now they won't be distracted from what I'm sure will become the most important news for the next 2 monthss -- Laura's dress for the ball.

From Kos:

What happened to Kerry the fighter? What happened to making sure every vote is counted? Why do I feel like it's germany in the 1930s and I'm watching the party rise to power again?

"WAH! WAH! bush=nazi WAH! I'm so stupid! WAH!!!"

The loonies at Democratic Underground have closed public access to their forums:

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

They're trying to hide the pathetic display of lunacy upon the Bush victory.

It's over.

-Kos

HAHA!

Boston (CNSNews.com) – As President George Bush edged closer to the 270 electoral votes necessary to secure re-election, supporters of Democratic nominee John Kerry openly wept and consoled each other at the Election Night celebration in Boston's Copley Square. A distraught woman confronted a Democratic congressman in a hotel, screaming, "Can you tell me why everybody made a mistake?"

At my school, another teacher:
"...all those people who voted for Bush are all idiots and morons!"

George Sorros Currency Speculator/BIZATCH

"But if Bush wins he said, "I shall go into some kind of monastery to reflect. ... I will be asking what's wrong with us."

I haven't seen this for myself...but on another blog, someone reported that the LiveJournal pagan forums were abuzz with the theory that Bush stole the election by hiring a bunch of practitioners of high magic!

Because you just KNOW there have to be plenty of those around the White House...

I'll keep searching over there to see what I can find.

Hello all. This satire was e-mailed to me this morning so I thought I'd share it with you. It's a great day to be an American. Michael Moore's concession speech:

Dear America,

Well, you did it. Despite all the trickery, special effects and deceit I could muster, you went ahead and elected Bush anyway. Actually, I'm kind of relieved, now I don't have the pressure of being "That Asshole who screwed up politics with his mockumentary." As of right now, I'm looking for any and all Kerry election parties that still have food left on the buffet.

To the fans of my work, fear not, I have some very big plans that I will share with you. I’ll be poking around Florida looking for some disenfranchised minority voters (hopefully about 350,000 of them). Can't wait to edit the film from that trip! And, I'll also be hooking up with Morgan Spurlock, director of the hit film "Supersize Me"...we're doing a sequel called "Mi Mucho Grande" where we eat nothing but Taco Bell for a year and sit around lighting each other's farts. Blaming our burns on Haliburton, of course. I smell Cannes!

Or is that something else...

Shadily Yours,

Michael "Laughing All The Way To The Bank" Moore

At Democrats.com, some were calling for Terry McAulliffe's head to be replaced with Howard Dean's...

YEEEAAAWWW!

I trusted Kerry (4.00 / 4)

to be my President. I trust him to concede. He's a fighter, and he's also a pragmatist; he won't fight for no reason. That's one reason he would've made such a wonderful president.

Hugh was right. It wasn't close, so they couldn't cheat.

And is Mark Steyn going to resign or not? Bush won, though not by as much as he predicted.

#6 song_and_dance_man

LOL!!

From San Diego Indy Media:

What the fuck is happening?

Is this for real?

Are you listening or watching this shit? Republicans are winning like crazy, DNA samples for everyone, no gay marriage. Is this for real? I know democrats aren't the hottest tickets around, but this is nuts. God please let Donna Frye win or else I'm going to shit my pants, move to Ethiopia and do Payoti for the next 4 years.

We gotta riot tomorrow. Organized, structured, pointed riots.

Or else we're all fucked.

C-BS says: (get the kleenex out)

Kerry has decided to concede the race. Bush has a lead in Ohio so he decided it would be best to...

Gimme a break! A lead in Ohio? A lead!

"But, I served in Vietnam!"

it was the...diebold voting machines--they were calibrated for a repub victory--the real vote doesn't count--its the exit polls stupid

[Link: www.buzzflash...]

Mark Karlin is also in full meltdown mode.

Nightmare on Main Street: Tom "The Exterminator" DeLay Enlarges Lead in the Anti-Democracy GOP Run Congress 11/3

Karlin is a gun control advocate operating out of Chicago. Need not worry though, he soothes us all.

"The problem is just this: Slightly more than half of the citizens of this country simply do not care about what those of us in the “reality-based community” say or believe about anything. They don’t care that Iraq is turning into murderous ..." 11/3

Feel free to fire off an email from your non-reality based community to let Mark Karlin and his PR Firm website know what you think.

Here's a good one from Kos:

Second, gut any Bush hopes for legitimacy. Find the places in Florida and Ohio and every other state where a plausible argument for Republican vote fraud can be made. It doesn't matter whether it did happen or not. What matters is if it can be plausibly alleged to marginal Bush supporters and to the media. We also have to let the issue go where it's implausible. Hammering on voter fraud where it's not at least plausible on that level is only going to hurt our credibility. We have to sink our fangs into Republican ankles and hang onto them for dear life on the legitimacy issue. We have to make him "Bush the only American President who was never elected" whether it's true or not.

[Link: openthread.dailykos.com...]

Oh, yes, yes, yes! Here it is!

Magical Election Ta pering: SHUT IT DOWN!
Ok, I can understand the restlessness I've been feeling since yesterday. There's a lot riding on this election, and passions are running high on both sides, so naturally eceryone and their naked brother who has an ounce of Power and no clue about Shielding is leaking energy like a hair dryer in a bathtub. So it's Shields Up for me, but I'm still getting enough bleedover to make me jittery and a little manic if I don't concentrate. That's all to be expected.

What wasn't expected was that once I filtered out all that background noise, I started hearing a calm, resonable, and powerful head-voice saying things like "Kerry doesn't have the experience we need in these troubled times." and "Give Bush a chance to make it better."

Anyone who knows me KNOWS these are not my thoughts! And besides, I voted last week. No, there's no way in Hades these are my thoughts.

Gods-damn it! The f*cking Republicans have got Magical help pumping out a clear, unified, focused broadcast, and you can be sure, every sensitive is picking it up. These are the people most likely to vote Kerry, and I'd like to think they are resolute enough not to be swayed by telepathic subliminal advertising, but it's such a rarely-done thing, and so few people are properly trained these days, that I fear it will be more effective. Just watch and see who says "I was going to vote for Kerry, but for some reason I changed my mind at the last minute."

Who would be doing this for them? Gee, who are the Mages driving around in those black Mercedes and Lincolns with the tinted windows? The ones who live in the mansions with the hell-hounds in the yard and the 7-foot tall hairless black doormen? Every town has some, the bigger the town, the more of these "High Magi" you will find.

I have no idea what their agenda may be, but you can be damn sure the welfare of the common human on the street is not a part of it.

So shield, people, shield. And screen. And if you can shield a polling place, do it! I'm not saying to try to interfere with people's choices, but rather prevent them from being interfered with.

This is important, people, and it may be too late already.

AH HAH HAH HAAA!

Please... please, post links too!

I can't wait! ;)

Peter

From an email John Derbyshire received at the Corner. probably from Arianna Sullivan.

"GLOAT, and watch your pretend Teddy ride up the mound of civilian corpses he thinks of as San Falluja Hill.

"Gloat, and see sucidal economic policies precipitate the worst economic dislocation in 75 years.

"Gloat and enjoy the spectalce of a faith that imagines Torquemada to be the Redeemer; prefers burning Joan to the miracle of the loaves.

[Link: www.thestar.com...]
ANTONIA ZERBISIAS

"Do you want to see John Kerry going hat in hand to the United Nations and posing for photo ops with Kofi Annan and Jacques Chirac?" pleaded Little Green Footballs' chief hardline onliner, Charles Johnson. "Do you want to see the Arab world partying like it's 9/11? Do you want to see a new video from Osama bin Laden congratulating president-elect Kerry, directed by Michael Moore? Go vote now! Go!"

Johnson, for those out of the loop, has probably done more to disseminate hate for liberals, Europeans, the United Nations, Palestinians, Muslims and Hollywood than any other big name blogger.

The radical Muslim extremists, UN dictators, and Palestinian terrorists can always count on Zerbisias to be their human-shield from the hate-filled attacks by Charles.

CSpan this morning a female caller from LA called in to say she voted for Kerry and she wanted, ah, certain people to know (stressed certain people--ie terrorist) that only the north of her state was a red area. The south where she lives is always blue.

"I just want to make that VERY clear to certain people who should know."

[Link: www.raisemytaxes.com...]

Apparently this strategy didn't work.

I caught thios at Livejournal and I thought it was pretty awesome.

Current mood: triumphant
Current music: Eminem - Mosh

VICTORY
Well, who's moshing now, motherfuckers? Who's rocking the vote now? Why arent you storming the white house like you promised? Why arent you rioting? Why arent you "pumping your fists"? Come on, mosh for me just this once. Mosh, and we will mosh right back at you ten times harder. This is OUR country. Maybe now you'll know. This is for Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, Al Franken, Bill Maher, Howard Stern, and Jon Stewart. You can feel free to pour all the shit you want now. Tell me about how Bush murders puppies for a living. Tell me about how Cheney is in fact a vampire who is funded by the Zionist-Mason conspiracy. Tell me all about it, because the only thing you can do is fucking talk. You know what my graduation gift to myself will be, besides that GPWASR I want? A DVD of Fahrenheit 9/11. In fact, I might even give fatty my hard earned money and go see one of his movies at the theatre. Because there is nothing like watching a stuck pig squeal, my dear droogies. This is for Jacques Chirac, Yassir Arafat, Kim Jong-il, UBL, Zarqawi and the rest of you scum. Guess what?

From "Moonbat Central", otherwise known as Common Dreams :

"WORLD BRACES FOR MORE VIOLENCE AS KERRY CONCEDES TO BUSH"

Yes, indeedy, the all caps is their emphasis, not mine. Gee ... not a little overboard there with the hyperbole, huh Guys?

"[T]he Democratic Party as currently constituted is on its deathbed. It needs reforms, and it needs them now. Quite frankly, the status quo simply won't cut it.

Howard Dean for DNC Chair." - Kos

Dan Rather late last night on why he won't mark Ohio for Bush yet, even though everyone else has:

"We'd rather be late, than be wrong."

Hmmm, once bitten twice shy Dan?
(Actually that's twice bitten... at least)

Alright, I finally found my DU password. LOL

From the "all politics is local department,"

I heard this last night (said in jest) "There was a guy named 'Thor' on the ballot, since I'm a Christian, I couldn't vote for a Pagan Diety."

Moonbats' famous sentences ?

"Screw them"

Instead we screwed YOU.

I believe kerry is far too principled to ever be Pres.

who would have thought that when you fought for what you believed you pay all your life.
Posted by sukeyinTN @ 11/3/04, 12:05 PM

democrats.org blog comment

Pardon me, but I'm going to go take a bath in schadenfreude.

N. O'Brain
Imperial Minister for Useless Information

Kimberly :

OH MY GAWD!

ROFLMAO!

#34 Davesax

So it begins, the civil war inside the demonrats house...

Oh so many to choose from, I saw a few "get out and fight" (meaning literally) posts on the DU last night. I want to sift through the entire board but it's overloaded with traffic right now. That place will be a treasure trove though.

Here come the riots:

[Link: portland.indymedia.org...]

November 3rd Nationwide Day of Action
Over 30 cities across the nation are mobilizing for a time of popular outrage and widespread non-cooperation if Bush is elected, if the elections are canceled, or if there is overt election fraud again. No matter who wins, we will be uniting to open up a new political space to define democracy as grassroots and participatory.

What if on the day after the presidential election people from all walks of life across America mobilized in their communities to go beyond voting and demonstrate our visions for a truy democratic society? Because the crisis of our democracy did not start with Bush and won't end with Kerry, the Beyond Voting campaign is calling for our election year debate to expand beyond Democrats versus Republicas to the larger issue of whether the U.S. will be a Democracy or an Empire. No matter who wins, we will be uniting to open up a new political space to define democracy as grassroots and participatory.

Chris Matthews and Katie Kutie on NBC News at Noon:

"A majority, but not a mandate."

My hands down fave.

This isn't some sort of coincidence, no my friends Bush, Haliburton and the military industrial complex have had this figured out months ago. You think these ignorant, right wing, religious nazi fuckers could vote their way out of a paperbag? Funny how every state went to electronic voting machines isn't it. Don't tell some high altitude electronic warfare aircraft weren't flying missions yesterday to electronically alter the vote! The CIA has been doing this for decades to change the votes in central and South America.

Sounds like leftyhalfwit has found a home.

Indymedia is bracing for the revolution:

It Has Only Just Begun
The votes are in, the selection is over. It never mattered. Liberals are turning radical, radicals are going revolutionary...and the conservative are second guessing themselves. I have been listening to portland imc web radio all day and I am now very excited, EXCITED, not despondent about tomorrow...and the next day...and the next.
Now, we can start our future the future that we have been begging for. Momentum is on our side. Had John Kerry won, we wouldve woken up late tomorrow and missed being out in the street. Now, they will make it a point, they may come out eary, they may take back the streets, maybe the city, and perhaps, just perhaps, they may begin to take back their lives.

Hey Daschle! Burger King is hiring!

This from Kos himself:

"Even if Kerry can pull off the victory, it's clear the Democratic Party as currently constituted is on its deathbed. It needs reforms, and it needs them now. Quite frankly, the status quo simply won't cut it.

Howard Dean for DNC Chair."

Oh, abso-freakin'-LUTELY, Kossy-baby! This is EXACTLY what the DNC needs. Move the Party even further to the Left. There's a winning strategy!

From DU:

Many years ago I read Ayn Rand. The end is the kicker when

the talented and monied disappear and leave the great unwashed to fend for themselves. I think it is time for the great unwashed to do the disappearing...

Wonder what happened to Susan Estbitch on Fox News last night after she assured us that her "in the know" contacts promised her that Kerry was going to win Ohio? I didn't see her anymore after that...

Katie Couric: "a majority but not a mandate"

Even Chris Matthews didnt know what to say. Afrter a few seconds of silence he finally said

"He's got over 50%"

I feel so good today! :-)

Thank You American Voters!
Thank You LGF!
Thank You Charles!

Long Live President George W. Bush!
Long Live the U.S.A.!

zogby--kerry 311 electoral votes--arab fantasy hyperbole?--we report -you decide

here are two links not to be missed:
LINK and LINK

CatWoman (xxx posts) Wed Nov-03-04 05:09 PM

CatWoman (xxx posts) Wed Nov-03-04 05:09 PM
Original message
I went to work today, but came back home after an hour

My mind is reeling, I keep bursting out in tears.

I refuse to watch the news, but I have AAR turned on in the background.

I don't know what to do.

I can't think. I don't know exactly what I'm feeling.

Therefore, I'm going back to bed. The healing has to start somewhere. somehow.

Maybe tomorrow will be a better day.

I know it's not very Christian of me, but I must confess: I am enjoying my schadenfreude immensely.

The McAuliffe reign has ended in disaster, with the Democratic Party in worse position electorally than when he came in as Chair in February 2001. We have lost seats in the House and Senate, and failed to cleanly take out the Worst President Ever.
While McAuliffe was an artful fundraiser, the party continued to lack the ability to develop a clear message or properly frame the political debate. And it's been killing us.
- Kos

Dear Kos, it isn't that you're message is getting out...it's that REAL AMERICANS THAT LOVE LIBERTY AND HATE TERRORISM AND EVERYTHING THE LEFT STANDS FOR INCLUDING ABORTION, PACIFIST IDEALS, SOCIALISM, ETC. ETC. ETC. DON'T WANT OR NEED YOUR KIND! AMERICANS DO NOT WANT YOUR LEFTIST IDEALS. WE WANT FREEDOM, LIBERTY, PEACE, AND TRUTH. TRUTH, KOS TRUTH. NOT LEFTIST LIES.

AMERICA DOES NOT WANT YOU. MOVE TO FRANCE WHERE THEY LOVE YOU, AND WE'LL FIGHT YOU LATER.

Anyone listening to NBC?

Chris Matthews on there now saying,

"Katie the south part of the country is different. People that don't live there don't understand. They believe there is WoMD in Iraq. They are simple people. They are not analytical...

"Why yassar, master Matthews, sur."

*Chewing nails*

#47 Globular Cluster

I post this just so the trolls can read it:

They'd better NOT try anything because if they make ONE move against the will of The People, The People will show them why there is a Second Amendment in our Constitution.

Commies, go home, take a nap, take a trip to France.
You are not welcome in America's roads.

post amusing quotes from the fever swamps of the left wing internet

Okay if I expand the topic to include "amusing quotes heard in person"?

Overheard in the Metro elevator this morning, between two glum-looking Kerry-supporter girls (one of who was pretty hot, but that's another story):

"This [Bush's victory] is probably going to trigger a wave of terrorist attacks right here in Washington. I only hope they have the decency to let me get out of town before they begin."

This isn't from the Internet but Chris Matthews and Katie Curic just completely insulted a majority of Americans. 1) Southerns and Christians aren't analytical. They just believe and follow. 2) Bush has no mandate. 3) There really are two Americas (basically a smart progressive America and then another for us dumbass Southerners and/or Christians. I'm so pissed off right. Does someone know how to get a transcript of this?

The moonbat quotes are hilarious (as some of us found when we were reading them during the night.)

The moonbats are going through meltdown (as in, a major psychic break.)

It's too bad some are locking their blogs from us. Their writings are so funny!!!

The moonbats are now devouring each other as much as they tried to devour us and our President.

Their mass nervous breakdown is truly a sight to behold.

...and the little birdies are still singing outside my window...

48 Mr. Beamish

don't forget John "you gonna eat them fries, 'cause if not, my wife wants 'em" Edwards!

1st link in my post was incorrect: here it is again. hope it works this time!

i never understood schadenfreude until this morning. from the demento who runs democratic underground, pass the tissues:

Posted by Skinner
Added to homepage Wed Nov 03rd 2004, 10:48 AM ET

I cannot possibly put into words how disappointed, angry, and perplexed I am right now. The reported results coming out of Florida and Ohio simply make no sense to me. I cannot comprehend how we could have such a massive increase in turnout and not win the election. To paraphrase that little weasel Tucker Carlson: You don't wait in line for five hours to vote for more of the same. Who knows, maybe some people really would wait in line for more of the same. But my impression is that something just stinks here. As EarlG told me this morning: The result is either massively fraudulent or deeply disturbing.

"...this is not about left or right. It is about retro-romantic fanatics who sincerely don't believe that humanity has a future!"

--an email from a liberal Chicagoan

“The hopes of our country are on the line ... and the world is watching,” sKerry Kerry.

W says HOWDY!

"Can you tell me why everybody made a mistake?"

-the pseudobohemian intellectual, kerouac meets calvin klein, distraught woman screaming

The Democratic Underground (which has their fora temporarily closed) has this to say on their main page:

I have no clue what happened. As I said above, I find the result to be extremely hard to believe. In my disappointment, I find myself drawn to a number of possible explanations, some of which raise legitimate questions that need to be answered, and others which may just be the result of wishful thinking. We've got an incredibly smart and motivated group of people here. We need to consider all of the possibilities. If any particular idea has potential, then we need to pursue it. I have already seen many very compelling theories put forth on this message board, and I'm sure we'll hear lots of other ideas coming from other bloggers. Hopefully some of them will pan out. But I would caution everyone to avoid jumping to any conclusions. As much as we don't want to believe it, it may turn out that--to put it bluntly--the other side got more votes.

We have already had some very interesting things posted on DU since last night. Of particular interest to me were the following:

This post and this post suggest that exit polls closely match reported results, except in those states that had electronic voting machines with no paper trail. This definitely deserves more scrutiny.

Also, there was this post asking why the massive increase in turnout isn't showing up in the final numbers. Or is it? This needs to be looked into.

Whiners. Looks like they are casting about for any straw of hope to illegitimise the election.

Pathetic.

Owl: we certainly learned that the Democrat Party inferiority isn't money related. It's ideas, ideas and ideas.

American Values Scale
1) Faith
2) Liberty
3) Security

The first freedom cited in the first amendment is...

Religion.

I know it's not very Christian of me, but I must confess: I am enjoying my schadenfreude immensely.

After a solid year of Michael Moore propaganda, insane hatred from the left side of the blogosphere, outright partisanship by the MSM, and finally a campaign of lies from John Kerry... we who stood against it deserve one day of gloating and schadenfreude.

After that, let's start beating up on Bush if he doesn't execute the war vigorously or attack the deficit.

#57 - Sloan - No, I suppose it's not very Christian to gloat. Then again, it's hard not to take pleasure in watching the sobs of people who have been telling us all along that we're evil and stupid and we'd get our hats handed to us on Election Day.

I seriously doubt that any of the people we're snickering at here would be so much as polite to us if we encountered them on the street. They'd likely be violent if we were wearing "W" buttons. So I don't feel too callous for laughing at their misery.

I check these clowns every day.
Look for the Jew hating 'troll', he's a live one.
Per usual, 'Zionists did it' is the cause celebre.

Who would be doing this for them? Gee, who are the Mages driving around in those black Mercedes and Lincolns with the tinted windows? The ones who live in the mansions with the hell-hounds in the yard and the 7-foot tall hairless black doormen? Every town has some, the bigger the town, the more of these "High Magi" you will find.

We aren't that visible!
BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

#62 Baby Elephant
(WONDERFUL nic !!!)

Evidently the pundits are not so witty, they go on with the same behavior that made them lose in 2000, 2002 and now 2004.

I agree more and more with Savage, leftism is a mental disease.

#26

HOLY SMOKES!

The author of that needs some serious medication!

Remeron? Haldol?

Science fiction writer David Brin drinks the Kool-Aid:

[Link: www.davidbrin.com...]

Wheee!

Thanks for the 'tip, Charles!

I'm busy collecting snippets from all over the web and talking to my Mother about my delusional moonbat brother who's disowned me.

Still a fantastic, historic day!

W00t!

A good one from Metafilter:

We need a stealth candidate. We can unveil his/her identity the day before the election, then they won't have time to define him/her.

For a truly uplifting diversion, check out a profoundly miserable Al Franken, on now at Air Amerikka.

Oh, how it warms the empty cavity in my heartless conservative chest.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
Tax revolt, Strikes
by mvk

It should be abundantly clear, if it wasn't by now, that we are powerless to change the tide in the US through the electoral system. The same party controls all three branches of the federal government and has shown complete willingness to meddle in affairs at state and local levels. Moreover, they control the companies that provide the machines used to secretly tabulate our vote.
Are you ready to hit this government where it counts?

It is time to look at our history books and see what has worked elsewhere. I find two strategies that we can take on right away that will IMMEDIATELY impact this government.

1. Strike
Stop contributing to the corporate rulers of this nation by working to benefit them. If we can get 5 million people to strike- that makes an impact. Right away. That brings the eye of the world to this situation, and makes it clear that something is wrong. Yes, I know we all need to pay bills, to keep a roof over our heads, feed families, etc...but think back to Hitler. Think back to the world that he would have for his people. And know that GWB, 4 years in, is further along on his agenda of hate and suppression thank Hitler was in 4 years. Do you want to change the tide? Then put the corporate leaders in a position where they have to listen. If they have no workers, they cannot make money, and there is no money to fuel the wars, and no material from which to build the bombs.

2. Tax revolt
Do not pay taxes to the feds. Turn up your deductions to maximum levels. Claim additional exemptions on your W4's. Do not file tax returns. Pay your local taxes, and donate a substantial amount to the charities of this country who provide the services we need. But stop funding the federal nightmare. Worried about the IRS? Don't be. What will they do if millions of us, tens of millions, do not pay our taxes? They don't have the enforcement to find us, they don't have the jails to hold us, and they don't have IRS agents with the morale to pursue us day after day if we are engaged in a noble cause.

Today is the day to start. DO NOT GO TO WORK TODAY. AND TELL YOUR BOSS YOU ARE STAYING HOME TO PROTEST THE GOVERNMENT.

It may sound ludicrous to you individually to take this stand, but remember, we're all here for you. And I, for one, will be joining you.
---
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
Sad State of Affairs
by J Way Left

I am at a loss this morning to understand what has happened in this country. Forget all the talk about voter fraud and "an outside chance." The fact is that the Democrats failed miserably in their strategy to lure so-called swing voters to their side. Turnout may have been up, but probably only in the states that we knew we'd take. The problem for the dems is that they are afraid of appealing to their liberal base, of appearing "liberal" to the swing voters.
I say f**k the swing voters. Why can't we win one state in the south? Why can't we focus our energy on minority voters in states where they can make a difference? There is no southern strategy. We need to do what the republicans do. Screw the others and appeal to the liberals who I still believe make up a majority in this country.

I am depressed beyond belief. If there was fraud, it certainly wasn't the deciding issue. We should f**king win Arkansas, Missouri, North Carolina and Virginia and send the liars home.

It's going to take bombs falling and killing our own women and children before we realize how screwed we are.

I for one have unplugged myself from the matrix.

Gee, who are the Mages driving around in those black Mercedes

??? But I drive a blue Audi. I don't understand.

Does anyone have any reaction from the soldiers in Iraq / Afgahanistan to the news?

Check out the Atrios comments:

[Link: www.haloscan.com...]

Ok, this is an open invitation from a Canadian...

Have you figured it out yet? Isn't it time you visited our embassy?

- no Fox News Channel
- our conservatives are liberal
- no guns
- universal health care
- tolerance enshrined AND practised
- political civility on a Utopian plane

Bring us your tired, your hungry...

Enough is enough, yanks...we're ready for you with open arms.
Morrison | Email | Homepage | 11.03.04 - 3:22 am | #

"Chris Matthews on there now saying,

"Katie the south part of the country is different. People that don't live there don't understand. They believe there is WoMD in Iraq. They are simple people. They are not analytical..."

He might be right, look at Jimmy Carter, John Edwards, Fritz Hollings, or was he talking about "other" southerners.

#70 T Q C

it may turn out that--to put it bluntly--the other side got more votes

You must admit that these moonbats are witty, aren't they ?

Morons.

from Daily Kos:

Blame the Queers (none / 0)

Fuck all of you Democrats who tell me to what 10 or 20 or 30 years to obtain my civil rights. Either you believe in principles of equality and tolerance or you don't. If you don't believe in these principles change your registration. If you do, fight for them proudly. What is so fucking pathetic about you is that you think you will win if you sell your souls for 4 million. You'll sell them and then Bush and his heirs will still defeat you. Then what will you be left for you to believe in?

Judging from the sweeping gay marriage bans, I don't think people want gays to be 'married.' IMHO they should be able to enter some kind of legal union (equal protection under the constitution) but 'marriage' isn't something defined by the gov.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
Hey Kids 18 to 24 years old ! . . .
by prodigalson
Wed Nov 3rd, 2004 at 13:13:11 GMT

Hey, all you 18-24 year old kids that registered, but did not bother to show up yesterday. . .
F*, and enjoy the draft!

Yep, and enjoy your maiming injury or death in a ME country so's Dickie boy can get his $$!

And with your shrinking good paying job prospects, YOU HAVE to go into the military. Hope that works out for you!

Hope you get a thrill outta having no affordable health insurance so your kiddo with a chronic problem suffers.

Ahhh . . . breathe in that scent of republicans at work. . . POLLUTION! ENJOY!

And ya gotta love that ol' time religion! You just KNOW that the fundies will now be completely calling the shots, helllooo Torqamada !

Once again, generation Y, gotta say great work !!!

Love,
Prodigal Son
(Voted in every election and primary since age 18, 1986)
---
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
STEALING ANOTHER ELECTION... (none / 1)

The only slight odds are a repeat of 2000. They force fed the Populace BullShit polls, setting everyone up for the improbable.
Record anecdotal evidence about our side's turnout. And in FL and OH, they somehow magically overcome our record turnout? HOW!?

Where are the marginal Repub voters coming from? The evangelicals who stayed home in 2000 b/c of W's DUI. What a crock of shit.

This is not What Democracy Looks Like.

How come in CT all the precincts have reported in the non-contested Congressional Districts?

How come all the CD's have voted 270K voters, plus or minus 5K voters, except the 2nd , where the unpopular Repug won by a 165K to 140K result?

Coincidence? One out of five districts turns out an extra 10% (All Repug). yeah, right.

CT-4 and CT-2! Two New England House races that Dems must win. [Link: www.farrellforcongress.com...] & [Link: www.sullivanforcongress.com...]
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by edwardbanderson on Wed Nov 3rd, 2004 at 07:06:44 GMT
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there is no hope (none / 0)

sorry, cultural divide is too much. If the south wants to remain dumb, poor, and the fodder of our armed forces, isn't much we can do. They keep voting Republican they are just screwing themselves.
I am a well off liberal from NJ, with a nice home, nice cars, etc etc but I do have empathy for those less fortunate. I just feel for those poor democrats stuck in the bastation of ignorance which is our southern states.

by threecents on Wed Nov 3rd, 2004 at 07:02:38 GMT
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We must NEVER concede (none / 0)

We must count EVERY vote. We must protest EVERY vote. We must litigate EVERY vote. We must audit EVERY vote. And we must do this EVERY day for the next 4 years. Even if it shuts down the whole government, ESPECIALLY if it shuts down the whole government. We must make theirs a truly Pyrrhic Victory. But what we can NEVER EVER do is give in. Make those b*st*rds sorry they ever f**ked with us.
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Anyone want my DU account? The place bores me, now.

Liberals' heads exploding! News at 11!

It was amusing, this morning, listening to the two moonbats speculating upon how soon the draft would begin.

by opinionated on Wed Nov 3rd, 2004 at 08:20:47 GMT
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There better be some riots tonight Current rating: 14
by me
(No verified email address) 03 Nov 2004
Disgusting.
How is this happening? What are these people thinking?? Look at what this man has done to the world and domestically-- look at what he believes in and what he is going to do given another 4 years. What the f**k is wrong with you people? The American people ahve to be the most arrogant, ignorant people on the face of the earth. You obviously have no regard for freedom and believe your country should go around bombing who it wants and where it wants. This is disgusting. It's hard to feel bad about Sep. 11 when you people put this monster back into office. There better be some riots tonight or something. No more marching in circles.
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Re: There better be some riots tonight
by tom in manhattan
(No verified email address) Current rating: 12
03 Nov 2004
f**king christian idiots...f**king vodoo believers. I f**king pissed...really f**king pissed. i feel f**king sick...feel like beating some dum bush idiot just for being a f**king sheep.

f**king take to the f**king streets tomorrow...f**king show up assholes!
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Re: There better be some riots tonight
by f**ked in the usa
(No verified email address) Current rating: 9
03 Nov 2004
Goddamn you idiotic landlocked americans!!! "God is good Bush is great" For f**ks sake!!! This is making me think violent thoughts too. REVOLUTION.
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Re: There better be some riots tonight
by Kme
sirsuperspeedy (nospam) yahoo.com (unverified) Current rating: 21
03 Nov 2004
What a sentiment! I love liberals for their absolute belief that their tent, their doctrines, are the only ones that can be followed. I've watched my party become the most fascist, arrogant, and illogical bunch of people on earth. It isn't the republicans, you bastards. It's us and our tactics. Our inability to listen. The liberals offer nothing to the world and I'm ashamed to be associated with you people. You're terrible, hateful, totalitarian thugs and you deserve to have zero representation.
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(N.B. - back to the Loonies)
Re: There better be some riots tonight
by YoYo
(No verified email address) Current rating: 13
03 Nov 2004
Bush and his supporters advocate gun ownership. It is high time we, the loyal opposition, went out and as a bloc exercised our right to buy assault weapons. Half the country arming itself would send a loud message.
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Re: There better be some riots tonight
by The Art of War
(No verified email address) Current rating: 8
03 Nov 2004
Massive turnout = Repug victory? I don't think so. Diebold shenanigans...no paper trail. What did we expect? The zombies hordes won't take this one, no sir. It's time for the thinking people of America to act. The entire world is counting on us. Bush is the most hated man in history. Another four years and they take the crypto out of fascism. More false flags, more terra attacks, more corporate welfare, more attacks on working families, LTLs, your worst nightmare brought to fruition. ACT NOW OR DIE.
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Re: There better be some riots tonight
by xx
(No verified email address) Current rating: 4
03 Nov 2004
there will be no riots. there will be quiet anger. there will be than anger of those os us who see through the lies. there will be the anger of teh new terrorist. this is the birth of the american terrorist. we will now fight back. by all means necessary...
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#82 dog bard: From your excerpt--

Stop contributing to the corporate rulers of this nation by working to benefit them.

The Kos-reading LLLs have jobs? Who knew?!

From a flyfishing site I look at once in a while...

" Bye, bye environment"

Bwaaahahahaha! Yes, now to destroy the forests and the water ! BBBwwwaaahhhaaa!

whatever.

#24: So, basically, the truth doesn't matter to them. Just keep repeating the Big Lie, a la Josef Goebbels, till it sticks.

Schadenfreude: It's not just a word, it's an adventure.

}:-)4

Heh heh,

Kos has this brilliant suggestion

The McAuliffe reign has ended in disaster, with the Democratic Party in worse position electorally than when he came in as Chair in February 2001. We have lost seats in the House and Senate, and failed to cleanly take out the Worst President Ever.
While McAuliffe was an artful fundraiser, the party continued to lack the ability to develop a clear message or properly frame the political debate. And it's been killing us.

Even if Kerry can pull off the victory, it's clear the Democratic Party as currently constituted is on its deathbed. It needs reforms, and it needs them now. Quite frankly, the status quo simply won't cut it.

Howard Dean for DNC Chair.

Yeah, put the Scream in charge of your party - that's all you need. Can you say another 5% moving in the GOP direction if the Democrats cater to Dean's radicalism?

Re: There better be some riots tonight
by cheese-eating captulation monkey
(No verified email address) Current rating: 0
03 Nov 2004
Modified: 06:00:56 PM
Go ahead, Americans - fight it out! If you actually experienced war on your own ground - as opposed to just sending your schoolyard bullies overseas as cannon fodder - you wouldn't have been electing incompetent lunatics like Bush in the first place. And you'd probably have introduced a functioning democracy, instead of your current third world-style pseudocracy, long ago.
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[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]
drdigi420 (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-03-04 06:33 AM
Original message
F**king REDNECKS! G**damn morons

NOW do you people see that religion is DANGEROUS?!?!?!

Anti-choice holy rollers came out in droves to express their bigotry and homophobia. This country is full of redneck holy rolling assholes that keep SUVs, country "music", "reality" shows, religion, NASCAR, and republicans in vogue.

F**k this bunch of holy rollers. Religion is EVIL. Rednecks are STUPID. Fearful, bigoted, easily manipulated by assholes, f**k these people.

The people have spoken:
they prefer stupidity to intelligence
they prefer hyperbole to facts
they prefer fantasy to reality
they prefer hate to hope

Lost culture of morons.
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TwentyFive (185 posts) Wed Nov-03-04 07:33 AM
Response to Original message

16. So TRUE - Your comments are 100% right - rednecks & holy rollers are..

- the new brownshirts. Stupidity is a badge of honor to them...same goes for destroying the environment, killing forigners, bowing down to authority. They turn what little thinking skills they have over to Rush, Hannity, Coulter, etc.
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makah (9 posts) Wed Nov-03-04 08:03 AM
Response to Original message

18. These a**hole, son of b*tches stole the electon

This isn't some sort of coincidence, no my friends Bush, Haliburton and the military industrial complex have had this figured out months ago. You think these ignorant, right wing, religious nazi f**kers could vote their way out of a paperbag? Funny how every state went to electronic voting machines isn't it. Don't tell some high altitude electronic warfare aircraft weren't flying missions yesterday to electronically alter the vote! The CIA has been doing this for decades to change the votes in central and South America.
We should rise up and denounce Bush and his group of neo-cons! Put Kerry in the Whitehouse so he can lead our country into peace and prosperity while protecting our environment and women's choice. Let the right wing religious zionist christian fundamentalist choke on their gluttony for oil in the deserts of Arabia. The muslums will avenge the rape of their soil with the blood of these jew loving christian wackos! F***k Buusshhh!
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-03-04 05:50 AM
Original message
Soros. Buffett. Lou Dobbs. Throw your lot in with your gut instinct:

Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 05:52 AM by lostnfound
You KNOW this election is being stolen.

Lou, you did the BlackBox Voting stories. George Soros, Warren Buffet, any other liberal money-men: the only thing this country takes seriously seems to be wealth. Speak out and state that you don't believe the results -- starting with Florida.

YOU movers and shakers: do NOT let Kerry & Edwards stand out there on their own! Push the dialog on the TV to new places. Force discussion on this fraudulent election, on the lack of recounts, on BROTHER JEB'S past history in 2000 (US Civil Rights Commission wanted a criminal investigation). Do NOT shut up. We need to open up Florida and demand a paper ballot election or telephone sampling of precincts or SOMETHING.

We need Money-men to join in this not just for the money but for the media, because big money is the ONLY thing that the Media respects now.

DON'T GIVE UP ON FLORIDA. Not through absentees, but through criminal investigations, unending spotlight on the cheating. Push on MULTIPLE fronts, and make JEB feel the heat.

#59 glwing

I wish I knew which network my wife's family was watching back in WV, but here was the quote that caused her neice to drop the F-Bomb in front of her mom...

"You know, it was pretty obvious that WV would go to Bush based on John Edwards. He's just not rugged enough for that type..."

THAT TYPE? I laughed myself silly.

#78 pst314

Science fiction writer David Brin drinks the Kool-Aid

That's sad. He even cites the pro-terror "Washington Report on Middle East Affairs."

The Fark.com thread is absolutely hilarious, lots of DUmbies crying in their coffee:

You people make me sick... american's have the right to vote as they see fit, and for you to rub it in their faces and say things like take that "you socialist jerks"... or whatever the hell you are saying...christ I hope this country get's attacked now. I hope it happens in your home town.. Just so you can finally have that shiat eating grin wiped off your faces.

You won nothing NOTHING today! ..

The reason we lost is because we have not justified and defined a real leftist agenda.

There's lots, lots more -- all interspersed with GOP-voting Farkers jumping for joy...

Really, really funny thread.

BUSHISM OF THE DAY: 'If you believe, as I do, that America's best days are ahead of us, then join me tomorrow and change the direction of America.'-- John Kerry in Milwaukee yesterday.

[Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]

Great quote there, John!

OT:

In other news, Yasser Arafat's handlers report he's sitting up on his own.

I thought;

"I actually voted for the 87 billion dollars before I voted against it."

was the quote of the cycle if not the decade then there was;

"Fake but accurate"

which brings the state of affairs of the left and our nation to clarity. It must be black arm band time at the NYTimes.

Be sure to check into Krugmans spot on Friday after the idiotic puff piece the other day. I hope not to see him burn in hell directly but this is the next best thing;

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Be sure to see the "speech";

[Link: inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080...]

MSNBC Journalism School of Katie Couric foot worship --

"A few bullet points on what appears to have happened in this remarkable presidential election:

1. The incumbent persuaded voters who are not happy with the status quo to stay the course.

2. The incumbent made this race as much a referendum on his challenger as it was on him, and reframed the usual course of campaign debate about a war and the US economy. The Democratic challenger frequently departed from his focus on domestic issues such as Medicare, prescription drugs, and helping the middle class to talk about the war.

3. The incumbent overcame one bad story beyond his control after another. Very little went Bush's way after the capture of Saddam Hussein in December 2003. After that came increased casualties in Iraq, Abu Ghraib, the September 11 commission report, the absence of WMD, criticisms of No Child Left Behind and the Medicare law, unhelpful job numbers, and one or more lost debates.

4. The incumbent apparently benefited from late deciders.

5. The incumbent benefited from turnout which, despite seeming higher than the predicted floor of 110 million (official tallies TBD), must have been a lot more evenly distributed between Bush and Kerry than had been expected. The CW had been the higher the turnout, the better for Kerry.

And, 6. The incumbent also benefited from a shift among Hispanic voters -- per Democrats' own data. A Democratic party source says there was a 6% shift to Bush nationally and a 5% shift in Florida, where Hispanics made up about 15% of the electorate. "

MSNBC

This one is better:

Well, at least irony isn't dead. The world anal gangbang record was broken yesterday. 101, no lube. Um, nsfw.

I checked. He's right. Not safe for work.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
Hey Kids 18 to 24 years old ! . . .
by prodigalson
Wed Nov 3rd, 2004 at 13:13:11 GMT

Hey, all you 18-24 year old kids that registered, but did not bother to show up yesterday. . .
F*, and enjoy the draft!

Yep, and enjoy your maiming injury or death in a ME country so's Dickie boy can get his $$!

And with your shrinking good paying job prospects, YOU HAVE to go into the military. Hope that works out for you!

Hope you get a thrill outta having no affordable health insurance so your kiddo with a chronic problem suffers.

Ahhh . . . breathe in that scent of republicans at work. . . POLLUTION! ENJOY!

And ya gotta love that ol' time religion! You just KNOW that the fundies will now be completely calling the shots, helllooo Torqamada !

Once again, generation Y, gotta say great work !!!

Love,
Prodigal Son
(Voted in every election and primary since age 18, 1986)
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[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
STEALING ANOTHER ELECTION... (none / 1)

The only slight odds are a repeat of 2000. They force fed the Populace BullShit polls, setting everyone up for the improbable.
Record anecdotal evidence about our side's turnout. And in FL and OH, they somehow magically overcome our record turnout? HOW!?

Where are the marginal Repub voters coming from? The evangelicals who stayed home in 2000 b/c of W's DUI. What a crock of shit.

This is not What Democracy Looks Like.

How come in CT all the precincts have reported in the non-contested Congressional Districts?

How come all the CD's have voted 270K voters, plus or minus 5K voters, except the 2nd , where the unpopular Repug won by a 165K to 140K result?

Coincidence? One out of five districts turns out an extra 10% (All Repug). yeah, right.

CT-4 and CT-2! Two New England House races that Dems must win. [Link: www.farrellforcongress.com...] & [Link: www.sullivanforcongress.com...]

by edwardbanderson on Wed Nov 3rd, 2004 at 07:06:44 GMT
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there is no hope (none / 0)

sorry, cultural divide is too much. If the south wants to remain dumb, poor, and the fodder of our armed forces, isn't much we can do. They keep voting Republican they are just screwing themselves.
I am a well off liberal from NJ, with a nice home, nice cars, etc etc but I do have empathy for those less fortunate. I just feel for those poor democrats stuck in the bastation of ignorance which is our southern states.

by threecents on Wed Nov 3rd, 2004 at 07:02:38 GMT
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We must NEVER concede (none / 0)

We must count EVERY vote. We must protest EVERY vote. We must litigate EVERY vote. We must audit EVERY vote. And we must do this EVERY day for the next 4 years. Even if it shuts down the whole government, ESPECIALLY if it shuts down the whole government. We must make theirs a truly Pyrrhic Victory. But what we can NEVER EVER do is give in. Make those b*st*rds sorry they ever f**ked with us.

"there will be no riots. there will be quiet anger. there will be than anger of those os us who see through the lies. there will be the anger of teh new terrorist. this is the birth of the american terrorist. we will now fight back. by all means necessary... "

I think I said it long ago...

leftists=demorcarats=terrorists

I hope the CIA is looking into this already...

TRAITORS, EVERY ONE OF YOU.

I'm a bit of a photography buff. Whenever something with a political aspect occurs, moonbats come out of the woodwork at one photography forum I frequent. They didn't disappoint today. Sadly, I can't provide quotes, as the moderator keeps shutting down such threads as fast as they get started.

The gist is:

- Bush voters are uniformed/stupid/in-bread
- The US has become a confederacy
- The US is doomed to international infamy
- There's still hope! The Ohio provisional ballots! Disenfranchisement!

One guy posted a picture of a moonbat protester doing something too nuanced for me to understand. Looked like he has gauze stuck in his mouth.

A big Yeeaarrrggghhh! to the idea of appointing Dean to the DNC chairmanship. The dems will be finished!

Wow - I especially loved the rant on "Magic" and "sensitives"!!! Classic! I'd like to think that my prayers helped in blocking their karma or whatever mumbo jumbo they were talking about.

vtrtl's post from last night.

best DU post ever (re going ot ohio to kick freeper ass):

i would go
but i have no money
and no way to get there

i want to though

it's a DU haiku

I'm still laughing about it this morning.

"Structured riot"... Charles, I think we've got a winner! This one needs to be added to the random header list.

"Now is not the time to goat" Marion Barry

"This a friggin great time to gloat" Horsesoldier

I captured a bit from DU

The short version:

The rest of the world watched with baited
breath today- praying collectively that we
would somehow take back our country because
they knew all too well that the results of this election
would affect their lives too. We tried. We really tried.
In record numbers, but the fix was in before we ever
went to cast our votes to rid the world of these demons
from the bowels of hell.

We must put our pens to paper and tell them
that the election was stolen and we did NOT elect
these people. We must beg their forgiveness for
allowing these people to take power in 2000.
We should have taken to the streets then, and now
it is too late. We must tell them that we do not
support what these people have done, and will do
in our names..

As I sit quietly reading news accounts from he internet sources, the moonbat liberals around me at work are whining... "4 more years of hell"...

It's so hard not to laugh!

#112 zulubaby

You're right. It's great.

#29 Hahahahahaha!

Antonia is one of Canada's uber-moonbats! I love it.

But if she talks about Charles, or LGF-I think we need some kind of communal chanting, or spell to ward off her evil eye. Here are some Sephardic oldies but goodies:

Hamsa hamsa hamsa! [hand spread with five fingers open]

[shakes salt on computer]

Tfut tfut tfut!

If I hear one more f'ing person tell me Bush has no mandate I'm going to puke. Heck, I may do that anyway...due to the celebratory beer drinking I did last night!!!

But seriously, he won by a significant amount in the popular vote, Senate picked up seats for Reps, and so did the House.

How can anyone spin that as not a mandate??

The two comments that sank Kerry:

"I actually voted for the 87 billion dollars before I voted against it."

"We need to pass a Global Test..."

"We now return you to continuing coverage of the Democratic Party/progressive self-immolation/train wreck..."

It's like watching the Berlin Wall come down... all over again.

Do you think that when the aircraft carrier U.S.S. G.W.Bush (not the U.S.S. G.H.W.Bush) is 'brought to life', there will be a printout of the Daily Kos and a copy of the NYT aboard -- as a memento of the fall of the LLL?

Kimberly,
That is ROFLMAO Funny...great find!

QM

What about this one?

I blame the gays. Without the gays there would be no homophobes. Without the homophobes the voter turn out would have been lighter.

#112 zulubaby

Maybe we should take up a Liberal Lunatic Latte (LLL) fund so they can go debrief at Starbucks?

#82 - Tax revolt, Strikes

Don't they need to have a job first?

The electoral vote determines the President. The popular vote determines the mandate.

"I actually did vote for John Kerry, before I voted against him"
58,309,946 American Voters, Nov 2, 2004

#29 gumble

Boy, who knew Charles, or should I call him Chief, was so powerful he could bring down europe, the UN, the plo, Hollywood, etc. Wow! What a man!

Though not from today's LLL/DUs...

At least Hubert Humphrey got one right:
"The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously."
--Hubert H. Humphrey

Special thanks to Moore and Bin Laden for making it clear to the American public that both of them supported Kerry for the same reasons.

With Bin Laden endorsing the Kerry ideologues, Kerry got an A+ on the global test, but somehow failed the US election. Go figure.

Maybe Bin Laden should be kept alive just to serve as the final arbiter of the global test. To play that role he would need to be captured alive then interviewed regularly by Dan Rather who could be intimately sharing the same jail cell.

How about this from Al-Jezeera?

Bush, 58, the born-again Christian son of ex-president George Bush, campaigned as a "war president" ready to take the United States into battle alone if necessary to safeguard the country.

The 60-year-old Kerry, a decorated Vietnam War veteran, took a more nuanced stand, preaching the need to repair alliances rent by the Iraq war and to reconstruct an international consensus on the global war against "terrorism".

#112 zulubaby

LAMO

Thanks for bringing that one back...

I think it would be appropriate to thank Zell Miller today. I believe he went a long way to really knocking up the vote, particularly in the south. He may not have made a big electoral difference, but he definitely helped with the popular numbers.

p.s. - Matthews lost the war. Spit-balls for everyone!

#113 Cousin Dave:

"Structured riot"... Charles, I think we've got a winner! This one needs to be added to the random header list.

That one had me holding on to the chair, in order to avoid falling off due to racking spasms of laughter!

A last one from Metafilter, showing an uncommon mastery of the English language:

Fuckity fuck fuck.

Thanks a lot, homophobic backwards selfish idiotic warmongering busybody bible-thumping asshole hicks of America, for pissing all over the principles the country was actually founded on. You know, that little "freedom" thing.

#100 Enginerd

Ya know, I have about had it with the elite northeast degrading the South!

This one, however, did make me laugh. Bob Beckell said last night on MSNBC that "now that slavery is abolished, perhaps we should let the South leave the Union."

Maybe there should be a "Mood at Work" topic? I live in the Bay Area, CA and work at a high-tech firm. So far this is the most memorable exchance from several of my coworkers:

Coworker 1: Morning CW2, how's it going?
Coworker 2: Well, it's interesting, it was a life-changing night.
Coworker 1: How so?
Coworker 2: Well, I've never missed a vote, but that was my last. F!@# the American people, just f!@# the American people.
Coworker 1: Well, they always say people get the government they deserve.
Coworkder 2: Yes, and cowards ALWAYS get what they deserve.

Let me just say that I'm not going to miss today's lunch-time conversation...

Here's a classic from one of the neurosurgeons at kos:

Protest March (none / 0)

This is a call to action.. A mass protest on Inauguration Day...in Washington DC.. for all the disenfranchised voters.. that would be 48% of us.. Start from the Lincoln Memorial. I am NOT KIDDING. Will be the start of we are not taking this Laying Down. Pass it On!!!

Something tells me that this genius doesn't know what "disfranchised" means ...

all aboard for Spain

( because canada is going to be too full )

/captured from Fark.com

Mr Pol, I know I'm going to laugh about that one for a long time.

WriterMom (#124)

Maybe we should take up a Liberal Lunatic Latte (LLL) fund so they can go debrief at Starbucks?

Let them drink instant.

Has dan rather surrendered Ohio yet? LMAO. The poor guy was so brave holding out hope for so long.

Then the coward kerry doesn't have the stones to address his crowd last night and send out edwards in his place. Classic.

Hey Michael Moore... Thanks for strenghthening our resolve.

They believe there is WoMD in Iraq. They are simple people. They are not analytical...

Chris Matthews, I mean this sincerely, from the bottom of my simple heart... GO F*UCK YOURSELF! You irrational, imperious pseudo-intellectual rat fink socialist bag of flatulating vitriol! How dare you?! Move to Canada and sell your song to them.

The best LLL comment I heard today (on radio) was from an opponent of the gay marriage ban in Oregon (which passed). She said that the vote was so close that you "could not" call it a mandate. Let's see, 11 states pass bans on gay marriage, including wacko Oregon, and because doesn't pass it OVERWHELMINGLY in their crazy state it is not a mandate?

Can you say "Delusional"?

#136

Make that "Beckel"

Not responsible for spelling or typos when it has been 40 hours since I last slept ;)

from quote posted in #93

this is the birth of the american terrorist. we will now fight back. by all means necessary...

This is what REALLY scares me. These idiots think that now they have to fight...And I work on a college campus, where I GUARENTEE there are people that think like this.

So what is this guy actually saying here, does he even know?? Is he advocating violence against he government?? Or advocating violence against conservatives?? Or just random anarchy style violence??

Will the hard core left now adopt the techniques of Hamas, and become terrorists?? Seems to be what this guy is saying, very scary.

From the The Daily Poetry Movement section of the Portland, Ore Indymedia site:

You are educated. You know that it doesn't matter. But you want to make it matter to them as much as they wanted to make it matter to you, ya dig? You knew that they were going to steal the election again. You know that the election was decided somewhere in a back room then scripted by corpy media. How sad they will be when they lose. We will rise up! Bush lost because of the war. He hid it. Despotic evil ruler!

Ya dig?

European Seething Alert!

Hee hee:

Some European leaders expressed hope that Bush would reach out to the continent in his second term. But others gloomily forecast no major tack in White House policy and continued trans-Atlantic bickering.

55

Dr. Sanity

Choice quotes indeed

Sacrifice, You Hypocrites!
From Alton Raines
11-3-4

Every single blessed idiot that voted for George Bush that has a young male between the age of 18 and 25 needs to march him down to the Army, Navy, Marine or Air Force recruitment office AT ONCE! If you're going to support George Bush sending America's children to die for Israel and the profitability of the Military Industrial Complex, you need to show it with your sacrificial offering and not just sit back and let the "other" guys kid who joined the Army or the Guard to get an education be the only one in a body bag, or missing a limb or suffering from DU exposure. Show your patriotism with real sacrifice! George is perfectly willing to ship 'em off in droves. He's having to scrape the bottom of the barrel now, re-calling fifty and sixty year old Army personnel back into action, as well as sending mother's of newborns. You voted for this warlord, so ante up! Haven't you heard? We're in a "war on terror"!!! There's blood to be spilled and nations to be conquered in the name of "democracy"! It's a glorious Crusade, approved by no less than Almighty God Himself! As George said, "it's hard work."

I hope you're ready to do your part to keep America safe from whatever new boogieman 'W' and his NeoCon cronies decide is "the" next bad guy. Sure, it won't matter that he sends your kid over there looking for weapons of mass destruction -- that we know are there because we SOLD them to them -- and then they change their reason. You didn't care about that, anyway, you blew it off... you accepted the scenario switch... as long as it was someone ELSES kid getting his legs blown off for Haliburton Inc.,.. it was JUSTIFIED. And you convinced yourself it was because George had a heart, nay, a BURDEN for the poor Iraqi people, to be their Moses, to set them free. Ok, you've proven to the world you're a fucking fool. Now follow through and don't hold back! In fact, maybe YOU should GET YOUR ASS OVER THERE, eh? You want to see 'Democracy' flourish so bad, YOU sign up and sacrifice yourself for it. 'W' is calling you!

From the Guardian

Pressed into place
The weakness of Bush as a candidate and the antipathy from the traditional US media made the result close. Bush was saved by the vibrancy and diversity of the internet, talk radio and cable news, writes US blogger Glenn Reynolds.

From Fark:

!! Attention - Angry American Socialists - Attention !!

The government of France, a Socialist Welfare State, will welcome you if you can meet the following conditions:

Only wealthy Caucasians of the Christian faith are desirable, as we have a growing Muslim population that needs to be balanced.

Please be prepared to pay 50% taxes.

Please be prepared to deal with an unemployment rate approaching 10%.

Please, no Jews.

Merci beaucoup,

Jacques Chirac

Headline of [Link: www.boston.com...] (Boston Globe)

Kerry concedes
Bush expected to declare victory; Ohio not yet called

#135 Mr. Pol

ROFLMAO!!!

From aidemydni:

Voters from around the country have reported on their experiences at the polls. The League of Pissed Off Voters, a network doing national voter-organizing out of New York City, compiled a preliminary list of reports of voting irregularities in New Orleans, LA; St. Petersburg, FL; Toledo, OH; Columbus, OH; Beloit, WI; and Milwuakee, WI. Other reported voting problems posted to IMCs include Felton, CA; Nashville, TN; Michigan and Ohio; Portland, OR; Boston, MA; Pittsburgh, PA; Florida and Pennsylvania; St. Louis, MO; Tulsa, OK; Manhattan, NY; Urbana, IL; Brooklyn, NY; and elsewhere.

No matter what the outcome of the sElections may be, protests have been organized throughout the US. A nationwide Beyond Voting movement, sponsored by a broad coalition of anti-war/anti-empire/global justice organizations, is planning for street demonstrations in over 30 cities TODAY (Wednesday, Nov. 3), the day after the election, saying "No matter who wins, the world needs to hear that the people of the U.S. demand fundamental social, economic, and political change." In addition to protests, a World Party has been called for in cities all over the the US, and throughout the world.

I'm really getting tired of the MSM all morning referring to the Bush landslide as a razor-thin win or a 'cliffhanger'. It is historic proportions, a clear mandate.

I dont know what part of this is the funniest -
you tell me - excerpted from the CBS news site -

(CBS/AP) France, Germany and the other European countries President Bush alienated during his first four years promised Wednesday to work with the new U.S. administration.

What's that smell?? Sour grapes??

In Europe, governments said that the election was a chance to repair ties strained by Mr. Bush's decision to go to war despite opposition from European powers such as France and Germany.

Oh that's right, France and Germany good - USA bad, I keep forgetting that! The crap continues...

Observers credited Mr. Bush's success to Americans' fears of more terrorist attacks and signs the economy may be improving, but noted it was a very close race.

"It is an incumbent president in a situation where a great part of the nation experiences that it is in a war with terrorism and the economy is moving in the right direction," said Sweden's Prime Minister Goeran Persson. "These two issues together should have given Bush a clear victory. Despite this, it was very narrow. This shows that the U.S. is divided."

SO in other words Bush won - but WE KNOW he really lost. IS that the Stokholm syndrome???

This however is my fav...

"This is a catastrophe for the rest of the world," said Syafii Maarif, chairman of Muhammadiyah, a mainstream Muslim group in Indonesia, the world's most populous Islamic country. "We have already seen that Bush has made a mess of the world over the last four years."

A salam a lakim my man...

the entire article is http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/02/politics /main652980.shtml

I don't want to go to the remote office, today. The percentage of moonbats down there is so substantial, that I'd probably trip over all of the deceased union-rep'ed public employees -- and break a leg.

All I want to say right now:

FUCK YOU DEMONRATS, up your asses with a ressurection,you deserved a royal electoral screwing!!!

Kerry's consolation prize

yo--p. diddy--wha hoppened to da youf vote from da hip hop community--ha ha bling bling playa

"If you believe, as I do, that America's best days are ahead of us, then join me tomorrow and change the direction of America."
--John Kerry

Uhh... I'd say we do believe in America, and the day after Novermber 2nd, 2004, is the beginning of her best days.
:)

Oh so many to choose from, I saw a few "get out and fight" (meaning literally) posts on the DU last night. I want to sift through the entire board but it's overloaded with traffic right now.

The Democratic Underground site is not "overloaded with traffic" -- they have intentionally blocked public access to hide the uncontrollable lunacy that ensued upon GWB's victory.
 

#146 brianstien
I am waiting for that city to completely implode. They are a bunch of FOOLS. Thank god I don't live there... just get their LL news. They keep in office all the people (D) who have fucked up their state.

On the local news last night (a liberal channel) they went to the Democratic election party (in Minnesota) and interviewed some Canadians who came down to campaign for Kerry. The news guy fawned all over them, saying how "international" the event was (apparently there were more foriegners for Kerry there).
The people are clueless. We have a US election and they are sooo happy that foriegners are coming here to try to influence it.

OK, I just dropped in on Air Amerika (doubling their ratings in the process) and learned from Al Franken:

We all voted against our own economic interests.

We have a "fantasy" vision of America where people can get rich (echoing Springsteen's stump speech: strum strum...America isn't always right...strum...that's a fairy tale we tell to children.)

We fell for W.'s outright lies. We were deceived (e.g., Kerry proposed a "global test").

"I want to vomit." - Al Franken

OT:How about a thread later on, after the dust has settled, for one or two line quotes from CNN, CBS, NYT, LA Times, WAPO, et all? I would love to see UK Guardian, Independant, Al Jazeer, Palios, France, Germany, EU, and anyone else who tried to influence the election.

Thank you all LGFERS, CHARLES ESPECIALLY.

Thanks to OBL, your timing was perfect.

Dr. Sanity

How come I've never visted Rense before. That site is the swingiest moonbattiest site ever...

This one, while not election related, seems to justify suicide bombings against Israeli taxpayers

Confirmed and confessed, B. Michael
Yediot Aharonot
October, 2004

(This article was translated from Hebrew by The Other Israel)

Between Sept 29 and Oct 15, fifteen days in all, I killed thirty children. Two children per day.

Two dead children per day is more or less four bereaved parents per day. Why more or less? Because some of them were brothers. So, two dead children for one pair of bereaved parents. Perhaps that's better, because these parents are bereaved anyway, so they are just bereaved twice, and another pair of parents is released from being bereaved. But perhaps it is less good, because to be bereaved is worse than being dead, and being twice bereaved is twice worse than being dead. So I don't really know what to decide.

All these children I killed in the Gaza Strip, and all of them I killed by mistake. That is, I knew that there were children there, and I knew I would kill some of them, but since I knew it would be by mistake I did not feel so pressured about it. Because everybody makes mistakes. Only the one who does nothing does not make mistakes. Mistakes happen, we are all human beings. That is what I think is so nice about my mistakes, they make me so human and fallible, is it not so?

The 30 children I killed by all kind of mistakes. Each child with his special mistake. There was one about whom I thought by mistake that he was not a child. And there was one which I hit because he insisted on standing exactly on the spot at which I decided to shoot. And there was one who threw stones and did not at all look six years old. And there was one who from the air looked like a wanted terrorist. Or like a Qassam rocket. Or like a terrorist holding a Qassam rocket. And there were some children who by mistake got into their heads some of the shrapnel from the shell I shot into their house. And there was one who by mistake hid under her bed exactly when I blew up the bed in order to expel the terrorist squad which was hiding there. But this does not count, it was her mistake, not mine.

I remember it was the most hard with my first mistake. I shot and shot and shot, then they told me I had killed a child. I became pale, and my mouth was dry, and my knees were shaking, and in general I did not sleep very well that night. But with the passing of time, and of mistakes, it became much easier. Now I make mistakes with hardly any side-effects. It was very helpful that my friends, my environment, everybody, did not make so much fuss over every small mistake.

Here, just last week, when I killed by mistake one girl, I shot two more mistakes into her head, just to make sure that I was making a mistake. And then the rest of my magazine, full of mistakes. Once, I would not have been able to do that.

True, some people tell me that I am making a mistake in making this confession. They tell I have not been in Gaza at all, and did not shoot any bullet, and did not bomb, and did not shell, and did not snipe. That's true, I did not. But who paid for the bullets? Me. And who bought the gun? And financed the shell? And the missile? Me. Me. Me. Also me.

And also, who is not growing pale any more with every new mistake? Whose mouth is not getting dry when one more child is laid in the earth? Whose knees do not grow weak when another nameless baby lies dead in a bloody cradle? Who goes on sleeping soundly even when the number of mistakes reaches thirty in two weeks? Me. Also me. So, don't tell me I didn't kill.

Another brilliant analysis from the ever-insightful morons at kos:

Prediction: BushCo will soon regulate the internet and they will try to supress this bastion of free speech, e scared them too much now, they know we are here, in fact I think Kos has been infiltrated by FED's ala the peace group in Michael Moore

LMBO!! After Ra^thergate, I'm sure Bush loves the internet.

"What happened to the brave Republican Guard?"

oh, sorry; i mixed up my disbelieving-supporter-of-defeated-entity quote

Breaking news, this time from Seattle Indymedia:

CALL TO ACTION Nov 3rd 3 - 5 pm: No More Stolen Elections

author: Laury Kenton
Nov 03, 2004 08:12

November 3rd, 3 - 5 pm
Seattle Federal Building

Bush declares victory while the votes are still being counted.

No more stolen elections!
The war is still raging,
The economy is still in tatters.
There is No Justice, No Peace.

Listen to this!

The main National Radio station of the Netherlands is currently discussing the following issue. They are calling pundits, experts and regular folk all over their country to find an answer to the following question:

(My Translation)

The Americans are still counting votes. Perhaps we can lend America a hand by allowing the rest of the world to vote on the US elections as well. On [Link: www.theworldvotes.org...] the whole world has been allowed to voice its opinion. Why shouldn't we be allowed to vote who gets to be the most powerful man in the world?

Only 86% of respondents so far say that only Americans should be able to vote for their president. Hmmm.

I tell you, the world is gong mad! Mad!

My favorite moonbat quotation is the one that was constantly repeated to me ad nauseum by the people where I live: "America deserved what it got on 9/11"

Well, now. Somebody's going to get what they deserve now and it ain't gonna be America!

This Indymedia comment was posted in 'The Corner' yesterday.

Re: There better be some riots tonight ... I can't believe Bush won. Where did we go wrong?

Personally, I played my bongos at many rallies to defeat Bush. I had some phat beats going sometimes for hours, I really gave it my all.

How could this happen?

And from "her highness of anal sex inside The Beltway"

Wonkette writes

• Reliable Source: Director, Rock the Vote: "Nobody wants to throw a party for a bunch of losers.". . . Turn your "Kerry Edwards/A Stronger America/JohnKerry.com" bumper sticker into "darK dry sEwer/Error Gets a Maniac/hornyJerK.com."

well Mikey just got another Oscar ... but who cares when they basically shut out Saving Pvt Ryan for Best Pic because it was a "war movie". I stopped watchin the lefty parade when that happened.

Id rather have control of the world than a win a forgettable award.

REDSHIRTS RULE!

An email I just received from a liberal, uh, buddy...

"As you all know, the unthinkable happened. The evil imbecile, the man who has been a disgrace to the noble office of the presidency has won the office he stole four years ago.

I had expected more of America. But I underestimated the now obvious fact that the majority of Americans are rubes, gun nuts, religious wackos, haters - and sheep ready for the slaughter.

It's only a matter of time now that the busher will appoint justices to the supreme court - then, ladies, your right to choose is in deadly
peril. It's only a matter of time before our pristine wildernesses give
way to the bulldozers. It's only a matter of time that our right to privacy gives way to Ashcroft and his fellow fascists. It's only a matter of time before our nation is bankrupt - sickening even more when you consider when the country was turned over to the busher, we had a nicely balanced budget and a huge surplus.

Of course we will continue on our path as the most hated, mistrusted nation (we don't honor treaties) in the world. Isolated in our total
arrogance. And the imbecile who dictates all that policy can't even
form two coherent sentences back-to-back.

Of course, the idiotic, useless Iraqi war will continue for years. If we were allowed to see them, the flag draped coffins will be coming back in
droves, tragically wasted lives. Mission Accomplished indeed. Osama
is still out there. Are we safer? Are you kidding?

My grandson, Alex, is fourteen. Once the busher reinstates the draft
(which is already in defacto effect), he will be in jeopardy of going over to the ongoing Iraqi debacle. I will not let him waste his life on the busher's folly. He will be very happy in Canada.

This nation is divided like never before. Thanks to the arrogance of the busher. If you voted for him, I will take no comfort in your ultimate
remorse, which will happen.

Somewhere Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Lincoln, the Roosevelts, Truman - all the others who did honor to the office - somewhere, they have to be weeping. Look how far we have sunk.

I was born in Canada as many of you know. I only wish I could go back to the country that gives a damn about its citizens, not just the special
interests and the obscenely rich. I cannot, and never will,
acknowledge the busher as "my president." He isn't. He doesn't represent me - or half the nation for that matter.

I can almost hear the sounds of the jackboots now.

This is my last political missive. Hopes for a bright and exciting future are dashed. I am no longer listening to talk radio, news, or engaging in political discourse. As a gentleman once put it, "How can the two of us have an intelligent discussion when one of us is stupid?"
And I ain't the stupid one. So gloat away, neocons - your triumph is
hollow, and you will wonder what on earth you were thinking of. Shame.
Suckers.

Sore loser? You bet. But the nation is the greatest loser. And every time that smirking little bastard appears on my t.v., or I hear that weasely little voice, I won't be able to get to the remote fast enough.

Screw it. I'm going to go read the sports section and the comics.

God bless America. God help Americans."

I responded with this

Check out this one from DU. It sounds exactly like something written by Jim Treacher.

#133 dazoid81

I agree. I was very offended when the media tried to right him off an unnecessarily angry man who would scare voters, especially women, away. God forbid one gets angry for having +3000 of our citizens murdered. Sen. Miller did not speak to me, he spoke for me.

Front page of the Palestine News Agency. There's NOTHING about the election!

I didn't vote for Bush for lots of reasons. But it seems to me that maybe the result, much as it was not what I wanted, will be good for the country. Andrew Sullivan.

How could Bush not win when this American public ... comprises good people who are unfortunately deeply afflicted with deep ignorance of world geography and world affairs, and can thus be easily manipulated by any devious leader (or any ignorant leader) who is bent on staying in office no matter what? The Angry Ahab. (If you want to visit the site you must replace the h in ahab with an r in the URL.)

(Glad to see you're being politically correct Charles.)

We are suckling at the teat of the internet and we need to start setting up real meetings where we can discuss this shit in person.

We have a winner!

Here is a post on DU:

"They are the Taliban and we have to show people that is the case."

We just spent the last year and a half trying to do just that. Then last night we found out the Taliban ARE the people. Bush and co. were usually open in their barbaric, discriminatory beliefs - and the people DID see and LIKED what they saw

There is nothing more to show the people. They want fundamentalism.

The flood of neurotransmitters in the moonbat's collective brain must be interfering with rational thought. But then again Bush is Hitler.

Personally, I played my bongos at many rallies to defeat Bush. I had some phat beats going sometimes for hours, I really gave it my all.

Ha ha. I wrote here yesterday that I was dissapointed with the poor turnout of protestors at the Bush rally last Saturday. Even drummerguy wasn't there. Apparently he didn't quite give it his all.

#55, #148

suffering from DU exposure

Bwahahaha! Yes the other side suffers from exposure to Democratic Underground, and Michael Moore. (I know it means "Depleted Uranium". That was another big scare that turned out to be harmless.)

Here's a funny one from SF craigslist:

As an american Citizen I am bound by no law created by or under the administration of Bush or Kerry. Both are members of Skull and Bones and cannot represent American people. This election is fraudulent. I demand the arrest of George W Bush and all his friends who perpetrated 911. 911 - inside job.

This is a great idea for a thread. But what I want to see is another thread which is a collection of all the "I'm going to leave this country" threats, complete with names, and e-mail addresses. Then we, as readers, can follow up on a regular basis with these people to find out if they've moved yet, and offer our help.

Gee, maybe life under Bush ain't so bad after all, even for a liberal!

Rush is reading excerpts and playing audio clips of the LLL meltdown.

LOL great!

# 82 "lets not pay taxes" - oh yes PLEASE do that! You have no clue how sympathetic the IRS will be to your cause!

A nice little quote from al-Reuters from a cute, cuddly little group called 'Hamas' who are 'fighting Israel':

World comes to terms with Bush win

Sami Abu Zuhri, of the Palestinian group Hamas which is fighting Israel, said: "We urge the new American administration to reconsider its positions ... Until they (do so) we will continue to regard the U.S. administration as hostile to our Arab and Muslim causes."

Some choice comments from the BBC News site:

The voice of America indeed - but which America? How so many people voted for Bush is mind-boggling. An absolute disaster. This is a tragic day for our planet and for all of us, wherever we live.
Raymond Perrez, Toulouse, France

If Bush wins, as it seems now, we will have more problems. For the world it's a sad day. The conflicts with Europe will widen. And the hatred against the US will also widen. Just hope for 2008 and Hillary Clinton.
Peter, Gothenburg, Sweden

It is "almost" unbelievable that the American people have once again chosen to allow Bush control of power for another four years. I feel as though they have turned their back on the international community, that they have forgotten that the world is small place, where America's actions affect us all.
Jennifer, Canadian living in Munich, Germany

I am not a US voter but my wife is. It is unbelievable how many Americans voted for Bush again regardless their experiences from the last 4 years. If Bush wins again that is bad news for the rest of the world.
Christoph Thuemmler, Edinburgh, Scotland
I just woke up to find Bush in the lead. I feel physically sick. I wish I could go back to bed and get up in another four years.
Sarah, Brussels

Well it looks like we have to put up with another four years of Bush. I think that in a country like America, it was naive to believe that Bush would lose elections. I think most Americans approve of the arrogance that Bush portrays to the world. Today, I wish Soviet Union never disintegrated and there would have been some balance still in this world.
Let's hope Bush learns from the mistakes made in the first term and we get a more peaceful and balanced world in the next four years. Maybe just like Reagan, Bush would be less radical in the next term. What's funny, except for America, Kerry would certainly have won an election anywhere else in the world.
HA Qureshi, Islamabad, Pakistan

#162 Splatter

I'm from Tacoma, a stone's throw from Seattle. It's probably a toss up as to which is worse - Portland or Seattle.

I had expected more of America. But I underestimated the now obvious fact that the majority of Americans are rubes, gun nuts, religious wackos, haters - and sheep ready for the slaughter.

I truely believe that the left has become the new KKK. I got an email last Friday from a former co-worker saying how he hates the "Bible thumpers" and hopes Bush goes down hard.

Anti-Christian bigotry may play well in Vermont, NY and California, but won't help the Dems in the big patch of red in between.

From one Johnson to another ...

THANK YOU CHARLES ...

"Johnson, for those out of the loop, has probably done more to disseminate hate for liberals, Europeans, the United Nations, Palestinians, Muslims and Hollywood than any other big name blogger."

I love spreading "hate for liberals", "Europeans", "Muslims", "Hollywood", "Palestinians" but most especially ... THE UNITED NATIONS ...

Thank you again Charles

Long live LGF!!!

Anybody have any idea which companies are advertising on NBC News, would like to avoid buying from them,
One of the simple people!

#51 busysignal, Susan Estbitch had to get back to her coffin before daylight...

In the words of The Great One...How sweet it is!!!

Now of course we get to watch them scratch their heads, deflect blame, conceive conspiracies, and exhibit other irrational manifestations...

Basically, lefties, you misjudged the american people. We are not like you. We actually have morals. Values are important to us.

And we can see through the phoniness of Kerry/edwards.

George Bush is real...

Oh I'm so happy!!!

#9,

I confess.

I got out my Aleister Crowley Books ("Magick in Theory and Practice" is especially good) and did a Master Banishing Ritual.

It works every time.

The SOBs don't stand a chance against a Magician from the Ascended Bastard School of Magick.

Four More Years MoFos.

LMAOROTFL - (its a magic spell)

Har.

#184

a collection of all the "I'm going to leave this country" threats, complete with names, and e-mail addresses. Then we, as readers, can follow up on a regular basis with these people to find out if they've moved yet, and offer our help.

Great idea. I get free long distance on my new VoIP home phone system... I can start calling to keep them accountable and start making travel arrangements now for these cooks to leave.

LEAVE!

Kerry would certainly have won an election anywhere else in the world.

And that is EXACTLY why he didnt win here...some people will never get it.

From DailyKos:

"WTF?! What happened to every vote counts and every vote will be counted?! WTF? Joh is abandoning the fight? I know we will survive, but still I feel vulnerable and abandoned!!! We worked so hard for him. He talked about every vote counting and now he's conceding without every ballot being counted?"

LOL

Johnson, for those out of the loop, has probably done more to disseminate hate for liberals, Europeans, the United Nations, Palestinians, Muslims and Hollywood than any other big name blogger.

I feel Charles should be truly flattered by that comment!
At least he knows he got to them and but good! lol

It seems Charles will now be blamed for swinging the election in Bushs favour!

;-)

some punk college kids: "I dont get it."

"i'm scurred for what lies ahead for our country in the next 4 years..."

Sorry kids.

Oh, yes, yummy schadenfreude! Tastes like chicken!

Moonbat commentary plus celebratory music:

Now he is conceeding at 2:00 - what gives - the man is just one large flip flop

At a retirement dinner Monday night a LLL colleague asked me: "If you were American you'd vote for Kerry, right?"

My response: "Yep, right after I finished french kissing Michael Moore."

She wasn't amused.

Well like was said before, if the LLL wants to riot, let them. It will only prove their lack of worth to decide the future of this country...

And it might prove the worth of the 2nd amendment.

Don't riot in my neighborhood, I spent last night reloading 100rds for my .357Mag instead of watching the election returns.

They are some hot reloads and I really would NOT want to use them on people. Deer yes, rioters only if needed.

Kerry would certainly have won an election anywhere else in the world.

Priceless!

LOL

Just cant describe how happy I am today, but you know what? I could have rubbed it in the faces of the LLL's at work, but did not.

I wonder if Kerry had won, they would have done the same for me...

My wife switched on the TV this morning and as I was leaving for work a got a glimpse of Katic Couric. Talk about a long face - it looked like she just ate a salt sandwich. Listening to talk radio going in, it sounded like all of the MSM talking heads were despondent. O'Reilly said that Judy Woodruff looked like she was going to cry when she announced that Florida went to Bush. Rush said that late in the evening the constant refrain from the MSM was "Poor Kerry, he's going to have to count provisionals in Ohio", when in fact, other battleground states that were called for Kerry were much closer, and one could argue that Bush should count the provisionals there.

How anyone can argue that the MSM wasn't four square behind Kerry is beyond me.

OT, but important, and perhaps deserving of its own thread:

Relgion of peace murders a filmmaker.

"It's not that I would have done one thing differently in regards to Iraq, I would have done everything differently."

#26 kimberly

That was a long one but definitely worth the read. What a load of...wait a minute, I was going to vote for Kerry and I did change my mind.

Woooeeeooo!

Another hour for Kerry to come out and say, "Not reporting for duty."

Ah come on! I need sleep.

Anybody know of a live streaming feed of the concession?

Some favorites from the Guardian responses to Makros' rant a few threads back:

***
Let's kill off all of these rightwing loonies and their offspring! Oh, wait we need slave labour. After all, we need white trash to give us a competitive advantage for our manufacturing sector! Conservative Aushwitz anyone?
Perhaps I will get really lucky here and half of the republican population of Indiana will get killed because they are nothing but KKK remnants and German american WW2 sympathizers, whom somehow get unemployment and welfare.
***
So many of us awoke this morning to find ourselves, along with half the country, believing that we are now living in a fascist state. How did this happen here, of all places? It is the religious right and money, money, money. Fear and the exploitation of fear. Now I am afraid, very afraid. Will Bush start persecuting people for their beliefs, above and beyond the patriot act? Will their be interment camps for dissenters? All of this is possible. Those of us acquainted with history know that it's happened before and it can always happen again.
***
How do you fight against a machine that decides you voted for someone else--and you don't know?
***

The republican fascists have won an illegal election.
If the majority of the people are Stupid, the election is null and the people require education.
[Note by Yankev: Presumably by force, ala the USSR, the Cultural Revolution and the progressive Khmer Rouge?]

***
Hitler "held his nose and entered the Reichstag". That Bush was/maybe elected in a vaguely democratic fashion is not the point. That American citizens can have their human rights suspended on a wim is.

***
Its Nazi history all over again these CATO-Rove-Bush quizlings has followed the script of Hitler and his fascist gang and taken America the most powerful nation in history It seems that using the scripts of successes as “Wag The Dog” and that of real history as “The Rise and Fall of The third Reich” has ended in the fall of the American Dream. If Americans cannot see the seriousness in this, the “Terrorist Acts” its Leaders mechanisms for human purring and ethnic cleansing are not too far behind.
***
it's funny that the reasoned debate from the left, and the mud-slinging comes from the gun-toting right.

Q - It already has its own thread but it's been buried under the election coverage.

OT

This WaPo analysis is a clear demonstration that the MSM never ever intends to change. Please note the pathetic repetition of their blueprint talking points in disprespect to those who support our President, and the way they treat his reelection as some sort of bizarre freak show by a well-trained monkey:

How Did He Do It?

It is time to redouble the pressure on the MSM. They need to either jump down from the LLL bandwagon or get out of the business of calling their propaganda news.

Sadly, I'm afraid that won't happen until about everyone over the age of 30 that works in the MSM grows old and dies...

I just wish I could scream "STOP IT!" to them just once in a while.

#175 Joel2

Joel, don't you have a bet going with this email friend of yours? Refresh my memory. Are you going to collect?

O/T
I just wanted everyone to know how thrilled i am that president Bush was reelected and one other delightful thing for me personally was my nephew (Nick Hacker) being elected to the state senate in North Dakota. He is a senior at the University of North Dakota in Grand Forks and they told him, he is the youngest senator to ever be elected in the state of North Dakota at the young age of 22. He beat the Democratic incumbant that had been in office for over 20 years! Who said the Democrats had all the young college supporter's?? Alot of Nick's supporters were the college age kids that didn't agree with the Michael Moores and P.Dittlity's(sic) of this world! All you die hard Republicans please give Nick a e-mail at hacker_n27@hotmail.com and congratulate him. Thanks

PIMF. Let's try that again:

KPFA Moonbat News

First post ever! Greetings lizardoids!
I came across some choice quotes from Ain't It Cool News (used to be a good place to talk about movies; now a haven for leftist hellspawn)

From Little Lebowski -

The only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner, jackholes. See you at the nuclear winter snowball fight.

From gg -

The majority of US citizens backs genocide of 100.000+ civilians in Iraq. The majority of US citizens don't mind that bin Laden, murderer of 3000 of their fellow americans, hasn't been caught, even though Bush promised, 3 years ago(!!!) that the people(excuse me, "Folks") behind 911 would be brought to justice. The majority don't mind that the man supposedly being the best protector of the homeland by being tough on terrorism, let 300 kilos [sic] of explosives disappear in Iraq. Etc, etc, etc. I think it's fair to say that the majority of US citizens are f***ing retards.

Also, someone named 69Dude calls for the assassination of the president, a quote which I will not reprint here.

I would like to quote myself from a posting I made SIX months ago:

#33  zombie  5/30/2004 10:44PM PST

I am going to laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh when Bush wins this election -- which he will win, easily. All these people -- from Zinni to the streets of San Francisco to the mosques of Najaf -- think their dogpile on Bush is having some effect, a great mass uprising to throw the "neocons" out of office. Ha! That Wednesday morning in November will be a glorious thing, as America -- nay, the world -- will be littered with shattered psyches, lives suddenly devoid of meaning and purpose, an entire pseudo-revolutionary movement emptied, defeated, finished.

zombie, I couldn't have said it better!

An embarassment of riches:

Front page of Salon

mr disenfranchisement--welcome to the party!

I hope the Demonrats come to the proper conclusion

1) The NeoCon controlled media like CBS and CNN did not do enough to expose George Bush's Hitlerian tendencies

2) Kerry didn't win because he didn't give the voters enough of a real choice. In an election between the Republican (Bush) and the Republican Lite (Kerry) they chose the Republican

3) The only hope the Democrats have is to reach out to all the people who have been oppressed by Bush and his corporate cronies. Hillary Clinton may not be liberal enough. At the very least, if Markos Zuniga is Constitutionally qualified, she should balance the ticket with him as Vice President. Cynthia McKinney would be another excellent choice

#9

I haven't seen this for myself...but on another blog, someone reported that the LiveJournal pagan forums were abuzz with the theory that Bush stole the election by hiring a bunch of practitioners of high magic!

Hey Kimberly,

They may be right. They're called praying Christians.

mk

zombie's comment had me crying too:

It will be three years from now and Dan Rather will come on the air every night saying, "Ohio is still too close to call, folks. It's a nail-biter. And that's the news this Thursday, April 17, 2007."

Spiritualized (#215):

Found it, thanks.

Profile:
Subject: Will oil hit $75 by Christmas?
From: MyPetGoat
Date: Nov 3 2004 10:07AM

Now that the Republicans have said a mandate was passed by this election and they control all houses, when everything turns to shit, like it is apt to do when you are fighting a poorly planned and managed war, you guys won't be able to blame Clinton anymore. What is $75 a barrel going to do to our economy and how is Bush the divider going to be able to get other nations to supply us with oil without gouging us for it? Even Norway is getting in on the action and if you think those terrorists in Saudi Arabia are going to try and help, you are deluded. How many people will freeze to death this year because heating oil will triple?
I say it is looking great for a turnover in 2006 when the $600 billion Medicare bill comes due and we are living with $100 a barrel oil costs.


hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

#221 zombie

My hat is off to you, sir. You nailed today's feeling perfectly six months ago!

Bravo!

Oh, I'm lauging at loud at raving barking moonbats. I WILL GLOAT, sorry Dubya, but I WILL GLOAT!!!

Newsnote: Downtown Seattle (near Amtrak) is quiet for a weekday. Not as much foot traffic on the street as I'd normally see.

hmmm... the store downstairs was out of kool-aid this morning. I wonder why?

Isn't their so much more humor and happiness in the conservative party. HAHA! Those fuckin' miserable lefties...this is one of the best threads Charles has had - thanks Smug Monkey

-the pseudobohemian intellectual, kerouac meets calvin klein, distraught woman screaming

Hey, don't downgrade Kerouac. I knew Jack, and he was as conservative as you and I. Maybe more.

#26 Kimberly

Oh my.

That has to be one of the scariest things I've ever read. Really.
This person is, even as we speak, walking around free, believing that her thoughts are not her own.
In my book, that's Schizophrenia.
I'll have to use my High MagicTM and suggest to her she needs help.

Speaking of books, is there anyone else that posts here that has studied the Rise of the Third Reich and how it was allowed to happen?
You know that "Those who don't remember history are condemned to repeat it" quote? I've studied the Reigh somewhat so I could see it if it happened again.
I don't think it occured the way some people are suggesting, and besides, I'm not seeing any of the things that mb's are saying are happening, or I'd be locked up by now.

This is from a classmate of mine.

"Notice how all of the states that voted for bush are full of gun toting inbred idiots and the states that voted for Kerry were all the intelligent ivy league northeastern states"

That's right if you voted for bush you are an inbred gun toting idiot. That's funny I don't even own a gun.

Leftist American youth are much too indulged, self-absorbed and complacent to either vote or riot. They would rather just talk about it. Guess it's time to go back and sponge off your parents for awhile

Kerry, the Windbag Wuss of the Western World, is the epitome of all talk and no action. Time to go back and sponge off Mother Teresa for a while. Time to update your sporting wardrobe, clean your gun, pluck that goose...

Open letter to LLL from a proud Texan:
Shit or get off the pot. I, for one, am growing tired of your smack talking. If you're not going to 'riot', please find your mamma's tit to suck on for the next 4 years so I no longer have to hear you on my TV, radio, newspapers, Internet, etc. Let me enlighten you...I have a masters degree, can tell you to kiss my ass in a couple languages, and have a large library to contain all my books. I'm a lot of things but ignorant follower isn't one of them. I'm not a republican because I don't understand what's going on in the world. I'm a republican because the more I learn (and I do mean learn-in a scholarly way) about your party's positions, the more concerned I become for the health and vitality of our great nation.

#29 - Gumble

Thanks for the post. I STILL don't have the stomach to glance at the Toronto Star, let alone Zerbisias, although I realize that Antonia has no hate within that little head... Only her words are hateful...

I guess what she said about Charles covers most of the world - or at least her world.

Antonia - if you're there - take that addled head and do what Kerry did: give up.

Hey Kos...are you mentally retarded? Do you not understand that appealing to liberal base would be worse? There are so few of you psychos out there you jackass.

Scary thing is Kos reproduced...and you have to feel for his anger...have you seen HIS wife?

Tom Brokaw in his last presidential election before retirement had called Ohio for Bush. Hours later ...

3:50 a.m. Last Night on C_BS while Rather, was twisting and turning hoping somehow a Kerry win could be devolved out of Ohio,

It's getting really late. Now John Roberts the Canadian anchor-wannabe is starting to spout "Texanisms:" On possible outcomes in Ohio election: "It's like you say, Dan. You don't know whether to wind your watch or bark at the moon. Since it's after three and the kids are in bed, let me paint you a nightmare scenario."

Whoah... I guess I'm a rat, but here's an email from my cousin who's been forwarding us moveon.org stuff for the past three months. I took out any identifying stuff:

RAGE AT 1:11 AM New window
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I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!

I'M SOOO ANGRY, SAD, SHOCKED!!!
WHAT HAPPENED?

THERE GOES (her daughter's) ENVIROMENT!
THERE GOES MY DAUGHTERS FUTURE! THE PLANET IS FUCKED!
THERE GOES THE SUPREME COURT !
PATRIOT ACT... FORGET ABOUT OUR CIVIL
LIBERTIES--GONE!POLICE STATE HERE WE COME!
HELLO BIG BROTHER!
THEY'VE GOT THE KEY'S AND WE'RE SCREWED!
thrilling prospects eh?

these people actually believe this is the end of days.
so let's prepare the way for jesus by FUCKING
EVERYTHING UP!

AINT NO STOPPING THEM NOW.
WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE.
I HATE GEORGE BUSH & HIS CRONIES WITH EVERY ATOM OF MY
BEING MY BEING!---UH OH --ARE THE THOUGHT POLICE GOING
TO COME GET ME NOW?!

PLEASE LET ME WAKE UP AND KERRY HAVE SOME HOW WON
OHIO,AND THE ??? STATES!

SINCRERLY (name removed)

DataLounge has a thread dedicated to information on how to emigrate to other countries!

In addition, here are some of the more dramatic snippets:

We now are Imperial America. Forget the United part or even the States part, we are now a colonizing imperial power.

The Project for a New American Century is upon us. If you are female or a minority, be prepared to have your freedoms further curtailed.

Prepare for perpetual war.

Prepare for more global hate towards us.

Prepare for environmental disasters.

Prepare yourselves.

and this:

I'm from (and this will be the last time I EVER say so) Ohio. Live in Chicago now. Ohio is a shit hole of fucked up people, mall hair, and ignorance. The enitre state is populated by nutjobs, wingnuts, cornholers, and shitheads. A pox upon it. May it cease to exist and roll back into Lake Erie, the mire from whence it came. I for one rebuke that entire state. FIE on you, Ohio. Fie on you I cast.

and this:

I'm looking at the glass as half-full. The onus is now on President Bush to end his term in this Presidency with honesty and integrity...otherwise he will be branded in history as the worst ever President.

I'm betting on a major terrorist attack and an entrenching quagmire in Afghanistan and Iraq and I truly don't think Bush can make it all work.

Ahh, yes, the loyal opposition, looking at future terrorists attacks as a "glass half-full" scenario. Charming.

Clutching at straws. From the front page of the (UGH) Democratic Underground:

Bush is currently leading in Ohio by 136,221

If there are 250,000 provisional ballots outstanding. The highest number I've seen.

And 90% of those ballots are good, as they were in 2000. That leaves 225,000 votes.

If 85% of those ballots prove to be for Kerry, about the number that Gore got in 2000. That leaves us with 191,250, giving us a lead of 55,029.

If there are only 200,000 provisionals, following the same calculation would leave us with a lead of 16,779.

If the provisional ballots are only 175,000 that leaves us with a deficit of -2,346 that will leaves us in a position to get an automatic statewide recount.

Or, to put it another way, an automatic recount is triggered by a margin of 0.25% or between 13,000 and 16,000 votes

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/3/95349/1374

BWAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA

Suckers

FEEL THE THUNDER!

Rush mentioned that Bob Bekil (SP?) said that now that slavery is not an issue, the South should just cecede again and start their own country. I think the Blue states should just become part of Canada, since the Red states, including the South, are more like the America of the Constitution.

"Strong and wrong beats weak and right everytime." - some guest on FOX news

another:
okay, so i don't actually want to die, but i am about to vomit. and leave the country.

No schadenfreude. Can't gloat.

It isn't that I cannot gloat because I am too honorable, which I am, but because it is impossible to gloat when the election was about what is best for the country rather than just gaining power.

If you and I played a game of chess and I won, I could gloat because with the victory came the glory or a prize or bragging rights. A victory for me would be good for me and bad for you.

But the policies of the United States of America are not a game.

A GOP victory puts into action those policies which are better for all Americans, democrats and republicans alike.

If I didn't think that things like capitalism, democracy, and a strong defence were the best thing for everyone, not just in America but all over the world, I wouldn't be so strong a supporter of the right.

So I don't for a minute think that the millions of people who voted for Kerry lost.

No, they WON.

They just don't know it. They won despite their own efforts to hurt themselves.

It's 2000, and 9/11, and Iraq all over again.

--PeacePatriot on Kos

I am cast adrift, without a star to steer by. Woe is me. Woe and lamentations for democracy, for my country.

--semiot on Kos

They seem to be unaware of the fact that they're insane.

Posted by LIMAMA on Kos:

We failed to heed Osama's warning, and we will pay for it, I fear.

Holy shit, that is staggering. We should have listened to Osama?

From a New York-based web designer's list, where the rules disallow any discussion of politics (but never seem to be enforced when it's BDS politics):

I understand that it's pointless to give into hate, as Bush as done.

But I WON"T support the "president". EVER. It's one thing to unify, it's another thing to blatently disregard lies and the erosion of democracy.

The religious right are not people who are willing to budge an inch, to have discourse. The Bible is the answer for them.

But there are no concrete answers in this world, so while I will try my best to not let hate and fear erode my optimist to fight back, I WILL NOT support this President ever. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, the gloves are off, we have nothing to lose at this point after all.

Yup, you heard it right. Everyone that voted for Bush is a Bible-thumping savage, and it's wrong to take a strong stance on any subject. Unless the subject is how evil Bush is. LOL.

Some choice comments from the BBC News site:

The voice of America indeed - but which America? How so many people voted for Bush is mind-boggling. An absolute disaster. This is a tragic day for our planet and for all of us, wherever we live.
Raymond Perrez, Toulouse, France

If Bush wins, as it seems now, we will have more problems. For the world it's a sad day. The conflicts with Europe will widen. And the hatred against the US will also widen. Just hope for 2008 and Hillary Clinton.
Peter, Gothenburg, Sweden

It is "almost" unbelievable that the American people have once again chosen to allow Bush control of power for another four years. I feel as though they have turned their back on the international community, that they have forgotten that the world is small place, where America's actions affect us all.
Jennifer, Canadian living in Munich, Germany

I am not a US voter but my wife is. It is unbelievable how many Americans voted for Bush again regardless their experiences from the last 4 years. If Bush wins again that is bad news for the rest of the world.
Christoph Thuemmler, Edinburgh, Scotland
I just woke up to find Bush in the lead. I feel physically sick. I wish I could go back to bed and get up in another four years.
Sarah, Brussels

Well it looks like we have to put up with another four years of Bush. I think that in a country like America, it was naive to believe that Bush would lose elections. I think most Americans approve of the arrogance that Bush portrays to the world. Today, I wish Soviet Union never disintegrated and there would have been some balance still in this world.
Let's hope Bush learns from the mistakes made in the first term and we get a more peaceful and balanced world in the next four years. Maybe just like Reagan, Bush would be less radical in the next term. What's funny, except for America, Kerry would certainly have won an election anywhere else in the world.
HA Qureshi, Islamabad, Pakistan

#235 ch3cooh

I got that too. They are absolutely nuts today. During some of my, ummm, humble emails sent to some coworkers I got this back from a gal in Boston. (Harvard grad mind you)

I brought up that Bush has set a record for the Popular Vote - and she came back with -

hey, he only had the largest popular vote b/c the american population is the largest

Ummm, OK then.

ps - she is now leaving the country I think :-P

From the fever swamp of Atrios:

This is the Revenge of the Confederacy here folks. Don't for a second think they forgot about getting their butts kicked in 1865. The only thing the Union did wrong was not applying the scorched earth policy to the entire bunch of traitorous dogs of the Confederacy instead of a little strip on the way to Atlanta.

Now we look at the map and see the Reddest of the Red in the very place that tried to back out of the Union. Don't delude yourself into thinking its over guns or god or gays. If so, either you've never lived in the South or you never read your history. In strip malls all across the south, cups of bad coffee and stale donuts are being raised to herpetic lips in victory over the North. And they earned it. They're hicks, rednecks, racists, and more but they are NOT stupid. We are, for not cutting their nuts off before. Give it a few years more though, and they're gonna give us another chance at it. The fools have allied themselves with the wrong side and will suffer more than the rest of us. The rewards of their Victory will be more bitter than that bad coffee being sipped and the real-world economic pain worse than the scalding hot rim of that chipped coffee cup touching those herpes-sore covered lips of theirs.
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OMG, what homicidal rage!

Heres another.

Profile:
Subject: The worst Pres in our history has pulled it
From: jeaniebabe
Date: Nov 3 2004 10:21AM

off. We are in for complete control by the Repuds, they have the congress and the supreme court. This with an inflated ego and incapacity to be a good leader, heaven help us all!

LMAO this is great!!!

From Democrats.org

Posted by Linda Ras @ 11/2/04, 12:01 PM

I watched Bush this morning saying he was relaxed and confident because of all the energy and positive vibes (paraphrased) that he's gotten from his recent campaign stops. He needs more than a reality check!

I sense an influx of moonbats to Canaduh. Oh well, that's okay, I'm moving to the USA! I really am moving to the States and couldn't be happier.

Reading these comments reminds me of the scene at the end of the book/movie LOTR/ROTK. The ring has been destroyed. Sauron dissolves into a whirlwind. Sauron's minions (trolls, orcs, and other bad-guys) collapse into disorder, run off cliffs and are wiped out by the men of the West.

Nice ending.

Profile:
Subject: Sure hope one of those Bush girls
From: Pepper
Date: Nov 3 2004 10:23AM

doesn't get knocked up and find herself in a dark room with a coat hanger.

hahahahahaha. Liberals are like little kids

Kevin Drum's article got some serious attention from the moonbats. Conspiracy theories about how Diebold stole the election for Bush, that Zogby's exit polls were right, and how Ohio is supposedly a smokescreen for what is happening in Florida (um, Kerry lost in FL by more than 300k votes!).

#242

Ahh, yes, the loyal opposition, looking at future terrorists attacks as a "glass half-full" scenario. Charming.

The tragedy is they mean it.

Look around you LGFers. These are your neighbors, the people you pass on a sidewalk, those sitting at the next table at the restaurant.

My favorite Dan Rather of SeeBS moment (from late last night):

If I had to bet the "double-wide" on this election, I would go for Bush, if he wins Ohio.

Dan was looking a little old after about 1 am (est).

Oh, it is a great day for American!

Subject: Welp, that's it: Americas schools suck!
From: CONSLAYER
Date: Nov 3 2004 10:20AM

We are now officially the dopiest stupid morons on the face of the Earth.

LMAO a liberal self portrait?

Why do they keep insisting that the south is a bunch of barefoot toothless inbreds? First, the existing population was no such thing to begin with, and in my lifetime millions of northerners (such as myself) have moved down here. I am as intelligent, talented, and intellectual as any of them. What I am not is stuck on myself.