The purges begin, Comrade!

Eh, him and the KOS-sacks won't care. He got "recognized" by the NYT again, while LGF didn't. They'll use it as proof that you (Charles) are envious of Zunigas' "fame" and that's why you give him so much attention. Never occurs to them that the reason they get so much attention from us is because their paranoid theories and rants are great for grins and giggles.

To the NYT, there are no such thing as a 'left-wing blog'. They're either blogs, or 'extremist right-wing blogs'.

Rush suggested this a day or so ago.

Since the mainstream media and liberals in general are flooding the networks and news papers with conspiracy theories, based solely on emails, I think we should start our own, to wit:
Since John Kerry had his teeth fixed, face lifted, liposuction and bo-tox injections, I believe someone, from the Bush Camp slipped him some penis enlargement pills, and that is why he lost, because SIZE SIMPLY DOESN'T MATTER.

The mainstream media should investigate and report their finding over and over and over and over in the hope that someone besides dunderheads and dolts would believe them, especially, since there is NO PROOF what-so-ever that this happened. Not to mention that trying to make news out of SPAM email is probably the stupidest thing that ever happened and a new low even for liberals. Sadly, there are several million Americans, and it would seem the rest of the socialist world believe their own BS.

I wonder if this means Google will be dropping Kos as a news source?

Well, let's give a smidge of credit. The New York Times is rather forthrightly telling all that the "stolen election" crap is just that. They take an oppurtunity to get a few licks in on the Young Turks, but the most important thing to get into general circulation is that to seroiusly say that Kerry won on Tuesday is absurd and childish, and the NYT is essentially doing that.

Even a stopped clock...

I noticed that too. The MSM sucks. The problem with blogs comes from the left. But, in order to discredit all blogs, they don't mind trashing the leftie blogs - their natural allies.

While I may not agree with what they say, I support the right of DailyKos to completely screw up and make fools of themselves.

I especially support this right against the attack by the New York Tums.

The MSM refuses to understand the power of blogs. They are fora for the exchange of ideas and the unfiltered presentation of information and understanding. Some get things wrong more than others, some are little more than projections of the paranoid delusions of their contributors. But in their highest form, they represent the ability to bring many, many minds to a single issue, and to obtain results that the MSM, by delegating the task to one or two individuals, simply cannot replicate.

Interesting, though, that the NYT had to debunk a leftie theory to take a swing at the blogs. You can bet they wouldn't have run an equivalent piece pre-Nov 2. For now, they're picking their enemies carefully.

The NY Times is projecting its own bias, failures, and lapses onto the blogosphere.

Heh! As Instapundit would say.

Gotta love the NYT doing serious investigative reporting and still failing to deliver on the nuance of the situation.

Fact checking and getting your story straight aren't important to the Times any more than it's important to the Daily Kos crowd. Somethings don't change. But the Times editorial board must not like the fact that they lost the election, so they're taking it out on who they perceive is the weak links - the blogs.

Double Heh!

Why is the NYT being so critical here? Their golden boy, Michael Mohammed Moore has been running with this stuff since Nov. 6. HE believed it! It must be credible.

left-leaning Web logs like DailyKos.com

"Leaning?" WaPo is left-leaning. CNN is left-leaning. I shudder to think what the NYT would cite as a leftist or hard-left outlet. Meanwhile I'm sure if they ever mentioned LGF it would be "Ultra arch extremist hardcore right-wing" blog.

Actually, this is pretty cool, if my guess is right. The DNC establishment has decided that a "we wuz robbed" scene will cost them. They've also decided that liberal blogs did a little too much usurpin' of the party message and overheated the base, turning off moderate voters. Sounds like a "hit" has been called in to take blogs down a few pegs to serve the interests of the DNC. Seeing the level of coordination the Dem campaign has shown with big media over the past few years, it doesn't strike me as extremely far fetched. Maybe far fetched-leaning.

Gee, maybe we'll be seeing another appearance from Kos's "expert" who insisted that because of photocopier distortion, identical appearance to MS Word output proves that a document could only be produced by a typewriter. And that only a "wingnut" could imagine otherwise.

A couple of nights ago on BBC Radio 3's Late Night Junction, a couple of excitable American guests (one of them the director of a new 'documentary' showing that Orwell's 1984 is alive & well in the US) pitched the 'hacking into voting machines' excuse as fact.

The art show's dim bulb host accepted the claim uncritically.

(My 1st ever post on LGF!)

Meanwhile, according to the Old Gray Liar, we are getting our butts kicked in Fallujah:

Black Flags Are Deadly Signals as Cornered Rebels Fight Back

Is it just me or does this reporter seem to only be focused on our casualties and relish them?

Compare with this report:

StrategyPage - Iraq: All The News That Fits

The NY Times along with most of the MSM have as a basic precinct: "Damn you're stupid."

Looking at Kos and DU, you can almost be choked by the fumes of deep desperation on the part of these people. They're coming up with every theory that sounds "plausible" to them, from blaming the Diebold machines to saying that the Republicans prevented thousands of potential voters from voting, preventing Kerry from their projected landslide victory. Personally, I think alot of it stems from bitterness that Kerry didn't pull a Gore by choosing to litigate the hell out of the election results, taking away from them their chance at saying "selected, not elected" for 4 more years.

Maybe far fetched-leaning.

LOL, good one, Model4.

I have to agree, the way the MSM was shilling for the DNC the last couple of weeks before the election, that kind of cooperation is more "expected" than "far-fetched".

My LLL acquaintences up here are saying that Kerry might "un-concede".

I just went to CommonDreams.org.

I feel dirty. Kos is sane by comparison.

... left-leaning Web logs like DailyKos.com...

Left-leaning?

That sucker leaned so much it dang well fell over!

I wouldn't doubt if they are hoping to discredit all blogs (especially this fine blog) by using the blogs that have screwed up. That way they can keep people from giving any credence to what any blog says. They can go back to their "MemoGate"-like stories and not have to worry about someone seeing through it and getting the word out.

Charles, maybe you should be thankful you weren't mentioned. :)

Lots of leftists think the NYT is a right wing publication.

It's fun to watch them beat each other up and drag each other through the mud.

Saves me the trouble. :-)

While we investigate how voting machines make loyal Dems into Repubs at crunch time..lets also see how PAYING cocaine to people to vote changes the election.

soldier's dad (#18),

Lance Cpl. Jonathan Salisibrarra, the payload operator, placed the crosshairs of the Pioneer's optical camera on the mortar tube and read off the 10-digit grid that appeared on the screen. The coordinates were typed and sent to the Fusion Center and the firing battery. The crew waited for several minutes, saying little, as the Pioneer circled several thousand feet above, camera locked on the shiny mortar tube. When Neumann said, "Shot out," they craned forward to watch the explosion.

"We're getting Predator," Neumann said after calling the Fusion Center.

Launched from a site near Baghdad, the Predator UAV carried a Hellfire missile. Its crew and its video feeds were back in California. A few weeks earlier, the Watchdogs had employed Predator to hit a moving pickup with a mounted machine gun—one robot leading another robot to the target.

Both video screens suddenly flashed bright white, as if a fuse had blown. There was a collective Damn! from the watching Marines. The center of the roof was now a huge black hole.

Yeah, I bet our guys are crapping their pants when they see some chump waving a black flag.

Of course the New York Slime is picking on garbage blogs like common dreams and dross...I mean kos. They can pick apart the factual content (think turkey carcass one week after Thanksgiving) on those sites with all the delicacy of a gorilla going after a basket of pineapples. Easier than forecasting the weather with a Keno wheel.

They'd also not be inclined to give any of the truth, justice, and American way-type blogs any free advertising. Remember how LGF was identified as littlepurple-something or other by a lefty "reporter?"

#28 geepers:

No kidding. If these guys see someone waving a black flag, you can bet that the Marines are getting coordinates fed into the milnets so that the dumbass who's showing himself becomes another satisfied martyr whether via 155mm, Hellfire, sniper fire, or any of the dozens of other forms of death that the US military can inflict on its enemies.

In the year 2012...

Grandpa, what was a newspaper?

This is all the more reason to go after the MSM and pound them on the Islam issue. They would not exist in an Islamic state

NOW THAT THE ELECTION IS OVER, I PROPOSE THAT LGF FIND THE WAY TO BEGIN ATTACKING THE MSM AND FORCING THEM TO PUT OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM

I am asking for the beginnings of a discussion between the members and Charles as to the best way to accomplish this goal.

Well, what does any of us expect from the New York Times? The New York times that slobbers all over Arafat with a parade of stories idolizing Yasser Arafat.

NYT know and fear the LGF.

Well, yeah, he turned on them with the "Fallujah fighter thugs" thread and they had to make an example of him.

The whole "stealing vote" idea is based on the exit polls. The left WAS winning, according to pollsters whose job it is TO SHAPE OPINION not report it. The so-called stupid 59 million people have seen this for four years and have learned that that is what polls are intended to do, they try to INFLUENCE people! So the left can go hide with their computer print-outs of their own fakey, CBS made-up, failed-propoganda exit polls, we'll be right here if you need us with our president George W. Bush. SCOREBOARD!!

lawhawk (#30),

It's almost a fantasy story. Are we truly expected to believe that anyone is dumb enough to start waving a big flag around in a battle zone?

And to be completely pedantic, just how much information can you convey by waiving a flag about? Are we then to believe that insurgents are taking classes in terrorist semaphore?

#9 Thom - I've posted this on another thread the day after the election.
I think we're witnessing the initial death throes of the MSM. The reason NYT and others HATE the blogs (especially the lefties) is because Charles and many other "Right Wing" blogs have a genuinely wide base of followers from doctors,lawyers, accountants farmers meteorologists, computer geeks (and I mean that in the kindest possible way)auto mechanics, bomb doctors, pilots, veterans (especially so here on LGF - and Charles, thanks again for that post yesterday) who FACT CHECK THE ASSES off the MSM.
Dan Rather's (why does he still have a job?) and CBS forged documents which Charles was all over in about 20 minutes SCARE the MSM; we are , collectively, extremely intelligent people who care about the Truth. And the fact that we talk about it with our family and friends has made a difference in the way my LLL sister looks at the MSM now, and many more are on their way to see the bias that is so prevalent.
And thanks to Charles I don't have to read the NYT anymore and haven't watched "network television" in I don't know how long (mostly cause I feel foolish yelling at my tv set every time I watch network news or news magazines). We're not only collectively smarter than them, we don't do this for the paycheck and there are WAY more of us than there are of them.
Sorry if this is sort of a rant, but I just had to say these things.
Oh and by the way, every time my IeSPell check gets to NYT it suggests changing it to NUT.

Charles, one mo' time, thanks for littlegreenfootballs

#37 realwest

Oh and by the way, every time my IeSPell check gets to NYT it suggests changing it to NUT.

I love spell checkers! :)

Again, they underestimate the intelligence of the "blog" readers and those which they are citing as examples will likely meet their demise anyway.

The MSN will then think they were "instrumental" but those with integrity and fact checking will survive.

It is the typical left mentality to paint "all" in a group (blogs) with the same broad brush, implicating the more "conservative" and credible blogs as unreliable too.

It won't work because they fail to take into account that people are NOT all dumb.

What they are avoiding saying is that there were a number of high profile websites which were in fact set up specifically for propoganda --not necessarily facts and truth --to promote nothing else but defeating George Bush.

Look at what they are NOT saying. They did not --and likely could not --cite any of the more conservative blogs for presenting false information as "fact." If they had any they certainly would have named them. The exclusion then speaks volumes.

#36 geepers:

And to be completely pedantic, just how much information can you convey by waiving a flag about? Are we then to believe that insurgents are taking classes in terrorist semaphore?

Well, we're supposed to believe that the jihadis with the black flags not only took semaphore in jihadi training camp, but were also flag wavers in their jihadi college marching band.

However, I think I figured out the flag waving techniques:
If the flag is perpendicular to the ground, that means I'm the target for the next incoming. If it's at 45 degrees, you're the target for the next incoming. If the flag is on the ground, it means the flag waver is hit and you should run. If the flag is waving around wildly, it means bug out immediately since I'm being overrun by a company of real mean looking Marines who aren't scared by silly flags and they've already nailed my jihadi buddies downstairs and I've got nowhere else to run after pooping in my pants.

If the flag is at 30 degrees and has changed appearance from black to the Stars and Stripes, that means your ass belongs to The Corps.

This is sooo cool! Don't you love it when the liberal press turns its guns inward?

Next thing they'll be doing an expose' on Keith Olbermann's reports earlier this week on voting fraud. They'll point out how inaccurate TV networks news is.

And all at the same time cutting off the Dem's ability to claim the election was rigged.

I'm rooting for you NYT!

#38 Thom - and I NEED it, too (I offer a silent prayer of thanks to zulubaby for giving me the link to it).

#40 lawhawk

ROTFLMAO! You should email that to the editors at NYT. Seriously.

Oh Ok, I get it:

Rather and Mapes front patently PHONY documents to try to throw a presidential election.

Independant Investigation Whitewash, and 2 months later -- Nothing. The American Electorate got this on Sept. 21 --

"We made a mistake in judgment, and for that I am sorry," Rather said in a statement marking a dramatic turnabout by the network -- which had resolutely stood by the story since questions were raised about the documents shortly after the network's Sept. 8 broadcast.

"It was an error that was made, however, in good faith and in the spirit of trying to carry on a CBS News tradition of investigative reporting without fear or favoritism," Rather said.

CBS -- which promised an independent investigation into the incident --

BUT cut off the end of CSI NY, a big money maker for C-BS advertising, @16.7 million viewers a week, for ARAFISH DEATH ANOUNCEMENT and Whooo hooo hooo, in 24 hours you get, a slobbering appology.

Thanks Charles, at least 55% of the American People still have Brains attached. They know where to go for honest Information.

They also apperently know where to go for purely fictional sex crimes entertainment.

I also find it interseting that these Democratic lawyers are in OHIO demanding recounts, "just to set the record straight" while hiding under the banner, "We know it won't change the outcome but we'd just like to settle any controversy." Translated, "We know Bush stole the election and we'll count these things for four years and when the Republicans that are helping watch us, go out to get coffee, we'll fiddle with some ballots so in the long run there will be an outcry of illigitemacy"

They lost, and the only way in their mind to rectify that is to screw with the ballots and insinuate and build on insinuation until we have another 2000. Even though Bush won handily, they feel that if they start with the premise that he stole 2000, then why wouldn't he steal this one? So they are going to disect every district to see how those stupid "fly-over-staters" could have hood-winked the "super-intelligent". My mom is a democrat and she voted for Bush. So they'll view that as some sort of Republican scam to steal her vote. They're already insinuating that in Florida. Bottom line is their candidate was in 'Nam (a war they like to use to smear other candidates, if those candidates were there) They talk about the under-priviledged and Kerry has 1000 dollar haircuts and man-tans and manicures, ten-billion dollar houses, private jets, private yachts. Outsourcing-Heinz has zillions of jobs overseas and Tereza paid 25,000? in taxes last year. Their candidate was more "Republican-looking" than Bush and they HAD to support him. That's their problem, not 59,000,000 dumb dumbs.

#32 ethelred

Agreed, got into a lil debate at work with someone who insisted islam was a ROP that was just hijacked by some thugs. After a few quotes from that "holy" book called the qu'ran, i changed her mind. Ity seems like her TV was telling her these things, so sher believed them. We need to spread the word that Islam is VERRRY dangerous.

lawhawk (#40),

LMAO.

Too funny. You seem to be a far and away bigger expert on terrorist flag waving than the NY Times staff will ever be.

And they wonder why we laugh at them?

On the other hand, I was touched by the post honoring our veterans yesterday on Kos. Oh wait, there wasn't one. Just more prattle about how our troops can't do anything right, and the jihadis will win whether we fight them or not. Guess without the "Band of brothers war hero" storyline, the libs are no longer forced to pretend they appreciate our troops. I'm sure that's a huge weight of their shoulders.

#40 lawhawk: Sweet!

#31 Post-it

In the year 2012...

Grandpa, what was a newspaper?

Amen to that! As long as they all use the NYT, Reuters and AP wires they are doomed. They are taking the Democratic party with them.

It's time we use the WSJ and relegate the NYT to the ash heap of history.

Al

#47 geepers:

Thanks! I've had lots of practice reading between the lines at the NYT. And on a serious note, who the heck does the NYT have covering this story? Someone whose only experience and exposure to modern military combat is through the rose-colored lenses that include a time warp back to before the 19th century when flag waving on the battlefield was actually fearsome to anyone on the field of battle?

I think the Marines might have had a bit more respect for the muj if they were playing the pipes, but then again, that might get the Brits more than a bit agitated for trampling on their traditions.

Jeez.

#40 lawhawk

LOL, great job.

My theory was that the jihadis were using the little black flags to get their last laugh before meeting Satan.

They wave the little black flag just before being overrun, and laugh themselves silly as the embedded NYT reporter's eyes get as big as saucers and he soild his britches...

Sad.

Remember when Americans being taken hostage was big news?

Arab TV Airs Tape of U.S. Hostage

Maybe someone over at the NY Times could take a break from writing puff pieces touting the valiant efforts of flag waving terrorists to give a damn about American hostages being being paraded on arab television.

Maybe after they show him having his head sawed off while his murderers scream "allah akbar" they'll notice?

Maybe if his headless corpse is dragged through the streets?

Of course If they did I suspect that they would only use it as an opportunity to tell all us dumb fucks that we deserve humiliating deaths for being insensitive to the demands of the terrorists.

Get used to seeing this--the Democrats and especially Hillary Clinton have realized that the radical Bush-hating left are more of a burden than an ally. Hillary's moving towards the center for her 2008 election bid, even embracing the hawks. Zuniga and friends just don't fit into that strategy, and they're gonna get cut. In the end, guys like Michael Moore probably will be, too. And since the NYT is nothing more than the newspaper propaganda organ of the DNC, they're towing that line. I can't wait to see the screaming that results from those quarters.

The radical left is finished as a political force in America. We're seeing the beginning of that fallout.

Ooops, make that "soils".

#37 Realwest

And thanks to Charles I don't have to read the NYT anymore and haven't watched "network television" in I don't know how long (mostly cause I feel foolish yelling at my tv set every time I watch network news or news magazines). We're not only collectively smarter than them, we don't do this for the paycheck and there are WAY more of us than there are of them.

Realwest, my feelings are the same. I only watch local Fox channel for news happening in my state. The MSM mind controlling days are over as far as I'm concerned.

Blackhorse

The MSM is against bolgs? No surprize there. Of course they are going to get their fact incorrect, that is what they do best.

This is what we get from the big thinkers on the left:

We Are All Dubya's Doormat
News flash for ordinary Repubs and born-agains: Bush doesn't care about you, either

This just in: millions of moderate Republicans and gay-terrified evangelical Christians and intellectually numbed conservative parents who thought they were doing some sort of good by blindly voting for Dubya and hence protecting their wee ones from swarthy Islamic evildoers who want to steal their kids' Kraft Lunchables and nuke Disneyland all should be emerging from a deep fog of savage denial any minute now.

Newsflash for condescending SF Gate columnist, no amount of shrill invective, hysterical hyperbole or cuties put down names for President Bush are going to convince anyone of your perspective.

Oh, sure, Bush reached out, didn't he, Mrs. Moderate Republican? He made you a believer. He promised more intolerance for gays and more Bible classes in the White House and more laughably irresponsible tax breaks you don't really need and more dumbed-down, black-and-white, good-versus-evil perspectives that take all the pressure off of having to, you know, think.

And because he unconditionally refused to acknowledge any sort of mistake, any sort of massive error in judgment or policy related the appalling Vietnam-grade quagmire that is Iraq, because he stayed "on message" and never fired Rumsfeld for gross incompetence and because he let the lower-rank military plebes take the fall for Abu Ghraib and never once wavered in the most disgusting of lies about why we needed to invade Iraq and kill over 100,000 of their people in the first place, why, he "earned" your vote.

It's so true, isn't it? Despite proof after proof and report after report and dead U.S. soldier after dead U.S. soldier, you thought Bush would do better than Kerry in "defeating" terrorism. No matter that Bush's very actions, his ugly little war, his very poisonous foreign policy that has so violently destabilized the Middle East, no matter that this is what has, in fact, amplified the terror threat a hundredfold and made the U.S. more detested than ever. Ahh, irony. It's what's for dinner.

Ya think this guy even knows the meaning of the word irony?

I think the reason that the left turned on their own blogs is that they've realized that they are almost useless as propaganda tools, especially compared to TV.

They are great for fact checking and accountability. But why would the MSM be interested in that?

I find it strange that NYSlimes attacks Kos.

Very strange.

#37 realwest--

Amen. What you said.

However, let me point out what Charles' pointed out once in a forum: the amount of people that visit here is equivalent to a medium size town (approx. 100K). And in a town that size you gets all kinds-- the good (which you have pointed out) and the bad (whom Kos and others have pointed out). While it doesn't make the blogosphere perfect in vetting out info...it sure as hell makes it a lot more interesting.

But you're right. The MSM have a handfull of experts on any given subject...hand picked experts whose opinion they're not obligated to publish if it doesn't jibe consciously or unconsciously with their biases. LGF and other blogs, on the other hand, have boatloads of experts. Of course, our problem is determining who has bona fides, who just are wannabes, and who are just cranks/nuts/plants/trolls . Time and reputation addresses that problem, but not perfectly.

^dy/_dx

#59 soccer4ever

It makes a lot of sense. Blogs like dailyKos are an embarassment to even to the MSM.

It's not unlike what the Dems did to Howard Dean.

#57 Geepers

Sounds like ol' Marky "More Ford" from the SF Gate has a terminal case of SORE LOSER!!! I think we can measure the intensity of the "sore loserness" by counting the negative adjectives in his report. He seems to be getting dangerously close to instantaneous combustion.

#46 Sheet o' Glass

I have been posting this message a lot recently, and have gotten a number of emails agreeing with the general idea. Some more thoughts:

1) The average person's understanding of Islam is VERY low. Convincing your co-worker that the Koran is NOT peaceful is but the first step. She must then understand taqiyya (or lying to promote the faith), that Islam is inherently political, and that it is totally antithetical to Western thought, especially individualism. She must be made aware of what is happening in Europe, and why that can happen here.

2) Talking to people one on one is good,even admirable, and hopefully you can talk to 2 people who each talk to two people, and so on, and so on...

)3 My goal, OUR goal should be to totally invalidate Islam as a religion as understood and protected in America. Muslims, in the end, cannot be assimilated because their belief system prevents them from having any allegiance to anything other than the umma. Every Muslim must come to be viewed as a potential traitor. I apologize to no one if this seems harsh.

)4 To accomplish (3), the MSM must be conduit since they reach the most people. The sub-goal then, is forcing the MSM to get real about Islam. It is how to do this that I was the basis of my first message.

I ask anyone who agrees with me to contact Charles so that he knows the depth and breadth of the feelings of the membership. Feel free also to contact me at the email address below.

Ali Sina and I are working on a REAL Islam 101 that will be but one component of this battle.

Ethelred Smith - questioningIslam@yahoo.com

#57 Geepers

Heh. I do believe that that twit's head done 'asploded in print. How many debunked Dem talking points did he manage to stuff in that tripe?

#37 realwest

Nice post, but while I'm being a fact checker and truth seeker, can I still be an odious neanderthal?

#45 HUSKER

Ohio...it's the new Florida
The only trouble here is Bush didn't win by .25% like Florida.

The Dumbocrats should be careful what they ask for -- as I recall there were serious and credible allegations of voter fraud being perpetrated to enhance Kerry's vote total. Lizardoid FACT CHECK alert!! Wasn't there a county in Ohio which received more registrations than there were people over 18 in the county?

I'll bet a beer that more than half of those "provisional" ballots get tossed out. And I want to see some of those voter fraud people do the orange jumpsuited perp walk.

O/T -- I think we should beat SpongeMike Sweatpants to the punch in 2008 and get one of OUR documentarians (Mike Wilson, maybe?) to do a documentary on Hiliary, and release it just in time for the Convention.

We could call it "Queen of the Dhimmed."

The left, while despising the right, will turn on one of their own after every unfavorable outcome. NYT may have smeared every blog with that article, which for a short time will have newer viewers looking at blogs with a jaundiced eye. But remember who their audience is, it's the left. They ignore facts even when they are being handed the facts.

The beautiful thing about the blogosphere, aside from getting news and an immediate analysis of the news, is that we can get it long before the MSM delivers their analysis of it.

Charles, I can't tell you how many times I have shared a story from your site to friends and relatives and then they get that news, with a leftist view of that news, a good 12 hours later from the MSM.

Fear not. The snowball is already rolling and it's getting bigger and stronger. That's their fear.

Uncle Jack

a soldier's dad (#62), Spiny Norman (#64),

I love reading that stuff. They actually think they've got it pegged down and just can't understand how freaking stupid everyone else is.

I don't know if anyone else has posted this yet, but KOS and LGF agree about Arafat. check out KOS's latest post here.

dit dit dit

This just in...

dit dit dit

Blogs trash NYT.

dit dit dit

I guess to the MSM there is no difference between fact-checking and wild specualtion without any substantiation.

Their loss.

the ny slimes is the horse whinnying at the automobile--its trying to discredit the future--well the blacksmith can hit the anvil as hard as he wants to but but i'd op for vulcanized rubber tires--joe the blacksmith meet charles goodyear!!

#63 Ethelred

I agree with your (and others) assessment that Islam and the Koran are incompatable with the U.S. system of government. The founding fathers with great wisdom and desire to do good created a government that is seperate from the church. This idea was founded with the Judeo-Christian heritage of Protestantism and Catholicism in mind. I am not a subject matter expert on this but I have enough sense that Islam was not in the nearest thoughts of the founding fathers when they crafted the government.

But Islam seeks to be a world government and religious system and therefor is imcompatable with the idea of the seperation of church and state. It is also not realistic to expect that Islam would accept this. At least with Judaism and Christianity there is no call for world conquest. The only thing close is with the mission of the Christian church to spread the gospel to all who would hear and listen to it.

In fact, the idea of the seperation of church and state can be found in the Christian Bible, where Jesus calls on his followers to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.

I will never accept Islam having any effect on my family's lives, my countrymen's lives, or my own life.

FYI, Krauthammer is on fire today:

'Moral Values' Myth
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
 

William (#74),

Thanks for the link.

This is more nonsense. George Bush increased his vote in 2004 over 2000 by an average of 3.1 percent nationwide. In Ohio the increase was 1 percent -- less than a third of the national average. In the 11 states in which the gay marriage referendums were held, Bush increased his vote by less than he did in the 39 states that did not have the referendum. The great anti-gay surge was pure fiction.

This does not deter the myth of the Bigoted Christian Redneck from dominating the thinking of liberals and infecting the blue-state media. They need their moral superiority like oxygen, and they cannot have it cut off by mere facts. Once again they angrily claim the moral high ground, while standing in the ruins of yet another humiliating electoral defeat.

Krauthammer is spot on there. Too bad the dems are so damn smart as to not accept fact for fact.

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing WORTH a war, is worse.

When a people are used as mere human instruments or firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice -- is often the means of their regeneration.

A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares aboutmore than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated THEIR ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other."

-- John Stuart Mill, "The Contest in America," first
published 1862

They are smearing all blogs with the craziness exhibited by Kos.

At least they are acknowledging that Kos is crazy.

These people have to climb down from some pretty stupidly chosen barricades. It's a humiliating process for them. One step at a time for them.

For them to even acknowledge the existence of right wing blogs that had done a better job on the CBS documents than the legacy media will be like Kruschev's speech about the excesses of communism under stalin.

Some of them will never climb down.

In a few years, the conventional wisdom will be that the Dems lost this election because of nitwits like Moore, Soros and Kos. That will be an improvement over the pre-election fawning these people enjoyed.

#76 Elisa

John Stewart Mill:

A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

Right now we have some pretty good young men and women exerting themselves. Pray that it is not for naught.

What did that come from?

#78 me

What I mean is "Why did he write it?"

I haven't read the whole article, but it's my understanding he was writing about the American civil war. You can download the full text here.

#73 metroman and #76 Elisa

#73 - If you do not want America in 30-40 years to look like Europe does now, then we must start immediately to begin to delegitimize Islam. The way to do that most effectively is to force the MSM to stop protecting it, which also means to effectively start working NOW to change the core mindset of every American. I would bet that even most 'Red' staters view Islam starting from the 'tolerance' angle. Please contact Charles and make your wishes known that you want to DO something other than post here and complain about evil Islam.

#76 - see above, plus - there will be no need for war, actual blood in the streets (as I am quite sure will get worse and worse in Europe before anything gets better), if the mindset of the American people becomes rejectionist towards Islam. If there are enough of us, the politicians MUST take notice.

Ethelred Smith - questioningIslam@yahoo.com

I have to admit I look at Islam from the "tolerance" angle, mainly because of research I did shortly after 9/11 which led me to believe that the extremists we are dealing with are just that - extremist practitioners of a radical sect of Islam. However, that same research showed that that radical sect (known as Wahabism) is the fastest growing denomination of Islam.

So I can't throw out wholesale the idea that there are peaceful Muslims, but that doesn't mean that I can't or won't support the clamping down on the Wahabists. The sooner it's done, the less bloodshed there will be.

And no, reading selected quotes from the Quran won't change my mind. Such selective reading can be and is done with the Torah and the Bible yet doesn't reflect the beliefs of the many.

Doesn't sound like the flag waving terrorists are fairing too well.

Listen to our Army and Marines kicking ass.

Listen to this Lt Col. on the scene describe "massive artillery barrages" and use of "all assets available".

Satellite shot of 2-2 zone of engagement.

#81 Ethelred

If Islam is as you say, then pursuing the extremists will eventually crush the whole.

If Islam is not as you say, then pursuing the extremists will cleanse the remainder.

I do not wish to fight any specific religion. I wish to fight people who want to kill me, regardless of what god or cause they choose to use to excuse their wanting to kill me. If that is all of Islam, then so be it.

Elisa (#82),

And no, reading selected quotes from the Quran won't change my mind. Such selective reading can be and is done with the Torah and the Bible yet doesn't reflect the beliefs of the many.

Ya know we've had that debate here before once or twice.

Would you care to actually cite side by side examples of how the koran and the Bible are equally bloodthirsty?

Or is this just your say so?

Why do you even care about the NYT? It has no relevence. No one west of NJ even knows it exists. You are creating a self fulfulling prophecy by constantly wondering what the NYT thinks about us. It's what we think about the NYT that matters.

F the old grey lady

#82 Elisa

I agreed you with for a long time. I was wrong.

Islam is a cult. The practitioners are cultist. Mind control and violence are their stock in trade.

They must be stopped.

A peaceful Islamic world is a fantasy.

Hey ya'll, check out Charles' new thread about the Dutch saying enough's enough, islamofascists! We gotta help our Dutch allies who've contributed 1300 people in Iraq. They're true allies in the War on Terror and are waking up!

#82 Elisa

Do some reading by ex-Muslims, that is, those that have escaped the death cult:

Ibn Warraq - "Why I Am Not A Muslim
"Leaving Islam"

Ali Sina - browse [Link: www.faithfreedom.org...]

The Islam that existed from 700-1700 or so, was the successful expression of Arab Imperialism masquerading under religious psychobabble. Islam is an entire system, controlling every aspect of the believer's life, as well as that of those they conquered (the dhimmis).

Currently, Islam cannot behave as it used to, since it is militarily weak. Whenever some 'extremist' or 'militant' does something according to the tenets of Islam the apologists come crawling out of the woodwork to say just what you are saying.

I will again post a quote from Hugh Fitzgerald at JihadWatch, where he is giving reasons why Islam cannot change and why we must be on guard even from 'peaceful' Muslims:

1) the canonical texts are immutable 2) the gates of ijtihad [questioning, the use of reason - E] slammed shut a millennium ago 3) anyone who does not know the full Qur'anic teachings is always open to learning them -- and then, instead of rejecting them, many people will embrace them -- so strong is the brainwashing of Islam 4) should we Infidels take a chance that a sufficient number of Muslims will NOT accept the full teacings of Islam? Why? What is the evidence from history -- the evidence all goes the other, more painful and distressing way. Why should we act on anything other than Ibn Warraq's formulation: "There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." To which I would add: One never knows precisely in what that "moderation" consists -- is it the result of ignorance, or of knowledge and then deliberate rejection of some of the tenets of Islam? Only the latter is acceptable, because ignorance can always be replaced by knowledge and then acceptance. And if there is at this point "deliberate rejection" by a few Muslims of the worst and most dangerous teachings of Islam, so what? They are a very small number. They do not speak out. They help to render Infidels unwary, and more susceptible to Da'wa, demographic conquest, and the other kind as well. And finally, they can always change their minds, and become more insistent on jihad, etc. And besides, again, WHY should Infidels base their entire way of thought, way of life, achievements as a civilization, legacy that ought to be tended, however imperfect we are, and handed down to some pathetic posterity (god knows we don't deserve the legacy of those centuries), on the assurances of "some" Muslims or the belief by some non-Muslims that "some" Muslims, are neither 1) ignorant of Muslim teachings nor 2) practicing taqiyya or 3) embarrassed to admit to themselves, or to others, what those teachings really mean and actually do not wish non-Muslims ill. What a chance to take! What folly!

Ethelred - questioningIslam@yahoo.com

I can't make any claims as to "equally" bloodthirsty - that would require a side-by-side analysis of both texts that I have neither time or interest in doing.

I'm referring to numerous passages in the Old Testament that I've seen used to discredit Christianity as not being a peaceful religion because they call for the deaths of women and children, and specifically refer to ripping the babies from the wombs of pregnant women. Sorry, I can't cite the references, I'm going by memory.

In case my point wasn't clear, I've seen the Torah and the Bible used to erroneously (through lack of understanding of context) discredit Judaism and Christianity. Thus, I am not open to the citing of isolated verses to discredit Islam. I am open to much broader forms of education, such as studies of the Quran's message as a whole, and the history and direction of Islam in the world. My earlier research was not detailed enough to lead to any sort of authority on the religion, but enough to raise questions about lumping all Muslims together without allowing for differences in sects.

#86 DocDublU

Sage advice, Doc.

It's just that sometimes you can't help but to watch (from a distance) the caged monkey throwing feces. Know what I mean?

Thanks for the references, ethelred.

Ethelred, thanks for suggesting we help de-legitimize & protect Islam in the West. Islamoswarms like that at Arafaid's funeral ought to help expose it as primitive & tacky.

#82 Elisa: I wish your "research" actually extended to reading the foundational texts of Islam, and learning the history of its prophet.

If people are compelled to be more like Jesus or Bhudda, more power to them. Means a better world for us all. Those compelled to be more like Muhammed will have to become robbers, warlords, torturers, liars and rapists. This is Muhammed's undisputed history. This isn't something he rose above, it was something he became while his god smiled upon his atrocities.

If you had the barest understanding of the documents and messages of Christianity and Islam, there is no way you would make such claims. Why you feel compelled to comment on something you haven't even bothered to read up on (while saying you researched it) is beyond me.

The Koran is as safe and peaceful as Mein Kampf, or any other screed that demands genocide. There were peaceful Germans in the 30s and 40s of course. Just as there are peaceful Muslims today. That doesn't mean the two ideologies aren't evil to the core. That you rush to defend such blood-drenched bigotry and hatred is something I can't explain, but it's troubling to say the least.

...continuing my previous analogy...

And sometimes you can't help but to get angry when said monkey begins to throw said feces in the direction of someone you care deeply about and are very proud of.

But you're right. Fools will be fools, to heck with 'ye old grey liar'.

Elisa (#90),

Thus, I am not open to the citing of isolated verses to discredit Islam.

Could we use murderers shouting "allah Akbar" to discredit islam?

Probably no cuz they would be "radicals" right?

How about current islam's most scholarly and respected imams claiming the right of muslims to kill infidels? Could we use that to denounce islam?

And since you're unable to cite jack shit as to page and verse, do you think that I'm BSing you too?

#84 Lightning-Man

Let me be clear. Islam is a death cult, aiming for total world domination, using religious babble to justify their actions. A Muslim is a 'slave for Allah', and is taught not to question, not to think. "Kill the Infidels wherever you find them" is considered true for all time - past, present and future as the word of Allah.

The fact that some Muslims do not act on the basic Koranic principles means nothing, since their very presence enables the 'activists' to begin their threats and assassinations under the protection of demography.

Muslims must either leave Islam or be expelled from the West.

Ethelred - questioningIslam@yahoo.com

Rallying the troops General Zarqawi?

Zarqawi Eggs On Fallujah Fighters

An audiotape purportedly made by Al Qaeda-linked terror suspect Abu Musab al-Zarqawi encouraged his fighters in Fallujah and said victory was near.

See that's why Zarqawi ran away like a little girl to Jordan, because "victory is near".

But let's all remember it's only fucked-uped radicals intentionally misinterpreting the over-all peaceful intent of the koran.

"As for you heroes of Islam in Fallujah, praise for your Jihad [which is an inward struggle for peacfulness.], praise for your nation, praise for your religion. [Have] one hour's patience, and then you will see the results," the speaker said after identifying himself as al-Zarqawi.

"Rejoice my nation. There is no doubt that God's victory is on the horizon," the speaker said, adding a challenge to "the Americans to show the truth of what goes on on the battleground."

Hey Elisa care to take a stab at which "nation" Zarqawi is referring to in "Rejoice my nation"? Hint: it's not a free and democratic Iraq.

Don't be too hard on Elisa.

Her feelings and knowledge about Islam is par for the course in our 'tolerant', politically correct society.

Be aware, Elisa, that Islam and Muslims have more privileges in America than they give to other religions and peoples in Saudi Arabia (that land of the two holy places - Mecca and Medina).

Listen not to the bleatings of Muslims here in this country. Look over there for the real Islam, the Islam that is raising its ugly head in Holland, the Islam that killed Theo Van Gogh and Daniel Pearl, that shows beheadings on its websites, that raises children to hate.

Ethelred - questioningIslam@yahoo.com

#90 Elisa and Ethelred

I grew up without Islam and I am fine. It is possible to live life without Islam. I will not accept that I have to study and understand Islam so that I can better engage them peacefully. That has been done by others in the past. And others in the past have engaged them with the sword. Either way, I don't need to understand a religion that results in the hate I see in the Arab world. If they cannot live in the world then they will find themselves at a disadvantage. I have spoken out against Islam in my church, in my family, in my aquaintances, and here. As long as I am doing that I am doing my duty to my own conscience. If I see Islam gaining ground, finding safe haven in the US and anywhere else in the world, I will redouble my efforts. If I lived in Michigan where laws have been passed allowing the call to prayer to be broadcast, I would be fighting with every legal means necessary to stop them. I will not stop, I will not relent, I will continue to oppose everything there is associated with Islam as a religion, government, cult.

#100 metroman

We are on the same side.

As an aside, how can you speak out against Islam without knowing something about it?

Islam IS gaining ground here and in Europe, so start redoubling.

Ethelred

The cockroaches scurry:

Most of the remaining attacks by insurgents inside Fallujah have been on Marines blocking the roads and bridges leaving the city, reports show. Marines have returned fire killing numerous insurgents trying to escape, officers here said.

Looks like we're having keeping the "true believers" honest:

Troops have cut off all roads and bridges leading out of the city. Relatively few residents have sought to get through, but officers here say they fear a larger exodus.

On Wednesday, a crowd of 225 people surged south out of Fallujah toward the blocking positions of the Marines' 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion. The Marines let 25 women and children pass but separated the 200 military-age men and forced them to walk back into Fallujah.

Fight or "submit" you cowardly fucks.

Stop ganging up on Elisa. She's on your side. Or at least she was. I understand the depth to which you believe Islam itself is to blame for Islamofascism and so does she. Just because she is not willing to decry Islam doesn't mean she believes it is a RoP. Growing out of what I said earlier, it is irrelevant why they want to kill us. What is important is that they want to kill us. What is necessary is killing them until they change their minds. It that means killing every last one, then that's what it means. But it is certainly not wrong to hope that it doesn't take that.

One last entry on this.

Ali Sina (www.faithfreedom.org) strongly believes that exposing Islam is the way to kill it. Yes, we must fight those that ACTIVELY try to kill us, but those that are peaceful give tacit approval by not speaking out, and by lying when talking about Islam in schools, etc.

I am NOT calling for machine guns to kill every Muslim in Dearborn or Hamtramck Michigan. What I am saying is that Islam, and hence Muslims, cannot be assimilated, and we should not try.

I only know what I have learned in the past 3+years after 9/11. I am eternally grateful to LGF for the enlightenment that has been presented here. I also am indebted to other blog sites. I read this blog daily. I have found that it is not biased other than in revealing what really is going on. The LLL camp believe that Islam can peacefully coexist with the rest of the world. I believe otherwise not because of what I have read here, but based upon the actions of Arabs around the globe. Actions speak louder than words. And so I will take broader and bolder action. If I end up dead because my free speech rights are trampled then I will have died defending freedom.

Every communication that I have seen from radical Islam is logically corrupt. So I will fight them at every turn.

Last gasps from the old gray whore.

Elisa:

Silence = consent.

If every Friday afternoon, the Pope called for the destruction of all "non-believers" and broadcast it to millions across the world, and Catholics across the globe remained silent, they would all indeed be complicit in hate.

And should thousands and millions of followers heed the words of that religious leader, killing thousands of "infidels" each year, and Catholics across the globe remained silent, they would all indeed be complicit in murder.

Each week, for many years, islamic leaders do exactly this from Mecca and Medina each Friday.

And the "mainstream" muslims remain mute.

Silence = consent.

I have stopped making excuses as to why people might remain silent.  I now don't care why they are silent.

Silence = consent.
 

When expectations of your future is lowered, and the need to reorganize IS "imminent", then what you need is a KOStcutter.

John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, Jerrold Nadler of New York and Robert Wexler of Florida

Is this a critique of "The Three Stooges?" Is that where the theory of the circling AWACs that were
playing electronic voting booths like pinball machines?

/sarc-off

Sorry for error. Is that where the theory of the
circling AWACs that were playing electronic voting booths like pinball machines came from?

My bad

Did anyone notice that the Swift Boat Vets, with substantial evidence and testimony, were not considered reliable or newsworthy for the MSM? But notice that a SPAM campaign by L3 conspiracy theorists, lacking any verifiable complaints of evidence, manages to make major news on pretty much all TV stations and several other MSM sources.

Sounds like, "It's not what you say, it's if I agree with you."

Supplementing my post at #37, I'm pleased to report that, in the article in which the CBS West Coast producer was fired for cutting into the last few minutes of CSI: New York to "break" the news of Arafat's death, the last line of the article says:

"CBS News has been under intense scrutiny since veteran anchor Dan Rather ran a controversial report on President Bush's military record based on documents whose authenticity came under fire."

Charles, you definitely the Man!!!

This is only a test, to see if the password I re-entered is the correct one. If it it, you will see this comment. If it is not, then I've got a problem.

;-)

Bingo!!!