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Thu, Nov 4, 2004 at 6:41:49 am PST

Arafat in coma and in ‘extremely bad state’: French medical source.

PARIS (AFP) - Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat is in a coma and in an “extremely bad state”, French medical sources told AFP.

Arafat was on life support at the Percy military hospital in Clamart, southwest of Paris.

“He is still in a coma,” the medical sources added Thursday.

The source revealed that Arafat was not responding to treatment before adding that the Palestinian leader had not received proper medical care while at his Ramallah headquarters.

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1 fat.elvis  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:43:18am

Soon he will be stinky fish.

2 beblebrox  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:43:19am

"My nipples explode with delight!!!"

/Python mode off

3 CheezNCrackers  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:43:23am

Woo hooo!

2 days of celebration back-to-back !!

4 WinShape  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:43:34am

At least he lived long enough to see Bush get reelected.

5 apotheosis  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:43:53am

Does the giant grin on my face make me a BAD person?

6 Elle Plater  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:45:19am
7 Smit  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:45:19am

Champagne on ice, chocolates attaining room temperature.

You're up early Charles!

8 Condor  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:45:24am

One report supposedly from MSNBC states that he has, in fact, just reported in to inquire about his virgins. (UNCONFIRMED)

9 mal  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:45:33am

I hope he suffers

10 mapenguin  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:45:38am

Oh, boo-hoo, how sad that this great man of peace is so ill.

OK, MSM-mode off. Will I go to Hell for dancing in the street?

11 Golem Akbar  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:45:47am

Wow, that's some nasty flu bug he's got.

12 radford  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:45:54am

Bye bye.

It looks like the comment "that the Palestinian leader had not received proper medical care while at his Ramallah headquarters" is the set up to blame Israel.

13 Zevy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:46:49am
adding that the Palestinian leader had not received proper medical care while at his Ramallah headquarters.

I'm guessing that'll be construed as Israel's fault, because as we all know, Arafat is immoral immortal.

14 TexasYankee  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:46:50am

He should've gotten his flu shot.

15 Kevin P.  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:47:15am

DIE! You piece of shit. DIE ALREADY!

(And no, I do not feel bad about typing that either.)

16 coach  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:47:23am
The source revealed that Arafat was not responding to treatment before adding that the Palestinian leader had not received proper medical care while at his Ramallah headquarters.

Who here thinks that Israel will be blamed for his poor medical care in Ramallah?

17 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:47:40am

Yahoo...the French doctors are saying there is no way he'll come out of the coma.

Th th th th th th th th that's all folks.

18 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:47:44am

Visons of white grapes dancing in his head...

19 Tman  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:48:11am

Na na na naaa,

Na na na naaa,


Hey hey heyyy...GOOODBYE!!!

Hitler was so lonely in the Fascist Jewkiller room in hell, now he'll have a buddy to play with...how adorable..

20 Golem Akbar  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:48:47am

What kind of virgins does a pedophile get in hell?

21 coach  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:48:51am

Gee, I should read other posts before I post. Sorry for the third or fourth reference!

22 JamesW  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:48:57am

Yasser Arafat is in a coma and in an “extremely bad state”


What state is extremely bad? Rhode Island? Delaware?

23 LthrNck  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:49:07am

I guess the US election results pushed him over the edge. Vote or die indeed! The last thing ole Arafart will remember while burning in hell is watching Kerry's concession speech.

24 hmmm  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:49:16am

a quote by one of his aides:

"He has no immunity whatsoever,"

if only this had been true quite a few years ago!

i wonder if was due to Bush's re-election!!

someone do the right thing and pull the plug!

time for some palestinian inhouse fighting! i wonder if they will send suicide bombers at each other!
wonder what they would say to that? condemnations?
idoubt it!!

25 radford  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:49:42am

#13, 16

I guess everyone else came to the same conclusion I did.

26 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:50:27am

The source revealed that Arafat was not responding to treatment before adding that the Palestinian leader had not received proper medical care while at his Ramallah headquarters.

They're getting ready to blame this 'un on the Jooos, I can feel it.

Oh well, I don't give a rat's a$$.

27 ghost ryder  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:50:58am

This is the best week ever!!

28 sawdustmachine  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:51:55am

Bush re-elected, Arafish going, Edwards chasing ambulances again, Ta-ray-zuh back soaking raisins, and Falluja about to experience the wrath of the USMC -

this is turning out to be a pretty good week.

/understatement off

29 Elle Plater  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:52:00am

It could be he's dead, we don't know...the reporters were crying too much.

/s

30 hipper_than_thou  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:52:12am

The only thing I'm thinking about is how many little boys did Arafat infect before they got him locked up in a French hospital?

31 Golem Akbar  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:52:16am

I'm waiting for the trifecta: Bush re-elected, Arafat dies, Michael Moore marries his long-time lover George Soros.

32 Capt. Queeg  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:52:19am

It's my birthday. I certainly hopes he bites the dust before midnight. It would be a lovely present for me.

It would make up for lousy things that also happened today: 1979 - Mullahs take US hostages in Iran. Also it's Cronkite's b-day

33 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:52:39am
At least he lived long enough to see Bush get reelected.

LOL.

Yeah, and apparently, before slipping into his irreversible coma, he had an aide issue a statement of congratulations in his name.

HAAAH!

34 JoeM  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:52:44am

#19 Tman

Unfortunately, that's not a lonely room ...

35 FreakyBoy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:52:53am

All that rich food in Paris will do that to an old pedopile terrorist.

As my 6 year old daughter sez: Sooo Saaad.

36 hipper_than_thou  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:53:06am

Oh -- and what happened to the blood that he was shown supposedly donating after 9.11?

37 ZMB2  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:53:15am

his death would make this week even better. Its like an early Christmas!

38 AG in Houston  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:53:26am

Faster Please.

39 Bob24  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:53:38am

Anyone notice how today is the 9-year anniversary of Rabin's assassination? Somehow it would be fitting if the Arafish croaked today.

40 dazoid81  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:54:16am

#22 JamesW

Hey! I'm a New Yorker who went to the University of Delaware, and I currently live just inside it... it's not THAT bad... I mean, compared to Gaza, there's very little to complain about. Relatively clean water, plumbing, no sales-tax, easy to leave and come back. Not to mention that all the chemicals Dupont and Goretex pump into the sky make for some really beautiful sunsets!

41 Elle Plater  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:54:25am

#27 ghost ryder: it gets better
U.S. jets hit Fallujah ahead of expected offensive

42 beblebrox  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:54:27am

Man how good can it get? W reelected, Arafish on the way out, slowly I might add, and Fallujah about to take on a resemblance to Camden, New Jersey. More fun than one person should be allowed to have in such a short period of time.

43 quesnay  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:54:54am

Just read in Front page that perhaps he has aids.

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

44 zonekeeper  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:54:55am

You guys, it's true. Israel will be blamed for his death, and it will be used to incite futher suicide attacks, hatred, etc. All because they wouldn't let him roam around free.

You just watch. Those stupid sheep will believe anything.

45 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:55:21am
Oh -- and what happened to the blood that he was shown supposedly donating after 9.11?

Man, you guys crack me up. Stop it, I'm laughing out loud at work.

My colleagues will know i'm not working then...

46 Golem Akbar  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:55:24am

Just before dying Arafat says: I will renounce my Nobel Peace Prize...

47 Nancy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:55:32am

And yet there are still a number of Palestinian spokespersons denying it.

Claiming it isn't a coma only that he has been sedated for procedures like bone marrow tests. Which would seem odd since they ruled out cancer.

My own hunch is that he is dying of something common--there is no mysterious illness and for any number of reasons they are buying time and probably publicity too.

48 AmericanInSweden  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:55:54am

Well if Arafish really floats to the top...who is going to be the next king bottom feeder?

49 Skippy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:56:03am

Let's ease up on the schadenfreude here, please. Arafat deserves the eternity in hell for which he's destined, but I have no desire to engage in the virtual car-swarm that seems to be going on. We're better than they are.

50 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:56:07am

I don't know why anyone should feel bad about wishing arabfart a quick and painful death.

He's a terrorist for Christ's sake. My only regret is that the evil bastard didn't violently, shitting in his pants.

51 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:56:13am

Die you bastard, DIE!!!

A great couple of weeks could get better. The Red Sox win the World Series. Bush gets re-elected. And now this...

DIE YOU BASTARD DIE!!!

52 Condor  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:56:27am

Hold everything! The latest Zogby poll says that it's 2-1 odds, based on a sampling of visitors exiting Arafat's hospital room, that he will recover and return to lead a new Palestinian state.

53 Michael Moore's Dromedary  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:56:46am

"All Your Soul Belong to Us"

54 FreakyBoy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:56:58am

Isn't there a Arafish death pool?

Who's close to winning?

55 Golem Akbar  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:57:37am

I wonder who will inherit Arafat's lifetime subscription to the NAMBLA Gazette?

56 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:58:02am

#49 Skippy

Dead and dying terrorists make me happy.

No apologies here.

57 Michael Moore's Dromedary  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:58:04am

#54 Freak

Yeah, but who'd want to swim in it???

eewww...

58 Smit  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:58:17am

#52 Condor - LOL!

59 punk boy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:58:44am

I am glad he lived long enough to see Bush re-elected

nice

now, time to move over and let the palestinians start killing and slaughtering each other. what a nasty, infested, rotten, criminal mess he has left in his wake.

he has to be one of the most famous of the worthless leaders in the latter half of the 20th century - he accomplished aboslutely nothing other than the creation of the swamp of despair in gaza and the west bank

60 AmericanInSweden  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:58:51am

#52 Condor

Hold everything! The latest Zogby poll says that it's 2-1 odds, based on a sampling of visitors exiting Arafat's hospital room, that he will recover and return to lead a new Palestinian state.

I keep thinking of Spawn for some reason...except Al Simmons is much cooler than Arafish could ever be...

61 Al-Qaeda for Kerry  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:59:08am

ALLAH FUCKIN' AKBAR!!!

62 Pitiricus  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 4:59:58am

Ululating in joy...

63 NDMNTX  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:00:39am

I guess that sooner or later F*cking little boys in the a$$ comes back at you in a big way. Go figure.

64 quesnay  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:00:41am

He should have been sent to the gallows a long time ago. It would have been nice to read a "Shirer" type description of his execution

65 FreakyBoy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:00:54am

#57 Michael Moore's Dromedary 

Pardon the pun, on the other hand, who'd want to ride on your hump after MM's been sweating on it?

;-)

66 Maine's Michael  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:01:08am

I don't know what gives me more satisfaction, Arafat about to meet his boy virgins, or Thomas Friedman's post election seething and whining.

67 Al-Qaeda for Kerry  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:01:23am

And the sleeping Arafat gleefully wonders..."mmm...was Rachel Corrie a virgin?"

68 radford  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:01:25am

#49 Skippy

There is no moral equivalence between gloating over the death of an evil man and hauling body parts out of a car.

PS - Lighten up.

69 Raposa  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:01:32am

#49

Agreed. We shouldn't take joy in a man dying. Relief that he'll be gone, sure, but we don't have to be vicious about it.

Really, I can spare a little sympathy for a guy dying while surrounded by enemies and allies, but no friends. I don't think a single human loves him. They all worship the power, or the ideal, or hate him for the same.

The real question is what's going to happen to the Palestinians. I personally predict a lot of less intelligent fanatics will trade spaces at the top for a while before another cunning old spider takes the helm away from them.

70 hipper_than_thou  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:01:51am

Was this Arafat's attempt at spreading AIDS to the unsuspecting American public? Seriously, these pictures crack me up. He should have won an Oscar for this performance, instead of a Nobel Piss Prize.

71 Mike  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:02:07am

Time to bring out the world's smallest violin.

My heart breaks. (Not!)

...

Today's MSN.com news headlines read:


Bush wins as Kerry concedes

Arafat worsens, in intensive care

US bombs targets in Fallujah


Now that's what I call good news.

72 Vortec  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:02:13am

Arafish in a coma, I know
I know - it's serious
Arafish in a coma, I know
I know - it's really serious

NO, I DON'T WANT TO SEE HER

Do you really think
She'll pull through ?
Do you really think
She'll pull through ?
Do ...


Arafish in a coma, I know
I know - it's serious
My, my, my, my, my, my baby, goodbye


WOULD YOU PLEASE
LET ME SEE HER !


Do you really think
She'll pull through ?
Do you really think
She'll pull through ?
Do ...
Let me whisper my last goodbyes


I know - IT'S SERIOUS

73 hmmm  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:02:24am

another positive of this situation is that is will throw EU plans on the middle east out of the window!

they put all their eggs in the araft bomb basket and now will only have a basket case to help them!!

the less of Europe in the middle east the quicker the problems can be faced up to!

hurrah!!

74 Smit  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:02:24am

Skippy

Let's ease up on the schadenfreude here, please

Sorry in advance for being pedantic, but "schadenfreude" is the german word given to the emotion of feeling pleasure at a friend's misfortune.

Arafat is a friend of nobody here.
Well maybe Gordon.

Now what's the word for taking pleasure from the death of an enemy?

75 golem akbar  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:03:01am

Punk Boy #59

he accomplished aboslutely nothing other than the creation of the swamp of despair in gaza and the west bank


You forgot the $2bill plus bank account in Paree. I suggest the 2-billion be used to pay for one-way plane tickets to Paris for the Palis of Gaza and "WestBank" areas. They can go there and live on lattes and bile.

76 Nancy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:03:48am

A good man elected president, an evil man dies and our brave troops cracking down on terrorists.

Ah, the simple joys of life!

77 Smitty  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:04:01am

"Tanks" for the memories.

You know, tanks,...like fish tanks...get it? Ok, sorry.

78 Dave the.....  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:04:04am

#69 Good post and I agree.

Totally opposite people, but when Reagan died, many lefties in the US celebrated.

79 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:04:17am

#49 Skippy:

Wasdamatter wiff ya?

F*ckfish is responsible for hundreds of my countrymen's death.

I took pleasure in seeing Yassin and Rantisi go, the only regret I have about the Fish is that he won't be goin' out like them.

80 Rednek  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:04:37am

Run up the bill Arafish! Don't code yet!

81 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:05:08am

#74 Smit

I suggest the word "kef"-that's fun in Hebrew.

Or "achla"-that's awesome.

82 Blue Chip  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:05:11am

Yasser Arafat is in a coma and in an “extremely bad state”, French medical sources told AFP.


"extremely bad state = France"

(not to worry, it's a dry heat. Leave the sunblock.)

83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:05:38am

Anyone else think we got a Pali Civil war by the end of the month?

84 # 17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:05:46am

The campaign to have him buried in his birthplace, Cairo, is underway. And let's not wait till he's dead.

85 Jack Burton  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:05:47am

Well, all that really matters is that he's going to have to answer to the life he lived in short order, good or bad. It will be for someone greater than us to determine the answer.

86 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:06:51am

#69 Raposa

"a man"? "a guy"?

This is Yasser Fucking Arafat, father of modern terrorism, inventor of the plane hijacking iirc. Creator of the terrorist "palestinian" "state".

He's hardly just some "guy".

87 NotThatGordo  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:07:04am

Does anyone know where I can find a list of the murders Arafat personally commited or directed. Especially early in his "Career". Some of my LLL co-workers just don't get it.

88 Mayor of Shadyville  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:07:08am

I hope Bush doesn't even mention Arafat in his 11am speech. I think the silence would be deafening. And if he does say anything it should be, "GOT ONE!"

89 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:07:25am

# 43 quesnay

I wonder what kind of AIDS you get from animals...

In the article you linked David Frum says

An AIDS diagnosis would certainly accord with what is widely known about Arafat's personal way of life. (Some of the lurid, homoerotic details can be found in the memoirs of Lt.-Gen. Ion Pacepa, former head of Romanian intelligence under Nicolae Ceausescu. See page 36.)

I don't know where to find that memoir, but I've seen excerpts of it and it's unreal.

Israel Radio just reported he's in a "tardemet" and is in critical condition. "Tardemet" would mean a drug induced coma, which is actually pretty common when the doctors don't want the brain to operate the lungs for some reason.

Good ridance!

90 Tman  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:07:48am

#34 joem,

I was thinking along the lines of Expert Fascist dictator/Scumbag leader jewkillers, the other room as you correctly point out is overflowing..

They saved a seat for Saddam though...

91 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:07:49am

Also overheard this morning. Michael Moore on a food binge in a Paris McDonalds. OBL seeks undocumented alien entry into Paris surburb to take up residence with Suha (she'd be marrying up in the terror food chain). Alec Baldwin is still waiting for the papers to come in enabling him to move to France (France has so far rejected his emigration on grounds that one overweight entertainer/actor per generation - Jerry Lewis was last generation, Michael Moore this one).

From the way some of the networks are calling this story, some are genuinely sorry for his condition - this breathless reporting is disgusting. Sorry, but this guy was a terrorist who killed Americans, called for the death of Americans, participated in hijackings, enabled terrorists, and gave the world suicide bombers, hijackers, and worst of all - suicidal hijackers. He has the blood of thousands on his hands, and the sooner he meets his maker (in Hell) the better this world will be.

92 André  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:07:55am

People,
Check the headline on the righthand side at [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"Official: Arafat in a coma
- Arafat congratulates Bush"

Hilarious!

93 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:07:55am

# 81 WriterMom:

Achla indeed!

94 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:08:06am

Soon there's gonna need to be a thread for most revolting, barf-inducing, terrorist loving, filthy leftist tribute to Arafish.

The good news is that it will provide much fish food for thought for the Idiotarian of the year award.

I can't wait to hear Kofi Annan's tribute, Jacques al-Chirac, Martin Indyk, etc...

95 Model4  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:08:28am

How could Arafat's condition be worsening when he's not ill at all? OK, he's got parkinsons to some degree, and had the flu, but that's all.

the Palestinian leader had not received proper medical care while at his Ramallah headquarters

Arafat was free to leave at any time. Israel's marvelous PR masters will probably make this point sometime in 2009.

Send a dozen Hellfire missles just to be sure. Why wait?

96 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:09:07am

It is Hari Kari time for the left.

Bush is reelected and now Arafat, Nobel Peace Prize winner is dying.

What next?

Will Michael Moore fall down and bust his fat ass?

Will Jimmy Carter's lips fall off?

Do you think Hillary Clinton might come into contact with water and melt into a pile of crumpled garments and sludge?

97 golem akbar  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:09:41am

#83 Kragar

Anyone else think we got a Pali Civil war by the end of the month?


Yes. That would be a nice birthday present to me -- along with my martini. However, if it starts sooner than the end of the month, I won't complain. See how magnanimous we can be?

98 Duane  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:09:53am

I'm looking forward to the ceremonial flushing of Arafish

99 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:09:57am

#78 Dave the...

#69 Good post and I agree.

Totally opposite people, but when Reagan died, many lefties in the US celebrated.

Yeah, and the "palestinians" danced after 9/11. What does their amorality have to do with my joy at the impending death of a terrorist mass-murderer?

100 Dan Tanna  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:10:02am

Its nice to see that Terrorfar is one slippery banana peel away from enternal damnation.

Maybe Satan will stuff spiky pineapples far up his ass.

101 Loch Inkopf  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:10:05am

Do you think his aides gave him AIDS?

102 John B  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:10:13am

Charles has often referred to Arafish as the world's oldest terrorist. I'm not sure about that but, from photos, he certainly is the world's ugliest.

I wonder if he will receive the same quality treatment in France as the 13,000 elderly who died in the summer of 2003?

103 AW  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:10:17am
Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat is in a coma and in an “extremely bad state”, French medical sources told AFP.

He's in a terrible state. The state is called France.

104 # 17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:10:25am

Is it true he has Jewish doctors treating him in Fwance ?

That may be why he is dying from no apparent cause.

105 Vortec  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:10:28am

#89:

"Israel Radio just reported he's in a "tardemet" and is in critical condition. "Tardemet" would mean a drug induced coma, which is actually pretty common when the doctors don't want the brain to operate the lungs for some reason.

Good ridance! "


Whenever I see Arafish's mug, I reach for the "Tagamet", which is common when I don't want to picture Hillary giving Suha the frenchie.

106 Jed  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:10:55am

If there is a God, he would wake him up and make him suffer more.

107 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:11:03am

#69 Raposa

Who is the "we" that YOU are refering to?

And, why should I give a shit about the Palestinians-authors of their own misery and murderers of innocents?

You're on the wrong thread, dude.

108 Luigi  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:11:52am

They're going to put a pillow to his head and get him in the ground before anyone in the mainstream media has to use the word AIDS.

109 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:12:59am

Ha!

110 André  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:14:30am

Ok guys, let's start the bidding...who will attend the funeral to represent the US?

Carter
Clinton (both)
Powell
Kerry
M Moore
Soros
???

Who am I forgetting?

111 prayingforanRNCOCTSURPRISE _OSAMA_DOA  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:14:31am

#72 Vortec

nice to see The Smiths reference on LGF. From someone who went to college in the '80's, I now cannot get that song
(Girlfriend in a Coma, for those not in the know) out of my head now.

112 Necklace of Shoes  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:14:34am

I know there's a lockout going on but

Yassin

Rantissi

now Arafat

Hat trick!

*Throws hat on to the ice*

113 Pitiricus  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:14:37am

8: male or female

114 SoCalJustice  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:14:38am
in an "extremely bad state"

France?

Palestine?

Oh, they meant his health.

Got it.

115 Jed  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:14:47am

He fell into a coma at the moment CNN declared Ohio for Bush.

116 # 17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:14:49am

# 109 But then again Lawrence, if he does not have Jewish doctors treating him, that could be why he is dying.

117 hmmm  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:14:51am

#83

unfortunately there is unlikely to be any real increace in the current civil war that has been raging in the territories for the last few years. the rate of internal violence in the territories has been rising steadily for the last few years!!

just no one wants to call it what it actually is - a civil war. palestinian society is divided but there are no leaders left who can gain the strength yet to try and take power. thus with no hegemon the rest will sit and wait for someone else to make a move, and when that happens all hell could break lose.

as occured the 2 previous times when they lost control of their "uprisings" -wars - in the 30s and 80s. society is tired but unfortunately still bloody radical!! so no change in position!!

118 Smit  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:15:03am

Thanks WriterMom. Can I say this week could be 'achla kef'?

119 conservati  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:15:03am

#96 Lawrence Schmerel

Do you think Hillary Clinton might come into contact with water and melt into a pile of crumpled garments and sludge?


We can only hope!
I want to watch that happen too!!

120 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:15:08am

I said elsewhere that it sounds like not only is he in the terrible state, but he's probably in state anyway already.

121 Eugene McGovern  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:15:16am

BLEEP. BLEEP. BLEEP. BLEEP. BLEEP.


BLEEE...

122 logger phd  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:15:18am

Waiting to sing, "Ding dong, the Fish is dead!"

123 Elcid  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:15:22am

Good Riddance, Terrorist.

124 Golem Akbar  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:15:56am

Charles, I hope the Bye-ku for Arafrick is being penned (probably has been for a while). I suggest we, of the Lizardoid Minion, start coming up with some good music to say our goodbyes.

Bye Bye Love (bye bye happiness)
and so forth

125 mommydoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:16:02am
Palestinian officials denied claims that Arafat is in coma.

He's not dead. He's pinin' for the fjords.

More and more Pythonesque. I love it!

the Palestinian leader had not received proper medical care while at his Ramallah headquarters

Yeah, because he was getting care from his own pathetic people, who have squandered their lives and professions on Jew-hatred, instead of developing a decent medical system. Compare that with Israel, who has gone on, despite the constant and incessant threat of extinction, to build a health care system that is second to none, not even the US. Had he not dedicated his life to trying to destroy Israel, he could have gotten the best medical care in the world. But the Jews will be blamed nonetheless.

Looks like my November trifecta is rolling toward a happy conclusion.

Bush reelected: Check.
Arafat drops dead. Looking good.
I pass my boards: Will know late next week.

Life is good.

126 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:16:54am

#118 Smit

It's been an achla week, and the kef just continues!

127 Loch Inkopf  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:17:23am

"Here, richly, amidst ridiculous display
The politician's corpse was laid away.
While those of his acquaintance sneered and slanged
I wept because I had longed to see him hanged."

128 ashan  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:17:27am

Whaddayamean Arafish is in an “extremely bad state”? He's in an extremely good state. And he shoulda been there a long, long time ago.

Anyhoo, this is a wonderful present to his fellow Palithugs during Ramadanadingdong.

129 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:17:32am

# 110 André

But the good news is that since Bush was re-elected, whoever attends is unlikely to be attending as an official representative of the US government.

# 118 Smit

Definitely yes.

130 ibu guru  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:17:34am

#54 FreakyBoy

Isn't there a Arafish death pool?

Very ad hoc, it would seem. I put in my prediction for Friday, 19 November, but now I don't recall which thread -- one last night. There have been a number of predictions scattered about for a coupla days.

Charles? Any possibility of a separate date-prediction pool thread or poll where we can enter our dates? And what do we win (besides the good fortune of the demise of one of the world's oldest and rottenest terrorists)? Ether's-essence of a fine vintage Armagnac? Or does our prize end up in fax-heaven? :-)!!!

131 Renna  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:17:34am

I'm tired of hearing that his death might not be a good thing because his replacement might be "worse," whatever that means. It is hard to imagine someone worse than the man who all but invented modern terrorism.

Even so, Israel couldn't harm Arafat. No such contraints on the new guy.

132 CB  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:17:36am

Wonder where the red binder is?

133 littleoldlady  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:18:10am

#108

Luigi, Luigi...this is not your father's internet! In fact, this is not merely the internet, this is LGF. All we have to do is print:

ARAFAT DIED OF AIDS

in boldface. John Gibson will report it tonight. By tomorrow it will be all over the place. Keep your pajamas on! ;-)

134 Shira  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:18:11am

The Murderfish will certainly have a great deal to answer for when he gets to the other side.

135 d_on_a_palehorse  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:19:27am

Freakyboy,

On the Arafish Death pool, I lost. I had yesterday picked out, along with a Bush win.

I guess that I can't get everything that I want.

Oh well, I still feel pretty darn good!

136 Pitiricus  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:19:44am

Well it's not my birthday but I'll celebrate if this piece of junk go to Hell today...

I wonder: does Suha have the Swiss accounts' numbers...

137 Rednek  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:21:48am

#132 CB

They are preparing it to be placed in his coffin.

138 Al-Qaeda for Kerry  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:22:17am

WOW! Apparently "our god IS bigger than their god" - and I'm not even religious.

Well, thanks bigger god, the news these past few days has been fucking delightful!!

139 D.C. Watson  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:22:31am

Watch, Israel will be blamed for this because they grounded this carp from leaving his pond...Pull the plug on Mr. Arafat. He's wasted enough good air, as he ordered the murders of so mant innocent people.

Go to Satan, little fish faced demon.

140 trip  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:23:03am

I hope it is today that he kicks the bucket!

141 D.C. Watson  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:23:17am

many-not mant...sorry

142 zygazint  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:23:40am

Arab Intellectuals Seek to Try Clerics

CAIRO, Egypt - A group of Arab intellectuals wants prominent Muslim clerics known for inflammatory views tried by an international court on charges of encouraging terrorism, the intellectuals' U.S.-based spokesman said Monday, arguing that the clerics' governments haven't acted strongly enough against them.

The call appears largely symbolic, but likely will stir debate about inflammatory statements made by radical Muslim clerics in their fatwas, or religious edicts, and through the media and on the Internet. There is neither a venue nor any realistic possibility that clerics would be handed over for such prosecution.


Shaker al-Nabulsi, a U.S.-based Jordanian university professor, said about 3,000 Arab and Muslim intellectuals have signed the petition thus far calling for international trials. Iraqis, Jordanians, Libyans, Syrians, Tunisians and Persian Gulf intellectuals were among those who signed, al-Nabulsi said.


"The Arab regimes cannot put an end to these fatwas of terrorism; the international community can," al-Nabulsi told The Associated Press in Cairo in a telephone interview from his Denver home.

Dozens have been killed.

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

this could be my favorite week EVER!

143 Nancy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:24:33am

How could there be any sympathy for him just because he is now dying? This is a man who has supported and encouraged a culture which idealizes death.

A man who has sent countless young and healthy persons to choose death as their goal and to send as many other innocents to their death.

Actually, I think that his dying, slowly in a foreign hospital with the best medical care, hooked up to life support is the "ultimate humilation."

No shaheeds death for him!

144 TRex  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:24:47am

I'll bet he was poisioned!

He has viral like symptoms, bleeding from GI tract, horrible weight loss.

A bleeding ulcer is easy to identify.

Sounds like some bowel inflammation, and he is bleeding to death - slowly.

Boy, I bet that hurts.

145 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:25:50am

When I see him blowing kisses like he's some kind of celebrity, I want to vomit.

146 JoeM  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:26:01am

#90 Tman

Off the top of my head:

Stalin
Nasser
Assad
Hajj Amin al Husseini (arguably, he was not a "dictator/leader" but all your other adjectives apply)

these are just a few (not all) samples from the last century alone.

147 conservati  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:26:21am

We could accidently bomb the funeral. Oops, we missed, that was meant for OBL!!!

148 zygazint  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:26:38am

#20 and #31

Prolific. And damn funny.

149 D.C. Watson  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:27:21am

Will we send anyone to attend his funeral? Someone has to make sure he's really outta here.

150 Raposa  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:27:30am

Palestinians dancing in the streets makes it okay for us to do the same?

Well, I suppose so, if you're into that whole eye for an eye thing.

I, personally, am not. I'd rather not comport myself like a barmy lefty upon hearing the latest anti-American news.

I mean, do you all want to end up like Bigel?

151 Golem Akbar  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:28:17am

Slightly OT, but does anyone know how much money George Soros donated to all his losing causes? And is he moving to Canada?

152 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:28:54am

WinShape (#4)

At least he lived long enough to see Bush get reelected.

He sent good wishes too.

Arafat congratulates Bush on second term

I'm sure Bush was delighted.

153 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:29:20am

MSNBC is reporting that Arafish has died.

On the parent network, I noticed that Al-Qatie Qouric wore her black mourning dress today, apparently for the Bush victory. Anyone want to bet she'll be back in black tomorrow, if not sackcloth and ashes.

154 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:29:42am

#150 Raposa

What part of "arabfart is a terrorist" are you not getting?

Would you be this somber if it was an ObL death watch?

I mean, do you all want to end up like Bigel?

I want arabfart dead. And then I want to raise a glass and toast his eternal damnation.

155 Lyana  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:29:45am

And here we thought the French wouldn't help us in the War on Terror! Their geriatric care shows its excellence once again... Use 'em for what they're good at!

Now, if we could just convince Castro and Kim Jong Il to go for a "checkup"...

___

Bush re-elected with Repub. senate and house
Daschal (sp? who cares!) OUT
Arafat dying
Marines takin' out Fallujah

I'm walkin' on sunshine - and don't it feel GOOD!

156 SROSENYC  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:31:16am

France and Pere Lachaise: PERFECT TOGETHER. Actually Pere Lachaise (cemetary) is too good...

Please, French-Jewish MDs: STAY AWAY!

157 apotheosis  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:31:23am

dirty Arafish
stuck to ceiling, belly up
burial at sea

158 # 17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:31:26am

# 151 Golem Akbar

Yes. One person knows, but he is keeping very quiet.

159 dustyroadguy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:31:45am

Arafish Lord of the Baalastinians

Baal, literal meaning is "Arafish""lord," in the Canaanite pantheon was the local title of fertility gods. Baal Arafish never emerged as a rain god until later times when he assumed the special functions of each. Although there is no equivalent in Canaan of the sterile summer drought that occurs in Mesopotamia, the season cycle was marked enough to have cause the death of many and himselfd a concentration on the and has now become the disappearing fertility god, who took with him the autumn rain clouds decending into the neither world.
160 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:32:07am

Raposa, good for you! You go sit in the corner and mourn the passing of a mass-murdering psychopath. You're very moral, far superior to us mere mortals.

161 mglazer  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:32:10am

God works in mysterious ways

Due to the poor Socilaist medical care system of france God willing Arf-Fart will be dead shortly

See, things have a reason and tend to work out for the best

162 ibu guru  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:32:22am

#69 Raposa

Agreed. We shouldn't take joy in a man dying. Relief that he'll be gone, sure, but we don't have to be vicious about it.

A little venting on line cannot be equated to Pali car swarms and waving body parts about. It's only expressions of revulsion, frustration, anger, etc. built up over the many years the fish instigated hatred and evil and sheer nastiness. Venting our displeasure at years of crime, fraud, terrorism, bad governance, pederasty, and other assorted evils is healthy. Rejoicing that our world will soon be free of an evil and utterly disgusting pile of garbage is pretty normal. Clearing all this emotional crud in a healthy way -- expressing ourselves in a on-line forum -- will help us move on rather than get emotionally stuck.

So let's vent & wish the fish a rapid newspaper-wrapped trip to the trash-heap of history and long stint in hell.

163 Retread  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:33:06am

#22 JamesW
What state is extremely bad? Rhode Island? Delaware?

How about the Kerry state: Massachusettes.

They say bad things come in threes. Do good things come in threes as well? W's victory, Arafish's demise...what's number 3>

164 Adamski  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:33:09am

I've got nothing new to add, other than I'm laughing my ass off at the comments here!

Thanks everybody!

165 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:33:34am

Raposa, spend more time here and take our equivalency immunization shot.

Personally, I will not the dance in the streets over Arafat's death (being a poor dancer and all), but celebrating the (presumably) peaceful departure of one ancient terrorist is NOT the same as celebrating the massacre of 3000 innocents.

166 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:33:45am

Zev Chafets reflects on the life and times on the world's oldest terrorist.

167 # 17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:34:00am

Apparently there are 1,265,785 more elderly Egyptians in dire need of medical attention. Is Fwance offerring to airlift all of them ?

Why not ?

168 Raposa  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:34:21am

#154

Would you be this somber if it was an ObL death watch?

Actually, yes, I would. The death of others is a grim necessity at times, not a joyful party. The world will more than likely be much better without Arafat, but I'm not going to take some kind of viscereal pleasure in every ache and pain of his dying moments.

Kim Jong II is another that I'm quietly waiting on to die. These people are impediments to civilization, peace, and a decent life for many people. Their deaths will mean good things for many around the world. But I'm not going to turn into a frickin' ghoul about it. I don't revel in death, period, not even if it's a scumbag.

169 speedster1  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:35:12am

OH! I may need new specs. Thought the tag said:

Yasser Arafat is in a coma and in an “extremely bad taste"

170 hmmm  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:35:12am

how about his funeral!

if he wants to be buried in the west bank somewhere, how will the arab leaders go to this funeral without recognizing israel!!

there will be great pressure on the likes of Assad and Mubarak to go to it to show their support for the palestinian cause!

but having to rely on israeli security - will this be too much for them!!

though it is true that every one of them will be glad to see him gone!

none were willing to help him when he was ill!

so maybe they should just bury him in the Rammala municiple rubbish dump!

a fitting way to sum up his career for the palestinian cause!!!

171 Renna  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:35:24am

#153 Ship

Really!!!??? (quicking opening a browser)

172 mal  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:35:37am

[Link: www.proche-orient.info...]

is it true?

173 Smug Monkey  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:36:47am

According to PROCHE ORIENT INFO, a french newspaper, ARAFAT DIES A FEW MINUTES AGO.

174 Smug Monkey  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:37:27am

#172 mal

Guess I should read the whole thread first, eh?

8 )

175 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:38:13am

Chirac visits Arafat

And from Ha'aretz:

Palestinian source: PA Chairman Arafat smiled at French President Jacques Chirac and held his hand

Barf.

176 # 17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:38:16am

# 173 75 years too late

177 dustyroadguy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:38:17am

Raposa

take a DEEP breathe...

it's OK to be joyful at the demise of EVIL incarnate...

Baalistians dancing in the street at the death of women, children, and innocents is EVIL...

Dancing in the street at the death of Arafish is NOT...

there is a BIG difference

178 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:38:28am

#168 Raposa

Would you be this somber if it was an ObL death watch?

Actually, yes, I would.

Well, whatever...

If you need any Brasso to polish your absurd moral superiority, let me know.

179 Smit  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:38:35am

#150 Raposa -

Celebrating the death of an innocent person = Bad
Celebrating the death of an evil person = Not so bad.

In your view is it OK if I celebrate that the world is a better place because a malign influence is gone.

180 TenRing  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:39:18am

Arafat's passing is long due and I will celebrate the end of his evil influence. His mere existence has been the focus of entirely too much suffering. Everything he stands for is corrupt, vile, and poisonous.

But I cannot wish him, as a fellow human, anything other than a quiet death in the relative comfort of family.

Then bury him in a pigskin.

181 Joel  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:39:38am

Based on this:

The source revealed that Arafat was not responding to treatment before adding that the Palestinian leader had not received proper medical care while at his Ramallah headquarters.

They are already looking to blame Israel for his death.

182 SROSENYC  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:39:45am

DEBKAfile reports: Arafat is sunk in coma on artificial respirator in intensive care unit of Paris hospital. Palestinian leadership assembled in Ramallah to determine order of succession.

183 ibn Abu  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:39:47am

I wonder if that journalist that wrote the fawning, tearful account of Arafat's departure from Ramallah is on suicide watch. She must be so despondent.

I'm off to the liquor store to pick up some champagne. The cork pops the moment the Fish goes belly-up, office or no office.

184 HULUGU  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:39:48am

yesss--he's had three episodes of difficulty with breathing--an awareness of the end--the TERROR of non-existence--where does that pimp chiraq get off visiting his bedside--was he asking for bribes or the numbered accounts from the red folder?--what a disgusting whore

185 rexie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:40:39am

[Link: uk.yahoo.com...]

Uk.Yahoo currently has the following headlines:

"Palestinian leader Arafat in a coma."
"Human corpse to decompose on TV."

That's a bit harsh, even for me

186 CCR  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:40:44am

As to soundtracks for the fish's frying I nominate Hatikva.

187 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:42:09am

HULUGU, can you imagine? That Chirac is a disgusting human being. They held hands. Ugh.

188 # 17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:42:57am

Arafat's doctors in Fwance. Docteurs Levy and Cohen have just announced that he is having great difficulty in breathing. They are dancing on his oxygen tube.

189 dustyroadguy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:42:58am

Tenring

(+)

BullsEye...

190 logger phd  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:43:26am

Quickly edited from lyrics online:

(To the tune of "Ding Dong, the Witch is Dead")

Munchkins:
Ding Dong! The Fish is dead. Which old Fish? The Wicked Fish!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Fish is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Fish is dead. He's gone whime the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Fish is dead!

Mayor
As Mayor of the Munchkin City, In the County of the Land of Oz, I welcome you most regally.

Barrister
But we've got to verify it legally, to see

Mayor
To see?

Barrister
If he

Mayor
If he?

Barrister
Is morally, ethic'lly

Fathim No.1
Spiritually, physically

Fathim No. 2
Positively, absolutely

Munchkins
Undeniably and reliably Dead

Coroner
As Coroner I must aver, I thoroughly examined him.
And he's not only merely dead, he's really most sincerely dead.

Mayor
Then this is a day of Independence For all the
Munchkins and their descendants

Barrister
If any.

Mayor
Yes, let the joyous news be spread The wicked Old Fish at last is dead!

191 Lyana  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:44:39am

Here's what World Net Daily is saying:

A French-language Israeli newssite is reporting Yasser Arafat, leader of the Palestinian Authority, may have died of a heart attack.

The report is based on the Guysen Israel News' sources and is ''unconfirmed.''

''We do not have any more information on the state of Arafat,'' the latest report said. ''The news of his death is still not confirmed.''

192 Raposa  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:44:44am

#179, #180

Heh. You guys seem to get it.

Having Arafat gone will probably affect the world much in the same way as a good BM. It'll be a much nicer world afterwards, a bit more relaxed and freer.

193 Bob with one O  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:45:18am

If only a Palo civil war would remain in their own part of the world. But really, the Palo disease is like the old bad joke about VD- it's the gift that keeps on giving. Some diseases can't be contained and neither will a Palo civil war. Keep those helos warmed up IDF- you're gonna' need 'em.


Mommydoc,

You sound pretty chipper for having just come through the Inquisition.

: )

194 Smug Monkey  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:45:33am

All hail the wonders of *spit* french *spit* medical care!

195 SROSENYC  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:45:34am

You have to live there for a while to understand how amoral and cynical the French are. Unbelievable.

196 dustyroadguy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:46:05am

do you suppose the Baalistinians will display him in glass casket like the ruskies did lenin...

197 ashan  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:46:43am

Lots of clueless news sites have a "fishy" item - seemingly originating with the Associated Press or maybe al-Reuters - stating that Arafat Congratulates Bush, Touts 'Road Map'. Yeah, right. Is this some kinda weird Ramadanadingdong joke? The only "Road Map" Arafart's taking right now is the rocky road to hell. Hope its got lots of painful detours.

Read somewhere that Arafart has AIDS. His reported symptoms suggest that this might be possible. Better check all the "boys" in his entourage.

198 zygazint  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:46:58am

#115 LMAO

#172

This IS my BEST week EVER!!!

199 Rancher  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:47:30am

#115 Jed

And I had predicted he would go when Florida was declared. NM still can go either way but no one seems to care anymore. Any way Achla Kef!

200 Al-Qaeda for Kerry  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:47:52am

HAHAHA!! And anyone who watched the new South Park last night knows what happens to Arafat when he dies...ah, the cartoon image of it all is hilarious...

201 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:47:58am
It'll be a much nicer world afterwards, a bit more relaxed and freer.

So what's not to celebrate?!

202 sandspur  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:48:13am

32 Capt. Queeg

Happy Birthday!
Today is our wonderful First Lady's birthday, too.

203 logger phd  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:48:28am

#192 Raposa

Well put. This one needed a lot of fiber, though.

204 mrsoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:49:09am

Rot thou wretched pig. Slowly and in great pain. If he dies today it will be a holiday for all people-not just Jews-but everyone with a conscience.
Vex me not foul vermin-go to thy reward-
The demons of hell are awaiting thy stinky fishness.

God, who is sometimes a little slow on the uptake-is GOOD!

205 # 17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:49:25am

Apparently AFP reports Arafat has had a brain scan. They have not found anything.

206 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:49:35am

TenRing (#180)

But I cannot wish him, as a fellow human, anything other than a quiet death in the relative comfort of family.

I don't care about his quiet or comfort. He is directly responsible for countless violent and gory murders. He is directly responsible for ruining thousands of lives, families that will live in pain forever. He doesn't deserve peace.

207 hepcat  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:51:02am

THE SWARM IS COMING! THE SWARM IS COMING!

208 hector  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:51:17am

#121 Eugene McGovern

I like this one:

BLEEP. BLEEP. BLEEP. BLEEP. BLEEP.


BLEEE. ...

209 Doctor Phibes  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:51:38am

Play him some French pop music, that should be enough to make him lose the will to live.

210 jquinby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:51:53am

Drudge: Bush to speak at 11:05AM. Just a post-election press conference?

211 mrsoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:52:57am

Yo-Skippy
"Let's ease up on the schadenfreude here, please. Arafat deserves the eternity in hell for which he's destined, but I have no desire to engage in the virtual car-swarm that seems to be going on. We're better than they are."

Then don't join in-Personally I am enjoying the hell out of it!!

212 Loch Inkopf  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:53:01am

Sorry to put a damper on the whole proceedings, but I suddenly remembered Tito. When he died, the authorities were anxious not to let Yugoslavia slide into anarchy, and kept him on a life-support machine for - what? - something like six weeks, whilst they negotiated and plotted and manouevreds.

Someone tell me that the French government won't try to maintain their hold over the Arab world as long as possible by keeping Arafat's brain-dead AIDS-rotted carcase breathing for weeks... months... years. Someone please tell me I'm worrying over nothing, those terrible nice, moral Frenchmen wouldn't do that kind of thing... would they?

213 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:53:02am
214 MarkD33  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:53:41am

MSNBC is verbally reporting that Arafat is dead. No links, yet.

Forgive me is this has been posted already. I scanned the last 30 or so posts and didn't see it mentioned.

215 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:53:49am

It's a damned good thing he croaked in Frawnce rather than the US, which might well have happened if Algore had been President. Imagine the conspiracy theories.

I wonder if there will now be anti-French rioting in Paleo-land?

216 Model4  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:53:57am

We need both Bill and Hillary to be asked repeatedly when they're going to leave to see their good friend and his wife during their darkest hour (or better, funeral). Be sure and put up pics of the clasped hands, hugs, kisses, smiles and deep gazes they all shared together.

#134 Shira:

The Murderfish will certainly have a great deal to answer for when he gets to the other side.

Not if Allah's real.

217 Powderfinger  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:54:12am

It won't be a real hospital swarm unless someone lobs a hellfire in there. Is Chirac still there?

Get Rumsfeld on the phone.

218 ashan  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:54:35am

205 # 17

Apparently AFP reports Arafat has had a brain scan. They have not found anything.

LOL Of course they didn't find anything. Arafart never had anything!

219 zygazint  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:55:12am

A Terrorist at Twilight

November 4, 2004
[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

Arafat's number one reason for confidence: his command of the world
press. Israel may win battle after battle on the ground, but it is
losing the battle for global public opinion outside the United States.
>From the silence concealing Arafat's own personal corruption to the
suppression of unwanted images like those of Palestinians celebrating on
9/11, Arafat has cajoled and intimidated much of the world media into
covering the Middle East as he wishes it covered.

Likewise, Arafat has enjoyed amazing success in persuading the world's
governments to draw a distinction between al-Qaeda terrorism and his own
supposedly more acceptable brand. After the 9/11 attacks, the United
Nations adopted Resolution 1373 calling on all member states to suppress
terrorism. Yet European governments have acquiesced in the demands of
Islamic states to exempt terrorist acts carried out during an "armed
struggle for liberation and self-determination."


spit/gag

220 Teacake!  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:57:18am
as a fellow human,

he is not human, he is an evil being. Please get off your self-superior moral high horse.

221 hermes1LA  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:57:26am

After the attempted suicide, Sean "P. Diddy" Combs, the architect of "Vote or Die" has been rushed to the hospital in Paris, France.

He was lying next to Yasser Arafat, a former terrorist and protege of Saddam Hussein, who is presently the president of the Palestinian Authority.

P. Diddy, the self-proclaimed young black leader and a rap thug, shared his experience in the "Vote or Die" campaign and the importance of youth participation in the political life, especially in danger of the secret back-door draft.

Yasser Arafat, told P. Diddy about the long standing and successful "Rock or Die" campaign, where the Palestinian youth throw rocks at Israeli Nazis or die at the hands of f***ing Jews.

P. Diddy provided Yasser Arafat with secret documents obtained by CBS's Middle Eastern affiliate Al-Jazeera's sources in a horse market in Bagdad, about the November surprise dubbed as "Operation Outsource the Vote." Its shows an Israeli secret plan to institute a back door draft, and send unsuspected Palestinian youth to the mountains of Tora-Bora under the disguise of spreading the democracy in Afganistan.

After reviewing the secret documents, Yasser Arafat fell into coma

222 moonsbreath  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:57:53am

What's going on? Two wonderful glorious happenings in one month? Can it be Christmas in November?

Arafish...go...go to the big Allah-oop in the sky.

223 pwinWHOH  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:59:45am

So, Arafart is now on life support, having been in and out of coma 3x overnight. Kept on ice, for now, till they get a successor, then he can receive the final FRENCH Medical Care as Lady Di, and have similar results.

If the fool had been reasonable decades ago, he could have made friends, and resolved real issues, and been welcomed for REAL Medical Treatment here in the US, or in Britain, and possibly Canada, as choices 1,2,and 3. But now he could only have choices #47, France, or look at a hospital / clinic in Russia, if even welcomed. Since the Belsan terrorist attack, that may not have been an option.

224 Lyana  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:59:53am

#214 MarkD33

Confirmation is always good! But see post #s 153, 172, 173, 191


Peace for Palestine
Hope returns with death of Fish
Let the desert bloom

225 Smug Monkey  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:00:11am

Ashcroft out, Giuliani in?

Love it.


/fingers crossed

226 Mike in Boulder  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:00:32am

When he dies, I doubt you will see Israelis celebrating in the streets.

227 OODA Loop  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:00:56am

This looks promising:

C'est ce qu'affirme une source crédible auprès de laquelle Proche-orient.info s'est tenu au courant jour après jour de l'état de santé réel de Yasser Arafat, au delà des déclarations officielles et fallacieuses de ses représentants. Il semblerait qu'en cette après-midi du jeudi 4 novembre, il s'agissait pour l'équipe médicale de prendre la décision de mettre un terme à son maintien en survie artificielle.
228 mad_scientist  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:01:19am

Arafat dying... GOOD!! Will Castro be the next one to go?? Something definitely wrong with that guy. Anyone see him fall flat on his face after speaking a few weeks ago?

229 Lyana  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:02:14am

#222 moonsbreath

Well, it is Ramadan, after all - "the most wonderful time of the year"?

230 Bob with one O  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:02:14am

NO doubt about it, he was a foul human being. He is also about to meet his maker and the final judgement is His alone.

I also think letting his passing go quietly is a better insult to one who so basked in the world's attention.

There is much more work to be done here.

231 # 17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:02:39am

President Bush's press conference has been delayed. Apparently because Arafat has gone.

232 Fay  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:02:46am

I had to do a double take this morning when I heard the news anchor reporting on Arafarts worsening condition when she made reference to:

..since leaving his compound in Israel.

Has anyone else ever heard the media refer to Ramallah as being in Israel?

233 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:03:12am
234 hmmm  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:03:28am

wonder how the arab regimes will react!

who wil they want to install as their puppet successor?

they need someone intractable and stubbon in the extreme!

a radical too would be nice!

but not someone that they cant control !

the whole palestinian issue is too important for them to ignor as it is central to their rule!

how else to keep populations with decreacing standards of living off ones back!!

blame israel!!

so having someone to help do this and play the international powers off amongst themselves would be perfect for them!

235 Smug Monkey  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:03:42am

Actually, that looks *spit* fwench. *spit*

236 Laurence Simon  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:04:18am

If he's lingering in a coma, maybe there's hope that he can get a transplant from his brother to speed things along.

237 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:04:22am

Israel Radio just reported that Sharon says they won't let Arafat be buried in Israel, and certainly not in Jerusalem. Arafat wanted to be buried on the Temple Mount. The fact that he is apparently going to die in Fwance will make sure that the Paleo's cannot try to "non-violently" carry him into Jerusalem.

238 lazytart  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:04:57am

ULULULULULULUULULULULULULU

239 SROSENYC  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:05:03am

B'H!!!

240 Al-Qaeda for Kerry  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:05:10am

#235 Smug Monkey

Thanks for the suggestion to Charles with the crazy moonbat posts...one of the best threads yet...

241 Rancher  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:05:27am

#168 Raposa

more than likely?

242 PDM  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:05:33am

I hope all of the souls that he robbed of life meet him and escort him to the gates of Hell.
(okay, I don't really believe in gates of Hell, but it's the thought that counts)

BTW, I predicted ten plagues for Arafat. This one is Darkness.

243 moonsbreath  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:06:13am

#150 Raposa

Palestinians dancing in the streets makes it okay for us to do the same?
Well, I suppose so, if you're into that whole eye for an eye thing.

What part didn't you understand about "world's oldest living terrorist?"

So yes, I shall be a wittle piggy and dance.

244 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:06:46am

So much for that great medical care he received in Fwance.

Acoording to FoxNews.com, he's in a coma, but still managed to congratulate W on his victory. WTF?

245 leo (dissident view from Berlin)  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:06:47am

Too bad he can't keep his appointment with John Kerry tomorrow, on the sidelines of the collapsing Iran nuke negotiations that have been relocated from Vienna only for him:

TEHRAN (MNA) -- As new hopes have emerged for a conclusion of nuclear talks between Iran and the European Union, and as diplomats from Iran are preparing to hold a new round of talks with representatives from the EU trio in Paris on Friday, some contradictory statements by European officials may derail the entire process.

To me, today's Tehran Times looks like they have printed what was written in the anticipation of a John Kerry victory because the November surprise has hit them straight into the face. The French doctors can't find Arafats disease because at the core of his illness there is the knowledge that history will set the record straight and remember him as a failure from the beginning. The Bush doctrine was reloaded although they all thought it was just a bluff. Now the Iran nuke crisis can go to the UN Security Council, where there is one nation which has the capability to split the remaining four exactly half-in-half to lead global diplomacy out of the failure of multilateralism.

246 Renna  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:06:51am

So the next regular who pops in with a quick "Is he dead yet?" post, we can quickly all multipost "YES!!"?

247 Teacake!  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:07:31am

bury the bastard under the french west bank

248 dustyroadguy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:07:49am

smugmonkey

guliani- - former DA, mayor of NYC, the nations's mayor...

Not a bad idea...

249 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:08:03am

#4 WinShape

At least he lived long enough to see Bush get reelected.

Yeah, ain't it sweet?

250 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:08:08am

#230 Bob with one O

I also think letting his passing go quietly is a better insult to one who so basked in the world's attention.

Now that's an argument I can buy.

But, when the terrorist finally goes belly up, I'll fire my virtual AK47 and virtually ululate like all hell.

Apparently that's just like the "palestinians" going out into the street singing, dancing, and handing out candy after 3000 Americans were murdered on 9/11 ...

251 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:08:47am

He's dead?

252 Smug Monkey  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:09:40am

#240 Al-Qaeda for Kerry

Oh, my pleasure - thanks to Charles again for the site!

I'm certain I wasn't the only one... I'm still collecting favorites while dealing with some weird family issues.

253 PDM  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:10:07am

#244 Ward Cleaver,

Acoording to FoxNews.com, he's in a coma, but still managed to congratulate W on his victory. WTF?

The Palis are amazing that way. Even the dead get back up when they fall off of their stretchers.

254 dustyroadguy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:10:12am

ploomie...

are your sources good...

255 moonsbreath  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:10:30am

#244 Ward Cleaver

Acoording to FoxNews.com, he's in a coma, but still managed to congratulate W on his victory. WTF?

More likely he went into a coma after hearing W won.

256 zygazint  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:10:47am

#237

Wherever they bury him, I've got a red dress ready to donn so I can DANCE ON HIS GRAVE!

ULULULULULULULULULULULULULULULULU

I just love that Lazytart

What a wonderful week. I'm qvelling.

257 pwinWHOH  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:10:57am

Hey, since Arafart willl be "Checking out" soon, lets compile the list of these suspected "49 Virgins"
Let's see his "Dream -Virgins" HMMM...

Janet Reno
Rosie O'Donnel
Madeline (not so) Albright...

Who said they had to be dead? They just have to be his "Dream-queens".

258 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:11:03am
Arafat adviser Nabil Abu Rudeineh: PA Chairman in critical condition, but not comatose

Feh.

259 Renna  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:11:19am

Early reports say so. Most still just say coma.

260 Lyana  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:11:19am

#233 PLOOME!!!

(sorry, I was jumping up and down, trying not to scream and scare the kids...)

Where did they hear it from?!?

261 Teacake!  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:11:35am

radio news said, grave condition, hopefully that is literal.

262 Anna  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:12:40am

"He is in a coma." You mean he wasn't before? Oh Bush being re-elected probably gave him a heart attack like the RNC in NYC did to Clinton so the doctors put him under.

"Not received proper medical care..." You would think with over $4billion in embezzeled money he could afford a good hospital, pay for Michael Moore and Elizabeth Edwards to eat at an All-U-Can-Eat, and not be dependant upon French socialized free health-care. You would think.

Will the Muslims of Paris swarm the hospital when Arafish dies?

263 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:13:03am

Wow! Bush victorious and Arafat dead---the LLLosers are gonna think they've died themselves and gone to hell.

Now, if only Mike Al-Moor would have a heart attack and crush Robert Fisk when he falls over...

264 dustyroadguy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:13:16am

pwinWHOW

you forgot barbara...


she can sing 'what's new pussycat' for the Fish...

265 Frank IBC  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:13:38am

"He's alive, but unconscious."

"Just like Gerald Ford."

-Airplane

266 Solomon X  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:13:52am

No happy news yet on the Guysen News Ticker.

267 hmmm  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:13:58am

as things are going so well what do we want to occur next:

1. castro to bite the dust!

2. iran to revolt against their leaders and institute a peace loving democracy!

3. OBL to turn up in US hands!

4. insurgents in Iraq deciding to change targets to Assad's Syria!

5. a new non arab state in the Sudan!

or

6. Saudi Arabia deciding to drop Wahhabi islam as their national religion!

Damm all so tempting!!

268 Smit  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:14:21am

DEBKAfile reports: Arafat is sunk in coma on artificial respirator in intensive care unit of Paris hospital. Some members of his party have donned black suits. Palestinian leadership assembled in Ramallah to determine order of succession.

The final countdown.

269 Loch Inkopf  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:14:29am

Just heard that Arafat's condition is

very, very grave

[Link: www.irishexaminer.com...]


Please, God...

270 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:14:30am

#188 LMAO

Now..gimme a D

Gimme an E

Gimme an A

Gimme another D

What does it spell?

Dead! Dead! Dead dead dead!

271 dustyroadguy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:15:17am

Frank

Why ya gotta dis Gerry like that...

272 Golem Akbar  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:15:23am

Has the Pali civil war started yet? I see three sides fighting it out right now. Maybe there's more.

And yes, I would allow Arafat to be buried on the Temple Mount, as long as there is going to be a large funeral pyre; large enough to clear off the monstrocity that has been placed on the Mount.

273 lazytart  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:16:24am

IS HE DEAD OR NOT, DAMMIT?

I AM DYING!!

274 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:16:41am
Palestinian leadership assembled in Ramallah to determine order of succession.

Rock, paper, scissors?
Quick game of craps?
High card?
Russian roulette?
Eenie-meenie-minie-mo?

275 # 17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:17:18am

As Suha is not a Muslim, perhaps she is a Hindu and believes in Suttee ?

276 Shira  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:18:01am

C'mon, Murderfish, once in your life give decent human beings a reason to rejoice ... or at least heave a sigh of relief.

(I can't find the source right now, but there is an opinion in Jewish tradition that the death of the wicked is a relief to the world and a relief to them too.)

277 nachtwacht  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:18:22am

CHAIRMAN ARAFAT'S METABOLIC PROCESSES CEASE THREE HOURS AFTER MEETING TO DISCUSS IMPLICATIONS OF BUSH VICTORY BY FRENCH CABINET WAS CANCELLED IN PARIS.

NACHTWACHT SOURCES REPORT CHIRAC'S PRIVATE VISIT TO ARAFAT TEACHES REMAINING HEADS OF STATE OF ARAB LEAGUE AN IMPORTANT LESSON: SUBMIT AND BE QUIET.

WILL STILL RESISTING RIVALS DARE TO ENTER LION'S DEN TO ATTEND ARAFAT'S FUNERAL BENEATH ARC DU TRIOMPHE AND RISK SAME MEDICAL CARE?

KING ABDULLAH OF JORDAN AND EGYPTIAN PRESIDENT MUBARAK IMMEDIATELY ACCEPTED INVITATION. NACHTWACHT CAN NOW DISCLOSE FACE SAVING "NEGOTIATIONS" WERE COMPLETED BY DE VILLEPIN DURING RUN-UP TO FRANCO-AMERICAN WAR OVER IRAQ. LEADERS ARE EXPECTED TO PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE AND KISS FEET OF JACQUES THE MAGNIFICENT IN VERSAILLES.

/DEBKAfile pastiche

278 Bob with one O  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:18:23am

ploome,

LOL


Thom,

I didn't say I wouldn't feel some relief myself but I'm finding zero mention of successors. Would that list be the same as the IDF "fire at will" list?

279 Californican  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:18:39am

World Net Daily's report that Arafat is dead was dated October 9th.

280 Rang1995  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:18:40am

it was,is was,is AIDS..i have heard for months from intel ..thats why israel was told to lay off..oh my we have to watch the wailing in the streets..oh well to bad

yeah right

281 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:18:43am

From Ha'aretz:

Arafat is breathing with the help of a respirator and is not responding to medical treatment that is being administered. The source, a doctor in the hospital, claims that Arafat has no chance of coming out of the coma.

282 sandspur  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:19:02am

the President announces he is reaching out and first gesture is including Washington Press Corp.


Ha! Good one!

283 gm33  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:19:37am

#163: we aren't all bad.

There is still 37% of us that did the right thing

284 hmmm  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:19:48am

French Doctor: Arafat in an 'irreversible coma'

in jpost

285 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:20:46am

#274 Thom

They play "Baby You Can Drive My Car" and see who is the first to poo their pants.

286 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:21:12am
287 leo (dissident view from Berlin)  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:21:20am

Counting down for Comical Ali to appear on Jihad TV telling that Arafat is well and alive...

288 mommydoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:21:33am

Bob with one O (#193) It wasn't as bad as I was anticipating. That, or they were nice to me because I was the retarded kid. Either way, I am enormously relieved and celebrating by doing absolutely nothing this week but things I enjoy, like spending more time at LGF and dancing.

PDM (#253) ROTFLMAO! Your timing is impeccable.

289 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:21:59am

Update to an earlier speculation:

Arafat died peacefully in bed, but the Paleos will probably swarm some poor bastard's undamaged car just from force of habit.

290 Darwin Akbar  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:22:09am

I have big check to an Israeli charity waiting to go out today...Am working on my song parody (contributions are welcome)

Ding dong the Fish is dead
Which old Fish?
The Ara-Fish
Ding dong the wicked Fish is dead.

Wake up the mujadeen.
Put down those bombs.
Call Howard Dean.
Ding dong, the rotten Fish is dead...

a work in progress...

291 Lyana  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:22:35am

#273 lazytart

I hear you! I picked a really bad day to try cutting back on my LGF fixes...

I can stop anytime I want to - really, I can!

292 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:22:57am

Anyone watching Dubya on TV?

He's glowing...and every idiot keeps asking him about the Muddle East.

293 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:23:01am
294 Rancher  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:24:01am

#210 jquinby

Hopefully an announcement of the shock and awe due to hit Fallujah soon.

295 # 17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:24:56am

Arafat died six minutes ago. Confirmed by Israeli intelligence sources.

296 Shira  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:26:33am

#17, do you have a link? Other source? I'm on pins and needles here.

297 Atlas Wannabe  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:26:35am

This reminds of those family trips when I was a kid.

Mom - is he dead yet?

Mom - is he dead yet?

Is he dead now?

How long till he's dead?

Is he almost dead?

298 # 17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:27:13am

Shira Taamini li

299 jquinby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:28:27am

From Haaretz:

Radio Monte Carlo: Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat died several minutes ago (Channel 2)

300 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:29:09am
301 hmmm  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:29:23am

I don't think he stands a chance of getting up out of the coma," the source told French TV.

The source continued, "In the past three years, Arafat's health was neglected, and this is what brought on this deterioration."

so now we know who to blame!!

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

302 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:29:59am

#293 Iron Fist

How did I know you'd take that option? dB^þ

Well, that would be my first choice too. Last man standing gets to inherit the shithole arabfart left.

#278 Bob with one O

I didn't say I wouldn't feel some relief myself but I'm finding zero mention of successors. Would that list be the same as the IDF "fire at will" list?

Surely even they aren't that stupid. Maybe some bland lackwit like Qurei (or however his name is spelled).

303 # 17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:29:59am

300 Yes that's what I said. And I'm high at the moment

304 Shira  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:30:25am

Be-simhah, #17. Be-simhah.

Sof sof.

(Translation: Gladly, #17, gladly. Finally.)

306 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:30:33am

#293 Iron Fist

"I vote for Russian Roulette. I'll personally supply the AK-47 and ammo ;-P"

"What? I thought you said one blank and twenty-nine live rounds, not the other way around."

307 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:30:34am

So in the next few weeks we will have the Democratic civil war in America and the paleostinian civil war in the Middle East.

Not bad at all.

Aloha Snackbar !!!

308 Pitiricus  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:31:22am

It seems Jacques Iraq went to visit him...

From [Link: abcnews.go.com...]

In the afternoon, French President Jacques Chirac went to the Percy Military Training Hospital outside Paris, where the 75-year-old Palestinian leader has been since last Friday. Chirac, who arrived in a motorcade of several cars and did not speak to reporters, "saw Yasser Arafat and his wife, to whom he expressed his best wishes," the president's office said...

The French are really arab whores!

309 Bob with one O  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:31:44am

Writermom,

It's on C-span.

310 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:32:08am

Israel Radio just reported that Israel TV Channel 2 reports that he's dead but that it's "unconfirmed."

311 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:32:53am

Should we expect an hospital-swarm in Paris ?
All the muslims will run there an tear the corpse into pieces ?
That would be nice !!!

312 hmmm  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:33:43am

Question:

who is the oldest terrorist in the world now?

313 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:33:43am

If they bury Arafart's corpse in Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas, outside the back of one of the whorehouses in "Boy's Town" (back in the day I did not attend church, nor practice my faith, so yes, I know about "Boystown") it would provide the opportunity for some of the prostitutes to give up "the life" by allowing them to work as ticket takers for the people lining up to urinate on his grave.

Sounds like a win/win to me.


And it would only be about a 5 hour drive from Houston.

314 Hila  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:34:13am

The Israeli TV announced that "it" is dead.

315 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:34:26am

Army Radio in Israel saying French and London sources say DEAD!

316 QueenEsther  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:34:31am

#69 Raposa

Really, I can spare a little sympathy for a guy dying while surrounded by enemies and allies, but no friends. I don't think a single human loves him.

Don't go singing "I'm so ronery" -- Arafart had a 30 minute visit from Chirac this morning, so said CNN today.
___

*is he dead yet?* *is he dead yet?*

317 Renna  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:34:56am

I just had a horrible thought. We banned human cloning in the US, but aren't folks working on that in Europe?

318 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:35:12am

MAZAL TOV!

319 Jean  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:35:27am

Bloomberg radio announces Arafish is brain dead.

320 # 17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:35:27am

L'Chaim

321 littleoldlady  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:35:30am

Thank you Hila!

322 Lyana  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:35:56am

#279 Californican

D'OH! Sorry about that (to all) and thank you - maybe I ought to add a corolary to Iron Fist's rule for posting - if you're so happy you can't see straight, you're to excited to post!

#297 Atlas Wannabe

My - you must have had some interesting family trips!

/slowly backing away

323 QueenEsther  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:36:04am

DEBKA:

Paris Proche Orient Info has just reported: Arafat died a few minutes ago. Radio Monte Carlo: Arafat is clinically dead.
324 greenmamba  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:36:31am

Talk station just cited 2 sources saying he is dead.

Wonder if he ever gave the bank account details. There was a story that he did not and the Pali admin could not be paid.

325 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:36:31am

#319 Jean, thanks...we knew that-we were just waiting for his stinky body to follow that lead.

326 Hila  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:37:12am

#321 littleoldlady

Let's party! :-)

327 Frank IBC  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:38:00am

Bloomberg radio announces Arafish is brain dead.

"How could they tell the difference?"

-Dorothy Parker

who is now the world's oldest terrorist?

I believe that would be Ahmad Al-Khifa, 17, of Khan Yunis.

328 littleoldlady  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:38:01am

I have not been taught by my religion nor by my cultural upbringing to "turn the other cheek". I feel no compunction at all about celebrating the death of the Spawn of Amalek, Evil itself, who was personally responsible for the murder of so many innocents. The world is a far better place without him.

If that offends...well, so be it.

That being said...CHOCOLATE ANYONE!?

329 Pitiricus  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:38:26am

Queen Esther... Same news in NRO...

Praise the Lord... The murderer is dead!

330 jquinby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:38:26am

Al Arabiyeh: Palestinian PM Ahmed Qureia, Arafat advisor Mohammed Rashid deny reports that Arafat is dead (Haaretz)

Is Comical Ali working for Al-Arabiyeh these days?

331 Smit  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:38:54am

Debka

Paris Proche Orient Info has just reported: Arafat died a few minutes ago. Radio Monte Carlo: Arafat is clinically dead.

He's not only merely dead, he's really most sincerly dead.

332 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:39:21am

#317 Renna

Don't worry, vampires can't be cloned because they are made of dead cells.

333 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:39:29am

Land Down Under
by "Doug_from_Upland" at Free Republic

MIDI SITE

LAND DOWN UNDER

It is time that he finally checked out
It's a shame it wasn't decades sooner
He was a man who was so truly evil
The news came on my FM tuner

Yasser's gone to the place down under
Where's all the virgins he wonders
Yasser's gone to the place down under
Refusing peace had been a big blunder

That guy had been the scum of the earth
I know that this may sound scary
I had never thought I could say this
That Arafat might have been worse than even John Kerry

He's gone to the place down under
Where's all the virgins he wonders
Yasser's gone to the place down under
Refusing peace had been a big blunder

(musical break)

That guy had been the scum of the earth
I know that this may sound scary
I had never thought I could say this
That Arafat might have been worse than even John Kerry

He's gone to the place down under
Where's all the virgins he wonders
Yasser's gone to the place down under
Refusing peace had been a big blunder

He's gone to the place down under
Where's all the virgins he wonders
Yasser's gone to the place down under
Refusing peace had been a big blunder

He's gone to the place down under
Where's all the virgins he wonders
Yasser's gone to the place down under
Refusing peace had been a big blunder

334 Pitiricus  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:39:52am

Alleluiah!

335 littleoldlady  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:40:08am

Hila! A whole bag of Hershey's Nuggets for you!

336 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:40:11am

New thread!

New thread!

New thread!

337 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:40:12am

If Arafart did have AIDS, he certainly could have afforded the anti-retroviral drug cocktail that allows HIV positive people to live for a decade or more after infection.

Andrew Sullivan has HIV, and I believe I heard him report he is in better health now than when he was positive.

Of course, perhaps hepatitis contracted the same way he could have become HIV+ might have helped do him in, and the HIV drugs may have even accelerated his liver failure.

338 Bob with one O  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:41:13am

Aaron over at Internet Haganah has an article about the Fish and his money (dated yesterday):

[Link: haganah.us...]

339 Solomon X  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:41:22am

Listening to the President, reading about the death of the Fish, I feel very warm and fuzzy. The storm has passed and the sun is shining bright!

340 Matthew  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:41:51am

Arafat declared clinically dead a few minutes ago.

FYI.

341 ashan  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:43:00am

Israel's Channel 2 news reports Radio Monte Carlo announcement that the fish has died. Lots of reports on Channel 2 - Ronnie Daniel and Ehud Yaari giving lots of great reports. Palithugs are in deep denial. What a week! This is the cherry on top! Tonight we're celebrating Bush's victory and Arafart's demise. Bring on the suds!!!

342 Amy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:43:12am

Coach #16 -

That was my exact thought - the Fwench are already setting Israel up to take the blame when the Fish croaks while under Fwance's tender loving care, just in case some unreasonable Islamofascists decide to take it out on them.

343 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:44:49am

It's on JPost now. He's dead!

344 paxnhymn  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:45:50am

To all my Jewish brother & sisters on LGF

As a Christian, I share in your joy at the death of the notorious terrorist Yassar Arafat. God is just, and I only hope that he was in pain to the last. Israel has suffered long at the hands of that murderous bastard.

Having said that, I would love it if many of us would email at least Fox News (the big 3 won't respond) and ask them not to televise what is obviously going to be a state funeral for a known thug! Maybe public pressure will keep us from having to see the ultimate car swarm, and all of the ULULULULLULULUL crap from ugly big nosed women in Burkhas and no make up...

345 The Monster  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:45:57am

AP reporting he's dead. Netcraft has not yet confirmed it.

346 Shira  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:46:00am

Yup. JPost finally got it. REPORTS: YASSER ARAFAT IS DEAD.

(Sorry for the caps; just quoting what I saw.)

347 scrapiron  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:46:34am

Yipee!!!

Bush re-elected, Arafat dead. Things are shaping up just nicely.

348 cathyf  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:46:38am

#216 Model4

#134 Shira:
The Murderfish will certainly have a great deal to answer for when he gets to the other side.

Not if Allah's real.

Yeah, am I the only one out there who looks at the claims of Islam and says, "If that's all true, I'd rather go to hell, thank you very much..."

cathy :-)

349 PDM  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:47:46am

#288 mommydoc,

Your timing is impeccable.

Yasser's timing is pretty good too, croaking after a Bush victory.
Earlier would have been nicer, but there are still plenty of blessings to count.

350 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:48:17am
351 littleoldlady  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:48:22am

George Bush at his news conference: "God bless his soul"

352 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:48:35am

LeMonde is reporting that the filthy bastard is finally belly up.

I'll save my ammo and ululations for the new thread.

But, for now, can we do that hava nagila thing?

I don't know what "hava nagila" means, but it's one of the happiest songs I've ever heard...

353 mommydoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:48:43am

I'm having trouble controlling my fit of the giggles reading all the conflicting reports of his condition coming from the various paleo sources. He's dead, he's not in a coma or even in the ICU, he's critical, etc.

Once again, showing their incredible lack of organization for anything except killing Jews.

It's like a montage of the Monty Python parrot routine, Tito and SNL on Generalisimo Francisco Franco.

So far I apparently have 2/3 of my hoped-for November trifecta nailed. I'm feeling even better about #3. Thank you, God.

354 annelid[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:49:08am
355 HULUGU  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:49:26am

oy--bush had to say--"god bless his soul"--politics makes strange benediction fellows

356 William the Barbarian  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:49:43am

All LGFers are invited to my house for cigars and candy.

Let's PARTY!! DANCING IN THE STREETS!

357 Teacake!  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:50:01am

Why did GW look actually sad when hearing such joyous news? That made me very nervous.

358 Jeeves  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:50:19am

What does a "Palestinian State Funeral" look like? Where do you hold such a thing? Will Jacques Chirac deliver the eulogy? I'm so confused.

359 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:50:23am

#351 littleoldlady

Yeah, the way he said it though was more like "May God have mercy on his soul" ... which is what they say to condemend criminals.

FWIW.

360 a.k.a. Will  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:51:20am

A very short radio report on Arafat's condition just used the term "clinically dead."

361 ashan  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:51:54am
bush had to say--"god bless his soul"--politics makes strange benediction fellows

Would he say the same for OBL? I think not. This is the learning disability showing through. ouch.

362 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:53:10am

11/04 18:30
REPORTS: ARAFAT DECLARED BRAIN DEAD

11/04 15:30
No chance for Arafat to emerge from coma

363 paxnhymn  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:53:45am

353 mommydoc

pardon my ignorance...what's #3?

364 vickie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:53:54am

No I dont think so Mr. President. Not "G-d Bless His Soul"...DAMN his murdereous soul to HELL where it belongs. Its Leon Klinghoeffer that the President should bless NOT his killer.

And the little Jewish boy that came to Israel from the US that was playing in a cave that was SLAUGHTERED by Pals.

The young Pal. Children that do what there PARENTS tell them to do that have died. I feel sorry for them as well. They dont know any better, SOME of them.

365 littleoldlady  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:54:09am

#359 Thom,

It's okay. Saying what he said IS part of GWB's religious/cultural upbringing. Probably more reflexive than anything else.

366 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:54:15am

Just a small pity he died with all appendages attached and no hot pieces of metal penetrating his body...

367 Bob with one O  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:54:24am

What pax said (me too).

368 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:54:28am
French hospital spokesman: Arafat`s medical situation is complex, he is not dead

His condition is nuanced.

369 PDM  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:54:30am

            DEAD !!!

370 Dan Tanna  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:54:41am

G-D rest his soul???

Stop being so damn diplomatic!!!

This devil was a killer...and had tons of blood on his hands.

Terrorfat will receive the divine punishment, and I doubt his soul will be resting much.

I love you Mr. Bush...but wrong choice of words.

371 Fay  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:55:53am

#359 Thom

Thanks for your take on that, it makes it easier for me to understand. Didn't Bush also say "we're still commited to the roadmap?"

Oh and HOORAYHOORAYHOORAYHOORAY!

Rot in hell you fucking barbarian and I hope that "wife" of yours never got to the bank accounts.

372 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:56:08am
Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker says PA Chairman Arafat died 15 minutes ago

Al Arabiyeh: Ahmed Qureia, Mohammed Rashid deny reports that Arafat is clinically dead

Radio Monte Carlo: Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat is dead

Radio Monte Carlo: PA Chairman Arafat is clinically dead; Sources in Paris: Arafat is dead

Arafat adviser Nabil Abu Rudeineh: PA Chairman in critical condition, but not comatose

LOL. Can somebody find a story and stick to it?

373 AW  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:56:09am

CNN intl, Sky News, BBC all running the same headline:

BREAKING NEWS: Arafat is not dead.

LOL

374 mommydoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:56:09am

paxnhymn (#363) Passing the oral exam for my specialty boards, which I suffered through stood for on Monday.

375 Cy_Kologis  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:56:35am

Just heard on the president's news conference a reporter asking for Bush's reaction now that Arafat has passed away.

Bush said, "My first reaction is God bless his soul. My second reaction is that we will continue working to bring about a peaceful independent Palestinian state."

376 Fuad Al'Razi  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:56:56am

Fellow Posters:

As an ex-Muslim, this is extremely good news. The originator of modern terrorism is dead.

Good riddance.

Best Regards,
Fuad.

377 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:57:28am

PDM, what a gorgeous graphic :-)

378 Gruen  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:58:17am

The report is "He is brain dead" which we always knew!!

Either way, it's over.

379 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:59:00am

I'm a little sad if Bush actually said that.


Well, I think the Pope, Archbishop of Canterbury, an entire Wiccan coven and that Rabbi from Tikkun could all say that, and unless the Arafart had a miracle death bed conversion (unlikely), he is on the express train to Hades, where he'll share a semi-molten stalagmite through his torso with Hitler and Mohammad.

380 Dave Bender  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:59:18am

Israeli Army Radio reports:

Belgian official at EU minister's meeting: Arafat dead, Army Radio reports.

Palestinian and Israeli Arab MK sources: Not so fast, there.

Israeli correspondent in US: State is calling the French for accurate details, instead of Palestinians.

What an evening here in Jerusalem...

Dave

381 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:59:27am

Here's a tune to go with the news, everyone sing and dance:

Hava Nagila!

(basically means, come rejoice-get up and dance, come brothers, join the circle and rejoice).

382 Athos  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:00:28am

The Jerusalem Post is also reporting that Arafat has died - they are getting this from French media sources and report that the fish was unplugged Thursday evening. French Sources say Arafat Died in Paris Hospital

The Telegraph says a French hospital spokesman is saying Arafat is still alive - and Palestinian PM Queria denies reports that Arafat is clinically dead.

This really has the makings of an excellent week.

I can envision the Palestinians accompanying Arafat keeping him plugged on live support until the power vacumn battles end.

383 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:00:47am
384 Fay  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:01:01am

#372 zulubaby

LOL. Can somebody find a story and stick to it?

They have obviously been watching the Kerry campaign too closely.

FLIP
FLOP

385 Crusader  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:01:22am

"I'm a little sad if Bush actually said that."

Bush is a poker player. His cards have no value if he spouts off like we'd like him to.

Bush has 4 years to play these cards--and in the end, he'll do what's right by Israel.

386 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:01:24am

Oh yah...and wrap him in Le Monde.

387 Rev. Churchmouse  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:01:29am

Dan Rather says he is stil alive- seriously!

388 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:01:36am

I love Hava Nagila. WriterMom, everyone, let's do the hora!

389 a.k.a. Will  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:01:56am

I think the phrase W might have intended to use was, "God have mercy on his soul," the prayer for those about to be executed.

390 stanlef  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:01:58am

Arafat--> France
France has socialized Medicine...
Arafat promptly fails and (according to rumor) dies...

Hillarycare = death...

/moans

391 Smit  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:02:16am
Israel's Channel Two television cited unnamed sources in Paris saying that Arafat underwent a brain scan and was found to be "no longer alive."

Arafat Reported Clinically Dead

Can't they just do an autopsy to confirm it?

392 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:02:52am
393 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:02:54am

Dead? He's in "stable condition," floating peacefully at the top of the tank.

Get the net!

394 BarCodeKing  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:02:58am

I read that the Palestinians denied he was in a coma, so I said to myself, "If they're denying it, then of course he MUST be in a coma." And sure enough...

Now the Palestinians are denying that he is dead... What does that tell us?

FNC is saying that their sources are saying that Arafat is still alive... We shall see...

395 paxnhymn  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:03:38am

374mommydoc

dooh...should've known. I've been out of circulation a while. Up until 1998 I wasa NICU nurse( neuro-CNRN). I remember our critical care boards...sucked. Did it for 8 years...my dad died in the unit...then the burnout was too much! I hate health care! Not the patients..loved em! It was the nurses, and some of the other professionals! CUTTHROATS! It was like a bunch of cats in a barrel, trying to claw each others eyes out. Now I am in inventory/ logistics and the most stress I have is with our Chinese suppilers...


My heart goes out to you...God's blessings!

396 Dan Tanna  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:04:02am

This reminds me of the old Soviet Union.

They say the leader has the sniffles...then all of sudden we find out that the supreme leader has assumed room temperature.

397 Perpetual Student  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:04:30am

#361 ashan

Would he say the same for OBL? I think not.

...not before his being awarded a Nobel Peace Prize, anyway.

398 vickie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:04:35am

If you havent noticed...Second Termism is here. In the Second Term all Presidents are encouraged to STICK IT TO THE JEWS. You heard Tony Blair and now the Press in goating him to go after Israel and make Israel DO what America wants.

Lets just see. Lets see how many NeoCons are going to be left in that Administration in a DIRECT POLICY Position. How many NeoCons left that will be able to GET TO the President. If you cant get to the President...doesnt matter if you are there . You are just there for cosmetic reasons.

Why is the US helping to form yet another Western Defined Arab State in the first place? (So called Palistine will be illegal in many Arab eyes making this situation go on and on) The US promised Jews for 30 years that they would NEVER support a Pal State. The Pal State is already here..Its called JORDAN. For those just new to the situation...that is the true history.

Did violence WIN in the end? If it did should Israel change course and do what the Pals have been doing? Seems to work for them just fine.

399 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:04:38am

I hope they do the garlic and wooden stake thing, and bury him at a crossroads, just to be on the safe side

400 Jean  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:04:42am

This is so funny. They are not ready for him to be dead so they are trying to postpone the news while they engage in a power struggle.

401 QueenEsther  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:04:49am

CBS News is saying PA authorities is saying Arafart is not dead. I guess they'll just just prop him up like a scarecrow.

A co-worker just told me that she JUST heard on NPR report from the hospital that he's getting better.

I couldn't agree more -- he's DEAD. What could be better than that?!

402 Dan Tanna  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:05:24am

#393

Thanks...I just blew my coffee all over my desk.

403 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:05:30am

#388 zulubaby

I'm burning holes thru the Manolos...

404 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:05:35am
France has socialized Medicine...


As it is, they won't get around again to check him for three and a half years.

405 ErnieG  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:05:49am
Israel's Channel Two television cited unnamed sources in Paris saying that Arafat underwent a brain scan and was found to be "no longer alive."

Arafat Reported Clinically Dead

I am glad to hear that his condition is improving.

406 Lyana  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:06:01am

#365 littleoldlady

I always heard that "Bless your heart" was the southern equivalent of "FOAD"...

407 André  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:06:14am

For what it's worth, the hospital has just confirmed that Arafat is NOT dead. That was at 6:02pm EST.

I think good old Yasser is starting to have second thoughts about having to account for his actions...he is hanging on!

Man, for once that he has a chance to make us all happy by croaking the day after Bush wins by a landslide, he just refuses to die!

408 Yishai  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:06:18am

#370 Dan Tanna

It really bothered me the way that reporter blindsided Dubya. "I know you haven't heard yet, but...Arafish kicked the bucket"

G.W. handled it great. He handled it like a pro. He handled all of those one-sided, accusitory questions without pause, even throwing in some humor for good measure. I love this guy.

FO MO!

409 Psion  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:06:29am

French President Jacques Chirac went to the hospital and saw Arafat and his wife, "to whom he expressed his best wishes," Chirac's office said. The president also met members of the Palestinian Authority and doctors "who are doing everything possible for the health of the president," Chirac's office said.

The visit lasted about 30 minutes. Chirac did not speak to reporters.

Palestinian Leader Yasser Arafat Dies-- Deutsche Welle

Sof sof!

410 Atlas Wannabe  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:06:32am

In my best soup nazi imitation...

"No State for You!"

411 littleoldlady  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:06:52am

Ya see? Those of us who've been asking "Is he dead yet?" over and over should NOT have been laughed at.

FOXnews says he's still alive - they think.

412 PDM  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:07:26am

#377 zulubaby,

Thanks. Bold, black, and white, no need for nuance there. :)
I'll put another one in the official dead thread when it goes up.

413 Dan Tanna  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:08:12am

Ahmed...Ahmed...did you get the secret code for the swiss account?

Thats all they care about...then they will flush the fish down the drain and get back to business...killling Jews and other innocents.

414 ExitRamp  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:08:21am

He's Thrown in the Towel!

... or was he still wearing the baseball cap?

415 jillosophy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:08:29am

If indeed in the last conscious moments of his life he understood that Bush is alive and thriving and will go on for four more years... then that just puts the icing on the cake of my day... I hope as a Bush supporter that my vote helped kill Yasser. I have a feeling that we are approaching a turning point. SAddam will be sentenced to an exact punnishement, OBL knows the end is coming - he sees his empire of terror deteriorating like his own face is. And Yasser will die any minute now.
I say closure is closer and closer every day. May still take a year or more, but I can feel the momentum building.
WE ARE WINNING!!!

416 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:08:43am

Does alive include being bagged?

Doncha think they are just buying time?

417 alkmyst  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:08:49am

So, what is the true wording of Sharon's promise to let him back into Israel? Wasthere any mention on whther or not a LIVE Arafat would be let in, if so,

WE DON'T HAVE TO IMPORT A CORPSE!!!

418 rosh  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:09:27am

ugh the French are denying he's dead

419 André  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:09:53am

So officially (see [Link: www.lemonde.fr)...] his situation has become "more complex".
I think Arafat's doctors and helpers are taking the time to watch "weekend at Bernie's" to see how they can maintain the illusion that the fish is still alive!

420 HULUGU  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:10:30am

#361--not true--ubl has no political legacy or potential state which must be compromised with--bush has to work with the farts followers--so he can't be mean-spirited--grow up and live in the real world

421 PDM  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:10:39am

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

French Doctors Say Arafat's Alive

That means he's DEAD!

422 doppelganglander  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:10:40am

#373: Makes me think of the old SNL running joke -- Francisco Franco is still dead. I hope old Yasser becomes a similar running joke.

423 AW  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:11:50am

Don't get your hopes up folks. The french doctors just said that he's alive.

He'll never be able to harm anyone again, that's what really matters.

424 FrankNH  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:12:06am

Looks like they're going to try a repeat of "Weekend at Bernie's".

425 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:12:45am

I'm glad I am not one of those doctors: how do you decide when a zombie is "dead" ? he has never been alive, there is no change when he "dies".

426 Tumulus11  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:14:04am

. Satan to Yasser:

Take your time. I'll wait.

427 AW  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:14:17am

#414 ExitRamp

He's Thrown in the Towel!

ROFL!

428 moonsbreath  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:14:56am

This feels like the "global test" of death.

429 Judith  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:15:07am

Bush "G-d bless his soul" out loud, silently to self "because that *&^$(! is going to need all the help he get when he he gets to the pearly gates."

or possibly "to the enternity in hell he deserves"

What a happy happy day!

430 hmmm  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:15:56am

what i think is the best thing to happen is that the old fart - though being so many years with us - failed to make himself a martyr!

failure in life therefore!

maybe they are keeping him clinicaly alive so that they can put him in a wheelchair and get a young palestinian to wheel his bomb strepped body to the nearest Israeli embassy and so go out with a bang - and not as now - one coddled by loving french hands!!

as the BBC would say - i cant believe no one in Rammala is crying for him!!

431 Judith  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:16:48am

This is better than a Rachel Corie thread!

432 bpolsky  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:16:55am

Reuters says otherwise...Arafat reportedly DEAD!

Probably as a result of the re-election of Bush!

433 mommydoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:17:06am

paxnhymn (#395) Thanks for your good wishes. I totally understand your burnout; the politics/difficult personalities that sometimes interfere with excellent patient care are what frustrate me, too. That, the increasing bureaucracy of managed care, and (to a lesser extent) the forced multiculturalism/political correctness. But I still love it.

Ed Moran (#399) Hilarious!

Atlas Wannabe (#410) You owe me a new monitor!

434 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:17:28am

#422,

This just in... Sheik Yassin is still dead.

Meanwhile, Yasser Arafat is pining for the fjords.

435 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:17:41am
436 HULUGU  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:17:48am

is it true they caught mohammid dahlen sneaking into his room with a pillow? is it true that zapatera has offered to send the drs. in spain who treated franco to paris? has the pa contracted with the embalmers from lenin's tomb to set up a terrorland exhibit in ramallah? huh huh

437 Condor  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:17:48am

Or as John Kerry said on hearing the news, "He was dead before he decided not to be dead", but "his condition is subject to nuanced interpretations".

438 littleoldlady  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:18:06am

Jennifer Griffin (I don't like her) on FOX...

They won't announce Arafat's death for 72 hours after the fact to "prepare the Palestinian people".

I'm going out to get more chocolate. It's gonna be a long weekend.

439 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:18:36am

#428,

LOL!

440 hmmm  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:18:38am

there will be parties in Lebanon and Jordan today!!

they wont miss him!

nor will any of the people who count in the middle east!!

441 Fay  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:19:08am

CNN reporting that he'll probably be buried in Gaza where he was born. LIARS.

Jimmy Carter has apparently said he would like to attend the funeral, maybe he can hold hands with Kofi and Chirac to form a circle of mourning.

Spit.

442 'sugarcoat'  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:19:13am

Don't know if this has been said, but you people and your photoshopping (darn you all to heck!)-

Have me imagining him on his side, still with his chapeau, in pajamas, floatiing on his side in a giant goldfish bowl, making that 'gulping' face that fish do.

443 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:19:21am

He's Schrodinger's cat dead.

444 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:19:43am

Pancakes all around...

445 vickie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:20:45am

Course it is the Jooosss fault cause they didnt let him get propper Medical Attention.

We need a Jew or a friend of Jews and Israel IN that French hospital to get ahold of Arafats blood samples and find out if indeeed he had Aids. Its possible. Very possible.

Some have asked why Arafat didnt go to a Islamic Country to be attended to. That IS a interesting question. Many Arab Countries have fine hospitals set up for their big wigs. All the newest bells and whistles..Their own Drs..(no Arabs arent inherently stupid..waaay far from it). IF he Aids..he wouldnt want to go near an Arab Country to allow his Aids to be discovered by fellow Islamists.

446 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:21:12am

littleoldlady (#438)

Jennifer Griffin (I don't like her)

Me neither. Would it kill them to get a decent reporter?

447 nachtwacht  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:21:12am

And now, get the f**k out of Europe. Foreign Minister Bot hasn't given you French bastards permission to smuggle in terrorists. It was a stupid, illegal, unilateral move, completely at odds with International Law and failing every international test.

Oh yes, take the Moroccans with you, please.

448 moonsbreath  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:21:47am

Where's PETA when you need them? It's cruel to put a fish on life support.

Pffft.

449 Bo  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:21:52am

Gotta love that French medical talent-- first they kill Pierre Salinger, now Arafatty...can we send them Michael Moore for some weight loss therapy?

450 mommydoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:22:21am

Just refreshed the JPost page that headlined with French Media: Arafat is Dead and now it says Hospital Officials: Arafat is Not Dead.

It's actually becoming hilarious watching them step all over their own d**ks trying to spin this.

We're now officially watching the show Deathwatch. Like Baywatch, only without anyone remotely attractive.

451 dustyroadguy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:22:33am

fox news...

"he died before they kept him alive"

Baalistinians need time to prepare...

452 Teacake!  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:22:36am

I dunno, the look on GW's face appeared sad, like he lost a friend. SOmethings fishy here.

453 paxnhymn  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:23:03am

425 Poiters

unfortunately, with modern medicine, as long as the heart, lungs, & liver functions marginally, they can keep the Fish dead-in-the-bed on life support until all the other organs literally fall off...

I bet that's the plan, to maintain control of the PA.

454 David2  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:23:20am

I still say he died at the same moment the President was reelected. And it is a sign from God. But maybe he is still alive. It's all very fishy.

455 David All  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:23:31am

Just had to say this:
Latest annoucement from Paris:

Chairman Yssair Arafat is STILL Dead

Hat Tip to SNL and Generalissmo Francisco Franco

456 HULUGU  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:24:03am

fox news--drs. baffled at his medical condition--giant aids bug jumps out of the fish's stomach and bites off the head of the attending physician who also is president of the french humanitarian medical society--"medicins sans tetes" a/k/a "doctors without brains"

457 Bo  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:24:04am

Tacake-- he was looking down, biting his tongue to keep from giggling...might look like sorrow from the outside.

458 GoatGuy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:24:20am

AIDS

Think it through:

Had his current condition been

• Leukemia
• Hepatitis
• Renal Failure
• Cancer
• Acute blood poisoning
• Influenza
• Gianne-Beret
• Acute food poisoning

or a whole host of other diseases that cause sudden weight loss, consciousness loss, 'untreatable' conditions...

The condition would have been announced. Saves a whole lot of face to name the disease, to admit that it is all quite mysterious and serious, and get on with the process of watching an old ur-statesman kick the bucket.

But AIDS? Human Immuno-Virus? The "Gay" disease? Ohhh, now that would be particularly bad mojo. I mean for a guy that implicitly orchestrated the Munich Massacre, then got the fvcking Peace Prize, then orchestrated the first and second Intifadas -- after jilting the Camp David Summits and subsequent Middle-East Peace Road Map ... to have gotten the "gay" disease? I'm not sure that even the Pope would be amused. Certainly not the Palestinian on the Street.

Yet what else could it be? Oh, I'm sure the French will come up with all sorts of "causes" for death: runaway enteric bacteria infection of the left underfarkel, pneumonia complicated by emphysema, acute renal and hepatic failure, blah blah blah. Just like how it is reported on U.S. death certificates when a person with cancer finally succumbs.

But underlying ALL that is the one real cause: immune system failure. Can't fight the bugs that are attacking him. Odd, that a perfectly virule old fish would suddenly have profound immune system failure. Odd indeed.

The old Bugger has HIV, and AIDS. The French are good at keeping secrets though, so his passing will be blamed on his poor health-care in the last 3 years of self-earned seige at the hands of the Israelis. A "martyr" to the end, I guess.

May the most 'butch' virgin camels and goats be your playpen's house-guests, Oh Terrorist Who Got The Nobel Prize".

GoatGuy

459 # 17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:24:27am

It is vitally important to know when he died. If it was before nightfall, then yesterday will be celebrated as a Jewish holiday. If after nightfall, then tomorrow would be the holiday.

Well never mind, we'll celebrate both (Sfaika D'yomo)

460 Globular Cluster  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:24:59am

Mommydoc,

Yeah, because he was getting care from his own pathetic people, who have squandered their lives and professions on Jew-hatred, instead of developing a decent medical system. Compare that with Israel, who has gone on, despite the constant and incessant threat of extinction, to build a health care system that is second to none, not even the US. Had he not dedicated his life to trying to destroy Israel, he could have gotten the best medical care in the world. But the Jews will be blamed nonetheless.

Bingo,

Instead of traveling to France to be treated by Arab quacks, he could have travelled 5 miles to Hadassah.

You makes your choices, you takes your chances.

461 mommydoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:25:48am

Define "dead."

I guess this is more French nuance. Something we idiot Americains can't understand.

Either he's dead or he ain't.

462 William the Barbarian  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:25:53am

Is so hard to get any work accomplished. Reading about the arafasshole's demise is so much more interesting!!

463 PDM  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:27:16am

Dead or dying (and I'm banking on dead) at least he's not on Jewish land. And, even better that he's in the hands of the French. It just doesn't get any sweeter.

464 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:27:24am

The President's remarks, while disappointing to us cold-blooded lizardoids, are in keeping with his faith.

It'd be unseemly for our President to behave the way we've been doing... that's why we've got to hold up our end!

America, F*ck Yeah!

465 Judith  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:27:26am

I'm so confused. First he's dead, then he's not dead, then he's dead, then he's dead but we're not saying anything for 72 hours, then he's not dead, then he's kind of dead...

I feel like the USA election alll over again, Ohio declared for Bush, no it didn't yes it did, not it didn't. Fox said it did. CBC said it didn't.

There is something suspicious about the way the French doctor said they were making the announcement according to his wife's wishes for privacy.

Conclusion: He's dead. They just haven't shut off the machines yet.

466 The Monster  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:27:42am

#401 QueenEsther

CBS News is saying PA authorities is saying Arafart is not dead. I guess they'll just just prop him up like a scarecrow.

Weekend at Yasser's

467 Teacake!  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:27:58am

Hope so Bo.

468 mommydoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:28:41am

Globular Cluster (#460) Exactly.

469 vickie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:29:29am

Mommydoc: Tried to warn people against Managed Care. My Dad was a Dr. and he wouldnt have practiced with G-d knows who telling HIM what to do FOR his Patients. Never. Every one of my Drs..retired at least 10 years before they had planned to. Some of them never planned to completly retire. Planned to take care of a few patients and consult. They didnt..just closed down and left. All that experience...wasted.

Crappy care if there you can get care at all AND you have you still have to pay for it.

Boards: Is Fla STILL the State where Boards are a lead pipe cinch? Or did they do something about it?

470 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:29:35am

#461,

Dead Arafish's Condition Upgraded To 'Nuanced.'

471 Satan  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:30:06am

#426 Tumulus11,

Oh, I'm waiting. With great anticipation.

Hell awaits. Here fishy, fishy, fishy...

472 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:30:18am

He went to France for treatment because it's the first (of many) Arab country in Europe.

473 BarCodeKing  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:30:37am

CART MASTER:
Bring out your dead!
[clang]
Bring out your dead!
[clang]
Bring out your dead!
[cough cough...]
[clang]
[...cough cough]
Bring out your dead!
[clang]
Bring out your dead!
[clang]
Bring out your dead! Ninepence.
[clang]
Bring out your dead!
[clang]
Bring out your dead!
[clang]
Bring out...
[rewr!]
...your dead!
[rewr!]
[clang]
Bring out your dead!
CUSTOMER:
Here's one.
CART MASTER:
Ninepence.
DEAD PERSON:
I'm not dead!
CART MASTER:
What?
CUSTOMER:
Nothing. Here's your ninepence.
DEAD PERSON:
I'm not dead!
CART MASTER:
'Ere. He says he's not dead!
CUSTOMER:
Yes, he is.
DEAD PERSON:
I'm not!
CART MASTER:
He isn't?
CUSTOMER:
Well, he will be soon. He's very ill.
DEAD PERSON:
I'm getting better!
CUSTOMER:
No, you're not. You'll be stone dead in a moment.
CART MASTER:
Oh, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.
DEAD PERSON:
I don't want to go on the cart!
CUSTOMER:
Oh, don't be such a baby.
CART MASTER:
I can't take him.
DEAD PERSON:
I feel fine!
CUSTOMER:
Well, do us a favour.
CART MASTER:
I can't.
CUSTOMER:
Well, can you hang around a couple of minutes? He won't be long.
CART MASTER:
No, I've got to go to the Robinsons'. They've lost nine today.
CUSTOMER:
Well, when's your next round?
CART MASTER:
Thursday.
DEAD PERSON:
I think I'll go for a walk.
CUSTOMER:
You're not fooling anyone, you know. Look. Isn't there something you can do?
DEAD PERSON: [singing]
I feel happy. I feel happy.
[whop]
CUSTOMER:
Ah, thanks very much.
CART MASTER:
Not at all. See you on Thursday.
CUSTOMER:
Right. All right.
[howl]
[clop clop clop]
Who's that, then?
CART MASTER:
I dunno. Must be a king.
CUSTOMER:
Why?
CART MASTER:
He hasn't got shit all over him.

474 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:30:52am

# 398 vickie

Actually, the JPost speculated this morning that Rice will be Secretary of State and Wolfowitz will be National Security Advisor in the second Bush administration.

# 417 alkmyst

Sharon said today that he won't allow Arafat to be buried anywhere in Israel - and certainly not in Jerusalem

# 422 doppelganglander

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Waiting to "officially" say Chag Sameyach to all of you!

475 Jeeves  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:31:17am

If Arafish is "clinically dead" (not sure what this means) then I'm aware of no other obstacle (in Bush's mind) to pressing forward with the Roadmap. Unless, that is, Bush's position is actually more nuanced and he really meant it about a Palestinian state being possible only if a "legitimate" government is established. What's the minimum standard for such a government? To be consistent, Bush would have to insist on one at least as transparent as that in Afghanistan. As for Tony Blair, he thinks it's payback time for his political sacrifices, but I think Bush could provide him with all the cover he needs just by sending Dennis Ross or somebody to Jerusalem for some "talks." BTW, this is the second term, right? Can we NOW move our embassy to Jerusalem?

476 golem akbar  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:31:30am

#465 Judith

Conclusion: He's dead. They just haven't shut off the machines yet.


Well of course. He's brain dead and on machines. Weekend at Bernies, or "Weekend at Yassir's."

I think the PA is just trying to rope in the dissidents. Hah. They're all dissidents.

477 HULUGU  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:31:35am

a resurrected jacques derrida stated to le monde--this ambiguity about his death proves my point--whoever holds the power will determine the subjective "fact" over whether arafat is dead or not--after giving his short, tinny sounding speech monsieur derrida did a 180, spun on his heels and deconstructed

478 William the Barbarian  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:31:39am

Call the Palestinian UN Mission (212) 288-8500 for their comments.

I was just told:
"He's not going to die now"

Who are they kidding. He is on ice.

479 unigolyn  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:32:06am

Well, he's a vegetable on life support. He's braindead. Technically, his heart might still be beating thanks to life support machines, but he'll be repelling daisies as soon as there's a power outage.

Now, how can we convince everyone in France to open their fridges and keep them open for half an hour or so?

480 vickie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:32:13am

Writer Mom: BINGO! Totally Correct!

481 OODA Loop  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:32:49am

Jpost cites US diplomat as confirming: the Fish *is* dead.

A US diplomat in Jerusalem has told The Jerusalem Post Thursday evening that Arafat has died.

"Lots of questions coming out of Washington about what's next," the diplomat said.

482 'sugarcoat'  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:33:39am

#457 Bo

After all these years of threatening to do so, I think I finally went and did it.

I voted Pogo.

Anyone who's a fan of Walt Kelly and owns "Pogo" books will see this sincere, inately wise, genuine charactor with a funny dialect, surrounded by fools and petty villians.

483 moonsbreath  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:33:55am

They can't pronounce him dead until Arafish gives them permission to announce he's dead.

484 Rang1995  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:33:57am

dead,not dead,dead,not dead,dead,not dead,dead,not dead,dead,not dead,dead,not dead,dead,not dead,

Like michael meyers

485 Teacake!  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:34:42am

Judith, he's a little bit dead, clinically, not politically.

486 littleoldlady  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:34:42am

#478 William the Barbarian

"He's not going to die now"

What? Not now? Do they have a time picked out?

487 Boston Patriot  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:35:06am

While I'm utterly shocked that the French socialist medical system couldn't save him, I'd like to give a hearty: Good riddance, scum bag!

Even if the Debka File reports aren't true, it looks like it's only a matter of days. When it does happen, the world will witness the true nature of the Palestinian "struggle". They'll do what they do when there's no "descendants of pigs and monkeys" around to slaughter- kill each other in a mad lust for power in a rule-by-brute-force culture.

488 Smit  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:35:53am

#479 unigolyn - I have to confess your post made me LOL.

Now I feel morally equivalent to the 9/11 partyers.

Oh wait a minute, no I don't.

;-)

489 Smitty  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:35:58am

Oh man, this has got Monty Python all over it!

490 azholly  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:36:01am

Upon hearing the news this morning that Arafat is most likely near death, my heart leaped for joy. Then just as quickly, the Scripture from Ezekiel came to my mind, where the Lord says that He does not delight in the death of the wicked. If He doesn't, how can I? It is His wish that ALL would turn from their wicked ways, and turn to Him. And as much as I don't like it, this includes Yassar Arafat.

My natural mind can't fathom that there would be any mercy at all for this wicked man. Ultimately, Arafat will answer to his Creator, and Judge, as we all will.

Hatred has a way of doing more harm to the hater, than to the hated. When we gloat and glee over their suffering and demise, are we not just like them?

491 paxnhymn  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:36:12am

461 mommydoc

The Fwench don't use EEG's to determine death...


No one there has had an Alpha waveform sine DeGaulle..

492 dustyroadguy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:37:16am

Clinical Death

cessation of all life (metabolic) processes. Death may involve the organism as a whole (somatic death) or may be confined to cells and tissues within the organism. Causes of death in human beings include injury, acute or chronic disease, and neoplasia (cancer). The physiological death of cells that are normally replaced throughout life is called necrobiosis; the death of cells caused by external changes, such as an abnormal lack of blood supply, is called necrosis

Unplug Him Now...

493 Trumpeter  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:38:29am

Bush reelected and Arafat soon dead, wonder why I have been smiling the whole day.

There is a lot to celebrate!

494 William the Barbarian  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:40:03am

#486

All I can do is quote what the UN Observer Mission said on the phone.

Call them and see what they say to you.

They are probably just as confused as the rest of us, but will speak the party line.

495 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:40:04am

# 445 vickie

Actually, you would not want to be treated at any hospital in the Middle East outside of Israel.

Some years ago, my grandmother (a"h) and I went to Egypt and she needed a bit too much nitro while we were on a sightseeing trip. There were a couple of American nurses who were there on vacation from their job in Riyadh and they told me that whatever I do, I should not let her be taken to a hospital in Egypt or anyplace else in an Arab country. She recovered.

# 459 # 17

No fair! If you're right, we only get to celebrate one day here in Israel. No sfeika d'yoma here.

I vote for Purim Meshulash :-)

496 ShiksaGrrrl  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:42:42am
the Palestinian leader had not received proper medical care while at his Ramallah headquarters.


But of course, you just KNEW that somehow, Israel would be blamed.

497 William the Barbarian  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:43:53am

FROM DEBKA:

Informed by a reporter of Arafat’s death, Bush declared Thursday: God rest his soul. We will go on working to establish a free Palestinian state that will work with Israel to achieve peace.

Amid confusing statements over Palestinian leader’s condition, Palestinian PM Ahmed Qureia assumes some of his powers as Palestinian Authority chairman while Palestinian officials attempt to hammer out order of succession in Ramallah.

Activity sparked by Luxembourg prime minister’s announcement that Arafat had died Thursday evening. In Paris, Percy hospital issued a denial, stating his condition had deteriorated and he was under treatment in intensive care unit.

DEBKAfile’s sources report both statements true if Arafat is brain dead and kept alive on life support machines. Paris may be delaying final announcement for all-clear from Palestinian officials. Hence confusion

498 Globular Cluster  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:44:02am

Nu, is he dead yet?

Ah, I see somebody already mentioned the Smiths lyrics.

499 wiseoldfool  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:44:16am

What an amazing week for freedom and democracy. I'm optimistic about our future again.

500 BeckoningChasm  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:44:28am

Please, this so sad, the tears won't stop!

/A pity he died of natural causes. For a man who caused uncountable pain and suffering to the world and his own people, I was hoping he would get some of that back at the end.

501 cybermonk  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:44:29am

As you are well aware, France has extended their treacherous arm to Arafat, treating him for his ailments. It is irrelevant whether Arafat remains comatose or dies. As Jews, Americans and moral people, we cannot remain silent. This would appear as indifference to harboring and aiding terrorists. We ask your support for our campaign located at this link:
[Link: www.Mesora.org...]

Kindly sign our boycott, so together, our numbers may be harnessed in the effort of stamping out continued atrocities against Jews and Americans in the U.S., Israel, and elsewhere.

We will continually email powerful messages to French leaders and U.S. senators, strengthened by our unified numbers, which are posted in real-time on this website. Our last campaigns drew close to 200,000 signatures.

502 hipper_than_thou  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:45:09am

#490 - azholly - You've got to take the entire Bible in context. What about the Book of Esther? G'd most certainly did allow celebration of the death of evil doers.

503 hipper_than_thou  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:47:39am

#495 - Carl in Jerusalem: Are you ever right! My brother was in Egypt, and one of his group, a doctor, came down with food poisoning. He was seriously ill, and the other doctors in the group insisted on air lifting him out of the area to a hospital, rather than let him get Egyptian treatment.

504 vickie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:47:43am

Carl: Lets just see what happens. I can figure out NOW how this group is going to handle some things. DONT fire anyone right away. Let them stay on for a year so it looks "kosher". But will the people actually be doing ANYTHING but writing Position Papers? Will they really be advisors? Will they GET TO the President? We all know about the necessity of getting near to the President. We can see whats going on by the Policies that the President puts forth...

This is a smart group that thinks down the line to Legacy AND the next Election. Political Junkies and the Political Class is onto the next election already.

The Jewish Vote was not bad for a Repub. We dont just vote on Israel...We consider all issues as Americans...BUT as the population grows older and younger Jews NOT tied to the Dem. Party come into interest in Politics, the Repub Party CAN hope to gain more Jewish voters. Lots more. They want that. So they have to show that they dont believe NEOCONS are some sort of NON Republs...They have to show that we are accepted inside the GOP. Firing everyone right away...would sends the "signal" that they dont want to send.

Especially now when everyone is saying that Middle of the Road Dems...NOT ultra Liberal Dems should control the Party or possibly "Scoop Jackson" Democrat ie More Liberal Social Issues..Strong as Repubs. on Defense.

505 KeithW  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:48:19am

So now Arafat is fish and a vegetable. Now die already and enjoy your stay in Hell.

506 salfter  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:48:59am

#67 Al-Qaeda for Kerry

And the sleeping Arafat gleefully wonders..."mmm...was Rachel Corrie a virgin?"

The scuttlebutt is that Arafish didn't swing that way...or are you revealing something about St. Pancake that we didn't previously know?

507 cathyf  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:49:18am

#452 Teacake!

I dunno, the look on GW's face appeared sad, like he lost a friend. SOmethings fishy here.

No, I think dubya is just being the president. We can dance around singing "ding dong the fish is dead" and ululating, but the prez has to worry about which inmate(s) in the palastinian asylum are going to be taking over next, and how many innocents are going to get murdered in the power struggle.

Since killing Israelis and Americans is the main way that these demons assert superiority over other demons, I think it is completely appropriate to be worried about what these murderous crazies will do next.

cathy :-)

508 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:50:23am

"He's mostly dead."
--Miracle Max

509 hmmm  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:50:41am

true -

the saddest thing is that he was never bought to justice for his crimes against humanity!

not our fault that the EU is a bunch of 2 faced buggers!

510 wiseoldfool  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:50:42am

I understand that Arafat's expiration has been delayed due to technical difficulties. It seems that the bus transporting the Fish's 19 virgins to Hell was mistakenly blown up by a Palestinian homicide bomber en route.

511 ShiksaGrrrl  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:51:11am

Officials deny media reports of Arafat's death
CTV.ca News Staff

Officials at the Paris hospital where Yasser Arafat is undergoing treatment say the Palestinian leader is still alive, despite reports that he had died just moments ago.

"Mr. Arafat is not dead," Christian Estripeau, a spokesman for the Percy Military Training Hospital in Clamart outside Paris, told a news conference in a brief statement.

Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurie also denied such reports.

"I have just spoken to the officials in Paris and they say the situation is still as it was. He is still in the intensive care unit," he said.

[Link: sympaticomsn.ctv.ca...]

512 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:52:01am

I think the important lesson we can pick up from all of this is never entrust the elderly to French healthcare.

Is it officially an Israeli holiday yet?

513 Boston Patriot  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:52:07am

#490 "Hatred has a way of doing more harm to the hater, than to the hated. When we gloat and glee over their suffering and demise, are we not just like them?"

Wow. So when a jew who recently got out of Auschwitz reveled in the news that Hitler shot himself, he becomes the moral equivalent of Hitler? Great reasoning. But what else can you expect when you turn to the supernatural for moral guidance.

As a staunch laissez-faire capitalist who voted for Bush and was vehemently anti-Kerry, this statement just reaffirms my fears that unless religion is eventually purged from the Right, freedom will eventually perish.

Socialism or Mysticism (i.e. Skepticism or Intrinsicism), some choice...there is an alternative- Objectivism.

514 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:52:11am

#505,

LOL!

And there's probably some fungi, too.

515 HULUGU  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:52:20am

anyone know how to say "q sign" in arabic :-p

516 William the Barbarian  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:52:31am

So, did he have AIDS?

With his wife in Paris for so many years, and all those virile young terrorists holed up with him during the cold Ramallah nights in the Muqata, it would not be surprising if Mr. Arafa$$hole enjoyed a little BUFU action. Afterall, who could blame him - seeking comfort in the rectal cavity of those terrorists he held so dear.

What do you think?

517 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:54:31am

OT -

Elizabeth Edwards Has Breast Cancer

WASHINGTON - Elizabeth Edwards, wife of former Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards (news - web sites), was diagnosed with breast cancer the day her husband and Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) conceded the presidential race.
518 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:54:58am
519 vickie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:56:46am

Carl: I didnt mean Egypt. I was of the opinion that the UAE and Dubai just imported all the best from the West ...flush with INCREDIBLE amounts of unreported, untaxed, unregulated Money ...these Oil Sheikdoms can buy the best of everything they want .. including hospitals with all the up to the minute "goodies". Thats what I was talking about.

What about Syria? Dont they have the best for their big wigs?

---

Geeze...Ms. Edwards had needle biopsy that shows she has breast cancer. Invasive Ductal Breast Cancer. Gosh..shame. Damn. Hope they caught it in time.

I think all women that have been doing nothin but Campaigning for 3 years should make sure to ck themselves out. They neglected their health for politics. That all women on both sides.

520 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:56:53am

#517,

That sucks.

Hopefully former Senator Edwards can figure out who he needs to sue.

521 HULUGU  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:00:14am

aha--i see the euronuance--he's brain dead but not physically dead--so fucking postmodern--filled with the sensitive charms of relativistic truth--i suggest a special prize--palme d'obscurantism at the next cannes film festival

522 Jheka  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:01:25am
523 Smit  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:01:48am

#517 LC LaWedgie - That's terrible, I pray for her recovery.

524 BarCodeKing  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:01:49am

#517 Let's hope she beats it.

525 mommydoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:02:43am

Vickie (#469) Not exactly sure what you mean about the Florida boards. There is a single national pathway for licensure eligibility through USMLE (United States Medical Licensing Examination) and NBME (National Board of Medical Examiners.) Each state's medical board then licenses individual physicians after they pass the USMLE. Florida has traditionally been one of the most closed boards, trying to keep new docs out.

Fortunately, I am long past that, licensed in Colorado since 1996 and California since 1998. This is my specialty board certification exam, which in OBGYN has three parts and takes several years out in practice after residency to complete.

526 blackpajamas  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:04:38am

22 JamesW 11/4/2004 06:48AM PST

Yasser Arafat is in a coma and in an ?extremely bad state?

What state is extremely bad? Rhode Island? Delaware?

Massatwosh!ts, very very bad state...

527 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:10:08am

Arafat is reportedly Brain Dead according to Drudge Report!

Wooo!

He is finished!

Wooo!

He is in France!

Wooo!

528 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:10:18am

Jordanians say Arafish is getting worse.

How much worse does it get than dead, except eternal damnation?

529 bigger diggler  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:10:48am

With French doctors insisting that he is alive, and Palestinians arguing that he is not yet dead, there is only ONE logical conclusion...

The fucker's deader than a doornail. Several things support this analysis.

1). He is, after all, in a European hospital which no American would trust with anything more serious than a hangnail or a routine broken finger or something minor. European medicine is a walking talking malpractice lawsuit waiting to happen;

2). The Palestinians hope to procrastinatel the inevitable fratricidal bloodshed that will follow in his wake. They need time to arm and organize themselves. Hopefully, Israel has done the right thing and supplied all factions with enough shortrange but lethal weaponry that will insure the total anihilation of all the terrorist groups but leaves Israel safe (I would suggest .25 caliber automatic pistols);

3). The Israel intellegence sources have confirmed his death against the overhwhelming weight of Arab media denying it. Do you see the symetry here?

4). It has been a whole two days since we had good news.

530 jahdpq  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:11:06am

Arafat's pals should lift him gently, carry him to a quiet, cool spot in the shade -- and detonate him.

531 Solomon X  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:12:25am

Dump him in the Seine. He won't fit down the toilet.

532 Rant Wraith  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:12:49am

Debkafile says the Paris media report 'fat died a few minutes ago. It's all over Google News too. He seems to have been brain dead for most of the day (no jokes please). look for an official announcement from france soon.

533 RC neo-Jew  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:13:14am

Anyone want to see what a Palestinian with a brave face looks like?

The BBC has a picture of one.

534 vickie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:14:25am

Mommydoc: Then it has changed down there in Fla. Used to be totally easy to pass the boards in Fla and DC. Guess both places wanted Drs THEN. Maybe they got too many. Everyone who thought they might end up in Fla at one time in their lives took the boards and no one had to even study for them. Think Dad used ONE weekend (can you imagine?) of study and thats all. (this is 25 years AFTER Med School). Specialty Boards? I dont remember if they were as easy. Think not really. As I remember right now...Specialty Boards were legit. in Fla.

Mommydoc: would having two babies at the age of around 49-50 one right after the other would be a contributing fact for ductal breast cancer?

535 Teacake!  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:15:27am

what ever the case, he is as good as dead and isn't going to come back to his land of the living dead.

536 Tumulus11  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:16:15am

. From: Hopital d'Instruction des Armees de Percy


To : Central Paris Bureau for the Disposal of Marine Waste

Removal Order #2: A large decayed fish must be removed from the hospital. This carcass may also be infected with a deadly virus. The contamination must be isolated, if possible. Good luck.

537 Tinker  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:16:28am

We already knew he was in "a bad state". The state's called "France".

538 glwing  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:17:09am

Haven't read all 500+ post so forgive me if someone has already answered this.

It was my understanding that his *ahem* religion required that he be buried with 24 hours, however, FOX is reporting that if he is, indeed, dead the Palestinians want to keep it secret for 72 hours.

How do you do both?

539 RC neo-Jew  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:17:49am

The media keeps reporting that one Palestinian spokesperson says that Arafat is very unwell, while another one says no, no, he's fine really. They fail to draw the obvious conclusion that there are some Palestinians who lie, and their word cannot be trusted.

540 paplagr  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:19:10am

Tick! Tock! Tick! Tock!

Time to punch out, you *ucking, *ock sucking, *other*ucking. piece of *hit!!!

541 RC neo-Jew  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:19:52am

Do I open the chocolates, or don't I?

He's in a coma, they say. Some people are in a coma for years...

:-(

542 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:21:19am

Palis say they wish to withhold any death notification to the press for 72 hours.

519, 523, 524 - Me, too. It took out my Mother-in-law after hanging on for years.

543 mommydoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:22:16am

Vickie: Things have changed totally since your dad was licensed. There is a single national pathway to licensure. Specialty boards have nothing to do with it.

HULUGU: Dotted Q, I'm hoping. Didn't know you were medical.

544 greenmamba  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:22:29am

#531 Solomon X

Dump him in the Seine. He won't fit down the toilet.

Bad idea. In the case of a posthumous trial, he'd be found guilty but in Seine.

545 JoeM  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:23:51am
#502 hipper_than_thou
What about the Book of Esther? G'd most certainly did allow celebration of the death of evil doers.

That was celebration of the salvation of the Jewish people.

I'll certainly not mourn the death of the Fish, but I'm going to try to limit my exhuberance, in the Jewish tradition of not rejoicing in the downfall of our enemies.

546 Mentat  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:24:30am

Where did Arafat hide the money? Hugh Fitzgerald's take on Jihadwatch.org (8th comment down or see below):

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

Everyone in the world, outside the E.U. bureacracy and the chanceries of countries in Western Europe, knows that Arafat pocketed most of the money that was supplied for the "Palestinian" people. And apparently he kept those keys and codes pretty close to his vest, or chest, or whatever.

So imagine how Erekat and the rest of them have been hovering about over the last few weeks, trying to obtain from him -- tell us, tell us, we need to know -- details as to where all the money was stashed. Of course he owned a lot of real estate at one time in Heliopolis (part of Cairo, where he was born), but probably most of it is in stocks and bonds, and comforting gold bars.

Imagine how eager his loyal aides are, collectively and of course individually -- remember that Riviera penthouse of Zuheir Mohsein? -- so as to keep them living in the style to which, in a small way, they had grown accustomed -- but how much more wonderful to get their hands on all that loot now that the Godfather was out of the way.

But what if he didn't spill the beans? It would be like the Treasure of Sierra Madre.

For those looking for their next Hollywood movie, here goes (and I expect a healthy cut):

Terrorist leader, rebarbative face, disgusting habits, manufactures the "Khuzistanian people" from the Arabs living in the Khuzistan province of Iran. Goes around with hand out, gets billions of dollars in aid. Makes the "Khuzistanian" people The Cause in the Western world. Vanessa Redgrave weeps for the Khuzistanian People. The U.N. spends 1/3 of its allotted time on the crimes committed against the Khuzistanian People.

Flash forward. Rebarbative leader is slowly dying. By now he has accumulated $180 billioon dollars (this is Hollywood -- we have to make it interesting). Oh, we see how some of the money is doled out, to journalists and diplomats (lots of fun here). We see Peter Jennings bewailing the fate of the Khuzistanian people. We see a Hanan-Ashrawi type, explaining how the Khuzistanian people have been plowing their anceint soil from time immemorial (turns out they arrived, pushed out from the Nejd when the Al-Saud were defeating the Jabal Shammar, in 1920). Lots of fake history, fake "Khuzistanian" folk songs, Khuzistanian "handcrafts," the works.

Now The Maximum Leader is dying. And everyone in his retinue knows about the money. And each one, in turn, wants the Dying Leader to tell him where it is -- so he, and only he, can get his hands on it.

Casting? Boris Karloff, alas, is dead, but makeup artists can do wonders. Start with someone who looks sinister to begin with (Christopher Walken?), and work from there. Recycle, perhaps, some of the saloon lowlife in "The Three Amigos."

Or perhaps the "Team America" puppeteers could go into action. Yes, puppets might be even better, and less spent on inflated Hollywood salaries, the more money for the originator of the idea, who needs all he can get.

This script has possibilities. This movie would have legs. All over Europe, Eurabian-sick customers would flock to see it. I won't even talk about the domestic market, videos, DVD, the whole thing.

Goddamit, where is Swifty Lazar when you need him?

547 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:24:53am

#544,

Ugh. I wish they'd pull the plug already.
We're running out of jokes.

548 Smit  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:25:09am

From the BBC comments page

I have never in all my years known a leader as prolific as Mr Arafat and it warms my heart to read that people all over the world have sent their best wishes to him, courage has no higher representative and as long as the fight for freedom is alive you can be sure Mr Arafat will be there.
Alex Friday, Australia

barf.

But then this interesting comment:

It will be a blessing if he dies. He has ruined all our chances, encouraged violence; and has not had the wisdom to provide peace for the
Palestinians.
Farid Al Atrache, Palestinian territories
549 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:28:19am

#544 greenmamba

groooan ...

:)

550 littleoldlady  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:30:25am

#522 Jheka

Hey, thanks for the music! Beautiful!

551 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:30:44am
552 The Other Elizabeth  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:31:20am

Well, dead or not dead, when he finally goes, I hope every victim and person he duped into being a splodydope is waiting for him in lieu of the 72 virgins or boys or goats.

The Other Elizabeth
Imperial Keeper

553 Psion  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:31:21am

Those pesky Zionists are behaving badly!

Hebrew readers check this out; Walla Comments

554 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:32:12am

#533 RC Neo Jew

LOL! It looks like my 'I'm tryin not to cry' face.

555 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:33:00am

Since Arafat was reported both as dead and not dead, the French have sent in a special team of critics to deconstruct him... a postmodern postmortem.

556 Psion  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:33:04am

Leave TeaCake alone...she's got a point!

557 IowaInfidel  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:36:42am

Ok, time for the fish jokes:

Before slipping into a coma, Arafish complained of a haddock.

Several days ago, his health started to flounder.

Just for the halibut, his doctors flew him to France for treatment.

His aids were overheard saying, "Just the flu, my bass!"

558 vickie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:36:54am

Mommydoc: Ok..Got it..then all of this HAS changed. In a way good to know that you cant pick a particular State for "easy" boards now.

One more question. Do you have to prove who you are before taking at least written boards? I ask this cause there was lots of hanky panky in some of the Colleges and Professional Schools concerning exactly WHO was really taking tests. (Arabs--lots and lots of Saudis and Egyptians in George Town would get OTHERES to go to their classes and take their tests...I think the people at GT and American U. knew it was going on and I wondered then if that coruption went all the way up to Med School and Boards?) This IS what definatly happened for many years. The only way to stop that would be stringent ID measure..ie the person showing for class and tests IS the person ending up with the Degree. Impt since all of us may not be able to choose the particular Physician we want. Just be able to chose among the Physicians offered.

559 Sir Lurksalot  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:40:38am

If only we hadn't banned stem cell research.

If John Kerry were President he'd touch Arafat and he'd get out of that bed.

560 Maine's Michael  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:41:31am

He deserved the punishment meted out by Samuel to King Agag of the Amalekites.

He got off lucky.

"Let him die unshriven.
Better a fly to god than he."

561 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:43:07am

Mrs Edwards and the breast cancer


Call me morbid, but I wonder the drugs they probably had to give her to be able to bear children (and maybe even conceive) at the age of 49 and 51 has anything to do with it.

I still wonder, if the Fish had HIV, why he just didn't take the "cocktail" that allows some HIV+ people to live a decade or more asymptomatic.

Final question, for the medically educated (dam# this registration thing, so I can no loner be Ed Moran abu Not a Dr. But Plays 1 on TV), but if the Fish has advanced HIV disease, how long can the Frogs keep his body about 37C using the respirator, feeding tubes and dialysis?


Could a concurrent liver ailment have been involved?

562 SangerM  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:43:21am

This could become my favorit Fall ever, and I REALLY like Fall...

A lunar Eclipse I could actually see!

Not too many kids on Halloween (fewer trips to the door, and we get to eat the candy we like)!

Bush IN, Kerry (and his stupid wife) and his mini-me partner out out out!

Pelosi stunned (well maybe that's not new)...

Arafat Dead? Well not dead yet, just suffering... hey, that's even better.

Falujah surrounded and ready to be toasted (the last hard push in Iraq I expect...)


Who could ask for anything more!?!? I want to sing:

"Ding, Dong, the Fish is dead, which old fish, the wicked Fish ..."

-SangerM

563 RC neo-Jew  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:43:23am

ITN has just shown a French hospital spokesman telling us that "Arafat is emphatically not dead".

"Emphatically not dead."

Whatever that means.

564 Tumulus11  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:45:41am

. 1st kipper: 'Smoking's bad for you'
2nd kipper: 'It's OK, I've been cured'

565 dejal  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:47:28am

If only they had gotten to him in time. They could have performed this operation:
"The Thing with 2 heads"

566 islander  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:53:02am

It's a good thing he's being attented to by french quacks. He never stood a chance. Maybe the only thing we can thank the french for...

567 vickie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:53:33am

Lets see how things have changed. I want to ck out what Sat. Nite Live is going to do with this. If this ISNT exactly like the looonnng running gag of Franco , nothing is. Will they do the same? with Arafat? Or will they be too afraid to do it? And keep it going like they did with Franco? ( Franco joke keep being repeated for several years)

568 unigolyn  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:54:27am

I wonder if this'll work...

569 unigolyn  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:55:33am

Nope.

Well, here's a link instead then:

arafish

570 greenmiler  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:57:55am

"Im not dead"

'shut up, Youll be dead by morning'

'I feel happy.!'

571 L88Vette  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:59:51am

Think of the fun "Saturday Night Live" can have with this: Generalissimo Yasser Arafat is STILL Clinically Dead !!!

572 Anonymous Al  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:59:57am
A PRAYER FOR ARAFAT

Had Yasser died without lingering in a coma - Dyanu

Had Yasser lingered in a coma, without Suha's accidental spilling of his urine bag - Dyanu

Had Suha spilt Yasser's urine bag, without slipping on the spillage - Dyanu

Had Suha slipped on the spilt urine, without banging her ugly head on the floor - Dyanu

Had Suha banged her ugly head on the floor, without suffering a concussion - Dyanu

Had Suha suffered a concussion, without going into a coma - Dyanu

Had Suha gone into a coma, without waking up with the IQ of a cumquat - Dyanu

Had Suha wakened with the IQ of a cumquat, without undressing in front of an audience of Muslim dignitaries - Dyanu

Had Suha stripped for the audience of Muslim gignitaries, without shouting out "Look at me! I am Priscilla Presley!" - Dyanu

Had Suha shouted out "Look at me! I am Priscilla Presley!", without being caught on live television - Dyanu ...

573 greenmiler  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:03:18am

Arafat is drastically holding on his fight to remain dead!...In other news ,a young couple narrowly escaped serious injury today when they we're insantly killed in a car crash.

574 mommydoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:03:41am

Folks, let's leave speculation about Mrs. Edwards' breast cancer and her not-actually-documented infertility treatments alone. She and her husband suffered terribly over the loss of their son, and it was their private choice to have more children. This is a new tragedy for them. Let's just be glad that they are not in the White House (nor Senate) and leave it at that.

vickie: When I took the National Boards a decade and more ago, security was pretty tight, and you took your boards where you trained, so people also knew if it was you. For the OBGYN orals, we had to submit photos in advance and they made us ID badges which we were issued before being taken from the hotel to the headquarters by bus. We were not allowed to drive separately, we were each assigned an examination room which we could not leave except for bathroom privileges for three hours, and our examiners rotated hourly. There were hall monitors to make sure we didn't talk to anyone, and the morning group was brought back to the hotel while we were sequestered in orientation prior to being escorted on the bus.

All in all, security was pretty good.

575 greenmiler  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:05:42am

Hey, I KNOW why they can't decide if he's dead or not..He's in France, it doesn't smell any different!

576 Maine's Michael  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:06:08am

Anyone else think the 'mysterious illness' diagnosis, after a week in a frog hospital, was 'fishy'?

From the french perspective, it's a two-fer: they get to mask their lack of diagnostic prowess, and they get to stick it to the jews, insinuating some jewish well-poisoning or some such.

On the other hand, it may be the french trying to cover up the fact that the fish has/had AIDS, as it would reflect badly with arafat's constiuency, and make some foreign 'dignitaries' less likely to attend his funeral.

Either way, the french come out stinking like the over-ripe fish they've been 'cod'dling for a week . . .

(enough fish allusions yet?)

577 cathyf  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:07:39am

#544 greenmamba

#531 Solomon X
Dump him in the Seine. He won't fit down the toilet.

Bad idea. In the case of a posthumous trial, he'd be found guilty but in Seine.


Oooo... Now THERE'S an idea! Let's have a cadaver synod!

cathy :-)

578 NY Nana  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:08:50am

#561 Ed Moran

Re the meds Mrs. Edwards was given, it is possible, as it has to be assumed that she must have at least been in peri-menopause. The surge of estrogen from the meds and the pregnancies themselves could also be a factor. Will her ambulance chaser sue himself for being such a POS, and encouraging the 2 pregnancies in order to replace a dead son?

In Toronto, we are getting conflicting reports re arafart...Israel's Channel 2 says he is..and that they have him on life support, I bet, is until they can get their act together and have time to decide when best to shut off the machines. I wonder if the 'grieving widow' will be sued for the moneys she and her 'husband' stole? I read here that the daughter has leukemia...I had never seen that before in any publication.

Re HIV and AIDS? CBC has mentioned it, and as far as keeping him on life support, they can do it for weeks...quite a few little boys must be breathing a sigh of relief!

Gotta go, guys..the queue for the computer is getting restless, and my Bush2004 button is not the most popular adornment here, although we are still getting thumbs up, and smiles re the bumper stickers.

579 Teacake!  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:09:50am

Thanks Psion - and considering out of almost 600 comments, I jotted out one little ole sentence about my concern. I was hoping to see him have a sigh of relief, but it looked like he was gettin weepy. I just hope he was weeping with relief.

580 Meryl Yourish  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:09:58am

There's a Dead Arab Dictator Pool Matching Fund over at my blog: People are donating $25 a pop for every dead Arab dictator on my list.

Arafat's the first. Over $300 has been donated to MDA today already.

Link to MDA

Feel free to join in.

581 rosh  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:10:06am

Xinhua News Agency:
China hopes Arafat will recover soon

---

Terrible news about Elizabeth Edwards. I will pray that she beats it.

582 Globular Cluster  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:10:24am
583 vickie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:10:26am

Mommydoc: Im really glad to hear your report on Security. Thru the 70's and 80's maybe into the 90's you cant image what crap was going on in the Universities around here. What I described is only a part of what SERIOUS nonsense that was going on. G-d knows who from that time period have Advanced Degrees who barely went to class and never took their own tests. And I mean NEVER took one single exam their own selves. Thanks for telling me like is is now. I really was interested.

584 Pope Insouciance IV  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:12:32am

The roadmap to peace begins at Arafat's grave.

585 Maine's Michael  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:13:13am

ALl who think we are wrong to rejoice, please read this, in it's entirety, then get back to us.

The Virtue of Hate

At the time, my grandfather, a rabbi, joined those on the Israeli right in condemning the Oslo process, arguing that it would produce a terrorist state responsible for hundreds of Israeli deaths. As a rabbinical student, I could not understand my grandfather’s unremitting opposition. He was, I thought, so blinded by his hate that he was unable to comprehend the powerful potential of the peace process. Now, many hundreds of Jewish victims of suicide bombings later, and fifty years after the Holocaust, the importance and the necessity of Jewish hate has once again been demonstrated. Perhaps there will soon be peace in the Middle East, perhaps not. But one thing is certain: we will not soon forgive the actions of a man who, as he sent children to kill children, knew—all too well—just what he was doing. We will not—we cannot—ask God to have mercy upon him. Those Israeli parents whose boys and girls did not come home will pray for the destiny of his soul at the conclusion of their holiest day, but their prayer will be rather different from the rosary:

Let the terrorist die unshriven.
Let him go to hell.
Sooner a fly to God than he.

586 BeckoningChasm  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:15:12am

#517 That's very sad. Here's hoping she makes a complete recovery.

587 Psion  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:16:40am

Arafat to convalesce in Tunisia: PLO official

TUNIS: Ailing Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat will convalesce in Tunisia after undergoing medical treatment in France, Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) political chief Faruq Qaddumi said Wednesday.

“After undergoing treatment he will need time to rest,” Qaddumi said before leaving for Paris in the company of other Palestinian leaders. “He will be here in Tunis, soon, God willing.”

Qaddumi would not be drawn on whether Arafat, who is suffering from a blood disorder, had been poisoned.

588 Psion  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:17:51am

Annie, are you OK?

Tamar

589 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:19:17am

Great Article!

Thanks. I like this guy, Meir Y. Soloveichik. Believe it or not, my great, great, great, great, great grandfather was Schmerel Soloveitchick.

590 traveler  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:20:27am

#576 Maine's Michael

Very "fishy" indeed. And weren't the French the ones who got pissed off when our medical scientists claimed to have isolated the AIDS antibody, when it was really the French who found it first (and, in fact, aided the American scientists with their samples)?

You'd think the French would have no trouble diagnosing AIDS -- since they consider themselves the authority. Something's up: either he doesn't have it, or they're covering for him -- and patient confidentiality prevents them from overriding his wishes.

591 leo (dissident view from Berlin)  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:21:29am

In the case that the French doctors are trying to keep Arafat in the nomansland between life and death this move will take them into the grey zones of their own legal system:

In its reports, the Committee admits that mercy killings are a reality in France's hospitals.

According to one of the men, who sit on the committee, there are about 2,000 clandestine acts of assisted suicide in France each year.

A study in a leading scientific journal concluded that almost half the deaths in French intensive-care units were the result of what could be described as passive euthanasia - a decision to stop treatment reached with the consent of close family members.

What would put the last decision to pull out the plug or not into the hands of Palestinian Authority thugs who might wait with that until they have drafted their targeted killing conspiracy theory.

592 vickie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:21:36am

Just using my common sense and the exosure to a Father who talked Medicine 24/7 practically and absorbing it ...eh...not a good idea to have TWO babies..back to back at that advanced age. Just my two cents. Not the best idea in the world. I think a woman take lots of risks in doing that. She should have cked her family history at the very least..tho it isnt the only Red Flag.

Once again I say: All these people who ate, drank, slept Politics ONLY for 3-4 years and didnt do anything else..need to go to the Drs..and make sure everying is OK. I know lots of these people and once into a Campaign thats ALL they think about. They ignore EVERYTHING else.

593 unigolyn  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:23:05am

since it probably got lost in the tide of posts before...

PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE of Arafat's death.

594 Psion  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:27:08am
595 Throbert McGee  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:30:12am
I'll certainly not mourn the death of the Fish, but I'm going to try to limit my exhuberance, in the Jewish tradition of not rejoicing in the downfall of our enemies.

Well, since I'm going to Hell anyway because of my addiction to big hard cocks, I hereby volunteer as a proxy rejoicer when Arafat is officially dead -- just drop me an email and I'll do a Snoopy dance in your name.

596 Teacake!  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:33:20am

Hey Tamar! Had no idea that was you! How's things?

597 JoeM  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:35:47am

#595 Throbert

LOL!

Ok, when his 9 lives are used up, please dance on his grave in my name.

598 Psion  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:37:27am

I'm OK, Cats are OK too! How are yours?

599 Dadzilla  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:39:10am

Nothing an emergency missilectomy won't cure!

600 Teacake!  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:39:28am

Well, the French are experts at what brain dead is.

601 PDM  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:41:01am

So, what's the latest?

Do I pass out death candy?

Or, should I just pass out the coma candy for now?

602 Teacake!  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:43:05am

My cat is just fine thanks for asking. Finally some cool weather too. How are people in Israel reacting to this splendid news?

603 Psion  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:45:41am

You should see the Walla and MSN boards! So little compassion...such hilarious comments!

Good riddance to bad rubbish!

604 HenryS  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:46:46am

I haven't read this thread so apologies if anyone else has posted this but BBC WorldNews continues to show this video taken last week with Arafat in his 'jammies and his entourage sitting around him, holding his hands. Arafat is grinning like a loon and at one point, he tries to kiss the hand of one of his sycophants. At that moment, the video is cut and looped back to the beginning of the segment but you can just see the poor sod jerk his hand away as he realizes the fish lips are about to hit their target. Hilarious.

605 veebee  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:46:57am

Couldn't wish a better week!!!

606 Psion  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:47:26am

We are having a heat wave! Terrible!...but Arafat's demise takes our minds off of the heat!

607 Teacake!  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:47:42am

Gotta link? I have to go to the laundry, back in a bit

608 Gabba Gabba Hey  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:48:47am

It doesn't sit well with me to wish for the death of another human; however, Arafat has showed himself to be anything but humane so here's one for the old bastard:

Bye-bye Mr Stinky Fish Pie.
Just say fuck it, kick the bucket;
The time is well nigh.
It's really too bad, really so sad,
That you're too big a fish to fry.

November 2 we flushed the Johns,
And the LLL went "Boo hoo!"
I'd give my last buck,
Even if I was down on my luck;
To flush old Arafish too!

609 Teacake!  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:50:52am

FOX had some pali woman on a little while ago, so it doesn't really look like anything will be better when he's gone. this bitch was going on and on about all the evils of Israel which she said have become worse since fatty has been out of commission. see ya...

610 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:51:38am
611 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:52:07am

594


I think that is a joke, and if it is it is quite funny, but there was no "April Fool's" or anything else, so that is kinda weird.

612 rightasrain  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:57:06am

So much good news in one week. It's taking me some time to get used to being so relentlessy happy over politics!

Arafat, the father of modern terrorism, is as evil as his hero Adolph Hitler. May both their memories be erased.

I really and truly want the French doctors to come out and admit that he has AIDS. All this "gee, we're just too dumb to figure out what's wrong with him since we're only French after all" is not flying. ADMIT HE HAS AIDS.

By the way, I heard something funny at a lecture last night.

Just like we have terror levels (in color codes), the French also have terror level codes:

Run
Hide
Surrender
Collaborate

Ha ha,
Right As Rain

613 Shaka Ndaw  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:57:27am

#574 Mommydoc

Amen. Always good to see LGF posters seeking more civility in discourse. I think the most appropriate thing to do re Ms. Edwards's health is to pray for her and her family.

614 Psion  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:01:52am

Walla

These are primarily in Hebrew, but occasionaly someone does post a few nasty comments in English also!

615 rightasrain  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:02:09am

Correction:

That should have been "relentlessly happy".

I think.

Then again, I'm just an elephant humping (whatever)... :-)


Right As Rain

616 Nederlander  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:04:51am

They say that Arafat is braindead. Tell me something new.

617 HULUGU  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:05:33am

tahya abdul-rahman is a spokesman for the paleo authority?--wasn't he point guard on the phoenix suns

618 mommydoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:06:22am

Shaka Ndaw: Thanks. Yes, I think it's extremely poor form for people to speculate on a private decision possibly related to a personal tragedy. Not to mention the fact that those speculating do not have the knowledge base or training to be fully-informed. As a board-eligible (hopefully soon to be board certified OBGYN) I can say with assurance only that the evidence for fertility treatments causing later breast cancer is controversial at best. The studies are conflicting. We just don't know yet.

620 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:08:15am
621 William the Barbarian  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:09:28am

Adieu, Yasser Arafat
By Uri Dromi

A decade ago, as chief spokesman for the Israeli government, I went with then-prime minister Yitzhak Rabin to Cairo for the signing of an agreement on the handing over of Gaza and Jericho to the Palestinians. Like my boss, I was fully committed to the peace process, but even during those heady early days of Oslo, I was quickly coming to suspect that the now-ailing Yasser Arafat was a leader who would never be capable of making peace with us.

The signing, in May 1994, was to have been no more than a formality, but the night before the ceremony, it suddenly appeared as if there might not be an agreement at all. While the Israeli and Palestinian security chiefs hugged each other most amicably upon meeting in the corridors of Cairo's Ittihadia Palace, the politicians' discussions inside the chambers were going astray.

Once in a while, a door would slam and a fuming Arafat would storm past us advisers. Each time, our host, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, followed after him, going out of his way to mend fences. Finally, just before dawn, all seemed to be settled. We parted ways to catch some sleep before the ceremony.

We reconvened a few hours later in front of a festive crowd assembled in Cairo's convention center. Then, with the whole world watching on television, Arafat did the unbelievable.

At first, the ceremony seemed to proceed as planned. Arafat solemnly signed the voluminous agreement, after which he returned to his place on the podium, alongside the other dignitaries.

In turn, Rabin picked up his pen and started signing. Suddenly he stopped, his face reddened and he muttered something inaudible. Yoel Zinger, the Israeli legal adviser, rushed to the stage. A commotion started; the crowd grew restless. Nobody new what was happening.

We soon found out. Yasser Arafat, at a historic moment that was meant to bring his people closer than they had ever been to fulfilling their dream of statehood, simply couldn't help himself.

It turned out that he had only feigned signing all the pages of the agreement — he had actually skipped some. Rabin furiously threatened to leave, and Mubarak, the insulted host, confronted Arafat and, as later rumors had it, gave him a piece of his mind in solid Arabic.

Arafat refused to yield. Standing there in his uniform, his hands defiantly crossed over his chest, he claimed that certain things concerning Jericho had not actually been agreed upon. Only after a long, unscheduled break did he finally succumb and sign the agreement.

Now a bit of breast beating is in order. Though I am now one of the many Israelis who has become disillusioned by the outbreak of the second intifada, back then I was fully committed to the Oslo Accords and, as Rabin's spokesman, I played a role in painting a more positive picture of the peace process. And so it was that I rationalized Arafat's behavior that day as being a message to his people that he had tried everything for them before he signed the compromise.

Alas, it wasn't all.

A few days after the ceremony in Cairo, Arafat gave a speech in Johannesburg at a local mosque. Believing he was among friends only, he talked about the agreement he had just signed: "This agreement, I am not considering it more than the agreement which had been signed between our prophet Muhammad and Qureish... You remember that the Caliph Omar had refused this agreement and considered it a despicable truce... But the same way Muhammad had accepted it, we are now accepting this peace effort."

For those not versed in Islamic history, the agreement, also known as the al-Khudaibiya agreement, was a 10-year peace treaty between Mohammad and the tribe of Qureish. After two years, when Mohammad had improved his military position, he tore up the agreement and slaughtered the Qureishites.

So much for Arafat's idea of honoring agreements he signed with Israel.
...
TO BE CONTINUED IN NEXT POST

622 William the Barbarian  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:09:58am

CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POST
---

That Arafat is no Nelson Mandela is now understood by all but the most naive. To his credit, he has carried his people from obscurity to the center of international attention. But he has proved himself unable to rise to the historical occasion, unable to make the switch from revolutionary leader to nation builder. He just hasn't been able to turn to his people, especially those living in the refugee camps, and admit that this is it — that this is the best deal they'll ever get, that they need to forget forever the hope of returning to their homes in Jaffa and Haifa.

By not being able to do so, Arafat has become in the eyes of most Israelis the embodiment of our worst fear: the threat of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees fighting until the very end for their old homes — in other words, for the end of the Jewish state. That is why most Israelis have believed that as long as Arafat is the Palestinian leader, we have no partner for peace.

Now that Arafat seems to be on the way out — if not from life, then at least from any meaningful leadership of the Palestinian people — the big question is whether he has been the sole obstacle to peace between Israelis and Palestinians, or whether he simply has been representing a phenomenon common to all Palestinian leaders.

Is there, I wonder, anyone among all those Palestinian figures, smartly dressed in business suits, who also means business? Can we at last sit down with people who, instead of double-talking, will for once keep their word?

Personally, I'm not holding my breath.

Uri Dromi, director of international outreach at the Israel Democracy Institute, was chief spokesman for the Israeli government under Prime Ministers Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres.

623 Bucky Katt  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:11:14am

#570

I was wondering when the Pythonesque references would come out. :-)

624 rightasrain  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:11:58am

By the way, I'm always so delighted to see Israeli bloggers online. I visited lovely Israel earlier this year and it was more inspiring than I can even tell you!

You are a brave people on the front lines of the international war on terror and I will be back every year to visit you from now on (at the very least!)

P.S. I'm trying to learn modern Israeli Hebrew! You speak Hebrew conversationally so rapidly, but I will learn to hear faster. :-)

625 alkmyst  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:12:38am
#474 Carl in Jerusalem 11/4/2004 09:30AM PST
# 417 alkmyst

Sharon said today that he won't allow Arafat to be buried anywhere in Israel - and certainly not in Jerusalem

Can we have his word on that, just like his word that he would never give up Jewish land or never dismantle settlements?

Sharon's credibility, as far as I'm concerned, is right on par with Michael Moore's. They probably shop at the same supermarket.

#551 Rayra 11/4/2004 10:30AM PST

For FOUR YEARS W has worked with Israel, done things FOR Israel, in Israel's favor, said positive things that NO President had previously said on the record.

Maybe so, but he also sent out a team to
delineate the boundaries of settlements, with the intended purpose of limiting construction and pushing Israeli retreat.

White House urged broader withdrawal[calls the shots]
By Nicholas Kralev
WASHINGTON TIMES 13 August 2004
[Link: washingtontimes.com...]

The Bush administration played a major behind-the-scenes role in pressing Israel to broaden a planned withdrawal from the Gaza Strip to include four
Jewish settlements in the West Bank, Israeli Ambassador Daniel Ayalon said yesterday.

That and other changes were the price Israel had to pay for securing President Bush's written endorsement of the plan in a letter he presented to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in Washington in April, Mr. Ayalon said.

"We were thinking just of Gaza. They suggested [some withdrawal] from the West Bank. I think this is a very major change," the ambassador told The Washington Times in an interview at the Israeli Embassy.

"We agreed to modify our plan ... so they really had their imprint," he said.

Mr. Ayalon said that National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, her deputy Stephen Hadley, and Elliott Abrams, senior director for Near East and North African affairs at the National Security Council, were deeply engaged in negotiating the plan's final version.

"They didn't give us a blank check and endorse the plan without careful studies and questions - they sent their people to Israel," Mr. Ayalon said.

Another Israeli official, who asked not to be named, said the first time the plan was discussed officially with the United States was in Rome in November.

That happened during a previously undisclosed meeting between Mr. Sharon, who was on a visit to Italy, and Mr. Abrams, who flew in from London, the official said.

Dennis Ross, the top Middle East envoy in both the first Bush administration and the Clinton administration, said yesterday that the final plan was chosen from several options discussed by the Israelis.

Mr. Ross said the White House was correct in demanding modifications to the plan given the "explicit" endorsement Israel subsequently received from the United States.

The Israeli official later explained that at least three options were on the table when the plan was first discussed internally: a withdrawal from a large part of the West Bank, a pullout from Gaza only, and a pullout from Gaza and a small part of the West Bank.

The official said the Bush administration deserves credit for pressuring Israel to adopt the third option.

Although Mr. Bush called the plan "bold and courageous," its critics in the Arab world and Europe initially saw it as an official U.S. endorsement of the Jewish settlements that will remain in the West Bank.

Official U.S. policy has been for decades that settlements are an impediment to peace, although successive administrations have tolerated them.

After initial skepticism, the plan was accepted by the European Union, Russia and the United Nations.

Mr. Sharon's deputy, Ehud Olmert, yesterday told settler leaders in Israel that even more settlements would have to be removed from the West Bank.

"In the future, there will be a need to evacuate more settlements in Judea and Samaria - not because it's just, but because there is no choice...

626 piglet  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:14:10am
That Arafat is no Nelson Mandela is now understood by all but the most naive.

Mandela (spit)

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

[Link: southmovement.alphalink.com.au...]

DURBAN, South Africa, Sept 2 (Reuters) - South African President Nelson Mandela on Wednesday condemned as ``narrow and chauvinistic'' the administration of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Mandela, assuming the chairmanship of the 113-nation Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) at a summit in Durban, urged the United States and the international community to press for a quick solution to tensions in the Middle East.

Mandela listed a number of security concerns facing the NAM over the three years of the South African chairmanship, but apportioned blame directly only to Netanyahu.

Mandela is no Golda Meir.

627 Loch Inkopf  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:14:39am

People have been asking how it's possible for Arafat to be dead (according to some sources) and alive (according to other). I think I can solve the problem. Way back in comment #212, I expressed my fear that Arafat, like Tito, would be kept brain-dead but technically alive on a life-support machine until it was politically expedient to switch the machine off. One of the advantages of beng a totally suspicious paranoid is how often you're proved right. I bet Arafat's ghastly diseased corpse is hooked up to a French heart-lung machine and is going to stay there until a political decision (or a French power cut) finally releases the murderous bastard's soul to everlasting hellfire.

628 HULUGU  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:15:39am

i think bush should send magic johnson to the fish's funeral to show the 'rab world what western medicine can accomplish when you have hiv--he could also sound them out on the benefits of a multi-plex in gaza--could show "battle of algiers" in all 12 theaters for years

629 Maine's Michael  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:16:49am

Hello Mudda, Hello Fadah,
Here I am at, Camp Arafata,
Camp is really, quite nauseating,
With the Fish tubed up and soiling all his bedding.

Little Abduli, he's been crying,
'Cause his meat-stick, sure is dying
Do not weep so, or be bitter,
Soon Allah will come and take our stinky shitter.

630 scott in east bay  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:19:54am

Where are the lyrics the somebody posted here last year, near the holidays...when we thought that Arafat was about to go. They were to the tune of "Frostie the Snowman" ...the only line I remember clearly was 'you have killed your final Jew' I would love to see it again.

631 Psion  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:20:04am

rightasrain---Find an Israeli restaurant in your area, and you'll find lot's of people to prctice your Hebrew on...like we practice our English here and elsewhere!

632 Paul  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:21:38am

Arafat's death will be a political decision, not a medical determination. When death is finally announced, look for a major outburst of Palestinian hysteria and grief followed by civil war.

633 rightasrain  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:23:32am

Nearly every press announcement that comes from the so-called Palestinian leaders is followed by an equally opposite announcement.

"Arafat is very, very sick."

"No, Arafat is quite healthy."

"Arafat is critically ill."

"No, Arafat is stable."

"Arafat is dead."

"No, Arafat is alive."

Arafat himself did the same thing:

"I condemn these attacks on Israel (and all attacks on civilians on both sides [which he had to say to try to spread the blame]." In English.

Then he would honor the suicide bombers as martyrs for the cause. In Arabic.

There are still people who believe it's possible to sign a peace agreement with those who see reality as being whatever they're thinking at the moment (sort of like Kerry.)

K: "I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it."

A: "We will fight terror as soon as we begin to fight terror."

(One of my favorites was when Arafat was first holed up in his compound and he said, "We agree to an immediate unconditional cease-fire on the basis of the Zinni plan which we still need to have time to work out." HOW IS IT UNCONDITIONAL IF YOU STILL NEED TIME TO DISCUSS AND WORK THINGS OUT, ARAFISH??)

I wish Arafish would hurry up and die. We've waited a long time for this.

634 Maine's Michael  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:25:07am

Alkmyst,

You will find this interesting. I saved it from a JPOST article months ago. Sorry to repost in it's entirety, but I do not believe there is a permanent link to it.:

Feb. 23, 2004
The Rogers Plan is still with us
By YOSSI BEN-AHARON


In March 1969 the Nixon administration had barely begun its term when ambassador Yitzhak Rabin was called in for an important meeting with secretary of state William Rogers. Accompanying Rabin were his deputy, the late Shlomo Argov, and myself.

What transpired in that meeting may be considered ancient history. However, two issues that were raised then have remained vitally relevant to this day.

Rogers summoned Rabin to outline the main contours of a comprehensive solution to the Arab-Israel conflict that soon became known as the Rogers Plan. The goal was to have Israel withdraw to the pre-June 1967 armistice lines in return for peace. Rogers and assistant secretary of state Joseph Sisco made their presentations. Rabin was dumbfounded. Argov's face turned red as Sisco read from a top secret – "nodis" (no distribution) paper. I took notes, trying hard not to miss one word.

"The territorial issue is the crux of the matter," Sisco intoned. As for the nature of peace, "the US believes that the type of relations existing between neighboring states that have long lived in peace is unattainable in the Middle East at this stage in history."

Argov exploded: "And for this 'unattainable' peace you want us to withdraw to lines which are indefensible?" he asked.

Rabin pressed on: "You are destroying the chances of achieving an agreement via direct negotiations. Maybe we can get a better deal through a direct give-and-take process with the Arabs." Our arguments fell on deaf ears.

SUBSEQUENTLY the Americans confided their position on borders to the Soviets, then to the Arabs. Sure enough, the Arabs soon adopted the position that a total withdrawal to the previous armistice lines was not negotiable. Later, it turned out to be one of the main causes for the stalemate in the talks with Syria and with the Palestinians.

Our heated exchanges with the Rogers team next turned to the strategic dimension. Again, Argov led the discussion: "What Israel do you want to see in the Middle East?" he asked the secretary.

"An Israel that lives in peace and normal relations with its neighbors" responded Rogers.

"In that case, you are doing the exact opposite of what you say you want to achieve," Argov retorted. "Your focus on territory will only promote friction and war, not peace nor normal relations. The Arabs will interpret your stance as an invitation to press for more concessions, until they push us with our backs to the wall.
"And if we are pushed to the wall we will respond until no target in the Middle East, including the Persian Gulf, will be beyond our reach."

Argov was intimating, of course, that in an all-out confrontation in which its existence might be threatened Israel would not hesitate to hit the Gulf oil fields. Still our arguments fell on deaf ears. Thirty-five years later we are struggling with the same basic and vital issues. Neither the lesson of the Yom Kippur War, nor the rise of PLO and Islamic terrorism have brought about an American reappraisal of its policy, or of its perception of Israel's role in the region and its impact on an Arab-Israel settlement.

Successive American administrations have persistently adhered to a settlement formula – regardless of the name given it – which focuses on territory and disregards the long-term consequences of a weakened Israel. A strategically emasculated Israel invites further Arab attempts on its existence.

A convergence of American and Israeli interests can contribute immensely to regional stability. But it will not become a reality until Washington finally turns its back on the Rogers Plan and on the entire approach that gave birth to it.

The writer is a former director general of the Prime Minister's Office under Yitzhak Shamir.

635 Alon  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:27:00am

THE FISH IS DEAD, LONG LIVE THE FISH

636 alkmyst  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:28:03am
#626 piglet 11/4/2004 12:14PM PST

Mandela (spit)


Good call - most people missed that whole boat, and realize that Mandela was a bastard himself...

...and to think that most of his funding came from South-African Jews, just to have it spit right back in their faces.

637 rightasrain  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:28:46am

#631 Psion

Find an Israeli restaurant in your area, and you'll find lot's of people to prctice your Hebrew on...like we practice our English here and elsewhere!

Oh, I do know Israelis here! I greet them in Hebrew and when they ask me in Hebrew how I'm doing, I answer "Baruch Hashem."

I've gotten so that I can recognize the Israeli accent when people are speaking English, too!

I ask "Atta Israeli?" or "At Israelit?"

They say "ken ken ken." :-)

(I love how Israelis don't usually say just one yes or one no -- it's lots of them: either "ken ken ken" or "loh loh loh loh loh!") :)

638 Maine's Michael  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:29:17am

Someone keep Ross and Indyk away from Israel. These Baker Boys have sold their souls . . .

And if anyone from Fox is listening, if I see Ross brought in for his 'expert' opinions on Fox one more time, I'm switching to Al-Jazeera.

639 Psion  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:29:27am

 WASHINGTON, Nov. 4 (Xinhuanet) -- US President George W. Bush saidon Thursday that his first reaction to news that Arafat appeared dead was "God bless his soul."

Bush said he second reaction was that "we will continue to workfor a free Palestinian state that's at peace with Israel," in response to a question about his initial reactions to the news, athis first post-election news conference in which he outlined his agenda for the second four-term at the White House.

Israeli reports said Thursday that Arafat was clinically dead, but Palestinian officials including Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei denied the report, saying Arafat was alive but in a coma. French officials also said Arafat is still alive, but "his clinical situation has become more complex". Enditem

640 DCMC  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:31:03am

Not sure if this has been reported as such anywhere else: the BBCarabic is reporting that an anonymous source said that a brain scan showed that Arafat "won't return to life."
This is the link


DCMC

641 alkmyst  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:32:48am
Arafat will Not be Buried in Green Line Israel
21:34 Nov 04, '04 / 20 Cheshvan 5765

(IsraelNN.com) Channel 2 TV quoting “high-level officials” reported earlier that Yasser Arafat will not be interred inside pre-1967 Green Line Israel.

I hate it when I'm right. Sharon is ready to grab his ankles and give them some claim to visit their "newest holiest site" in the land that they never deserved.

642 vickie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:33:27am

If it seems to be OK for America to direct and be a part of Negotiations with Israel and other Countries then of course Israel should be included directing negotiations with America and other Countries. Fair is fair.

Excuuussse me but I think Israelis have Intelligence Enough and Negotiating Skills Enough to do their OWN Negotiating for their own LAND. What comes from the West will not be accepted by Arabs long term ANYWAY. It wont last to say the least. If it lasts 10 years it will be a miracle. It wont tho.

Israelis dont need other people to DO WHATS BEST? for them. Israelis and Jews are NOT TOO STUPID to guage whats best for them. And while Im at it..we are sick of being Pawns in one issue after another. Look at a recent Krauthammers column. He says it waay better and more polite than I do.

IF the Arabs WIN and eventually get hold of Israel, Christians wont even be able to visit there. G-d only knows what will happen to Christian Sites. We course you know will happen. They will eventually suffer the same fate as the Hindu Statues AND it will be blamed on Extremist Muslims that Arabs didnt know about or couldnt DO anything about..Just like now.

643 kevin the ox  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:36:01am

On CNN:

PARIS, France (CNN) -- The French military hospital housing Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat denied reports that he had died Thursday, saying he had been transferred to another department for treatment more appropriate to his condition.


Yeah, the morgue, because he's DEAD.

I celebrated with beer last night, now it's time to break out the port!!!

644 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:36:16am

Flush the Fish!

645 alkmyst  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:37:28am
#637 rightasrain 11/4/2004 12:28PM PST

They say "ken ken ken." :-)

(I love how Israelis don't usually say just one yes or one no -- it's lots of them: either "ken ken ken" or "loh loh loh loh loh!") :)

That's cuz we're used to nobody listening the first time...

It's the only way to ever win an argument with an Israeli - repeat yourself more, and louder, and eventually, whoever is loudest must be right... :-)

646 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:39:42am

If I get any more good news this week, I am going to need a liver transplant. Wooo!

647 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:40:05am

alkmyst (#636)

...and to think that most of his funding came from South-African Jews, just to have it spit right back in their faces.

Yep, that's the thanks we get. He'd still be residing on Robben Island ...

648 dixie normous  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:40:32am

Arlen Specter cannot be judiciary committee chair.

If you agree—if you agree that good men and women cannot be kept off the Supreme Court because they are against abortion (disqualifying, for starters, any faithful Catholic, many evangelicals, Muslims, automatically…)—call and e-mail Bill Frist (and your Republican senators, if applicable) today. I’m pretty certain an overwhelming outcry from conservatives in the next few days is the only way Arlen Specter can be kept from becoming a huge obstacle.

So get to work. Frist’s number is 202-224-3344.

649 OODA Loop  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:44:29am

Tamar, has Rosh mentioned that we'll be in your neighborhood right after Chanukah?

650 coastygirl  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:45:58am

So whats the haps?!? Is the bastie dead yet???
Push the little daisies and make them come up...!

651 joshin  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:46:34am

Re: #630 The lyrics you are looking for.

Credit to Scott in East Bay:
Yasseer the dead man
You have told your final lie
With the soul of a rat and a rag for a hat
You can kiss your ass goodbye

Yasser the dead man
You have killed your final Jew
the facade is down, you butchering clown
There's a place in hell for you

Dogs like you are nothing new, we've seen your ilk before

Your lips speak peace, but underneath, you're rotten to the core

Yasser the dead man
There's only one thing left to say
You're a pig, you're a whore
Let us show you the door
Take your place in hell today.

652 Psion  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:48:34am

ReALLY? Write me at the ***Bezeqint.Net address! Aaron!

653 transient  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:52:32am

Mommydoc, I hope your boards went well! Take a well-deserved study-break!

My current speculation is that Arafat has a significant bleed in a critical (and untreatable) area of the brain, as a result of his thrombocytopenia, and is the cause of his being on life (death) support. This would be consistent with media reports of "irreversible coma." I simply do not believe he has a negative head CT given the progression of his condition (despite the AFP report alluded to by an early LGF post).

The underlying condition is likely HIV/AIDS, since leukemia appears to have been excluded. While severe liver dysfunction can also produce platelet abnormalities, bleeding, and encephalopathy, I think there would have been some visual indication of this in the photographs. Other physician comments welcome.

I think the Maariv article [in Hebrew] is correct: he may be clinically dead but they are keeping him on life support until the top Palestinian honchos can agree on what they're going to do with themselves, and come to some agreement about where to go from here, who's going to control what. The people in line to take power will want their hands firmly on the reins before they announce.

France will withhold information because it does not help the Palestinians to release news of his death prematurely. There will be no official comment on AIDS (unless it's denial) for reasons of patient confidentiality and general embarrassment.

The film loop HenryS referred to, where a Palestinian withdraws his hand as Arafat tries to kiss it may be viscerally amusing, but also supports (in a highly speculative manner) the idea he has HIV. There is a level of (usually unwarranted) fear regarding casual contact and HIV. Very plausible that someone would not want Arafat kissing him if he knew Arafat was HIV (+).

654 transient  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:54:19am

#645 alkmyst

I recall with pride the few times I have been able to win an argument with an Israeli-- in Hebrew!

655 danieldevil  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:58:34am

Hey! I couldasworn i saw Arafat waving @ the cameras
this morning. Is he dead or not?

On the plus side Edwards' wife has cancer...

656 OODA Loop  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:59:24am
ReALLY?

you betcha:-)

email send to the '19' address. Hope that's the most recent one.

657 mommydoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:00:17am

transient: Thank you for your good wishes.

658 Rufus Lee King  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:00:29am

The Corpse Swarm mobs are forming. Watch for his picnic tablecloth headcovering on EBay.

659 Doctor Bean  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:00:37am

Arafat: "I'm not dead. I'm feeling much better! I want to sing!"

mommydoc: how'd the beta-blocker go?

660 rosh  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:01:08am

ken ken ken ken! Then I can practice listening to Hebrew really fast too! :D
I'm sooo excited to be going to Israel!

661 vickie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:02:02am

Zulubaby: The Origional Civil Rights (NOT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION ADD ONS and Enless Welfare) came from the heart and brain of Joseph Raugh. NOT Hubert Humphrey. Raugh just handed it over to Hubi to make a speach at the Dem Convention. Hubert gets credit for it...No So. It was Joseph Raugh. Where is HIS day? Where is HIS recognition?

After the Civil Rights Act was passed and after Joseph Raugh had worked for Civil Rights for ALL for Decades...he was thrown out of a Civil Rights Meeting--made to stand in the Hall...cause he wasnt black. Isnt that SPECIAL?

None of ou other former friends said a thing MUCH about Louis Farrakan when HE went after Jews.

Thats the truth. And thats why lots of us have changed parties. Our OTHER friends in the Dem Party , Labor, etc ALSO said squat at the disCUSTING Antisememtic remarks of Farrakan, Jackson, Sharpton etc.

What was the name of that Jewish woman so active in helping the demise of Aparteit Movement in S. Africa and what happened to HER? Nothing good, I heard.

662 Maine's Michael  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:02:10am

Transient,

If we discount the words of palestinian officials as lies/unreliable, we are left with a few facts:

1) He has throbocytopenia, which, even with transfusions, would mean well under 100,000 platelets.

2) He stuttered into a coma.

Sounds like an intracranial bleed to me.

Underlying AIDS? I'd bet money on it. It would explain his bouts of incoherence over the last few months, as well as the impression of organic brain syndrome on the video loop we talked about on a thread a few days back, mentioned again by HenryS today . . .

Hence the non-diagnosis of a 'mysterious ailment', after earlier promises of a diagnosis by the Percy Hospital.

663 cba  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:03:36am

#655 danieldevil:

On the plus side Edwards' wife has cancer...

That's a disgusting thing to say.

664 Psion  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:04:30am

Yes, the "19" is the correct one!

665 transient  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:09:04am

#585 "The Virtue of Hate."

I think the writer is confusing hate with opposition. It is not necessary, or even desirable, to hate in order to be actively opposed to something or someone, or to work for their defeat. Hate can often be ineffective, ultimately self-defeating, or over-shoot the mark.

A few on this thread (and others) have suggested that public gloating over his death is inappropriate, and have been promptly flamed and even accused of being Arafat supporters or at least enablers, which I think is unwarranted.

In the case of Arafat, hate is entirely appropriate given his life history. It does not necessarily follow that public displays of joy are appropriate. One can feel hate for Arafat, and satisfaction, relief, even joy, at his imminent/death, without ululating.

I understand the desire to vent, and the lack of tolerance for anyone raining nuance on the parade. But I choose to 'celebrate' privately, or with a few immediate friends.

666 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:10:00am

vickie, do you mean Helen Suzman?

667 AW  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:10:33am

Hate to be a party pooper but I haven't heard from one credible source that Arafat is dead. He has been moved to a special care facility, everything else is rumors and speculation. If the doctors want to they can probably keep him alive for months even if he is in a coma.

668 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:10:44am

655 Troll

Why don't you just drop the word F@G or N!GGER if you want to prove we'll all junior Nazis here?

669 SangerM  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:11:29am

645 alkmyst 11/4/2004 12:37PM PST

It's the only way to ever win an argument with an Israeli - repeat yourself more, and louder, and eventually, whoever is loudest must be right... :-)
--
That's a Jewish thing, not just Israeli. I was part of a noisy (formerly eastern European) Jewish family where there were usually several people speaking at once. The conversations criss-crossed the room(s) and participants changed every 20-30 seconds; when things got heated, more and more people would be drawn into the central--usually noisiest--discussion. At some point, the volume would be too loud for Bubby or Poppop and they would shush folks and tell them to calm down. Some Yiddish, some Hebrew, some Russian, and English.

And that vocal repetition is a space holder, like uh in English, meaning, "I ain't done yet, I'm just catching my breath..."

I do miss those days.

-SangerM

670 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:12:21am

#655 must be a Moby. Brand new registerant.

671 AW  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:13:55am

#655 danieldevil

Registered lizardoid since: 11/04/04 12:49:34 PM

Go away troll.

672 transient  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:14:20am

#662 ME's Michael: agreed. That's what I was basing my conclusions on. That's the limit of the reliable information we've gotten.

673 SangerM  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:15:35am

655 danieldevil 11/4/2004 12:58PM PST

That was a pretty sorry remark about Edwards wife, asshole. Maybe you should rethink your connection to humanity.

ESAD.

674 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:17:23am

Transient


I could be wrong (no medical knowledge other than what I picked up watching "ER" and "Emergency!", but I had the impression that with the modern anti-retroviral "cocktails" the affluent could live for a decade or more with HIV

675 rightasrain  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:18:23am

Well, I don't think Israelis or Americans will be dancing in the streets or passing out sweets when Arafat breathes his last, but I think a lot of us will be dancing in our hearts!

It's ok to vent here, though. It's the internet. We're allowed. :)

Right As Rain

676 vickie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:18:45am

Zulu: I think thats the lady I mean. Part of the AMC? (was that what the Party name was?) or at least very active in helping the S. Africans fight Aparteid. An invaluable resource for them. I heard that she had the same type experience that Joseph Raugh had..ie she helped tremedously for years and years and was rejected soon as the job was done.

Incidently even tho Raugh was thrown OUT..thats physically, and made to stand in the Hallway (the back of the bus) he never expressed anger over this shameFUL incident. I blew my top immediately upon hearing what happened. I hit the ceiling. I was livid then and Im livid about it to this day.

I think it was SNIC that he was apart of. Its been a long time so I may have that wrong..(plus the spelling of the Organization...ie Student NonViolent Coordinating Committee) Maybe it is SNCC. I cant remember now.

677 rosh  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:19:22am

Not cool, danieldevil. Try to buy some human compassion.

678 rightasrain  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:19:48am

Ed Moran, Arafat has probably already had his decade of living ok with AIDS. He's been boinking his bodyguards and other men for a long, long time.

I think the trembling lips have been a sign of AIDS all along.

679 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:20:24am

Helen Suzman is still going strong.

"I had hoped for something much better," said Mrs Suzman, 86. "The poor in this country have not benefited at all from the ANC. This government spends 'like a drunken sailor'. Instead of investing in projects to give people jobs, they spend millions buying weapons and private jets, and sending gifts to Haiti."

Dressed in a blue blouse, trousers and matching jewellery, Mrs Suzman's tiny frame became powerfully animated as she discussed the subject of Zimbabwe and President Thabo Mbeki's failure to curb the excesses of his neighbour, President Robert Mugabe.

"Mugabe has destroyed that country while South Africa has stood by and done nothing. The way Mugabe was feted at the inauguration last month was an embarrassing disgrace. But it served well to illustrate very clearly Mbeki's point of view."

She gestured fiercely with the manicured middle finger of her right hand and added: "Mugabe has done that to the whites, and I think that is exactly what Mbeki admires about him. Don't think for a moment that Mbeki is not anti-white - he is, most definitely. His speeches all have anti-white themes and he continues to convince everyone that there are two types of South African - the poor black and the rich white.

"Meanwhile, he doesn't do what he should be doing, which is improving the lives of the people who voted for him. Mbeki's attitudes to Mugabe and to HIV/Aids are the reason we are not getting the levels of foreign investment that we should."

680 Maine's Michael  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:23:03am
I had the impression that with the modern anti-retroviral "cocktails" the affluent could live for a decade or more with HIV

Arafat's been gay an awful long time. Also, he may not have wanted to be so obvious about taking cupfuls of pills everyday, holed up (no pun) as he was with a bunch of increasingly cantakerous (but probably decidedly heterosexual) thugs for the last few years.

I'm not a weatherman, but I learned to erroneously predict the weather watching TV weathermen ;)

681 rightasrain  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:25:20am

My best wishes to Elizabeth Edwards and her newly diagnosed cancer.

It sounds like it's treatable (caught early enough, etc.) so I wish her all the best in combating and fighting it to a good outcome for her.

Best wishes to her whole family in coping with this. It's a rough road, but it sounds like she's got things moving to combat it.

682 rosh  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:28:17am

Arafat is a deeply delusional power-hungry terrorist with anger-management problems.
Theory: Either no one wanted to tell the beloved Chairman he had AIDS or he ignored the reality.

683 transient  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:28:32am

#674 Ed;

You're right about the cocktails, but we don't know if Arafat was ever officially diagnosed with HIV prior to arriving in France. If Arafat had sought early treatment in an Israeli or other Western hospital, he certainly could have gotten it. But (and I'm not in any way trying to blame Israel for this) his access to decent medical care was obviously limited by his remaining in the Muqata. Yes, he could have left at any time to get care, without being allowed to return, but obviously he was not prepared to take that step.

Also, for the anti-virals to be maximally effective, they need to be started early, preferably before the onset of AIDS symptoms (which is to be distinguished from infection by HIV). If his diagnosis was late, the anti-virals might not have done him much good, even if he was getting treatment.

684 vickie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:33:42am

Zulu: Didnt she sort of get thrown out or demoted in the AMC? I remember reading something...(long time ago) and thinking how HER treatment was similar to Joseph Raugh. I think she THOUGHT that when S. Africa changed to Black Rule there would be little White Hatred and that all would live together in "brotherhood".

Im not suprised that she is still speaking out...What a mensch. Old warrior for Fairness for All. Rejection of Hate from any side.

We need to learn some lessons on who to support from watching these types of cases.

Imagine..Jews working for Equity for ALL...(not what came after that was added on by others) for Decades upon Decades (No you didnt have to be Commies to work for Fairness and Decent Treatment for all)..almost from the time we put our foot on these shores...were discarded soon as the people we worked for got what they wanted.

I guess we being who we are and OUR Values..will STILL do it no matter how we are treated afterwards...sheesh

685 transient  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:33:58am

#680, 682

Both are good points. Taking a load of anti-viral medication would be pretty obvious, and he would not want it to be public knowledge.

Either no one wanted to tell the beloved Chairman he had AIDS or he ignored the reality.

All are possible. We just don't know the facts.

686 satan sidekick  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:38:07am

they are holding a candlelight vigil outside YackSack hospital.


BOO F'n HOO!!

687 PDM  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:52:01am

#663 cba,

On the plus side Edwards' wife has cancer...
That's a disgusting thing to say.

Absolutely sickening. This is a thread about a man who dedicated his life to murdering countless Jews and non-Jews. It may not be in the greatest character to celebrate his death, but we are human and such joy is understandable.
But to express joy over Mrs. Edwards' condition for a mere conflict in ideology is vile and disgusting.
I personally wish Mrs. Edwards well, and I wish troll #655 would f' off. We don't need that here.

688 cba  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 12:04:23pm

#687 PDM:
Thanks for expressing so eloquently what I felt.

689 piglet  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 12:41:50pm

...

690 piglet  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 12:43:53pm
Mr. Praline: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this bird wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'E's bleedin' demised!

Owner: No no! 'E's pining!

Mr. Praline: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e
rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the
bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!

691 Jheka  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 12:45:38pm

#550 LittleOld Lady:

Thanks ... I particularly like #2, once it gets going.

692 Studsup  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 1:40:18pm

If Arafat is alive on life support, a French decision to remove it might prove interesting and, perhaps, volatile. I don't know how Shari'a addresses this.

693 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 1:50:40pm

Doesn't matter what they do with the old monster's carcase. His soul is in Hell, roasting on a spit.

694 alkmyst  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 3:05:27pm
#655 danieldevil 11/4/2004 12:58PM PST
Hey! I couldasworn i saw Arafat waving @ the cameras
this morning. Is he dead or not?

Trying to be funny

On the plus side Edwards' wife has cancer...

Failing miserably, troll

695 alkmyst  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 3:33:11pm
#634 Maine's Michael 11/4/2004 12:25PM PST
The writer is a former director general of the Prime Minister's Office under Yitzhak Shamir.

Shamir is one of the few Israeli politicians that didn't wind up being extremely rich by going on speaking tours in the U.S. or, have vast business in Israel.

Currently, he is in need of special care for the elderly, which would cost maybe 20,000 shekel a month, tops. That equates to about $4,500 a month. He is a former Prime Minister of Israel, and in my opinion one of the very best, and the Sharon government (Sharon owns more land than almost anyone in Israel) refuses to pick up the tab on this.

Keep in mind that every U.S. president gets secret service protection for life, and Sharon cannot even find it in his heart to take care of a sick, elderly man who served Israel in too many ways to even list here.

Meanwhile, Sharon uses the lowest legal trick he could find, probably thanks to Dov Weisglas, to go against Israel's Basic Law, and instead of trying to pass a budget in the elected government, go behind all of our backs.

Please get the message out to put some pressure on Netanyahu would be the best bet here, but anything to MK's would be important, to help Yitzhak Shamir, and retain at least some of their own dignity from their failed political careers.

For more on Sharon's criminal behavior, read Evelyn Gordon at Jerusalem Post.

696 traveler  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:33:22pm

#695 alkmyst

That's a terrible way to treat someone who served his country.

Wish Netanyahu would get involved -- I respect him.

697 traveler  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:35:01pm

Arafat's wife is reportedly cut out of his will -- so if this is true, and he isn't dead yet, maybe she'll finish him off!

Seriously, wouldn't she be mad enough to spill the beans on his cavorting with boys, or maybe his real medical condition?

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

698 mommydoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:23:53pm

Dr. Bean: The metoprolol worked like a charm. I test drove 12.5mg the first day of mock orals, and it helped the palpitations, but I was still aware of my heart pounding (albeit more gently.) The second day I took 25mg. Perfect. So I took it for my oral exam and felt fine. I was still nervous, but I wasn't distracted by my heart pounding out of my chest. And no asthma attack.

Thanks for asking.

699 Veeshir  Fri, Nov 5, 2004 3:54:09am

Ding dong the Fish is dead!
Which old Fish?
The wicked Fish!
Ding dong the Arafish is Dead!!!

All that's left is for the Lollipop Kids to pass out candy on the American Street.

As they say,
This is the time on Schprockets when we dance!!!

700 semadar  Sat, Nov 6, 2004 8:05:06am

Does anyone know how to contact Ashley Banfield ?
I want to tell her that her sleezy little buddy is dying, in case she does'nt know.


(sarcasm on.)


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