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Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 7:02:32 pm PST

MEMRI’s translation and analysis of the Osama bin Laden videotape, verified by a radical Islamist web site, reveals that the video was calling for the defeat of George W. Bush and offering a pact of protection (dhimmitude) to US states that don’t vote for Bush: Osama Bin Laden Tape Threatens U.S. States Not to Vote for Bush.

The tape of Osama bin Laden that was aired on Al-Jazeera(1) on Friday, October 29th included a specific threat to “each U.S. state,” designed to influence the outcome of the upcoming election against George W. Bush. The U.S. media in general mistranslated the words “ay wilaya” (which means “each U.S. state”)(2) to mean a “country” or “nation” other than the U.S., while in fact the threat was directed specifically at each individual U.S. state. This suggests some knowledge by bin Laden of the U.S. electoral college system. In a section of his speech in which he harshly criticized George W. Bush, bin Laden stated: “Any U.S. state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security.”

The Islamist website Al-Qal’a explained what this sentence meant: “This message was a warning to every U.S. state separately. When he [Osama Bin Laden] said, ‘Every state will be determining its own security, and will be responsible for its choice,’ it means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president has chosen to fight us, and we will consider it our enemy, and any state that will vote against Bush has chosen to make peace with us, and we will not characterize it as an enemy. By this characterization, Sheikh Osama wants to drive a wedge in the American body, to weaken it, and he wants to divide the American people itself between enemies of Islam and the Muslims, and those who fight for us, so that he doesn’t treat all American people as if they’re the same. This letter will have great implications inside the American society, part of which are connected to the American elections, and part of which are connected to what will come after the elections.”(3)

Another interesting aspect of the speech is the fact that while bin Laden made his specific threat to each U.S. state, he also offered an election deal to the American voters, attempting to influence the election by these means rather than influencing it through terrorist attacks.(4) This peace offer is a theme that follows up on his April speech directed to Europe, in which he offered a truce.(5) The Islamist website Al-Islah explains: “Some people ask ‘what’s new in this tape?’ [The answer is that] this tape is the second of its kind, after the previous tape of the Sheikh [Osama bin Laden], in which he offered a truce to the Europeans a few months ago, and it is a completion of this move, and it brings together the complementary elements of politics and religion, political savvy and force, the sword and justice. The Sheikh reminds the West in this tape of the great Islamic civilization and pure Islamic religion, and of Islamic justice...”

MEMRI TV has a much higher resolution MPEG video capture of the Al Jazeera edited video, and their own translation.

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1 N.A. PALM  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:05:32pm

That is exactly what he did.

2 Final Historian  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:08:24pm

Damn it, this is straight out of Michael Moore's mouth. I mean, he said "why New York, they didn't vote for Bush?" Now he is saying: if you vote Bush, we will attack you, if you don't vote Bush, we will leave you alone. Is Bin Laden on Michael Moore's speed dial?

3 Nigella  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:09:45pm

O.T. That wonderful friend of the U.S China blasts the Bush Doctrine saying Bush has destroyed the cooperation on the war on terror by his pre-emptive actions. I bet that will really sway the electorate, as China is such a pillar of human rights.Any bets on who they want for president?

4 Roger  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:09:48pm

This should be translated into every state giving their electoral votes to Bush. Period.

5 OilStooge  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:09:52pm

It bothers me that a faulty translation would be shown.

Also concerned about the latest Gallup showing BC down in FL and OH.

6 eeevil conservative  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:09:55pm

So when is the MSM going to tell us this???

Is Osama coming in on 60 minutes for a puff=piece tonight?

7 Hammertime  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:10:46pm

OBL is offering "...protection to US states that don’t vote for Bush"? What is he going to say to New York - "Hey, I owe you one!"?

8 LarryW2LJ  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:11:18pm

I live in NJ, about 20 miles or so from NYC and the site of Ground Zero.

Hey, Osama, kiss my @$$.

No deals! You might have heard of one of founders, Benjamin Franklin. He had this to say about your threats:

"We must all hang together; or we most assuredly will all hang seperately".

9 conservati  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:12:27pm

I feel that something good is about to happen, not sure what but it will be big enough to send Bush way over the top. I hope my feeling is right.
It would suck to have sKerry.

10 Minstrel  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:13:07pm

All bin Laden's statement does to me is strengthen my conviction that I did the right thing when I voted for Bush (I voted early through absentee voting).

11 moflicky  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:14:29pm

OT

Katie Couric is airing an anti-bush economy and healthcare hit piece disguised as a news magazine story right now on MSNBC .

12 markjhawk  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:15:52pm

MEMRI is well respected...

Quotes About MEMRI

"The respected Middle East Media Research Institute.. ."
- Roll Call, May 26, 2003

"I hope you receive MEMRI's publications. I do. I find its material – translations and analyses of poisonous articles, hate-filled statements and slanderous accusations – vitally needed for the fight against antisemitism in the Arab world. Policy makers, legislators, teachers, and news commentators greatly benefit from its efforts to use truth in the service of peace."
- Elie Wiesel, May 22, 2003

"the indispensable scholars at the Middle East Media Research Institute"
-The Weekly Standard, May 26, 2003

"Thanks to the translators at the Middle East Media Research Institute,Americans can get a much better sense of the message coming from the Arabic-language press throughout the Middle East. Their work helps combat those who would murmur messages of peace and tolerance to Western ears, and then incite hatred and extremism to their countrymen in their native tongue."
- National Review Online, May 20, 2003

"You know, you've got things in the Saudi papers running now that thanks to the Middle East Media Research Institute we can read in English translation."
- FOX News, May 16, 2003

"As I was writing this column, I received an E-mail from Memri, the organization that opens the minds of those who cannot read Arabic by distributing almost daily translations of Arabic newspapers and government pronouncements."
- A.M. Rosenthal, New York Daily News, May 16, 2003

"MEMRI, the indispensable group that translates the ravings of the Saudi and Egyptian press..."
- Weekly Standard, April 28, 2003

"The role that MEMRI is playing in bringing the voices of the Arab and Muslim Reform – from Arabic into English, to the world – has been absolutely invaluable for everyone who cares about this process and wants to follow it."
- Thomas Friedman, May 6, 2003

"Let me first express my appreciation to MEMRI, the Middle East Media Research Institute, for invaluable work they’re doing. At a time when the line of division between the civilized world and terrorism is as clear as it is today, MEMRI’s enormously effective work, on behalf of truth, civilization, open press of all types, is deeply appreciated by many of us in the Congress."
- February 4, 2003, Tom Lantos (D-CA), Ranking Democrat of the Committee on International Relations Congressman

"… the website of the Middle East Media Research Institute, which performs the invaluable service of translating Arabic media and sermons into English…"
- January 13, 2003, The Weekly Standard

"… translations from Arabic on websites like [Link: www.memri.org...] let the rest of the world know what Saudis and other Arabs are saying to each other…"
- January 13, 2003, Newsweek

"… the evidence on MEMRI, the estimable Middle East Media Research Institute, [Link: www.memri.org...] ..."
- January 7, 2003, United Press International

"This quote, as many others from the Middle East, can be found on the indispensable website [Link: www.memri.org"...]
- December 19 2002, Die Welt (Berlin)

"It is almost impossible to exaggerate the importance of the work of MEMRI, which sheds lights on aspects of the Middle East that our enemies would prefer to go unnoticed. MEMRI is simply an invaluable asset to any journalist or anyone who wants to understand the Middle East."
- December 13, 2002 National Review, Rich Lowry Editor

13 vtrtl  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:16:10pm

umm...

If the surviving 5th stringers of Al Queda decide to take on the people of, say, Wyoming... well lets just say there won't be any outsourcing of the slaughter of jihadis this time around.

Ditto for a whole bunch of other red states.


And as for 60 minutes... I wouldn't know. I dont watch that POS network anymore. ever.

14 Nigella  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:16:15pm

#11 don't worry no one watches msnbc!

15 markjhawk  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:17:34pm

One other note about MEMRI...since they are so well respected if the MSM fails to carry this it is just one more nail in coffin...

16 Barbara Skolaut  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:18:28pm

bin Loser can kiss my Scottish/German ass! Just like New York, what's he going to do about Virginia? Owe us one?

We're going for Bush, asshole - bring it, you whiny coward! We're waiting.

#2 Final Historian:

Is Bin Laden on Michael Moore's speed dial?

Of course.

17 L88Vette  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:18:42pm

This is Michael Moorish (or is Moore talking Osama Bin Ladish?).

Moore wondered why OBL targeted Manhattan/NYC since it was anti-Bush in the 2000 election.

Yeah, I'm sure OBL and his friends are studying precinct voting. If they really wanted Bush supporters, they'd be going after rural voters in low-electoral vote states.

Not as easy a target as 50,000 commuters in the WTC.

18 will_not_back_down  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:19:15pm

#10 Minstrel

Yep same here voted early and proud.


The rest of this tape needed to come out today with full translation. Waiting until after the election is what they are going to do even if AL-Jizzera gives up the rest.

19 mjean  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:20:24pm

I live in Georgia and am just so scared...NOT.

20 DCMC  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:20:38pm

Gee, I guess Walter Cronkite was wrong...


DCMC

21 SisterLeoMarie  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:21:08pm

Thanks MSM for not reporting the real news, you know,
the news that affects our lives. Hope some day we can
do the same for you. I hold MSM in contempt for their
blind following of Kerry, they remind of the royal ass
kissers, were they called fops, or fobs, can't remember.
They stood with Marie Antoinette when she said to the
masses "Let them eat cake" and applauded Chamberlain
when he kissed Hitler's ass. Now we have Kerry, from
the same mold.

22 theparson  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:21:38pm

Boy, this puts MSM in a tough spot. If they don't air this it could backfire on them for not warning the public, but, if they air it, it will most surely help Bush.

I feel so sad for the MSM being in such a tough spot. Oh, wait, it was just gas... never mind, I'm all better.

23 mjean  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:21:47pm

P.S. Kennesaw GA -- where they once passed a law requiring gun ownership.

24 eeevil conservative  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:23:14pm

As for how I feel on the bin Laden tape?

Well I think I better CHECK THE POLLS FIRST!

25 DocDublU  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:23:43pm

I think that I can speak for all of Arizona with the following response to Osama's threat:

NUTS!

26 Roger  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:23:45pm

#20 DCMC , problem is the same scrapbook can be compiled replacing Saddam with President Clinton.

27 Framework2  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:24:14pm

The problem with this is unless there is actually an attack then this will have no effect. Many people see this as a nusance. The debate is about what happened in the past not whats going to happen in the future. It scares the hell out of me, but I've never recovered from 9-11. The Kerry-More people have gone back to the "before time".

28 theparson  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:24:34pm

Yea, well, there's a few folks in Texas with guns too.

29 applesweet  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:25:40pm

OBL can kiss my unroyal keester. I've already voted for Bush/Cheney.

30 piperfromtn  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:26:01pm

#13
Tennessee too... We proudly support our President and will gladly dispose of any Al Queda that wants to try something here...OBL reminds me of that Monty Python skit where the Knight lost his arms and legs and keeps begging for a fight and the guys says to him "...what ya' going to do, BLEED on me..." Bring it on OBL; our guys in TN will help send you to hell

31 eeevil conservative  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:26:28pm

#23 mjean

OMG!! We are neighbors!!! Acworth GA, here!!!

I love that law ya'll passed!

32 gabe  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:27:12pm

The only hope for this story to get out is FOX news.

If there's anyone from an honest news organization lurking around this site, please realize the importance of this new translation to the United States.

33 Roger  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:27:19pm

#24 eeevil conservative, ahhh now we know what President Bush should have done immediately in the class room on 9/11; take a poll.

34 KWH  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:28:23pm

Yep, even us dumb rednecks in Tennessee wouldn't vote for gore, nore kerry. Maybe weuns aint so dumb after all. ;)

35 Roger  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:28:49pm

#29 applesweet, are you sure? some of those ballots can be really tricky I hear.

36 eeevil conservative  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:28:58pm

Has anyone emailed this to Drudge? He is on live right now!

Roger-LOL!!

37 jmflynny  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:29:15pm

Honestly, I'm not certain that this will help Bush. There are PLENTY of pacifists, more than willing, to beg and plead their/our way out of this.

It could be more effective than we would like to think.

38 MrsEener  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:29:50pm

Check out Palestinian Media Watch

PMW: PA cartoons: Bin Laden deciding US elections

The Palestinian Authority (PA) continues to revere Osama Bin Laden, and
even suggests that he has the power to dictate America's future. In
response to Bin Laden's taunting and vaguely threatening message to the US,
released Saturday by Al-Jazeera, cartoons in two PA dailies today show a
gloating Bin Laden determining the outcome of Tuesday's US presidential
election.

The first cartoon shows a rifle-toting Bin Laden, triumphantly astride the
conquered ballot box, while George Bush and John Kerry - depicted as much
smaller and weaker than Bin Laden -- cower below him.

[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, October 31, 2004]

The second shows a smirking Bin Laden casting what is obviously meant to be
the deciding vote in the US election.

[Al-Quds, October 31, 2004]

39 petermcc  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:31:36pm

Let's see, Kerry wins and asks OBL to get together with him to resolve their differences. OBL laughs so loudly about it that he is discovered by troops who are just about to be pulled out of Afghanistan. Kerry sends Michael Moore in to film an interview with OBL to present to the American people. Big Mike is taken hostage. Well, you've seen what happens to foreign hostages...

40 CommonSense  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:31:51pm

Imagine that Binny trying to influence another election...see example Spain.

So Kerry has been endorsed by NY Times, Hamas and Bin Laden.

41 vtrtl  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:32:17pm

heh...

I've said it before, but the jihadis suffer under an amazing delusion about how America works... of course their delusion gets fed by our media...

I rather seriously doubt AQ is capable of mounting an operation with two jihadis at the same time in the US right now. Their fight for survival is taking place in Iraq, and they are losing it. Wednesday there is going to be a parking lot where Falujah used to be. It pains me to think of the 2 or 3 American soldiers and marines who will probably be killed making it happen. But then I think about my kid's junior high school up the street, just like I know those marines and soldiers do, and I realize they would not want it any other way. And I'd gladly trade places with them. And so would quite a few people I know.

We are not losing this war. And Bush is going to win this election.

regards,

vtrtl

42 Self Hating Muslim  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:32:42pm

The looney left frequently dismiss MEMRI as "a Mossad front" or "a propaganda tool" with no particular evidence to back this.

Curiously (and unsurprisingly) they have never managed to explain why MEMRI merely provides direct (and independently verifiable) translations and therefore how Mossad got the material onto Arab television/media in the first place.

In other words, Palestinian and Arab propaganda is fine, but direct translations of this evil incitement can only be evil Zionist propaganda and is therefore inadmissable.

Get it?

Indy Media Watch

43 piperfromtn  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:32:56pm

As someone said last night, OBL is simply trying to get in touch with his inner ZZ Top...We need to cave to that SOB...NOT

44 SisterLeoMarie  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:32:58pm

Come on over to Western Colorado, Bin Laddey, and
bring all your buddies. The DOW gave out 4,000 Al-Queda Hunting Permits this season, bow hunting, muzzle loading, and rifle.

45 KWH  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:34:54pm
We are not losing this war. And Bush is going to win this election.


I agree, the polls are garbage. We ARE winning the war in Iraq and making other terroist sponsoring "states" sweat bullets.

46 piperfromtn  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:34:57pm

#44 Is there a limit on how many?

47 SisterLeoMarie  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:36:56pm

No limit, new 4 Wheel ATV for the most heads.

48 mjean  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:37:48pm

#31

Hi Neighbor...

Acworth is a nice ..like to shop in the downtown area.
I hope that Ohio, PA, Florida, etc. residents have some guts like we do in Georgia.

49 jjmckay1216  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:38:27pm

Just checked out ABC.COM and read the story on the Bin Laden tape...and guess what?

NOTHING about this new development

JJ

50 nachtwacht  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:39:12pm

I interpreted it this way when the tape first appeared: each individual American state is feared by Arabs, and rightly so:

The state of New York took out Afghanistan.
The state of Ohio took out Iraq.
There are 50 American states.
There are 21 Arab League countries.
Do the math.

Cower in fear, Arab losers.
Stuff that hudna where the sun doesn't shine.

51 jjmckay1216  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:41:03pm

24 check the polls

this from Yahoo

"It's as though he doesn't know what he believes until he has to go and check the polls, his finger in the air, to see which way the wind is blowing and then he'll make a decision," said the vice president, who offered no evidence to back up his claim. "George Bush (news - web sites) doesn't need a poll to know what he believes, especially about Osama bin Laden."

said the vice president, who offered no evidence to back up his claim

Wait. Isn't there a "POLL" from the Kerry Camp, complete with a "Paid for by Kerry/Edwards"???

52 rabidfox  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:41:48pm

Totally OT, but this was sent by my LLL step-mother. I couldn't believe that she sent it on.

Doctors:
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year is 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician are 0.171. Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health Human Services.

***
Guns:
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
Yes, that is 80 million.
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year,
all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.
Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."

Fact: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST
EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand.

Out of concern for the public at large, I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.

53 Framework2  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:41:58pm

The question is if Kerry is elected, will he be able to distance himself from these endorsement? No one truely believes he will be as aggressive against terrorism as Bush. Will they see his election as a show of weakness and demand even more concessions?

54 mich-again  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:42:40pm

So UBL is now negotiating with American voters?

1) He must be wearing out his welcome in the Pakistani village he's hiding in, and knows the $$$ bounty on his head is getting too tempting for the scum helping him hide.

2) He is starting to realize that he is responsible for the death of thousands and thousands of Muslims who would still be alive today if not for his hopeless crusade against the West.

3) He saw the pitiful video of Arafish in his PJ's and wondered if the Pali's are really worth fighting over.

55 SisterLeoMarie  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:43:16pm

We've all decided if Kerry wins we're all quiting
our jobs and going on the government dole. Post Election
Trauma Stress Syndrome. Thanks MSM

56 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:44:20pm
57 LoFlyer  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:44:22pm

UBL has to send out videotape from the compound he is hiding in. He can’t hide forever and I can’t see the US taking him alive to become a martyr. Why did he send out this video at this time? Does he really think he can influence the presidential election? Is he bored because his terror organization is badly crippled and the video provides an outlet for his ego?
Usama is beginning to understand that four more years of Bush is not good for his health. Afghanistan is a complete and stunning victory for Bush with the first democratic elections in the Afghanistan’s history. Iraq is in US hands and is headed down the same path as Afghanistan, but with a lot more blood. Iraq too will have its elections and the US forces will withdraw in victory. This will free up more forces to hunt down UBL and the AQ, not to mention being able to focus on other problem countries like Syria and NK.
A strong Bush victory will send the unmistakable message that America is solidly behind Bush’s aggressive anti-terror policies and the war in Iraq. Usama is living on borrowed time.

58 Stuck-in-CA  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:44:40pm

What's Osama Bin Hidin' gonna do? Dirty Bomb all the Red states only? Islamic dork.

59 CommonSense  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:46:07pm

Good bye Arab TV stations and your Jihad propaganda.

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

60 will_not_back_down  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:48:20pm

54 mich-again

Interesting thought:

2) He is starting to realize that he is responsible for the death of thousands and thousands of Muslims who would still be alive today if not for his hopeless crusade against the West.


Maybe, just maybe. No weapon or banner in video. Or the Iranians wont allow their guest have a gun? LOL.

61 John Schneider  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:50:20pm

#28 theparson

Yea, well, there's a few folks in Texas with guns too.

A few?

That's like saying there's a few experienced women in a house of ill repute!

62 ddd  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:52:48pm

It is high time that the world get serious about the cancer of Islam.

63 mjean  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:55:20pm

Perhaps we will soon find out which of our 50 states are composed of the brave and which will have to hang their heads in shame...

64 SisterLeoMarie  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:55:38pm

It was from an Iranian news website that I first heard about the letter sent from Kerry's Senate Office back in
Feb to the Mehr News Agency in Tehran. Evidently
none of our MSM felt it was important that a guy
running for President in the US was already currying
favor with Iran and bashing our President at the same.
The letter was why Kerry should be our next President.

Seems like the news from the enemy sources are more
reliable than MSM. When Kerry gets elected will he
continue squelching Free Speech and control how the
news gets across the Net too? Seems paranoid but
after everything he's done to get elected, what will
he do once he's got everything at his fingertips.
This election has turned me into a conspiracy theorist.
Damn.

65 Blackeyed Pierce  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:57:31pm

Let's see if we can get this on Drudge.

66 OilStooge  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:57:58pm

Drudge just had a real moonbat call in and endorse Kerry. Some choice quotes:

"The terror war ended when Bush took office..."

"Bush has started a new Cold War with Russia..."

"Clinton worked his tail off trying get bin Laden..."

etc.

67 milk & cookies with Rumsfeld  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 5:59:16pm

#17 L88Vette

Yeah, I'm sure OBL and his friends are studying precinct voting. If they really wanted Bush supporters, they'd be going after rural voters in low-electoral vote states.

Not as easy a target as 50,000 commuters in the WTC.

Precisely, by OBL's own standards he has just crossed D.C., NY, CA, and IL off his list, which contain the most lucrative targets and population centers in the U.S.!

What's he going to do, blow up grain silos in Kansas?!

68 eeevil conservative  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:00:01pm

I hung up on my son's father tonight. He lives in PA and didn't register to vote!!! His reason-- "I never vote." AAARRRGGG!

I said - "Do you realize that your son is 3 yrs away from draft age?" Piss poor! In the past 15 yrs I have never- NEVER bad mouthed him or called him a bad father. I always made excuses for his every shor-coming, God knows I have mine. Slamming his dad doesn't hurt his Dad, it hurts him. I had to hang up before I broke my own rule!

69 applesweet  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:00:47pm

Roger #35

Yep. It's a PAPER ballot and I put it into a locked box.

70 Blackeyed Pierce  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:01:23pm

Nite all.
I sent it to Drudge.

71 grizz  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:01:58pm

OT: language barriers- LLL's have made many (sophmoric) plays on President Bush's name. It appears that "Kerry" has a different meaing in Kurdish:

[Link: kurdo.blogspot.com...]

72 CB  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:03:02pm

Today, I had a stange and chilling moment. I was attending a huge Girl Scouts party with my daughter. It was held in a huge auditorium and there were around a thousand young ladies and their parents there. As I sat there listenting to the singing and music, I suddenly remembered what happened in Russia where the muslim terrorist killed all those kids. I looked around the room at all those beautiful little angles and shuddered as I realized that there were animals eager to kill them if only they could sneak in. As I sat there calculating the very slim odds, I couldn't help but think that under a Kerry "nuisance" administration, those odds would be a bit less slim.

73 Gambisin  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:03:30pm

By God, I thought I heard that "individual state" business from behind the translator!! And I thought I'd forgotten most of my Arabic.
It WAS what I posted yesterday: capitalizing on division i.e. the seeds of civil war are best fertilized by twisting and redirecting existing strife. Hate, frustration, guilt can be more effective than fear. Pity and the sympathetic are even more easily manipulated.
People, the US is about to see the kind of mind f*** the Quran advocates against any enemy with superior arms. A battle of the mind is a "softening the target" technique.
Bin Laden has been stung harder than we realized!

74 eeevil conservative  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:03:36pm

66 Oilstooge

LOL! I heard that too. What on earth was he talking about? None of the three sound like he's even on the same planet! ...nevermind- moonbat explains that!

75 FloridaHeat  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:04:35pm

#48 mjean

6 votes for Bush/Cheney from my family here in Florida, with 6 more votes from my daughter's LLL in-laws.

I went through an intersection in Tampa last weekend, where B/C supporters were holding up signs saying Honk if you are voting for B/C. Lemme tell you, there was a LOT of honking. Later on we passed a similar group for Kerry. The silence was deafening.

76 Jakester  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:05:56pm

I'm sure all the wimps and liberals will jump at a chance to negotiate, so they can establish their moral highground over all us lizaroid types!

77 BorgQueen  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:06:48pm

I really don't think OBL is weakened, at least not in his eyes. He's certainly not offering or coming close to offering any kind of a truce. It's a ruse.

Remember how shocked all those American-hating muslims were in the days after 9/11 because we didn't just fall apart at the seams (much like Spain and the Phillipines did, but that's another story)? He's just trying a different approach. He's appealing to the "soft liberal heart" of America: Give 'em the ol' puppy dog eyes and offer a veiled "I'll stop if you stop" promise and by gosh, that'll work! They'll oust that infidel Bush and we'll have a much easier time of it.

This infidel isn't falling for it.

Spain caved, remember, and look what that got them. A plot to blow up even more of the Spanish government. The Saudis have been buying "protection" from them for years and it seems that plan has backfired, too.

Give in or not, they're not going to just leave the playground.

78 mich-again  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:10:36pm

60 will_not_back_down

Hmm, hiding out in Iran while everyone thinks he's in Pakistan. That makes more sense, considering he'd be shot on sight in Pakistan but adored among the Iranian mullahs. And you're right saying the Iranians wouldn't allow him to be armed. Also, he looks too relaxed to be a guy hiding in a cave wondering if the paki-posse is just around the corner.

And I keep thinking that shit-brown backdrop in his latest video is some kind of clue.

Its perfect. A "Persian brown" is a common pussy(cat). And UBL is the definition of a pussy. Attack like a coward and then go hide. But watching Iraqis die every day over the fight he started is finally getting to the A-hole.

79 lazytart  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:10:42pm

OBTW, for those of you earlier who were asking where Scott Ritter is:

Look what crawled out of his hidey-hole...

An America-hating pedophile?

YOU GOT IT!!

80 KeithW  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:11:33pm

My take on it is that he assumes that Americas are a bunch of scared sheep and that he can use this is an intimidation tactic to try to get Bush out of office. There is no guarantee that he will keep his word. What good is the word of a mass murderer who openly and vehemently hates you anyways? Even if he does keep his word, that doesn’t mean that he will stop attacks on the US. His threat/offer is aimed at each individual state, so even in a “best case” scenario, he’ll still be attacking the US, just being a bit more selective about it. Nothing is mentioned about US citizens and military overseas, so my guess is that we’re “fair game.”

A Kerry victory will be a win-win for Osama as well. Kerry doesn’t have the courage to stand up to him and he’ll have bragging rights to controlled the outcome of a US election. He can keep his word (turning it into more propaganda later on about how lenient he is) while keeping his jihadist minions happy attacking Bush states and Americans overseas.

A Bush victory is a lose-lose for Osama. He’ll still have to deal with Bush making life miserable for him and he won’t be able to gain any propaganda bragging rights.

The attacks are pretty much a non-factor. Regardless of what happens, the attacks will not stop.

When he [Osama Bin Laden] said, 'Every state will be determining its own security, and will be responsible for its choice,' it means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president has chosen to fight us, and we will consider it our enemy, and any state that will vote against Bush has chosen to make peace with us, and we will not characterize it as an enemy…’

81 meemaw970305  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:11:37pm

#66 OilStooge...

"Clinton worked his tail off trying get bin Laden..."

Lol...The only thing Clinton worked his tail off for WAS tail...

82 JimmytheClaw  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:14:20pm

OT

south park is doing a puff daddy vote or die episode. its must see tv.

83 Ray Against The Machine  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:15:39pm

United we stand, divided we fall.

84 mjean  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:15:47pm

#75 Florida seems to still be in play. Hope so. (Spent 5th -- 10th grade in Largo, FLA in my youth).

85 dak  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:16:33pm

Well, sounds like a square deal from a reliable and trusted individual. We should all bet our lives on his promises.

Oh, wait. Isn't there a clause where it's okay to bullshit infidels because they are scum and you will conquer them anyway?

86 Athos  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:18:40pm

#76 Jakester

The thing the el cubos fail to understand is that "negotiations" go a lot easier and faster, when your boot is standing on the neck of the enemy.

87 Owl  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:19:22pm

I have no doubt that the GREAT STATE OF GEORGIA will vote (in a freaking landslide - translate that you muslims)for GEORGE W BUSH - because so many of us are JUST LIKE HIM.


BUCK UP AMERICANS...it's time to TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS!

AMERICA RULES!

88 SisterLeoMarie  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:20:42pm

What better negotiator than Senator John Kerry. By
the time he finished secretly meeting with the enemy
in Paris most of the POWS still held in Vietnam had
learned first hand the lies that came out of Hanoi
Kerry's mouth during his Winter Soldier Testimony.
By the time Kerry finished (along with McCain) negotiating
with the North Vietnamese in the 90's the remaining
POWs were screwed, Kerry slammed shut the door on
any attempts to go in and search, along with MIA
families. Then the Montgard tribes were decimated from
over 3 million to 700,000, thanks to John Kerry.

Once he sends over the nuclear fuel over to Iran to
test whether they intend to use it for power or weapons,
we're f@#$#d. The MSM should have jumped all
over that. Assinine and crazy, the MSM love Kerry.

89 2met  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:22:31pm

Osama sure doesn't understand America if he thinks the "red states vs. blue states" debate revolves solely around him, rather than upon a dozen-or-so major foreign and domestic policy issues. What an egotist!

90 rmunoz  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:22:33pm

That's actually kinda clever in a strange, morbid sort of way.

So if Bush does win, but California votes against him than California don't get attacked.

But what if Kerry wins? Do the States that supported Bush still get attacked? My home State of Texas is going for the President. So let's say the Senator wins, am I still gonna have to watch out for Terrorists sneaking across the border?

I think this is ultimately a minor detail of Osama's speech, and anyway it's doubletalk. The President is gonna win States regardless of who wins the election so Bin Laden is still threatening the United States with an attack.

The Founding Fathers of this country designed the Union to be have a single military that protects the nation as a whole with each branch and division ultimately reporting to the Commander in Chief. Governors are granted some control over their National Guards but the Federal level has national supremecy. Does Bin Laden think the people of this country are that stupid to think that, say, Gov. Rick Perry, has even the slightest say over how Texas National Guard troops are deployed overseas?

Dear Osama,
From the moment this nation was founded, American's have long pledged to each other to protect lives, liberty and our sacred honor. On September the 11th, 2001, you gauranteed a violent end to your pitiable existence. It must be comforting in some way to know how it will all end. The last injustice the families of the victims of your attacks will never see retribution for is the fact that you will be prepared while their loved ones died, many of them asking simply, "why," as the last breath escaped from their lips. I am personally disqualified from military service for various reasons, but that will not stop me rom helping those tasked with the responsibility. I will happily pay the taxes that pay for their weapons and I will lend every ounce of my moral strength to them so they never...NEVER...think that what they are doing is anything other then the absolute right thing to do for not only this great nation but this Earth that you despise so much. I will not cheer upon the news of your death, for unlike you I am no savage. I will, however, be content with the knowledge that with you gone the souls of the people you killed can rest, their families can grieve in peace, and that you are suffering in the deepest, blackest pits of hell.

91 Owl  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:22:48pm

PfreakinS Osama and Crew...


On this -

When he [Osama Bin Laden] said, 'Every state will be determining its own security, and will be responsible for its choice,' it means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president has chosen to fight us, and we will consider it our enemy, and any state that will vote against Bush has chosen to make peace with us, and we will not characterize it as an enemy…’


YOU MUST BE AS STUPID AS YOU LOOK.

Americans WANT you AS AN EMENY, BECAUSE YOU BECAME THE ENEMY WHEN YOU KILLED 3000 OF US YOU MORON. IF YOU DIDN'T WANT US AS YOUR ENEMY, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE LEFT US ALONE. BUT NOW, OH BROTHER...NOW YOU WILL FOREVER HAVE US AS YOUR ENEMY UNTIL YOUR DEAD CARCASS IS VAPORIZED FROM THE PLANET !

G-D THIS CRAP MAKES ME FURIOUS!

92 grimg  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:23:37pm

82 JimmytheClaw

OT: Agreed, once again South Park hit the issues.

93 john5z  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:23:47pm

#79 Lazytart:

The only question is how much was he paid to say this?

94 Owl  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:23:56pm

Anyone see the open letter to America on the Bush homepage...go there and read it, for it is good.

95 nagasaki_hata  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:26:38pm

Yet another reason i want my dinky state of Hawaii to go RED!
NO Dhimmitude, not now, not ever
GO Bush!

MEMRI is my hero

96 motorcycle mom  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:30:05pm

I don't believe OBL. He will still try to get us if sKerry wins.

97 dak  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:32:02pm

How about a counter-offer? We will not bomb islamic countries that do not support radical Islam?

98 traveler  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:32:35pm

#97 dak

EXCELLENT point. (among many others posted here)

99 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:33:57pm

Yeah, somehow I can't see Osama sitting with a blue/red map of America in front of him saying "Forget LA! We are going to make the streets of Boise run red with blood!"

Just doesn't have the same PR impact.

If his pronouncement scares anybody here in the battleground states, well, they were going to vote for Kedwards anyway.

100 FloridaHeat  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:35:16pm

#84 mjean

Then you know that (despite the booming adult industry) there's a church on every corner in the Bay area. This morning we had a customized flyer put on our car in our church parking lot - showing Bush is strongly in line with our beliefs, while Kerry has a voting record that supports partial birth abortion, etc. It left no doubt who we should vote for. Unfortunately churchgoers have an abysmal 15% voting turnout.

There's a real difference down here. Lower middle class right up to very affluent neighborhoods are full of Bush Cheney signs... I'd say 5 to each Kerry sign. But the areas where the houses are ramshackle, paint peeling down to the bare wood, lawns overgrown, junk all over the yard, people sitting outside in old kitchen chairs... there, every dang house has a Kerry Edwards sign out front. You betcha every one of 'em will be at the polls on Tuesday, screaming that they were intimidated by the school crossing guard two miles down the road.

101 grimg  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:44:26pm

I live in Minnesota, and I still think we will go W on Tues, and the polls largely agree with me. I just wonder if anyone beyond the truly LLL would buy the 'offer'.

I have to think the reason the MSM have ignored this is that they know the undecided would go for much harder with this challenge, not to mention some soft sKerry would jump ship.

OBL has cast the anti bush vote as the vote to surrender. MSM is afraid to let America know it.

102 mjean  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:46:54pm

#100

Sounds similar to when I was there. Went to Indian Rocks Baptist Church for a long time. Also attended Skycrest Christian School for Jr. High (I remember our whole school rooting for Ford to beat Carter). High School was at Keswick Christian School in St. Pete (where we rooted for Reagan, of course). Hope my fellow evangelicals in Florida outnumber transplanted liberal northeners on election day!

103 DocDublU  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:53:36pm

In watching the OBL tape with translation provided in this thread, I noticed that the murderer mentioned that he got the idea for attacking the "Twin Towers" after watching the"Towers fall" in Lebanon. I remember the attack on the Marines barracks by suicide truck bomber in Lebanon, but I don't remember any "towers" falling. Any help out there?

104 JWM  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:56:34pm

Bin Laden's effort is to sow fear, and exacerbate divisiveness. A divided America is a weaker America. I fear an attack after the election with the purpose of undermining the nation's trust of whoever is in office. And if (God forbid) Kerry were to win, he (Kerry) would already have a red-state America hostile to him in a way that would make the most rabid Bush-haters seem like cranky babies. Bin Laden is the distilled essence of evil. I don't think it's wise to ever underestimate evil.
JWM

105 SisterLeoMarie  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:57:37pm

Almost hit a geeky guy with my cart at Walmart today.
Imagine that, some guy walking around wearing a red
Mr. Roger's sweater with a Kedwards button. He stepped
in front of me, I had the right of way. But I stopped and
said "Excuse me" before I caught the button. He just
gave me a dirty look and slinked away. Damn, missed
a perfect chance to whack one and it got away, never
figured a LLL would be shopping in Walmart!

Will wear my Bush Babe T-Shirt to Aspen this week.
Should be fun. For all of Kerry's finger pointing at
Republicans being the richest in the land, Aspen is
full of nothing but LLL's, the roads are paved
with gold, the sun always shines and it only snows
at Snowmass. I am only allowed into the city because
I am gorgeous, can ski well and no one from Aspen
shops in my local Walmart. Take heart, other America,
the men are foo-foo, many are bald with long straggely
pony tails and the women remind me of Teresa
Ketschup, they are tougher than any of the men.
Scary!!!

106 voletti  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 6:58:47pm

Un-freakin'-believeable!

Bring it on, osamad!

107 Ol' Southern Boy  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 7:05:50pm

Since everyone's wrapped pretty tight as we get closer to the wire, here's a little political humor to lighten things up tonight.

Kinda like JibJab on a shoestring budget.

108 Gambisin  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 7:06:59pm

Particularly in the more isolated areas of that part of the world, there is some difficulty understanding how the US really works. There is a tendency to see the states, with their sports rivalries and separate National Guards as a lot less unified asthan we are.
Remember these are largely tribal/factional societies where their overall countries are largely immaterial. The real loyalty is all localized.
US geography, with many states larger than most countries, is also overwhelming.
With all our very public arguing and demonstrating, talk about states rights, etc. we seem far from cohesive. In that part of the world, arguing and opposition are precursers to armed conflict.
The national unity, identity as Americans first that are "givens" to us seem illogical to them. How can Americans be all that free and autonomous and remain united, especially under stress?
In other words, the United States is probably a lot like the Gulf States. Osama may know intellectually how things work, understanding it is another story. His audience in the ME certainly doesn't get it. Giving them the idea we could be carved up would make us look easier to bring down from within.

109 Tony Abu Tuz[deleted]  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 7:07:13pm
110 DocDublU  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 7:08:57pm

Scorecard

Al Q / OBL

1 Wing of Offices Destroyed
2 Office Towers Destroyed
3500 Innocent Victims Killed


USA / BUSH

Taliban Destroyed
15,000 Taliban Fighters Killed
Hundreds of Al Q operatives neutralized
Afghanistan Liberated - 10 Million Freed from Tyranny
Iraq Liberated - 20 Million Freed from Tyranny
Saddam Hussein captured and about to stand trial
Iranian democratic movement energized and ready to ovethrow the mullahs
Lybia unilaterally disarms
Financial network of Al Q crippled
No new attacks on US targets by Al Q in 3 years
The entire world on notice that support of terrorism is grounds for pre-emptive ass kicking by the best equiped, best trained, most highly motivated SOB's on God's green earth.

Now, who is in position to make demands, and who is the punk trying to "negotiate a truce"?

ps- I in no way mean to demean the value of the lives lost on 9/11 nor on the battlefield in the Middle East. But, in the grand scheme and looking at this struggle in it's geo-political context, the old axiom still holds true.

Terrorism never succeeds.

111 mjean  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 7:09:38pm

Hay! Did you know there is an english version website for al jazeera ... Information there is similar to what you would find on the Kerry-Edwards site.

[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

112 bunny rabid  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 7:14:46pm

#13 vtrtl

If the surviving 5th stringers of Al Queda decide to take on the people of, say, Wyoming... well lets just say there won't be any outsourcing of the slaughter of jihadis this time around.

LOL! No kidding... they wouldn't make any progress in my red state! "Don't mess with Texas" is only a slogan for our antilittering campaign...

113 DocDublU  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 7:16:17pm

#109

Thanks for the info, though I didn't see any text when following your link. So basically, there wasnt' some great cataclysmic destruction of one paricular building that "inspired" the fiend. Just the shelling and general chaos that reigned in Lebanon in the early 80's.

I also noticed he thinks that GHW Bush "appointed" Jeb Bush as dictator of Florida. This reveals that though OBL might be a diabolical mass murderer, he didn't pay much attention in civics class.

114 DocDublU  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 7:23:37pm

#111

Oh, that site makes my head hurt. Followed the link to the Europe Hates Bush article written by some gink living in Norway. He thinks that Europe hates Bush and that 32 of35 countries surveyed prefer Kerry. Gasp! You mean there are people living in Europe who don't appreciate our President.? Surely you jest?

Four years from now, let's save our selves a bunch of trouble and money. Let' just have Europe vote on who should be our President, and whomever they elect, we inaugurate the loser to be our POTUS. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

115 Tony Abu Tuz[deleted]  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 7:25:14pm
116 Tony Abu Tuz[deleted]  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 7:28:33pm
117 Fondu  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 7:41:34pm

OT: I was poking around Drudge and saw this link: Ethnic Clashes Erupt in China, Leaving 150 Dead

It looks like China is now starting to have problems with its Muslim groups. I remember a little while back, there were some questions floating around on when China would start having problems. Kind of strange it is now flaring up. Maybe info is just slow to get out.

118 dj p1LL  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 7:44:09pm

ok, we all know the bias in the press and all that, but I would expect fox news to report this... right?

I havnt heard anything on fox about this... can someone please tell the people at fox to report this? send them the link to Mermi... something? this has to be reported on the mainstream news!

who can we email to get this reported? I feel like something has to be done! I know I am not alone in this... someone please post some email addresses that we can easily click & email this information to so we can get this out in the public.

Tuesday is going to be a close election and I don't want to wake up wednesday to a Kerry presidency... Teresa Heinz-Kerry in the white house... oh god, no

I am 34 years old and have never voted (sowwy!!) But this year was the first time I registered to vote because I feel so strongly about his election. I don't care if I live in California which will probbably go to Kerry. This is a matter of principle...

Every day I hear how the NYT, CBS, NPR, AP, and al-reuters twist the news to ensure that their choice for president is elected. It infuriates me, and I hope they are shown for what they really are someday and it is written in the books as FACT.

Why does Dan Rather have a job? why isn't CBS news investigated for trying to influence an election by slandering the prez? Why does CBS still do business as usual? Why th f**k do they get another opportunity to screw the prez with their 380 tons of explosives story?

It's like they got caught once and not 2 weeks go by they are at it again, and they could care less if people know what they are up to! They don't give a s**t that they were caught! They think (and maybe they are) above any retribution for what I believe is a crime. I am no lawyer but if it's not a crime to intentionally report false information about our Commander and Chief to influence an election, don't you think it probbably should be!

I know people who read the LA times in the morning, go to work listening to 'Pacifica radio', read Daily Kos at their lunch break, and chill out in the evening to CBS news... need I say more...

I havnt read any of the posts to this story yet because I nearly punched my monitor as soon as I read the Mermi story. I hope you are all as enraged as I am about this. there are 2 days left till the election. This needs to be told! *&%*&^*&^*&%%%!!!

Man, tuesday is going to be interesting to say the least!

OK, I feel better now. Got all this out of my system... :)

p1LL

119 Abu Maven  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 7:46:47pm

#117

Damn those Zionists are everywhere.

120 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 7:53:07pm

If goatface really wants to mess with the Red states, he does so at his peril.

There's a reason 80 million of us own 260 million firearms.

121 hornet  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 7:58:22pm

Kerry: "Now my fellow Americans, here is definite proof that Islam is a religion of peace because the right honourable Mr. Osama Bin Ladin is offering you peace in our time, for all 51 states , and FREE of charge. Elect me president and I will personally guarantee that Mr Bin Ladin will honour his promise to keep blah blah blah blah...I have a plan".

Bush: Not in my lifetime!

The choice os obvious to all sane (sp) Americans. Vote Bush .

122 Victor  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 8:08:30pm
"The Islamist website Al-Islah explains: […] "it brings together the complementary elements of politics and religion, political savvy and force, the sword and justice."

Uh huh. Fucker's hunkered down a spider hole holding a busted flush acting like he's Amarillo Slim upping the ante at the Flamingo. Let's just end his game.

123 Rust Never Sleeps  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 8:11:15pm

117 Fondu

It looks like China is now starting to have problems with its Muslim groups. I remember a little while back, there were some questions floating around on when China would start having problems. Kind of strange it is now flaring up. Maybe info is just slow to get out.

China has had problems with its Muslims minority for centuries. There were very severe clashes with the Uyghurs in Western China in the early nineties. Western Mainstream Media has reported about this However, information has been scarce and indeed slow to get out; China usually closes off troubled regions from the outside world
The Western Mainstream Media likes to compare the Uyghurs with the Tibetans. Pure nonsense of course, an independent Tibetan state would be a threat – unlike an independent Uyghur state (or an independent Palestinian state for that matter).

124 hazzyday  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 8:17:54pm

Ol Bill O'Reilly has realized he lives in a glass house. He throws rocks at Clinton and now Bill can throw them back at Bill.

125 rorschach  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 8:23:55pm

What do bin Laden, the terrorists and the god-damned left have in common?

My undying disgust. They make such cozy bedfellows, after all.

126 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 8:31:33pm

You know, this murdering [bigoted word] is a real moron. He's pissing off the LAST people on Earth he needs to tangle with--Red State Americans!

What a maroon.

127 JimmytheClaw  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 8:34:03pm

remember if you dont vote you have absolutely no right to bitch about who is in office.

hey its what an old timer told me when i was 18 and wasnt registered to vote

128 SisterLeoMarie  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 8:35:03pm

Just a hypothetical about the MSM. Suppose they were
all lodged in one skyscraper called the MTC and Bin Laden's goons had flown their planes into it instead, would
the MSM be so pro-Kerry today?

I think they probably would since they have demonstrated
a total lack of understanding the enemy we face. Sheep
in MSM clothing. Funny, sheep is what the Libs call us,
yet it is MSM who are being used by Kerry, after he gets
what he wants, they'll be relegated to the gutter just like
the rest of us.

129 Rose  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 8:56:57pm

We all know about Islamic justice- seLl land or a house to a jew-dead' choose a husband not selcted by your father or be seen with a man not of your family-dead
Raped-dead
Steal -cross amputation -

Oh Allah bringer of peace and beauty!!!
ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION SUBMISSION SUBMISSION

AND THEY WANT ALL OF AMERICA UNDER THE FLAG OF ISLAM and will be aided by their COMMUNIST FRIENDS WHO HAVE HIJACKED THE PARTY OF FDR

This is NOT Osama bin Laden-after over 6 years of Chronic kidney disease and treatment with steroids he would not look like this man- believe me
fake nose, fake beard and a Michael Moore SPECIAL PRODUCTION team effort.
Desperate men -desperate measures
We in Australia have just had a socialist State goverment passing secret racism laws without open discussion- vote for Kerry and don't say you were not warned.
DANGER DANGER DANGER

BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSHBUSH BUSH BUSH

130 Fresh Air  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 9:05:42pm

I realize I should be horrified by this new translation, but I think Bin Laden is sounding increasingly feckless and may even be taking lessons from Woody Allen in how not to stick up a country:

"What's this say?"

"Take all the money and put it in the bag. I have a gun pointed at you."

"That doesn't look like 'gun' to me?"

"Trust me. It's 'gun.'

"No, that's not 'gun.' It's 'NUG'..."

Enter bin Laden:

"No, no! Not 'United' States! Each state. I said each state."

"Sorry, sire. Maybe we can have a do-over?"

"Son of infidel pig! I told you to translate that each infidel state would be decapitated from the infidel body In'Sha'Allah if they don't obey and vote for Kerry! You have mistranslated and now no one understands my dark force of evil intent! You have wrecked my entire message, Al-Jazeera apostate swine!"

"Sure there isn't anything I can do to make it better?"

"I am going back to my cave for the next three years."

131 SisterLeoMarie  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 9:06:49pm

Hello Aussie Rose,
Lovely to hear from one the wonderful people of Down Under. Thank you for your country's standing beside us against terrorism. Have many friends in and around Sydney. Time will tell for us.
Thanks again!

132 Owl  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 9:08:40pm

...as I've said before...there IS no difference between Kerry, Pelosi, Hillary, the democratic party, it's members, those who vote democratic...and muslim killers. They both want the same thing - the destruction of America ...they are just trying to do it in different ways.

I hope when we find Osama, we get him alive and we let Bush put the gun to his head and fire it.
Or, a pig blood bath, and then maybe a good old fashioned hangin'.

...and then a bullet though the eyeball.

I'm SICK of playing softball.


LET'S ROLL, PATRIOTS!

133 Peter Verkooijen  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 9:12:05pm

#117 Fondu

Many Hui [Chinese muslim] areas remain economically impoverished despite rapid economic growth in China's urban and coastal regions

Gee, there's a surprise...

134 Claudia  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 9:24:49pm

117 Fondu

It looks like China is now starting to have problems with its Muslim groups.

I remember some years back when an Israeli TV crew was in China to film Israeli agricultural help given to Chinese farmers in desert areas. The local Muslims insisted the Israeli flag be removed from the jeeps used by the crew. No Magen Davids allowed.
C.

135 zulubaby  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 9:31:08pm

Claudia (#134)

The local Muslims insisted the Israeli flag be removed from the jeeps used by the crew. No Magen Davids allowed.

It's incredible how they always manage to get their own way. Is there a more selfish and racist people?

136 kevin the ox  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 9:47:28pm

MEMRI deserves more credit than they ever get, and more funding, for sure.

If that piglicker weren't lying, I would have to cause more of a scene. I'm in California, and the fruits and nuts would be perfectly happy to have a repeat of dhimmitude. I will NOT be a dhimmi, especially when it's on offer by some hopped-up pseudo-qadi with pretensions of mahdi-hood granted merely the presumption of human intelligence.

I can't wait for him to be pushing up camel dung.

137 Canadhimmis  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 10:08:31pm

Charles, What can we do to get this into the MSM? I most assuredly know that you've done your part (and more)by posting this, but what else can be done? Can we pressure FOX with a massive email? Time is running out, its so fucking frustrating...

138 Uhller Isshaytan  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 10:32:33pm

Muslims Pray for Bush Defeat

See it with your own eyes

caption : kerry inshallah kerry inshallah kerry inshallah...ker

139 Uhller Isshaytan  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 11:06:12pm

A workable arrangement with Osama is still possible.

So long as the conditions are strictly adhered to.

1. America aggrees not to kill him.
2. He aggrees not to ever let America find out where he is.

Or is this arrangement in force allready?

140 Dan Dare  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 11:11:10pm

BTW I saw that M. Chirac telephoned M. Arafat the other day - President to President as you might say.
You know - one brave anti-zionist to another.

French President Jacques Chirac called Arafat to ask about his health, Abu Rdeneh said, adding that Arafat thanked Chirac for the French care.

This is after the flight from Amman in M. Chirac's charming little airplane.

Is there any truth in the rumors that Monsieur Arafat has AIDS?

141 Uhller Isshaytan  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 11:50:40pm
142 Carl in Jerusalem  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 11:56:40pm

OT - There's apparently (they're not confirming it yet) been another suicide bombing in Tel Aviv. Israel Radio is reporting that a female blew herself up and there are about 20 injured, including at least four killed (according to foreign television - Israel Radio and TV don't rush to give out those numbers).

143 Uhller Isshaytan  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 11:57:42pm

#140

Is there any truth in the rumors that Monsieur Arafat has AIDS?

Aquired Islamic Dementia Syndrome?

144 The Other Les  Sun, Oct 31, 2004 11:59:52pm

# 140, #143

That too.

145 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 12:05:01am

The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty.
Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty.
- Abraham Lincoln

146 Fay  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 12:08:48am

Carl in Jerusalem:

The BBC are reporting 4 dead, "dozens" injured.

147 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 12:38:41am

Found an article on AlJezzera.com about the Neturei Karta in an interview with ABC Australia.

Here's one of the comments:

why can't they just create one nation called palestrael or something and just live together. whoever the zionist are, just weed them out and brain wash them. - Benja from USA

LOL

148 Dan Dare  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 12:41:30am

#143 #144

What would give me nightmares:

Can you remember after 9/11 when the big ugly terrorist made a big show of giving blood?

Can you imagine discovering that you were the poor bastard who received his blood?

Wouldn't it make you want to rip your veins out?

149 Dan Dare  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 12:53:02am

Ok Lizards.

Yhe New York Post is covering the MEMRI story.

150 Uhller Isshaytan  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 12:57:03am

#141

Re PM Howard supporting Bush

Now Foreign Minister Downer says Of Course!

151 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 1:10:56am

OBL sites Sweden as a country that is not under attack from Islamism:

[Link: www.washtimes.com...]

"Most Swedes believe that anti-Semitism is an extinct problem in our country," they write. "Most Swedes believe that our society has evolved and that we are more enlightened today. ... Unfortunately, they are wrong.

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

I am happy somebody took an interest in what I was telling about Malmø, or Sweden in general. And I hope people write much more about it. I read in Swedish newspapers on a daily basis what is going on in Malmø. I also have friends living there, and people I know who recently left because of the situation. As was quoted in one of my articles, the emigration from the city is higher than it has ever been for several decades. Many of the people who leave state the lack of security as their main reason for leaving.
152 Dar ul Harbarian  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 1:17:24am

So if New York goes for Kerry then OBL will be a peace with New York?

Tough shit for OBL that New York wont be a peace with him.

153 andrew2  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 1:22:37am

Point one:

There will be litigation, litigation, and litigation...guaranteed. The democrats opened up that can of worms in 2000. In 1960 then candidate Richard M. Nixon could have (But didn't for ethical and other reasons) contested the election in Cook County, Chicago. Most people consider the JFK victory to be the result of a clearly stolen election by Joseph P. Kennedy's former boot legging henchmen:

[Link: slate.msn.com...]

Secondly, it is my belief, that the democratic party, the vast fortunes (the frightening leftist Soros for one) backing the Manchurian candidate Kerry and the pathological hatred of Bush has concocted a deadly brew that will result in a lot of illegal activity which can and I think will defeat Bush, much more that what the nano-criticized republican party is willing to engage in.

I predict Kerry will win because I think that there are too many people willing to defeat him by hook or crook and to use an old radical slogan “any means necessary”. When considering Bush’s popularity is on par with that of Hitler’s and the liberals have unleashed the most multi-dimensional, international propaganda campaign in presidential history, I think Bush will loose under the weight of his demonization and also as a result of outright voter fraud and shenanigans.

This election will also test if our democracy, inexorably based on the integrity of the balloting system, which some have noted is also getting closer to a banana republic standards (felons, deceased, illegal immigrants all voting, etc.)

The election is razor close, Kerry is a STAR, his character, and his vile odious nature doesn't seem to matter--good. Give the people what they want, a leader who will in all likelihood be a teflon president like the Great-Stain maker Clinton, who under the loving gaze of the mesmerized masses and under the observation of the star struck press has NEVER had to answer for his abysmal role in ignoring the conditions which resulted in America being forced to face Islamic violence after 9-11.

The same will be true for the Manchurian candidate Kerry. He tastes blood and knows that his presidency will always get a free pass from the liberal media who will NEVER hold their golden boy, limousine liberal accountable for anything he does because after all, he can flip it back to BLAMING Bush for the mess in the first place.

Mr. Auster is right. Perhaps a Kerry/UN co-presidency would be just the insulting backhand slap followed by an eventual knockout punch that American conservatives need to wake them from their dormant doze.

154 Beagle  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 1:45:06am

So Osama openly endorsed Kerry and the MSM completely covered it up? Where is my shock? I've lost my shock. My outrage works overtime for my shock.

155 FloridaHeat  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 2:58:47am

#153 andrew2

You have stated my worst fears. This will not just be losing an election, it will be the theft of our democracy.

Our choice is similar to the one Nixon faced. When a government is highjacked by a significant minority, civil war could follow. Do we swallow the loss for the sake of the country... or do we lose our country anyway if we abandon its integrity?

156 reed_b  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:00:55am

Don't think the election is as razor close as the polls indicate. In states like Ohio, Democrats have registered hundreds of thousands of new voters more than Republicans. The GOTV effort by unions in Ohio is massive. College campuses are heavily leaning toward Kerry. Many WW2 vets that I personally spoke to are supporting Kerry as well, a good indication of the contempt the Greatest Generation has for Bush.

If the disenfranchised and the educated show up to vote, Bush is history.

157 reed_b  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:03:40am

Top 2 Iraqi officials at odds over Fallujah crisis, as deputy Governor is assassinated.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Yawar and Allawi do not see eye to eye.

158 doppelganglander  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:04:52am

#23 mjean: I'm in west Cobb! I would truly like to see some jihadi punk wannabe try to mess with Georgia. Ain't gonna happen.

159 greenmiler  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:21:05am
160 reed_b  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:22:11am

A sham democracy? An attempt to inject some neutrality into the discussion here.

During the first presidential election in 1789, voters were lured to the polls with free whiskey. American presidential electioneering hasn't changed since then, for all intents and purposes.

There are some other interesting posts on BBC from furriners on the American electoral system that sum up my frustrations with what has become of our democracy.

As an Englishman living in the US and exposed to saturation coverage for the first time, these elections have stunned me. Both sides have been slandering each other for months, with outright lies, half-truths, and vicious personal attacks. Now with polling day approaching, the allegations of voter fraud and intimidation are emerging, such as the counties which have more registered voters than inhabitants. And now we hear that both sides are assembling thousands of lawyers ready to contest the results in court. And this is the democracy they're trying to export to the rest of the world?
Derek Holmes, Rhode Island, USA

Derek Holmes just said what I had wanted to say. When two millionnaires fight bitterly for the post of (arguably) "the most powerful man in the world", and ballot papers go missing, and registered voters´ names go missing from the list, they are making a mockery of the term "Democracy". Who are they trying to bluff?
Sarah John, Osnabrück, Germany

For my part I am disappointed that GWB and JFK have been designated by two powerful political parties as the two most qualified people to run for the top office and that millions of Americans, gullibly, buy into this.

This is such an insult and it reveals why millions of Americans, most of them extremely eductated and dispirited, do not vote. In the last election, about half of the eligible voting population participated and one half of that chose the other guy who was dismissed by the Supreme Court.

Election 2004 is a referendum on the American political system itself, but many have already concluded that the system does not work.

161 Beagle  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:27:15am

#160 reed_b

Your suppress the vote check is in the mail from THK. Please crawl back under your DNC rock.

Thank you,
Freedom Loving People of the World

162 mjean  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:28:56am

#158 Georgia seems to be well represented here!
Went to vote early last week. Many Bush/Cheney bumber stickers in parking lot.

163 mjean  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:29:41am

Drudge has the MEMRI story (although not as his headline)

164 G.Galvan  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:30:38am

Bring it on Butthead (aka Bin Laden). It's time to finish it.

165 drpangloss  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:31:32am

if bush loses because of voting by illegal aliens, elderly absentee ballots, multiple voter registration, and the disenfranchisement of nader voters by democratic lawsuits, who will file suit on behalf of us citizens who voted once and legally? my civil rights have been violated.

ps. i just got back from visiting my daughter at WashU
and there was a big ad showing george bush as uncle sam threatening the draft, paid for by george soros' 527.

ps. all we can do is get our friends to vote. i would be surprised if bush didnt pull 38% jewish vote: the orthodox (*bless them*), the russian community, and the young (*less indoctrinated to dhimmicratism than their grandparens*).

166 TMF  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:31:51am

#160

Thanks for registering to inundate us with your amateurish analysis of what "our problem is" in America.

We'll stick with our 5.4% unemployment rate, trillions of dollars in assets, finest health care, hightest homeownership, and highest standard of living in the world, thank you kindly.

You can stick with Europes 9% average unemployment, sub-par government run healthcare, dwindling assets, weak/incompetent militaries and burgeoning muslim populations, poised to become MAJORIITIES in about 15 years.

Go ahead! THeres cheap airfare to France on Orbitz!

167 FloridaHeat  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:32:51am

reed_b

If the disenfranchised and the educated show up to vote, Bush is history.

You clearly get your information from mainstream media and Democrat sources. Try sources which are not merely editorialized political statements, and you'll find the disenfranchised and educated have been voting Republican for years. Those who feel a sense of entitlement, including ivory tower educators, historically vote Democrat.

168 TMF  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:36:47am

All armchair punditry aside, there can be no DOUBT WHATSOEVER of the following::

1. Keeping Bush in office is the ULTIMATE FUCK YOU to Bin Laden

2. Kicking Bush out of office (regardless of who the other candidate is) is the ULTIMATE DROP TROU AND GRAB ANKLES to Bin Laden.

169 DP111  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:40:44am

FROM MEMRI

Noticeably absent from the Al-Jazeera tape was his usual appearance with a weapon, and more importantly the absence of references to Jihad, martyrdom, the Koran, the Hadith (Islamic tradition), Crusaders, Jews, and the legacy of the Prophet Muhammad on the duty to wage Jihad against the infidels. For the followers of the Al-Qa'ida ideology, this speech sends a regressive and defeatist message of surrender, as seen in the move from solely using Jihad warfare to a mixed strategy of threats combined with truce offers and election deals.

Even from the partial and faulty translation available at the time, I came to the same conclusion 3 days ago

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I really do think that OBL is dead. If not literally, then he is metaphorically dead, as his message is defeatist. No more Calliphate, allah's will, references to muhammed, swts and pbuhs thrown in all over for good measure. He does not even address his core audience, the ummah. The whole of the message is a plea for a ceasefire.

Probably he is not too keen in being dragged out of a cave or a hole in the ground. Quite apart from the humiliation, he will have lost his charisma for good. Considering his penchant for talk of strong and weak horses, he most certainly will be regarded by the muslim world, as a clapped out horse.

He also looks as if he is in need of medical treatmnent. Paris must be looking pretty alluring at the moment. Now if only he can get Americans to sign up for the deal. Whether he gets the deal or not depends on what happens tomorrow. Its as simple as that. Besides, if Kerry wins, it will be a win for the islamic world and a real big win for CAIR and its fellow travellers.

So American friends, make sure you dont oversleep, get lost in the traffic, caught in a traffic jam, or just plain forget.

170 FloridaHeat  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:45:14am
The Islamist website Al-Qal'a explained what this sentence meant: "This message was a warning to every U.S. state separately. When he [Osama Bin Laden] said, 'Every state will be determining its own security, and will be responsible for its choice,' it means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president has chosen to fight us, and we will consider it our enemy, and any state that will vote against Bush has chosen to make peace with us, and we will not characterize it as an enemy. By this characterization, Sheikh Osama wants to drive a wedge in the American body, to weaken it, and he wants to divide the American people itself between enemies of Islam and the Muslims, and THOSE WHO FIGHT FOR US, so that he doesn't treat all American people as if they're the same.

ie, an Islamist (violent islamic fundamentalist) website interprets Osama's message as saying those who vote for Bush mark themselves as enemies of Islam and the Muslims, while those who vote for Kerry FIGHT FOR US.

Fight for us. Not pursue to capture or kill. Not withdraw from the Middle East. But fight FOR us.

No matter how WE interpret Osama's message, Islamists see every vote for Kerry as direct support for their cause of uniting the world under Sharia through whatever means necessary.

171 EE  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:47:58am

If Bush wins the election, the Islamist enemy and its suppporters will be as angry as when Afghanistan was liberated.
If Kerry wins the election, the Islamist enemy and its supporters will be as joyful as after the massacre of 3000 people on 9/11.

If the enemy is joyful, he will regard 9/11 as a great success and an omen that eventually radical Islam is going to prevail and a caliphate will be established, eventually, over the world. The enemy will be much encouraged and enthusiastic, and gain lots of recruits for terrorism throughout the world, especially against a defeatist demoralized US.

Kerry will provide the same end result in Iraq that he sought to provide in Vietnam: a US defeat. He will try to outsource the war in Iraq to the reluctant French and Germans, and they will refuse to go. There will be an Islamist victory in Iraq, and Iraq will militarize again and once more be a threat to its neighbors and to much of the world. That's what Kerry will do with his "fresh start" -- a fresh start for renewed terrorism, with a base in Iraq.

172 RickZ  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 3:50:20am

# 160 reed_b (a troll):

In the last election, about half of the eligible voting population participated and one half of that chose the other guy who was dismissed by the Supreme Court.

Well, I have to ask: This is news?

In 2000, 51.0% of eligible voters participated
In 1996, it was 49.0%
In 1992, 55.2%
In 1988, 50.1%
In 1984, 53.1%
In 1980, 52.6%
In 1976, 53.6%

And these are just the elections I've been privileged to vote in.

Your point, if you have one? You are just an uninformed ass.

US Presidential Elections

173 cavy  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 4:00:48am

I was discussing with my neighbor the UBL tape ...

He can only be described as a "Redneck" ...

His comment at the prospect of the terrorists attacking us ...

Hell, I hope they come over here ... $hit ... we are looking for something to kill ...

All this as he was cleaning his Black Powder gun ...

I say let the [bigoted word]s "bring it on" ...

174 milford421  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 4:04:08am

A pact of protection, eh?

Just like the one offered to Spain if it pulled it's troops out of Iraq?

But then, there are those recent arrests of 11 AlQaida terrorists who were plotting to blow up the High Court.

Bin Laden fears Bush...

175 Geepers  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 4:08:47am

reed_b,

Shouldn't you be out looking for a job?

176 Sol Roth  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 4:10:25am
it means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president has chosen to fight us, and we will consider it our enemy, and any state that will vote against Bush has chosen to make peace with us, and we will not characterize it as an enemy.

Translation: As an Islamic, I not only hate all non-Islamics, but I hate a color grouping as well. Hate whitey Bush or die, infidel.

1. An attempt at racial division w/in the U.S.
2. Collectivism is slavery, dhimmitude is slavery, why aren't Jesse, Al and Minister Farakhan speaking out on this???

177 Roger  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 4:20:58am

#78 mich-again, I agree. Bin Laden fussing about how hard it is for him in the Afhgan-Pakistani hills is as good an indication he is in Iran as any other. In fact I think he was there soon after the US started bombing the Taliban.

178 Clutch  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 4:22:47am

(Clutch waves to mjean and eeevil from over here in Norcross... and a "Hey, y'all!" to all you other lizards here in Atlanta...)

Well, it sho' nuff looks like we'uns down he'ar in Jaw-juh is gonna get put on ol' Binny's s#it-list and Ah'm just shakin' in mah boots. What 'cha gonna do, Binny, attack Atlanta? All that you would do there is kill a bunch o' folks that would be your allies, while we'uns out here in the 'burbs and mountains and plains will be just that more fired up to KICK YOUR TERRORIST A$$ FROM HERE TO HELL!

When I see ol' Binny, Ah says to myself "Dead man talking" (so he ain't dead yet, but he WILL be...)

179 cavy  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 4:23:08am

#160 reed_b 11/1/2004 05:22AM PST

First off egghead you would know that the USA is NOT a "democracy" ... at least not in the form you are implying ... We are a Republic ... there is a difference from a "true democracy"

Second you said "the other guy who was dismissed by the Supreme Court".

You people are so damn bright ... why don't you check the FACTS ...

Here they are in abbreviated form:

The Supreme Court ruled (after the Florida Supreme Court ruled in favor of a "limited" recount) that the Florida Constitution must be applied "across the board" and that if the FSC wanted to rule in favor of a recount ... that recount MUST BE APPLIED STATEWIDE ... something the Gore fools did not request (guess they only wanted to recount those areas where they were SURE they would pick up votes).

EVERY recount performed by the elections officials ... the Miami Herald, USA Today, WSJ ... all came to the conclusion that even under the rules desired by the Democrats BUSH WON ... let me repeat that again ... BUSH WON ...

The US Supreme Court simply said that you could not change the rules for a recount (including the methods) UNLESS you applied those rules STATEWIDE ... The Florida Constitution is the document that requires this ... NOT THE US SUPREME COURT ...

Funny how youse guys are all for legislation by Judicial Fiat ... unless of course it is for something that you do not agree with ... AIRHEADS check the facts before you spout ... maybe you won't look so much like the fools you are ...

180 BingoBunny  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 4:50:10am

TEXAS Bring it on you goat sux bastard.!

181 reed_b  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 5:07:29am
You can stick with Europes 9% average unemployment, sub-par government run healthcare, dwindling assets, weak/incompetent militaries and burgeoning muslim populations, poised to become MAJORIITIES in about 15 years.

Fact: The true unemployment rate in the US is close to 10%
[Link: www.depression2.tv...]

Fact, minorities still do menial tasks in America--ever swung by the kitchens of your local fast-food joint?

Fact, millions are without healthcare even though they pay taxes. Given the choice, they would rather their tax dollars go to subsidized healthcare and education than to Lockheed Martin or toward the production of fighter jets.

I don't care about democracy for Arabs in Iraq and judging by the anti-Arab anti-Muslim remarks here neither do many Republicans truly care about Arabs--they are only supporting the Iraq war because Bush is running it. Had Clinton invaded Iraq based on faulty WM intelligence and with these results, the Republicans would be pressuring Congress to impeach him. So stuff it.

Fact, European nations do not need to spend $400 billion on defense because they have no enemies--they do not meddle, take sides or interfere with other nations. Colonial powers have learnt their lesson--that no matter how well-intentioned their missions, they will always be perceived by the locals as imperialists or colonialists

182 HUSKER  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 5:11:07am
During the first presidential election in 1789, voters were lured to the polls with free whiskey. American presidential electioneering hasn't changed since then, for all intents and purposes.

Couldn't agree with you more. Now Democratic votes are being bought and faked by promising crack! Things haven't changed.

183 HUSKER  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 5:22:13am
said the vice president, who offered no evidence to back up his claim

Has Kerry said one F**KING thing with evidence to back up his claim? The AP is the biggest piece of $#!T I've ever seen (besides Kerry).

184 longtime lurker  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 5:26:04am

Hey Doppelganglander,

Lived there for six years, so what's with the Halal market on Powder Springs Road, and the IndoPak Halal market off the 120 loop? What's with the Masjid al-Hidaya that stops traffic on Powder Springs every friday? Do you know how much land they own? How many "private" residences out there that are actually masjid property, and because of that will never be up for sale again? How's their campaign to build their school behind the fences going? Do you know if they are Sunni or Shia? How many members of the masjid sleep there around the clock during the holiest days of Ramadan? How many of the masjid are US citizens? Resident aliens? B-1 or B-2 visas? Student visas? Illegally here?

I could go on, but I want to be clear--the real danger isn't terrorist attack, it's the slow, below-the-radar drip drip drip of immigration. You have a large muslim community from the flakier portions of the ummah building a substantial presence right in the middle of Newt country, in the heart of the right-wing Bible Belt--and who's paying attention? At what point will they be large enough to make the Congressional representative toe their line?

Keep your guns handy, but focus your efforts on the real problem.

185 TMF  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 5:28:26am

#181

Fact: The true unemployment rate in the US is close to 10%

Thanks, but Ill take the Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers over some frothing at the mouth anti-Bush left wing hack website any day of the week.

Fact, minorities still do menial tasks in America--ever swung by the kitchens of your local fast-food joint?

Uhhh, yeah- but those "minorities" dont espouse a religion that wants to impose a theocracy that will gun down women in the street who dont cover their faces, and cut off the heads of people who oppose strict compliance with the Koran.

Fact, European nations do not need to spend $400 billion on defense because they have no enemies

You have never taken a history class.

The Europeans have "no enemies" without, because US military muscle bought about the collapse of the Soviet empire. However, they clearly have enemies "within", as the 200 + dead in Spain can attest. And that enemy is growing exponentially.

Sorry- -try again, Mr. cliche. Oh yeah- another suggestion- try thinking and not regurgitating.

186 Dime IV  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 5:44:04am

I dare OBL to even think about giving Tennessee--my home state, and a proud Bush stronghold--a dirty look, let alone an attack.

Never, never, never, never negotiate with terrorists ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THEM ON THE ROPES! Put them out of our misery.

Joel T.

187 RickZ  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 5:49:31am

To our troll 'reed_b', you made two posts (#'s 160 and 181) to which were many informed ripostes of rebuttal.

I repeat my earlier comment: You are an uninformed ass.

188 locutus  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 6:40:18am

Whew, I'm glad I live in Communist Rhode Island, which will overwhelmingly bend over for John Kerry tomorrow at the polls.

189 Logic  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 6:42:35am

As I said in an earlier post about the possible meaning of this part of OBL's message, perhaps we should - in an attempt to avoid another "failure of imagination" - anticipate suicide bombers in shopping malls, schools and/or churches during the holiday season in states whose electoral votes go to Bush.

Hey, Osama... isn't somebody about ready for their dirt nap? It's way overdue, you POS!

190 HUSKER  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 6:56:42am

Typical liberal parrot!

"I saw just saw Fahrenheit 911, and blah blah blah blah blah"

191 locutus  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 7:17:47am
Fact, European nations do not need to spend $400 billion on defense because they have no enemies--they do not meddle, take sides or interfere with other nations.

You may recognize this as the Sheryl Crow doctrine..

192 aaaaa  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 8:08:17am

Can someone explain this:

[Link: rightweb.irc-online.org...]

193 will_not_back_down  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 10:59:12am

Great job everyone, local AM talk radio and most websites either talking about or covering the Bin-Laden use of the word "state" and the comparison of the DNC talking points and Bin-Ladens's talking points. The main think that the haters, CNN, MSBNC etc still not covering it. Go NyPost for having the courage to run this.

194 robroy  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 11:32:56am



Fact, European nations do not need to spend $400 billion on defense because they have no enemies--they do not meddle, take sides or interfere with other nations.


You may recognize this as the Sheryl Crow doctrine..


Actually, it's more like Pat Buchanan.

195 kevin the ox  Mon, Nov 1, 2004 12:42:32pm

MEMRI is very busy it seems. LGF strikes again! Kudos to most gracious host Charles!


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