Here comes the new Judenhass, same as the old Judenhass.

Kurian will be on the faculty soon.

Vile...this is what's being taught at our universities, people!

I'm going to rephrase a comment here that I made on another post:

Why is there so much uproar in the MSM about Moslems being discriminated against, when we're facing, yet again, the demon of antisemetism---and this time, not from right wing facists, but from those loving, tolerant, oh-so-broadminded denizens of the liberal, progressive left? (I guess I just answered my own question; for the MSM, "Right Wing antisemetism bad, Left Wing antisemetism good".)

Talk about ignorning an elephant in the living room! This is a fire breathing, venemous dragon! We have got to wake up and oppose this, or WW II is going to seem like a jolly little Sunday School picnic, before this is over and done with!

unrelated new story

MEMRI TV Project: Secretary-General of the Egyptian Labor Party: 'Those Who Bomb Fallujah Cannot Prevent Me from Bombing Los Angeles'

[Link: www.memri.org...]

Why do you think I changed Majors... These FREAKS run most of the poli sci departments. I couldn't deal with them and the progressiveness; IE hate. I am not say I know he is a poli sci major but BOY does he write like one of the looney toons I use to have to sit by in class.

That citing of Jewish overrepresentation--typical of leftist thinking. If any group is overrepresented it must be some sinister plot and/or they must be using it to oppress others. Hence this guy thinks quoting the Jew-stats is automatically some damning evidence against them. Hence Soros apologizing for being a rich Jew.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jews were disproportionately successful, at least in some fields, in other societies too, before they were wiped out. Hence the Hitler complaint of "Jewish" physics.

And to quote Finkelstein?

My Mouth falls open.

Apparently we see something very vile sprouting up in this university.

Oh, not that I think Jews will be wiped out here (in the U.S.)

Read this very carefully, Kurian.

Julius Streicher: Follow his path, share his fate.

#2 alegrias

That's pretty funny.

What the hell are these KIDS being taught that makes them hate the Jews so much and sympathize with the Pali's??

In my days in college (which was only 6 years ago) I dont remeber this much hatred being on display. Maybe I was to drunk to realize it...but there was some liberal bias in the teachings, but nothing like what I read about today.

These institutions are supposed to teach our kids to go out into the world and contribute via the sciences and arts. Yet all I see coming out of MOST of these cesspools is a crop of professional protestors, and wanna-be victims.

The Jewish students at those schools didn't get in through affirmative action or Holocaust guilt, if that is what this assclown is implying. Can't trust anyone that relies on Normal Finkelstein.

Ah, the old ruse...

Jews are "privilaged", which explains the disproportionately large number of grad students of Jewish extraction in the most notable Universities of the land.

But what ever happened to the idea that Jews culturally are driven to academics, the professions, business and entertainment due to their long history of almost outrageous dedication to schooling, learning the Talmud, encouraging outgoing 'performance' art, and generally being among the world's most irrepressible bons vivants?

I mean, Mr. Wingnut could have easily replaced "Jew" with "Asian", and have been just as or more righteous about the issue. Or, Kurian could have easily decided to single out Republicans (who are disproportionately represented amongst the masters and graduate students at most universities). Why not these?

It is so simple: because of all the groups on the planet that have a sense of self, the Jews have a most self-critical view of their culture. You don't hear of a bunch of Republicans saying "Gee... maybe we aren't the greatest, maybe we've made our share of mistakes". You don't see the whole of the Asian community saying, "Gee, maybe we are a bit to driven, too (whatever)".

So, insofar as I can tell...

"Status normal: nothing to see, move along"

GoatGuy

Jews, on the aggrogate, are white people. What's the fuss? He/she with the highest test scores, skills, and extra-curriculars gets the fat letter in the mail.

Just say "no" to affirmative action.

I don't get what this shmuck is saying. Too many Jews in Ivy League schools? We have a culture where education and human life is valued.

We come bearing the gifts of Fonzie, Seinfeld, and Joey Ramone. We're contributing to America, here. Geez.

I got sick to my stomache reading that load of tripe.

Ugh. I want to take a shower now.

Aggrandizement?

What kind of word is Aggrandizement?

"The act of aggrandizing, or the state of being aggrandized or exalted in power, rank, honor, or wealth; exaltation; enlargement; as, the emperor seeks only the aggrandizement of his own family."

Does he possibly mean that the top 10 universities, where as he put it "Jews enjoy shocking overrepresentation", it is because the admission boards are pre-dispossed to accepting Jews? That somehow jews are given power and rank in admissions? It is not based on test scores? Grade point averages? Nope, just if you were lucky enough to be born into a jewish family.

What a nut case, and worse, a dangerous nut case.

Aggrandizement?

OT

So, it this left wing or right wing?

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Kidnappers seized the British-Iraqi head of an international charity group in Baghdad Tuesday and later she was shown sitting anxiously and alone in a video broadcast by an Arabic television station.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I hope there are counter demonstrations and mass opposition to these people on the campus.

When I see stuff like this, I wonder:

Did we really win WW II, or will that conflict, ghastly as it was, turn out to be a (comparatively) small battle in what turns out to a much ghastlier, bigger war as those forces that hate all life try, once again, to wipe out those of us who love it!

/And, of course, for the life-haters, the Jews are going to be at the top of their little list---they always are. The Jews love life.

I believe this comes from two sources:

1 Islamiztation of world believes. The Radical islamist are pushing Jew hatred onto all of society

2 Socialist are pushing a value and religion free society so they are attacking Jews and Christians to push them out of the mainstream.

Fritz's Thoughts

#12 mad_scientist

One thing I think really changed the dynamic--9-11. Then "Muslim" became synonymous with "victim", no mater where they were or what they did, no matter how moderate or radical, and those opposed to radical Islam became the enemy.

I think they were anti-Israel before but 9-11 really let them express it without fear and solidified what their new cause would be since South Africa and defense of the Soviet Union.

I wonder if Mr. Kurian believes Jews are "overrepresented" at these prestigious universities because they are outstanding students or their parents possess undue influence?

If the former, does he advocate discrimination to counterbalance their success?

If the latter, does he have any evidence--or just the psycho-babble of Palestinian terrorist supporter Norman Finkelstein?

If you follow the link, you can enjoy the privileges white skin affords you and post feedback to the article.

OT:

Folks, I just heard Deroy Murdock talk on KSFO about his new website HusseinAndTerror in which he details the extensive connection between Hussein and Al Qaeda. It's worth checking out. Here's a money quote:

Thus, there is abundant and undeniable evidence that Saddam Hussein provided money, diplomatic services, shelter, medical care, and training to terrorists of every stripe, including those complicit in the 1993 WTC bombing and — according to a Clinton-appointed federal judge — the September 11 attacks. The Iraqi dictator aided al-Qaeda and other global terrorists who murdered Americans, both at home and abroad.

Actually, I guess the way some vilify Turkey, not even the more moderate Muslim nations get credit. It's only the radicals.

on #5

I linked it up before watching it, YOU MUST WATCH IT!!!

(i meant to type news and not new)

#19 applesweet

It's the Hate-Life Wing.

There's a good book on the subject of the hijacking of our universities by liberals...

[Link: shop.wnd.com...]

Now they've fully indoctrinated Duke University students into full blown anti-semitic, pro-terrorist propagandists.

They must be so proud.

There's already a letter to the editor about this, in today's Duke Chronicle:

Representation of Jews flawed

No matter the college percent population or the amount of monetary funding a group has or can offer illegitimates a person or a group’s right to actively disagree. Although Phil Kurian’s flawed column, “The Jews,” tries to tiptoe around it, he echoes the very idea that has fueled anti-Semitism for decades.

The 92,000 people who signed the petition are not identified as Jews, but as people of conscience who object to an organization that refuses to condemn terrorism. And I would imagine that many of the signers were black, white, Asian, Jewish and Christian. As much of the world, and this country in particular, fights a global war on terror, this very sentiment, whether or not you agree, should be allowed and understood.

Even worse is when Kurian tries to diminish anti-Semitism since most Jews do not have the visible differences that many other minorities who face racism have.

Jews certainly cannot “renounce their difference by taking off their yarmulke.” They do not wear their religion and heritage simply upon their heads. They have an identity, although it might not be totally visible, just as ingrained as African-Americans and other minorities.

Racism and anti-Semitism both continue to resonate throughout the United States and the world. And while it is obvious that there is a distinct difference between the two, both are sentiments that must be battled, and the sensitive feelings many have towards them should be respected even if they are not understood.

Judd Fastenberg

Trinity ’08

#7 G Soros, and all the other leftist jewish people who will vote for Kerry are discrediting themselves greatly.

Why would they do this? Did they vote for Hitler too?

Confused, not anti-semitic...

OT

Sinclair DC Bureau Chief fired

[Link: www.wtopnews.com...]

Mr. Leiberman complained that the show was an effort to sway the election. The article didn't mention whether or not Sinclair was following CBS's practice of using fabricated evidence...

As a white man, this comes as a bit of a relief.

/sorry, couldn't resist

But seriously, this is very dangerous. If the campus thought police take their hate speech codes seriously, and not just as a weapon to shut down any opposing viewpoints, which they don't, they should crack down on this stuff now. I'd say they should crack down before it gets violent, but it's too late for that.

Many above have said it much more succinctly than I can but it seems to me that Jews value education. As a result, they enjoy higher percentages of university enrolment, higher percentages in professional fields, and yes, higher percentages of Nobel awards. Oh, the horror...

TalkinKamel #29

Ummm, maybe this creature has more than two wings?
I wonder what they intend on doing with her?

#33 just right of middle

Mr. Leiberman complained that the show was an effort to sway the election. The article didn't mention whether or not Sinclair was following CBS's practice of using fabricated evidence...

Exactly. And funny how those pro-Kerry idiots never actually want to address the evidence put forth -- they only want to whine it'll hurt their boy in the election. Why don't they ever counter the evidence?

Because the truth is the truth and they can't.

Only the California Institute of Technology has an undergraduate Jewish population below 10 percent, and four schools have particularly stark Jewish advantages—Harvard (30 percent), Yale (23 percent), UPenn (31 percent) and Columbia (25 percent). Keep in mind that, at best estimate, no more than 3 percent of all Americans are Jewish.

Uh, Mr. Kurian, wouldn't that be consistant with Tikkun Olam?

To: richard.brodhead@duke.edu
Subject: "The Jews", Duke Univ. Chronicle, Oct. 18, 2004
Date: 10/19/2004 11:38:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time

Richard Brodhead
President, Duke University
207 Allen Bldg
Durham, NC 27710
(919)684-2424
richard.brodhead@duke.edu

Re: "The Jews", Duke Univ. Chronicle, Oct. 18, 2004 ( [Link: www.chronicle.duke.edu...] )

Mr. Brodhead:

I must denounce in the strongest terms the Jew-hating polemic in your University's newspaper: "The Jews", Oct. 18, 2004 by senior Philip Kurian.

If "Jew" were replaced with "black" in such a gratuitously inflammatory and deeply racist article, you'd have violent protests at your University.

Has your University no decency? What kind of person are you to allow your University's name to be disgraced through support of racism?

I am going to forward this message to as many colleagues as possible in academia and in the press, both conventional and new media.

Sincerely,

ScotSilv

Only the California Institute of Technology has an undergraduate Jewish population below 10 percent, and four schools have particularly stark Jewish advantages—Harvard (30 percent), Yale (23 percent), UPenn (31 percent) and Columbia (25 percent). Keep in mind that, at best estimate, no more than 3 percent of all Americans are Jewish.

Alright, time for some Jewish parents to start encouraging their kids to apply to Cal Tech. ;-)

The Kurians and Pat Buchanans of the world will just have to live with it.

22 flehman

Yep, the Muslim world has not skipped a beat in its admiration of Adolph Hitler...

IMO, this is one of the biggest untold stories. Racism is inherent to, and widespread throughout, the Muslim world. And the West is responsible for making Muslims feel that their racism against Jews is justified. Treating the Palestinian terrorists as different from Al-Qaeda can only lead to the conclusion that Jewish civilians uniquely deserve to be mass murdered.

As LGFers know, racism, hatred, oppression, and brutality are rife in the Muslim world. And so it will be until the followers of that vile religion are forced to reform.

Why would they do this? Did they vote for Hitler too?

Oh please.
Why don't you go focus your gaze on the near 50% of americans who are going to vote for Kerry.

Why the fuck do you care so much who the jews are going to vote for, or are you lining up a scapegoat in the event Bush loses 'cause of FL?

You've brought this up in several threads.Something here stinks.

Does anyone know if Bala Ambati is still writing opinion pieces anywhere?

Duke's Chronicle could use his sane voice again.

I thought Ranbutan's last name was Kennedy?

#42 Maine's Michael

You've brought this up in several threads.Something here stinks.

Big time. This individual bears watching.

The leftist Jew-hating attacks and antisemitic University indoctrination must stop - now - before Jews are forced to take matters into their own hands.

My family, for one, used the JDL years ago to bash heads (quite literally, with nunchoks) of Jew-hating hoodlums who were obstructing my father's pharmacy. Several required hospitalization.

I do not want to see this type of action - or worse - become necessary again in this country.

OT:

Hey Iran, we really really really mean it this time, one last chance

Ok, this klutz makes some good demographic points about the "overrepresentation" of Jews in elite colleges (the same could be said for high-paying sectors of the economy: law, finance, Hollywood, etc).

Of course, there are other groups that are over-successful: Chinese-Americans, Korean-Americans, Thai and Indian-Americans, etc.

I don't see what the problem is.

Oh wait...if you believe that the purpose of government is to TAKE from those who HAVE (money, sucess, etc), then it stands to reason that Jews -- even if most are liberal and/or Democratic -- are an oppressive class. And if you are going to UP the numbers of blacks and other politically correct "minority" groups, then it stands to reason that some groups are going to lose.

In the past, those groups weren't identified: whites, males, white ethnic Catholics, Italians and Irish, etc. Now it appears that Jews -- despite being a staple of the Democratic Party and among the liberal elite in most major cities of the USA -- are going to be targeted.

Not unlike what I predicted, along with the fate of Israel in the Democratic Party. Liberal Jews who thought otherwise were fooling themselves. When they bought into this whole "victimization, anti-Apartheid, diversity" baloney, they bought the WHOLE package. You don't get to pick and choose.

Caveat Emptor.

Who is Norman Finkelstein?

Among the top 10 universities, Jews enjoy shocking overrepresentation

This is mostly due, of course, to blatant cultural bias in the SATs. Or have we forgotten all those dredel-related SAT math questions, or the requirement to conjugate the verb esn?

Hey Phil, Jews are "shockingly overrepresented" at top universities because they frickkin' well achieve. This is a concept with which you will, of course, be unfamiliar.

#44 Ed Moran, recipient of hate mail from HWSNBN,

Ranbuchanan, you mean? Apparently he has minions.

I'm so sick of these jews being all, uhm, smart and successful.

NEA has been at it so long that we have left all the children behind (well, at least this one) in a big way. He's sensitive (about his hatred), but believes all sorts of fairy tales...interesting. Maybe more history should have been taught.

I'm trying to figure out how he thinks having 6 million of your cultural group eliminated in a methodical, anal-retentive manner is something that just cause people to take advantage of the "rest of us" for no good reason.

I liked the part about being over represented. I recall it took me being prodded to get off my butt in the second semester of senior year to apply to college, just so they'd let me in. Seems to me it's all about choices and socail engineer not coming along and telling you to do something you don't care for. Next thing you know, he'll advocate going and pulling people out of their jobs and forcing them to attend colleges and universities, all in the name of some bizarre conceptualization of "fairness."

He's funny, in a very sick sort of way... does he have a shaved head and swastika tattos? Wait! That would make him part of the VRWC...and liberals can't have that! LOL

Let's all hope that the commies at Duke wake up like this guy did!

Confessions of an ex-Commie

OT

It's not up on their website yet, but:

In the Name of God, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful

The Canadian Islamic Congress Friday Bulletin
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - Ramadan 5, 1425, Year:7 Vol:7 Issue:120

THE CANADIAN ISLAMIC CONGRESS
MEDIA COMMUNIQUÉ

October 19, 2004

FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY AND WORLD PEACE, ISLAMIC CONGRESS URGES AMERICANS TO VOTE GEORGE BUSH OUT OF OFFICE ON NOV. 2

Two weeks before the American presidential election, the Canadian Islamic Congress believes it speaks for many Canadians of all backgrounds in urging their American neighbours to vote George W. Bush out of office. It is chiefly the current administration's policies that have bred ongoing death, destruction and misery in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine and made the world unsafe for Americans and all of us.

Since Bush took office four years ago, countless civilians in all three countries -- young children, women and men -- have died agonizing deaths. As the carnage continues, we cannot even begin to get accurate information on how many human lives including Americans are being sacrificed daily to Washington's policies. Not only has the Bush administration continued the decades-long oppression of Palestine; they have added Afghanistan, and then Iraq, to the mounting toll of unreported deaths in the name of "freedom."

It is time for Americans to stand up and reclaim the real seat of power in the Oval office of the White House. It is time for all citizens to unite around true democracy, to honour their nation's historic Declaration of Independence, their Constitution, and the high moral ideals upon which their country was founded.

President Bush has clearly forgotten, or never knew, the lofty principles upon which America took root. He has made no effort to work in good faith with the United Nations or the international community to contain terrorism and overcome injustice. On the contrary, policies carried out under his watch have provoked even more terrorism in Europe, Asia, and Africa. Citizens of the U.S. and all other countries deserve better from the American administration.

Four more years of the same belligerent stance toward the rest of the world will serve only the rich, the powerful, and the tyrannical, who want only to exploit and exhaust both the human and natural resources of
this planet. The inevitable result will be more death, destruction and human misery, with weaker nations bearing the brunt of fewer options and dwindling resources.

For the sake of world peace and for the good of U.S.-Canada relations, the CIC hopes and prays that George W. Bush is decisively voted out of office on November 2.

I think it is wonderful that the school would print such an article. Why? It reveals the hatred that is engendered within so many people. Our Constitution explicitly states a freedom of speech and freedom of the press. In principled fashion, the paper printing Mr. Kurian's diatribe should have allowed an opposing viewpoint. I suppose that would depend upon whether the paper was interested in a frank discussion of opinions or was interested in mindless race-baiting.

Apparently, Mr. Kurian is a good scholar ([Link: www.bnduke.org...] It appears as though one of the things he didn't learn "while growing up black" was tolerance. Unfortunately hatred does not care about race or academic ability. It can develop anywhere.

I was working in a restaurant in Charlotte in the early 80s, and one evening I got into a religion discussion with an African-American gospel Baptist who worked there as a dishwasher. He was very interested in Judaism, and after an evening of easy back-and-forth about our differing views and the history of our religions (and the things we shared, religiously and liturgically speaking) he looked at me and said, "You know what your problem is? Everybody thinks you're white!"

I particularly enjoy the suggestion that Jews ought to be mindful of our privileges and behave ourselves. I guess we might have our privileges revoked if we get too uppity!

scotsilv - excellent posts! i will take off your letter to richard brodhead in writing my own. thanks.

The same Philip Kurian wrote "The case for a new affirmative action" in Janurary of this year.

He is obsessed with who else is getting an education.

A little bit of sophistry in the piece. He claims he would support the right of the Ku Klux Klan to organize a political meeting on campus, but something tells me if the Campus Republicans or similar group tried to organize a big conference, he'd be the first out there protesting.

Geez.. yet another person to cross off the list of people I admire/like/listen to:

Mike Krzyzewski
KRS-One
Alan Parker

(#49) Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C

A poli-sci "professor" at Depaul.

This is how he describes himself.

How does anyone know how many Jews are enrolled in any given institute? All of the forms that I had to fill out that asked my ethnicity never asked if I was Jewish, just white non-hispanic.

Now, allowing that the statistics are true, instead of decrying the Jews for their disproportionate enrollments, the Jew-haters would do better to ask what the Jews are doing better and then try to emulate their success.

The only real question to ask is how long is the Jewish community going to support a party that hates them so much?

This student is a blatant RACIST and is a disgrace to the
Duke student body. He writes his opinions as if they were fact, without actually doing any research into the matter. And, siting some statistics about the percentage of Jews at specific top universities, does not qualify as research. This student has no future as a writer in the real world, unless he wants a job with the KKK. Veryoffensive!

Philip Kurian.

Wonder if he's Armenian.

If so, wonder how he feels about Turks.

#31 SoCalJ

I'd edit Fastenburg's letter by referencing Jew-hater in lieu of anti-Semite. Otherwise, he's on the right track- although, had I wrote the letter, I would have directly identified kurian as a Jew-hater.

kurian is beneath contempt. Jew-hater.

OT
"Spanish police have detained seven people in an operation against a network of alleged radical Islamic activists in Almería, Valencia, Málaga and Madrid. Police say it's thought the group were planning to park a lorry packed with 500 kilos of explosives next to the National Court in Madrid."

[Link: www.typicallyspanish.com...]

- I thought voting for Zapatero's Spain and pulling Spanish troops out of Iraq would prevent a terror attack in Spain ever again.

/LLL delusional mindset

My respect for Duke is dropping by the minute:

Duke Senior Philip Kurian Wins Melcher Award for Excellence in Journalism

DURHAM, N.C. -- Duke University senior Philip Kurian has been named the 2003-04 recipient of the Melcher Family Award for Excellence in Journalism for "Journeys in South Africa," an article that reflects on his immersion in the lives of two Cape Town families.

The award will be presented Saturday, Oct. 2, at the Centennial Gala for The Chronicle, Duke’s student newspaper, by Duke’s DeWitt Wallace Center for Communications and Journalism.

Kurian’s article, which appeared in the October 2003 issue of The Chronicle magazine "Towerview," explored in-depth issues of racial identity, analyzed the progress of apartheid reforms and compared and contrasted racism in South Africa and the United States. Kurian said he sought the experience in order "to immerse myself in a society wholly committed to the healing of its collective wounds."

"We received some excellent submissions for the Melcher Award this year, but Philip Kurian’s stood out," said Duke’s Associate Vice President of News and Communications David Jarmul, a selection committee member. "He wove together on-the-scene reporting with personal reflection in a compelling examination of social changes unfolding in South Africa. It’s difficult to sustain this kind of narrative in a long magazine piece, but Philip pulled us in and made us care about the people he was describing."

Don't expect him to be taken to task by the Duke administration over his blatant Jew-baiting.

we do well academically because we haven't done manual labor since the pyramids in 2500 bc.

seriously, though, the same argument that the Ivy's were "overrun" with Jews was made in the early 1900's. Harvard especially went out of their way to limit the number of Jewish students to pacify the WASP-ocracy.

Somewhat OT:
These people are of the same mindset as the ACLU. According to CNN, the ACLU turned down over $1 million from the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations because "ambiguous language in the grants could foster impediments to free speech." What is that ambiguity?

The Ford Foundation now bars recipients of its funds from engaging in any activity that "promotes violence, terrorism, bigotry, or the destruction of any state."

The Rockefeller Foundation's provisions state that recipients of its funds may not "directly or indirectly engage in, promote, or support other organizations or individuals who engage in or promote terrorist activity."

Those lunatics are concerned such language will prevent them from defending the rights of all Americans. Thank God the president can recognize a terrorist and defend Americans from them!

SoCalJustice,

They have a well-worn headline cliche at Fark.com that seems especially appropriate:

Duke Sucks

59 forever banned

Brodhead was Dean of Yale College before he went to Duke.

He was one of a number of Yale officials who ignored my pleas for help when two Yale senior professors tried to misappropriate my intellectual property and defame me when I resisted, aided by a Yale associate general counsel (lawyer) who had never passed the Connecticut Bar Exam.

Yale is the University whose "Divest from Israel" campaign spokesperson is Rod "Captain Kink" Swenson.

[Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]

Who Is Rod Swenson?
At Yale, as at several other Ivy League colleges, there's a fringe movement to divest the university from Israel. The Yale Daily News reports that the "alumni spokesman" for the divestment campaign is one "Rod Swenson MFA '69." According to the Web site of the defunct punk-rock band the Plasmatics:

With credentials that included an MFA from Yale, and creation of the legendary Captain Kink's live sex show theatre in Times Square, the Plasmatics was put together in 1978 by radical anti-artist Rod Swenson around lead singer Wendy O. Williams.

Williams, who died in 1998, "was a shock-rock queen who rose from the ranks of the porn industry where Rod Swenson, her companion of over 20 years, featured her in the live sex shows he promoted," according to this biography.

My buck o'five (and I'm not feeling particularly generous):

Sir:

I read, with disgust that nearly made me vomit, the vile tripe published in your school newspaper by a Duke senior. Apparently, your university not only gives known associates of terrorists a platform to gather and discuss their hatred of Jews and the state of Israel, now open hatred disguised thinly as something scientifically studied due to it's use of statistics and percentages is used to support a completely idiotic conclusion is published as racist gospel in your paper.

I'm curious, had the description "Jews" been replaced by "African Americans," would that have been an acceptable article to publish? Were it to discuss how Asians are in colleges in disproportionate numbers to their presence in the general population as some sort of "take-over" attempt, would that be considered perfectly legitimate?

I find it difficult to understand how someone can take a cultural ethic of working hard to better the world and turn it on it's head to mean something sinister, but perhaps Mr. Kurian just wants an excuse for the fact that so many students just DON'T CARE enough to do well in school and make it so far.

Antisemitism is on the rise in the world right now, and your school is contributing to it. There is no excuse for this. It was institutions such as yours, and people such as those who remained silent while Mr. Kurian spouted his garbage that were responsible for allowing the Holocaust to happen. I would think that an academic institution such as yours, with something called a history department, would remember this and the cry, "Never Again!" would mean something to you. It seems, however, that your school would stand idly aside as so many did in the 1930s.

Shame on you, if you have any shame left.

The holocaust label, he says, arose from the real suffering of European Jews during the 1930s and 1940s, in turn giving rise to the Holocaust ideology, distinguished in its capitalization.

Just what the hell does this mean? Is this asswipe actually suggesting that the systematic murder of millions should NOT lead to any sort of "ideological" reaction?

He documents economic exploitation by this “Holocaust Industry,”

"Jews!"... "economic exploitation!"... This is just loathsome.

Four pro-Jewish, full-page advertisements appeared in the Friday, Oct. 15, edition of The Chronicle, with two directly condemning the PSM.

"Pro-Jewish"??! Your mask (thin as it was) just slipped, Phil. I guess the speech you favor, then, could be described as "anti-Jewish"?

One more paragraph and the Protocols would have been wheeled out.

(#73) Spiny Norman

Sounds like a Tarheel chant. ;-)

What a POS. No mention that perhaps the representation is appropriate given the level of accomplishment of the students.

Over-represented my ass. That POS is overrepresented in the gene pool.

Here's something really creepy. I've been reading a biography of Ezra Pound, the poet and raving Jew-hater who, during WW2, broadcast poisonous anti-American propoganda over Italian radio--like Lord Haw Haw did in Berlin. Pound, though a gifted poet and instrumental in the careers of such modernist luminaries as James Joyce and T.S. Eliot (no slouch in the Jew-hating department himself) may well have been one of the most insufferable writers in history. The combination of a poor education and overweening self-importance made him susceptible to many of the crackpot theories popular at the time. He was especially consumed by notions of racial purity and monetary reform, and, as often occurs, the synergy between the two helped fuel a thorough-going and hysterical hatred of the Jews.

Anyway, the creepy part is that in his April 9, 1942 broadcast, Pound said the following:

I think Roosevelt belongs in an insane asylum now. His writers are lunatics. You have come down far when a Jew by the name of Finklestein runs your country.

I don't know to whom Pound is refering, but it totally creeps me out that his last name is the same as the self-hating Jewish "historian" who today is assisting our enemies.

#4 TalkinKamel

TalkinKamel, the outcome for the left will likely be a little different this time around. Here's the kind of diversity many American Jews believe in:

[Link: www.thoseshirts.com...]

"Regardless of your political stance or position on the PSM conference, it is impossible to ignore the unprecedented outpouring of pro-Jewish, pro-Israeli support in defiance of free speech at Duke."

Does this mean that anti-Jewish, anti-Israeli rhetoric is what constitutes free speech at Duke?

#14 GoatGuy
I had the same idea about Asians, et al. But anyone else in this context would not serve the purpose of this writer's ideology.

#41 ibrodsky

You are correct about racism being rampant in the Muslim world. Please correct me if I am wrong but it is my understanding that in Arabic the words for "black man" means "slave".

All I can say is we as Jews are headed for mighty rocky times.

I am grateful my dear parents and grandparents are no longer here to witness this. They fought Anti-Semitism all their lives. They fought it in honor of the slaughtered and for their children and the future they truly with all their heart, with their eyes wide open thought would be much different then it is today. How truly shocked, brokenhearted and thoroughly disappointed they would be.

I must add that by legitimizing the palestinian struggle for a homeland and not having deemed the PA a terror organization was a large factor which led to all of this in the first place. By legitimizing the palestinian struggle it served to delegitimize the plight of Israelis and Jews everywhere. It made us into monsters. All to appease the arab street who hate not only Jews but Christians and freedom loving people everywhere.

Wake up call!! When truth becomes lost and unimportant the cancer of hate and lies sinks its roots deeply and securely. G-d help us all.

This Philip Kurian guy has quite a problem with the "privileges" that Jews have.

It is well known that Jews constitute the most privileged “minority” group in this country. Among the top 10 universities, Jews enjoy shocking overrepresentation ...

However, to preserve our democracy and honestly confront inequality where it persists, Jews must own up to their privilege in America, and use it more wisely.

privilege: a right or immunity granted as a peculiar benefit, advantage, or favor

privileged: 1. having or enjoying one or more privileges 2. not subject to the usual rules or penalties because of some special circumstance

He's implying that Jews are disproportionately successful because they're somehow granted special favors, and NOT because their culture values, oh, say, academics, or hard work, or the ability to make money, or whatever.

As another poster above mentioned, Asian-Americans seem to share many of these traits, but you don't hear assholes like this biatching about them.

To continue my paean to Jamie Glazov, here's a link to his December 3, 2001 article Why Jews Succeed .

I grew up not realizing that antisemitism really still existed in this country outside of a few hundred neo-Nazi nutjobs. Reality is a sad slap in the face, I tells ya.

My son is 1/8th Jewish, and this guy can go to hell.

/I wanna be like Moishe

SCJ

Finkelstein's bio says both his parents survived the camps.

I take it from how Kurian quotes him, however, that he believes Jews use the Holocaust to lay a guilt trip on people.

While I suppose that is possible, in theory, the fact that Jews are targetted throughout Europe, are clearly targetted by Muslims everywhere, and even now face an uncertain future in the one Jewish nation on Earth (at least if their neighbors have anything to say about it), tends to discount that.

I know Jews as a group tend to be successful in this country, but I have never seen evidence that they have used Holocaust guilt toward that end. They value education and work hard.

I suppose one can say one of the impeti for the formation of the Israeli state was Holocaust guilt, but how is that a bad thing? Finkelstein's own biography has the quote

He dedicated his first book to his parents in which he wrote: "May I never forgive or forget what was done to them."

Really, I don't understand his motivation.

80 scaramouche

Perhaps the deranged reference is to Rabbi Louis Finkelstein:

[Link: www.bookrags.com...]

As the head of the largest denomination of Judaism in America, Rabbi Louis Finkelstein served as an adviser on Jewish affairs to President Franklin Roosevelt (1940-1945).

This journalist does not even cite a source correctly.

"Pirke Avot" does not mean "Book of Principles".
It means "Ethics of the Fathers".

It is easy to recognize that this moonbat is not as much anti-semitic as he is an inhabitant of that parallel leftist Bizarroworld where earned advancement is a "priviledge".

exorbitant Jewish privilege in the United States

After World War II, overt anti-Semitism gradually subsided, in part because of American response to Hitler’s murderous regime, but largely due to Jewish association with whiteness and the privileges white skin affords.

I bet his views on the reconquista would make the folks at La Raza as happy as the Paleos.

John Edwards, report to your home state of Jihadi North Carolina & shake that gorgeous head of hair that drives Muslims wild.

Maybe they'll follow you like the Pied Piper back to the medieval ages & zenith of 7th century Islamic culture, or turn your state into the new center of Islamic wisdom in America.

Somehow our higher educational system has become the new Khmer Rouge. The only 'good' people are uneducated peasant farmers. Give them guns and let them mete out 'justice'.

Life is not a zero sum game. Other people having great success has made my life easier, NOT more difficult.

anyone no whether david duke is related to the founder of Duke University James b Duke?

Re #34

If the campus thought police take their hate speech codes seriously, and not just as a weapon to shut down any opposing viewpoints, which they don't, they should crack down on this stuff now.

I've been out of college for some time so the whole speech code thing is a mystery to me. Does anyone have access to, specifically a link to, any Duke Univ. code against hate speech? Is there any documentation of hate speech that has been previously repressed (against, say, Muslims, Arabs, blacks), based on such codes?

Specific reference to such codes IMO would be a more powerful argument in one's letters to Duke.

Kurian is only one example of the resurgence of antisemitism, always latent in Western society. The question is what is society today willing to do to fight it, before it reaches a catastrophic level. Fighting it means speaking out against hatred, and Duke, as a prestigious university, must openly face the question of whether they consider it acceptable, free speech not withstanding, to hate Jews, but not Muslims, and if so, why? And if not, what action are they prepared to take?

Sorry -- In Post 88 I should have said "Sayings of the Fathers" not "Ethics of the Fathers". (But the Sayings are ethical.)

In the editorial Philip Kurian also says that he wouldn't oppose a KKK conference at Duke. So, imagine what his article would be titled instead of "The Jews" if it had been a KKK conference instead of a PSM one.

#88 Clio

"Pirke Avot" does not mean "Book of Principles".

That's not what they said over at Stormfront!

Maybe they lied to me because I'm black

/kurian

Listening to Glenn Beck now...he is talking about why Jews want to vote for Kerry. The last lady who called said that she FEELS Kerry has a "plan" for the security of Israel, and that he is for Israel more than Bush is.

Can this lady be more wrong, and is she typical of the majority of Jewish voters since they consistently go Democratic??

#85 Lewis, bravo well said.

I have married into a Jewish family (although my household is Christian) and feel insulted when I see this kind of dross.

The new antisemitism coming from the left is disturbing to me.

Socialism abhors those who work hard and profit from it.

These assholes think if you've managed to make something of yourself then it must have been some sort of fluke or conspiracy or anything except taking risks and putting in the hours.

Maybe, just maybe, the Jewish race is a bit more motivated than say, the average thick-skulled caucasian like myself (just kidding).

It's sad that many Jewish people are still under the spell of wealth-redristribution schemes and are in favor of special treatment for certain minority groups, globalization of governmental functions (aka liberal politcs)

I have read this exerpt a few times and I found it devoid of point. How and why does the author make a case for the overrepresentation of jews in higher education, and then jump in the next paragraph to a "Holocaust Industry?"

I am sorry, but I don't see Kurian driving home any point... Maybe that is the point Charles is making, but you guys should enlighten me some more...

This is so depressing. I can't believe what's going on at Duke.

#24 ibrodsky

I wonder if Mr. Kurian believes Jews are "overrepresented" at these prestigious universities because they are outstanding students or their parents possess undue influence?

I would wager that he thinks they are outstanding students because of their priviledged position in society which inculcated in them a sense of self esteem (all must bow to the great juju, self esteem), everything being determined by class struggle.

#97 Mad_scientist

Wonder if the MSM and LLLs are goint to celebrate in large print Arafat's endorsement of their candidates & comrades, Breck & Lurch.

Yaser Arafat wants you to vote for John Kerry!

He approves of Kerry's "plan" for all of you...oh, and "death to Amerika," as David Letterman's Osama/Al Zawahiri videos always say in closing.

Nuke Duke?

/really

#44 Ed - Yup, you're right, this screed sounds like R@nbutan, and now I'm having flashbacks to "shyster laywers" and tax the rich rants.

Ugh.

As a non-Jewish academic in a scientific field, there is no question that Jewish people are heavily over-represented among my colleagues. But I have never encountered any hint of favoritism. It is simply a reflection of merit. Whether that reflects culture or some genetic predisposition (a very politically incorrect hypothesis), it would require active discrimination to erase it--and the quality of academic work would suffer as a result, because it would mean discrimination against some of the most capable individuals.

I just read this whole thread and I think there's some hyper-ventilating going on.

College papers are notorious for publishing tripe like this. Every group that offends the leftist orthodoxy gets their day on the op-Ed page.

I interpret that Mr. Kurian is African-American, and the African American's are routinely puzzled/offended/angered by "model minorities" who've outperformed them without the aid of affirmative action; it makes them look bad. You could substitute "Asian" for "Jewish" in Kurian's screed, complete with all the same Ivy league overrepresentation statistics, and publish the same damn letter next week (less the Holocaust references).

(As a matter of fact, probably the sole reason that CalTech had to be excluded from his argument is that the Asians there outnumber the Jews).

Life as usual in the academy. No reason to panic yet.

#36 applesweet

Maybe it does have more than one wing---or maybe it has no wings at all; it's all one, big, hate-filled blob, that sometimes calls itself "Left" and sometimes calls itself "right."; the Nazi/Marxist totalitarian movement, that's caused us all such grief in the 20th Century.

I've no idea what they're planning for this poor woman, though I can't think it's anything good; I hope she survives, and returns to her friends and family, though I can't say I'm real optimistic about this.

' It is well known that Jews constitute the most powerful "minority group" in this country. '
Philip Kurian 2004

' It is an open secret that Jews do not work, rather let others work for them. ... "The influence of the Jewish spirit" today dominates the United States of North America. '
Der Sturmer 1944

. Nauseating.

#93 transient
I think this is it Based on a quick (very) perusal of it, it sounds like they tried to pattern it on federal sexual harassment statutes.

Please ignore the "academic freedom" proviso at the top. Just read what really matters below.

Creating a "hostile environment" is one of the worst legal tests I can imagine (and it's used all the time). I'm too creative to be allowed to play with a loose standard like that. The potential for abuse and selective enforcement is enormous.

To: philip.kurian@duke.edu

Dear Mr. Kurian,

In response to your article "The Jews", here is a slightly edited version called "the Blacks."

"The Blacks"

Judaism is a “gutter religion." Exploit them 'crackers for all they got.

-- Rev. Farrakhan

Such describes the Black concept of the world: a credo that, to many blacks, prescribes what role they should play in the wider concerns of our society. Judging by the opposition to this past weekend’s Slave Reparations conference, however, I cannot help but conclude that the powerful Black establishment has distorted the meaning of this age-old teaching.

It is well known that Blacks constitute the most privileged "welfare recipient" group in this country. Among the top 10 welfare states, Blacks enjoy shocking overrepresentation: Only California has an Black welfare recipient population below 10 percent, and four states have particularly stark Black advantages—Mississippi (30 percent), Arkansas (23 percent), Missouri (31 percent) and Michigan (25 percent). Keep in mind that, at best estimate, no more than 3 percent of all Americans are Black.

In his slim volume The Blackness Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Black Suffering (2000), black race bating demagogue Rev. Jesse Jackson argues that American interest in Blackness is “a tribute not to Blacksuffering but to Black aggrandizement.” The slavery label, he says, arose from the real suffering of blacks during the 1700's and 1800's, in turn giving rise to the Black Welfare ideology, distinguished in its capitalization. He documents economic exploitation by this “Black Welfare Industry,” which he calls an “outright extortion racket.”

Mr. Kurian,

I'm sure you won't find this too offensive.

Best Regards.

Everyone knows the Jews control the media, the money supply, the US government, and now, it becomes clear, academia.

/?!?!?

The scary thing about articles like this is that I get the impression they're just sticking a toe in the water, in order to get an idea of how much anti-Semitism is possible to serve up while still appearing "progressive"---whatever that's come to mean...

ploome

I'm not Jewish, ploome, but I hope my view hasn't been distirted by that fact .

OT:
Representatives of Presbyterian Church meet with Hezbollah.

The 24-member delegation traveled to Lebanon on Sunday and met with the south Lebanon commander of Hezbollah, a group Washington calls terrorist but Lebanon sees as a legitimate resistance movement against Israeli occupation of Arab lands.

On Monday, they traveled to Syria, where they met with the minister of expatriates. They were scheduled to meet with President Bashar Assad on Tuesday and to travel to Jordan on Wednesday.

So now the Church has taken to meeting up with terrorists. Hezbollah of course is responsible for the murder of Americans as well as Israelis. What's next, sending round the collection plate for Al-Qaeda?

Wonder if they're going to address any issues like Hezbollah's firing on Israeli civilian settlements, or would that be too 'even handed'? Once again, killing Jews is okay, as long as it's for a 'good cause,' but Israeli self-defense is unconscionable.

It is another characteristic trait of antisemitism that Jews must accept an inferior position, and be grateful for what they get. Jews, as inferior, must trust Christians to defend them (or not, depending on whim). The fact that Israel insists on defending itself is intolerable to the Jew-haters.

FYI, in the pulling out all the pre-emptive stops department:

Trial lawyers are getting letters from the Association of Trial Lawyers of America asking for money to help those "civil justice champions" Kedwards defeat tort "reform" President Bush.

Imagine the horror, "...we could be facing the most dire threat in our history"...Next January we could once again be confronted with tort "reformers" in control of the White House and both Houses of Congress." "Trial Lawyers Attacked" --an insert with scare quotes from Bill Frist, Dick Cheney & Pres. Bush concerning doctors leaving medicine--the world is coming to an end!

Mary E. Alexander, Chair of ATLA PAC at [Link: www.atlapac@atlahq.org...]

110

Ouch.

Meanwhile...U.S. Presbyterian Church delegation was just in Lebanon meeting with Hizballah…to coordinate strategies to defeat the Jewish enemy I suppose.

95 TS

In the editorial Philip Kurian also says that he wouldn't oppose a KKK conference at Duke

Did you read this comment:

Mr. Kurian,
Had I written such a piece last year, called the BLACKS, where I tell you that all you have to do is act white and you will be accepted, and that you are over dramatizing your plight as a people because slavery ended more than 100 years ago, I would have been branded a racist and probably protested against by several cultural groups. What you wrote today was an injustice to not only to the Jews, but to all minorities. I am embarased to have been a writer for the chronicle after reading this. Just because you use some textual evidence doesn't mean you are justified in what you wrote. You are an embarasment. At least I know my grandparents went through Concentration Camps. I heard their stories. I doubt now is yet the time to start belittling the Holocaust.

From the Chronicle:
Pipes calls for end to Palestinian aid
And from the very first paragraph:

Pro-Israeli activist Daniel Pipes advocated ending the Palestinian-Israeli conflict by cutting off worldwide support to the Palestinian cause in a Thursday night speech sponsored by the Duke Conservative Union.

#21 TalkinKamel

I wonder "did WWII ever end?"

I am not Jewish and I feel offended by this dirty column.
If the writer is an African American I am even more astonished and offended.

We are sinking deep into the abyss.

Nazi-fascism allied with redfascism and with islamofascism...

Slim

WOW...you can tell race/ethenicity by writing!

but what about truth, objectivity, reasoned argument?

The article has no value and no point and the remarkably stupid asumptions the writer makes shouldn't be excused no-matter his race...

You could substitute "Asian" for "Jewish" in Kurian's screed, complete with all the same Ivy league overrepresentation statistics, and publish the same damn letter next week (less the Holocaust references).

Wow, that's quite a stretch. It isn't about Asians, it's about "The Jew", complete with Holocaust references. What is your point?

Actually, I think that these days in America it's actually Hindus, not Jews, who are the most "successful" minority. So does this mean I am part of some massive conspiracy? Am I secretly controlling the government and the media? Are Bush, Cheney, the 9 Supremes, the Senate, the House, etc, all Hindus in disguise?

This guy is a freakin' idiot.

As far as I can tell (not being Jewish myself), the Jews have EARNED every last scrap of the money, power, respect, etc they enjoy in this country. How many hospitals, museums, schools, etc have Jewish benefactors? Where I live (the Boston area) practically every single hospital is B'nai this or Israel that, or there's some building with "*Stein" on it.

The Jews have earned their place in America through the most noble way possible - through service - and for that they should be honored.

Here's what Abe Foxman of the ADL wrote about this antisemitic piece of trash :

Letters to the Editor
The Duke Chronicle October 18, 2004

To the Editor:

Philip Kurian's offensive article contains a number of classic stereotypes about Jews including charges of excessive wealth, power and a lack of concern for anyone but themselves ("The Jews," Oct. 18). Indeed, if one were to follow the logic of his diatribe against the Jewish community, Jews would not be entitled to all the rights and opportunities available to other Americans because they are rich and powerful.

In fact, Jews, like others, have basic rights. They have the right to express themselves when faced with a hate-filled initiative such as the Palestine Solidarity Movement program brought to Duke. They have the right to fulfill themselves in society without having to endure accusations of privilege and of "shocking overrepresentation." They have the right and obligation to stand up when the State of Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, is delegitimized.

None of this makes us anti-Palestinian. To the contrary, we believe that Palestinians should have a state side-by-side the Jewish state. We are aware, however, that the main reason a Palestinian state does not exist is that for too long, Palestinian leaders have the same hateful and destructive attitudes that Duke saw coming out of the PSM conference.

Kurian adds one more absurd accusation that demonstrates his bias: the charge that Jews in America are seeking to belittle and undermine the civil rights movement. Aside from the historic leadership role that American Jews played in the movement for civil rights, we, unlike Kurian do not see these issues as a zero-sum game where working on behalf of our own community means working against someone else. We believe that standing up for Jews and against anti-Semitism and standing up for other minorities is not only not contradictory but is, in fact, the essential ingredient for building a just society.

After the difficulties of this past weekend, one would have hoped that The Chronicle would have been more interested in printing an article to heal the wounds rather than one to further inflame the situation.

Sincerely,

Abraham H. Foxman
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Maybe they could also address the fact that Palestinians destroy artifacts in the Temple daily. And that Palestinians piss on the Wailing Wall.

Or the fact that Arabs do not hold in regard anything Judeo Christian and that it might be better handled by Israel.

#98 Zach

bravo well said

Thanks.

Socialism abhors those who work hard and profit from it.

These assholes think if you've managed to make something of yourself then it must have been some sort of fluke or conspiracy or anything except taking risks and putting in the hours.

I've only realized the truth of this just recently.

I was talking to this Chompskyite at a bar, and he seriously opined that "the rich" were, generally, evil.

It's hard to believe that people can really be this stupid. Or morally retarded, or whatever it is.

It was funny, because he said this in front of my (quite liberal) friend [okay, I like to think of myself as liberal too - I've just become a full-on liberal WARHAWK], who's working his ass off as his own boss in his internet start up company, for the express purpose of striking it rich - which may well happen someday; and then he'd instantly become evil.

I hope this helps my friend realize what kind of whackjobs he's allying himself with (my friend is, for all intents and purposes, in with the Bush=Hitler crowd).

#111 XanaX

I agree. I think they are testing the water, so to speak, seeing how far they can go, and how much they can get away with. If they get a rap on the nose, they'll retreat---a little bit---whining that they're not Antisemetic! They're just worried about bad old Israel, and the Jewish community!

If they don't get rapped on the nose---well, I'm afraid it's going to be Germany, circa 1939; "Dejas Vous, all over again!"

As for "Progressive"---as far as I'm concerned, the term means nothing anymore. A lot of so-called progressive thinking these days doesn't seem much different from bad old Facist thinking. The Left is now in bed with radical Islam, and that's about as unprogressive as you can get! (See my post #106, to applesweet.)

I'm just curious as to why some here seem to assume Mr. Kurian is black.

Further curious as to why that fact has any bearing on the discussion: does his assumed blackness make his drivel any more or less offensive?

105 Slim:

Generally, names ending in -ian are Armenian (although this is a pretty short one). In any case, I don't think assuming he's a black guy is a safe bet.

And as far as groups that offend the left wing - don't be ignorant, that letter got published because it is in synch with left wing sentiment.

This just reinforces my already objectivist leaning beliefs. The first step on the road to self destruction of a society is to reward poor performace.

Affirmative Action can not create benefit to a society.

Long live Booker T. Washington!

I feel I can write the next few days' news articles about this column and its reaction.

1. Protests, letters, emails, and phone calls inundate Duke and the newspaper.

2. Duke and/or newspaper issue statement "apologizing for any offense caused," as if there's a teensy possibility someone may be offended by such blatant Jew-hatred, you know, thin-skinned people, I guess.

3. Kurian denounces "censorship" and demands his rights to free speech be respected. The ACLU will probably feel compelled to make one of its asinine pronouncements.

4. Demonstrators at Duke decry the "muzzling" of Kurian.

5. Quietly, everything goes back to the way it was. Welcome back to the editorial page, Mr. Kurian. Gonna write about them Jews again? Good boy!

It's not actually funny, because it's likely what will happen.

Poll: Bush Doubles Support Among Blacks

they see the light

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I am not shocked that the opposition to the PSM conference would be misunderstood. Mr. Kurian underestimates how much money it really cost to get a university like Duke to host such an event. In fact it takes years of 'funding' student groups, and student activists. Without that history, the PSM would have been sent to book the local hall in town.

Hamas, the PA, and the other terror groups that were represented are to many the same organization as al-qaeda. Would we allow OBL to hold a similar conference? With restrictions perhaps.

I too am an advocate of free speech; however there is a line that we cannot allow anyone to cross. Hate messages, the call for genocide, slander, or un-truths designed for the purpose of hate must be controlled.
There is a difference between allowing free speech, and hosting it.

Even Mr. Kurian would set limits to the free speech he would 'probably' let the Ku Klux Klan have.

Yet he does not seem to advocate placing the same need for "serious discussion" on the PSM.

Finally, the 92,000 signatures were not bought, or forged. They represent a group of people using the privilege their signature represents wisely.

I respect that signature as a vote, or chance to stand up and be counted. Mr. Kurian discounts that. Those 92,000 people have no standing, have no real voice.

I suspect he is going to learn otherwise. Their voice will be heard, and he will accept what they say in the same way he would 'probably' accept the voice of the KKK.

#116 freedomsound

the jerk doing most of the talking is from Ann Arbor, Michigan. That town besides having a university has an extremly large arab population.

Its very possible that he is trying to keep his neigbors happy and hopes that they will not do anything to his church.

Since Hezbollah is a listed terrorist list he should be charged with treason for consorting with the enemy. Anyone based in this town want to report this infraction to the FBI and the local newspapers demanding an investigation with proper followup??

116 freedomsound
If it is not bad enough the Presbyterian Church is divesting from Israel, now they meet with the enemy. Talk about sick! If this is not an example of a world turned upside down, nothing is.

But there is more...always more:
Anglican leaders following Presbyterian lead

It's not an assumption: Kurian is black.

It is a pretty wicked assumption the Mr. Kurian is black. I interpreted that the reference to African Americans in his article was merely a vehicle to drive a point through.

For all those here who found that article offensive, it was equally offensive to lash out at Mr. Kurian's percieved ethnicity.

At least level the playing field here people by not sinking to Mr. Kurians level when presenting your rebuttal to his opinions about Jews.

#110 scotsilv,

laughing/crying out loud!

#131 American Infidel - Those responses are great. Especially the one that proves to us Brits, once and for all, that Americans do in fact 'get' sarcasm.

My favourite:

Please keep in mind that I am something of an anglophile, so this is not confrontational. Please remember, too, that I am merely an American. That means I am not very bright. It means I have no culture or sense of history. It also means that I am barely literate, so please don't use big, fancy words.

Set me straight, folks!

Sounds positively lizaroid to me!

#125 Lewis

I used to think of myself as a liberal. I would have thought that standing up against terrorists and dictators [eg. Bashir Assad, Ali (the jews did it) Komeine, Yasser (g-d father of terrorism) Arafat, etc..], the liberal thing to do.

It seems that the conservatives are the ones standing up for human rights and the liberals are standing up for the right of dictators to build mass graves and stone woman to death.

135

I stand corrected, but my point remains firm. It is not in very good tact to attack his ethnicity in response. For the very same reason he has attacked the jewish population with a sweeping generalization and stereotyping, it is not necessarily very intelligent to stoop to his level in teaching him a lesson.

#136

oops- he is black. And the point of most of the posts that reference that fact isn't to harp on his race, but to show how racist his own article was.

Zulubaby was right that you can't take the holocaust references out of his diatribe and apply the rest of his article to other minorities.

The references to other minorities in this thread merely show how endemic antisemetism has become by pointing out how clearly racist the article would have been had it been about any other group.

123 MJ
Anytime Foxman writes anything the other side yells foul. You see with great proof that today people can be as Anti-Semitic as they please and when they are accused of it they claim Jews are paranoid for mere criticism is not Anti-Semitism.

Lack of truth mixed with hate and denial makes one hell of a really stiff drink.

Free speech must remain just that. There have to be some constraints, and common sense dictates most.

The most disturbing thing about the meeting at Duke is
the banning of recording devices. Where was Duke
when this freedom was restrained? Would the freedom of the press to print a transcript hurt their "cause".

From Charles' link -

Fascinated by science, inspired by innovative solutions to social problems, and entranced by great literature, life stories, and any heated discussion, I have a set of interests as varied as my experiences.

What a pretentious wally.

Philip Kurian sounds like the usual envious power seeking loser looking for a conspiracy to blame for his loserdom. Such people are in the power of the devil and refuse to believe that doing right is the path to success. They view success as the result of evil scheming and seek to out scheme everyone else.

#109 beagle;

Thanks for that. Looking at their code, (and I followed a few useless links to the 'policies' page) Kurian's article would not qualify as harassment and more likely would be protected. There is no clear proviso against hate speech as such.

One might ask the Duke administration specifically if they in fact show favoritism towards Jews, or if they believe other Ivy League (or Ivy League standard) universities do. If Duke does not, the administration should publically refute the charges in Kurian's article. Otherwise, they confirm they are part of the problem.

It's quite ironic, really, because until the second half of the 20th century, Jews (with perhaps extremely rare exceptions) were not even admitted to Ivy League schools.

OT - Dennis Prager's five reasons to not vote for John Kerry.

Thank you Charles for bailing me out...Kurian is black. I had intuited that from the sensibility of the article and from the nature of his other publishings. I was on somewhat thin ice I suppose, but turned out to hold up anyway.

So anyway, back to my main point which was:

The "model minorities" are an embarrasing and perplexing dilemna for proponents of affirmative active who for the less successfully assimilated minority groups.

I don't know if that makes Kurian's opinion any less threatening sounding to a Jew (no, I'm not a Jew, we established that earlier) but I think it does shade his perspective.

I hereby nominate Philip Kurian for the:

"Jason Blair outstanding achievement award in fictitious journalism"

What a Loser.

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The point of it is well understood, but one has to wonder about the taste of the delivery. I am sure Mr. Kurian will read that and have plenty of ammunation for a rabble rousing group like the ACLU to pounce and put spin on. Further diminishing your point ot him.

I am sure that Mr. Kurian will not see the bitter sarcasm in the text, but WILL understand that someone who is "white" has obviously attacked his race.

Is that the response desired? Do we here at LGF seek to be painted as racists? Or could we have simply pointed out to Mr. Kurian that his viewpoints about the jewish population are "in fact" anti semitic and racist, and that Mr. Kurian is simply a racists hatemonger regardless of his race.

#127 ShanNYC

I did a google search on his name and found him at [Link: www.bnduke.org...]

Since there was a clear picture of him there, I don't think I was really assuming his racial background.

Of course, I would prefer to get rid of the hyphenations and just call all of us American. However, I don't think that the hyphenated Americans are willing to give up their anger.

OT - that darn "Iraqi" resistance

October 19, 2004
IRAQI BORDER POLICE ARRESTED 142 INFILTRATORS COMING FROM IRAN LAST WEEK. THE INFILTRATORS WERE OF DIVERSE NATIONALITIES, INCLUDING AFGHANIS, IRANIANS, AND PAKISTANIS, AND CARRIED WEAPONS AND DRUGS, BUT NO DOCUMENTS. (AL-ZAMAN, BAGHDAD, 10/19/04)

This is off the topic - but the world today is a better place because I saw that Rick Sanchez is on CNN.

Getting Stoned: Islamic Style

Almost two months after having hanged a 16 years-old girl, the ruling Iranian ayatollahs are to commit another human crime by condemning another young girl to stoning.

According to Iranian and foreign press, Zhila Izadi, a 13 years old girl from the north-western city of Marivan had been condemned to death by stoning after being found that she had been pregnant from her 15 years-old brother.

The independent Iranian online newspaper “Peyke Iran” (www.peykeiran.com) that had first revealed the news last week reported on Saturday 16 October 2004 that the girl has given birth two weeks ago in prison.

While Zhila as been sentenced to stoning, her brother, jailed in Tehran, is to receive only 150 lashes, in accordance with Islamic laws.
lawyer

Cut the guy a break...He's probably just blowing off a little steam, you know, to get back at his Jewish classmates who, by out-performing him in school, inadvertently expose him for the intellectual midget he really is.

/not

I would say Mr. Kurian is just a racist hatemonger.

It wouldn't matter to me if Mr. Kurian were white, black, brown or martian...his writing is drivel, the same old tired accusations of the "Holocaust Industry" and Jewish victimization recycled from about five minutes after Auschwitz was shut for good. It would be mildly offensive if it were original.

I used to write for the campus daily, and it seemed to me an article like this would get play once a semester (I remember one railing against the Israeli practice to kill puppies in Gaza, since the Palestinians were strapping bombs to the dogs' back: the writer seemed to feel dogs in Gaza had more of a right to live than Jews in Tel Aviv).

In any event, no need to look for explanations from Mr. Kurian's color: idiots like that transcend race.

As they say so often and well at FARK:

"Duke Sucks!"

OT: Another kidnapping

This time they take the head of CARE, which, it is reported, supplies water for 21 million Iraqis.

anyone listening to O'Reily, just read supposedly he said bush is up 49-41 in new fox poll

#160

You don't think they'll really "take her head," do you?

Please, please, please, please, please...

Make sure everyone knows the difference between Norman G. Finkelstein and Norman H. Finkelstein.

Norman G. Finkelstein is one quoted in the Duke article. He is the controvercial author of The Holocaust Industry and Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict, New and Revised Edition.

Norman H. Finkelstein is a school librarian in the Brookline Massachusetts Public Schools and an instructor at Hebrew College. He writes books for young readers, including Remember Not to Forget: A Memory of the Holocaust and Heeding the Call: Jewish Voices in America's Civil Rights Struggle. He is the recipient of the Golden Kite Honor Book Award and two National Jewish Book Awards.

These are two very different people. Norman H. Finkelstein was a teacher of mine, a man of great integrity and love for his Jewish heritage, and a supportive member of the Jewish community.

#88

"Pirke Avot" does not mean "Book of Principles".

Actually, the name of the tractate is simply avot, which means 'Fathers.' It is often prefaced with the word 'Pirke', which means "chapters of".

But calling it "Principles" may be the only correct thing Kurian did -- albeit by accident. In the Mishneh (the part of the talmud that includes Avot'), the term Av (singular of Avot) is often used to mean basic category or basic principle. Thus the 39 categories of malacha (activities -- often mistranslated as 'work' or 'labor') that are prohibited on the Sabbath are referred to in the Talmud as the 39 Av malachot (primary forms of malacha).

Pirke Avot has nothing to do with the Fathers (Avraham, Yitzhak and Yaakov) and everything to do with fundamental principles of ethics. Hence Principles is really a more accurate translation than the more common term "Fathers." And the term "ethics" (a Greek concept, with no precise analogue in Hebrew, which instead uses such terms as justice, or the right thing, or the law, or the teaching) nowhere appears in the title Pirke Avot.

If Jews have done something (whatever that may be) with the Holocaust, what should we call what Muslims have done with the Crusades into Jerusalem circa 1099-forward? I don't think there are any living victims of the Crusades. Those were medieval (read: violent) times anyway. Nobody followed modern conceptions of human rights because they did not exist. The Crusades are frequently cited by Muslims as a violation of their rights (I guess to conquer and not ever lose).

Academia is filled with dark mentions of the Crusades, as if that justifies Muslim atrocities today. Actual living Jews, and millions of dead Jews, suffered the Holocaust. But in the span of 60 years, with anti-Semitism increasing all over the world, the author finds it important to note that the Holocaust has received attention in the media and elsewhere.

I should be used to the double standard by now.

While a lot of people are saying that Mr. Kurian is of Armenian descent, I have to disagree. "Kurian" is a fairly common name in the state of Kerala in India. The state is quite famous for having elected Communists consistently to the state legislature. As for his moonbattery, he partly belongs to the same ethnic group as another barking lunatic, Arundhati Roy. So that should explain it somewhat. OTOH, Kerala has a long standing Jewish community with amicable relations with the surrounding Hindu society. So his attitude could be native to the US.

He considers himself black - so either he is basing it on his skin color or he has one black parent/grandparent. He is only partly ethnically black - if at all.

His ethnicity might not be black but his heart sure is.

#105 slim

I just read this whole thread and I think there's some hyper-ventilating going on... No reason to panic yet.

When would you be ready to speak out?

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Catholics, but I was not a Catholic so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out."
---Rev. Martin Niemoller.

The take-away lesson is to speak out now. Before we have to panic. Before we have to leave the country.

[I am assuming this is why ploome asked you about your ethnicity. Jews learned this lesson in the 1940s. The rest of the West did not.]

Duke seems to be making an extra special effort lately to promote antisemitism and cozy up to terrorists. Lovely.

In some ways Norman Finkelstein is worse than Chompsky because both his parents were survivors, it's as though that gives him special self-hating Jew privileges that can be justified because of his parent's trip through Nazi hell.

I haven't read all the posts, but the quotation from Pirkei Avot refers to Torah, not to Perfection of the World.

#135 Charles
From his bio:

Growing up black in Charleston, South Carolina, my identity has been largely shaped by race

Yes, this is the new America. No wonder he thinks in terms of "The Jews". The civil rights movement empowered black people all over the United States to become raging bigots.

OT: Political Rhapsody

#166 beagle;

(paraphrasing): "A violation of [Muslim] rights (I guess to conquer and not ever lose)."

Yeah, that seems to be their attitude to Israel. They have a right to attack, but if they don't win, damn, call the UN quick!

#146 cantrecant

Such people are in the power of the devil

From the lower left of the page Charles posted (Philip Kurian) I see that the university itself has that cute old sucker as their team mascot.

Perhaps the most important reason why Jews are so over-represented at top universities: They're fucking smart!

The average I.Q. for Ashkenazi Jews is approximately 115, one standard deviation above the mean of 100.

#135 Charles

Holy cow:

My name is Philip Kurian, but most of my friends call me Phil. I am a student at Duke University, where I have the distinct privilege of being a Benjamin N. Duke Scholar. Besides paying for tuition (which is no slight matter), the BN Duke Leadership program is empowering me to pursue my passions and goals in life, always challenging me to take the hard road to defining personal success.

Heh. Turns out he DOES know what privilege means.

And this privilege has EMPOWERED him!!!111!

Growing up black in Charleston, South Carolina, my identity has been largely shaped by race, and coming to Duke was yet another challenge in my development.

Ah, another notch in the belt for the leftist PC multiculti non-integrationist folks, always working to highlight our differences, and make sure that NO ONE ever forgets their racial identity. Victimhood in perpetuity!!!

Beagle, # 172
"The civil rights movement empowered black people all over the United States to become raging bigots."

Yes, dammit, so much better when those blackies knew their place. Honestly, when did these black folks get so uppity?

/do I really need the tag?

I was reading a web site by a geneticist the other day and there was some blurb about the link between high IQ and a genetic disease among Ashkenazi Jews - there was some disease that as a side effect seems to increase the connections per brain cell, which also seems to increase the intelligence of it's suffers.

I thought that was interesting because Albert Einstein's brain was preserved and (recently) studied, and I also read that the number of connections per neuron was higher than is considered normal.

If Albert was the world's greatest physicist, perhaps Richard Feynman was the second, also a Jew.

Anyway I did a search to find a table of IQ by country and similar things.

Ashkenazi Jews are the ethnic group with the highest median IQ, and perhaps, the article I read above suggests that there are genes in that population which sometimes encourage genius, explaining why Jews are "over represented" at universities.

By the way, the country with the highest median IQ is Japan, whose children score MUCH higher than the children of other countries (suggesting a better education and environment), but whose adults only score moderately better.

#165 Yankev,
You got a makor for all that? Avot means Avot. As in the Chachamim who express themselves in these perakim.

Makes me wonder if the astute racist Kurian realized that the Rabbi of my Temple marched with Martin Luther King.

Probably not.

I would like nothing more than 5 minutes with Kurian in a room.

I will show him how uppity a Jew can get.

#32 N.A. Palm

To be totally fair, Soros survived the Nazis and the Communists. He's from Hungary and left there in 1947.

Thank you Yasser Arafat for this:An Israeli civilian was shot and killed by Palestinian sniper fire near Mevo Dotan in north Samaria on Tuesday afternoon.

Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades, a group associated with Palestinian Authority chairman Yasser Arafat's Fatah, in a statement issued soon after the attack, claimed responsibility for the attack which it said was to avenge the death of Zakhariya Zbeidi's deputy Sheikh Mahmud Abu Khalifa in an IAF strike two months ago.

Next four years we must push to make Al Aksa and the PA deemed a terrorist organization. It is the only right thing to do. And while we are all pushing we must also insure that Arafat is tried for war crimes.

#178 ShanNYC

You are just too stupid to understand anything aren't you?

What, do you think black people are incapable of becoming bigots? Look up, jackass.

Quit projecting your racist views on me. I'm sick of your leftist attitudes which dehumanize people of other races, making them incapable of choosing to believe things out of free will.

Yesterday while blogging I stumbled across this interview of Brigitte Gabriel. She is a christian from Lebanon and this is her story. (sorry if this has been posted in other threads) Its about 45 minutes long but well worth the time imo.

Brigitte Gabriel interview.

new fox news poll shows bush up 7 points. No link yet it was just on TV

And this in from MEMRI TV:

Lebanese Progressive Intellectual: 'The Calamities of Contemporary Arab Culture are Largely Due to the Egyptian Media and Intellectual Community'

Another quest in the next four years would be to cut off the money to Egypt!

demon of antisemetism---and this time, not from right wing facists, but from those loving, tolerant, oh-so-broadminded denizens of the liberal, progressive left? (I guess I just answered my own question; for the MSM, "Right Wing antisemetism bad, Left Wing antisemetism good".)

Someone else probably made this point already, but it can't be made enough: There never were "right wing fascists", at least not in the sense the "left" or "liberals" want you to believe. Fascists and national socialists were socialists! Their ideas had a lot in common with the ideas on the current "left" and nothing in common with freedom loving conservatism or libertarianism. There is no surprise anti-semitism is showing up on the "left". The "left" is showing its true colors again. (BTW, a lot of post-WWII American "neo-nazis" were just clueless punks and loners using nazi symbols for shock value. If you go back to the source and read the arguments of real fascists and nazis in the 1920s-40s, they sound a lot like the LLL. For example, a book like Kennedy's Against Nature would fit right in with the treehugging Heidegger type nazis. Don't forget old Joe was a nazi sympathizer. Coming full circle.)

OT

I just read a disturbing entry at JihadWatch.org suggesting Bush would accept Sharia law in Iraq if the Iraqis were to vote for it. This quote supposedly originated from AP, but I can't find another source.

#74 - scotsilv:

I am old enought to have actually seen the Plasmatics perform in 1979 or 1980. They really sucked. The highlight of the show was watching Wendy Williams tounging the barrel of a prop shotgun. Musically, they were the worst I've ever heard (and I've been attending rock shows since 1973).

As for this person, it only shows what we on this site have known for the last 3 years - Jewbaiting is the only acceptable form of racist expression allowed today. Everything else is "prohibited hate speech." Moreover, in his typical leftist mindset, only the ideas he approves of are worth protecting as "free speech."

It is truly sickening.

I am not Jewish, but I found this article to be insulting and sickening nonetheles. Any decent, clear-thinking person who reads Kurian's hateful words will feel the shock and disgust that I felt. Shame on him and shame on Duke. Now I'm glad I got the thin envelope from them back in '88.

#139 Jonny 10/19/2004 10:23AM PST

It seems that the conservatives are the ones standing up for human rights and the liberals are standing up for the right of dictators to build mass graves and stone woman to death.

Yes, I noticed this about a year ago (that probably makes me a little slow). Paleoconservative isolationist foreign policy is the new liberal, progressive foreign policy.

My brain hurts when I think about this too much.

#191- ChuckC

That's f-ed up. I read something about that as well. Maybe they're trying to sneak it in, so there isn't any big notice.

OT: But IMPORTANT - Mary Cheney, in a tower, being circled by - moon- bats??

175 cantrecant

Dang, can't a brother get his props around here? I put that link in on post 56.

Man, this is just like television news...the lowly cub reporter does the research, and the famous person gets the credit for breaking the story.

#181 AG in Houston

Makes me wonder if the astute racist Kurian realized that the Rabbi of my Temple marched with Martin Luther King.

Also note that of the 14 original founders of the NAACP, 13 were Jewish.

Sadly, Kurian and his ilk would likely see that as a Jewish conspiracy to control Blacks.

To a leftie, success is always a conspiracy. Whenever a Republican wins a close election, they start with conspiracy theories.

Vowels in The Mouth

What a lame story.

Should all colleges be artificially stocked to contain the same percentages of students as found in the populus? Could it be that in some ethnic cultures, education is seen as more important than in others? That being the case, some minoities have a distinct advantage in gaining admission to competitive colleges. If Kurian can show that prospective students are being given preferential treatment due to their ethnicity, fine - prove it but to just state that the colleges are being unfair just because of the percentages of a given minority group seems askew is a bunch of bs.

What is his solution? Randomly choose who gets into Yale and give everyone an "A"?

Union of Jewish Students stall messed up at European Social Forum,

UJS activists set up the display on Friday to provide the only mainstream Jewish presence at the Alexandra Palace human rights event...

But only the human rights of 'palestinians' matter to some people - they don't recognise the human rights of Jews.

The table was littered with rubbish, as well as leaflets from pro-Palestinian groups and a pamphlet on Islam produced by the Muslim Association of Britain.

The organisers of the Social Forum, which had plenty of pro-palestinian events, couldn't see anything wrong with it, but the police could see what it was...

Police are now treating the incident as a racially motivated crime

I just read a disturbing entry at JihadWatch.org suggesting Bush would accept Sharia law in Iraq if the Iraqis were to vote for it.

You either believe in democracy or you don't. Bush can't go around second guessing the choices of the Iraqi people. Another clear line he lays out. I think part of his gamble is sharia (cough, spit) is not going to happen in Iraq. If it does it's the Iraqi's problem. If it does and leads to confrontation with the west, that creates a new situation that can be dealt with.

Rayra 190

Come onnn Rayra!

He's a black kid who's going through his intellectual formation period, and who's ranting a pretty common rant about "Why-is -that-minority-doing-so-much-better-than-my-minori ty-even-though-they-didn't-have-affirmative-action .?"

I hardly think that makes him Judenhass, or makes him require a "spanking." My goodness, who's for and against thought control here?

Beagle (#172):

The civil rights movement empowered black people all over the United States to become raging bigots.

The Jew-hatred coming from the black people is suprising at first glance (no good deed goes unpunished), but actually is easily explainable. It's just hating the whitey taken to most logical and convenient end.

Jews are a perfect target for that hatred since they are both the most conspicously successful group of whiteys, and the most vulnerable (the other whiteys having no great love for them either, and are all to happy to deflect the black resentment in such a way).

#202

OT - Funny about Harry Potter. My wife and 7 yr old daughter are also hooked. They've both read all the books (some more than once) and eagerly await the next. There are Catholics on both sides of the HP debate as well.

#178 ShanNYC

Answer the questions posed to you in earlier threads, or shut the hell up.

I hardly think that ... makes him require a "spanking."

You're right. A baseball bat is much more appropriate here.

#202 Bush would support Islamic Law.

You are refering to:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

OT **apostate watch**

Uh oh, CAIR's not going to like this:

Female basketball player leaves USF, returns to Christianity

TAMPA, Fla. - A 22-year-old woman who created an uproar when she wanted to wear Islamic garb while playing basketball for University of South Florida has left the school and returned to Christianity.

Andrea Armstrong, who is from Lakeside, Ore., said in an Oct. 6 e-mail to the Oregonian newspaper in Portland that her conversion was a misstep caused by loneliness and estrangement from her home support system.

"It was my loneliness and forgetfulness of my past teachings that caused me to convert to Islam," she wrote. "I know that my actions caused great controversy over the past few weeks. I had no idea that a decision that I thought I was making for myself would reach out so far beyond myself and affect so many."

Armstrong's story drew international headlines when she announced she left the team and lost her scholarship after coach Jose Fernandez told her she could not wear the religiously mandated long pants, top with long sleeves and scarf during practices or games.

Armstrong then met with Fernandez, university officials and a representative of Council on American-Islamic Relations, and officials agreed that the team would accommodate her Islamic attire and reinstate her scholarship. The university also agreed to ask the NCAA for an exemption to its uniform policy to allow her to wear a scarf.

Irish Brewer:

I haven't noticed any Catholics who are anti-Harry. We taught it at my school, and we're Catholics ourselves. Even the Vatican came out and said the book was a good one and not demonically inspired Satan-in-disguise.

206 Sarah D.

While I enjoy intellectual discussions with people of differing opinions, it has occured to me that ShanNYC is just trolling and baiting. After all, he was saying we were assuming the race of Mr. Kurian after I had already posted a link that would have addressed his concern.

In the end, I suggest that you follow the popular internet adage, "Don't feed the trolls." Ignore him so he will lose interest and find another sandbox in which he may play.

OK, I just read this article:
[Link: www.newsday.com...]

The Presbyterians meeting Hezbollah.

The leader of their "delegation" is from ANN ARBOR.

I'm nominally Presbyterian, but stuff like this is driving me nuts. I'd like to give this dude a piece of my mind...

The anti-Semite only ever sees control or privilege, he never sees contribution.

And simply because Jews are doing well in a society does not mean they are inured against the terrors of Jew-hatred. Many Jews in pre-war Germany, Austria, Hungary, Holland, Poland and Czechoslovakia had also been very successful; it didn't prevent the great majority of Jews in those countries being murdered a few short years later.

In any event, only a complete lunatic or a person who is grossly anti-Semitic would cite the repellent Norman Finkelstein as an authority on Jewish issues.

"I'm nominally Presbyterian, but stuff like this is driving me nuts. I'd like to give this dude a piece of my mind..."

That's the leftie hezbians for you. Lots of sympathy for any group with car bombs.

well no one can call me a racist, because I hate everyone equally

#193 loppyd

I am not Jewish either but Kurian's editorial offends every thinking person. All the tired code words are there:

"...powerful Jewish establishment", "It is well known that Jews constitue the most privleged group in this country.", "Jews enjoy shocking overrepresentation...",
"We are dealing with a well funded, well orgnized [Jewish] establishment.", "Jews must ownup to their privlege in America..."

Mr Kurian has written a noxious, anti-semitic screed; he's David Duke in academic glad rags.

Mr. Kurian:

G-d blesses those that bless the Jews and curses those that curse the Jews.

-- Torah

#212 Just Right of Middle

I know exactly who and what she is, thank you very much.

SHE condones using children for human shields, and she calls our soldiers baby-killers.

Mind your own business please.

Nixon went to Duke's law school.

It has been suggested that Kurian is an imbecile who is unaware of Jewish contibutions to the Civil Rights movement.
I think this is unlikely, he is probably simply another academi-whore going down for Arab grant money or investment capital.
This recycled petro-cash is all pervasive, even when the grants are not direct, and there are ALWAYS strings attached.
It is one of the many dirty secrets of post 60s academia here and in Europe and also has a pronounced influence on certain business sectors, notably those who depend of venture capital.

""It is well known that Jews constitute the most privileged “minority” group in this country. Among the top 10 universities, Jews enjoy shocking overrepresentation: Only the California Institute of Technology has an undergraduate Jewish population below 10 percent, and four schools have particularly stark Jewish advantages—Harvard (30 percent), Yale (23 percent), UPenn (31 percent) and Columbia (25 percent). Keep in mind that, at best estimate, no more than 3 percent of all Americans are Jewish.""

Actually, those percentages are almost tied with Asian-Americans (4% of American population, including under-achievers such as the Pakistani, Hmong and Philipino-American populations). Unlike most Jews, Asian-Americans are a very visible minority. Ambition, diligence, dedication and intelligence are the crucial elements; no one would think that Asian-Americans in American society today are artificially privileged.

From American Heritage dictionary, "privilege": A special advantage, immunity, permission, right, or benefit granted to or enjoyed by an individual, class, or caste.

There is a myth amongst the left that representation in any field must be proportional to the demographics of the population. Any rationally objective human being knows this isn't true. But the liberals perpetuate it anyways.

Just because Jews have a dispproportionately high representation in the education system does not indicate presence of conspiracy. The Asian population is also highly represented in the educational system.

Why then are Blacks overly represented in the National Basketball Association? Is there an NAACP conspiracy to monopolize the inflated salaries and endorsements in this particular sporting industry? Why aren't Mexicans better represented in this sport? Does not the Latin American segment constitute a vast percentage of the population in this country?

Looking on Kurian's bio, I notice that one of his influences is Freud. That is right, the Jew, Freud.

Sounds like a case of circumcision envy to me. Let's get to the root of his psychosis.

Wow...way OT, but ya'll need to see this.

I'm almost drawn to tears myself, however all I need for that is the picture that inspired the ad. It's being reported that this is the single largest ad buy for the election so far, I guess from both sides.

And to those LLL's who would see this not for what it is, but instead twist it into something it's not...

GO TO HELL. You are the enemy and we no longer are fooled.

--

Real Clear Politics polling updates have Bush down 1 in FL and 2 in OH. Not good. He needs to be up by 4 to be safe, or close to safe with all of the crack for votes fraud going on.

#212 Right of middle

You and others here who believe Mr. Kurian's race is an issue are engaged in the same race-baiting Mr, Kurian himself is guilty of in his article. But I suppose it is trollish for me to point that out.

I also see that you have ignored the second part of my question: Does Mr. Kurian's race make his drivel any more or less offensive?

#229--

And the one he picks is a pseudoscientific charlatan. I didn't realize how much Freud just made stuff up (rather than actually doing research) until recently.

I reported here a Jew was shot to death in the West Bank.

Family has been notified. He was a soldier.

KerrySpot is reporting that fox poll also, good news I suppose

I submitted this feedback--think the moderator will include it?

Philip, Good start, but your point would have been stronger if you went beyond talking about how many Jews are at top universities and also pointed out how a disproportionate number of Jews are rich, run World banks, run Hollywood, and bake matzah with the blood of Christian children.

OT: The Kerry Spot has the 411 on a new 527 ad that will be airing in Battleground states. Here's an excerpt:

Lynn Faulkner (Ashley's father): "My wife, Wendy, was murdered by terrorists on September 11th."

Narrator: "The Faulkners' daughter Ashley closed up emotionally. But when President George W. Bush came to Lebanon, Ohio, she went to see him as she had with her mother four years before."

Linda Prince (a friend of the Faulkners): "He walked toward me and I said 'Mr. President this young lady lost her mother in the World Trade Center.' "

Ashley Faulkner: "And he turned around and he came back and he said 'I know that's hard, are you all right?' "

Prince: "Our president took Ashley in his arms and just embraced her. And it was at that moment that we saw Ashley's eyes fill up with tears."

Ashley Faulkner: "He's the most powerful man in the world and all he wants to do is make sure I'm safe, that I'm OK."

Lynn Faulkner: "What I saw was what I want to see in the heart and in the soul of the man who sits in the highest-elected office in our country."

Slightly to the right of Off topic:

OT: but I don't get it. Is this LGF blog conservative or zionist/jewish? or some combination? Do zionists now vote Republican? Aren't most zionist congresspeople liberal Democrats or LLL's like Boxer and Feinstein and Charles Schumer? What the H is going on here??

I watched a history program on A&E the other night. It was about the Nazi propaganda war machine against the Jews.

The editorial column by Philip Kurian is very much the same Jew hatred rhetoric as that of the documented Nazi propaganda.

Fact: Such propaganda resulted in the Mass Murder of millions of civilian Jews.

What's your point Philip Kurian ? Do you want to stroke up the Furnaces and Gas Chambers again?

Why are the closet antisemites coming out and saying this sort of thing, these days? Because nobody's denouncing and shunning them when they do, as used to be the case. The opposition is gone. In fact, most of this scumbag's academic facultymembers will probably be nodding their heads in self-satisfied agreement--another fine product of their hateful teachings.

#242 ConIL

Please leave your assumptions at the door. Thank you.

Real Clear Politics polling updates have Bush down 1 in FL and 2 in OH.

Must be all these letters from Guardian readers, convincing Ohio voters to support Kerry.

ConIL

Check the FAQs. (and I'm typing this in a friendly sort of way, but nuance doesn't show up in print)

Hee Hee. I used nuance in reference to myself.

I can't wear flip flops today because it is raining.

hmmm...
there seems to be some people who agree with his editorial, I wonder what they have in common???

"I enjoyed your article, however you did not dwell on recent Jewish problems such as 9/11 and the war in Iraq."
[Link: www.americanfreepress.net...]

Mohammed Marouf
giftsoftime@hotmail.com
Engineer
California"

"I can see form the letters received that the Jewish lobby is getting into high gear to try and silence you.

From the occupations of the letter writers you can see just how much Jews are overrepresented in society. I see here a doctor, a lawyer, a librarian and lots of students.

This jewish power must be stopped. You forgot to mention all the Jews who steal all the nobel prizes instead of leaving them for others.

Jahaan Badour
rentgin@hotmail.com
Computers
New York"

"I am glad you have the courage to stand up to the Jews. I agree with everything in your article, except you pointed out that the holocaust is a fact, when in reality what happenned is still open for debate.
"
Ayman Belghazi
Student
Michigan

Confirmed, BUSH IS UP 7 in FOX poll...very good news, even after convention they only had him up like 4?

Free speech is not always pleasant speech yet it is free for anyone to speak their mind no matter how vile it may seem to you with exception as a responsible member of a free society

Speech that incites or is used to inflame that might lead to or cause violence can be deemed illegal in certain contexts

As we have seen freedom is never free and free people can be free to do bad things

So were does this leave humanity?

There are always extremes in the world

As all blessed people know balance is essential in life to maitnain fortitude throughout our limited time journey

We dont eat chocolate all day even though it tastes great and makes us happy because we know that can be harmful

So too must we balance freedom with respect to liberty

Freedom is free to do liberty is free to be

You are free to do but I am free to be, if you use your freedom to not let me be you are abusing it and no longer free to do so. Abusing freedom not meeting the blance is a fine line and will probably always be everchanging and debatable based on context and perspectives

Freedom includes respect of others or at least concern for their safety that is known as responsiblity.

The patriot act is a great example
We balance freedom with security due to our current perspective and context which might change and this balance newly realized

Oh and BTW

I LOVE BUSH -- all sorts :)

FIGHT TERRORISM

Minnesota - The only state to oppose Reagan (and vote for Mondale!) flirts with conservatism

[Link: slate.msn.com...]

It is a new era - the young people are not as easily fooled and manipulated we are smarter and better
we have values and we are willing to sacrifice for righteousness when necessary

No one likes to kill but will do so naturally when required

#242 ConIL

"OT: but I don't get it. Is this LGF blog conservative or zionist/jewish? or some combination? Do zionists now vote Republican? Aren't most zionist congresspeople liberal Democrats or LLL's like Boxer and Feinstein and Charles Schumer? What the H is going on here??"

Oy vey.

From Haman to Hitler to Hamas and now to the fans of Coach K, it's always the same.

Want to find the locus of evil? Look for those wanting to be rid of the Jews.

Conil

"Labels are meaningless"

/John Kerry

#203 Slim, your theory doesn't hold up because Kurian preempts it with

While Jews undoubtedly lay claim to a long history of racism and genocide that continues across the world today, this characterization does not transport perfectly to the United States. After World War II, overt anti-Semitism gradually subsided, in part because of American response to Hitler’s murderous regime, but largely due to Jewish association with whiteness and the privileges white skin affords. In short, Jews can renounce their difference by taking off the yarmulke. Clearly, this is not a luxury enjoyed by all minority groups.

Apparently you did not read the whole article.

#197 just right of middle

Dang, can't a brother get his props around here? I put that link in on post 56.

You are tasting what it's like to dash yourself against the vast MSM stone wall. Not really, sorry about that, skipping through the comments I just happened to see it first in Charles' post.

#249 IDFDave

From the occupations of the letter writers you can see just how much Jews are overrepresented in society. I see here a doctor...

Antisemite slime slithers into any crack it can find, even the "prestigious" British Medical Journal has allowed itself to become a platform for gratuitous Jew hatred.

I'm only somewhat heartened to see that most of the comments on the article denounce it.

Leftist politics taken to their logical conclusion:

Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron, written in 1961:

THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren’t only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.

(...)

[Hazel] had a perfectly average intelligence, which meant she couldn’t think about anything except in short bursts. And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.

Rest of the short story at the above link.

Talkin Kammel...

Maybe you can clear something up for me?...

I always thought that the NAZIs were the National SOCIALIST Party of Germany rather than conservatives...am I confused!

There's a series of comments among the mostly anti-Kurian comments on the websites written under Arabic names and saying pretty outlandish things. These are actually pretty funny if intended as satire. Sadly, I think they are serious.

Greetings From Pennsylvania

I'm in Bethlehem, PA for a panel discussion tonight with Kos and the Wonkette. I'll report on that event later. In the meantime, check out the new pro-Bush ad by Progress for America. It's called Ashley's Story, and it's powerful.

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Ashley's Story

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Never forget...Never forgive!

#244 Pickle

Why are the closet antisemites coming out and saying this sort of thing, these days? Because nobody's denouncing and shunning them when they do, as used to be the case.

Not only that, but supposed 'moral leaders' don't just fail to denounce, but encourage the haters. Some here have already mentioned Presbyterians meeting sympathetically with a terrorist organisation. Anglicans threaten to disinvest in Israel but make no attempt to discourage palestinians from terrorism.

This ranting piece of garbage by a senior at a respected University demonstrates, among other things, how far the university has fallen. The guy writes like he doesn't have a clue that the university's mission is to educate the most able students it can attract. It's as if the concept of academic merit is utterly alien to him. The sheer anti-intellectualism of it is stunning.
Here in California, Asians dominate the best UC schools, and I'm sure Jews are "overrepresented" too. So what? This guy ought to be publicly rebuked by the university for this ignorant, incendiary screed. Maybe Duke could even assert that it stresses academic merit in admissions, and not bogus "diversity" unrelated to ability to succeed at intellectual endeavor.

#256 Roger

I did read the whole thing. It's that last part that was most telling...

He as a black can't lose his skin and assimilate. He believes Jews can (assimilate). That's his rationalization for his frustration with the fact that Jews have succeeded in America and his minority hasn't (particularly).

This is a theme among blacks all the time. It's embarassing to them that other later-arriving minorities (Asians, Latins) are succeeding here better than blacks are, and even without affirmative action in some cases.

I just don't think he's Judenhass, but clearly there's only that one opinion that welcome here. So perhaps I should go.

#3 Tedzilla99

Brainwashed : How Universities Indoctrinate America's Youth

And the Daily Bruin (UCLA) unfavorable review - DAILY BRUIN SENIOR STAFF

Intellectual Morons : How Ideology Makes Smart People Fall for Stupid Ideas

Why Nations go to War

Carnage and Culture : Landmark Battles in the Rise to Western Power

The Wealth and Poverty of Nations: Why Some Are So Rich and Some So Poor

Some idle thoughts:

For the past 30 years, and certainly for the last 3, the academic left has done everything possible to excuse, legitimize, and glorify terrorist violence by those with whom the left sympathizes. There is no atrocity too depraved to be excused, no brutality worthy of their qualified denunciation---if it comes from their side.

One of their favorite tropes, the "cycle of violence," in fact exploits the power of terrorism by implying that defensive measures will simply make the problem worse (leaving surrender as the only option, in case that is not obvious).

The academic left has not been the target of violence; but, given all this, it is apparent that they would be highly susceptible to it.
Why else would they believe so ardently that the willingness to commit atrocities is a test of legitimacy ("poor desperate people resort to desperate measures")?

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

I just don't think he's Judenhass, but clearly there's only that one opinion that welcome here.

You're more than entitled to your opinion. It happens to be wrong.

Those discussing the Presbyterians:

Be aware that there are two branches. The Presbyterians USA are left/liberal---very.

I did not link to the article but noted that the post said US Presbyterian and they have been referring to the USA branch.

From Pharoh, to Herod, to Hitler, to Hamas, humanity continues to try to rid themselves of the Jews "Gods chosen people" When will they learn?

Next thing you hear, some schtinkers complaining that Jewish scientists get priveleged treatment on Nobel Prize Commettee. Or may be not, after all they would not be able to claim 'Holocaust exploitation' as Jewish scientist were "overrepresented" among the Nobel Prize laureates long before that.

I'm sure that my Man, The Rev. Al is appreciative of Mr Kurians efforts at moving the race forward as a force for the future. Al is pleased with affirmative achievements and is currently seeking to institute a program of double affirmative action to speed up the process. Mr Kurian fits right in with Al's ideas about gettin' ahead by moving others behind, which is a key component of Al's new ideas about civil rights.

Oy Vay! (did I get that right?)

Is that all it takes to raise your chances of getting into Harvard? Be Jewish? Sign me up! Where's my Yamulka?

And to think all these years it had to to with intelligence and ability, or legacy or being black or something. But to just be Jewish! Still sounds too simple, though. I bet it's harder to get into "respectable" Universities than that.

#267

Someone answered my Q "Oy Vey" and there are about 10+ links to Israeli newspapers on the side bar, so I am concluding this site is less USA conservative and slightly more interested in jewishness and zionism.

And PS I did read the FAQ, so sorry about applying labels. Have fun, you people. But if Bush wins and appoints conservative justices to the Supreme Court, I don't want to see ANY two-faced backstabbing and whining against the man GWBush at that point. No cafeteria GWB supporters here I hope.

Ciao.

#242 ConIL

Ya, why don't these people fit into the nice round hole a good round peg should fit into?

What will happen next?