Arabs hate us? Shock and awe. I must vote for Kerry now, to appease them into liking us.

Oh, wait, I'd rather live as an American than a dhimmi.

Seeing where that comes from, I am even prouder to be an American Jew! We must be doing something right!

#1

Yeah. Who woulda?

All LFGers if you haven't read this it is a must read.

It was posted by a soldier in Iraq it gives true insight into what it is like being in a war zone. This post really messed me up.

Combat Lifesaver

"And I’ve never known hatred my entire life.”

Oh, spare me.
4 more years!

The follow up report to this: WHY do they hate us.

Followed in turn by the report: How to make them stop hating us by giving in to their very last demand like a good dhimmi.

Shake the ground under the feet of the kufr ... blah blah blah blah blah...

All those who are about to call me Brickass and troll, please save yourselves the trouble: the first is moronic and the latter is false.

What I want to say is that the big mistake this Administration made was going into Iraq as they did. By doing so, and especially in light of the poor post-war planning (and some fairly poor decisions such as disbanding of the Iraqi army), all they have achieved is a massive drain on our military and economic resources at the least opportune time for such difficulties, and to coalesce these multitudes of Muslims who hate us.

Many of them already did, as we know from the disgisting reactions after 9/11 that the US bought it on itself, that the Mossad was behind it, etc. But the enmity and hatred was nowhere near what it appears to be now.

And lest you forget, this was Bin Laden's strategy all along - he has now not only helped to create a deep rupture between the US and Muslims, but has been helped by Bush into making that rupture grow in the context of a war.

MUSLIM KILL
JEWS,
AMERICAN
CHRISTIAN
CHINESSE
RUSSIAN
AFRICAN NON MUSLIM
PHILLIINIEAN
ETC, ETC

disgisting = disgusting

“Unfortunately, they’re united in one thing: hatred toward America. Even an old man like me, it has hit me. And I’ve never known hatred my entire life.”

Yeah, right!

#8

Dirka dirka jiahd dirka dirka Mohammad dirka dirka Allah!

Islam has two measures of goodness:

"Despite the weakness and disunity in the Muslim world, every time I watch television and see the call to prayer for fast-breaking from a Muslim city, I get proud of Muslims' strength, and their unity at this great moment."

That leaves out introspection, reason, consideration for other faiths, or humility. He's the 'moderate' at the end of the article.

"What is happening now in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan (news - web sites) and Sudan is a war against Islam, a crusade, an old war in new clothing," Youssef Abu Sneineh said in his sermon to at least 150,000 people at Jerusalem's Al-Aqsa mosque.

The SUDAN?! Uh, excuse me, but isn't that where Arab Muslims are killing Black Muslims? And before the Arab Muslims were killing Black non-muslims.

I'm so sick of hearing about the so-called "injustice" in "Palestine" when Islam should be looking at its own problems.

But the sign at the local convenience store clearly says "Welcome".

Brickas, they did hate us as much before hand, they just didn't display it as much. That hatred has always been there, only we didn't know it.

And the fact of the matter is that no matter what we did things would have gotten worse. The Wahhabis are slowly but surely taking over every Sunni muslim organization. We have to deal with them, and the only way to do so is to take care of Iraq first.

#19 Rayra

Yeah, with one of those sharia states being France :-)

Brickass,

those camel fuckers have hated us forever, screw them. at least we are killing them over there instead of in the USA

Brickas

You had better go back and check your premise

America, or even GW, did not "rupture" anything between the US and moslems. Those moslems that come to these shores and embrace the tenets of this country can keep their religion and our respect. Those that do not, those that come to these shores as long term agents to subvert the US to an Islamic country, just as those outside of this country that hold to the same strategy (and who are quite open about it) have never been America's "friend or ally."

The ideology of Islamism is anathema to all the Judeo-Christian values this country was founded upon. They are a totalitarian death-cult not unlike Hitler's Nazism.

This may be why the Left is so enamored of the jihadists and their follow travelers...from Hamas to Al Qaeda to Fatah to PLO, et al. The Left is not about liberty and for them, just as for jihadists, disagreement with their dogma is justification for death.

The Left sees in Kerry a willing modern Neville Chamberlain, which will allow for those that oppose the USA time to regroup, rearm and march unopposed across the face of a cowed EU.

Whether you are a troll or not, I cannot say at this point. But you are, at best, dangerously naive and ignorant of history.

Educate yourself.

Of course, the whole Osama bin Laden hang up of kerry's reveals something. True enough, Osama bin Laden was/is the head of al Qaeda, and bears great responsibility for 9-11.

If/when he is killed, however, the disease of islamofacism will live on and will generate new leaders.

I believe kerry truly does view bin Laden as essentially a criminal problem. Arrest/kill him, crime is solved, justice is done (as well as one can do justice for thousands of murders) and its over and done with.

That others would continue the struggle, that nations like Iran and Syria (and Iraq if Saddam were in power) would seek to assist him doesn't really occur to him.

Geeegaaahaaahaadddudhhhduuh! ptftoooey, fffttththtth, DAAAHUUUHHH!

I was just as surprised this morning when the sun came up. Jesus be upon him.

#9 Brickas plagiarized John Kerry thusly:

What I want to say is that the big mistake this Administration made was going into Iraq as they did.

And, like John Kerry, you have absolutely idea how it could or should have been done better. Thanks for playing. Don Pardo has a nice consolation prize waiting for you offstage.

There is no growing rupture between the US and the Muslim world. They always hated us, and always will. It seems like people are forgetting who started it all. To refresh someone's memory: tTHEY started it when they decided to fly in two planes into the World Trade Center, and then crash two other ones: into Pentagon and in Pennsylvania. To consider something a rupture, it has to be connected first. These monsters NEVER had any regard for ANYONE's lives.

#9 Brickas

But the enmity and hatred was nowhere near what it appears to be now.

You must have a Muslim hate meter with a much greater dynamic range than mine. My Muslim hate meter has been maxed out for the last three years.

“Muslims are getting united now,”

They misspelled "untied." And that ain't news to anyone.

And I’ve never known hatred my entire life.

But he's thinking: "Except for wanting to kill Jews and equate them to the offspring of monkees and pigs, I have never hated anything."

And, oh such an awe inspiring and romantic picture painted with words by the reporter

"as the sun rose over mosque after mosque..."

But what he forgot to mention that as the sun rose over the mosque, [bigoted word]s were planning schemes to kill more infidels. What a delusional POS article.

#9 Brickas

And lest you forget, this was Bin Laden's strategy all along

Bin Laden's strategy is just another uprising in Islam based on the Koran. The Koran is basically Relgious War for Dummies. All Bin Laden needed to do was call out to a receptive Wahhabi-educated population within Islam. That radical population is huge thanks to Saudi money, Iranian mullahs, and others. Bin Laden's strategy was bound to work on a large scale.

If, say, Bill Clinton had reacted forcefully after the first WTC bombing, the 1996 fatwa, 1996 barracks bombing, 1998 embassy bombings, or the 1998 fatwa, perhaps we could have kept some of the mujahadeen from running all around the world and training new jihadis with their knowledge gained in Afghanistan and the Sudan. But Clinton did nothing. In a nutshell, we have many jihadis to kill. Whimpering as you do is just wishing for a false sense of security which you indulged in during the mid-1990's.

I'd show you a letter to the editor I wrote back then suggesting the "new global economy" wasn't going to reform the old religious or ethnic violence out of humanity. Well, it didn't. No special powers were necessary, just history books.

OT... Jaysus on a Pony... I should be careful when rooting around in the Guardian, especially after the "We need GW assassinated" schtick...

Wonder how this Shakespeare was really Muslim is going to go down with the Sunday morning readers over kippers and a cup o'tea.

Islam week at the Globe Theatre will link Shakespeare with a mystic Muslim sect

#13 Song and Dance Man

Lehman said the Baluchistan Region of the country is filled with militant fundamentalists who do not recognize the legitimacy of President Pervez Musharraf, a close ally of the United States.

Sounds like a good place for a really big bomb!

OT--The French think the way to stop anti-semitism is to target Catholics.

Guess they're afraid they'll offend all the future Arabic teachers they'll need if they say the truth.

Ah, yes, good old Neville Chamberlain. Peace in our time and all that good stuff. If the Moslems were threatening him, he would give in without a second thought. After all, better to be a live dog than a dead lion, right? Perhaps that is what John Kerry is thinking too. You know, for a man with Jewish roots, he doesn't seem to be threatened by those who would kill him for being part Jewish.
Myself, I would rather be compared with Winston Churchill. They called him a warmonger and a Jeremiah for the time (I think the Jeremiah thing was supposed to be an insult, but Jeremiah was right about his prophecies - people really need to read the Bible more). They asked Churchill why they couldn't just negotiate with the Axis, why they couldn't just live with those who hated them. Sound familiar? Sound like certain people in the media? Churchill remind you of someone else?

On Topic- I would rather be hated by the Arabs than loved. Why? Because I would not want to be associated with baby killers, rapists, warmongers, and all around horrible people.

OT:

I'm about to watch Jon Stewart's Brutal Exchange with CNN Host

What -- no hat tip? {{...pout...}} I posted this same article 7 hours ago. I guess it was on a moribund thread.

#35 cordy
I saw that poster yesterday. I blinked. I rubbed my eyes. But it was still there. How did that happen? Just when you think France could not be more idiotic or dangerous they limbo even lower.

Other than offending Jews and Christians, I don't get the point. Given the way France has dhimmified (not counting banning hijab in school - also idiotic) I guess I should not be surprised.

sorry if this has been writ but THEY need to start worryING why we are learning to hate them!

#39 Beagle

I saw it yesterday too, and then I got the impression it was the government that was involved in it. But this article says it is a Jewish group (with other Jewish groups are protesting the decision).

At first (yesterday) I tried to think "well, maybe they mean to include Muslims indirectly as Muslims think of Jesus as a holy figure". But I don't think they are trying to include Muslims. Some people just won't face reality.

#9 Brickas

he has now not only helped to create a deep rupture between the US and Muslims, but has been helped by Bush into making that rupture grow in the context of a war.

Memo to Brickas - There was already a rupture between us and the Muslims. It's called "we're not Muslim".

They hate any country that won't submit.
Hello AP, They are followers of Muhammed, this is a natural state of being for them.

The one great benefit of this election is that it has brought into focus the disloyalty and long-term agenda of the Left.

I think a lot of fence sitters have been woken up against their will, and they won't be going back to sleep again.

Here's how to solve the Islamofascist terrorism problem. Bomb, bomb, and bomb the Muslim world until the "non-terrorists" get so sick of it they begin to police their own ummah.

#42 cordy

Jesus was Jewish so don't do crime or whatever? What a stupid approach for France. How that will convince the native Algerians, who are restless, to not wage jihad on poor French girls or Jewish graves is an open question.

The Jewish group which proposed the poster is obviously hung up on the last big war against Judaism. They say that about the Pentagon, always preparing to fight the last war.

s & d man

you don't know this statement to be be fact:

if he were a female prostitute.

Clinton's moto-any thrill, from any one, any time

19 Rayra,

Perhaps, but then please expend resources attacking Iran or N Korea, not Iraq that had nothing but at least was unified under a SECULAR leader.

20 Song and Dance,

Forgive me but just a couple of days ago in the Teens Vote for Bush thread, I outlined some of my thoughts on the subject and am too lazy to repeat them again. The crux of my argument is indeed similar to Kerry's in that we should have played our hand better, made sure we had a large number of Western allies, had a truly good reason to go into Iraq in the first place, and planned for the end of the war much better than we had.

Of course, one of the biggest failures in this regard is that back then, as now, we could not pinpoint any link between Iraq and the terror that hit us on 9/11. That affected the perceived legitimacy of this war in a profound manner.

21 Historian,

You could be right. I have to say that the resources the Wahhabis have put into controlling a majority of mosques around the world, not to mention a variety of "Muslim and Arab Education" centers at numerous institutions of higher learning is scary. However, we didn't attack Saudi Arabia or Iran, the two primary progenitors of the hate-America version of Islam. We attacked a secular country.

Besides, nobody in the Western world has yet come up with a solution for remaining free and democratic while placing restrictions on somebody's religion. This is our burden in these times.

24 Darleen,

Yeah, yeah, they all want to kill us and blah blah blah. Listen, if you want to fight these guys, you have to be smarter than them.

It is not smart to put all your key forces in once country - that didn't even have anything to do with 9/11 - if you want to get these guys.

It is not smart to attack their hotbed, Afghanistan, and then pull your troops out before you finish the job, so you can fight the failing war you opened on a second front.

It is not smart to go into a war without understanding how you're going to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Things don't just automatically fall into place with your ideology because you broke the existing system.

It is not smart to attack an enemy that has independent means and works in enclosed cells throughout the world, by attacking states that don't even have a relationship with your attackers.

Neville Chamberlain cut a deal with Hitler. Where is the parallel to today? You mean that Kerry will try to engage the European countries who aren't siding with us now? They aren't Hitler. You mean that Hussein was Hitler? Don't be funny or I'll hurt myself laughing too hard. Nobody felt Iraq was a serious danger. Read what Mofaz, Israel's Minister of Defense wrote months before the war that Israel was unconcerned about Iraq and didn't consider them a threat. Israel was concerned, he said and has since repeated, about Iran. Well, guess what? By going into Iraq so foolishly, we have given Iran time and incentive to speed up their nuclear program. And unlike Iraq, that had a toothless army after 1991, Iran has a real army and has missiles with significant ranges.

They found believers who, for all their cultural and geographical diversity, share an anger over Iraq and the Palestinians and a feeling that their religion is under threat from the West.

Yeah that imperialist George Bush won't let them practice the sacred Muslim ritual of killing infidels. It's not like Islam ever attacked the West ...oh, right- Israel, NYC, DC, PA, Bali, Madrid, Beslan...

As the sun rose over mosque after mosque across the globe, the muezzins waited for their shadows to gather at their feet, then one by one climbed into minarets, picked up microphones or simply lifted their voices to issue their call: “Mohammed is good, Mohammed is great, we surrender our will, as of this date. Nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah Allah, Nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah Allah, Allah, Allah, Batman- I mean ALLAH!!!...”

#47 song and dance man

If Skerry wins which I don't think he will Bush will still have 60+ days to finish his business, I hope he does.

#51 brickas

not Iraq that had nothing but at least was unified under a SECULAR leader.

Do you have anything but DNC talking points?

Saddam went full-blown jihadi towards the end. Fedayeen, heard of them? Saddam was no idiot, unlike Bill Clinton, at least Saddam didn't need a weatherman to know which way the wind was blowing. Saddam saw the promise in the latest version of jihad (v. 9.7).

Saddam was a secular leader the same way any Muslim Arab is a secular leader, not afraid to trash mosques or mullahs who made him angry.

why do these apologists continue the lie that 'troops were pulled out of afganistan'...were is the link from DOD, the white house, the pentagon where ever that states we have reduced coalition force strength in afganistan...

27 Skippy,

You hurt my feelings by accusing my of plagiarism, but I don't claim to be the first to say any of these things. They are fairly strightforward and common-sensical so why would others not be saying the very same things?

Things I would have done differently?

Hmmm...

*dream sequence where I am President*

I would have gone after Bin Laden and every fucking Al Qaeda member and their supporters around the world in the same way Israel went after the perpetrators of the Munich Massacre.

I would not have opened another front until the job was done.

If I would have opened a front, it would have been in Iran but only after I expended all my clout in Saudi Arabia to truly clamp down on the elements within their society that attack and want to destroy us.

I could go on, but you get the gist.

29, Real Richard,

I purposely used the word "appears." I have no idea how to measure hatred, nor how to generalize about every single person in a society.

Somewhere on this site somebody linked to an article by a Muslim official in Canada who essentially stated that all Israelis over 18 deserve to be attacked. Why would I want to be like him and become no better by grouping every Muslim in one way or another? There are ways for me to monitor this and protect myself without going to a war in Iraq.

arabs hate me and mine? woohoo!!way ahead a ya buds..let's pit our venom against your venom and see which snake devours the other..

Notice that Yahoo doesn't have a comment board for that piece! Poor Muslims, we finally caught on to all their bigotry and jihad crap and now they are upset. Bring it on, Allah, we're ready!

mmm...crossfire...looks like two idiots...no wonder I never watch it.

Bin Laden's plan WASN'T to have the biggest funder of terrorism with U.N. oil for food money removed form power. It was for the terrorists (who hate everybody that's more fortunate than them, so everybody) to wage a war that would weaken those Americans that hate war and would rather have their heads sawed off than to fight against it. And it's working! Bin Laden's plan is working! If the present state of mind of all these losers was in place during Normandy, Kerry would have been standing on the becah with a clicker and when the thousandth guy died on the beach, he would have shot himself in the leg and ordered everybody back into the boat, and left those dead soldiers on a foreign beach, dead for nothing. The situation in Iraq is only that way beacuse of the anti-Bushites partisan screaming, "Quagmire" to help their cause, but it strengthens the enemy and creates more quagmire.

#51 brickas

Look at a map. See Iran? Now look East of Iran, then West. What do you see? American troops. Only someone unfamiliar with the magic of the map could claim Iraq prevents us from doing something in Iran.

I'm sure you were out front pushing for an amphibious invasion of Iran a few years ago.

/yeah right

#48 Beagle

I agree. Stupid approach and for many reasons.

And it sooo seems to me that some people do still think they're fighting the last war. Hence it must be white gentiles and conservatives who are the real threat.

Also, I know a few Jews (and others) who think that because the UN was created in part to solve problems that caused World Wars that it just must the answer to today's problems. One can point out all the scandals and the fact that Israel is the most singled-out nation and that it doesn't seem like the UN has actually prevented anything reallly bad from happening, and they'll acknowledge that, they know it to be true, but they still have faith that the UN will save them. Many of the UN faithful are very intelligent, but cold logic just fails them on this point. I guess it's just human nature to generally go forward based mainly on the past (which might not be completely flawed all the time). I'm guessing the reason for the great difference between Israeli and American Jewish support for Bush is the fact that Israelis must live in the present.

In the immortal words of Gomer Pyle...Surprise, surprise, surprise!

#51 Brickas

The crux of my argument is indeed similar to Kerry's in that we should have played our hand better, made sure we had a large number of Western allies,

Would this be the the so called Allies that were on Saddam's payroll?

Why don't you get it?

If you were president and you had intel in front of you that said there was a large quantity WMD's in the hands of a nut who hates us and would like nothing better than to pass those weapons off to a terrorist organization and you had just been hit with an attack that killed 3000 people and cost our economy about 2 trillion dollars, what would you do? If say anything other than neutralize that threat at any cost you are wrong!

By the way quit polluting the minds of our young people with your babble.

Why did we go into Afghanistan?

Every guy that was involved in 9/11 was on those planes.

Oh, there were others involved you say?

Who, the people of Afghanistan?

No.

Who then?

Terrorists that don't have an actual nation?

What if you were fighting Bin Laden and he crossed the border into another country?

No U.N. approval to go get him?

Everybody with a brain KNOWS Saddam was funding WORLDWIDE TERRORISM with his own money and OIL FOR FOOD MONEY. And FOR TWELVE YEARS we sat by and watched France, Germany, and Russia try to keep this scenario going, because as long as the sanctions were allowed to WORK, Saddam was getting richer, his people were not being fed or taken care of, and worldwide terrorism was getting more financially fat. Kerry even said, "If you do not believe that we are safer with Saddam's removal, safer even hear in America, then you do not have the CREDIBILITY to be president" He was right, then. He's not now.

after nov 2 bush will begin to massage terroran and demascus with 'soothing' jdam massages..oohh ahhh!

HUSKER ,
Don't it get old, same old song and dance?

#62 Beagle

I thought I was the only one looking at the map your right we have them surrounded.

I would love someone to tell me why we went into Afghanistan if there were no WOMDs there?

#57 Brickas

Here's what *I* would do if I were President.

I would first punish the patrons of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan for 9-11. Thus, I'd be inserting American troops into Afghanistan, which just happens to be on Iran's eastern border.

While I'm doing that, I'd also be working some diplomatic magic to establish an American military presence in some of the former Soviet Central Asian republics. Thus, I'd be stationing American military in countries which just happen to be on Iran's northern border.

Then, I'd take out a country with a ruthless dictator who hates America and is responsible for funding terrorism in Israel (paying Jordyptians $25,000 to sacrifice their children to al-ilah), and very likely who has ties to al-Qaeda and affiliated organisation. I'd throw this regime out on its can, and voila, I'd have an American military presence in Iraq. Which just happens to be on Iran's western border.

Additionally, I'd WANT to open up "another front" in Iraq, since this will affect the moon-worshippers psychological, all that "win one for the Caliphate" nonsense, and which will draw the jihadis to Iraq to fight the invading Crusader infidels. Instead of having a bunch of these crazed loons wandering the whole planet trying to find ways to bomb this or that in who knows where, they'll flock to Iraq and become grist for the mill, so to speak. Lots of dead jihadis, who aren't dead because they suicide bombed a school in Poughkeepsie. Capice?

Anywise, this brings us to the American naval presence in and around the Arabian sea, which just happens to be on Iran's southern border.

The gig is set. Now we just have to wait for the mullahs to stick their hand in the beartrap.

Sounds like a pretty good plan, doncha think?

UUU I'm so scared the goat herders and dope dealers and women beaters Hate america.. I got ur hate right here ! come and get it .. reloads ...

#71 Titus

Well said, thats the guy I voted for!

I always laugh when people say Saddam Hussein wasn't like Hitler. Grow up. You think those children and babies found in that mass grave last week in Iraq just fell in there. How about those people who were tortured with electric cattle prods or those people who were fed into a woodchipper feet first? How about those Iraqi Jews who were tortured then hung for supposedly being Mossad? How about the churches in Iraq being persecuted for years? How about those women Uday and Qusay raped?
Do you know anything, anything about Hitler and the Third Reich?
The comparison of John Kerry and Neville Chamberlain is apt because both are willing to sacrifice anything for the antiquated notion of world peace. Both are willing to stick their heads in the ground and act like the world around them isn't what it really is. Both are willing to sacrifice life and freedom for a stupid notion of negotiating with terrorists. No one should think that being compared to Neville Chamberlain is a compliment.

Sorry people, I will be back but right now it's movie time with the wife.

the best part about iran however is that it wont take us troops ..just alittle tilting to allow clerics to be abrogated..no?

good plan titus!!..stick their hand(paw) in the trap!!

Back on topic for a moment.

"Why do they hate us?" Ignoring the logical fallacy which assumes we had to do something other than exist for them to hate us.
Not surprisingly, the media plays a large role

Every evening about 10 million people across the world are tuning into Al-Manar television, a satellite channel that lauds suicide bombers, accuses the United States of crimes against humanity and shows the Statue of Liberty as a gory, knife-wielding figure dripping blood.
They also hear a clear and violent call to arms against U.S. troops in Iraq and Israeli forces.
One video juxtaposes U.S. footage of soldiers with gory corpses and ends with a suicide bomber's belt exploding, all set to these lyrics:
"Down with the mother of terrorism. American threatens in vain, an occupying army of invaders. Nothing remains but rifles and suicide bombers."
The State Department said it has long viewed Al-Manar as being funded and run by Hezbollah, a U.S.-designated terrorist organization funded by Iran, but based in Lebanon.
"We've always been deeply troubled by Al-Manar's programming and content, its anti-Semitic bias, incitement to violence, including support for insurrection in Iraq and terrorist actions against both the U.S. and Israel," said State Department spokesman Gregg Sullivan.

It is extremely curious, that not only have we heard nothing of Osama bin Laden but we have also heard nothing of his right hand man, one Muhammod Omar whose daughter was married to OBLs son just befoer the invasion of Afghanistan.
OBL had at least 4 wives and 14 children as I recollect, and nary a whisper from any of them???
Given OBLs love of sending messages to the west and the sound of his own voice and being filmed--- that also curious for a strict Muslim- Islam forbids the taking of photos or likeness of the human image--I guess we can surmise he and aal his family are in paradiso

I have discovered that infuriating and biased newsstories read much better when you run them through the Dialectizer. In Redneck:

“Muslims is gittin' united now,..., Unfo'tunately, they’re united in one thin': hatred toward South Car'lina. Even an old man like me, it has hit me. An' I’ve nevah known hatred mah intire life.”

“God is great! Fry mah hide! ah bar witness thet thar is no god but Allah an' Muhammad is his messenger. Come t'prayers, come t'salvashun...” As they does ev'ry week, hundreds of millions of varmints responded t'thet call Friday.

#76 Brickas

Sorry people, I will be back but right now it's movie time with the wife.

Yeah didn't think you would respond in defense of you and sKerry's "Plan"

It's Miss Donna V. to you Do you speak redneck or have the translator?

after 9'11 when everyone was running around asking "why do they hate us"--i was saying[like the isley brothers]--waiiit a minute--"why the fuck don't we hate them"--but i guess i wasn't totally brainwashed by relatavistic pomo homo self hated--today when someone says to me --but they don't like us in iraq--i say--who the fuck gives a shit--we're there for us not them--just whip 'em with a cane and impale a few and they'll sniff at the crotch of your undies--allahu nakba

So these 10th century pigs picked the wrong time to attack. And now there angry. This makes me feel so bad. Maybe they could all sign up for the Afghan tour. That was once popular with angry young Muslim PUKES. It's like the hotel California. Once you check in, you never check out, except metaphorically speaking.

Arabs Hate America, Israel

Wow, these AP reporters are really on top of things. Cutting edge stuff.

The Islamofacists are fighting because they haven't got sick of the war yet. Why ..because we haven't leveled their cities.. rounded up the survivors and held them in tent cities for a few years while we sort out the guilty ones and shoot them tied to palm trees. Why are we always the nice guys..lets get Bush back in office and finish this crappy job.

sick of arab hate..i once liked these peeps..even skinned a rabbit for a coupla iranian students that went'hunting' in sonoran desert at tucson(with a 22)..they killed a woodpecker and a cardinal too. but i was niceguy American and didnt tell them they were not gamebirds..

now..I'm HATEMAN!..locked and loaded..pissed like Mt. St. Helens..

groundpoundin combat medic 2/8 1st Cav LRP
outof firebase melanie 71-72
who never saw a soldier do a bad act!!! as avered by traitor kerry.

just good men who wanted to go home andbe done with it.

You know it ought to a perequisite that ALL voters be able to read and write proper ENGLISH, and educated in WORLD/AMERICAN history, from about 1000 B.C. to current activities.
The bizarre manipulations of politics, history, strategy of warfare and civics is just piss poor. Over and over you see posters who are either critical of America/Bush or of Israel come on here spouting the same old arguments that have been endlessly refuted. If these people are American citizens and they insist on spouting disinformation, lies and slander they should be disqualified to vote on anything including dog catcher.
For example. Again tonight there was a documentary about the ethnic groups from Carthage, Lebannon and what is erroneously called Palestine today, ( orginally Canaan). They have through DNA testing proven these three groups are all related and originally from the same seed group. An ethnic group that was called The Sea Peoples. The Carthingians were called Phoenecians. By the Romans AND the Hebrews they were called THE PHILLISTINES. And that is where the word Palestine originated from. The Romans RENAMED Israel Philista or in the modern, Palistine. The socalled refugees that live in new homes with MARBLE floors and counter tops are not the indigneous folks that originated from the disputed territories. When the Hebrews conquored Canaan and drove them out, the name was changed to Israel.
So the argument of about Israel being imperialistic is null and void. They are only living on the land that has been theirs for over 3000 years.
/rant

incidently the turks have found a very good way to pop these puss pimples--its called kemalism--and it means that if you imam fuckers don't tow the line in your teachings and preachings--this here man's army is going to visit your ass with a truncheon and invite you to do some time on the midnight express--attaturk was faced with these fuckers and crushed them and their loser ways--works for me

zulubaby
They be so very smart.

*91 Willy Seaweed

Thank you for Viet Nam. It's depressing that almost fifty percent of our nation supports a man like John Kerry who has spent a lifetime in self-promotion rather than public service through his offices.

Do you think that uncontrolled immigration has anything to do with it? I do.

KWH:

The Dialectizer

It's hours o fun an' injoyment!

It's Miss Donna V. to you
Groovy, but I can speak redneck, I am from TN ;) Perhaps I'll pass this along to some poor arab, maybe he/she will understand Bush a little better

#96 It's Ms. Donna V. to you

Check out the front plate for Charles' blog when you translate it into Palestinian:

UUULLLUUULULULULULUU UUULUUULLLUUU LLLUUULLLULULLULLU!

Mass gothic ..i'm verklempt right now ..iam floridly having pissedoffedness,,arabs hate us>grrr>..iraqis
might vote in a theocracy..WHAT? can that happen ..are
they so stupid they would elect an Ayatollaship?.

thank you Mass gothic..do you know how rare that is?
someone saying thank you..it blows me away
cheers,baby

Within 50 years the global Left will have fully amalgamated with Islamism. Where will we be?

In other news, the sky is blue.

I love this blog. God bless Charles. I have no doubt that W will win the election and guide us to victory, as he has been doing. The Liberals would have us believe that we have so many lost jobs here in America and also that it Iraq is the wrong war. Doesn't this sound like we are in a depression and in a fake war? Doesn't this sound like the early 1940s? Back then even demoncats like FDR had enough patriotism to put economy aside and just go all out into WAR (which is the state we are in). I'm fed up with al Q'erry and his minions. Let's get out the vote and reelect W. Maybe after W wins we'll see a much more agressive stance on the war as we did with Nixon after his reelection (i.e.: Linebacker, etc). Bomb the Sunni Triangle back into the stone age! We sit here while al Zarquarri saws civilians' heads off? HELL, we'll show him the fury of a Trident Missile. Pick an Arabic city...any one...and...it landed on...BOOM! BOOM! ... BOOM! oops...more than one...my god we are killing tooo many terrorists...

/I forgot my sensitivity training

POLCAT

To all Arabs who hate us:

What you are experiencing is about 1/10th of the hate we felt for your kind on 9/11.

And know this:
Should there be a second 9/11, the great war between Islam and the West will happen. And you will lose. You will all die in a glorious nuclear fire.

So bring it on. Because we are really sick of your shit.

Ratbert (#102)

Other "Captain Obvious" headlines:

Water is wet.
The sun is bright.
Don't eat yellow snow.
Rocks are hard.
Snow is cold.

Anyone else???

Tom Friedman's latest column contains the usual mixture of insight and idiocy.

Insight in the recognition that Islam is coming to define its enemy as an aggregation that Friedman calls JIA, for Jews/Israel/America. One manifestation of this is the Iraqi term for US forces in their country: Jews.

Idiocy in the assumption that if only Israel would work to develop a true peace partner from among the Palestinians, the conflict could be resolved.

OT -
Wonder how many of these reporters were Presbyterians as they visit Hezbollah and remember St. Pancake with a little social call to Caterpillar Co.

"Your tax dollars and mine surely purchased the D-9 bulldozer that killed Rachel," said a tearful Craig.

Don't miss this one in the article above:

Sheik Nabil Qauq of Hezbollah is shown as saying: "The American policy today is similar to an owl bringing bad tidings. All we hear from (President) Bush are words of war, evil, destruction, killing, siege and threat. This aggressive inclination is a real danger to all monotheistic religions and it harms Christianity."

LFG - the owl of bad tidings. Like that one, Charles?

#107

"Your tax dollars and mine surely purchased the D-9 bulldozer that killed Rachel," said a tearful Craig.

And a fine dozer it was.

Rachel Corey was nothing more or less than a victim of natural selection. She was too stupid to live.

Wow! What a shocker, who knew!

Brickas

So much for your "SECULAR" Saddam. Jihad Watch, linking to,
Slate, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the VRWC.

Send more US tax money to Egypt. Then they will love us and support us in the UN.

What don't they hate?

Question is..So why arent democrats calling ARABS racist's? Muslims are no better than the KKK.

What hypocrits the LIBS are.

Lies feed the hate, and they get plenty of lies.

Their supremacy doctrine, telling them that Islam must be superior to the infidel, also feeds their humiliation and therefore their sense of victimization.

The US is the superpower of the infidels, and therefore the object of hate. Nothing we do can change that except suffer a vast loss of power.

The Jews are an object of hate because their interpretation of their scripture tells them so.

Israel's refusal to be defeated by the Arabs, in spite of the Muslims' sense of supremacy, also feeds their humiliation, and therefore their sense of victimization.

The main sources of their hatred consists of: lies; their sense of supremacy of Islam; their sensitivity to humiliation when they are not supreme; their keen sense of victimization because of their ultra-sensitivity to humiliation; their scripture (or rather, their interpretation of it).

I guess their hate for us makes us even.

I keep hearing Arabs wax poetic of this mythical land, Palestine...where is this mythical land?

I bet it's part of the Arabs tendency toward delusional thought processs. Thus, to summarize: Palestine = Erehwon

#117
Arafat and the Arab history re-write team, want the world to think that they have some biblical identity as a separate people or nation, and that such historical identity can be traced back to Israel.

Myths and Facts of the Arab Israeli Conflict offers a good historical overview of the Arabs as Philistines myth.

The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century B.C.E., settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what are now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century C.E., after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word "Filastin" is derived from this Latin name.

The Hebrews entered the Land of Israel about 1300 B.C.E., living under a tribal confederation until being united under the first monarch, King Saul. The second king, David, established Jerusalem as the capital around 1000 B.C.E. David's son, Solomon built the Temple soon thereafter and consolidated the military, administrative and religious functions of the kingdom. The nation was divided under Solomon's son, with the northern kingdom (Israel) lasting until 722 B.C.E., when the Assyrians destroyed it, and the southern kingdom (Judah) surviving until the Babylonian conquest in 586 B.C.E. The Jewish people enjoyed brief periods of sovereignty afterward before most Jews were finally driven from their homeland in 135 C.E.

Jewish independence in the Land of Israel lasted for more than 400 years. This is much longer than Americans have enjoyed independence in what has become known as the United States. In fact, if not for foreign conquerors, Israel would be 3,000 years old today.

Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not."

Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:

We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds.

In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: "There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."

The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947 that said "Palestine was part of the Province of Syria" and that, "politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity." A few years later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, told the Security Council: "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."

Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank.

Some Presbyterians need to get a major cluebat upside the head, particularly that Stone(d) fellow. Hezbollah is organized around the principle of destroying the United States. It's just Iran in a terrorist group, fergoodnessake.
Nasrallah

"Let the entire world hear me," said Sheik Hassan Nasrallah on Sept. 27, 2002. "Our hostility to the Great Satan is absolute."

There's good reason to take this sheik seriously. In 1983, his Iranian-backed Lebanese terrorist group attacked the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, killing 241 Americans. According to the opinion of U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth in the case of Peterson v. the Islamic Republic of Iran, Nasrallah attended the meeting in Baalbek, Lebanon, where the 1983 attack was planned. Until Sept. 11, it remained the deadliest terrorist strike ever against the United States.

The sheik's Sept. 27, 2002, rally in Beirut celebrated the Palestinian intifadah. It was broadcast live on Lebanese TV and monitored by the BBC.

"Regardless of how the world has changed after 11 September," Nasrallah said that day, "Death to America will remain our reverberating and powerful slogan: Death to America!"

Arabs hate us? And this is new news?

Muslims want to eliminate Israel. They can't. With us as an ally, we'd go nuclear-nap time on their asses. So how do Muslims win this battle? They can't hit Israel, but they can hit us. Our P.C. bullshit country already has people who think we DESREVED 9/11. So just keep up the little battles here and there, and slowly but surely, those weak-stomached, weak-spirited liberals will protest and f**k with our laws, and hopefully, with Kerry's help, hand over our soverignty and our 220 years of battle-earned constitutional endeavors to become the shithole that a wrong-choiced Europe has become. Then, when we are as weak as France and the other socialist, poor, nobody's working, give-me-a-handout, prideless f**ks, the muslims will attack Israel becaue no one else will be there to back them up. Our economy, flu-shots, me not having 1000 dollar/month health benifits and not making 37/hr pales in comparison to this issue! If I'm dead or socialism takes over, NO ONE WILL BE WORKING! We'll ALL be standing in line for our handouts, then 20-30 years later, to be executed!

Even Muslims today who choose not to hate non-Muslims are trapped in a historical vice--the Qur'an and the various Hadith are constructed upon a foundation of religious supremacy and antagonism towards Jews, Polytheists (including Christians and Hindus), disbelievers, and apostates. Mohammad's goal was to establish Islam by hook or crook--if he couldn't convince, he would persuade. If he couldn't persuade, he would threaten. If he could't gain converts (reverts) through threat, he condemned them and authorized his followers to slay them. When the Qur'an and Ahadith are analyzed historically, it truly is a religion of hatred.

#118 ploome hineni -

wow, have you ever heard or seen ANYTHING so VILE?

Only from the Kerry supporters.

During the early 14 Century during Arab rule Christians and Jews both were ordered to convert to Islam and praise allah. Are we slowly coming to this point in todays world where one day the previous mentioned scenario will come true? Will 12 million Jews around the world be forced to convert to Islam. Will the 888 Million Christians be forced to convert to Islam? This is a scary though.
It can be world domination via conversion. Islam is after all the largest growing religion around the world next to Hinduism. I guess we might have to get used to saying Allah is great.. LOL hopefully NOT...

I keep hearing "death to America" coming from these clowns.

Why is it so uncouth to say "death to islam"? I dunno.

I like the sound of it.

BIG SHOCKA!

or as the old saying goes, I'm shocked shocked!

** OT**

The Lockerbie Bomber

Why America must ensure extradition of all Terrorists from Britain to USA They get it too easy here. This is going to make you sick.

[Link: www.dailyrecord.co.uk...]

Nelson Mandella even came over here for a visit to make sure his conditions were ok. It's just plain wrong.

#51 Brickass

Good God what a buffoon you are.

It is not smart to put all your key forces in once country - that didn't even have anything to do with 9/11 - if you want to get these guys.

Pure Canard, red herring. You expect everyone reading this post to agree with your premise, which is 180 degrees WRONG. Iraq was and is a "hotbed" of anti-american mischief and terror-support since before Gulf War I. Why else wouod we have spent 12 years enforcing no-fly zones in Iraq and taking AAA fire from them ?

The LLL attempt to make 9-11 a "litmus test" for supporting the WOT is a purely rhetorical spin tactic. Anyone who faces the reality of the Jihad knows that it is all interconnected. Al Qaeda is now, and always has been deeply up Iraq's ass.

It is not smart to attack their hotbed, Afghanistan, and then pull your troops out before you finish the job, so you can fight the failing war you opened on a second front.

Firstly, we kicked the Taliban's ass with less than a Division of Special Forces, which is just about what we have in there now. How is that "pulling troops out before you finish" Then again, the first Afghan elections in the history of the world obviously counts for nothing to you.

Second, the "failing war" you whine about is actually a huge success. We crushed Saddams entire army and marched from Basra to Baghdad in three weeks, the fastest and with the least casualties of any major campaign in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD, and this is a "failure ???"

Now the Iraquis are gearing up for an actual election. Again this to Brick-Brain is a "failure."

When you LLL's finally get off of polemic and mendacity to score political "points" then maybe you'll be taken seriously as a political force again, but obviously playing rhetorical games and denying hard truths are too much for your propaganda riddled brains to endure.

Dumbass, I mean Brickass says :

It is not smart to go into a war without understanding how you're going to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Things don't just automatically fall into place with your ideology because you broke the existing system.

It is not smart to attack an enemy that has independent means and works in enclosed cells throughout the world, by attacking states that don't even have a relationship with your attackers.

Okay, so I suppose we should have enforced the no-fly zones for another 12 years?? Waited until Saddam HAD nukes and misslies?

All these arguments rely entirely on hindsight and an ideological polemicism that just dosen't ring true and shows an apalling lack of moral clarity, moral fortitude, or morality of any kind.

Just to disabuse you of your premise once and for all, consider this. We now have Iran caught in between our forces in Afghanistan, with a friendly government, and our Army in Iraq, which is not leaving anytime soon.

I would say that the strategic initiative is WITH US.

Your "strategy" (if it even deserves the name) of passive hand wringing in the face of terror, "conditionality" of every action "depending on what the outcome is" as you Nuancy French Candidate Kerry would say, is a recipe for defeat, disaster and disgrace.

Which I guess shows which side you're on.

Brickass

Neville Chamberlain cut a deal with Hitler. Where is the parallel to today? You mean that Kerry will try to engage the European countries who aren't siding with us now? They aren't Hitler. You mean that Hussein was Hitler? Don't be funny or I'll hurt myself laughing too hard. Nobody felt Iraq was a serious danger. Read what Mofaz, Israel's Minister of Defense wrote months before the war that Israel was unconcerned about Iraq and didn't consider them a threat. Israel was concerned, he said and has since repeated, about Iran. Well, guess what? By going into Iraq so foolishly, we have given Iran time and incentive to speed up their nuclear program. And unlike Iraq, that had a toothless army after 1991, Iran has a real army and has missiles with significant ranges.

The parallel today is with leftie appeasenik defeatists like you who would have us cut and run in the face of danger.

And yes Hussain WAS Hitler, excuse me, but I seem to recall something about the Gassing of Thusands of Kurdish men WOMEN AND CHILDREN, and mass graves with THOUSANDS of his OWN CITIZENS in them, I seem to recall something about geoncidal Jew hatred and continual threats against Israel spewing form Baathist Iraq. This is not to mention the DIRECT HISTORICAL LINKS between the Euro-Fascists and the Baath Party which you are obviously ignorant of.

The Iranian Army you are so afraid of?? HAjahHAhHAhhaHAhhHAh, they fought Hussain's army that we crushed in three weeks to an EIGHT YEAR STANDOFF, using HUMAN WAVE suicide charge tactics. We will do to the Iranian Army the same as we did to the Taliban and the Iraquis, and the population of Iran will CHEER when we hang the Mullahs from the lampposts of Tehran.

Israel will soon take care of the Iranian Nuke Factories, have no fear.

Ooops HAHahHAHAha, I forgot who I was talking to !

"Have no fear" HAhhaHAhhHAhahHA

#126 Kilraven

Death to Islam

Death to Islam

Death to Islam

Death to Islam

Death to Islam

I will not rest until Islam is a religion practiced only in Hell.

I don't think the Jesus sign was meant to attack Catholics, I think it was meant to say that an attack on Jews is an attack on Catholics/Christians, and it is their problem too.

#93 Hulugu

Quite right. This is the future of Islam. That is, if there is any future for that scumbag sanctimonious prison-gang called a religion.

62 Beagle,

What's the point of having soldiers there when they are hiding behind fortified barricades and watching as the country they took over might be evolving into a theocracy with values similar to Iran? We are bogged down there because of poor planning and considerations.

If the road to Tehran was supposed to go through Baghdad, it seems somebody miscalculated terribly. And it wasn't Clinton or Shinseky. In the meantime, the time passage is only strengthening Iran.

65 Parker in US,

Babble and pollution because you disagree with my views? I thought you guys on the Right were a true beacon of freedom of expression and, you know, stuff like that. Don't worry, I don't have the time or inclination to take on all of LGF with your monolithic views.

As for the notion that Hussein was about to hand off his WMDs to Al Qaeda, please spare us the retroactive excuses. If anything, we are learning that the Administration sifted through the intelligence they received and focused on those elements that strengthened their argument for going to war against Iraq. To this day, people like you have to make up excuses and people like me have to guess at motives because we have no clue what made our Administration attack Iraq. One thing is certain, it had nothing to do with terrorism or with 9/11.

But you're right, if I were President and I had information that Al Qaeda was planning to hit us, say, in the form of a dossier that mentioned it, I'd take some steps to protect the nation. Bush didn't. If, after 9/11, I had information that Al Qaeda was coming after us and there's a possibility that they might possess a dirty bomb or had contact with he head of a Muslim country's nuclear program, I would use all my resources to go after them. Instead, we focused our resources on...Iraq.

71, Titus,

Guess what? It sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. While you set this beautiful trap, the people you plan to trap have doubled the range of their missiles, have moved to within months to a couple of years of full nuclear capability, continue to thumb their nose at you and the world (which suggests that either their strategists are not as smart as you, or that they are not afraid), and are watching gleefully as they undermine your military and diplomatic credibility by bogging you down in Iraq, killing your forces and those of the few Iraqis you've trained into soldiers, and making the country - a secular country for the past decades - into a Shiite led theocracy.

72 Song and Dance man,

I was wrong about the thread, it was the Jewish Press endorses Bush thread.

Anyway, why would we go into a $120 billion dollar (so far) war in Iraq over a few hundred thousand dollars that Hussein spent supporting some suicide bombers in Israel? I'm a Jew and a staunch supporter of Israel and wouldn't have gone to war over that. I mean, you could have provided a million dollars to each of those bombers and you would have been about $119,970,000,000 and a thousand American lives ahead right now.

Even Israel didn't perceive Iraq to be a threat, and certainly not one to be worried about.

As to your idea that this is about stopping Bin Laden and all those who think like him, explain to me why we've attacked tootheless Iraq when Iran and Saudi both think much more like Bin Laden.

Besides, if this is really about attacking all those who think like Bin Laden, we've already lost. We don't have the manpower or equipment to even service this war, much less a broader one. Don't forget that Iraq only has 17 million people. What about the other 1.2 billion Muslims? What if only a quarter of them agree with Bin Laden? How are you going to tackle that many?

My answer would be to go after the Bin Ladens and the Al Qaedas, not the states. You go after a country, especially a country like Iraq which is a non-organic state created by the British at random, and how are you going to clean up the mess afterwards? The answer is, you won't because you can't. That's what we're seeing right now and Iraq is a small Arab country - Iran has 60 million people.

75 MJK,

Great, I look forward to all the other countries we're going to have to attack now because their leaders are brutal dictators.

Saddam was a pig, no question about it. However, he was no Hitler. He wasn't even close. Even if you want to depict him as a Hitler, you come against the inevitable problem that he had a toothless army after 1991. The second problem you encounter is that Bush Sr. was the one who didn't finish the job in 1991. Even worse, we then abandoned the Kurds who were fomenting rebellion because we promised our support and then reneged. So who was our Neville? Geroge Sr.?

80 Beagle,

Those broadcasts are definitely harming us.

82 Song and Dance Man,

Since when has any terrorist, or Democrats for that matter, let religion get in the way of spreading their hatred?

I think you're confusing Democrats with terrorists. I guess I could buy the argument that there are those on the Far Left and the Far Right who are like terrorists when they take their ideology to the violent extreme or else when they support the violence because of their views. However, if you think that way about Democrats, you might belong to the ranks of those on the Far Right who might be dangerous. Most people on the Right and the Left are close to the Center so get over the hatred.

84 Parker

I guess you were wrong.

You should go out and do things other than post sometimes. It's fun and opens your mind.

106 Ben F

I agree with you about Friedman's column. He turns us into the crimininals and "them" into our victims - precisely the line of thinking the Far Left and the Pro-Palestinians have been shoving down Europe's throats (and now ours) for a couple of decades now.

111 Beagle

Of course Iraq was secular. Pan Arabism is a secular movement that relies to a degree on the common religious foundation these countries share which is Islam. When you read tracts about the Muslim nation and when you read tracts about Pan-Arabism, you come across many of the same ideas.

However, all you have to do is look at Iran or Saudi and compare them to Iraq in order to see a discernible difference between a theocracy, a monarchy with a heavy religious tilt and a secular dictatorship that manipulates the symbols of Islam to its own advantage when necessary (for example, around 1990 when Hussein took Kuwait and was planning on going into Saudi which is considered holy land to Muslims).

Finally, I wouldn't say that today's fighters don't have among them many devout Muslims who are motivated by their devoutness. On the contrary, that is precisely my point - we awakened them!

La Wedgie
107 -> 108 -> 118 -> 124

Amazing! Some misguided Presbyterians visit Hezbollah and denounce Israel while spewing forth bullshit and somehow this is like Kerry supporters?

How perverse.

And another in the same vein:

Martel at 129 -> 132

Too much crap that's so off base it's sad but not surprising to see that your conclusion is the Death to Islam chant in 132. God help us all if you represent any of us.

Wow!! Breakthrough. Someone in Britain has figured out that
Islam (pardon me, the religion of peace) is a little rough on infidels.
Can the discovery that the sun comes up in the East be far behind?

Wow!! Breakthrough. Someone in Britain has figured out that Islam (pardon me, the religion of peace) is a little rough on infidels.

How LENIENT the americans are with the Iraqi civilians or with what you haters call "terrorists" (much like infidels)!!

#139 Brick

Yeah, I guess my posts lack your "nuance."

Your posts are so convoluted that they almost completely lack meaning. Doubtless, just like your presidential candidate.

Especially your thought that "Saddam was no Hitler." I'm afraid that you are COMPLETELY off-base. Why don't you read up on Michel Aflaq and Hitlers Islamic SS Brigades. Educate yourself before you embarass yourself further. Saddam Hussein is a direct political descendant of Hitler, the Baathists are directly descended from European "National Socialism." Your denial of the facts is curious and telling.

And what is the point of your extensive critique? That we would be better off with Saddam in power?? That the Gassing of the Kurds and the oppression and MURDER OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of his own people is of no significance?

You are as morally bankrupt as you are politically inept. You are a transparent shill, but to what end I am at a loss to discern.

Just because Hussein was nominally "Secular" this is supposedly a saving grace? Even the hideous Mullahs of Iran don't butcher thier people on the scale of Saddam. Stalin and Pol Pot were "secularists" too. Does that make them okay in your book? I guess you have to be secularist AND anti-american to make it into Brickass' Friendly-Cuddly-Secularist book eh?

I prefer a sincere "Death to Islam" to your mealy-mouthed, moral-relativist appeasnik morass of self-loathing.

Who's side are you on. Really?

#143 Martel-Sobieski

And what is the point of your extensive critique? That we would be better off with Saddam in power?? That the Gassing of the Kurds and the oppression and MURDER OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of his own people is of no significance?

Now, you, war supporters, are feeling pitty on the Iraqis... won't you the ones who yell and post with a kill-them-all attitude!! The Kurds and Shia are muslims and were oppressed by Saddam. Weren't you the ones who call for killing every muslim. Your Hypocrisy is astonishing...

Anyway, NO... Saddam was a bad guy for many reasons and the first one is his filthy relation with US and the CIA!!

May, your are correct that the muslims are the first and foremost victims of both Saddam and of Islamic fanaticism and of "islam" in general. All the more reason that Islam should be eradicated from the Earth.

There is a difference between Death to Islam and "Kill the Muslims."

Don't be so obtuse, jeez.

Martel,

Do those personal attacks get you far in these discussions?

Let me know if you have something to say where you're not frothing at the mouth, and maybe I'll respond. You'll notice all the others got a response.

I apologize for mixing my theses. Exposing and eradicating Islam is a separate issue from the Iraq war.

Unfortunately "Kemalism" is probably the best that can be hoped for if the Islamists are to be checked in the future.

May says

Anyway, NO... Saddam was a bad guy for many reasons and the first one is his filthy relation with US and the CIA!!

Well, we know what side you're on. So I suppose that Jacques Chirac and Gerhard Scrhoeder and Vladimir Putin and Kofi Annan who are up to thier elbows in Saddams ass. Enthusiastically partiipating in Saddam's kickbacks-for-oil scam, yeah, they are okay.

But the USA who saves and liberates the benighted and oppressed of Iraq and Afghanistan, yeah, THEY are evil.

Even though I my have confused you by my mixing of topics, you are a twisted fool all by yourself.

I will never understand the hysterical anti-americanism and ill-will of people who defend the Saddam regime and morally equivocators like you. Did you like Saddam ? Do you wish he was back? Do you wishthat America would be defeated? Do you support islamic terrorism? What is it with you? Are you a traitor, defeatist appeaser, islamophile? What?

Does it make you feel good when you smear America? Are you really that small a person that you would damn millions to living under oppression just so that you can take a slap at Uncle Sam?

How do you live with yourself?

Don't do me any favors Brick. The less heard from you the better.

Typical LLL response. Respond to thier witless diatribes with facts and they call it a "personal attack."

He reponds to thoughful responses with "off-base crap."

How very intellectual and mature of you, dumbass.

Okay, somebody please explain to me why I was called a troll while this Martel person isn't.

#147 Martel-Sobieski

May, your are correct that the muslims are the first and foremost victims of both Saddam and of Islamic fanaticism and of "islam" in general.

Let me hear again! You Should eradicate islam for the sake of muslims...Is this what you say??! very funny, it looks as if we are living an age of neo-conversion campaign to convert the masses!!! Open your eyes, this is not the dark ages...

There is a difference between Death to Islam and "Kill the Muslims."

Better ask muslims about that... Saddam is not muslim as you said and what you call "slamic fanaticism" came abroad from the caves of afghanistan as those liars in the white house claim and you nod your head agreeing...

Don't be so obtuse, jeez.

Don't worry, I understand you very well hater... you can't hide you hate for any thing muslim... I understand you deep inside and sensing that thing telling you to kill all muslims, making you look like say...terrorists, Nazists

calm down Martel and stop shouting and ranting... this may help u speak better...

#150 Brickas

Okay, somebody please explain to me why I was called a troll while this Martel person isn't.

They are like him...

I'll tell you what. When the Grand Imam of Al Azhar, the Ayatollah Khameini and Sheikh Nasrallah come out and renounce the Jihad against all Jews, Christians, Hindus, Baha'i, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Taoists, Atheists, Westeners and everyone else who isn't a muslim, then I'll stop "hating" as you say.

When they profess love and understanding towards all mankind, then I will accept them. But until then ???

Yes I do hate Islam. I hate anyone who wants to kill me. I hate anyone who is devoted to an evil, hateful cult that propagates hatred and death for all others but its own. I hate that vicious prison gang that masquerades as a religion, that believes it's okay to rape, murder and enslave anyone and everyone in the name of thier false "prophet."

I will rally behind any banner that fights against the plague of Islam.

If 1,400 years of uninterrupted aggression, disgusting mysogyny, oppression of all other faiths in its path, open violence, treachery, bloodshed and war aren't enough for you to see what we are fighting against, you had better go get yourself fitted for a burqa.

As for me, I choose to fight the heathen islamic hordes. I will not allow them to putrefy my society with thier backwardness and barbarism. If they want to live in America, let them renounce Jihad against America. Why is that unreasonable??

We don't allow apocalyptic cults to murder innocents, we don't allow Aztec Pagans to sacrifice Humans or Satanists to sacrifice babies. Why on Earth should we tolerate the cult of Jihad???

Just Who and What are you defending???

Read and Learn, Read and Learn

may05, what do you have to say about this?

Sorry, I meant Read and Learn, . . here

#27 skippy

#9 Brickas plagiarized John Kerry thusly:

You are wrong. He has not plagiarized John Kerry.

Brickas IS John Kerry!

PS :
Is 'Brickas' short for 'Brickas a thick'?

156,

Finally, an LGFer with a sense of humor! Thanks for the hearty laugh, Uhller. Please remember to vote for me.

#151
May05

Better ask muslims about that... Saddam is not muslim as you said and what you call "slamic fanaticism" came abroad from the caves of afghanistan as those liars in the white house claim and you nod your head agreeing...

So what if Saddam was not a true muslim? Neither was the pedophile prophet Muhammed.

He knew he was lying to his gullible followers.

Saddam as the alleged descendant of the psycopathic pedophile prophet used the gullibility of muslims in the same way. Emulating this pp prophet is the duty of all muslims. Saddam gets top marks in this.

#153 Martel

Very well said!

Charles Martel was the person that stopped the savages when they tried to invade Europe from Spain.

The RELIGION OF PEACE HAD INVADED SPAIN!

THE RELIGION OF PEACE HAD INVADED AS FAR AS INDIA! How many millions did they slaughter there in the name of merciful Allah?

THE RELIGION OF PEACE IS CUTTING THROATS FROM EAST TO WEST (I'm not talking about the direction of the blade movement)

The last thing the world needs is THE RELIGION OF PEACE!

I wonder if May05 has the slightest inkling of what is in the koran and hadiths?

Never have I read such stupid and violent rubbish!

No wonder that all over the world, where there are muslims, there is strife.

This cruel and sadistic Allah is one and the same as Satan.

Uhller Isshaytan

And the Religion of Peace advanced to India.

And they said "We have come to offer you the Religion of Peace!

SUBMIT!!

Or in the Name of the Merciful Allah, we will smite off your heads!"

And they smote off many heads. And so the owners of these heads found peace.

This is proof of the Mercy of Allah!

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And the Religion of Peace advanced to Persia...

And the Religion of Peace advanced into Spain...

And the Religion of Peace advanced into France...but their head smiting plans were stopped by Charles Martel, thanks be to Allah.

(this was a long time ago. Since charles martel no longer lives, 5 million or so have been able to enter unimpeded in recent years.)

#157

BrickasJohn, I have already voted. - For John...John Howard.

Sorry.

Uhller,

Well then, you probably have some free time now. Come visit us and vote again. Vote often. Vote for me!

#161

John, do you want my bank account number in which to make a deposit? BTW, how much? (I know you're getting desperate)

regardsAllahUhller Isshaytan

Uhller,

Desperate I am not. In the worst case scenario, in which I lose this race and Bush proceeds to a second term (which, needless to say, will set up the future destruction of our nation and its social fabric), I'm confident that I'll be able to move to Australia with my family. I hear you guys have a lot of open space and some faltering real estate prices.

Ciao,
John

#163
My Dear Pr Brickas John Kerry,

will set up the future destruction of our nation and its social fabric)

Me and my mate George have got a lot in common.

This is exactly what my critics have been saying would happen to our Antipodean paradise if I got in for another term.

Even worse, everyone was going to hate us as much as they hate Americans.

They accused me of being too accomodating to my good mate George. They even called me 'deputy sherrif' and some even "George's pet poodle" etc.

Yet all this seems to have got me more votes than any previous election.

So your move could be like jumping from the pot into the fire.

But if you wish to come here, Mark Latham would be only too happy to have you as part of his team.

He has many things in common with you.

And as far as defending us from Muslims, he has a good track record. Some years ago, he broke the arm of a Muslim taxi driver over a fare dispute. The driver grabbed his briefcase and Mark gave him a rugby tackle and then broke his arm.

And guess what? This taxi driver said he would vote for Mark. Which backs up the claims of Mark and his supporters, that Muslims would forgive us (for supporting my good mate George) and hate us less under Mark's leadership.

This would make us as safe as say, Madrid.

Mark also was mayor of a suburb and under his leadership it went bankrupt.

When it comes to flip flopping, the two of you would get on fine.

As long as you synchronize your flips and your flopps. Otherwise they might cancel each other.

The first thing Mark said was he would bring the boys home by christmas. When his party members told him it was not a wise thing to say, (especially seeing most of them had already come home - the few remaining being for protection of embassy and staff), he then pointed out "of course we would seek expert advice before acting."

Whenever I made an election promise, without being too specific, Mark would say that he would do better.

His motto "We will not be beaten in price"

It doesn't look like Mark will be leader of his party for too long. There are resignations, bitter infighting and turmoil. I would welcome you to come here and make your contribution to it. The more the merrier.

In the meantime, keep up the good work. You're the best thing my mate George has got going for him.

Some of my advisors have suggested paying you to campaign against us at our next election.

So if you do decide to come here, you will be warmly received by all.

John HowardUhller Isshaytan