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Kos Kandidates Krushed

Thu, Nov 4, 2004 at 7:07:45 am PST

“Rising Democratic star” Markos “Screw Them” Zuniga sponsored 15 Democratic candidates for Congress, raising a total of more than half a million dollars for their campaigns from his gullible followers.

And every single one of those candidates lost. Good call, Kos! (Thanks to the many who emailed about this.)

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1 JohnAnnArbor  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:09:18am

He can sure pick 'em.

2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:09:35am

Ah, What is best in life?

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the lefties.

/conan off

3 noshariaincanada  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:09:54am

Gotta love the sound of Demo$ flushing down the drain ! Kind of like George Soros' misplaced Million$.

4 Miss Trixie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:10:10am

What a chooch!


Loser.

5 jp1tx  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:10:13am

I wonder what percentage of funds raised actually went to the canidates' campaigns.

6 anonyrat  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:10:37am

I read Kos almost every day. While I do not agree with most (if not all) of his positions, he states his case well and it allows me to understand the opposition and their thought process.

The liberals are doomed.

7 Ali Al-Beheshti  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:11:25am

BS"D

I wonder how many of the kossites are going to go into diabetic shock from an OD of "Just Desserts .

Daschle dumped, Arafag dying, the Kerry-Edwards snogfest down-in-flames... Ah life is good!

8 Tman  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:11:27am

With all this good news today, someone better pinch me....

Next thing you know there will be news that we confirmed Osama's DNA on a cave stain in Tora Bora....

oh please oh please oh please.......

maybe thats pushing it...

9 Dave the.....  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:12:26am

Related LLL content.

Stopped at a Borders bookstore last night afterwork just to browse (don't like to spend money there).

Three employees were standing around the information desk in the center of the store talking about how horrible the election was and how stupid Americans are. Fine, no big deal. But then one said the most scarey thing about Bush is that he's one of those Christian types.

Didn't really surprise me.

10 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:12:27am

It's not kos' fault. The American electorate is just a bunch of morons who simply can't grasp his brilliant analyses.

Effin' idiots.

11 Vortec  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:13:04am

We should help Zuniga 'raise' more money for more candidates in '06 and '08.

Loser.

12 metroman  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:13:28am

I deteKt a sKowl.

I read the front page of DailyKos yesterday. It was mean spirited. It Kontained no refreshing viewpoints or outlooKs. He interalaced references to his AmeriKan roots with attacKs against the right.

I hope he Kan learn to find happiness. Right now I thinK he is an unhappy human being.

13 Zonie  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:14:33am

#9 that's why I get books at Amazon... no snotty bookstore clerk types.

14 JohnAnnArbor  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:14:40am

#9--

Someone should collect all the LLL predictions of the consequences of a second Bush term. Some were so bizarre that reading them in three years would be fascinating.

15 Model4  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:14:53am

Dawned on me (I can be slow) that by picking up and promoting the likes of Wonkette and Kos, the MSM and Dem establishment are pretty much revealing they're going to stick to their looney left ways. These are NOT the voices I'd try to be steering the masses toward were I a campaign manager.

At any rate, I got the impression that there were a lot of younger, first-time donors to political parties and candidate during this election. Seems some gave quite a lot to liberal causes. Could be that a lot of them are feeling very burned about their investment, especially since 98%+ of the libs were playing sugar daddy to a candidate that they did not want as the party's nominee.

16 johnCV  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:16:16am

Slightly OT

Some say we are at the point of a culture war in this country. The conventional wisdom defines the two camps as the conservatives (Religious/Evangelical/Christian/Traditional) against the liberal (Secular/Progressive/Atheist/Socialist). I believe that each group comprises larger segments of the population than those narrow definitions, but no matter.

The Left is calling for the President, now that he has won by a significant margin, to surrender on the core issues he believes in, has run on, and has won on. For the sake of ‘tolerance’ and ‘uniting’ the country, the Left is demanding for example, that results on the Gay Marriage amendments now be ignored. They also wish for Bush to now admit his methods in Iraq were flawed, and use this new term to ‘set a new course’. The Left wants Bush to take this opportunity to ‘reach out’ and ‘mend relationships’ with france and Germany. Another issue being pushed by the Left as part of the reconciliation package is to come down harder on Ariel Sharon, and work more the palistinians on the eternal peace process (all process, no peace).
It seems to me, that this was the platform of their Presidential nominee. He lost. No recount needed.

The Left incessantly preaches the virtues of ‘tolerance’ and ‘diversity’, as long as it conforms to their definition. A good example are the Gay Marriage Amendments. They simply can not grasp the fact that a significant (now a majority), will not accept the assault on traditional marriage driven by NON-elected judges in one state. Traditionalists refuse to accept that the millennia old institution of marriage ( the fundamental societal building block) be destroyed to accommodate a new definition simply because a small minority of people want it to validate their position in society. Typical judicial over reaching by the Left has divided this country on this issue, not President Bush. The Amendments were a response to this attack, not a first strike. I suspect that most Americans, conservatives as well, would be receptive to some sort of gay union situation if it were structured in such a way so as not to take something away from traditional marriage. Two consenting adults should be allowed to arrange their personal affairs as they wish. Most people fall into this live and let live category, regardless of their personal moral convictions. But the Left insists on their confrontational attitude of “It’s My Right” or “You’re a bigot of you don’t agree with me” etc. These were the kids on the playground who got picked last for teams because they were jerks. By always accusing and attacking, they give no reason for comity.

The Left is also ‘outraged’ that America ‘forces Democracy at gunpoint’ onto indigenous people in Afghanistan and Iraq. They clamor for working through the UN to get troops into a country – of course they don’t seem to realize the only troops available are from the United States. This is because the Old European ‘allies’, have all gone soft and left the worlds’ defense to the US. Military expenditures are so ‘low class’ and would draw vital resources from their utopian welfare state. All play and no work makes Jacques president for life.

There is a fundamental difference on how the Left and Right view the world, and it IS irreconcilable. But if civil discourse is used by both sides, there could be compromises in some areas. The abusive and mocking tone of the Left during this campaign about not only the Candidate, but of his supporters was vicious. There are a lot of hard feelings about some of the things said – and especially because they were not repudiated by the Left leadership. They showed tacit and sometimes open agreement with some of the most vile vitriol of Soros, Moore, Kennedy, Harkin, Dean, MoveOn.org, etc. Nothing like this, in either tone or volume, was said from the Right. Now they want accommodation.

I want an apology.

/sorry, perhaps a bit long winded

17 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:16:45am
“Rising Democratic star” Markos “Screw Them” Zuniga

This is the best they've got, Markos Zuniga. Same as Kerry was the best they could offer in terms of a candidate. The democratic party needs an extreme makeover and the first thing they should do is kick Zuniga to the curb. That is, if they want to get back to being a respected and respectable party. It makes perfect sense that Zuniga drools writes for al-Guardian. What doesn't make sense is why he lives in the US.

18 Jed  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:17:25am

His clients got the Kos of death.

19 Norwegian kafir  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:18:02am

Here's an excellent article about what the Left has in common with Islam:

The Left and Islam: Tweedledee and Tweedle dum

For the Leftists, it is difficult to admit that capitalism, a system built on the greed and self interests of the individual actually produces greater wealth and freedoms than Communism does. Their ideal society, which requires the individual to subordinate his interests for the greater good of his society, cannot be put into practice because it is against human nature.

For the Islamists, it is difficult to admit that their vision of the perfect Islamic state ruled in accordance to God's laws does not work because that would be saying that their religion is false. Muslims are expected to follow closely the words and deeds of their Prophet who lived 1,400 years ago as recorded in the Koran and Hadith. It is of course blasphemous of them to ask if their Prophet's behavior is still relevant or practical today. Both Leftists and Islamists are following false ideologies sustained by their faith.

20 Frank IBC  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:18:39am

Thanks to George Soros - George Bush is still President, but George Soros is several billion dollars poorer.

21 mad_scientist  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:20:34am

OT, but how will it take before the first wacko leftist group starts campaigning for Bush's impeachment??

My guess.....about 2 weeks.

22 Smitty  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:22:49am

Charles,

I know you have to make a living, pay the bills, eat, etc.

But that picture in the add on the right is starting to creep me out...

Smitty

23 FrankNH  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:23:24am

20 Frank IBC
Yes, but think what all those billions of $ did to help out our "ailing" economy.

Thank you, George.

24 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:23:51am

So this is OT but I need help

I sent a gloating email to a friend in San Francisco. He's one of those Atheist Liberal types.....Here's what I sent

Please accept my heartfelf condolences.......
51% of the POPULAR VOTE!!!!!!!!! Record number of voters!!!!!!!!

Here was the fools reply

"His continuing bad judgment and thorough incompetence is nothing to celebrate
However in texas and the south these flaws don't matter as much as being the god candidate... Praise the lord and make more coffins..."

Sooooooo I need to respond and I'd love some ideas. Any one interested? Anyone got anything that is pithy? Something to stop him dead in his tracks--whatever. Suggestions are welcome as I can't think this morning, still hungover--VIVA BUSH!

25 strictnein  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:23:52am

#20 - Frank

Thanks to George Soros - George Bush is still President, but George Soros is several billion dollars poorer.

Soros spent roughly $25 million.

26 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:23:57am

HAAAHAHHAAAAAHAAAAAAHEEEEEHEEEEEHEEEEEEHAAhAAAAAHA AAAHAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAHA HA HA HA
HA HAAAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAA HA!

27 elevenbravo1969  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:25:27am

As we used to say in the 101st Abn, "Tell 'im to make an appointment with the Chaplain."

28 Son Of The Godfather  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:25:29am

Kos and effect:

Effect - ALL his guys LOST
Kos? - Kos he's an asshole.

SOTG

29 Smitty  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:25:48am

#24 The PP

Why bother?

30 Sol Roth  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:26:58am

Open Dismissive to Kos:

Just as your economic policy failed your communist bretheren in the USSR, North Korea, Cuba and China, so has the underlying Marxist doctrine that drives your genocidal political ideology failed you.

This election wasn't about terrorism, it was about the electorate's repudiation of the evils of collectivism.

May you rot in hell with Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Marx and Stalin, Zuniga.

31 Desso Studios  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:28:05am

#24 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Tell him not to break his neck trying to fellate himself; it doesn't look like wheelchair bound people are going to get up and walk around anytime soon.

32 Necklace of Shoes  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:28:28am

Lo! How the mighty have fallen.


Krugman's next!

33 wong fei hung  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:29:12am

#26 Free Speech

If I may echo your comments and elaborate...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
OH, MAN - WHAT A JACKASS!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAH

34 Eric Castillo  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:29:40am

I finally figured it out. I BET KOS IS A KARL ROVE PLANT!!! I mean, if every candidate he backs loses, and he brings the debate to "screw them" levels... he's obviously a Republican working to discredit the left.

35 THUNDER  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:32:51am

Here are a couple of fun sites:

We are the Champions!

Cox and Forkum

enjoy!

36 Vulgorilla  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:33:33am

It was truly an election about values. From the Swiftboat Vets, to Kerry's lying about his Vietnam service (Christmas in Cambodia), it all mattered to the red states, and some of the old blue states.

Kerry, who by his own admission, had committed acts of treason and sedition, and was a self-confessed war criminal, and probably was deservedly awarded a deshonorable discharge (if we could only have seen his military records -- all of them!), was the best the Democrats could do. The mind truly boggles that the inhabitants of the fever swamp couldn't find a more acceptable candidate for the majority of Americans.

It's the classic case of the left falling on their sword. As soon as those idiot justices in Massachussets made their ruling on gay marriage, I told the wife "That clinches Bush's re-election". I got the 'look of puzzlement' until I explained about anti-gay marriage ballot initiatives that would be now placed on the Nov 2nd ballot in response, and the resultant stampede to the polls by the social conservatives, and evangelicals, on election day, who also by the way, are very heavy Bush voters. It was a great way to get out the vote for Bush! A tip o' the hat to the Dems for sealing Bush's re-election.

37 Havoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:33:33am

#20 You wish

C'mon Frank, a $Billion, is a thousand millions.

Soros spent at most $20 million, chump change for a guy like him, what he took out on the monthly re-Fi on his realestate.

We could only hope he is so corrupt that he did it with client funds from holding accounts and didn't tell them and Eliot Spitzer gives him the Martha Stewart treatment.

Soros is particularly odious considering his venal attacks and how Soros operates his enterprises, a currency extortionist wrecking countries economies like Malaysia and Indonesia.

If he'd never made it out of the hood,

He'd be the guy one of us would sacrifice ourselves to take out, just to clean up the town for our families.

There's no international law yet against guys like Soros, yet, he has avoided the he Euro or the Ruble because he fears the security services and mafias of those places -- he's from Hungary.

38 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:33:49am

#29 Smitty

You have a point there

AND

#31 Desso


That's funny! Thanks for the giggle :)

39 ErnieG  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:33:50am

This is such a disappointment. He only backed 15 candidates? Such a waste. Maybe next time he should be encouraged to back more of them.

40 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:33:55am

That's some track record. Ofer! The goose egg. The schneid. Zip. Zero. Nada. Natch.

Who was saying that Kos was on the cutting edge of the DNC? Expect the Kos to be flushed in the early purge unless the DNC wants to turn Kos into the next Bob Shrum (who's ofer the Prez).

41 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:33:59am
Thanks to George Soros - George Bush is still President, but George Soros is several billion dollars poorer.

At this rate, by the 2010 midterm elections George Soros will be headed for the poor house.

By the way I'm not buying the media's line that the Bush victory was a result of angry Christian conservatives troubled by the erosion of moral values. I can remember Republican campaigns far more focused on those moral issues which absolutely flopped (1992, 1996, and to a certain extent 2000). None of those campaigns came close to 58,000,000 votes. The media 'claims' their exit polling data backs up these claims, but we all know how laughably wrong those early exit polls turned out to be. I just sense that the media is trying to smear all Republican votes as votes for the 'Christian Right'. Any feed back lizardoids?

42 Frank IBC  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:34:36am

I still say we should demand that he sign Form 180.

Kos, that is. I have my doubts...

43 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:35:11am

#39 ErnieG

Now that's good strategerizing! :)

44 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:35:12am

#33 wong

HAAHAAAHAAAAA!!! indeed.
The left are miserable, vile, bitter folk - kissing cousins to the enemy of freedom - AND THEY LOST.
It's rather funny, and it's time to enjoy our success.

45 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:35:18am
46 wong fei hung  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:35:32am

Check out this actblue profile for Dan Mongiardo (D-KY):

"Republican Senator Jim Bunning is self-destructing, as his mental health is called into question. Mongiardo, who had been running an uphill race against an entrenched Republican, has suddenly catapulted to the top of the pickup list given Bunning's very public deterioration. A target of opportunity, let's help give Mongiardo one last push."

Guess the Republicans are even for Ashcroft's Senate defeat now, considering the Democrats couldn't beat someone whose mental health is being called into question...

47 apotheosis  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:35:34am

#18
#28

No Kos for alarm?

48 byGum  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:36:10am

#16 nice post.

however, you'll wait for, like, forever for that apology.

49 Geepers  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:37:38am

Does anyone recognize the statistical improbability of getting 15 in a row wrong? Truly Kos has a gift for ferreting out the losers.

50 Frank IBC  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:38:09am

I don't know for sure whether or not "Defense of Marriage" played a decisive role in Bush's victory. However I do know that the utterly inept manner in which the Gay Left presented Gay Marriage to the American people, gave the Religious Right a hot-button issue that it would not have had otherwise.

51 Gretchen  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:38:42am

I love the LLL mantra that there is no mandate. Yeah right, with the MSM aligned against Bush he still gets a majority and pretty much a BLOWOUT in House and Senate elections.

I keep thinking, okay, we'll go along with that as long as the left will admit that Americans do not want same sex marriage as there is a MUCH larger mandate to ban it. The closest result was 57/43 in lefty Oregon, and many states were in the 75/25 range.

Face it lefties - when your guy and almost all of the Republican reps and Senators in competitive races win, it is a MANDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Move On! (To Canada!)

52 andthenblammo!  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:39:21am

The main thing about the "voters stupid because they didn't vote for my candidates" theme is that it reveals the true amateur status of guys like Kos. This is not how people trying to assemble a majority of voters work. They mumble some fluff about "working hard for your trust, and reaching out, etc. etc.", and start plotting a message that will convince more people that their interests are best served by their candidates. Calling people stupid is not likely to get them to listen to you next election, if ever. Kos and his ilk go for the edgy, tell it like it is, no baloney, screw you if you don't like it style that is supposed to appeal to today's hip, new, now, happening generation. We saw how well it worked, and can only hope they keep it up.

53 Smit  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:39:41am

He lost 15 times in one night?

There's a joke in there somewhere.

;)

54 FreakyBoy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:40:29am

One of Kos' rants went:

"It's over...for now."

I sure hope not, we need your candidate endorsements in 06' and 08'.

Don't give up the fight.

55 metroman  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:41:25am

#24,

Unfortunately, I lost a few friends this election. I had to stand up for what I believe in. Their cause is a house of cards built upon the idea that all men must adopt the socialist mindset. There are countless examples in history to draw upon in explaining the war in Iraq as part of the broader war on terrorism. But to get your friend to see the light would require a fundamental shift in beliefs.

I wished my friends well, and will always consider them my friends, but I will not change what I believe, nor will I waste my energy in engaging them in arguments. I will stand for what I believe and move on. History will decide who is right. The American people have spoken and we will find out what happens in the next four years. I think it bodes well for peace loving people in the Middle East.

56 Geepers  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:41:43am

Smit (#53),

He lost 15 times in one night?

There's a joke in there somewhere.

He.

57 nikkisma17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:41:48am

OT:

Say it ain't so!! I hear Ashcroft may be leaving too?!?! anybody know what's up? DO we think Rudy is in for Attny Gen?


From FNC:
"Another sticky item could be a Supreme Court appointment, with Chief Justice William Rehnquist (search), 80, suffering from thyroid cancer. Time and energy also will be consumed dealing with the inevitable rash of Cabinet departures, likely to include at least Secretary of State Colin Powell (search), national security adviser Condoleezza Rice (search), Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge and Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson."

59 Model4  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:43:13am

#41 Dirk Diggler: Good point, I think that hand is definitely being overplayed. Besides, remember that Kerry too was the devout Christian candidate whose religion would guide his decisions.

More than anything, I think after 9/11 more people started paying attention to the news. And after seeing amazingly stupid and un-American things from our liberals, started looking at them more critically. Combine that with the nastiness and unfairness with which the libs conducted themselves, it seems many just made it a point to get out an vote to keep them from winning.

60 Nancy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:43:54am

Now this definitely calls for gloating --

Will Kos figure out what went wrong as far as what his contribution was?

I doubt it, I have not seen too many of them able to get beyond the fault and blame game.

I would lay odds the next weeks instead of examining what is wrong with the ideology and the campaign of hatred for someone/something they will be analyzing for strategies of how to better promote the VERY same.

It's like trying to sell a defective product and instead of fixing it --figure out how to better package it to make it more appealing.

61 Gretchen  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:44:33am

I'd think the environmentalist's would have had some problems with Edwards as the guy (and I use the term loosely) is an enormous threat to the ozone.

MUST SEE VIDEO
[Link: slate.msn.com...]

62 pragmatist  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:44:39am

The best part of this past election - besides the
results - is reading what the LLL is writing now.

"How could so many Americans not get it?" is
one of their favored comments.

I guess it is simply impossible for them to understand
that now, the majority of Americans who took the
time to vote feel the SAME WAY ABOUT THEM!

So WHY don't they get it?

The next political war will not be in the Republican
Party. It will be between the "America is ALWAYS
Wrong" and the "American Moderate [??]" wings
of the democrat party.

63 Elcid  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:45:16am

24 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

However in texas and the south these flaws don't matter as much as being the god candidate... Praise the lord and make more coffins..."

Your reply to #31 Desso, is probably the best reply possible, for I take you as someone, that WILL NOT rest until you do send something 'stinging'

Your reply was, simply...
That's funny! Thanks for the giggle :)

64 zulubaby  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:45:23am

Norwegian kafir, great links, thanks.

65 Pooh  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:45:29am

Britain's media sink further into the slime...

GOD HELP AMERICA Nov 4 2004

THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN..

[Extract]
"THEY say that in life you get what you deserve. Well, today America has deservedly got a lawless cowboy to lead them further into carnage and isolation and the unreserved contempt of most of the rest of the world

This once-great country has pulled up its drawbridge for another four years and stuck a finger up to the billions of us forced to share the same air. And in doing so, it has shown itself to be a fearful, backward-looking and very small nation.

This should have been the day when Americans finally answered their critics by raising their eyes from their own sidewalks and looking outward towards the rest of humanity.

And for a few hours early yesterday, when the exit polls predicted a John Kerry victory, it seemed they had.

But then the horrible, inevitable truth hit home. They had somehow managed to re-elect the most devious, blinkered and reckless leader ever put before them. The Yellow Rogue of Texas.

A self-serving, dim-witted, draft-dodging, gung-ho little rich boy, whose idea of courage is to yell: "I feel good," as he unleashes an awesome fury which slaughters 100,000 innocents for no other reason than greed and vanity.

A dangerous chameleon, his charming exterior provides cover for a power-crazed clique of Doctor Strangeloves whose goal is to increase America's grip on the world's economies and natural resources.

And in foolishly backing him, Americans have given the go-ahead for more unilateral pre-emptive strikes, more world instability and most probably another 9/11.

Why else do you think bin Laden was so happy to scare them to the polls, then made no attempt to scupper the outcome?

There's only one headline in town today, folks: "It Was Osama Wot Won It."

And soon he'll expect pay-back. Well, he can't allow Bush to have his folks whoopin' and a-hollerin' without his own getting a share of the fun, can he?

Heck, guys, I hope you're feeling proud today"

The rest at:

[Link: www.mirror.co.uk...]

66 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:45:36am

#57 nikkisma17

It would be a shame if Ashcroft left. He's done a good job under enormous pressure.

I can't see anybody but Guiliani taking over.

67 Raj Against The Machine  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:48:02am

0 for 15? I'll send him an e-mail tonight and ask him who he likes on Sunday. Easy money!!

68 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:48:32am
I don't know for sure whether or not "Defense of Marriage" played a decisive role in Bush's victory. However I do know that the utterly inept manner in which the Gay Left presented Gay Marriage to the American people, gave the Religious Right a hot-button issue that it would not have had otherwise.

Opposition to gay marriage was universal. Oregon was considered the best hope for passing it, but it lost soundly there (57% - 43%). Oregon is hardly a bastion of social conservatism, so that meant that a lot of moderate Democrats voted against it.

69 Nancy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:48:48am

50 Frank IBC

I know for a fact it did not in Michigan. The numbers don't add up. I am sure that's what the spin is going to be --it was the Republicans fault --impossible.

Even if every Bush voter, voted for the Marriage Ban --it would NOT have passed.

YAHOO at 97% precincts in:5619 of 5806 precincts - 97 percent [Link: news.yahoo.com...]
x- John F. Kerry Dem 2,393,251 - 51 percent
George W. Bush (i) Rep 2,249,215 - 48 percent
Marriage proposal:
5596 of 5806 precincts - 96 percent --
x- Yes 2,604,221 - 59 percent
No 1,830,298 - 41 percent

70 glwing  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:49:20am

#41 Dirk Diggler

I just sense that the media is trying to smear all Republican votes as votes for the 'Christian Right'. Any feed back lizardoids?

Absolutely!

I was channel flipping yesterday during the speeches and Nancy Pelosi was on one channel after the President had spoken making snarky comments about "morals/values decided this election" with a real sneer on her face.

During the Reagan years, Christians were the evil boogey men of the US. Seems we are there again.

The Christian bashing has just begun.

71 nikkisma17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:51:29am

I agree Thom, but why Condi and Collin?

Let's face it W has the Dream Team in there now. I can't even imagine who'd do a better job than Condi, maybe Ambassador Kirkpatrick, who worked under Reagan, but she's in her twilight years now. Maybe we can get Tommy Franks in there for Collin?

I'm spinning and dizzy, to go from an all-nighter to finding out this? I just can't take it anymore, I think I'm crackin' up!

72 Havoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:51:40am

FrankIBC,

The kind of thing Soros does to cause currency price fluctuations, which he cashes in on. Some more recent episodes.

Financing Preuvian Riots - 6 dead

Fast money, What Soros did to the British in 1994


George Soros. Born Dzjegdzhe Shorash in Hungary, the money-manipulating billionaire is John Kerry's chief cheerleader.
Even worse, this evil bean counter, because of his millions, is being taken seriously.

Sufficient to say that his Open Society Foundation has enabled communists throughout Europe to remain in power and his funding of new totalitarian movements, using the cloak of a new democracy, has created anarchy.

Bing, Lewis and Soros are helping pay the musicians on the Kerry-Edwards bandwagon. Do Americans really want to dance to the tune they call?

Tell the RNC to connect the dots with George Soros

ASEAN currency attacks

And the manipulation of Bush & Kerry Trading Futures to affect the real stock market ahead of the election.

Probably not Soros directly, he was pretty busy, but it would be nice to track these down and follow the Money

73 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:51:53am
74 Mentat  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:52:07am

Hey Canadians! Did you see this? The perp's name -Reza Mohamad Shily, an Iranian name. The area where he was picked up has quite a large Jewish population.

[Link: www.thestar.com...]

Knives, crossbow, rifles seized in raid
Replica armaments, including rocket launcher, grabbed

28-year-old Toronto man faces weapons and drug charges


BETSY POWELL
CRIME REPORTER

A 28-year-old Toronto man faces weapons and drug charges after police seized prohibited knives, ammunition, marijuana and magic mushrooms while executing a search warrant in a bungalow on a quiet street in north Toronto.

The cache from the house at 426 Melrose Ave., between Avenue Rd. and Bathurst St. included 22 prohibited knives, a crossbow and 164 rounds of live ammunition for assault rifles.

The day following the Oct. 20 bungalow seizure, he also faced charges after York Regional police recovered two loaded military style assault rifles and a replica Colt assault rifle in a bag abandoned at a construction site at Leslie St. and Major Mackenzie Dr. in Richmond Hill.

Police also seized 46 realistic-looking replica assault rifles, handguns and a bazooka rocket launcher from the bungalow but have not yet laid any charges in connection with the replica weaponry. They also seized nine sets of body armour.

The accused is also charged with four counts of violating a court order prohibiting him from possessing firearms and ammunition. Further charges may be laid, police said.Detective Stacy Gallant of the Toronto police gun and gang task force told a news conference yesterday replica firearms are a danger not just to the public but also to the person carrying them, particularly if there is a confrontation with an armed criminal or police.

"If any police officer was faced with any one of these guns there should be no question in his mind what he should do at that point. You have to treat these as real firearms."

Reza Mohamad Shily faces 42 charges. He turned himself into police Monday and has been remanded in custody.

75 cathymv  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:52:09am

and in less than 24 hours after their devastating loss.. the democrats have now turned on each other and are in full cannabalism mode.... they are starting to eat their own.....

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

The day after getting their heads handed to them again in national elections, furious Democrats on Capitol Hill were pointing fingers at their own leaders and vowing war with Republicans.

Several top Democratic aides blamed House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California and national party Chairman Terry McAuliffe for failing to win back the White House or either chamber of Congress.


In the House, where Republicans improved their majority by two seats, a senior adviser to House Democrats - who described the caucus' mood as "suicidal" - criticized Pelosi for not taking a page from GOP ex-House Speaker Newt Gingrich's playbook and playing hardball this year.

"Nancy looks bad," said the adviser. "The only way to win this place is to burn it down."

Several of the Democratic sources said party boss McAuliffe should resign immediately, despite his plan to leave next year.

"McAuliffe is out - not a question," said one senior House aide.

Ketchup anyone?

see ya
cathy : )

76 rosh  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:52:09am
These changes have the potential to reduce the importance of Republican moderates, especially in the Senate, and embolden conservatives in the White House and elsewhere, these analysts said.


Rightward Shift May Squeeze Centrists
I consider myself a centrist and I will be sure to be outspoken about it in this term.

77 Luigi  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:52:50am

#70 glwing

I was channel flipping yesterday during the speeches and Nancy Pelosi was on one channel after the President had spoken making snarky comments about "morals/values decided this election" with a real sneer on her face.


I noted yesterday NPR was going on and on and on and on about "morals/values" deciding the election. That's liberal spin. It is code for saying Americans are rightwing gun-toting neanderthal nutjobs.

78 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:53:08am

Quite the economic terrorist, good thing he's on the other side. In fact, he really should consider taking a stab as Minister of Finance for the EU. He appears particularly well adapted to implementing their policies and goals, post haste.

The punk needs to be hauled-out behind woodshed for a good paddling.

79 legalbgl  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:54:16am

Likewise MoveOn.Org sponsored 22 canidates and only 5 won.

80 Thom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:54:17am

#71 nikkisma17

Condi, I don't know. 4 years is a long time to hold these jobs, maybe fatigue - and the prospect of a sweet professorship somewhere.

Powell is welcome to leave immediately if not sooner.

81 Frank IBC  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:54:27am

I'm usually don't get too worked up about achievements such as "First member of Group X to .."...

But I see that Bobby Jindal has won the election in Louisiana's Congressional 1st District, becoming the first Indian-American in Congress.

(Folks may remember him from last year - he ran unsuccessfully for Governor of Louisiana.)

82 Smit  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:55:23am

Post-Election Comment from George Soros

#58 Norwegian Kaffir - That article you linked to about Bin Laden & his war of attrition against the US is unsettling.

83 KWH  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:55:49am
Kerry too was the devout Christian candidate whose religion would guide his decisions.

Only, I might point out, when he thought he'd gain a few points by being one.

84 Hankmeister  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:56:00am

So typical of these nattering left-wing nabobs who think more highly of themselves than they should. They always paint themselves as being mainstream until the electorate kicks them in the head. Does anyone else get the impression he would be happier under the old Soviet regime?

Well you gotta give Zuniga his due, at least the man is consistent!

85 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:56:33am

OT:
Lifted from PowerlineBlog: re: his experience at NBC studios in NY.

(As far as I can tell, NBC works from a culture of fear
and are not ideologically inclusive, supportive, and/or tolerant.)

Not "enemy," exactly. The people at NBC couldn't have been nicer. But I certainly spent the day yesterday in "opponents' territory." Here is an anecdote that illustrates what I mean.
Early in the day, a very young woman who was working as an assistant producer leaned over to me and whispered, "Are you the conservative?" I said Yes. "Don't tell anyone," she whispered, "but I'm on your side." I asked whether it is tough to be a conservative at NBC. She said that she tries not to talk about it, but every once in a while a co-worker gets wind of the fact that she is a Republican. The universal response, she said, was "You should be working at Fox."
Which tends to confirm what you always thought about the networks. If you're a Republican, the only home for you is at Fox. Here at ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN? It's Democrats Only.

At NBC - democrats only.

86 Drudoggy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:56:45am

What a huge waste of money!

87 gymnast  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:57:56am

Repubiclicans are stupid religious believers because Democrats didn't win? That is the way a snotnosed shitbird thinks. The National Education Association will probably have a study unit out for the kids in about a week to replace the one they had planned to use on "President John Kerry, Patriot, War Hero, Democrat Visionary".

88 nickpicker  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:58:09am

Here's a good line for referring to Al Jazeera: "prime station for political porn flicks." (courtesy of a MEMRI translation)

89 rosh  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:58:14am

#16 johnCV


The Left is calling for the President, now that he has won by a significant margin, to surrender on the core issues he believes in, has run on, and has won on.


I noticed that too.


I believe that each group comprises larger segments of the population than those narrow definitions, but no matter.


I'd like to hear more about this.

90 dustyroadguy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:00:21am

These folks didn't just get beat they were humiliated....

most lost by more than 10 %.....

91 sharona  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:00:51am

OT, but worth a gander:

WSJ Online has a great column by Peggy Noonan op-ed regarding the election and what we can "savor" from this victory, as well as a shout out to the pajamahadin ...

So Much to Savor

"Who was the biggest loser of the 2004 election? It is easy to say Mr. Kerry: he was a poor candidate with a poor campaign. But I do think the biggest loser was the mainstream media, the famous MSM, the initials that became popular in this election cycle. Every time the big networks and big broadsheet national newspapers tried to pull off a bit of pro-liberal mischief--CBS and the fabricated Bush National Guard documents, the New York Times and bombgate, CBS's "60 Minutes" attempting to coordinate the breaking of bombgate on the Sunday before the election--the yeomen of the blogosphere and AM radio and the Internet took them down. It was to me a great historical development in the history of politics in America. It was Agincourt. It was the yeomen of King Harry taking down the French aristocracy with new technology and rough guts. God bless the pajama-clad yeomen of America. Some day, when America is hit again, and lines go down, and media are hard to get, these bloggers and site runners and independent Internetters of all sorts will find a way to file, and get their word out, and it will be part of the saving of our country."

Dang, Charles! Try not to let you head swell up to much on that compliment from the lovely Ms. Noonan, lol!

92 Ranten.N.Raven  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:01:38am

Heh.

Even better: I heard a report on the radio that said every single candidate the Bill Clinton got out of his sick-bed and campaigned for also lost. What great news!

93 W-lover  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:03:38am

#24 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

"His continuing bad judgment and thorough incompetence is nothing to celebrate"

I would go to Hanitty.com, copy the county by county election map and ask him geography questions like "what part of rural Minnesota, Iowa, Wyoming, Idaho, rural Washington State, rural Calfornia is part of the South and Texas?" Also ask for specific examples of incompetence, and throw in a line about women's rights worldwide has risen thanks to W.

About the Kos Kandidates, all I can say is BWAAHAAHAA!

94 nikkisma17  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:05:35am

#80 Thom

I need to correct myself, maybe we need someone to replace Powell that hasn't served in the military. The experience is nice but we need someone that supports the positions of the CinC. I do like Powell, but we need someone that will be a little tougher on the UN.

95 Frank IBC  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:07:17am

I don't want to distract from the seriousness of the arrest in Toronto, nor do I wish to question the guilt of the person arrested, but...

A 28-year-old Toronto man faces weapons and drug charges after police seized prohibited knives, ammunition, marijuana and magic mushrooms while executing a search warrant in a bungalow on a quiet street in north Toronto.

Er, was this the way it was worded in the original news report? If so, that's pathetic.

22 prohibited knives, a crossbow

Are crossbows illegal in Canada?

And what kind of knives, other than switchblades and stilettos, are illegal?

and 164 rounds of live ammunition for assault rifles.

Um, what other kind of ammunition is there these days, than "live ammunition"? To my knowledge, Minie balls and leather bags for holding gunpowder are no longer available.

And how do they know that it was "for assault rifles" - was it actually in a magazine or a belt?

Same mentality that can't just say "pistol", it has to say "semi-automatic handgun". G-d, I hate the media.

96 Laurence Simon  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:09:57am

Can we get Kos to raise money for Arafat's medical care?

97 Iron Fist  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:10:01am

#16 johnCV,

Too late for an apology. We won, they lost, and they have to live with the consequences.

Think Justice Miguel Estrada.

And Chief Justice Charles Pickering.

That'll do for starters :-)

98 glwing  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:12:15am

#77 Luigi


It is code for saying Americans are rightwing gun-toting neanderthal nutjobs.


No, it is code for saying Republicans are rightwing, gun-toting, Neanderthal, Christian fundamentalist.

-------------------------------------------------- --------
The Dems want Ashcroft's head so already news story he is leaving. The far right like him so the Dems want to see him out to outrage any far right voters from this last election. If he leaves by choice, still the story will read Bush pushed him out.

-------------------------------------------------- ---------
#76 rosh

Tuesday's Republican sweep of the South will reshape the next Senate, replacing moderate Democrats sometimes willing to cross party lines with ardent GOP conservatives who will press their leaders for a more right-leaning agenda, according to analysts.

Code translated: Those crazy far right, Christian fundamentalist are going to set all the rules.

99 Almostout  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:13:54am

johnCV,

"sorry, perhaps a bit long winded" Not at all. It was perfect!

100 Model4  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:16:42am

#83 KWH:

Only, I might point out, when he thought he'd gain a few points by being one.

Oh, for sure. But note how the media utterly failed to explore how Kerry was trying to have it both ways on the religious issue: Attacking and belittling believers on one hand, and trying to be Mr. super-Christian on the other lecturing his opponent with Bible in hand at the pulpit. They knew he was being hypocritical, dishonest and pandering, but refused to give up supporting him.

Heard a post-election round table talking about the gay marriage issue working for Bush. One of the pundits chimed in and said "But Kerry was against gay marriage too." At that point everyone else on the panel said "Yeah, that was his story, but no one believed that!" Which was pretty sad/funny, since none of them to my knowledge had said this ever before the polls had opened.

Interesting too in that this story is always presented as "Those horrible Christians conspired to keep Kerry from his birthright," not "Why is the Democratic party so ignorant as to consistently lose the Christian vote, despite its enormous impact on our politics?"

101 Geepers  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:19:24am

Hey gymnast. I see your man Al is getting the props he deserves:

Pace says his dream job is male modeling, and he affectionately says of Sharpton: "That dude is crazy as hell. He's off the hook."

Al Sharpton Rescues Workers From Lousy Jobs

How come you didn't tell us Al had a back up plan TV deal if Kerry lost?

102 newscaper  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:23:17am

FWIW, am I the only one annoyed by the assignment of colors in this red state-blue state business?

You know damned well when the TV boys settled on using red and blue (from the flag, I guess) they made a conscious decision to NOT make the Dem dominated states Red for fear (correctly and fittingly!) of associatiing them with Communists.

Not to mention the aggravation that, in our soldier's wargames, Blue on the maps is the good guys.

103 Renna  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:23:38am
No, it is code for saying Republicans are rightwing, gun-toting, Neanderthal, Christian fundamentalist.

Hey, I'm no neanderthal! ;-)

104 Thor  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:25:00am

Don't be too hard on Kos.

He actually is doing the country and the Republican party a favor with his funding raising and stumping for Democrat candidates.

Just remember, when Kos is involved with your campaign, you are assured to lose.

Keep up the good word Kos!

Maybe Kos is secretly Karl Rove?

105 KWH  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:25:26am

Model4 ,
It's safe to say: Americans won the day kerry/edwards lost. We dodged "live ammo" that day from kerrys "semi-automatic lips", we now have hope for a better America.

106 jhow66  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:27:05am

I believe the biggest message from 59,000,000 + people was UNFIT TO COMMAND

107 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:29:07am

#94 nikkisma17

How about vdh for Sec of State?

108 glwing  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:35:51am
Interesting too in that this story is always presented as "Those horrible Christians conspired to keep Kerry from his birthright," not "Why is the Democratic party so ignorant as to consistently lose the Christian vote, despite its enormous impact on our politics?"


Y'all see what they are doing. Trying to frighten the left and any moderate Republicans AND saying it not possible that any American voted for Bush based on the WoT OR because they saw him as a real person against a fake Kerry OR because them judged him to be a good president OR because they knew they could trust he meant what he said. NO! They voted for him because of gay marriage (news flash-my LLL neighbor voted against gay marriage and for Kerry) and because they are all ignorant, Bible toting religious nuts.

Just now on the news, the President is having a news conference. Question about Americans that are not religious or believe as he does, should they be frightened? (paraphrased but not far off)
Sheesh!

109 Laurence Simon  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:50:21am

About the medical care thing...

Never mind.

110 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:52:03am

15 out of 15? Gotta give the Kos-sacks credit for consistency, at least.

111 killbuckner  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:52:49am

So if Kos is smart does that mean in 2006 he backs a bunch of republican candidates?

112 Cobra  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:53:39am

OT
Just heard at Bush press conf.
Arafart has passed on.....awwwww.

/

113 Ral  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:57:12am

Here's hoping the people who gave the money want it back.

114 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:06:59am
115 joeeveryday  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:07:34am

All the losses in the senate and house reveal just how lopsided this election was.

We had a strong contingent of anti-bush voters who thought Gore should have been President all along. We were never going to win them. Bush still won a good majority.

More revealing is the loss in Congress as it shows how the Democratic message is simply lost. America isn't buying what the Democrats are selling, regardless the dislike of Bush or the war or whatever. If the Democrats don't get their house in order, they will soon be a 3rd party.

116 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:10:15am
117 SlimyBill  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:12:20am

Sun Tzu: "Hold out baits to entice your enemy, then crush him."

118 johnCV  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:16:47am

97 Iron Fist

Too late for an apology. We won, they lost, and they have to live with the consequences.

Pretty much as I see it as well.

I have no problem looking for common ground with the Left - as long as we do not sacrifice our principles to do it. This is the point of elections, each side chooses a platform and the voters decide who gets to call the shots. The Dems simply can not come to grips with the fact that thier positions were rejected. They were given and airing and found unsatisfactory to the majority of Americans. If they persist in the notion that they did not win because somehow, the naked, mouthbreathing, redneck Republicans were mislead by the Chimp-In-Chief, they are doomed forever to the widerness. The left has devolved into the same positions as the european elite. All theory and no game.

A man with a theory is always at the mercy of a man with experience and common sense. Americans (at least so far) understand this distinction, and have again put thier trust in a guy they trust to make decisions based on common sense.

119 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:19:48am
120 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:21:55am
121 voletti  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:22:38am

#34 Eric castillo:

*LOL* That was an amazing analysis. How the obvious escapes me sometimes.....

122 Art Hippler  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:22:56am

#16
Your comments are well chosen. I have been following DU and Kos also and I am struck bywhat is not an incidental fact. They seem unable to grasp that the early exit polls were wrong simply because the sampling was in error. They seem under the impression that the exit polls were somehow done untouched by human hands and that then, if they differ from the final tally, there must be some nefarious scheme underway.

It makes it difficult to try to talk to them about other things. There's some lack of understanding of just how basic things work by those people. They are nonetheless certain they are "scientific" and that those of us who do not accept the odd superstition that the universe "just happened" are somehow thereby backward.

Still, they are our brothers and we must try to talk to them.

123 voletti  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:26:31am

Arafart in coma,
kerry lost, Dashcle dumped, GOP Senate and house majorities enhanced, a real chance of a supreme court appointment or 2 happening in the next 4 yrs, no reelction worries to temper and nuance the march into falluja.....whoa!!!!

How much good news can a guy take in a day?

124 Crimsonfisted  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:32:51am

#21 mas scientist

ALREADY heard that from Janene Garofolo on Air America last night 11/3. un-friggin'-believable

125 Slim  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:42:49am

Bush said in his press conference that "he's earned capital in this election and now he plans to spend it." Them there's fighting words.

Damn that must strike fear and loathing into the LLL. And they were hoping he'd want to kiss and make up.

126 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:43:04am
127 kryo  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:47:47am

A bit of OT but still about the idiots over at dkos:

Koslings cower before baseless draft scares

Scare source for those unwilling to give kos traffic

Apparently the idiots at dkos can't fathom that SS registration (for those eligible) is required to receive federal student aid, and has been for a long time. No, it just has to be an evil plot to find student's talents so they can be drafted into apporpriate military positions!

128 jjmckay1216  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:51:02am

I saw a map of the US with each county colored for whom they voted for. California, for example, had 2 tiny blue swatches (LA & SF maybe?) and the rest was solid R E D!!!!

Those on the left (I was listening to Air America this morning) said that it was time for Bush to move from his extremist views and try to conform to the rest of the country's views.

My jaw dropped. If the Democrats were to take a step back and take a HARD look at themselves, as well as the very map I looked at this morning, they would NEVER make a stupid statement like that.

Why do Conservatives have to be the ones to move our views? After looking at how many counties the Republicans won in this GREAT Country of ours, how do we convince the Democrats that their thinking is not mainstream?

Rambling thoughts from a Disc Jockey who rambles ALOT

JJ

129 Axiom  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:51:38am

Thank you Kos and P Diddy for getting out the youth vote.

Too bad you got them out to the movie theatres and record stores and not the polls.

130 Athos  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:53:36am

#126 Rayra

Time to celebrate, eh!

You got it. I'm already tired of the claims from the LLL that the onus is on the President to move his positions to theirs in the name of national unity. The President, and his views, WON the election.

To me, it's the progressives that have to accept that their agenda isn't wanted by the majority of Americans, and that THEY need to move to the right in the name of national unity. If they don't, then any disunity is entirely on their shoulders.

BTW - I don't expect them to move - except to whinge about moving to Canada, Ireland, France, etc. Ultimately, they won't change. That is the definition of arrogance.

That is why they will continue to be nothing more than an excessively vocal fringe group of moonbats.

131 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:55:58am
132 Beagle  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:56:59am

#127 kryo

The military opposes any draft for some very good reasons. They want willing and capable recruits. The history of draftees is mixed. But the all-volunteer military has trememdous success in creating soldiers willing to fight. What person would want to draw a Kossack in their foxhole? That's a rhetorical question. Cowards afraid of their own shadows are not military material.

133 Slim  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 7:58:28am

#128 jjmckay

I saw that same map this morning. It's quite striking just how isolated the LLL is geographically. They don't occupy a handful of states; they occupy a handful of counties....just a few crowded little enclaves from which they feel entitled to tell the remainder of us how to live.

It's stunning that they even feeling self-important enough to pay any attention to themselves.

And if you compare that county-by-county map in 2000 and 2004, it's apparent that they've become considerably more sequestered in just the past four years.

134 traveler  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:02:19am

#129 Axiom

re: P. Diddy's "get out the vote" --
Did you see Drudge's headline yesterday regarding the weak youth turnout? It read: "Vote or Die or Whatever"

135 traveler  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:04:56am

#8 Tman

Next thing you know there will be news that we confirmed Osama's DNA on a cave stain in Tora Bora....

Let's keep dreaming! Let's see........Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, Bruce Springsteen, Dixie Twits, et.al. call a news conference and say "We were wrong -- and let's all stand behind our duly elected President and reunite this divided America we love so well....."

Ok, maybe I went too far on that one.....

136 MyDogHasFleas  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:09:55am

#24 "response to a liberal friend" ???

The thing about this is, it's not about having a rational, fact-based discussion. He's used to refuting rational argument.

What's needed here is what the Buddhists call "pointing out".

This guy needs an "aha" moment where he realizes that he's the one who's intolerant, arrogant, and elitist, by assuming that someone whose values system is faith-based is somehow automatically inferior in ability and leadership. His mind is closed to the idea that an individual who is not like him can, in fact, succeed -- and that voters who, in his closed mind, are "stupid", can in fact do the right thing.

I don't have any magic-bullet words to help you with. The Buddhists don't do it with words, anyway. Enlightment is not usually verbal, but visceral.

Maybe something like:

"Friend, I have a small request. Allow yourself to imagine, for a moment, that maybe this leader is actually successful and good, and maybe the collective wisdom of the people is not wrong, and maybe you just possibly don't know everything. Stay in that moment for a while and see how it feels. Then, get back to me and we'll talk."

137 Sergio  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:14:01am

mottos and headlines:

"The Daily Kos Community: Losers Supporting Losers"

"Zuniga: Secret Rove Operative?"

"CBS News to hire Zuniga to replace Rather on 60 Minutes."

138 Globular Cluster  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:20:37am

Kos has now become the Kiss of Death for Democratic candidates, following in the footsteps of Al Gore and his retinue.

139 madawaskan  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:24:40am

#41 I agree with you,what is up with this analysis? Moral values could be translated as you don't stab the troops in the back. The military now know what it is like to be a minority that the DEMS supposedly care about. The rise in support among minorites could be due to loyalty to their own family in the forces. Why wouldn't Republicans who have a marked increase in distrust or the media(Gallup) reject the exit pollers as an extention of the media? As for polling minorities cripes I wouldn't dare say I was for BUSH in my neighborhood-I'd get SHOT by my MOTHER. Tyranny of the left...

140 Quilly Mammoth  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:25:38am

Proving that Kos is a freaking Moron.

He said about Brad Carson:
"Brad Carson is a once-in-a-generation phenomenon -- a Democrat with an actual chance to win a Senate seat in Oklahoma. He is currently ahead in the polls, but it's a narrow lead in a state that will hand Bush a 30-point victory. The road to a Senate majority runs through Oklahoma."

Brad Carson never had a chance against Dr. Tom Coburn. Carson ran a campaign that was so dirty that even the liberal media was commenting on it.

141 efuseakay  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:34:31am
142 OldSwede  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:41:11am
Bush voters say they support him for 'moral values.' Good. I say we help them in their fight to make the USA a more moral nation. Know a Bush voter who's having an affair? Drop an anonymous note to his or her spouse. Know a Bush voter who cheats on his taxes? Make an anonymous call to the IRS. Does your Bush-supporting boss cut a few corners on worker safety, accounting, etc.? Let the relevant authorities know. Bush voters say they want to improve our collective morality? Let's get started!

I saw this post at Kos earlier today. It was so, um, unusual that I actually copied it. Do I need to explain why?

143 Athos  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:47:18am

#138 Globular Cluster

Kos has now become the Kiss of Death for Democratic candidates, following in the footsteps of Al Gore and his retinue.

Excellent point.

Reading Kos is like watching a bloated, irrelevant Gore screaming and foaming at the mouth.

144 darrellbear  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:50:09am

"The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars but in our selves"... maybe one day the lefties will figure it out.

145 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:53:59am

Krazy Kos has the Midas touch.

For Republicans!

146 Athos  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:57:41am

In response to Michael Moore bringing down his site and replacing it a photo mosaic of President Bush made from the pictures of soldiers who died in Iraq - Blogsolution has this - A mosaic of MM made from photos of meat products, dead terrorists, and failed Democratic Presidential candidates.

147 HUSKER  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 8:57:54am

I find it funny that these cock-suckers quote the exit polls to show who voted for Bush and why, when it's obvious that the exit polls were wrong! Stop living by these polls you ass-wipes! They are trying to assume that, that's the only reason people voted for Bush. It couldn't be that YOU HAD THE WRONG CANDIDATE! You dumbshits! Democrats had to have voted for Bush also. Here's a poll for you: 99/100 find liberal dildos irrelevant.

148 Quilly Mammoth  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:03:19am

OT:
Canadian MP shoot's mouth off again:

MP Parrish confirms she is a rabid American hater here.

"OTTAWA -- The re-election of a war-mongering president shows Americans are "out of step" with the rest of the world, says a Liberal MP infamous for her blistering attacks on George W. Bush. "

What's more interesting the number of readers who blast her!

QM

149 soccer4ever  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:12:40am

Anyone have the TOTAL $$ spent - including Kerry, Dean, DNC, Soros, etc.

150 offdafront  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:22:43am

This was over at the Kook Blog KOS

This story is amazing!!!

Amazing in the fact that the author was able to gather so much info from a
short conversation, with such detail, righ tdown to the "yeap." And not only
did the author gather all this info, but he/she remembered it too! And was
able to transcribe it in such lenght for all to read!

Its almost as if....it was a work of fiction?

Hmmmmm.....

============================


I work at a domestic violence shelter in a rural conservative district in Mich. that is has had its economy gutted by NAFTA and where Christianity dominates the culture.
Yesterday while reflecting about 4 more years of Bush I was talking with a woman staying in the shelter. I will give her a fake name, lets call her Laura B. Laura is 28, pregnant, (never considered an abortion). She finished highschool and did a year of college before dropping out to have a couple of kids with her military husband. Living in Virginia on base with her autocratic mate (he doesn't allow the boys 3 and 4 to say "yeap" they have to answer "yes sir") drove her crazy and she was hospitalized for suicidal thoughts. Military dude divorced her and has custody.

She came home to Mom in Mich and ended up at our shelter to try and sort out her life. (Mom has no money either and her own problems.) We, like all secular agencies, have seen a steady erosion of funds.

Laura B. has found a job working in the kitchen at a local faith based Christian College. She makes $6/hour. She drives a dying Ford Escort wagon pays $2.15/gallon for gas. Her latest crisis is her insurance expired on Oct. 9 (her ex-partner cancelled policy). She needs to come up with $211 to get insurance for one month or face a $1,000 fine if she gets caught driving with no insurance. We have some public transportation, Dial-a Ride, minibus runs between 7 am and 6 p.m., M-F $1.50 one-way. She has to be at work at 6am.

She has been walking to work lately but it is about 2 miles she is 5 months pregnant, it is dark at 5 am, and winter is coming. Solution? Go begging at the churches who seem to have money for these things. They will give her the money if she attends bible school. So last night she was at bible school until 9 p.m.

She has never attended our domestic violence support groups as she is too tired at night and goes to bed early but the bible study was not optional.

She was excited about "God's message" when she came back.

This week she moves into low income subsidized housing. Her newest crisis is she has found out when the college is closed for the Christmas holiday (one month) she has no employment. She is hoping to find temporary employment as a seasonal retail worker if the Christmas sales are brisk to tide her over. She doesn't know what she will do when the baby is born, hopes she can work up till the last week (she is on her feet all day with this job). She will be eligible for subsidized daycare.

She voted for Bush because of his "family values."

151 our gal sal  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:25:15am

# 16 John

No, not too long-winded! Very cogent. Thank you.

#131 Rayra

Thanks for the map link, I've been wanting to see one. TX is interesting: we all knew Austin, the liberal moonbat capital of Tx, would be blue.
The blue counties along the border do not surprise either - lots of people scared of losing their benefits or of La Migra, easy minority prey for the Dems.

I don't know what was up with Port Arthur, etc. in Jefferson Co.

152 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:29:47am

#128 - because the Left is always trying to shift the goalposts. They lost, but they want to get their agenda passed, so they blather on about how the GOP and Bush doesn't have a mandate. Mandates are founded on obtaining a majority (Check), picking up seats in Congress (Check), increasing number of state governorships (Check), and picking up a majority popular election vote (Check). Bush has the quadrifecta.

If the DNC wants to play, they have to concede on their issues, not the other way around. Because you know that the DNC would never acceed to any GOP demands had the DNC won.

153 Glen Wishard  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:32:26am

Give him credit for pumping a lot of limousine liberal money into the private sector.

154 alegrias  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:33:33am

Peggy Noonan mentions Charles/pajamahideen in today's Wall Street Jouranl opinionjournal...

155 mrsoc  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:34:35am

As a gift to me from the Gods can we please get someone to slap Nancy Pelosi until she cries?
The woman is a wart.

156 Athos  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:43:15am

#154 alegrias

I like the term she uses - "pajama-clad yeoman".....as opposed to the pajamahadeen.

157 Ratbert  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:52:19am
And every single one of those candidates lost.


Knock, knock

Who's there?

Lou

Lou who?

Loser

158 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:57:22am

More idiocy and hypocrisy from

[Link: www.leanleft.com...]

Furthermore, we have to stop being afraid of being mean. This is not a knife fight and we should stop acting like it is. When they tell a lie, call them on it in plain terms. Don't say "mislead" when you mean "lie".

As though the LLL have not been calling Bush a liar 24/7 the last 2 years. What is this guy smoking?

159 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:58:26am

#24 - response to a liberal friend

PP, I don't know who had the last word in before the election or good of a "friend" the San Fran guy is, but it seems to me that a friend wouldn't gloat over another friend. So if I were you, a proper response would be an apology for gloating. Contrast that with one of the NRO guys whose lefty "friend" send a "congradulatory" email stating "let fascism reign". Let's be bigger than the moonbats.

160 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:58:27am
161 madawaskan  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:59:05am

#150 Offdafront-

Help me here,isn't there a HUGE hole in this story? Military do not have insurance policies per say-so what the heck did he CANCEL? Also it would be pretty hard for an active duty military father who goes TDY constantly to get awarded sole custody.

162 zelda  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:03:35am

#83 KHW
You're right. Can guarantee when ever he said he was a 'Catholic' --"non-cafeteria" Catholics were angered---- and personally, embarrassed me..

163 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:19:49am

One issue that concerns me, Kerry beat Bush among 18-29 voters, 54-45.

164 Bostonian  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:20:57am

#41

I just sense that the media is trying to smear all Republican votes as votes for the 'Christian Right'. Any feed back lizardoids?

Well, first, careful how you say that. I'm sure the Christian Right would not consider this "smearing."

But second, yes, I think the press & the hard left are trying frame Bush's victory as some sort of win by religious forces. (And a lack of proper education on the Right Way to Think.)

And this is pissing me off. GWB has said that faith is important to him, and he's obviously trying to act in accordance with his faith, but I have NEVER felt like he was pushing anything on me, and I'm an atheist, fer heavensake.

I voted for Bush because it was about time someone kicked some dictator ass. More please!

165 Bostonian  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:28:54am

#108, I've already heard people telling me what a terrible mistake I've made, throwing in my lot with those evil Republicans. All manner of very bad things will now happen.

Quite apart from what this says about their ideas of human nature, this shows a complete lack of faith in the US Constitution. Pfuoi.

166 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:31:13am
167 dixie normous  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 10:39:02am

Arlen Specter cannot be judiciary committee chair.

If you agree—if you agree that good men and women cannot be kept off the Supreme Court because they are against abortion (disqualifying, for starters, any faithful Catholic, many evangelicals, Muslims, automatically…)—call and e-mail Bill Frist (and your Republican senators, if applicable) today. I’m pretty certain an overwhelming outcry from conservatives in the next few days is the only way Arlen Specter can be kept from becoming a huge obstacle.

So get to work. Frist’s number is 202-224-3344.

168 andrew2  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 11:14:06am

What a glorious day! A

President Bush Relected
Arafish Croaking
Daschle Dumped
KOS with eggg on face

I'm suffering from gloating gluttony!!!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaahahahahahahahah ahahahaha

169 jjmckay1216  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 12:09:34pm

AIR AMERICA

Wanting to get an idea about how the left was feeling after Bush "Stole The Election....AGAIN!" Those words were enough to wake me up. Al Franken was interviewing another leftist, and Franken's question amazed me.

i>"Conservatives believe every lie that Bush says. It's like sheep. Every lie, distortion, half truth, they believe with all their heart. All we can show them is statistics and even then they will distort them to make any point they are trying to articulate"

Amazing!

170 HUSKER  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 12:59:06pm

I'm not quite sure I can follow the liberal's stance:


They want us to quit meddling in the world, i.e. Afghanistan and Iraq, but leave our medical advances and billions of dollars in the world. . .and . . . start concentrating on issues and problems here, but coddle and appease and cite foreign opinions abroad when the majority of people here don't agree with them.

171 HUSKER  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 1:02:07pm

Hey liberals, which is it?

There or here?

There=our money, our medicine, AND our troops to protect us against terrorists that want to kill us.

Here=you lost the election, stop quoting Europe's opinion of us.

You can't have it both ways. Remember your candidate tried that, and he got outtied!

172 Nate  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 2:32:39pm

Well, it's clear to me now that some of the Michael Moore democrats are sitting back and reasonably assessing their position in the scheme of national politics.

You can see what I mean here.

173 LesLein  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 2:48:58pm

The outcome would have been no different if Soros and Kos had given the money to ... me.

174 Sgt Fluffy  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 5:00:50pm

Still not as funny as Daschle being gone, but what the heck did he expect a landslide? Next time he might as well support Cobra Commander.

175 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 6:35:21pm

IIRC, one of those candidates loudly praised his own courage for advertising with Kos, after his "Screw 'em" comment.

176 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Thu, Nov 4, 2004 9:49:21pm

41 Dirk Diggler

I'm thinking something similar


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