Too bad that didn't happen in France.

RIDICULOUS!

Thou Shalt Not Be An Idiot

Can someone with more "nuance" than me tell me how it is "racist and offensive" to recognize the simple truth that "thou shalt not kill" is the correct way to live ones' life?

/just a simple guy

Who are we to judge? Jihad as part of their culture. All cultures are equal.

/LLL

Again, this is why the RoP is the fastest-growing religion in Europe, and in prison.

My head hurts...

The deranged redefinitions are bordering on insane!

That's funny, I used to see the same thing posted on a billboard in New Orleans...

Time to break out the prayer rugs in Holland. The Dutch have surrendered.

why i'm not surprised, by this behavior.

omg, they have the shortest memory span ive ever seen.

insanity

Now, if the mural had stated:

"Thou shalt kill the infidel"

- there would have been no outrage whatsoever. Any takers on that wager? Didn't think so.

I don't see the problem. It's in the Old Testament, and moslems accpet the Old Testament. You know, People of the Book and all that ..... ?

Well, it offends the people whose religion says "Slaughter the Infidel (and just anyone whose face you don't like)".

Stupid hash smoking mayonaise eaters

In a backhanded way, both Euroweenies and Muslims admit that "Thou SHALT kill" is a fundamental tenet of Islam. Actually, the Muslims have never made a secret of it.

Tolerating Intolerance is NOT tolerant

Not learning from your lessons brings you back to square one

Sad, very sad

Learn then you can live

Thom,
Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think Islam accepts the old testament per se, but rather their version of things as they appear in the Koran.

Of course its racist to insinuate to [bigoted word]s that their set of values are really fucked up. Killing for allah is holy, how dare anyone disagree with that.

Thou shalt not kill. period (war excluded) This comes from the ten commandments NOT/NOT the ten suggestions. selah

Why I always say about other places, including my birthplace................I love America, everywhere else is a nice place to visit............
But REAL Freedom reigns in THIS country above all others.

So we're young less than 300 years, big deal...........but we had the advantage of looking at everyone else's mistakes, correct and improve them albeit adjusted for our tastes........
and the world is jealous; insulated in their ancient and inefficient ways, with very little change over time.

I love this place.

*+*

What the fuck? How is that racism?

John Schneider (#3),

Can someone with more "nuance" than me tell me how it is "racist and offensive" to recognize the simple truth that "thou shalt not kill" is the correct way to live ones' life?

Well, it contravenes a fundamental principal of islam which is the duty to kill infidels.

And we need more evidence proving the RoP is nothing more than a death cult because?

BTW
The commandment is "lo tirzach"
which means "Thou shalt not murder"
not "Thou shalt not kill"

Well, heck, if they truly want to take off the gloves....

This is the real divide between America and Europe right now.

Americans, by and large, believe in moral absolutes - if an Islamic fundamentalist chops off another completely innocent man's head and shouts Allua Akbar continuously, we say that man is committing an evil act, no shades of grey about it.

Europeans, on the other hand, are moral relativists. You can never judge anyone's actions, culture, or values (unless of course it's KKKapitalism or globalization, which are both clearly evil). This post pretty much shows the deep divide between the two sides of the Atlantic.

And I'm afraid it is only going to widen. We really have nothing in common anymore.

All I can say is, thank you Lord Jesus Christ for.....fixing the election (according to the LLL).....of the only man left on the face of this earth willing to protect us all from this.

And all you LLL's out there....Islam is coming to get you to chop your head off. All you have to do is let them come. Adn you are letting them, no, ENCOURAGING them.

Do you think they're going to ask if you'd like your head chopped off right beside a gay rights activist or a volvo driving social activist professor?

only from the mouths of a muslim can "thou shalt not kill" be offensive

#20 hornet:
Just for the record, the Hebrew (in which it was originally written) is Lo Tirtzakh, which means "Do not murder" (not "Do not kill).

And the Hebrew for the Decalogue is Aseret ha-Dibrot, which means "The Ten Utterances" or "The Ten Statements." (You've noted, I'm sure, that the first one isn't actually a commandment to do or refrain from doing something.)

If you continue to tolerate the intolerance of islamists you will not be safer

the only way to peace is to fight for it and not give in to murderers

Safety and Freedom takes hard work and sacrifice that you msut be willing to fight for

Peace is what is at the end at a hard-fought victory against those who don't beleive in living peacefully

Each and everyone of us can do soemthing to help and fight for the cause of true peace by standing up against Islamists in our own way

The sad part of this story is the "local authorities" complied iwth the request thus giving it validity i.e not fighting intoelrance and murder - sad and apthetic as well as exemplary of the problem there and why what happened was allowed to happen

this is a prime example of what is wrong

appeasing evil will not spare your life

Learn this well - FIGHT TERRORISM

(insert gasp)

yawn.........

Cheesy, atavistic attempt at collectivist idea control. Surprising in its appearance in old Europe, where it should have been thoroughly discredited after 100 years and 100 million dead by the collectivist hand.

My bible says, "Thou shalt not murder." Big difference and alot more latitude.

It's not insanity, it's demonic (satan inspired/evil).

#25 amir:

:-)

I take waaaay too long formatting stuff, obviously, LOL. (Yay gotta be fast around these parts.)

UN-Fucking-Believable

Amir

That's correct. The word means "Killing in hatered".

#20 hornet 11/5/2004 08:41AM PST
Thou shalt not kill. period (war excluded) This comes from the ten commandments NOT/NOT the ten suggestions. selah

Technically, this is one of the biggest mis-translations in all history, because in Hebrew, it is "Thou shalt not murder. Which is different that "kill".

Maybe it's a nuance. Tricky definitions can be complicated things, you understand...

Some camels need stealin, and some people just need killin'.

Glad we have a cowboy in the House...
hmmmm, how about this for a new reality show,

Walker, Texas Ranger

Just more LLLPCBS.

RoP my @$$ !!!

#30 cba

You're making an excellent point there.

...the head of a nearby mosque ...

Was it attached to the mosque's body?

Actually there's another big divide too.

Americans by and large believe freedom is worth fighting for and defending. We recognize that sometimes it needs to be fought for, as in with guns and bullets.

Europeans no longer believe this. They believe everything can be talked out and debated, even to the last second when their fellow countryman's head has been cut off. No act, no matter how despicable, seems to change their way of thinking. After all, a terrorist act in Spain only got the appeasement Socialist party of Spain elected. In America, George Bush won by nearly 4 million votes.

What the tiny minds of these murdering scum fail to grasp is that the more they jump up and down, seethe and whine about their stoneage religion being 'outed' via writing and movies they are drawing more attention to themselves.

I saw this disturbing yet very useful video posted on another blog yesterday.

I'm pleased to see people are realizing the value of providing witness through video on the web.

Continue to document dhimmi actions and provide links. With any luck, enough video footage can be compiled to use as educational footage that unveils/defines/explains the ramifications of dhimmitude.

The Dutch are soooooooooo screwed.

#4
we are to judge what is evil by what the Word says is evil. There is nothing in this that is equal or fair and when you try to make it equal or fair you are being unequal or unfair to someone else. This equality and fair stuff only works in a vacuum. Only in the Kingdom is there fairness or equality.

And I suppose this quote = "peace and tolerance"

"The Koran places heavy emphasis on using divine revelation as a catalyst for establishing justice in all its forms, and struggling against injustice in all its forms. (See Chapter 16 for more info on relating the Koran to society.) At the center of this teaching is the concept of Jihad" --Isam for Dummies

Uh, what forms of injustice do you mean... being non-muslim and being alive? And just what forms of justice would you be referring to... murdering non-muslims? Or maybe murdering anyone that doesn't agree with you? Maybe murdering women who leave the house without their face covered? How about murdering a woman because her husband divorces her?

Oh, and I really like the title of the book.

Any religion of peace would have asked the artist to do another mural for their own place of warship... er worship.

OT, On Michael Moore's site:

17 Reasons Not to Slit Your Wrists

A bunch of drivel , but look at #10

10. Five more African Americans were elected as members of Congress, including the return of Cynthia McKinney of Georgia. It's always good to have more blacks in there fighting for us and doing the job our candidates can't.

Cynthia McKinney? What a jackass Moore is. Seems like a shout out to his anti-semitic fans.

That islamo-fascists assert that the most benign rebukes are racist does not surprise me. Nor do obsequious Euro-weenie responses to such claims. The phony accusation of racism is a trump card that can be played again and again in the West (assuming your not a Jew, of course).

Until European (and American) hand wringing over racism this and multicultural that, is tempered with a little self-respect and less political correctness, the downward slide will continue.

While not justified, the islamo-fascists are proud of their culture and worldview, and that is one reason why they outstrip the West in birth rate and geographical spread.

Yes, their god requires rivers of "fragrant blood" - such peaceful religion.
Seriously, if people don't wake up, we are going to have to fight these nuts from a position of defense instead of a position of superior strength.

#46 justamomof4

Can you remember the blog or url to that video?

Seems to me there was one about not worshiping false gods too. Put that on a mural and see who defaces it.

Nazism got its start in Europe in a similar way. I will have to find some of the books and other info I have read about that. All the Islamic fundamentalists need is a figurehead to start pushing the issue in Europe. Not a guy like Osama bin Hidin', but more a guy like Muqtada al Sadr. If and when that happens, Europe will become a battleground state, and we will have WWII all over again. Let's hope it doesn't come to that!

This is abysmal. Old Europe is dying, succumbing fully . They’ve lost the will to fight, the will to accused, It goes beyond the lost of culture, to the will to survive itself. Te shuddering death throws are occurring, this is a clear symptom.

I think even France knows this. They’ve cast both Israel and the US as the foe in European politics knowing fully that nothing unites like an common enemy. This might work but France wants to lead this unification, and its not in their national character.

So HYPOCRITICAL typical of the RoP. We should all lay prayer mats in tribute. You know, as a better way to bridge understanding/

Its not, "thou shalt not KILL", ....that is a BIG misunderstanding. Its "thou shalt not MURDER"

the hebrew word that bible was wrote in for murder and kill is the same and caused confusion with translation, King James version made the mistake. Subsequent versions have corrected this error.

keep in mind, many places in the bible say, "There is a time to Kill" and many similar sayings, like, "time for war", etc.

this stupidity of meaning is what the left constantly try to harp on.

#18 amir

It varies depending on who they're talking to ...

This is how Islam will attempt to take over countries. They will use weaknesses and play on their tendenciy to appease to erode them from the inside.

Remember this next time they demand calls to prayer over a bullhorn in your neighborhood.

This also means that religion to them is nothing but a front if they can tear down a law that Moses brought forth. We already know that murder is perfectly acceptable to them.

Call me racist if you want to, but I've not yet met or even heard of a Muslim that noisely and publicly stands against this worldwide crime. Do they believe that this is right or are they afraid of reprisal?

OT:

micheal "manatee" moore offers reasons not to "slit your wrists."

Oh, and atrios is shutting down his lovely little hive of anti-Americanism for a while... a sign of things to come?

We can hope.

Oops, my bad, the title of the book is...

"Koran for Dummies"

Sorry

Rather than being against it as "racism", they surely mean they are against it because if forbids the "beheading of innocent human beings for the World to see on video".

#51 Sir Lurksalot

I found his list of servicemen to be particularly offensive

Either they believe killing is okay or they want to be killed. All the mosque folks are doing is confirming the stereotype and proving that we are not racists or bigots, just realists!

Another socialist utopian dream ending in nightmare...

Will the LLLs ever learn?

A few will, even if late. Some definitely too late.
And others will never learn.

But there is a large fraction of Europeans who are not LLLs, and will not surrender. What will happen if the Islamic radicals will push them beyond the limit of sopportation?

However, I have something to say about the stupid anti-European comments and "humor" here: STFU.

Since they find "Thou Shalt Not Kill" offensive, they'll pretty much be happy when we give Fallujah the leveling it deserves, right?

The more correct translation is "Thou shall not murder." (Most modern translations have it like this) Killing in just wars is permissible. Murder, what the Muslim fanatics do all the time, is prohibited. In most commandments, there is a way to atone. Forgiveness from the injured party is a crucial element. However, in cases of real murder it is not possible to get forgiveness from the murdered person. Actually, nobody can forgive the murderer on behalf of the victim.

Incidentally, the only commandment where there is no forgiveness is taking the Lord's name "inappropriately". In other words, murdering in God's name, like killing someone while shouting "Allah Akbar" is an unforgiveable sin.

A lot the murdering Islamic bastards care about this. They not only want to murder but they want to justify it in advance by advancing the proposition the rest of the world is wrongly condeming them by singling them out as the only society condoning murder.

Pathetic. The Muslims have GOT to fix their own religion. It would help a whole lot if we could put a real squeeze hold on Saudi Arabia and Egypt and even Iran to change the messages that come out of their state controlled media.

#51 Sir Lurksalot

must... read... thread... before... posting...

Sorry all.

Some of the Dutch will certainly fight back, but the authorities will ruthlessly suppress them. The meaning of the word 'Dutch' has been redefined by the socialist masters, and they did it without consulting anyone.

#62 Smug Monkey

micheal "manatee" moore offers reasons not to "slit your wrists."

No! We want the LLL to slit their wrists. Better they do it now, and save us all the trouble of having to bury them one at a time.....

This capitulation to the Islamofacists (removing the mural) is de-facto permission for them to keep killing all who criticize them.

Euroidiots.

#65 Kragar

I just find his existence offensive.

#70 Smug Monkey

I didn't read either.

Just took my chances.

"There are only two things I can't stand in this world: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures...

...and the Dutch."

- Nigel Powers, "Goldmember"

Racist, huh? Who needs to be reminded that the "Phoenix memo," describing OBL-loving [bigoted word]s taking flying lessons, was shelved by the FBI honchos because acting on the information might give the appearance of--horrors!--"racial profiling." Sensitivity comes at a high price.

I'm sure the Dutch will be outraged for a day and not ride their bikes, then it's back to "business as usual."

#54

Originally found at Faithfreedom.org; takes a while to download but worth the wait.

[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...]
Here is the footage. I hope the bandwidth allows the footage to play.
[Link: www.noord.kw.nl...]

OT: EU leaders express solidarity with Palestinians

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

If the equation is true, I will be a racist the rest of my life.

On-topic -

Terrorist hit list 'targets' top Dutch politicians

De Telegraaf said detectives have come across a "death list".

Top of the list was Van Gogh who made the movie Submission which criticised the treatment of women in Islamic communities.

The other five names on the list are Somali-born Liberal VVD MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali, independent conservative MP Geert Wilders; Immigration and Integration Minister Rita Verdonk; and Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen and his deputy Ahmed Aboutaleb.

Those bad, bad, bad racists.

The actual Hebrew verb is not "kill" - it's "murder".

Of course killing someone who offends ANYTHING to do with Islam is not murder... unless you're the one at the receiving end.

OT

Lovely Article on MSN:

The unteachable ignorance of the red states.

I grew up in Missouri and most of my family voted for Bush, so I am going to be the one to say it: The election results reflect the decision of the right wing to cultivate and exploit ignorance in the citizenry. I suppose the good news is that 55 million Americans have evaded the ignorance-inducing machine. But 58 million have not. (Well, almost 58 million—my relatives are not ignorant, they are just greedy and full of classic Republican feelings of superiority.)

#25 - Amir

Sorry - you got there first...

Dhimmitude in action.

And thanks to all who pointed out the King James mistranslation. LGF --the site that fact checks your Bible!

#79 Pooh

OT: EU leaders express solidarity with Palestinians

Not surprised since the money source from Saddam is dried up and Arafish is suppose to have a few billions laying around.

#67 FabioC.

:)

Most of the negative comments have been about the Dutch in particular and Euroweenies (the Chirac and Schroeder types) in general.

Nobody's dissing Italy or decent Europeans.

Phew! Almost spelled that Europeons ...

</joke!>

Stupid Europussies. I suppose it never occurred to them to sandblast the "...the head of a nearby mosque ..." instead.

#84 Kragar

Wretchard at the Belmont Club comments on this screed in his own inimitable way...

#84 Kragar

Don't worry. They still have not, and will not learn.

ps - did you know that those that voted for Bush absolutely hate gays and that was what we were voting on. At least that is what I have been hearing.

sigh

They think "thou shalt not kill" is racist? Lets drop it for them then. Hey everyone! It's open season on muslims! What's that? It's only okay to kill infidels? Fuck that, they're the infidels from where I'm standing.

#87 moonsbreath

"Not surprised since the money source from Saddam is dried up and Arafish is suppose to have a few billions laying around."

That's not it all all. Whatever they say, and whatever they pretend, their love for the Palestinians is based on their hatred of the Jews.

#88 Thom

Yes, most of the commenters make the distinction clear.

But some others are slipping into unpleasant generalizations.

OT - but I don't know if any here listens or even gets Michael Graham (630 AM in the DC area) but he was talking about 'zombies' pics this morning :-)

Yes, I think we've covered the fact that more than half of america is stooopid.

Now, where did i put my gun...

Owl
Mossberg 12 guage
Marlin 30-30
Glock 9 ( coming soon)

They're sandblasting away their heritage...Frankly, this is yet another example of the irrelevance of Old Europe in the battle for Western Civilization. Pathetic.

It seems to me that Europe has really taken their liberalism too far...

They are ultralibs when it comes to having everyone fairly and totally free. Yet, their tenets also abjure the freedom to say anything in public that would offend anyone else.

But oddly enough [and this I believe is a disease just as prevalent in the good Ol' United States as it is in Europe], the idea that the complaint given by the plaintiff universally outranks the freedom-of-speech given by the defendant is also offensive. But that has become the heart of European society: bend to all complainers, give more oil to the squeakier wheels. We too in America pander to our squeaky wheels, our 'professionally oppressed', our special interests that insist they are the focus of passive-aggressive social repression. On one level, I understand it ... after all the idea that the Jewish are a special people, uniquely sundered by the holocaust, and that the world should forever remember and atone ... is a bittersweet, but good idea. People get tired of atoning though, and in this modern age, want to move on. The American Indians are at least as numerous, have grievances that could paper the Empire State building, yet are nearly invisible. They also are not pressing for perpetual white-man atonement. Maybe they should. I don't know.

But here in Amsterdam we have the ultimate in plaintiff-rules mentality [to be fair: once the complaint was lodged, the city was required to send a surveyer, a cop, and a scrub-down team. It would hardly be the position of a cop to defend some lofty ideal of 'freedom of expression'; his is the job of getting what his department told him to get done, done. As with polize worldwide, theirs is not an interpretive role, it is an executive rule.] But the plaintiff-rules mentality is absurd, taken to this extreme. Its moral equivalencing to Jewish complaints of swastikas sprayed on headstones, is where the loss lies. There was not a single icon of Catholicism or generic Christianity [including the damned dove of peace] in the thing. I couldn't read the tiny print at the bottom. Maybe it said, "May the bird of peace loose a flying turd on your mosque, turban heads!!!" or something. If so, then the sign DID need to come down.

But to say, in words, what is without any doubt hard-coded into the Laws of the Netherlands, "Don't Kill [your neighbor]", hardly is offensive. It should have bright fucking neon lights and a parade of flugelhorn honkers to boot.

But again ... we must consider: it was but just a pint of paint. It can [and should] be painted again and again, until the city is no longer interested in taking it down.

GoatGuy

Europe has to wake up......it has too.....

I cannot stand the idea of Islam destroying our heritage and the home of our ancestors.....home of such tremendous history and thought and art etc etc...

Islam will turn Europe into a shithole like there own countries...

Lord, please wake up the Europeans!!!

All the Micheal Moorons can slit their own thoats for all I care.

The Muslim population had a right to kill this dude. He was spreading propaganda that women have to be respected as human beings. Bah!

I think the single driving force of Islam through the ages is that it inculcates a supreme status for the male, and a subserviant status for the female. What self-respecting man wouldn't go for that? Shut up, bitch! Take that, whore! What? Did you dare sass me? Well...I guess I'll have to drag you to the court tomorrow, and see what Sharia Law has to say about it.

Strangely, American Libs appear not to give a damn. It's up to us Republicans to point out the future of Europe, and possibly, this country.

perchprism

#79 Pooh

Translation: Pleeeeeaze don't kill us!

Hmmm... this sounds strikingly similar to the Democrats.

#95 FabioC.

Unfortunately, that happens.

The Brits were royally pissed off yesterday by some of the comments on the Daily Mirror thread .... while the Black Watch has our backs in Fallujah. It really is irritating.

#83 song_and_dance_man

Hmmm.... Thats what Hitler did twords the end.

#84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

All my learnin' and I'm still stupid......

#91 - Right Wing Conspirator

The other night I sat wide-eyed, listening to an intelligent woman tell me the most astounding conspiracy theories re the Bush "dynasty." It was as if she had strung together the usual words and phrases (eg: Haliburton) and offered them to me as if I were a total ignoramus (which she is convinced, poor fellow, I am).

I have a hard time sitting impassively listening to that sh-t without commenting on peoples' sanity, then trying to be chummy and friendly afterward.

I'm now commenting, sometimes quite rudely; let them worry about being chummy and friendly.

#97 Owl

Is that Mossberg a riot gun?

#51 Sir Lurksalot

OT, On Michael Moore's site:

17 Reasons Not to Slit Your Wrists

A bunch of drivel , but look at #10

10. Five more African Americans were elected as members of Congress, including the return of Cynthia McKinney of Georgia. It's always good to have more blacks in there fighting for us and doing the job our candidates can't.

Cynthia McKinney? What a jackass Moore is. Seems like a shout out to his anti-semitic fans.

Just to add to that, McKinney replaced Denise Majette, who ran (unsuccessfully) for Zell Miller's seat in the Senate. Judge Majette, a black woman, had beaten McKinney for the House seat two years earlier.

So, how does one black woman replacing another black woman, equal "more blacks." Maybe he meant "Moore blacks?"

#99 GoatGuy

But again ... we must consider: it was but just a pint of paint. It can [and should] be painted again and again, until the city is no longer interested in taking it down.

Yes, but are there still enough people there who are willing to fight for their freedom? It would be a glorious rebellion, wouldn't it?

I don't even know how to respond to this. What is the world becoming?

WHat I do forsee is a big backlash by the Dutch

BEND OVER!

About the kill-murder distinction:

From my understanding, the Hebrew word is more akin to "take life unjustly." Not quite murder, but as close as we can get in engrish I suppose.

^dy/_dx

and the unpublished 11th:

Thou shalt not touch thy neighbors' yardsigns

ps - did you know that those that voted for Bush absolutely hate gays and that was what we were voting on

I hate the sin, not the person.

#25 amir, to learn more I ask:

kill ---- lo tirzach -- murder. Is lo tirzach a direct one-to-one translation to murder? Or is there more meaning? I realize the KJV translation needs clarification. kill is inclusive of all ways to 'cause death by an agency in any manner' while murder narrows the definition to: 'implies stealth and motive and premeditation and therefore full moral responsibility'. What about negligence? Battery not intended to kill but does? Most Christians who read the KJV understand the difference in 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' and David slinging a rock into the Philistine's skull because the Philistine wanted him and his people dead. No one came close to thinking David did something wrong; wasn't even brought up.

Europe is brain dead.

Is there not one among the Dutch who can stand up and say "Excuse me, but what race does this statement attack?" Of course Europe is so indoctrinated with leftism that they've probably been cowed into accepting that "racism" means "anything the left doesn't like."

I say Mr. Ripke should instead get back out there and do murals of Muhammed's statements. Should drive the leftists and Islamists nuts, as they won't be willing to criticize them directly.

#18 amir:

Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think Islam accepts the old testament per se, but rather their version of things as they appear in the Koran.

Doesn't matter. When they send their PR spokesdroids out into the West, they deliberately try to give the impression they revere every word in the Bible. It's got to be pointed out that this is not the case.

By that equation, the whole bible or torah must be hate literature. Kinda goes against if it feels good,,do it, your truth is not my truth etc.

MSM don't understand that anything they say can be corrected as fast as you guy/gals have corrested me re kill/murder, and this will always be their downfall.

Off to work (10hrs.), back tonight.

in the words of PJ O"Rourke

what the fucking fuck?

Will Europe swing back before its too late?

This is exactly the kind of thing that will happen if you allow unlimited immigration from a part of the world where it is quite normal for parents to call their children 'Hitler':

"From 6 to 13 July, Deputy Minister of Supervision Chen Changzhi visited Egypt and met with chairman of the Administrative Control Agency Gen. Hitler Tantawi. The two sides signed cooperation agreement between the two ministries."

So, let me get this straight.

"Thou shalt not kill" is offensive and racist.

And, if the words are offensive and racist to the "head of the nearby mosque," then the actions must be, too.

That's easy: Don't NOT kill them.

OT:

[Link: www.sorryeverybody.com...]

The DemoDhimmis are at it again...

Racism: n. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

If you saw the words "Thou Shall Not Kill," with no context beyond a brick wall, how would you react? Would you assume a religious motivation, or anti-terrorism, anti-war, anti-crime?

If you saw it beside a German concentration camp memorial, it would have more context. Or near any scene of terrorism, a church or bus bombing... but would you ever assume the condemnation of violence was an offense against your tribe, clan or ethnos?

If you would, what does that say about you?

The Loony Left commandment:

"Thou shalt be EXTRA solicitous of Muslim Sensibilities"

#114 KWH

I hate the sin, not the person.

You are right on target, with that, and with Jesus.

Every human person has intrinsic dignity, but some (like the Islamofascists), don't act in accordance with that dignity.

Don't miss the posts by Peter Verkooijen and tictoc on the previous thread about this. See post #141 on that thread too.

Quodlibetarian
Looks like a lot of "sorry" people to me.

Has anyone seen the JPost recently?

Arafat has turned into a zombie!

What about negligence?
Willfull negligence is wrong.

Battery not intended to kill but does?
Depends if it was in defence. If it wasn't then you are guilty.

#102 perchprism

I think the single driving force of Islam through the ages is that it inculcates a supreme status for the male, and a subserviant status for the female. What self-respecting man wouldn't go for that? Shut up, bitch! Take that, whore! What? Did you dare sass me? Well...I guess I'll have to drag you to the court tomorrow, and see what Sharia Law has to say about it.

The superior position of men in Islam is its greatest selling point. When feminsts in the United States waste good bluster on Christians this is the first thing which pops into my mind.

Islam allows polygamy, instant divorce, honor killing, has rules for wife beating, and permits pedophilia. Islam appeals to the most base human drives. That helps explain its success. And it highlights the danger in letting it spread. The Koran is a blueprint for male domination and endless war.

But good luck convincing a modern feminist that Islam is a threat. They save their most venomous attacks for GWB and his denial of their right to have an abortion after the baby is in nursery school.

Holland is a country. Like many other countries, it contains a percentage of morons.

Like some other countries, it has a lefty contingent in the electorate and on the bench.

Like most of those same other countries, it also has a helluva lot of good, solid, reasonably normal people who do not smoke hash, aren't queer, and would just as soon put a round through this latest Koranic murderer as step over his body in the street.

In other words, it's a lot like Kalifornia. Holland also produces the world's very best gin (taught the Brits how to make inferior copies) and should get a break on the basis of that, alone.

#123 Quod

What worthless people. Send em to Abu Dabai.

#129 Final Historian

Holy crap!

Light of the Living Arafish!

/story idea for george romero

Quodlibetarian (#123),

LOL.

What a bunch of pathetic losers.

Is it possible for secular Dutch society to assimilate the children of Moslem immigrants?

If it's possible for student democratic movements to grow in an oppressive mullah-nazi police state like Iran...

No flames, please. I'm well aware it's a difficult problem.

#123

My late father used to say, "I'll say you're sorry. Now apologize!"

What a bunch of sorry losers.

#77 moonsbreath

I'm sure the Dutch will be outraged for a day and not ride their bikes, then it's back to "business as usual."

LOL !Now you're pushing it here.I know the Dutch and believe me,they won't go that far.A few hours maximum,not a whole day ,no sir..

#114 KWH

Agreed. People do have value as given by God. Do to the choices of Adam and Eve, we need to keep ourselves in check.

I'm surprised the leader of the mosque could even read it.

Just as the recent election proved beyond any reasonable doubt that the MSM is a tool of the Demonrat Party, this should prove beyond any reasonable doubt that Islam has only a superficial relationship with Judeo/Christian heritage.

That superficial relationship is they worship our G-d's opposite number. Islam is a death-cult.

#123 - We're sorry

We should all make ones along the lines of "We're so sorry...the world can't collectively pull it's head out of it's ass and see that a second term for Bush is a good thing for the world."

#123 Quod

I noticed alot of people had "we still hate bush" on their signs. I suppose "hate" is PC when talking about bush. Do they realize their guy LOST the effin election?????

UNBELIEVEABLE!

Given the sandy nature of the countries of origin of many muslims in the Netherlands, there is a certain symbolism in this "Thou Shalt not Kill" message being sandblasted.

Charles, are you here? This crime is made just for us. Look who may have slashed the tires on the 20 Republican vans Tuesday morning in Milwaukee. From today's Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. There are links to a Democratic Congressman.

Supreme Solar Allah, the son of state Sen. Gwen Moore, who won a seat in the U.S. Congress on Tuesday. Allah's given name is Sowande Omokunde

Police are planning to question the adult children of two prominent Democrats as early as today in the wide-ranging probe into who, early on election day, slashed the tires of 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party.
The investigation has already led to the Tuesday arrest of Opel E. Simmons III, a veteran party activist from Virginia in town to work on John Kerry's presidential campaign. Simmons, 33, was released Thursday afternoon without being charged.
Sources told us that police, who are being assisted by the FBI, plan to speak to Michael Pratt, son of former Acting Mayor Marvin Pratt, and Supreme Solar Allah, the son of state Sen. Gwen Moore, who won a seat in the U.S. Congress on Tuesday. Allah's given name is Sowande Omokunde, and he lives in Moore's north side home, according to her campaign finance reports.
Officials declined to say what role the two sons might have played in the incident or what they might know about it. But numerous police sources made it clear that detectives from the police intelligence division want to quiz them soon.
"They will be talked to," one insider said Thursday evening. "Most likely probably tomorrow."
Even though authorities have not talked to his son, sources said, Marvin Pratt has contacted the Police Department to inquire about the case.
The senior Pratt - the chairman of Kerry's Milwaukee campaign - also popped up on the scene Tuesday night when police arrived to arrest Simmons on a vandalism charge. Also witnessing the arrest, sources said, was someone videotaping the bust.
Neither Marvin nor Michael Pratt returned a call or responded to a message left at Marvin Pratt's house. Moore and her son did not respond to repeated calls.
Because of the sensitive nature of the investigation and the possible involvement of the children of two of the area's best-known politicians, sources said, Police Chief Nannette Hegerty called Mayor Tom Barrett on Wednesday to tell him police would be speaking to Pratt and Allah. Barrett defeated Pratt in April.
A spokesman for the mayor's office confirmed Thursday that "the chief has briefed the mayor on the situation." It's standard for the police chief to keep the mayor in the loop when investigating a politically sensitive case.
[Link: www.jsonline.com...]

An editorial in the Canadian Jewish News quotes the vice-president of the Canadian Islamic Congress as saying the following:

...the Qur'an rejects the Jewish concept of racial superiority, that is, the status of their being the chosen people. The concept is not only racist, bit directly contradicts the Qur'anic worldview of racial equality. Unfortunately, the Jewish idea of being 'chosen' not only institutionalized racism, but also set a terrible precedent for human history in general, where racial superiority claims became the norm, the divisive standard by which all others, those not like us were to be judged and treated.

Got that? If those infernal Jews hadn't gotten on their high camels about being chosen, racism as we know it would never have existed.

But again ... we must consider: it was but just a pint of paint. It can [and should] be painted again and again, until the city is no longer interested in taking it down.

Charles, I think GoatGuy's words are worth highlighting as an update on the growing resistance in the Netherlands.

#146 scaramouche.

Qur'anic worldview

Hmmmm...Wonder if he could elaborate?

Yes, it is a world gone mad. It will take a few more attacks for the Left-overs to adjust. On the other hand who cares if they do, they haven't the votes.

This is going to happen all over Eurabia eventually. The local authorities bending over backwards.

We all need to take a pledge that we will never succumb to islamic pressures. We will never see the Constitution of the US trampled upon by islam.

Poor, Poor Europe. It's just about lost......They are now starting to get it. Hopefully they will wake up in time. But, that time is already past. The Islamists are all armed. Very soon we will see the mass migration of Christian Western Europe trying to come to the United States. Not for freedom of religion, but from islamic servitude, slavery and murder.

Go ahead say this is racist. We either take a stand now, or we lose. Maybe we already have lost. Remember, every gas station is a bomb waiting to blow up in our neighborhoods.

Be united despite the democrats in this country. We will have to come to their rescue one day.

God Bless America. I refer to the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, not to their God who is know to us as Satan.

#107 Keelie
That is why now, with the majority of my LLL friends, I don't bring up the election. Granted, they have asked me not to, but sometimes during lunch they will get a quick little nutty comment in. I just let it slide. They are really going insane. One of my good, good friends at work - who isn't even interested in politics - said "I feel like my whole family has been raped and abused again and again." Ummm, WTF ? and STFU !!! She said she was just voting for Kerry because I despised him so much......don't act all freakin' depressed and emotional when you have no idea what your talking about.

Aaaargh.....sorry, just rambling right now.

A coalition of 40 community groups is sponsoring a rally this Sunday in Toronto to bring attention to the situation in Darfur. Some prominent Jewish and Christian groups are participating; Muslim groups are noticeable in their absence.
[Link: www.cjnews.com...]

#132 Mark IV

"Holland is a country. Like many other countries, it contains a percentage of morons."

It also had the highest percentage of foreign recruits to the SS, and one of the worst record of collaboration with the Nazis. As if that weren't bad enough, Holland treated returning Jewish survivors with utter contempt, and even now has returned only a tiny fraction of the property it stole from the Jews who were rounded up by Dutch policeman on Dutch orders. Today, Holland has one of the worst levels of anti-Semitism in Europe. Where but in Holland can one hear chants at soccer matches every week like "the trains to Auschwitz are waiting" and "Hamas, Hamas, all Jews to the gas"? And it's anti-Zionism verges on the pathological, with over 70% of the Dutch believing that Israel is the "greatest danger to world peace". I couldn't give a damn if Holland disappeared back into the sea within the next 24 hours.

...the Qur'an rejects the Jewish concept of racial superiority, that is, the status of their being the chosen people.

Just because they're chosen, doesn't mean they have not sinned. Humans sin and we pay for it. Anyone care to count the times since their exodous they were punished by God for their sins? God still didn't desert them, even when the MAJORITY were for returning to Egypt all for their leeks, melons and garlic. Maybe there's a powerful message there.....somewhere..... perhaps the world still has a chance...........perhaps....

It is quite believable that the Dutch are subjagating themselves and their democracy to Islamist ideology. The levels of appeasement, paralyzing liberalism and socialism have turned their society into quivering blobs of jellyfish protoplasm.

If there is no resistance and opposition to this Islamo-Fascist ideology, then there is no hope for Europe. It is bound to join the many countries that have become colossal and total failures under the control of Islam. 99.99% of Islamic countries are full buckets of shit steaming in the Arabian sun. Sorry for the scatological remark, but as an ex-Muslim, I am completely depressed and shocked with this PC attitude.

That is why I left the country of my birth to live in the freedom of the United States of America.

I need to take my blood pressure meds right now!

Regards,
Fuad.

#146 scaramouche

Yet, strangely, I've never had a Jewish person cut in line in front of me and say "I'm chosen, loser." But Muslims whine and seethe for special treatment, every, single, day.

This thread is the penultimate example of the heirarchy of religions. Muslims >>>> everyone else. I'm collecting torches and pitchforks. This will not stand forever.

And the moral of the story is: people who are willing to fight and kill for their convictions get their way.

Or as Putin put it, "the weak get beaten."

This is going to happen all over Eurabia eventually. The local authorities bending over backwards.

And everyone knows nothing good happens when ya bend over......

#154 KWH

Goodness man! Are you my clone?

#145 Dave the.....

"Supreme Solar Allah"? Oh, puh-leeez.

What happened to "Sunbeam", and "Starshine", and "Moon Unit"...good, wholesome hippie names?

#145 Dave the....

I'm glad to see that law enforcement is pursuing this. Pretty damn embarrassing to the Dems in general, and the Kerry-Edwards campaign specifically.

#160 apotheosis

Or "Ganga"?

LOL!

Blackeyed Pierce
Just live by certain principals, that's all. Not perfect, but I try.

I saw the video and it looks like powerwasher, not sandlbasting. You can see water dripping off.

Not that it makes a difference...still, a horror

Here's the deal: Leftism and Islamofascism have discovered common ground. They will attempt to plant these weeds here, just like in Europe.

Anyone who doesn't believe that Islam has a chance to take root in this country is deluding himself. Typically, they have already claimed victory in our prison system.

Next: the radical left.

I'm all for a constitutional Amendment that defines Islam as a political cult, rather than a bona fide religion.

Freedom of religion cannot extent to political cults, no matter how ancient and entrenched.

Perchprism

#152 scaramouche

It's going to be too late for many of them. On U.S. election eve the Sudanese government surrounded the refugee camps and it's not clear what happened to the people who were in them. Some were marched off to parts unknown.

There were a few UN statements which threatened further statements. But I'm afraid the genocide has reached assembly line scale at this point.

The BBC story about the arrest of the nine Islamists for van Gogh's murder links to this unintentionally hilarious story from two years ago. It's all about how, in an effort to familiarize Imams with Dutch culture, they were compelled to take a "get-to-know-the-Dutch" course.

Maybe some of them should go back to school.

#145

Charles, I agree with Dave. This deserves a topic.

Spivak & Bice: Tire-slashing questions await Democrats' sons

The recent controversy surrounding the various depictions of the Ten Commandments, gave me pause to consider....What religious groups, beyond the Atheists, would find the Ten Commandments offensive?
I began to compare the beliefs and Judeo-Christian philosophy to that of Islam...

I discovered that the foundations and religious teachings are diametrically opposed to each other.

Islam not only does not recognize the Ten Commandments as a foundation for law and civilization...Their 'Holy Prophet' created his own laws to justify his own lusts, and desires, even flaunting anypre-Islamic laws that may have initially had a similarity to the Judeo-Christian law..................... according to ISLAM

The recent controversy surrounding the various depictions of the Ten Commandments, gave me pause to consider....What religious groups, beyond the Atheists, would find the Ten Commandments offensive?
I began to compare the beliefs and Judeo-Christian philosophy to that of Islam...

I discovered that Islam not only does not recognize the Ten Commandments as a foundation for law and civilization...Their 'Holy Prophet' created his own laws to justify his own lusts, and desires, even flaunting ampere-Islamic laws that may have initially had a similarity to the Judeo-Christian law.

I AM THE LORD THY GOD, THOU SHALT NOT HAVE strange gods BEFORE ME.
Muhammad worshiped Allah the Arabian moon god as well as the three pagan Arabian goddesses, Allat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.
[Link: www.bible.ca...]
[Link: www.bible.ca...]
Additionally, Muhammad came to expect worship of himself, because of his role as the "prophet" of Allah.
Islam is also based on Pagan meteorite worship...
[Link: www.bible.ca...]

THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN.
Muhammad claimed to be speaking for God, in fact he used supposed dictates and "dreams" from God to justify his own unacceptable behavior and repugnant actions.
[Link: www.letusreason.org...]
Allah and the Biblical G-d are NOT the same. Allah is not the name of G-D.
[Link: www.johnankerberg.org...]
[Link: www.dawateislami.net...]

.REMEMBER THOU KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH DAY..
Remember to face the birthplace of "Muhammad", (Opposite direction from Jerusalem) when you pray.
Think of and pray "Muhammed"the only prophet and his god "Allah" five times a day.

.HONOR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER.
[Link: www.yahoodi.com...]
Remember to kill your Mothers, sisters and daughters if they spend time in the presence of an unrelated male
[Link: www.islamreview.com...]
Deprive your mothers of all rights to their children in cases of separation and divorce

THOU SHALT NOT KILL/MURDER.
"For he who believes in the Trinity, "the Fire will be his abode … a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemer." Qur'an (5:72-73)
[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...]
Assassinate opponents and those who threaten the Power of Islam.
[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...]
Commit acts of genocide on Infidel races and peoples
[Link: www.bible.ca...]
"Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5)
[Link: www.angelfire.com...]

Hate to be contrary, but has it occurred to anybody that the Dutch policemen replacing the sign were actually being ironic or sarcastic.

Maybe this was their way of reacting to ridiculous political correctness. We may have more friends in Holland than we think.

I'm all for a constitutional Amendment that defines Islam as a political cult, rather than a bona fide religion.

The only problem with this is: Who will define other religions? Our freedom to worship as we choose will surely be in jeopardy. The main reason for our countrys exhistance would now be questioned and perhaps forgotten.

THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY..
The Qur'an in Surah 4:3 limits a man to four wives, but Mohammed went well beyond this limit. Mohammed took to himself 16 wives through formal marriage. In addition, he kept two women as slave-concubines, and had four devout Muslim women who "gave" themselves to Mohammed as acts of devotion.
[Link: www.islamreview.com...]
Adultery in Islam is a great sin punishable by stoning and sin. But a Muslim man can commit adultery with his maid or a married woman if he invades her town and captures her in the war.,,,,Hmmmmm sounds a bit like sanctioned rape! and...

Already, when Aisha (the daughter of Abu Bakr, Mohammad's closest friend and unquestioning ally) was about 4-5 years old Muhammad started dreaming of a union with her [Ref: SAHIH BUKHARI, 5:235] and he wasted no time in realizing his dreams, inspite of the fact that object of his dreams was a mere child. Perhaps you want to assume that it is "normal" for a 50+ year old man to dream of marrying a 4-5 old child, and then ACTUALLY ask for her hand at 6?

THOU SHALT NOT STEAL.
Mohammed was a [Link: www.studytoanswer.net...] raider, a thief, a slaver, a rapist, a deceiver, an horse and camel thief, and he encouraged his followers to do the same.

THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR.
Muhammed encouraged his followers to lie, deceive and cheat if the cause was in his name or that of Islam.
[Link: www.molthagen.de...]
and deceit were a way to lower the guard if the eventual victims of Islamic greed, lust and avarice.
Taqiyya and kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic terrorism
[Link: www.ci-ce-ct.com...]
[Link: www.fact-index.com...]
Lying is wrong, except in Islam three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people" (Ahmad, 6.459. H). : in the Koran the lie is allowed in sura 5:89 and sura 16:106 5.86

THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE.
[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...]
Mohammed bedded and married his adopted son's wife, Zaynab...so to rationalize his abhorrent behavior, against a growing disgust amongst his followers, The "Prophet"reported that during a dream,.... "Allah wishes "to abolish the "heresy" of adoption..

THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S GOODS.
Mohammed coveted everything that was his neighbors.
[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...] The "Prophet" so coveted the wealth of Medina... that he raided the 2000 year old Jewish communities of Medina, killed their men, confiscated their properties, enslaved their wives and children and banished the unwanted with no provocation on the part of he Jews. The holy Prophet's sole motive was greed for their wealth and lust for their women.

#115 Roger

In Hebrew lirtzoah לרצוח = to murder. laharog להרוג = to kill.

Is lo tirzach a direct one-to-one translation to murder?

Yes, at least in modern Hebrew.

How come no-ones put up a replacement poster yet?

I would. And keep putting that poster up, every fucking day and make sure it gets plastered all over the Dutch media! Come on Holland! Do something!

I’m not optimistic about a Dutch backlash against this and other incidents of Mohammedan barbarism on their soil. After all, the only thing that the Dutch are really proud of these days is the fact that marijuana is legal in their country, which probably means that they’ll all just get the munchies and fall asleep while their country is slowly being conquered….one artist at a time.

"Supreme Solar Allah"? Oh, puh-leeez.

It actually sounds like a parody name. Something Eric Cartman would come up with.

I'm thinking this would be a good thread as it combines two of the more common topics on LFG.

Radical left wing Dems
And I assume redical Islam based on the name

Islam != Religion. Islam = death-worshipping cult.

I'm praying for the day when America's persuasive and influential Jewish political organizations, which have traditionally been in favor of high levels of immigration from all corners of the globe, reverse this position and start to use their influence to end immigration to the US from Islamic countries.

Events like we have seen in the Netherlands since Pim's murder are not far off in the US.

In what has since proved seed corn for today’s headlong drive toward mandated multiculturalism, Rabbi Stephen Wise urged Congress in 1924 to consider in its immigration policies “the right of every man outside of America to be considered fairly and equitably and without discrimination.”

Since the abolition of a national origins system with the Immigration Act of 1965, America has done just that. The result is that the 20 mosques that existed in the United States through the mid 1960s have multiplied to 1,209 by 2001, according to the Council on Arab-Islamic Relations, with an additional 1,800 prayer centers under construction. The dominant form of Islam preached in those mosques—some 80 percent of them—is Wahhabism, which teaches that the devout Muslim must work to convert the entire world to Islam, even if that means killing non-Muslims in the process.

Our present system of immigration also makes possible the admission of Takfiris, as followers of the North African Islamic doctrine known as Takfir wal Hijra are called. Takfiris are called upon to immigrate to non-Muslim lands, adopt the ways of their host country, and then wage all out armed jihad. As Takfir scholar Abu Basir wrote in 2001, "jihad and immigration go together...the one cannot be achieved without the other."

#170 schaffman

Hate to be contrary, but has it occurred to anybody that the Dutch policemen replacing the sign were actually being ironic or sarcastic.

I hate to blast that out of the water with an 18" battleship gun, but they confiscated some of the tape and arrested the guy who was defending the sign - on private property. Moreover, the cop who was doing the arresting seemed very upset he was being filmed. Why don't you watch the tape before commenting further?

"The unteachable ignorance of the red states..."

How arrogant.

How insulting.

Much anger....... must maintain control.....

Fucking troll......
[Link: slate.msn.com...]

#115 Roger

kill ---- lo tirzach -- murder. Is lo tirzach a direct one-to-one translation to murder?

Literal translation from modern Hebrew is: You will not murder. In modern Hebrew there's a clear distinction between 'retzach' - murder, and 'hariga' - killing, but we should remember that today's clearly defined terms have developed along side with the development of modern criminal law. I'm not sure that these terms had quite the same very distinct definitions in ancient Hebrew.

fox news reporting:

troops staging and loading weapons and vehicles.....

Falujaaaaaaaa.......

TO NITE

New American Standard Bible has the correct translation:

Exodus 20:13
Deuteronomy 5:17

You shall not murder.

Sorry.

#180 should have been headed with "OT"

Looks like Belle Smiley over at Slate is not too happy with us.

Commentary, if you're interested, can be found here

My question is - how will they know which areas have been bombed?

[Link: ballousnews.blogspot.com...]

The recent controversy surrounding the various depictions of the Ten Commandments, gave me pause to consider....What religious groups, beyond the Atheists, would find the Ten Commandments offensive?

This is a point I make when saying that the left/Democrats are trying to make Atheism the state religion.

It offends me to see anything that reminds me that I am lost sinner.

Killing, however, does not!

The Complete Arab Idiot's Guide to Wife Beating.

Very popular in certain quarters.

#96 Right Wing Conspirator
OT - but I don't know if any here listens or even gets Michael Graham (630 AM in the DC area) but he was talking about 'zombies' pics this morning :-)

Whoa!! Who knows on how many other radio shows they're being discussed? Thanks for the heads-up, RWC.

I occasionally glance at my "referrer logs" to find that my pictures are being discussed/linked-to/reposted on all the most bizarre places. My pix from yesterday are already hot topics on the Ted Nugent Forum, The Off-track Motorcycle page, "Glock Talk," and so on -- not to mention Instapundit and LGF, of course.

Back on topic: did anybody notice the symbolic irony of the fact that the two guys in the Rotterdam city grafitti-removal crew that came to destroy the mural looked to be Muslims themselves? Gives me the shudders...

Fiery Celt--The comparative religion analysis of the ten commandments would be worth making into a dedicated web site.

#44

Americans by and large believe freedom is worth fighting for and defending. We recognize that sometimes it needs to be fought for, as in with guns and bullets.

How much longer do you think until we have to go back over there and save their sorry a$$es? Shades of WWII all over it. History really does repeat itself.

Mom

Here is a great new quote from MM:

"The only age group in which the majority voted for Kerry was young adults (Kerry: 54%, Bush: 44%), proving once again that your parents are always wrong and you should never listen to them."

VERY good advice. Why listen to people with more experience, more money and more wisdom.

/sarcasm

#178 Goateeki

Thank you for your post, rich of info.

I had figured by myself that terrorism and immigration are the arms of a two-pronged attack, but you quote the words of the muslims who openly say that...

Pretty convincing.

Husker

you may be a sinner, however your not lost....

An easy one has just been teed up for the Dutch. The silly government takes down an artistic/political statement containing the commandment "Thou shalt not kill." It is a principle (except for abortion and euthanisa) probably enshrined in Dutch law and statues.

Now it is racist and offensive, and the Government appeases the silly muslim whining by destroying the artist's work.

HERE IS THE SOLUTION: Buttons, t-shirts, placards on doors, should be made, distributed and worn or shown by individual Dutch citizens. What' the Dhimmi Dutch government going to do, throw everyone in jail, torch the houses with the placards in the window or doors? What a simple beautiful statement could be made and the appeasniks that rule the Netherlands and their muslims masters would have to sit back and seeth.

#178 goateeki

I'm praying for the day when America's persuasive and influential Jewish political organizations, which have traditionally been in favor of high levels of immigration from all corners of the globe, reverse this position and start to use their influence to end[s] immigration to the US from Islamic countries.

Under the new EU policies....the 10 commandments are indeed viewed as "offensive" to the religious sensibilities of the little Mussiwumps!

Muslims do not accept the 10 commandments, in fact, they find them blasphemous as they claim that "God rested"...and according to their paedophile prophet....God doesn't require "rest".

Islam cannot coexist with Judaism, Chritianity, or other beliefs.............now it is your choice, to convert to Islam, or destroy it before it destroys your faith and traditions.

It looks like the Dutch are so open minded that their brains have fallen out. I think they may have lost their country.

Hi fiery celt. Where ya been hidin'?

#129 AmazonMom

(Nice nic !!!)

Nope, we will not go there and save their sorry asses.
They want, they get it, Eurabia Felix.

#171 KWH
Wow the Force is strong in you.

#192 AmazonMom

Save their sorry asses from whom? Their legislatures? Their citizens?

#192 Amazon Mom

20 years max.

Found another hilarious Fever Swamp
Go and observe the madness!

I find the head of that nearby mosque to be offensive and racist.

I think the Dutch authorities should sandblast him.

Now I know why Austin Power's father Nigel felt this way: "There are two things in this world I really can't stand; people who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the bloody Dutch."

the 10 commandments are indeed viewed as "offensive"

Wake up America! Same thing is happening here.

Tell your child to take a Christmas card to a friend this year at school or draw a picture of Jesus and watch what happens. But a 'Moooslem' can take their prayer rugs to school, etc.

(Sorry, chewing nails here as I read this thread.)

Muslims do not accept the 10 commandments, in fact, they find them blasphemous as they claim that "God rested"...and according to their paedophile prophet....God doesn't require "rest".

God does alot that is not required of Him. Being the Creator of the universe he doesn't have to care about people yet He does.

#204 continued -

And we will too. The day is coming when it will be too late for the Euro's to fix it themselves. About 5 years after that day they will wake up and beg for help - which we will provide.

I just hope we write the history of that fight in something very permanent and very large. Then make it a requirement that everyone born in Europe visit it every year or so.

During the early summer, Mr Kerry implored Mr McCain, the maverick Republican who ran against Mr Bush in the 2000 Republican primaries, to become his running-mate, meeting him seven times. He even offered to expand the vice-presidency to include running the Pentagon. “I can’t say this is an offer because I’ve got to be able to deny it,” Mr Kerry told Mr McCain. “But you’ve got to do this.”

Is it just me, or does this scare anyone else. Jaysus, what some people will do for power!

Here's the link to the article:

www.timesonline.co.uk...] target="_blank">

Blackeyed Pierce
It's that everything has an opposite reaction. Our founding fathers weren't dumb, if you read the constitution and bill of rights, they were quite knowledgeable, they knew what could happen if the constitution was ravaged thoughtlessly. I don't support an amendment to it unless there is 100% just cause. Most of our problems today come from NOT reading this document as it was written, proving anyone can twist words into almost anything to benefit their idealology. Why we need SCJ's that actually rule on what these documents state, not on what they,the world or the un says. Too bad the Constitution Party has no one with clout.

OT

Arafat's wife left out of will????

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

This is getting better than a soap.

oops... here's the link www.timesonline.co.uk...] target="_blank">

PIMF

lmao Patriot. one more try

#179, Beagle

I stand corrected. I'd only read the news blurb that Charles linked to. I should have had more information. I just wanted to give an alternative possibilty.

OT but good news, Barak to speak at COncordia

[Link: www.canada.com...]

Geepers,

I was actually working in some pretty remote areas w/o internet access or cell phone reception, for about 3 1/2 months.

Then when I finally returned home, I found a new registration system in place and the new registration disabled because of all the hoopla associated with cBS and Dan BlaTHer Memos.

I may be going to some more remote areas for nursing, some time soon.
How does bush nursing in Alaska sound.?..we'll see...

I would have liked to hear a comment from the person who actually owns the wall. I would assume that he/she gave the artist permission to paint the mural. If so, did the authorities destroy private property?

What are the laws in Holland say about that?

#212 KWH

Agreed. Constitution Party?

dustyroadguy: fox news reporting: troops staging and loading weapons and vehicles.....Falujaaaaaaaa.......TO NITE

Yes, a whole lot of people are going to get killed and horribly injured. US troops, civilians including women and children, a handful of 'foreign fighters', a large number of Iraqis fighting an invasion... You know what, dustyroadguy, you could join up! Then you could be there for all that excitment you clearly enjoy.

"Thou Shalt Not Kill"
-erased by Dutch authorities

Secular atheists in Holland disdain a Christian-tinged opposition to Islam. Okay, so what will the Dutch rally to? What's going to stiffen their spines to resist Islam? Is an instinct for self-preservation enough? Is that enough to prod the tired old men of Europe out of their spas and into battle against the Islamoids?

Blackeyed Pierce
Yep, there is such a party, I agreed with most of their thinking, not all. Google it.

#213 moonsbreath:

I hope that gets big play in the MSM. Most people aren't aware of how he's skimmed of hundreds of millions of dollars that should have gone to build schools and hospitals and basic services for "his people" {spit}.

OT: First Post-Election Captions

Warning: Profanity.

Regarding the Daily Mirror controversy, British troops killed yesterday, and the trans-Atlantic alliance:

So three British soldiers died north of Baghdad yesterday? Tough. Welcome to the war, Black Watch boys. No doubt in response to this 'tragedy' the British public will engage in an orgy of ersatz grief mongering. The British people will likely become even more viscerally anti-American. The BBC and Tony Blair's own Labour party will likely fan the flames of this anti-Americanism. How many Americans have been killed or maimed in this conflict thus far? How many Iraqis police and security forces? I learned yesterday that a friend of mine will likely be participating in the upcoming Marine assault on Fallujah. This in addition to the husbands of several of my co-workers who are also serving "over there". The trans-Atlantic alliance is alive, but comatose. Much like like 'President' Arafat. Might as well pull the plug on it.

#222 Elwin

a handful of 'foreign fighters', a large number of Iraqis fighting an invasion

Thanks for pointing that out. Elwin is right. Iraqi National Guard troops will be fighting along side the Marines in Fallujah, to drive out the invading terrorists.

Was there anything else?

OT!!!

According to Debka, quoting the French Press, Arafat died a few minutes ago!!!!

This goes to show us how we take our freedoms for granted and how the dems want to take them. By polluting our education system with "free thinkers", we now are turning out kids with this very same kind of thinking that will try to destroy our great country. Thank God we still have most of our freedoms left, let's all fight to keep those we have and regain those we've lost or are losing.

Keelie, do I ever know what you mean. I was having a conversation with someone who claimed the invasion of Iraq was a plot to allow Haliburton to steal the oil, rape the Iraqi people of all their resources, and then enslave them under corporate servitude to the free market system.

WTF???? Can someone translate that into plain English for a stupid PhD?

219 Cuchullain: I believe it was painted on the artist's own studio on top of another mural. Looking at the video the entire street had graffiti art murals. This is not about murals in general. It is about a mural that contained the highly offensive suggestion "thou shalt not kill."

#229 Keelie

Wait for it

/stuffy English major mode

Lets make sure, I aint busting out the Champagne yet after yesterday.

The trans-Atlantic alliance is alive, but comatose. Much like like 'President' Arafat.

Has anyone said, of Arafat, "Just like Gerald Ford," yet?

Elwin = sympathic prick

#229 Keelie

Le Monde and Figaro are still reporting vegetable status.

He died a day or two ago. They just won't unplug him until they figure out the money problem.

#231 - Judith

These people should be writing Harry Potter type books... They can slide from one inane sentence to the next without a blink.

I know my own IQ level, but it's based fundamentally (in my case) in the ability to think rationally... I just fold when irrational stuff hits me. (This is different from the "non-rational" stuff one sees in Zen. Don't go there...)

We drank our champagne last night. I personally feel they've been lying about his lingering. His grave condition was that he should be in the grave.
Now I'll go try to find confirmation.

#231 Judith

Yes, I think I can help ....

DUUUUH BUSHITLER HALLIBURTON DERRRRRR DUHHHH

Did that help at all?

:)

#233 - Kragar

[sulk] Oh - OK...

How does bush nursing in Alaska sound.?..

Like just the kind of scandal the DNC was praying for. Alas, too late.

#230 KWH

Indeed. I remember my Kindergarten teacher wondering why I was so concerned with getting the correct answer.

Dont get me wrong, I fully believe the Fish is an Ex-terrorist. I just want to make sure I got some confirmation in full before I go into full gloat mode.

fiery celt (#218),

How does bush nursing in Alaska sound.?..we'll see...

Probably pretty cool. :-)

Glad to hear you're well.

#243 - Kragar

Yup - I understand that. Went to see Naomi Ragen speaking last night and she filled me with energy and fire... Kind of topped me up.

"Hezzbolah Times #1 Best Seller"

[Link: ballousnews.blogspot.com...]

Elwin
Registered lizardoid since: 09/30/04 02:37:45 PM

No. of comments posted (since July 26, 2004): 59

and you should thank G-D for those that came before you and during your lifetime that have given their blood so that you can comfortably sit/stand or in your case kneel before you computer and type your missives.

I will politely suggest that there will be decidedly more jihadists, foreign fighters, terrorists, and Islamofacists dying during the conflict.....

hopefully the good guys will get enough of the bastards so they come INTO YOUR HOME and slit your throat....

have a good day!

Europe has tried to purge Christianity and Judaism from their countries, and look at the nastiness they have invited in! The liberals love the muslim influx because it is a slap in the face of Christianity.

Remember the borg? Muslims are the borg.

OT: Libs at it again:

Kerry Won

Kerry won. Here's the facts.

I know you don't want to hear it. You can't face one more hung chad. But I don't have a choice. As a journalist examining that messy sausage called American democracy, it's my job to tell you who got the most votes in the deciding states. Tuesday, in Ohio and New Mexico, it was John Kerry.
blockquote>

[Link: www.tompaine.com...]

243 Kragar

I just want to make sure I got some confirmation in full before I go into full gloat mode.

Too bad we don't have a blogger at the French military hospital.

OT here..........Here we go AGAIN with advice from the UN! [Link: www.reuters.com...] When will this dufus learn to butt out? Someone send him the results of the election, please.

BTW.... Fox news heard from the AP that it's ok now to call Iowa for Bush. [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Can we please celebrate some more?

4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS!
4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS!
4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS!
4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS!

ctrlL

We have got a bottle of Dom Perignon: Vintage 1995 awaiting confirmation of Arafat's death.

We purchased it well before Sept. 11th.
This will be the last bottle of French Champagne we will ever drink-

Probably posted before, but check the video here.

OT:

Kofi cake, STFU!

Annan Warns U.S., Britain, Iraq Against Falluja Raid

By Irwin Arieff

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Secretary-General Kofi Annan has warned the United States, Britain and Iraq that an assault on Falluja risked further alienating the Iraqi people and undermining planned January elections.

The warning, contained in letters dated last Sunday and obtained by Reuters on Friday, surfaced as U.S. troops urged civilians to flee the rebel-held city and launched air strikes in preparation for an assault aimed at crippling the insurgency before the elections.

Ah, Elwin is back. You want to gloat over those exit poll numbers again, Elwin?

#86 Elwin 11/2/2004 02:42PM PST
Latest from DRUDGE -- KERRY HAS BIG LEAD!!!!

Better get used to PRESIDENT KERRY.
Bush is going back to Crawford.

Tool.

Bye all! CRUSH THE TROLLS!!!!

The Dutch are demonstrating suicidal insanity.

s & d man

when is coffee anus out of the UN?

#250 tyrannical

Saw that yesterday at Indymedia, already getting ripped to shreds and the LLL are still wailing and gnashing teeth about it.

#222 - Elwin...

How do you know all this? You have a crystal ball? You have any ball?

#250 tyrannical

This story seems to be gladly ignoring that spoiled ballots are often discarded on purpose by the voter. For example when a voter makes a mistake and asks for a new ballot. I'm also not clear how they can tell the race of the person who cast the ballot. My ballot didn't ask my race.

OT - Students Won't Leave Until GOP Answers

From the loony city of Boulder, Colorado:

BOULDER, Colo. — About 85 students remained holed up inside the library at Boulder High School (search) early Friday, saying they're concerned about the direction the country is headed and refusing to leave until they've met with leaders from the Republican Party.

262 Mormon Doc

I'm also not clear how they can tell the race of the person who cast the ballot. My ballot didn't ask my race.

Silly, only stupid white men would vote for Bush. Michael Moore taught them that.

I think the fact that ELWIN continues to come to this forum is a cry for help or an attempt to reach out.

Elwin, if you want to be a conservative we will accept you gladly. At least I will. I shouldn't speak for others.

It's OK that you have been a liberal. We've all been wrong about stuff before.

This is not sarcasm...seriously. Just acknowledge mistakes of the past and move forward.

#253 - Fiery Celt

If you're a Glasgow-style Fiery Celt I'm sure it won't be the last drink... Come to think of it, with any kind of Fiery Celt, it's never the last drink.

[I feel as if I've been smoking something. Apologies for veering way OT]

OT, but Concordia University has relented and has invited Ehud Barak to speak on campus.

However, Concordia's campus building must be 'fortified' first.

I really don't know what to say to that. Brain cramp, I guess.

Concordia will invite Barak

#265 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

DANG! I always forget that.

I just checked the French version of Google News -- no change on Arafat "brain-dead" or "comatose" status.

Basically, I think he's just being kept alive mechanically until all his cronies can drain as much as possible of his pilfered $6.5 billion using his secret bank codes. There are probably dozens of Palestinians racing around Switzerland at this very moment.

That is nice; they are begging OBL not to attack their area..... And they are SO SORRY that we are not bowing at the altar off the UN.

They have the French salute down well.

123 Quodlibetarian
OT:

[Link: www.sorryeverybody.com...]

The DemoDhimmis are at it again...

P.S. And they are being inundated with hate mail…. ah…. poor little LLL.

#216 schaffman

My anger is not directed at you. I am angry at the dhimmification of Western civilization on a daily basis. This example is particularly egregious. I'm even more concerned about our governments leaving us to the Islamic lions as human sacrifices on the altar of the PC religion of moral equivalence.

If Islam was a religion instead of a socio-political system based on sharia and theocracy I might think the governments have a reason for their actions. Instead I sense a belief that this problem can be wished, educated, spent, and appeased away. That would be nice. But I'm afraid there is much more blood to be spilled. We can spill less now, or more later.

The Dutch appear to be doomed. I seem to be more unhappy about that than their police.

Does this mean that anyone who blames any death on America or Israel (even if it was not deliberate or had nothing to do with the US or Israel) is a racist?/forgetting the double standards, hypocrisy, and absolute lack of reason of the left

#232 Weasel Hunter

I understand what its all about. I was just curious if the wall's owner had any legal recourse to this nonsense.

I hope that it gets repainted. This time 'Thou shall not Murder'

Since it has been corrected repeatedly... =)

I am so sick of people of the world being "PC".

Islam=religion of genocide

OT; Very revealing article about Suha Arafart.

Suha: controversial but loyal supporter of husband Arafat

"When I complain of being neglected, he offers me souvenirs and symbols of the Palestinian revolution," she said in a rare interview.

Despite once saying she had "married a myth", Suha never displayed anything less than fierce loyalty to Arafat's dream of a Palestinian state.

For all her Western ways and education, she has said there would have been "no greater honour" than sacrificing any son of hers to the struggle and has backed suicide operations.

Hailing Hillary Clinton as the first lady she most admired, Suha embarrassed the former US president's wife at a West Bank function by launching a tirade against Israel for upping cancer rates in the Palestinian areas. A senior Palestinian official was forced to apologise to Washington.

Can you say moonbat?

micheal "manatee" moore offers reasons not to "slit your wrists."

Send him a rebuttal!

Please find below examples of Sunni Sharia law from the Shafi'i school of Islamic law. There are three other major schools of Sunni Islamic law, the Hanafi, Maliki and Hanbali. About 75 percent of the legal pronouncements of the above-mentioned schools are identical. A Sunni Muslim can choose to follow any one of the schools. They do differ in some major aspects however. For instance, the Shafi'i school mandates female circumcision (The Shafi'i school could be chosen to be followed by a Sunni Muslim anywhere; it is followed by a majority of Muslims in Egypt).

The below-mentioned examples have been excerpted from the Umdat al-Salik (the Reliance of the Traveller)which is a classic manual of Islamic law; a representative of the famous Islamic University of al-Azhar has certified that the "... translation [of the Umdat al-Salik] corresponds to the Arabic original and conforms to the practice and faith of the orthodox Sunni Community (Ahl al-Sunna was al-Jama'a)." (p. xx, The Reliance of the Traveller, Beltsville Maryland: Amana Publications, 1994)

I post these examples only to introduce non-Muslims to the objective facts regarding Islamic law; if any Muslim reading this finds it troubling to have their own legal system publicly revealed then I suggest that they ask themselves why they find it troubling.

The complete legal clauses and references for the Sharia law examples below, together with an explanatory article, are available at the following web address:

[Link: boston.indymedia.org...]

1. Offensive, military jihad against non-Muslims is a communal, religious obligation;
2. A person who is ignorant about Islamic legal opinion must follow the legal opinion of a scholar;
3. The penalty for a Muslim apostate (someone who no longer believes in or no longer follows the tenets of Islam) is death;
4. When slaughtering animals for food, a knife must be used to cut the windpipe and gullet;
5. A woman is only eligible to receive half the inheritance of a man;
6. Marriage may be forced on virgins by their father or father’s father;
7. A non-Arab man may not marry an Arab woman;
8. A woman must seek permission from her husband to leave the house;
9. A Muslim man cannot marry a woman who is a Zoroastrian, an idol worshipper, an apostate from Islam or a woman with one parent who is Jewish or Christian, with the other being Zoroastrian; a Muslim woman cannot marry anyone but a Muslim;
10. A free Muslim man may marry up to four women;
11. Retaliation is obligatory in most cases when someone is deliberately murdered except when a Muslim kills a non-Muslim, a Jew or a Christian kills a Muslim apostate or a father or mother kill their offspring;
12. Non-Muslim subjects (Ahl al-Dhimma) of a Muslim state are subject to a series of discriminatory laws – “dhimmitude”;
13. The penalty for fornication or sodomy is being stoned to death;
14. The penalty for an initial theft is amputation of the right hand. Subsequent thefts are penalized by further amputations of feet and hand;
15. A non-Muslim cannot testify against a Muslim in court; a person who is “without respectability” cannot give legal testimony; a woman’s legal testimony is only given half the legal weight of a man’s (and is only acceptable in cases involving property); to legally prove fornication or sodomy requires 4 male witnesses who actually saw the act;
16. The establishment and continuation of the Islamic Caliphate (by force, if necessary) is a communal obligation;
17. Sodomites and Lesbians must be killed;
18. Laughing too much is forbidden;
19. Musical instruments are unlawful;
20. Creating pictures of animate life is forbidden;
21. Female circumcision, which includes the excision of the clitoris, is obligatory;
22. Slavery is permitted;
23. People may be bribed to convert to Islam;
24. Beating a rebellious wife is permissible; and,
25. Lying is permissible in a time of war (or jihad).

Anyone want a piece of this guy:

BTW, Israel has no right to exist until the coming of their Messiah. It says so in the Torah.

Not up to date on my Torah (considering I'm agnostic), but would dearly love to blow this guy out of the water.