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BBC: Terrorism is a Myth

Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 3:41:47 pm PDT

The BBC is scheduled to air a three-part documentary arguing that Al Qaeda doesn’t exist, terrorism isn’t a threat, and dirty bombs aren’t that bad really: The making of the terror myth. (Thanks to all who emailed.)

During the three years in which the “war on terror” has been waged, high-profile challenges to its assumptions have been rare. The sheer number of incidents and warnings connected or attributed to the war has left little room, it seems, for heretical thoughts. In this context, the central theme of The Power of Nightmares is riskily counter-intuitive and provocative. Much of the currently perceived threat from international terrorism, the series argues, “is a fantasy that has been exaggerated and distorted by politicians. It is a dark illusion that has spread unquestioned through governments around the world, the security services, and the international media.” The series’ explanation for this is even bolder: “In an age when all the grand ideas have lost credibility, fear of a phantom enemy is all the politicians have left to maintain their power.”

Adam Curtis, who wrote and produced the series, acknowledges the difficulty of saying such things now. “If a bomb goes off, the fear I have is that everyone will say, ‘You’re completely wrong,’ even if the incident doesn’t touch my argument. This shows the way we have all become trapped, the way even I have become trapped by a fear that is completely irrational.”

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1 zombie  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:44:07pm

BBC = Bush-Bashing Conspiracy

2 Chrees  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:44:44pm

Ah. Well, at least he got the irrational part right.

3 Robert Crawford  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:45:11pm

We're re-living the 1930s all over again.

4 Buckaroo  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:45:18pm

Hey, it's a Kerry campaign ad! too bad it's in Britain!
:-)

Maybe this explains Op. clark County ...
:-)

5 godfrey  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:45:45pm

This kind of ignorance is invincible.

6 Brass Tacks  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:45:57pm

That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

7 kiDDD  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:46:46pm

I cannot believe this, the reason the dragon has not revealed it ugly head it because WE are on the offensive and cutting down the life lines. Al-qaeda a myth? So the guys claiming to be Al-qaeda are all make believe to. The author is going to claim it's a myth but then be scared of it? Makes no sense...Michael Moore next of kin?

8 Final Historian  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:47:57pm

Turheeeza releases her tax returns, via Drudge:

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

9 Stonewall  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:48:40pm

In the words of Hooper from the movie Jaws.

They are going to keep ignoring this thing until it comes up and bites them on the ass!

Their day is coming!

10 Hawkface  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:49:12pm

He and Michael Moore sure have it figured out. Remember, there is no terrorist threat, AlQaida does not exist, and Bill Clinton did not have sex with that woman.

11 kathyn  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:49:18pm

My fear is all too rational. I fear for our country if sKerry is elected! Because that will really bring the terrorists out of the woodwork.

12 foreign devil  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:49:36pm

“...If a bomb goes off, the fear I have is that everyone will say, ‘You’re completely wrong,’ even if the incident doesn’t touch my argument."...."

This guy should just get over himself; if a bomb goes off the last thing anyone will think of is whether he is wrong or not--they'll be far too busy rescuing the victims. Baaaaaah!

These people are the center of their universer (and yours). Morons!

13 zombie  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:50:05pm

It's really interesting to watch:
On on hand, the LLLs and the jihadis are co-operating to overthrow Western civilization;
and on the other hand they are working at exact counter-purposes to each other. The Muslims want us to be be filled with fear and terror at their violence and their threats of violence, while the LLL media does everything it can to downplay and deny there is anything to be afraid of.

It's another kind of "soft racism" on the part of the Socialists, as usual. In effect they are saying: "OK, Islam, we're on the same team here; but you don't have the right strategy, so let us take over and show you how to undermine the West." The Muslims will have none of it, and they disprove the LLL MSM's "there is no terrorist threat" position as often as they can, with an endless series of terrorist atrocities.

Like two wolverines in a sack.

14 Luigi  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:50:39pm

I'll put our own homegrown American perversity up against anything the Europeans can dish out. Take this article that opinionjournal found today:

Rapper: Blacks 'cheered when 9-11 happened'

"I say that proudly," the Boogie Down Productions founder went on, insisting that, before the attack, security guards kept Blacks out of the World Trade Center "because of the way we talk and dress.


"So when the planes hit the building, we were like, 'Mmmm - justice.' "


Hot damn! If we don't have the best damn perverts in the world!

15 The Real Travis  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:51:15pm

I'm loath to say this, but please let the BBC offices be the next al-Qaeda target.

16 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:51:37pm

Is "provocative" synonymous with a "ignorant blind POS" nowadays?

17 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:51:47pm

If there is no terrorism, I guess I'm out of a job. Oh wait, no I'm not I have a ton of job offers. Does that mean I'm part of the conspiracy to keep W in power?

18 superhawk  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:51:48pm

(Superhawk sighs deeply and shrugs his shoulders)...and I thought OUR moonbats were loons.

19 whiterasta  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:51:59pm

Toady of the Bush Bashing Corporation.

I'd like to see him get on an Isreali bus.

It is 1933 all over again. The elites are appeasing and living on a river in Egypt.

I wonder if terrorism would still be a myth to this elitist toad, when some nice Jewish Doctor is pulling rat poison coated roofing nails out of his miserable ass.

G-d , I hate the BBC. And the CBC too.

20 Snake Plissken  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:52:30pm

Will they be saying terrorism is bullshit when LONDON BRIDGE IS FALLING DOWN?

F'ing Idiots.

21 TalkinKamel  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:53:31pm

Even though these guys can't vote here, they'll do anything to see Kerry in the White House, won't they?

/I wonder if the Saudis are funding this?

22 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:53:42pm

#14 Luigi

pssstt.......look down about 2 or 3 threads ;-)

23 eeevil conservative  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:53:47pm

Has this guy been living in a cave?

Has he been eating little white raisins out of a Bloody Theresa?

Has he.... I mean... I .... I.......
OY!

Speechless.......

It is irrartional to fear "a bomb" or another 9-11, or your loved ones being beheaded. But to say there is no terrorism IS rational??

I.......

I........

I need a drink.

24 [Engineer]  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:53:55pm

He is right about the effects of a "dirty bomb." This is what happens when threats are blown up. He can say "well, they lied about a "dirty bomb,"they must have lied about all the rest."

25 Buckaroo  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:54:35pm

# 15 T R T

Nah -- ya never blow up your P.R. office this early in the game ..
:-(

26 Blue Falcon  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:55:52pm

If terrorism is a myth, I guess that makes terrorists mythological creatures that only exist in fairy tales. So I guess that the BBC reporter, who was gunned down in Saudi Arabia in broad daylight while screaming for help from apathetic crowds, must have not really have ever existed outside of someone's imagination.

27 Final Historian  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:56:01pm

OT: A good post at Powerline explaining why Bush is winning.

28 Buckaroo  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:57:17pm

# 17 reag


Is one of those offers from --


Halliburton?

{jarring chord, w/ thunder}

29 Buckaroo  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:58:02pm

# 26 B F

Dude! That is so, deeeeeeep!


/takes another hit from bong


:-)

30 DANEgerus  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:58:08pm

Funny how the terrorist's ritualistic beheading of an innocent inconveniences a BBC broadcast claiming terrorism is a myth.

31 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:59:20pm

#28 Buckaroo

Halliburton?

Well, kind of, a sub-contractor of them.

I'll be a mercenary!

32 Beagle  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 1:59:46pm

I honestly cannot believe anyone could be this stupid:

The Power of Nightmares seeks to overturn much of what is widely believed about Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida. The latter, it argues, is not an organised international network. It does not have members or a leader. It does not have "sleeper cells". It does not have an overall strategy. In fact, it barely exists at all, except as an idea about cleansing a corrupt world through religious violence.


Yeah, and that never causes any problems in the real world. It's hard to find more than, say, a million examples of such a thing causing mass casualties.

/Stupid UK Twit

33 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:01:34pm

"...the incident doesn't touch my argument."

No incident would touch his "argument." It's not an "argument," it's an article of faith--Leftist faith, that is.

It does seem that the idea many people have posited--that Leftism is a religion more than a political position--has some merit. It has the same brainwashing effect as any other fanaticism.

34 kathyn  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:02:55pm

Ah, that BBC. Nothing they enjoy more than political satire. /sarc off

35 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:03:57pm

#33 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

It does seem that the idea many people have posited--that Leftism is a religion more than a political position--has some merit.

My sister has an Ivy League Law degree, she was in WTC when it was hit. She has BDS. She admires Dhimmi Carter. I fear that you are correct.

36 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:04:27pm

*WTC 2*

37 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:05:00pm

These people must be channeling the late Jacques Derrida.

38 foreign devil  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:05:10pm

#20 Snake Plissken:

..b-b-b-but according to Jerry Jeff Walker:

"London Bridge has fallen down
And moved to Arizona...."

39 kathyn  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:05:25pm

reaganite, you have my sincere apologies. My family is pretty much split in half. BDS has taken its toll.

40 Dawg  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:06:03pm

It looks like the BBC is playing by the one of the rules in the Nazi Handbook:

If you are going to Lie, Lie big!

41 Yehudit  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:06:08pm

Meanwhile, we are finally kicking ass in Fallujah.
I know it wasn't planned that way, but if this functions as an October surprise, good.

42 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:06:20pm

Newbie that I am que es BDS? I see it all the time but alas, it is not in the FAQ. I am glad to be here!

43 cdbdbcme  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:06:21pm

#20
We'll be crying because the "London Bridge" is now in Arizona

44 Padre  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:06:58pm

I hate to think and say it but I think and say the UK is next in line for an attack. Writings like this article only put them in more peril.

45 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:07:23pm

#39 kathyn
Of my siblings, I am the only one voting for W.

46 Atlas Wannabe  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:07:58pm

In the follow-up production, The making of The making of the Terror Myth, the lobotomies of the producer and director will be explored...

47 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:08:18pm

#42 Crimsonfisted
BDS=Bush Derangement Syndrome.

48 Darleen  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:08:52pm

Good God!

Well, now we know which "foreign leaders" have been feeding Kerry so he came up with the "terrorism is a nuisance" line...

49 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:08:54pm

I'm so angry I can't post on this. Those of you who know me can imagine my response.

I'll post later, but right now, anything I said might be used against me in a court of law.

50 tgibbs  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:09:06pm

I think that we do tend to overreact to the threat of terrorism. Even the WTC casualties pale next to the losses on our highways. Short of a nuclear device, it is hard to imagine anything that terrorists could do that would appreciably affect the overall risk to the average citizen.

Terrorism is primarily an attack on our emotions, and is designed to have an impact that is disproportionate to the number of casualties. A "dirty bomb" might well not kill anybody, but the economic costs and disruption would be enormous, as well as the damage--however unjustified--to people's sense of security.

Outrage is a perfectly appropriate response to intentional attacks on civilians, as is retaliation. But we need do to keep a sense of perspective. In particular, we must not allow ourselves to be terrorized into doing more damage to ourselves and our society than the terrorists are capable of doing.

51 Gargamel  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:09:10pm

Don't worry about terrorism. Worry that Lord Voldamant is BACK! Only Harry Potter can save us now.

52 Atlas Wannabe  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:09:27pm

BDS is
Bush Derangement Syndrome

a condition in which one's hatred for Bush the person causes a complete lack of rationality

53 ajackson  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:10:40pm

Are they going to explain to the victims of:

1) The first Twin Towers attack in '93
2) The Khobar Towers bombing
3) Tthe USS Cole attack.
4) The bombing of the two US embassies in Africa
5) The attack on the Pentagon
6) The attack on the Twin Towers
7) The hijacking and crash of Flight '93 in Pennsylvania
8) The anthrax attacks in late 2001

that they are not really dead. Are they going to convince their parents, their children, friends, fellow citizens that it all never really happened!

I used to respect the BBC. I used to enjoy watching their programs. I used to listen to them on SW radio when I traveled. Butnow, they have truly lost their moral compass. I would be ashamed to be associated with them. Were I a Brit, I would be ashamed to have my tax dollars support them.

54 SoCalJustice  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:11:48pm
BBC: Terrorism is a Myth

Unless it's State terrorism committed by the U.S.A. or Israel, right Beeb?

55 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:12:07pm

thanks all for the explanation. That explains family members behaviors! Now I can name it.

56 cdbdbcme  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:12:22pm

#53 ajackson

Those all happened to us and not England. They won't believe it until it happens to them and then, maybe not.

57 Atlas Wannabe  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:12:51pm

tgibbs:

Are you saying traffic fatalities should be a bigger concern than terrorism up until the time that the fatality rate from terrorism is larger than for traffic accidents?

58 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:12:59pm

#50 tgibbs

I think that we do tend to overreact to the threat of terrorism.

Are you joking?

Even the WTC casualties pale next to the losses on our highways.

Are you really comparing deliberate mass murder to accidental deaths?

But we need do to keep a sense of perspective.

You've lost yours.

Think of it this way. If the terrorists had hit lower on the buildings at the same time the dead wouldn't be 3000, it would be 30,000-50,000. We're over reacting?

59 voletti  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:13:28pm

Someone enlighten me...just what is BDS?

60 cdbdbcme  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:13:51pm

#59 read #52

61 Darleen  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:13:52pm

#53 ajackson

Pshaw...those are just random acts of nuisance! Did they hurt you personally? Naw, so stop being such a poof, such a ninny. Life is skittles and beer! We have nothing to fear, and Kerry will bring us Peace in Our Time!

62 TMF  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:14:23pm
the WTC casualties pale next to the losses on our highways.

Based on that comment alone, you should be banned from this site you flaming asshole.

Accidental deaths on the highways due to driver negligence=intentional mass murder of 3,000 innocent civilians on one day?

You are absolutely beyond hope. Are you even fucking human?

63 Siergen  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:14:39pm
Terrorism is primarily an attack on our emotions, and is designed to have an impact that is disproportionate to the number of casualties. A "dirty bomb" might well not kill anybody, but the economic costs and disruption would be enormous, as well as the damage--however unjustified--to people's sense of security.

For maximum terror, set off a dirty bomb, but announce that it's an accident involving a nuclear power plant. Then the lefties will be screaming at the top of their lungs to "run for the hills".

Conversely, if there's an accident involving a nuclear power plant, announce that it's a dirty bomb, and the lefties will all say that it's nothing to worry about...

64 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:14:45pm

Then my question to the BBC is how you explain the IRA? Not a terrorist organization? I am confused. Someone please explain - my brain hurts.

65 Megan  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:14:46pm

As opposed to real things we should fear, like Bush bringing back the draft, evil corporations stealing from the poor, America polluting the planet leading to global warming leading to the end of the world, minorities being disenfranchised, dissent being crushed, being sent to Gitmo for speaking out against Bush.

66 TMF  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:16:08pm

Oops- looks like Reaganite beat me to the punch. TOuche, bro!

67 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:16:28pm

#65 Megan
Forget your sarcasm tag?

68 Yehudit  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:16:31pm

BDS=Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Term coined by former psychiatrist and now pundit Charles Krauthammer.

Tommy Franks slams Kerry.

Franks, former commander of forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, faulted Kerry's votes on major weapons systems and intelligence issues, and against the 1991 Gulf War. "If his voting record ruled the day, Saddam Hussein would not only be running Iraq but Kuwait," Franks told about 200 people Sunday at a Reno rally.

. . . Franks praised the Democratic challenger's military service during the Vietnam War, but said Kerry's later anti-war activities upset him. "The men I served with in Vietnam weren't war criminals and I'm proud I served with them," Franks said.

69 Asylum Aleikum  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:17:17pm

Coming to a boob tube near you: the WTC was not destroyed by terrorists, it never existed!

70 transferthem  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:17:18pm

This nonsense suggests several things:

1. The bbc is unashamedly pro muslim, pro arab, pro terror, anti democracy, anti western values, and antisemitic.

2. The bbc doesn't give a rat's ass about the thousands of dead and maimed victims of the non existent terrorists.

3. That the ubiquitous 'war on terror' should be more properly named 'the war on nazi islam' as soon as possible. The euphamism of a 'war on terror' is being used by the terrorists to influence their media allies into suggesting that there is no terror and therefore, ipso facto, there should be no war on terror. Tell that to the families of dead Jews in Israel or dead Americans in New York.

71 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:17:28pm

#66 TMF
Looks like this is going to be a troll bait thread. :-(

72 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:17:41pm

#50 tgibbs

I think that we do tend to overreact to the threat of terrorism. Even the WTC casualties pale next to the losses on our highways. Short of a nuclear device, it is hard to imagine anything that terrorists could do that would appreciably affect the overall risk to the average citizen.

ahh yes, the ol' 'terrorism is a nuisance' bit.

73 hepcat  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:18:19pm

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."

--George Orwell

74 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:18:22pm

#50 tggibbs

"Terrorism is primarily an attack on our emotions"

tell that to the family members of those lost on 9/11!

cannot believe you think that way!

75 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:19:08pm

#65

Dissent being crushed?

Michael Moore is the Great American Gasbag heard round the world!

76 Cam  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:19:47pm

#71 reaganite:

S'Okay - they make for great FNDT's.

;-)

77 applesweet  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:19:59pm

Does this mean that Bigley wasn't beheaded?

78 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:20:33pm

#67 reaganite

I honestly think that she did.

79 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:20:34pm

#50 tgibbs

Take a look at these, sportsfan.

A mere bagatelle.

I think people have spoken much rubbish about that event [9/11]. 'The poor revenging themselves on the rich!' It's nothing but an aspect of religious hatred. And that is so hard to deal with, or even contemplate. You can deal with the poor striking out, but you can't deal with the threat of a universal religious war. V. S. Naipaul

80 Sarah D.  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:21:15pm

OT

Not sure if other Florida Lizards have already posted this. The DNC is sending out information for the Florida Early Voting drive. Here's how they explain it:

Early Voting is the easiest and best way to get our votes in the bank before any last minute attacks and tricks to prevent citizens from casting their vote.

Here's the link.

They love the scare tactics.

81 Darleen  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:21:19pm

#50 tgibbs

Only a fool is never afraid. Fear is a useful emotion, it alerts you to danger, it allows you to start thinking seriously of what you need to do to work through your fear and change what it is that you are afraid of.

When I get in my car in the morning, I voluntarily take a risk that I will arrive safely at my destination. I take that risk whenever I dive into a pool or strap on skis. But just as I expect everything done to minimize the impact of CRIME on my life through well crafted laws, adequate police force and well-run courts, I expect my government to do what it can to "provide for the common defense"..and that includes against sworn enemies of my country and my civilization.

Islamists have declared war on Western Civilization, America, Israel and Jews in particular. This is not a case of sitting people in a room and running "Red Asphalt". This is hunting the deathcult thugs down wherever they are and creating red asphalt in the spot where they stood.

82 cdbdbcme  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:21:30pm

Non-existent terrorism. So I did not see the Pentagon burn on 9/11. I did not hear the stories of my neighbors who work there trying to get out. I did not see the big hole in it. I did not see the construction to rebuild it.

83 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:22:10pm

#76 Cam

S'Okay - they make for great FNDT's.

I'll drink to that!

#78 Right Wing Conspirator
That's why I asked, brother!

84 Beagle  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:22:22pm

#50 tgibbs

Even the WTC casualties pale next to the losses on our highways.

Keeping in mind - of course - that driving is the most dangerous activity we do because everyone does it all the time.

Car accidents don't change the price of oil, destroy the stock market, cause people to jump en masse from buildings, force the government to create checkpoints everywhere, or cause a recession.

85 Megan  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:22:26pm
Forget your sarcasm tag?

Oops. Yeah, I was being sarcastic.

86 Throbert McGee  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:22:37pm
being sent to Gitmo for speaking out against Bush.

If only it were that easy! I spent kindergarten and 1st grade in Gitmo (William T. Samson Elementary School) and I would love to go back to see how the base has changed...


um...


BUSH IS A CRACK-SMOKING PEDOPHILE! WITH COOTIES, EVEN!!

[waiting for the sound of jackboots at my door]

87 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:22:49pm

#81 Darleen

Bravo....well said :-)

88 cdbdbcme  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:23:17pm

More non-existent terrorism. So, my husband did not have to head up the anthrax screening of his law office because they got their mail from the Brentwood mail sorting office.

89 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:24:18pm

#85 Megan
I've seen your posts before, I was pretty sure that was the case.

90 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:24:36pm
91 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:24:58pm

#85 Megan

Oops. Yeah, I was being sarcastic.


You want peace at any cost, right?

You just don't understand the cost.

92 Furious J  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:25:10pm
Much of the currently perceived threat from international terrorism, the series argues, “is a fantasy that has been exaggerated and distorted by politicians.”

If terrorism is a fantasy, then I guess those 3,000 people on 9-11 were killed by, what? Rabid unicorns? Wizards? Anna Kournikova covered in marshmallow cream?

93 dog bard  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:26:03pm

It figures that this glowing-with-delight report on this BBC2 program would appear in the Guardian... that bastion of of "left-headed" moonbats who have launced a mail/email campaign to tell Ohioan voters to vote for Kerry.

94 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:26:15pm

#83 reaganite

I know....I wasn't accusing you of jumping the gun or anything....just stating my opinion.

I swear though, one of the best things that Charles has implemented here is the "LGF" icon thingy. Now, if she would have had only say one or two posts under her belt, then you know where to go from there ;-) It's like a troll detector.

95 Dave Ray  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:26:35pm
Anna Kournikova covered in marshmallow cream?

Mmmmmmmm

96 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:27:24pm

#90 bigel
Enough already, we have gotten your "point" a thousand times already. Please don't pollute another thread.

97 Nancy  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:27:30pm

There is certainly a collective denial.

Perhaps it is because admitting this has flourished as a result of many of the politically correct, multi-cultural and socialist positions and policies --they cannot bear to admit those have failed.

It may well be that the liberal left has to deny that the threat of Islamic terrorism is very real because it would force them to confront their own "ideologies" and pet causes.

They want the status quo and thus it is they who are the "real conservatives."

98 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:27:31pm

#91 Ann

Calm it down sis........a little blue on blue fire there ;-)

99 AmazonMom  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:27:33pm

I tried reading the whole article to fully understand WHAT this guy was trying to say. The "bomb" he seems to be talking about is a dirty bomb. He claims that in Britian they have been touting dirty bombs as killers. I dunno, I don't live here. I know that anytime I've heard about dirty bombs here in America they've all said that it wouldn't cause major causalties, just mass hysteria.

But the silliest thing (or saddest), is that he's claiming a vast right-wing conspiracy (oh, I've never heard that one before /). This whole Al-Qaida thing is the brainchild of Wolfowitz and the Cold War was just a misunderstanding - Russia never really wanted to take over the world.

I kept wondering if he was going to tell us that the Chechen School masscare was really just a bunch of disgruntaled employees gone postal.

Mom

100 Dave Ray  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:28:23pm
I bet in the soon to be produced part 4 of the series, the BBC will explain how terrorism is all the fault of the evil, Christkilling, Mohammad-rejecting, blood-sucking, slumlord-owning, porn-peddling, plague-spreading, AIDS-inventing, child's blood-in-matzoh-eating, WTC-on-9/11-avoiding, Bush-puppeteering, usury-practicing, bank-controlling, American-media-dominating, neocon Zionazi JoooOOOoooOOOooos!

......how's the baseball you crazy mofo?

101 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:28:27pm

I owe you an apology, Megan! I jumped too fast... Sorry!

102 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:28:46pm

#94 Right Wing Conspirator

It's like a troll detector.

Well, there is nodroG...

103 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:29:46pm

reaganite

The World Trade Towers are still up, all this shit, was well, made up like Alan Shepard hitting a golf ball off the fucking moon.

It was all staged.

////////////////////////////

Nobody has been convicted who is a proven member of al-Qaida.

And the answer to this question, adam curtis IS, we are still squeezing the nuts in a vice, in some unnamed land. Then we are going to behead the bastards and send the videos to you.

No, No...adam, I take that back, just heard from HQ, we're sending you the fucking heads...we keep the videos.

104 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:30:19pm

#102 reaganite

Who is that ? An old regular ? Or do you know ?

*not asking you to out him/her though.

105 Darleen  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:31:06pm

#87 RWC

Thanks...and I'm holding back...

I'm so friggin' mad right now... Guardian is trying to influence voters in Ohio, John Kerry is running with the "GW is gonna draft your ass" crap, the DNC is sending out manuals that it doesn't really matter if voter intimidation takes place go ahead and make it up, Nightline goes to Vietnam to support Kerry's story while Kerry is trying to go to the DOJ to make them give him equal time for Stolen Honor ....

I have never experienced the level of viciousness, of blatant aggitation to do "whatever it takes" to see Kerry *elected* in any election since I first voted (72).

I'm ready to channel Howard Dean...

YEEEEAAAAHHHHHRRRRGGGG

106 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:31:17pm

#98 RWC
You are right. I have a house full of LLL's and I haven't been able to have dinner yet because of that.
I am back in the bedroom. I can't take it anymore.

107 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:31:34pm

#103 Elcid

The World Trade Towers are still up, all this shit, was well, made up like Alan Shepard hitting a golf ball off the fucking moon.

Yeah, I know, they made me "think" I was going to meetings in WTC 7. :-Þ

108 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:31:57pm
109 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:32:32pm

tgibbs's is the coward's outlook on life. It doesn't matter if the whole world goes to pot, as long as tgibbs is safe and comfortable.

Murderers don't kill all that many people, either. Why fool with them? After all, it's not like it happens to that many people. Do any of YOU know someone who's been murdered? Besides, the murderers have their grievances, and most of them are poor and disadvantaged. We shouldn't be surprised if one of them murders one of us who have more than our share. And we bring it on ourselves anyway, walking in other neighborhoods at night, just tempting them.

I think this crime-prevention thing is just a racket for the police to have jobs. If they didn't scare us with crime statistics, we'd toss them out of work. Most of them ride around in cars all day anyway, not fighting "criminals."

Anyway, the murder-prevention campaign costs so much money. Wouldn't it be cheaper to just pay the murderers off? I mean, as long as they sign a piece of paper promising not to do it again.

IOW, just lie back and enjoy it.

/talking to wall

110 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:32:41pm

#104 Right Wing Conspirator

Who is that ? An old regular ? Or do you know ?

Drink ya silly bastid!

111 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:32:46pm

This is equivalent to the idiots I sometimes hear on KPFA saying that AIDS isn't caused by a virus...

Funny to get this crap from the BBC though. They just ran a series that broke the story that Sadam was days away from buying a nuke from Pakistan... Then they do a 180 and claim there is no terrorism.

If it was an American network, I'd say they're peddling this shit to try to save John (what an idiot) Kerry from his "terrorism is a nuesance" remark.

But in Britain? Well there's an election coming up there too and I wouldn't think that the BBC wants to see a TORY government.

Ahh here's the money quote:

The Power of Nightmares began as an investigation of something else, the rise of modern American conservatism. Curtis was interested in Leo Strauss, a political philosopher at the university of Chicago in the 50s who rejected the liberalism of postwar America as amoral and who thought that the country could be rescued by a revived belief in America's unique role to battle evil in the world. Strauss's certainty and his emphasis on the use of grand myths as a higher form of political propaganda created a group of influential disciples such as Paul Wolfowitz, now the US deputy defence secretary. They came to prominence by talking up the Russian threat during the cold war and have applied a similar strategy in the war on terror.
As Curtis traced the rise of the "Straussians", he came to a conclusion that would form the basis for The Power of Nightmares. Straussian conservatism had a previously unsuspected amount in common with Islamism: from origins in the 50s, to a formative belief that liberalism was the enemy, to an actual period of Islamist-Straussian collaboration against the Soviet Union during the war in Afghanistan in the 80s (both movements have proved adept at finding new foes to keep them going). Although the Islamists and the Straussians have fallen out since then, as the attacks on America in 2001 graphically demonstrated, they are in another way, Curtis concludes, collaborating still: in sustaining the "fantasy" of the war on terror.

Got it.

112 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:34:27pm

#108 bigel

but others at LGF think it's funny.

And many more think you're an insane psychopath.

113 Carolina Girl  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:34:40pm

#71 reaganite

No kidding....that one left me speechless. That is not easy to do.

Terrorism play on our EMOTIONS?

And gee aside from a dirty bomb it doesn't affect the overall average citizen -- so how many overall citizens does it have to effect before it, you know, matters?

I can think of 166 in Oklahoma City who mattered.

I can think of 300 Russian children who mattered.

114 Dawg  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:34:42pm

#65 Megan:

I almost thought you were serious but the I know nobody can be that close-minded:

Bush couldn't bring back the draft even if he wanted even though it looks like the Democrats were pushing for it.

Evil Corporations steal from everybody and most have been brought down and prosecuted by the current administration.

Global warming - Can't even be determined if it is manmade: Coconuts in Wyoming?

How can dissent be crushed when the MSM is blatantly pulling for Kerry?

115 [Engineer]  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:34:47pm

#110 reaganite

Drink ya silly bastid!

You must not be on call, so DRINK

116 Dave Ray  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:35:21pm

Bigel:

of course I'm going to listen.......not understand but listen.....

117 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:35:24pm

#108

Isn't the game rained out?

118 Megan  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:35:25pm
I owe you an apology, Megan! I jumped too fast... Sorry!

That's okay, I should have mentioned I was being sarcastic. Basically I'm so sick of people calling the terrorism threats a "scare tactic" then making all sorts of lies and conspiracy theories like the "diesnefranchisement" or the draft. So don't worry, i'm not in Hollywood and the post wasn't an for the DNC.

119 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:35:49pm

#97

Eppur si muove.

They're finding out the sun doesn't revolve around the earth after all--and they don't like it.

You can always tell an idea that a Leftist has had to abandon: it has claw marks all over it.

120 Dawg  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:36:46pm

#85 Megan

Sorry - I am a nebie here. I should have caught the sarcasm.

121 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:37:29pm
122 NY Nana  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:37:30pm

How quickly they forget...the IRA, etc, and this from the f*ing beeb:Brighton bomber's return visit

And this little goody from today:Hamza to face UK terror charges

Controversial Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri is to face terrorism charges in the UK, effectively putting US attempts to extradite him on hold.
The London preacher has been in Belmarsh prison since May when the US requested his extradition on terrorism related matters.

But the British legal process will take precedence over the extradition hearing which had been due to start next week.

It is not yet know exactly what charges Mr Abu Hamza, 47, will face.

The Crown Prosecution Service confirmed it had advised the police of its decision and it was up to them to inform all parties concerned.

Assholes.

123 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:37:39pm

#113 Carolina Girl
I've been doing this job over half my life. People who think I'm paranoid out number those that don't. At least prior to 9-11 anyway.

#115 [Engineer]

You must not be on call, so DRINK

I'm no longer on call and what makes you think I'm not drinking>

124 godfrey  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:37:57pm

This is the same Adam Curtis who produced the TV series "The Century of the Self" -- this is a guy who spent a lot of time in graduate school reading the likes of Marx, Freud, Deleuze, Guattari, Adorno, Gramsci, Bourdieu... i.e., having blinded himself to reality, and having lost faith in his perceptions, he is in love with the way his own voice echoes with theirs.

125 zulubaby  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:38:13pm

This is why I blame the media for the rise in anti-Semitism. It's non-stop Jew-hatred courtesy of the BBC and al-Guardian. Bastards. I loathe the media.

126 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:38:45pm

#106 Ann

We should have them over grayp's house :-)

#110 reaganite

I will....but I was being serious.

(and I have been,....how else would I agree to go and see "A Sharks Tale" ?!?!?

127 Earl  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:39:34pm

Re: Bigel #106

Thanks for using the descriptor "Jew-hater"; an ugly noun for an ugly scourge.

On Topic:

So, al-Qaeda is a "dark illusion", per al-Guardian? So is the Qur'an? The ahadith? The Umdat al-Salik?

Nutters. Blinkered, dhimmi nutters.

128 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:39:37pm

#121 bigel
I am not going to derail this thread so you can get your nodroG rush. You know what I think about you.

129 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:40:05pm

Hmm. Perhaps the media should start refering to terrorism in the united states as Militant Tourism.

They probably run ads in Saudi Arabia See scenic New York and blow it up!

130 Carolina Girl  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:40:37pm

#123 reaganite

Moonbats call paranoid what we call realistic.
No longer on call? Do I hear career winds of change?

I wish I could join the drinking - even here in the West Coast Cesspool they frown on tequila on the desk, alas....

131 cba  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:40:49pm

I haven't read all the comments so my apologies because I'm sure someone else has already jumped on this, but it just made me see red:

If a bomb goes off, the fear I have is that everyone will say, ‘You’re completely wrong,’

His fear is of being called wrong--not of people being killed or injured or otherwise traumatized.

Asshole.

(I'd say what I really think of him but that would be rude.)

132 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:41:02pm

#105 Darleen

amen, sister. My mother first voted in 1950, and she says she's never seen it this rancid.

That's half a century of elections, folks. And she and my dad are flabbergasted that the Democrats are behaving so unpatriotically, willing to trash the whole country to win, ruining the citizens' trust in the election process, making false racist claims, openly running Big Media as a DNC talking-points machine, and actually getting violent with campaign volunteers.

I can't believe it myself. It's like we're turning into Europe, or something. Ugh.

133 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:41:40pm
134 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:41:46pm

I have an additional definition for BDS: Blame Daddy Syndrome.

135 jrdroll  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:42:20pm

#65 megan
Well someone should do it.

As opposed to real things we should fear, like Bush bringing back the draft,


The draft brought to you by Charley Rangle D-NY. Voted down last week 402-2 with Rangel voting No

evil corporations stealing from the poor,


As opposed to evil environmentalist condemning the 3rd world to death by banning DDT.

America polluting the planet leading to global warming leading to the end of the world,


If the world is about to end why are you concerned about the draft?

minorities being disenfranchised ,


If they want a McDonalds franchise I say go for it.

dissent being crushed,,


Yea its a shame about all those Dixie Chicks cds being run over

being sent to Gitmo for speaking out against Bush.

They probably were Miller Lite fans

136 Blackhorse  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:42:23pm

BBC: Terrorism is a Myth

Why should this be a surprise. UK is quickly becoming a Muslim Nation.

If I were stupid enough to believe this Trash, then I would have to believe that Israel is a Myth.

137 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:43:05pm

The guy who made that documentary is just some obsessed lefty who spent all of his efforts making up conspiracy theories about right wing Jews instead of studying terrorist or the middle east. Typical.

138 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:43:58pm

#130 Carolina Girl

No longer on call? Do I hear career winds of change?

Not yet. Once every 4 or 5 weeks I go on call. It's a Base support thing. We respond to aircraft emergencies, bomb threats, yada yada. It's a time to be sober 24/7.

I wish I could join the drinking - even here in the West Coast Cesspool they frown on tequila on the desk, alas....

Pssst, try vodka...

139 jrdroll  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:45:02pm

#65 megan
/sarc off tags save bandwidth;)

140 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:45:10pm

#130 Carolina Girl

No longer on call? Do I hear career winds of change?

After all the women here had seen his pic he figured that wasn't the career path that he wanted to continue on. He has a new money-maker :-P


sorry >-P

141 Mike C.  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:46:24pm
talking up the Russian threat during the cold war

Talking up the Russian (sic) threat during the Cold War ? They had how many nukes ? And how big an army ? Obviously this is somebody that didn't grow up doing 'duck and cover' drills in grade school, and that can't remember that both the Washington Post and Washington Star used to publish those cute little diagrams in the paper. You remember - the ones with the concentric circles around the US Capitol building showing just how quickly you would die when it was hit by the latest Soviet nuke. Where we lived, it was 'don't worry - you won't feel a thing.'

142 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:46:24pm

#135 jrdroll
Scroll up. Megan is not a troll.

143 Beagle  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:47:05pm

#90 bigel

Why stop there? I'm pretty sure you could recall one new (old) slur each day to add to that list.

144 MichelefromLA  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:47:14pm

When I heard Michael Moore say something like -Terrorism is something the Bush administration uses to try to scare people - sometime this year,

I, for the five-millionth time in 3 years, thought NOW democrats will hear what an idiot Moore is.....'cuz we all saw people jumping from the World Trade Center, watched the NY skyline change before our eyes.....saw masked monsters chopping off heads in the name of Allah, heard about children being shot in their backs.....

It sends chills across my skin to know there's more of Moore-type thinking out there. It's slithered over the liberal party like a virus and affected their brains.

People like Moore and his pathetic ilk do not deserve to reap the rewards of the protection that are soldiers and other security agencies provide them.

If only these liberals in denial could all move away to some Island, far, far away - where they could sing Kumbaya and hold hands. Hey, they don't need our soldiers or our police for protection, or our corporations to provide jobs.... They can make another Cuba, where they can receive monthly rations of cornmeal and a few eggs, receive the news cBS decides is appropriately filtered information, while they wait in PEACE for the Islamic-facists to come and provide chadors for the feminists.

145 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:47:26pm

Megan

I hope you learned your lesson ;-)

146 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:47:30pm

#133 bigel
How many times has Charles told me to STFU?

147 Carolina Girl  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:47:42pm

#138 reaganite

Boss has Johnny Walker Blue in office. I keep checking to see if he's drunk out of it yet. Man, the day he does and I think I can get away with it.......

I cannot fathom having a job that requires actual courage. I have a shrine to the New York firefighters in my house. My friends say I'm obsessed. No. I'm in awe.

148 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:48:41pm

#140 Right Wing Conspirator
Dude! I was taking a drink!

149 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:48:53pm

er RWC, warning?

gack!

150 Sarah D.  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:49:19pm

#140 RWC!

LMAO!

151 Dave Ray  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:50:39pm

Bigel:

And for everyone that calls me insane, someone calls me a prophet.....

....to be honest it's every 100 people that call you insane, someone call you a prophet!!

And the person who does probably took their medication.

PS The Man Utd bid by the Yank has failed although he's increased his shares in the club.

152 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:50:48pm

#147 Carolina Girl

I have a shrine to the New York firefighters in my house.

Those people are crazy, they run into burning buildings!

153 Egfrow  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:51:07pm

I have to agree is some part that this war should not be really called a war at all. It does not fall into the category of any war fought before this one. I would have to classify this more of a idealistic clash similar to the "Cold War" where capitalism vs. communism was not really a war either but resulted in many similar circumstances and situations as the "Cold War" did. This is a clash of Ideology not with a direct State such as the Soviet Union but more of a clash of Ideology with whole segments of ancient societies. This is a carry through of the ending of the "Cold War" . a sort continuation so to speak. Our enemies during this conflict have changed their skin and are backing this diversion of societies.

If it was Arab States that we were directly up against then we could make it a state war with governments and leaders at direct threat from the US throughout the Arab Middle East. They would pacify collectively very quickly. No. They are being encouraged directly and indirectly by our former Cold War Enemies. The anit-capitalist brigades are back channeling this conflict. Communism did not die. It has grown and has been re-labeled "Leftist Socialism" also know as "Communism Lite" What our newly skinned enemies have in common with our Islamic time machine throwback "militants" is a hatred or disrespect for the capacity of humankind. The Commi-Lites have a fear of success of the individual or small group of superior performers rising above a crowd to bring humankind a step further. Any large bounds in progress or success in this area is labeled evil. Our Islamic 'militant' enemies hate humankind also. They hate in a similar but different way. They have shame for of anything of greatness created and sense of self as a contributor to anything great, except by Allah. This is the giving up of all capacity to excell at anything that requires objective and critical thinking on the part of any individual or group.

So the Comm-Lites and the Islamiltants are embracing each other in the common defeat of humankind’s capacity for greatness and future. The Comm-Lites have now dominated most of Old Europe and have also heavily infiltrated a large portion of US society. "The Fifth Column". Tese Com-Lites are the real threat for they have a deep understanding of thier enemy. They are sharing this understanding more and more freely with the Islamitants. Old money and 'entitlement' gained fundage are making their way very quickly into the hands of the Islamiltants. They are the new adopted foot soldiers and ready to neuter mankind’s desire for greatness. The USA and it's current culture is the main obstacle that stands against this ideological force of self-sacrifice, shame, guilt, hatred, jealously, blame, and moral high ground trumpeters. Humankind, as far as these ideologies are concerned, is not fit to progress or worthy of even being present on the gifted planet.

The producers are not allowed to keep what they create they must surrender all for the benefit of all mankind, of course they will first in line to hand-out and ration out the product at least until the producers have been drained of life and will. The USA has many strong allies currently in State power but as we have seen with Spain and the Philippines this is still not solid. The UK is wavering on the brink from Com-Lite internal pressures. Though USA share much in common with the UK there old entitlement ways of thinking is still a very strong influence on their society and politics. It seems are strongest allies are the most successful ones. South Korea, Australia, Japan, Poland (they know the score), Israel, and a few others.

All this said, here is how I view this up coming presidential election. If Bush wins the Com-Lite alliance will unify in disgust against the will of the American people but solidify and strengthen the bonds with our democratic/ capitalist allies. The Capitalists are the producers and creators of wealth. The Com-Lite alliance are the ‘thieves’ and 'pimps' of the producers.

154 godfrey  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:51:11pm

Googling further on Curtis turns

155 Carolina Girl  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:51:28pm

#140 RWC


I think Lady of Shalott (ylreveb) and I should get together, dress in our nicest, and catch the early AND late shows.... what say you, Ma'am?

156 TenRing  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:52:11pm

#32 Beagle

an idea about cleansing a corrupt world through religious violence

Isn't that philosophy kinda like...Islam?

157 ddd  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:52:28pm

The BBC should be shut down it facilities should be used to apologize to American and Jews. It should show translated speech from the evil Muslim killer. It should show how Muslim have been killing people all over the world.

158 Sculpin  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:52:36pm

(Well, let's see if this takes.)

74 newsjunkie_ky

Actually, I think the person you are responding to is right. The destruction of the WTC caused an emotional reaction among many people who had neither family nor financial interest in the WTC, exactly as the terr's intended.

That's the main purpose of terrorism.

A second purpose being to get the target to react in a way spectators can be persuaded is excessive, making the target look like the one doing wrong. Does that sound a little like what the MSM is argueing? Or getting ready to argue?

The gravest danger the US faces today is that our government will react in an excessive and inappropriate fashion, curtailing our rights. That could easily result in the US fedgov killing thousands of US citizens, much as the Communists did/do in Russia, Cuba, Cambodia, etc.

159 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:52:45pm

RWC, okay now am smiling again!
Gulped down some food, brought some Sam Adams Light back, and I see that!
Thanks-:)

So is he the one on the right or on the left?

160 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:54:48pm

131 cba

The amazing thing is that he doesn't think that actual attacks prove the existance of attackers!!!

Huh? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HIS BRAIN?!!!

161 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:55:15pm

#159 Ann

So is he the one on the right or on the left?

The guy behind the camera...

162 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:55:24pm
The gravest danger the US faces today is that our government will react in an excessive and inappropriate fashion, curtailing our rights.


The detector just went off...

163 Elisa  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:56:07pm

I've seen, up close and personal, that particular type of far-left person that can seriously consider terrorism "a myth." They are people who, like Peter Pan, REFUSE TO GROW UP. They do not see the world that is, they see the world they want to see. They live in a world where everyone is good at heart, some just do bad things because bad things have happened to them but would change overnight if treated nicely. They don't believe in war because they DO NOT UNDERSTAND that peace can happen ONLY when all sides agree to it, AND that there are people, groups, and governments in this world that don't believe in peace. At least not any kind of peace that doesn't have them as dictators of the world.

In their world Bush was wrong because he didn't ask them nicely to stop what they were doing and offer to fix whatever was making them so unhappy. They can't understand that what makes "them" so unhappy is the existence of free people in the world and that the only thing that WILL make them happy is the death of all those free people.

164 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:57:32pm

#162 Ann
RWC has a point about the profiles, sculpin, 1 post...

165 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 2:58:46pm

#162 Ann
BTW, grayp says I'm supposed to contact you about a certain present?

166 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:00:04pm

161 reaganite

The guy behind the camera...


Dressed like that???
;)

167 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:00:58pm

#166 Ann

Dressed like that???

Speedos, goggles, and swim fins...

168 MichelefromLA  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:03:09pm

#50

I think that we do tend to overreact to the threat of terrorism. Even the WTC casualties pale next to the losses on our highways. Short of a nuclear device, it is hard to imagine anything that terrorists could do that would appreciably affect the overall risk to the average citizen.

**********************

When we get into cars, we know who's in control; either we are, and so we drive carefully, or we make sure the person driving is careful. We have some control, and the awareness that things out of our control may occur.

To compare men who plotted to take airplanes full of innocent people out of the control of pilots, which were purposefully aimed at buildings, again, full of innocent people - in order to kill as many as possible - And remember those buildings were capable of holding tens of thousands of people....Is not at all comparable to driving on the highway.

Sorry, my brain can't even comprehend the comparison.

169 Carolina Girl  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:03:14pm

#167 reaganite, Ann

MY EYES! MY EYES!! I just visualized Chris Farley in a speedo.

Must. Rinse. Brain. With. Bleach. Now. Before. Damage. Is. Permanent.

170 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:04:09pm

reaganite,
You are right on the RWC detector! Do floods of these people register, then hibernate to post when registration is closed?

Yes, there is an item that grayp needs to hide for her hubby's birthday...

171 Fay  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:04:42pm

Meanwhile CBC, the Beeb's bastard offspring, plans to air this delightful French production piece of crap on Sunday.

My tax dollars at work, ptooey.

172 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:04:49pm

#169 Carolina Girl

Must. Rinse. Brain. With. Bleach. Now. Before. Damage. Is. Permanent.

It's RWC's fault!

173 Carolina Girl  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:06:02pm

#172 reaganite.

Ah. I see. My retribution with be swift and merciful.

174 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:07:13pm

#170 Ann

Do floods of these people register, then hibernate to post when registration is closed?

I noticed many of them did register on the first day.

Yes, there is an item that grayp needs to hide for her hubby's birthday...

You two need to tell me these things!

175 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:08:09pm

#167 reaganite

Speedos, goggles, and swim fins...


Dude, you got a helluva tan overseas then.


*alright all, perhaps see you later. If not, have a goodnight.

176 [Engineer]  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:09:32pm

#121 bigel

And for everyone that calls me insane, someone calls me a prophet.....

That's because you are just as full of hate as big Mo was.

177 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:09:46pm

#175 Right Wing Conspirator
You are an evil person. Have a good drunk!

178 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:11:17pm

#168 MichelefromLA

What she misses is that WMD attacks ARE very likely if we don't shut down all sources of terrorsm. A little weaponized anthrax spread into the ventilation system of a mall at Christmas or something... Hell Iran will have nukes soon and that could go to Hezbolla, and off to AQ...

179 TenRing  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:11:53pm

tgibbs

Let's assume you were using a relative comparison of figures to illustrate a point - and not to justify terrorism.

Given the absense of other such nonsense in your posting history, I'm willing to back away and let you make your case for whatever it was.

But warn us next time that you're gonna go into abstractions, ok? I'm guessing you can tell that a lot of folks hereabouts take terrorism very seriously.

I mean, if my assumption is correct.

180 cdbdbcme  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:13:05pm

RWC posts a picture like that without warning and then runs out on us!

181 Fay  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:14:08pm

#122 NY Nana:

Don't get me started about the Brighton bomber and the looney left daughter of one of the people he murdered. The nearest and dearest of my relatives live in and around Brighton, that bombing had a profound effect for years.

The looney daughter and the murderous scum IRA terrorist are engaged in "dialogue." Ride on the "Peace Train."

Spit.

182 zulubaby  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:18:15pm

Fay, that was recently aired on South African TV. I was in a complete knot about it. What can we do though? Nothing :-(

I posted about it at the time. Just awful.

See JAPAM's post too.

183 Blackhorse  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:18:28pm

#50 tgibbs


"I think that we do tend to overreact to the threat of terrorism. Even the WTC casualties pale next to the losses on our highways."

Overreact? Pale next to losses on our highways?

If I thought like you, I would care less about a single life vs. millions of lives.

Like the way the BBC writer thinks, Life is just a myth.

184 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:21:13pm

#174 reaganite

You two need to tell me these things!


Did you ever see Cannonball Run?
:)

RWC, please stick around! I am not in the mood for any serious posts tonight... I need a break.

Is this thread ok to continue to derail?

185 Luigi  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:21:17pm

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the BBC is right and we're just bad people?

186 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:21:23pm

Sorry all. I will see you all later.

187 cdbdbcme  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:23:07pm

RWC was that picture taken after all the "I have a plan" drinks.

188 Darleen  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:25:07pm

::: whew:::

Ok. I feel a bit better. I ranted on my own blog about this and called this terrorism as fantasy crap as a "Bobby Ewing" moment.

Y'all recall the show "Dallas" and how they wiped out one whole season of episodes by making it a "dream?"

That's exactly the bovine excrement the Beeb & Guardian are peddling.

189 Fay  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:25:57pm

zulubaby, I must have missed that (what's new?) Interesting that the CBC, which can be watched by many Americans living close to the US/Canada border, chooses to air this less than three weeks before the election. Well, not really, we all know that Kerry is the overwhelming favorite of Canadians. Aargh.....

190 armytramp  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:26:42pm

Remember kids!

People who fly planes into buildings in New York are a figment of your imagination.

People who fly a plane into the Pentagon are boogeymen.

People who whip out hatchets and attack Norwegian pilots do not exist.

Gang raping hordes of Muslim thugs do not roam the streets of France, Sweden, Germany, and Switzerland.

No one is sneaking across the Canadian/US border with any explosives. The government is lying to you.

Osama Bin Laden, and his ilk do not want to destroy every single last one of you and take over your entire civilization no matter how many times they say it on tape.

You did not see any of this on television. It did not happen. It is not happening. It will not happen.

However, the thing of which you must really, really be afriad are those fundamentalist Christians.

Televangelists who claim they will kill a gay man who gropes their ass are the real threat, despite the fact that this man is never likely to be touched by any gay man at any time, ever.

Beware the raging hordes of Amish whose revolting fundamentalist Christian attitudes may prevent you from feeling good about yourself while they live humble, simple, uncomplicated lives and you feel like a total and complete shallow ass while you think you have problems because you have so many choices in latte; you have just got to make sure that art exhibits which feature Christian religious symbols and urine in the same work are protected; and you have so many Palestinian charities to support because, like, they are oppressed or something, aren't they, and Islam is such a peaceful religion, or so you heard.

Peaceful unlike those bad, bad Amish. And the Mennonites. Mustn't forget the Mennonites. Except it's harder to spell.

191 Blackhorse  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:27:08pm

#70 transferthem

EXCELLENT POST

192 LarryW2LJ  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:27:39pm

#50 tgibbs

"A "dirty bomb" might well not kill anybody"

WTF ??? A dirty bomb is designed to do just that! Kill people; but in a much slower and painful way i.e radiation poisoning.

The release of a dirty bomb is the worst nightmare possible for emergency management personnel.

194 Sculpin  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:28:02pm

Sculpin aka "Offbreed@mydeja.com" aka "Offbreed_106@hotmail.com" aka pharding134@yahoo.com"

Usually hang out in misc.survivalism

Very conservative, pro Bush, and anti Kerry.

Don't get so wrapped up with fighting one enemy that you forget to watch your back. Kerry is not the only snake in the US.

195 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:30:21pm

#106 Ann,

'K, I'm back. I feel for you Dolly. I had to leave. I was *way* too angry. I left out of here pedal to the metal, blasting Manson's Fight Song as loud as the Cruiser would go.

I may have scared my neighbors :-)

Just when you think the Left can't possibly sink any lower, they break out a backhoe and start digging.

DRINK!

:-P

196 NY Nana  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:30:29pm

#181 Fay

Brighton had a profound impact on me some 18 years ago, when I went there while in London, with my daughter, who was there for her junior year. The site was, I believe, still not rebuilt, and so many Brits stopped and bowed their heads, as did we. I empathize with your family, as they actually were there when it happened.

I haven't been back since, although I have been back to london so many times.

Why is there always an L3 somewhere in these events? Here, there are some from 9/11 families, and of anyone, the father (may his name be obliterated) of Nick Berg zt'l stands alone in evil.

I was caught up in an IRA raid in the West End some years ago...for the beeb to denigrate terrorism at the taxpayers' expense? The license fee should be cancelled.

197 Megan  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:31:31pm
This shows the way we have all become trapped, the way even I have become trapped by a fear that is completely irrational.”

Like the people trapped in the rubble on 9/11? People trapped in a hijacked airplane or a bus with a terrorist? Or kids trapped in a school because they'll get shot or set off a bomb if they try and leave?

198 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:31:45pm

#192 LarryW2LJ
I don't know if you know my history but you are wrong. A dirty bomb is nothing but a cause of panic. If you are outside of the original blast to spread the radioactive component, you'll live. And it will be a normal lifespan.

199 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:32:15pm
Even the WTC casualties pale next to the losses on our highways

You know those sorts of apples vs. oranges arguments can be made even after we're being nuked.

I can see the articles now: "The threat terrorism is always being overplayed by rightwingers. We've seen more deaths on our freeways over the past century than from terrorist attacks" Or "There were more preventable deaths from AIDs in Africa over the last decade than from terrorist attacks, John. I think it's safe to say that capitalism is the real enemy here."

200 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:32:29pm

OK - one last thing -

Throbert, IronFist, NYNana and applesweet - got your mail but AOcanburninhelL is not letting me respond. So I will thank you here, and respond later on.

'night all.

201 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:32:50pm

#193 RWC

just your typical Kerry voter


You nailed it! Get home soon! I may get some coffee so that I can stay up after 10:00.

202 Tweety  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:33:12pm

#15 TRT

"I'm loath to say this, but please let the BBC offices be the next al-Qaeda target."

Terrorists could behead all BBC staff and blow up all their offices worldwide and the replacement staff would still be calling them 'insurgents'/'gunmen'/'armed groups'.

The BBC World Service radio reporter from Gaza is now experimenting with the word 'fighters' to describe launchers of Hassam rockets at Israeli towns. This is probably because everybody now knows that 'militant' is code for 'terrorist'. After 'fighters' has been overused they'll switch to something else.

The BBC have beeen war correspondents on the side of the terrorists for some time. Now they're claiming there is no terror?

203 cdbdbcme  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:34:25pm

#198 reaganite

And as we all know panic is a form of terror

204 Sarah D.  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:34:31pm

#90 armytramp

It's enough to drive you batty isn't it?

I've been on the conspiracy kick lately. When a moonbat relative says anything remotely nutty.....I connect it to a conspiracy theory.

For instance: Debris pickup here has been a bit slow with all the hurricanes and everything. Idiot relative states that he bets all the wealthy neighborhoods have had theirs picked up already.

I agreed, an explained that I thought it was probably a direct order from the WH designed in some sneaky convoluted way to line the Bush Brothers pockets. Right?

I don't think they're getting my point....but it's kinda fun!

205 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:35:56pm

#201 Ann

Don't stay up for me sis......going over my cousins house - first time driving there - he is off of 50 near centreville - I am in DC...

Whaddaya think......give me about 2 hours or so :-P

NOW...goodnight all :-)

206 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:36:45pm

#203 cdbdbcme
I won't argue that point, you are correct. In my job, we're not prone to panic. But a dirty bomb is hype, not fact.

207 Ganzo Azul  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:37:26pm

Not all Brits are buying the BBC party line. This quote illustrates the valor of the Brits committed to success in Iraq.
Army hospital flooded with Green Zone explosion victims

Despite his injuries, Fitzpatrick remained positive: “When I heal up, I’m coming back out. This hasn’t put me off. My best friend died fighting this war and I’m not going to let him down. We’re winning this war and I don’t want anyone in America to give up.”
208 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:38:13pm

#195 Iron Fist

blasting Manson's Fight Song as loud as the Cruiser would go.


I'm now out on the screened porch blasting Blood, Sweat & Tears... Age talks!
And I'm in a hooded fleece. I look like Eminem;)

209 cdbdbcme  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:40:19pm

#205

Friday evening traffic is a "B"

210 cdbdbcme  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:41:14pm

reaganite

wish we were all trained not to panic

211 Fay  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:44:00pm

NY Nana:

I'll be in Brighton this time next week, going over for a couple of weeks to visit my family. I've been caught in numerous IRA threats over the years and not just in London but in small "County" towns as well. It used to be a matter of course to have security screeners with wands and bomb sniffing dogs at the entrance to most London shops. Guess the folks who work at the Beeb must be too young to remember.
/sarcasm

212 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:44:03pm

#205 RWC

give me about 2 hours or so


I'll wave hi to you when you pass the 50 exit for Fairfax... um, a couple of hours from now ;)

213 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:45:35pm

#210 cdbdbcme

wish we were all trained not to panic

Honestly, sometimes I wonder how people can panic. Then I walk out of my unit. Half my life I've dealt with men and women just like me and I forget that people don't have my training.

The bottom line is the GI Joe old motto. "Knowing is half the battle".

214 Albertadude  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:47:15pm

This is a bad joke.........have any of these damned fools ever read the Mein Kampf of Islam, the Quran or Hadiths??

The threat is layed out explicitly in the Quran for all of us members of Darul Harb!!

This only furthers the truth that our elites are as stunned and ignorant as all hell.......not that we are surprised at this......

I simply cannot beleive the ignorance here...........the islamic world is explicit in its intentions to us......9-11 is only the latest manifestation of Islamic tyranny against us for the last 1400 years.......

Along with Islamic terrorists, these elites should also be lined up against a wall and eliminated!! They are every bit as dangerous as the terrorists we are battling!!

215 Bubbaman  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:51:24pm

Anyone see this filth in the Washiton Post

Poor misunderstood Muslims - Bad, very bad Westerners.

216 cdbdbcme  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:53:11pm

#213 reaganite

The bottom line is the GI Joe old motto. "Knowing is half the battle".

I try to read as much as possible to know what to get excited about and what not to. Unfortunately, most people around me in the Northern VA area just panic. The LLL do live their lives in fear of the sky falling.

217 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:54:59pm

#214 Albertadude

I simply cannot beleive the ignorance here...........the islamic world is explicit in its intentions to us


But the MSM just won't report it. Fact. And they won't report it.

218 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:58:42pm

#198 reaganite,

You are entirely correct, but I think you are missing the basic direction of attack when using a dirty bomb. Mass death is not the objective. There are two goals:

1) Spread fear. Most people hear the word radiation, and it immediately causes anxiety. I use that myself when breaking in a new kyu rank. I tell them that my job requires me to be able to take radioactive sources out of moving machinery with my bare hands.

This is literally the truth. The fact that it is slowly moving machinery and that the gamma counter has to be shielded by 200 lbs. of lead to be able to sort the source out from background goes unstated.

Freaks 'em out every time :-P

2) Economic damage. Say they set off a bomb loaded with Cesium 137 on Wall Street. You have the economic cost of clean-up, the cost of moving everyone to alternate locations (although I hope that after 9-11 these corporations take disaster recovery planning really seriously. The money you spend today could just be interest on the money you lose tomorrow), etc. Plus the blow to consumer confidence, and other non-tangible effects.

Terrorism is primarily a psychological and economic weapon, at least for now (WMD can change that in a hurry). Even 9-11 only had ~3,000 dead. We lose ten times that (plus) in car accidents every year. We all still drive on the roads, and think nothing of it, even though the local car accident rate generally out performs (G-d, that sounds terrible) the local homicide rate.

Yet we still have nonsense about gun control being batted around. The rational doesn't always rule the decision-making process. Emotional and psychological issues come into play as well (and with the Left, it is increasingly psychological illness).

(Realize, I doubt I'm telling you a damn thing you don't already know, but a lot of the lurkers, and even some of the minions may not know it. I'm certainly not presuming to tell you your job :-)

219 HULUGU  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:59:03pm

what a poofter--this hit piece should be called "the impotence of illusion"--nothing new in this--just read about the french and english and their ostrich like approach to the rise of hitler in the thirties--paul berman's--"liberalism and terrorism" is THE book to read on this--the bbc is full of pomo homo philby quislings-watching it inspires nausea--churchill and the duke of wellington are spinning in their graves

220 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 3:59:37pm

OT
This morning when I went to work one of my guys was complaining of "cramps" in his gut. After lunch I watched him wince too many times so I sent him to the hospital. Man, I am so glad I did. I just got off the phone with him, he has to get surgery for an appendicitis!

221 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:02:14pm

#216 cdbdbcme

Unfortunately, most people around me in the Northern VA area just panic.


There is food, water, batteries, kerosene, etc. in this house. If I can get home, I will be fine.
Oh, and a .30-40 Krag down to a Glock .45. Ammo for all.
No need for panic. Preparation is much better!

222 cdbdbcme  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:02:16pm

Sorry to hear about your friend. Will be praying. Keep us informed as to how he's doing.

223 applesweet  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:02:22pm

Oh I can't take it anymore. I haven't read all the thread yet, and the insanity is overwhelming!

If all of these moonbats that declare there is no terror or danger were on the Titanic, they would ALL be moving their chairs up to the bow on the top deck. And that is what would make the damned ship sink!
There wasn't no stinkin' iceberg!

224 cantrecant  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:02:41pm

#50 tgibbs

I think that we do tend to overreact to the threat of terrorism. Even the WTC casualties pale next to the losses on our highways.

The vast majority of people are not personally touched by traffic fatalities or terrorist fatalities. There's no point in being afraid of either one on a day to day basis, but we do need to take vigorous action to eliminate terrorists as it is their fond wish to rival or surpass traffic fatalities.

Believe it or not, people aren't actually trying to kill each other on the road, but terrorists are doing their best to kill as many as they can as brutally as they can. That they only got 3000 out of a possible 40,000 or more on 9/11 is a tribute to their incompetence.

225 cdbdbcme  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:03:52pm

#221 Ann

Oh, we're prepared here too with all the fixings, too.

226 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:05:06pm

#218 Iron Fist

(Realize, I doubt I'm telling you a damn thing you don't already know, but a lot of the lurkers, and even some of the minions may not know it. I'm certainly not presuming to tell you your job :-)

Sometimes I miss the good old days of LGF when everyone knew what everyone does...

I must adapt to the new LGF!

227 Alan2  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:05:17pm

Did anyone else notice that Israel was not considered part of the West (or the terrorist attacks were not considered "Terrorist" enough)

228 armytramp  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:05:43pm

#204


Oh, haha.

All the wealthy people have all their booboos from the hurricane fixed, hunh?

Well, I tell ya. My parents used to live in a little town called Seaford, VA. Wealthy, waterfront homes. Got gobsmacked by Isabel last year. Many homes reduced to rubble, others badly damaged. Not ours, fortunately.

My parents moved in February, and I had heard a rumor that the new owner had been cutting down all our treasured trees, many of them decorative and expensive like the Japanese red maple. So, I drove down today to see if that was true in the hopes I could buy any he was targeting for the axe. Well, a couple are gone, but the most important ones are not. So, no biggee.

However, here's what I did see: it is over a year later, and guess what? All those wealthy waterfront homes are not back to normal or even liveable. Some are abandoned. Others are still being repaired or are being raised on huge stilts to have very, very high new foundations built under them to keep them from future flood damage. Any house that was not covered by flood insurance is a wash. Abandoned. Trees have still not been cleared, there is still debris, some houses have been demolished and they do not appear to be getting rebuilt.

So, for your conspiracy pal there, no the wealthy didn't get a ride. Some of them actually lost everything they had. It is a year later and things are still not back to normal, rich or poor.

If the jerks at the BBC are so certain there is not terrorist threat, how about getting the British government to drop those walls around Northern Irish neighborhoods? While you are at it, why don't you just open your borders and stop all checkpoints at airports?

If this is all just a trumped up conspiracy to keep you scared, then by golly, be free! Let everyone in! Check no packages, no luggage! Dump your visas, eliminate all passport requirements! Let every designated terrorist out of your jails!

Put your lives where your rhetoric is.

229 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:07:13pm

#222 cdbdbcme
Thanks, but he's a rugby player, just a minor inconvenience for him. What's a new scar to a rugby player?

230 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:07:34pm

#220 reaganite
Ugh. Let us know how he does.

231 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:09:34pm

#230 Ann
I will, he's pissed though, he was supposed to leave in the morning for Tampa!

232 cdbdbcme  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:12:03pm

military=rugby
Had an AF friend blow out his knee playing rugby. Rugby players are a tough sort.

233 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:17:19pm

195 Iron Fist

I left out of here pedal to the metal, blasting Manson's Fight Song as loud as the Cruiser would go.

Ya got the PT back, did ya'?...Life is good again...:).

234 Sarah D.  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:18:43pm

#228 armytramp

Everything is a conspiracy to the libs. It floors me. Another moonbat relative brought up that ever handy super-duper whopper of a conspiracy: The Water Powered Engine Cover-up.

Of course it's big oil (read Bushitler) that's doing the nefarious covering up.

Continuing on my latest tangent, I agreed with him and pondered on how the conspirators had managed to flummox every other country and every other budding inventor on the planet's attempt to create such a wonderful thing as a hydrogen powered car.

And......how that MORON Bush could be so damned smart and sneaky while still being a complete dumbass.

LOL! I have more fun agreeing with them than refuting their nutty ideas.

235 NTropy  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:18:45pm

::Nearing last notice time::

Sorry for spreading this to all threads but to any and all LGF lizardoids in Southern California:

LGF Southern California meet-up will be this Sunday, October 17 @ 2PM

We will be meeting at Yankee Doodle's in Santa Monica

A map can be found here.

I've gotten close to ten positive responses and a couple of sorrys. Email me if you can to let me know if you'll be there. But if even if you don't, that's okay. Drop by anyway and say hi anyway.

CHARLES - You're invited of course since you may not find the invitation in your overflowing email box.

236 zulubaby  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:18:47pm

Fay (#189)

When things like that are shown on television around the world, is it any wonder that there's Bush-hatred everywhere. The propaganda is fierce and the frustrating part is that we can do nothing about it.

237 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:19:51pm

#232 cdbdbcme

Had an AF friend blow out his knee playing rugby. Rugby players are a tough sort.

This guy was in Tallil, Iraq a few months ago. He was trying to catch a plane back to our unit in Kyrgyzstan when the terrorists rocketed his position. He walked out in shorts and a T-shirt, lit up a cigarette and asked, "what's up"?

238 cdbdbcme  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:23:04pm

#237 reaganite

Sounds like a little appendectomy is no big deal.

239 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:23:28pm

#233 Elcid
Hi 'Nole! 3 point spread with UVa. It's going to be a very good game, I think!

240 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:26:41pm

#238 cdbdbcme
I'm really not kidding. He's one of those kind of guys.

241 Fay  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:26:44pm

#236 zulubaby

Agreed. However, at this particular point in time I am not going to allow it to spoil my enjoyment of a particularly fine glass of a newly discovered (well, new to me) South African Shiraz. That, and the fact that Matt will soon be north bound on I5 to spend our last weekend together before my trip to the UK!

L'chaim.

242 Sarah D.  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:27:32pm

Elcid!!!! Had a fab Bloody Mary the other night (at a Red Lobster of all places) thought of you while I was munching the celery!~

243 zulubaby  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:29:16pm

L'chaim Fay :-)

244 EE  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:30:07pm

Kerry is close to the European positions in general. I have to wonder how seriously Kerry takes the threat of terrorism.

And what about half the people in the US? Have we forgotten?

I hope that in the days before the election, tv screens show videos of the horrible events of 9/11. We need a reminder.

The threat of terrorism hasn't gone away. But Kerryites fervently want us to forget, and don't want people to take it as seriously as it deserves to be taken. The combination of terrorism and the easy availability of weapons of mass destruction should be taken seriously.

And the Kerryites especially don't want people to ask themselves which candidate would be a better leader in the war against jihaditerrorism, and under which leader would the US be safer.

Is the BBC just being stupid in general, or are they trying to influence the US election in favor of their man Kerry? Because it is obvious to all that when terrorism is given the weight it should have, then Kerry is not the candidate that should be chosen.

245 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:31:32pm

So reaganite, did you remember the cannonball mission that grayp was referring to? There is plenty of time to get this figured out by January - that's a good month for birthdays!

246 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:33:59pm

#245 Ann

So reaganite, did you remember the cannonball mission that grayp was referring to?

I remember the mission, I just don't ever recall being told to contact you about it!

247 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:37:18pm

#242 Sarah D.
If my boss wasn't such an asshole, I'd be in your neck of the woods on Sunday.

248 Sol Roth  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:40:23pm

BBC Worldwide (shortwave) has, for decades, been respected as the most professional news service bar none. Their "dry" reading of factual news has fascinated and brought me what I thought was a clean, clear understanding of world events since I was a wee boy.

You just don't hear this Alex Jonesesque post hoc ergo propter hoc conspiracy rot on 5.975 MHz.

This is like finding out Chuck Conners was buggering Johnny Crawford. I'm gonna puke.

249 Rust Never Sleeps  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:41:36pm

All right folks. Time to face the truth.

9-11 NEVER HAPPENED. THE WORLD TRADE CENTER IN NEW-YORK NEVER EXISTED.
It was all made up in Hollywood. By those guy same guys who invented Auschwitz and the Holocaust and all that!

Now watch the Bergen-Belsen Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) for Moore information.

250 TouchDown  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:43:25pm
“If a bomb goes off, the fear I have is that everyone will say, ‘You’re completely wrong,’

But why would a bomb go off mr Adam Curtis?? Surely terrorism is a "myth"?

Seriously, I understand the BBC is an equal opportunities employer, but I don't think mentally retarded people should be making news documentaries.

251 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:43:33pm

#233 Elcid,

Better than it was :-)

I'm thinking about getting this little gem for it. I can't really decide whether to hot-rod the Cruiser or get a bike.

I can carry more Dollies in the Crusier, though :-P

Or more men and guns, if it comes to that.

252 wiseoldfool  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:43:46pm

This bozo and others like him need to be reminded about what kind of fanatics we are up against.

Osama Bin Laden's Letter To America

253 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:43:49pm

#246 reaganite

remember the mission, I just don't ever recall being told to contact you about it!


The difficult part is hiding it, so I could keep it here! The handover would be easy just before his birthday. So we think ;)

254 Sarah D.  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:44:50pm

#47 reaganite

Well dang. Here I was feeling pretty good about life, and you had to go and give me something to feel disappointed about.

Well, those sandbags aren't going anywhere anytime soon :-)

Tell your boss I think he's an asshole too!

[And to think I came that close to meeting the living speedos and goggles man!]

255 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:46:20pm

239 Ann

Hi 'Nole! 3 point spread with UVa. It's going to be a very good game, I think!


You are correct, it should be one hell of a game...and really I think Al Groh and his dudes will do it to the 'Noles. I've always liked Virginia.. with Groh even more so.
-------------------------------

242 Sarah D.

Elcid!!!! Had a fab Bloody Mary the other night (at a Red Lobster of all places) thought of you while I was munching the celery!~

God still have it don't I?...LOL.

256 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:46:30pm

#253 Ann
Day before mine, not likely to forget...

257 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:48:20pm

#240 reaganite,

Some people are too tough for their own good.

258 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:48:39pm

#254 Sarah D.
Monday, him, my commander, and I are going to have a meeting. His being an asshole is out of hand. He made a guy who has been on the road 2 weeks take the mission when I haven't been in a week.

259 cdbdbcme  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:50:46pm

Ya'll have a good night!

260 Sarah D.  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:51:09pm

#258 reaganite

Is he trying to stick it to you...or the other guy. Or is he simply and equal opportunity asshole?

261 kauaiterry  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:52:03pm

Getting back to the reason of why we are all here . . . I think that the BBC may be one to something. Of course their 2nd and 3rd premise of their statement is absurd, but the idea that "al Qaeda is a myth" has merit. To assume that the Taliban [bigoted word]s are still a major threat, gives them far more credit than they deserve. They were useful idiots who provided jihad training camps for any Muslim nutcase who wanted to meet an early death -- including Bin Laden. Since the US invasion, the lines have been blurred. Bin Laden may be dead, the Taliban is as good as dead, and whatever al Qaeda was then, no longer exists today. What exists in it's place is a comglomeration of itinerant terrorists, predominently from Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi-Arabia and Gaza, who operate under the al Qaeda banner.

It is good to have a name for the enemy, and al Qaeda is as good as any,
but the real enemy is "the religion of peace."

262 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:53:28pm

Iron Fist

Oh man do the Cruiser. Mucho more Dollies (and weapons of course)...the Bike puts bugs in your teeth...besides, if you get laid up ridin' the bike, that's just when I'd need ya' to clean out Gatlinburg...LOL.

263 reaganite  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:53:44pm

#260 Sarah D.
To me.

264 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:54:56pm

#255 Elcid

I think Al Groh and his dudes will do it to the 'Noles. I've always liked Virginia.. with Groh even more so.


I have been to more UVa games than FSU. I have to pull for my alum, but it would be a great coup for the UVa program... I just think that they are better than FSU this year.

#256 reaganite
Mine is the 26th. I'm in good company!

265 Duke Newcombe  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:56:47pm
Curtis points out that al-Qaida did not even have a name until early 2001, when the American government decided to prosecute Bin Laden in his absence and had to use anti-Mafia laws that required the existence of a named criminal organisation.

This is straightforward enough to debunk. Luckily altavista lets you search for web pages updated within a certain date range (unlike Google, which only lets you search for pages updated in the last x amount of time). Searching for pages/articles mentioning Al Qaeda/Quaeda/Qaida/Quaida before January 2001 yields pages and pages of results.

Here is a page from January 2000 mentioning Al Qaeda, there are many others.

266 Mentat  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:58:10pm

The BBC has been completely infiltrated by Islamists. They completely run the show there. Not a single critical thought concerning Islam is allowed to be broadcast or published. If you don't believe me, look at their website regarding Islam:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

267 Islamaphobe  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:58:57pm

Thanks for posting this marvelous example of extreme mental derangement on the political left. This is one for the archives.

268 Timbre  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 4:59:21pm

Daniel Pearl's father is scheduled to be on Geraldo's show. The advance clip quotes him as saying, "We are in danger as long as our troops are in the Middle East." Mr. Berg--I am so sorry about what happened to your son. It was horrible. But we will always be in danger because we are Jews, Polytheists, Disbelievers, and Infidels. Even Muslims who are kind to us are in danger. The location of our troops has nothing to do with anything. The Jihadi Muslims have been killing anyone who opposes them for 1300 years now, especially Jews. You should know this by now. I'm sorry to be blunt.

--T. B. Roberts
Midland, Texas

269 Sarah D.  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:02:38pm

#62 Elcid

I disagree. One at a time so he can concentrate. Us ladies like a man's full attention.

Iron Fist, go for the bike. You can carry the ammo in the saddle bags.....borrow a truck for the rest!

270 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:04:18pm

264 Ann

I have to pull for my alum, but it would be a great coup for the UVa program... I just think that they are better than FSU this year.

Of course you do, but I completely agree...I think UVa, is the better team, this year....Bobby Bowden, is one of, if not the best of College Coaches...last couple of years recruiting has been a problem...but then all of Florida keeps getting raided, for players, so much talent in the State, lot of talent slips by all the Florida schools.

271 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:05:53pm

Leave it to a liberal to intellectualize something that is medieval, primal and brutal in it's nature; a twisted bunch of barbarians who elect themselves leaders, teaches hatred, brutalizes their own people, oppresses women, represses free thought, beheads people, burns and dismembers bodies, flies planes into buildings to maximize death....they take that all that reality and try to redefine it as a bluff. As is they were really after money or some other tangible goal other than making the world submit to their twisted ideology.

God save us from "intellectuals" without common sense.

272 zulubaby  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:06:24pm

Mentat (#266)

Not a single critical thought concerning Islam is allowed to be broadcast or published.

No kidding.

273 Timbre  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:08:08pm

Too many murders. I meant to write that Nick Berg's father will be on the Geraldo segment. My apologies.

274 canadianwilderness  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:11:24pm

Oxygen is a myth, me and my friends have never actually seen it! I believe it's a scare tactic to prevent us from breathing in wonderful carbon monoxide. Don't believe these right wing lies!

275 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:11:55pm

#270 Elcid
See you tomorrow night around 7:45!

276 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:12:53pm

#272 zulubabe,

Well, Dolly, after all, we've seen how reluctant the MSM is to criticize Christians and Jews, haven't we?

Oh, hell, they routinely demonize Christians and Jews. My bad.

It's almost as if they had an agenda or something.

277 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:13:52pm

269 Sarah D.

I disagree. One at a time so he can concentrate. Us ladies like a man's full attention.

Yes I understand...but ridin' with a Lady/Dolly, with "full attention" means Iron Fist rides backwards...:).

278 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:15:14pm

#274 canadianwilderness,

I absolutely agree.

All Leftists should breath all the CO the want to.

It's their right to privacy, don'tcha know ;-P

279 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:18:01pm

#277 Elcid,

[Wicked chuckling]

(No further comment necessary :-)

280 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:18:25pm

275 Ann

See you tomorrow night around 7:45!

You got a date, lady...:).

281 Sarah D.  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:18:32pm

#277 Elcid

LOL! No! When he's paying attention to the road, she gets a chance to pay attention to HIM! She has him right where she wants him!


LOL!

282 Rose  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:21:48pm

PLEASE TAKE NOTICE
REPORTED IN AUSTRALIA 16 October
APPEASEMENT OF ANOTHER KIND-

ABERCROMBIE AND FITCH along with many other USA retailers have bowed to PETA who threaten to run advertising campaigns against them if they continue sell any AUSTRALIAN WOOL PRODUCTS.
PETA cites cruelty to animals by Australian farmers because of the practice of crutching and mulesing .
This is a practice which has to be undertaken to prevent the sheep dying from a far worse fate -that of Blowfly strike- in which the fly lays it eggs in the wool round the sheeps nether regions usually matted with manure' the Magots then slowly eat the living sheep whilst alive leading to a slow agonising death.
The Merino wool trade is worth $300 000 000 aud a year to our country and many many farmers have suffered hellish drought for the past 10 years.
They also wish to destroy the live sheep trade to the Africa and Middle East.
The people of these regions are often tribal and Bedoins
THEY DO NOT HAVE THE LUXOURY OF REFRIDGERATION
and have to keep their meat on the 'hoof'
I believe this has less to do with animal rights(- they do not seem at all worried about Humans starving in Darfur )but is the retaliation for Australia backing our friends in the USA IN IRAQ and in OUR RETURNING A CONSERVATIVE GOVERMENT to power.
PLEASE do not let these activists destroy trade between our countries- we do not support Terrorists and these are equal to those Islamic ones in Iraq.
I have no connections with any group, political, farm or business other than to live on my superannuation that is derived from company profits as is most super-
These people are seriously dangerous to your future
Thankyou
Rose

283 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:24:03pm

#281 Sarah D.
Yes, definitely the bike! Because...
Um, what you said -:)

284 lazytart  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:26:25pm

I can't believe you all are obsession on this NUISANCE...

Don't y'all know that Scott Peterson made anchors in his garage??

I swear... I'm watching it right now on Fox.

//

285 lazytart  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:26:50pm

OBSESSING. PIMF.

286 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:29:44pm

281 Sarah D.

She has him right where she wants him!

Ummmm, yep...and equally (fair and balanced, as Fox says)...he's right where he wants to be....Almost....;).

287 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:30:37pm

Goodnight, Guys and Dolls.

Time to go feed :-)

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Minions}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

288 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:31:37pm

Nite Iron...have a good one

289 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:34:38pm

lazytart

How's them games been with your 'flask'?...LOL.

290 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:35:17pm

#284 lazytart

I'm watching it right now on Fox.


I am too, and I need to change the channel. Fox sucks after 10:00 pm. But then I am not often up past then, so it is like watching a train wreck of meaningless crime stories...
So what are you drinking?
I just smiled at the cicada Burka comment that I remember;)
Oh, and now we have a streaker interview!

291 lazytart  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:42:54pm

Eclid,

They are patting us down. The ONLY place to hide your flask lately is your buttcrack (or the place Chechen woman hide their semtex....oy).

Husband is no longer able to hide flask in his boot or pocket. If you get caught, you're gone.

This is how they're treating alums (spending thousands$$$ per year for the priviledge)... utter BS.

What's a lady to do?

Ann,

LOL! I'm stone, cold sober. Isn't it tragic?

292 annelid[deleted]  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:44:27pm
293 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:49:05pm

Speaking of EXCITE...ahemmm.

Fri, Oct 15, 2004 Excite Today's (god dare I say it, especially tonight)...ok pole Poll.

Has the recent series of televised presidential debates changed who you plan to vote for?

Yes, I am now going to vote for Bush 6% => 799 votes

Yes, I am now going to vote for Kerry 9% => 1168 votes

Yes, I am now going to vote for another candidate 0% => 75 votes

No, I am still going to vote for Bush 43% => 5270 votes

No, I am still going to vote for Kerry 31% => 3819 votes

No, I am still going to vote for another candidate 1% => 155 votes

I didn't watch any of the debates 4% => 549 votes

I'm not sure 1% => 164 votes

I don't care 0% => 106 votes
Current number of voters: 12105

[Link: poll.excite.com...]

But ya gotta be a registered member to see the link

294 Rose  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:49:10pm

this does affect everyone on the planet

PETA Terrorists of another kind
ADDIT
They along with the GREENS have been the cause of massive loss of native fauna in Australia because they created fear over shooting and killing of foxes and other feral animals not native to this country. As a result timid native animals are are the verge of extinction for many it is too late.
They oppose culling of Kangeroos which because of farming and a plentiful supply of food have bred in such huge numbers in some regions that they now die of starvation- a bullet- kinder and quicker and the benfit of a trade in fur and meat.
Thse are serioulsly dangerous people who would see us starve rather than some cuddly creature die.
If they had their way the world would be awash with starving animals and humans, as all these veggie and grain eaters would find nothing to eat- the animals would have got there first- How do they propose to to protect the crops of organic foods -walls, fences- what is the bloody economy to run on?? Who Pays and supports these wankers THERESA HEINZ KERRY -WELL Heinz wont' mean beenz because the bloody animals will have rooted them out of the ground.
MAD- SURE AM

295 aaron  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:51:31pm

um, is this the drinking thread? (please say yes)

296 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:55:37pm

291 lazytart

They are patting us down. The ONLY place to hide your flask lately is your buttcrack (or the place Chechen woman hide their semtex....oy).


ROFLMAO...not that you're spending the money...the "buttcrack", made me toss my Bloody Maria, thank god gotta' fancy do pattern rug, can just mash it in with my foot...LOL.

297 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:55:50pm

#291 lazytart

I'm stone, cold sober. Isn't it tragic?


No, designated drivers are good! I should go home soon... -:)

298 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 5:59:03pm

aaron

You betcha'...pour yourself what ever you want, sip it, shoot it, gulp it....just keep looking at the bottom of the glass, mug, can, bottle or any other implement to hold liquid.

299 EE  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:01:21pm

It's amazing how news outlets and news gathering sources put their heads in the sand about terrorism.

The BBC is claiming that terrorism isn't a threat. But Reuters goes further and claims that there is no such thing as terrorism.

Here is an article about Reuters' refusal to distinguish between terrorism and other forms of combat, and their refusal to distinguish between terrorists and other combatants.
[Link: www.maarivintl.com...]

The reality is worrisome, so some news outlets and news gathering sources would just have us live in a dream world, a world in which terrorism isn't a threat, or a world where there is no such thing as terrorism.

300 lazytart  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:06:07pm

Eclid, LOL!!

I've got two of those downstairs, but somehow my 125 pound Golden Retriever year old adolescent male horny puppy choose to go UPSTAIRS on the beige carpet to lift his leg.

Asshole.

301 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:07:13pm

Aaron!
{Clink!}
I must thank you again for your work! I check your site everyday.
Yes, I have a very nice beer buzz... I hope that you have a bit of one, too!

302 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:08:38pm

299 EE

The msm is living in the 20th century...this is now the 21st...I don't think they have yet to really understand, the power that al-gore, wrought....;).

What is important though is those of us blessed to have internet and blogs such as your Liege, Charles the 1st, Instapundit, Powerline, Tim Blair...need to stick facts in the face of these propagandists, as well as the masses they say they 'serve'.

303 moosesinge  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:08:52pm

Regarding comparison of # of traffic fatalities to negligable terrorism losses of 3,000...

It is not as if people would be safer drivers if only we spent less time and resources on fighting terrorism and more on doing.............what?

Let's see, I know! We could....
1) Tell everyone to wear seat belts!
2) Arrest people who drink and drive!
3) Invest in research to develop....AIR BAGS!
4) Issue LICENCES to people to drive only after passing written and performance tests!

Yeah, if we just stop fighting terrorism, there would never be another traffic accident again (except when swerving to avoid airplane debris, building debris, body parts, and all those ambulances that just drive WAY to recklessly!

304 aaron  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:10:01pm
You betcha'...pour yourself what ever you want, sip it, shoot it, gulp it....just keep looking at the bottom of the glass, mug, can, bottle or any other implement to hold liquid.

Cool. Gin, no raisins. Maybe a little quinine water.

305 10Kan  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:16:19pm

#64

The IRA? Why, that organization is composed entirely of leprechauns, and nobody believes in leprechauns right?

Please trust the BBC and ignore all shilleaghings to the contrary. ;)

306 moosesinge  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:16:21pm

Can't Believe IT!
I finally get registered to comment, and I start off with spellink errerz. change an "a" to an "i", add an extra "o" and a close parenthesis to my last comment as appropriate

307 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:20:17pm

lucky 300 lazytart

Well have no fear, he keeps going upstairs, you'll soon have that fancy do pattern rug...:).

My two little lovely Welsh Corgi's...will not even if they bust, go inside. Although one of 'em gave a scare a couple of weeks agon he came down with HGE (Hemorrhagic Gastroenteritis) Hemorrhagic gastroenteritis (HGE) usually causes a very sudden onset of vomiting, bloody diarrhea, dehydration and depression. Dogs affected by this condition get very sick, very fast.

Two days in the Doggie Hospital with IV's and antibiotics saved the cute little bugger.

308 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:26:09pm

#303 moosesinge,

Wasn't my point, holmes.

The impact of terror is more psychological than direct on the average person. If you don't think that psychological impact is significant, then I envy you.

It sure has impact on me.

Psychological/emotional injury is the only way you hurt me. Physical damage is incidental. It may be potentially fatal, but you do what you can and go on. I almost lost an arm ten years ago, so I've been there and done that.

It is on the emotional/psychological that both Al Qaeda and the Democrats are attacking us.

And that was my point.

The economic attack would primarily be Al Qaeda, although the Democrats will try to make a flesh wound look like a death-strike if it will benefit them.

Even if it causes a flesh wound to become a death strike.

I apologize if I was unclear.

309 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:28:10pm

304 aaron

Cool. Gin, no raisins. Maybe a little quinine water.

raisins are for two kinds of people (in liquid libation anyway)...rich elitist heiress's and if you get 72, I think you are graced faced with an evil, false prophet.

Excuse me not spell checking...I'm enjoying Bloody Maria's and don't give a damn...lol.

310 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:29:05pm

#306 moosesinge,

And you manage to pick a fight with one of the meanest assholes on the board as well.

Ain't your night, holmes :-)

311 Darleen  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:29:15pm

#306 moose

Not to worry...we don't take off points for spelling errors...

:-)

Welcome.

312 lazytart  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:29:43pm

Eclid, awwwwwwwwwwww...:(

Hope he's OK now.

My dalmatian would rather DIE than go inside, but she is MY dog... my husband is responsible for the continuing parade of "hunting" animals who somehow manage to never leave our living room.

313 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:31:05pm

Hey Iron Fist dude...enjoy the feed? Welcome back...just on my third Maria...Tequila does strange things to and for people...

314 lazytart  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:31:22pm

G-d, I wish I had a bloody mary... maybe in the morning.

Kickoff is now until eight... start early..

315 lazytart  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:32:21pm

NOT until eight... I have lost the capacity to spell over the past three days.

316 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:35:35pm

lazytart
yep, thank you, Griffin is doing fine..cute, lovely little specimen of his species..his little brother Duncan, was just beside himself...first time they had been apart, since birth.

317 Ann  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:37:08pm

#314 lazytart

G-d, I wish I had a bloody mary... maybe in the morning.


LMAO!
I will raise a cheer to you with my coffee cup tomorrow morning!

318 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:39:19pm

#313 Elcid,

Haven't fed yet, so I'm still hungry :-P

I ran across a cool Sturgis T-Shirt on Ebay (Biker shirt; skulls, flames, Iron Cross, etc. :-).

I won my auction :-)

I noticed homeboy, well, not exactly dissin' me, but disagreeing with me, and felt compelled to reply.

It's all leftovers anyway. I cook about once a week, and then eat on it until I run out. I've been doing that for decades. I did it when I was with the previous Girlfriend (previous to the last one :-)

Me and the ex-wife were just happy on the occasions we could eat.

I may or may not hang around to fight. Depends on homeboy's response.

319 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:43:54pm

lazytart

I have lost the capacity to spell over the past three days.

Hey nice lady, we all have that problem...Think of the better things that really mean something of a monumental nature, as in for the first time Afghani women voted in the history of their ancient land...first time ever..amazing.

320 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:49:15pm

Iron Fist

Well my man should you need assistance (which I doubt) but should you, regardless where, give me a holler...as i posted to NY Nana...i'll be there to twist his head back around, as it was prior to disassembly.

321 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:53:41pm

#320 Elcid,

I really am going to go feed now. I know you've got my back, and I think homeboy and I have aired our differences. And I am hungry.

:-)

322 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:56:40pm

Someone here please advise me, via email...cause I damn sure ain't gonna remember it tonight, on how to post pic's.

As in out Knoxville area LGF meet up...you must see the gang of..ummm, what the hell wasw it Iron Fist 6-7 people. You really must see all...well not me, I took the pictures...but if you insist...your local Post Office with help you with mine....:).

But you must see, Iron Fist....as Jim Croce sang...bad, bad Leroy Brown...lol.

323 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 6:57:54pm

Enjoy the repast, Iron...

324 Elcid  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 7:07:58pm

Well the deck seems clear...time for a real Tequila drink...straight, salt on wrist, lemon quarter...enjoy the bite and the warmth of the liquid as it travels downward, exhale...let out a growl...and grin.

Good night ladies and gentlemen. See you...well here on the East Coast, later today.

325 armytramp  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 7:08:16pm

#282

Rose, I have a lot of friends in Australia and I like and respect the Australian people and traditions.

Please post links to information about these issues. I would like to post them on my website.

I hate PETA and am with you 100%.

I never cease to be amazed at the people who think getting out of the Middle East will solve anything. When Westerners weren't in the Middle East (before there was a Western culture to speak of) they brought the Middle East to the West with constant invasions. Just ask the Macedonians.

Wasn't that Iceland the Barbary pirate jihadi thugs raided in the 17th century? Got away with scores of white slaves for the pasha, they did. Wonder what Iceland did to deserve that. Must've been thinking about supporting Israel someday, I guess.

Before the USA had any military presence in the Middle East, jihadis were rading American merchant ships and enslaving our citizens. I believe that was as early as 1792. We barely had a country then, so would someone please explain what we did to deserve what they did to our people?

I also seem to recall that the reason Congress decided to develop a US Navy is because our citizens couldn't protect themselves from mujahadeen pirates. Americans were attacked as a part of jihad. In 1792! What did we do in 1792? Nothing! We were foreign infidels and fair game. All this crap about Israel is just an excuse.

Raiding and imperialist expansion is endemic to Middle Eastern culture and we didn't do anything to start it and we won't stop it by pretending if we just leave they won't come to get us.

It is Bedouin tradition to raid and pillage. It's how they keep the coffers filled. Jihad has a wonderful side effect: booty. Lots and lots of booty. You get to keep the spoils, and that includes turning your human spoils into slaves.

They've done it all before. None of this is new.

And history proves that the East began expansion into the West centuries before the West returned the favor.

326 Robert Schwartz  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 7:12:00pm

If Tony Blair doesn't shut that slime pit down and auction off the furniture, he is a fool.

327 Old Fart 43  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 7:37:53pm

Is Neville Chamberlain still PM? "peace in our time"

328 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 7:45:51pm

Damn, blood every where. One of these days I'm going to realize that too drunk to play with blades comes a long before too drunk to post.

'Til then, I guess I'l keep knocking chips out of my hands.

[Sigh]

It'll heal. But I hate bleeding all over everything.

It's just messy :-)

329 Grimnir Svithrirsson  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 7:45:57pm
"I don't think it would kill anybody," says Dr Theodore Rockwell, an authority on radiation, in an interview for the series. "You'll have trouble finding a serious report that would claim otherwise." The American department of energy, Rockwell continues, has simulated a dirty bomb explosion, "and they calculated that the most exposed individual would get a fairly high dose [of radiation], not life-threatening." And even this minor threat is open to question. The test assumed that no one fled the explosion for one year.

Now thats kinda interesting. about 10 years ago, they found an rented house with a number of dead middle eastern people inside. They finally discovered what had killed them was a piece of plutonium or uranium (I can't remember which) the size of a pea. They figured it took about a week to kill everyone in the house.

330 moosesinge  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 8:22:40pm

#308

Iron fist....

I am a bit confused though...In comment # 303 I was responding to a post by tgibbs # 50 from a bit earlier.

331 Sihlus  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 8:31:44pm

#252

Saw a bumper sticker years ago:

It tales leather balls to play Rugby.
332 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 8:55:15pm

#330 moosesinge,

I mentioned traffic fatalities earlier, and you left out an actual post number.

In the world I live in, a perceived threat is a threat. Perceived hostility is simply considered to be hostility.

And it is dealt with accordingly. Trust me on that.

(You can find a number of posters that will back me on that, I believe
:-)

If you did not intend me, I somewhat apologize.

It is standard etiquette to refer to the post to which you are responding. Not everyone does it, but most of us do, even when responding to friends.

It helps clarify things.

I thought you were picking a fight with me. As damn near any Lizard will tell you, that is a bad Idea.

It ain’t that I’m so tough, really. Not on the Internet.

I’ve got a lot of friends around here.

Understand that I am replying with all due respect. Nothing hostile at all.

I’m just saying that a lot of people got my back if we do get cross.

Da, Tovarishch?

If I made a mistake, I apologize.

As far as I'm concerned, we're square.

333 NY Nana  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 9:07:10pm

#200 RWC

Not to worry...we must be masochists to stay with AOL...

You must be fast asleep!

Fay...too tired to scroll back to your #...re the cbc???? I wish I hadn't read that one. We will be in Toronto, we hope, for 2 weeks, to escape the election angst...barring a terrorist alert, as then I will not leave the kids and grandkids. I avoid the cbc and the al-Toronto Star like the plague, and hope our multiple Bush bumper stickers do not get the citizens' knickers in a knot. Actually, I am more worried about the Americans staying at the same apartment hotel..they may be LLL types, and key the car..or worse, in the garage, although they have CCTV all over the place. We go up every year, and in 2000, we stayed for 2 weeks right before the election..never expected to go back with still no decision. If that happens this time? Oy!!!!! We already voted absentee.

Have a great trip! Say hello to London and Brighton for me..they were restoring the Royal Pavillion when I was there all those years ago. Our friends usually go to Hastings when we are there, and I love it. What got to me was what was a hotel..it was blitzed on a Sunday afternoon, during a Tea Dance, when boys in the Royal Navy were relaxing before going over to France...there is a plaque with the story, and also, I believe, the names...my maternal Grandfather zt'l was an Anglo Jew, who died before I was born, and I have always felt a tie to the UK...somehow I think that I will not be going again. We were last there in 2001. I had been going over every 2 years for a month, and stayed with friends in Bromley. Now, with grandkids, etc., we are not all that anxious to leave them that long! I regret not getting back to Brighton! That was, incidentally,also the name of the Boston suburb I lived the first 13 years of my life in.

Delta and Cam have my email addy if you would like it.

G'nite!

334 hector  Fri, Oct 15, 2004 10:57:24pm

The BBC employs too many muslim freaks and leftist intellectuals. The organisation should be closed down and the filthy parasites who work there should be exiled to Fallujah where they will soon find out the true nature of of our enemies.

335 Impi  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 1:07:57am

Extract from the article:

The Power of Nightmares seeks to overturn much of what is widely believed about Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida. The latter, it argues, is not an organised international network. It does not have members or a leader. It does not have "sleeper cells". It does not have an overall strategy. In fact, it barely exists at all, except as an idea about cleansing a corrupt world through religious violence.
Curtis' evidence for these assertions is not easily dismissed. He tells the story of Islamism, or the desire to establish Islam as an unbreakable political framework, as half a century of mostly failed, short-lived revolutions and spectacular but politically ineffective terrorism. Curtis points out that al-Qaida did not even have a name until early 2001, when the American government decided to prosecute Bin Laden in his absence and had to use anti-Mafia laws that required the existence of a named criminal organisation.

Yet, after just five minutes of searching, I was able to find a reference to Al-Qaeda in 1998 here. It's the press release of the 1998 indictment of Bin Laden and co over the African embassy bombings, and one paragraph reads:

The first count of the Indictment charges that BIN LADEN and ATEF, along with co-defendants WADIH EL HAGE, FAZUL ABDULLAH

MOHAMMED, MOHAMED SADEEK ODEH, and MOHAMED RASHED DAOUD AL-'OWHALI,

acted together with other members of "al Qaeda," a worldwide terrorist organization led by BIN LADEN, in a conspiracy to murder

United States nationals.

(See the indictment itself here, also mentioning Al-Qaeda many times.....)

If it's so damn easy to disprove just one of the unbelievably stupid claims made in this documentary, I can't wait till it gets totally fisked. Then again, I feel sorry for any poor sod that has to sit through it...

336 Impi  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 1:35:49am

#241 Fay

Good on you, I hope you enjoy it, there's some excellent wines from here. Don't feel bad about it either, from my experience most wine farm owners are not anti-American.

It's the damn ANC govt that's the problem.

337 Ben B  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 2:49:47am

An article written by people who make head-burying-in-the-sand ostriches look far-sighted.

Terrorism doesn't exist. Nazism didn't exist either. Hitler was a much misunderstood man; Goebbels told the truth as he saw it; Goering only wanted the revive the wholesome cameraderie of the Knights Teutonic. On the other hand, Churchill was an imperialist warmonger; the British declared war on Germany out of paranoia. . .

I've an uncanny feeling that we are re-living the 30's.

338 Pennies for Patriots  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 2:53:15am

Re: # 39 kathyn

"reaganite, you have my sincere apologies. My family is pretty much split in half. BDS has taken its toll."


Forget the Flu vaccine, we need a BDS vaccine. My family has been struck by the same pernicious contagion.

Depleted uranium, cutting soldiers pay, Bush oil conspiracies...

John Kerry is the Grim Reaper of rational thought.

339 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 2:59:58am

Don't worry Britain your safe in the hands of the Bbc. Stop the arrests, quite looking for the ghosts which don't exist. Shut down MI-5. Let hook out of jail. Open up immigration.

Alls well.

/Bbc off

Idiots

340 centaur  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 3:06:49am

How can any sane person deny the monumental threat if Islamic terror, much less the existence. And this is published by the BBC? My God. Bali, Beslan, Madrid... I agree that this might be the stupidist thing I've ever read, 'cause it poses as being intellectual. It is anything but.

341 bigel[deleted]  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 3:26:56am
342 Jed  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 3:55:37am

I feel so much better now that BBC tells us that terror is a myth. The relatives of those killed in 9/11, the Cole bombing, Bali bombing, and even those shot by the Muslim Washington snipers will be consoled.

343 zulubaby  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 4:21:04am

The BBC's hatred for Israel

Those who wonder why Israel was chosen as the state most dangerous to world peace in a recent European poll need only look to the European media.

A recent BBC film Israel's Secret Weapons, devoted to exposing Israel as a prime international threat worse than Saddam Hussein, is a prime example of how the European media vilifies Israel. The film was made prior to the American invasion, as part of an effort to delegitimate American efforts by showing that US ally Israel is by far the greater offender, and if anyone should be bombed Israel should be first.

--

In the 1947-8 War of Independence, British policemen and soldiers disarmed Hagana members and then left them among Arab crowds to be cut to pieces. The BBC is trying to do the same to Israel. By portraying it as the worst criminal state and by totally whitewashing Arab dictatorships, especially the gangster-ruled Palestinian Authority – which it casts in the role of the righteous underdog, fighting against oppression – the BBC tries to disarm Israel morally and politically. As the panel discussion indicated, it is no use pleading with the BBC for fairness, decency, or justice. It is determined in its mission.

It is time for Israel to recognize who its enemies are and to protect itself from them.

344 jemima  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 4:22:30am

#109 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

"Do any of YOU know someone who's been murdered?"

Yeah. A gay friend was bludgeoned with a baseball bat until "his jaw jellified" to quote the killer. There was blood on all the walls and the ceiling (splatter effect). Jack tried to hoist himself up using the refrigerator, there were bloody handprints all over it. He tried to get to the phone to call for help but Joe had planned for that and had taken it with him as he went to the city to sell Jack's stuff. Jack died on his kitchen floor alone.

If you haven't been touched by death, you're living in a fool's paradise. You have no sense of the fragility of life. You have no sense of how quickly life can change and how it cannot be repaired. It's an emotional immaturity. Unfortunately some people never attain adulthood.

345 Timbre  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 4:44:19am

Terrorism is a myth, huh?

From "Islam at a Glance," by S.D. Islahi, published 1977 by Islamic Publications (PVT) Ltd. at 13-E, Shah Alam Market, Lahore, Pakistan, marketed by Islamic Publications International, P.O. Box 247, Teaneck, NJ 07666:

pg. 196: "Jihad with physical force is enjoined against those who obstruct the way of Islam. This has to continue until the way is cleared. It is the final aspect of Jihad and its other name is 'Quital' (fighting)."

"The order for fighting has been given to bring the state of mischief to an end and to clear the way for a life that is governed by divine injunctions and steeped in the remembrance of Allah."

pg. 199: "Therefore as long as an un-Islamic system dominates a society, politically and ideologically, their minds will remain closed to Islam. Such a situation is likely to impede the advancement of Islam. This is how Islam views it. Anyone who appreciates the position of Islam stated above would be obliged to endorse this view."

"Force is to be used wherever its [note: Islam's] supremacy is challenged."

pg. 211: "Firstly: Physical Jihad is the best and most venerated form of Jihad. Secondly: It is the greatest act of piety, greatest act of prayer, and the best form of worship of Allah. When the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) was asked as to which was the best form of Jihad he (peace be upon him) replied: 'The best Jihad is that one should fight against disbelievers with his wealth and life' (Abu Dawud)."

No BBC, Jihad Islam is terrorism and its threat is worldwide.

346 Ben B  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 4:54:53am

#33 Lady of Shallott

You are right; leftism is a religion. It is faith-based rather than evidence-based. Adherents are immune to reason and dislike being faced with the evidence.

That's why they keep parrotting 'Islam is a Religion of Peace' rather than actually reading the Koran and Hadiths and deciding for themselves. Or, indeed, looking at the history of Islam, which must be the blackest and most brutal of any belief-system, from the early vicious elimination of Mohammed's opponents, through the atrocities against the Hindus in present-day Afghanistan and the massacres of the Anatolians, Greeks and Serbs up until the genocide of the Armenians. Of course, it's all still going on in Sudan.

347 Geepers  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 4:55:17am

Well the BBC's efforts to sissify Britain are paying off.

Britain apologizes to Germany for WWII

"It was a bleak and terrifying moment in the modern history of Brunswick," said Sir Peter in the nave of the cathedral. "How can we explain to our children the madness that was unleashed in those days? How can we explain that such a beautiful and historical city as Brunswick became the target of attacks from the air?"

By teaching the truth about Hitler and the Nazi's goals?

348 Ben B  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 5:40:06am

#345 Timbre

Thanks for your post.
Islam at a Glance, by S.D. Islahi, seems to be a good read; I'll recommend it to my leftist friends. I came across this extract:

''When someone openly affirms his faith in the Unity of Allah and the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace be upon him) he is considered a Muslim, even if he does not really believe it and fails to fulfill its practical implications. After affirming his faith he acquires the rights to which a Muslim is entitled politically and socially. On the contrary, if a person does not make a verbal admission and declaration of it, however much he believes in it, he will not be accepted as a Muslim. He will remain a non-Muslim and treated likewise.''

If this is not the supreme example of why Mohammedanism is a cult rather than a religion then I do not know what is.

349 zulubaby  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 6:01:37am

Vandals desecrate Jewish cemetery in Germany

Jewish cemetery in a small German city was discovered vandalized Friday by a woman visiting a grave, police said.

Nazi swastikas and other illegal and anti-Jewish symbols were scrawled onto grave stones.

There was no immediate indication of suspects, and it was not clear how long the graffiti might have gone undiscovered.

Savages.

350 metroman  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 6:39:36am

Terrorism in all of it's manifestations is evil. Because it is unleashed by non-combatants or at least non declared combatants. This is illegal activity in a global attack against freedom and democracy.

The BBC once again is misleading the people of Britain and the world and giving hope and encouragement to evil people.

351 Fisky  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 6:47:28am

Here's a blurb on Adam Curtis's series THE CENTURY OF THE SELF, shown on BBC Two in 2002:

*****************************************
...

The programme shows through previously untold stories how the vast apparatus for exploring and gratifying peoples' feelings was deliberately created from the 1920s onwards as a way to manage and manipulate the masses.

But this was not done out of cynical motives. The series shows how those who began this believed they were creating a new way for democracy to work in an age overshadowed by the threat of violent revolution and the dangerous mob.

At the heart of the story are the Freuds –

Sigmund Freud – who created both a language to describe the unconscious desires and feelings in the mind, and a technique with which to explore this secret world.

Edward Bernays – Sigmund Freud's American nephew who invented the profession of public relations. He was the first to show US corporations and politicians how to manage the public in a new way – by connecting with their unconscious desires.

Anna Freud – Sigmund's devoted daughter who believed people could be taught to control their inner drives. Her ideas captured the imagination of the rich and powerful in America in the 1950s – from Hollywood stars to the CIA.

The followers of Freud – psychoanalysts from Vienna who came to America and applied Freud's ideas to manage the secret desires of the self – like Ernest Dichter who invented both the focus group and lifestyle marketing.

The enemies of the Freud family – led by Wilhelm Reich – famous for believing in UFOs and the power of the orgasm. His ideas were the driving force behind the attack on Freud's ideas in the 1960s – but out of it came even more sophisticated ways for business to manage the self.

Matthew Freud – Sigmund's great grandson and – like his great uncle – a ruthless public relations operator. He became part of a new marketing culture that took over politics in America and Britain with New Labour in the 1990s. It is the flourishing of the dream his great uncle first had in the 1920s – that you can control people by feeding their inner desires.

Credits
Series Producer/Director | Adam Curtis
Executive Producer | Stephen Lambert

SOURCE: [Link: www.rdfmedia.com...]

******************

Curtis's career, like Michael Moore's, is built on the fashionable mainstreaming of conspiracy/paranoia theories we've come to expect from the fringes.

In SELF, Curtis takes Freud - a name synonymous with Jewry - and creates a 'narrative' in which Freud's family members become supersubtle archfiends manipulating public opinion. The Joo - er, the Freuds are so subtle, even those opposed to their theories play into their grand game.


It's THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ZIONIST ELDERS bleached of overt Jew-hatred.

From the description in THE GUARDIAN, the same pattern appears in THE POWER OF NIGHTMARES: THE RISE OF THE POLITICS OF FEAR. Curtis concocts a stew of 1/5th facts and 4/5ths speculation of varying degrees of plausibility to create an 'acceptable' form of conspiracy theory. As with SELF, those evil puppetmasters, the Jooooos, are behind the scenes.

People don't knowingly reach for poison. But they'll consume POWER, because it's cut with just enough plausibility to make it palatable.

Look for POWER to win lots and lots of media awards.

352 metroman  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 9:22:10am

Of course the use of terrorism as a political tool is indefensible in law abiding countries. And so to attack the Bush administration and the war on terror, the BBC has attempted to erase the strongest asset that the President has. Namely, his fight against terrorism which trumps all other issues in this election. The BBC cannot defend terrorism, or terrorists. They have chosen to promote their political agenda by ignoring the most incredible threat to peace in the world today.

I say terror exists. Terrorism is real. Terror kills. Terrorists strike out where they believe they can promote change that benefits their agenda. And there is nothing the BBC can say that will change my mind.

As for dirty bombs not killing people. I say look at the costs of cleanup. A dirty bomb is capable of inflicting minor damage on people, but can cause grave economic damage. This is the purpose of a dirty bomb. It was the purpose of the 9/11 attacks. And if the BBC wants to put their head in the sand, they can. I support President Bush and the War on Terror.

353 manofaiki  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 9:48:30am

OK, Citizens of Britain, listen up:

You guys have been great the last century.

No, you really have been. You stood up and were counted in WWI; you held the German horde back until the AEF could get there and help you finish them off.

Then your leaders went to sleep and f**ked up the peace, allowing Hitler to rise, arm himself, and basically violate every treaty Germany ever signed. Churchill tried to sound a warning, but nobody wanted to listen.

So WWII started, and you were lonely out on the Island for so long, being bombed and your ships were sent to the bottom by the U-Boats and you never quit or gave in.

You called Churchill out of exile and handed him the reigns, and he helped you to stand firm until, once again, the Americans came from across the sea to help you storm the beaches and end the threat of Germany once and for all.

During the following Cold War, you were a true ally and friend, helping to hold back the expansion of Communism, sending your troops and your aid to far flung places like Korea, and Vietnam. In the 1980's you elected an Iron Lady, Margaret Thatcher, who helped an American President bring the Iron Curtain down, liberating millions.

Ms. Thatcher was there to help keep another American President from 'going wobbly' when Iraq under Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. Once again, American and British troops fought side by side, enforcing international law and driving back invaders.

Another decade passed, and America was attacked on 9-11 and you were one of the first to offer your help as America brought the fight to the terrorists and their rogue state sponsers. In Afghanistan and then in Iraq your troops have fought as our partners in a coalition of liberty and freedom.

Now Tony Blair is an American President's closest ally in the War on Terror, a man who. like Churchill, stands on principal and does not waver, even when it costs him politically.

You have all been really. really swell. I want you to know that.

Because now you have simply got to do something about the BBC.

Every free society, if it is truly free, must give a voice to it's most divsive and corrupt elements. We have them here in America, and you do as well.

Only when such voices become mainstream and are given wide influence do they become dangerous.

Right now the BBC is attempting to lull the citizens of Britian into believing there is no danger, that the War on Terror is a sham, that there is no need for British warriors to be shedding their precious blood on foreign shores next to Americans.

This is a call for the citizens of Britain to remember their history of the last century. To remember those who cried 'Peace!' when there was no peace. To those who soothed British fears in the 1930's and ignored Hitler's rise to power.

Citizens of Britain, you have seen people like these BBC producers before. They cry peace when there is no peace.

Shall they fool you again?

May God forbid it!

A New Dawn of Liberty has risen in the Middle East, one that can lead to the stamping out of terror and the danger of rogue states using WMD's for all time, and now voices are rising on the Island calling for Britian to turn inward once again, to deny the fight for Right that has been set before Her.

I believe the Citizens of Britain are too wise to listen to such voices. In their hearts they know America's cause is just, and therefore it is their cause as well.

America is grateful to have Britain at her side as this battle is waged.

manofaiki

354 jlfintx  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 11:33:20am

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355 jlfintx  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 11:37:42am

Sorry that was:

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356 doubledip  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 1:44:53pm

Before I accept Adam Curtis' contention that terrorism is a myth, I first want to see a BBC segment on the MANY MORE myths in the Islamic community that currently give rise to the animosity and paranoia they feel towards the rest of the world (e.g. a focus on their pervasive Judeophobia, perhaps?). The Islamic worldview is FAR more apocalyptic and cataclysmic than the West. Hence, Islamists are in MORE need of an enemy for their religious storyboard than their secular 'kafir' counterparts.

357 doubledip  Sat, Oct 16, 2004 1:56:54pm
emphasis on the use of grand myths as a higher form of political propaganda created a group of influential disciples such as Paul Wolfowitz, now the US deputy defence secretary. They came to prominence by talking up the Russian threat during the cold war

-- Hungary in 1956
-- Czechoslovakia in 1968
-- Afghanistan in 1979
-- Newly-freed Uzbekistan
-- Newly-freed Tajikistan
-- Newly-freed Kyrgyzstan
-- Newly-freed Azerbaijan
-- Newly-freed Kazahkstan
-- Newly-freed Turkmenistan
-- etc.

To Mr. Curtis: Tell THEM the Russian threat was a myth during the Cold War.

358 tgibbs  Sun, Oct 17, 2004 12:21:12pm

#109 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

Murderers don't kill all that many people, either. Why fool with them? After all, it's not like it happens to that many people.

And in fact, our legal system displays a good sense of perspective regarding murder, probably because we have dealt with the problem long enough to develop a sense of perspective. We very hard to stop it and to punish murderers, but we draw the line at compromising our fundamental principles. Our legal system is weighted in favor of protecting the innocent from conviction, as opposed to maximizing the conviction of murderers, setting a very high standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt."

So while outrage is an appropriate response to an attack such as 9/11, fear and panic are not. As individuals, we are far more likely to die in accidents, or even be killed by an individual murderer, than to be the victim of a terrorist conspiracy. This is simply a comparison of risk; obviously, it does not imply moral equivalence. And as with murder, we need to be careful not to let fear provoke us into compromising our fundamental principles.


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