But Iraq is "the wrong war, at the wrong place at the wrong time" isn't it Senator Treebeard?

Now lets go back to wringing our hands and presenting our facts to the Great East River Debating Society while genocide part 48 takes place in Darfur

were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death

OR BECAUSE THE EUROPEANS HAVE EARNED MONEY BY ALLOWING THIS MONSTER TO KILL HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ?

I am so grateful that my ancestors got out of that craven continent. Just when I think the Euroweenies can't get any lower they do. I hope they are all happy in their burkas

The European "concern" for human rights will earn them the enmity of the Iraqi people and the condemnation of every true humanist. Shame, shame, have they no shame?

The Europeans, he said, were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death.

This ain't your daddy's Europe.

Who says there is no such thins as evil????

The Europeans, he said, were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death.

Why am I not surprised? The EU is attempting to pass the most despicable behavior as opposition to the death penalty.

Geh... is threats at gunpoint the only way that the Europeans will stick their lengthy noses up to the leavings of the messes they help create? I seem to remember similar reluctance on the part of German civillians turned out to dig up other mass graves back in the day...

This pretty much drops the seriousness of any European commitments about Genocide down below the level of "New Year's Resolutions About Losing Weight..." because some people actually follow through with those resolutions.

How can a man point a gun at a woman's face with a baby in her hands?

Hey...it's about the oil.

/Sarcasm Off/

The Europeon's are staying away because they know their countries supplied the bullets.

Toddlers still clutching their toys? I am going to cry.

As a mother, I am absolutely shaken by the thought of fetal skeletons and the mother gripping her baby. The Arab regimes are really reincarnations of Nazis.

#12 Armytramp

Well, the nightmare is that FOR THE EUROPEANS IT WAS ABOUT THE OIL INDEED.
They allowed the monster to kill and maim just to have cheap oil.

Were it for them, these horrors would still be going on.

And on their "newspapers" they call "resistance" the terrorism against the Allies and against the new Iraq.

I hope that Bush can work this into tonights debate.

A mass grave in northern Iraq has been found to contain the remains of toddlers clutching toys.

Chirac: See what a great guy Saddam was? He let the children keep their toys.

#11 knotboy
How can a man point a gun at a woman's face with a baby in her hands?

The same kind of monster that can kill a pregnant woman at point blank range and then procede to kill her four young daughters ages 2-6, using so many bullets it was difficult to know how many children where in the car.
An Islamic monster is the answer

From Perelandra by C.S. Lewis:

'But this is very foolish,' said the Un-Man. 'Do you not know who I am?'

'I know what you are,' said Ransom. 'Which of them doesn't matter.'

'And you think, little one,' it answered, that you can fight with me? You think He will help you, perhaps? Many thought that. I've known Him longer than you, little one. They all think He's going to help them -- till they come to their senses screaming recantations too late in the middle of the fire, moldering in concentration camps, writhing under saws, jibbering in mad-houses, or nailed on to crosses. Could He help Himself?' -- and the creature suddenly threw back its head and cried in a voice so loud that it seemed the golden sky-roof must break, 'Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani.'

And the moment it had done so, Ransom felt certain that the sounds it had made were perfect Aramaic of the first century. The Un-Man was not quoting; it was remembering. These were the very words spoken from the Cross, treasured through all those years in the burning memory of the outcast creature which had heard them, and now brought forward in hideous parody; the horror made him momentarily sick.

Weston was consumed by the evil that he constantly denied existed. Pray that Europe does not suffer the same fate.

As the mom of five small children, I am horrified that anyone can defend Saddam.

It makes physically ill--babies and toddlers, shot. The evil is mindblowing, and what sickens me more is that people are turning a blind-eye to this...

I have friends, fellow moms with young kids, who are voting for Kerry. He represents that same blind-eye to me, that same worldview that allows itself to look away from the atrocities.

How can a mother that has carried life inside her can defend that worldview? I don't understand. I just don't...

You've just gotta love those Europeans, don't you?

Heaven forbid we actually put Saddam to death, just because he murdered thousands of his countrymen, including children! The death penalty is so Cruuuuuuuuuueeeeeeel!

(And remember that cardinal from the Vatican, bleating because Saddam looked so pathetic when he was dragged from his hidey hole? The brutal Americans actually took a DNA sample from him! The horror, the horror! Where was this sensitive cardinal when Iraqi kids were being murdered?)

I can see it now---Saddam's going to be rehabilitated, turned into the kindly old father/protector of the Iraqi people and champion of Islam---hell, he's considered that already, in many parts of the world! Mr. Pol, if you're reading this, it makes me think, not of saints, specifically, but of people such as Che Guevera, and Chairman Mao, and how they get so weirdly canonized by the press and popular culture. . .

#4 songster

When we used to play tag, the tree was home-base or "Free". If the treebeard is elected where you gonna' run to? None of us would be free.

Oh, I'm a huge Lewis fan, but the hat tip for this idea is from the Belmont Club.

Really scary, life imitating art.

I wonder how many of the 300,000 died during the period of time it took the UN to go from Resolution 1 to 17?

G-d help me, I'm starting to see the fountainhead of Bigel's bile.

Joel T.

"but they told us it was about Saddams WMD and the imminent threat they posed - so its not fair to know switch to this concern for the Iraqi people"

informed Kerry ( athletic ) supporter

It's probably guilt that is keeping the Europeans from getting involved; these so-called sophisticated people have committed genocide twice in the past sixty years or perhaps they don’t want to establish a precedent should Saddam suffer a death sentence. The odds are that these European racist bastards will be responsible for committing genocide for a third time within the next fifty years.

The actions of the Europeans over the past two years should remove all doubt from anyone's mind. The Europeans are only motivated by money. They will do anything in order to keep the cash flowing in. This is exaclty why the hate Bush so much. The willingness of the U.S. to sacrifice the blood of its youth in the name of defence and freedom makes the actions (or inaction) of the Europeans that much worse. Their greed and lack of morality is endless and does much to explain the major role genocide and ethnic cleansing has played in throughout European history.

A lot of the lefties think that Bush is a simpleton. But if they can't see that the crux of this is truly the battle between good vs. evil, then who are the simpletons?

#20 Techie

Perelandra is one of my all time favorite books! Thanks for quoting from it today! (I just finished re-reading it for the umpteenth time, a day or so ago.)

I wish C.S. Lewis were still here! We need that man. . .

#22 TalkinKamel

The death penalty is so Cruuuuuuuuuueeeeeeel!

OTOH, if I were Chirac I'd be opposed to the death penalty, too.

thepoguemahone #1

Now why would you insult a good Ent like TreeBeard with an association with the likes of Kerry? He's more like one of the higher level orcs than an Ent!

The Europeans...were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death.

This is curious. In order to preserve European predilections in justice, the Europeans will forego justice, not helping to establish the evidence because the evidence will convict and a conviction will mete justice.

The European solution to squaring their sensibilities with the Iraqi people's right to justice --- walk away.

These are the folks Mr. Kerry thinks are missing in the coalition mix.

DGB

A US investigator said bodies were bulldozed into the graves

--

Tiny bones, femurs - thighbones the size of a matchstick

Saddam took lessons from Hitler. This is so sad :-(

The Europeans, he said, were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death.

The Europeans, already on Saddam's payroll from UNSCAM, are going to follow him to the ends of the earth (and the criminal court docket), and refuse to investigate the mass graves?

Sheesh. These are the same people who complain that the US isn't doing enough in Sudan to stop the genocide (oh, can I call it that?), when Saddam killed 6 times as many at a minimum (Sudan genocide toll so far estimated at 50k, Saddam's killing fields filled with 300k souls at least). Regime change is precisely what the doctor ordered to stop the genocide in Iraq. And those who commit genocide await the death penalty - as per the Nuremberg precedent. Death penalty under the circumstances is neither cruel nor unusual - heck Saddam killed people regularly so he knows all about cruel and unusual. Putting people into plastic shredders is definitely cruel and ususual - and unique in the level of depravity.

Maybe the Europeans aren't willing to help because they didn't think of that plastic shredder idea first? /bitter sarcasm

#28 Kevin Shook

The funny thing is, they all gave credit to Saddam, including Russia... who, oddly enough, requires cash payments from the rest of the world...

The Europeans, he said, were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death.

That is dispicable. May they all burn in Hell.

And if anyone in their families is ever murdered, the prosecution should refuse to gather evidence, as it might be used to convict the murderer.

I really don't think it's possible for Europe to pull itself back from the edge of the cliff; they've already gone over.

WriterMom

I don't know who to be most angry at - the slimes who slaughtered the children or the euro-pee-ons who continue to turn a blind eye.

/sarc

Wait, I do know. Those poor, poor women and babies did nothing to deserve this.

Europe's turn is coming and they don't even know it.

God, my heart hurts.

The current state of Islam sucks. Give me America with all of it's faults, partisanship, freedoms over Islam any day. Better yet, let's give Islam a better future based upon individual freedoms and the rule of law, where dictators and Mullahs cannot resort to the murder of the people of the lands or of other nations. After all, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Give me liberty or give me death.

#30 TalkinKamel

Agreed. Lewis was a devastatingly clear thinker. We need more people like that today, though I think I have found several among the regulars here.

If Lewis was alive (He died within 12 hours of John F. Kennedy) I believe he would have a blog.

I have a two-year old daughter and I have trouble processing this imagery. Even though I am a supposedly heartless conservative programmer...

I'd like to force my LLL acquaintances who piously oppose the war because of "innocent victims" to confront this evil. There are worse things than war.

Mr Kehoe said that work to uncover graves around Iraq, where about 300,000 people are thought to have been killed during Saddam Hussein’s regime

Only 300,000? You must understand that by European standards that makes Saddam a lightweight... hardly cause for concern.

Vile, unspeakably vile. May God preserve us from ever devolving to that level. The people who would try to ignore this are beneath contempt.

#25 Myself

The victims are believed to be Kurds killed in 1987-88.

OK, so I stand corrected; they weren't slaughtered during the period between Gulf War I and II, when the UN played pat-a-cake with Saddam.

Not that makes it any easier to swallow, of course.

Joel T.

The Europeans, he said, were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death.

Does this mean I can make it go away if I don't look?

/ native of the ostrich European culture

#42 hiroshi

Perhaps in the "nuisance" category?

The Europeans, he said, were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death.

forever condemning Europe and locking any chance of redemption this collection of unredeemable, amoral, collectivist deathcultists has, or will ever have, in the minds of analytical people everywhere.

Charles, I humbly suggest you immortalize this meme (skeleton of the story) in the Tilly section.

Really unbelievable.

Mr Pol #31

Umm, I think you're quite correct.

Did you watch the video? Caroline Hawley said " the Americans were criticized for not protecting the sites as evidence" I think our troops have been pretty busy fighting a war. The US can't get a break with BBC.

"The Europeans, he said, were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death."

And these degenerates represent this as a moral position? The suppression of evidence to prevent punishment is an axiomatic definition of criminality.

Secondly, where was this moral paradigm when the Euro-filth presstitutes splashed the Abu Ghraib images all over every front page on their pig-sty of a continent? They surely realized that this would incite far worse atrocities than the hanging of a richly deserving dictator.
Europe is doomed, the sooner the better.

Actually I think of Kerry as Treebeard if he decided not to join the battle against evil in TLOTR

And of course - "it takes a long time to say anything in ooold democratic"

As a father of toddlers, I am speechless. All I can do is pray for their souls.

What happened to these poor women and children is beyond belief.

It also sad what has become of the EUrabians. They're like lemmings, jumping off the cliff, into a future of dhimmitude. They've gone totally adrift from what little moral capacity they once had.

I think that a bunch of carefully selected Euroleaders be kidnapped and taken to Iraq and forced to look at the fetal bones and toys. Then, they should have to look the survivors in the face and dine with them, and sleep in their homes.

Please, don't hold my government against me (European).

#47 annelid

The mothers were probably holding the children who were holding the toys and so the bulldozers probably pushed both bodies as a unit into the pit. Also, if it took more than a short amount of time to finish shooting all of the victims before the bulldozing started, rigor mortis would explain it.

Are you asking or disputing?

But BUSH is the REAL TERRORIST! Shame on you, Mr. Bush! Shame! (wipes foam from mouth, takes bite of turkey leg) Shame!

I thought all these kids were happily flying kites before the U.S. invaded. Whom to believe?

You know why the left is pissed? 'Cause Evil Bush is actually doing all they've been claiming to care about and believe for so long.

#41 Thinkingmom

There are worse things than war.

This is anathema for the Left and the Euros. Truth, integrity, moral order, all these are dispensable in the avoidance of war. To be intimidated, exploited, enslaved, what are these things compared to no war?

What are the horrors of this grave compared to no war?

There are worse things than war.

Amen.

DGB

Please remember, all of Saddam's victims don't matter worth a squat unless we find WMD.

/L³

But these mass graves are our responsibility - because we were allied with Saddam in 1987-88

Hugh Jass - informed Kerry ( athletic ) supporter

Barbara Skolaut #37

I really don't think it's possible for Europe to pull itself back from the edge of the cliff; they've already gone over.

I am just sick after reading this, filled with an overwhelming sadness. What bright future has been stolen for Iraq because of this killing field?

It must be true. Barcepundit this morning had a similar link to the discivery - in Al-Jazeera of all places.

[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

I think the Europeans have surrendered any claim to moral superiority - this is just another nail in the coffin.

This article and others underestimate
the number killed by Hussain. Accounts vary but one authoritative report coming out of Iraq stated that there were 282 mass graves found so far containing over 400,000 bodies. Here is the clincher -- only 20% of the mass graves
discovered have even been investigated!
If these statistics are accurate, it may be found that Hussain was one of the greatest mass murders of all time.

The irony is that everytime they go looking for WMDs they come up with mass graves instead. Then the
MSM says, "See we told you so -- no WMDs -- no jutification for taking out Hussain."

Europe is indeed doomed. With all of their preening and posing against the U.S. and Israel, this takes their "see-no-evil" wilfull ignorance and moral bankruptcy to a new low. I urge all Euro-LGFers to get to work on an exit strategy, as Eurabia is just around the corner. The continent is soaked in Jewish blood, anyway.

As for who could shoot little children in cold blood, to paraphrase Al Capone, "only Nazis and Islam can kill like that."

I saw a video in which American feminist decried the invasion of Iraq. I believe the specific quote was "As long as Saddam provides health care and schools and welfare for the poor I can live with him as a dictator". Sadly, this is probably the opinion of sizeable percentage of the western world.

But your are misguided to think that Saddam was alone. Cambodia's killing fields yielded *>1million

Michael Moore should be brought there and compelled to work, dig, and help the families to bury their Beloved Ones.

Techie, yes! I have been thinking of That Hideous Strength more and more as these days deepen...

OK, I got the wrong one of the series. Still think THS is most appropo.

May that man and those who are apologizing to him die a thousand deaths. All that he perpetuated. Then, may his body be ground into dust and thrown to the four winds. So his grave cannot become a shrine to the misinformed and the depraved.

That is heartbreaking. So many innocent lives just so one man can stay in power.

Saddam just had a successful hernia operation.

Just in time for his execution.

Perhaps the difference between Hussain and other mass murderers like Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin is that the Iraq dictator acted essentially alone, no so much a matter of government policy, but as personal vendetta.

This is despicable indeed.

One thing is being against the death penalty.
I basically am, although in the case of Saddam Hussein, I think it is the best solution. Execute him, and be done.

But refusing to gather evidence because it will probably lead to a death sentence is deeply dishinest, and a sign of moral weakness.

However, don't be so quick in attaching labels on Europe as a whole. The tranzi elite here is much stronger than in the USA, and the people do not have so much power to influence government decisions.

Dear God. Mothers and their toddlers. Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.

As far as Europe is concerned, obviously the best of Europe left for the U.S.; the dregs stayed and reproduced more of their kind.

Europe is doomed.

#67 Poitiers-Lepanto: That's a grand idea. While we're at it, we should get Babs, Kerry, Edwards, and Alec Baldwin to join in. After all, Babs and Baldwin didn't think we should be in Iraq - it was about the oil after all, and Edwards and Kerry have never been to Iraq.

BTW, an idea for the Bush Administration would be to get some high ranking official (Sec. Def., Sec. State, or even POTUS himself) to visit one of these mass graves sites and reaffirm the US committment to protecting the defenseless and standing against genocide going forward.

I am against killing Saddam.

I think we should torture him forever. I mean, make the man beg for death, spit in his face, and torture him all over again.

I think he should be stripped naked, brought to the center of Baghdad, and have him anally violated by a mule on TV broadcast through the world. Him, and his cronies.

I doubt you'd get much resistance after that. When the U.N. objects, we simply pull out and say "Okay, you're on your own. Goodbye. Clear out in 30 days."

I know it's disgusting but then again...so what? Is it any more disgusting than what he's already done?

No, no I say...use the mule repeatedly for months on end. It would also have the added effect of mentally scarring the entire Muslim and Arab world forever...which I approve of. I don't see anything wrong with this at all since that is what they are trying to do to us. I'm all for multiculturalism - let's give them a dose of their own culture in return and we can all be happy, prosperous, engaging, and celebrate our mutual similarities together.

Time to break out the mule.

#76 Banagor

I think he should be stripped naked, brought to the center of Baghdad, and have him anally violated by a mule on TV broadcast through the world. Him, and his cronies.

Now, that's something I'd pay for :-)

I feel bad for that mule.

John F. Kerry's Six Point Plan for Iraq:

1) Formally ask the U.N. to take over and the French and Germans to send troops and money.

2) When the U.N., France and Germany say no, declare Iraq to be an unwinnable situation and announce an immediate U.S. troop withdrawal.

3) Let Iraq deteriorate into civil war and become the terrorist capital of the world and blame it all on the Bush Administration.

4) Declare that Saddam Hussein was illegally deposed and order him reinstated as Iraq's rightful President.

5) Issue a formal apology to the world and use the remainder of the $87 billion to compensate the U.N., France, Germany, Russia, China and Saddam for lost revenue from the disruption of the Oil For Food Program and order it immediately reinstated.

6) Remove all sanctions against Iraq and offer Saddam's new government nuclear fuel and technology as a goodwill gesture.

#76

Got a boner, elaborating that fantasy?

Saddam should be executed by firing squad or hanging, old-fashioned, and on live TV.

Then his body burnt to ashes and the ashes scattered in the desert, so no sickos will be able to venerate his tomb.

#77 Mr Pol

Yeah, me too. I think the government should also put it on DVD and sell it. What the hell...I'd buy a copy and play it at parties for light entertainment.

No but I'm serious: time to make some serious waves. Fuck the Geneva Convention. Saddam is a war criminal. He's also an asshole. What the hell is with the EU? They have their heads stuck so far up their own asses that they can't even see the world as it is anymore. I say: Fuck them.

Break out the mule.

#78 shatterglass
I also believe in safe sex. We can give the mule a condom - with barbs all along the outside. We wouldn't want the mule to get contaminated, after all.

'The Europeans, he said, were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death.'

They also stayed away so Saddam could put these women and children to death and wanted us to stay away so he could keep on doing it. These, of course, are the ones POS Kerry is so worried about impressing.

Please send the following Kerry/Edwards Iraq quotes to your friends and relatives:

freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html
 

#80 FabioC

I actually didn't come up with that idea. :)

In 1996, I ran a webzine and was calling for the death of Saddam even back then. In fact, most of my writing was centered around that. One of the people who read it decided to write an article of his own and came up with the idea.

Everyone loved it so much. I loved it too. It's a great idea. I honestly don't see anything wrong with it. I bet if you asked some of our boys in Baghdad what to do with Saddam, they'd come up with even worse things.

Maybe we should hold a contest.

I'm all for innovation. Let's do that. But until we do, I say we break out the mule.

(although I'm not against replacing it with a camel for cultural reasons. A pig might be even better.)

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#80

I've got a better fantasy. When Zarqawi is captured, let's form a coalition of the family members of his victims and give each have a turn in decapitating him. Give Al Jazeera exclusive broadcast rights in the Middle East. I'm all for multilateral solutions.

Kerry is right about one thing. This was the "Wrong Time" for this war. It should've been done during the previous administration!

O'Reilly Sues Producer for Alleged Extortion

"Saddam was a nuisance and deserved to be punished at least until the next day when our forgiveness should have kicked in automatically, you know, UN style."

#78 Shatterglass

I think the mule would definitely refuse to do such a dirty things. Open minded OK, but there is a limit...

/Mules Liberation Front

Oh God, I think I just quoted John Kerry. I need a doctor -- or John Edwards telling me I will soon be able to think or walk or whatever if I just vote for Kerry. See, there it goes again. What's wrong with me. I don't want to be a gullible loser!

"The Europeans, he said, were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death."

Three monkees -- see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil -- Germany, France, Russia. And yet all so thoroughly evil!

Perhaps the Poles or the Czechs will lead New Europe. Old Europe is throughly corrupt.

But wait, this has been about oil, not evil, so never mind.

Burning Saddam at the stake would be quite enough.

Really.

And, of course, our own Supreme Court (having already vitiated free speech with the McCain legislation), now wants to look to EUROPE for moral inspiration--

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

WASHINGTON - A deeply divided Supreme Court wrestled Wednesday over allowing states to execute teenage killers, with several justices raising concerns that the United States is out of step with the rest of the world. . .

Justice John Paul Stevens asked if the court should ignore that America's global respect was on the line in the case. . .

The Supreme Court has looked increasingly at international opinion, and its four most liberal members have gone on record against a practice they said was "a relic of the past and is inconsistent with evolving standards of decency in a civilized society."

(Read the rest of it and then shed a tear for our self-rule and our Constitution. . .)

#86 wiseoldfool

I agree. Give them a bamboo saw to make it last a long, long, time. Just like in the end of Shogun.

Frankly, these people don't fear death, or so they say. So why give it to them so quickly? What's the point other than just to satisfy our own superior sense of morality?

No, for what these people have done to the world, for the filth they enact every single day, I think that death is far too quick and merciful. We don't give them anything which they actually fear, and that means we can't win the war. To win a war, you either have to wipe out the enemy entirely - which I am unwilling to do - or you have to make them capitulate. But how do you make somebody capitulate if they don't fear you more than you fear them?

No, I say. No. Let's give them some of their own medieval medicine. Crow cages, oubliettes, flogging, stocks...we might as well bring it back since that is the only thing which seems to make them understand who is in charge.

Saddam wants to die because he knows that it will enshrine him forever in their pathetic legends about valiant Muslim warriors who stood up to the West. I don't think we should let him die so easily. I'm all for killing him - in the end. But I'm not for giving him everything he wants. And then we should bury him in a pigskin, face down, in a cesspit. We should do this to all the god damned terrorists out there to make a point: no virgins for you.

And before anyone says that Saddam isn't a religious fundamentalist: point taken. He isn't. But that doesn't mean that we can't use him to make our own point as well. I'm sick to death of these sensibilities we have to mollify in fighting a war against very evil things. They're not people, they are things. And after we win, we can start to reeducate the Muslim world.

#93

Oh burning at the stake is pretty good too.

Hanging him, however, is just too damned fast. It's time to get medieval on his ass.

Actually, I think that we should get all the women that his sons raped and let them work out a suitable execution for him. Why not? That's Arab culture...might as well indulge it.

I'm pretty sure that some of the women who were raped and tortured would have a lot more gruesome ideas than that. You think that they should be left out in the cold? I think we should give them what they want. If people were so shocked at the idea proposed, let's find out what they think, shall we? I'm absolutely serious.

And why would a European want to take a stark look down into the "box" Saddam was so effectively being contained in?

The Europeans, he said, were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death.

The youngest foetus we have was 18 to 20 foetal weeks," said US investigating anthropologist P Willey.

Unf***ing believable. These Euro "scientists" want to cover their ears and eyes and sing "LA LA LA LA LA I SEE NOTHING", because they do not want to believe that this war might have been the right thing to do.

They do not want to see what they were so strongly against toppling. They do not want to see what existed there for all those years, and what would have remained happening to the men, women, and children that stood in the way of Saddam.

Take a good look idiots.....this is what your leaders there in europe let happen to get the spoils of Saddams oil money (OFF). Hang your heads in shame you rat bastards....

Banagor #84

break out the mule.

Charles should put that one up on his rotating labels.

This just in...

The Ents have requested the immediate cessation of the use of "Treebeard" when describing Sen. JOhn KERry. "It is highly offensive," stated Treebeard, the leader of the Ents, "afterall it's clear that we Ents stand for what is moral and just. Equating a waffling, moronic opportunist with us shepards of the forest, well is laughable." Sen. JOhn KERry was unavailable for comment and a KERry spokesman denied any connection between the Senator and Herman Munster.

Europe has recent history of mass murders. I wonder how many are still wearing a murdered mans watch.

Remember

[Link: www.arlindo-correia.com...]

The perpetrators faced both logistical and emotional challenges. The Einsatzgruppen needed procedures that would allow the efficient killing of enormous numbers of Jews. At Rumbula, near Riga, where 13,000 people were killed in one day or, as Rhodes calculates, nine people every minute, packers were stationed in the killing pits to position the victims to lie down, head to toe, on top of the bodies of those who had been killed before them. The Germans, who called this method Sardinenpackung (sardine packing), liked it because the bodies occupied less space and could easily be covered up and buried. Some perpetrators found the killing difficult and stressful. Others seemed to be enjoying it too much. Himmler, concerned for the welfare of his men, sought a different method of killing. Gas chambers eliminated the need for the killers to watch victims die. No one person pulled the trigger, and thus the killings were depersonalized.

#80 Fabio C

They should bury Saddam alive in a casket......and have a pipe that circulates in fresh air so that he stays alive for a while. Devise a system to give him some food and water too....that he way he stays alive for a good while....all he has down there is his thoughts....it will drive him mad before we finally let him die a year later by cutting off the air supply.....

Maybe this seems like a horrible fate to me because I am so clostraphobic....

Saddam should be told that one night while he is sleeping someone will come to kill him. Then wait.......

Actually for a guy like Saddam. Life in a small cell with minimal contact and news of the outside world is enough. A super egoist like him needs to be in the center of things. Irrelevance is worse than death.

The Europeans, he said, were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death.

Doesn't this set a precident? Will Euro law enforcement now refuse to investigate crime in general because it might infringe on the criminal's human rights?

A lovely system that most of Europe has where the Judges are also the investigators AND prosecutors.

#96 Banagor

Burning at the stake? Why burning? Plant him on a bamboo cut to the right length. A well-irrigated bamboo will grow 6" a day.

So when Americans and Israelis are killed, we need to "ask ourselves why they hate us", when blacks in Sudan, Iraqi people under Saddam, and people living under Islamic or communist dictatorships are killed, no one cares. But when a dictator and mass murderer who supported terrorists is captured, we need to be nice?

#102 piglet

You are quite right. Europe is a Jewish graveyard, blood soaking the ground-ashes scattered and ghosts abound. Why should they care more particularly about this mass grave?

Feh.

#15 - WriterMom

They ARE Nazis... literally.

Take a look at this article from FrontPage.

Here is another Iraqi body tally the Euros and pseudo-peaceniks will be averting their gaze from:

Maximum Iraqi civilian deaths in Operation Iraqi Freedom, per IraqBodyCount : 15,292

Iraqi and other Arab deaths averted by interrupting Saddam’s rate of killing, per NoBody Count : 39,744

Also of note is that the latter number would always be growing, given Saddam's sons' likely career path. And growing commensurate with the increased killing yield of WMDs + terrorists.

Yes, this whole mass grave of dead (so called) 'children' is awful, but let's remember that the person we should be concerned for is that nice old bearded gentleman Saddam Hussein, currently being held against his will by the evil nazi oppressors and their despicable quisling running dogs.

/(ashamed-to-be)european

#109 Keelie

You betcha. Great article. Loftus is great.

I can't even read all of the comments. I have 3 kids, 5 and under, and my mind just shies away from contemplating this news.

thinkingmom (#41) was absolutely right - there are worse things than war. Why is it that some people can't understand that?

I was in a discussion with a woman at work who is normally very mild mannered and well spoken. As soon as talk turned to Iraq, her mind shut off and she began spouting Looney Left slogans at me. For her, it's all black and white. War is EVIL. I don't understand how it can be more evil than killing toddlers. I guess I'm just stupid.

#112 - WriterMom

Glad to help.

I sent a copy to the nice folks at the "Democrat Jewish" site - the one responsible for that cartoon.

The Europeans, he said, were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death.

What a perfect encapsulation of contemporary European idiocy. By the same logic, shouldn't they be clamoring to free Saddam? After all, anything is better than a democracy imposing the death penalty on a mass-murderer, following the fair trial that his 300,000+ victims never received. Right, euroweenies?

I recall the words spoken to Shackleton after he struggled his way to the whaling station on South Georgia Island in 1916: "Europe is mad. The world is mad."

#113

Welcome to my work world, too.

My mom-a social worker suggested that you treat these people as though they are mentally ill. You will never be able to change their minds, or explain things to them. She said-it's like trying to convince a vegan to have a steak dinner with you. They are really awful. I asked if she thought that wasn't agreeing by virtue of being silent. She thinks that it's just wasting your breath. This came up when I was asked for the 900th time if I'd seen Stupidity 9/11.

Of what worth is a genocide inspector who does not even understand the distinction between a civilian legal system and a war crime tribunal?

There is a precedent to this. There was a Nazi leader who became a prisoner of the West before the Holocaust, in 1941 when he parachuted to Britain for negotiations while the British army in Iraq still battled against the pro-Nazi coup in Baghdad. Later in the Nuremburg tribunals he got a life sentence instead of the death penalty. His death in 1987 is surrounded by conspiracy theories and an annual ocasion for the largest Nazi rallies of the year.

Veeeery EEEEnteresting Leo.

More interesting information on the last inmate of Spandau Prison, (which was raised after his death to prevent IT from becoming a shrine).

Neo-Nazi's Sheesh, you'd think these people would go to professional truck drivers school and earn a respectable living.

#118 Havoc - There is a whole postmodernist school of "accepting social work" based on the assumption that poverty was the root cause of Nazism, but even though they run parts of the protests against the welfare cuts most of the politically organized Nazis earn a respectable living. Maybe you also have heard that terrorism fuels from poverty. It's rather that being poor means being unable to defend yourself against anyone campaigning in your name.

Read about the Nazis and Iraq here.

If we only had WWII to do over, knowing then what Europe would become, I hope the US would have told them to GO TO HELL!

No WMD's here, just murdered babies.

Way back #55....I will try not to judge all Europeans by their governments. I used to pray the world would not judge all Americans based on Bill Clinton.

#22 Talkin Camel

Where was this sensitive cardinal when Iraqi kids were being murdered?

Probably in a hidden room in the Vatican channeling Hitler's Pope that ignored the Nazi atrocities.....

I haven't seen Fahrenheit 911, otherwise I'm sure I'd already know about all this mass grave stuff, right? Surely, in his search for the truth, Michael Moore fully documented Saddam's crimes against humanity. Right?

*cricket sounds*

#113 Canadian Conservative

War is EVIL. I don't understand how it can be more evil than killing toddlers. I guess I'm just stupid.

Yeah, I guess war is always bad, bad, bad......Sure, you might get the occasional mass grave, but who are we to judge Saddam? Let's all just have a good time. If you ignore Evil, it goes awaaaaay!!!!!!!

/sarcasm off

In the talk leading up to the Iraq War, I always thought the LLL's who saw the issue as "War Always Bad" should be called "Pro-Mass Graves" instead of "Anti-War".

Or how about "Pro Terrorists" or "Pro Continued WMD Development by Madman Supporters".....Or "Anti-Iraqi Innocent Men,Women & Children"......

These mass graves don't pass the global test since the Europeans are opposed to the death penalty. Just fill the grave sites in.

Clearly this is the work of the Bush Administration! And I want to know why they feel like they should create those mass graves! To divert attention away from the war? To divert attention away from the oil interests that Bush so clearly has staked in the winning of this pitched battle? And how is it that Charles is the only person that seems to be trustworthy when it comes to the news? Is HE too a pawn of the Bush/Hitler regime?

Some atrocities are too horrible to even contemplate, yet we must. The entire mind set of this "religion" is cultist and sub-human. We cannot sit these Islamo/fascists down in a classroom and teach them morality and the value of each and every human life, because they are not human in any capacity that we understand. They must be dealt with, before they destroy us and OUR toddlers!

The typical anti-Bushite excuses this kind of attrocity by saying that these numbers are exaggerated and that they were Kurds after all. So I guess if our military shot 300,000 protesters in the nation's capitol, that would be O.K.? They deserved it, they had a differing opinion than the leader. These LLL are absolute numbnuts!

Clearly this is the work of a madman that some suckasses would rather have in power. If Jean Kerre' is elected . . . er . . . litigates his way into office with help from his liberal media ass-pirate buddies, I'm sure Saddam will be re-instated in time for all our heads to be sawed off on or before the 4th of July!

I know . . .I know . . . we deserved 9/11. It's our fault that radical Muslims hate Israel. I know. I agree! America was there thousands of years ago when this started. It's our fault. I agree with you!

I think I've heard claims in the media that the news about this was released by team Bush to coincide with the latest debate.

Here we go: from Australia's ABC radio "The world today"

HAMISH ROBERTSON: Well, is there a link between the US presidential election campaign and the timing of a media visit to the site of a mass grave in Iraq's north overnight?

The grave containing the bodies of up to 3,000 Kurds was actually discovered two months ago, but pictures of the grave have only just been circulated.

And then this trope:

At the time, both Britain and the United States maintained close relations with Saddam's regime.

I am stunned. I can't believe all this spin and politics.

People are murdered and tossed into a mass-graves.

It's the lowest of low, it's pure evil, it's THE BAD right in front of our eyes.

I can't believe the world has come to a point when even clearcut appaling evil is spinned into nothing. Seems all values are turned upside down, Bush is a nazi, americans are liberating countries from dictatorships and creating democracies around the world, but they are hated everywhere more than ever before.

Entire continents are apologizing terrorism and it's source of evil, Islam.

Stunned.