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Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 3:17:17 pm PDT

Reuters says: Bush Campaign Acknowledges Ad Was Doctored.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush’s campaign acknowledged on Thursday that a television ad depicting soldiers listening to Bush speak had been doctored so that some of the faces of the soldiers appear more than once.

Released five days before Election Day, the ad was called, “Whatever It Takes” and had been touted by Bush advisers as a personal message from the president talking about the war on terror.

It depicts Bush talking of his meetings with family members of fallen soldiers and saying the “hardest decision” he faced was the one to send soldiers into battle.

It then shows clips of people apparently listening to the president, including a crowd of soldiers. But some of the faces appear more than once in the image, which flashes across the screen as Bush vows to “never relent in defending America, whatever it takes.” ...

The Kerry campaign said it was an example of the Bush administration’s dishonesty.

“Now we know why this ad is named ‘Whatever It Takes,”’ Kerry campaign senior adviser Joe Lockhart said in a statement. “This administration has always had a problem telling the truth from Iraq to jobs to healthcare.”

DOCTORED?

Excuse me for shouting, but this is the kind of nonsense that just makes me want to scream.

Here’s the ad in question: Whatever It Takes. Watch it. Reuters says “some of the faces appear more than once,” but in fact there is only one scene of a veteran looking into space that is repeated as part of a montage at the end of the ad.

This is called editing, and it is obviously the same person. To call this “doctored” is a gross misrepresentation. Reuters should be ashamed. But of course, they’re not; this is just another attempt to throw more garbage up against the wall and hope some of it sticks. We’re going to see more and more outrageous examples of this kind of distorted, blatantly dishonest reporting in the next five days.

UPDATE at 10/28/04 3:48:06 pm:

More details in this AP story, revealing that this brouhaha is even more ridiculous than it first appeared: Bush Campaign to Recut Doctored Ad. They weren’t talking about the veteran who appears twice, after all. They’re referring to a crowd scene that was altered to remove an image of Bush, again as part of a montage that was very obviously a multi-scene overlay.

This is a gigantic tempest in the world’s smallest teacup.

The photo of Bush addressing a group of soldiers was edited to remove both the president and the podium where he was standing. A group of soldiers in the crowd was electronically copied to fill in the space, aides say.

“There was no need to do that,” said Mark McKinnon, head of Bush’s advertising team who shouldered the blame. “Everyone technically works for me so I accept the responsibility.”

The original photograph shows a sea of soldiers sitting behind the president as he stands at a podium just left of the center of the frame.

UPDATE at 10/28/04 4:07:03 pm:

What a shocka! This mind-bendingly trivial story comes from the poison pen of Markos “Screw Them” Zuniga.

I do enjoy the image of him poring over the video frame by frame with a microscope, though.

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1 FlyingTigress  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:18:47pm

G_ddamnitall... I can't wait until the sh_t is over with.

2 scaramouche  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:19:58pm

Fahrenheit 9/11 was doctored, too. I never saw the MSM getting too hot and bothered about that "surgery".

3 d_on_a_palehorse  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:20:24pm

Al Rueters and the rest of the MSM have already been discredited.

W wins next week, thanks MSM. We were never fooled

4 levi from queens  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:20:49pm

Way OT

when I call up lgf, a site called s18.sitemeter.com takes over my computer for a little while. 3 secs on this thread, a minute or more on the ABC thread. When I put the URL up top, I get:

Directory Listing Denied
This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.

Does anybody know if I should be upset with this?

5 TMF  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:22:05pm

There is no such thing as news anymore. Its deader than dead

6 Dianna  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:22:33pm

This is not a surprise, but I am so tired of it.

7 thinkingmom  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:23:08pm

This is the moral equivalent of falsely accusing your fellow soldiers of atrocities, isn't it, Gordon?

8 Earth56  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:24:10pm

Charles:

If you could,next time leave a link to Reuters or any other trash organization so we could all send them our regards.

JDB

9 Charles  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:24:13pm

levi from queens: that's the SiteMeter statistics counter. I added this to LGF recently, to augment my own stats package, and I've noticed that Sitemeter has been very slow to load lately. Nothing to worry about.

10 Doss  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:24:19pm

Reuters:Reporting Dishonestly :: The Sun:Rising in the West

11 G.Galvan  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:24:39pm

Once it is all finally over I hope that the rest of you will join me in my hope and prayer that George Soros, Michael Moore, John Kerry, John Edwards, Terry McA, and all the other *&^heads who have caused me so many sleepless nights either deport themselves to Iraq for a nice visit with their beloved "insurgents" or just choose to join Al Gore in his padded room.

12 goldie3213  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:24:39pm

OT sorry so early, but did anyone see the video on fox? There is something very odd about a terrorist speaking english and it really looked like a set up

13 Robert Crawford  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:25:15pm

I hear they edited the footage of the wolves, too.

Thankfully, the Kerry campaign hasn't done this: A different John Kerry appears in EVERY SHOT in EVERY AD they've made.

14 Doss  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:26:01pm

Ummm...make that...
Reuters:Reporting Dishonestly :: The Sun:Rising in the East

15 G.Galvan  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:26:45pm

they don't have to "doctor" Kerry ads, there is a different Kerry for everyone.

16 DarthBrooks  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:28:36pm

By Sunday evening, CBS will be broadcasting a 60 Minutes story about how GWB is actually a robot monster with Hitler's reanimated brain, Cheney is making cannon shells out of preschoolers, Kerry's discovered a cure for Alzheimer's, and Condoleeza Rice is having an affair with Dale Earnhart, Jr.

17 Smit  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:29:25pm

OT -Michael Moore has just called for both candidates to declare that the winner will be whoever wins the popular vote.

Sidney Blumenthal just said African Americans were denied the right to vote in 2000 in Florida.

This is ridiculous.

18 jrdroll  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:29:26pm

Did al Reuters worry about "doctored" Bush National Guard documents?

crickets chirping...

19 daver  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:29:46pm

According to another article I read someplace, the "doctored" scene is the 0.7 second shot of the military crowd.

It sounds like the original shot included Bush at a podium, taken from behind Bush, with the crowd in front of him.

For the ad, they removed Bush and the podium and copied part of the crowd to fill the space where Bush and the podium were removed from, so that the final version shows only the crowd.

This is grasping at straws on the Kerry campaign's part. How does the change affect the meaning of the ad? It doesn't. Does the change increase the apparent size of the crowd? No. Does it result in a falsehood? Not in the least.

Was there any tanning oil used? No...Kerry already has gone that route.

20 sgt tom  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:29:47pm

to quote sylvester (the cat)
"i hates meeces to pieces"

in reality, i have removed most of the msm from my life... foxnews hangs on by a thread. i will jump to internet wire services feeds long before i would catch the network news.

several years ago i severed my landline and went totally wireless phone.
now i guess the next step is a complete removal of television from my life. i suspect bill gates will smile.

and the networks can go the way of the horse and buggy.

21 Catttt  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:30:18pm

editor.reuters@reuters.com

Let Reuters know what you think about this.

22 G.Galvan  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:30:24pm

Don't forget that John Edwards can raise the dead.

23 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:30:40pm
24 Doss  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:31:28pm

OT: ABC is going to show the Terror Tape in a few minutes, says Drudge.

25 mommydoc  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:31:35pm

Actually, apparently they did doctor it a little. According to reports, they cut him and the podium out and filled the space in with more soldiers, some of whom supposedly appear twice in the same frame, sort of like that doctored photo that we analyzed a year or so ago here (can't recall anymore if it was in Afghanistan or Iraq). But not a big deal; the crowd of soldiers was far larger than the video actually indicated.

And, in point of fact, Bush was actually there. It's not like it was some Walter Mitty moment involving a magic hat.

Is this the best Kos can come up with?

/rhetorical question, since apparently so.

26 TMF  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:32:21pm

#12 goldie

AGREED. However- the CIA/FBI have been in full blown CYA mode since 9-11 and they authenticated it.

I truly doubt they would do that if unsure about it being genuine A.Q. material.

They already look incompetent due to 9-11, WMD, etc

27 DarthBrooks  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:32:56pm

#20 sgt tom.

Actually, it was Mr. Jinx who "hated meeces to pieces". on the Huckleberry Hound Show.

/nerd mode

28 Robert Crawford  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:33:18pm

OT -Michael Moore has just called for both candidates to declare that the winner will be whoever wins the popular vote.

Which shows the level of knowledge Moore has about how the President is elected.

It also makes me more certain Bush is going to win the popular vote. In 2000, at about this time, there were stories running about how Bush would get the popular vote, but Gore would win in the electoral college, and asking if Bush would admit his loss...

29 RKA  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:33:47pm

To paraphrase a current Senator from Mass.:

"I just want to say to Reuters', 'is that the best you've got?'"

30 G.Galvan  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:33:48pm

I guess the CIA never recovered from the day Stephen Segal left it back in Naaam.

Hey it's almost Friday

31 Veeshir  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:36:12pm

It's limbo time, how low can they go?

32 FlyingTigress  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:36:22pm

A purse full of Chuckee Cheese tokens and a couple of hours at a "Whack-a-Mole" game with the faces of prominent LLLs and/or MSM labels would be very therapeutic right now.

33 Dr. Sanity  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:37:02pm

Brit Hume just showed the picture in question from the video. There are repititions of people in the crowd. I don't know why this is a big deal, but the Bush Campaign says it was an "editing" mistake and will be corrected.

34 epg  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:37:10pm

Were it to be the Kerry campaign, the word would have been edited. They are shamelessly biased!

35 www.gunzilla.net  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:37:39pm

Reuters, the UN...they're all shills for Kerry. Seriously, you Americans need to realize how hostile the environment is. Count your blessings and go with Bush. You don't need Europe's approval. I'm from Europe and I can tell you it's a corrupt shithole, the people here are spoonfed socialist drivel 100% of the time. There is no way in hell that Europe will ever love or respect the US. Europe right now is trying to claw its way out the grave it dug for itself. The economy is down the drain and we lost total control over the immigrant masses that keep pouring into our countries. For every two workers there's one person sitting on his ass collecting benefits from the state, the European constitution is being shoved down our throats as is Turkey (no one wants that shitty country to become part of Europe) and we have France leading us deeper and deeper into the abyss, hand in hand with every terrorist and dictator imaginable. Our media is the worst, every single day they find something against George Bush. TV, newspapers, tv guides, anything is used as a propaganda tool against the US and Bush in particular. Americans, fuck Europe. Vote Bush.

36 G.Galvan  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:38:57pm

Bush Campaign Acknowledges Ad Was Doctored

The Kerry campaign said it was an example of the Bush administration’s dishonesty.

One of the key elements of being a habitual liar would be to not aknowledge the deception. At least that is what I would assume. When the Washington Times reports that Kerry lied about meeting with the UN the response is "chirping".

37 soccer4ever  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:39:11pm

I just can't believe they did this.

They should be more aware of the bloggers.

Great ad, hijacked by a stupid decision by some "editor"

38 hunter888  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:39:54pm

What a load of BS.

So its the same picture twice. BFD.

39 FrankNH  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:39:57pm

Brit Hume on FOX just showed the "doctored" photo. It is of the crowd with multiple pictures of some of the troops.

If this is all they've got to use to try and get Kerry elected, I'm afraid that they are going to be disappointed on November 3rd.

If the Swifties can get out what they are working feverishly to publicize, it's all over for the Dimocrats.

40 FlyingTigress  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:41:36pm
OT -Michael Moore has just called for both candidates to declare that the winner will be whoever wins the popular vote.

Which shows the level of knowledge Moore has about how the President is elected.

Hey, Michael Moore.. get in line! I got first dibs on amending the Constitution by personal fiat.

NOTE: I'm placing this power up for auction at eBay. Highest responsive bidder (no trolls or moonbats) above the 'reserve' may get it!

41 jayfen  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:41:39pm

I just heard Kerry on NBC news catigorically deny he's a Liberal. "I'm a liberal on some things, and I'm conservative on others" (paraphrase). He still thinks Bush is responsible for the missing explosives. Was the topic dishonesty?

42 Catttt  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:42:03pm

Geez, wonder where Reuter's is getting their news - this was thoroughly vetted on both sides (Kos and here) yesterday. YAWN.

43 G.Galvan  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:42:28pm

Speaking of the swifties and "Stolen Valor" , I never understood why at least one network has never been brave enough to set the record staight. I mean big time. I can't believe there would ever be a law suit because during a trial the truth would have to come out.

44 mean Gene  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:42:41pm

I'll be upset about this only if and when the leftist media starts telling us, "John Kerry is spending the weekend at (name one of his five mansions) for Botox and Collagen injections, color correcting and maybe a little sports."

45 imtoast  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:43:11pm

#11 GGalvin

Soro says he's going into monestary if Bush wins...so that's a start!

46 big L  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:43:40pm

#4 levi from queens--
I haven't been able to enter Lgf address in my bar this afternoon. I don't think it is lgf because the hour glass blnks on and off and the whole screen shakes like a leaf.
I did get some auto updates from microsoft so I'll blame that.

(fk al reuters)

47 G.Galvan  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:44:19pm

Yes, but I was hoping for somewher a little less safe. It's a start,,but

48 centaur  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:44:37pm

I saw it on Brit Hume a few minutes ago. Nothing there. It was editing -- replacing where Bush stood with more of the crowd, which in reality was much larger tha shown in the ad (doctored or otherwise). It has zero meaning to the content of the ad. Yet it is a story. I am so sick of this.

49 Queasy  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:45:27pm

OT - Two links to a Minneapolis news station with reports on the Al-Qaqaa facilities. The second shows bunkers with the IAEA seal on it. No confirmation of what was in the bunkers though. Geez this is just a weird story.
[Link: www.kstp.com...]
[Link: www.kstp.com...]

50 Luigi  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:45:51pm

Peter Jennings says only 25% believe "every vote will be counted." (As if every vote is ever counted -- once). CNN is now polling "Are you confident in the voting system in place in your precinct?" Well, guess what? 71% are confident in the voting system in place in their precinct.

51 pat  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:45:53pm

The story of Kerry's plagarism should see print in Reuters real soon, Right?

52 Beagle  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:45:56pm

George Bush must be the most honest president in history if this is a scandal. I miss Bubba. Did he bag any nurses while he was in hospital?

53 centaur  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:47:30pm

abc showing video now... allah willing blah blah blah

54 G.Galvan  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:47:40pm

Did he bag any nurses while he was in hospital?

Why do you think he looks so tired?

55 Melissa  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:48:36pm

I loved the Whatever It Takes commercial, but this one is much funnier. From the comments it has garnered at The Daily Recycler, it is also driving the lefties completely nuts (well, nuttier).

56 G.Galvan  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:48:43pm

Allah, like we're scared of a black rock buried under Mecca.

57 eXcel  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:48:43pm

Who gives a crap if its the same guy?

58 Charles  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:49:37pm

Did this moronic story originate at Daily Kos?

59 Golem Akbar  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:50:11pm

It's October. It's a surprise. It's a...no, never mind. Next!

60 the_casual_observer  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:50:23pm

OT (but not in the larger sense of this blog)

Charles,

Did you ever stop to consider the material you have on your servers for a book on media bias?

A couple of editors for a couple of days and a download of your threads over the last couple of months...and you're sitting on the NYT best sellers list. Now wouldn't that be ironic!

Secondly, if you want to grow your readership here, it might be useful to reach out to another medium to do so. A lot of people are not yet familiar with blogs, but a lot of people read books. You'd be reaching a tremendous potential new population.

Thirdly, you'll probably need to buy a few more cookie jars to stash all the cash.

Please consider it.

TCO

61 G.Galvan  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:50:24pm

Who gives a crap if its the same guy?

Remember "Integrity, Integrity, Integrity"

I have that seared-seared into my memory

62 Dave the.....  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:50:26pm
Sidney Blumenthal just said African Americans were denied the right to vote in 2000 in Florida.

So what we're to believe is that African Americans are too stupid to register to vote and then actually figure out how to vote? That is sooo racist.

63 mommydoc  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:51:34pm

daver (#19) Exactly. I almost think it's from when he came to visit the post I used to work at, although it's a different shot. I had more, but my computer crashed recently and I have to restore those files.

64 AG in Houston  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:53:29pm

Charles

At the bottom of the yahoo link you proided:

The issue was first mentioned on the liberal Web log [Link: www.dailykos.com...]
65 Chris L.  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:53:48pm

Adding the soldiers was a bit too tacky, and I don't think it was an editing mistake. On the other hand, it's Kos who is desperately trying to tilt windmill vanes, doing whatever it takes.

66 Buckaroo  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:54:07pm

# 58 Charles


Yep. Some dude spammed the last thread of yesterday really late w/ it -- Rayra fisked him IIRC ...

67 Ghost  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:54:19pm

What's funny is when you realize what they are doing in order to have spotted this. It means that they are going frame by frame through the Bush ads, with a microscope, looking for problems. How anal!

68 bunny rabid  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:54:34pm

OT:

The ABC broad cast of the terror tape was really disappointing. They barely played any audio. Mostly it was just the video with a voice over summarizing the message. The whole thing was burried in the middle of the news cast. I guess I should be happy they showed it at all.

Hopefully, now, someone else will get a hold of it so we can hear the terrorists weigh in on our election in their own words.

69 G.Galvan  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:54:48pm

Sidney Blumenthal just said African Americans were denied the right to vote in 2000 in Florida.

I remember that! There was a police car checking for speeders somewhat in the vicinity of the polling place. Since the "African Americans" were felons released on fulow under John F Kerry's get out the vote plann 2000 they were intimidated by the presence of law enforcement and turned around to find someone's fiance to rape.

70 Jheka  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:55:12pm

Actually, they're talking about the scene of the crowd of soldiers towards the end (3/4 or so) of the ad ... some of the faces repeat. It's unclear whether this is done to increase the apparent crowd size or to ad more "color" to the ad ... a sloppy and stupid thing to do.

71 N.A. PALM  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:55:36pm

HI ALL:

OT Check out Bill Gertz interview on the Micheal Savage show...apparently the russkies moved everything out of Iraq before the invasion. Including WMD. Enough said.

72 traveler  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:55:57pm

#54 G. Galvan

Did he bag any nurses while he was in hospital?

From Seinfeld: "It's 6:00, time for your spongebath!"

73 Jheka  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:57:26pm

Just read the update ... silly thing to do but perfectly reasonable explanation.

74 G.Galvan  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:57:29pm

Are you telling me to go home?

Good Idea. I'm sick of work anyway. Thanks for the advice.

75 centaur  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:58:01pm

We are at war.

Today, John Kerry in Wisconsin was introduced to the crowd by Bruce "born to run" Springstein.

Today, George W. Bush in Ohio was introduced to the crowd by General Tommy Franks.

At a time of war. Seriously. Think about it.

76 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:59:12pm

OT, but Great to pass on to any Wobblies. It's Jonathan Rosenblum, Oct. 27th edition of the JWR.

"The President's critics remain trapped by their own religion - what might be called the rationalist folly. "Rationalists" view all people as basically alike - each seeking to maximize his share of the desired goods. That model, however, cannot account for the power of religious belief, positive or negative. It must continue searching for the "real causes" of religious fanaticism - e.g., poverty, Israeli settlements. Since no rational human being seeks death, rationalists cannot comprehend societies that have elevated martyrdom to their highest value.

Teresa Heinz Kerry's sunny prescription for dealing with terrorists expresses the naïve optimism of rationalism: "The way we live in peace . . . is not by threatening people, is not by showing off your muscles. It's by listening, giving a hand, by being intelligent. . . " Yet expressions of understanding for Islamist terrorists and sympathy for the backwardness of Moslem societies only inspire the Islamists' contempt and further fuel their rage.

Attachment to old paradigms prevented John Kerry from comprehending the meaning of 9/11. "[It] didn't change me much at all," Kerry admits in a October 10 New York Times interview. " He simply placed Al Qaeda into the framework of international crime cartels, with which he was familiar as "a former law enforcement official." His goal, says Kerry, is a return to a pre-9/11 world in which terrorism was no more than a nuisance, like prostitution or illegal gambling.

Kerry's words fully capture the limits of the liberal imagination in the face of faith-driven terrorism. The analogy to crime syndicates is ludicrous. Drug lords may be bad guys, but they are also profit-seekers. Make their business unprofitable and you have defeated them. Not so, theologically-driven terrorists whose goals are unlimited and who do not mind dying to achieve them.

There can be no return to the illusions with which we lived prior to 9/11. Tens of thousands of potential Islamic terrorists, many already living in the West, have access to weapons capable of killing thousands. One or two successful terrorist attacks could plunge the world into depression and turn Western countries into security states.

Defensive measures and a law enforcement approach of rounding up the bad guys will not suffice. The United States has had no success stopping the flow across border of illegal drugs or immigrants, and will be no more able to interdict every terrorist or WMD. Only by taking the war to the terrorists and, in the long run, transforming the societies in which they breed can the West ultimately prevail.

President Bush's religious faith cannot dictate strategy or tactics in the struggle ahead, but, at least, it has helped him recognize the life and death nature of that struggle. Without that recognition no viable strategy can emerge."

Says it better than anyone I've read yet. In a NUTSHELL.

77 Catttt  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:59:20pm

65 Chris L.

They didn't add soldiers to plump up the crowd. They edited Bush, speaking at a podium, out in a small area, had a hole, and filled it with little soldier bites. There were actually more soldiers beyond the President.

78 Dave the.....  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:59:46pm

Which issue should decide the election:

WOT
Runaway health costs
2nd amendment rights
Abortion
Activist judges
A goofy edited campaign commercial

79 Crimsonfisted  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:59:50pm

I just watched the BBC program and the last guy who spoke was able to get in what Michael Moore has done to world opinion of America and what a slime ball he is and WHOOPS we are out of time! no rebuttal from the gasbag allowed. I really enjoyed that!

80 Soonerborn  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 1:59:59pm

OT

Charles Krautheimmer (sp?) on fox when Hume asked him what the Israelis are going to do about Arafish going to the hospital and letting him return. "Well hopefully the good Lord intervenes and he never comes back"

81 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:00:23pm
82 Michael Moore's Dromedary  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:01:19pm

A real honest-to-goodness "TNDT" if I've ever seen one.


/sound of popping cork

83 Tracer  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:01:30pm

#20 Sgt Tom

I am still watching PBS. Not because I like them, it is because they want me to pay for it! If I turn on more TV's and suck up more of their electrons will they go bankrupt?

Anyways, as far as the MSM goes - Turn Off Your Television!

84 Charles  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:01:57pm

How could this have been intended to make it look like the crowd was larger? The editor filled in the missing space where Bush originally stood; it's a pretty safe assumption that there were people there.

Stupid thing to do? Maybe. But welcome to the world of video editing, folks. This stuff is done all the time. The editor who put this ad together may have had no inkling that he was doing anything out of the ordinary.

This is the ultimate example of grasping at straws.

85 Blackeyed Pierce  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:02:27pm

Queasy

Get that from Kos, did ya?

86 Havoc  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:03:10pm

The "Daisy & Girl" commercial worked so well against Barry Goldwater, that "Fritz and T*ts" tried one against Reagan in 1984,

It showed an ICBM launch with the Ominous Bass Voiceover, "Can you reall trust Ronald Reagan's hand on the Nuclear Trigger ?"

The week before the election the commercial aired--It lasted 24 hours; seems the ICBM launch video footage was stolen from a copyrighted movie short by the "High Frontier" SDI think tank. "High Frontier" sued Mondale in Federal Court and he had to pull the ad.

History proved that Reagan Played poker better than Gorbachev at Rikovik, and Reagan went "All in" on his SDI chips. There are fewer missiles today, and fewer hair trigger targeted missiles, than in 1984.

Future Historians _ the honest ones _ will NOT be kind to Kerry, Edwards or McAwful. Bill Clinton is now immortalized by Jibjab.com

Fritz Mondale is considered a historical political clown today.

Kerry will one day also be laughed at in the Lunatic Politician Museum. Let's get out the vote in order that Kerry not be elevated to Jimmy Carteresque Levels of Incompetence.

87 JWarrior  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:03:11pm

Apparently Spiderman 2 was doctored as well to include those really cool arms on Doc Oc.

Scarey stuff, I tell ya!

88 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:03:29pm

If W wins it will be a miracle with the full-scale war the MSM had conducted against him for 4 years.

89 Al di Grandpa  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:03:57pm

Let Reuters & AP squeal! All that will do is get more attention to the ad which will be GOOD news! Bush's words are the effect...works well on radio as well. The video editing is imperceptible. The RNC should ignore this petty crap. The DNC knows this is a good ad for Bush.

You can tell everybody at RNC and DNC is getting less sleep these days.

A

90 WV.Hillbilly  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:04:02pm

The shot they're talking about is the still shot of the kid waving a flag on someone's shoulders. It's 5 seconds of the spot.
It's very obvious if you look carefully. It's not something you'd do in editing. You'd have to rubber stamp the guys in Photoshop.
But so what?
Doesn't change what the ad says.
If this is all Kerry's got, he's getting pretty desperate.

91 lmg  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:04:47pm

Well that does it for me: I'm voting for John Kerry and his ward John Edwards! This is totally unacceptable. It's just a small step from editing video for a television ad to imprisoning children with AIDS in concentration camps run by Haliburton and patrolled by poor drafted African-American soldiers. I'm not going to take that chance. Would you?

/ABSURDITY

92 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:05:20pm

*Sigh* Sorry if this has been brought up already, but I'm still hung over and have absolutely no voice left. Apparently there was some kind of game last night, I'm not sure how it turned out...

I figured it was only a matter of time before Comerade Ketchup tried glomming this great moment for the Red Sox Nation, but good for Curt.

O yeah...Tom Werner's campaigning for Kerry in New Hampshire. BFD...was it Werener out there on the mound with his tendon all stitched up? Also, go out to San Diego (big military town) and see what some of the Padres fans thought of Werner's master stroke of having freakin' ROSEANNE BARR butcher the National Anthem!. Yeah...Werener's the biggest hero of the 2004 Red Sox.

93 Buckaroo  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:05:44pm

# 84 Charles

One can only hope several thousand voters who for whatever reason read only the headline (and then perhaps later other info. about the ad) agree ...

94 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:06:05pm
95 eeevil conservative  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:06:33pm

So did they play the part of the video that warns us about Bush/Cheney???

96 Dave J.  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:06:36pm

Charles sez:

Here’s the ad in question: Whatever It Takes. Watch it. Reuters says “some of the faces appear more than once,” but in fact there is only one scene of a veteran looking into space that is repeated as part of a montage at the end of the ad.

Funny, since the photos I've seen show the same group of guys three times in the same photo, and another group appears twice. How exactly did that happen?

97 mommydoc  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:06:56pm

And the real difference is that the Bush campaign immediately acknowledged what had happened, took responsibility, apologized, and is distributing another copy. Unlike the Kos's of the world, who hide their missteps, the Rathers of the world who keep stupidly insisting on the validity of their screwups, or the Kerries of the world, who just keep on adding more outrageous lies, hoping no one will call them on it.

98 traveler  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:07:17pm

Drudge is saying the O'reilly case is settled...

[Link: biz.yahoo.com...]

99 eeevil conservative  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:08:35pm

I have a feeling O'reilly is going to RIP France tonight!

heh heh heh, he just LOVES the French!

100 Dave J.  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:08:59pm

By the way, here's some imags showing IAEA seals still intact at Al Qaqaa on April 18.

Back to the boards for excuse #5, since Giuliani's "It was the fault of our troops!" excuse didn't even manage to last a full news cycle.

101 JAB  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:09:07pm

#2 scaramouche,

You're right! But perhaps Moore's editing is more appropriately termed "butchering."

102 Spiritualized  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:09:20pm

Interesting new article at the Washington Times:

Why Bush will win

103 Blackhorse  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:09:34pm

OT

Teresa strikes again

PITTSBURGH -- Teresa Heinz Kerry on Thursday called attacks on her husband's foreign policy views "Neanderthal." [Link: www.thepittsburghchannel.com...]

She went on to say,
"The perpetration of certain myths that diplomacy and alliances are a sign of weakness is Neanderthal,"

She is of course referring to diplomacy and alliances with the FRENCE, isn't she?

104 Dave the.....  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:09:43pm
Fritz Mondale is considered a historical political clown today.


I used to think of him as kind of an elder statesman (mature, knowledgable, well behaved) until I listened to him debate Norm Coleman...probably exactly 2 years ago today. Since then he's proven to be just a partisan hack.

Worst debate moment (for Fritz). Mondale telling Norm that he resents Norms "arbitrarily pro-life postion."

Norm responds somewhat angerly that he and his wife lost 2 of their 4 children as infants. He doesn't take life abritarily.

105 Blackhorse  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:10:34pm

That should read French

106 LoFlyer  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:11:04pm

By the time Tuesday gets here I expect the MSM to stoop to new lows in “journalism” in their bid to influence the election for Kerry. The problem is that the majority of the US adults no longer believe them. This is a statistic that the MSM has seen but is ignoring. As they become less and less effective in swaying the vote, you can bet they will become more strident and creative in their efforts to elect Kerry. In other words expect even bigger and louder lies. I know this blog will be happy to expose these lies as we find them. With 60 percent of the population no longer believing the MSM, the MSM is just digging the hole deeper. They think they are going to walk away from this election with their public integrity intact, but they are going to think differently after the first subpoenas are served for the upcoming investigations. The MSM screwed the American public with the hype of computer disaster for Y2K, Billions of dollars were spent needlessly all because of the Y2K disaster hype by the MSM, not one of the thousands of possible disasters materialized. The MSM slunk away and found other important issues to cover, like gay marriage, and the 10 commandments. With the selective and sympathetic coverage of liberal issues, and the suppression of conservative issues, they lose more and more of their influence over America.

107 eeevil conservative  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:19:53pm

WOW- they must have had some BIG MUD on her!!! HA HA! I bet O'Reilly is going to be HOT tonight! I expect to see the veins in his forehead pop. I hope they have duct tape in the studio.

This crud about the commercial just BORES ME!

The left and another DESPERATE WHINING SOUND!

Yawn.

I am so beeyaond the Left crying about anything. they just grab ANYThING they can, they must just be crying! This France loves Arafat thing surely can't help Kerry either. It is HILARIOUS- everything they try, every thing they based the campaign on, has come back to smack them

Kerry was a hero --- enter Swift Vote Vets

Kerry was a hero---enter Kerry admitted atrocities

Kerry was a hero---enter Kerry attacked soldiers

Kerry says Bush goofed the weapons stash--- enter kerry attacks troops again

Kerry met with entire UN Sec. Counc.--- enter "No you didn't"

Kerry says Bush shouldn't have gone unilaterally---enter Kerry bashes allies

Kerry cries about not having allies onboard for war---enter OIL for FOOD scandal

Kerry loves the French--- The French love the poster boy for terrorism

Kerry critisizes Bush for trusting International Intelligence--- enter Kerry trusts the NYT

List goes on and on and on and on

108 Parker in US  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:25:01pm

Sounds to me like somebody needs something to do, he should get a real job.

This is BS it must be a bitch to be president!

109 Quilly Mammoth  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:25:32pm

Joe Lockhart has the Quote of the day:
"If they won't tell the truth in an ad, they won't tell the truth about anything else."

Since everyone of Kerry's ads over the last several days has been a falsehood the level of hypocrisy is astounding.

I want to say "I'm rubber your glue..."

Geepers, what liars.

QM

110 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:26:07pm

Bill Gertz just broke a story on Michael Savage that Russia sent special forces to smuggle Saddam's WMD and other weapons in March 2003 to Syria.

111 DP111  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:27:26pm

Most muslims whether in the US or in the ME, support Kerry and wish and hope he wins.

So for no reason other then seeing the discomfiture in the islamic world, I hope that GWB wins handsomely.

GWB's victory will be sap the morale of the Jihadis. Some may even begin to think that allah is not on their side, at this moment in time anyway (He hasnt been on their side for well nigh 200 years).

112 Blackeyed Pierce  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:33:36pm

Heres one for the trolls goin al-qaqaa:
Notice the people reporting it don't seem to remember if they were there or not. Notice the flagpole in front of the cache isn't there in the DOD shot.

113 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:34:22pm

Gertz column on missing weapons:

114 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:35:31pm

sorry bad link...

Gertz on WMDs

115 Muledriver  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:37:22pm

Not a big fan of gratuitous violence but here's what needs to happen to Joe Lockheart:

Take him up in a helicopter. Very high up.

Toss him out.

Through the 15 large plate glass windows which have been set up beforehand.

Onto a cactus patch.

One with sprinklers that spray rubbing alchohol.

Save the 4-ton dumptruck full of fire ants for a grand finale.

116 Parker in US  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:37:55pm

We need to get a crowd of our hero’s in the military together like that at a Kerry convention and have them just BOOO the shit out him.

117 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:43:05pm
118 Dave J.  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:43:36pm

Bill Gertz just broke a story on Michael Savage that Russia sent special forces to smuggle Saddam's WMD and other weapons in March 2003 to Syria.

Ah, the Russians did it. So that would be excuse #4 (it's getting hard to keep track), right after "there weren't explosives there, and if there were they were taken out before the war, but if they were taken out after the war it's cause our troops screwed up!" So why were the IAEA seals still on the bunkers on April 18?

Ruh-roh! Care to try again, son?

119 maxx  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:44:23pm

The msm is quite simply the most dishonest institution in American public life today. For the msm the enemy is the American people - to be weakened, if not defeated at any cost. That's why they hate President Bush and love any moron troll who also hates America.

One way to change the msm culture, assuming it doesn't disappear on its own, would be to move at least 2 of the alphabet networks out of Manhattan - have one go to, say, Chicago and the other to Houston or Dallas. That way they would be exposed in their daily lives to something other than the Hate America First 'hive' that is the chattering classes of Manhattan - see the nyt, Norman Mailer, Michael Moore, Soros etc. etc. etc.

120 Blackeyed Pierce  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:45:20pm

Sorry, they=reporters

Also I can't seem to find the IAEA tag # in the IAEA report about Al-Qaqaa. Hmm must be another cache...

121 Whole Wheat Bagel  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:45:37pm

Anymore the news just drives up my blood pressure, so I try to avoid stories that I know will piss me off. What else can you do? Telling al-Reuters, the NYT, et al, is pointless since they don't give a crap about the truth.

I don't have cable or satellite, and I rarely watch TV. I don't watch the news. I mute or change the channel when political ads come on. It makes for a less stress-filled life.

122 bunny rabid  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:45:43pm

Well the Kerry-eagle commercial was doctored.

Ostriches don't really stick their heads in the ground. If you look carefully in the commercial, you can clearly see that the head is cropped off the ostrich to make it appear that its head is in the sand. Kerry even spins zoology.

Stop this senseless smearing and symbolic beheading of flightless birds!

The LLL spins like an ostrich with its head cropped off.

123 Blackhorse  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:45:51pm

#109 Quilly Mammoth

It looks to me like Joe Lockhart loves to be in front of a camera. He is notably arrogant when he opens his mouth.

It is very difficult for me to determine if he is a Clone of John f'n Kerry or cigar sucking Bill Clinton.

124 willy seaweed  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:47:26pm

o/t: I've just read transcript of the '71Winter Soldier
hearing b4 congress looking for quote by Kerry regarding atrocities..i.e."We all did it."
..I don't see it..

at the linked site below John Armour quotes kerry as saying that (in paragraphs 15 17 and 19)

[Link: www.greenberet.net...]

Does anyone have irrefutable linkage to prove the quote?..

125 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:51:06pm
126 traveler  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:54:55pm

#118 Dave J

Ah, the Russians did it. So that would be excuse #4 (it's getting hard to keep track), right after "there weren't explosives there, and if there were they were taken out before the war, but if they were taken out after the war it's cause our troops screwed up!" So why were the IAEA seals still on the bunkers on April 18?

That's right, Dave, try to keep up...Since Kerry's a known liar, and his monkey-boy Holbrook says "we don't know the truth", it's fair to say the subject is fair game for discussion.

Now it just comes down to the credibility of the person offering the scenario -- gee, that crosses out KERRY.

127 N.A. PALM  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:56:26pm

Hmmm... As of yesterday, Arafishfat was almost dead. We all thought so. Then he "bounced back", but was going to Jordan for medical treatment. So far so good.

But now he's going to FRANCE. Oh my. Once in France, I'm sure he'll make a MIRACULOUS recovery. Then he'll be free to spend his $18 billion in Swiss Francs on lots of Little Girls and Terrorists. Once he's there, the Isrealis can't touch him. The Isrealis should have killed him while they had the chance.

'Gentle readers', we've been had, once again, by the Arabs and their friends. l

128 DouglasMcK  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:57:59pm

Link credit - topdeck


Edited Picture


Unedited Picture

Credit again to topdeck, :) was a nice quick post last night I happened to see.

129 Blackeyed Pierce  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:58:13pm

Poor Dave J. didn't read my posts. Perhaps he can't read.

Let's try again:

Notice the people reporting this story don't seem to remember if they(the reporters) were there or not. Notice the flagpole in front of the cache in the story isn't there in the DOD shot.

[Link: www.kstp.com...]
[Link: www.dod.gov...]


Also I can't seem to find the IAEA tag # that is in the story, in the IAEA report about Al-Qaqaa. Hmm must be another cache...

[Link: kstp.com...]
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

130 zombie  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:59:38pm

Aaagghhh! I haven't been logging on all day, and look what happens! If only, if only...how frustrating.

THIS ISSUE WAS TOTALLY DEBUNKED LAST NIGHT ON LGF at 1am!! Charles, others -- go to yesterdays's last thread, and start reading sometime around 1am (early this morning) -- A Kossack dropped in with this phony "doctored photo" story, and within 9 minutes a lizardoid (I forget who) had debunked it; a couple minutes after that I put a bullet in the "doctored photo" story's head. I CAN'T BELIEVE this was resurrected by Reuters. They are taking their articles straight off of Kos.

Sorry I'm not providing the links here, but I'm not using my regular surfing computer and this one is verrry slow.

How FRUSTRATING!

131 joe_surfs35  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 2:59:43pm

*LOL*

As if Charles wouldn't be hunched over squinting if he thought Kerry's folks had tried to pull something like this. With some folks, it all comes down to whose ox is gored.

132 MichelefromLA  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:00:50pm

OT:

My husband was watching CNN (Grrr! I hate that channel) and the anchor, oh -what's his name...?Gloria Vanderbilt's son with the funny name, I think.

Anyway...he reported that Rudy Guliani was denigrating the troops on the Good Morning America program this morning. They played the clip -

Rudy was saying that it's the troops that are on the ground who would be responsible for the weapons (re: this whole missing weapon situation.) And the clip was then edited abruptly.

I assume it cut off where Rudy Guliani was then going to explain that when Kerry/Edwards talk about this weapons fiasco, they're really talking about the troops.

In other words - Kerry/Edwards are dissing the troops in order to take a stab at Bush.

But according to CNN, Nope! Guliani is going on morning programs putting down the troops.

Oh, my aching head. Please give me strength to endure these last days of political manipulation.

133 honest doc  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:02:33pm

The word 'doctored' to describe this trivial photo-editing is outrageous.
Re- #60- think about it Charles, it would make the fight so worthwhile if you could truly publicize this media bias.
Am starting to wish that I could vote for W twice...

134 Dave J.  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:02:57pm

Notice the people reporting this story don't seem to remember if they(the reporters) were there or not.

Er...I think the explosives boxes that read "AL QAQAA" on them pretty much settle the issue of whether they were there or not.

Of course, you may be right--maybe they've discovered ANOTHER complex with IAEA seals that was unguarded after the war.

Try again, son.

135 Sydney Carton  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:03:06pm

This video editing episode reminds me of something I learned back when I was a political science major...

In 1984, Ronald Reagan created a TV ad that mentioned how great the housing market was, and it showed Reagan touring construction sites and talking to workers in hardhats, etc.

Once the ad ran, the MSM went through it line by line, in the attempt to parse the misleading phrases from the truth. They do that sorta thing all the time with the ad. But in the process, they played the ad OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

After Reagan won the election, I his campaign manager or his advertising manager gave an interview and said that when the MSM did that, their audiance wasn't paying attention to the voice-overs of talking-heads and other MSM people fact-checking the ad. Instead, the audiance paid attention to the visuals of the ad. They saw Reagan in a hardhat, talking to construction workers. They didn't pay attention to the nit-picking factchecking of the MSM. Even during a critique of the ad, it had its effect.

The same thing will happen here. Tonight, all the cable shows will do their rounds tonight and will discuss the ad. They'll play the ad, giving it FREE AIR TIME NATIONWIDE. It's a good ad. And its faults are even less than the Reagan 1984 commercial. What this means is that people will see the ad on its merits and will see Bush's honesty and dedication that is so obvious on his face in this commercial.

Quite frankly, the democrats and the MSM should've let this ad go unnoticed. Now, everyone's going to check it out to see what the fuss is about. They'll see either the original ad which is very powerful, or they'll see the corrected version and will see nothing wrong with it. Some people may even be persuaded by it.

If anything, this campaign has shown that attempts at evil only rebound to the greater good. The MSM and the democrats fashion scandal after scandal, and they blow up into forged documents, false stories, and people seeing a great campaign ad. Nothing works for them. And from reading the comments at DailyKos, they are entirely delusional to this counterintuitive effect. They only see a "gotcha" once again, never considering the consequences of their actions. They're morons.

And this so-called scandal will probably end up convincing more people to vote for Bush in the end because they'll see a very powerful campaign ad. So give a hat tip to DailyKos for providing some free advertising for George W. Bush.

136 joe_surfs35  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:08:16pm

OT. Cheney today, vs. Cheney yesterday.

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

137 Cavy  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:09:14pm

#2 scaramouche 10/28/2004 03:19PM PST

Fahrenheit 9/11 was doctored, too. I never saw the MSM getting too hot and bothered about that "surgery".

Painfully obvious isn't it ...

My take is that the MSM don't care that "WE" know it's all crap ...
it's the numerical advantage of the "Sheeple" who have no idea it's a bunch of crap that they are counting on ...
"WE" need to concentrate in getting the FACTUAL Truth out ... especially to those who are not "news savy" ... and refute the MSM's screaming lie's ... be it a slanted "news update" on TV... or a bogus headline in the newspaper ... even your local "fishwrap" news ...

my .02 ...

138 Rage - Goddess,  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:09:27pm

I am in stunned awe that the Democrats have resorted to attacking the Bush campaign over a triviality like this. Was there a good reason to take out the President's podium and replace the hole with background soldiers? Probably not. Is the photoshopping an indication of fundamental deception and dishonesty? Get real! Is this really all they've got left? Remember, the voters can smell desperation.

Hey, Kos! Thanks for the October Surplop!

139 Classic Bull  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:15:53pm

#35 Gunzilla

Want to move to America

140 EddieP  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:22:50pm

#127

Why do you think Arafat will only spend his money on Lots of Little Girls? Do you think he doesn't care about Little Boys?

141 traveler  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:30:33pm

#136

Cheney today vs. Cheney yesterday...

YAWN...

142 Havoc  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:33:31pm

-- In Case you missed the link at


--- Instapundit


Another October Suprprise: Germany's Largest Newspaper Endorses Bush

--- WIZBANGS call to all Pajamahudin to help in filling in the missing docs to close up the 380 tons to 3 tons timeline Just Read the article on Explosivesgate

--- BLACKFIVES RedSox Nation in Iraq and a RedSox Fan Poseur

--- What Hugh Hewitt REALLY thinks of Kerry Plus breaking Bush Huge Momentum news

--- A couragous 23 year old Iraqi woman who took a dangerous high profile job to become the translator for Lieutenant General Petraeus himself, the commander of the 101st - despite all the media exposure that entailed - and you would proudly do that job in the face of continued death threats against you.

--- A Flip Flop from Zogby
I,m shocked. SHOCKED ! !

143 gumbydammit  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:36:30pm

#35 Gunzilla;

I believe you, but try telling that to these lost morons, determined to destroy America:
http://blog.johnkerry.com/

144 Jack  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:37:49pm
But some of the faces appear more than once in the image, which flashes across the screen as Bush vows to “never relent in defending America, whatever it takes.” ...

My god, the Republicans are using subliminal messages to influence the stupid Democrats and undecided voters.

145 sportutegrl  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:40:20pm

What is the opposite of the phrase, "damming with faint praise?" Oh my GAWD!!! Lets impeach Dan Quayle. He used an alternate but acceptable spelling of potatoe.

146 lazytart  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:44:37pm

Muledriver,

That type of violence is NOT gratuitous, IMO.

147 mommydoc  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:45:23pm

The thing that's so silly about this is that they edited out the President to emphasize the little boy, and just filled in the middle space that he had been blocking (as Charles already pointed out.) They didn't add soldiers to the periphery to make it look like more.

And, unlike something that Kerry does all the time verbally, they didn't edit the President into someplace he hadn't been!

148 antiquebob  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:48:55pm

[Link: about.reuters.com...]

[Link: about.reuters.com...]

the history section is interesting - a british co., publicly traded on NASDAQ, lots of financial subsidiaries, including Multex and Instanet.

THIS IS GREAT! Reuters has a set of "Trust Principles" that "guarantee" freedom from bias in all reporting: General intro copies below, and a lot more specific info at the link...

[Link: about.reuters.com...]
Editorial Policy

Reuters news operations are based on the company’s Trust Principles which stipulate that the integrity, independence and freedom from bias of Reuters must be upheld at all times.

Reuters has strict policies in place to ensure adherence to these principles. We are committed to accurate and balanced reporting. Errors of fact are always promptly corrected and clearly published.

Reuters is the largest international multi-media news agency, reporting extensively from around the world on topics ranging from financial markets to general and political news.

Some Reuters coverage, including pictures and video, is of wars or conflicts during which all sides are actively promoting their positions and arguments.

We are committed to reporting the facts and in all situations avoid the use of emotive terms. The only exception is when we are quoting someone directly or in indirect speech. We aim to report objectively actions, identity and background and pay particular attention to all our coverage in extremely sensitive regions.

We do not take sides and attempt to reflect in our stories, pictures and video the views of all sides. We are not in the business of glorifying one side or another or of disseminating propaganda. Reuters journalists do not offer their own opinions or views.

The world relies on Reuters journalists to provide accurate, clearly sourced accounts of events as they occur, wherever they occur, so that individuals, organisations and governments can make their own decisions based on the facts.

Feedback

We receive many hundreds of e-mails each week and it is not possible to send individual replies. But we do welcome views on how we could improve our news coverage and all correspondence is read by a senior editor. In fact we often spot and correct errors faster with the help of sharp-eyed readers. Other e-mails have made us question and sometimes change the way we describe people, countries, concepts and controversies.

Below we have collated some of the more Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) we have received in the past months. You will find lots of answers and information there.


Updated: October 2004

149 antiquebob  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:53:50pm

It was Reuters who last year decided not to use the word "terrorist", because it is relative and carries a Western/US bias. Acc. to Reuters, the US may see Al Quaida as terrorists, for example, but many Moslems see them as freedom fighters. Thus, to be fair and unbiased, Reuters does not use the term.

this is another reason not to get our news from a European source.

[Link: about.reuters.com...]
Editorial Policy

Reuters news operations are based on the company’s Trust Principles which stipulate that the integrity, independence and freedom from bias of Reuters must be upheld at all times.

Reuters has strict policies in place to ensure adherence to these principles. We are committed to accurate and balanced reporting. Errors of fact are always promptly corrected and clearly published.

150 maxx  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:55:36pm

Excellent article on Top Ten stories of msm dishonesty so far in 2004:

[Link: www.mrc.org...]

Note: Link appears to work even though it appears cut off when I preview the post.

151 antiquebob  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 3:58:13pm

Here is proof that Reuters is not biased (LOL)
From the Reuters site:

Question
Do Reuters journalists voice their own opinions?

Answer
No, never. News stories are sourced very clearly and precisely to enable readers and viewers to form their own judgment. Our correspondents do not use unconfirmed reports as the basis of a story, nor do they offer subjective opinion.

[Link: reuters.custhelp.com...]

152 HUSKER  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 4:00:37pm

When your campaign has to pull little shit like this, you know your beat. Notice those rallies for Kerry on TV? They don't pan back to show you there are only a hundred or so, and alot of the time the people behind him aren't clapping.

On the contrary, Bush's crowds are gigantic and they're clapping and freaking out. Pumped!

Go ride a bike, or shoot a duck, or windsurf, or wear a Carhartt, or wear a Red Sox hat, or tell the Earth Day people you don't have an SUV or make some more shit up. Just go away!

153 Acesover8ts  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 4:01:33pm

We are at war with people wanting to kill us and John Heinz is worried about an ad. It is an ad. It is an ad. God help us if he thinks those car and beer commercials are real. I know Republican will laugh at how rediculous the Heinz campaign is and hopefully this nonsense will make people think about how pitiful the Dumbcrat have become.

154 Cy_Kologis  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 4:02:08pm

Rule #4 from Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" is: Make the target live up to its own book of rules.

This is a classic case. The Left has no compunction putting montages together with the expressed aim to deceive (cf. Fahrenheit 911), yet they scream bloody murder for any infraction, real or imaginary, that they can make a case about.

PS. It seems to me that just about everything the DNC does comes right from the Alinsky playbook...

155 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 4:12:41pm
156 antiquebob  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 4:13:23pm

The email comment that I submitted to Reuters:

I read with interest your Editorial Policy and Trust Principles. I question why you see something sinister in the normal editing of the recent Bush campaign ad, which Reuters referred to as "doctored". The term "doctored" implies that something was changed in a dishonest manner, the change fundamental truth. I do not recall any criticism from Reuters of the many "doctored" scenes in Farenheit 911. It seems that Reuters' stories about Bush are uniformly negative, in content, story selection, and tone, and those about Kerry always positive. How do you justify this increasingly transparent bias against Bush with the Editorial Policy and Trust Principles of Reuters? Sincerely, RW, Virginia

157 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 4:21:46pm
158 HUSKER  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 4:24:43pm

Notice that as the election gets closer the more Kerry ass-hats come into the fray? Whatsamatta losers, nobody's watching your bullshit Sore-loser-os four-year illegally-funded 527 ad "news" satations, so you have to come in here? Guess what? Kerry will lose, and then Bush will cut off your unemployment, and your mom is goi9ng to kick you out of her basement, when her boyfriend's brother moves in.

159 Astute Observer  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 4:24:51pm

I hope you good people are watching the polls. Kerry is our next president. Please get used to it, and give him a fair shake. The media were amazingly kind to shrub for 3 1/2 years, and as always happens at times of bad news, they are being tough (but fair) on him, because the bad news is occurring on his watch and he is the president. They did the same with Jimmy carter and set the stage for Reagan to win. It was too bad for Carter, but it wasn't wrong or improper. The media tend to be fair overall. Let's face it, there are reporters conservative and liberal reporters in Iraq (yes, Fox News and the WSJ and NY Post have reporters there) and what they report is remarkable similart to that being told to us by the "MSM." They are called the mainstream media becuase they tend to report the middle-of-the-road viewpoint without fear or favor. Sure, there are some bad apples on both sides, but they get pointed out and their stories don't resonate because the MSM drowns them out as it should and must. It's really quote wonderful, how our media can go after nixon for Watergat and Clinton for Monicagate -- all's fair, and our media is probably the fairest in the world.

160 lazytart  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 4:35:43pm

Bwahahahahahaaa!!!

You are too much.

161 antiquebob  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 4:36:49pm

#159 Astute Observer

I wonder what polls you are referring to? Bush not only leads in the average of all polls in WI, IA, FL, NM, CO, WV, AR, MN, and is tied in NJ, PA HI, and MI. I think you just throw out lies, like Democrats are wont to do, and figure about half the people will believe them. After repeating them often enough, you expect them to become accepted truth. However, you are not amongst the general public here!

Here are the latest national polls, from Real Clear Politics: (Bush ahead in all but one, which is a tie):
RCP Average 10/21 - 10/27 48.4% 46.1% 1.3% Bush +2.3
Reuters/Zogby (1206 LV) 10/25 - 10/27 48% 46% 1% Bush +2
ABC/Wash Post (1747 LV)* 10/24 - 10/27 49% 48% 1% Bush +1
TIPP (792 LV) 10/24 - 10/27 47% 44% 2% Bush +3
ICR (741 LV) 10/22 - 10/26 48% 45% 2% Bush +3
CNN/USAT/Gallup (1195 LV) 10/22 - 10/24 51% 46% 1% Bush +5
Los Angeles Times (881 LV) 10/21 - 10/24 48% 48% 1% TIE
Newsweek (880 LV) 10/21 - 10/22 48% 46% 1% Bush +2
Time (803 LV) 10/19 - 10/21 51% 46% 2% Bush +5
GW/Battleground (1000 LV) 10/18 - 10/21 49% 45% 1% Bush +4

162 Sarah D.  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 4:38:49pm

I love it when Rayra uses the word fucktard!

I feel like I'm at home :-)

163 Astute Observer  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 4:44:23pm

Kerry Ahead by 4 and 3 in Pair of New National Polls

John Kerry leads George Bush 49-45 percent of nation-wide RV's, according to an Economist/YouGov Poll conducted 10/25-27.

Kerry leads Bush 49-46 percent of nation-wide LV's in a new Democracy Corps Poll conducted 10/26-27
Posted by EDM Staff at 03:04 PM | link | Comments (0)


New ARG Polls: Kerry Ahead in OR, WI, Lags in IA

Results of American Research Groups Polls of LV's conducted 10/25-27:
Oregon - Kerry leads 50-46 percent
Wisconsin - Kerry ahead 48-47 percent
Iowa - Bush leads 48-47 percent

There are many, many more...

164 Astute Observer  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 4:48:52pm

You also need to take into account first-time voters, who on average are preferring kerry 52 to 43 percent. And in those swing states, there are a lot of new voters, mostly Democrats. Good luck, my friends.

165 Astute Observer  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 4:51:45pm

Zogby pointed out a historical fact: when a presidential incumbent is scoring less than 50% in the polls and leading by less than 10% a week before the election, he usually loses (7 out of 10 times in the history of the US). Zogby then went on to say that, if he had to make a small bet, he would bet on Kerry winning, though the election is really too close to call. The Zogby website shows daily polling results for 2004 and 2000 side-by-side. At this point in 2000, Bush led Gore 46% to 41%. Right now, Bush leads Kerry 48% to 47%. In other words, the election is shaping up to be even closer than it was in 2000.

166 Sarah D.  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 4:52:12pm

And in many states, if not all, are many Democrats who will vote Republican this election. But they don't dare tell anyone. I wonder why?

167 antiquebob  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:01:40pm

Astute Observer:

Kerry is fighting for blue states, many of which are slipping away form him. Bush leads in all the 200 red states, except NH and Ohio. Bush leads or is tied in lots of blue states.
"Lots of new voters" is a Demorat red herring. In Florida and Ohio, for example, new registrations are almost evenly divided. Republicans have had a very effective voter registration drive, and, unlike Demorats, have not offered anyone crack in return for registration, or paid street people to get registrations. Unfortunately for the Democrats, many of their new registrations are fake, or ineligible, and the Republicans have signed over 6 million voluteer poll watchers to catch fraudulent Demorat voters.

Something for you to worry about: Many Republicans - millions in fact - stayed home in 2000, 1996, 1992. They were not energized enough to get motivated to vote. In '92, it was Bush 1 breaking the no new taxes pledge. In '96 it was the lackluster non-campaign of Dole-Kemp. In 2000 Republicans were not as enthused about GW as they are now. For one, they suspected he may be a moderate pol, like his father. Another, they did not truly fear the aeemingly middle of the road Gore -Lieberman ticket. And then the DUI "revelation" 4 days before the election suppressed the Repub. vote.
NOT SO THIS YEAR! Republican turnout will be through the roof. I remember you Demorats said all sorts of crazy things during the California recall, pinning your hopes on your own made up fantasies. Then the voters spoke, and shut you guys up! When Republicans are energized, as they were in 1994 midterms, they win, and fairly big! Look out! And keep dreamin'.

168 antiquebob  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:05:07pm

#165

Zogby always oversamples Demorats.

Also, I heard Zogby the other day: He said that it is a fiction that lake deciders break for the challenger. He pointed out that late deciders historically break 2:1 for the INCUMBANT when there is one, and more so when national security is the number 1 issue.

Rasmussen (Preztrack.com) polling shows that voters who have been deciding in October are breaking 2:1 for Bush.

169 HUSKER  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:05:17pm

funny, I say as Kerry's losing more and more LLL come in here. And looky here, a fulfilled prophecy...Kerry's losing, otherwise why would they be in here?

Na Na Na Na, Na Na Na Na, Hey Hey, Goodbye.

The more liberal democrats in here the better, that means that they're not stealing my Bush signs.

170 Sarah D.  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:06:13pm

#167 antiquebob

Wow. Great post and great points.

This year the Republicans have a good reason to vote. And, as you stated...they did so in California of all places. Overwhelmingly!

171 HUSKER  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:07:56pm

Typical:

My guy leads your guy in the PNHO poll (poll nobody's heard of) and the [Link: www.madeupshit.com...] poll. Nice try. The fact that NJ is a tie says it all.

172 HUSKER  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:13:20pm

Here's another one for our near-suicidal pals with nowhere to go tonight. Vegas has Bush as the favorite. When you have guys picking odds as if they'll be snuffed if they're wrong, they get it right!

173 h0mi  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:20:25pm

I'm amused that they think they were taking a "small crowd" and using photoshop to turn it into a big one.

What did they think was in the spots "filled in" via photoshop?


I hope you good people are watching the polls. Kerry is our next president. Please get used to it, and give him a fair shake.

I will give him no more a fair shake than the LLL ever gave Bush. Electing Kerry only vindicates the "anybody but X" tactics that failed in the 90s and should fail in 2004. But you plays with fire, you tends to gets burned.


Something for you to worry about: Many Republicans - millions in fact - stayed home in 2000, 1996, 1992. They were not energized enough to get motivated to vote. In '92, it was Bush 1 breaking the no new taxes pledge. In '96 it was the lackluster non-campaign of Dole-Kemp. In 2000 Republicans were not as enthused about GW as they are now. For one, they suspected he may be a moderate pol, like his father. Another, they did not truly fear the aeemingly middle of the road Gore -Lieberman ticket. And then the DUI "revelation" 4 days before the election suppressed the Repub. vote.

The religious right stayed home in droves in 2000. I don't know why- I thought W would've been their guy but they didn't feel like he was their man on some issues and rather than vote for Gore whom they knew wasn't their guy, they stayed home. The last 4 years should've opened their eyes; if Bush had won more states, had captured 50% or more, his presidency definately would've had a stronger mandate and the effect of a strong mandate would've meant alot more than what we'd seen, including those things about the spending that are driving economic conservatives nuts with the deficit.

174 MichelefromLA  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:38:02pm

Astute Observer -

A few things: 9/11 changed many Democrats, like me, into Bush supporters.

And as for new voters voting Democrat - maybe normally - but 9/11 makes this election different. Many people aren't so focused on the issues of old - abortion, environment, economy...but are focused on who will protect us and fight terror.

So, to assume new voters will jump on the Democratic bandwagon of old is to believe these new voters are not aware of what is really at stake.

Anyway, gotta run, though I would have liked to have written more.

My point is - Don't assume anything! Everything's different. Or haven't you noticed?

175 independent_with_common_sense  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:39:52pm

New rule 1: In the event of a close race (less than 1% separating the candidates), the winner becomes President, the loser Vice President.

A truly democratic system does not saddle nearly half of the electorate with a candidate they did not vote for.

The big lesson of 2000 was that a close election--especially one decided by the Supreme Court--leads to a divided nation.

New rule 2: When the nation is at war, only a "unity ticket" shall be allowed in the contest.

176 independent_with_common_sense  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:42:46pm

The polls do not indicate how many Democrats will vote for Bush and how many Republicans will vote for Kerry--AT THE LAST MINUTE.

177 prospero  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:48:12pm

Hey, you misspelled "ass toot."

178 seadog  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 6:28:57pm

The local rag here, "Florida Today" had an article about Edwards and his rally yesterday. 2300-4000 people (depends on where you stood) and how "enthusiastic" they were. Above the fold, page 1. GWB was here last weekend, filled the stadium (14500+), "moderate crowd". Under the fold, page 1. Can you guess the bias? Oh, yeah... FT endorsed JfinK. And every other Demo in the running...

179 Hhar  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 6:37:44pm

176 independant_with_common_morals

A truly democratic system does not saddle nearly half of the electorate with a candidate they did not vote for.

You are eminently quotable, you know?

180 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 9:19:15pm
181 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 9:23:24pm
182 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 9:25:13pm
183 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 9:29:31pm
184 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 9:36:28pm
185 Astute Observer  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 5:01:37am

From Kos (yes, screw 'em Kos, who's still a very smart and shrewd politico):

Bush Kerry

Zogby 47 47 Friday

TIPP 46 43

Rasmussen 48.9 46.9

WaPo 49 48

These are yesterday's numbers. The tracking polls will be updated throughout the day.

Chris Bowers from MyDD has some battleground analysis here. Alan Abramowitz at EDM has National poll analysis here. In effect, Bush is frozen at 46-48 (except WaPo which skyrockets to 49) and the battlegrounds are too close to call. Movement the last few days has been sampling error; otherwise the trackers agree more than disagree. Zogby (the Daily Show last night) agrees Bush is stuck and calls it for not-Bush (in this case, Kerry).

186 traveler  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 5:28:43am
A truly democratic system does not saddle nearly half of the electorate with a candidate they did not vote for.

What a bunch of crap -- do we really have to explain the reasons for the Electoral College to you? I'm too busy raising my own kids right now...

The big lesson of 2000 was that a close election--especially one decided by the Supreme Court--leads to a divided nation.

The big lesson was that the Supreme Court said --- show me the evidence of cheating (besides Gore's attempts to disqualify military ballots), otherwise, you can't steal this election, Al.

Your communist party line w/o reason has become tiresome...Go vote for Hanoi Kerry already --- Buh-bye.

187 traveler  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 5:44:27am

The reason the election 2000 was so close was that the nation was divided already...Al Bore's lawsuit only drove the wedge deeper.

Guess Clinton's dithering for 8 years didn't inspire the citizenry to a landslide for Al Bore. So he resorted to cheesy lawsuits and cheating.

188 antiquebob  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 5:48:13am

#185

Dear Astute Observer (i.e. DNC paid blogger hack):

Your beloved Zobgy predicted first that the CA recall would fail, and then his polling showed a Bustamante victory! He went out on a limb and predicted it, with a "small bet", just as he is now with Kerry. Zobgy is a Democrat and allows his psrtisan feelings to color his professional judgment.
He has been shown to be wrong time after time.

Remember when the Democrats were, on the basis is Zogby and most other major polls, predicting that even if Arnold won, the collective vote against him would surely be over 50%, and he would therefore not have a majority, and they would make that a big issue and destroy his legitimacy, just like they have done with Bush for the past 4 years. Well, the electorate proved them wrong in a big way.

The average of all major polls shows a bounce for Bush going into the weekend, and blue states are going to toss up or leans Bush everywhere! It's amazing! The unprecedented Republican turnout this year, surpassing the examples of the CA recall and 1994 midterms, will surprise posslsters and pundits, and sweep W into another 4 years with a MANDATE this time.


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