I had a feeling you were voting Bush.

good , me to

Yeah no suprise on the Bush vote, but don't worry we were all pretty frusterated back then.

I am voting George Walker Bush tomorrow, too.

A guy I work with last week: "You'd have to be insane to vote for Bush."

Welcome to the Asylum. Let me show you around...

I know that I will never forget.

It is painfully obvious that we NEED Bush more than ever.

GO VOTE. And Vote Republican across the board.

GOD BLESS all of you!

Well then here's to Bush -
he's way too good for liberals to even HAVE for a president,
he's way too good for the Europeans who don't even realise that a war on terror protects THEM too,
but if they all (and we) are lucky, they will have him anyway for another 4 years!

I won't forget. I also endorse George W. Bush. Tomorrow's vote, for me, may be one of the most sacred and spiritual things I've done in a while. I'm voting for Bush for those who died on 9/11, for my kids, and for my grandbaby. And for you, Charles, and all the LGF posters and lurkers out there.

Go Bush/Cheney!!

Right on.

#5 Rare Hollywood Republican

They're comin' to take us away (heh-heh)...

Bush, Of Course!!!
And I'll be driving older folks to the polls all day long, then go to Republican HQ here in Lake County, Ohio for lots of VICTORY celebrations, following the end of the voting.

I mailed my absentee ballot today.

Bush all the way!

This is from an Environmental Science major college student.

These are strange days, strange days indeed.

Well Duh! Just joking. Thanks. Go W.

Bush gets it. Kerry is clueless. Even tonight during a campaign stump he said "The world is watching"-- does that mean he's looking for another glodal test???

I think this will be the drinking thread for tonight.

/Where did I put those Mike's Lemonades?

add me to the Bush list for tomorrow but then he had me from the 'soon they'll hear all of us' speech from the WTC.

OT: Powerline has a post up (via Drudge) saying the Kerry campaign is making calls to voters in FL claiming Stormin Norman is supporting Kerry! Schwartzkopf has issued a demand that they stop and emphatically endorsing W.

Charles

You have helped many of us find our voices in the last four years. What an incredible journey have taken us on.

Thank you.

#12 techie

Now that is a ringing endorsement. Your brilliant mind is being wasted in a university -- but good luck to you. I sincerely mean that.

Me too, too.

Thanks for all that you do here, Charles.

I voted for him last week! Although I am disappointed in his domestic agenda (to those of you who think the FMA was his idea, you are mistaken, it is from my Congrssional Representative, Marilyn Musgrave!) I have to go with the words of an old U of Iowa football coach: "You have to dance with the girl what brung ya!"

That single image captures why I'm voting GWB tomorrow.

8 years (1993-2001) of faciliating...

...waffling...

...condoning...

...poll watching...

...directly led to the destruction and death of September 11, 2001.

My vote for GWB is a vote of support for GWB NOT asking permission to defend our soil...

...NOT doing what's "popular" with the word, and...

...NOT giving in to those who wish us harm.

Stay the course, Mr. President.

Finish the job.

Never forget.

How odd, I would have pegged you for a Nader fan, Charles. :-Þ

I was only 16 at the time of the last election, and annoyed over Gore's attempt to steal the election. I was in favor of Bush after watching Clinton's shady dealings with regard to the Chinese (Lewinsky always seemed like a distraction at best, in my opinion; it was selling nuclear secrets that should have gotten him into the real trouble), but didn't consider it an issue of utmost importance. I figured, Bush or Gore, America would endure and keep doing pretty well.

This election is entirely different. America could probably survive four years of Kerry - but I'm certain that not all American citizens will survive that period, with his soft approach to terrorism undoubtedly providing the same fuel that Clinton's did.

Bush will win. America will not fall, not yet; if this election manages to cause the meltdown of the 60's-era leftists, so much the better, because then perhaps America can return to being proud of itself without being assailed on all sides by people saying that it's wrong to do so.

Just for the heck of it I just took a ride past my polling location. It is packed with cars setting up for tomorrow. Man I wanted to run up to the door and scream "let me in!!!". I'm so damn anxious to vote for W.

OT heartland news

Oh oh!, the obstructionators desperate death throes...

Daschle sues Thune in federal court to remove only Republican poll watchers

By the way, the federal judge hearing the case... right NOW... was appointed by Daschle himself.

Gotta pile on the thanks...

Charles, thanks for providing excellent daily reading material - something the MSM should try.

History will smile upon the Charles Johnson entry!

At the same moment as the LGF endorsed Bush,
I saw the weather forecast for Ohio showing rain and thunderstorms all over the state tomorrow!

At least for Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Columbus...([Link: www.weather.com)...]

Continue the rain-dance.

I'm a Bushie too, as is my family of four in the most Democratic county in California. I vote because it is an honor to vote for him and for the future of my Country!

rayra, 'nam Vet, Geepers

Where are you guys?

voted in early voting, as a democrat I voted straight down the line republican.

We've all changed a lot since that day. Thanks Charles for being on the leading edge the whole time.
Think we'll continue this metamorphosis for a while.

Get up early.
Turn on FOX.
Nudge mouse awake.
Slurp coffee.
Pollute lungs with nicotine.
Kiss wife as she leaves to go vote.
Back to TV/LGF.
Rotate head to release cricks.
Time for lunch...fuck lunch, where's my pecan sandies.
Slap self in face. Go work on the addition.
Kiss wife home from the shop.
Drive to HS to vote.
Home.
Don sweats.
Pop the new bottle of single malt.
Hoist silent toast to General C. Johnson.

Have nervous farging breakdown!

#16 Retread

the Kerry campaign is making calls to voters in FL claiming Stormin Norman is supporting Kerry!

They're pulling that nonsense here in NJ too. There's very little the LLL moonbats won't stoop to.

I'm not in the mood to be nuanced. After the OBL video anyone who still votes for John Kerry is a traitor. You're either with us or with the terrorists. You either believe the war on terror needs to be fought or you buy into the conspiracy theories of the left that OBL so cynically parotted. A Kerry presidency would mean the end of America as it was constituted in 1789. Notice Kerry's Orwellian campaign slogan 'A Fresh Start For America'.

#33 Peter

You're right. Bloody well right!

you're voting for BUSH??? Whaa?? How can you?

Don't you know that G.W. Bush's corporate/imperialistic/zionist/jooo/Haliburton/oi l war on IRAQ caused 9/11?

I'm voting for sKerry. I like the global test...more people to cheat off of.

Charlie is suporting Bush, what a surprise!

Never forgive, either.

I think Charles' words then say why a person should vote for W tommorrow...

I preface this by saying that I may be the least patriotic person I know.

But I am going to refrain from posting any more criticism of our President for the duration of whatever is about to happen. (Unless he does something really dumb.)

Some visitors have apparently been seeing my criticism of President Bush as an invitation to post comments implying... no, saying outright that America deserves what happened on September 11th.

I've had to ban a couple of those people, something I really hate to do. But this is our house. If you're going to come in here, show some decency. Don't tell me the children in those planes deserved what happened to them. Don't tell me America deserved this. If you're able to say that with such disgusting and self-important glibness, you are putting yourself on the same moral level with the monsters who did this crime, and we don't want you here.

Make no mistake. I never thought I would say this, but the President has my full support now, in whatever he chooses to do. I pray he somehow finds the correct course through this labyrinth of hate and darkness.

W HAS changed the world, the world just hasn't completely recognized it YET...

bueatifully written Charles, hope you don't mind.

I endorse GWB all the way (for what my endorsment is worth). I am here nervous with beer in hand and just wanting this to all be over and done. This has been a long and brutal election year and I am just plain weary (as are many others I am sure). God be willing America will come through in the end.
What is so scary to me is that the likes of a Jf'nK (treason and all) could command 1% of the vote, it's just chilling to think it's anywhere near a race. Well goodnight all throw back a few and relax, I am (just don't throw back so many ya don't get up to VOTE!).

There was a post by an Iraqi that basically said if you vote against Bush it will reinforce the terrorists. He/She further added that if Kerry is so good, elect him in 2008. Right now, don't change the leader in the middle of the fight.

I agree, God bless W and 4 more years!

Sittin' here drinkin' a beer. :-)

I watched "FarenHYPE 9/11" over the weekend. WOW!

But today I received my copy of "Celcius 41.11" and just finished watching it. I cried through a lot of it.

The scenes of 9/11, and then at the end they showed W throwing that strike in Yankee Stadium.
This documentary is so powerful.

I've been a Dubya fan from day 1. But never thought I would be so rabid about a candidate.

After 9/11, the world changed, and those too blind to see this are the ones that are now trying to destroy our Country.

W is the only man that can lead us through the next four years.

Here's to W. 9-11-01 change me as well. Let us fight the good fight and prevail. I heard that a pundit in Florida said, "you walk into the polling booth with Osama bin laden or the victims of 9-11, the soldiers who fight against him and your sons and daughters and grandchildren. I know who will be with me early tomorrow morning.

G_d be with us!

#5 Rare Hollywood Republican 11/1/2004 06:41PM PST

All the voices in my head argued with each other for awhile and finally settled on Bush as well. (grin)

I voted for Bush last week and will be driving people to the polls all day tomorrow. I remember falling to my knees (literally) that day to pray for our country...I will be doing the same tomorrow.

Charles,

Thanks for keeping to the words you wrote on 9/13/2001. I just wish I found this site a few years eariler.

I, like many on this blog, never voted for a Republican presidential candidate before 9/11.
Now, not only will I never forget what it means to be an American, I am not certain if I will ever vote for a Democrat again, not even for dog catcher.

And herein lies the difference. At seems like half this country is at war with those who murdered 3000 of cour citizens and would murder many more...
while the other half is at war with George Bush.

I can only hope and pray that the former outnumber the latter or we truly are all doomed.

I would like to thank Charles for his hard work, his wit and his dedication to this process. I would also like to thank all of the other LGFrs who make this worthwhile. It is for reasons like this (and on-line porn, of course) that make me bless the day that Algore invented the internet (just kidding).

I voted George Walker Bush --absentee --Illinois

Though I am not a convert, I voted for him 4 years ago.

OT, bush has done good, he had to fight both the UN and the damn democrats to do what was the right thing to do. it sucks that them bastards used the iraq war to try and get back in power, AT THE COST OF USA

where did the term moonbats come from?
is it cus they fly on the moon where there is no air ?

#11 charles 9/12/2001 05:44PM PST
Quote:
Action speaks louder than words...I hope he's a Texan down to his boots, I hope he takes firm action and fast.

On this, I agree totally. We need a Texan right now.

I do worry about letting the Texans loose though.

Thanks for all you do Charles. Thank you for playing guitar, learning code and publishing, thank you for deciding to live a real life instead of a Hollywood dream. You have already made a mark and lived a life far more worthwhile than most of your contemporaries; challenged 'what is' and made a real difference in the real world.

Go, W. go. I can't wait to watch the lefty fur fly.

Although I think Bush is soft on his border policy and am disappointed by his offer of anmesty to those who broke our laws as soon as they came here I support Bush.
I would much rather the government didn't take tax money to begin with instead of making vague promises I will get it back. It never worked that way before.
George Bush hasn't blamed the Americans for everything from AIDS to poverty in Africa to the weather. John kerry even suggests we should right those wrongs. It makes me want to shiver.
There are people trying to kill each of us and our families. John Kerry seems paralized and unwilling to protect us. George Bush has shown he is.
In a fair world this would be a joke. Many of us are voting for suicide tommorrow.

Peter Verkooijen,

I'm not in the mood to be nuanced.

I'm with ya brother. I'm for bein' able to take out the brass knuckles again.

LGF used to be a fun place. ;-)

I already voted last week by absentee ballot.

Thank you to Charles and the LGF community over the last two years for the intellectual debate which helped bring me to the conclusions I came to in making my choice and for the support I gained to replace that which I have lost by moving away from the political "nest" of those who have been close to me.

And, on an unrelated but shamefully self-absorbed topic:

I took my boards today!!!

Won't know if I passed for another couple of weeks, but, mercifully, it's over.

My hoped-for November trifecta: President Bush is re-elected, I pass my boards, and the arafish finally takes the long flush-spiral into the bowels of hell.

A girl can dream...

Geepers, MM mom, glad to see your here. I've got all the orange wiped off whatever...

#28 michaelg

They're partyin'. They're cool that way. Actually I wonder myself. Where y'all at?

Yes, thank you Charles for keeping up the good fight!

Charles,

I just wanted to thank you for everything you have done for this country over the last few years. Yours was the first voice of sanity I found when I turned to the internet to find an alternative to the PoMo, multi-culti, why-do-they-hate-us crap being spooned to us by the MSM.

I also want to applaud your steadfastness during this time. While other liberal hawks have wavered and have turned on Bush to alleviate their own dissonance, you have remained firm.

[Link: www.reason.com...]

you don't have to respect the man, you should respect the office.

Couldn't agree more. I have little respect for W (yes, still) -- and zero, or indeed negative one, for Kerry -- but I do respect the office and, more importantly, what it represents.

That being said, there's no one to vote for -- only against. W may deserve to lose, but Kerry doesn't deserve to win. (And the rest of the rabble isn't worthy of even the symbolic vote: Badnarik the imbecile, Nader the noxious Jew-hater and anti-business nut etc.)

I'll leave it at that.

So far, I've yet to meet a Kerry voter that can give me a half-way decent reason for why they're votin' JF'nK tomorrow.

One genius a few weeks ago had the most ignorant reason I've seen so far. His whole reasoning why he wasn't voting for Bush was due to the fact that, under laws enacted since 2001, his marijuana possession charge disqualifies him from getting a student loan. Every arguement he had to offer read like the DNC play-book (Bush was AWOL, Iraq was a distraction, etc.).

#20 Biker Dude

Weld County ALL THE WAY! :-D

University of Northern Colorado student here...Voting BUSH tomorrow morning.

And of course Marilyn Musgrave.

Charles, I'm glad that you posted your reactions to 9/11.

Mine were very similar. I voted for Gore in the last election. I've only been a Republican for a few months (after being a lifelong Democrat.) My heart turned Republican a couple of years ago and I finally filled out the forms to make the change permanent.

My reaction on September 11th was not partisan.

I decided on September 12th that I was NOT a member of any particular party. I was an American and I would stand behind Bush as he fought our enemies.

It didn't take long for the Democrats to show their true colors. They left me behind. I stayed with Bush.

Little by little, I began to realize how grossly distorted the Democrats and the left happen to be. When Bush's father attacked Saddam in 1991, I did actually support that war. I crossed party lines because we were at war and I knew that we had to prevail.

I'm sickened by what the left has done (and tried to do to this country) since 9/11. I don't know what they think they have to gain by our losing wars and being subject to extinction by bloodthirsty enemies who get a kick out of dying if it means they can kill us -- but I will have no part of their belief system ever again.

I'm a former Democrat/Liberal who has switched over to the right side for good, literally.

I know I'm not alone. I'm very grateful that I could see where/how/why the left is horribly wrong and turn my back on them.

#58

It's cool that we have people of the same mind. I like Nam Vets input. The truth is that Kerry is a traitor and an a$$hole. I am hoping that I can wake up on 11/3 and see my President victorious.

#54 mmommydoc---of COURSE YOU PASSED!!!and congrats in advande--you and w are gonna rule!!!

sorry Geepers didn't see ya there. (plus slow fingers)

CB #24

By the way, the federal judge hearing the case... right NOW... was appointed by Daschle himself.

Yes, and the little weasel waited until election eve, and the hearing is at 8:00 p.m. tonight. Typical. Don't guess you've heard anything yet? Is SD central or mountain time?

Q

So, spit it out. Who are you voting for. Stop with the vascillating suff...

# 61--lomgmont here-dont forget pete coors

mikeymom (#64) Thank you!! for your confidence. It's a very intimidating experience, but I am feeling okay about it. Time will tell...

Time for bed but, before I go pour my gin & get my paperback, I'd like to offer my heartfelt gratitude not only to the leader of the band but also to all the old reg'lars (Caton, you out there, soldier?) and all you newbies for being here to lift me up when I gave up, for making me laugh when tears were nigh and for convincing me for the first time in decades that sanity and good will, while scarce, are not yet completely extinguished.
You are the wierdest, most opiniated, cantankerous, funniest bunch of brilliant stars in America's and little sister Israel's firmament and I love all of you.

That includes you, Bigel!

"Never, never, never, never give up!"
Winston Churchill

It's not necessary for me to drive to the polling place tomorrow.

My absentee ballot has been in for a couple of weeks already. It wasn't a difficult decision.

And I'd like to add my thanks to Charles for all the inspiration that he's provided to the entire LGF family.

Just started thread here, so I don't know what others posted, but

Charles . . .

You and I seemed to have changed at just about the same time. Too bad I didn't discover your blog until around January 2003. You've made all the difference to many of us out there who need to discuss these grave matters without a lot of "Halliburton" and "Bush is stupid" talk (which I just had with my LLL Dad 10 minutes ago, for example).

Thanks again for your wonderful blog. You are helping to save the world from the evil and the clueless.

mommydoc,

A girl can dream...

Oh yeah !

I went through a similar transition as Charles. I slowly became more conservative since sept 11, and will be voting for Mr. Bush. The only other republican I've voted for was Mr. Bloomberg (NY republican clubs didn't even endorse him!).
First I am a Jew and have freed myself from the "Jewish Uncle Tom democrat" syndrom. Too many jews never question the Dems. That is changing, but the GOP is changing too. I'm still a registered Democrat and agree with many Dem non-economical social issues.
But I ramble. It's funny to see Charles go through what I'm sure many of us did. God bless. May the election be a swift solid victory. And may we all accept the outcome whatever it is, in the end we are all Americans, and if John Kerry wins he wont stop them from hating us but he'll give up a great deal, so we'd need to be even stronger.

Remember to save gas and wear and tear on your car. Call the Democrats and make them drive you to the polls!

/they're offering after all

#68

Oh, no, definitely not forgetting Pete. :) Boo Salazar and Matsunaka.

Once more, I support President Bush because, my heroes have always been cowboys!

[Link: www.goodolddogs.com...]

(No, I don't know whose website it is.)

I never voted for a Republican candidate in my life.
I voted for Al Gore.
And on September 11th, as I watched our nation burn, I said, "Thank G-d George Bush is President."
He has not disappointed me.
He has heartened me.
And I have voted Republican since that day.
And I will once more tomorrow.

I remember talking to people at work the morning of September 11th while the towers burned, before they had even fallen. I remember saying we were going to have to do things we weren't going to like having to do but I hoped Bush and the country would be up to the task.

In these past 3 years I think Bush has gotten more right than wrong, certainly more right than I think anyone else would have and more than I think we had a right to expect from him. As I told a friend today, Bush may make mistakes, some really big but he's fighting the right fight. I'll take that over the guy who will do the right things in pursuit of the wrong ends everyday.

The choice isn't between what I'd like to see done in an ideal world but between Bush and Kerry.

Watching those towers burn I only imagined how many people we would have to kill and hoped that it would be worth it in the end. I never would have dared to dream that our response would be so American. Instead of killing for revenge or just our safety, our men and women have fought and died to bring freedom to parts of the world that were frankly ceasepools. That's how we Americans protect ourselves, by making other people better.

I am glad George W. Bush is our President tonight and hope to God he will be for 4 more years. The other option is too frightning to contemplate.

I stand with the President, George W. Bush

#69 mommydoc

If you feel good about it you passed. It is over and done.

Yes, thank you Charles for providing us with the opportunity to share our thoughts with others. And thank you to all that post here, (well, with the exception of a few and we all know who they are) you guys have provided me with valuable information.

You've shared links to important sites that would have taken others far too long to find on their own. I have shared so many of your helpful links with others.

Charles, I didn't find out about LGF until I heard about it on FOX because of rathergate. Now that I've found you all, I'm never letting go.

Keep the Faith, and keep blogging. We need you!

paraphrasing the Bard:

Some men are born great
Some achieve greatness
Others have greatness thrust upon them

GWB had greatness thrust upon him like few men in history. 9/11 changed many of us profoundly. It changed Bush most profoundly of all. Who could have known how providential the result of the 2000 election was? I doubt that George Bush himself knew what greatness he could achieve. None of us, in 2000 had any idea that we'd be holding ringside seats for the apocalypse. Thank God for having this man at the helm. Pray that he stays there for more years.
JWM

well, mommydoc--you once took me to the "woodshed" for an ignorant comment i made-lol
i learned my lesson---you are one of the best lgf-ers-and thats how i know you passed your boards--(if i were younger, would have loved a job in the med field-admire ans respect all who do)

As the child of Russian exiles I will vote for W tommorow in great confidence he continue to take the fight to the enemies of freedom and the purveyors of terror. The only way I know most of my family is from old fadded and tattered photo books thanks to the likes of comrade commissar. There is no way I can ever vote for anyone that appeased, let alone gave comfort to communists, in good conscience. His desire to appease tyranny in the name of friendship for "alliances" only adds insult to injury. I sincerly hope Bush carries the day tommorow.

I'm a GOP election challenger person tomorrow. Basically, I walk around behind the tables where the voter's credentials are checked and make sure they follow procedures.

Wish me luck.

How nice to see the evolution of LGF. a thirteen post thread? Now I look at threads and say oh that's gonna be over 500 comments.

The main reason I support President Bush:

The advance of freedom is the calling of our time; it is the calling of our country. From the Fourteen Points to the Four Freedoms, to the Speech at Westminster, America has put our power at the service of principle. We believe that liberty is the design of nature; we believe that liberty is the direction of history. We believe that human fulfillment and excellence come in the responsible exercise of liberty. And we believe that freedom -- the freedom we prize -- is not for us alone, it is the right and the capacity of all mankind.

Working for the spread of freedom can be hard. Yet, America has accomplished hard tasks before. Our nation is strong; we're strong of heart. And we're not alone. Freedom is finding allies in every country; freedom finds allies in every culture. And as we meet the terror and violence of the world, we can be certain the author of freedom is not indifferent to the fate of freedom.

With all the tests and all the challenges of our age, this is, above all, the age of liberty.

President Bush, November 6, 2003

"Senator, I will say this. I think that politically, historically, the one thing that people try to do, that society is structured on as a whole, is an attempt to satisfy their felt needs, and you can satisfy those needs with almost any kind of political structure, giving it one name or the other. In this name it is democratic; in others it is communism; in others it is benevolent dictatorship. As long as those needs are satisfied, that structure will exist." - John F. Kerry, Congressional Testimony, April 22, 1971.

"I have always said from day one that the goal here . . . is a stable Iraq, not whether or not that's a full democracy. I can't tell you what it's going to be, but a stable Iraq. And that stability can take several different forms." - John F. Kerry, April 14, 2004.

Early vote last week for GWB .. which I didn't do in 2000 because of foreign policy (or lack of it) and I'm a registered Repub. Didn't dislike the man, just wasn't impressed.

Like you, Charles, 9.11 changed me. I hadn't watched a tv in several years after certain deeply searing personal tragedies. In despair, I looked to my president and he rose to the occasion. He grew right before my eyes and became the president this country needed.

Until 9.11, politics were more or less a necessary evil .. sometimes exciting, mostly not .. but I did my patriotic duty since legal age way back when and even campaigned for friends locally.

Even the continual terrorist attacks all these years of my people Israel had seemed rather remote (hopeless is more like it) until 9.11 when it hit "home" .. another heart wrenching tragedy in the family.

May G-d be with us tomorrow and for the next 4 years.

Thank you for this site, Charles. Ever since stumbling in, I've enjoyed it more than anything else on the 'net. Definitely #1 in my book.

It has been said that GWB's "purpose" came to be on 9/11.
That day he found himself in the humbling position of being Commander-In-Chief of the United States in a time of war.

He has done this nation proud by refusing to listen to the appeasers who would rather skulk away to the safety of their lairs than stand up and fight for liberty and freedom.

GWB and the military have done their job exceedingly well, folks. Now, it's time to do ours. It's time to show the LLL, Michael Moore, OBL, the Hollywood and Academic Elite as well as France and Germany that the grown-ups still run things in this country. Get out and vote - may GWB and the military be as proud of us as we are of them.

I remember the pictures of our enemies celebrating after 9/11. Tomorrow night those same vile enemies will sleep with either joy or bewildered fear. Put fear in the hearts of our enemies and re-elect President Bush. It is his vision that freedom can be planted in the oppressed nations to replace the hate that has been growing for generations.

This is a good time to thank the good people here
thank you LGF

It seems within the LLL no one gets it. Our enemies amass around us and there is talk about nuance and sensitivity. These fuckers want to killl us and we debate on how to appease them... Wrong thinking.

No matter what Osama says, he cannot guarantee safety to anyone. W will fight them, Kerry will appease them.

4 more years!

I'm not American so I can't vote. I'm also a long-time leftie from way back (and still am on most social issues).

But I'm sick at the mere idea of Kerry winning, and I pray with all my heart that Bush wins tomorrow--resoundingly. (I don't think my nerves could handle weeks and weeks of litigation before there's a decision.)

Charles, like everyone else here, I'm so grateful for all you do. As I told my husband tonight, "I don't think I could get through tomorrow evening without LGF."

I don't expect to be posting much, but I'll sure as hell be lurking.

P.S. That's a very poignant photo. Who took it?

75 Killian Bundy sounds like a good idea. My polling place is only 2 blocks away. I can see it from my back door.

#23 beblebrox

I'm so damn anxious to vote for W.

Me, too, brother. Me too. It's all I can do to keep from scarfing down every chocolate Halloween candy in sight!

Charles, it's been a privilege to have been along for the ride with this blog. May God bless you and your efforts.

I was not a fan of Bush but I remember thinking on 9/11 that now we're going to find out what kind of president we've got. He did pretty good, considering.

I think this link from a website run by someone who was a Democrat and will be voting for a Republican in a national election for the first time pretty much sums up what we all know and feel: Fifty Reasons Why. The pictures and commentary are stunning.

One more thing - don't forget that a few weeks after the Spanish elections (on April 2) a bomb was found on the tracks of the high speed train (AVE) south of Madrid (link). If Kerry wins, prepare for the wolves to stike here as well.

Bush for me.

Let's not let our Aussie friends down!!

I say prayers for Bush. I worry about him, and Laura too. I don't much like what sometimes happens to good people in positions of power in this world, and they are both good people. I'll be praying for W's continued safety - I think he is going to win this. I think he is going to win because I have faith in the overall good character of the majority of Americans.

As for the weather and how it will affect the election - well, I think that the strong people voting for Bush are voting for GOOD, which is a lot stronger than the Kerry voters who are mostly voting out of hatred and sometimes ignorance.
Ignorance just doesn't try too hard, so a few raindrops might keep the idiots away, and the haters - well, they just don't have much fortitidue when you consider what they are fighting FOR. They are fighting for everything that's wrong with this country. If you can call it fighting, since they are such total weenie-panty-waists. I guess I should call it whining and lying, not "fighting".

Even in bad weather, the good folks voting for Bush will make every effort to get to the polls.

Thanks for everything, Charles. Your website has been like a second home for me since soon after 9/11.

I was also PO'ed at George Bush in the days following 9/11. But the NYC visit and the Sept. 20th(?) speech totally blew me away. I fell in love with George. That man has more heart, more guts, more determination, and more love for his country than I've EVER seen in a president (yeah, yeah ... Reagan ...maybe).

Of course, tomorrow I pull the lever for George.

My brother-in-law was on vacation from work at the WTC that day. The man who was his replacement died. We were lucky. Two of my cousins, another brother-in-law, and my husband's cousin (NYFD) were all downtown, and all were unhurt. We were so lucky.

Never forget.

I'll be voting for Dubya in the morning.

Thanks, Charles for all the information you've provided overt he last four years. I come to LGF several times daily to see what you've posted.

Thanks, Charles, for sharing your little "hobby" blog with the world and in the process creating the New Media Monster LGF has become.

"Little Green Footballs" makes about as much sense as a name as "Google" and "Yahoo!" (Looking forward to the IPO! Ain't the internet wonderful?)

And thanks for all the hard work. I'm proud to be here and to have contributed on the front lines of this media revolution that smacked Dan Rather upside the head!

Trolls, they never see it coming!

2 votes here from wifey and me for George W. Bush.

OT

New drinking thread needed! e-mail Charles. We can call it:

"Who is John Kerry?".

Since John Kerry, his campaign, or the MSM has failed to describle this guy, its time for us LGF's to describe him! Question, "What is your best description of John Kerry and what do you believe he stands for?"

If he can't do it, I'm sure we can do it for him!! bwaaahahahaha

OK, back on T

FOUR MORE YEARS!

Charles -

Thanks for your great website. I sincerely believe all Americans were affected in one way or another by 9/11, however the ones who decided to put their heads in the sand are the ones who now lead the Democratic party. They want things to go back to where they were on 9/10 & it just ain't gonna happen, folks...

My 8-yr old daughter has asked me who I would vote for while watching one of the debates; I told her President Bush, and asked her why.
She said, "I don't like Mr. Kerry."
"Why not?" said I.
"Because he said something mean about the President, and you don't talk about the President like that."

You go, girl, & may you grow strong.

Two years ago I shook hands with the President, looked into his eyes and thanked him for all he has done for our country. He told me he really appreciated my thanks. It was then and still is one of the highest points of my life.

He gets my vote, my husband's vote and the votes of both of my sons - the youngest of whom is voting in his first election.

Four more years, God willing.

When I was 18, I voted for Al Gore, largely because my family voted Democrat. My uncle died on 9/11 on Flight 93..I have been reading Little Green Footballs for almost 3 years now, but have very rarely posted. Once Charles excerpted a post of mine on the main page (I think in early 2003) when I shared my experience working in a debt collection office. There was (and still is) rampant problems with Arab debtors re: massive credit fraud, and despite a visit with a Special Service Agent, no follow-up every resulted. Anyway, I have sent out my absentee ballot weeks ago and I voted for Bush. Amazingly, all members of my immediate family and most the members of my extended family are still voting "D" -- I don't understand them and I don't really want to. In the past 4 years I have been relentlessly reading Thomas Sowell, Charles Krauthammer, Victor Davis Hanson, and countless others. My mindset has changed an awful lot since that day September day, I just wish others were less ignorant of the pervasive evil that exists on this globe.

Q (#59),

you don't have to respect the man, you should respect the office.

Couldn't agree more.

We may disagree about a lot of things, that's one place where we're right together.

You show respect to gain respect. Because that's how it works.

You don't demand respect and then when you get none complain.

How many time have we seen the trolls claim "I don't call names, but since you started it, Fuck you you racist blah blah blah." And they wonder why we dice and slice them.

Charles,
following those links gave me a very neat glimpse into the history of this site- thanks!
4 more years, insha-allah

What a moving thread.

Never forget.

It finally came out! My LLL email friend finally came clean with why he is NOT voting for Bush. This is his reponse to my statement that Islamothugs hate us and our culture:

"But only when we try to ram it down their throats. (Or when we try to take
things from them that don't belong to us, like oil.)
What about the Israeli-thugs?
Our support of Israel is PRECISELY what I was getting at. Are you aware that
the overWHELMING majority of our foreign aid goes to Israel? That translates
to roughly $500 PER Israeli citizen PER year. The average yearly income for
the entire Afro-Muslim world is just over $600. Per YEAR. And we're just
HANDING it to their mortal enemies so they can hand it BACK to us in
exchange for weapons to push Muslims around.
Neither is better than the other. But we chose a side, played favorites. And
now the Muslim world is fighting back the only way they know how. I don't
sympathize with them, but I'm not about to blindly demonize them either.
Could you imagine if the tables were reversed? If the US was some pissant
little mid-eastern country and the world's only superpower gave the Commies
billions of dollars and all the ammo JUST so they could come kick our asses,
take our land, occupy our homes and rape our wives and daughters? We'd fight
back too, and we'd be right to do it! You best believe some redneck would
strap a few sticks of dynamite to his ass and walk into a cafe. This is
America! We don't take no poop from NOBODY! *spit*"

---
I have severed ties with this young man. He is a good friend of my daughter's and spent two Christmases with us when he could not get home to his family. Unfortunately I will have to see him at her wedding, as he is in the wedding party.
His hatred disappoints me more than anything. He is a lost cause.

We here in NJ have been working hard to pull the Garden state for W. I just got back wth the Mrs. from Bergen County Republican HQ and the mood was very upbeat. Me and Mrs. banged about 100 calls each on the phone bank; real positive responses to our calls. Many NYC LGF'ers migrated across the Hudson to join the cause. I even met a guy named John who flew in from Sacramento, CA to help us pull NJ for the Pres.

I think W will bring it home tomorrow.

Bluecollar midwestern Bush supporter here...

awaken ridiculously early
wait patiently for polls to open
do my civic duty (cancel a lefty's vote)
put in an honest days work
go home and enjoy the evening with my family

such is the life of an evil, greedy right-wing extremist

I've been an invisible here since 2001. Lurking, and finding this place an anchor since that terrible day. Sometimes I've felt like a falling man, symbolically, like those poor souls at the WTC.

I'm an army vet too old to fight but still full of fight. After 9-11 I told my wife, "I'm too old - the army doesn't want me any more..."

I guess I'll lock and load my vote for W tomorrow.

I don't always agree with the President, but like Lincoln said of Grant, "I can't spare this man, he FIGHTS!!"

Good going, Charles.

Dunno why but the Sopranos title song is playing itself out in my ears...

"Woke up in the morning, got myself a gun..."

4 more years!

#42 Newsjunkie

I bought Hype for LLL's in the office to watch and the idiot lawyer that immigrated from China and hates Bush has not watched and will not bring it back until after the election. She is beginning to get on my nerves and spouts the crap she hears from liberal websites. She keeps asking about wha happen to ten thouzen votes in florida? She also says she may move is Bush is elected?

Doesn't that just cut it? She should go back to communist China and quit whining about the country that gave her a top-notch education (SMU) and her and her lawyer husband the ability to make over 200k a year! I just boil when I think of people not even born, raised here, and aleady in the blame-America-first croud. Get the hell out and go back to your dark ages country that oh-by the way is trying to defeat us in every manner, just not militarily yet. As soon as they get things straitened out from Clinton handing over our secrets, that will come as well. They are our biggest threat, aside from NK and IRan.

Iron Fist (#91),

Be careful what you wish for. You may get the chance to break out a lot more than brass knuckles.

Iron Fist, my evil twin, if only. :-)

And I was going to include your name in that post, but I didn't want anyone to get the wrong idea and think you promoted violence as a viable solution in any way.

newsjunkie_ky, please at least send him some links and tell him to educate himself. A good place to start would be the links that Charles has at the top on the left.

Myths & Facts: A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict

Palestine Facts

Middle East Info

An Engineered Tragedy: Statistical Analysis of Casualties in the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

Because this ...

If the US was some pissant little mid-eastern country and the world's only superpower gave the Commies billions of dollars and all the ammo JUST so they could come kick our asses, take our land, occupy our homes and rape our wives and daughters?

... is dangerous ignorance. Give him some facts to deal with.

Great post, Charles.

Thanks Charles!

All I can say...

I should have added my thanks to you, Charles, in the first post, but I was so steamed over the Schwartzkopf lie I forgot, so here it is now: thanks for providing the public service that the MSM has forgot was once their obligation. I can no longer imagine how I got along without this blog and a handful of others to stay informed.

I already voted for the President of the United States, the Honorable George Walker Bush.

And so did my bride of 27 years, my oldest son, and my youngest, who prodly serves in the 30th Heavy Seperate Brigade, attached to my own 1st Infantry Division (Mechanized) in Iraq.

God bless the United States of America and God confound her enemies and crown her arms with Victory. My Country, may she ever be .right, but my Country, right or wrong

I back President Bush - here's my reasons:

Why I'm voting for Bush!

#119 Zulubaby,

I have tried, I've sent him so many things. Had discussion after discussion with him.

When I pressed him for kerry's plan (about 12 times) he finally came back with this:

"What plan?
Bushies just don't seem to get it. I don't much care what Kerry's exact PLAN
is for anything. I just know that he's NOT Bush.
It's not complicated:
Bush is the worst president we've ever had. Kerry, for all his faults (and
there are many), cannot POSSIBLY be worse. There, I said it"

---
people like this scare the crap outta me.

My vote a week ago was a metaphoric middle finger to the waffling post-modernist nitwitticism that passes for intelligence these days.

A couple more posts, before this thing becomes irrelivant in about 21 hours.
Swift Goose Veterans for Truth

Tim McNabb
fivehundredwords.com

#112 newsjunkie_ky and
#119 zulubaby

I found "From Time Immemorial" by Joan Peters a very good book for understanding the origins of the conflict in the Middle-East. The appendixes take up about one-third of the book and contain numerous maps, copies of original documents, and references.

#17 davesax

"You have helped many of us find our voices in the last four years. What an incredible journey you have taken us on."

Even, while from the People's Republic of Austin, I couldn't agree more!

Thank you Charles!

#113 Bluestar

Kudos !!!

I think NJ is the first major test for Kerry. Despite the Camden and Essex Cty machines - Kerry is in a lot of trouble in NJ, and the MSM has tried to hide the fact that this trouble exists.

NJ comes at a critical juncture - early enough to really influence and motivate others in the country if it trends to Bush early enough in the evening.

Based on talking to friends, colleagues, and former neighbors in NJ - the WoT is the number one issue for them - and Kerry just cannot get anyone excited except those punchdrunk in koolaid.

Some also are calling this a chance to send a message to McGreevy...by voting against Kerry.

I'm Clutch and I'm proud to say that Ms. Clutch & I will be voting for GEORGE W. BUSH as soon as the polls open tomorrow. I think that the oldest son might just be leanin' towards GWB, too; hope springs eternal...

(Iron Fist's post #91 pretty much describes me, as well; right of center Libertarian, but after 9-11-2001, a staunch Republican (but still with Libertarian leanings on certain issues, like drug decriminalization, even though I haven't smoked a joint since 1979 at a Blue Oyster Cult concert...). I found this site due to an entry in the WSJ "Best Of The Web" (IIRC) and have beencoming here daily ever since. This blog is the best of the best and it has helped keep me sane over the last few years. Even messin' with the trolls has been a blast. Ladies and gentlemen lizards of LGF, esteemed Leader Lizard Charles, I salute you and am mighty damn glad to be in your company. And a special, heartfelt "THANK YOU" to all the vets, young and old, serving and retired; God bless you for your dedication, honor and sacrifice for the greater good of this nation.)

I'm Clutch and I approved this message...

#127 Crazy Ivan

I found "From Time Immemorial" by Joan Peters a very good book for understanding the origins of the conflict in the Middle-East. The appendixes take up about one-third of the book and contain numerous maps, copies of original documents, and references.

I've read that one, too. I think it's the best researched tome on the situation that there is.

newsjunkie_ky, I don't know what to say except I'm sorry. I wish there was a way to get these people to be more reasonable. It must be awful to go through life filled with anger and bitterness.

Well, I'm still at work trying to finish up a project, so I haven't had a chance to read all the comments here. However, I hope there's still some room for me to climb on board! I've only spent a few month lurking here and a couple weeks actually posting, but I'm glad that I "happened upon" LGF.

Thanks Charles (and all) for time well spent.

Now go out and re-elect GWB tomorrow!

OT

Ex-Navy sec to Kerry:
Open up your records
Questions rise on service discharge,
apparently was less-than-honorable

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

Sorry if this is a repeat, but why does no-one that was formerly an employee of the fed govt not fear Kerry in office more than a charge of outing him?

Someone has to take one for the home team!

voletti

yous whan' s'um of di's...? [macanudo blunt freshly lit]

Always rather strange to see a LGF post before LGF wasLGF - pre-lizard, pre-zulu (!), pre-Elvis and Arafish photoshops, pre-Cox and Forkum, and pre-100+ comments! Thanks Charles. You've saved my sanity over these past 2 and a half years. ('Bout time the checkbook comes out again, I guess;-)

I will be going to bed soon and will be setting my alarm for 5 - I plan to be out at the polls by 6:30 to do the most important thing I will do all year.

I'll be voting straight GOP this year.

And I'll see you all tomorrow evening.

g'night.

(Mommydoc, I'm sure you aced it!!!)

#129 Athos

Thanks - there are many good people in the fight
to take back the Garden State from the Dem Machine.
NJ Dem's make the Sopranos look like pikers.

We were furious about Gov. McGreedy when it all
came out. My family and I were on vacation in Calif
and were calling the political bosses to put them on
notice that we (and many others) have had our
bellyfull of corruption, scandal and abuse.

In a way, I'm glad Little Jimmy stayed on until 11/15;
it goes to your theory that the electorate is so pissed
they'll pull the lever for GWB.

We're out there tomorrow for one last push - driving,
phone banking. Party @ 9pm - Ohio and Florida will
make it an early night. Let's give Kerry a black eye
by pulling NJ for W.

It must be awful to go through life filled with anger and bitterness.

It can consume you, to the point where that is all there is of your life.

Athos: If they call NJ for Bush, I swear I'll break down and cry. Won't be sad tears, either:-D

Crazy Man & Traveler,

Thanks, I will get this book. Even with a Duby win, We will need to continue to educate the LLL.

I'm so thankful for this Blog. I quit watching the network news, cnn, and msnbc during the 2000 election. That's when I discovered FoxNews. For the longest time I thought FNC was the Fox Financial Channel, probably because I stumbled upon it during Cavuto. (I'm now a regular watcher of his Common Sense commentary).

Now that we have alternatives to the biased MSM, we must not be greedy. We must share with all we know and perhaps in 2008, we won't have to go through this.

Zulubaby,
Thanks for your support. I fear that my LLL friend has corrupted my #2 daughter.
My #1 daughter (in order of appearance) and her husband are Dubya fans in VA.

Mommydoc,
You passed the boards! My #1 daughter was in her 4th year of med school in 2000 at Wash U in St. Louis. We were on the phone the entire night of the election.
Good luck in your career.

Voting for Kerry is obeying Osama.

If it's Kerry tomorrow, get your burkahs on, ladies.

newsjunkie_ky (#140)

I fear that my LLL friend has corrupted my #2 daughter.

If he's filling her head with junk, make sure she reads so that she will at least question the junk. What a pity :-(

#138 zulubaby / Geepers

It must be awful to go through life filled with anger and bitterness.../...It can consume you, to the point where that is all there is of your life.

They are getting worse too. I firmly believe that they will continue to worsen, these hate-filled people, until they are capable of ANYTHING.

That's what happens to people who hate everything and love nothing.
They are getting worse.

Sure you wanna tick off Osama there, Chuckie?

Bush, no doubt, no question, no hesitation, no second-guessing.
No, never forget, never forgive, and never forget those who obstructed, ridiculed, back stabbed, waffled, Monday morning quarterbacked, and lied like cheap rugs.

Vote for Bush to get back at Daschle, Kennedy, Leahy, Pelosi, Waxman, Rangle, Moore, Chirac, and more assholes than I can name.

“Your mission tonight is strategic, you can’t give the enemy a break, send them to hell!”
LTC Vandaroot, 82 Airborne Division, June 5, 1944

monkeyweather, the real pity is that it's a hatred built on lies. If you're going to passionate about something make sure you're investing all that emotion and energy in something worthwhile. Imagine being consumed with an issue and then realizing that you've been supporting evil.

ok I'm reading all these comments that all of you are voting for Bush. I assume most of you are under 30? I am listening to MSNBC (Joe Scarborough) it's 10:20PM and the pundits are saying 2 things. One: the 18-30 crowd are reved up and are going to turn out in BIG numbers and two: they are all democrats. So either you all are lying or these pundits are so totally out of touch with the electorate. Somebody explain this to me.

Wow, what a moving thread. And what else is there to add that hasn't already been said?

But I can't help myself. I feel this inexplicable need to thank Charles for everything that he does.

So thank you, Charles.

I ran for my life in lower Manhattan on Sept 11, 2001. I barely escaped the debris and smoke. Then I came home to my apartment, covered in dirt, white shirt stained with smoke, and informed my roommates that we "had this coming" because of our "arrogant foreign policy."

Damn, I am embarrassed about the person I was.

I have been reading LGF since Sep, 2002. Thank you, Charles.

#131 traveler

It even includes a photocopy of the original of this 1943 message on page 441:

To the Grand Mufti:
The National Socialist Movement of Greater Germany has, since its beginning, inscribed upon its flag the fight against world Jewry. It has, therefore, followed with particular sympathy the struggle of the freedom-loving Arabians, especially in Palestine, against the Jewish interlopers. It is in the recognition of this enemy and of the common struggle against him that lies the firm foundation of the natural alliance that exists between National-Socialist-Greater-Germany and the freedom-loving Moslems of the whole world. In this spirit I am sending you on the anniversary of the infamous Balfour Declaration my hearty greetings and wishes for the successful pursuit of your struggle until the certain final victory.
Signed Reichsfuehrer-S.S. Heinrich Himmler

I'll be voting Kerry tomorrow and I'll be voting often.

newsjunkie_ky Stop being so hard on the kid. Most of the stuff he's telling you makes sense.

How WOULD you feel if your boss gave his favorite employee raise after raise and ignored you? I'll bet you'd be a little pissed off.

What if Kerry doesn't have a plan (although he does)? If Bush has a plan it isn't working (still mired down in Iraq after 18 months) and he insists on sticking to it.

I'm not against war in Iraq I just want to see it finished. I would have much preferred to see OBL captured and done away with instead of being sucked dry by the Iraqis, Chalabi and Alawi.

I was actually a George Bush supporter in November 2001. He did exactly what I wanted to see done in Afghanistan as a reaction to 9/11. It's his conduct after that that is atrocious.

I also took Zulubaby's advice and looked at the reference material provided by Charles. The first piece I came to was the Jewish right to Israel. According to the logic of this piece the American Indians have every right to kick every white man out of America and reclaim North America. Careful what you preach.

I hate to leave you tonight. I want to stay online, but the old eyes have failed me.

I'll meet you all back her tomorrow. I have the champagne chilling.

shintriad says:

Sure you wanna tick off Osama there, Chuckie?

And just what the fuck is Osama gonna do about it?
Register and leave a really cutting comment?

And "Chuckie"?

#146 zulubaby

monkeyweather, the real pity is that it's a hatred built on lies. If you're going to passionate about something make sure you're investing all that emotion and energy in something worthwhile. Imagine being consumed with an issue and then realizing that you've been supporting evil.

Perhaps they were searching for something to hate all along? Perhaps the hatred precedes the lie, and the lie simply gives them a direction in which to pour out their venom. Would they care if they found it was a lie?

I did not used to be a passionate Republican. But I saw the lie of the left and now I am very MUCH a passionate Republican. But then, I wasn't looking for a cause to justify my anger. I was only looking for the TRUTH.

As an example...I figure, if Israel and the US ceased to exist, muslim terrorists would find someone else to hate and kill.
Watching liberals, I think someday the time may come when the fanatical left in this country goes from annoying to dangerous. Their anger and hatred I think is the root...it came first. Their agenda now seems to simply be the medium that their rotted out character's use to justify all KINDS of things.

Oh shut up, shintriad.

Ranchhouse:

I would guess that most of the posters here are much older than that.

I have two sons in that age range and they are Republicans and so are most of their friends. But Kentucky is solidly in the Bush column, and I can't speak for the rest.

Thanks for your endorsement of the President, Charles. I read you 9/11 comments last week and was shocked how far you have come in your political thinking since that dark day. I asked for your Fatwa in Open Thread 1, and i kinda think you heard me. Your a prince. Well done and thanks for the bandwith. I don't know how I would have coped with this turbulent election without LGF, and I shudder to think how I will survive without it if the unthinkable happens on the morrow. Peace.

A Holocaust survivor once said, "If they say they are going to kill you, believe them". That profound statement always comes to mind every time I see reminders of what happened on 9/11. To this day it still makes me very angry. I will never,ever forget.

GWB has my vote (mail-in) and had it in 2000 as well.

Thank you Charles for all you do here. I came across this site a few months after 9/11 and just can't seem to break my LGF habit. There are so many posters here who get it. (yeah, well, then there's Gordon...)

This place is good for my soul.

I had to come back after reading #150 billimp

RAWK!!!

Hey, I got my copy of Celsius 41.11 today too (someone else posted they received theirs). If anyone made a donation and got a copy - check yer mailbox :o)

I'm Canadian, and so I must sit on the sidelines -- while own country cowers behind the UN and Euro-weenies -- and watch the election as a spectator. And it's killing me.

I think Bush will win tomorrow, and God I hope he does. But in the meantime, I'm utterly terrified that the US electorate will hiccup and put Kedwards into the oval office. And I can do nothing but wait and watch. Tomorrow is going to be a looong day.

Good luck to all you sensible American voters who really do understand what is at stake. You guys have been spending your blood and treasure to protect the West, and my own stupid country is unable to grasp how important this is, and how grateful we should be that America is our neighbour.

Your soldiers, who are making these sacrifices, deserve a commander-in-chief like President Bush. Your country, which has been unfairly targeted by fascist islamoids deserves a President who knows how to kick a** when necessary. The American people, who have been disgustingly maligned by cowardly sots from all over the world, deserve a President who will disregard the chorus of fools currently wailing away from the fringes, and instead worry about serving his own country and his own people. And President Bush is the man who has proven that he will do all these things.

The rest of the world doesn't understand what the US represents, and that you guys are the only ones truly holding back the darkness. But I do.

I will never forget.

God bless, and good luck tomorrow.

And, for the millionth time, thank-you from a shamed -- and very grateful -- Canadian.

W has the backing of many -- on LGF and elsewhere -- whom I admire and respect. Kerry, otoh, has brainless rabble represented by #150 on his side.

129 Athos

I think NJ is the first major test for Kerry. Despite the Camden and Essex Cty machines - Kerry is in a lot of trouble in NJ, and the MSM has tried to hide the fact that this trouble exists.

I agree that if Kerry loses NJ, it will probably be a sign that Bush will win big. However, the latest polls show that as unlikely:

Quinnipiac: Kerry +5
Rasmussen: Kerry +12
Star-Ledger: Kerry +4
SurveyUSA: Kerry +12

Furthermore, Bush has never cracked 46% in any poll.

If there's to be an early upset for Kerry, I would expect it in New Hampshire or Pennsylvania.

But similarly, look for a Bush loss in Virginia or West Virginia as a harbinger that Kerry will win big.

I tend to think it will be one or the other, either Bush or Kerry will win big.

I haven't voted for a Republican presidential candidate in 20 years.

I was very disappointed when Gore-Lieberman lost four years ago.

I got over it.

GWB got me with his 2002 State of the Union. His speech in June -- standing solidly with Israel -- cinched it.

I'll be voting for him tomorrow... oh and Dick Cheney too!

Bernadette,

I am surprised. I am housebound and my hubby just got me a laptop so I'm new to this "discussion" thing. I really thought only young people did this. It's nice to know there are people out there that grew up say in the early Beatles era. Do you agree with the pundants that all these 18-30 somethings are all DEMS and are going to turn out in hugh numbers? I pray Bush will win but at this point I'm a little quezy. Of course, like my dad always says, "the Lord hates a coward. Oh by the way, one of my dear friends was born and raised in KY and move to Texas about 20 years ago.

W on CSpan in just a minute or two (9:31 mst now) his final stop on the campaign! He has visited 7 states today and is the most ferocious candidate I have ever seen. He is tireless and has the spirit of 100 men.

Thank Christ for this man!

#150 Billib

According to the logic of this piece the American Indians have every right to kick every white man out of America and reclaim North America. Careful what you preach.

Some can read - but still not learn. Such is the power of the blinders of ideology.

I gave up waiting for a Kerry plan - all I heard was a lot of what the President already doing only somehow better (with no specifics) and with France / Germany / Russia participating.

So incredibly naive.

About as naive as expecting the death / capture of OBL to stop islamofascist terrorism.

Sounds like your vote is more of an ABB vote than a real vote for Kerry. Don't feel bad, almost 60% saying they are voting for Kerry say it's an ABB vote.

Ranch House

I'm 46 and I'm fired up!

How are doing today? What state is the ranch house in?

Mommiedoc! Congratulations! Was it very brutal?

monkeyweather,

Would they care if they found it was a lie?

I would imagine that anyone with an ounce of decency would be devastated to find out that they've been supporting evil. I don't know. I'm too nervous to think straight actually. On the other hand, when you're desperate to hang onto the lies you get this:

I also took Zulubaby's advice and looked at the reference material provided by Charles. The first piece I came to was the Jewish right to Israel.

For some, there is simply no hope. It's best to simply cut them loose.

I'll remember that from September the 12th onwards, George W. Bush used 9/11 as his only reason to be president and milked the deaths of 3,000 of my countrymen for all it was worth. I'll remember that when I deliver my absentee-ballot to my election office tomorrow.

May God have mercy on our souls.

I think the younger they are the more conservative most of them are. But I'm just going by what I'm seeing with my sons. Who are the product of a conservative household and ones who were raised to think, too. We have always discussed politics with them since they were young kids. They would hear things from their friends or at school or in the news and we would talk about both sides of the issue.

My older son who is 25 has always been conservative and so are a majority of his friends. Same with my 19 yr old.

By the way ... I’m voting for George Walker Bush for President tomorrow.

The suspense was killin' me.

I stood in line Friday for four hours on the dot, some of it in a light rain shower, to do the same in my state's early voting.

I'm not against war in Iraq I just want to see it finished.

Wow, how unusual. I hope you're young so that there's still a chance that you mature and possibly become a decent human being. Do you really want to be like Gordon?

#144 Shintriadie

I don't think Charles is afraid of Osama, Shintie---and, guess what? We're going to go on saying whatever we like about him, and the world in general---and he's not going to scare us into shutting up.

Though you obviously wish he would.

Charles. You are a wonderful example of a man with deep down to the soul, honest to goodness passion. What a lucky break for me to have literally stumbled upon LGF well over a year ago. What I have learned here has illuminated me and I feel richer for it.

Whatever happens tomorrow night the bottom line for all of us is to use our passion to make change, to do right and to pursue truth at all costs no matter how difficult or daunting. Win or lose {every scenario imagined) we can not afford to give up the 'good fight' not for a moment no matter what.

With all my heart.
Never forget

Well, I promise I won't ; -)) Thank you Charles.

Call this what you will. In the first couple of days following 9/11 I would be driving around, and I'd just get so furious I'd yell in the car. Just yell. Thoughts just came exploding out of me, and I'd scream them at the windshield. After one loud outburst I reached down, and flipped on the radio, and punched a button. Michael Medved repeated, word for word, the several sentences I'd just screamed in the car. Very spooky experience.
Tonight I'm wound up tighter than a crazy man's watch. I just scrolled down through this thread. I look at all the posts. #'s 62, 79, 88, 90, and 91 to name a few, all related experiences that I have had almost down to the same words exchanged. I see the same dramatic shift in world-view. Spooky still, but I know I'm not nuts. The same things that happened to me happened to a lot of people. I take great comfort in this.

It is exactly what did not happen to anyone who still cleaves to the far left. Or anyone who doesn't get the WOT. Especially anyone who would vote for the Kerroid. I guess that's what disturbs me. It's like one of those sci-fi movies where half the people don't believe there's a monster. And they want to be in charge. Just sharing, thanks. Tomorrow we vote.
JWM

The first piece I came to was the Jewish right to Israel. According to the logic of this piece the American Indians have every right to kick every white man out of America and reclaim North America. Careful what you preach.

Sorry, but I could not leave that one. Your history is bad and some reading is in order. Maybe you can explain the history of the middle-east as you are rehashing some revisionist history. The Pals do not have claim on that land. The Canaanites, who settled it after civilization came around do not exist any longer. So, should we dig one of them up, take their dna and plant it into a egg?

Billib

I live in Massachusetts, John Kerry hasn’t done anything for anybody but himself in twenty years, I don’t expect him to get ambitious anytime soon. We say JFK stands for Just For Kerry.
I voted for him 1984, and never since.
You see, I voted for John Kerry, before I voted against him.

Hey Horsesoldier,
Bad day today. Have a facial degenerative nerve disease. Ranchhouse is in a little town called Blluff Dale south of Ft. Worth, TX. I'm fired up also but you know 4 million christians did not vote in 2000 and I wonder if they realize the Lord helps those who help themselves.

zulubaby:

It's best to simply cut them loose.

I think one of our very own posters cough*Железны й Кулак*cough would love to do just that. Nice and loose.

#161 amicus

And, for the millionth time, thank-you from a shamed -- and very grateful -- Canadian.

Ya know amicus, a lot of us have only very recently woken up. Even after 9/11 we were still floundering, unaware that our media was just a bunch of leftist liars, that the democrats weren't just INCORRECT - they were downright anti-American! That the liberals were trying to undermine the very character and foundation of this country. We didn't even know that half of the so-called history we had been taught was FALSE! Our country's history has literally been re-written by left-wing loonies. That is how bad it was until a few years ago. We did not know a thing about a thing, and had already been more than a little brain-washed.
That was our starting point.
We've only recently wised up.
There is hope for your country too. YOU be one of the ones fighting for the truth :o)

#158 newsjunkie_ky

was it really worth it to loose that sleep just to say "RAWK"???

what is RAWK?

Newsjunkie: you can tell your friend we don't support as much as restrain Israel, you can bet the day after we pull our support, Hamas will attack and right after that the west bank and gaza will become a smoking parking lot. Tommorow my vote goes to Bush because he is doing the heavy lifting in support life, Liberty. and the pursuit of happiness, Yes he went to war without all the absolute answers, without knowing the absolute total cost, without knowing the absolute exit plan, what past war president did know these things?, NONE, this is liberal retoric they draw like a sword when they have only complaints and no answers. Although I don't support Bush's stealth amnesty for illegals I do support his foregn policy and known that we will not see the positive outcomes of his actions for many years to come. I'm in for the long haul.
God Bless America

#150

Some people just insist on talking about things when they have no clue. BTW, from an earlier post, I am mid-forties and have never witnessed the trolls doing anything but repeating what their leaders say, regardless of the veracity of the comment. When you hit them with facts, they say you are ganging up on them, and finally (hopefully) leave after being pounded with facts.

monkeyweather (#153),

Would they care if they found it was a lie?

That's one of the really hard thing for LGFers to "get".

We're based in facts. When facts contradict our feelings we admit it, and go on from there.

One of the surest sings of true trolldom is that they will never admit to being wrong.

#132 zulubaby

It must be awful to go through life filled with anger and bitterness.../...It can consume you, to the point where that is all there is of your life.

Well said. It's best not to even tangle with those people -- they're just looking for a place for their pre-existing anger and vitriol to land. The target is not as important as their need to vent. They're not interested in discussion -- they need to dominate.

I'll add my thanks to Charles, as well. Thanks for giving us a forum for honest debate. The MSM has let it be known they are not interested in our views. LGF has given us a voice.

I'll be glad when this election is behind us -- when that will be, I have no idea.

#148 Abu Maven -

Wow!!! I mean, wow!!! You were covered in dust AND you blamed our foreign policies...

You have have survived and grown. Good for you.

***

I was in California. Like in NY, it was an absolutely beautiful, blue sky day. After I turned on the television, well...nothing's ever been the same. I was in shock, I was silent, I shook...later I cried and cried some more.

But, I was so naive that I, too, was wondering if we should stop trying to "police" the world, blah, blah...until I went on the internet the next day. There was a Yahoo message board where people all over the world were seeming to celebrate. From Spain:"You had it coming to you!" From Switzerland: "America is going down!"

I traveled around the world as a child with my family and had always felt, almost, admired by other countries. It was a shock to feel such hate. Couldn't these people see how we were united, helping each other? We're not the greedy Americans that I even thought we were. A rage grew inside of me from that moment on... Never the patriotic type, I went and bought a flag to attach to my car.

At the time I thought - well, maybe other countries would like to see us fail, but we - Democrats (like myself) and Republicans - will stand together. I knew at the time we needed to in order to fight our enemies. But it didn't take long before I felt the division. I heard it from my friends who refused to believe that any thing other than our own policies brought the attacks. I got in my morning e-mail from friends sending Michael Moore's incoherent ramblings.

I changed, but no one I knew seemed to. I've lost friends and some not so great family members due to our political differences - and so that is why littlegreenfootballs is so very important for me. I get to see that I'm not alone, to hear others' experiences and learn from the great links and articles.

My daughter is hoping after the election that I will be spending less time here. So after the election, I will return to my normal life - where I occasionally peek in, rather than the addict I've become. I just hope it's a life with a the president who also changed September 11th - President Bush.

Talking Camel (spell things RIGHT, damn you):

Hey man, it's your life. I'm just saying, if you wanted a practical reason to avoid terrorism, there it is. The guy just stopped short of offering to rebuild the Twins, for fuck's sake.

But hell, if you want to vote yourself into an early grave, don't let me stop you!

Guys, I posted this in another blog, but I think this should be a reminder to all who live in the Northeast and other "blue states":

"Remember fellas, and tell your friends this before you go to vote:

A vote for Kerry is a vote for surrender to Osama Bin Laden.

Osama’s Attempt at Electoral Bribery:

Kerry states = safe from terrorist attack
Bush states = the enemy, and therefore, targets

See for yourselves - [Link: www.memri.org...]

America needs to be UNITED against Bin Laden! "

#187 Geepers -

We're based in facts. When facts contradict our feelings we admit it, and go on from there. One of the surest sings of true trolldom is that they will never admit to being wrong.

It's become a litmus test of character for me regarding the people around me. Saves time.

Love and search for the truth? = Good person
Hate the truth and run from it? = Bad person

I don't like bad people. They are annoying. I know some liberals are ignorant and not angry...but they DO seem to morph into your Garden Variety Hatemonger before too long, huh? I've seen even the sweetest ones turn into flaming a$$holes over time.

Hey, and look at what all of us have to go through just to get the friggin news! It's like the search for the Holy Grail on a daily basis just to get the FACTS.
That means we are good :o) hehe

ot

I have been waging a one man war against the columnist Molly Ivins for some time now. I write the Arizona Republic OpEd page once a month with another "Why Molly" screed. However, never before have I seen her on TV. I have only seen her pic at the top of her column. Tonite I surfed upon the Bush's Brain doc on Sundance, and she gives serveral interviews during the movie. Well, let me tell you, she is Jabba the Hut's sister! Whoooeee. She was hit by the ugly stick early and often. Oh my goodness, but a mud fence has nothing on this lady. She could audition for the lead in the live performance of Shrek on Ice. Her pic in the paper is not just a glamour shot, it's photographic license. No wonder she is so sour. My goodness, she looks like the south end of a north bound Rhino. I know it's shallow to judge her on her looks, but I've hated this skank for years without any idea of her hideous appearance. This book can be judged by it's cover. I feel a great sense of happiness.

Everyone remember to VOTE. No matter what you hear on the MSM. It ain't over till it's over. No one state holds this election hostage. There are many ways this thing can be won. So don't get caught believing that one state decides this election. JUST VOTE!

#187 Geepers

Are you kidding? Seriously, you must be joking.

Last week, when the explosives story broke, Charles had one new version of the story after the other, harping on them like they were the truth in a desperate attempt to ignore the truth. He would pipe up with whatever new story the Pentagon or ANYONE threw out there.

First it was "There aren't any explosives and CBS/NYT are trying to smear Bush."

Then it was "There were only 3 tons at the dump and CBS/NYT are trying to smear Bush."

Then it was "The Russians took them before the war started and CBS/NYT are trying to smear Bush."

Then it was "The terrorists took them before the war and CBS/NYT are trying to smear Bush."

Thne it was "US forces did secure them and CBS/NYT are trying to smear Bush."

So many different angles, so much misinformation, mso many conflicting stories, yet Charles jumped on each and every one like it was the holy grail.

That doesn't sound like "facts contradicting feelings", it sounds like the exact opposite.

Reality-based my ass.

#193 Docdublu

LMAO -- It's true! To be a flaming LLL and look like the

south end of a north bound Rhino

is a sad combo indeed.

Bill O'Reilly memorably tamed her in an interview a few months back.

p.s. to #187 Geepers regarding
#195 jbltk

Reality-based my ass.

See what I mean? An Annoying Bad Person!
Thank you for so quickly proving my point jbltk!
I am all admiration for your promptness! ;o)

Damnit, I need to type faster (read think faster).

Now I feel like I'm copying off zulubaby.

Plus it would help if I could spell at all. I once almost, (almost mind you), spell checked:
"Q, LOL".

monkeyweather

I'm an annoying person for pointing out that Charles does exactly what you guys have described as a troll?

Do you want the links? I'll show you each and every time he jumped on a new conclusion about the explosives story, each one contradicting the previous one. At no point did he stop and go "Hmmm.. maybe I'l wait until I know a bit more."

#179 jlfintx

I was aware that the land was originally inhabited by Cannanites who were slaughtered by the Jews for the land but I thought I would skip that and not get into it.

Anyway. How do you get off saying Cannanites no longer exist. I'm sure there are still decendents of Cannanites existing afterall they weren't completely obliterated by the Jews and there is even history of them continuing to inhabit areas around Israel after their conquer.

The fact of the matter is the Jews were later conquered by the Arabs who were later conquered by the Romans...

The current day settlers (which is what they are) were given the right to settle there by the British Mandate. They actually immigrated, they weren't even living there at the time. They were limited in what they were allowed to do until they revolted and (this is stated in Charles' information) used TERRORIST attacks against the British to eventually get their own state.

Why do you make me do this. I am in no way anti Jewish but I can't stand it when any group of people tries to use politics to further the movement of their religion. This is exactly what is happening in the middle east and exactly the reason for all of the problems. It is not a problem associated with democracy as George Bush would have us believe. It is a religious problem. No matter how much democracy we bring to the middle east it will not make them love the U.S. any more. They will continue to hate the U.S. and they will continue to hate the Jews and they will continue their terrorist actions. They will just be democratic terrorists like the Irish.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, the NY State Department of Health notified our trauma center to stand by for airlifted survivors of the attacks to arrive. As the hours passed into the night, it became painfully obvious that they would never arrive.

Disbelief gave way to anger. Then the completely appropriate response of the President and Congress and the uniform, nonpartisan consensus brought hope.

But the last three years have shown me the unbelievably masochistic, self-destructive underbelly of the leftist mentality. When somebody's response to the topic of the 9/11 attack is "Well, more people die of car accidents every year," I shudder for the future of defeat and subjegation that these people are willing to accept and even impose on all of us should they regain power.

I still and always will have hope. My hope for tomorrow is that simple common sense will prevail and President Bush will win a second term. That we can defeat all our enemies, foreign and domestic, in the days, months, and years ahead without suffering another 9/11. That the unacceptable alternative never comes to pass.

While hope never dies, action has a time and a place. Tomorrow's action will be voting for my president, George W. Bush, to continue directing our national security to agressively protect my most precious posession, my family.

jbltk,

How do you pronounce that?

Seriously though, are all those things necessarily mutually exclusive?

Geepers, did you know that you posted at 9:11? weird.

In case anyone needs reminding (any undecided voters)...

[Link: www.jimlynch.com...]

I'm not going to convince anyone here but I'm going to register my opinion anyway and declare myself for Kerry, which will probably come as no surprise to anyone. Unlike many people (such as these guys), I actually think Kerry himself has some merit, although I would say my vote is maybe 75% anti-Bush and 25% pro-Kerry. Furthermore, Kerry was far from my first choice in the Democratic primary.

The simple fact of the matter is that this election comes down to trust. Whom do you trust more to make the right decisions to make the country safe and to maximize the chances that we will prosecute the war against Islamic terrorism effectively.

There seems to be an assumption among many Bush supporters, reflected in many comments here, that Bush "gets" the challenge we face. He's the only one who is willing to take the fight to the enemy and fight them on their terms so we don't have to fight them at home.

To put it bluntly, I just don't buy it. When you look around the world and you think where will the next fronts be opened up in the war on terror, it will be in places like Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and much of the rest of the Arab world. It just strikes me as ludicrous to assume that an Iraq-style military confrontation (or indeed any significant confrontation)with any of these places is even possible, let alone that its even being contemplated. The approach in the war on terror, whether run by Bush or Kerry, will necessarily involve a much greater emphasis on diplomacy and working with existing states than it has in the past. And this approach is something that Bush and his team are singlularly unsuited for. Not just because they have no credibility in much of the world, but because they themselves don't place much emphasis on it.

In other words, I actually don't think that the strategy that either Bush or Kerry will follow will actually be that different going forward. Except that Bush has shown himself to be a poor manager and executor of his own strategy up to now and shows no sign of having learned from his mistakes. Others will disagree, but I think the evidence is quite clear that Bush's record as a manager, regardless of whether he "gets" the problem, is absolutely dismal, notwithstanding the successes in Afghanistan, Libya etc. Bush's approach strikes me as that of the classic "Chairman of the Board". He inserts himself into the big meetings, makes the final decision, but leaves all the detailed follow-up and selling to others. What's needed is a CEO, someone who is willing to formulate strategy and then make sure it gets executed by holding people accountable. No executive at any level should value loyalty exclusively above competence.

Furthermore, I think Kerry gets the idea that the war on terror is not just about stamping out terror cells and killing or capturing al Qaeda fighters. Rather it is also about two other things: reducing our exposure to oil dependency and strengthening our economy. Bush has just shown himself to be indifferent to sound economic management and downright hostile to the notion of energy conservation, both of which I think are essential components of how we need to deal with the Islamofascist challenge.

So to sum up, I see the biggest risk of a Kerry presidency is that he will turn out to be a Carter-like leader who is hesitant to use force and face down military challenges. The biggest risk of a Bush presidency is a continued exacerbation of the tensions between the US and the rest of the world at a time when we need to be shifting tactics. I guess I admit it's something of a crapshoot which is the greater risk, but in the end my gut tells me that the risk is lower, in both the short term and the long term, with Kerry.

Never forget. Never let it happen again.

VOTE BUSH!

#195 Loser

Are you really using a debunked and discredited hit piece from C-BS and NYT to attack Charles' stream of consciousness quick updates of emerging stories? You have got to have a screw loose.

Go soak your head. RAWK!

I'm with you, Charles! Thanks to you and all of LGF for buoying my spirit throughout the past 3 years. I don't know how to express the depth of my gratitude for all you do. God will reward you, Charles!

And thanks to Jeffie for turning me on to my beloved 'footballs.

I'll be an election judge bright and early tomorrow, and I'll be thinking of you all! Now onward to victory! Vote Bush!

billib,

You do realize that there are some American Indians out there that are in some serious trouble with the neanderthals right?

Charles' coverage of the Al Qaqaa explosives story:

CBS/NYT made up this story to smear Bush

OK. That's a typical response from Charles when a MSM outlet reports something devastating about Bush. So far so good.

There were only 3 tons of missing explosives

So now there were explosives there, but they weren't anything near the amount originally reported. So he now contradicts his original assertions that there were no explosvies there to begin with.

Now there were definitely explosives there, but Russia helped move them to Syria

So now he admits there were explosives, but Russia helped move them before the war. A new twist that he jumps on!

Terrorists took the explosives before the war

So now it isn't the Russians, it's terrorists. Hmmm...

The explosives existed and they were secured by US forces

So we went from this being an entirely made up story to Charles saying they did exist and US Forces secured and destroyed them.

Did he ever once post about the video tape from April the 18th showing bunkers with IAEA seals that contained what David Kay described as "definitely HMX"?

That's emotion, not fact. He went from different version to different version, one after another.

#255 BPP

The simple fact of the matter is that this election comes down to trust. Whom do you trust more to make the right decisions to make the country safe and to maximize the chances that we will prosecute the war against Islamic terrorism effectively.

...but in the end my gut tells me that the risk is lower, in both the short term and the long term, with Kerry.

Man, you have one untrustworthy gut!!!

#207 DocDublU

I wouldn't call a story with video evidence "debunked."

Tell me that you honestly looked at both sides of the coverage of that story and reached your conclusion.

I have no doubt that:

You haven't seen the video of the IAEA sealed bunker containing explosives on April the 18th, 5 days after that poor guy at the Pentagon briefing said he'd hauled stuff away.

You haven't heard that David Kay, the US' TOP WEAPONS INSPECTOR said that, without a doubt in his mind, the bunker in the video contained HMX.

It's not debunked, it's been overshadowed by Bin Laden.

I was aware that the land was originally inhabited by Cannanites who were slaughtered by the Jews for the land but I thought I would skip that and not get into it.

The Jews slaughtered the Canaanites? Where is the evidence?

210

So, Charles is at fault for linking to breaking news stories?

It's not like he, or we made these things up.

just a word from australia

get out and vote americans

vote wisely

dont beleive you are alone

we have voted overwhelmingly for a tough stand

my greatest fear is the US will weaken and choose the easy route

remember your history be proud and good luck

#181 ranchhouse

hey ranchhouse, don't you worry, were gonna kickass tomorrow nite!

Don't let the bedbugs bite!
But if they do ...

Fred Fred

#215 Horsesoldier

No, it's Charles' emotions that led him to post 6 different versions of a defense for Bush, just like his rampage against Kerry with that whole "Pengate" fiasco that he at least had the decency to apologize for.

[booming faceless voice]

1200 quatloos

#209 Geepers

Right on. You make my point. It is not necessary to go all the way back to the very first inhabitant as jlfintx wants to. The jews had no claim to the land.

The simple matter is that the Jews did not inhabit the land nor did they inherit/purchase or otherwise come by the land legally from the current inhabitants. They were given the land by some British Mandate which limited what they were allowed to do. The Jews that later immigrated were not satisfied with the madate and used terrorist measures to get what they really wanted an Israeli state. This is the same thing the Palestinians are doing now. Why is it so wrong for them?

It's wrong for them because it is wrong for anyone to use terrorism as a means to gain what they want. The problem for us, the U.S., is that we only find it wrong for the Palestinians to use terrorism. That is why they find it easy to hate us, the U.S. It has nothing to do with democracy.

What's a quatloo?

I didn't even recognize LGF with the "spoiled" "rich" rhetoric attached to Bush. Anyone thinking you're the Right Wing Conspiracy should be directed to those posts.

#205 BPP

Your arguments are based on your core beliefs and I admire that. However, your core beliefs are faulty if not fatally naive.

The WoT is a military issue, not diplimatic or even a law enforcement issue as Kerry claims.

The only thing the Islamofacist / Communist / Barbarian understands is force. They are, for all intents and purposes, animals that must be threatend or they will devour us whole. Harsh? Yet bet cha. Ever hear of Darwin? He is still right.

How do we end our dependence on foreign oil when eco-idiots refuse to allow new exploration for oil reserves. And don't give me the new technologies crap. We need Detroit and the big 3s jobs as much as we need our military. You think that Kerry and his UAW buddies that will be out in force in the morning will allow enviro wackos to put the car biz down the tubes? Dream on spanky!

J.D. (#222),

What's a quatloo?

J.D., Trying to pretend you're not in the 40+ group? ;-)

13 comments posted on 9/13/2001. How LGF has grown!

PB

He was right when he said Bush was "spoiled" then, and it's still correct now.

Unfortunately, Charles has let his irrational fear (read Terrorphobia) conquer his rational thought process. He's so worried about some menace that materializes relatively rarely that he forgets about the every day issues.

He has let his fear of terrorism overrule everything he has agianst Bush. He's let one single issue turn him to a side that he wouldn't have dreamed of coming to pre-9/11.

Did his views about social policy suddenly change after 9/11? He's a one issue voter, and I find it kinda sad that he's let all his other misgivings about Bush go over this one issue.

1400 quatloos for the earthling. he fights like an animal.

/arcane ST ref, right?

jbltk

Charles became a GOP hack some time ago, parroting all Bush lines and throwing up every last accusation against Kerry he could find. It's too bad, because this site's hammering home the threat from radical Islam is a real public service that should be reaching a bipartisan audience. Instead, by becoming a BC04 mouthpiece, Charles has squandered his influence with half the country.

Sadly, the tone here is too often is one of contempt and disdain for those who are of a different political persuasion, not one of reasoned argument.

#227

I'm a one issue voter too.

Economy
Environment
Social Security
Supreme Court
Education
Health Issues
Etc.

One nuclear bomb detonation in the United States would make every other issue irrelevant.

BPP

That's my point. It's very sad to see him become the defender of all things Bush.

Charles: Your mission should be to provide the TRUTH, not a slanted view that helps your side out. Your blog has become nothing more than a propoganda machine for Bush.

Where are your convictions? Where are your core-beliefs?

You're a sell-out.

J.D.,

Tell me you never dressed like this. ;-Þ

#225 Geepers
Oh. Those quatloos.

J.D., Trying to pretend you're not in the 40+ group? ;-)

As if that might ever work around here!
:-P

#230 aunursa

I understand the sentiment.

However, if having Bush means a slightly better chance of not having a nuke explode but losing on all the other issues, I choose against that.

What's the point of voting to protect that which will be systematically destroyed by the same person? Why choose Bush to defend the homeland when he helps to do all the things Bin Laden would do, but over a slightly slower time period?

Even if Bush can do a better job keeping us safe from terrorists (which I don't believe), it's not worth it for me to have everything that we're supposedly protecting destroyed.

#227 jag off

3000 men, women and children were ground to powder by men who hate you and me and everyone in our country on 9/11. People were driven into buildings and the earth at 550 miles per hour and disintegrated in mili-seconds after contemplating there deaths for tortuous minutes. You sit on your high horse and complain about single issue voters. You pompous, gutless punk. You have no honor. You are Michael Dukakis saying that he would not ask for the death penalty if his wife was raped and murdered. You are so open minded your brain has fallen out. And tomorrow, you are history.

Another four years of Bush will not destroy the environment, social security, the economy, etc.

The SCOTUS would become more conservative, but we would be able to live with it.

If I thought Bush would do a slightly better job on combatting terrorism, it might not be worth it.

But I believe that Bush would do a MUCH better job.

Bush understands that it's a matter of war.

Kerry believes that it's primarily a matter of law enforcement.

#210 jbltk

Charles' coverage of the Al Qaqaa explosives story:

Wow, you put all that effort into those threads not realising we were all here and saw them the first time?
Gee, that was nice of you and all, but completely unecessary as we all completely understood the reason we should not blindly accept the MSM version of this story.
We are not fond of KoolAid, you see.
We hoped it was not true because (duh!) we do not like to see Kerry handed another talking point by the media (which he was anyways, even though the story foundered and fell apart).

I know that this is not something you are willing to understand, but we have become leery of the media because they often lie.
So do we hunt and hunt over and over for further information? Yes. Why? Well how else will we know anything unless it furthers the liberal cause OF the media? We won't!

You, on the other hand, have it much easier. Flip open the NY Times and get your daily dose of KoolAid, complete with teensy tiny itsy bitsy corrections on page 37 which you will never read. Not that they MEAN you to.

Voted early for Dubya! Plan to give rides 2-morrow to others who can't get out to the polls. Do a little extra, anything you can. Re-elect Dubya for 4 more years!

The Gamesters of Triskelion

A landing party beaming down to the Enterprise's latest stop is intercepted by a more powerful, long-range transporter beam, which hijacks Kirk, Uhura and Chekov to the planet Triskelion, where they are immediately handed over to various "trainers" to prepare them for their upcoming duties as gladiators to amuse the powerful rulers of the planet.

40 qatloos for the one with the whiney argument.

#236 DocDublU

I wouldn't want the death penalty for a person who raped and murdered my wife.

Does it bring her back? Does the revenge do anything to fix my sorrow? What is gained by it?

If there's a God, let him figure it out. It's not my place to take yet another life.

224 DocDoublU

The WoT is a military issue, not diplimatic or even a law enforcement issue as Kerry claims.

I think theoretically you are right. The theory that we need to take the fight to the enemy and destroy him BEFORE he strikes us makes sense. The war in Afghanistan was the perfect illustration of this strategy and I supported that effort wholeheartedly.

But please tell me where we will apply this theory in the future.

The fact is that the biggest terrorist threats now come from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran and two of the three are our nominal allies. The chances of us confronting any of them militarily in the next four years is near zero. We don't have the manpower and more important we don't have the stomach as a people for another divisive war.

aunursa

Where do you get this idea that Kerry sees terrorism as a matter of law enforcement? I've never heard him say ANYTHING like that after 9/11, and mostly his statements are quite contrary to what you've alleged.

You just can't seem to shake the notion that some liberal from Massachussets could possibly know more about kicking ass than some wannabe-Texan cowboy.

Both of them have the same fucking education from Ivy League schools!

Bush is no cowboy. He's a fucking fake. He's a transplant. He's full of shit. His entire image is a goddamned facade!

monkeyweather

I just thought seeing all of them in a row, and how much they contradicted eachother might be helpful.

Don't you think after the 2nd or 3rd version of events he was touting that MAYBE, just maybe, he'd wait a bit and realize that mis-information was being flung from both sides?

The fact is that there is video proof of a bunker full of explosives that was found AFTER the pentagon guy did his removals, and left unsecured.

237 Rayra

Nope. I was for Lieberman first and then Edwards. However, I do think Dean would have been a stronger candidate than Kerry has been.

Although after the Dean scream, I would have voted for him just for the entertainment value.

#233 Geepers

Tell me you never dressed like this. ;-Þ

Silver?
Not on your life!

Rayra

My point is that Charles took every opportunity he could to parrot the GOP side of the story while ignoring clear and present evidence to the contrary.

He ignored the tape entirely. He ignored David Kay's comments on the tape entirely.

I'd have no problem with Charles being a conservative if he would be fair, but he only provides one side of the story and is nowhere near balanced.

With Pengate, it took Fox News showing a video clip proving him wrong before he would apologize and admit he now thought he was the expert on everything because he helped prove the CBS memos fake.

#242 jbltk

I wouldn't want the death penalty for a person who raped and murdered my wife. Does it bring her back? Does the revenge do anything to fix my sorrow?

Well then, lucky for your wife that the majority of us WOULD support the death penalty for someone who murders. She is a little bit safer every time a murderer is permanently removed from society. We all are.

It's not a matter of revenge, though some fools like to pretend that it is. It makes them feel grandiose and compassionate to believe that protecting a violent criminal is more benevolent than protecting society.

But what of society? Well quite clearly folks who prefer to kindly treat murderers are not of concern. See, society won't give them warm fuzzies about themselves and their so-called compassion the way releasing a murderer will.

You obviously have no understanding of the dynamics of violence, and you lack knowledge about the rate of "change" of murderers.
Not only that, but do you have no pity for other prisoners who might NOT be guilty of violence but who are locked up for years with violent murderers?

#245 jbltk

I'm not against New England liberals. I voted for Dukakis in 1988 and Lieberman in 2000. I would have voted for Joe this year had he been the nominee.

Where do I get the idea that Kerry sees this as a law enforcement issue?

"Any attack will be met with an immediate response."

Kerry waffles on whether he'll get international approval before a preemptive strike. In the debate he seemed to take both sides.

When he says that he won't subject a decision to attack to UN approval ... I don't believe him. Too much rhetoric about building a coalition.

Gotta go. The SNL election special is on.

monkeyweather

Pity on my wife? What good would it do my theoretical dead wife if her murderer were executed? Big logic problem.

#1 Bumper sticker phrase: Why do we kill people to teach that killing people is wrong?

#2 Locking a murderer up for the rest of his life allows him to be removed from society and not allow him to kill another innocent victim. It also allows for him to reclaim his life in the all too often case that he is wrongly convicted. Once you kill someone, you can't take it back.

#3 I do have pity for innocent people incarcerated with murderers. That's why I believe violent criminals should be separated from those that break more minor laws, like drug posession and such. The fact that they may not be isn't grounds for instituting the death penalty.

Rayra,

Skippy can't even figure out those threads are filled with thousands of comments, links, information, argument and contention.

Or that any or all those things could be true.

Read down his list in #210, it doesn't take a fucking genius to see the big picture sometimes, but then when you're intent on seeing just that sliver you want to see then base all your decisions on that then, well then you end up with:

I wouldn't want the death penalty for a person who raped and murdered my wife.

Does it bring her back? Does the revenge do anything to fix my sorrow? What is gained by it?

If there's a God, let him figure it out. It's not my place to take yet another life.

Taking the "moral" high ground deceitfully.

Being completely self centered.

Passing on responsibility and judgment.

If you can't condemn a rapist and murderer outright, and not understand that his execution is not only justified but might just well prevent some other innocent woman from being raped, then where does that leave you?

The Jews that later immigrated were not satisfied with the madate and used terrorist measures to get what they really wanted an Israeli state.

billib, evidently you don't mind making a complete ass of yourself in public. Where do you idiots come from?

Ronald Reagan wants you to go out and vote Bush -- to "win one for the Gipper!"

#245 j

I just thought seeing all of them in a row, and how much they contradicted eachother might be helpful. Don't you think after the 2nd or 3rd version of events he was touting that MAYBE, just maybe, he'd wait a bit and realize that mis-information was being flung from both sides?

Oh, helpful is what you were trying to be? My, my. I had misjudged your motives. Silly of me.

As to the rapid fire lot of stories Charles posted...well perhaps you do not recall that there was indeed a rapid fire lot of stories out there?
This is a blog. It moves quickly. If something is proven false, it is corrected and amended as further information becomes available.
This would be in contrast to, say, the NY Times and CBS (and many others I could name), who are not really all that interested in disseminating TRUTH. Perhaps they are more your speed, more your particular KIND of "truth"?

Now, you do know that blogs often move this way, yes?
If you prefer a slower moving medium that withholds stories that do not fit their agenda, you can take your pick. Basically whatever you subscribe to now should do nicely.

I mailed my absentee ballot in two weeks ago. However, there is a polling place in the student center on campus, so I won't be away from the general mayhem. I already warned my students that I might be hungover on Wednesday. Somehow, I know that they believed me. For weeks, I've been trying to teach them how the polls lie to them. Thank goodness it's relevant in a statistics class...'cause I would have been complaining about them anyway.

Charles, thanks! I've directed moonbats to many articles posted here. I hope it did some good.

It's just unbelievable how many people seem to have forgotten the knots in their stomachs from watching those planes. I will never forget the feelings of shock, disbelief, revulsion, and horror that I felt those first few days. AND I will never vote for some liberal pansy who would blame us first.

aunursa

Swiftly responding to a terrorist act wouldn't be pre-emptive action, would it? They threw the first punch.

That's the distinction that some people here have a hard time understanding. They seem to like Bush because he's so sure, so decisive and has an easy to grasp platform.

Kerry's fault lies in the fact that he's a complicated man with a complicated view. He tries so hard to address each and every scenario that people just see waffling.

His position: Swift response to a terrorist act. As much diplomacy and other means as possible before pre-emptive action. It's pretty easy to understand, actually.

#253 j

Pity on my wife? What good would it do my theoretical dead wife if her murderer were executed? Big logic problem.

You are inserting your own slanted beliefs into what another person says again. I did not say "If your wife was murdered", YOU said that. Which is rather BIZARRE. Why do you not use yourself as an example?
What next, will you talk about your children (if you have any) as examples in a molester story? That is disturbing to say the least.

I said that your wife is safer because some of us are proponents of being tough on violent criminals.
Not much of a reader, are you?
Perhaps it is late, and you are tired.

Why do we kill people to teach that killing people is wrong?

Killing is NOT wrong. MURDER is wrong. The death penalty is society's penalty for murder.
It is killing, but it is not murder.
I do not expect you to understand this, as that would require proper reading skills at the minimum.

monkeyweather

My point was more about how Charles selectively posts what he wants, even going to MSM sources to do so.

He constantly bemoans the unfairness of reporting in MSM, but is guilty of the exact same thing.

To me, he shows that he's not interested in the truth, he's interested in purporting HIS side of the story, the side he WANTS the truth to be.

If Charles were truly honorable and wanted to report the truth, he could be more balanced. There's nothing wrong with being conservative, but there IS something wrong with parroting the talking points of the GOP.

#221:

The jews had no claim to the land.

If this were real life, that would be the point where I hit you with a barstool across your fucking witless face. Since this is the Web, however, I'll have to be content with doing the same thing rhetorically.

What constitutes a "right" of a particular group to a state of their own in a particular place? Three things: historical/cultural ties to the land; some sort of a legal process establishing the state; and ipso facto ability to successfully maintain and defend the state and its territory. Guess what, shitstain, Israel is legitimate by all three criteria. If anything, it is more legitimate than pretty much any other state on that foul planet, having been established as a result of an extensive multilateral legal process, Jews having more historical/religious/cultural ties to that particular sliver of an inhospitable land than any nation anywhere, and being able to defend herself against such overwhelming genocidal odds that would send the likes of you shitting in their Depends and cowering under the pool table.

The rest of your (non-)points, flatworm: the British did not "give land" to Jews -- they allowed the Jewish settlement, having inherited the right to do so from the defeated Ottoman empire. Every last inch of land, every malaria-ridden swamp, every barren rock was bought and paid for. The restrictions that they placed on Jewish settlement were in violation of the original documented pledge, brought on by the desire/perceived necessity -- which you apparently share -- to suck the Arab dick, and thus illegitimate.

I could go on, but that's enough for now. You can learn and grow, or you can fuck off and rot in hell -- I don't give a shit either way.

Dixi et salvavi animam meam.

I just read that a kidnapped Buddhist was beheaded by muslims in Thailand.

Those kind of people need to be locked up so they can't hurt anyone else.

#259 jbltk

He tries so hard to address each and every scenario that people just see waffling.

No. What people see as waffling is not that he wants to address all possible scenarios. What they see as waffling is that he does not have consistency in his set of solutions for the multiple scenarios.

Q, outstanding.

#59 Q

Wake up and smell the honesty moron!

monkeyweather

I said what I said because you posted MY quote about a hypothetical murder of my wife, and retorted with "lucky for your wife that WE support it." I saw what you were saying about her being safer every time a murderer was removed from society. I didn't miss that.

Thank you for ignoring the rest of my points entirely.

Killing is still killing, whether it be by the government or a criminal.

You can't take back the life of a murder victim in the same way you can't bring back a wrongfully executed person.

You can achieve the same goal of removing them from society by imprisoning them for life without parole, while at the same time not running the risk of killing an innocent person.

THAT is why I'm against the death penalty.

#267 Iron Fist

Amen, brother!

There isn't going to be,... there's no, ... what did you say apology? Not even discussed. Nor should it be.

#261 j

constantly bemoans

Really? I have been here a while now, and I have yet to hear Charles "bemoaning".
I have, however, heard every liberal whine, groan, and bemoan that you can possibly fabricate.

There's nothing wrong with being conservative, but there IS something wrong with parroting the talking points of the GOP.

If the GOP says anything, every single liberal conspiracy theorist in the country would assume it is a lie without further investigation. That's IF the media "allowed" you to hear it at all.

You chose your poison, so stop "bemoaning" it.
Besides, what precisely is it to you what Charles does/says? Is this really something you think about a lot?
While Charles sounds perfectly nice, I really never think about Charles' opinions. Now I think about it, it never once even crossed my mind!
It might be a good thing for you to get out more and stop obsessing on Charles. It cannot be good for your health.

#265 Iron Fist

I seem to recall N. Korea building nuclear weapons while Dubya was off invading Iraq. If he let them achieve proliferation, how do we know he won't let Iran do the same?

Personally, I don't think Kerry is weak and I think he'll be an even better leader in the WoT.

How many people in his administration have ever served in the military and know how to truly fight a war?

Cheney? No.

Rumsfeld? No

Wolfowitz? No

Rice? No

The list goes on and on.

I don't see the point in voting for Bush on this single issue that he doesn't even really have any reason to be credible for.

He's flubbed up this entire thing.

He was partially responsible for the failure to foresee 9/11 (along with the Clinton admin.).

He let Bin Laden escape.

He's gotten us into a long, drawn-out conflict in Iraq that has NO end in sight.

Tell me, what has he really done to show that he can make us safer? Closed the southern border? LMAO