The media has finally sold their soul for the AAB crowd. Regardless of who wins, the mask has slipped away and we know them now for the partisan hacks that they are.

CBS's revenge for not being able to torpedo Bush earlier with those forged documents.

I hope NBC leaps out at this in a chance to feast on the bloated carcass of CBS!

They had reporters there as eyewitnesses.

They want to see how far down the rabbit hole that CBS can take its news division?

They want to see if they can really dig all the way to China?

They want to see whether there really are Morlocks at the center of the earth?

This is endless - but here's one question. What news producer was running this story?

Time for a Dan Rather Anchor Desk Swarm!

Rush is on now, and he is laying it on hard... Blaming ElBaradai (wtf ever his name is) for making this up, sending it to NYT/CBS to run it on the eve of the election to influence our election. Revenge for the US criticizing him for totally missing the Libyan nuclear program.

Oh good I'm glad the broadcast media are now involved because the government regulates broadcast media.
Time for another letter to my congressman? Or do I still wait 48 hours?

they are tripping over each over to see who can screw up first...

They worked on the fraudulent TANG "indictment" for five years and it got about as far as you could throw a potato chip.

Is it any wonder then that they felt like this rush job charade needed to run it at the very last minute?

Turn on Rush! He is talking about this and it is explosive! He is dissecting each point of the CBS involvement and how Kerry and his campaign are major players in this to destroy Bush's campaign! He said this is huge! HE IS ON FIRE!!

Scarborough should be interesting tonight...Story would have had legs except for the NBC reporter on site 10 April 2002.../Rather weeps quietly in the corner.

#4 lawhawk

Haven't they already hit China?

/vision or rather, covered with dirt, peering out of hole, looking at the forbidden palace upside-down

#4 lawhawk

question. What news producer was running this story?

Boy would I like to know...

#12

er, vision of rather...

PIMF!

OT.

At least 84 dead in clashes in Thailand's Muslim south

See the video at daily recycler

The liberals are going nuts from desperation.
Yesterday, for the first time ever, New Yorker magazine endorsed a candidate. Any guess who?

Is there a way to listen to Rush with Windows Media Player for mac?

The LA Times, the NY Times, and CBS---an unholy trinity of MSM arrogance.

Time to go to Ratghergate.com & do some emailing.

If it was Mary Mapes, then we have ourselves a complete disregard of all ethical standards. Heads should roll, but they won't...

Maybe I can sue CBS as a shareholder in a mutual fund that has part of them...? /lll response

Jumpin' Puss Buckets!

If Kerry wins, it won't be because of idiots like George Soros, it will be the MSM and their utter lack of responsibility.

We need to set aside the word "bias" and start calling it "media prejudice".

Tim McNabb
fivehundredwords.com

I still have about 30GB of transfer left, so take a look at this for a laugh:
Swift Goose Veterans for Truth

CBS News Still Digging the Hole

An air-raid shelter, perhaps? A bomb-proof bunker? Batten down the hatches!

Hiding would be a wise decision at this point.

OT

18:01 Palestinian officials say PA Chairman Arafat is suffering from a large gallstone, which is not life threatening

I Hope it really, really hurts.

"According to Drudge..." LOL. Might as well start using al-Guardian and NewsMax.

I want to see this headline sometime:

CBS hits bottom, reaches for dynamite.

Outrageous! Doctors take the Hippocratic oath. Reporters must now be taking a hypocritic oath. Any resemblence of current news reports to the truth is purely coincidental.

#12 ward cleaver:

That would make a great C&F cartoon!

As for which producers were involved, we know that Fager is at least partially responsible since he's exec producer. However, he may not have been the proponent of the piece. That could lie with someone else at CBS - though I don't think it was Mapes because of the animosity between the 60 Minutes and 60 Minutes II crowd. If it was Mapes, that shows that absolutely no one at CBS News cares one whit about facts or objectivity.

BTW, I know that it looks like CBS News doesn't care about facts or objectivity regardless of whoever was running the story, but the hole goes deeper if Mapes was involved, even after Ra^thergate.

This clumsy "missing explosives scandal" smear attempt it taking on a hilarious, Keystone Kops sort of quality. Memogate II--Explosive Boogaloo! Within a week the wingnuts will be claiming that Karl Rove engineered the whole thing. And I almost hope they're right.

#18

Use iTunes, go under Advanced/Open Stream, then put this in and enjoy:

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If this story is bogus, which it clearly is, why the hell doesn't FOX news take it off its web page. They are a little too slow to react to some of these issues and
IT JUST AINT RIGHT.

If it was real news they would not have wanted to wait. But instead, they planned to release it a few days before the election so the truth would not come out. This is bullshit. We know they weren't holding it in order to fact check it. Maybe, a congressional investigation into the practices of the msm to unduly influence the election is warranted after all.

Did they think this story would swing the election? I can't believe they'd put their entire news careers on the line for this! Why do they think people are too dumb to figure this out? Candidate Kerry doesn't help at all, they'd have a better chance if they told the complete truth. Totally different story if the ticket was Leiberman/Gephart.

"According to Drudge..." LOL. Might as well start using al-Guardian and NewsMax.

You just keep telling yourself that. At least Drudge is right a high percentage of the time.

Even though the missing weapons story has been proven to be fake, I just heard (on Fox) my governor, Mark Warner, D-Va, cite the "missing weapons" as a reason that Bush is "having a bad week" and is "bungling the war in Iraq".

Neither the Fox moderator nor the Republican (?) in the segment challenged this assertion.

The MSM/DNC put out these fake stories because they work! No matter that it's a lie, they just keep repeating it over and over, all day long.

It is very disturbing! I'm just hearing Kerry repeating this on the ABC radio news, with the announcer ominously leading that "this shows that things are going badly in Iraq."

How can we stop this insanity? Forget the terrorists - Our nation is being taken over from within!

#24 SCJ:

I Hope it really, really hurts.

Reminds me of the following, wonderful exchange with State Dept. spokesman Richard Boucher (as reported by the still-occasionally-lucid Andrew Sullivan):

QUESTION: Did you hear that Castro fell?

MR. BOUCHER: We heard that Castro fell. There are, I think, various reports that he broke a leg, an arm, a foot, and other things, and I'd guess you'd have to check with the Cubans to find out what's broken about Mr. Castro. We, obviously, have expressed our views about what's broken in Cuba.

QUESTION: Do you wish him a speedy recovery?

MR. BOUCHER: No.

BWAA-HAHAHAHA! I love it.

If someone can truck out 380 tons of explosive materiel before the arrival of U.S. forces, isn't conceivable that WMDs could have been trucked out too?

Jamie,

Of COURSE, Drudge is NEVER wrong...

(I smell flopsweat.)

It's REALLY starting to smell bad around here.

Next week will be unbearable... gas mask time.

OT (except there is only one topic)
CNN just showed the heavy voter turnout in Georgia's early voting with long lines accross the state and yet everyone is patient and polite. Wolf didn't make the obvious abservation that those were Republicans in the background. They didn't say a word about it being a conservative precinct, but you know they knew. A huge record turnout and landslide for Bush would be such a great victory for America and the world. Sorta like- "Hey terrorists. we're not afraid of you and we're not going to quit until you're dead".

I bet NBC is lamenting the fact that they had embedded reporters. The story would be SO much better without any annoying eye-witnesses.

I recall that the administration eagerly supported the use of embedded journalists to protect themselves from false claims of war atrocities.

Turns out it was a good move.

I can hardly wait for this generation of Left Wing scum
to die off. My hope is they havn't infected or bred many new ones.

Rush is a tornado today, and the MSM are stranded without cover. Blow, wind ,blow!

OT (refers to responsible journalism)

The always great Jeff Jacoby has a cutting piece on Kerry's new-found religiosity.

Voters will have to judge for themselves whether Kerry's newly prominent religiosity is genuine or merely a facade adopted for political purposes. Those political purposes are certainly compelling - according to an August poll by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, 85 percent of Americans say religion is important in their lives and 72 percent say it is important to them that a president have strong religious beliefs.

But there is something wrong, it seems to me, with Kerry's glib equation of higher public spending and more lavish government programs with fulfilling one's religious obligations. He cited Matthew 25:40 - ''Whatever you do to the least of these, you do unto me'' - and interpreted it to mean that ''the ethical test of a good society is how it treats its most vulnerable members.'' That would be a reasonable understanding if Kerry had meant that each of us individually is called upon to reach out to those in need.

But Kerry immediately turned Jesus' admonition into little more than a call for expanding the welfare state and increasing government regulation. ''That's why we have to raise the minimum wage, ensure equal pay, and finish the job of welfare reform,'' he said. He quoted an earlier verse in Matthew (''I was hungry and you fed me; thirsty and you gave me a drink'') and read it to mean that America must ''take action now to cut the cost of energy so that already overburdened seniors in the colder parts of our country can afford heat in the winter.''

I'm not an expert on Christian thought, but it seems unlikely to me that Jesus was taking a position on minimum wage laws or energy conservation when he called on his followers to do more for ''the least of these.'' When James said that faith without works is dead, he wasn't urging politicians to spend taxpayers' money. Jesus and James were insisting that the true measure of a man's compassion lies in how much he gives of himself - how deeply he reaches into his own pocket, how generously he gives of his own time, to help the troubled and the weak.

As it happens, I have picked this particular bone with Kerry before. During his Senate reelection campaign in 1996, I wrote a column contrasting his denunciation of Republican greed and heartlessness with his own record of charitable giving. During the previous six years, it turned out, Kerry had given less than $5,000 to charity - a minuscule seven-10ths of 1 percent of his gross income for the period. In some years he had given nothing at all; in others, his charitable donations added up to only a few hundred dollars.

Occasional Reader (#29),

Memogate II--Explosive Boogaloo!

LOL!

Within a week the wingnuts will be claiming that Karl Rove engineered the whole thing.

They are seemingly dumb enough to fall for just about anything they can use as a smear against Bush, it's too bad we thought they would at least have the common sense not to publish outright lies again.

We could have been sending them all kinds of good dirt.

#30 efuseakay 
Thanks for the suggestion but my workplace blocks iTunes streams, which is why I asked about WMP. I'd love to listen to Rush during lunch today.

I hope that after the re-election the White House pulls CBS' credentials.

Just shut them the fuck out.

Same for the NY Times. Somebody has to make them pay for this shit.

Rush just played a clip from the second presidential debate October 8th in St. Louis. Kerry makes a comment that Bush didn't even send enough troops to guard the ammo dumps. Ammo dumps that held explosives that are now killing our troops.

Interesting comment and timing don't you think?

#6, efuseakay

Revenge for the US criticizing him for totally missing the Libyan nuclear program.

To be fair, everyone seems to have missed the Libyan nuclear program. I guess they were all too distracted by Qaddafi's babe army of bodyguards...

(I was up too early this morning!)

#18 rosh

WOAI.com

There's a live stream at the top left of the page.

It'll probably never happen, but I would love for CBS's White House press pass to be pulled the day after GWB is re-elected. Then, let John Ashcroft appoint a "special prosecutor" to look into CBS's actitivies and "reporting" prior to the election, to determine if they violated the McCain-Feingold law by acting as an arm of the DNC and the Kerry campaign.

Of course, that special prosecutor should have unlimited funds, and be able to draw on the resources of any investigative or law enforcement body in the US.

40 breadfan- NBC are TV reporters first. They care even more about ratings, and showing up the competition (CBS and big print) than electing Kerry. NBC wil give the story legs.
I'm waiting to see what Rove's October surprise is. I bet that will have real evidence. Should be out Saturday evening, I think.

I don't know, but seems like the "unguarded art work" story ought to be resurrected next.

October surprise? How about October MSM implosion.

This is the media version of total war. They no longer care about objectivity or ethics or maintaining their reputations. They have risked everything, and will do anything to defeat President Bush. If they were merely donating money or encouraging people to vote for Kerry or publicly broadcasting their allegiance, they's be opponents of the Bush administration and those that support it. However, by repeatedly using their positions of trust to lie and sabotage the American election, they have become enemies of America. Pre-election bombers without the body count. The objective is the same; to swing the vote in a certain way by any means necessary.

You won't find too many stronger advocates of free press and free expressions than me. However, what certain people at CBS and the times and some other media outlets have done and are doing goes well beyond "free press." In fact, their actions are a desecration of the ideals of a free and open press that the First Amendment is meant to protect and they need to be exposed and publicly vilified and it needs to happen right now, because you better believe they have more journalistic terrorism in mind, whether or not the stories that they will broadcast days and hours before the election ever actually happened.

#49 RIP Ford 
yesss. thank you

Charles

RUSH , just connected an interesting dot on the Explosives Story

He replayed JFnK's answer to a 30 sec rebuttal during the Oct 8th Charlei Gibson hosted debate. Kerry wanders into the Weapons issue, and sounds to clearly elude to GIs being killed by unsecured weapons, weapons form 'that' dump.

10/8 Kerry knew???
CBS and NYT say they learned of this last Wed.

This is a Dem planted story, and the NYT and CBS have been played.

I am no polygraph expert, but listen to Kerry discuss this issue. His voice fades and he cuts short is tone, cuz his brain is screaming at him...no,no,no...this is not the time for this...not yet!!!

Time to get the daily recycler and the transcript and tie this all together.

RUSH is all over it...Let's get the bastards!!!

#4

They are more like the poor naive Eloi.

Next MSM headline:

BUSH CRUSHES BUG UNDER SHOE IN 2002!

They're getting desperate...

#41 Road Rage

This generation of left wing loonies die off? Unfortunately, they are reproducing! They control the Social Indoctrination Centers, er, public schools.

They no longer teach standard US history. They teach that the US has been and is an evil force in the world, primarily due to Judeo-Christianity, which is the evil philosophy behind America's selfish, greedy, xenophobic, hateful, policies.

That is what they are teaching future generations. And then they really close the deal when the kids get to college! Meanwhile, the kids are watching MTV, which derides the evil and especially the evil Bush US 24 hours a day, and listening to rappers who tell kids that the best way to stop the evil US is to kill Bush.

It's getting to the point that it will soon just be too late.

The only thing missing will be the viewers!

#54 rosh

Not a problem, I'm just glad to be of some use. :P

Well, if Drudge says it, you know it must be true.

Face it guys, this happened on shrub's watch and there were warnings and they were arrogantly ignored. But no one ever makes mistakes in this administration and no one's ever wrong, so the buck will be passed all around, and silly excuses and even lies will be doled out. Luckily, the polls show the voters now understand this and are tired of it. Very, very tired.

Rush is ripping the MSM for yet another foul on President Bush. Did anyone else hear Dan Blathers lead skreed attempting to blame the old weapons gon missing story last night?

I almsot cracked up when Blather said "...tons of ULTRA-HIGH explosives are missing".

"Ultra-High explosives" missing? Thats worse than normal run of the mill high explosives.

Guess what? If the Ultra-High explosives are missing, that means WMD could ALSO be missing.

Blather, and the NYT's are really beneath contempt. I cant think of a word lower than low...perhaps ÜLTRA low scum describes them.

Turn on Rush! He is talking about this and it is explosive! He is dissecting each point of the CBS involvement and how Kerry and his campaign are major players in this to destroy Bush's campaign! He said this is huge! HE IS ON FIRE!!

The only things on fire at Rush's place are

1) His BBQ

2) His prescription pad

;)

Off topic, something I did this morning for laffs.

OT [Link: worldnetdaily.com...]

We need to support our fellow Americans and speak out clearly against the UN.

These wonderful people are standing up in protest against the UN and everyone who loves this Country should stand up with them.

65 bluetick

Excellent. Send it to Drudge, hopefully for the day after!

Rartbert: 'If someone can truck out 380 tons of explosive materiel before the arrival of U.S. forces, isn't conceivable that WMDs could have been trucked out too? '

If the Iraqis could truck out 380 tons of explosive material without being detected by the NRO, in the weeks leading up to the invasion when every satellite and spyplane was watching (and remember, we had full air superiority) then what would that tell you about our intelligence gathering? This was one of the main bases and had to be watched 24/7. Also, ask yourself, why would it be important to Saddam to move the high explosives -- which were not actual weapons in the usual sense. You have to either give him credit for imagining the whole insurgency and the 'need' for bomb-material (IED) or what? It just doesn't make any sense. It is far more likely the material was removed in the three weeks *after* the war started, removed piecemeal by looters. Since the US wasn't' expecting an insurgency, this wouldn't have been anticipated as a problem by the war planners. The fact is, the stuff is missing, in terrorist hands, and that is very very bad news for the world. Its enough to keep blowing up things for many years. And the 'dual-use' (nuclear) nature of the material should have mandated it being secured. Doesn't matter how much you spin this, it was a screw up. A big one.

Can anyone explain just how and why the IAEA is involved?

Isn't it the International Atomic Energy Agency?

I thought Saddam didn't have any WMDs?

Media bias?

What media bias?

RUSH -
[Link: www.kfi640.com...]

VIACOM - CBS - MTV - INFINITY ..

This is one big company with an extreme anti-BUSH agenda

Janet jackson, FCC, howard stern ...

Astute Observations are back.

Oy.

#62 a stupid observer:

So, the fact that explosives were moved BEFORE U.S. TROOPS WERE IN IRAQ is Bush's fault because it was "on his watch?" If Saddam murdered a few hundred people in 2001, that's also Bush's fault, because it was "on his watch," right? Should have gone in there earlier, right? And the earthquake in Japan was Bush's fault because, after all, it was "on his watch." There were warnings? That Saddam planned to move some explosives in his country? When? And what should the administration have done about it?

I'll tell you what we, and the voters, are tired of. A media that hates Bush more than they love their country and that psychotic portion of the population, which you seem to be a part of, that has been so completely and irreversably damaged by Bush Derangement Syndrome that you are now entirely allergic to logic, facts and even the concept of honesty where it conflicts with your hatred.

to: Maine's Michael:

Well, like it or not, Rush is on fire! The NYT and Rather were in such a scramble to destroy Bush that they, once again, exposed their true selves to the masses. And Rush is eviscerating the story as well as Rather and NYT.

And, it takes a very low person to make fun of someone's struggle with addiction. You, Michael, are not immune fro the law of the universe: You reap what you sow. Karma will catch up to you sooner or later.

#45... hmmm bummer... I am not sure where he is offering up a Windows Media stream... :(

I wish the NYT was missing...permanently!

If I were a guerilla "looter" and I was planning such an operation from a military standpoint, here's what the task would require:

[b]Assumptions: [/b]
-Each "looter" could haul comfortably about 25 pounds per trip to a truck. (of course after 12 hours that would require superhuman endurance)
-I'd allow 5 minutes per round trip to the truck
-Work day 12 hours
-assume security breaks down 1 week after war starts (that allows 2 weeks before the US troops arrive)
-each pickup truck can carry about 1/4 ton of explosives (I did a quick calculation based upon the dimensions and weight of a block of C-4 and the dimensions of an average small pickup) and it takes 15 minutes to either load or unload the truck.
-the secure hiding place for 380 tons of explosives is 30 minutes away.
[b]Calculations:[/b]
-380 tons / [((12hrs/dayX60min/hr) / (5 min per load)) X (25 lbs per load) X 14 days] = 15 loaders X 2 = 30 loaders/unloaders
-30 loaders/unloaders times 200% for breaks, rest, inefficiency, etc. = 60 loaders and unloaders.
-380 tons / [(12hrs/day / 1 hr/round trip,load,unload) X (.25 tons per trip) X 14 days] = 10 trucks and drivers X 1.5 (contigency) = 15 trucks and drivers.
-4 trucks + 10-15 men to supply water, food and other logistical requirements
[b]Total = 19-20 trucks, 90 men working continuously for two weeks to "loot" facility[/b]
Bottom line this operation would take the resources of AN ENTIRE COMPANY (approx. 100 men) OVER TWO WEEKS, good Intel to know exactly where the "right" explosives were hidden and a means of breaching huge steal doors and concrete of an ASP.

CPT Ian Dodgson, USAR (Ret.)

Memo

To: CBS

As we say in the south:

When you find yourself in a hole, it's time to stop digging.

It's not time to pull CBS's press credentials - I think it's time for Bush to hold a national prime-time news conference, go over the material in detail - and announce the formation of a blue-ribbon panel to draft a Truth in Media Act. And make it the cornerstone of the second term.

The First Amendment protects opinion, but anything claimed to be news traditionally falls under the libel laws. And it's time to bring those back with a vengeance.

Either way, the simple holding of the press conference, and the discussion of the media bias, would break Kerry's political backbone. He could NOT recover.

ass-toot observing

light a match...blow yourself out of here...

#62 you troll!!!

Your guy plants the story, it gets discedited in less than 12 hours, runs with it for 2 days...and you fell good about it???

If your guy wins this country will be worse off than when Jimmy 'wimpy,misery' Carter was President.

Nice foriegn policy by headline...think of all the budget money Kerry can save, he can disband the CIA and use Al Jazerra, CNN, CBS and NYT to tell him exactly whats happening in the world.

Move to the heartland and away from the coasts, cuz jihad smell weakness like sharks smell blood in the water, and they will not quit until we quit...and Kerry is the quitter jihad wants.

Kerry "I will defend this country like I did as a young man"...exactly...talk and look tough for 4 months and then sell out to our enemies

Losers!!!

I am pissed!!!

#43

Yes, the traditional Christian thought (as I understand it) is for the individual to do charitable work. Give your money and time to worthy causes.

The left (including left wing Protestant churches) have twisted this into saying we need to have high taxes and let a government bureaucracy decide how the money is spent.

That is why the left says Conservatives are greedy and uncaring. The LLL is clueless about the amount of money and volunteer work conservatives due for charitable organizations.

CBS = Can't Be Serious

So CBS has tried to unseat a sitting President TWICE and nothing has been done? When will they pay for this?

To antiquebob #75

Good response to Maine's Michael !

#64 - jealous much?

I think we can expect CBS to come out with something else the day before the election. It may well be completely made up (probably will be), but if the timing's right, they'll do their damage. Why not something along the lines of "Bush Uses Illegal Aliens to Run Brothel in Lincoln Bedroom" or "Evil Bush Lures Innocent Children into Gingerbread White House and Eats Them"?

Since CBS' credibility is shot, they might as well take advantage of the situation... they've got nothing left to lose, so why not give their candidate a helping hand?

If anyone is going to lead a coordinated attack on CBS, politically or by class action lawsuits as consumers of CBS news fraud, please consider me to be ready, willing and able to volunteer.

377 Tons of high explosives missing!

Over 100,000 tons destroyed. Over 100,000 tons
under guard. Just about as significant as a glass
of water missing from a large barrel. Why aren't they
screaming about the potential of about 15,000
Russian Nuclear Warheads lying around the former
USSR?

#68, Elwin:

It is far more likely the material was removed in the three weeks *after* the war started, removed piecemeal by looters.

Bwahaha! Somebody do the math here!

How much can each "looter" carry? How many "looters" are required to move 380 tons of explosives in three weeks, working night and day?
Assume first the method of storage to be standard barrels which must be transferred to some smaller container in order to...

Oh hell! We've already established it would take something like 40 semi-trailer trucks to haul this stuff off. How many pickup trucks? Assume a typical 1/2 ton pickup...

#78, sapper

Thank for the math. I knew someone would!

In the same manner as Democrats legal actions that put Sinclair broadcasting stocks in a tumble, someone should instigate legal action against the New York Times.

Maybe include Dan Rather as he's eagerly jumped into this story as well. Hasn't learned much from his last gaff!

Anyone know how to do this?

Now is a good time to remember the long years of work by RatherBiased.com and the more recent work by Rathergate.com. Let's also watch for their take on it as this shakes out. They deserve it.

#49 RIP Ford

Do drop me a note. Hell, EVERYBODY in San Antonio: How about a get together? Say, a celebration on Wed, 3 Nov, mayhaps? Maybe we can try to get SGTSTRYKER's "SGT Mom" to come, too? (and DO see the post she put up last night!)

I think we're all going to find out shortly, just what kind of country we are living in. . .

and it ain't gonna be pretty.

As for my family, we're as ready as we can be.
Election night, and the weeks after it are going to be a horrible mess if the leftists have their way. Kerry, Democrats, and terrorists - all out to destroy your America.
Don't let them take it. Defend Liberty. If we must, if we should be forced to do so, we must fight for the America that we've grown up with, not that one that the leftists are trying to create. You liberals want to rule by force? Move to CHINA.
Our watchwords, our battle cry, our motto should be...

YOU WILL NOT DESTROY AMERICA!

Thank God for Rush, the LGF bloggers, and for other alternate news networks. Can you imagine if we were still having to rely only on the alphabet stations!!

God help us if Kerry ekes out a win!

Now the Good News : Zarqawi aid killed in Fallujah

#78 Sapper:

So, the idea that the weapons were mover not by looters but by the Iraqi army is out of the question? And you're assuming that Iraq has neither forklifts nor large trucks. Two weeks? Given the right equipment (about a dozen tractor trailers and some forklifts) 380 tons of explosives could have been moved in a matter of days, if not hours and transported to virtually anywhere.

#69 Geepers  10/26/2004 09:53AM PST
 

Can anyone explain just how and why the IAEA is involved?

HMX and RDX can be used to trigger a nuke.

#62 Jack-ass-tute observer

Why don't you shut your pie hole and go steal some Bush-Cheney signs.

#78 Sapper

Good job.

You know, if 380 tons of explosives could be removed on the eve of the war, why should we not beleive that much smaller amounts of anthrax, VX or other WMD could not have been removed from other locations as well?

Kerry's Pamphleteer - the NYT according to McCarthy at NR. He makes a good case that the Times is digging faster to catch up with CBS on this one.

Let's all put our money together and buy a TV station.

If people doing this are that stupid, how hard can it be?

What cuffin MORONS!

#94 Ranten.N.Raven

Check your email.

Vester on Day Side about it.

RIGHT NOW

Fox is finally reporting the about the fake weapons story. It's Topic One on Dayside with Linda Vester.

Right now she is showing a clip of Kerry this am in Wisconsin blathering about how George bush lost these dangerous weapons!

What's sad is that we have to just sit and wait for bs MSM stories like this to come out and then have to dispute them.

It would be nice for a freakin change if we could throw out some stories preemptively, too. LGF is doing yeoman's work, but where the heck is the Wash Times, NYPost, WSJ or Foxnews, fercrissakes?

rosh (#99),

HMX and RDX can be used to trigger a nuke.

So let me get this straight, the IAEA tells Saddam he can keep 380 tons of the most powerful explosive, explosives so powerful they can be used as a trigger for nuclear reaction, and they safeguarded it with little wires with wax seals?

Boy do I feel better now.

#98, Jheka:

Saddam's army probably did move it, which is the point of the argument. Sapper was demonstrating how difficult it would be for hypothetical "looters" to have run off with it all.

And if you hypothesize semi-trailer trucks and forklifts, you're talking about a bit more well-funded looting, sort of like the trucks that hauled off all that hard currency from the Iraqi central bank shortly before the invasion...

Dar ul Harb (91):

You have no idea how spot on that observation is.

While hubby was in Baghdad they drove up that hill Saddam built and discovered...

A marble toilet a looter had tried to take from the palace and abandoned as too heavy. I have pictures of him sitting on it (what IS it with men and poo humor?).

#95 Owl

YOU WILL NOT DESTROY AMERICA

Bravo! This present period reminds me, as a student of history (I was not, like Reagan, actually there), of the 1850's, leading up to the Civil War. People are that divided, and it is intensely emotional.

The left is absolutely determined to take control, and then watch out! They will smother us all with their Marxist, anti-western doctrine.

That is why the left is determined to disarm the right. The armed right may soon be the only thing standing in the way of a Marxist takeover from within in America.

Everybody - please E-mail CBS with this simple message:

"fuck you "

CBS is just an extension of the DNC. or Rather -The evil left wing arm of the DNC... Pathetic.

I'm not the least bit surprised by this.

The Clintons still run the Democratic party and they're still driving it into the ground with their old corrupt tactics.

After all the state houses they've lost, after all the governorships they've lost, after all the seats in the U.S. Congress they've lost - the Democrats still haven't learned.

After they lose this election will they finally get rid of Terry McAuliffe and reshape their party?

#108 Geepers

Well, they were going to safeguard it with velvet ropes, but they didn't want to use overkill.

several bits of discussion on this on kerryspot at nro:
LOTS MORE INFO ABOUT HDX , INTERVIEW WITH AN MSNBC PRODUCER both blow wholes in the L3 arguments about looters removing the explosives... the individual who wrote "info about hdx" seems highly knowledgeable, although perhaps reaganite (if he's around) could sound off on that.

#109 Dar ul Harb,

Thank you.

To my doubters: Mind you, that this "looting" either organized by the Regime or by a highly motivated company of "looters" was supposed to have been done DURING THE WAR when we were bombing the crap out of these facilities. You don't think our air force might have noticed a continuous loading and unloading operation with forklifts and 5 ton trucks or 90 "looters" working 14 days straight? Logic dictates this stuff was moved before the war or blowed up real good.

#107 Paul in Va

Well, yesterday the WaTimes broke the story that Kerry LIED about meeting with the Security Council in his "careful deliberations" deciding how to vote on the Iraq resolution.

And for what? This fake NYT story swept over the country like a tsunami, and totally buried the KERRY LIED (again) story - and noone cares anyway. Everyone knows that Kerry is a liar. Noone is voting FOR him; only against Bush.

Kerry made comment about missing explosives in the firest debat on October 8, 2004. A questions now arise:
Sen. Kerry, What did you know about this story and
when did you know about it?

110 militarybrat
if you saw some of the conditions under which bodily functions are performed when troops are in the field, you'd understand the joy of finding a marble "throne"!

frequently, conditions are such that porta-pottis seem like luxurious conditions by comparison.

AAARRRGGG: Preview first :(

116 sapper
from the kerryspot

A key point is that this is not dense stuff, where you can get a lot of weight into a small vehicle. If this was really in its raw form, it is white powder, like cornstarch or a light powdered sugar (NOT granulated sugar). Blow on it and it flies in the breeze- the stories I've seen haven't said much about what form it was in, but you would want it to be relatively raw so you could form it into main charges for artillery, etc. They don't pour granules into shells, it is mixed with binders and melted sonit will take a shape. You can't be a nice terrorist, happen by, stick some in your pocket, and run away while the US Army isn't looking- it isn't "plastic" (like, say, comp C4, which is a plastic matrix impregnated with HE, thus has a lot of filler to make it shapeable). The kinds of trucks you would need to haul it are like grain hoppers, and lots of them. You can't stack it on pallets.

looters my hind foot!

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

FOXNews.com is still running the story of 400 tons of explosives missing.

It is discouraging that Fox is not checking out their news sources before posting stories that are designed to destroy the leadership of President George Bush.

Kerry is sticking to his false story even today when it has become apparent to all that the story is a fraud.

The Democrats are doomed by this... now the only secret weapon they have left is VOTER FRAUD! We all need to be beware!VOTER FRAUD

#65 bluetick

Regarding your "Off topic, something I did this morning for laffs." - - nice job.

Sure would like to see what you could do with an image of Kerry with his "pants on fire" - - no caption would be required.

Thanks.

I never thought I'd thank the NYT for anything, but I'm glad they ran this "story" yesterday, thereby preempting the CBS story which would have aired 2 days before the election & giving the Bush campaign time to respond. Thanks, NYT! I'll no longer use your fine paper for lining my birdcage!

Renna (#114),

[IAEA rent-a-guard]

"Excuse me. Excuse me, sir. Could you step back from the high explosives. Thank you."

The reliable sources at Al Jazeera, CBS affiliate in the Muslim world, will report on the eve of Election day that, the Saddam's WMD, are hidden in Bill & Hillary Clinton's back yard.

Democratic National Committee has issued a preemptive statement, accusing the Karl Rove of fraudulently transporting the weapons by an uninspected cargo to a Democrat stronghold in hopes of terrorizing the Democrat population and suppressing the vote.

Dan Rather has hired Saddam Husseing as a consultant, in his upcoming investigative report about the recent Republican terrorist plan. "69" minutes will broadcast air its investigative report live to all pollings stations in America and France.

#123

Somwhere (Drudge?) has a story on certain counties in Ohio were there are more registered voters then there are adults 18 or older.

Of course, this is the state where the representative of the NAACP gave crack cocaine to someone for bringing in fake voter registration cards. Oh wait, CBS news hasn't reported that story so I geuss it didn't happen.

I just called the NY Times around 1:30 EST at (212) 556-1234 . Went through menu and arrived at a live person on the International News desk.

I asked if they were going to post a promiment retraction of their "missing explosives in Iraq" story.

The International News Desk guy said "They are sticking by their story based on the facts they have."

Weren't there LLL threats to sue Sinclair Broadcasting for showing the ex-POW's testimony?

LAWSUIT TIME

against the NY Times

Don't know if its been mentioned, but the Today show with Lauer and Russert is playing the story as if true and opining what a bad day it was for Bush, yada yada. Not a single word that their network news Department has a contrary point of view. Bizzare. Russert, by the way, is in the fever swamp, with a paniced look in his eye.

Neither the NY Times or CBS News care about their credibilty or impartiality with respect to the election. For them its war, and they'll print or televise any lie which will hurt Bush, whether its lies about a draft, voter intimidation, the TANG or missing explosives, or whatever they come up with tomorrow (and expect a new/lie story every day for the next week).

They believe they're fighting the good fight and they know their core readers/viewers agree with this and will believe any lie about Bush. So the whole exercise is to find the right story that will sink Bush, so they're throwing everything out there and hoping one sticks.

#117 antiquebob

Unfortunately, that's true. Even if we do come up with Kerry lies and other stories, the MSM ignores it and we're back where we started.

So now it's up to the few outlets we have and enough of the voters to see through the bs and bias. Here's hoping that's enough.

redstate.org has some added some complications to the complications; look for the story "What did 3ID EN BDE find?"
[Link: www.redstate.org...]

Everything taking the stage this final week is contrived expressly for the amusement of the 47 undecideds still left in the electorate: the 47 most oblivious, clueless, and rabbit-brained voters in American. Keep that in mind while the Kerry clowns go through their tricks, and remember to laugh.

Now the MSM is attacking Bush about the flu shortages.

As soon as I turn on CNN there is always some anti-Bush story running.

Drudge is wrong when he implies that the NY Times beat 60 Minutes to the story. As the below quote from the NY Times.com shoes, they were both working together on the story:

This article was reported in cooperation with the CBS News program "60 Minutes.'' "60 Minutes" first obtained information on the missing explosives. The New York Times article was reported and written by Times reporters in Baghdad, Europe and Washington.

See: 60 Minutes was in on it too!

FOX is not only running the story (which is by the AP), but their news poll is, Will the discovery of missing explosives in Iraq affect the outcome of the election? Yes No Don't Know !!!

What is the email contact address for Fox? I can't find it on the site.

119 sgt tom:

I heard those MRE boxes were more valuable than gold.

But that begs the questions - what do you do with the box AFTER?

Maybe if Bush gave the UN inspectors more time to do their jobs, there would have been nothing dangerous left, and Saddam wouldn't have been a problem to anyone.

/sarcasm>

Is it possible that after Nov. 2004, Kerry and his ilk can be persuaded to get on the boat and just Leave for Vietnam, or Brussels, or Geneva ?

The Massachusetts loyalists, or tories, were citizens who in thought, word, or deed recognized and preferred British rule to home rule. Due to their support for the crown, many of these men and women left permanently for Canada or other places. Others remained in Massachusetts during the war or chose to return after the Revolution. The database includes information on 1,705 loyalists.

#130 Pat

Yes - saw it on Today this morning and I was screaming at the TV. I did notice how wild-eyed Russert looked as well. His hair was soaking wet all over...

99 rosh
#69 Geepers 10/26/2004 09:53AM PST
Can anyone explain just how and why the IAEA is involved?
HMX and RDX can be used to trigger a nuke.

As can any number of highly energetic explosives. And by itself RDX is not the optimum solution. The detonator for the Nagasaki weapon (a plutonium implosion bomb) was Composition B, a mixture of RDX, TNT and a wax binder. The fact that RDX can be used in a nuclear weapon detonator does not mean that it is the only thing that can do the trick.

From the current Fox News website:

FOX VIEWER VOTE
380 Tons of Explosives Missing in Iraq — Will there be ramifications at the polls on November 2nd?
Yes
No
Undecided

Has Fox been Ratherized??

foxnewsonline@foxnews.com

comments@foxnews.com

Militarybrat, honey, there are some "mysteries" about the male species which are better left... mysterious! ;)

Rush just mentioned the CSPAN clip from last night where Kerry in congressional questioning wanted our military to operate under the authority of the UN.

That was for the 1st Gulf war. That had total UN approval. Which he opposed, anyway.

138 military brat

mre's are packed funny... there is a large cardboard sleeve that slips over the length of the carton... slide off the sleeve, and you have... a potential seat!?!
:)
a little soldier ingenuity goes a long way!

145 lazytart:

LMAO!!!

#78 Sapper  10/26/2004 09:59AM PST

 Nice work on that post.

Thanks, Bush Babe!

foxnewsonline@foxnews.com

comments@foxnews.com

Something tells me there is another missing pregnant woman story in the works to divert attention from the missing explosives.

Just what did Kerry know on October 8, 2004?

The president did not do what was necessary. Didn't bring in enough nation. Didn't deliver the help. Didn't close off the borders. Didn't even guard the ammo dumps. And now our kids are being killed with ammos right out of that dump.

THis is going to be a looon week friends.

Kerry is stumping all day with "this is just the tip of the iceberg" comments. He knows something. Ill bet the NY Times and CBS do too.

Theres more coming.

WOnder what it is?

OT but fun - Ohio's Sec of State has banned all "international observers" from state polling places. Says it is a violation of Ohio law. Go team!

Maybe the missing explosives are with the WMDs.

I learned my lesson when questioning my redneck deer/duck hunting husband about the toilet paper roll I found in his Tahoe.

However, I must say, it did come in handy one time when we were stuck in a parking lot in Daytona, FL, following a NASCAR race for over four hours... I had a few beers, OK???

;)

OT but still relevant about Kerry's anti-war activities.
[Link: wnd.com...]

Here's a picture I hope you find amusing (with apologies to Mr. Dali)

sgt tom,

When he was here, reaganite and I started talking about the good old days, when MRE's came with cigarettes. ;-)

Kerrys got an ad coming out tommorow with the ammo dump charges against Bush.

shameless

One of the trolls earlier (names don't matter - they all have the same talking points) wanted to know why the intell 'failed' to notice Saddam moving these explosives, thereby 'proving' that it had to be taken by looters. Well, I don't know if there is any intell on what went on at this site, but I know there's satellite imagery showing convoys going to Syria in Nov. and Dec. of 2002. The reason they weren't bombed is because some REMFs DID explode muntions in '91 - sarin. And some 91,000 troops are believed to have been exposed to low-level sarin gas - which is now believed to be the cause, in connection with genetic susceptibility, of Gulf War syndrome.
On other words, you can't just 'bomb' the crap out of bio and chem weapons.

unbelievable, kerry is making a campaign ad out of this LIE
[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

Hey, if I buy one share of viacom stock, do I get to file a shareholder lawsuit against them?

cathy :-)

Now taking bets on how long it will take the NY Times to fold its hand.

It took Dan Blathergate a week or so.

How long will it take the NYT to cave on its nihilistic lies?

[Link: www.jrnyquist.com...]
Rather than letting the facts speak for themselves, "lawyering" the truth is the main characteristic of Nihilism, there being no absolute truth, nor, need I add, good or evil. Thus the end justifies the means, and if another hundred million have to be killed in this century in order to bring about the SOC-COM Utopia, so what?!

Drudge reporting that the DNC is planning ad campaign around the missing explosives. Little surprise there -- no doubt the ads are already in the can, having been first coordinated with CBS as to content and timing.

Time for the GOP to unleash a hardhitting add detailing the attempts of CBS and the NYT to lie and smear the President. The GOP needs to cut off MSM credibility at the knees now -- they have been the author of their own undoing. They intend to lie, smear and deceive right through November 2, so Bush should absolutely be neutering their impact today.

CBS and NYT are treasonous, come out in say it. What, is saying it going to make them lie less about the GOP?

New bumper sticker:

John Kerry: More Positions than the Kama Sutra

#162 rightwingnutt -- "unbelievable, kerry is making a campaign ad out of this LIE "

5 gets you 10, that this add was already produced and waiting to be released in coordination with the MSM's revealing of it. The MSM is a multibillion dollar illegal campaign contribution to the Democrats.

159 geepers
since i don't smoke, i always managed to pull a swap for things more enjoyable... however, if i recall best, mre's (which come as a plastic pouch) never had cigarettes... you're thinking of k-rats? the precursor to mre's.

military meals have done quite an evolution... the tray-rations and ugr's are hard to distinguish from decent restaurant food.

Got this the other day from a true geezer. :-)

___

While cleaning out my mother's barn I found an old Royal Crown Cola bottle. In the bottle top was a
stopper with a bunch of holes in it. I knew immediately what it was,
but my daughter had no idea. She thought they had tried to make it a salt
shaker or something. I knew it as the bottle that sat on the end of
the ironing board to "sprinkle" clothes with because we didn't have steam
irons. Man, I am old.
How many do you remember?
Head lights dimmer switches on the floor.
Ignition switches on the dashboard.
Heaters mounted on the inside of the fire wall.
Real ice boxes.
Pant leg clips for bicycles without chain guards.
Soldering irons you heat on a gas burner.
Using hand signals for cars without turn signals.
If you remember most of these you are eligible to take the following quiz

Older Than Dirt Quiz: Count all the ones that you remember not the
ones you were told about
Ratings at the bottom.
1. Blackjack chewing gum
2. Wax Coke-shaped bottles with colored sugar water
3. Candy cigarettes
4. Soda pop machines that dispensed glass bottles
5. Coffee shops or diners with tableside juke boxes
6. Home milk delivery in glass bottles with cardboard stoppers
7. Party lines
8. Newsreels before the movie
9. P.F. Flyers
10. Butch wax
11. Telephone numbers with a word prefix (Olive-6933)
12. Peashooters
13. Howdy Doody you can tell how old this since it wont pass the spell check
14. 45 RPM records
15. S&H Green Stamps
16. Hi-fi's
17. Metal ice trays with lever
18. Mimeograph paper
19. Blue flashbulb
20. Packard's
21. Roller skate keys
22. Cork popguns
23. Drive-ins
24. Studebakers--here's another one
25. Wash tub wringers
If you remembered 0-5 = You're still young
If you remembered 6-10 = You are getting older
If you remembered 11-15 = Don't tell your age,
If you remembered 16-25 = You're older than dirt!
you're not only older than dirt you're a full fledged GEEZER!!!

#152 TMF

Theres more coming. Wonder what it is?

Rush just reported that that McAwful & Friends are already putting together TV ads on this issue to be shown in battleground states this week!

What these DNC scumbags will do is incredible...

It will be interesting to see what Brit Hume says tonight on FOX.

GWB for 4 more years!!!

#162 Right Wing Nutt

I deep does this sh** pile go!!!

#33 jtt

Except I feel Gephardt is a lying son of a b... in the same vane as Clinton. I always had to the leave the room when his face appeared on TV (actually, the voice and what he said, did it).

I agree that Lieberman is a different story. I'd like to hear a bit more from him these days. I guess he subscribes to the "If you can't say something good about him (JFK - ralph>>) don't say anything at all."

The MSM has no intent in the disappearing explosive story in being real news. They are targeting a voting bloc who will be influenced by the story, and who will not fact check through other sources. They will get away with this ruse. Drudge and LGF will expose the fraud, but only to those who care. What a shame.

The maddening thing about it all is that the MSM can get away with reporting news this way. This is a straight-up effort to influence the election. "All the news that is fit to print" is a nice slogan, but the NYTimes drops their principles like a hot potatoe (sic) when an election is a stake.

Interesting that the name of the ammo dump is Al-Qaqaa (pronounded "caca") as in Spanish for poop. I hereby proclaim and name this latest See BS scandal as "caca-gate", or perhaps "caca-fuego-gate".

huck

sgt tom,

you're thinking of k-rats?

That's right. My uncle used to bring them as lunches when we went fishing.

Some of the cans had 1950's dates on them. I hear the new one's last even longer. ;-)

169 geepers
not only do i pass that test alarmingly well... my lionel electric train set (which i still have, in very good condition) came with little cardboard billboards... one of them said "car of the year - packard"!
how's that for bein' an old guy?

and prior to howdy doody, there was winky-dink... any memories jogged out there?

#163 CathyF

Better hurry. You have to own it during one of their willful Frauds. Only 7 days to go.

Bobbi for Bush here. I am rather a novice bloggerette but am already hopelessly addicted. Does anyone know the best way to send a scathing E-mail to to the New York Times ? I couldn't find a link that would let me in.

VIRGINIAN FOR BUSH!

Im suffering from CBSDS

CBS Derangement Syndrome

I hate them more than I dispise John F'n Kerry right now. I wrote then a nasty letter, but Im still feeling sick. Any remedies out there?

(#36) O.R.

A rare moment of usefullness from Mr. Boucher.

Rare - but very, very funny.

Re: #169

Since I remember ALL of those things I think that I should win a prize. Of course I'd probably forget where I put it 8^(

Re back on topic

Help me out here folks but didn't Jeff Fager admit to a conspiracy with his "our plan" quote? It's obvious that CBS and NYT were collaborating on this "revelation" aka smear attack. And I've seen mention of Joe Lochardt involved with this, too.

Sounds to me like a full blown MSM + DNC conspiracy to lie. Where's Rico when you need him?

Bush doesn't hardly need to do a thing these days. This just shows you that all of Kerry's vaunted media supporters are going to pull off a "Jonestown" and commit mass sucide by shooting themselves in the head with stupidity!

It is just about impossible to believe that CBS would try to pull off another stunt like this. And I used to think that they had smart people working there. God was I stupid to believe that.

This election will go down in history as the one when the mass media became irrelevant.

What next, a CBS report calling for the assassination of George Bush? Sounds stupid? Don't bet that they aren't biased (and stupid) enough to join Brooker and try that too!

175 geepers
the new ones (mre's) are very impressive.
they come in amazing menus, and have been soldier-tested and fine-tuned...
it's good stuff, but still has that "mre" taste... anyone who's eaten one knows what i'm talking about.

#153 East Bay

Ohio's Sec of State is Republican

Otherwise you would have Libyan Syrian and Sudanese observers in Ohio.

havoc

Hes also black which is pretty funny in light of the Dems charges there is racial motivated voter intimidation

my lionel electric train set (which i still have, in very good condition)

CBS reminds me a little of when Lionel trains tried to show that there really were trains that ran on tracks with three rails.

186 piglet
my lionel runs on 3 tracks...
doesn't everyone's?
:)

If the Iraqis could truck out 380 tons of explosive material without being detected by the NRO, in the weeks leading up to the invasion when every satellite and spyplane was watching (and remember, we had full air superiority) then what would that tell you about our intelligence gathering?

Well, you moron, what do you think Powell was showing in those pictures in his dog-and-pony show at the UN? Just because you are an idiot who wasn't paying attention to our intelligence showing Saddam trucking stuff out of the country doesn't mean that our intelligence services weren't paying attention.

cathy :-)

What, no Wham-O-Birds? I don't remember winky-dink, never saw a cork popgun or the pant clips (we'd use clothespins).

169 Geepers..

Hey there. I got 21 right and I'm only 40. Older than dirt?? Must've been written by a 30 something.

Hi bobbilee,

Every last damn NY Times eMail Address you could ever possibly want

Kick some ass!

RE #78

'Each "looter" could haul comfortably about 25 pounds per trip to ..."

Good grief, where can I join the looters union???

Back when I was a nail banger we routinely schlepped 50 to 60 pounds of shingles up a 20 ft ladder all day.

Then there were the 50 to 100 pound bails of hay and feed sacks my WIFE schlepped around her riding stable all day.

I think your estimates are off by a factor of 2 or 3 easily. Of course there also might have been a handtruck or two to help, ya know.

In case you were too dim to realize it, Charles, this is a different story from the fake memos. CBS trying to find out the truth is still "digging a hole?" Perhaps you want them to just show a picture of GWB with the Hallelujah Chorus playing in the background during news broadcasts?

You've turned into such a stooge, Charles. It's really pathetic.

The last week of the campaign and all the loony stuff comes out. Ridiculous assertions, unbalanced lunatics spouting awful smears. Commercials in bad taste.

OTOH, it is fun to watch Rather do his impression of Wile E. Coyote.

#62 ass toot observer --- You are obviously out of your league here. Please go back to watching farts.

Thank You Geepers #191 - I will make you proud !

189 LC LaWedgie
winky dink was both a product and a tv program (sound familiar? ahead of it's time)...
you buy this drawing set with a plastic sheet... place the plastic sheet over the tv screen, and draw along with winky dink...
got cancelled because too many kids were drawing on the screen without buying the drawing set (and plastic sheet to protect the tv screen)... can you imagine the parental outrage!

#108 Geepers

rosh (#99),

HMX and RDX can be used to trigger a nuke.

So let me get this straight, the IAEA tells Saddam he can keep 380 tons of the most powerful explosive, explosives so powerful they can be used as a trigger for nuclear reaction, and they safeguarded it with little wires with wax seals?

Boy do I feel better now.

Just remember, the schtooopid cowboy Bush rushed off to war in Iraq even though The Inspections were workiiinnnggg...

cathy :-)

200 ph

you vile insect

watch out there... you're going to give insects a complex... butterflies are all probably very sad to hear this...
why not pick something lower on the chain, like pond scum!

Would anyone like to gather and file a class action lawsuit against the Times or CBS for purposly trying to sway an election?

why not pick something lower on the chain, like pond scum!

My cat threw up something on my pants that was more creative, thought-provoking, and appealing than Gordo.

Is it just me or does Rush sound kind of panicky today?

Now would be a good time to have all the "Bush Lied" bumper stickers recalled.

song_and_dance_man (#196),

Oh my. LMAO.

#137 antiquebob

If FOX does not turn from the direction they are heading, I will simply put them in the toilet bowl with NBC,CBS,ABC,CNN etc. and just focus my attention to the reliable news I get from the Internet.

I just sent this to CBS news:

I am dumbfounded at your latest attempt to influence the election against Bush. You really planned to run a year-and-a-half-old, dubious, and grossly exaggerated story as an exclusive the night before the election; after you are already under fire for the fake memos and shoddy testimony you offered in your last Bush hit-piece? If I had been told of this last week I would have scoffed and replied that no one could possibly be that stupid, biased, or incompetent.

It seems that even from a business standpoint you would be tired of NBC exposing your frauds and exaggerations the day after you air your "reports".

The American public can only come to three conclusions from all this: your producers are either profoundly incompetent, blatantly prejudiced, or just plain stupid. Which is it?

You have achieved one thing however. Your news organization has become a complete joke among half of the American population, a joke that they will not forget when the election is over. Are you so biased that you are unaware of how your organization is viewed by most Americans now? It only took you four months to completely tear down everything CBS news has stood for over the past 50 years. Congratulations!

#203
Is that even possible?

#193 - gordon:

Not entirely true- CBS decided to sit on the story while the Times went ahead. Testing the waters as it were. Maybe CBS was doing additional fact checking, but what's the proof behind that assertion? There's nothing so far to show that CBS was doing any fact checking but instead embargoing its story until it would run on October 31. Only your hope that this is the case.

One simply has to look at CBS News track record on fact checking to know that they are not doing a good job of fact checking and vetting stories - and that no one was suspended, demoted, or fired over Rathergate so far shows that the news division is not concerned with facts but only with scooping everyone else - even if the scoop is bogus.

They obtained this story last Wednesday, which gave the Times and CBS less than a week to fact check this one. The Times went ahead and ran it - which was full of caveats buried deep - which essentially state that they don't have a timeframe of when these explosives went off the reservation. But the header and successive reporting doesn't play up that fact, instead focusing on the 'missing 380.'

Gordon says:

this is a different story from the fake memos.

Ya know, where would we be without Gordon to ferret out the facts?

I wish I could believe that the MSM would retract and correct, but television shows *never* correct or retract. I've discovered this on very simple things. I've noted things that were wrong on my local news channel that they never corrected. I called in and pointed out the error, and never heard anything again. How do you think you could make CBS retract anything? The only reason why they did it kicking and screaming for the TANG memos is because the entire Internet was arrayed against them and could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the memos were fake.

Unless there is some very specific evidence that can demostrate the falsity of this charge, they won't back down. That's going to be harder in this case because it will depend on individual recall. NBC has already buried their dude's report.

I so want a Bush blow-out it isn't even funny.

-vxbush

#187 sgt tom

I was an "American Flyer" ( 2 rail) basement railroader - none of that 3 rail BS for me !!

The theme song in part"...you and me and Winkie Dink".

Those were the days !

Officially Attained "Geezer" status.

Good grief, where can I join the looters union???

Keep in mind these "looters" are the poor Iraqis who've been starved due to the sanctions and theft from the "Oil For Fraud" program all these years.

They can't carry as much as your typical Teamster... ;)

211 geepers

Gordon says:

this is a different story from the fake memos

Ya know, where would we be without Gordon to ferret out the facts

more like "overstate the bloody obvious"!

#192

Alanc, have you ever done military planning? You don't base your estimates on what the strongest man in your unit can carry under ideal conditions. If you do, you're sure to be off by a factor of 2-3.

My estimate says each man is going to move 25 tons and work 12 hour days for 14 straight days. That's a lot.

You're entitled to your own opinion. If I were given this task, I'd assign a company to it.

For all the hoopla, I don't think this is going to have much effect towards the election for the simple reason things like this are only "reinforcement" propaganda for the Bush-haters who are going to vote Kerry whatever happens. Tells me the Dems are worried about their base more than anything else.

I'm actually starting to feel bad for CBS =(

Dan Rather News-Remix...

213 leftover54

yeeah, but my engine weighed so much, it was practically a weapon... i clunked my little brother in the head with it once (and got the tar whaled out of me for it too).

those were simple days.

life was a lot safer (except for duck and cover)

Anyone else unable to get to RightWingNews

lol!! See-BS now reporting:

US: No Explosives When GIs Arrived

The Pentagon said Monday that invading U.S. troops did not find explosives at an Iraqi site where hundreds of tons of bomb-making material were once stored.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

OK NYT... now it's your turn...
Bwahahahah

#192

You're also making the assumption that this operation is so well planned and running so perfectly in a combat zone, that there are no breaks between the trucks and everything is perfectly timed. Real life just don't work that way. I am comfortable with my numbers. I used to be a platoon leader, a company XO, a BN and BDE staff officer. I've done a lot of military planning.

#124 RWW 
Thanks for the idea...here's a shot of the ole liar, liar himself.

#198 sgt tom -
Remember a kit to put plastic over the TV and write on it, but sure don't remember Winki. We didn't have all three networks, so it could have been that, or they just didn't carry it.

Does this mean that Saddam was a threat?

Did you hear the one about the October DUD?

I actually took the time to e-mail a complaint to the advertisers about RatherGate, asking them how they can spend their advertising budgets with piece of shit organizations like CBS and ViaCom. I then told them I would boycott any products that I knew were advertised on their stations.

I received 2 responses from Proctor & Gamble and AT&T with the same crap: "...blah, blah, blah. we advertiser in a number of media outlets. we realize that our advertising does not constitute endorsement of their programming. blah, blah, blah."

I wish just once that the media would actually be held responsible for this shit.

Any idea where I can find a list of companies/products that advertise on CBS? I would love to start a boycott.

#220 sgt tom -
And it was fun putting tinsel across the track during the holidays, turning up the transformer and watching it melt - it was made from lead back then.

According to a 2003 CNN story the site was a supposed WMD site.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

If somebody took off with 380 tons of explosives, they clearly had a change to remove the WMDs as well.

This might just help Bush (once the bloggers fact check the mainstream media).

My liberal friends (northern california) are all in a lather about the missing explosives story, and you can't talk sense to them. If you try, they move away from you. They are so convinced that the only reason we are in a war is because the evil Bush started it all for politics. For this ignorance I think we can thank NPR, Pacifica Radio (especially), and the NYT, which has several newspaper boxes in my town. I feel pretty isolated.

Hmmm link on drudge says that the John's are planning on running an ad based on the missing explosives. How the hell can they sleep at night knowing damn well that we dont know when these weapons disappeared.

I hope Bush runs a counter ad with Kerry quotes saying these weapons dont exist, and Iraq wasnt a threat way back when...then quote him saying well they did exist and Bush failed to contain them...what a f'ing phoney political opportunist.

#144 bush's babe

Thanks for the information below is my e-mail to both FOX addresses.

TO FOX:

"Publishing stories that turn out to be proven Fraud (400 tons of explosives missing ) by LGF (Little Green Footballs) within hours, just like the CBS Rathergate Forged Documents, demonstrates FOX News can be just the useful propaganda outlet to brainwash it's readers and viewers as that of CBS.

If FOX does not change, then I will change FOX."

Sincerely,

*** ***
Disabled American Veteran

from the story linked to in #222

60 Minutes Correspondent Ed Bradley reports the U.N. says it warned the U.S. government the munitions site might be looted shortly after the invasion

Of course it might be looted you UN a**holes, because you and your damned IAEA inspectors left and gave them the opportunity to do it!!! IDIOTS!!!

229 lc lawedgie
i fondly remember the leadfoil icicles we had for our christmas tree for years... you could hold a strand by one end and give it a flick and it would land way up at the top of the tree (10' ceilings)!

that was in the days when cbs news was a reputable news org... and war correspondents were not liars.

#153 scott in east bay

That is Great news. Thanks

#193 Nordog

Same stink. Different turd. This one is just fresher than the Rathergate mess.

You are so obtuse.

#211 Geepers - Ya know, where would we be without Gordon to ferret out the facts?

It's a sad day for poor Gordon - story debunked, connections being made AGAIN to c-bs, Kerry about to hit the airwaves with an ad based on falsehoods that everyone now actually KNOWS about...poor Gordon.
Perhaps we should say something nice about him? You know, like "What great shoes you're wearing!" or "It's good you never pick your nose in public - so refined!" or something!

233 blackhorse

let 'em have it pal!

#142

Composition B is nothing exotic. It's been the
standard filler for mortar and artillery HE projo's
for at least the past sixty years. It's also quite
stable, requiring a large fuze and an even larger
supplementary charge to detonate even a 105mm
shell.

#232

I saw Kerry's new ad via Drudge. It is pretty weak. He tries to look serious and presidental yet he doesn't realize he has too much makeup on his face.

I too was an American Flyer two rail engineer. 4-6-2 Pacific steam locomotive.

Just thought of something. How does the IAEA "seal" a weapons site? Anybody know?

Count the lies in this LA Times:

THE CONFLICT IN IRAQ
White House Downplays Missing Iraq Explosives
By Mark Mazzetti and Maggie Farley
WASHINGTON — The White House acknowledged Monday that nearly 380 tons of powerful explosives were missing from a weapons facility that American forces failed to guard after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, raising fears that the munitions could be given to militants or used for attacks against troops in Iraq.

#243 vxbush

"DO NOT CROSS" TAPE AND A WAX SEAL. =)

#233 Blackhorse
Good letter! Wow, yours was nicer AND meaner all at once! I like it! :o)

Okay mine from earlier today -

The word came out yesterday on Drudge - referring to a report by NBC - and National Review Online and dozens of OTHER sources that debunked the "Missing Explosives" story, and yet here it is a day later and you STILL haven't changed your website?
What's up with that? You need to pay closer attention to what is going in CURRENT headlines. Otherwise, what precisely is the point in HAVING a "news" website? Mighta as well call it an "olds" website.

Jeez, I used to think Peter Jennings was the furthest to the Left, now it is obviously Dan Rather and CBS. Is there any ranking order for truthful reporting, clearly after Fox, on the rest of the networks? Is Fox the only halfway reliable news source the old way?

This story is as outrageous as the Rathergate affair that has now been shamefully swept under the rug until after the election.

Boycotts are hard to pull off but very effective when done correctly. We could pick out just one company and boycott their product. I think something that is high volume, cheap, and easily substitutable such as fast food or household goods would work best. The effect of a boycott on those items would be felt quicker than big ticket items, like automobiles, that people only buy intermittently.

If we can be successful with just one company the others will fall in line quickly. SeeBS will then be forced to either reform themselves or wither on the vine and die.

Any suggestions on what product we could boycott? I don't watch SeeBS that much and I can't recall any products that are advertised on their network.

I actually emailed FOXnews today...they claimed they were going to show some of Bush's speech, but they never did, but then two different times I looked, they were giving kerry's traitorous ass play time, even breaking in when Ashton Kutchner was speaking on his behalf...what a crock!!!

Fox news is getting real weak...even O'Reilley goes so far out of his way to be "balanced" he dosnt take "stands" anymore...

Am I the only one to notice, or am I just paranoid???

#168

I'm thinking you mean "C" rations not "K" rations.

"C's" were in vogue during Vietnam and had cigs
and fruit.

"K's" were WWII and Korea vintage.

Ask any Vietnam vet about "Ham and Moth**f***s"
(Ham and Lima Beans, which was replaced by
Spaghetti and Meatballs after 1968). The last
meal in the box was ALWAYS H&MF's.

Thank God for the web and Bloggers and Drudge to expose this crap!! I loath these media elites! Where is the TV footage of Kerry pissing on and burning a U.S. flag?!

I heard it was out there from one of his Senate campaigns. A TV station in Massachussets has it, we need it now! Lets beat these bastards at there own game!!!

If you participate much in the stock market--and I guess this is true in some gambling occupations--you see the Dan Rather personality often. These are the people who actually contribute greatly to the markets, by providing them with liquidity, money. They satisfy themselves with the thought that they have unique insights that give them an edge over everyone else, and they are willing to back up that confidence with their money. The belief typically lasts longer than the money, and when a losing trade is put on, it is not infrequent that good money is thrown after bad. Traders like this may survive for awhile, but inevitably, they succumb to their own stubborn peristence, and ignornce of the reality that surrounds them. The final blow is something like doubling up on the losing bet, and market delivers its ultimate medicine, taking the trader out since the trader no longer has the wherewithal to strategically step back from his losing trade. And these are smart, smart people--often too smart for their own good. Their set of rationalizations and command of the facts leads them to beleive they are way ahead of the pack; their intelligence is typically linked to their demise--they lack humility, and respect for the larger market forces. Dan, you are there. The market is going to take you out. The ride up is slow and steady, filled with backing and filling, but look at any crash--it is swift, the velocity is high, the endpoint is usually way, way below the humblest of beginnings. Dan, it is obvious to others around you, more obvious to the market you deal in. You're through--next?

Everyone, watch this.

It's beautifully edited and produced:

Sum up of the relevant points in the Dan Rather 60 minutes story on the Bush National Guard piece on CBS

via the DRUNK report

Gord-on is really a Drog in disguise, I found his website

everyone should vote NO Drog...just say NO DROG

Vote NO DROG HERE

#249 Tats66

No, I've noticed it, too. O'Reilly has lost his edge -- probably trying to sweeten the jury pool for his upcoming lawsuit.

#249 Tats66 -

Fox news is getting real weak...even O'Reilley goes so far out of his way to be "balanced" he dosnt take "stands" anymore...Am I the only one to notice, or am I just paranoid???

Nope - you're not paranoid. I've been watching O'Reilly, who seems to have developed a nasty case of Conservative Shame, go SO far out of his way to reassure everyone that he was "fair and balanced" that he became incapable of just telling things straight. It was weird.
So, you're a conservative! Big deal! Get over it!
The lefties certainly have no such shame.

Wow. This is the downside of Kerry's media strategy of jumping on every negative news report the same day.

He looks like a reactionary idiot every time a story turns out to be full of holes.

The dems are wildly looking under every stone and blade of grass for something... anything... to help them win, and they are none too picky about what they'll use, or even invent.

That CBS is in bed with them is disgusting.

To Ojoe :

Take heart and stay online. You will find reassurance here.

This post is for all the gloom and doomers that were on here Sunday night saying the UN story wouldn't matter. I know that you're really dispirited by the MSM, but you have to keep faith, there's bigger forces at work.

The WaTimes were about to launch a devastating pre-emptive strike at the MSM, and the blogs were on fire about what that piece would be, thereby forcing the NYTimes to to counterstrike to prevent the UN story from gaining roots and becoming the story on Monday morning.
It had no choice but release the missing weapons story early. Problem is, the only way it would've worked was if it had come out right beforre the election leaving no time for the truth.
Now it is beginning to blow up in their face and once all the dots have been connected the end result will be much more damage to Kerry than just "one more lie" he's told to throw on top of the pile

#204 Furious J:

"Is it just me or does Rush sound kind of panicky today?"

Adverse polling data and Oxycontin tend to have that effect on him...

I agree with you about Fox news. Remember it was they who brought out the DUI about Bush the Thursday before the 2000 election.

C Rations

C Rations

Re: 217

First let me just say that I don't think that looters had anything to do with this.

Second why posit manual labor at all. Saddam's factories were certainly equipped with fork lifts and all kinds of mechanical aids to bulk movement of material.

In any case your estimate of 25 lbs per man per trip is rather silly (or not if you're a teamster). How much weight is a standard issue grunt supposed to carry all the time? Isn't it about 40 lbs in the pack?

I have moved, manually, large quantities of building materials in concert with other folk and 25 lbs per trip would get you laughed off the job. Your estimate sounds like some of the software development estimates I've done over the years. Lots of bidding room built in.

This operation wasn't a contract out to let. The Sodomites had to move the shit fast and they could have moved the whole thing a few days.

#246 monkeyweather
#239 Sgt Tom

Thanks

#221:
"Anyone else unable to get to RightWingNews"

Their server in Sandpoint, Idaho was toppled by the winds of truth.

Maybe someone already posted this point, but SEE-BS was the organization that decided that they did not want to give the results of the Rathergate investigation before the election because it might "affect the outcome" of the election. And now this, coming out less than 48 hrs before the election. If that is not attempting to "affect the outcome" I don't know what is!!!

#246 monkeyweather

I liked you letter as well. Excellent. If we keep hammering FOX with our disproval, maybe it will cause them to reevaluate what they are putting out to the public.

We can hope anyway.

PLEASE tell me that Rove and the RNC arent sitting still for this...they gotta hit back HARD!!!

amazingly, the dems already have an ad ready to roll criticizing Bush for allowing the exploses to disappear on his guard. see drudge. The collusion between the msm and the Kerry campaign is, I think, totally unprecedented. It's the classic case of the ends justifies the means. "It is clear that Bush is an imbecile. The fact that slightly more than half the US supports him just proves that they are imbeciles. So for their sake and ours, we should take every possible action, no matter how dishonest, to make sure that he loses. In fact, cheating is a great meritorious act because we are doing it to save civilization." But you'll ask, "Isn't this country supposed to be a representative democracy where even imbeciles like us have an equal say?" The answer is... no.

Charles,
Someone took a dump at number 193.

250 barzilla
since i was not a partaker of the canned delicacies, i never saw much of them...
and had the "luck" to have my first assignment in 25th id when they were field testing mre's... so the canned goodies bypassed me, but beef patties are another story...
(sorry for the long delay in reply... had something come up)

I got worried about O'Reilly... it must have been close to a year ago... when he started saying stuff like, "If they don't find WMD in Iraq soon, I'm going to be very ANGRY at Bush," ...or some such nonesense.

Anyway, what really drives O'Reilly is his desire to keep his ratings up.

He did do a very good interview with Bush.

#256

Agreed on O'Reilly, but last night went out of his way to mock Kerry for not coming on The Factor. IMO, it's clear that he's voting for Bush.

He got 2 of sKerry's "handlers" last night to say he wouldn't change his mind on Desert Storm in '91, even after learning that 5000 Kuwait women were raped by Saddam's boys.

Part 2 of the questions tonight looks at his Senate record. Should be entertaining to say the least.

Where is the TV footage of Kerry pissing on and burning a U.S. flag?!

There is no such footage. That story was debunked weeks ago.

# 116 Sapper

Logic dictates this stuff was moved before the war or blowed up real good.

I still favor 'the guy who supposed to buy the stuff ran off with the money instead' theory.

Deadly C-4!?

Is this for real or is someone pulling my leg?

With this type of stove only half a Trioxin heat tab was needed to heat the meal and then the other half could be used to heat water for coffee or cocoa. A small chunk of C-4 explosive could also be substituted for the Trioxin tablet for faster heating. It would burn hotter and was much better for heating water.

"The nineteenth-century Scottish historian Thomas Carlyle spoke of a "Fourth Estate" which has come to mean the role of the media in government as a watchdog".

The press as the vanguard of democracy the 'Watchdog" of a republic, has come to an end.

Now they are are becoming the destroyers of our nation and a subversive force wrenching America up from its very roots.

Its up to us bastards to take up arms.

Bastard Sons of the Fourth Estate

Kerry continues to bury himself with the army, with the soldiers on the ground. By running with this ammo dump story, he is not only accusing the Bush admin but the generals, the sergeants, the soldiers who would have been guarding this ammo dump if there was any ammo in the dump. He is accusing them of gross, irresponsible negligence.

And it's all a lie, so he's LYING about the troops again. "In a manner reminescent of Ghengis Kahn, American troops failed to secure ammo dumps that were later used in terrorist attacks..."

Dear God, why is this man even competitive in this race. It's disgusting that people are so willing to swallow his garbage. I won't blame the soldiers if they all quit on Kerry, I wouldn't take a command from that POS.

Rush Limbaugh hypothesised today that Kery had advance knowledge of the NYT canard based on the fact that he was talking about "unguarded ammo dumps" in the October 8 debate. That is strong circumstantial evidence, but no proof.

Here's the actual proof that Kerry knew: During the first debate on September 30, Kerry repeatedly talked about Bush's failure to guard "nuclear facilities".
Some had wondered back then what he meant by that. Now we know. Kerry had advance knowledge of this story, at least as far back as September 30.

At first I was surprised that Kerry should have dropped his guard like this during the first debate but now its clear tha he was simply setting up his October surprise, in cooperation with the NYT and CBS.
What he didn't expect was for bloggers to connect the dots.

262 geepers
combat rations