The MSM lies what else is news

LOL. ddd, do you have friends in high places? ;)

My experience with french health care:

I had a cold, the doctor tells me:

1: Take a hat, and a bottle of cognac.
2: Lie down and ut the hat on your feet.
3: Start drinking the cognac.

When you see TWO hats, you're better!

If Arafat did, indeed, die of AIDS, I'm betting the media is never going to come clean and admit it! He's still their hero, and they won't want to tarnish his image in the Moslem world.

Arafat has AIDS/AIDS AIDS AIDS! [/Team America World Police Soundtrack]

All hospital patient wear latex gloves.
Thon
My arthritis acts up and I make a lot of typo when I try to type fast.

#6 ddd

Should I go for the Doctor, it hurts when I do this joke ... ?

I think what we have here is part hero worship and part fear of losing their access. The MSM, for the most part, considered Arafat a great man, if not a revolutionary leader. Those that don't are afraid that, should they go forward and question/assert that Arafat had AIDS, they'll lose their access to the "disputed territories" and actually run the risk of being actively hunted by enraged jihadis.

I also get the feeling that Suha knows exactly what happened and would spill the beans for the right price and a promise of anonymity. Then again, part of her agreement with the PLO might've been to keep her yap shut in order to prevent Arafat's image from being "tarnished."

Mystery continues to surround his illness and death.

We are seeing something historic. The history books will record this charade as the MSM continue to deny and obscure the obvious conclusion that AIDS may have killed him. Why? To protect the Pal movement and all of radical jihadist Islam.

Devout Islam's punishment for homosexuality is death. For this reason the MSM is lying about Arafat's possible AIDS.

The particular history books that will be most interested are the ones that deal with psychology. The MSM is literally bending over backwards [forward?] to protect people who despise them and want to kill them.

The question for future generations is "Is it perversity, or is it dhimmitude?"

ddd-

Do you need us to send you some white raisins & gin?

Listening to the soundtrack now
Arafat has AIDS!
AIDS AIDS AIDS!
AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS!
Arafat has AIDS!

And so this is the end of our story
And everyone is dead from AIDS
It took from me my best friend
My only true pal
My only bright star (he died of AIDS)

Well I'm gonna march on Washington
Lead the fight and charge the brigades
There's a hero inside of all of us
I'll make them see Arafat has AIDS

My father (AIDS!)
My sister (AIDS!)
My uncle and my cousin and her best friend (AIDS AIDS AIDS!)
The gays and the straights
And the white and the spades

Arafat has AIDS!
My grandma and my dog 'ol blue (AIDS AIDS AIDS)
The mullah has got it and so do you (AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS)
C'mon everybody we got quilting to do (AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS)
We gotta break down these baricades, everyone has
AIDS! x 20

French Health Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy said that there was no reason to suspect that French hospitals are little more than euthanasia morgues.

I think the Philippe Douste-Blazy aught to be a little more concerned that the palestinian don't start to believe the French poisoned him.

are the fwench sick or what?!

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Nov. 13, 2004 15:12 | Updated Nov. 14, 2004 13:15
French consider naming streets after Arafat
By MICHEL ZLOTOWSKI

Several French municipalities governed by communist and left-wing majorities are considering naming a street or a square after Yasser Arafat.

The French police intelligence service, Renseignements Generaux, reportedly warned the Ministry of Interior that such initiatives might trigger heated polemics and tensions between Jews and Muslims, especially neighborhoods ridden by ethnic violence.

In several suburban cities near Paris and Lyons governed by communist mayors, large Muslim and Jewish populations live side by side.

A simple blood test, available around the world, would have determined if he was poisoned. It would have been very bad for Israel if he was found to have been helped along to his 72 virgins.

If they needed confirmation they could have shipped an ounce of his blood to the US or most anywhere, we would have analyzed it pro-bono.

So their reluctance to release a blood sample, make public what tests where done, or even perform any tests, indicates he was infected with something they didn't want to make public.

Similarly, if Israel had intended to kill Arafat we could have done so with a hellfire missile many years ago while he banged his buddy Mustafa in the Muqtada.

Hey that sounds like a good movie about Arafat! "Bangin' Mustafa in the Muqtada".

#9 Luigi

It is possible for heterosexuals to get AIDS as well if they are promiscuous.

OT -

Don't know much about James Carville, but he let loose this rip on Meet the Press:

"The only member of the U.S. government that I know of with a Man-date is McGreevy"

Don't worry it's not an airborne strain.

/But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

It is possible for heterosexuals to get AIDS as well if they are promiscuous.

This is true, although Arafat certainly didn't get it from bangin' Suha. :-/

It's hard to know which disease is more dangerous; AIDS or islam.
AIDS just might cure Africa of islam.

The French are liers.

Arafat is not dead!

When Arafat died the one that died was born in Jerusalem.

[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

F***king French A***holes.

14 Globular Cluster:

Hey that sounds like a good movie about Arafat! "Bangin' Mustafa in the Muqtada".

"Muqtada"...? Is that what the kids today are calling it? Bootie, junk, back passage--I wish they'd decide on a single word for butt.

These kids today, with their clothes and their hair...

/end nostalgia for the good old days

Please keep the AIDS suggestion going. It will drive the Car Swarm People crazy.

Er...crazier.

"strangely reluctant".

LMAO! Charles gets the understatement of the year award. Too funny :)

Slightly OT:
Arafat and the C.I.A.
A WaPo article by David (Ignominious) Ignatius.

Some interesting historical data. Ignatius is a toad of the short forest but this piece has some real info from when he worked for a living as opposed to inflicting his festering, ablutionary opinions on an unsuspecting public.

One of the more improbable chapters in the life of Yasser Arafat was his wink-and-nod understanding with the CIA. In secret, Arafat for the past 30 years allowed his top intelligence officers to maintain regular contact with the agency -- even as he publicly continued his defiant and ultimately fruitless quest for a Palestinian state.

#20

Really awful comment IMHO.

If Arafat had been poisoned in the last three years, who could have done it? His only visitors have been EU politicians and the founder of ISM. Musta been one of them.

Did the last french visitor to Arafat bring him a bottle of wine?

#22 jwpaine

You're a pain in the muqtada.

Ok, how 'bout this headline instead:

"Life in the Muqtada Ends with a Bang (and a Whimper)"

James Lileks lead off his Bleat on Friday with a great one

Our paper had this headline: “Enduring Symbol of Palestine Dies.” Personally, I’m old school. I’d go with something, oh, factual, like “ARAFAT DEAD.” Hard to argue. Hard to find bias. I don’t know what would be satisfying, really. “Goaty Old Fiend Expires, Loses Power, Fortune, Bowel Control; Fills Room with Odor of Offal and Urine” would put people off their breakfast, I suppose. I am content to know he is not in Hell. Nope. Arafat did not go to Hell. He boards the ferry, yes; he makes it halfway across the River Styx, yes. Then the ferry blows up. Ten times a day for eternity. For a start.

Clean up on aisle 20.

OT: The Al-Aksa Martyrs' Brigades have inaugurated a new missle capable of hitting the Israeli city of Ashkelon named the "Yasser 1." Arafat lives on.

DCMC

A Muslim American Patriot...an oxymoron
Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and loyal citizen?
Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon God of Arabia.
Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran.
Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically, no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam--intolerance (Quran, 2:256)
Intellectually, no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles, and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically, no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot coexist.
Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually, no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as our heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

What part of this does anyone not understand?

OT (already?):

Ads to Back Schwarzenegger for President

This story--and the movement behind it, continues to gain traction. Frightening, I think. Not that I dislike Ahnode, but rules is rules for a reason. Anybody think it'll actually make it to the amendment stage?

#13, zygazint: French consider naming streets after Arafat

Maybe they can pick a street with an abattoir on it. Or one with butcher shops that still hang up freshly slaughtered pigs in their windows. Or a rendering plant.

The possibilities are endless.

Lay off the AIDS jokes.

Arafat (off unblessed memory) was popular enough with the homosexual lobby without proving conclusively he was a fellow traveler

Let's see now,the fwench have done what great medical feats since Pasteur?

Arafish killed Arafish by his own actions.

If he would have seriously renounced terrorism and accepted Oslo,Camp David etc. he wouldn't have been restricted to Ramallah and could have lived a healthier lifestyle.

More good news.
The Arafarts are dropping like flies.

(IsraelNN.com) Reports from Cairo state that Dr. Fathi Arafat, Yasser Arafat’s brother, has died of cancer at the age of 77. He was the director of the Red Crescent Society.

Who wants candy ?

#15 krazy

There are claims from the old Romanian secret police they secretly videotaped Arafat ... Lt. Gen Ion Pacepa

"I just called the microphone monitoring center to ask about the 'Fedayee,'" Arafat's code name, explained Munteaunu. "After the meeting with the Comrade, he went directly to the guest house and had dinner. At this very moment, the 'Fedayee' is in his bedroom making love to his bodyguard. The one I knew was his latest lover. He's playing tiger again. The officer monitoring his microphones connected me live with the bedroom, and the squawling almost broke my eardrums. Arafat was roaring like a tiger, and his lover yelping like a hyena."

Arafat 'marries' for the first time at age 66 to su-HHAA and has one chile (also suffering from a 'blood disorder') who he never lives with.

Jaysus, Michael Jackson is more heterosexual than Arafat!

#13 zygazint

HOLY CRAP! How evil get those Francoweenies get?

Maybe they should just name a boulevard "We Love Dead Jews", or "Allahu Akbar" instead.

#38, Darleen: "...Arafat was roaring like a tiger, and his lover yelping like a hyena.

What sort of noise does a sexually aroused camel make?

You're a pain in the muqtada.

Well, at leasst with the advent of this new vernacular, I can honestly say I've never heard that one before.

I have read that video exists of wild orgies with Arafat and his boy bodyguards, playing ride 'im cowboy. He could not get AIDS from heterosexual sex--he didn't even bother with his wife for years on end. Does the leftist media believe it would be shameful for hs having died from AIDS? Are they saying homosexuality is something to be ashamed of, only if you are a muslim? Why can't they celebrate like they did with McGreevey? Hypocrites!

Yesterday someone pointed out that one of his aids (no pun intended) pulled his hand away sharply when Arafat wanted to kiss it. I had seen that movement but had not attributed it to a fear of AIDS... but it is a pretty good speculation. After all, these guys are always lining up for kisses, why would one pull his hand away while Arafat is being filmed in his last moments in Ramallah? Apparently this man had his doubts.
C.

Charles?

Trolltrash in aisle #20!

Eventually Suha Arafat demanded that no further statements be issued. She has taken court action to prevent access of visitors to her husband or release of his medical records, and turned down an offer to release his medical records in exchange for a reported two million dollars

So (Suha) show me the money turns down money. 20 million a year in hush money is a lot more than 1 time payment of $2,000,000. Of course with thedecline in US dollar Suha may have to ask for more.

At some point, information from his records will seep out to the public. I have no doubt about that.

#14

Hey that sounds like a good movie about Arafat! "Bangin' Mustafa in the Muqtada".

Sounds like a good band name, too.

If Suha is being paid hush money, how much longer does she expect to live? She's not blackmailing girl scouts here.

The press won't even acknowledge that Arafat ran a hamasexual baathhouse, let alone that he died of AIDs.

# 13 zygazint

This surprises you? I wouldn't be surprised to see some cities in Israel name streets after the mamzer. Tel Aviv being one of them...

# 14 Globular Cluster

I recall reading somewhere on this blog that a blood test was sent to the US. But the results were never released.

# 36 TotallySirius

Arafat engaged in his dangerous sexual behavior long before he was locked up in the Mukhata. Read Cescesau's security chief's memoirs.

What he could have done for himself - and his people - was to use at least a small portion of the billions of aid money he has received from Eurabia to build decent hospitals that could actually administer the drugs that prolong the lives of those with AIDS.

OT

German software company realeses game centred around 9/11 and other disasters

Sickening.

Arafat Killed My Son-article from Jerusalem Post.

Poignant sentence about his legacy being best remembered one grave at a time :(

"I was not personally acquainted with the files either as a doctor or as health minister," he admitted.

But...

"I can tell you it appears nothing in the medical files indicated that there might have been... poisoning,

I never saw the files, however I know what the files say: Bull$hit...

He died of AIDS...

#26, #30
I'm terribly sorry to have offended you by comparing the disease of AIDS with the disease of islam.
How could any reasonable person make such an outlandish comparison ?
I really need to be more sensitive and politically correct.

Arafart, Osama, Zarqawi are merely symptoms of the disease we call islam. Alleviating symptoms will make a suffering patient feel better but it will not cure him.

Ooops... I did it again. I must remember it is not acceptable to despise islam.

#57

What is offensive is suggesting that a disease wiping out the population of Africa is a good thing. Get it?

While we're on the subject of denial and delusion:

Dr. Sanity has updated her article of August 2004 on Psychological Defense Mechanisms with examples from post-11/3.

Plus, there's a lovely photo of Msdmes. Arafat and Clinton that you'll all want to see...

I like the CBC saying that Arafat was The Palistinian first leader how about, The Mufti they are such nice picture of him with Hitler, Himmler and his SS division.

“It is quite possible that he was poisoned because they (the Israelis) have poisoned others. I cannot tell you that, medically, we have any proof,” she said.

Whadda cochon.

OT

Seems there was an attempt to assassinate Abu Mazen in Gaza.

WriterMom, Carl, Reginleif

I am SO fed up with world grief for this consummate POS. I just want people to read the PLO/Hamas Charters- like the fecking Presbyterians who are following thru on their divestment campaign of Israel- it is SO wrong. I am just incredibly sick and tired of world appeasement for Islam.
Going offline now.

#37 Muck Head

Do you know anything about Arafat's brother? Common parentage with a monster is not cause for condemnation. Unless he's personally responsible for the horrors his brother perpetrated (or others of his own), then his death does not call for celebration.

Of course, based on your other comment in this thread, I wouldn't expect common human compassion from you.

Leave it to the French, those swine, to cover for the world's oldest Jew-killer. They make me sick.

#40 - sounds like the shades of "things to come." And we thought Democrats were out of control during the run-up to the Presidential election... imagine what's going to happen in "Palestine." Barghouti may win by default, as he might be the only one left alive come "election day."

...and already, the pressure's up on Israel to "ease up" on the Palis so they can elect a new homicidal maniac to orchestrate the killing. Better alert the funeral homes in Israel at the same time; we all know that "easing up on Pali humilation" means "more dead Jews."

#62 snooze

They may have merely been mourners who were unaware that the proper trajectory for funeral gunfire is vertical, not horizontal.

#13 zygazint

So the French are going to name streets and sqares after Arafat, uh? Their perversity knows no boundaries. What's next? Bin Laden Boulevards? Hitler Library of National History?

O.k, we know Arafish was gay and the only thing that makes sense to me is that since his bodyguards and close advisors have had to know this for a long time and went against Muslim doctrine in not killing him, then the only reason Arafish declared to be a fundamental Muslim is purely for the blood of so called infidels. The man was hungry for blood and used whatever he could to taste as much as he could.

Do you know anything about Arafat's brother?

Yes.

He was the director of the Red Crescent Society.

Red cresent ambulances have been used to get suicide bombers thru israeli checkpoints.

LLL's always talk about understanding the culture of the arabs. But if we really do, we might decide that the best tactic is to wipe out a whole family male line in response to a suicide attack. Hold the entire klan responisble for the actions of each of its members.

Charles... re: #57 ...also note the nom de board

I call a particularly loathesome form of Moby

Can the French prove it wasn't voodoo? Chirac better shape up.

A

#64 wateshay

Here, I found a clue for you.

The particular history books that will be most interested are the ones that deal with psychology. The MSM is literally bending over backwards [forward?] to protect people who despise them and want to kill them.

It's a combination of both, I think--fear of getting killed mixed with adoration of the noble savage.

Well looks like Hamas/Hezbollah/AAMB/AlQaeda/Tunisian Palistinians tried to vote early and often in trying to punch Queria and Mazen.

Can you feel all the love in the room?

#69

Ok,

1) I am not "defending" Arafat's brother. I don't know anything about him other than that he was the president of the Red Crescent Society, was a pediatrician, and served on the boards for a bunch of different groups. A quick google search didn't implicate or absolve him of any direct involvement in terrorism. If he was responsible for terrorist murderers, then I'm glad he's dead, just as I'm glad Arafat is dead.

2) Stooping to the animalistic level of Arab culture (i.e. wiping out the whole male line for one person's actions) might be an effective tactic in the short term. Long term, though, it will just lead to a perpetual cycle of revenge and death. The only chance we have of bringing them out of their violent medieval culture is to kill the animals and treat the innocents as human beings, using our values, not theirs.

Arawho? - I've forgotten him already.

Onto the next act in the palestinian farce.

Palestinian election date named

And from the increasingly comical BBC a whitewash of the main contenders.

Candidates

MARWAN BARGHOUTI

He was a strong backer of the Oslo peace accords and opposed attacks on Israeli civilians inside Israel. After the start of the current intifada in 2000, he became more militant.

He now backs Mr Sharon's Gaza disengagement plan, describing it as a great achievement of the intifada.

But from the linked page
Profile: Marwan Barghouti

While rejecting the Oslo peace process , Barghouti has spoken against attacks on civilians inside Israel

He was for Oslo before he was against it?

It would be funny like Kerry, but soberingly people's lives are immediately on the line here.

It would be very wrong for anyone to start a rumor that Arafat was posioned by tainted Fench wine, and that whole vineyards in rance have toxic contaminated grapes and that the french government is covering it up. Just wrong, as that could ruin a whole industry in france. Just wrong. Do they still crush the grapes with their festering sore covered bare feet?

let us damn the French with faint praise- at least they didn't agree with the Palestinians' false accusation.

It will take a year and then some Frech Dr. who was involved in treating "Mr. Palestine" will fess up and the world will know what really killed Arafat.

# 72 Hi Thom

Reading that article you linked to, makes me speculate whether Fathi really died of a platelet deficiency, or whether someone is trying to make up a story about the Arafat family having a heriditary deficiency of platelets, to cover up the real cause of Yassir's death.

OT:

CNN Reports: Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas escapes gunfire inside mourning tent for Yasser Arafat in Gaza, but 2 killed, sources say. Details soon.

OT: The excellent Michael Oren weighs in on Arafat's death: Arafat Without Tears: The Terrorist Statesman Took Peace Nowhere

...Arafat's seeming rehabilitation served to divert Israel's attention from his increasingly calamitous policies in the territories. In addition to pocketing the hundreds of millions of dollars contributed by Israel and the world community for the social and economic development of his people, Arafat openly encouraged Palestinians to reject a Jewish state within any borders and to actively seek its destruction. While Israeli textbooks were being rewritten to educate future generations for peace, stressing the plight of the Palestinian refugees, Palestinian schoolbooks were extolling the glories of martyrdom and the valor of suicide bombers.

#14--watershed--aids is transmitted into the bloodstream through anal sex-- obviously aidsafat was a catcher as well as a pitcher--so perhaps the song title should reflect this physical fact --may i suggest--"banging aidsafat in the al asqua"

I say we take bets on who survives until Jan 9. We may have a whole slew of new candidates by then. Who knows, Barghouti may get shanked in prison. It should be fun to watch.

Mahmoud Abbas just nearly died from high-velocity lead poisoning.

#80

I wish the world would step up and pressure the Palestinians to elect someone who'll truly work for peace. I fear, though, that the world will say nothing, and then justify whoever they do end up electing, however bad that person may be.

reuters reports--the iranian black turbans have folded--won't enrich uranium--at least not in the light of day--report filed by correspondent tuchas taquiyya al-kitman

This is hilarious!

Israeli TV may have a clue as to how Arafat was infected

(click on the link that mentions Israeli TV in the above Swedish language page and turn on your audio)

jeez--mohammid dahlen was in the tent with abbas--they are fucking with the wrong guy--expect some retaliatory bomb candy for eid

horribly OT - The sharks are closing in for the kill. Trial attorneys for EdWad surely won't miss-a-lick looking for suits to make up for the bad bets. Union officials funneled workers’ forced-dues dollars to candidates through America Coming Together (ACT) group and Democrat National Committee

The National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation today filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) against the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) for unlawful electioneering with workers’ dues during this fall’s elections.

The complaint alleges that SEIU union officials handed over tens of millions of dollars of workers’ forced union dues through a so-called “527” political organization called America Coming Together (ACT). Some of those funds were, in turn, spent illegally to finance political campaigns through the Democrat National Committee (DNC).

ACT was the second largest 527 contributor to the Kerry election strong-box.

Maybe this should be filed under '10 easy steps in reclaiming lost campaign contributions.'

Here we go: Abbas survives assassination attempt.

Let the festivities begin! It's revolution time!

#79 # 17

I'm just LMAO at the fact that the Arafat's seem to have a propensity for dying for reasons unknown to 21st century medical science ...

Gawd what a joke these people are ...

Wateshay

The only ones who get pressured in this situation are the Israeli's, the Pali's get a free pass every time.

# 92 Yes, but its a pity their father didn't die before he married.

Come on people, this AIDS thing is crazy. Let's just assume he had HIV, arafat is a billionaire, he could afford the drugs and nobody would have had to know about it. Old men die, even terrorists. Looks like he had leukemia or something like that,and they're keeping the cause of death a mystery so that palestinians and other arabs can always keep the possibility open that Israel poisoned him, so they can have their people continue to be full of hate, rather than tdeal with with their fucked up governance.

I know that People of Color (TM) everywhere are in solidarity with the Palestinians. Who wouldn't? The Pal leadership are the whitest guys I know.
Erekat
Qureia
Abbas
Shaath

Statisically Arafat probably died at about the same rate as all 75 year olds who enter hospitals in France. Its bad enough here with what, 200,000 each year dying from screw ups. Probably gave him some Vioxx.

#58
You're right.
The idea of a disease wiping out the entire population of Africa or any other continent is indeed a horrific thought.
But for some reason the idea of a disease eradicating islam is very appealing to me. In fact I find myself consistently rooting for the most dire, calamitous, and catastrophic events to beset the islamic world and by extension all muslims. I guess I've just accepted that alot of horrible things are going to have to happen before islam becomes a bad memory.

The complaint alleges that SEIU union officials handed over tens of millions of dollars of workers’ forced union dues through a so-called “527” political organization called America Coming Together (ACT). Some of those funds were, in turn, spent illegally to finance political campaigns through the Democrat National Committee (DNC).

As public school teachers, my parents were forced to join the brotherhood. The garbage that the NEA/WEA (state branch) spent their money on. It's quite a scam. You want to teach, you have to join the union. And the union takes your money and spends it on things many teachers find offensive.

With conservative political groups, membership is generally voluntary (NRA, pro-family groups, chamber of commerces).

This opinion may not be agreeable to some here but the fact that Palestinian terrorists are trying to assassinate Mahmoud Abbas tells me that out of all the realistic choices for a new president he seems to be the one most likely to actually chnage things for the better.

#93

No argument form me on that one. I'm a huge optimist, but I don't hold out much hope on this one.

Blaming the Jews for things comes so naturally to many Europeans and Arabs that they fall for every anti-Israel/pro-Palestine theory they hear. Sadly, most of these people aren't "bad people." They just truly believe that the Israelis are the bad guys, and have no reference point to believe otherwise.

(Of course, don't get me wrong, there are plenty who know better and still propagate the lies---without them you wouldn't have the lies in the first place.)

I think it is very important that all the LLLs who osposed BUsh support the palestinians this coming summer by giving free concerts on the west bank and gaza. Starting with Bruce Springstein.

Sen Lugar on CNN wolf-the-clueless-moonbat. Lugar represents the reason republicans lost for years and has NO CLUE what leadership means...

I SO wish he would retire...

The old go-along to get-along country-club repugs of the distant past...

He actually imtimated the Israeli's should consider releasing MARWAN BARGHOUTI from prison because MARWAN BARGHOUTI doesn't recognize the Israeli laws under which he was convicted...

What an embarrasment to the republican party he must be of french desent...

house cleaning time...

101 Ploome

It's the spoof of Arafat kissing the Greek Orthodox monk, it's been linked to before on here.

101, it works for me.

Click on it and then click on the big fat link in the middle of the post that says "Israelisk TV".

Off topic, but Drudge has information on Arafat's financial dealings:

Last year auditors discovered Arafat was guilty of skimming $2 million a month from the gasoline trade in the territories, TIME reports...

People familiar with Arafat’s finances say the Palestinian leader sent Suha $200,000 a month out of the Palestinian Authority’s budget for the Office of the President. French authorities are investigating transfers of $15 million from Swiss banks to Paris accounts in Suha’s name at the Arab Bank and at BNP Paribas Bank, a French bank, TIME reports.

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

108,

Yeah, it seems Arafat has his own male lil' Monica Lewinsky.

...had...

When it comes to liberal causes the MSM all ways does their part by keeping their mouth shut on embarrassing issues. Bush was hounded on the TANG issue; while nary a question was asked about Kerry’s Christmas in Cambodia after the SBVT came out of the closet with the facts. The same is true of the Palestinian/Muslim causes that are held so dear to the MSM. Only the blogs have the nerve to investigate Arafat’s death, and report factually. I doubt that the blogs have the resources to the job. This will go down in history as a mystery, but we all know that the only reason to keep the cause of death secret is the embarrassment of Arafat’s homosexuality to the Palestinian and Muslim community.

#104

It's weird. There seems to be an undercurrent out there that says the U.S. supports Israel releasing Barghouti. I'm not sure why, though. Everything I've seen of him makes him look more dangerous than Arafat (or at the very least, as dangerous).

Lugar has never been a firebrand, but neither has he been a moonbat. I'm from IN, and have heard him speak on several occasions, and his support for our current aggressive attack on terrorism has been pretty strong. I'm really kind of wondering if he knows something we don't---that seems like a really stupid reason for suggesting that Barghouti be released, which doesn't seem in character for him.

On the other hand, he is getting up there in years. Maybe he's just starting to lose it. Senility and Liberalism are sometimes indistinguishable.

In the meantime, you have news propaganda organizations like Reuters refusing to use "terrorist" because that imposes "opinion" but will describe Abbas and Qurei as "moderates."

#54 American Infidel

I've read about it on an Israeli portal about 3 years ago. I assume they publish it only now in America due to the dog's death.

You will notice the same people who call Abbas and Queri as moderates, call Sharon Right wing. Do you also notice, no one is "Left Wing", Abbas is a holocaust denier and Queri is a long time confidant of Arafart. All have said they will NOT disband Hamas and the others. So what's new?

#95 suntory--c'mon --suha is the most well paid "beard" since elizabeth taylor "walked" for malcolm forbes

OT

Breaking News (FOX): Iran Agrees to Suspend Uranium Enrichment Program

I could care less who is gay/bisexual and who is not.

Knowledge is the great enabler. If anyone hasn't read it, here's a link to the Hamas Charter- [Link: www.yale.edu...]

Article 8. Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief.

...and they say malcolm forbes died of aids too--whoever they are

#104 dustyroadguy,

I second that. Lugar is a disgrace. Worst of all, he kept agreeing with that idiot Levin.

#118 Sean II

Breaking News (FOX): Iran Agrees to Suspend Uranium Enrichment Program

I feel so much better now. I am sure they mean what they say and wouldn't lie, would they?

/sarcasm off

#88 The Viking

Please! I was just about to have dinner. (I'll have fun circulating that URL at work tomorrow tho :-)

OT,

Bloggers Mohammed, Ali and Omar celebrate freedom, and the first anniversary of Iraq The Model, with some choice words for the MSM:

I used to watch the media presenting the false image all the time and then I would want to scream out loud:
This is not the whole truth, this isn’t right . You’re overlooking a great deal of the truth and you’re not presenting the feelings of the love that exists; those feelings that are stronger than weapons and politics and are stronger than the hatred you’re trying to spread.
Mohammed

I know that many people look at our writings with suspicion and disbelieve sometimes. Most of these people are misguided by the huge flow of lies or half-truths from the MSM and I don’t blame them, as how can anyone know what’s happening thousands of miles away without depending on the media!? actually they’re the people we are trying to reach because we know that most people are smart and honest enough to distinguish the truth from propaganda. But again there are those who were born free and don’t appreciate the gift they have received and the slaves who have come to love the walls of their prison and can’t see life in a different light. These are the people who simply can’t understand our joy and enthusiasm, and the only logical explanation to them would be that we, and people like us are propaganda tool. We long for the day when these people can appreciate freedom, and then we will be brothers and sisters again.
Ali

This is a big day for me but I don’t think I can express my feelings well as I’m overwhelmed with emotions. As a matter of fact, this occasion is more important to me than my own birthday.
Thinking of what we’ve done together on this blog makes me feel proud and gives me hop for the future.

Now we strongly believe that being optimistic in the darkest times is not something to be ashamed of. It can help us override the obstacles we’re facing no matter how huge they may seem and doesn’t mean that we’re dreamers because our optimism is based on beliefs and facts that do exist but are unfortunately not recognized by the MSM and many governments and parties that are either ignorant or have a similar agenda to that of the tyrant we lived under for decades.
Omar

Meanwhile, Iraqi blogger Hammorabi has a wrapup on the Fallujah operation.

#116 American Infidel

I can understand why they didn't want to release these tapes during the ME peace process, but I don't understand why they didn't release it before. It happened in 1973, so why they kept it a secret?

suntory_boss (#95)

Re: Arafat and AIDS, see here, here, and here.

#119 krazykounselor,

glad to see your back to your troll(ing) ways.

Arafat's gayness is indeed a non-issue.
What people here are complaining about is the MSM's hypocrisy on the issue.

Reporting about western gays like Mary Cheney is virtuous, while reporting about muslim gays is blasphemous.

It should not matter at all. I don't care that Mary Cheney is gay. I don't care that Yasser Arafat may have been gay. I don't care what celebreties are gay. Hell I don't even care that some of my friends are gay.

krazy-koun-sel-or

Ahhh, but you care if YOU are gay?...

# 119 krazykounselor

Your statement is all we need in order to know what your moral calibre is.

I am not gay, so I don't care.

I care that Arafat was gay -- it's one more lie he lived. And the fact that his illness is so "mysterious" makes me even more suspicious about him having had AIDS. The truth about Arafat needs to be exposed. He was corrupt to the core, his lying was pathological, and he duped the Palestinians for decades. He needs to be knocked off the pedestal they put him on. If this is what it takes, so be it. In the meantime they're trying to pin his "mysterious" illness on the Israelis and I'm sick of their propaganda and incitement against the Jews.

# 119 KK

Who cares what you care?

#130 krazykounselor

Just answer one question, why is it ok for non-Moslems to be gay but it's not ok for Moslems? Why the double standard?

krazy-con-sell-er

so if YOU were gay YOU would care?...

#136 Hila

I never said it mattered.

#119 krazykounselor

You have such a wonderful talent for missing the point.

This, however, was a brilliant entry on your waste of electrons "blog":

I need to join a band.

Brilliant!

I am not gay, so I don't care.

This is not about you. Grow up.

#129 HM

Reporting about western gays like Mary Cheney is virtuous, while reporting about muslim gays is blasphemous.

Absolutely spot-on. Why is it that any kind of unwelcome comment on Islam or its practitioners is considered offensive? I wish people in the MSM would read the Koran and the Hadiths and see them for what they are: the core text and the early history of a blood-cult.

#130 krazykounselor,

If it does not matter then the two Johns shouldn't have kept talking about it and people like you should have been complaining when they did talk about it. But instead you gave them your vote.
Talk about hypocrisy.

If poisoned, it's 31 years too late!!

On March 2, 1973, PLO terrorists acting on the orders of Yasser Arafat murdered two American diplomats (the Ambassador to the Sudan, Cleo A. Noel, Jr., and his deputy, George Curtis Moore) in Khartoum .

[Link: www.usainreview.com...]

#140 zulubaby

I wouldn't have addressed it if #132 Meir didn't bring it up.

I care because the media does not hesitate to report the Jews poisoned the SOB angle, but won't touch the fact that he died of AIDS. They's rather accuse innocents than tell the truth.

So now they're trying to kill Abbas. I wonder if Barghouti ordered the hit from his prison cell. It's going to take a lot more than Arafat's death for the Palestinians to change their thuggish ways.

"It was not an assassination attempt," Abbas, also known as Abu Mazen, later told reporters in his Gaza City office. "Emotions were high. There was random gunfire and pushing in the crowd."

Like hell it wasn't. Is the inability to tell the truth congenital?

The fearless international media, who normally dig like crazed gophers for every little bit of dirt they can find on world leaders (especially US world leaders), are strangely reluctant to ask the obvious question: did Arafat die of complications from HIV/AIDS?

I wonder whether the insurance companies have any (even indirect) control over content?

In just about every industry there are things that can't be done because the insurance companies say it carries too much risk, ordinary things, like hotels with swimming pools can't have divign boards, schools can't have sliding ponds or monkey bars. Somebody might get hurt, sue, and the insurance company might have to pay. Can't do it.

So... Doesn't it make sense that the insurance companies would say, "Whadda MEAN, you're gonna invite bombs and assasinations by saying the old fart died of AIDS?!!!"

#138 krazykounselor

What doesn't matter? The double standard?

Why the left on one hand fights for gays right and on the other hand they don't want the world to know that Arafat was gay, like it's something to be ashamed of?

THe fact that Arafat had sex with boys or young men is
important because arab society murders gays yet often practices "on the downlow"

what is ironic is that public regognition of arafat being either a pedaphile or simply gay (completely different) would be far worse for him in the muslim/arab world than the obvious fact that he lead his people into disasterous decisions again and again.

Arafat's being gay (not that there is anything wrong with that) is RELEVANT because arabs murder gays while Israel protects them.

Arafat repeatedly targeted jewish children to be murdered, and yet is regarded as a hereo in much of the world. Anything that works against that is good, particularly if it is the truth.

Also, Arafat was likely the boss of many he had sex with
SEXUAL HARRASSMENT! Where is that femisnist lawyer so the plo CAN BE SUED?

130 krazykounselor

Arafat was not merely 'gay'. He was a violent pedophile predator. Arafat had a young boy who spurned him castrated. He had euro male hookers on the payroll as 'bodyguards', and was manipulated, by his sexual appetites, into becoming a tool of the soviet union's KGB.

He yelled Jihad! as a pretend devout muslim, when those same muslims he was inciting routinely mutilate and kill homosexuals.

Outing his illness among his people and the rest of the arab world would have at least three salutory effects:

It would expose his duplicitous, lying nature, and demonstrate that he was a pedophilic sack of shit, not a leader worthy of respect.

It would force them to discuss issues such as homosexuality and AIDS, and perhaps serve as a small step in the direction of more open, accepting, societies that do not persecute on the basis of sexual irientation.

It would get Israel off of the blood libel hook being floated by arabs, that he was 'poisoned'.

Anyhow, you're a dickwad.

The above response was not written for your benefit, but to clarify for some too obtuse to see the issues why in fact is is a BIG DEAL to get this info out into the open (assuming it is true).

The gunmen, clad in green, shouted, "Abbas and Dahlan are agents for the Americans!"

Gunfire then popped through the tent. Abbas' bodyguards hustled him into a corner as frightened mourners scrambled over plastic chairs to flee.

Tell us again, Abbas, how it wasn't an assassination attempt.

"Emotions were high. There was random gunfire and pushing in the crowd."

A bad case of "premature bullet ejection?"

"It was not an assassination attempt," Abbas, also known as Abu Mazen, later told reporters in his Gaza City office. "Emotions were high. There was random gunfire and pushing in the crowd."

Yea, that's why two of his men were killed and several wounded. I also noted that the Yahoo news clip, quoting Reuters makes a convoluted attempt to say the men fired in the air, going out its way to make it seem like anything but it was. Its going to be interesting.

So Arafat and J Edgar had something in common after all...

#136 Hila

Just answer one question, why is it ok for non-Moslems to be gay but it's not ok for Moslems? Why the double standard?

Real simple...they throw their gays off the tops of buildings. We give ours spousal medical benefits.

#83 HULUGU 

obviously aidsafat was a catcher as well as a pitcher

What makes you think he was ever a "pitcher"?

#95 suntory_boss

 
Come on people, this AIDS thing is crazy ... Looks like he had leukemia or something like that...

Really? Who among the PA whores do you think would want to be the one to deliver the bad news to the 'fart? Or even go so far as to suggest he be tested for AIDS? And fyi, leukemia was ruled out, over and over.

"Gunmen clad in green" = Hamas.

Not HIV/AIDS, but

HCV, if not the HCC caused by HCV.

He had the pale yellowness of liver failure. His stomach was bloated. The low platlett count points to liver failure.

#155 nonic

You know, I never understood why the left defends the people who oppose the rights that the left itself is trying to promote. It makes no sense, it's twisted.

Krazy is just attempting to derail another thread...

It's ALWAYS all about HIM, don'tcha know??

#159 Hila

I can't speak for the entire left, but my motto is "I disagree with what you have said, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

You know, I never understood why the left defends the people who oppose the rights that the left itself is trying to promote. It makes no sense, it's twisted.

I agree. But their hatred of America is stronger then any other of their convictions.

I know a guy who occasionally travels to China, and goes on and on about how great of a country it is, how much better a country it is then here. Yet this is the same guy who constantly bitches about the Patriot Act and how evil Ashcroft is.

He's clueless about civil rights in China.

Amy Kellog on FOX:

There were gunmen who were apparently voicing their opinion

I don't know this chick from Eve... would she have a sarc tag or is she serious, and just trying to cover up the real deal?

So Arafat and J Edgar had something in common after all...

Actually the Hoover stuff is a myth created by an enemy, but that can be another thread. It's a good story for the Hoover haters, kind of like the false story about Ashcroft putting a blanket over the naked lady statute.

alkmyst, she's a tool. She and Jennifer Griffith have become dhimmis. They need to be rotated out of there, put on new gigs.

Who cares what he died of?

HE'S DEAD, and for that, I am eternally thankful... although, personally, I would have made it a much, much more bloody violent painful horrible death, whatever it was.

Certainly NOT in a fluffy bed with the whole world genuflecting.

{{{CACK}}}

#161 krazykounselor

That doesn't explain the left's double standard and hypocrisy. On one hand they blame America and Israel for not being democratic and liberal enough, and on the other, they side with people who oppose those same principles. That's beyond absurd.

#157 zulubaby
Hamas had a very important representative at the funeral of arafat in Egypt. Someone said to me, just think with the exception of the US, a state department rep sat with a roomful of terrorists and or terror enablers. This is what the EU, UN and the arab world are made of.

FYI: For the Israelis living across from Aqaba Jordan there is something in the near distance which is impossible to ignore. It is a six story or higher flag pole with a gigantic flag at half mast. A picture speaks a thousand words.

{Bastards}

#162 Dave the...

Oh, don't you know? What is ok for "them" is not ok for "us". They are not very strong with common sense.

163 alkmyst

Certain aspects of Fox are truly getting to me. BTW: I heard last night the Saudi Royal Family own quite a large stake in Fox news. CNN, too but then I expect nothing postive from them.

#165 zulubaby 11/14/2004 10:40AM PST
alkmyst, she's a tool. She and Jennifer Griffith have become dhimmis. They need to be rotated out of there, put on new gigs.

I hope I see them around Jerusalem, so I can give them a soundbyte they'd never forget.

Once I'm with a reporter - they never get over it!
/channeling DeVito :-)

OT

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

Nov 14, 12:47 PM (ET)

By GEORGE JAHN

Iran Agrees to Suspend Uranium Enrichment

Sure ok...heard it before...been there, done that.

of course, there were all those unfortunate bat boys. I just answered my own question to HULUGU.

119 krazykounselor:

I could care less who is gay/bisexual and who is not.

The phrase is "I couldn't care less." Your phrase says that you care very much.

If you're going to "teach" our children, at least have the sense to use English properly.

Is Mary Mapes investigating?

OT

The pro-Bush 'When the man comes around' video has been squashed by lawyers acting on behalf of the Cash estate.

Does anyone have a saved link?

Please?

OT, or maybe not

[Link: www.ctv.ca...]

U.S. marines found the mutilated body of what they say could be a woman of Western origin. The corpse was found during a sweep of a street in Fallujah.
The body had been left in the street with a blood-soaked cloth. Fearing the body was boobytrapped, the marines called in sniffer dogs to check for explosives.
One marine, speaking to Associated Press on condition of anonymity, said he was "80 per cent sure" the body belonged to a Western woman.

I could care less who is gay/bisexual and who is not.

I used to love to sit right next to someone who was homophobic and say, "you wouldn't know a bi-sexual if you were sitting right next to one."

Not that it matters, but I'm not gay. (stuff done in prison doesn't count right?) :-)

Looking at Fox News, I see someone threatened terrorism against the Presbyterian Church-USA due to it's anti-Semitic/hate-Israel actions.

My first reaction was to be appalled by this. Our side doesn't behave like this. But I had to kind of chuckle. The Israeli hating Presbyterians suddenly have to deal with...heh heh...terrorism against them. Maybe they'll build have "wall of seperation" around their offices.

Presbyterians Threatened Over Mideast Policy
Saturday, November 13, 2004

LOUISVILLE, Ky. — The Presbyterian Church (USA) (search) has stepped up security at its headquarters and advised its churches to be on alert after receiving a letter threatening arson attacks because of its policies in the Middle East.
The handwritten letter, received Wednesday at the church's Louisville headquarters, threatened to set churches on fire while people were inside in retaliation for "anti-Israel and anti-Jewish attitudes," Jerry L. Van Marter (search), director of the Presbyterian news service, said Saturday.

158 TheRealAuntMyrtle

If that is the case. Why not say so?

Intifada cost Israel $12b

The economy has lost some $12 billion over the past four years as a result of clashes between Israelis and Palestinians, credit risk group Business Data Israel (BDI) said Sunday.

In the comparative study conducted by BDI, the company compared the Israeli monetary loss to the cost to the Palestinian Authority's economy over the same period.

It showed that the economic damage to the PA came to approximately $4.5b.

Yet all we hear about are the "poor Palestinians". Nobody considers the financial toll the constant terrorism has taken on Israel.

FYI: For the Israelis living across from Aqaba Jordan there is something in the near distance which is impossible to ignore. It is a six story or higher flag pole with a gigantic flag at half mast. A picture speaks a thousand words.

{Bastards}

Maybe it's at half mast for Rapper ODB who died yesterday. :-)

Funny has hell that on the MSM news they called him ODB and never said "old dirty basterd" which was his nom-de-rap.

OT, I am reminded of these lines from "Stripes:"

Recruiter: Are you a homosexual?
Bill Murray(or Harold Ramis): No, but we're willing to learn

For kicks I checked the Presbyterians website to see what they had to say about the threat. Below is what they are recommending to their congergations. Ummm, maybe I'm just stupid, but isn't this more or less what Israel is doing with it's borders to protect itself for murderous terrorists? Surely the Presbyterains aren't hypocrites. Sounds like we have aparthied occuring at these churches.

• Many churches have basement entries that are hidden from view. These should be secured with locking ground-level doors when the building is not in use.
• Secure ladders, external stairways, and fire escapes that allow access to the roof.
• Keep track of who has keys. Change locks when keys are lost.
• Consider fencing the areas or sides that are not readily visible to patrols or neighbors. Appoint a person from the church to be a liaison with law and fire officials and request a fire prevention and security evaluation.
• Be wary of strangers, register guests, check on suspicious individuals, and make employees aware of the need to keep a record of suspicious activity. Check credentials of service personnel; individuals may pose as service technicians to get into the church.

#170 selpaw,

FOX's political persuasion is called opportunism.
Rupert Murdoch will say anything to make money.

In 1997, when Murdoch realised the inevitable demise of John Major, he instructed his editors at The Sun to switch to Tony Blair, so over night, from being pro-Tory, The Sun became pro-Labour - and I mean literally in the course of one night.

And btw, that O'Reilly guy is a real asswipe.

Well, we may dismiss the Jews poisoned him as moonbattery, like years ago we laughed at the stupidity of muslims claiming that Jews used moonbat baby blood for matzohs. Except today they still brainwash baby moonbats in that absolute garbage, just like years from now, if the truth isn't told, baby moonbats will be told that the Jews poisoned Arafat.

OT
Need help finding a comprehensive source for the reduction in suicide bombing after the construction of the security barrier in Israel.
Every combination on google turns up mountains of Paleo propaganda. Does anyone have a source that correlates the decline with the reduction in suicide bombing?

#185

I pretty much agree with you. It's the only large media outlet for middle-of-the-road to conservative news and analysis in the US. He may be doing it to make money, but I enjoy it very much. The live/unedited discussions on every night provides a great service.

The part that bugs the hell out of me is the tragidy TV. Fine if Greta wants to be 100% Scott Peterson, but when they have segments dealing with that on O'Reilly and H&C, it demeans them.

Here comes the Pali civil war:

Abbas survives assasination attempt

Two Palestinians, one of Abbas's bodyguards and a uniformed PA policeman, were killed when more than a dozen Palestinian gunmen opened fire toward Abbas and former security minister Muhammad Dahlan, who was standing next to him.

selpaw, far more disgusting is that the UN flag was at half mast.

Need help finding a comprehensive source for the reduction in suicide bombing after the construction of the security barrier in Israel.

The other day, Charles posted a link from Israel listing everyone murdered by terrorists since some time in 2000 or 2001. Check the archives. You can count how many each month and see if there is a decline co-inciding with progress on the fence.

So Arafat was Gay.

Whats the big deal?

The French act like there's something wrong with being gay...why?

Shiplord Kirel, you're probably looking for something a little more scientific, but there's this article: 'In the last five months, we've had zero attacks'

I'll see if I have anything else.

Consider fencing the areas or sides that are not readily visible to patrols or neighbors.

Apartheid wall! Apartheid wall! Shriek, shriek!

#187

OT Isreal Security Barrier UPI report Aug 23rd.

The barrier was built to prevent Palestinians, especially suicide bombers, from entering Israel and the government maintained it has been very successful. The number of Israelis killed in Palestinian attacks originating in the northern West Bank, where the barrier has been completed, dropped 70 percent, a Foreign Ministry report said.

Israel's Foreign Ministry's site.
Saving Lives: Israel's anti-terrorist fence - Answers to Questions

The article is a bit old; Jan. 1 2004.

The Anti - Terrorist Fence

Israel's Security Fence - News Briefs

Security Fence's Effectiveness

A comparison of the number of attacks within Israel carried out by Samaria-based terrorists after the anti-terrorist fence was built, and the number of attacks carried out by the same terrorist groups before the building of the fence, reveals a drop of some 90 percent in the ability of these terrorist groups to perpetrate attacks within Israel.

In the 11 months between the erection of the first segment at the beginning of August 2003 and the end of June 2004, the Samaria-based terrorist groups have succeeded in carrying out only three atrocities within Israel. All three occurred in the first half of 2003, during which 26 Israelis were murdered and 76 wounded. (In two of the cases, the terrorists infiltrated via areas in Samaria where the fence was not yet completed. In the third, a female terrorist entered through the Barta'a crossing using a Jordanian passport.)

"good fences make good neighbors"

"bad neighbors make good fences"

#187 Shiplord Kirel

Shin Bet Publishes Terror Report

There has been an 84% decrease in the number of Israelis killed in terror attacks since the completion of the first portion of the security fence in August last year that comprises 134 kilometers between Salem and Elkana.

'In the last five months we've had zero attacks'

"Instead of 600 terrorist incidents per year around here, in the last five months we've had zero."

Israeli Arabs credit fence for new found prosperity

"God be blessed, the fence ended the parade of terrorists through this city and gave us an economic boom and increased security," says Umm el-Fahm City Manager Tawfiq Karaman.

Official IDF site

EVERYONE HAS TO READ THIS,

Rall Ralfs on Paper

ROFL, I couldnt stop laughing. He is so pissed and the only thing he can do about it is call us names.

"bad neighbors require good fences"

ot--the al acqsa martyr's brigade chant at the mourner's tent in gaza--"abbas and dahlen are agents of the americans"--two abbas bodyguards kia--what was that book title--"nobody gets out of here alive"--this is better than the wwf--its a real life paleo death match--lol

#200 soonerborn
You know, Ted Rall is the one who is the idiot. Case in point:

San Francisco's predominantly gay Castro district is every bit as red, white and blue as the Texas panhandle.

I live in San Francisco, and believe me...there is nothing RW&B about anything or anybody in the Castro. This is evidenced by (among many, many other things) the fact that they don't fly Old Glory at the Castro MUNI station-they fly the "Rainbow" flag. The decor notwithstanding, your typical Castro resident has no love for this country or its people. And neither does Ted Rall, judging by his opinions of most of us.

Go ahead, question their patriotism. Please.

#200

Even with all the mountains of evidence,Rall continues to be in denial about Iraq,i.e. WMD and al-qaeda

This shows me that he has no understanding of deductive reasoning,therefore we should ignore his misinformed rantings.

Really sad but considering his youth and inexperience aside from some liberal arts college propoganda,it is not surprising

This is good - all about Yasser

#202 HULUGU 11/14/2004 11:40AM PST

fox was reporting that the beggining of a jordyptian civil war might be starting with that event. charles do we get a civil war watch thread?

I don't know Rall's age but from his picture he looks about 20.

I'm curious - have any of Arafat's bodyguards died of mysterious diseases, or did they just get sent off to be suicide bombers before any illness manifested itself?

#200 soonerborn

We're adjusting to the possibility that there may be more of you than there are of us. But don't demand our respect. You lost it on November 2.

Where does he get off thinking that we demand their respect. We could give a shit about them.

#200 soonerborn

On that whine by Rall. below the article is a vote link. Vote from 1-5. Right now it has a 3.11, why don't we see if we can vote it down to, oh say, 0.001

Carl in Jerusalem, those are absolutely hysterical!

#209 postscript

I look at them like I do all enemies. I would rather have them fear us than respect us.

OT: Egypt has freed 700 members of the terrorist organization Djemaa al-Islamiya. Oh, and Fathi Arafat, the Fish's brother, is dead. The red crescent is looking for another terrorist leader.

I wish I could be around in 150 years when they dig up his stone coffin to do an autopsy to find out what he really died of. I'm sure all his medical records and tissues will be destroyed so that's the only way history will be able to prove what killed him.

Victims of Palestinian Violence and Terrorism since September 2000

In Memory of the Victims of Palestinian Violence and Terrorism in Israel

that humongous half staff flag at aquaba in jordon is a gigantic in your face HASHEMITE flag meant to show the wahabbis and house of saud in saudi arabia to not forget who the true rulers of the hijaz were for 1400 years and the true custodians of the two holy mosues were before being kicked out in 1924 by abdul aziz and his ikwahn zealots--its a tribal thing--these things are very important in the arabian land of honor

Mr Pol (#213)

Oh, and Fathi Arafat, the Fish's brother, is dead.

I just saw that. They're not having a good week, but we are.

#213 Mr. Pol

Egypt has freed 700 members of the terrorist organization Djemaa al-Islamiya.

I read that, too, but now I can't find the article. My concern is that they'll be farmed-out to Israel and Iraq.

#202 HULUGU

Yup. Looks like Mussa Arafat is moving.

#218 mickthemick

I read that, too, but now I can't find the article. My concern is that they'll be farmed-out to Israel and Iraq.

They'll keep one as head of the red crescent...

Someone compares Islam to hydophobia:

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

-- Sir Winston Churchill,
The River War, his 1899, about war in the Sudan

#208 Georgian

I'm curious - have any of Arafat's bodyguards died of mysterious diseases, or did they just get sent off to be suicide bombers before any illness manifested itself?

The one who played lion and hyena died of AIDS.

mickthemick, here's the article.

Egypt Releases 700 Islamic Militants

#217 zulubaby

I just saw that. They're not having a good week, but we are.

You know, I was thinking, Arab marksmanship is a double-edged thing... 50 terrorists fired on the tent where Mazen and Dahlan were, with full-auto assault rifles, and they only managed to kill two 'bodyguards'. The Balestinian civil war will be long, but not bloody.

#43
#83

Well, actually AIDS can be transmitted quite easily through heterosexual sex. I worked for two years for the AIDS Housing and Education Fund.

It is easily transmitted through anal sex because of the likelihood of tissue damage, but heterosexual sex also frequently leads to contusions AND anyone who is carrying polyps, legions or pustules can have tissue damage which can easily transmit blood or other body fluids in the vagina.

AIDS is not only transmitted through blood, but through vaginal secretions and through semen. A woman is more likely to get AIDS from a man, but she can pass it to a man through vaginal sex as well.

The only constant is body fluid in enough quantity to carry the virus. All that is required is an exchange of semen or vaginal fluid. Nothing more exotic needed.

This is my fav one.

So our guy lost the election. Why shouldn't those of us on the coasts feel superior? We eat better, travel more, dress better, watch cooler movies, earn better salaries, meet more interesting people, listen to better music and know more about what's going on in the world.

So our guy lost the election. - When did he ever back Kerry, all I ever saw from his putrid pen was ABB.

We eat better - I dont know about him but eating better to me is home cooking and garden fresh vegtables.

travel more - Why would he travel more if everything is so much better in the city?

dress better - If he means following Zeropean fashion trends I guess he has a point.

earn better salaries - He needs it to pay for the outrageous cost of living there.

Watch cooler movies - WTF? Most theatres I have been to play all the new cool movies.

Meet more interesting people - I think he means people who like to read his puke

Listen to better music - again WTF? My borders has the same music his does.

Know more about whats going on in the world - He needs to take the time to read his own work.

Fisking Rall is like a connect the dot puzzle with numbers, just to easy to even bother with. He just need to stick with his stick figure drawings and leave the writing to the adults.

#164--dave the wilfully ignorant--puhleeze--hoover and his "special friend" and roomate clyde tolsen were asshole buddies--not that there's anything wrong with that--except that there was--hoover denied for years that there was a mafia and never went after it because he knew the "boys' had the goods on him--my god--the guy almost went shopping for wedding dresses at kleinfield's--going to a party with him and cardinal spellman in the 50's meant having to adjust your wig and lipstick--gimme a break--you can be an anti-idiotarian without being a lapdog for supposed right wing icons

#205 - Carl in Jerusalem -- those are great. And how about this one ?:)

#210 cyber monk

I didnt notice that. Thats a great idea. Propagate this link to all the weblogs and forums we can.

I'd just like to say that on further investigation, it looks like I jumped the gun when I came down on people for celebrating Arafat's brother's death. I still hold that people should not be judged for the actions of their relatives, but it looks like the "good" doctor was probably deserving of a nasty fate in his own right.

I apologize for attacking the others for poor research, when it was indeed me who had failed to research properly.

#223 zulubaby
Thank you very much for the link! ;)

another "NYTimes digs, hits bottom" link is warranted by this thoroughly offensive piece cooing over the terrorist's keen media sensibilities:

The Terrorist as Auteur

Journalist-dunderhead Michael Ignatieff coos that the terrorists have convinvingly protrayed the stern absolutes of any battle.

The videos also announce that in an occupied country there are no innocent foreigners. The French victims may have thought they were innocent because they believed their nation's policy had been innocent; the Italian victims may have thought they were innocent because they were simply humanitarians who had been against the war all along.

he gleefully eclipses any moral standards with the methods of combat and SOMEHOW the monkeyshines of Abu Ghriab prison are equatable to the beheading of innocent civillians

Al-Zarqawi thinks that we would rather come home than fight evil. Are we truly willing to descend into the vortex to beat him? He has bet that we are not.

But his calculation is that either way, he cannot lose. If we remain, he has also bet -- and Abu Ghraib confirms how perceptive he was -- that we will help him drive us into ignominious defeat by becoming as barbarous as he is.

#226 soonerborn
In order to properly Fisk that Rall piece one would have to re-type the whole damn thing. Rall thinks we who voted for Bush "don't get it." In fact, it's Rall and his ilk who "don't get it," and it's evidenced by the fact that he questions the intelligence and patriotism of people who support Bush, yet wrote one of the most condescending, holier-than-thou pieces of tripe I've ever read, and that's saying quite a lot when one considers the amount of crap that Democrats and everybody else in the anti-Bush crowd have written recently.

#174 -- Good point.

"Care less. The dismissive 'I couldn't care less' is often used with the shortened 'not' mistakenly (and mysteriously) omitted: 'I could care less.' The error destroys the meaning of the sentence and is careless indeed." -- Strunk and White, The Elements of Style.

#226 soonerborn  11/14/2004 12:19PM PST

Watch cooler movies - WTF? Most theatres I have been to play all the new cool movies.

I think he might have a point there. I've seen advertisements for a documentary on Reagan that I'd really like to see, but they're only showing it in NY.

;-)

The BBC mentioned that the Iranians have agreed in writing to suspend enrichment of Uranium.

Just like Hitler agreed in writing not to attack any more countries at Munich 1938.

F*cking BBC, they had a piece of sh*t program about Arafat-f*ck earlier.

Such blatant lies and revisionism. They really are pandering to the Ahabs. Or groveling rather.

Rall can say this crap because he is so insulated from diverse thought. I have many moonbatty friends but they would not presume to go as far as he does because they can't deny that the conservatives they know are reasonable, worldly-wise and intelligent. Only the blue cacoon allows such stereotyping and ignorance

Mr Pol (#224)

You know, I was thinking, Arab marksmanship is a double-edged thing... 50 terrorists fired on the tent where Mazen and Dahlan were, with full-auto assault rifles, and they only managed to kill two 'bodyguards'.

No wonder their egos are so fragile, they're useless. I'm grateful, mind you, for their poor marksmanship. They'd only be able to slaughter more Jews if they were better skilled.

#238 zulubaby

They'd only be able to slaughter more Jews if they were better skilled.

Maybe that's why they like bombs. The only skill required to kill alot of people is knowing when to flick the switch.

#225--armytramp--iirc the myth of heterosexual transmission of aids in men is just that--a myth--put out by the gay community--who rightfully sought to get the original designation of grids--gay related immune deficiency--grids overturned--i don't have a linky but recent studies show that heterosexual transmission of aids to be statistically insignificant--its transmitted in africa by anal sex because that was --until education-the principal means of birth control--also anecdotally--how many straight guys does anyone know who has aids--its a rainbow herring--cf. "everyone has aids" song in team america

#238 zulubaby

It just got better: Mazen denied it was an assassination attempt - they were 'shooting in the air'.

I guess the two 'bodyguards' were just scared literally to death.

I got such a good laugh from that story I checked out another one and its funny too. I am contemplating bookmarking him in my humor section. I did notice this in the second story.

I found a quiet spot and fired up my laptop. Many people have wireless connections in Manhattan. Not all of them are password-protected. I skimmed e-mail from gloating scum.

Isnt this illegal?

#63 zygazint
#179 Dave the...

The Presbyterian Church USA has filled my mother with every kind of Leftist crapola!

It is difficult to talk about anything sanely with her. I joke that Arafat died of a "brain hemorrhoid" and she comes back "someone ought to shoot Sharon," which is typically Leftist: hate-filled and unfunny.

BTW, I was confirmed in the Presbyterian Church, but I'm feeling much better now. :-)

[Thanks in large part to "Presbyterian" Buddhism -- the Pali Canon of the Theravada ("doctrine of the elders" approx. equal to Presbyterian, "church of the elders.") helped me reinstate my Buddhist practice.]

And the PCUSA is filling my dad with creationist crapola. It's like they're taking all the worst ideas from other churches and making a big pile of dumb.

I'm glad that I escaped. The Presbyterian Church is a cult of stupidity.

#235 wateshay

Bah, so some people have to wait longer to get a movie.

234 LesLein:

You betcha.

And as long as we're kicking grammatical butt, how 'bout everybody check they're dictionaries or there stylebooks for the proper meanings and uses for they're, their and there. If you look, it's right their; everybody should just check there references.

And while I'm at it, "it's" is a contraction for "it is". It's not the possesssive, as in "his, hers, it's".

Next up, the proper use of the semi-colon.

/ex-editor foaming-at-the-mouth rant

#38 Darlene

Arafish's daughter, if she does have a "blood disorder", would maybe indicate that Suha may also have the same "problem". Could explain the $22 mill per year payoff. Sadly, the daughter may end up one more innocent to suffer from the Monster's actions. Sympathy and prayers for the little girl. Pity and hate for the corrupt bitch.

The BASTARD!!!

#232

...and Abu Ghraib confirms how perceptive he was -- that we will help him drive us into ignominious defeat by becoming as barbarous as he is.

Yes, throughout history, the most appalling acts of barbaric tyrants have been recorded--beheadings, burning victims alive, stretching them on the rack, and, most horrible of all, the dread panties-on-the-head.

And as long as we're kicking grammatical butt, how 'bout everybody check they're dictionaries or there stylebooks for the proper meanings and uses for they're, their and there. If you look, it's right their; everybody should just check there references.

hmmm

Mr Pol, yeah, I saw that, posted it here. "Gunmen clad in green" -- why can't the media just call them Hamas terrorists?

I guess the two 'bodyguards' were just scared literally to death.

LOL! Those brave jihadis.

#224 Mr Pol

ou know, I was thinking, Arab marksmanship is a double-edged thing... 50 terrorists fired on the tent where Mazen and Dahlan were, with full-auto assault rifles, and they only managed to kill two 'bodyguards'. The Balestinian civil war will be long, but not bloody.

I was thinking the same thing. When everybody is carrying a weapon, how hard would it be to get close enough that you wouldn't miss?

I guess that is why the Marines in Iraq are racking up kill ratios of something like 70 to 1.

#248 billhedrick:

You only found ONE misuse of there, their and they're???

#245 jwpaine

You make some good points their. I'd contribute more, but have to take a moment to plug in my laptop, as it's battery is nearly dead.

224 Mr Pol

50 terrorists fired on the tent where Mazen and Dahlan were, with full-auto assault rifles, and they only managed to kill two 'bodyguards'

I think it was an act.

#238 zulubaby
Perhaps their aim will improve for Solana said in an interview released Saturday with the German weekly Der Spiegel, that he hoped to send European experts in cooperation with Egypt to train Palestinian security forces within the coming months.

"Probably together with Egypt, we will send well-prepared people so that the Palestinians can enact a sensible command structure and also have the ability to fulfill their duty," Javier Solana was quoted as saying.

Fulfill their duty to what, aim better to kill more Jews? On a serious note, the palestinians have been trained and retrained in security and did nothing except turn the so-called security forces into terrorists. If the US, EU and all the rest think this little tactical move will achieve anything they are crazy. What they could do is clean the palestinian house of Jew hate. But I guess that does not matter. Just hurry and give them a state.

#245 jwpaine:

And as long as we're kicking grammatical butt, how 'bout everybody check they're dictionaries or there stylebooks for the proper meanings and uses for they're, their and there. If you look, it's right their; everybody should just check there references.

ROFLMAO!

I generally assume that most people are simply typing too fast. I'm especially embarrassed when I make one of those mistakes because I write and edit for a living.

But it happens :-(

One of my other pet peeves is using "less" when "fewer" is required. I even went so far as to email the Protest Warrior guys (blessings be upon them!) to change they're there their sign about Ted Kennedy's car. I hope they took it as the constructive comment it was intended to be...

AIDS in South Africa, at least, is so widespread because of the belief that sex with a virgin cures the virus. It's also the reason why there are so many child rapes. Mbeki finally managed to bring himself to acknowledge that AIDS existed so perhaps they can start an education campaign in the near future. Idiot.

I love the things about the left wing travelling better than the right wing. I definitely sway more to the middle on some subjects but am firmly in the right wing train of thought most of the time. Anyway, I just got back from Israel and had a great time there. I should think that could be considering travelling well.

Oh, wait is it because I didn't go to France? Never mind.

Toddhisattva,

The Presbyterian Church (PCA or EPC) is not.

selpaw, I think that POS Solana is angling for Arafat's job. He put a wreath on Arafat's grave. Bastard.

I stopped on PBS local channel and Tucker Carlson is talking to Christopher Hitchens about Arafish. Statesman or terrorist? Hitchenss said that Arafish had a picture of himself giving blood after 9-11 to soften image. Then he said "I hope whoever got that blood threw it away."

#254 cba:

I aim to please.

/blatant butt-smooching

Really, no one expects perfect literacy on a fast-moving blog. It's not the occasional error I find annoying (just as long as the writer's intent is discernable). It's the constant misuse of the aforementioned words that grinds grammatical glass into my editorial eye.

I care that Arafat was gay -- it's one more lie he lived.

And given the murderous treatment of gays in the muslim world, it's one more thing that Arafat didn't do anything about, even though he was gay.

#240

You're just plain wrong.

It is nice that you have this link somewhere (though you did not post it), but it is simply not valid. AIDS can, and is, often transmitted via vaginal sex. I suppose I could sit here all day and post opposing data to your assertion, but you are going to believe what you are going to believe.

However, it is true that in primitive cultures, many practice anal sex as a form of birth control, hence an even faster AIDS transmission.

I am speaking as someone who spent two years working for AIDS hospice. I am not gay and have no reason to lie to you. This is simply truth. Believe it or not.

I know plenty of straights guys who got AIDS, some from heroin, and some passed it to their girlfriends. I know of plenty of cases of straight men getting AIDS from women who were prostitutes or engaged in rough sex, or women who had lesions on their vaginas, usually herpes.

Your comments are not productive or informed about this subject. If you hate gays, there's nothing I can do about that, but ignorance is getting people killed and there are plenty of people who get AIDS every day because they think straight people don't get it.

#185 hm 11/14/2004 11:13AM PST

FOX's political persuasion is called opportunism.

Thank you for giving words to the idea in my head!

They don't really seem right-wing to me, not nearly as right-wing as the others are staunchly, dogmatically, religiously left-wing.

Fox will let Democrats talk. The others never let Republicans complete a sentence.

And they saw an opportunity to hire Laurie Dhue from MessNBC. A friend's GF was lamenting that we were watching Fox News during OIF, "why are y'all watching Fox?"

Laurie Dhue's preternaturally pretty person appeared onscreen, we males looked at each other, silently asking "should we be honest?"

Instead, we punted, "Because it's cool."

And btw, that O'Reilly guy is a real asswipe.

I've had words to this effect for a long time. But I can't post them ;-) "Middle of the road totalitarian" is my rated-G description.

258 zulubaby
That made me so angry, yet that little 'show' was most predictable indeed.

angling for Arafat's job

What he is angling for is more power. He is hungry for it. And in so doing guess who will pay?

OT - or mayb NOT:

French want to name streets after Arafat.

Here are my suggestions! Le Parc d'Arafat.

Enjoyez.

Nope, I found all 3

Trying to make you go nuts

Why do people think Arafat had AIDS? Please provide evidence.

266 billhedrick:

Too late! Ha-Ha!

OT - Something Awful sticks it to the LLL
[Link: www.somethingawful.com...]

This is way off topic, but the Boston Globe is now publishing the Book of Excuses.

On the afternoon of Aug. 9, John F. Kerry stood on the lip of the Grand Canyon, about to make one of the biggest mistakes of his three-year quest for the presidency. A stiff wind was blowing across the canyon, and Kerry, whose hearing was damaged by gun blasts in Vietnam, had trouble understanding some of the questions being thrown his way. But he pressed on, coughing from the pollen blowing on the breeze.

Would Kerry have voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq, one reporter asked, even if he knew then that Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction? "Yes, I would have voted for the authority; I believe it's the right authority for a president to have," Kerry replied, as aides stood by, dumbfounded.

Kerry's answer ricocheted around the political world. Faced with the revelation that almost all the prewar arguments for invading Iraq were wrong -- the existence of weapons of mass destruction, close links to Al Qaeda -- President Bush had nonetheless insisted that he would do nothing differently. And he had been challenging Kerry to do the same, hoping to catch the Democrat changing his position on the unpopular war.

The senator explained to aides that part of the question had been lost in the wind; he thought he was answering a variation on the same basic query he'd been asked countless times: Was it right to give Bush the authority to go to war against Iraq? Kerry had simply given his standard "yes," with the proviso that he would have "done this very differently from the way President Bush has" -- yet the misunderstanding now muddied Kerry's message.

Worried advisers briefly considered issuing a clarification, but feared it might further feed Republican efforts to portray Kerry as a "flip-flopper."

[Link: www.boston.com...]

#240 Hulugu
#262 Armytramp

Hulugu, you have said a very wrong thing.
Armytramp is quite right.

And to answer your question: I DO know a guy who got AIDS from a female prostitute.

It is absolutely dangerous to believe the things you say.
Don't believe it, it is NOT TRUE.

Armytramp, you're right. And I also have read (and believe) that the cervix can lead (obviously) to transmission... in the absence of any open wound, etc., in the vaginal area. It can be more easily injured/torn than the stronger vaginal tissue.

But what do I know? Just a housewife. :)

#255

Sad, but true. Also, there was a widespread belief that AIDS could be cured by eating avocadoes.

If only they had stuck with that dopey belief, a lot of children wouldn't be raped and killed.

It is almost impossible to teach people from these cultures about disease because they have no frame of reference. Their logic is entirely "magical".

When shown a video about malaria, one tribal chief piped up that that couldn't be the cause of malaria because they didn't have mosquitoes that big. He couldn't make the leap that the mosquito in the video is a representation of a mosquito, not a real one.

They don't really understand what disease is. All illness is magical and all illness can be cured by magical means. They have a really hard time believing in bugs they can't see, but they believe in the results of magic, because they see the results. It's a nightmare trying to get through to these people.

It's bad enough in the USA. My sister treated an HIV positive woman who had a terrible vagina smell and secretion and on removing some kind of horrible mass from the patient's vagina, it turned out she and her boyfriend had run out of condoms and decided to do the deed with his willy wrapped in Saran Wrap. It got stuck inside her and she just left it there. Of course, she developed a horrible infection after leaving it here for an enitre WEEK.

Now, here we are in America, all the resources in the world, we know how AIDS is transmitted, and what do these dipshits do? They do the deed with Saran Wrap as protection. She could have had an early death from toxic shock.

He is now HIV postive as well.

A lot of people are dying of AIDS because they are dying of sheer stupidity.

#262 armytramp

plenty of people who get AIDS every day because they think straight people don't get it.

I am straight and when I ran around Asia and the Pacific, before AIDS, I was very carefree. Since AIDS, I am very careful because I agree with you.

#244 soonerborn  11/14/2004 12:39PM PST

Notice the wink ( ;-) ).

I meant it as a joke, given that I'm sure Ted Rall is not going to go see a pro-Reagan documentary.

I'm quite happy living in "flyover country" and can't see myself ever moving to the looney coasts.

#273 armytramp

A lot of people are dying of AIDS because they are dying of sheer stupidity.

And that's probably the saddest truth of all. :(

270 LesLein

Gawd...it never ends, '...and Kerry, whose hearing was damaged by gun blasts in Vietnam...'

Yes, I had heard the rumor Kerry was in Vietnam. Funny they should mention that...

I think I'll go get sick.

#275 wateshay

I'm quite happy living in "flyover country" and can't see myself ever moving to the looney coasts.

And lots of people agree with you and are moving.

Every four years, voters head to the polls to select our nation’s president. The process begins with a series of primaries and caucuses in the winter and spring and culminates with the general election in November. With the 2004 presidential election fast approaching on Nov. 2, the Census Bureau has culled from previously released statistical reports the following election-related facts:

The Electoral College
8
The number of states that gained electoral votes, based on Census 2000 results, since the last presidential election in 2000. Four of these states — Arizona, Florida, Georgia and Texas — each gained two votes. The other four — California, Colorado, Nevada and North Carolina — gained one apiece.

10
Number of states with fewer electoral votes in 2004 than in 2000. Two states — New York and Pennsylvania — each lost two votes. The other eight — Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Ohio, Oklahoma and Wisconsin — each lost one vote.

[Link: www.census.gov...]