Sick f*ck.

I have not seen one reference yet to the Van Gogh murder anywhere on TV. Thank goodness for blogs.

And expressing fear and/or outrage over murder perpetrated in the name of the Islamic religion = "racist."

Note that he only brings up the Iraq war as a fig-leaf to justify his already-held views.

Interviewer: So the murder was in fact a just act?

Third man: That’s my opinion. Not everybody’s opinion, but that’s my opinion. It is just.

Moral relativism at its' finest - or rather, its' basest.

But never mind that! It's the Jesus freaks in America who are the biggest threat to the world!!!

/EUnik LLL

They keep this shit up and they'll find killing - of them - will become normal.

These are the kinds of things that the LLL's can't understand. Thanks Charles for this site to keep reminding us.

I thank God that Bush was elected. Now we need to support the Marines going into Fallujah. I just hope we have secured the boundaries, so no one escapes.

Muslim immigration to the US must be banned completely and all Muslim non-citizens deported. We must not suffer the fate of Europe.

The futility of reasoning with such thinking is beyond anyone without Red State Mentality.

"All points of view are equal and valid. We can discuss this like civilized people. I mean, we're all adults here, right? Double macchiato, please." Indigo Jones

/

Murder is normal, huh?

Somebody wants to join me for a week-end in a [bigoted word] neighborhood in Amsterdam?

Integration is not going well.
The euro elites don't see that everyone doesn't share their no-religion/no-question/socialist utopia.
How can you demand people integrate into a free society?

#12 Mr Pol
Retroactive abortion?

#14 reaganite

Absolutely. I'm going to disguise myself as a pro-choice LLL :-)

Van Gogh's murder is being discussed on some of the Islamic forums and the going opinion is just as this person's .. 'a just act or just an act' .. followed with Israel did this, the US did that, Iraqi freedom fighters, etc., etc.

Such circular reasoning. Don't they ever get dizzy? Sick, sick, sick. And we want to welcome these people to our colleges and cities? I say, think again.

Murder is normal.

Mohammad said it, I believe it, that settles it.

I have not seen one reference yet to the Van Gogh murder anywhere on TV.

I've noticed that too, rastajenk. The only time I see coverage of Europe on one of the Big 3 networks is when they're doing "man on the street" interviews about how horrible Bush is.

To watch the networks, you'd think the only problem Euros have is that their dumb American cousins elected a warmongering cowboy. Otherwise, life is just peaches and cream in EUland.

hey kids can you say murder is normal? mr rogersawii can, and god wants you to kill, he said so, in this comprehensive book called the koran.

ok sing along with me kids dont love your nieghbor, do what god wants, kill him instead.

lalaalalala kill lalala its beutiful day in the nieghborhood kill the infidel.

Again, more visible explanation as to why Islam is the fastest-growing religion...in prison.

Well, you heard it here folks. Murder is normal. So, if some moonbat or Muslim makes you mad, just gut or shoot him...of course:

That’s my opinion. Not everybody’s opinion, but that’s my opinion. It is just.

/deadpan (plz dont murder anybody except yummy yummy animals)

#15 Mr Pol
Honestly, I wish there was a way to separate the wheat from the chaff with the assholes.

People get edown on LGF for being 'racist'. It has probably cost Charles a good deal of money is advertising he had lost or hasn't gotten. LGF readers aren't racist. They're just reacting in a normal healthy way to people who are at war with them. It is okay to get angry when someone threatens you. It is okay to get angry when someone hates you.

No that I'm not a liberal, I no longer have to like people who hate me.

#22 reaganite

Honestly, I wish there was a way to separate the wheat from the chaff with the assholes.

There is. The righteous, non-violent muslims are massively marching against violence, terrorism and murder every day.

#24 Mr Pol

There is. The righteous, non-violent muslims are massively marching against violence, terrorism and murder every day.

I'll grant you that with one caveat. Many of them leave Islam once they learn.

It’s very self-evident. He had his freedom of speech, but he has never tried to start a discussion or debate. He called Muslims goat f-ckers. He received all attention to express that Muslims...

Maybe if you respond to his movies by countering it with reasonable arguements?

What do the Americans do to the Iraqis? Did the Iraqis ask for that?

We got rid of Uday, Qusay, and Saddam. Most of them wanted it, but if they spoke out, they would have been tortured by their government. Now they have free speech.

OT:

Not sure what to make of this, from DEBKA:

DEBKAfile’s Exclusive Sources: Libyan ruler Qaddafi determined to attend every stage of Arafat’s funeral ceremony – even if it entails landing at Israel’s Ben Gurion airport to an Israeli welcome. This would make him the first Arab leader to touch down in Israel in 25 years since Sadat’s epic peace pilgrimage.

#25 reaganite

I'll grant you that with one caveat. Many of them leave Islam once they learn.

...and hide and move as far as they can from muslim neighborhoods, if they wish to stay alive.

#27 bigel
I thought you promised to "tone it down"?

I was talking a client yesterday about the murder and she hadn't heard of it either. BTW, she's a Dem and she voted for Bush too.

I love it when the Muzholes open their mouths and the occasional truth comes out.

Is there anywhere in Europe that has a Second Amendment? Anyone know about that?

And yes, #9 packsoldier, we must stop welcoming likely enemies into our country. It's nuts.

Why wouldn’t murder be normal? What happens in Iraq? What do the Americans do to the Iraqis? Did the Iraqis ask for that?

Classic deflection, must be reading the democraps handbook. Has to answer with a deflecting question. Face it, this is exactly what were against, natural born killers.

#29 Mr Pol

...and hide and move as far as they can from muslim neighborhoods, if they wish to stay alive.

One day I hope the opposite will be true.

I thought you were told to stop acting as a self-appointed enforcer.

When was this?

#30 reaganite

The European Union, the bunch of 'crats who want to force communism and islam on the people living in Europe, might not approve of killing Jews, but is funding organizations whose only goal is to kill Jews.

Is there anywhere in Europe that has a Second Amendment? Anyone know about that?

I suppose Switzerland sort of qualifies. Most able bodied males are members of the reserve military are are required to keep their weapons at home with them.

#34 bigel

Be nice.

#36 steve miller

Huh... I don't think we want to go there.

#34 bigel

Oh, and BTW, I thought you were told to stop acting as a self-appointed enforcer.

What? One of your irrational supporters? LOL.

BTW, Charles has never asked me to "tone it down", let alone 3 times.

I see what your word is worth.

Mr. Pol -
noted

If murder is normal, then someone should tell the bastard they'll murder his wife and five children and see his reaction then. I'm certain he would just shrug it off, since "murder is normal." NOT!

I'll always get a kick out of the completely irrational Muslim reasoning: the Americans are killing Muslims, so we can kill [insert nationality]s!" All that this so-called reasoning reveals is that the greater Muslim horde has already chosen its sides: Ummah vs. World.

The jihad is on, facing the war against terrorism. Soon, no more jihad. Will their still be an ummah? Let's hope not.

#32 Brenda

The European Convention on Human Rights

However, EU judges found in one case that freedom of speech is not guaranteed if you are an EU employee. Just such an employee lost their job because they were critical of the EU.

#37 Mr Pol
I've never said there wasn't a huge problem. And I agree something needs to be done. But as usual I will never condemn them all for the actions of some.

When I hear about stuff like this it makes me think that it's hopeless to win these people over. The utopian idea that they'll come around if they just knew the truth is a fantasy, isn't it?

How many hearts and minds do you think we can win over? We are accomplishing this in Iraq, I hope. A taste of freedom there will make a difference.

But when you have folks like this who emigrate, get a taste of freedom and they still think like wacko's, what do we do?

Or is it that he emigrated to LLLand and no that's what made the difference in this situation.

/end of stream of consciousness...

Islam = Cancer

Ann Coulter was right. "Kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity".

Heck, ANY other religion would be just peachy with me.

I wonder how many ex-Muslims would choose atheism? Seems like many would. Hmmm.

#27 bigel
I thought you promised to "tone it down"?

That *is* toned down. I'm watching Blair's campaign against Israel as it unfolds, and the more I see, the more I agree with Bigel.

Have you noticed that our movie star heroes in this country are men of few words? Charles Bronson, Clint Eastwood, Arnold, John Wayne. I'm sooo glad we have a president who knows when it's time to stop talking. And start taking action.

Liberals pansies like Kerry never declare an enemy, because once you declare who the enemy is, you must engage them. So they talk on and on.

It's too late for Holland to want to retain their native culture vis-a-vis the infestation of Islam. Mosques blight the landscape. Isn't it interesting that when a country tries to purge Christianity and Judaism from its national identity, something much, much worse takes its place?

#45 reaganite

The average Eurocrat is probably more fanatical than the average Muslim...

O/T and apologies, but it looks like the operation to clean out the rats' nest in Fallujah has _finally_ begun (though this may be only a warm-up operation to secure key targets before the hammer really comes down). NYT says the city's main hospital has already been seized by a combination of U.S. special forces and the Iraqi Army's 36th Battalion.

Imagine if the media was as biased against Islam as it is towards Americans, Israelis, and conservatives. Like if some magazine or newpaper had a picture of Mohammed with the caption, "How can 1 Million People (or however many Muslims there are) Be So Dumb?". How long before a fatwa was declared? Of course in most countries the editor would probably be charged with "hate speech" violations.

#41 bigel

Come on, Mr Pol, The EU lives for killing Jews. Why do you think they're helping Iran to build the bomb?

We already went there. IMO it is a mean to an end, not their goal. What the EU wants is to force communism, and be sure 'crats keep their power over people. Embracing islam and financing killing Jews furthers this goal.

Got another one in France

OT!!!

My home town was just on Fox News!

There was an earthquake nearby. WOW. My home town is NEVER on national news.

/amazement off

#3 rastajenk

I'm pretty sure I saw this mentioned on Fox (I was doing three things at the time, so not positive).

Dutch Muslim: "Murder is Normal"
To Dutch Muslims: "Your murder will be normal!"

#46 Bernadette

IMHO it's that these people immigrated yet retained the belief systems and lifestyles of their oppressive homeland.

They didn't immigrate to get away from their dictators and confining culture, they immigrated to reap the free fringe benefits of being a diverse cultural minority in a liberal society.

I'd like to see statistics on this type of behavior from Muslim immigrants who left their countries to escape oppression and to make better lives for themselves.

However, EU judges found in one case that freedom of speech is not guaranteed if you are an EU employee. Just such an employee lost their job because they were critical of the EU.

Everyone here remember that in Europe when it comes to any rights be they what we call the 1st 2nd, or any other Amendments, only are in place because of legislation, or parlamentary precident, and are "granted" by the government. Only ours are God given and therefore supercede government. That is what seperates us from the Europeans. Though they maintain a certain level of freedom, (nutty as they are) any freedom they may have is only as secure as the next legislative or bureaucratic fiat.

#52 Colt

The average Eurocrat is probably more fanatical than the average Muslim...

Against whom? The US?

As I said, there is a huge problem. Not a 100% problem.

bigel and reaganite

All carping and harping aside, it's nice to have BOTH of you back.

#45 reaganite

I've never said there wasn't a huge problem. And I agree something needs to be done. But as usual I will never condemn them all for the actions of some.

Scroll up and read again. The EU, the institution, is totally corrupt and must be condemned as a whole. Kind of like the USSR twenty years ago. Which says nothing about any Russian.

#51:

"Isn't it interesting that when a country tries to purge Christianity and Judaism from its national identity, something much, much worse takes its place? "

Sad, but oh so true. The last 90 years of Europe are a testament to that, from Fascism, godless Communism, Western European Socialism, Scandanavian Paternalism, Post-Modernism, Nihilism, the "Green Movement"...

I'm not even religious--agnostic at best.

Please notice the "I'm married to a Dutch woman myself" line. Stupid western women - fall for I love you and then churn out a batch of little "moderate Muslims"
(contradiction in terms).

#61 reaganite

No. In favour of enslaving Europe increasing the reach of the new European state.

#61 reaganite

As I said, there is a huge problem. Not a 100% problem.

Not 100% of the 'crats, but 100% of the EU. At least.

#65:

Good point. What is worrisome are the non-Muslim women who marry these turds.

Have you noticed that our movie star heroes in this country are men of few words? Charles Bronson, Clint Eastwood, Arnold, John Wayne.

Maybe this is why I've always liked Capt. Kirk over Jean Luc Picard...

They didn't immigrate to get away from their dictators and confining culture, they immigrated to reap the free fringe benefits of being a diverse cultural minority in a liberal society.

Exactly. The internet and papers are full of these people only want to get passage to the US. They have NO interest of fitting in, they want to continue their lifestyle as well as religious(terroist) beliefs here. They want to make America as the country they just left. And, they use our own Constitution against us. Someone recently said they were the Borg, I agree, they want to assimilate, not integrate. People better start waking up out of their stupor and realize this.

#62 papijoe
Thanks.

#63 Mr Pol
You misunderstood what I was saying. I agree about the EU. Not the people under their grasp.

#69: Beblebrox

Maybe this is why I've always liked Capt. Kirk over Jean Luc Picard...

Actually, a better model is Captain Benjamin Sisko. He was even quicker to use force, and fought a long nasty war against an enemy that closely resembles the Islamofascist menace.

#59 Sarah D.

these people immigrated yet retained the belief systems and lifestyles of their oppressive homeland

Agree. Early immigrants to the US assimilated into the culture. The old melting pot vs. stew which is what we have today. We cling to the notion of diversity. Then what you get are the peas, carrots and potatoes fighting with the roast beef (stew analogy if anyone didn't get it)

#66 Colt
Which is really a thrust against the US.

If you try to insult their mother, then this reaction is very normal.

I read that to mean that saying bad things about his wife gives "third man"--in his mind--the right to murder the person saying those things. As much as the LLL want to discuss the equal validity of all cultures, blah blah blah, is there any liberal with an ounce of intellectual honesty who will say that a culture can be civilized and also condone killing someone for saying unpopular things?

Hell, they won't even call a culture civilized if it executes child-murderers, even after exhaustive taxpayer-funded defense is provided during a lengthy trial and appeal process. So, I'm sure the liberals will be jumping all over this, pointing out how these attacks by European Muslims produce a "chilling effect" on free speech.

(Crickets)

#70 - I agree

#59 Sarah D.

They didn't immigrate to get away from their dictators and confining culture, they immigrated to reap the free fringe benefits of being a diverse cultural minority in a liberal society.

That is true for the most recent waves of immigration, totally wrong for those who immigrated before 1960. A positive sign: their children's first names are not Arabic.

#67 Mr Pol

Not 100% of the 'crats, but 100% of the EU. At least.

You live under the thumb of the EU. I count you as one of the good guys. I'd be willing to bet you're not the only one...

#72 reaganite

You misunderstood what I was saying. I agree about the EU. Not the people under their grasp.

Wonderful. Now read #27 again: you just agreed with bigel. :-)

#73 Vortec

I could never seem to get into DS9, but from the episodes I've seen I would tend to agree.

Imagine the outcry that would resonate if someone murdered that "artist" who dipped a crucifix in a jar of urine. Yet not a peep when it's muslims who go so totally off the deep end ...

Saudi call for jihad

A group of Saudi religious scholars have signed an open letter urging Iraqis to support jihad against US-led forces.

"Fighting the occupiers is a duty for all those who are able," they said in a statement posted on the internet at the weekend. "Resistance is a legitimate right. A Muslim must not inflict harm on any resistance man or inform about them. Instead, they should be supported and protected."

Remember, Islam is a religion of peace.

There are clearly many examples of recent immigrants who have assimilated and fully adopted the American ideals and way of life. One prominent example are the million or so Vietnamese refugees who relocated to the U.S. If there was any 'group' that had any 'grievance' about what might have happened in their country, they do.

But they're hard working, and very patriotic. You never have to worry about one boarding the plane you're on, or walking down the street at night.

If this hasn't been posted, crawler line on Fox is reporting that "several" mosques in the Netherlands have been torched.

#73 Vortec

You know, I always thought DS9 was one of the better, if not the best, Star Trek show they came out with. Better than Voyager and TNG, and up there with the original.

And Sisko was definitely one of the highlights.

#79 reaganite

You live under the thumb of the EU. I count you as one of the good guys. I'd be willing to bet you're not the only one...

So? The USSR was corrupt as a whole, and 100% of it had to fall. Note how I'm not saying there was anything wrong with the Russians. And the Red Army was the enemy. The Jewish former Spetznatz that made aliyah after the fall of the USSR are more than friends - they're family.

The most absurd examples of moral relativism always to justify Islamofascism.

Like this journalist/author (think it was Seymour Hersh) who appeared on CNN. He justified the executions by decapitation of Westerners as no worse than the degradation of Arabs for parading women's underwear at Abu Ghraib prison. He thought they were pretty much equivalent forms of punishment.

I've actually had my share of run-ins with Muslims in Amsterdam. A couple of them had set up a crooked 3-card monte scam on Prinsengracht and were ripping off naive Hollanders with the ol' switcheroo ploy (i.e. make the right card easy to guess; then when the sucker reaches into his pocket for the cash to bet, and his attention is distracted for a moment, switch the cards after he's chosen one.) Only idiots in the US lose their money to shysters at 3-card monte, and I just couldn't stand watching any more. I informed one of the suckers, for all to hear, how he was being ripped off (he kept doing it over and over, unable to figure out why he was losing). Well, when I did that, two of the dealer's cohorts who were in the crowd violently pushed me away and said threats to me in a language I didn't understand (probably Arabic). None of the many Dutch bystanders came to my rescue.

Another incident happened with hash dealers in the red-light district. I made the mistake of walking through the area alone at dusk. They approached me and tried to force me to buy hash from them, even though I was not in the market for anything like that. When I said no, and insisted no, things got of hand. I felt they were going to mug me or kidnap me or kill me at any moment, when some passersby interrupted the scene and I was able to make my getaway.

Also had unpleasant scenes with Arab fences selling stolen goods at the Leidesplein flea market.

There is a class of "old-time" Muslims who have been in the Netherlands for decades, and who run restaurants, shops, etc. They're not the problem. The problem is the younger, newer arrivals, and the slum-dwellers.

I know this is just anecdotal, but I thought I'd toss in my 2¢.

Beblebrox:

If you start from Season 3 and go from there, you might really enjoy yourself. Some of the best interstellar space battles ever fought---big screen or small---were on DS9.

I have not seen one reference yet to the Van Gogh murder anywhere on TV..

I saw it on the "crawl" on FNC about an hour ago. No commentary, though

#78 Mr Pol

I meant recent. As Bernadette stated in #74, the immigrants to my country used to come here and melt into the melting pot. There were no "fringe" benefits other than the opportunity to work hard and achieve.

New immigrants (not all) do not have the same motivation.

Where are the "moderate" Muslims that we keep hearing about who, allegedly, don't believe in the murder and mayhem of "radical Islam"?! Shouldn't THEY be the first ones to be speaking out -- and ACTING -- to reign in the extremists who are apparently hijacking their religion. I get the feeling that they really don't mind all that much; they offer some tepid "condemnation" of the atrocities -- and (I'm guessing) secretly derive some sort of sick satisfaction from the turmoil it creates. We've been very careful not to make this a "holy war", going after all of Islam -- because we have accepted on face value that the true beliefs of Islam really aren't the radical version that continues to manifest itself -- but I'm scratching my head wondering just when we're going to hear from mainstream Muslims that they will no longer accept this heresy by the radical elements of the Muslim world. Where ARE you peaceful Muslims in all of this?!

#82 leadhead

There was quite a public outcry at Pi** Christ, but could you imagine Islamofacist reaction if, say, the name of Allah were to immersed into a jar of urine? I think we can all assume that it would be more than a public protest.

In Germany the news of Theo Van Gogh's Slaughter has resulted in two major reports on the major TV channels at prime time tonight alone. It has been in the news here and may be around a while.

One interviewer asked a Muslim in Amsterdam about the feelings Muslims have about the murder and the Muslim went crazy saying "What is right, what is wrong, left or right, everything is relevant...Go to Egypt to see how we feel...(?)" They pushed the camera away, and defended the act.

The German reporter in a voice -over said, "We don't have to go to Egypt...".

The Muslims here are belligerant, cocky and apparently without fear at all.

#90 zombie

There is a class of "old-time" Muslims who have been in the Netherlands for decades, and who run restaurants, shops, etc. They're not the problem. The problem is the younger, newer arrivals, and the slum-dwellers.

Funny, how the old-timers' children are not the problem either - and have Dutch first names.

It's not surprising that many of these creeps have been born in the west. Immigration is very stressful, families are ripped apart by differing amounts of assimilation, and identity issues are even tougher for little Muzzlies than it was for us as teens.

So they become more Muzzish (or more Mexican, as we see here in CA) and get drawn into to the evil mosque scene. Ugly but predictable.

#88 Mr Pol
We're arguing ourselves into circles. We're saying the same thing. We're just using the wrong terms.

daNightman:

It's observations like that that really makes me love being on LGF.

#12 Mr Pol

Somebody wants to join me for a week-end in a [bigoted word] neighborhood in Amsterdam?

I'm game. Drop me an email.

#91 Vortec

I may have to just do that. I know SpikeTV has them now. I may have to dig out the old VCR (remember those?)

#99 reaganite

Of course, if the EU had been honest and called itself 'commie would-be enslavers of all people living in Europe, any of its former colonies, and anybody worldwide who can't resist', we wouldn't have trouble separating the institution from the people...

The German reporter in a voice -over said, "We don't have to go to Egypt...".

Sounds like someone is going to get fired and charged with "hate speech."

OT

I am famous!!! LOL My list of reasons Michael Moore should kill himself made it to Powerline!!!

1. George Bush WON.

2. George Bush WON.

3. George Bush WON…….I think you get my point.

4. You realize that the next Democrat nominee that hopes to win the presidential election is sure to obtain a Restraining Order against you.

5. Your anticipated appointment as Propaganda Minister may now be in a European country, rather than the United States, a much longer round trip for those late night Krispy Kreme runs.

6. Even though you HATE Texas, you still only have one Kinko’s you can really rely on.

7. The DNC commercials showing YOU windsurfing will never finish production.

8. The 1200 cameras you provided to intimidate voters at polls were instead taken by the "Vote or Die" volunteers you gave them to, who instead taped the Frat Parties and Homemade "Girls Gone Wild" videos, causing them to oversleep on election day.

9. You finally want to change underwear, and now realize you gave all of yours away for nothing.

10. Bruce Springsteen won't return your calls.

11. Whoopi Goldberg does return your calls.

12. Your villa in Fallujah was just blown up and you don’t have Iraqi homeowner's insurance.

13. The "thank You" letter for your contribution to this year’s election just arrived in the mail…..signed by Karl Rove.

14. The promise you received that Stem Cell research would make you more attractive to women has been fading fast.

15. Your latest film failed to sway voters to Kerry, but on the brighter side, Osama did follow your script.

16. You just realized that a "Puppet Show" has become more credible than your "documentary."

If this won't do it, nothing will. We're closing the competition and declaring all readers who answered the call winnners.

The one he ommitted was :

You have just found out John Edwards is planning to sue you for referring his wife to your dietician...

I suppose I can understand the sensitive issue there...

Beblebrox:

DS9's writers knew that it wasn't going to get the stellar ratings and broad-based appeal that TNG or even Voyager did, so most of its storylines were very interconnected, with unusual emphasis on caharacter development. They knew they had a devote 'core' following that was going to ride it out for all 7 seasons. If you start off with the last episode of Season 2, "The Jem'Hadar", it will keep you glued all the way until the very end of the show.

#95 beblebrox

I would gladly make a "mohammed wallowing in shit" "art" exhibit, but I don't think I can afford a team of bodyguards...

#104 Mr Pol

we wouldn't have trouble separating the institution from the people...

But it is something that must be done, as vile as the EU is.

#3 rastajenk

I have not seen one reference yet to the Van Gogh murder anywhere on TV. Thank goodness for blogs.

The reason you haven't seen it on TV is because the news media does not want to offend the muslims.

Recently, the AP or Reuters (don't remember which) told their reporters not to use the word "terrorist" because it offended muslims and it would endanger the life of the reporter. FACT.

scary stuff...

Mr . Pol

Make that two.

#109 reaganite

Instead of claiming I'm doing exactly that, I'm going to point out there are still a lot of people living in France... :-)

General Gives Pre-Combat Speech

"If I see someone who looks like a martyr, driving at high speed toward my unit, I'll send him to Allah before he gets close," Ramos said.

Looks as if someone is ready to clean up Fallujah.

reaganite:

I'm glad ur back :-)

Q: What do you get when you mix Euro-pee-on existentialism & nihilism with Islam?

A: Corpses

Come to think of it, that's what you'd get when either mix or don't mix Islam with anything.

Good thing marijuana is legal in The Netherlands. They need it now for medicinal purposes while the cancer of Islam continues to devour the flesh of their once great nation.

#113 Mr Pol

I'm going to point out there are still a lot of people living in France... :-)

Yes sir, there are. Again we're arguing the same point!

He called Muslims "goat-fuckers" therefore he deserves to die?

Thank God NZers aren't that touchy... :-)

#115 Isobella
Thank you.

Ah, New Zealand...where men are men and the sheep are nervous.

Islam Online: Paris Notifies Palestinians of Arafat’s Death: Sources

By Abdul Raheem Ali, IOL Staff

CAIRO, November 7 (IslamOnline.net) - Doctors in the French military hospital of Piercy have told Palestinian President Yasser Arafat’s wife and officials accompanying him that the veteran leader had passed away, well-placed Palestinian sources told IslamOnline.net on Sunday, November 7.

The French doctors also notified the Palestinian Authority that life-support systems Arafat is being kept on are absolutely useless, the sources said in exclusive statements.

They added that officials from the PA and Fatah, Arafat’s mainstream movement, have asked the French to keep the news under wraps and give them 36 hours to arrange the home front.

The sources further said that Suha Arafat has agreed to give Fatah Central Committee the final say as to when the life-support systems should be taken off and Arafat’s death officially announced.

The Jihadis say he's dead.

Blackhorse (#110)

Recently, the AP or Reuters (don't remember which) told their reporters not to use the word "terrorist" because it offended muslims and it would endanger the life of the reporter. FACT.

That is not the only reason why reporters don't use the word terrorist. Some of them are very sympathetic to the terrorists' "cause".

Never use the word terrorist or terrorism in describing Palestinian gunmen and militants; people consider them heroes of the conflict and ideals.

#95 Beblebrox

Well, freedom of speech can be really irritating. I didn't hear about the (was it a documentary?) film by Van Gogh until I heard about his demise. I guess there's a real firestorm in the muslim community about it.

As to the Pi** Christ exhibit, I bet there were many who wished that "artist" would be struck by lightning (me one of them), but as a Christian, I could never bring my self to see the justice in murdering that person just because their message is so very misguided.

#114 trespasser

"If I see someone who looks like a martyr, driving at high speed toward my unit, I'll send him to Allah before he gets close," Ramos said.

Before PC contaminated the USMC, he would have sent the martyr to hell.

Murder is normal. Why wouldn’t murder be normal? What happens in Iraq? What do the Americans do to the Iraqis? Did the Iraqis ask for that? That’s murder as well, and everone has accepted that. Everyone thinks that’s ‘deadly normal’.

Has he talked to the Iraqis? The threat of, and REALITY of, MASS GRAVES was what was normal! What the American's are doing to the Iraqis is giving them hope and freedom. Training them to defend themselves.

If the US was just interested in killing Iraqis- they would have no police, no army, and cities like Falluja would be glass.

Thanks for playing- next question?

#117 reaganite

I mean I haven't killed 'em all. Yet.

I believe that awareness of Muslim radicalism is on the rise in Europe. It's interesting to watch "cultural programs" on German TV. Muslims don't get a pass here anymore.. especially the suppression of women is clearly covered. Also I noticed that the Iraqi "insurgents" don't get sympathies (except in extreme leftist publications).

I hope Fallujah can be liberated without major loss of innocent civilian lives. Most people are held hostages there by radical/terrorist elements. I pray that the storming of Fallujah has been well prepared.

It's absolutely necessary though.

#86 elcid

Arsonists target mosques
From correspondents in The Hague
November 08, 2004
THREE mosques in the Netherlands were targeted in failed arson attempts at the weekend, the ANP news agency reported, as tensions ran high after the brutal killing of a controversial filmmaker by a suspected radical Islamist.

Police arrested three suspects as they tried to set fire to the An-Nasr mosque in the western town of Huizen on Friday night, police were quoted as saying.

Unidentified suspects also attempted to set fire to a mosque in Breda in the south, although the fire had petered out by the time police reached the scene.

In Rotterdam, a palette was leaned up against the door of the Mevlana mosque and set alight, but the fire failed to spread. Pig heads and a placard with insulting slogans were nailed to the door of another mosque in the port city.

Vandals also daubed red paint over a Moroccan associative building in Amsterdam at the weekend.
[Link: www.theaustralian.news.com.au...]

#121:

The French doctors also notified the Palestinian Authority that life-support systems Arafat is being kept on are absolutely useless, the sources said in exclusive statements.

You mean the entire Fwench medical system is useless. Well, he's with 'Allah' (spit) now...

#124:

Mr Pol:

Before PC contaminated the USMC, he would have sent the martyr to hell.

Where do you think Allah resides?

#122 zulubaby

That is not the only reason why reporters don't use the word terrorist. Some of them are very sympathetic to the terrorists' "cause".

I believe that to be a fact as well. Thanks for the addition to that post.

STFU Bigel. You are an uncouth slob when it comes to expressing yourself here. You have a Tourette's syndrome as bad as the loony left. Where you feel compelled to blurt out the same crude crap over and over. Reganite has a distinguished resume but I know nothing about you

I have no love for the Euros and their historical anti Semitism but you sure don't help matters. You are a one note Johnny

#130 Vortec

Before PC contaminated the USMC, he would have sent the martyr to hell.

Where do you think Allah resides?

Of course, there's that :-)

Fox is reporting that "several" mosques in the Netherlands have been torched.

The rest of the media will of course point out that the anniversary of Kristallnacht is just two days away. Grrr...

A glimpse into life under Sharia Law. can't wait.
Camron Diaz will be right. Rape will be legal - and murder - no big deal.

---
OT:
on a lighter note - Power line has some funny reasons why Michael Moore should reconsider...
[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

1. George Bush WON.

2. George Bush WON.

3. George Bush WON…….I think you get my point.

4. You realize that the next Democrat nominee that hopes to win the presidential election is sure to obtain a Restraining Order against you.

5. Your anticipated appointment as Propaganda Minister may now be in a European country, rather than the United States, a much longer round trip for those late night Krispy Kreme runs.

6. Even though you HATE Texas, you still only have one Kinko’s you can really rely on.

7. The DNC commercials showing YOU windsurfing will never finish production.

8. The 1200 cameras you provided to intimidate voters at polls were instead taken by the "Vote or Die" volunteers you gave them to, who instead taped the Frat Parties and Homemade "Girls Gone Wild" videos, causing them to oversleep on election day.

9. You finally want to change underwear, and now realize you gave all of yours away for nothing.

10. Bruce Springsteen won't return your calls.

11. Whoopi Goldberg does return your calls.

12. Your villa in Fallujah was just blown up and you don’t have Iraqi homeowner's insurance.

13. The "thank You" letter for your contribution to this year’s election just arrived in the mail…..signed by Karl Rove.

14. The promise you received that Stem Cell research would make you more attractive to women has been fading fast.

15. Your latest film failed to sway voters to Kerry, but on the brighter side, Osama did follow your script.

16. You just realized that a "Puppet Show" has become more credible than your "documentary."

True German Ally

I think you are right about the negative publicty, it's not nearly enough but its a start.

The press however doesn't make policy, Brussels does and they are waiting for Theo Van Goghs slaughter to blow over.

Wow. "Murder is normal. Why wouldn't murder be normal?" Wow. This conflict with the muslim world is starkly basic, and FAR from over. If I had a forward-looking time periscope I'd hesitate to look in it. Please God, change these people's hearts soon.

oops - #106 beat me to it.
sorry.

Anyone who highlights the true nature of islam is "going to far".

If radical islam is going to be "normal", then I pray that the dhimmi apologists are the next to experience it's cruelty. It's the only way that they will learn.

#57 Cattt

My home town is NEVER on national news.

If you're lucky, it'll never be again.

#134:

The rest of the media will of course point out that the anniversary of Kristallnacht is just two days away. Grrr...

...without reporting that synagogues and cemeteries in France and other parts of Europe are regularly vandalized and even torched.

128 jrdroll

Thanks.

If you want to really be scared, you should listen to the Iraqi who came to our church this morning. He said that Muslims intent is to die so they can achieve Heaven and that it will only stop when we either kill them all or convert them to Christianity. He dispelled any myth that Islam is a peaceful religion by reading from the Koran. There were MANY verses saying to kill the unbeliever (us) just for not believing and that it is not only OK buut expected. SO, for all who believe that you can work with Islam, think again.

#54

The number is close to two billion... with the women having an average of 5 children...

Western women are having 1 - 1.5 children.

These numbers are depressing eh?

OT:

From Drudge: Clinton had pland to nuke Norks.

Sorry if it's been mentioned.

More dribble from Euro-trash

The Guardian: Nato is a threat to Europe and must be disbanded

Here's an excert, prepare your vomit bags:

"Its dangerous ignorance of the world, a mixture of intellectual isolationism and imperial intervention abroad, is equally alien. In the United States more people have guns than have passports. Is there one European nation of which the same is true?

Of course, millions of US citizens do share "European" values. But to believe that this minority amounts to 48% and that America is deeply polarised is incorrect. It encourages the illusion that things may improve when Bush is gone. In fact, most Kerry voters are as conservative as the Bush majority on the issues which worry Europeans. Kerry never came out for US even-handedness on the Israel-Palestine conflict, or for a withdrawal from Iraq.

Many commentators now argue for Europe to distance itself. But vague pleas for greater European coherence or for Tony Blair to end his close links with the White House are not enough. The call should not be for "more" independence. We need full independence.

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We must go all the way, up to the termination of Nato. An alliance which should have wound up when the Soviet Union collapsed now serves almost entirely as a device for giving the US an unfair and unreciprocated droit de regard over European foreign policy.

As long as we are officially embedded as America's allies, the default option is that we have to support America and respect its "leadership"."

#136 andrew2

It will not blow over because we will see more of the same.

It took Germany a painful long time to get rid of Kaplan. But the German Minister of the Interior announced that from now on it will be "a lot easier".

Islamists will face deportations if these are "in the interest of Germany". These interests trumpet the interests of the individual.

Once we have deported the hundred most radical Turks to Turkey (where they will get a rathedr dreaded welcome) they'll cool off quite a bit.

OT

Linked to this from Free Republic. Looks like it's starting in Fallujah.

A prayer for our troops would not run amiss.

#9 packsoldier  11/7/2004 04:04PM PST

"Muslim immigration to the US must be banned completely and all Muslim non-citizens deported.
We must not suffer the fate of Europe."

Perhaps given that it is Sunday, and last Tues. it was resoundingly affirmed that this country is a place where traditional values are still alive, and somewhat well, I can risk saying a brief word about the problem.

First off, what is in place in the ME, and most Muslim immigrants is a consciousness that is still a tribal group consciousness, i.e., Old Testament based, "eye for an eye" stuff. Islam is an authoritarian Father god religion that cannot get beyond the thinking-feeling that the European world left behind as it took up christianity and the Son principal inherent within. The most important gift that comes via christianity is the ability to develop an _individual ego_ consciousness. The orthodox jew comes to this also, but in a different way).

In the Judaic-Christian tradition a path is offered for internalization of the Law, but, in Islam the Law stands outside and beyond the individual; even in the most devout, well-meaning believer is offered no path for this individual development of the_ ego_ structure, and therefore the practitioner is stuck with the kind of mindset displayed in the article. The great debates in the 12th century best exemplify the problem that still rages between East and West -Thomas Aquinas versus Averros on the issue of "intellectus agens-intellectus posibilis").

The East is stuck in Old Testament group consciousness and has to be brought into the 21st century, even if it means this being done by violent means, otherwise the entire world remains in jeopardy from the backward, retarding forces emanating from Islamism.

While saying this, I do not forget the great debt the West owes the Islamic world for what was preserved
there after the fall of Greece, but there is no hope for the East, except what is offered from the West via traditional Judaic-Christian moral values.

This is why the struggle with the islamic immigrant must be faced by the West. The reason why Old Europe is having such a hard time now is because old Europe has forgone its Judaic-Christian values and try to cope with the problem via values imposed by secular humanism and political correctness.

OT,

www.islamicsydney.com is reporting that Terrorfat is dead, and that the Paleos have asked the French to cover it up for 36 hours (so much for the Mohammedan 'bury them in 24 hours' rule). It's not really a reliable web-site, but who knows, they might have a hot-line to Allah.

#147 touchdown

In the United States more people have guns than have passports. Is there one European nation of which the same is true?

Did it ever occur to those knuckleheads that the average American has little need of a passport?

#151 David

If you read French, see here. Sami el-Soudi (not his real name) is a Balestinian insider, a close friend of Abu Mazen.

#151 david

Arafat is dead -same thing reported at Islam Online (found this via )Israel Midnight Cafe

Actually, in Allahland, murder is pretty normal...

#153 jrdroll

Did it ever occur to those knuckleheads that the average American has little need of a passport?

So does the average French. His national ID card is enough to travel all over Europe. Very few French people have a passport.

Murder is normal

It depends on what you mean by "normal".

/Bill Clinton

Seriously though, what can you say when in some cities it is a big news story when there hasn't been a murder in the past 24 hours (was it Chicago?)?

I'm not acting as an apologist for this loony. I guess I'm just being a bit pessimistic about human nature.

This is a wake up call. I've seen Amsterdam and Brussels transform from great European cities into sewers overflowing with islamic offal.

This creatures are forever mired in eighth century barbarism, and the sooner Western Civilization realizes it's in a winner take all struggle with this disease, the better.

The threat is real here in the US, as long as we allow fifth column organizations like CAIR and MPAC to issue their propaganda unabated.

# 153 jrdroll

Did it ever occur to those knuckleheads that the average American has little need of a passport?

No, but then again, not much does occur to them, other than brainless indignation combined with sickening appeasmenent of Islamo-fascism. Its gross :(

158

I think that was more like, "It depends on what the definition of is, is."

LOL!! What a freakin' moron! How can anyone take bubba seriously after he said that??

#145 Smug Monkey

The North Koreans should take note and realize it's never too late.

149 daNightman

"By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you STAND, Men of the West!"

#132 dennisw

bigel hasn't attacked anyone. Why are you?

Kill all of them before they kill any of us. It's that simple.

162 Blackhorse 11/7/2004

I would imagine that it's been made very clear to the Norks that if a device pops in the CONUS, we can and will trace the signature... and if it belongs to them the response will be immediate, nuclear and disproportionate.

At least that's what I'd tell 'em... and the mooolaaahs, too.

#151,

Whoa, a French-language site that isn't given over to Jew-hatred!

Oh well, gid riddence Arafat. I won't miss you.

The "Palestinians" will never get a leader more interested in their couse than the money!

It will be interesting to watch them self-destruct!

Maybe Kerry could offer his services to be their leader?

I understand ya don't have to be a Palestinian, and the Euro's love Kerry, plus- I think Arafat had already given his endorsement of Kerry!

Yes, "murder is normal",

And expressing fear and/or outrage over murder perpetrated in the name of the Islamic religion = "racist."

All must kowtow to the Secular Humanist Multi-Cultural Political Correctness.

*/ Yeah, right.

#167 David

Whoa, a French-language site that isn't given over to Jew-hatred!

Most French Jewish sites are like that. Not all, but most.

# 148 True German Ally

I don't think a European Strategy to contain and control the problem is a viable long term solution to the Islamification of Europe. Cooling them off can only buy you time.

#159 Infidel and Proud

Very good Post. I am beginning to wonder if most Americans understand we have a deadly enemy within.

The US has cancer, and it needs to be removed.

I should read desinfos.com more often; I like the tone of that article. "Un état absolument stable"! LOL.

#174 David

The article is from Metula News Agency.

#166 Smug Monkey

I'm with you Smug Monkey. I don't remember a time in my life when tension did not exist between South and North Korea.

I recently saw where a small skirmish occurred in the waters off S. Korea. It was my understanding North Korea military vessels were getting to close to the South territory.

#173 bigel

It seems to me the Euros, with 2000 years of non-stop persecution and murder of Jews, are the ones singing the same note.

Without hysterics, can you name one Jew who was murdered by a european this year?

Thought not.

#177 Buckeye Abroad
You're feeding him. He'll of course come back with his "proxy" argument.

Well, murder is normal for some people.

We should remember that our Islamofascist brothers are really just misunderstood angry people and what we really have to fear is the massive number of newly registered Mennonites who voted Bush into the #1 spot in Ohio.

These Bible thumping radical religious types - together with their Amish brothers - may take up lynching, stoning, open prayer groups and may forbid dancing in public places at any moment, and this is something that kinda sorta might happen at some point in the distant future because we all know how those people are.

So, despite the fact that Muslim Nazis are cutting people's heads off and murdering artists in the streets, your real enemy is anyone wearing a cross who lives quietly on a farm.

Ah, New Zealand...where men are men and the sheep are nervous.

Speaking as a New Zealander, I'm highly offended, and my girlfriend is so upset she hasn't touched her hay OR the nice new salt lick I just bought her. ;-)

#154 Mr Pol
Thank you for the link. I enjoyed reading the article.

#177 Buckeye Abroad

It seems to me the Euros, with 2000 years of non-stop persecution and murder of Jews, are the ones singing the same note.

With due respect Buckeye. I believe Bigel was referring historically to the Euros killing of Jews. He said nothing of the past year but did refer to a period of 2000 years.

#178 reaganite

You're feeding him. He'll of course come back with his "proxy" argument.

No I'm not. Someone has to call him on his bullsh*t and his own words end up hanging him.

I openly admit I miss Caton...he was insightful with experience. Bigel is a man echoing his fears.

I think they are finally getting it...

Mosques Attacted

Holland Mosques Attacked

Van Gogh murder backlash begins

Arsonists target mosques

Go get 'em Boys...

#183 Buckeye Abroad

No I'm not. Someone has to call him on his bullsh*t and his own words end up hanging him.

there's two faction here on LGF. While I agree with you 100% the shit storm from the last round people were accusing me of being an anti-Semite.

I openly admit I miss Caton...he was insightful with experience. Bigel is a man echoing his fears.

Yeah, I miss him as well.

Damn death cult. How many of you emailed SFSU and the California Governor to arrest those women who threatened to bomb the university, etc?

They are the enemy within and so are those who would let them get away with it. I couldn't make a bomb threat and walk free. Why should they?

If murder is normal then I suppose the Dutch should just kill those SOBs.

#184
That IS good news...let the games begin.

#187 Ploome Hineni

I stand with you Ploome Hineni.

#182 Blackhorse

True, but he was leaving that to interruptation. Such as:

I guess we shouldn't point out Jew-hatred? The remaining Jews should just shut up and go quietly to their deaths, is that what you think?

I don't thing "dennisw" was discouraging pointing out Jew-hatred and nor does he advocate Jews "shutting up an going quietly to their deaths"--- but its clear Bigel is trying to imply that.

I could refer you historically to Bigel's explosive posts on these matters, but I leave that to you with all due repect.

#189 Blackhorse
Ditto.

reaganite -- have you seen the newest thread?

#190 Buckeye Abroad

I understand your point. Sometimes posters can get a little abrasive (I'm sure I have as well). I had no intention of offending you, and I sincerely hope you didn't take it that way. :-)

#193 ploome

no liver or any other organ failure

LOL -- guess they think we're still buying it.

I still say they're going to break his death to us slowly: one organ at a time.

It ain't much, but it's a start. Especially for the Netherlands where this sort of thing doesn't usually happen.

Ahh, bigel and his "word" to tone it down...

This part of the article is the most telling:

It’s not about the way we think. I’m married myself to a Dutch woman. I have five children who have been raised here in the Netherlands. If you try to insult their mother, then this reaction is very normal.

The Muslim has five children, is married a Dutch woman, but still thinks "yo mama" deserves murder. That's just cover for his Islamic bloodlust for anyone who would dare criticize the religion. But I'm sure there are Europeans who will read that and accept the so-called rationale.

That this man has five children is probably the most frightening fact in the whole article. They know they can win by multiplying like bacteria. The world slips into a new dark age with barely a whimper within one hundred years.

Did anybody notice that the Mayor of Amsterdam is Jewish?

I hope every policy maker sees this. They would note the logical dissonance of Muslims. Muslims always start with a conclusion, then attempt, usually feebly, to justify it. Then when a member of civilised society, expresses confusion, the muslim resorts to agrievement and name-calling. Always, without fail, Muslims are pathological liars, so they assume everyone else is also. Too much coffee in the hot sun. Hanging with goats. Never knowing what the opposite sex looks like where it matters. All they know is both men and women have mustaches and smell. A hard life for a natural goatherd. The religion of hate.

ploome, of course it's the Jews. Now we'll see what Bush is really made of.

Apparently the "man on the street" in the Netherlands has had enough. Mosques in the Netherlands targets of arson attacks. Behavior so unbecoming of tolerant Euros, no?

I recently saw the The Last Days, the story of Hungarian Holocaust survivors like Tom Lantos.
The Jews of Hungary considered themselves Hungarians, were patriotic, and thought that their relationships with their Christian neighbors were excellent. They were shocked to find that when the Nazi took over the people they waved and smiled to, whose children played with theirs, were now spitting on and jeering at them as the Nazis took them away.

Americans couldn't accept what was happening in Europe then, and apparently can't see it now. I don't agree that all Europeans are anti-semites. But with what I know of the history of the Shoah now, if I were Jewish, I wouldn't know who to trust.

#95

There was quite a public outcry at Pi** Christ

Similar to the public outcry by Christians towards Martin Scorcese for his film "The Last Temptation of Christ". Or the public outcry by Jews towards Mel Gibson for his film "The Passion of the Christ".

But in all above cases, no murders.

As a Christian, I'd be outraged if anyone killed anybody over any of the above.

Public outcries and protests are normal. Murders are not.

Muslims...sons of Cain ...
Murder is normal?

What is needed is not politically correct, and what is happening in Europe is what can happen here.

Tighten the borders, guys.

papijoe (#210)

But with what I know of the history of the Shoah now, if I were Jewish, I wouldn't know who to trust.

When it comes to the Europeans, as a Jew, you trust none of them. Simple.

#185 reaganite

..there's two factions here on LGF.

We all walked on as individuals and we all still are. Factions regarding view points aside, we are many and varied so I don't think a difference of opinion on ONE issue will keep us permanently seperated.

Bigel is many things, but he is not my enemy.

If posters here think you are anti-semetic, then its more of a narrow mind or lack of experience, but don't hold it against them.

With regards to Tony Blair, as an American, he's a friend on the war on terror. But as a Jew -- watch out. My friend in London has always hated him and I never understood why. Now I do.

(#210) papijoe

The Jews of Hungary considered themselves Hungarians, were patriotic, and thought that their relationships with their Christian neighbors were excellent. They were shocked to find that when the Nazi took over the people they waved and smiled to, whose children played with theirs, were now spitting on and jeering at them as the Nazis took them away.

That's the story in many European countries - including Germany itself.

When Jews get accused of sticking together, that's exactly why - they've been turned on many times before - and they teach their children about the past.

Watching Arabs and Arabist academics in America deal with this phenomenon is creepy:

[Link: www.juancole.com...]

Notice when they defend themselves, they talk about their positions as mere "criticism of Israel" which is brining attention from pro-Israel groups. As if they're not engaged in full-fledge, total, and utter villification of Israel as compared to the horrible Arab governments and states (not to mention the PLO) that they rarely criticize, let alone villify.

Cowards and hypocrites.

But Jews are noticing - and not just "Likudniks" and "pro-Israel" or "Jewish nationalist" Jews - these guys have all kinds of names for the "bad" Jews.

#210 papijoe

Americans couldn't accept what was happening in Europe then, and apparently can't see it now.

Papijoe, as an American I promise you I do see it. Not only in Europe but it is starting to brew here in the US as well due mainly to the muslims and palestinians coming to this Country.

That being said, I want to assure you there are thousands of Americans who realize what's going on.

I and my family will always and forever be pro-Jew, pro-Israel.

88% of the Dutch still do not object to more Muslim immigration. Just like Bush and Powell. Otriches.

I watched a program about Hitler today on the History Channel. Actually, I only made it about half way through and felt utterly depressed and went out instead. It's hard to watch something like that and still have faith in humanity.

reaganite,

I don't understand. Why do you read bigel's comments if they bother you that much? You know what he's going to say just ignore it.

#187 ploome

How many Jews/Israelis would the Arabs kill if they were not ABSOLUTELY SURE of total and unwavering support from EUrope?

I don't know of the exact number, but you seem to have an idea. Enlighten me...how many?

#195 Blackhorse

You have been nothing but kind. No worries.

Poles eagerly helped the Nazis and cheered the extermination of the Jews

The Poles who, didn't have a chance in hell, still fought the Nazis in 1939. What about the Warsaw Uprising, While 20,000 Jews were killed during the liquidation of the ghetto, 200,000 Poles perished mostly all of them Catholics? The 3 million Polish Catholics put to death in concentration camps? What about the Poles who escaped and joined the Allies?

#220 zulubaby

I understand what you say. I was not there, but I make myself watch such programs on Hitler because I never want to forget what was done.

Too many of our young people today have no idea what happened. I have even heard people deny that the holocost even happened.

So many people are in denial of the evil things that men do.

Blackhorse, I can only watch it a bit at a time -- it overwhelms me. There are plenty of Holocaust-deniers, they're the worst anti-Semites. Strangely enough, while denying the Holocaust ever happened, they enjoy calling us Nazis.

Please, don't ever forget. I will never forgive either.

Fox News just mentioned riots or something in Holland on Geraldo's show?... I had the TV on mute for a while (trying to study)

What the hell is going on there now? anyone knows?

#198 bigel

You live in Germany, do you not? I guess living there has poisoned your mind. Living anywhere in Europe will do that, you know.

That says it all. I really don't care if you are a jew or not, but you have not fucking empathy and not a clue. Stay in Jersey, it suits you.

Living among all that Jew-hatred, I guess you kind of get used to it, don't you?

I don't agree with your posts, so now I'm "a Jew Hater?" You ever visit, let alone spend some time outside of Jersey, to actually validate those personal opinions?!

Thought not.

And as for how many Jews were killed by Europeans? Reaganite got it exactly right in #178. They are doing it by proxy. The old (Euro) Nazis have outsourced the second Holocaust to the new (Islamo)Nazis.

I notice you haven't name one yet. YAWN

Let's be honest, you know very well the whole point of European foreign policy to day is to vilify, demonize and criminalize the Jews, so they can justify their extermination of Jews 60 years ago, and their finishing the job today.

No. Let's be honest. You are sick, loathsome indivual in need of professional help. I'll await you to point out the European foreign policy statuate to "criminalize Jews to justify extermination." The EU is sinking due to its ideological and economic policies-- nothing to do with its "legalized" hatred of jews.

Murder is normal in the RoP?

Let's make carpert bombing the status quo. It fits their values system.

#226 RayA
Just checked De Telegraaf...pretty quiet, it would seem.

#230 ploome

...the GERMANS?

No. For a pro-Israel American, from Ohio, who has been living most of his adult life overseas in many corners of the world.

If disagreeing with bigel, which seems to be your acid test, is being "Anti-semetic," then you are are in need of help as much as he is.

You will always have enemies-- as we all do. Adapt, overcome, conquer. You both are not mine, but you seem to want it so.

Beagle

That this man has five children is probably the most frightening fact in the whole article. They know they can win by multiplying like bacteria. The world slips into a new dark age with barely a whimper within one hundred years.

I dunno 'bout you, but I think I'm gonna start gatherin' up LDS (Mormon) church members, and treatin' 'em to an oyster dinner.

Somehow this thread has become truly depressing.

#264 ploome

its late on this end of the world and I have not time for your legal parade.

you said something about empathy for Germans?

No, your sibling bigel said in post #198:

You live in Germany, do you not? I guess living there has poisoned your mind. Living anywhere in Europe will do that, you know.

I said: That says it all. I really don't care if you are a jew or not, but you have not fucking empathy and not a clue. Stay in Jersey, it suits you.

You said in post #230:
empathy for whom? the GERMANS?

I replied in post #233.

Your post in#234.
I have no idea what you are talking about

Obviously. You refuse too.

you said something about empathy for Germans? why?

Nice strawman. You should stuff it with more bullshit like your posts.

and Europe is dying because it is now inhabited by corrupt bankrupt godless people

Nice. Please provide examples and your articulate, indepth analysis on each person.

I think they found their behavior disgusting

Oh man, can I relate to this quote.

Wow, nasty.

#238 silly ****

you are too stupid for a reply

No, just tired.

postively obtuse and viled... thought so

hope you roast in your own hatred

Buckeye Abroad, may I suggest that you save your dignity and go cool off. Your behaviour is really disturbing and I'm disgusted that you would speak to ploome like that. Get a grip.

Bigel,

Even though I agree with you that the Jewish persecution is a shame and a disgrace to civilization, please be aware that the Jews are not the only people who have suffered. During WW2, non jews from all conquered countries from Poland to the Netherlands, from Norway to Hungary and everywhere in between were also killed by the NAZI machine. In every country, not just Nederland, there were collaborators and even among Jews there were collaborators. Nederland had quite an effective resistance known as the KO Ploeg, of which my father was a prominent member. Before shooting of your mouth about Nederlanders, please take into consideration, that many people gave more than you and I have, to defeat the Nazi. Nobody is perfect but some people tried. Dont paint every one with the same brush and please don't insult the land of my birth again. It ain't perfect but neither is anywhere else. I think that the violence against the Jewish state is abhorrent but blaming evey one in the world that doesn't agee with your "exalted being" isn't going to make it any better

There's to much hate and not enough unity here.
Let's not forget that most of us are here because we have one common vile enemy to eradicate from this earth : islam.

I don't know what to say except for a plaintive "C'mon, guys!"

241 zulubaby

Your behaviour is really disturbing and I'm disgusted that you would speak to ploome like that.

I notice ploome's behavoiur is not called into question after his insults, just mine. Forgive my gentile observations.

243 ploome

last stand for a sexually inadequate POS!

Yeah, you got me. I am a sexaully indadequate piece of shit. You are a stud compared to my disfunctionalities. I concede YAWN

G'night lizards.

Ploome

What a wonderful trick, insult the messenger when you no longer can debate the message. Isn't that what the LLL does.

Disagreement does not require resolution.

I know that's philospy 101 but sometimes good people disagree. I hope you've heard of that. Calling people names and insulting them is a trick used by the LLL. Let's not sink that low

#246 ploome hineni

Germans, by and large, are turds judging by who they elected as Dear Leader, etc., but Buckeye Abroad is American.

On the one hand, B.A. is probably too lenient in his views on Germans. OTOH, I can't forget the German warship "manning the rails" to salute an American ship after 9/11.

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

It's difficult, and emotions are raw.

Buckeye Abroad, I have no idea why you're being so hostile.

I notice ploome's behavoiur is not called into question after his insults, just mine.

What insults? I think you misread things and then started calling her names. Read it again when you've cooled off and you'll see what I mean.

#253 zulubaby

What insults?

Maybe I can help your blindness...

Post 238
you are too stupid for a reply
maybe drunk

Post 243
last stand for a sexually inadequate POS!

Post 247
..all premature ejaculators..
..so this pig..

Post 248
he probably overdosed on viagra

but if you refuse to see, I cannot help you.

#256 silly ****

Which you are.

Buckeye Abroad, yes, I realize that, but that was after you called her a ****. If you called me a **** I'd come back with insults too. Sorry, I'm still not understanding where this hostility is coming from. Again, I think you've misread.

#259 zulubaby

I am starting to feel like I am trapped in a Kafka novel...

I didn't call her c*nt until after her Post #238

you are too stupid for a reply..maybe drunk

This all origianted after she is trying to pin some type of "empaythy" for germans when I was replying to bigel (Post 198)...not ploome. Back up, read the posts and watch it disintegrate from there.

Buckeye Abroad,

This all origianted after she is trying to pin some type of "empaythy" for germans when I was replying to bigel (Post 198)...not ploome.

No, I disagree. I think she was asking you what you meant, not "pinning" anything on you, and you lost your temper. I honestly think you read it wrong.

I'm married myself to a Dutch woman. I have five children who have been raised here in the Netherlands. If you try to insult their mother, then this reaction is very normal.

Interviewer: But don't you think that murder can't ever be considered normal?

Third man: Murder is normal. Why wouldn't murder be normal?

This is the scary part for me. This "we all agree that terrorism is the way society should work" monster has already married a native and had five children.

Ohhh.

Sigh I wish I had time to read all the comments.
Hell I wish I had time to compose my thoughts here (got a test tomorrow).

But FUUUCK.
I wonder how Americans will react when Mulsims here start defending murder as a way of life?

Notice that the man had actually been murdered for exposing domestic violence and rape, not "insulting their mother". But since the man can't say, "you're attacking my right to hurt and rape women" he makes up a ephemism. And notice that they (despite protests to the contrary) they agree to this as a group... He's not a lone guy saying this stuff then hiding from being shunned for being a monster ... quite the contrary.

Okay, this is the kind of man I'd like to either lock up for the rest of his life or deport to whatever country he came from.

If he wants to murder folks for disagreeing with him, that's fine, as long as he doesn't killl MY countrymen in MY country. Religion of peace, my a$$.

I would deport this father of five, and his children too, as they are the bombers and throat-cutters of the future, almost certainly brainwashed beyond redemption already.

Blast at Islamic school seen linked to killing of Dutch film-maker

An Islamic school in the Dutch city of Eindhoven was hit by an explosion but no one was injured, ANP news agency reported, as police said the blast could be linked to the murder of a controversial filmmaker.

Police said the explosion around 3:30 am (0230 GMT) caused serious damage to the school entrance and could be linked to the brutal murder of Thoe van Gogh by a suspected radical Islamist.

Windows at nearby buildings were blown out.

Eindhoven mayor Alexander Sakkers told public Dutch radio that no one was hurt in the explosion but that people in the neighborhood were in shock.

Muslim houses of worship and Islamic schools have been under surveillance since the murder Tuesday of van Gogh but police patrols would be stepped up, he added.

ANP reported Sunday that three Dutch mosques had been targeted in failed arson attempts at the weekend.

Police arrested three suspects as they tried to set fire to the An-Nasr mosque in the western town of Huizen Friday night.

Unidentified suspects also attempted to set fire to a mosque in Breda in the south, although the fire had petered out by the time police reached the scene.

In Rotterdam, a palette was set alight at the Mevlana mosque, but the fire did not spread. Pig heads and a placard with insulting slogans were nailed to the door of another mosque in the port city.

Vandals also daubed red paint over a Moroccan associative building in Amsterdam at the weekend.

The Dutch are mighty pissed.

True German Ally: Could you email me, please?

#266 zulubaby

> The Dutch are mighty pissed.

You can say that again.

> The Dutch are mighty pissed.

I couldn't agree more.

There is a small detail which Yahoo conveniently neglects to mention.

The school is within spitting distance of the Al Fourqaan barracks (Erdogan) from which two soldiers (Erdogan), Ahmed el-Bakiouli and Khalid el-Hassnaoui, were dispatched some time ago to Pakistan but ended up in Kashmir, to be left pining for Palestine by Indian border guards.

The same barracks frequented by Atta and other lieutenants from Hamburg, Germany.

A police spokesman said: "It seems as if we have to put a police officer in front of every building".

Nachtwacht, tell me more. Where can I find te information.

Nederlander

In Dutch.

AND LO! WE HAVE SENT DOWN A MESSAGE IN SINGLE CLEAR DUTCH THAT THEY MAY UNDERSTAND
...
"O believers, make war on the Arabs and Muslims who dwell around you. Let them find firmness in you." (Surah 9, Section 123)

"Fight those Arabs and Muslims who believe not in the God of Jacob even if they be People of the Book until they agree to pay the tribute in recognition of their submissive state." (Surah 9, Section 29)

"You will be called to fight a mighty nation of Arabs and Muslims; fight them until they embrace the God of Jacob." (Surah 48, Section 16)

"Then fight and slay the Arabs and Muslims wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them, in every stratagem (of war)." (Surah 9, Section 5)

"Those who believe fight in the cause of the God of Jacob; And those who reject the true faith of the God of Jacob fight in the cause of Evil; So fight ye against the Arabs and Muslims, those Friends of Satan ..." (Surah 4, Section 10, Chapter 76)

"Take not the Arabs and Muslims as friends or protectors." (Surah 5, Section 8, Chapter 51)

"The Arabs and Muslims perverted the things they learned in the Covenant of the God of Jacob." (Surah 3, Section 19, Chapter 187)

"The God of Jacob has turned his face from Arabs and Muslims, and Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Atheists should do the same." (Surah 4, Section 7, Chapter 47)

Why goatfuckers?

According to van Gogh Khomeiny once said that a man could turn to his goat when his woman was in her periods. Van Gogh was wrong on that:

Khomeini's Religious Teachings on sex with Animals
"The meat of horses, mules, or donkeys is not recommended. It is strictly forbidden if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man. In that case, the animal must be taken .."

He could fuck his wife in her ass.

Khomeini on Woman and Her Periods
"If during an act of intercourse a man notices that the woman has begun mentruating, he must withdraw, if he fails to, he must give alms to the poor. If such a man cannot afford to give alms to the poor, he must at least give something to a beggar. If he cannot afford that either, he must ask forgiveness of God."

Etc.

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate.
If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life.

From the Homa Durabi Foundation

#177 Buckeye

Without hysterics, can you name one Jew who was murdered by a european this year? Thought not.

What an idiotic, moronic and nonsensical argument. FYI, I can't name one person who was killed in the Civil War. According to you, therefore, it never happened.

Get an education, kid.

#222 Buckeye

"How many Jews/Israelis would the Arabs kill if they were not ABSOLUTELY SURE of total and unwavering support from EUrope?

I don't know of the exact number, but you seem to have an idea. Enlighten me...how many?"

The fact that that hypothetical cannot be answered does not make the notion behind it false. If you want some kind of idea of how muslims would go out of their way to kill jews if there was nothing restraining them, look no further than 1948. There are a number of modern examples as well, including the constant dehuminization of jews by enlightened imams referring to to jews as pigs and monkeys.

But, as a matter of fact, you are right. We do not know the precise number of how many jews would be slaughtered.

A Moraccan thinks Hirsi Ali is also guilty on the murder of van Gogh, and wants to brong her to court for complicity

[Link: www.volkskrant.nl...]

Europe is dead.

It just doesn't know it yet.

All one has to do is look at Malmo and Les Musciens to see the future of EUrope.

The Islamists are constantly pushing the envelope there to see what they can get away with. So far they have been able to get away with murder (literally). The only two things Islamists fear are violence against them and overwhelming use of force. Something they know the lily livered EUros will never do-that would be too much like those *GASP* American Cowboys!

But one day the Islamists will go too far even for the EUros and the EUros will try to put their small, fashionably shod feet down. Are they in for a suprise!!! For that is when you will see all those guns, RPG's, bombs and other weapons from Bosnia and farther east come out of the caches that the Islamists have scattered around western Europe. That is when they will bitchslap the impudent EUros for even thinking that the Islamist do not have the right to do anything they want. They view the EUros the same way they do women. Weak, stupid property to beaten and beaten often just so they remember and fear their master.

Think about it. In EUrope the citizens are not armed, the police are not armed, even their armies have no bullets for their guns. They will be slaughtered like the sheep they are if they dare say no to the Islamists.

On the school which was bombed in Holland (Eindhoven)this morning:

Eindhoven, Tariek Ibnoe Ziyad
Heeft nauwe banden met en is opgericht en financieel gesteund door Al Waqf. Bestuurslid Dol van Al Furkaan-moskee (moskee van Al Waqf) ook lid van bestuur school. In statuten wordt in artikel 12 verwezen naar Al Waqf. Een andere link leidt naar de Moslim Wereld Liga, een liefdadigheidsinstelling. Een onderdeel daarvan, IIRO, wordt door de CIA verdacht van het doorsluizen van geld en betrokkenheid bij het netwerk van Osama Bin Laden. De Nederlandse vertegenwoordiger, de voorzitter, is Mohammed Cheppih. Hij is bestuurslid op de school in Eindhoven. Tevens is hij betrokken bij Al Waqf.

#273,-74 BRUTUS

What an idiotic, moronic and nonsensical argument.

One question to you, do you agree with the statement that I responded to in #177?

It seems to me the Euros, with 2000 years of non-stop persecution and murder of Jews, are the ones singing the same note.

I'll still wait for an answer, but I suspect none is forthcoming.

According to you, therefore, it never happened.

Word of caution: Stuff words into people's mouths and you might get bit.

The fact that that hypothetical cannot be answered does not make the notion behind it false.

A Dan Rather standpoint I see. Please tell me, how does an Arab absolutetly know he has "total and unwavering support from EUrope?" like the poster suggests? How many Jews would be saved if he believed otherwise? Me-- I don't think he (Arab) cares what europe thinks.

One poster starts ranting without particular points, which usually ends with his proclamation of the liquidation of europe, and I dared question him to put forth a name. Do you really think a person making judgemental, blanket statements about a continent is anyone who should be taken seriously? It seems so.

The real magnitude of the problem of islam in the West will be manifest not in this generation, but the one after the first generation. Then the option of repatriation will not be available.

All muslims have to do is sit tight, come out with a few apologetics, some lame excuses, moan about victimisation and let demographics take care of the inevitable.

The Netherlands can take as many actions as it may, such as expel 'militant' imams, deport known radical muslims and other such actions. It will do no good. As Hugh F has pointed out, "the canonical texts remain immutable". Tolerance of the intolerant is not liberalism but suicidal and murder of all that is good in Holland. The same holds for all Western nations including the US.

The options available to prevent a regression back to the Dark Ages are few, and for the most part unpalatable.

9 packsoldier

Muslim immigration to the US must be banned completely and all Muslim non-citizens deported. We must not suffer the fate of Europe.

Far from that, muslim immigration is the largest of any cultural group. The reason is that one of the criteria is that immigration to the US is allocated on the basis of nationality. As there are 50 odd muslim states, and muslim states are by and large, economically defunct, immigration of muslims is the largest for any cultural group.

Unless Americans put pressure on Congress, immigration law will continue to be willfully blind to culture and still based on nationality.

#280 DP111

I recommend an article by Steven Steinlight of the Center for Immigration Studies, from April, 2004. (Sorry, I am utterly unable to find a link on the CIS webpage, but it is definitley worth looking for- another LGFr linked to it recently).

His conclusion?- American Jewry is soon to be swamped by muslim immigration to the US. I read the piece as a wake-up call to enervate complacent/guilt-ridden Jews to the threat that this level of muslim immigration.

Steinlight uses the worrisome example of Canada, where muslims now outnumber Jews. Montreal now has more mohammedans than Jews. Montreal!!! (Source: Census Canada 2001)

One of the problems is the very low threshold for a feeling of victimization, and the rising up of an enormous need for radical revenge including murder.

It varies from individual to individual, but it seems to be a characteristic of Islamic society generally, at least in comparison with Western society.

I think that that one reason why Islam today has such bloody borders, and such bloody innards also.

The radical Islamist theoretician Qutb, who has been very influential in the radical Islamist ideology, taught that the very fact that a person is not a Muslim is an insult to Islam and a cause for jihad -- and therefore is justification for taking away that person's life. Khomeini had a similar kill-the-kafir ideology.

There is a powerful victimization syndrome, driving an even more powerful revenge syndrome.

It isn't just radical Islam that is a problem. Mainstream Islam, which is desert Islam, needs fixing.

Westerners obsessed with political correctness have their heads in the sand. I recommend that they start their real education in this by reading the excellent book by Irshad Manji, The Trouble With Islam: A Muslim's Call for Reform in Her Faith.

There are good people who are of the Muslim faith. It's just that their voices and actions are faint and difficult to hear or see, and they are mostly thoroughly intimidated. The prevailing desert Islam needs to be fixed, and the people obsessed with political correctness need to get over their delusions.

#282 EE

Much as I would like to support a fellow Canadian, I'd suggest saving the money on Manji's book, and rather buy Spencer's Islam Unveiled or, for greater detail, Warraq's Why I am not a Muslim. I also found Pryce-Jones' book on the arabs very good for interpreting their 'culture'.

I only got through half of Manji's book. While she is an intelligent chatterbox, her "Letter to Muslims" style, the anecdotal nature of the book, and the almost-unbeliveble lack of her digging into the ahadith and the Umdat al-Salik caused me to put the book down. It just not have any depth, IMO.

Ever wonder why she lives quite openly in Toronto- and subject to no fatwas? The islamists do not view her as a threat.

#279 DP111

The sit and wait strategy you suggest is a very logical one, but I don't think the shame/honor code of many Muslim jihadis will allow them to wait it out for the next generation. I think they have some deep seated fears about becoming "soft" and are even more concerned that their children will become even "softer" in a non-Muslim society.

276 Nahani

The Islamists are constantly pushing the envelope there to see what they can get away with. So far they have been able to get away with murder (literally). The only two things Islamists fear are violence against them and overwhelming use of force. Something they know the lily livered EUros will never do-that would be too much like those *GASP* American Cowboys!

This opinion is oft expressed on LGF. I think there is a reason why such is the case. Europe as a whole, was to an extent complicit in the Nazi genocide of Jews in WWII. The effects of that catastrophe and what happened to Europe after, is still in the collective conscious of most Europeans. Sometimes it manifests itself as an attack on Isreal under a guise of anti-Zionism. But what really inhibits Europe from attacking the cancer of islam, is the guilt of association with the Holocaust. Paradoxically, islam in Europe is safe because of the Holocaust. It is strange that many muslims deny the existence of the Holocaust while unknowingly benefiting from it.

This is just a passing thought. I would value LGFers opinions on the curious case why islam is given such a wide benefit of the doubt in the West.

284 papijoe

The sit and wait strategy you suggest is a very logical one, but I don't think the shame/honor code of many Muslim jihadis will allow them to wait it out for the next generation. I think they have some deep seated fears about becoming "soft" and are even more concerned that their children will become even "softer" in a non-Muslim society.

Thank God for that. Just as the Palis, islamists are their own worst enemy. I have some imp work to do, so will get back later.

Ploome,

and Europe is dying because it is now inhabited by corrupt bankrupt godless people