Strange that Osama would have so much criticism of the way Bush handled the situation that Osama created. This is so postmodern it hurts.

This latest psycotic rant from OBL sounds very much different from all others.. The transcript reads more nuanced thoughtful and sensitive and much more able to pass a global test...OBL knows Kerry is a man he could do business with,just as Saddham perceived Kofi was a man he could do business with...So,OBL is hedging his bet that Kerry,if elected ,would extend an olive branch in a peace brokered by kofi chirac and the rest of the union of arabia

OBL reads kerry perfectly

It's absolutely eerie to hear John Kerry's talking points coming from the mouth of a mass murderer.

WTF does this mean (about 40% down the page) -- "I had referred to that in a previous statement during the Tora Bora battle **last year**."

??!!

Hmmmm.....Kerry/Osama, the same person?

Osama conveniently disappeared when Kerry surfaced from his 20-year senate sabbatical to run for office. I report, you decide.

A yes, but John Kerry would protect us because he promises to "hunt down and kill" the terrorists.

The problem is, when the political winds called for a different stance, John Kerry said he "could in no way feel right about killing someone he didn't even know."

Does that mean he knows Bin Laden because UBL is one of the "foreign leaders" who told him they want him to win?

The citation is here.

The page linked says its dated 12 Feb 2003, this is not the latest OBL tape. Please check.

Charles -?!??!? When I click on your link, it takes me to a transcript of a tape from 2003!! Please go to my posts in the "Every Cloud has a Silver Lining" thread for the most complete extant transcripts of today's new tape.

OT: Once again, can't help myself...

OT

Britain to examine the latest OBL tape

Well,

I consider this statement good news. Obviously, bin Laden thinks Americans are french, and we'll vote for Kerry as long as we trust him to "leave us alone"..

So, here's what I want to see. Let's capture the moron, bring over here and drop him off on the Blue Ridge Parkway. There's lots of caves he can hide out in the Appalachians. And then we sell hunting licenses.

BTW, this statement posted in a previous thread, "Let him tell us why we did not strike Sweden, for example" is totally bogus. Why would terrorists attack Sweden when they are taking over the country? I've spent time in Sweden and it's a lovely place, but I understand the natives are leaving Malmo because it's become a haven for roving Muslim hoodlums who consider a blonde without a burka fair game for rape.
And the Swedes do nothing. Go figure.

Please fix this ASAP, C. Another post I put in the "Silver Lining" thread is about how the FULL tape has not yet even been broadcast, even on Al-Jazeera, so the last transcript I posted is I think the best we're going to get for a while.

It's hard to see how Kerry can justify scraping the bunker busting nuke, given the importance Bin Laden places on trenches and digging in where the bombs can't get them. But then, Kerry doesn't need logic to make a decision.

The most qualified regions for liberation are Jordan, Morocco, Nigeria, Pakistan, the land of the two holy mosques [Saudi Arabia], and Yemen.

I have no problem with civil war in any of these entities.

"Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks."

Your wish to the crusaders should be as came in this verse of poetry: "The only language between you and us is the sword that will strike your necks."

Fuck you, savage.

Under these circumstances, there will be no harm if the interests of Muslims converge with the interests of the socialists in the fight against the crusaders, despite our belief in the infidelity of socialists.

An alliance between Islamists and socialists? Quel surprise.

5 Swamp Woman

I think that OBL and kerry are the same person - same hight, same build, same ugly.

OBL now speaks in nuance as well. Did anyone else notice the flash at the end of the video "A Film by Michael Moore"? Clinches it for me.

tisk...tisk...

These two Al queda videos....

Terrorist can be such a nuisance.

The correct link is here.

BBC must have switched the link: Excerpts: Bin Laden video

D'oh! Not the right transcript.

Under these circumstances, there will be no harm if the interests of Muslims converge with the interests of the socialists in the fight against the crusaders, despite our belief in the infidelity of socialists.

Ah, an Unholy Alliance indeed. (That's it, I'm buying that book!)

UBL, Michael Mooreon, John Kerry, Jacques Chirac, Arafish - sounds like good company to me. Would that we could flush them all on Nov. 2.

Um, Charles, the link seems to go to an OBL speech broadcast on 2/11/03, not the new one other threads were talking about...

But anyway, apart from the fact that the evil insane slimeball in question really, truly terrifies me (I was living in NYC on 9/11), I still don't understand his particular brand of brain damage.

"Each and every state that does not tamper with our security will have automatically assured its own security."

Us, who? What does he mean by "us," exactly?

I mean, who elected this f*cker in charge of all members of the "RoP," worldwide? And what does he mean "security" -- they have some global Islamic police force preserving the peace and protecting peace-loving citizens everywhere?

Oh, wait, I bet God told him he was in charge. Of course. And those whispering shadowy figures in black burkas, I bet. (Next we'll see OBL played in a movie "based on true events," starring Sean Penn, called "A Sick Mind," featuring a reanimated, digitized "Nobel Peace Prize-winning" Arafish, played by Michael Moore in a fish costume. And a really strong girdle.)

OBL is about as qualified to say "us" as Al Sharpton is, when Good ol' Al says he represents the needs and interests of all African Americans everywhere.

OK, so Good ol' Al isn't that bad: he doesn't deserve to be put in the same sentence as OBL, but... whatever, who actually cares what he thinks?

The new video begins "Dirka dirka Jihad dirka dirka Allah dirka burkha ..."

Actually here's a link to BBC excerpts of the new video.

He starts with,

In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate.

I thought it was Allah, Is he now claiming to worship two Gods?

I thought Muslims always referred to their Moon god allah.

#3 Dr. Sanity

It's absolutely eerie to hear John Kerry's talking points coming from the mouth of a mass murderer.

John Kerry has something in common with him then. Over 100,000 South Vietnamese were executed without trial after Siagon fell in 75'. John was a means to help that end come about.

I need to ask a question for which I have no answer.

Those of you who have monitored Kerry's campaign speeches, I need to know if criticism of Bush for allowing Bin Laden to escape from Tora Bora has been a consistent talking point, occasionally mentioned, or barely ever mentioned.

One answer means my interest is null. Another means that I have a talking point. I need help here.

lmao

They also depend on massive air strikes so as to conceal their most prominent point of weakness, which is the fear, cowardliness, and the absence of combat spirit among US soldiers.

The only side of this war who has yet to field a serious army on the ground is the terrorists.

It is interesting to see the coincidence of words between Kerry, Moore, and UBL.

They really are on the same page.

I think that if you line up a picture of Kerry, Charles, and a picture of Bin Laden,... and superimpose them like you did the Rathergate documents we may all be in for an Eery Surprise!

The event that affected me most personally was in 1982, when America gave permission for Israel to invade Lebanon

The PLO in Lebanon massacred whole entire christian towns.

Arafat's crimes in Damour Lebanon
Do you not remember Damour Lebanon. Let me remind you. Arafat and the PLO plunged Lebanon into "massacres, rape, mutilation, rampages of looting and killings. Out of a population of 3.2 million, some 40,000 or more people had been killed, 100,000 wounded, 5,000 permanently maimed

In January of 1976, the destruction of Damour, a town of some 25,000 was completed by the PLO within two weeks.

read the whole thing.

OT:
Bill Oreilly is running a n over the weekend poll at billoreilly.com. He will release the results on Monday's show. He says 75 K have already voted ..shooting for 250K.

Let's not le tthe trolls freep the poll

OK, folks, Charles has fixed the original link now. Ignore our previous warnings that it linked to a 2003 tape.

I wonder if Dan Pearlman, Bigsley, Hanson, .........

agrre with this:

In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate.

#24 Buckeye Abroad

John Kerry has something in common with him then. Over 100,000 South Vietnamese were executed without trial after Siagon fell in 75'. John was a means to help that end come about.

Buckeye, I never thought much about it, but I believe you have something here.

Kerry no doubt has much blood on his hands.

OT, but according to this poll, Kerry's lead in California is now down to 7 points.

Bush won't take California, but the fact that he's neck and neck with Kerry in PA and NJ and has narrowed Kerry's lead considerably in the Golden State, must surely have the Dems wetting their pants.

Zarqawi as Joey Zasa?

Maybe this tape has more to do with a power struggle within Al Qaeda than with Tuesday's election?

Lerxt

GREAT POINT!!

I love how he blasts the soldiers... that'll just get our troops more pumped to NAIL HIM!!!! And all his SCUM!

The spin is in.Bad news for Bush, says CBS

OT

Does anyone have a link to the 51 Deceptions in F9/11? I'm downloading it and I want that in hand as I watch it. Swore to myself I wouldn't pay to see it and looks like I win. :)

#24
Just one item in the long line o things Kerry has been wrong about. He claimed way back then that there would be no bloodbath. Being Kerry means never having to say you're sorry.

#4, #7 You are right. This transcript looks familiar. It is not from today's tape.

#34: That's excellent news. We need a solid popular vote win to forestall lawsuits (and whining).

OBL is just another thug pussy who hides in the mountains while convincing poor people to do his fighting. Come on out................

BBC has an excerpt here:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

#29 Jonny

Arafat WILL pay dearly even after his death.

He passed on tyranny and oppression to his son, and they called it the PATRIOT act, under the pretext of fighting terror. Bush the father did well in placing his sons as governors and did not forget to pass on the expertise in fraud from the leaders of the (Mideast) region to Florida to use it in critical moments.

Well guess usama doesn't care for the "PATRIOT act", geez.

Hmmm, alludes to Florida 2000 "fraud", "region to Florida to use it in critical moments"

Are we sure this wasn't terry mcauliffe, james carville or paul begala in make up?

Nevermind on the link. Found it. 59 Deceits - Dave Kopel

and just to be complete

Download the movie.

What bothers me is his final statement:

Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your hands. Each state that doesn't mess with our security has automatically secured their security.

The reference to "state", he's quite clear for the most part and it is directed at the American people, not it's allies etc.

Comments?

bleh. oops. F9/11 Movie

#34 A person from San Fran told me she was leaning towars W. She said she never voted Republican in her life. I think she is in her 40s.

grumpy

Tora Bora has been a consistent talking point

In the past month or so. And today after the OBL video aired, when on national news he didn't say it.....just the same-o "I will do it better" crap BUT then when he went to a MN local station said......."Aand Bush let him escape......"

We had agreed with the general emir Mohammed Atta, God bless his soul, to carry out all operations within 20 minutes before Bush and his administration noticed. It never occurred to us that the commander in chief of the American armed forces will leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face these horrors alone.

It appeared to him (Bush) that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers. That gave us three times the required time to carry out the operations, thank God.

I'm glad OBL was so concerned about the horrors being faced by those in the towers.

Is he implying that somehow Bush could have done something in the 15 minutes between when the two towers were hit to save the South Tower.

Besides being a murderous asswipe, he is also a lying sack o' sh!t.

It appeared to him (Bush) that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers. That gave us three times the required time to carry out the operations, thank God.

Can you believe the gall of CBS - I want to just spit reading this shit:

A Rough Week For President Bush
CBS News, by David Paul Kuhn

The airing of a tape of Osama bin Laden capped a week of bad news for President Bush that threatened to derail his candidacy in the final days of the presidential election. For Mr. Bush, it was one piece of bad news after another – news reported of hundreds of tons of explosives looted in Iraq, tens of billions more for the war. And late this afternoon, a tape of bin Laden airing nationwide,

#25 RGBD Johnson

A Google News search for Kerry "Tora Bora" gives 1,420 hits

General Google search gives 39,500 hits

I think it's safe to say that he mentioned it pretty consistently.

I'd sugest Indepundit's take- HERE

OBL is using the Kerry word "mess"....interesting.

Why doesn't he just have his portrait done with a VOTE FOR KERRY sign?

#37 mpax

My letter to CBS news:

Could you please answer this question. Do you morons actually believe the crap you are pushing or are you smoking crack when you make up your news and interpretations of the facts?

It's obvious that OBL is trying to swing the election to Bush. With Bush reelected, the discord in the West continues, the jihadists gain more recruits, America becomes further demonized in the world, and Osama and his gang are happy.

We all know the terrorist follow our news closely, etc.

I have not seen MM's movie (why bother) but I have heard and seen several snippets.

Reading the.....ah.......*shrug* speach of OBL, sure sounds like he has seen it and is all but following it point by point.

Am I wrong?

#56 fadoop

And they keep getting hunted down and blown up without the chance to take pesky infidels and earning their virgins.

Yeah, great plan if thats the case.

Moron

Oh well, it looks like we didn't get him ... yet. One of the interesting things about Osama bin Laden's October Surprise tape is that he uses many of the same propaganda memes that are being pushed by leftists such as Michael Moore. These include the "Bush is Hitler" meme ...

He passed on tyranny and oppression to his son, and they called it the PATRIOT act, under the pretext of fighting terror.

... the "stolen election" lie ...

Bush the father did well in placing his sons as governors and did not forget to pass on the expertise in fraud from the leaders of the (Mideast) region to Florida to use it in critical moments.

... and the "My Pet Goat" slur, straight out of Fahrenheit 911.

It appeared to him (Bush) that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers.

There could be no better evidence of the way in which left-wing propaganda helps the terrorists.

#26 Lerxt
Great Point. UBL will find out what highly motivate Marines can do.

By the way 90 Rangers killed thousands of Somoli's during the Blackhawk issue, and every guy wnated back out the next day to kick some ass...It was that pussy Clinton, his ashole sec. def. who said no and then retreated.

I have a clue to the civilized world.

If they take a hostage, Add a Regiment to the GWOT
If they kill a hostage, Add a Division
If they commit and act of terrorism, hunt down the bad guys family, kill'em and level their home town and then salt the gorund with our air power.

UBL..tha noise you hear is the USMC..FU

Did I really just type "speach" ROFL

Make that a speech, will ya?

#37 mpax #55 Kragar

You are so right. I couldn't even finish that piece. I almost threw up but I am at work so.........

#33 Blackhorse

Kerry no doubt has much blood on his hands.

I didn't even mention US withdrawl of SE Asia and the rise of Pol Pott and his liquidation (2 million) of 25% of the Cambodian population. Another legacy faintly related to John Kerry and his anti-American crusade.

Real quick. I saw something somewhere about more money for the Iraq war. Anyone able to substantiate that? Told my girlfriend not to believe everything she read out of the UK.

But yeah CBS needs to STFU. CBS News Personified

Will somebody Fisk this, please? It's dying for it. I know, how about a group fisk? I'll start.

To the American people, my talk to you is about the best way to avoid another Manhattan,

See, if you want to convince Americans that you understand them and that you have anything worthwhile to say to them, it might help to use the parlance of Americans. Try "9/11" or "September 11th," or something. No one, anytime, anywhere, has referred to these attacks as "Manhattan."

about the war, its reasons and its consequences .. I tell you: security is an important element of human life, and free people do not give up their security.

No, that's just backwards. Free people give up their security all the time. It's the very definition of freedom! Please, we're barely into this and you're already not making sense. You're going to lose me if you don't say something smart, right now.

Unlike what Bush says that we hate freedom, let him tell us why didn't we attack Sweden, for example.

You asked, and I shall answer. You're not a good tactician at all. If you were, you never would have picked a fight with the most bad-ass people on earth), but even a stopped clock is right twice a day. You know very well that if you cut off the head, the body dies. If you attacked Sweden, then Belgium, then France, then England, then Canada, we'd be on to you and we'd be able to prevent you from ever attacking us. No, what you knew was that if you managed to paralyze the US, you could cut off the head of Western Civilization and the rest of it would wither and die. You counted on your strongest opponent being, in your words, a "weak horse." If we were, your plan would have been brilliant, but we're not so it wasn't.

Besides, what makes you think Sweden is "free" by any stretch of the imagination? It's a socialist state with little economic liberty. The Swedes are not free. They're not in physical chains, but they're in economic ones.

----

Okay, someone take it from here...

wow..is it just me or does osama sound like michael moore? if osama was fatter i would say they were the same person. and does he really end the speech telling how support for israel and the war on terror (aka voting for bush) will lead to "more of the same"

so a question must be asked:

do Osama and kerry have the same speech writers?

The interesting thing is that Bin Laden mst believe the US public is swallowing all that Moore puke. Sort of how the North Vietnamese licked thier chops over the antics of the anti-war movement here. Shades of Kerry, @1971. Things have come full circle.
This serves as a timely new example of how our political so-called debate gives aid and comfort to the enemy in the hands of the radical elements. I don't believe Willkie ever undermined FDR this way.

I had to write CBS! I HAD tooooo!

A Rough Week For President Bush

NEW YORK, Oct. 29, 2004

Bush In Ohio

President Bush responded to the Osama bin Laden tape in Toledo, Ohio. (Photo: AP)

Al Jazeera network aired a videotape in which Osama Bin Laden criticized President Bush. (Photo: CBS)

The latest from CBS News reporters and analysts on the 2004 campaign:

What Could Go Wrong: Part II
By Jarrett Murphy

Surprise Swing States
By David Paul Kuhn

Divided We Stand
By Dick Meyer

Jump Ball
By Dotty Lynch

Confessions of a Moderator
By Bob Schieffer

-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
More campaign news:

Washington Wrap

Trail Bytes

CBS News Polls

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Interactives:

Campaign 2004

The Debates

Electoral Vote Map

The Democrats

The Republicans

(CBS) By David Paul Kuhn,
CBSNews.com chief political writer
-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

The airing of a tape of Osama bin Laden capped a week of bad news for President Bush that threatened to derail his candidacy in the final days of the presidential election.

That's it! I am done with you! I hope you enjoy the fact that Drudge has more integrity than Dan Rather. I was so unwilling to give up on CBS all together. I knew the news was corrupt after the whole FAKE documents, and even worse, your defense of them. But I figured, okay, I just won't watch the NEWS. I love the daytime shows, but I am perfectly happy to go BACK to One Life to Live and General Hospital. I never switched to CBS form the ALl My Children hour- but now- they have me for GOOOD! I am done with you! I hope this was worth it. You lost a lifer, for a lifetime over your NEWS (Propaganda) You do realize that CBS now stands for Commy Bull S!#&, don't you? YOu are the laughing stock of dependable and accurate. After the NYT fiasco and now your crap today with such bull headlines- I am done! Tell Lockhart how great he is when you cry in your beers together on Nov 3rd. FUnny- you were exposed by a guy with the access to MICROSFT WORD, and destroyed by YOURSELVES!!! HA HA HA!!!

#56 fadoop

It's obvious that OBL is trying to swing the election to Bush. With Bush reelected, the discord in the West continues, the jihadists gain more recruits, America becomes further demonized in the world, and Osama and his gang are happy.

If you believe that, you know absolutely nothing about Islam.

Can things possibly get any more weird. I honestly expect a space ship to land between now and Tuesday, and the little green men will express their support for Kerry. I am glad I am alive to see all this. It's like a movie. A bad movie.

It appeared to him (Bush) that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers. That gave us three times the required time to carry out the operations, thank God.

bin-laden is a deluded nut-case. If he truly see's reality the same way he speaks then he is living in an 'Alice in Wonderland' state. Thank god for us that he has no idea about the western psyche or we could have been in real danger from these deluded [bigoted word]s. They are convinced that the more they hit us the more we will cower and relent. I would have thought they would have worked this out about us by now. Unlike them we we know the true meaning of 'honour' and it has nothing to do with an all pervading sexual repression. I almost feel sorry for their child-like thinking. Almost

Ya think Osama wants us to be socialists????

Hmmmm? Sounds like a vote for Nader, then again, it has to be Kerry- cause Moore ain't on the ticket.

#67 MPAX

FDR was a democrat...After many many years of leading this country anyone who is a member of that party running for office thinks they have a right to be there as opposed to a chance to take the office. As such Kerry is convinced that his defeat of Bush in this election is more important than the possibility he might "inadvertantly" give aid and comfort to the enemy.

That's me being nice to him by ascribing a certain amount of bias that I see from him and not claiming he's an out-right traitor, which could be argued convincingly.

I am amazed at you. Although almost four years have passed since the [11 September] incidents, Bush is still practising distortion and confusion.

incidents......... incidents!............ incidents!!!

Yep, Bush distorted that Twin Tower INCIDENT.
We all just thought we saw mass of twisted steel.

I cannot believe how angry I am today. The OBL's of this world want to kill us all and the crazed MSM is helping them!

Thanks to those who have answered my question about Kerry on this thread and another.

The fact that Kerry, who recently has been revealed as having literally been in bed with the administration of North Vietnam and the communist party, leaves me quite concerned about his fitness for office, in ways that I never could have imagined.

More on this in my reply on the previous thread.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I think President Bush wins in a landslide, and takes both Houses and more than one governership with him on the ride.

Thank you for your help!

#39 mpax

Being Kerry means never having to say you're sorry.

Being a democrat currently means never having to say you're sorry or wrong. I think most posters here remember a time when, regardless of your political party, we were all Americans at the end of day and loved being apart of something bigger than yourself (military people clearly understand the point). The Reagan 80's come to mind, but its late on my end of the pond and I am being nostalgic.

#63 Buckeye Abroad

I remember Pol Pot very well. Today’s youth and many liberals think it is just something you smoke.

Lets be honest here, they could care less about the millions of innocent people killed. As long as it doesn't happen here, who cares? (sarcasm)

Sorry for the bogus link, folks. Posted while trying to do too many other things at the same time...

Thanks for the immediate corrections, editor-minions.

I just got home so I have not read the other posts..This quote is the message to the whole rambling of this goat poker.

OBL: Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or Al Qaeda. Your security is in your hands. Each state that doenst mess with our security has automatically secured their security

If your state votes for Kerry, we will leave your state alone! He understands the electoral system..

Am I nuts, or is this what you read?

#76
As I recall it, Reagan won American's heart because he pointed up from the muck and despair and reminded Americans of what it is we loved, and why America was and remains a special place. As we all recall, it was Carter's national malaise he was really running against.

#79 greenmiler
Nah. State in that context is almost certainly "nation"

79 greenmiler

That's what I've been pondering. That's the only statement that stood out to me from all the other listed. Yes MM helped him on this one, and the other traitor helped him watch the DVD and explain the American psych to him which is shown clearly in this tape and all the key DEM/MM talking points.

A friend of my enemy is my enemy.

OT What's up with this new emineme video? Saw part of it on Fox, looked pretty sympathetic to OBL and AL-Q to me from the small portion they showed. Than they had this dimmy talking with O'Reilly saying, I know what's going on in the street etc, we got people with Degrees who cant get a job, well pull up your pants and taken the nose rign out and you might get one, or move to another state, the military is hiring. Sheesh.

#33 Blackhorse

Kerry no doubt has much blood on his hands.

and the suffering of many POWs

#79 greenmiler

I read it that way.

But then how do you tie that in with neither Bush nor Kerry statement.
I still think he is following the MM moive points. They do not understand us IMHO.
Not our system of gov or our backbone.

81

This was the quote just before that line

Male presenter: the final part of the message is that the security of the Americans depends on the policy that they execute despite the winner of the elections.

In other words, Kerry can win but your state is still not safe.

'the policy they execute'VOTE....'despite who wins the election'

I am sorry, but I just read this crap and while the tape itself may be authentic, I do not believe for one minute that it is OBL.

I wouldn't put it past some anti-Israel/anti-Bush group to have put this junk together, hired some "actor" who has studied OBL's voice, hired a really good makeup artist, etc and voila, there you have it, just before the election.

Total crap from a layperson's point of view.

OT

Newsmax says Zogby predicts Kerry win. This election will go down and the most lopsided slant and skewing of the news, polls, analysis, etc., by the media of all time. Bush will win by a blowout, and for good measure the Clintons will tip their hand by Monday. If they feel it is really close, they will unleash the ace in the hole they have on Kerry and it will be devastating. Only in the effect of a weekend surprise will show it's true sponsers were the Clintons, as they are too politically astute to leave a trail to their door. On the other hand, if they know that the race will be a solid Bush win, they will withhold their tokens. Bush actually may win this in a Reagan type landslide, irrespective of the attempts and fraudulant activity of the democratic party. Truth for the left has become a oxymoron and no longer exists in their lexicon.

Obviously a joke.

"Commander in Chief" Yeah, right.

Male presenter: the final part of the message is that the security of the Americans depends on the policy that they execute despite the winner of the elections.

I read that as "Do exactly as we tell you to do in all things in the future, be our slaves tied to us by fear.....and we may just let ya live."

Un-huh. How about one terrorist act and we bomb one of your o' so holy shrines. Next one, next shrine.....all the way to Mecca.

#77 Blackhorse

As long as it doesn't happen here, who cares?

Children placing plastic sacks over their own parents heads in order to fulfill the utopian dream.

Turning in your family for a crust of bread.

Bearing false witness against your neighbor to gain a brief respite.

Nah, could never happen here. (sarcasm?)

#80 mpax

Reagan won American's heart because he pointed up from the muck and despair and reminded Americans of what it is we loved, and why America was and remains a special place.

I believe still we are a blessed nation and keep the faith that most Americans still love what is special about the good ol' of USA. Its worth fighting, and if need be, dying for.

He's talking to red states, fly over country..He can't threaten CA and NY, the're for Kerry anyway..Redstates aren't scared of him. he hit NY to cripple the economy and it didn't work and he got his ass run out of Afganistan for it. The only way he can tilt this election is to threaten the red states1

Your security is in your own hands and each state which does not harm our security will remain safe.

Americans, it is really very easy for you. You have a decision to make. If you roll over and surrender to Islam, we will not harm you.

(Except for forcing you to eat what we eat, wear what we wear, pray how we pray, watch what we watch, write what we write....)

#91

Each and every state that does not tamper with our security

Nah. When did Tenn attack them? ;)

Does anyone find it a little strange, he never used the word 'INFADELS'?

Osama always uses 'INFADELS'

strange.........

But then how do you tie that in with neither Bush nor Kerry statement.

He can't say 'vote for kerry or we'll kill you', it would backfire.

#71 deadmaus

Try this article:http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110002122

for an excellent explanation of the Al Quaeda mind and why we err if we think they think the way we do. Cleared up a lot of puzzles for me.

Also, Dr. Sanity has a good post on the sociopathic personality at her blog.

greenmiler

They hate us. All of us. They want to kill all of us no matter what we do.
Kill us, our children, our grandchildren...hell, even our dogs. And the poor pig farmers........sheesh! ;)

WE are at war! We can either surrender or fight.

I choose fight.

I find one thing great about this. IF it is not fake, we know he is alive now and can find the SOB. I hated the thought of OBL/Elvis sightings for the next 40 years.

97

You are right! F him! I think he is threatening the red states, the only way he can win..I live in a red state and it only makes me want to vote for Bush even more

Don't tell me how to vote or there will be violence...OBL is a dem , apparently

#90 Buckeye Abroad

I'm with you and what you say. Why are so many people blind as to their surroundings.

Good example: Look what’s going on in our public schools. Many are now teaching our children Islam and how to take on islamic names and dress their culture.

This is great! His offer not to attack if we leave them alone tells me that GWB was absolutely right to go into Iraq. It's the tar-baby syndrome....our troops are mowing them down by the thousands, which makes OBL's pool of recruits smaller, and every nut who wants to die for Allah is tripping over himself to go kill the infidels in Iraq, which makes OBL's pool of recruits smaller. We're hurting them, BAD, so bad he's almost crying 'Uncle'....but I want to hear him cry 'Uncle Sam....please Uncle Sam....please no more Uncle Sam'....so some grunt can have a laugh as he sticks a grenade up OBL's slimy a$$ and walks away.

#96/ o.g. sal

Great article from the WSJ.

The other thing I have heard/ read -- a while ago so I can't quote sources-- was that part of OBL's frame of reference is the belief that the mujaheddin are responsible for kicking the Soviets out of Afghan (they ignore the fact they had US help), and as a result, to their way of thinking, the Soviet Union collapsed. If they could do it to the USSR, they think, they can do it to the US, the other great infidel power. Part of their intent is to cripple the US economy by war and terrorism, and render us unable to project power in the Middle East. The fantasy aim (no surprise here), is a Middle East free of infidel influences and ultimately the spread of Islam world-wide.

Alright now, let's all think, why would OBL make a pro-Kerry commercial the weekend before the election?

Is this really a terrorist threat to the red states to not vote for Bush/Cheney?

The last time al-qaida tried to influence an election and defeat an incumbant they blew up a subway system in Spain. They didn't run a commercial for the socialist party.

What OBL and a-q do with these tapes is send signals to their cells. The OHS must be shitting a brick right now.

The administration announced that they will not raise the security level. It is just too close to the election to do that without absolute evidence. The Dems would just scream politics. I have to believe that it's super secret code red (at least dark orange) right now.

It's also possible that OBL gets his own PR and political advice, and he might be advised that an attack on the US wouldn't necessarily bring a Spanish result. Or just the fact that he showed his face underscores Kerry's campaign theme that GWB let him get away. It's just that OBL has never been that nuanced in the past.

#99 Blackhorse

Why are so many people blind as to their surroundings.

Because to admit or recognize the reality, and its subsequent consequences, scares the sh*t out of them.

Look what’s going on in our public schools. Many are now teaching our children Islam and how to take on islamic names and dress their culture.

Hence the rise in home schooling and private/parachiol rates. I have faith in the American youth, they don't buy the enforced indoctrination for a minute (at least in my experiences) simply because its NOT reinforced at home. The public schools are a lost cause anyway, while the NEA reigns with any influence.

#96

our gal sal

Ahh, thanks for that link, that's kinda how I thought these tally-whackers think but could not put it into words.

So this is all about the Lebanese invasion in 1982?

All this time I was under the impression Osama was upset about US troops in the Tragic Kingdom.

According to OBL the Gulf War had little to do with the 9-11 attacks on the USA.
American Military in Arab countries was also not the issue.

The USA supporting Israeli is the issue.

"but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind.
While I was looking at those destroyed towers in Lebanon, it sparked in my mind that the tyrant should be punished with the same and that we should destroy towers in America"

Yet the bleeding heart liberals insist we pull out of Iraq to achieve peace.

Hello Biff-

Could to see you again. Ready for Tuesday?

Bin Laden is praising
Michael Moore film.

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

This should help Bush.

This transcript looks like it was written by a liberal, not OBL. Not even if he was hit on the head with a large stalactite. I suspect either Dan Rather or John Kerry has been writing these. Both are proven compulsive liars who apparently get a mental woody from BSing.

1. First person voice (I, me.. I, I...) Guess in 01, he felt like part of a big happy family, using "we" instead of "I".

2. Focus on American issues (that's so not OBL).

3. Use of the word God instead of Allah (though a 2001 transcript did it once too.) He (or the translators) need to sort out their deities.

There must be people busy doing sentence construction, grammar, language usage, style, and content comparisons with other known statements.

Anyone can run Microsoft Word Grammar checks and use manual searches to compare words or phrases that look unusual or uncommon.

The 04 transcript:

bin laden transcript 2004

Bin Laden transcript text at the beeb from 2001:

bin laden transcript 2001

We could play with Word's Tools > Spelling & Grammar command. While there's tons more to examine, it does give some data for comparison. Here's my results:

2004 transcript:
[Manual searches: This document uses "my" two times and "I" three times. The word "God" is used three times. (Why not Allah?) "al-Qaida" is used once.]
Counts:
Words - 622
Characters - 2873
Paragraphs - 17
Sentences - 26
Averages:
Sentences per paragraph - 2.4
Words per sentence - 21.8
Characters per word - 4.5
Readability:
Passive sentences - 15%
Flesch Reading Ease - 57.7
Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level - 10.6

2001 transcript:
[Manual searches: The words "I" and "my" are not used in this document. Instead, a manual search shows it uses "we" three times and "us" twice. Does this mean OBL is alone in 2004 whereas he felt part of a group in 2001? Also, the word "God" is used once. "al-Qaeda" is used once.]

Counts:
Words - 398
Characters - 1935
Paragraphs - 19
Sentences - 20
Averages:
Sentences per paragraph - 1.1
Words per sentence - 19.9
Characters per word - 4.7
Readability:
Passive sentences - 15%
Flesch Reading Ease - 56.1
Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level - 10.3

I can respond to the OBL's message with three words: Kill More Jihadists

The king of the Moonbats trying to use psychological warfare to persuade the American voters. Using the language of Michael Moore and the DBS talking points.

The all too familiar refrain of the Americans and the Jooos!

We all know the crowd he is singing to.

I hope all this does is remind non LLL Americans of how pissed off we were after 9/11. I know it's got my blood boiling.

We are at war, and we are not Spain.

Do we have any links to transcripts of real OBL statements? I mean this statement is really creepy -- that theraputic blathering that passes for intelligent discourse in the LLL. All about feelings. (Or, as my husband the scientist pronounces it, "FEEEEEEELEEENNNNNNNNGS" right after which he points out that there facts out there, and then rants on about the communications professor who explained that she doesn't like science because there are right and wrong answers.)

Everything I remember seeing that is real OBL quotes consists of stilted over-flowery language, punctuated with pious interjections. I've also seen expert opinions that claim that arabic is a very pompous, flowery language. This crap in these latest transcripts gives me that embarressed creepy feeling that I often get from LLL stuff, or watching Oprah, where I feel like I have inadvertently overheard someone's conversation with his/her therapist...

If this is an extremely "loose" translation, then I have to wonder if all of the recent references were simply inserted by the "translater". But my most probably bet is that this is a fake tape, with some stock footage of OBL which is over-dubbed by somebody who has seen F911, if not the person who filmed F911...

cathy :-)

I've been gone all day, but heard all the commentary on the radio and I have but one question: does anyone else think it a curious coincidence that bin Laden would come out of hiding 4 days before the election to campaign for Kerry by parroting Mikey the Liar's Farhenheit 9/11?

There is something wrong with this picture.

cathyf

But my most probably bet is that this is a fake tape, with some stock footage of OBL which is over-dubbed by somebody who has seen F911, if not the person who filmed F911...

You're not the only one thinking that.

OBL is bitching about the Patriot Act? Funny, I never took him to be a strict constitutionalist? I guess he's not too happy about the possibility of the marriage amendment. Wonder what his take on stem cell research is. He's probably pissed, and claims that if Kerry is president, his kidney problem probably will be solved. This HAS to be a joke, right? I'm waiting for his complaints about tax cuts for the rich.

OBL is just another anti-Christ.

Blaming the Jews, whining about Arab/Muslim national pride (the ummah) at the hands of the non-Muslims (instead of their own barbaric backwardness). Denigrating the world leaders that stand up to him.

Yup, this guy is Hitler all over again. And he's got his own Leni in Moore.

Why does it seem that history just keeps repeating itself?

115

Throbert McGee in another thread linked to Evariste in another thread who watched the tape in Arabic and thought it was genuine, ie, Osama wasn't lip synching.

Just a couple of notes, not at all a full fisking.
4th paragraph
God knows that it had not occurred to our mind . . .
. . . this came to my mind.

5th paragraph
In these tough moments, . . .
TOUGH?

9th para.
. . . Bush the father did well in placing his sons as governors. . .

Nota bene: This is not a kingdom like Saudi Arabia.

Last para.
. . . Any state that does not mess with our security has naturally guaranteed its own security.

MESS WITH?

I can't help doubting the authenticity of flowery, otiose original Arabic, even in translation, that uses these vernacular American terms.

Anyone else notice this usage?

I'm a little behind on all this so I'm sorry to be a dork but there are two tapes out? There's the one with the American accent and there's the one of Osama?

#120 zulubaby,

Yes, the "American accent" guy is Adam Gadhan (Pearlman), a Wahhabist convert from SoCal who apparently is now in Pakistan with Al Qaeda. And now Binny has come out of hiding to campaign for John Kerry... wunnerful, ain't it?

ZB

3 days ago Adam Pearlman had an English language al Q tape threatening blood in the streets.

Osama's tape is in Arabic, but numerous different translations are available (I heard at least tow different translators during different news broadcasts).

Spiny Norman, thanks! I can't keep up with all the trolls (on LGF, in Pakistan and elsewhere).

#118 Ed

OK, gotcha. I hadn't seen the tape, just heard readings of the transcript. And it sounded really phony.

Ed Moran, it was the blood in the streets that had me confused. I thought Osama had said that. I'm afraid of my own shadow but for some reason these impotent, spluttering jihadi tools don't faze me at all. Whatever. Rant on, wankers.

Spiny, evariste said the the Osama snoozer was genuine. I believe it since I've never thought that Osama was dead. I saw a bit of the American guy and had a giggle. He comes across as a complete doos.

#113 cathyf
#115 Spiny Norman

I agree; sorry I missed what you said while I was composing.

What's with the gold robe? Does it have any religious significance?

Two tapes in a week, portions broadcast on tv on two days, back to back. Is a new attack coming? The Adam Pearlman tape had al-Qaeda provided subtitles. Did those subtitles contain code words or messages? Is the existence of the English-language message itself a signal?

Based on past tapes and messages we shoud expect one or more attacks somewhere in the next few days.

After reading the transcript highlights, one would have to be insane to vote for Kerry. Why not just put OBL in the White House with Arafat as VP.

The LLL so needs someone like OBL or stalin or hitler or Soviet union to sell their line of crap to America that its not hard to see why they almost create these animals every chance they get. Bush was happy as a dead pig in the sunshine to work on Americas domestic affairs, before 911 and was driving the Left loonie because he was proving them wrong wrong wrong on every domestic issue..but now they have the great boogie man OBl to try and convince america that we can't win .. we must rely on the "world" to come with us.. and only they can do the cum by ya .. dance that the "world" wants us to step lighty too. Its sicking to see these morons spouting their opinions .. they are almost calling for Bush to be a war criminal put on trial in the world court and i wouldn't rule that out if sKerry gets in. But whats even funnier is the way the moonbat elites put Kerry down, they act like they really are the only ones on earth with the truth and its like 4 people in a little room who have it.. strange people i can only hope the terrorists learn their address too.

#96 o.g.sal

again, a great link on on further reading:

The poison of the radical Islamic fantasy ideology is being spread all over the Muslim world through schools and through the media, through mosques and through the demagoguery of the Arab street. In fact, there is no better way to grasp the full horror of the poison than to listen as a Palestinian mother offers her four-year-old son up to be yet another victim of this ghastly fantasy.

Opinion Journal

#126 zulubaby

He comes across as a complete doos...

In fact, as a luciferdoos (Dutch slang for female mausoleum (Latin slang for brother or sister of Brother #1) with headscarf).

nachtwacht, you're Dutch? I've never heard luciferdoos. Is that like a devil doos? LOL.

Translation of Osama's Speech To America...

So anyway, I was having this weird ass bad dream. I died and met an angel who was awaiting me at what you Americans would call the pearly gates, ok. So he says to me, "Are you ready for your reward?" And of course I am, I mean, all this grief and for what if not the ultimate prize that Allah has assured all males. So, I say yes, and out from a cloud walks this tall man and he marches up to me and kicks me square in the gateway to all womankinds dreams. Now, I am still somewhat frail from being bombed, strafed, gased, and all that, so I fall down. Before I can even gather my wits about me, up walks another man. "Washington let you off easy!" He exclaimed, then punches me straight in the lips of all womankinds dreams. Hurting, bleeding, not understanding any of this, I have no time to respond before yet another man approaches. "My name's Madison," he shouts, "Patrick Henry was too good to you!", the man exclaims just as his fingers dart forth and stab me in the soulfull eyes of all womankinds dreams. It continues I know not how long. Man after man, names ringing in my ears, names I had never heard before. Jefferson, Rudolph, Monroe, and many, many others. I lie there, bleeding, whimpering, crouching before this onslought until I hear the angels voice again. "Okay Osama; there's your 72 Virginians."

#133 zulubaby

guilty as charged...but shouldn't it be obvious (the nightwatch, famous painting by Rembrandt van Rijn, not German (Nachtwache, according to my dictionary) -- what's up with all these silly indo german languages?

Yes, beelzebub box has a nice ring to it, doesn't it? Although I haven't seen an old-fashioned Zwaluw luciferdoosje in ages.

I have just created and put online the

OSAMA BIN LADEN VIDEO RESOURCE PAGE.

It compiles together in one location all the most important and most current resources concerning the video of Osama bin Laden that cropped up on October 29, 2004. On the page you will find:

-- A downloadable/viewable video clip of the full uninterrupted five-minute edited tape of Osama bin Laden speaking, that Al-Jazeera aired and that is the basis for almost all the news reports currently in the media.

-- Links to and the full texts of three different translations of this video, all recently posted online by three different news organizations.

-- A link to and the text of an article from a newspaper in the Indian state of Kerala that discusses what is on the missing 13 minutes of the tape that Al-Jazeera did not broadcast (the original tape delivered to the station was 18 minutes long).

-- A freeze-frame image from the video clip

This is probably the most complete resource page on this topic anywhere on the Internet. I created it for the purpose of identifying portions of bin Laden's speech that mirror almost exactly phrases and ideas expounded by John Kerry, as well as Kerry supporters like Michael Moore and other media figures. But I won't have time to complete that task tonight, so I invite everyone to visit the page and find bin Laden quotes that match Kerry quotes yourselves.

Spread the word!

I'm sorry but I have this ingrained idea from reading Islamic theories that only the Zionists stood to gain from 911.

Therefore it cannot be true that Osama could be behind it.

Now if you look carefully at the picture, it looks like Bush with a beard.

Obviously, only the Mossad, being the masters of disguises have made this possible.

THE VIDEO IS A FAKE!

And only an organization such as Mossad would have the resources to be capable of creating such a perfect fake.

In other words, this can only be a Mossad initiative to get their puppet Bush re-elected.

I just hope that Robert Fisk doesn't see this.

"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry, Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands. Any state that does not mess with our security has naturally guaranteed its own security."

OBL absolutely understands the electoral system.

This is obviously a lame attempt to influence the election but what I think this really means is that each state that votes red will be attacked and anyone who thinks "Nah, it could never happen" obviously needs reminding that these are the freaks that smashed planes into the towers. Those that think "Nah, it could never happen again" obviously need reminding that our borders are still pretty much wide open and the enemy is among us just waiting for the queue to strike.

So why are our borders still completely open?
So why are we waiting to be struck again before we do anything really devastating militarily?

For each video threat like this, also for each one that that threatens a beheading, we ought to level an islamic city. You all might say, "Well, what city? These terrorist have no borders." I say start with the Palestinians. Level it and salt the earth. That would shut em up and if it doesn't level another city until we've shut em up for good!

Come on Bush. You want to get re-elected? Stop pandering to the main stream media who hates you and do something. Get this thing on and over with! The sooner the better for America and the world.

#136 zombie - Thanks zombie! I took the text from the 3 translations and ran them through an Adobe Frame doc compare. It did much better than Word at finding similarities. If nothing else, it is interesting to see how different the translations are. I saved them as PDFs. Tried saving to HTML, but the highlight colors and text attributes (underline versus strikethrough) didn't come through. I think if someone changed the CSS files' color defs for elements, the data may be there. The PDFs are under 50k each.

"It never occurred to us that the commander in chief of the American armed forces would leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face these horrors alone."

---OBL

It never occurred to us that any human being would subject 50,000 people in those two towers to the horrors you inflicted to begin with.

From OBL quote in link off #136 -

Unlike what Bush says that we hate freedom, let him tell us why didn't we attack Sweden, for example.

Maybe because OBL senses that Sweden's closer to being an Islamic state?

What is abundantly clear is that the war on terrorism is causing a great deal of grief for Osama. We are winning, they are losing. The tape is a last ditch plea to get Americans to vote the winner out of office.

"Each and every state that does not tamper with our security will have automatically assured its own security."

So, at the risk of another "failure of imagination", should we anticipate suicide bombers in shopping malls, churches and/or schools during the holiday season in states that don't vote in favor of the Socialists... er, I mean, Democrats?

F*ck you, Osama! Isn't it time for your dirt nap?

The MSM and their pundits have spun this since the viewing of the OBL tape that this helps Kerry. I am what they have titled a 'security mom' and cannot take this election anymore or the propaganda being forced on us! Do they really think we are that stupid?? Are we really that stupid?? Would the American people fall for Kerry's, the DNC and MSM lies?

Kerry is a man who for 20 years has voted to cut every weapon development, voted to cut support for our troops, voted to cut and gut our military and security systems. Voted to decimate our intelligence system after 9-11, missed over 73% of Senates Security meetings after 9-11, has told Rolling Stone Magazine recently he will get rid of the color coded Home Land Security Plan, has said he will treat terrorism more as a police action and not as a 'war', says that we must begin treating terrorism more as a nuisance, who has as in 1971 demoralized our troops by saying they didn't do a good job in securing Iraq after it truly was a miraculous historical military triumph, trying to take away their honor and glory in battle, picked Joseph Biden for his Secretary of State, Has voted against our government and for the UN every chance he got, receives his advice from Bill Clinton and his worthless staff who for 8 years couldn't lift a finger to defeat the terrorists after we had multiple terrorists attacks on our country....whose wife said this week to a crowd of over 300 that she believe Homeland Security should be more about keeping children warm and making sure they have breakfast... I could go on and on!!

Now, the MSM expects us to believe that he will do a better job than the Bush Administration who has destroyed over 75% of Al Qaeda? Has freed Afghanistan and brought liberty to those people with elections, has destroyed the Saddam Hussein regime who WAS working with OBL (the press can spin it otherwise, but look at the documents found in Baghdad that verify it.) Has built up our military, has build up our national security, has built up our intelligence, has created the Homeland Security Dept., has set terrorism as his number 1 goal to destroy in his administration.

Does the MSM think that we are that stupid? Do they really think we will forget the killing of 3,000 Americans in 9-11, the terrorism in Madrid, the slaughter of over 400 children in Russia last month?

They now want to shovel out 4 days of lies, distortions and twisted reality to convince us this will be good for Kerry? You cannot deny history. We are no longer soccer moms, we are security moms and we have been paying attention who cares about our families and wants to protect our country!

#96 our gal sal
If you appreciate that article, Lee Harris has a book -- Civilization and its Enemies I think -- highly recommended.

Over @ Drudge:

CRONKITE: KARL ROVE BEHIND BIN LADEN TAPE
Sat Oct 30 2004 16:31:19 ET
Former CBSNEWS anchorman Walter Cronkite believes Bush adviser Karl Rove is possibly behind the new Bin Laden tape.
Cronkite made the startling comments late Friday during an interview on CNN.
Cronkite said he is "inclined to think that Karl Rove, the political manager at the White House, who is a very clever man, he probably set up bin Laden to this thing."
Interviewer Larry King did not ask Cronkite to elaborate on the provocative election eve accusation.