Well, when you think about it logically, they should learn Arabic, since they're being dhimmi-ized.

I guess they think Americans are an endangered species.

So, they're getting used to the concept of "Republique Francaise Islamique," apparently.

I am now sick to my stomach. Unbelievable. They have completely lost any sense of national pride. Where are the musketeers when you need them for these people!

KWH,

Nah, I'd say they're preparing for the French Terror Alert level to hit "Collaborate." Never hurts to plan ahead.

Jacques better get ready

They MUST be ready to read the Koran (Quran?).

No need for stinking English when your country is fast becoming an Islamist state.

Like putting Wi-Fi in Jerusalem, English lessons would endanger the Arab identity of RFI.

Sorry for the early OT:

Guardian calls it quits in Clark County fiasco

The cancellation of the project came 24 hours after the first of some 14,000 letters from Guardian readers began arriving in Clark County. The missives led to widespread complaints about foreign interference in a US election.

It also prompted a surge of indignant local voters calling the county's Republican party offering to volunteer for Mr Bush.

BWAHAHAHHA!!!!

You play with fire, you're going to get burned.

“If we must make a language compulsory, it should be Arabic,” he said.

This will come in handy when reading all those scientific and medical journals written in Arabic. Not to mention all the great literature coming out of the ME.

Awesome idea France. Go learn Arabic. Wish I'd thought of it.

Perhaps so they can accurately read the koran? You remember, that's the only way one can find the true meanings in it.

Lovely.....now they'll be able to surrender in another language.

The French have elevated the art of surrender to the point where they quit before the battle even starts.

#9

hahahaha! and not to mention all the computers and codes

French used to be an important language to learn.
Today?
Not at all.

“If we must make a language compulsory, it should be Arabic,” he said.

Wow. Au revoir, France.

Koedo,
Perhaps they should change their flag to all white? I mean, after all, they are in a constant state surrender.

Well there you have it.

First Iran, then Frawnce.

Something about this smells vichy to me.

Knowing Arabic will facilitate negotiations on kickbacks and bribes.

#19 Bob G.

GROAN!!!!!

"That won't last..." English will be spoken by billions when French is a long forgotten dead tongue. It's a brain-dead tongue now.

Sometimes just when you think that France can't surprise you anymore, they go ahead and do this.

The policy of America is pre-emptive war.

The policy of France is pre-emptive surrender.

Un-fricking-believable.

"It won't last"

That is exactly what the Liberals the world over hope for.

The destruction of the Free America we know and love

Hey Frenchies and all you other Liberals taking America won't be that simple - we fight back

Oui oui.

How does one say "I give" in Arabic?

Does Jean Francois Kerry speak nonsense in Arabic as well?

Oh come on people-Jean Francois is obviously responding to the desperate need of the FBI to get Arabic translators (especially given that Sephardic Jews need not apply).

/laughing my head off.

OT: Anan says UN's reputation has really suffered b/c of Oil for Palaces-but that's all he really cares about.

Cool.

And then we can switch from English as the mandatory spoken in the cockpit to Arabic--a language representing a people who have zero to do with aviation unless you count flying jets into buildings.

Something someone sent me knowing my soft spot for flyboys and all things aviatory--

A Pan Am 727 flight waiting for start clearance in Munich overheard the following:
Lufthansa (in German): "Ground, what is our start clearance time?"
Ground (in English): "If you want an answer you must speak in English."
Lufthansa (in English): "I am a German, flying a German airplane, in Germany. Why must I speak English?"
Unknown voice from another plane (in a beautiful British accent): "Because you lost the bloody war!"

Dear G-d.

The Islamic Republique of France

It's the right thread for a reminder:

The Battle of Tours-Poitiers has long occupied a prominent position in Western historiography. The eighth- or ninth-century Carolingian Continuator of Fredegar wrote that Charles Martel won his famous victory over the Muslim invaders of the Frankish Kingdom Christo auxiliante.1 Eight centuries later, other clerical authors, the Bollandists, emphasized the miraculous nature of Charles' victory in their writings.2 Beginning in the eighteenth century, however, non-clerical authors began to exaggerate the significance of the battle. Edward Gibbon, for example, wrote in 1776,

A victorious line of march had been prolonged above a thousand miles from the rock of Gibraltar to the bank of the Loire; the repetition of an equal space would have carried the Saracens to the confines of Poland and the Highlands of Scotland; the Rhine is not more impassable than the Nile or Euphrates, and the Arabian fleet might have sailed without a naval combat into the mouth of the Thames. Perhaps the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford, and her pupils might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the revelation of Muhammad.3

Similarly, M. Guizot and Mme. Guizot de Witt wrote in 1869 that
it was a struggle between East and West, South and North, Asia and Europe, the Gospel and the Koran; and we now say,
on a general consideration of events, peoples, and ages, that the civilization of the world depended on it.

Neither the Mozarabic Chronicle nor the Chronicle of Fredegar date the battle, but the event is recorded sub anno 732 in the Annals of Aniane and the Chronicle of Moissac. The battle is also recorded in brief notices in several other monastic chronicles. The Annals of St. Amand report sub anno 732: Karlus bellum habuit contra Saracinos in mense Octobri. The Annales Petaviani are more specific, as die sabbato is added to the same account. Both the Annals of Lorsch and the Annals of Alamannia report sub anno 732: Karolus pugnavit contra Saracenos die sabbato ad Pectavis. Thus, there is a consensus in most of the Latin sources that the battle occurred on a Saturday in October, 732.

#27 Ack. Misread article. I thought it was John Kerry promoting Arabic. DUH. Scratch that post of mine.

#4 Crimfonfisted

Where are the musketeers when you need them for these people!

Uh, being replaced by the Mosqueteers?

La ilahah illa alla repetez class

You'd think between Lance and W whipping their derrieres collectif so often they'd want to learn Texan.

Repetez apres moi class "Hahdee mayum"

Not to worry, Jacques. Not only will Arabic end up being compulsory - in about forty years, French will be banned.

Welcome to Eurabia!

Ever stop to wonder whether it's in Karachi, Paris or Shanghai half the signs are in English?

Arabic?

I forgot, the absence of real banking and credit is the best way for financial growth. Multiplier effect be damned.

This will come in handy when reading all those scientific and medical journals written in Arabic. Not to mention all the great literature coming out of the ME.

Not to mention international business.

Teaching Arabic in France is like teaching Spanish in California.

So many people speak it as their native language anyways, whats the point?

Hey Jacques, how do you say "Yes, it hurts when you do that. But don't worry, I'll get used to it" in Arabic?

Te va a doler el culo mucho mas dentro de poco, Jacques.

“If we must make a language compulsory, it should be Arabic,”

If you're going to surrender you might as well be prepared.

Arabic great idea! Maybe they can teach car swarming techniques in gym class too!

Sorry. Left out *language*. Flying mind, flying fingers.

If we must make a language compulsory, it should be Arabic,”

C'mon, that's the Kerry PLAN for public education !!!

I DONT want the french to learn ENGLISH

Let them wallow in their delusions of grandeur and remain worthless to humanity

They might contribute to society and not be tied to the dark side - id rather them stay in the crap

Teaching Arabic? That way French students will be able to read all the thousands of books that are translated every year from English to Arabic.

(sarcasm off)

Sure...they should learn Arabic. If their daughters date someone they don't like, they should kill their daughters. They should ride camels in Paris and stifle the fashion industry.

Our news organizations should blast France. Or ignore it. Which ever hurts them more.

If the French learn English, they will know why they are disliked, but if they learn Arabic, they will know why they are going to be killed. Their choice.

#37 Geepers

Ever stop to wonder whether it's in Karachi, Paris or Shanghai half the signs are in English?

English, the language of international commerce.

French, the language of international surrender.

(Is it true that the French dictionary has 37 different words listed that mean 'surrender' like the Eskimoes have all those different words that mean 'snow'?)

If we must make a language compulsory, it should be Arabic

Ahahahahaha! He is right you know, when discussing the French. Man, you can't make this stuff up. Sorry, but it is going to be a lot of fun watching the French realize that Islam has no desire to put up with their ennui, vices, freedom, outspokeness, and luxury. The "brave" French protesters who normally crusade against a freakin' McDonalds are going to be so suprised when their future gatherings are met with with volleys of AK-47 and RPG fire, the torching of their homes, and the abuse of their family members.

So yeah, mandate Arabic. It's going to be a wild ride.

#15 amir 10/22/2004 09:47AM PST

French is important! How else can you understand the opening ceremonies of the Olympics or translate perfume bottles without knowing French?

Here's a pillow. Go sleep in that bed.

But don't come crying to Mommy and Daddy English-Speaking Society when you have a nightmare.

#28 jemima

More German air traffic control humor:

The German air controllers at Frankfurt Airport are a short-tempered lot. They not only expect one to know one's gate parking location, but how to get there without any assistance from them. So it was with some amusement that we (a Pan Am 747) listened to the following exchange between Frankfurt ground control and a British Airways 747, call sign "Speedbird 206":

Speedbird 206: "Top of the morning, Frankfurt, Speedbird 206 clear of the active runway."

Ground: "Guten Morgen. You will taxi to your gate."

The big British Airways 747 pulled onto the main taxiway and slowed to a stop.

Ground: "Speedbird, do you not know where you are going?"

Speedbird 206: "Stand by a moment, Ground, I'm looking up our gate location now."

Ground (with arrogant impatience): "Speedbird 206, have you never flown to Frankfurt before?"

Speedbird 206 (coolly): Yes, I have, actually, in 1944. In another type of Boeing, but just to drop something off. I didn't stop."

Lesson 1:

How to say "I surrender" in arabic.

“If we must make a language compulsory, it should be Arabic,” he said.

I agree with Jacques. If you're going to be part of the Caliphate, you need to learn the language of the Qu'ran.

/I kid the French.

The damn shame is that in the end we will end up bailing their asses out yet again.

I like it when Frenchmen speak English. There's something about that "Inspector Clouseau" accent that may be worth preserving.

#54 Fondu

Speaking of French and perfume...

haha, wait, am I the first to think Team America?

Dirka Dirka, Dirka Jihad Jihad, Dirka Jihad Allah Jihad, Mohammed Jihad Dirka Dirk.

How do you say Fuck France in arabic?

Arabic. The tongue of our destined Overlords.

“If we must make a language compulsory, it should be Arabic,” he said.

Oh, it won't just be the language that's compulsory, Jacques.

Sharia, anyone?

The French want to excell over tout le monde in -- Dhimmitude

Can't wait for FRENCH to wear cone hats, bells on their shoes and yellow on their clothes (as mandated by Moslems on Dhimmis long ago) --- Toujours the French lead in fashion

Back from lunch.

Boy, the mall is packed with dozens of Japanese men (well, one of the men was named "Kato", which doesn't sound Japanese to me) in very nice suits wearing "Lexus" name tags.

Also, despite what appears to be no activity on local HGX doppler, had a 5 minute rain shower at the corner of Westheimer and Post Oak.

#34

Beautiful!

Oui, maître, je l'aime quand vous faites cela. Mais pourriez-vous employer KYjelly la fois prochaine ?

#63 Postal Worker

France is already fucked-so don't worry about it.

Merde!

#66 nagasaki_hata

The yellow on the clothes is from pissing in their pants at the prospect of fighting.

you can start today
learn Arabic free

[Link: afl.ajeeb.com...]

#70 WriterMom

Ah, yes, what was I thinking???

So, when I curse at an inappropriate time do I have to say, "Pardon my Arabic" now?

France and Islam...a nearly perfect marriage (the perfect French marriage...the one to the Nazis was broken up over their protests).

Kerry, always a couple steps behind the French: there he was this week promising Floridian Haitians "Je will assistire vouz Haitiennes" en Francaise the other day.

Guess he didn't get Chirac's new arabic talking points.

Napoleon is spinning in his grave.

Perhaps so they can accurately read the koran? You remember, that's the only way one can find the true meanings in it.

I've always wondered about that. If one learns Arabic in school, I'd assume he/she would continue to think in their native language, and would really only be reading a self translation of the Koran.

I think to truly learn the Koran in the only language good enough for the Prophet Mohammad (SWAT), one has to either be born in an Arabic culture or be so immersed in Arabic one begins to think, even dream, in Arabic.

Though I despise the French, it will be a great loss to Western Civilization when Notre Dame is converted into a mosque like the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul was.

#73 nimslight

WICKED site. Thank you for that linky.. I started to learn Arabic in university, but dropped it. I am definitely going to check this out.

Does this include john kerry, meaning something resembling intelligible American English, coming from his empty head and mouth?

#69 LOL! But gross.

OT: Two men ran onstage and threw custard pies at conservative columnist Ann Coulter as she was giving a speech at the University of Arizona, hitting her in the shoulder, police said.

#82 WriterMom

Glad someone got it!!

OT: Ann Coulter Pie-Throwing Assailants

#8 beblebrox

a reference to the fact that the first woman to receive a letter from a Guardian reader, Beverly Coale, threw it away, fearing it was from a terrorist.

aw, come on, there is no way you could confuse a letter from a Guardian drone for a letter from a terrorist.....(thinks about it for a minute) - well, I guess you probably could.

Jaysus, the clueless left. Can't even organize a decent spamalanche.

#69

Gross... but I am still smiling.....

I think that it makes good sense for the French to learn Arabic. With their attitude towards terrorism and their proclivity to raise the white flag, it is just a matter of time before they will be overtaken by the first arabic country that successfully develops nuclear weapons.

They may want to first learn how to say "Welcome, I surrender" in arabic in case this happens sooner than we all think.

When I see and hear the French today it makes me sick to my stomach when I think of how many lives we gave at Normandy.

#63 PostalWorker

How do you say Fuck France in arabic?

"In'al Abuk Ya France" - it doesn't mean "Fuck France", but it's a bad curse and the name of a book written by a North African Frenchman.

North Algeria should do better to learn the language of its brother state: German, no strike that, Turkish. So few neurons, so much collaboration to be done.

The few North Algerian books I had left are now in the dump.

Kick traitors North Algeria and Turkey out of NATO, now! Split Belgium. Revert Schengen.

I guess Lance may as well start preparing for the Tour de Iran.

If their Muslim population gets any larger they may be FORCED TOO. So they might as well make a premptive strike......whoa wait a minute, premption is never the answer right??

Suggested textbook: "Arabic for Dhimmis."

Just this month the Shanghai government announced that starting in 2006, mathematics and Western civilization courses will be taught in English in all of Shanghai's 200 middle and high schools. This is to provide a greater immersion in English, as well as to build a foundation for greater exposure to scientific usages of English. The decision was made after a five-year study that showed students coming out of the randomly-selected trial program had not only a better command of English, but also performed better academically overall, were more active in their communities, and more ambitious and successful in university admissions.

The French don't seem to get it.

Many Shanghainese students today are trilingual: Shanghainese (Wu), Mandarin, and English; they learn Mandarin also during grade school. BTW, Shanghainese/Wu has 80 million speakers.

Still, the Chinese language is actually pretty important, for its sheer size of speakers and economic development; as well as the fact that 80% of higher-level Japanese text is written in Chinese characters.

#63

How do you say fuck France in French??

They've got a point.

Arabic will certainly be useful when they surrender to the islamonazis.

Of course, knowing how to say "please rescue us from ourselves - again in English would useful, too - if we gave a shit anymore.

#8 beblebrox

a reference to the fact that the first woman to receive a letter from a Guardian reader, Beverly Coale, threw it away, fearing it was from a terrorist.

aw, come on, there is no way you could confuse a letter from a Guardian drone for a letter from a terrorist...is there? (doubt creeps into voice)...is there? (realization sets in).

I can just imagine the rant in that one.

Jaysus, the clueless left. Can't even organize a decent spamalanche.

OT

kerry picks up key foreign endorsement

Special congratulations from the Ansar al-Sunnah Army to the Tawhid wal-Jihad Movement, on the occasion of its addition to the list of terrorists.....

Our congratulations should not be a surprise to anyone who understands the true nature of our Islamic religion, which is based on verses from the noble Quran and the words of the noble prophet. We are optimistic that this recent declaration by the evil Bush government [adding Zarqawi's Tawhid and Jihad group to the list of terrorist organizations] will only bring us joy and happiness....

Praise be to Allah, it increased the joy in our hearts that John Kerry, the presidential candidate criticized the Bush governmentfor taking so long in making this declaration. The one who may be president of America [John Kerry] is already struck with terror by our brothers from the Tawheed wal-Jihad Movement [Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's group]. The repeated attacks that have targetted the evil Bush are now echoing on Kerry, even though he is not yet a president. This is what Allah means when he commands us to 'terrorize your enemy and the enemy of Allah."

Endorsement of the Army of al Sunnah goes to Kerry

Napoleon is spinning in his grave.

Why, are the Arabs also invading Corsica?

Besides, Napoleon would've spun himself out after 1871, 1914 and 1940.

Suggested slogan:

-Islam: got Antichrist?

I hope theya ll stop learning English. Then we can proceed with our plans for world domination without them suspecting until it's too late. Nitwits.

#80 WriterMom

if i learn it. i would have to use it to fight the evil.
the cia and fbi are short handed

Sure the Arabs have a lot of gall to push their language on others, but then Gual has a lot of Arabs.

Do you guys know what the French word for dhimmi is?

It's Francais.

OT

My boss just got off the phone with the oil trader at his bank. (I work for a small but expanding oil company with production in Texas, Louisiana and Arkansas).

The oil trader said rumor making the rounds is that George Soros is involved in running up the price of crude oil. Volume traded has been rather thin for the run up seen in the prices.

If one did it correctly, one could make a fortune by driving up the price of oil then shorting the market and letting it collapse.

Plus, it isn't doing Bush any favors.

Aha! Now I know why Helen Hunt was portrayed as a celebrity moonbay in TAWP.

Actress Helen Hunt has made a little film for Planned Parenthood that urges single women to vote as a big liberal bloc. Poor Helen comes to the polling place in scary black and white with a patriarchal mate. But when she enters the ballot box, everything turns to color, as if Dorothy landed in Oz. While she's in smiling at the other idealistic women for abortion and other liberal causes, like educating the children that were spared from "choice," the male partner peers in cluelessly from the black and white world, wondering where his love slave went. Doesn't she know he's waiting patiently to oppress her?

Hey, here's the January surprise from the Prez:

Bin Laden's exact location is known, says 9-11 panelist

The Pentagon knows exactly where Osama bin Laden is hiding in Pakistan, it just can't get to him, John Lehman, a member of the 9-11 commission, said Thursday.

"We'll get (bin Laden) eventually, just not now," he said. Asked how bin Laden was surviving, Lehman said he was getting money from outside countries, such as the United Arab Emirates and high-ranking ministers inside Saudi Arabia.

moonbay = moonbat. PIMF

OT

Another example of European superiority

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WE HAVE HIT A CHICKEN

[Link: news.scotsman.com...]

#57 Jonny
Hmm...
Nouveau Literarture class?:

" How do I surrender to thee,
let me count the ways..."

Not yet. BUt he WILL be when Sharia-jihadis rip his sarcophagus out of the Arc de Triomphe

Napoleon is buried at L'Hotel Des Invalides.

OT: Kerry's "hunting" trip.

Once again, I couldn't help myself.

Live, Woody... LIVE!

This is appropriate, since both "Islam" and "France" mean surrender.

The man is a total idiot. People learn languages for two basic reasons: to communicate with speakers of other languages should they find themselves in a language milieu different from their native tongue and to acquire knowledge not available in their own language.
The second reason is why people learn English today and if any LGFers like me lived and worked in a non-English setting, they know how many riches knowing English bestows on us.
Arabic, Chinese and Spanish are linguistic know shows until they start producing knowledge at the exponential rate the anglosphere does. And that's not likely to happen any time soon especially concerning the first mentioned.

Actress Helen Hunt has made a little film for Planned Parenthood

Couldn't they have hired someone who is at least young enough to be fertile?

Sheesh.

#77 locutus - Don't know about Nappy, but that whirring sound you hear is definitely Charles Martel.

Allons, enfants de la Patrie,
la jour de la surrendre est arrive'

Yep, sounds about right to me.

#105 nimslight

Didja see this? Undercover American Mom learns Arabic and busts terrorists on the Internet.

#63
IMO, this is one of the best ways to say it in English.

I love the state of Louisiana!!!

Louisiana buys $5m worth of Israel Bonds

The Louisiana Department of the Treasury has purchased $5 million in State of Israel bonds "to diversify investments and develop economic ties between the State of Louisiana and the State of Israel," according to a Treasury statement from Baton Rouge. This is the first time that Louisiana has bought Israel Bonds.

"This is a win-win situation for Louisiana and Israel," said Louisiana State Treasurer John Kennedy. "Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. It is America's only true friend in the Middle East, and it is one of our staunchest allies."

Unlike some churches and most universities, Louisiana is NOT divesting from Israel. Its good to know morality exists in some governments.

If you don't want this to happen here, spread the truth about Islam. To that end, go here:

[Link: www.nojihad.com...]

download it, and print 10 copies. Hand them out, repeat as necessary.

This is "Islam for the Perplexed" by Hugh Fitzgerald of JihadWatch fame. (You might want to proofread it. We posted it just he riffed it, and it has typos.)

Also go to: [Link: www.faithfreedom.org...]

and print that out, plus here:

[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...]

and do the same.

You posters are the activists. We must turn others into likeminded people until the country AS A WHOLE just cries out to expel these monsters

Ethelred - questioningIslam@yahoo.com

and [Link: www.NoJihad.com...]

Freanch leaders speak:

2004:

If we must make a languange compulsory, it should be Arabic.

2015:

If we must make a religion compulsory, it should be Islam

2020:

If we must make religious law compulsory, it should be Shari'a.

2021:

If we must make warfare compulsory, it should be jihad.

Welcome to to hell, Jacques; you asked for it.

#25 Rayra

Nope!!!

Let ALL of France burn on the pyre built by their own hands. Good riddence to bad trash!!!

My bad - that should've been no show.
BTW just what exactly does the idiot Frenchman want the students to learn when he speaks of Arabic. There are so many dialects - many of them mutually unintelligible.
Furthermore, no-one speaks the classical Arabic of the Koran. What an a-hat. Ignorance and arrogance are a detestable combination. Unfortunately it's the fave French combo.

#122 writermom
good deal thanks
i like the ending

life sentence
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Arabic for Frenchmen, Lesson 1. Helpful phrases:

1) Yes, excellency, my daughter is a virgin!

2) Here is a list of disloyal persons.

3) The Jew lives in this house, Excellency!

4) The stoning will be held at the Place du Carrousel.

5) Thank you for liberating our country from European decadence.

You mean to say taht Arabic is not already the offical language of France?

#109 Ed Moran

They had said he would do this months ago, along with manipulating the stock market. Given the lengths this madman will go to, ie moveon, etc., and his endless sources of money, why the hell isn't he being investigated???? His citizenship should be revoked, damn it. He is an enemy of the same country that gave him refuge. Schmuck.....he has the worst case of BDS on earth, but sadly he also has the money to destroy the country, and will stop at nothing in order to get President Bush defeated.

To fwance: your very near future!

I personally think the French SHOULD learn how to surrender in ALL languages

OT - but can someone give me some info for debunking the Dems whining about Bush and "No School Left Behind"?

The damn shame is that in the end we will end up bailing their asses out yet again.

No we won't.

CANTON, OHIO, October 22—George Bush's scheduled Friday afternoon visit to a military supplier here can be viewed as a shining emblem of the "jobless recovery," not to mention yet more proof that Keynesian economics works. When he goes to Timken Co., he'll be visiting a manufacturer whose top management has made major political contributions since 2000.

The Timken family, maker of parts for combat and cargo planes, has given considerable money to Bush since August 2000, with W.R. Timken Jr. and his relatives chipping in a total of $400,000 in soft money.

The first time Bush was running for president, Timken was in the doldrums. Today, it has renewed life thanks to the war in Iraq, which has meant more demand for aircraft parts, and thanks to free trade policies under which it shifted jobs out of the U.S.

In April 2003, writes The Plain Dealer, Bush visited Canton and predicted his administration's tax cuts would mean "more money for growth and more money for jobs." It certainly meant more money.

Under Bush, the company, with $3.8 billion in annual sales, has received millions of federal dollars through one channel or another. It got $45 million, or more than 60 percent of all the Pentagon's weapons systems contracts, according to the Center for Public Integrity, the Washington, D.C.–based public interest research group. Another investigation, this one by The Plain Dealer, found that the company's military business jumped 176 percent under Bush.

Many of the contracts were let without bidding, the paper noted.

Timken makes parts for the army's Apache attack helicopter; for the TH47 cargo helicopter, also for the army; and for the air force's F16 fighters—all aircraft used in the Iraq war. Making parts for the military is a small but lucrative side of the company's overall operations.

Timken's business was also buoyed by the company's having paid no federal income taxes last year and in 2001. Now the company is set to benefit from new corporate tax cuts, and it has been paid millions more in anti-dumping penalties levied on foreign steel makers. The Bush administration's tariffs made this possible.

None of the administration's military pump-priming was of much help to the Timken workers, who are barely hanging on to jobs. Three local plants, and some 1,300 jobs, are on the chopping block, reports The Plain Dealer. In part, those workers are at risk because—despite all these subsidies from the U.S.—Timken chose to build a new plant in China.

will come in very handy when the saracens reinhabit the massif des maures--allahu ackbah monsieur

#133 Tats 66

They have already, under the socialist state, been issued a never-ending supply of white flags.

#136

FOAD.

kelly it is Friday.... can you just go away till 5pm central. I can't deal with troll droppings today.

Oops...obviously that should be "No CHILD Left Behind"...

Does the Bush doctrine of pre-emptive action allow us to invade France now, at least to save Champagne, the Loire valley, etc

Save France de la Frontera!

/only partly kidding

#33 WriterMom

Thank you for your kind words in your email this morning.

I really thought I was losing it when I read that filthy Vancouver islamic article.

Arabic so they can properly serve their Muhammedan overlords in a few decades. English is the international language of those who aspire to freedom and free markets with Japan and India being fine examples.

“If we must make a language compulsory, it should be Arabic,” he said.

I agree. Arabic is the language of their future.

#141 Frank I B C

And Hanoi john is a horses' left derriere......

How do you say Two For One Sale in French?

#135
Oui, d'accord!
But, to remain nuanced, we can always vote for bailing them out, before we vote against it.

On my travels I have found that I only need two languages wherever I am in the world.

1. English.

2. English spoken very slowly and loudly (as if the person listening is stupid).

With these two languages everyone gets the message.

heyniceboard (#97):

This is to provide a greater immersion in English, as well as to build a foundation for greater exposure to scientific usages of English.

And to prepare for invasion.

Thirty-five years ago my Spanish teacher told us that English wasn't and would never be the most spoken or important language of the world. He indicated that more people spoke Spanish and Chinese as validation of his opinion that English was in for a BIG fall. Well, he was wrong then and he and Jacques Myard are wrong today. The languages deemed "necessary" to know are those used in the economic marketplace and as long as the U.S. economy is the big ship in that bathtub, it's not likely to be ignored in favor of Arabic.

#143 Miss Trixie

(((((hug)))))

109 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C

The oil trader said rumor making the rounds is that George Soros is involved in running up the price of crude oil. Volume traded has been rather thin for the run up seen in the prices.

Wouldn't doubt one bit this leftist piece of shit is involved.

Here is a couple of his demolish jobs, elsewhere.

"Soros' investing style for most of Quantum's existence was characterized by large short-term bets on market directions. He was especially known for his currency speculation. In 1992, Quantum made $2 billion on a successful bet that the Bank of England would be forced to devalue the pound, a move widely considered to be a major factor in the downfall of Prime Minister John Major's goverment".

"In 1998 Malaysia's president accused Soros of precipitating that country's financial crisis."

[Link: www.pbs.org...]

OT:

C'mon, everyone, let's all pitch in to help. Hamas announces competition to compose movement's anthem.

Oh, I think some Lizard poetry will come of this, I surely do.

136

despite all these subsidies from the U.S.—Timken chose to build a new plant in China.

Well why didn't you intervene stupid ass?...by the way, I'm sure you are fluent in fwench.

#140 bush's babe

if you are unwilling to hear or read what other people have found out about issues you might be happier in a dictatorship.

Given that English is the lingua franca of India, a country with 1 billion inhabitants, the honorable idiot in parliament didn't know what he was talking about...

Même s'il sait parler français!

I've wanted to learn Arabic for the past few years, because it is good to know your enemy... but I'm guessing that's not the reason the French are trying to foist in onto schoolchildren. It's been said before, but I'll say it again: the real war isn't over in Afghanistan or Iraq, it's right here in our classrooms, our newspapers and our televisions. If the people of France don't want to wake up one morning to find they've become North Algeria, they need to nip this thing in the bud, NOW!

#154 (sung to tune of Howdie Doodie)

Tra la la BOOM de-ay
We have no leaders today
They've all been car-b-qued
With Allah and been skewered
Nobody gets away
A car swarm every day
Makes tough recruting, though
For splodey work and so
We gonna run and hide
The IDFs missles reach far and wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide.

Dad was an offshore rig broker and foreign oil broker(past away in 2002), a NATO translator and did business all over the Planet.

English spoken, made it all happen.

Business and schools all rely on it.

International papers write in it.

End of story.

Rest of the world knows it, but idiot minnions do not.

The French are becoming a lost cause, and not an ally at all.

September, 2001 - I was totally immersed in my intermediate French lessons at a local Alliance Francaise. But after the terror attacks occurred and I eventually heard less than supportive information coming from France, my lips could no longer stomach forming French words.

I haven't spoken French since.

*************************************

#122 writermom -

Wow! Good for her.

A few days after September 11th, 2001 - I entered islamic phrases I found in the newspaper into Google search to see if I could find anything. What woke me up: Muslim preschools right here in U.S. that wanted to keep the western culture away from their children. Along with a long list of what they found disgusting about our culture - hint: Everything Hollywood represents around the world, basically; hate-filled Muslim websites referring to westerners and Jews as monkeys and pigs. I also read that the largest growing muslim converts in the U.S are hispanics (but I tried to pull up that info again and can't find it - so I can't verify that.) But I was left wondering if the Islamic extremists would prey on those who feel like victims all over the world. I thought I was beginning to sound paranoid. But, I don't know.

I also worried that the politically correct would be manipulated into ignoring what I was just learning. Now I see that they not only ignore Islamic extremism, but they seem to be playing right into their hands.

I've stated this before, but before September 11th I was a Democrat, but after learning more about Islamic terrorism and hearing insanity coming from my party - I realized most Democrats and I had little in common.

This lady did a noble thing by investigating further. Maybe we should all do this.

#159 WriterMom

AWESOME!
LOL!

disrobe clouseau--mustafa will have his way with you now--incedently until attaturk took over in turkey--turkish was written in arabic--attaturk--the cary grant of nation founders--made them change it to latinate ie the script english is written in--now there was a man with foresight--he hated the mullahs--banned the islamic fez--and brought his country kicking and screaming into the modern world by fiat

#109 Ed

Didn't Soros also have something to do with ruining Malaysia's economy using similar shenanigans a feww years back?

WriterMom

LOL, you're fast! I decided to use an old Warren Zevon tune as the genesis of my entry for Hamas Anthem. I left the title intact because, for Hamas, it's perfect.

I plant my bombs at the school bus stop
Just waiting for the children, see.
But the IDF took the bombs away,
Poor poor pitiful me.

Poor, poor pitiful me
Poor, Poor pitiful me.
The IDF won’t let me be,
Allah have mercy on me,
Woe is me.

I met a shaheed in Jerusalem,
He was wily as a cat.
He’d slip through the security screens,
Do it all for Arafat.
He made it through to the other side,
Was ready for the splendor.
His parts came back via UPS,
Marked “return to sender.”

Poor, poor pitiful me
Poor, Poor pitiful me.
The IDF won’t let me be,
Allah have mercy on me,
Woe is me.

I met a man in the Gaza Strip,
Said he could help us shoot straighter.
We gave him money and plans and guns,
He was a collaborator.

Poor, poor pitiful me
Poor, Poor pitiful me.
The IDF won’t let me be,
Allah have mercy on me,
Woe is me.

Why is Kelly Bundy posting as both "Kelly" and "Kelly Cooper".

So she'll have someone to agree with her?

soros is a devotee of "the open society"-he is -of course-one of its greatest enemies

kelly

I just want to deal with your BLATANT LLL MSM articles that are SO SLANTED I am always shock that you PRETENT it is news. It is like my run over to News Max and posting all those articles as gospel truth EVERY TIME I COME HERE.

Sounds like the Frech have become a cyclops to their own foreign policies.

a surrender flag in arabic is still white

waive that white flag proudly you fuckin smelly french bastards

The time to hestitate is through
Smoke the pavement with the tire
By a missle from a Jew
My rampage will so rudely retire

Come on baby light my fire
Come on baby light my fire

I forgot to add that the Wall Street Journal's online editorial page is soliciting entries for a Hamas anthem. Contact them at opinionjournal@wsj.com

#107

Personally, I always thought LaCarre's books were over-rated.

The French always try to learn the language of whoever they're surrendering to at the time. Notice that the language that really is becoming more and more irrelevant throughout the world is French. These days, if you're going to to business, you're better off knowing English, Spanish, Japanese, German and maybe even Russian (or perhaps one or both Chinese dialects). However, due to the internet, English is quickly becoming a global language.

That's frightening. I think it's very important that everyone try to learn more than one language (although my Spanish sucks), but Arabic? Uh, no. Especially because they're never going to be able to compete in the world economy because of their culture. Jackass.

#165 Belize042
OMG !!! Too funny!

My twisted mind now has visions of Linda Rondstadt singing this one. Just imagine that one... Must go find soap and scrub brush...

#156 Kelly

Hearing a difference of opinion is one thing; bombarding us with LLL articles which have nothing to do with the topic of the thread, and then getting huffy when somebody sees through your efforts to propagandize us, is quite another.

#159 Writer Mom & #165 Belize

LOL! You guys are wonderful song writers.

Sorry, you're all wrong. You should all be learning French. Here is your first lesson. Repeat after me:

"Monsieur Myard est un gros con"

Of course, almost every Spanish word beginning with the letters "al" is of Arabic origin (due the Moorish invasion), and other Spanish words, such as any Spanish place name including "Guadal" is of Spanish origin. "Guadal" is the Spanification of the Arabic "wadi al", meaning the creek.

Por ejemplo, Guadalajara is simply the corruption of the Arabic words meaning "rocky creek".

Don't ask me where I know that from, 'coz I don't remember.

Even our word "alcohol", one of the happiest words in the English language, is from Arabic.

they should learn it. they have over 5 million muslims there.

Good I don't want any of those ungrateful french morons speaking my language anyway.

I don't see what the fuss is about. They can learn Klingon for all I care.

Hey, the more I think about it, the better it sounds. A French waiter being rude in Klingon...what a concept!

howling@ErnieG's theorization

New line of fashion Burkas... buy Chanel... a fashionable burka, made with the finest burlap in france. The hood has a new opening for the eyes, twine edged flap so women can easily close it if the sun gets in their eyes or if kidnapped she can just close it herself so she will not see where she is going or identify which militants are kidnapping her this time. The Burka can be dyed to new fall fashion colors, brown camel, dusty brown sand or a lovely shade of Beige Donkey fur. It is made extra long so that walking is made more difficult. To avoid being shot in the head, women know they can't show those ankles in a brisk wind.. the newest element in Burka fashion... Burka pants.. made of the same french burlap and dyed to match your fashionable Burka. The pants are long enough to cover your legs to the ground so that no inch of flesh shows.

Ahhhyes... the new fashions from france are going to be a hit in the future...

see ya
cathy : )

I guess surrender is one of the possible strategies in the war on terror.. have everyone learn Arabic, convert to Islam.

Funny that France would choose that as a strategy though, given their proud history. How many countries were actually able to liberate themselves during ww2?

He told Le Monde: “English is the most-spoken language today, but that won’t last.”

Speak for yourself, dhimmi-boy.

“If we must make a language compulsory, it should be Arabic,” he said.

Fucking 'A' right!

The Frogs will need to be understood when they plead for mercy in arabic before they're beheaded.

Cheese & Rice!

WHAT IN THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!!

(To the tune of Volare)

Al Qaeda --- oh oh
We made ya -- oh oh oh oh

We blew kids up to the clouds
While you were still soiling your shrouds
Let us not share the glory which Allah's most gory words praise
We're not dodging incoming but cashing the checks Europe pays

Al Qaeda, oh oh
You blew it, ho ho ho ho

#136 kelly

I almost want to see JFinK win so he can implement protectionism, keep his Chinese donors happy, and make our 'allies' happy. Almost. The huge explosion of failures would be funny to watch.

Remember, genius, Clinton was the "new global economy" president.

Where's Alan Sherman when we really need him?

#156 Kelly (The liberal who posts at a conservative site):

Hey, here's a new idea for you: what if you actually posted something that was ON TOPIC?

#132 NY Nana

Soros should be heaved overboard about half way to the Azores. The man is a sicko and a total dick.

#136 kelly

Timken also makes the bearings that make your wheels go around. What? You think we ought to screw over one of the most important manufacturers of auto, truck and military parts? You are a total moron and short sighted at that. This country can't work without companies like Timken, Halliburton and others. If you can't handle that concept, I suggest you move to China. Oh, wait, thay know the importance of multinational corporations there too. Hey, how about Mars or Venus? There are no big corporations there to bother your liberal sensitivities.

OT - Timkin is one of the worlds largest makers of precision bearings. It is said that they have a new product coming out that will revolutionize the internet. The new Timkin Troller Roller automatically homes in on left winged shitbirds and saves the time otherwise spent crushing them. The Troller Roller will be manufactured in Ohio while the production of obsolete pot metal plain bearings will be shifted to china where they are still producing coal fired steam locomotives.

Hello bruddah.
Hello faddah
We'll all die in intifada
Our careers are a bit waning
But its worth it just to keeps the Jews complaining

We kissed off peace at Camp David
Pride and statehood, we can't save it
But we'll have joy in the hereafter
That we gave Mohammed more perverted laughter

...don't know if this has been posited already, but I think it's a good idea - I'd like to learn Arabic; I'd like my kids to know it, all the better to know what these Islamists are sputtering on Al-Jazeera et al, and posting on their vile sites.....I'd like to think that they'd be less able to fester in the West if we knew (without being so reliant, as I am, on the valuable efforts of LGF, MEMRI, etc) what they're yammering....

when is JOhn Kerry going to start his lessons in arabic... lol.. never let it be said that kerry isn't on the cutting edge.....

see ya
cathy : )

191 PostalWorker

Dude, what did the Azores ever do to deserve Soros?

And you can't just dump him in the ocean. Al Gore will fine you for polluting.

#97,

Good points about China. Perhaps economic growth will inevitably force political liberalization. With the spread of English there, could it be that China will play the same role in the West as the, um, Arabs played with Roman and Greek civilization, keeping the spark alive during Dark Ages?

A century from now, will China be the home of the world's greatest classical musicians and Shakespeare scholars? Somehow I think Islamism won't make much of an impression on the masses there.

The French are being proper dhimmis now.

The pathetic desire that french childeren should learn arabic rather than english will not save the sovreignity or future of France from the bloodbath that is to come at the hands of islamo-fascists now gathering strength within their borders.

Just as well have had french kids learning GERMAN in 1935 so they could verbaly lick the boots of their Aryan Masters from 40-44 until REAL MEN showed up (U.S. and Great Britain) and set things right.
Stupid frogs will sell out their own kids to avoid an UNAVOIDABLE fight.

The chauvinist French and their silly language nationalism...they are probably the only country left that doesn't make English mandatory to its children and teenagers.

Yup, one of the most basic tools for a citizen of the World is neglected only because it is related to the Anglos they despise so much. That's "reason" in French terms.

While the Euros are working toward the metamorphosis of Europe into Eurabia, they might think of having a unifying language: Arabic of course.

The French would not allow English, the most spoken language in the world, and there are too many variations of language in Europe for any to be more acceptable than any other.

But they have their hearts set on becoming part of the Islamic world, and the Arabs are at the top of the heap in the Muslim world. So the Euros can more or less become Arabs, the first step being to promote the Arabic language throughout Europe.

As they move into dhimmitude, they might also want to think about the construction of more mosques in Europe that are higher than the cathedrals. That may well impress their overlords-to-be.

The French are always fashion conscious. They might want to start a fashion wing for a new mode of dress: the burka, from the top of the head to the bottom of the foot. They could experiment with different sorts of slits for the eyes to peep out. There's a whole new industry waiting for French fashion in burkas.

And the old revolutionary slogan liberte, egalite, fraternite needs to be brought into the 21st century. How about: sharia, egalite, fraternite.

It's coming, it's coming.

I think I know who DP111 is.

#189 Rufus Lee King

Did someone mention Volare?

#197 Stormi

I would suggest dumping Soros in the lava of Mauna Loa, but the god of the volcano might get pissed off.

Launch him into solar orbit???

Chinese is no Arabic or Spanish. There are forces other than sheer numbers of speakers to give the Chinese language an edge; the Chinese civilization has always been immensely literary (the printing press is a Chinese innovation afterall). Chinese will probably re-achieve universal language status in East Asia in the next 100 years. If anything simply by the cultural dominance of the Chinese characters combined with continuing economic growth and opportunities for its neighboring countries. The revitalization of Chinese in East Asia will be the equivalent of a hypothetical revitalizing Latin (a role that English has taken in Europe).

In the year 1999 alone, books published in China reached an equivalent of 39.14 billion printed sheets, up 23.5 percent from 1995, with book sales amounting to 7.33 billion volumes, up 9.7 percent. And growing at an average rate of 8 percent since.

Periodicals published that year was equal to 9.68 billion printed sheets, growing by 44.4 percent from 1995, according to an official with the State Development Planning Commission. And growing by 80.2 percent from 2000 to 2004.

Meanwhile, audio-visual products and e-publications are developing rapidly and becoming a major player in the industry.

Up to the end of 1999, China had 527 publishing houses and some 130 disc production lines.

Seems to me that we are the among the few Countries that is willing to stand up for what it think it's right. The Euro-Tarsh and the LLL just want to feel good and enjoy the moment.

It's unfortunate to day that the 'law', today is based on more on vested interest than "moral responibility".

Apparently , The Guardian has backed off. I only hope that Kerry Campaign have the good sense to back off from their Lawyer-Blitzkreig.

.. Why the association of learning the Arabic language, with Islamic terrorism?

Arabic is a beautiful and complex language at that - it was there long before Islam.

I find the association being used by the lot here... disturbing, and negative.

#208 An_Arab

Ahhh yes, and in the Arab world things aren't disturbing and always positive. I find beheadings to be rather calming don't you?

Umm,

I see you have made the assumption that by me protesting your associations, implies I do not protest (ie condone) beheadings, etc.

Matter of fact, I condemn terrorism, and beheadings, and get into plenty of arguments with others over why the war is justified.

So now I have yet another question:

Number one: (the original): Why do you associate learning the Arabic language with becoming an Islamic terrorist?

Number 2: Why did you assume I condone beheadings/terrorism etc, when all I asked was question (1) above. Perhaps because... I am an Arab?...

Un message pour la France:
comme on fait son lit, on se couche.

Translation: You've made your bed, now lie in it.

.. Why the association of learning the Arabic language, with Islamic terrorism?

Well, I wish it were not so. Just as I wish the German language were not forever associated with nazism, the latter never having existed.

Wishing for something doesn't make it so, unfortunately. Arabic is the language of the koran, and there's no getting away from that and all that follows.

204 NY Nana

I may be forced to improvise a new kind of lawsuit for the causing of undesired music to repeat through one's head, incessantly. A cerebro-toxic tort.

Theoretically our newly registered poster could be an Arab Christian.

Why do you associate learning the Arabic language with becoming an Islamic terrorist?

Not necessarily. There are posts on that thread which actually advocate learning Arabic so that we understand our enemy -- Islam -- better.

However. Given the context of the original pronouncement being dicussed in this thread, compulsory learning of Arabic by the French can indicate one thing only -- preemptive surrender to Islam. Surely, as one who "get into plenty of arguments with others over why the war is justified", you cannot view that as a good thing.

Arabic is the language of the koran, and there's no getting away from that and all that follows.

Thats true. But the question is, why the association of learning the Arab language, with wanting to become an Islamic terrorist?

Does learning German mean you want to become a Nazi? I know terrorism/arab/muslim/islam are associated together, but since when does associating learning a language for what it is - a language, beautiful and complex in its own respect, become an indirect condoning of terrorism?

Ed Moran:

Theoretically our newly registered poster could be an Arab Christian.

He's being polite and sounds reasonable. I'm in favor of giving him the benefit of the doubt and trying to bring him over to our side before we drive him away.

19 Bob G. 10/22/2004 09:49AM PST

Something about this smells vichy to me.

ClassicClassic

And eet ees zoh Fwensh, to commit ze suicide only to spite les anglophoes, no?

208 an arab

Arabic is a beautiful and complex language at that - it was there long before Islam.

So right. There are so many other associations throughout the world's culture with Arabic besides Islam and its holy terrorism. There is, of course, oil. Then there is oil. And one would be remiss not to mention oil.

No wonder the French are willing to sell a place in their children's heads to Arabic.

211 An Arab

Its like this..
Until the peace-loving Muslims that we keep hearing about take action to puke out the terrorists that hide amongst you, then the rest of us have no choice but to assume you are on their side and support their violent acts. Prove me wrong please.

And who cares if the frenchies don't learn English? They'll just be excluding themselves from future job opportunities. Like it or not, English is the world's business language.

There are posts on that thread which actually advocate learning Arabic so that we understand our enemy -- Islam -- better

To be clear:

My old mother is a Muslim. (She belives in Islam). Do you consider her an enemy to you?

Given the context of the original pronouncement being dicussed in this thread, compulsory learning of Arabic by the French can indicate one thing only -- preemptive surrender to Islam

I am no fan of anything being compulsory - forced down ones throat - regardless of what it is. Curious however: Would you consider a school who decides to offer teaching the Arabic language to students a surrender to Islamic terrorists?

Tank heaven, for leetle frogs, they grow in such expected ways...

In fact, the gross numbers of Arabic speakers will continue to climb -- until the oil runs out and the world will no longer float the Arabic food bill.

Then, mass starvation and population collapse.

But the question is, why the association of learning the Arab language, with wanting to become an Islamic terrorist?

Context, dude, context. Please see my #217.

but since when does associating learning a language for what it is - a language, beautiful and complex in its own respect, become an indirect condoning of terrorism?

I will re-post something I've said before: some (a lot) of the Islamic architecture (e.g. that of Central Asia), art (Persian miniatures) and calligraphy can be astonishingly beautiful. Nevertheless, Islam itself must be ruthlessly contained and/or destroyed.

Until the peace-loving Muslims that we keep hearing about take action to puke out the terrorists that hide amongst you, then the rest of us have no choice but to assume you are on their side and support their violent acts

*perplexed*.... umm...Unfortunately, my neighbours are quite peaceful, and I do not know of any terrorists in my midst. Thus according to you, you are going to assume I am on their side and that I support their violent acts, simply because I am an Arab? ...?

227 Q

a lot of the Islamic architecture (e.g. that of Central Asia), art (Persian miniatures) and calligraphy can be astonishingly beautiful.

All the more a crime that the whole of Arabia let itself become coopted by such a vile, dead-end mode of thought as Islam.

My old mother is a Muslim. (She belives in Islam). Do you consider her an enemy to you?

I will respond with two quotes with which I agree wholeblackheartedly:

Hugh Fitzgerald:

I am perfecty aware that there are nice Muslims, that there are those who simply ignore the main tenets of Islam. But as a group, the Muslims are a threat to me and those I love. Even the innocent ones, merely by being here, swell Muslim political power.

Ibn Warraq:

There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate.

Make of it what you will.

They're getting ready to collaborate with their next anti-Semitic conquerer.

And guess who they'll plea with to bail them out again?

Well this time it should be easier -- Arabs aren't Germans, after all -- and this time we keep Burgundy, the Loire, and Provence as a fee. All the really good places.

The food might not be as good in the hotels, but the service will be a lot better.

"Naturally I am biased in favour of boys learning English; and then I would let the clever learn Latin as an honour and Greek as a treat. But the only thing I would whip them for is not knowing English. I would whip them hard for that." --Winston Churchill

Even the innocent ones, merely by being here, swell Muslim political power.

So my old mother is a threat to you and your loved ones, simply by existing?...

The question remains. Do you or do you not consider her some form of threat to yourself?

By the way, I agree with the quote by Ibn Waraq.

#231 Mardukhai

Nope. Sorry. Not this time. "No Blood for Escargot!"

211

Nothing about Arabs, per se, genetically.

But most Arabs are adherants to some version of Islam or another. Islam, as a religion/political ideology is big on things like beheadings, making war on the infidels until the either die, convert, or accept humiliation as dhimmi and pay a special tax. Islam views woman as being less than a man, such that (IIRC) it takes 3 women to counter the testimony of one man in a Sharia court.

The whole thing about Arabic as a language also has to be understood in the context that we are talking about the cheese eating surrender monkeys French.

BTW, one of the more widely respected regulars at this blog is an Arab.

It is not accurate nor is it right to assume all Arabs are Muslim. Nor are all Muslims Arabs, nor are all Muslims wide-eyed jihadi killers.

Greetings to An_Arab, for my part I say welcome.

I think it is a mistake to judge anyone by ethnicity.

225 An Arab

My old mother is a Muslim. (She belives in Islam). Do you consider her an enemy to you?

As a matter of fact, I do. It says she is in the Koran she worships, doesn't it?

227 Q

Actually, calligraphy and art is of Arabic nature, which an old professor of anthroplogy told me PREDATES islam. So the things of beauty from islamic cultures are not actually islamic at all, just cultues that have been hijacked...

speaking on topic...

we saved the Fwench from having to speak German. Piss on 'em. I hope they enjoy learning Farci/Arabic because we won't be there for their P#ssy arses this time!!

Traitors!

So my old mother is a threat to you and your loved ones, simply by existing?...

You're trying to counter a logical point with an emotional one. That won't do.

Not simply by existing. By virtue of being used by those with money, power and an agenda.

If your mother holds dear in her heart the teachings of a robber, torturer, rapist, warlord, thief and oath-breaker, that would strike me as dangerous. True, not everyone who is motivated by Mein Kampf has actually harmed another person, but the spreading of and belief in hateful, genocidal ideologies is always dangerous in my book.

Fortunately it sounds like you never joined the faith, since the penalty for leaving it is the kind of thing that might just break even your mother's heart.

An Arab

"My old mother is a Muslim. (She belives in Islam). Do you consider her an enemy to you?"

As a matter of fact, I do.

... do the rest of you share in this belief of Rufus Lee King? ...

My old mother is a Muslim. (She belives in Islam).

Does she believe in jihad? In dhimmitude? In gender apartheid? In "slaughter the infidels wherever you find them"? In "kill the Jews until the end of the world"? In death for "blasphemy"? In death for apostasy? In stoning for extramarital sex? In limb amputation for petty theft?

Does anyone know how to say dense wave division multiplexing in arabic?

Does she believe in jihad? In dhimmitude? In gender apartheid? In "slaughter the infidels wherever you find them"? In "kill the Jews until the end of the world"? In death for "blasphemy"? In death for apostasy? In stoning for extramarital sex? In limb amputation for petty theft?

Do you, for that matter?

#214 Rufus Lee King

I was just trying to be helpful! Sheees, just because I have been trying to get even find a way to express my gratitude to a friend's son, who first sent me this, I can't understand why you want to 'improvise a new kind of lawsuit for the causing of undesired music to repeat through one's head, incessantly. A cerebro-toxic tort'....

Catchy little tune, eh? I find it useful when I want to keep from sharing the computer, too!

Would it make you feel any better if I told you that it also has been replaying in my head, also? :)

Uh, re that lawsuit? Could we wait till one of my sons finishes law School? Of course, there is a matter of passing the NY Bar exam...please get back to me on that one. He goes at night, BTW.

And it damned well had better not be in arabic!

Arab

I'm all about live and let live.

When and if it becomes clear the Arab world has no interest in sending young men (and perhaps women) to hijack our planes, bomb our cities, fund masjids to recruit and indoctrinate non-Muslim Americans in the ways of jihad and taqqiya, and when the Muslim world accepts the presence of a very small democracy in its midst, even if said state has a majority Jewish population, well, I'll be all about thinking happy thoughts about Arabs.

I already think happy thoughts about some apostate Muslim and Christian Arabs.

Shakira and Salma Hayek are both bootylicious, and both half Arab.

243 An Arab

You ignored my question. Does it not command in the Koran your mother worships that she is to fight disbelievers wherever she finds them, and cut off their head, fingers and toes?

Greetings to you too VtSurgeon! :)

You're trying to counter a logical point with an emotional one. That won't do.

Not so. At the end of the day, you are talking about people. People always happen to be someone's dad, mom, brother or sister... This particular Muslim happens to be my mother. Also she is not being used "By virtue of being used by those with money, power and an agenda. ". She goes to work. Comes home. Buys groceries, cooks us food, prays, reads, knits, and welcomes my friends.

... do you consider her a threat to you, due to her being a muslim?

since the penalty for leaving it is the kind of thing that might just break even your mother's heart

To be quite honest, she is pious, but knows I am old enough (23) to make my own deicisions. She supports me.

228

I'm sure you are a fine upstanding citizen. You must be or Charles wouldn't let you in.

And of course not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Muslims are terrorists. However, the hatred that steers many young Arabs toward violence and terrorism wasn't in their brains at birth. It was force-fed into them through their culture, religion, and Government.

Now the monster has escaped from the lab, and Dr. Frankenstein seems to be just standing around shrugging his shoulders.

... do you consider her a threat to you, due to her being a muslim?

If the answer to all or any of the questions in #244 is affirmative, then so is mine.

an_arab,

While I don't hate Arabs, I am aghast at the tolerance in the Arab world for acts of barbarism that turn the stomach of any normal human being.

You can't deny that most of the Arab world even support these acts of terror. It is preached in the mosques all over the world.

I can't speak for my fellow lizards, but I am sick of the pissing and moaning in the middle east by Muslims that are the basic *cause* of their own suffering. This cause is called Sharia law and Islam.

I don't hate Arabs, but I don't care for the Muslim death centered culture. How many verses in the Koran demand my death as an infidel? I take that kinda personally and when I feel threatened I can be a dangerous man.

So, you see it isn't about the language, not about the ethnicity, but rather the misguided and false religion called Islam.

#252 ploome hineni

I hope you wash them Ploome

An Arab

I know there are people of many religions who are technically members of the religion but are not personally committed to its teachings.

The trouble with Islam, like no others, is that it enforces its prohibitions against apostacy with death and very harshly punishes lesser transgressions against it, as well.

That makes anyone in its web very vulnerable to acquiesing to the religion's many, many documented homocidal activities and preparations. Failure to go along with the crowd begets a penalty too harsh to pay.

Like being in the Mafia. You are not apt to find too many living dissenters who don't support the enterprises commanded by the organization.

This makes all Muslims dangerous to the civilized world, in my book. And even if they require rescue from their religion, they should be regarded as a danger until they are confirmed to not be loyal or hostage to it any longer.

Does she believe in jihad?

The personal one where you must struggle to better oneself? Of course. A personal one of defending oneself against injustice? Sure. (I think thats universal). Killing others for the sake of them being different religion? No. We have the Jeffersons over for coffee every weekend afternoon.

In dhimmitude?

Nope. (See above).

In gender apartheid?

No, she demands her full rights as a female.

In "slaughter the infidels wherever you find them"?

We take our non-muslim neighbours' kids to the pool everynow and then along with my little cousins. We all "have a splash". Icecream usually follows. However, she refuses to wear a one-piece swimsuit.

"kill the Jews until the end of the world"?

Above kids are Jewish.

In death for "blasphemy"?

"Its a God given right to move your tongue." she will tell you.

In death for apostasy?

She wont kill you, but she will definately sit you down and ask you to reconsider. Although one could say she will kill you with her incesant nagging. :)

In stoning for extramarital sex?

No... but have you ever come across a female who didnt want to cut your balls off once she found out you were cheating on her?

In limb amputation for petty theft?

She spanked me for stealing candy as a kid. She supports amputations only when the "the tissue is overly infected and the body is at risk of further infection." I think most doctors support this too.

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I hope I have clarified this for you.

#258:

So, she ignores most of the core teachings of her professed religion.

I understand that remaining (nominally) a Muslim must have some personal/sentimental reasons for her. However, by continuing to define herself as such, she (independent of her own wishes) gives ammunition to those who do beleive in all of those things.

258 An Arab

Then, if your mother's beliefs and proclivities to support the violent jihad the Koran commands are all you represent, she may be no threat to me and my country.

But you have to admit she defies her own Koranic commnds with some of the beliefs you say she has. She risks apostacy by saying she doesn't have to answer to it, does she not?

And being that we are in a declared jihad against us with extremely deadly and widely hidden forces, it is regrettable that casual reassurances like yours would not be very wise to heed to the greater risk of our society. So this is why I believe our wartime government should monitor, detain and/or interrogate all known Muslims to ascertain whether the threat promised by the Koran from them is real.

If illegal immigration continues, uh, Spanish might have an equal standing with English in the US especially in the border states. Understand, vast ethnicities and races have managed to assimilate into an English-based environment (the language of the Constitution), then why should one ethnicity's (Hispanics) language dominant so strongly?

What do people think about this?

#259 ploome hineni

I like a lady in tight pajamas. Stop torturing me girl!

Speaking of Arabic
[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

There's a serious problem today with the Arab youth, in expressing themselves in Arabic."

Question :"Why?"

Salman Masalha: "Because of the language, that great rift between colloquial and literary Arabic. In order to explain a complex idea, you need high language, not the language of the souq. You can't express a complicated idea using the language of the souq. If you take young people, let's say eighth-grade Arab [children], and their French, or Jewish Israeli, counterparts, you will discover the discrepancy in self-expression. Because he does not know the language of thought, the Arab pupil runs into a big problem. Thus it is in the entire Arab world.

"The Arab world does not read. According to various reports, the Arab world is largely illiterate. Illiteracy in the Arab world is not 50% like it says in the reports. I say that it is over 80%. Practically speaking, even those defined as not illiterate because they completed eight years of schooling, I consider illiterate. In this century, anyone who finishes elementary school can't really read.

"A book selling 5,000 copies across the Arab world is a rare achievement. The average book published in Israel sells more copies than a successful book in the entire Arab world. This also has to do with the economic situation. Reading books is a privilege for people who have spare time and money. The poverty that sweeps the Arab world leaves the individual struggling for survival his whole life. How is he supposed to read a book? He must bring food for his children, his family." ...

What can I say... Very useful!

#258 An_Arab: Ah, I thought we'd get to the point that your mother who "believes in Islam" really doesn't. That's unfair of you in this context, though most likely entirely unintentional.

In these threads, when people talk about Islam, they're talking about the faith, and Muslims are those who believe in that faith. To present your mother as such is at best incorrect when she clearly does not believe in it (or holds it in such little regard that following its teachings means so little to her).

If she has a Muslim heritage that's a different thing than being a Muslim. If Muhammed was not a prophet of some god, just one of many philosophers with some good ideas to pick and choose from, that's not being a Muslim. It clearly sounds as if she thinks of many of his pronouncements as lunacy. I agree. That doesn't make me a Muslim either.

However, if for some reason she decides to go on the Haj, please make sure she knows to keep her doubts about Muhammed's holiness and the Koran's infallability to herself. She could otherwise very likely find herself in mortal danger.

#266 Pitiricus

Exactly why putting Chinese along with Arabic is quite ignorant. See post #206 for data on the Chinese publication industry.

An_Arab

Have you ever seen these videos?

If not, then perhaps you might understand why I feel the way I do, as it afffects nearly all of us, Christian and Jew....

This is the image that the cult of islam presents, and also encourages in their children....

We cannot forget the celebrations on 9/11, the sweetmeats, the ululating, the rifles being shot into the air..... it seems to be a requisite...

When Charles posts the swarms, take a look at the faces....there is one picture of an arab woman, with a look of joy on her face ,as she ululates over the deaths of human beings..what culture on earth can revere homicide bombers????? The pride on their parents' faces is sick, and frightening.

Here are even more videos....

What is happening all over the world? Israel is the canary in the coal mine, while the US was the massacred eagle...and Spain? An election won by terrorists.......

As the elections here approach in 11 days, what are we to expect?

Italy's Berlusconi Says Hopes Bush Wins U.S. Election

"We hope and believe that the next president will again be Bush," Berlusconi told reporters during campaigning for Italian local elections on the island of Ischia, in southern Italy.

Despite rooting for Bush, Berlusconi added that whoever wins the election "we are loyal allies of the United States and we will continue in our policy of friendship."

This has got to be one of the best threads ever.
183 & 200 ... those posts were hysterical.

Sorry, An Arab... your piety doesn't wash here. You guys are always so fast to claim discrimination and unfairness and humiliation. You chose to live in a culture that is different than yours in some very basic ways. While what you and your mama personally profess might be in line with this society, the overwhelming number of your co-religionists are despised here, not without good reason.

So unless and until you do something to fix your own religion from within there is going to be no peace between us. You want to live here and enjoy what a democratic society provides? Then quit bitching about our "injustices" and give us some reasons to forgive you for your religions' barbaric teachings and actions. You know the viriluent crap that spews out of the mosques and the radios and TV stations in the Arab world. Why not complain to them for breaking your rice bowl?

Re: #67

Kato (Kah-tow) is a common family name. Maybe the men are all Toyota Lexus Division employees.

Japanese loves English. It devours new English words and Japonizes them with gusto. No sooner did "Harry Potter" pop up in the English speaking media than did "Harii Pottaa" become a new addition to everyday spoken and written Japanese (using katakana--one of the two phonetic alphabets in modern Japanese and the one that is that is used for borrowed words).

Correct me if I am wrong, but I understand that the Chinese, lacking a phonetic alphabet, require an official committee meeting to select the kanji to make new words.

Do the French convert new English words straight into French-sounding ones (le Big Mac?) or do they reformulate entirely new French words?

Do the French convert new English words straight into French-sounding ones (le Big Mac?) or do they reformulate entirely new French words?

This brings up a major sore point - why the heck is Arabic transliterated into Roman alphabet "French-style", instead of a purely phonetic style - e.g., spelling the "long u" sound "ou"?

I've just finished watching "Stolen Honor" on line. It's devastating. It answers the question of why the Kerry campaign is trying so hard, both legally and illegally, to keep it from being shown. This can amount to being the "October Surprise".
You can now watch it for free on line at;
[Link: johnkerrythen......]
Once you've seen it, be sure to pass the link on to all of those in your address book.

Charles should make this a separate topic.

Sorry, the link to watch "Stolen Honor" for free on line, is
[Link: johnkerrythenewsoldier.blogspot.com...]

The remarks about the changing importance of languages in the world is partly true. The point is , as often, the context and the objective of such a statement.

A lot of chinese can use english, both spoken and written - with various levels of proficiency. Recently I read (on Xinhuanet) that in the Shangai municipality, english teaching will become compulsory (from middle school onwards, I think).

And also, Arabic is an important language nowadays, like it or not (and note that I use important without any judgement attached).

The scope of this n-th French inanity is to downplay the role of english, and thus of the USA, the main english-speaking country. But don't think that all of Europe is like France.

Hmm, can anyone say, "I for one welcome our new Arabic-speaking overlords" in French?

Their disdain of English probably stems as much from the French's centuries of warfare with England as it does with its current animosity to America. To the French, who pride themselves in their language as much as anything, teaching their children English would seem like the ultimate defeat. However, I think they should have chosen Chinese- commies are much closer to the heart of socialists than fascist muslims.

I hope the art gets saved.

Grrrrr...

Just wait until the [bigoted word]s take control of France and start destroying the wineries and vineyards. THEN they'll come crying to us to help their sorry asses.

Stupid cheese-eating surrender monkies!

But you have to admit she defies her own Koranic commnds with some of the beliefs you say she has. She risks apostacy by saying she doesn't have to answer to it, does she not?

No Rufus. It is her interpretation of it. It is shared by alot of Muslims I have come across... not all, but by alot.

So this is why I believe our wartime government should monitor, detain and/or interrogate all known Muslims

Well, apparently you do not consider her a true Muslim to begin with, ... so then why would she have to be forcefully interogated without probable cause? (I find that unconstitutional and very un-American by the way, but thats a different subject).

To post #264:

I am certain there are plenty of verses in the Torah and Bible which if practiced today, would be barbaric. (As with the Qur'an). But even though modern Jews and Christians do not execute them, would you tell them they arent "true" Jews of "true" Christians? I do not think so. I think religion is practiced in degrees, it is not a binary issue. By the same token, I do not think you can say that a person (my mother in this case) must surely agree with every hadith out there simply because she is a Muslim. Islam has 5 main pillars, (Prayer, Faith, Charity, Pilgrimage and the Fasting during Ramadan). If you do them, you are Muslim. Kinda like citizenship. You dont have to agree with every last piece of legistlation, judicial ruling, and ammendment for you to be an American. Just a simple oath to protect the constitution, know some history, and be of good moral character. So you cant really use that argument...

Model 4,

If Muhammed was not a prophet of some god, just one of many philosophers with some good ideas to pick and choose from, that's not being a Muslim. It clearly sounds as if she thinks of many of his pronouncements as lunacy. I agree. That doesn't make me a Muslim either.

(See above).

NY nana,

This is the image that the cult of islam presents, and also encourages in their children....

As I have said before, I do not support anything compulsory, I believe in freedom, and when Islamic nuts want to shove it down my throat, or anyone else's I stand against it. The video shows those sick people who obviously do. Does it show people who dont? No. Why? Because they absolutely dont exist? Or because they dont make good news? I am sure it is the latter.

Miggie,

You know the viriluent crap that spews out of the mosques and the radios and TV stations in the Arab world. Why not complain to them for breaking your rice bowl?

... I do, and it has cost me alot of friends. I wish you would stop assuming I am against you because I am an Arab, with a Muslim background, and Muslim family.

Then quit bitching about our "injustices" and give us some reasons to forgive you for your religions' barbaric teachings and actions.

...(?) Forgive me? Have I done something to you I do not know about? You seem to have accused me of something I have done to you - and I do not know what it is. Please let me know.

Oh, and I am actually an athiest.

#279 kufir

Chinese as a language was around long before Marx was born. And chinese tend to like the benefits of capitalism.

This equation chinese=communists is another annoying myth.