That's why they are called moonbats.
Always the last to see the danger and never present to fight the good fight.

How belligerent.

Maybe would should invite him to the state burial of Yassar Arafish, to be held in Egypt

So when are they holding the Mein Kampf book review? Right after the Protocols of the Elders of Zion one?

WTF?

He looks like that guy in Lord of the Rings

Not surprising; must be the Bridgeview influence.

whats the problem???

islam = peace

It’s outrageous that the MSA would openly pay tribute to this monster

It's par for the course.

I love how the lighting makes him look even more like SATAN on steroids.

Hoping they will soon be paying tributes to the late Arafat, the late Mashal and the late Bin Laden

Why doesn't Moshe send this to the FBI?

They should have used his post-mortum photos on the poster, he looked much better in them.

It’s outrageous that the MSA would openly pay tribute to this monster, and that university facilities will be provided to them for such an abhorrent purpose.

Outrageous, yes, but not surprising, unfortunately. Time for a missle strike on the meeting.

On a similar topic, a Canadian Islamic cleric has advocated suicide bombings against civilians:

http://www.moralclarity.com/blog/_archives/2004/11 /1/172899.html

Why am I saving money to send my children to college?

Impressive what our tax dollars pay under the guise of 'Educational spending'

OT

Osama reportedly spotted in Pakistan

#11 imtoast: LOL!
Oh, you were serious?

These are the kind of gatherings where you want secret agants with camers and microphones hanging around.

I spoke to the dean about this and he could not care less...A few students and a couple of the professors also wrote emails complaining that this crossed the line

unfortunately the population at northeastern is very much arab and very little jewish so they think that they can do whatever they want

IF you guys have a sec, please send a RESPECTFUL letter to the dean lodging your disapproval

Moshe

Well maybe the president of Northeastern Illinois University will run for Senate, like Betty Castor in Florida.

DCMC

Time to shut em' down. All of em, everywhere.

So Saruman is still alive in the hearts and minds of his ghouls. "Life in the Territories," indeed!

Notwithstanding the saintly halo around Yassin's image, I find the picture pretty accurate with the top portion of his head missing. Didn't we see some photos posted here recently of the Sheik's brains splattered about after that missile strike?

Absolutely amazing. University types like this are the scum of the earth. How with hell do these idiots get in positions of power. How could you ever send your child to a university that allows a celebration of a murdered. Who is the person next time, Charles Manson?

I do not live on the same planet as these people. As far as I'm concerned, put a maverick missle right into the celebration and make this country safer by deduction.

As I recall, Northeastern Illinois University used to be called Chicago Teachers College and Chicago Normal SchooL before that. Well, it isn't normal any more. I assume that Jesse Jacksons Muslim bodyguard, El Rukan, will be providing security for the MSA.

Thank you for posting this, Charles-the evil needs to be exposed continuously.

#20 Moshe28, have you e-mailed this to the usual suspects like FrontPage, Mark Steyn-actually the Chicago Tribune is still a Hollinger paper, isn't it?

What an outrageous event.

It's not nice to laugh at an honest question. What about Homeland Security then?

#27 WriterMom

The Sun-Times is the Hollinger paper.

Great way to start a day. NOT!

This university should lose any government funds it gets no matter how remote that funding is. The higher echelon of trustees, board members, university officials should never work for the government again. Many who aren't citizens should consider going home. All should be investigated since they truely have links to terrorists.

OT

Fox is about to talk about the new translation of the UBL tape.

DCMC re:

Canadian Islamic cleric-Elmasry

NOT a cleric, NOT an Imam or anything else like that. This hate filled peice of slime is a University Professor and Univeristy of Waterloo in engineering. He tendered his resignation to the Canadian Islamic Congress after making public statements about how any Israeli over 18 is a legitimate target of suicide bombers.

There was simultaneously another guy, who is a Muslim cleric. who is residing in Vancouver and spewing the old "Jews are sons of monkeys pigs and dogs" rhetoric that also made the news. That guy IS a cleric. One of his followers recently got blown to bits by Russians in Chechynia. On the birght side, the young man was identified only by a fingerprint from a remaining digit. Obviously he came to a fitting martyr's end.

To be fair, another leading Muslim was on TV with Elmasry and soundly and unequivically denounced Elmasry and there are a group of Muslims who have been demonstrating outside the Vancouver mosque denouncing the cleric's anti-Semitism. This stuff didn't get as widely as the nasty stuff. Both men are now being investigated for violation of Canada's anti-hate laws and getting a whole lot of flack.

I realize this is a lot of facts to keep straight.

#5,

He looks like that guy in Lord of the Rings

"I'm saying Sauron never attacked us, Saruman did."

How long after OBL bites the bullet (missile?daisy cutter?) does this same group offer "a work of solidarity with the Taliban and tribute to the late Sheikh Osama Bin Laden."

Outrageous, yes. On the other hand, he's still dead.

#33 Judith:

I stand corrected

DCMC

I for one, hope that they continue to overstep. Continue to get more radical and vociferous in thier religious lunacy.

The more "normal" Americans are exposed to the ugly, despicable blasphemy, religious bigotry and bloody-minded mohammedanism, the sooner we'll get to the consesnsus that these animals have no place in our society.

Those who refuse to definitively renounce the Jihad, have no place in our society. They must convert, move or die. Someday the lefties and the multi-culti poofters will realize that thier "secularism" is no defense against the Jihad. The Jihad is anti-rational, anti-freedom, anti-feminist, anti-"can't-we-all-just-get-along-ism" anti-gay, anti-secular, anti-fun, anti-lassez-faire-capitalism, in short, anti everything that you and me and all our neighbors are about.

The Spanish knew this (at one time) So do the Serbs.

Islam is incompatible with liberty, rationalism, democracy and decency.

#17 Pilgrim Shadow,
This just in from c BS news. Dan Ratherdumb has just reported Osama Bin Laden has been captured by American troops on the border of Iraq and Iran. c BS and Dan Ratherdumb say they will have more about this news after the voting is done in California Tuesday nite.

You can talk until the cows come home and nothing will change. Talk talk talk. What can we DO to stop this from happening. If "neo cons" have been prevented from speaking, WHY can't this satan-inspired orgy be prevented also?

Until the folks who are the wallets of this university speak out and complain, I doubt anything will be done.
In case you've forgotten, all muslims in this country are bullet proof, above the law of the land and not to be spoken to or about in a negative manner. If you do speak out, you're a bigotted racist. They are the only ones allowed true freedom of speech now.

I still have to wonder, with the likes of a boldly announced tribute of vile-but-dead Ahmed Yassin on a STATE university campus, are liberals just out-and-out naive/stupid people, or are they truly so morally bankrupt and depraved as to knowingly and willingly pay homage to evil incarnate?

I just can't figure out the liberal mindset. Thank G-d for it.

Joel T.

#16 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

"Why am I saving money to send my children to college?”

My thought's exactly.

We are sending our kids to a private conservative High School with some of the college money we have saved (we believe the benefit of a conservative education early on best prepares them for the fight they will face at the U). They will attend an inexpensive state college close to home. The money that is left will be given to them for the down payment on their first house. We think it's a better investment. Graduate school, they're on their own.

Huh. I thought there was a teensy-tiny minority of terrorists who had hijacked Islam, which is a religion of peace. And all this trouble was caused by poverty anyhow.

But here we have people well off enough to get a higher education in America, who are flocking of their own free will to honor a terrorist leader. Hmmm.

Other than Islam, I can't find a common factor. But since that can't be it, I'll keep on looking.

The whole thing with this slime Elmasry makes me ill. The cleric in Vancouver also makes me ill. What I find heartening is the number of Canadian Muslims who seem to be saying loud and clear "Enough of this radical shiite!"

I am also annoyed by the number of bloggers who seem to get the two men blended into one.

Oh yes, Elmasry is also being investigated by the U of Waterloo in case he is creating an enviroment that is hostile or whatever the university does in suchn cases.

As for the MSA they are sijmpply local recruiting branches of radical Islam and the sooner they are shut down by the FBI and RCMP the better for everyone.

the population at northeastern is very much arab and very little jewish so they think that they can do whatever they want

America, see your future. And yet, neither Republicans (cheap labor), nor Democrats (cheap labor, PC, votes) are doing shit about that.

it's still early on ElectionDay-Eve, Erev ElectionDay if you will. I wouldn't go so far out there as to say this is the outrage of the day! There's still plenty day to be outraged in, and I've got a funny feeling that we will be outraged!

I hope there are lots of alert citizens with video cameras at this event, recording every uncovered face there, every license plate in the parking lot, every name on every mailing register. We will see those people again when they act on the hate they are incubating now. It's better to know who they are before hand.

Shame on this university.

Charles and All,
PAX TV Channel is showing Stolen Honor right now
on east coast. Will show all during day.
Heads up.
SNM

#19 Amir -

These are the kind of gatherings where you want secret agents with cameras and microphones hanging around.

Why send secret agents? The ad doesn't indicate that this "tribute" is by invitation only.

Encourage every offended student/citizen to attend and use cameras and audio/video equipment to record everything. Then post pix/comments online.

There appears to be interest in seeing/learning who the attendees will be.

Any student that goes to this institution can even help identify individuals in the evidence.

It won't cost much and yet, the potential to yield immense dividends is there.

I have reached the point, if the other person (regardless of ethnic group) is muslim and their lips are moving, they are lying. I don't trust ANY of them.
They'll have to have certification and verification through G-d before I'll ever think they can tell the truth.
I believe the whole lot of them are genetically warped by incestuous inbreeding, making them psychologically anti social and born without any reasoning abilities.

Outrageous, yes. On the other hand, he's still dead.

Yes he is. And buried without the top of his skull and good bit of brain matter, which somehow went missing during his 'retirement' by the IDF.

I think that this is a good thing.

Ask yourselves: Could glorifying a homicidal maniac cloaked as a man of religion and virtue better expose the underlying agenda of MSA better?

Hell no! The best approach is to let these morons hold their little hatefest and counter it with a strong demonstration of outrage with information that shows Yassin as the morally bankrupt, murder advocate that he was and that still lives on within the ranks of Hamas.

Julius Streicher: Follow his path, share his fate.

It is time to restore the rule of law and deal with these depraved criminals as the survival of civilization requires.

Hamas world terror organization

Best represetative of Islam. SPIRITUAL leader Yassin, mhnbbo

Saudi controlled associations of Muslim Students

Quisling Administrators and Educators of America's new generations

Birds of a feather float together.

VULTURES

Hang in there, kids. Keep your wits, your skepticism. and your common sense about you. God willing, older Americans will wake up to this threat and will join you in the struggle for Truth, Justice, and Freedom.

M-S (#38):

Coudn't agree more, except for this:

"secularism" is no defense against the Jihad.

If taken seriously, it is.

(Yes, I know that Europe offers a dispiriting counterexample. We are not them, though, and it doesn't have to be that way here.)

I believe the whole lot of them are genetically warped by incestuous inbreeding, making them psychologically anti social and born without any reasoning abilities.

Oh please.

One need look no farther than growing up with no other book than the Koran, and shit-headed leaders for guidance.

Look how Mein Kampf and one man influenced tens of millions of europeans, germans and non-germans alike.

What a nice looking Arab gentleman.

I bet he BLEW UP real good!

I wrote this yesterday about Northeastern. I'm posting it again:

On Moshe28's post:

I graduated from Northeastern Illinois University. It is a commuter school. It has a very diverse student population. However, not many Jewish students attend Northeastern. When I was there we did not have enough students to establish a Hillel on Campus plus the local Hillel big-shots had no desire to help us establish one either. Nevertheless, a few of us did bring Daniel Pipes to speak as well as Ruth Wisse.
There was a large Arab population on Campus though not all of them were interested in the radical politics which appeal to many of the Palestinian students. In addition, there is a large Hispanic population, some of whom were ( and probably still are ) supporters to the terrorist FALN. The University is also connected with the Far Left ( and often antisemitic ) Center for Inner City Studies.
I would expect the University administration to do absolutely nothing to prevent the Gala for Yassin. They have never shown the slightest inclination to prevent any antisemitic event on campus.

Durring my four years at UCLA (2000-2004) I noticed the MSA doing a lot of questional things, particularly their many anti-Israel rallies, letters to the college paper, and hosting of radical speakers. It wasn't until I found this site that I realized just what exactly they were all about.

#51

Cut the racist bullshit.

#59
Doesn;t this fall under some type of hate crime?how can the university leadership NOT be held accountable? Can't the Thomasmore.org help? This is very disturbing.

#49 ShariaNoMO

Thanks for the tip. On the TV menu it's only listed as "Paid Programming".

Here is the email adress of the head of the MSA at Northeastern... he is the one organizing this event

tragedy773@yahoo.com

please only send emails in a civil tone asking him to drop the tribute to Yassin

I spent a year and a half at Northeastern Illinois University back in the early 80's. There wasn't much of an Islamic presence back then.

This past summer, I drove through the old neighborhood and was shocked to see the changes. Back when I was a kid, the area around Kedzie and Lawrence was pretty much a Jewish neighborhood. In the mid 70's, it started to change into an Oriental area.

When I drove there this summer, it looked like little Gaza. The synagogues are gone. Most of the signs have Arabic writing. Trash was all over the streets. It was disgusting.

So it doesn't surprise me that a school about a mile from there has deteriorated to such a level. It just shows us what we can expect in the future.

What this university needs is a good nickname. I suggest KluKluxU.

do you suppose some of the moonbat morons attending this meeting will be ready to put on the 'bombers belt' and show up at your local 'republican' dominated polling place and light themselves off for the "giper"

/unbelievable...

applesweet (#51)

I believe the whole lot of them are genetically warped by incestuous inbreeding, making them psychologically anti social and born without any reasoning abilities.

C'mon, that's not it. Their biology is not inferior -- their culture is.

Hamas is supported, of course, by the same Euro-elites who have sent their pompous "observers" here to tell us whether our election is fair.

A direct quote from BELGIAN Senator Hugo Covelier, an observer in Ohio (which has been a state longer than Belgium has been a country):

"'We will tell the people of Ohio whether their election is free and fair."

Here we see Euro-elite authoritarianism, arrogance, condescension, and bigotry in their purest form.
In Hamas and its American collaborators we see the violent proxies who do their dirty work for them.

Bigel is not crazy.

OT

Kerryspot is down. I hope this is not a preview of things to come tomorrow but I think it is. Imagine. Everything hangs in the balance and the only source of information is...CBS...NBC...ABC...You get the picture.

MM:

Look how Mein Kampf and one man influenced tens of millions of europeans, germans and non-germans alike.

The poisonous seeds fell onto fertile soil, though.

Yet another prectitioner of the Religion of Peace.

Ibrahim's wife of 18 years left the house before the killings to go and stay with her parents following an argument she had with her husband over failing to give birth to a son, the official told The Associated Press.

Police arrested Ibrahim who later claimed to have stabbed his daughters during a moment of temporary insanity because he feared they would one day become promiscuous. Police also quoted neighbours as saying Ibrahim had not allowed his girls to attend school.

I'm not suprised but it still makes me sick.

As I wax poetic, imagine if you will, a conference. A conference with workshops on how to subdue the infidel. A class on how to make bombs. A work accident.

#58 Mirror

He did. In fact, he was so dismembered that they threw him out with the trash.

Here is Allah's take: Allah's in the House Archives - March 26, 2004

#68 Q

C'mon, that's not it. Their biology is not inferior -- their culture is.

This culture?

A man angry with fathering no sons stabbed four of his seven daughters to death as they slept and seriously wounded the other three, police said Monday.

Abdel Nasser Ibrahim, 47, a muezzin, or mosque prayer caller, in the Sohag provincial town of Tima, 345 kilometres south of Cairo, repeatedly stabbed his seven sleeping daughters with two knives in a rampage that lasted several minutes, a police official said on condition of anonymity.

OT

I forgot to update you Folks about the beautiful and gracious behavior of Bush' enemies:
ALL the three pro Bush signs of my yard have been ripped during the night and the supports torn and thrown around.

I am already putting new signs out.

Dirty redfascists.

This is a swing State, of course. And violence is their campaign, of course.

GO W !!!

I remember my days in college. Now, having been in the real world for a long time, I can see how unreal, how insulated the whole higher education scene was, and still is! "Those who can't do, teach." It would serve the USA well to have a huge dose of reality put into 'higher'education by having one year of out in the world apprentice-ship alternated with each year on a campus. Then these student organizations wouldn't fester so much.

More fun with Muslims.

Link

SOHAG, Egypt (AP) - A man angry with fathering no sons stabbed four of his seven daughters to death as they slept and seriously wounded the other three, police said Monday.

Abdel Nasser Ibrahim, 47, a muezzin, or mosque prayer caller, in the Sohag provincial town of Tima, 345 kilometres south of Cairo, repeatedly stabbed his seven sleeping daughters with two knives in a rampage that lasted several minutes, a police official said on condition of anonymity.

Killed were Samar, 15; Isra, 10; Fatima, 8; and Zeinab, 7. The screams of the three wounded daughters alerted neighbours to the pre-dawn crime and they later contacted police.

Ibrahim's wife of 18 years left the house before the killings to go and stay with her parents following an argument she had with her husband over failing to give birth to a son, the official told The Associated Press.

OT - Ten reasons I'm not voting for you, Mr. George W. Bush.

When Karl Rove used the remote-control device implanted in your upper back to force you to murder Iraqi babies and American soldiers for oil and/or no reason because Saddam was mean to your dad, plus what about the WMDs you lost after you lied about them even being there in the first place, and then Rove tried to make everybody think your Thanksgiving turkey wasn't plastic by planting fake documents about your military service and forcing Dan Rather to say "Sorry, I guess" on national TV, did you really think we wouldn't figure it out?

BY JIM TREACHER

It's Iowahawk funny.

Poitiers-Lepanto
That's the spirit! Think sprinkler system booby trap tonight. ;)

# 59
The school administration has always coddled the Far Left on campus. If you think this is a hate crime, then you should have been around when the University connected Center for Inner City Studies folks decided to launch one of their pro-Louis Farrakhan rallies. As I mentioned earlier, the Campus has been home to elements of the FALN for years.
The University does not care if Jewish students are upset and it's likely no one else will protest this event since many of the students have real jobs beside going to school. In addition, a fair number of students are recent immigrants and display a certain passivity toward politics in general.
The Arab students hi-jacked the student fees years ago. The best that can be done is for those students who are interested in protesting this event to form a club of their own and request money to bring in pro-Israel and pro-American speakers. The MSA is not only anti-Jewish, it's also violently anti-American.

This just proves our universities are now supporting, condoning and encouraging the Islamic Terrorism Culture.

Last week it was Duke University, This week it is Northeastern Illinois University.

In our public schools our children are being forced to accept the Islamic Terrorist culture.
[Link: av.rds.yahoo.com...]

Where is the separation of Church and State?
[Link: av.rds.yahoo.com...]

Where are the rights of Freedom of Religion for our Children?

Islam is a Death Warrant for the United States. If we do not take a stand NOW to put a stop to it, Americans will eventually serve under Islamic Law & Culture

So few people care about Muslim attrocities it seems.

OT (is anything really off-topic anymore?)

Egyptian father angry at having no sons stabs his seven daughters, killing 4

OT-Winnipeg LGFers- Election watch/party at my house tomorrow night. E-mail me for specifics.

NIU does do somethings right

I visit the site almost daily.

Darn you nuclear tinker bell.

I'll never get a hat trip having to actually do work while I surf.

moshe28:

please only send emails in a civil tone asking him to drop the tribute to Yassin

While the dean just might be swayed by such Kerryesque approach, the MSA head most definitely won't be.

What's needed in the latter's case, are men in dark suits and mirror shades, politely yet insistently knocking on his door.

Poitiers-Lepanto,

While out with my daughters I was told by a neighbor that our HMA came around and removed/ seized all the Bush signs due to HMA rules. They left all the Dem signs. My neighbor threatened a law suit unless his sign was returned to him. His sign was returned and all signs were ordered removed. His now is in his window. Now the Kerry signs are back out in the yards.

On a lighter note someone threw a Kerry sign into my backyard where my dog promptly tore it up.

: )

I don't understand why they didn't use this picture of Yassin. I think he looks much better here.

#68, Q. The peculiar Arab, Islamic cultural habit of marrying off ones daughter to ones brothers son has a bit of "bio-cultural consequence. Consanguinity has well documented results.

University Implements Mandatory Islamic Sensitivity Training

(2004-11-01) -- Columbus, OH -- In a move widely applauded by academics across the nation, Ohio State University has introduced a new class for incoming freshman beginning 2005. Dean of Students Barry L. Lundquist unveiled a new course outline for Islamic Sensitivity training that all students will be required to complete their freshman year. Dr. Lundquist indicated that the university had been working on the project for quite some time and felt that introducing it now would help “send a message of conciliation and sensitivity to the greater Islamic world.”

Columbus has long been the center of controversy whether the issue has regarded gay rights or legalized gambling. Karen Sanchez-Murphy, The Sensitivity Director who heads the Islamic Training Project stated “The University is located in Columbus. The very name of the city is racist, ethnist and homophobic. This I simply the first step in correcting past wrongs.”

Students seem genuinely excited about the move especially given the fact that all tuition from the course will be donated to Islamic charities. University of Ohio Finance Director Ismael Murrah stated the desperate need that many Florida Islamic charities have for additional funding. “Representatives from charities in Southern Florida worked jointly with our institution to find a way that both sides could benefit. They helped put together the curriculum and we provide the funds. Next year, because of the university’s policies, hundreds of families in the west bank and Gaza will be receiving about $25,000 per family.”

Posted 10:32 AM

This should really be illegal, this guy ordered the deaths of many innocent Israeli men, women and children.

Islam looks more every day like devil worship, and the idiots that praise clowns like Yassin need some extensive evaluation by our authorities.

Professor's art sparks public outcry

An ASU professor is facing opposition from ASU and Phoenix communities after using the likeness of Pat Tillman in a public art exhibit.

John Leanos, an ASU Chicano studies assistant professor, said he has received nearly 300 e-mails in opposition to a set of posters he posted at ASU and in downtown Phoenix in the beginning of October.

The posters show a picture of Pat Tillman, a former ASU and Arizona Cardinals football player turned U.S. soldier who died in Afghanistan.

State Press On-Line

I don't live in your country, but i love it. Your country have save the world many times (specially to the french). If it wasn't for your people, we were all talking german, russian or arab.

The polls in israel say that Israel prefear the great George W. Bush instead of Kerry... The jews in Chile also prefear Dubya (I live theare).

Please, this message is for all the jews in the US.: VOTE FOR BUSH, only he can win the war agains terrorism, ¿or you think that Kerry whit the french, the arabs and the U.N. can protect Israel ?... no sr. no. We need a strong man, a man with enough courage, a modern Winston Churchil... That is George Bush.

Please, american people, don't loose your faith in democracy and freedom, and thanks for fight for all of us.

VIVA LA LIBERTAD, VIVA LA DEMOCRACIA, VIVA BUSH !!!

PS: Excuse my english. In 2 more years I will study there, so I can improve my level.

92

Mormon Doc

I need a link. Is that the Onion or ScrappleFace, or is that real?

I was told by a neighbor that our HMA came around and removed/ seized all the Bush signs due to HMA rules.

I'll never understand this. How in the HELL can anyone tell you what to do with your own private property? Cement the damn thing in and threaten a 1st amendment lawsuit. If they don't like it tell tham it's either that or you'll paint your house dayglo orange with purple polkadots!!

Although, the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza - the largest deportation of Jews from their homes since Poland 1944 - passed a legislative hurdle in today's Knesset vote, it has not begun or been definitively approved and may yet be subject to a nationwide referendum.

The whole process, though, may have just been stopped in its tracks.

In a press conference held at the Dome of the Rock immediately following the Knesset vote, Gaza settler leaders, led by the leaders of the settlement block Gush Katif, announced that they and their followers have converted to Islam. The Gaza settlers have all either submitted electronic forms through an Islamic website or have stated "I bear witness that there is no diety but Allah and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah"

This news seems to have brought an immediate reaction from certain countries and NGOs.

Kofi Annan, Secretary General of the United Nations, stated that "the deportation of 8000 Muslims from their homes constituted a serious crime against humanity and a violation of international law.

Saeb Ekrat, interviewed on CNN, stated that the people of Gush Katif had lived in their homes since time immemorial, before the Jews even existed, and that the planned actions of the Sharon government constitute another vicious deportation of indigenous peoples by the Israeli government. He continued that the Palestinian Authority could not be held responsible for the violence that might result from this unheard of provocation - the deportation of 20,000 women and children. He stated that the Palestinians would seek an international presence in the Gaza Strip to protect these people. Also interviewed by CNN was the former president of Iran, Ayatollah Hashemi Rafsanjani. He was not aware of the developments but welcomed the new converts to the fold and stated emphatically that if any Muslims are removed from their homes, Iran would "burn the little satan, the Zionist entity, with fire from the sun to bring peace to the world." When asked if he was referring to a hydrogen bomb or other nuclear device, President Rafsanjani stated that Iran was only pursing nuclear technology for peaceful purposes.

#86
Ed, you're mixing up Universities. Northeastern Illinois University has no weather department or storm chasing unit ( unless you count the administration's hot air coming from their mouths). Northeastern Illinois is NEIU- not NIU.

In a hastily arranged speech in Kuala Lumpor, former Malaysian prime minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad stated that Sharon and the Jews are pig monkey dogs and that the attempt to deport 50,000 Muslims would demonstrate to the world that the Jews are cockroaches and the spreaders of AIDS. The Malaysian Foreign Ministry later clarified that these statements were not anti-Semitic but reflected a reaction to the actions of Israel.

Human Rights Watch is preparing a report on the deportations which it says violates the first, third and forth Geneva Conventions as well as numerous other laws applicable only to Israel. It announced that it is investigating allegations of massacres of former Jews in these former Jewish settlements, now ancient Arab villages, by Israeli security forces,

France in its role as rotating president of the European Union announced that it and other members of the European Union could not be expected to protect Jews living in the European Union if Israel undertakes such aggressive actions against Muslims. France has announced that it will accelerate aid to Hamas, Hizballah and other humanitarian organizations which will deal with the eventual human rights crisis that would result from these actions. When a reporter asked about the concurrent humanitarian crisis in Sudan, French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier stated that as the crisis in Gush Katif dwarfed that of Darfur, Sudan, the European Union had rescheduled its meeting to discuss taking immediate action to aid those being killed by Arab militias in Sudan until the fall of 2006.

The government of Israel has not formerly responded to these developments but former Knesset member, Yossi Beilin during a stopover in Geneva stated that while he did support the deportation of Jews from their homes, he did not support the deportation of Muslims under any circumstances but went on to question whether the settlers had the proper intent when converting. Tomy Lapid, head of the Shinui party stated that any form of conversion, no matter how cursory, was satisfactory and he would not stand for a haredi interpretation of conversion requirements.

When questioned during a campaign stop over, John Kerry said that he would have voted for the disengagement but would now vote against it, if he could vote.

#80 NuclearTinkerbell

LOL
Well, I am more the kind of CAPITALIST PIG guy and I bought A LOT of signs.
They rip them , I put on the new ones, and so on.
It meant more money for Bush...

#87 Ed Moran

hat trip

Is that, like, that buzzz you get when Charles gives you a hat tip?

#92 MormonDoc

When a press release starts with:

In a move widely applauded by academics across the nation

, you know your in trouble...

bin Kerry must be pleased...Koolaid anyone?

Sorta looks like Christopher Lee in that pic..

#45 Judith 
As for the MSA they are sijmpply local recruiting branches of radical Islam and the sooner they are shut down by the FBI and RCMP the better for everyone.

Yes, but they operate openly on the UC Berkeley campus and elsewhere as well. No one is doing anything to shut them down.

Mosque prayer caller angry at having no sons stabs his seven daughters, killing 4

Israpundit.com will also be posting the story of the Yassin tribute shortly

gymanst (#91):

The peculiar Arab, Islamic cultural habit of marrying off ones daughter to ones brothers son has a bit of "bio-cultural consequence. Consanguinity has well documented results.

It undoubtedly does, but it's not a defining common factor -- not for a billion malformed souls worldwide, not for the Western converts. Islam the murderous expansionist repressive anti-rational anti-intellectual anti-pretty-much-everything ideology is.

Bush down 48-46 in latest Fox poll. What the hell is going on with Fox? Perhaps it's a Rove plot to fire up the base. I need some good news, people! Anyone else unable to focus on anything else but this damn election?

#106 Colt

I just saw that. I suppose the good side is that there are 4 more little girls in heaven to await the Jihadist.

If the animal was an American, it would be a Kerry voter.

#95 GINES

Thank you for your thoughts. Your feelings are shared by many.

Your English is just fine.

#86, Ed. NIU is a different school, located in De Kalb Illinois. North Eastern Illinois Univ is in Chicago.

99

Oh, well in that case the school is worthless.

Its best to have this event and then see and note who comes.

#89 Bob with one O

On a lighter note someone threw a Kerry sign into my backyard where my dog promptly tore it up.

Good dog. That reminds me of the rodent origami Rugby did when given democratic literature. Scroll down a bit to see pure rodent genius.

#95 Gines

Gracias! And your English is really good. If you make it to Texas, be sure to visit Houston!

#49 ShariaNoMo

The whole PAX network, or just a local affiliate?

#93 DC Watson

Islam looks more every day like devil worship, and the idiots that praise clowns like Yassin need some extensive evaluation by our authorities.

You're exactly right. It is devil worship -- that "religion" is spawn of the Devil...You can tell by its "fruits" --- killing innocents, characterizing Jews & Christians as "pigs worthy of a price in the marketplace, so go ahead and kill them any way you want"; demoting Jesus to a mere human prophet -- so far that it's blasphemy to say God has a Son; etc... The list goes on forever: the manifestation of PURE EVIL, and evil always flows from the devil.

Slightly OT but not really:

The other day my wife brought home a flyer for some kind of after-hours "World Peace Club" for elementary schoolers at our local elemtary school. This was supposedly for our 6 year old kid. The flyer promoted teaching "peace and tolerance" and "appreciation of world cultures". There was a UN flag on the flyer.

She could not understand why I would be against it. I got accused of everything in the book. But there is no fucking way I will subject him to this at his age.

Lizardoids awake: the univerities in America (especially the humanities) are dominated by the radical left.

Check out frontpagemagazine.com and the SAF (student for academic freedom) progam. Radicals and terrorist sympathizers have been doing these dog and poney shows at America's colleges for years.

GINES (#95):

In 2 more years I will study there, so I can improve my level.

You're welcome to stay in our country.

# 109

you are not the only one...I am a nervous wreck and have gotten no work done today at my office!

Rush's old adage about feminism having been created in order to allow unattractive women access to power has a counterpart: Muslims (an unattractive religious philosophy) have come to power via the political correctness route. First they ask for acceptance (okay), and then they ask for equality (okay) and then they seek to dominate (not okay).
But where along the way to dominance could we have stopped them in their tracks? The academic left listens only to the academic left--and they are so naive. Actually, they hate America SO MUCH they happily endorse muslim terrorists.

Ibrahim's wife of 18 years left the house before the killings to go and stay with her parents following an argument she had with her husband over failing to give birth to a son, the official told The Associated Press.

I guess no one ever told this shit-fer-brains about x and y chromosomes, and who makes what . . .

See what happens if you have just the Koran around?

95

Gines.

It is hard to find good Chilean Piszco in Houston. Sure, you can get the Peruvian stuff, but not the stuff from Chilean.

Nothing like a cold Pizco Sour on a hot day.

What a friggin outrage. How is it possible that so many in one way or another share the ideals of terrorists? How can so many be so ignorant? We live in dangerous times folks.

What does it matter if there are Jewish students or not.

American values are under attack as well as Biblical values. Americans need to stand up against the stupidity, American self-destruction and self-hatred that are being promulgated in our educational institutions.

When I was a student in California and then a teacher, it was cause for dismissal for a teacher to promote a political opinion. The goal was to promote creativity in our youth (for the betterment of America's future). Not parroting, but questioning. Not robots, but thinkers. Not intimidation, but intellectual discussion.

What happened?

The public needs to demand of our educators that they get back 'on track'. And any educational institution that does not do so will lose its 'passengers'.

Perhaps we also need a laws against educators voicing their political, sexual or religious opinions on campus; now that it is no longer their normal behavior.

Sorry

very OT-- but how do ya spell berka?

#109 Abu Maven

Anyone else unable to focus on anything else but this damn election?

Nope, not me. Have been on Xanax for a week now and my boyfriend told me last night that I'm worried over nothing Bush will win (BF is a ret Marine and very optimistic)

I have the champagne chilling in the fridge for tomorrow. If Bush wins I will celebrate. if Bush loses I will get good and shitfaced while I consider relocating to London (just kidding!)

If elected, how long before Jean-Kerrié decides to fly the UN flag over the White House? You know, just in the spirit of world peace?

#129 eeevile conservative

but how do ya spell berka?

Anyway you like really, but most common is 'Burka' or 'Burkha'.

I favour "o-p-p-r-e-s-i-v-e"

#98 17

Iran would "burn the little satan, the Zionist entity, with fire from the sun to bring peace to the world." When asked if he was referring to a hydrogen bomb or other nuclear device, President Rafsanjani stated that Iran was only pursing nuclear technology for peaceful purposes.

A Nuclear Attack is exactly what Rafsanjani is talking about. There is no question about it. I hope the information is loud and clear to the Israeli people.

At this day and time you have to take every threat seriously. Never underestimate the enemy.

#116: Sorry, here's the direct link:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.a sp?ID=15758

Just needed to get all this off my chest: Why don't they just come out and admit that they love death? Or, rather, why don't we admit it to ourselves? And why aren't the Canadian authorities arresting this man and getting information as to his political ties?

It's just so much better to rant when you know someone is listening, then to the wall, which I often do.

Sorry 'bout the shameless plug!

OT: Electoral-Vote.Com guy outs himself
(My apologies if this has already been mentioned in another thread)

My name is Andrew Tanenbaum. I am one of the 7 million U.S. citizens living abroad. I am a professor of computer science at the Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam, The Netherlands.

Read this, it explains a lot:

Let me tell you a short story. When I was in elementary school, the school was plagued by a bully. He was the biggest, strongest kid around and would beat up anyone he didn't like. We were all exceedingly polite to his face, but hated his guts behind his back. One day he was chasing some poor kid and he tripped and skidded a considerable distance, scraping his face on the rough asphalt of the playground. He was bleeding and in pain, screaming for help. But nobody came to help him. We all just walked away. George Bush is the world's playground bully. The world sees him--and by inference, America--as arrogant, self-centered, and mean. I spoke to Americans from dozens of countries at the DA caucus. Everyone told the same story--the world hates America. When talking to foreigners, I can tell them about the Bill of Rights or freedom or World War II, or whatever I want, but all they see is this big, stupid, arrogant, playground bully and a stolen election in Florida last time. I think America deserves better. I want America to be respected in the world again, and John Kerry can restore the respect America deserves.

Take out the proverbial grain of salt before you go check his map again

133 LOL! Thanks!!!

Yassin was a great spiritual leader who comforted the tortured souls of the oppressed Palestinians and encouraged them to turn to religion to fight the evil Jews, no I mean Zionazis! And the Zionazis killed him in a cruel way with the help of great Satan Bush!
/brain re-engaged

#76 Poitiers-Lepanto

So many Bush signs have been stolen in NH that people started printing their own that say:

"You stole my sign but you did not steal my vote"

My brother's has had 3 stolen in 3 weeks. It enrages me.

traveler (#119):

demoting Jesus to a mere human prophet -- so far that it's blasphemy to say God has a Son

While I agree that Islam is pure, 200-proof, soul-corroding evil, I'm curious: do you think everyone who doesn't believe in Yehoshua's divinity -- or indeed, doubts his existence -- is from the devil?

OT

many people are wondering why the change in the poll numbers...

most republicans are NOT procrastinators and a lot of republicans have already voted and are therefore no linger in the 'pool of likely voters' being polled...

the only 'exit poll' data which leaked out on early voting happend last week and I have looked and looked and can no longer find the article. It seems to have vanished much like the of skerry's answer in the brokaw interview. But that exit poll had W leading 53% to 46% in early voting with ~ 1.5 million votes cast...

FWIW...

W Will Win Big...!

I did a couple semesters-- there several years ago.

Even then I was a minority and it wasn't just because I was older than most.

Doesn't surprise me in the least.

But when it came to Christmas decorations for example --even traditional secular such lights/trees were too "Christian" and going with a more contemporary "blue/white" color scheme was too Jewish.

No, the only "safe" Christmas decorations to not offend were red poinsetta plants.

#76 & #89
In a related incident...there is a contentious run-off race in my neck of the woods (due to the Texas redistricting fiasco). This weekend some Stenholm (D) people started harassing Neugebauer (R) people at a local hockey game. Apparently, our GOP chairman had enough and pinned one of these college dems to the wall and put his fist in the guy's chest. I damn near fell out of my chair when I heard this b/c our chairman is a 40 year old, chubby 'Mr. Rogers' type of guy. I guess as the saying goes 'you mess with the bull you'll get the horns'. Of course, the dems then turned right around and cried foul (actually, they're pressing charges). What punks!?

DCMC-The authorities up here ARE taking action. See Elmasry being investigate4d by RCMP.

Dear Dean Kelly & Dean Jenkins,

I have just learned that Northeastern Illinois University has plans to host the Muslim Student Association's tribute to Sheik Yassin, a man who advocated and practiced mass murder. Are you aware of this? I cannot believe that you would allow your Institution to be complicit in spreading incitement to mass murder based on racial hatred. I cannot believe you would be so morally blind as to allow such a thing to take place under your approval. The very idea is monstrous. Please, please, please take notice and understand what is at stake here. This is no garden variety issue of simple free speech. This is advocacy of mass murder and vicious racial hatred. You must stand up and stop this. It is not only the reputation of your Institution that stands in the balance, but your moral conscience as responsible human beings. Thank you for your consideration.
Sincerely,

# 128 Jayce

What happened?

Two words- Friggin Hippies!

By the way, Northeastern Illinois University's Muslim Student Association has brought other Jew-hating events to campus before this Gala for Yassin. I remember going to hear Rashid Khalidi ,
now of Columbia, speak in the Golden Eagles room. He obviously did not know I was there since he spoke of the "Zionist control of the Media" and spread other antisemitic propaganda. Later on, the MSA met with Khalidi alone...no doubt they shared other material from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

#140 Q

I believe all false religions are from the devil. And from my perspective as a Christian, if they don't build their religions on the foundation of Christ, then yes, I do.

Again, speaking for myself and no one else. I've committed to a particular perspective, thus can relationally discern other religions in that way.

#144: That's great to hear, relatively at least.. BTW, about only focusing on the extremists - you're right that we seem to only focus on them but it's always the exceptional that makes news. And in the case Islamic extremists, they seem to be making an awful lot of news.

Yes, but at the bottom of the poster:

Warning: Live fire exercise

travellor and Q,

Please agree to disagree and leave it.

#151

Where does it state we disagree? We haven't gotten that far. Butt out.

traveler (#148):

Is Judaism from the devil? is Buddhism?

(I'm not an adherent of either one -- indeed, of any religion or strict ideology.)

#120 Killraven

Look at my #82 Post. Check out the links. After reading, you might decide it's time to home-school your children

It that isn't enough to rock your boat, the homosexual culture is being force on our children in may schools as well. Do a search on Google for the subject.

#153 Q

From my perspective, yes...

Again, speaking for myself and no one else. I've committed to a particular perspective, thus can relationally discern other religions in that way.

Anything that strays from that Christ-centered path even those well-meaning, is meant to divert people from the Christ-centered message.

All further inquiries can be directed to my first or this answer.

T,

You're on a public forum. You don't want outside interference , exchange e-mail.

#154

Should read "Forced" and "many"

Sorry, I'm in too much a hurry.

I believe all false religions are from the devil. And from my perspective as a Christian, if they don't build their religions on the foundation of Christ, then yes, I do.

Well speaking as a nonChristian therefore obviously in your book false religion devil worshipping Jew - STFU. And while you're at, stay off LGF. We don't need crap like that anymore than we need Muslim baiting here.

#156 B

Oh, and no one ever gets off topic here -- got it.

FYI

Muslim Student Association at Northeastern Illinois University [Link: www.neiu.edu...]

#158 Judith

Nope, I believe the Jews are the chosen people, just like the Bible says.

Nope, I believe the Jews are the chosen people, just like the Bible says.

Just once, couldn't they chose someone else?

ploome,

I think (hope) you know where I stand.

Traveler,

Unless I read you wrong, you're equating Islam and Judaism.

#162 traveler:
But we don't believe in the divinity of Jesus. Furthermore, we consider ascribing divinity to anyone other than HaShem to be blasphemous (and for the record, the Jewish Mashi'ah is not a divinity).

I think we should all agree to disagree on this. I don't want another Passion thread...

#163 piglet:
LOL, ain't it the truth? Tevye got it right!

Nope, sorry I didn't mention the Jews -- I believe that they are God's chosen people. Says so in my Bible. Latter religions are suspect to me.

I'll leave it at that.

#166 cba

see 168. All of my other comments on this issue in many other threads defend the Jews --

#167 cba, - Thanks, now I have 'sunrise, sunset' playing in my head ;)

VERY OT - can anyone recommend a good chilli recipe?

Again, where is the Muslim outrage over these extremists hijacking their religion of peace? They are just as culpable in fostering hatred as these fanatics. Stop hiding behind the same tenets these murdering fanatics use to blow up innocent women and children and fly planes into buildings.

I'm sure there are many patriotic, well-informed Muslims out there but they need to get some kind of a spokesperson out there to counter all this hatred.

While I agree that knowledge about other cultures, religions, etc. can be helpful in understanding and respecting how and why people act the way they do (hold on, I'm not advocating understanding or respect of homicide bombing and other acts of violence, just your run of the mill stuff), promoting another cultures fanaticism under the guise of education and increased sensitivity is a mistake.

In response to #154, that begs the question: If you had the choice, would you rather have your child be a homosexual or a Muslim? I'm not advocating either (frankly, gay wouldn't be an issue for me) but just thought it was an interesting question...

Traveler,

You'd have kept my blood pressure down by including your last post earlier.

Ploome,

I read your post five times and am not sure if you mean the Holocaust (past) or Islam (present/ future).

Actually, having served on the board of trustees of a public college, the school has virtually no control over student organization events.

I would however think most DO have some policy in place for an organization not being allowed to promote violence, terrorism and anything illegal.

To Moshe: find out what the schools policy is for student organizations and if there are any guidelines they must follow, ie, cannot support criminal activities or violence.

Paying "tribute" to the head of a designated terrorist organization would be the argument.

#171 -- look it up...

Bob tried to warn me, and #158 Judith kindly told me to STFU, so I will.

#172 - ploome - I will go google. With meat - not very into tofu/soya.

Have they filmed that sequel to Mr. Holland's Opus yet?

I believe all false religions are from the devil. And from my perspective as a Christian, if they don't build their religions on the foundation of Christ, then yes, I do.

Can I suggest you go and pollute some other blog with bigoted crap like that? Somewhere where they share your same beliefs...I'm sure there are plenty out there...just would'nt want to pollute my computer with crap like that to supply you with links.

PS I'm obviously talking as a devil worshiping Jew...(as you would se me).

#176 traveler:
ploome didn't say "What does 'chosen' mean?", she said, "What do you mean by chosen?"

That means she wants to know how you understand the term.

If you want to drop the topic, say so, but don't get snarky.

Especially not with ploome.

RILA (#173):

If you had the choice, would you rather have your child be a homosexual or a Muslim? I'm not advocating either (frankly, gay wouldn't be an issue for me) but just thought it was an interesting question...

Interesting but flawed. Islam is an ideology -- chosen or imposed from without. Homosexuality is an innate biological trait.

#179

Sorry to have started it -- no I don't think that. I spent the last year studying Exodus. See above responses -- Sorry to have offended everybody. I said it was my perspective and it was proffered re: Muslims.

Dave Ray,

Glad you're still here. I posted a few days ago that someone told me the London casinos have W way ahead. True?

That's true...

been watching the British media all day (well it helps when you work in it)...it seems that most people are thinking that W has got it...even the BBC was focussing on more positive Bush stories today.

Bob with one O - President Bush is currently favourite with the biggest British bookie at: William Hill

#174

That's because I started a flash fire here -- I'm typing pretty fast, too!

#158 Judith

We don't need crap like that anymore than we need Muslim baiting here.

Muslim baiting? Who do you think killed 3000 American civilians in the New York Twin Towers?

Probably 97% of so-called terrorist attacks are killing thousands of innocent civilians around the world right now.

You are the one who should STFU. Let the Muslims burn in Hell.

#86 --Ed ...

I was going to say the same. NIU which is a considerably much larger university --probably close to 40,000 students (versus 11,000 at NEIU which is a commuter college only) is smack dab in the heart of Illinois "farm country" whereas NEIU is in the city of Chicago --NE side.

Smit:

Mmmm wouldn't be worth betting on with odds like that though. I'll stick to putting a fiver on the gee-gees.

Its hard to top this as the outrage of the day, but I think the Topic should be changed to runner up Outrage of the Day:
Egyptian man kills daughters

For some insight into what goes on at these support gatherings...

Duke University Undercover

#170

You might want to look at Chili Talk. It's a social group of chili enthusiasts. Also, you might want to look at a product called "Mexene"; many CASI chili contest winners use it.

#180 cba

I had already been told to STFU.

(I'm apparently an "ignorant asshole", but I'm not a "he")

#187 ploome:
:-)

#185 Dave Ray

it seems that most people are thinking that W has got it...even the BBC was focussing on more positive Bush stories today.

How are they getting that when the polls here are so close? I'd be interested to know what other things they're considering.

Dave Ray - Well, I'm thinking of putting a few quid on Spurs for the Cup... a good cup run and a top ten finish is all I want - is that too much to ask? - Heyho another rebuilding season...

#195 Synergist - Thanks, I'll check it out.

How are they getting that when the polls here are so close? I'd be interested to know what other things they're considering.

Good grief guys and gals! We ALL know the MSM is skewered, the polls are for crap unless ALL states and a MAJORITY of the people in them are polled. You can not have an accurate poll when only a very small hand picked few are polled. Remember: MSM told us in 2000 gore won.

#201 kwh

I know, but the British MSM is even more hateful toward Bush -- now all of a sudden they're projecting W the winner. I was just curious what made them come up with that.

traveler,

Thanks for the clarification. Unfortunately the thread went south anyway.

Ploome,

No arguments. As I alluded to, my blood pressure went screaming upwards.

Blackhorse,

I think you misread Judith.

Boy, no tension here today.

traveler
Who knows? I for one will not believe any polls until the elections over and all litigations done. I've seen too much variation in these polls to believe Americans switch sides at every whim.

#203 bob

Yep, the thread's going south was my fault. It's a tense time -- maybe the air will be a little more relaxed when all the lawsuits are over months from now.

#205 kwh

I was just curious what the Brits were using to see Bush as a clear winner -- couldn't have been polls.

Brits (hopefully that isn't an insult, see my last post),

Thanks for the good news.

Rayra,

uh-oh. I wonder if you've stumbled upon something of merit?

My husband has been calling NIU. So far, his calls haven't been returned. Next stop, the university's president, Salme H. Steinberg!

#203 Bob with one O

Bob, I may have and if so I apologize to Judith. I'm a little on the edge and need to settle down.

traveler:

The British media are notoriously fickle...today's been strange. I was watching a BBC piece on the States...and the tone was that the ordinary American in the street was torn between a good wartime President and the allure of an all singing, all dancing Democrat...and the majority of the people they spoke too sided with Bush. This projected the image that Bush was winning the battle...the journalist even managed to avoid democrats with BDS.

Hey everybody,

Well all I have to say is that those murdering bastards that are dug in and waiting for our Armed Forces, to bring extreme pain upon them, better have some kind of religion, however, RoP ain't going to to get it!

ploome hineni
Are you painting with a broad brush? Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. As we all know, many of us have very different beliefs but attacking someone that said "in their opinion" is a bit harsh isn't it? I'm not siding with anyone but shouldn't these differences be discussed instead of inflaming them? After all, we don't want another knock down drag out repeat of things that have happened in the recent past, do we?

Blackhorse,

Me too.

Traveler,

You're not a nail so I won't be a hammer. Just no prosetylizing here. OK? WE. the Christians, Jews, Buddhists etc are all in this together. Plus we're all tense as hell. Check out the other thread and rumors of Chechyans pulling a Beslan here tomorrow.

#181 Q:

"Homosexuality is an innate biological trait."

Sorry, but that has yet to be proven.

Can't we all just get along?

OT: does anyone know where to get the graphic LGF link, the one with the bouncing football? It used to be right on main page but isn't there now. I'm trying to put a graphic link to LGF on my blog, not a text one.

just when you think it cant get any worse. or see them stoop any lower

where do these people even come from???

Romans 3:1 Therefore what advantage does the Jew have, or what is the value of circumcision? 3:2 Actually, there are many advantages.1 First of all,2 the Jews3 were entrusted with the oracles of God.4 3:3 What then? If some did not believe, does their unbelief nullify the faithfulness of God? 3:4 Absolutely not! Let God be proven true, and every human being5 shown up as a liar,6 just as it is written: “so that you will be justified7 in your words and will prevail when you are judged.”8

FYI about the MSA, from Dore Gold's Hatred's Kingdom (p. 147-148)

Since the mid 1960s, Saudi led Wahhabi organizations have been active in the United States. The Muslim Students Association (MSA), founded in 1963 at the University of Illinois, frequently features publications of the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY) on its website. The main works of Wahhabism, including an English translation of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab's Book of Tawhid, have also been featured on the website of the University of Souther California's MSA chapter.

Professor Sulayman Nyang, a Sufi Muslim critic of the "Wahhabization of the Islamic movement: in America has traced the social intellectual history of the MSA and other U.S. Muslim movements in the 1960s. According to Nyang, the MSA was initiated by Muslims from the Indian subcontinent who where followers of Mawlana Abu al-Ala Mawdudi and by Arab students who identified with the Muslim Brotherhood and the ideas of Sayyid Qutb.

...

ISNA's [Islamic Society of North America - Top ISNA leadership had been active in MSA or had links with the Muslim World League] pro-Saudi religious orientation spilled over to tis politics. While some prominent Arab-American organizations initially approved of the 1993 Oslo Agreement between Israel and the PLO, ISNA and MSA condemned any peace treaty with Israel.

Crusader (#181):

Let me guess -- so does macroevolution?

You're entitled to your beliefs, including erroneous ones. As long as you don't try to build government policy or legislation upon them.

Ploome,

Let go of her first statement and read the clarification.

We of late get a little too thin skinned over inadvertant insults.

There is a real enemy out there and it isn't Bigel, Reaganite, Traveler or any of the other regulars here.

but when her OPINION IS BASED ON THE DELIGITIMIZATION of me, my PEOPLE, and my religion.,

Seems to me, almost all religions claim to be the one and only. I don't really see any reason to get so nasty. Only my opinion though.

We of late get a little too thin skinned over inadvertant insults.

Agreed.

To # 45

Judith I wouldn't go getting too heartened about very very few Muslims protesting the hate of there co religists!!

The fact is people like Tarek Fateh, one of whom protested, is still quite a radical muslim whom justisn't quite as bad as these 2 chaps that were caught!!

And lets face it Judith, the only reason these protesters probably exist is because they are not upset with what was said by these 2 bastards but that they were caught in the public eye!!

What these 2 leaders of Islamic Canada said is perfectly in keeping with Islam's teachings...they were only being honest...you can be SURE that most muslims in Canada happily and secretly agree with the sentiments expressed!!

Thanks

#223 Q:

"You're entitled to your beliefs, including erroneous ones."

You mean like the one you're peddling? The scientific and medical community are FAR from consensus on this matter, yet you pass it off as if it were a concrete conclusion.

I don't apologize for pointing it out.

The picture makes Yassin look like Saruman the White. However, unlike Saruman, Yassin never was good to begin with.

Romans 11:16 If the first portion11 of the dough offered is holy, then the whole batch is holy, and if the root is holy, so too are the branches.12

11:17 Now if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among them and participated in13 the richness of the olive root, 11:18 do not boast over the branches. But if you boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 11:19 Then you will say, “The branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 11:20 Granted!14 They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but fear! 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, perhaps he will not spare you. 11:22 Notice therefore the kindness and harshness of God—harshness toward those who have fallen, but15 God’s kindness toward you, provided you continue in his kindness;16 otherwise you also will be cut off. 11:23 And even they—if they do not continue in their unbelief—will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 11:24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree?

#183 Bob with one O

I think I saw on NRO that Vegas has Bush a big favorite also.

but people like Traveler co-op the Bible and their misinterpretations

Unless I missed something here, this isn't the case?

Plato,

Truer words were never spoken.

Roger,

Thank you. Very appropriate.

just when you think it cant get any worse. or see them stoop any lower

where do these people even come from???

Would Crusader be the same as Modern Crusader as in the Blog? If it is...I'd rather not hear any of the arguments from that corner.

#221 ploome homeni

but when her OPINION IS BASED ON THE DELIGITIMIZATION of me, my PEOPLE, and my religion.,

I was not including Judaism in my original comments. My remarks were intended differently. I was wrong to have brought it up. I am sorry to have offended you so greatly. Again -- I am sorry to have offended you (and everyone else in the thread) in such an extreme way.

Blackhorse-apology accepted. Re the Muslims, see my previous thread. I do not apologise for Islam or Muslims but I do speak up for those Muslims who do speak out against the radicals and they do exist and they are often ignored when they do.

One Mr. Fatah, a member present and representing the much more moderate Canadian Muslim Congress immediately and forcefully denounced Dr. Elmasry's comments about all Israelis over 18 being legitimate terrorist targets on the very same show the comments were aired on. However, that part got very little press coverage. That is what I meant by Muslim bashing. I have lots of difficulties with Islam but one simply cannot characterize all Muslims as radical and evil and supportors of terrorism because they aren't. I suspect a higher precentage of Muslims are compared to say the percentage of Christians who believe any nonChristian is a devil worshipper and follower of evil (except for Jews who, of course, always get exemptions for everything from bigots).

Travelor, your reverse discrimination in regards to Jews is as bad as the direct in your face kind you practice for everyone else not of your religion and I've read enough of the works of yoour founder to know you are walking on very dangerous nonChristian grounds, likely under the influence of the very same devil you are seeing in everyone else.

#225 KWH:

almost all religions claim to be the one and only

Just for the record, Judaism does not claim to be the one and only. We believe that "the righteous of all peoples have a place in the world to come."

I note that you said "almost," so perhaps you already knew this :-)

islam = cult

muslim = diaper wearing turbine head asswipe

feed em all grape kool-aid

#239 Judith

Travelor, your reverse discrimination in regards to Jews is as bad as the direct in your face kind you practice for everyone else not of your religion and I've read enough of the works of yoour founder to know you are walking on very dangerous nonChristian grounds

See #238. My apology is to you as well.

ploome hineni
I respect your views but at the same time, you can't honestly believe yours is the only legitimate view. We all have our different beliefs but we all should be mindful that we ALL have sinned and only God will be the final judge.
Perhaps we should get off this topic if we're to thin skinned to discuss it?

#236 Dave Ray:

I'm not sure I get the question, but I do *not* have a blog.

I've been here awhile--I would imagine that one or two folks here could vouch for me.

Travelor-has your opinion changed or are you simply sorry you upset people. Go your way in peace and SIN NO MORE. And drop the damn rock while you're at it.

Rancher,

For some reason I thought the Presidential election was off-limits to Vegas. Here's hoping however.

: )

Crusader (#229):

If anyone has an agenda to peddle, it's you. Quite an unsavory one, too.

That's of more or less marginal importance right now, however. I'm willing to face Islam down together with flat-young-earthers -- as long as we agree to go our separate ways after it is crushed.

Ploomie,

Forget about the replacement theology believer visiting today.

Think instead about these Yassin supporters meeting Nov 3 at Northeastern.

I think they will have a lot to talk about the day after Bush wins the lection.

#226 ploome hineni, it is what traveler does not understand. See 231. The unbelief is refering to unbelief in Jesus Christ as the prophetic Messiah and it states that let G-d be proven true because G-d is more faithful than any human's(Jew or Gentile) particular view which is prone to untruth.

#248 Maine's Michael

Wouldn't it be just cosmic if Arafat died on the eve, or day of a Bush victory?

Maine's Michael, that is such a lovely thought. Thank you for putting an image in my head that made me smile.

181 Q

Homosexuality is an innate biological trait

I read an article on Worldnetdaily.com the other day from an ex-homosexual. He debunked the theory of biological trait with facts supporting the opposite. If I can locate it, I will gladly send you the link to Worldnetdaily.com

#223 Q

You're entitled to your beliefs, including erroneous ones

I suppose all heterosexuals who agree with #216 Crusader are simply just expressing their erroneous beliefs. Count me in.

#247 Q:

"If anyone has an agenda to peddle, it's you."

Wrong again. It was *you* who attempted to pawn off the "inate biological trait" theory of behavior that has YET to be concluded upon by the medical and scientific community.

"Quite an unsavory one, too."

You find truth and accuracy "unsavory"? So sorry.

"I'm willing to face Islam down together with flat-young-earthers..."

I have an idea--why don't you take your "enlightened" non-science and shove it up your ass?

216 Crusader

Actually, religions considering themselves to be the One True Religion(tm) are not at the rule. Not even Judaism considers itself to be that. Once you get past most branches of Christianity and Islam, you start running out of religions that have that attitude.

ploome hineni
As someone who was raised within a Christian background that extends several generations, I don't think so but this seem to be a very touchy subject for you and some others. I would be the first to tell someone off that bashes Jews, Christians, etc., but I have yet to see it in this thread. As I've stated before, perhaps it's best to stick to the subject at hand instead of looking for fights. Plenty of time after the election for these kinds of topics.

#245 Judith

I was referring to cults in general (that's how I view Islam), etc. I was not referring to the Jews. And I mangled the expression of that concept. For that I again apologize.

#248 - I don't believe in replacement theology, either.

#223 Q

You're entitled to your beliefs, including erroneous ones. As long as you don't try to build government policy or legislation upon them.

On what else are you going to base government policy or legislation?

#248 Maine's Michael, but Christianity(for lack of a better handle) cannot replace the root and native branches(Judaism) if it is a branch from wild olive tree grafted in to the G-d's olive tree. It is written to Christians:

remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you

See 231.

I'm not trying to be a mediator here, but has anyone thought about our Brave Men that are about to make an assault on Fallujah very soon? I could care less what anyone's religion is, (and that's a sore topic to discuss on the 'net) but there are going to be many casualties in this assault and if you pray or believe in someone, then pray for our Troops. When the assault is launched, they won't have the convenience to sit behind a computer and argue and curse someone because they said or believe in such and such religion...just sayin.

there is no theologic argument you can win

This is your "final" arguement? Someone says something contradictory to your beliefs and they are Jew haters? Well, isn't that just spiffy. Perhaps YOU are a bit thin skinned, but I still won't use that as a tool to form an opinion of you. I still would argue for your right to your beliefs, but others are entitled too you know.

I'm not trying to be a mediator here, but has anyone thought about our Brave Men that are about to make an assault on Fallujah very soon? I could care less what anyone's religion is

Amen, I will not discuss theology on this thread again.

Back on topic, I emailed "Dean" Kelly at NIU about the MSA hatefest. Email got bounced back- the good dean is obviously being inundated with furious letters.

Let's see if he's got any balls, or merely looks out for his pension (not that the two are necessarily mutually exclusive)

119 Traveler. Don't forget, They considers Jews and Christians Monkeys as well as pigs. The thing that needs to be stopped is groups like CAIR who schedule and speak to American schoolchildren telling them that Islam and Christianity are nearly the same. You're right, they diminish Jesus to the level of just a prophet.

Some of them thin bin Laden is now a prophet too, what's that say?

I don't understand the need for Islam to be introduced into American schools in the first place. Kids are suspended for passing out Christian or Jewish literature in public schools, yet Islam can waltz right in.

It has to stop. And we'll be the ones to stop it. Our politicians won't do it, so we'll have to.

#76

The Republicans have been doing the same thing with Kerry signs here in New Hampshire. It's a despicable practice, regardless of which side is doing it, but don't assume that it's only Democrats engaging in this sort of thing.

Correction: Think, not thin...sorry

Nam,

Thanks. I have but one enemy and he is not found here.

Earl
You know these "educated" people know better than us seemingly less educated. Seems their giant brains (egos) get in the way of rational thinking.

#265 D.C. Watson

Yes -- I think some schools in California have already had "Muslim Appreciation" days. If they have that here, my kids won't be there.

Uh Judith...no one is tarring all muslims...at least I hope they are not...

BUT I am tarring ALL ISLAM which is evil as its founder who was a murdering perverse looting scoundral!!

And Tarak Fateh is no moderate in any sense from where we stand in Western Civ!! He calls Jews occupiers of Palestine and much other left wing islamic radical trash...you can be sure if we could here what this man says in private, he would hardly be what one would term a lover of liberal democracy!!

And with regards to the debate about the Christian faith...let it be known that Christianity is indeed competely mutually exclusive...that is the claim of Christ...By nature Truth is intolerant, if you want to use that term, of untruth...So Christianity does deny all other ways but of the Cross to God's Kingdom!

That should not be surprising or shocking as it has been taught from day one...

The diff is that in Islam they by their teaching will force you to believe in what they believe...we will simply proclaim as per Christ's teachings...however annoying that is for non Christians!!

But Christianity has a unique relationship with Jews and Judiasm...their is no Christianity without Judiasm...our faith comes from it...Christ himself makes the claim that he has not come to destroy the Law but fulfill it...

We cannot avere from that...but too say Judiasm is evil is incorrect by a long shot...then we have too call a large portion of Christianity evil...their is tremendous truth in Judiasm...we simply disagree on the essential idea of who Jesus is??

Disagreeing theologically is not to be taken as demeaning or belittling anyone...we all need to study these things if they are what they say they are!??

As you know my wife worked for 9.5 years in a Orthodox Jewish school and still does long distance work for Rabbi Glougaur in Long Island...we would always have healthy disagreements and we wouldn't try to play around them or hide them...most Jews know very well what Christ says about Salvation...and it is there right to reject that...I never had ONE problem in Calgary's wonderfully Jewish community and they knew I was a Bible believing Christian...but we had many interesting debating points and always left on wonderful terms...I mean look at it this way...I have gentile relatives that are not Christians yet I will always Love them whilst respectively disagreeing with their theology or lack therof...

Thanks

#264 Earl

the good dean is obviously being inundated with furious letters.

Let's hope so.

ploome?

Still with us?

#246 Bob with one O

This is what I was refering to at NRO The Corner:

HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT? [KJL]
Wayne Root, one of the top predictors in Las Vegas, says bookies say Bush rather easily. On MSNBC earlier.
Posted at 12:03 PM

#261 'Nam Grunt

I do pray for their success.

I also pray their commanders won't be as stupid as the Israeli commanders (and I say that as an Israeli citizen and the son of an exIDF officer), and risk troops in order to misguidedly try and score points with the world press or the 'arab street'.

Blackhorse (#254):

That might be interesting to read. Even though WNT is far from an authoritative scientific publication and a testimony from a "convert" is, unfortunately, inherently suspect.

I think I should qualify my initial statement, though: homsexuality is an innate biological trait in a lot -- indeed, in the majority of -- cases. However, sometimes it can be situational, or a result of a confusion etc.

My main beef with the theolaters such as "Crusader" is that the "homosexuality is a depraved Jesus-offending choice" flapdoodle they peddle is but a hallmark of a more general assault on personal freedoms of homosexuals and heterosexuals (which I am, btw) alike.

Crusader (#255):

What's with the anal fixation, buddy? Certain repressed urges, huh?

#274 Rancher

Sounds like he would bet on it. I'll take any good news.

Fiddler of the roof 2 / payback time

The cossacks burned his house and killed his family,
but they made one big mistake, they left him alive!

Producer Jerry Bruckhimer

Director John Woo

Starring James Khan as Teyvia

Tanya Roberts as his wife Golda

The suicide girls as his daughters.

"f-tradition, this time it's personal!"

From the front page of the Muslim Student Association at Northeastern Illinois University:

Islam has laid down some universal fundamental rights for humanity as a whole, which are to be observed and respected under all circumstances. To achieve these rights, Islam provides not only legal safeguards, but also a very effective moral system. Thus, whatever leads to the welfare of the individual or the society is morally good in Islam and whatever is injurious is morally bad. Islam attaches so much importance to the love of God and love of man that it warns against too much formalism.

That's not the Islam I see.

#275 MM,

I hardly think that our military commanders are going to haphazardly risk the lives of American Soldiers, no more than I believe the commanders of the IDF Forces would either, would your DAD do that?

Rancher,

That's great news. When was the last time the casinos bet poorly?

I don't want an answer (Tyson, Raiders etc).

#278 piglet:
I'm LOLing at you again...

#276 Q:

"I think I should qualify my initial statement, though: homsexuality is an innate biological trait in a lot -- indeed, in the majority of -- cases."

You can "qualify" and requalify your statement as many times as you like, but it is no more scientifically proven than your original one.

"My main beef with the theolaters such as "Crusader" is that the "homosexuality is a depraved Jesus-offending choice"

In your ZEAL to make up science that is yet to exist, you've mistaken me with someone else--I'm made exactly ZERO revelations about my religious beliefs in this thread.

Care to back-peddle some more?

"...flapdoodle they peddle is but a hallmark of a more general assault on personal freedoms of homosexuals and heterosexuals (which I am, btw) alike."

Funny, I feel the same way (an assault on my personal freedoms) when someone attempts to pawn off unproven "feel good" philosophy as if it were *suddenly* scientific fact.

"What's with the anal fixation, buddy? Certain repressed urges, huh?"

Hardly. I merely called called out an ass when I saw one.

#108

I can't think about anything else, either (but I'm rooting for Kerry, anyway).

I just wanted to say to all you GOP'ers out there that, even though I'm not rooting for your guy, I am proud and honored to have all of you as my fellow-citizens. The fact that we can argue with each other about politics but still work and live together peacefully day in and day out makes me even more proud to be an American. May the best man win tomorrow!

#275 Maine's Michael , that is also why my blood boils when watching the History channel covering the Vietnam war; where the US politicians provided a sanctuary in Cambodia for the enemy, only at one time allowing the US military to go in 30 km for only sixty days. That helped briefly. However, the most of the enemy could retreat for another 30km and wait it out. For a short time after the US did not have many casualties until the enemy built back and could come back into Vietnam on the offense again. Seems to me history could have been written differently if the politicians weren't such ... well I better stop there.