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Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 6:18:01 pm PST

The latest pertinent numbers describing the volume of LGF verbosity:

Total open entries: 13,456
Total comments: 1,168,891

Total registered users: 9,715

The total of registered users includes all unconfirmed and blocked accounts (a small percentage of the total).

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1 Eric MN  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:18:52pm

thats a lot of stories posted. lots of work put into this, thank you.

2 Aquatic Cadaver Dog  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:20:47pm

Thank you Charles, for this fabulous forum!

3 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:21:24pm

"There are three types of lies--lies, damn lies, and statistics."

Benjamin Disraeli

4 ted  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:21:29pm

Charles: King of the Blogosphere !!! Congratulations,you deserve it !!!

5 eeevil conservative  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:23:28pm

Charles

I have been VERY BLESSED by the service you give us!!! You really run a great outfit!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

HERE'S TO MORE SUCCESS!!

Cheers

6 Lysander  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:24:15pm

All the best, Charles!

Lysander

7 Blue Falcon  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:24:53pm

Cheers!

8 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:27:42pm
9 Connecticut Yankee  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:28:11pm

This is an auspicious occasion for a Wednesday night drinking thread!

10 levi from queens  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:28:32pm

So who got 1,000,000? -- odds on Zulababe or Evariste

11 pat  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:30:15pm

And once we were 200 or so. As the chi-coms used to say, "the east grows red ".

12 cba  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:31:27pm

Yay, Charles!

Um, but what's "uncomfirmed" mean?

13 Charles  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:33:05pm

"Unconfirmed" means they didn't reply to the email that activates their account.

14 joepublicus  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:33:35pm

Congrats!

15 justdanny  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:34:00pm

One day I'll hit the powerball lottery for $200,000,000 then I'll volunteer to begin the task of publishing, in paperback "LGF, The Early Years" a 24 volume set. Made available to all public libraries and public school libraries in the US, for free.

16 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:34:20pm

The "unconfirmed" accounts, I suppose are those who've registered but not posted?

17 realwest  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:34:37pm

Charles I hope you don't mind me saying once again (for like the 100th time) thank you for littlegreenfootballs. A better blog community out there there isn't.

18 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:34:53pm

#13,

Oh.

19 cba  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:34:58pm

I think this is the perfect thread to repost this link from 8/12/2002:

I think we’ve set an LGF record today, with over 10,000 unique visits according to my statistics application, as of 6:19 pm Pacific.

You've come a long way, baby!

20 stuck in california  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:35:24pm

"Verbosity" Damn I'm ignorant...

21 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:35:55pm

Charles,

Mazel tov on your success!

22 justdanny  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:36:40pm

Oh, yeah, who did make the 1,000,000th comment ?

23 zigzag  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:36:52pm

LGF Statistics Watch Watch

24 Phantom  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:37:16pm

Thanks Charles, from a lurker!

25 cba  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:37:47pm

#13 Charles:
Let me ask my question again...

What does "uncomfirmed" mean?

I was hoping you'd take the hint. ;-)

26 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:37:56pm

Congratulations, Charles; and also on your appearance on Prager today. I heard a bit as I drove back from lunch. I really appreciate this forum and your legwork in keeping the WOT and the Jihad on the frontburner.

What's that? Tip jar? Whoops, gotta run...

27 OilStooge  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:39:42pm

Add one more comment to the count...

Thanks, LGF.

28 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:40:29pm

While we're talking of statistics, I was wondering if my LGF's current total for number posts is still shared with "Dar ul Harbarian" or if it's just my own total. I suspect that with registration they're seperate now. Used to be, when Charles compiled the frequent poster lists, Harbarian and I were lumped together.

(And Ed Moran used to have dozens of aliases...)

29 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:41:55pm

"number of posts", PIMF.

30 justdanny  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:44:03pm

Weird. I guess nobody knows. ref my #22 question

31 William  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:44:51pm

Let's add one more post!

An excellent article from the London Times:

Final steps of dead men walking

The last hours of the mujahidin are terrifying. With the city they once ruled with the absolute authority of medieval caliphs now overrun by American and Iraqi troops, they have to keep moving. To pause even for a few minutes can mean instant death from an unseen enemy.

A group of 15 fighters dressed in black and carrying an array of weapons ducked into a two-storey house in war-torn southern Fallujah yesterday morning. Their movement was picked up by an unmanned spy plane that beamed back live footage to a control centre on the edge of the city. Within minutes, an airstrike was called and the house disappeared in a giant plume of grey smoke.

From a house across the road, the explosion flushed out another group of guerrillas. Deafened by the blast, they stumbled out into the street, formed a ragged line and started off on the marathon to postpone their deaths, the drone dogging their every step.

"The rats are trying to move about," Major Tim Karcher, of the Second Battalion, Seventh Cavalry, said...

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

32 Renna  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:46:01pm

justdanny,

Charles said that there was no way of knowing the exact comment. I think it was generally agreed upon that we would just all assume it was zulubaby. A safe bet.

33 cba  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:46:08pm

#30 justdanny:
IIRC, Charles said once upon a time that he couldn't tell exactly who'd posted the xxxth comment, because different people could be posting at almost the same time on different threads.

34 Joseph  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:46:42pm

I love lgf, but let's ask ourselves two honest questions:

1. With all due respect to my fellow lizaroids, how much are we really changing things when we post here? Or are we reliving the lives of the characters of a Russian novel, who merely talk(ed) their lives away?

2. Enemies come and enemies go. But when are we going to wake up and realize that the TRUE enemy, IMHO, is the Far Left and especially their enablers -- much of the MSM.

Why can't we do something like committ ourselves to a relatively small but worthy task and when succesful, move on to bigger and better projects?

To start, I propose the following: Each of us do our best to get (at least) three regular folks out there to committ to dropping their subscription to any terrorist-enabling paper or magazine. Perhaps we can even move them here, and thus exponentially increase the numbers of people who 'get it'.

btw, I've often written down lgf's address on a scrap of paper to people I meet, but am thinking of printing up business cards with the pertinent info on them to give out instead.

35 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:48:03pm

A statistic is to love as wind is to fire, it extinguishes the small. You can talk 'till your blue in the face, more noisy than two skeletons fucking on a tin roof, one french fry short of a happy meal, but if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. The love of money is the root of all evil. All is fair in love and war. For a greater love hath no man, love hurts, and life is a series of disappointments, followed by marriage.

If this be false, and upon me proved, I have never written nor no man ever loved, not wisely, but too well.

36 knotboy  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:49:05pm

OT
Is there anywhere we can write or voice our support for that Marine that shot the terrorist? I am getting myself very worked up about this. If they ruin this guy's life is am going to be very pissed.

37 stuck in california  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:49:14pm

#34

Just let the wind blow...

38 Norwegian kafir  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:49:47pm

Charles, do you have the statistics for how many non-Americans read LGF, and where they come from? Something like the Internet Haganah has got?

39 DocDublU  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:50:05pm

#22

RE: 1 X 10 to the 6th visitor.

It was impossible to ascertain due to the manner in which posts are logged in (per C about a month ago)

40 stuck in california  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:50:44pm

#36 AMEN!!!

41 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:52:53pm

#34 Joseph

btw, I've often written down lgf's address on a scrap of paper to people I meet, but am thinking of printing up business cards with the pertinent info on them to give out instead.

If Charles would contract someone to sell lgf bumperstickers, I'd buy one.

42 Bob G.  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:53:34pm

Over one million bloggers served.

43 cba  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:53:37pm

#34 Joseph:
The information and fact-checking I get here helps me when I talk to other people.

For example, I had a very upsetting email exchange about a week ago with an acquaintance, and some lizard friends let me bounce ideas off them and edited my responses. I wouldn't have been able to reply (and certainly not persuasively) without the help and support of the lizard community.

44 Lurking Texasgal4Bush  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:53:43pm

This website has relieved me of extreme boredom during slow times at work, educated and sparked a desire to know more about current events. I thank you Charles

PS...a lurker who is getting braver by the day.

45 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:54:26pm

'Course, it'd be really cool to have stats to show who got the most hat tips, the most firsties, etc. >:^)

46 NuclearTinkerbell  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:55:11pm

I visited the way, way back time, to see what LGF was like prior to 9-11. It was all sunshine and music and globular clusters and biking diaries. A big day would bring 10 posters to the comment section. It was so sweet then. I guess this evolved into exactly what it should have (and what we needed). Thank you, as always, Charles.

47 justdanny  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:55:14pm

CBA & Renna

Thank you. I understand how and why the honor should be bestoyed on zulubaby, and I fully agree. Cool.

48 Norwegian kafir  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:55:26pm

By the way: Does anybody know how to submit articles to the online encyclopedia Wikipedia, or how to propose changes to the ones already there? They seem to have some rather Politically Correct entries about Islam.

49 Frank_Mtl  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:55:47pm

LGF is where I spend my best [Link: www...] time. Thank You Charles!

50 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:56:01pm

little green football bats

51 talk sick alaskan  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:56:56pm

Congratulations Charles.

Education and entertainment at the same time!

Onward and upward.

The truth always triumphs.

52 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:57:16pm

little green-eyed football monster

53 stuck in california  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:57:17pm

No bumper stickers, got window broken with with BUSH -CHENEY thing...

54 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:58:15pm

Don't sweat the little green footballs of life.

55 Terrye  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 4:59:58pm

I am new here but I like it very much.

56 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:01:18pm

If it had been a lizard, it would have bitten you.

57 Shammer  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:01:24pm

Proost!

Thanks for providing an outlet.

58 huckfunn  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:03:13pm

#34 Joseph

1. With all due respect to my fellow lizaroids, how much are we really changing things when we post here?

Change comes slowly. I'll bet that there are twice as many unregistered lurkers as there are registered lizaroids. MSM knows we're here and that's progress. The blogosphere is a movement and I'm glad to be a part of it.

Thanks, Charles, and keep up the good work

59 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:03:32pm

It is a whole new little green football of wax.

60 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:04:48pm

The little green football is in your court now, Charles.

61 NuclearTinkerbell  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:06:19pm

The first time I found this site and opened up the comments section, zulubaby was dismembering a moonbat. I just gazed at the screen in awe as she demoralized and abused a 'Zionist conspiracy' troll. I don't know what ever became of him, don't care either, but I was hooked.

62 Kylaer  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:11:02pm

Wow, that's a lot of Hitlers. I'm glad to have been one of the early ones (not earliest ones, of course, but I've been here a good while).

63 Ken27  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:12:34pm

I am one of those late comers that joined after the memo story. I have tried many other blogs, but this is by far the best one I have ever seen. The posters are reasonable and don't jump to conclusions. Many of the posters have fantastic links that are really insightful.

Keep up the good work !

64 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:12:58pm

A day will come when all my work is finished or it is too late to finish it.

65 Geepers  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:14:57pm

The Sanity Inspector,

zulubaby isn't known as the hat tip Queen for nothin' :-)

101 hat tips.

66 Joseph  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:15:19pm

#41:

I've thought about that too... If I didn't have three kids in parochial school, I'd be the first to try to get things like that rolling...

I certainly didn't mean to rain on anyone's parade; of course we're doing good by spotting the media and other assorted moral dwarfs. But perhaps we can really go on the offensive and start to really change things.

67 rayw  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:16:38pm

Charles,

You are doing a better job than Drudge, and between the two of you, I am on the news as it is happening. I laugh each morning when I pick up the paper and see events that are sometimes 48 hours old.

Thanks for all your hard work!

68 DocDublU  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:17:23pm

As the Clinton Presidential Library is set to open in Arkansas, the impeachment of the 42nd POTUS is told as part of a revisionist and tortured display titled "The Politics of Personal Destruction"

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

Seeking to steer America sharply to the right, Republican leaders pursued a radical agenda through radical means. They used new tools and tactics -- lawsuits, investigations, new partisan media, front groups, a secret slush fund, and deeply divisive rhetoric -- in their battle for political supremacy. The normal give-and-take of public life gave way to what many called the "politics of personal destruction." After the Republicans won the Congress in 1994, the fight for power culminated in two government shutdowns and an impeachment battle, bringing partisan opposition to a new high and attempting to deny the very legitimacy of the President's election.

Funny, that's not how I remember it. Didn't someone lie during a deposition about a certain chubby intern? Didn't someone deny having sexual relations with "that woman"?

A hell of way to explain Clinton's emasculation by the Right and repudiaiton of his agenda in 1994.

69 Geepers  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:17:44pm

And speaking of record setting types, we have one here now.

huckfunn has the distinction of having his very first LGF post be a hat tip.

70 Joseph  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:18:03pm

OT:

Finally, Condi Rice is not a conservative— she's a neoconservative. And the neoconservatives have won virtually every battle now. They have all the seats of power. And they are not loved in this D.C., not simply by the bureaucracy, but by some traditionalist old Right folks, by a lot of journalists and others. And what the president has got — he's basically declared war on this city with a very narrow set of alliances.

Buchanan spews forth his usual drivel

71 NuclearTinkerbell  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:19:35pm

You know, a Tiffany's™ silver bracelet with an LGF charm might be a great gift for any female lizards out there. Maybe Charles can design a small green charm? Maybe a tie tack or discreet lapel pin for the lizard brethren?

72 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:21:09pm

LGF: Better than a slap up side the head with a wet fish.

73 huckfunn  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:22:51pm

#69 Geepers

Do you really remember that, or is there someplace to view that info? That was really a lucky shot. I promptly bought $10 of lotto tickets. No luck there, but I still have my hat tip.

Cheers,

huck

74 DocDublU  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:23:28pm

OT

Ken Mehlman leaving Bush/Cheney 04 Campaign Mgr post for Chairmanship of RNC, per an email I just received from him.

With that in mind, I'm pleased to announce that I, if duly elected by the National Committee members, will serve as Chairman of the Republican National Committee. I will also continue the work we have done to make our online effort the largest and strongest grassroots operation in history. I will keep this list alive, and continue to contact you with ways to stay involved, to assist the President, and to help grow our Republican majority. One of the first volunteer activities will be a national inauguration Party for the President on January 20, 2005. Save the date!

Inauguraton Party? Woo Hoo! That's a Thursday night kiddies. TNDT!

75 rayw  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:23:55pm

#71 NuclearTinkerbell

I like that idea. We could spot each other without having a big target on our chests, which I don't mind sometimes when I'm in a fighting mood, but the situation doesn't always warrent making a scene.

76 Geepers  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:25:56pm

huckfunn,

I remember everything, it's a curse. ;-)

77 zulubaby  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:27:19pm

Do yourselves a favour and watch this interview: View Brigitte Gabriel's Video

Brigitte Gabriel - Speaks the Truth at Duke University on 10-14

I'm proud and honored to stand here today as a Lebanese speaking for Israel the only democracy in the Middle East. As someone who was raised in an Arabic country I want to give you a glimpse into the heart of the Arabic world.

I was raised in Lebanon where I was taught that the Jews were evil, Israel was the devil, and the only time we will have peace in the Middle East is when we kill all the Jews and drive them into the sea.

When the Moslems and Palestinians declared Jihad on the Christians in 1975, they started massacring the Christians city after city. I ended up living in a bomb shelter underground from age 10 to 17 without electricity, eating grass to live and crawling under sniper bullets to a spring to get water.

It was Israel who came to help the Christians in Lebanon. My mother was wounded by a Moslem shell and was taken into an Israeli hospital for treatment. When we entered the emergency room, I was shocked at what I saw. There were hundreds of people wounded, Moslems, Palestinians, Christian Lebanese and Israeli soldiers lying on the floor. The doctors treated everyone according to their injuries. They treated my mother before they treated the Israeli soldier lying next to her. They didn't see religion, they didn't see political affiliation, they saw people in need, and they helped.

For the first time in my life, I experienced a human quality that I know my culture would not have shown to their enemy. I experienced the values of the Israelis who were able to love their enemy in their most trying moments.

I spent 22 days at that hospital; those days changed my life and the way I believe information, the way I listen to the radio or to television. I realized I was sold a fabricated lie by my government about the Jews and Israel that was so far from reality. I knew for fact that if I was a Jew standing in an Arab hospital, I would be lynched and thrown over to the grounds as shouts of joy of Allahu Akbar (God is great) would echo through the hospital and the surrounding streets.

Read the whole thing, she's phenomenal.

President and Founder of American Congress for Truth

78 NuclearTinkerbell  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:28:35pm

#75 rayw
Yeah, me too. Something subtle.

79 Norwegian kafir  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:28:46pm

#65: I only have 20 hat tips. I have some catching up to do ;-)

80 applesweet  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:29:32pm

Charles just keeps on keeping on. The best of the best

OT
Here's a laugh I found over at Aaron's via RogerLSimon.com

Condi’s First Meeting as SecState with the Saudis… in Riyadh

Conversation killers that Condi might try while on camera:
“The American Snake,” Kamal Sa’ad, columnist for the Egyptian weekly Al-Usbu’


"#

“These are some bad examples of the women who rule America. We thank Allah that there are no similar [women] in our Arab world, otherwise our lives - we men - would be absolute hell and we would become prisoners to the declarations of Condoleezza Rice and the other vulgar women!“

I'm so happy, they'll be scared crapless of her!

81 Exdamyankee  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:30:55pm

#72 L-S

THAT needs to be added to the random titles!

82 DocDublU  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:34:56pm

I removed my Bush / Cheney 04 bumper sticker from my Giant Ford Pickup today, but I left on the football shaped W sticker. Kinda sad. But I got me a new sticker in the mail today from rightwingstuff.com. From a distance it looks like a peace sign. But when you get up close, like waiting behind me at a stop light, you can see that the peace sign is actually a strategic swept wing bomber. At the bottom it does say PEACE, but written around the edges it say THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER.

Thought of Charles andSgt Tom and other lizards when I put 'er on the bumper.

Thanks to LGF and Charles. Hit the tip jar on your way out.

83 William  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:35:33pm

Joseph #34, you can Adopt a Sniper:

[Link: www.adoptasniper.org...]

You would be making a direct impact (no pun intended).
 

84 Geepers  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:35:42pm

Norwegian kafir,

LOL. You and me both, I've only got 17. :-)

85 Frank_Mtl  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:36:11pm

#61 NuclearTinkerbell
IMO, Zulubaby is a First Class Lizaroid :-)

86 huckfunn  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:37:08pm

Geepers:

Love that boat. Would have come in handy in Texas today.

87 Jheka  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:37:23pm

The way I see it, LGF is the hurricane (and I was here when it was a tropical depression) and it has spun off numerous tornadoes by former and current LGF posters including (but not limited to) Colt's Eurabian Times, Papijoe's Marlowe's Shade, E. Nough's Thinking Meat, Evariste and Zorkmidden's Discarded Lies (formerly, LGF Watch Watch), Allah's Allah Pundit (who became quite a hurricane himself before deciding to pack it in about a month ago; here's hoping that he comes back rested and full of righteous anger at the infidels), Scaramouche's Scaramouche, Hans Ze Beeman's Cum Grano Salis, The Vizier's The Grand Vizier, Iowahawk's Iowahawk and my own little blog, among many, many others. Not only has LGF inspired these and other blogs, but Charles was instrumental in giving many of us our first push out of the gate. Cox & Forkum, for example, may not have become the massive success that they are now if Charles hadn't given them a ton of positive exposure early on.

My point is that LGF's success and influence cannot be measured simply by what goes on at LGF. It reaches quite a bit farther than that, And Charles? Thanks.

88 William  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:38:45pm

DocDublU writes:

From a distance it looks like a peace sign. But when you get up close, like waiting behind me at a stop light, you can see that the peace sign is actually a strategic swept wing bomber. At the bottom it does say PEACE, but written around the edges it say THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER.

You'll like this one:

[Link: www.a-10.org...]
 

89 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:38:49pm

OT:

French media: Israelis aided Ivory Coast military in attacks

"Israel mercenaries assisting the Ivory Coast army operated unmanned aircraft that aided aerial bombings of a French base in the country," claimed French television station TF1 on Wednesday morning.

Le Monde newspaper also reported Wednesday that a group of 46 Israeli advisors operated an eavesdropping and intelligence center for the Ivory Coast military.

An Israeli defense source quoted Wednesday morning on Israel Radio said there is no truth to the French reports that Israelis assisted the Ivory Coast in its attacks on French military installations.

90 AH  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:42:14pm

Zulu #77

Brigitte Gabriel is featured on the "From Hate To Love" DVD with Walid Shoebat. You can see the trailer at [Link: www.shoebat.com...] I highly recommend.

91 DocDublU  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:42:48pm

William

Oh, yes, I love that pic. And I do believe this aircraft to be my absolute favorite "close air support"

A10 Warhog.

They flew em out of Williams AFB in Mesa, Az up until 5 years ago and we used to stand on the T Box of Superstition Springs Golf Course and watch do touch and goes. One tough little airplane and quite survivable at that.

92 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:43:17pm

#67, rayw

I laugh each morning when I pick up the paper and see events that are sometimes 48 hours old.

While we are unquestionably dependent upon the mainscream media for raw materials, it's the editorial slant, analysis, and fact-checking LGF has that makes this blog what it is.

Because the War on Islamofascism is the biggest news story out there, we've attracted a critical mass of people with expertise from all sorts of fields. There are certainly other blogs focused narrowly on other issues, but since those issues may not attract as much interest, they also don't attract as many posters with expertise.

Someone was asking if what we do here changes the real world. To them I say, where have you been? The professional journalists are threatened by what we do, because we can counter the spin they want to put on the stories they report. Walter Cronkite could be the "most trusted man in America" when we didn't really have a choice. Now, thanks to LGF and the others who worked on the CBS memos story, his protegé has been described as "the most busted man in America." Sure LGF has had an impact, and it's just going to grow.

Whether Rather ends up resigning or not, he and his colleagues in the press are on notice that the audience is pointing the camera back at them, and asking some tough questions about how they've been doing their job.

93 Geepers  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:44:36pm

Thanks Jheka,

We were just talking about all the LGFers blogs today.

94 Jheka  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:46:31pm

#89 Kragar:

Yeah, I saw that yesterday and had a couple of questions about it. Mr. Dreyfus to the white courtesy phone ...

95 greyfox  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:48:25pm

Lurker - First post
Been here since the Memo/Rather crap
Don't know how I was directed here, followed some link.
Bookedmarked LGF instantly.
Have been following LGF since. Much information, (and much crap).
very inlightning Thanks a bunch.

96 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:49:35pm
Much information, (and much crap).

Well, Sturgeon's Law, you know. ;)

97 Psicattus  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:54:24pm

#67

"I laugh each morning when I pick up the paper and see events that are sometimes 48 hours old."

I admit to a little chuckle as well. Charles and the Blogosphere have done an excellent job of presenting the news.

98 cba  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:55:11pm

Charles, I have a question--how many new registrations came very soon after Rathergate?

99 armytramp  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:55:27pm

#34

Has LGF done any good?

YES.

It is here that I was first introduced to the activist organizations that support the innocent women and children of Iraq and Afghanistan and our fine military troops in the Middle East.

LGF'ers are always diligent about posting the web info of important organizations such as Operation Give, Operation Iraqi Children, and Soldier's Angels.

www.soldiersangels.com lets you "adopt" a soldier far away from home who doesn't have the family, money or other resources that other soldiers enjoy. It must be brutal to be thousands of miles from home and not be among those getting letters and packages. At [Link: www.soldiersangels.com,...] you are assigned a soldier, you learn about his/her interests, and you commit to sending letters and packages in support. I learned about [Link: www.soldiersangels.com...] here and now have a young Sergeant to take care of who is now in Fallujah.

Since learning about Operation Give and Operation Iraqi Children, I have been able to send multiple packages to Iraq for the support of our troops and to equip schools in Iraq. I have personally sent more than 500 items and have spread the news to friends and family. I have now sent boxes and boxes of toys, chalk, magic markers, paper, pens, pencils, toiletries, deoderant, soap, shampoo, books, comics, cd's, games, puzzles, dvd's, letters, handi-wipes, moisturizer, and other goods. I like to imagine that this has made a difference.

I learned about these worthy causes here and do not believe I would have been as motivated without the LGF team and definitely would not have learned about these causes since they have received little attention from the MSM (with the exception of Gary Sinise's support as seen on FOX).

I have readily circulated much of the information links to friends and family and believe I have turned a few minds to our cause. Most people are simply unaware of the truth about radical Islam.

My father is a terrorism specialist and he does not get some of this information himself (he specializes in bomb disposal). I send him everything I think may be of use. Some of his colleagues did not even read sites like [Link: www.memri.org...] They do now.

This site has also brought a lot of info to the attention of the alternative news outlets. We know that we are being watched and have made an impact on the election (RatherGate is a perfect example). Without LGF and its legion of fact checkers, as well as other brains in the blogosphere, the lies that CBS told would never have come to light. Ten years ago, there was no alternative news source to the MSM. There is now.

Had my say. Off to bed.

100 Jheka  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:55:48pm

#93 Geepers:

I missed a few ... War Photoblog, for one ... These stat threads give me hope. Right now, I'll generally get from 60-600 unique hits (525 so far today with about 5 hours left) and average just over 200 a day if I'm not taking a day or 2 off. It doesn't seem like much by LGF standards, but I've increased my hits every month since I started back in May and it looks like November will be no exception.

101 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:56:53pm

#31, William

From your link:

[I]ncreasingly, as they run they are coming into the crosshairs of American snipers, crackshots such as Sergeant Marc Veen and his long-barrelled rifle, Lucille.

Rock n' Roll, Lucille!

102 Jheka  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:58:02pm

I just noticed that registration is closed. Were we having another trollapalooza?

104 blackpajamas  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:59:36pm

LGF in 2004 is like Fark was in 2001

less trolls, more relevance

don't degenerate like Fark did!!!

105 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:59:49pm

Hey, kids, look what I found in my inbox!

"Yiddish with Dick and Jane."

106 applesweet  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 5:59:55pm

#87 Jheka

Don't forget Wretchard. He started posting here back in November of '02. Now he's got his own blog, Belmont Club.

107 Jheka  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:02:22pm

#106 applesweet:

I'm not sure that I realized that Wretchard posted here before starting Belmont Club. Another hurricane.

108 hepcat  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:02:22pm

Total open entries: 13,456
Total comments: 1,168,891
Total registered users: 9,715

and 99% more informative than MSM.

109 Throbert McGee  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:03:36pm

Charles, speaking of statistics, may I suggest a poll to help gauge how many swing voters LGF has produced?

People have often commented on the irony of LGF's MSM designation as a "conservative blog," since it's well known that many regulars here would hesitate to label themselves "conservative." Yet LGF regulars overwhelmingly supported Bush's re-election.

I would suggest a wording like this (and non-U.S. readers could respond as though they had been able to vote in the election):

( ) I voted for Bush in 2004, and almost certainly would have voted for him even if 9/11 had not happened.

( ) I switched sides to vote for Bush in 2004, mainly because of 9/11.

(•) I switched sides to vote for Bush in 2004, and what I've learned on LGF and other blogs influenced that decision as much as or more than the events of 9/11.

( ) I did not vote for Bush in 2004.

(†) I have a flat butt and big thighs

Besides providing some useful numbers for your own media relations, I think a poll like this could potentially be valuable in helping lizards woo center-left friends into the Reptilian Cabal. It would be cool if lizards could play a role in recapturing the Democratic party from the moonbats.

110 Renna  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:05:07pm

I agree lgf is usually way ahead of the news. It has ruined my morning paper as all I can think is "That is sooo 36 hours ago."

But did I miss where we celebrated this?

An Islamic militant wanted in the murder of American Journalist Daniel Pearl was killed Wednesday in a shootout with Pakistan police who were trying to arrest him, officials said.
111 Peter Griffin  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:06:20pm

From a recent graduate of local message boards now pursuing his graduate degree in the blogosphere...

Cheers!!

112 applesweet  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:08:50pm

Jheka,

Wretchard started blogging in April of 2003.

BTW all, he has changed his blogging format. He's not just doing essays now, but smaller works that invite more interaction from his readers/posters.

113 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:08:56pm

#106,

Wow. I hadn't realized that.

Wretchard's debut back on a thread with a mere 10 comments!

114 hillbilly geek  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:11:21pm

OT and on the Lighter Side:
Our Prez had a great speech today when he pardoned the Thanksgiving turkey. He really seemed to enjoy himself.

No way the left can claim that this one was plastic!

115 Frank_Mtl  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:12:09pm

# 109 Thobert McGee

I wish there would also have been an option like this :

( ) I am not American. If I were, I would have voted for Bush in the blink of an eye.

116 Geepers  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:13:46pm

And Rugby the Rat's blog. I don't think we should underestimate the significance of Rugby's influence on the rodent population. ;-)

Plus I agree with Throbert, how many LGFers are swingers? We need a poll.

117 DocDublU  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:14:24pm

OT

PETITION IN SUPPORT OF THE MARINE CAPTURED IN SHOOTING VIDEO. Please show your support by signing this petition.

[Link: www.asoldiersblog.com...] Scroll down to the Petition posting and you will be led to the correct area.

Over 6800 signatures already. Terrorists playing possum and pretending to be dead only to rise up and shoot at Coalation forces or detonate explosives have occured all over Iraq recently. This brave soldier needs our support.

118 Frank_Mtl  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:14:32pm

ThRobert : Sorry for the misspelling :-)

119 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:15:15pm

OT


25 year flood event (about the fourth time in the last 25 years, IIRC) for Barton Creek above the Barton Springs Pool

That link is for the stream flow.
This link is about Barton Springs

I never actually swam in the pool, because they charge admission, but I once drank some beer in the park during an SPE student chapter picnic, and swam (waded, really) just downstream. Water was cold, IIRC, it remains about a constant 20C year round, although I imagine in flood events like this the spring water's effect on is negligible compared to the volume of the creek water. BTW, either somebody in the pool was eating crawfish, or there is some kind of predator in the creek that eats crawfish, as I found a couple of crawfish claws that day.

Besides Barton Creek and Onion Creek in Austin, portions of the Nueces River, Atascosa River, San Antonio River, Frio River, Medina River, Guadalupe River, Blanco River and San Marcos River are all experiencing some flooding.


SAN MARCOS RIVER BELOW LULING.
MAJOR FLOODING IS OCCURRING.
LATEST STAGE: 29.2 FEET AT 545 PM WEDNESDAY.
BANKFULL STAGE: 11.0 FEET.
FLOOD STAGE: 20.0 FEET.
FORECAST: WILL CREST AROUND 32.5 TOMORROW AFTERNOON.
WILL FALL BELOW FLOOD STAGE SATURDAY AFTERNOON.

AT 32.0 FEET PALMETTO STATE PARK IS UNDER WATER WITH WATER IN THE LARGE PAVILLION BUILDING. THERE IS EXTENSIVE DAMAGE TO ROADS...SIGNS...CAMP SITES AND
THE PAVILLION BUILDING. LIVESTOCK ARE CUT OFF AND DROWNED IN THE FLOOD PLAIN BELOW SAN MARCOS TO GONZALES. THE LOWEST SECTIONS OF THE GOLF COURSE IN LULLING ARE UNDER WATER..


I once ate lunch along the banks of the San Marcos river in Luling. BBQ from "The City Market" along US 90. Field trip to the famous Luling Oil Field.

If the wind is right (gentle, from the north), when you are driving between Houston and San Antonio on I-10, you might be able to smell the gentle odor of rotten eggs, the trace amounts of H2S produced from the Upper Cretaceous Edwards Limestone along with that oil.


Hydrogen sulfide is pretty dangerous stuff, above 10 ppm, you can't smell it anymore due to paralysis of the olfactory nerve, at 100 ppm, you will become sick and possibly lose conciousness during an 8 hour work day, and at concentrations between 500 ppm and 1000 ppm instant respiratory paralysis and death occurs.


But I like to think of it as the smell of money.

120 Model4  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:17:37pm

OT, but too funny: On Drudge in red (no link)

WASH POST LEAD THURSDAY: U.S. has information indicating Iran is working on developing nuclear missile... Developing...

Ya think? Here's an entry Charles did in May. Of 2003! There may have been earlier, just searched for "Manhattan"

So Iran has a missle program built for long range, suitable for jack squat besides delivering WMDs. You know, the missles they parade around painted with "Death to America" and "Death to Israel." And Iran has a nuclear weapons program. And the WaPo has deduced that the imam may be, just may be, looking to put his nuclear warhead chocolate into the mullah's continental missle peanut butter. That's how great tasting discoveries are made!

Freaking tools. By the time all's said and done, the libs will swear on a stack of Bibles (they're into that this election cycle) that they were begging Bush to invade Iran since before 9/11, but he just didn't care about WMD proliferation.

121 BXEKLT  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:17:39pm

That Suzy chick that Joe Namath slobbered all over. What does she think of the Monday nite football lead in?

122 OilStooge  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:18:10pm

OT

Anyone see that Instapundit just linked to LGF with regard to the debate on the NBC shooting video?

I think I saw Confederate Yankee posting here yesterday sometime.

123 zulubaby  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:18:17pm

AH (#90)

I'm just surprised I've never heard of her before. A friend of mine sent me the link to that video on Phyllis Chesler's website and I only managed to watch it tonight. I was blown away -- Brigitte Gabriel's story is amazing. It also lifts the spirits to know that there are people out there who see the truth.

124 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:21:06pm

#109, Throbert be stylin'

( ) I think I accidentally voted for Pat Buchanan.

125 Geepers  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:23:36pm
( ) I think I accidentally voted for Pat Buchanan.

LOL.

126 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:25:07pm

#125,

That joke is so 20th Century.

127 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:25:57pm

121

I remember saying somewhere that I thought Suzie Kolber was kinda hot, but somebody told me that she isn't into men, but I don't know anything other than that.


I told my wife it is too bad she isn't one of the NFL/MLB/NASCAR sideline women like Michelle Tafoya, Pam Oliver, Bonnie Bernstein or Jeannie Zelasko, because then she'd make enough money for me to stay home with the kids, and every weekend I'd be at a premium sporting event.

My wife didn't like that.

128 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:27:53pm

Make that:

...so last millenium.

129 Sojourner  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:31:43pm

77 Zulu,

Thankys, I'll watch it :)

90 AH

Thanks for the link. I heard Shoebat on Dennis Prager, what a strong and decent, honest man.

God bless and keep him.

130 Throbert McGee  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:31:46pm
# 109 Thobert McGee

I wish there would also have been an option like this :

( ) I am not American. If I were, I would have voted for Bush in the blink of an eye.

If Charles does put up such a poll, I think he should instruct all LGFers to vote whether they're American or not. Because if, say, a Brit who was anti-Bush in early 2003 -- i.e., after 9/11, with Iraq looming on the horizon -- later became a Bush supporter because of information provided by LGF, well, that's something Charles would do well to publicize!

As an American, I can say that I almost certainly would've voted AGAINST Bush had it not been for LGF -- because Bali, Madrid, Beslan, the countless smaller attacks in Turkey and Thailand and India and elsewhere, and the whole fucking Palestinian intifada would've been news blips for me, so I would've gone with Kerry over the gay marriage issue.

(Okay, maybe I'm exaggerating a little -- there are news sources other than LGF, and after the clues provided by 9/11, Bali, Madrid, etc., most likely I'd have pieced it all together, and I probably would've found Ibn Warraq and the ex-Muslim movement through atheist websites, so maybe I would've voted for Bush even without LGF. But having Charles around sure didn't hoit!)

131 Frank_Mtl  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:37:31pm

# 130 Throbert McGee
You are one cool Rugby Rat Master :-)

132 Throbert McGee  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:37:59pm
I don't think we should underestimate the significance of Rugby's influence on the rodent population

Rugby has ways of influencing the primate population, too...

133 Belize042  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:41:34pm

OT:

Just noticed this headline on Charles' column of "world news:"

U.S.: Iran May Seek to Mate Missile, Nuclear Warhead

WTF kind of sick stud service are the mullahs running?

134 Al di Grandpa  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:42:40pm

Charles, soon LGF will become LARGE. I don't want to see this wing of LGF or that wing of LGF. Ok, maybe a troll wing, but that's it. Always: the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

Congratulations! and as always let's take it to the next level.

Still concerned about the news blackout concerning the Marine in Fallujah. He will have the best defense our money can buy. Period.


Al

135 motorcycle mom  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:49:32pm

109 Throbert McGee

I would like to know how many readers he has gained
because of cBS and good ole Dan. I am one that found this site because of memogate.

136 Catttt  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:53:46pm

Congratulations Charles!!! It's a first-rate blog and a great service to all who visit it.

And OT
Marine Killed by "Dead" Terrorist

Marine Lance Cpl. Jeramy Ailes, 22, of Gilroy was killed Monday in Al-Fallujah by small arms fire.

``They had finished mopping up in Fallujah and they went back to double-check on some insurgents. From what we gathered, somebody playing possum jumped up and shot him,'' said his father, Joel Ailes, who learned of his death Monday evening. ``It's extremely hard.''

137 SkippyMoment  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 6:59:45pm

#77 Zulubaby

The hatred between the arabs and jews (Isreal) goes way back to the time of Issac and Ishmel. This is a hatred of biblical proportions. Anyone that thinks there is an easy 'fix' for the unrest and attacks on Isreal, is smoking catnip. But I do agree with your points on the subject.

#109 Throbert McGee

"(†) I have a flat butt and big thighs"

rotflmao... too funny

#117 Doc DublU

Thanks for the tip. I visited the site, and signed the petion.

All, if anyone wants to support the troops in a more tangible way, maybe you could write letters and send care packages. Check out [Link: www.adoptaplatoon.com...] or [Link: www.operationac.com...] both are excellent ways to make a difference in someone's life. I adopted a soldier last year who is now home with his family. He was blown away by the idea that a perfect stranger would take the time to write to him. I'm now the proud den mother to a small platoon of Marines (I think they are in Fallujah now - a tank platoon). Just at thought.

Charles... thanks for being part of the solution and not the problem, and for providing this forum.

138 knotboy  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:02:14pm

Memogate brought me here. Saw Brit Hume mention it and whammo, LGF is now on my morning list of sites to vist for the news.

139 SkippyMoment  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:02:35pm

oops

www.adoptaplatoon.org
[Link: www.operationac.org...]

my bad (boy is my face red)

140 pookleblinky  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:03:48pm

Way OT:

Article on Islamic Abrogation of "good" portions of the Koran

[Link: debate.domini.org...]

141 pookleblinky  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:04:56pm

Damn. The link isn't working

142 justdanny  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:05:32pm

I kind of started my own blog this past saturday. I say kind of because it just seems so weird to say 'my' and then 'blog'. Chances of it being anything worth visiting regularly are very slim. I just can't get real motivated about it, yet? Feels very uncomfortable. In my very first post I blamed Charles and Evariste and Zorkimidden in the event it goes very very wrong. I clearly would not have started it without the influence of LGF and Discarded Lies.

143 Lewis  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:06:00pm

#109 Throbert McGee

(•) I switched sides stopped voting third party to vote for Bush in 2004, and what I've learned on LGF and other blogs influenced that decision as much as or more than the events of 9/11.

144 pookleblinky  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:11:00pm

Here's the text (Hope I don't get sued):

Tolerance in Islam
by M. Rafiqul-Haqq and P. Newton
"There is no compulsion in religion." (The Qur'an 2:256)
This Qur'anic verse is used by Muslims to defend themselves against the charge that Islam is an intolerant religion. The charge of intolerance has been haunting Muslims everywhere since the beginning of Islam. Is this charge well founded or is it a false one?
To answer this question we shall look at what the Muslim scholars have said about the issue and at this verse in particular. We will also look at some historical facts related to that issue.
NO COMPULSION - WHEN?
Of the verse "There is no compulsion in religion", the scholar Nahas said:
"the scholars differed concerning Q. 2:256. Some said: 'It has been abrogated [cancelled] for the Prophet compelled the Arabs to embrace Islam and fought them and did not accept any alternative but their surrender to Islam. The abrogating verse is Q. 9:73 'O Prophet, struggle with the unbelievers and hypocrites, and be thou harsh with them.' Mohammad asked Allah the permission to fight them and it was granted. Other scholars said Q. 2:256 has not been abrogated, but it had a special application. It was revealed concerning the people of the Book [the Jews and the Christians]; they can not be compelled to embrace Islam if they pay the Jizia (that is head tax on free non-Muslims under Muslim rule). It is only the idol worshippers who are compelled to embrace Islam and upon them Q. 9:73 applies. This is the opinion of Ibn 'Abbas which is the best opinion due to the authenticity of its chain of authority."[1]
In exempting the Jews and the Christians from Q. 2:256, the Muslim scholars agree that the idol worshippers can be compelled by force to embrace Islam.
It is clear that, whether Q. 2:256 was abrogated or not, the scholars quite naturally admit to the historical fact that "the Prophet compelled the Arabs to embrace Islam and fought them and did not accept any alternative but their surrender to Islam."
THE JUSTIFICATION FOR COMPULSION
The Muslim theologians had to justify this compulsion. Here is the reason given by a famous scholar:
"No compulsion" is a condemnation of compelling people to do evil generally, but compelling people in the truth is a religious duty. Does the infidel get killed for any thing except on the basis of his religion? The Prophet said: I have been ordered to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah. This Hadith is taken from the words of Allah 'Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah (Q. 2:193).
If some one asks how can people be compelled in the truth when the mere fact of compelling indicates a the violation of the will of the one compelled? The first answer is that Allah sent Mohammad calling people to Him, showing the way to the truth, enduring much harm ... until the evidence of Allah's truth became manifest ... and His apostle became strong, He ordered him to call people by the sword ... hence there is no more an excuse after being warned. The second answer is that people first are taken and compelled, but when Islam becomes prevalent ... and they mix and make friends ... their faith strengthens and finally becomes sincere."[2]
According to the above :
1. Muslims believe that they have the right to compel people to accept Islam because it is the truth.
2. Muslims believe that Mohammad was given a divine command to fight against people, not in self defence or for economical or political reasons, but because people do not worship the one Mohammad worshipped.
3. The above scholar had no value for the human free will. To him, forcing Islam on people is justified if later on they will become Muslims. It is not an exaggeration then to say that the sword is Allah's final word...

Here's the link again to the full text. Hope it works this time: [Link: debate.domini.org...] If not, google Abrogation+ Islam

145 J.D.  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:17:02pm

OT
In tomorrow's WSJ.

...Beyond the one incident, think of what the Marine and Army units just accomplished in Fallujah. In a single week, they killed as many as 1,200 of the enemy and captured 1,000 more. They did this despite forfeiting the element of surprise, so civilians could escape, and while taking precautions to protect Iraqis that no doubt made their own mission more difficult and hazardous. And they did all of this not for personal advantage, and certainly not to get rich, but only out of a sense of duty to their comrades, their mission and their country.
In a more grateful age, this would be hailed as one of the great battles in Marine history--with Guadalcanal, Peleliu, Hue City and the Chosin Reservoir. We'd know the names of these military units, and of many of the soldiers too. Instead, the name we know belongs to the NBC correspondent, Kevin Sites.

We suppose he was only doing his job, too. But that doesn't mean the rest of us have to indulge in the moral abdication that would equate deliberate televised beheadings of civilians with a Marine shooting a terrorist, who may or may not have been armed, amid the ferocity of battle.


Semper Fi - The story of Fallujah isn't on that NBC videotape.

146 zulubaby  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:17:12pm

SkippyMoment (#137)

Anyone that thinks there is an easy 'fix' for the unrest and attacks on Isreal, is smoking catnip.

I certainly never suggested as much, and encourage you to watch the video.

147 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:17:52pm

OT,

Rumblings in North Korea.

Roger L. Simon's blog notes public denunciations of Kim Jong-Il.

Recent reports indicate that some public portraits of Kim Jong-Il have been removed, and North Korean state media have changed how Kim is publicly referred to.

All this following the recent death of Kim's "consort", Koh Young-hee, who died of cancer after being treated unsuccessfully at a Paris hospital.

French medicine does it again!

148 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:20:48pm

Ya think Kim Jong-Il saw a pirated copy of Team America?

"I'm so ronery... so ronery..."

149 Catttt  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:28:46pm

Charles, I was reading lgf entries from back in 2002, and found one that dubbed you "the capo di tutti capi of anti-Idiotarianism." Liked it so much I am posting it here.

150 I.K.Chain  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:29:21pm

With LGF (and many other sites) we are seeing the next step in the information age.

In a few years the MSN will be gone. Propaganda will be dispelled in a matter of seconds. Because of the internet.

The truth will be told ...and it started here.

I'm glad to be a witness to it.

151 rtheyserius  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:29:24pm

Charles,

HOO-RAH!

152 SkippyMoment  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:31:25pm

#146 Zulubaby

So sorry if you got the impression I thought you fit into the category of 'easy fix' people, that was not what I meant by the comment. I was, in my own lame way, trying to agree with you, and add to the discussion.

There are too many talking heads out there (in the MSM) that promote that bilge, and use it as a way to beat up on Bush. They out right state that he's making it worse, and skerry or their guy could do better; they/he can't because it is so far beyond that simplistic view of the world.

I plan to watch the video.

153 blackpajamas  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:32:36pm

#109 Throbert McGee 11/17/2004 08:03PM PST

(&bull) When I die, I will come back like the Grudge to haunt Liberals for all eternity, or until Ted Kennedy's B.A.C. goes lower than 50%


154 ferrethouse  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:35:40pm

The internet is the last hope of conservatism. We have the better message and liberals don't want you to hear it. Thanks LGF for spreading the word.

155 Lewis  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:39:26pm

#150 I.K.Chain

Propaganda will be dispelled in a matter of seconds. Because of the internet.

Not quite true. Much of what is posted here is basically pro-U.S. propaganda. Be careful now: I'm not saying Charles lies or anything -- far from it. But information is given a positive U.S. spin. And seeing how this is in marked contrast to the seemingly relentless anti-Americanism from the MSM, it's a welcome fresh perspective.

As long as the information remains true, I'm good with it. Because I actually want our side to win.

The MSM are largely propagandizing for the enemy, as far as I'm concerned. Fcuk them.

156 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:40:11pm

#142 justdanny

I kind of started my own blog this past saturday.

Cool! Bookmarked... right in between Darleens' and Evariste & Zorkmidden's.

I just can't get real motivated about it, yet? Feels very uncomfortable.

Don't worry about it, make it anything you want it to be -- hell, just post random thoughts if you want. No need to be Tolstoy!

157 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:41:00pm

OT,

The mutilated woman's body found previously by Marines in Fallujah has been positively ID'ed as Margaret Hassan.

God rest her soul.

158 I.K.Chain  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:46:53pm

#155

I guess propaganda is too strong a word...

It is the capabilty of this new media to ferret out the lies of the MSN and anyone else for that matter, that makes it so effective.

The informatin age should just that.

159 Bennette  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:51:30pm

Thanks, Charles, from another lurker/occasional poster. You are doin' a great job of getting the information out there.

Regards,
Nate Bennette

160 I.K.Chain  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:52:18pm

#155

I guess propaganda is too strong a word...

It is the capabilty of this new media to ferret out the lies of the MSN and anyone else for that matter, that makes it so effective.

The informatin age should BE just that.


Sorry...

161 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:53:04pm

How I wish that just one-tenth of the information which is contained here was placed directly in front of the eyes of our public on a consistant, daily basis.

Thanks Charles for all your contributions.

162 justdanny  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:53:20pm

#156 Spiny Norman

I'm just interested to see how it will pan out, or if it will peter out. But rest assured, it will never feature writngs about Peter Pan.

I'm keeping my expectations for it very low. I'm trying to do what you suggest. Thanks for the encouragement :)

163 Lewis  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 7:57:03pm

#160 I.K.Chain

It is the capabilty of this new media to ferret out the lies of the MSN and anyone else for that matter, that makes it so effective.

You bet. Bigtime.

Take that and choke on it, Mr. Rather.

164 SkippyMoment  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 8:01:53pm

"When the righteous triumph, there is great elation; but when the wicked rise to power, men go into hiding."
Proverbs 28:12

The wicked in Iraq may have their way for a while, but

"When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers." Proverbs 21:15

I know we win in the end.

Margaret Hassan, sacrificed by evil men for an evil purpose, may the LORD's mercy be on her soul. I pray for peace and comfort for her loved ones, who must be in agony right now.

165 Jakester  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 8:06:33pm

OT: This is too rich to pass up,
Our Muslim friends march in Berlin under No anti-Semitism banners on Al-Quds Day:


Salima, 11, said she didn’t know what anti-Semitism or occupation meant.

“We are here because of the war in Palestine,” she said.

Nadir, 17, said anti-Semitism meant that “the Israelis want the land for themselves.” Asked again about the meaning of anti-Semitism, she said “I have not heard about it.”


“We have respect for Judaism,” said Ali, 23, before adding, “But a Jew is not necessarily a Jew.”

“After Moses, Judaism has been turned around into something else,” he said.

At a press conference after the demonstrations, Dantschke said that “hard-liners are tougher to reach than the children and youth. There have to be discussions in schools. We have to build knowledge.”

And Germans should not be fooled by the posters and banners of today’s Al Quds Day, she added. The demand for a “greater Palestine is just a nicer way of saying that Israel has to be destroyed.”

166 psaturn  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 8:10:57pm

Congratulations Charles ! I had been a lurker for a looong time and now I look forward reading your blog at the same time as I do look at drudge report. How did I find your blog ? It is thanks to one of your reader that also posts at abcbodybuilding.com.

I tried to sign up for a long time but the registration keeps being CLOSED every time I tried to sign up.

Yeah, it is annoying to be called "conservative" blog...when one tries to be factual and objective.

167 I.K.Chain  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 8:22:52pm

GOODNIGHT...


GOD BLESS ONE AND ALL...


HAPPY THANKSGIVING...

168 zulubaby  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 8:26:49pm

The derangement continues unabated.

Democrats Question Kerry's Campaign Funds

"Democrats are questioning why he sat on so much money that could have helped him defeat George Bush or helped down-ballot races, many of which could have gone our way with a few more million dollars," said Donna Brazile, campaign manager for Al Gore's 2000 presidential race.

There's no cure for this kind of terminal stupidity.

169 zulubaby  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 8:32:14pm

From the article I linked to in #168:

Democratic Party leaders said Wednesday they want to know why Sen. John Kerry ended his presidential campaign with more than $15 million in the bank, money that could have helped Democratic candidates across the country.

And from this article: Kerry Says He's Not Ruling Out Another Run

Sen. John Kerry, who has $45 million left from his record-breaking Democratic campaign, hinted on Tuesday that he may try again for the presidency.
170 Jolly Roger  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 8:39:14pm

zulubaby,

Nice that the Democrats are now attacking their own traitor-candidate ;). Perhaps the answer is, 'We didn't spend it because it wouldn't have helped'.

171 eeevil conservative  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 8:57:22pm

Hey folks

I need some help

Does anyone have a source on how Osama first claimed that 9/11 was about getting US forces out of Saudi Arabia?

172 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 9:05:10pm
173 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 9:06:20pm
174 Mojo Jojo  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 9:07:39pm

Israel is having a good month. Arafat drops dead, French soldiers are whacked in Ivory Coast, & today 3 Egyptian 'policemen' are terminated. November must be 'payback' month.

175 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 9:10:32pm
176 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 9:13:54pm
177 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 9:17:40pm
178 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 9:22:34pm
179 Catttt  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 9:22:51pm

eeevil - link re out of Saudi Arabia

Eeeevil, the above transcript says he spilled the beans about his cause being to get the US out of Saudi Arabia in 1998. I didn't read the whole transcript re 9/11, etc., but it seems to lay out a chronology, so it might help.

And - going to bed.

Night.

180 eeevil conservative  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 9:27:44pm

Cattt

THANKS!!!

Night Night

181 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 9:30:46pm
182 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 9:30:49pm

#176 Rayra

Was going to surprise Charles with some if he (or I for that matter) ever makes it to an L.A. LGF meetup.

*ahem*

We had one, ya know...

;^)

183 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 9:32:45pm
184 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 9:43:46pm
185 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 10:07:42pm
186 alkmyst  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 10:18:05pm

Charles,

Thank you for this blog - I recommend it to everyone I speak with, and I finally got off my ass and hit the jar.
It's not much, but when I get a pay raise I'll see what I can do.

G'nite

187 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 10:29:26pm

Here's another couple of articles the Lefties can choke on.

It seems President Putin is a crafty little fellow since the programs appear past the funding and study stages and into the developmental. It takes more than 'a few years' to have a new system on the showroom floor.

Putin: We Develop New Atomic Bomb

Russian Nuclear Missile System Ready Within A Few Years

I wonder if he knows something about his questionable fiends(the Iranians, et al) we don't?

188 Smith Space Technologies  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 10:36:23pm

174 Mojo Jojo
Israel is having a good month. Arafat drops dead, French soldiers are whacked in Ivory Coast, & today 3 Egyptian 'policemen' are terminated. November must be 'payback' month.

Hey Mojo Jojo you forgot about the 'Plague of Locusts in Egypt'
Millions of pink locusts swarmed over Cairo, as seen in the Reuters photo where they obscure the Giza Pyramids.

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

By the way only 831,109 comments to go for two million (more than likely less than right now).

Thank you Charles and I also thank a wonderful Israeli woman that asked me to come here a while back ago.

Let's keep the good fight going!

189 Mr Pol  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 10:40:13pm

OT: Antwerp, Belgium: A Jewish father of five shot for being Jewish.

190 Mr Pol  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 10:40:49pm

Ah, forgot this... his name was Moshe Itzhak Naheh.

191 the_accidental_admin  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 11:04:37pm

I pretty much do nothing but lurk with the occaisional outburst breaking the Iron Fist rule of posting, it comes from being shy and quite introspective ,that and so many people here are so much more capable of saying what I think and feel with much more eloquent words than I could ever come up with. so thanks to Charles and all the other outspoken Lizards for providing me a place where at least I can feel at home and know that I am not the only person with the same opinions as so many of you.

192 glwing  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 11:16:55pm

191 the_accidental_admin

And you save your comments till the middle of the night when only insomniacs like me see them ;)

193 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 11:19:32pm

Or me!!!

194 glwing  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 11:21:18pm

Hey 'Nam :)

What you doing up?

195 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 11:24:23pm

Morning glwing,

I always get up around 3 or 4, it's the best time of the day, peaceful and quiet, making coffee and breakfest. :)

196 glwing  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 11:26:49pm

'Nam

Night owl here. Like the quiet time too :)

But not always up this late. Have bouts of insomnia.

Just been catching up on my reading.

Enjoy your breakfast.

197 zombie  Wed, Nov 17, 2004 11:56:10pm
#79 Norwegian kafir
#65: I only have 20 hat tips. I have some catching up to do ;-)

It took a bit of deciphering, but it looks like I am in the strange position of having more threads about me than I have hat tips. If I count corrently, I have only 10 hat tips but 14 additional threads that are on the topic of my photos, for a sort-of total of 24. Still about a million furlongs behind zulubaby.

198 zombie  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 12:27:36am
Total registered users: 9,715

What's I'm really curious to know is this: Is there a way we can see a list of the users, along with their "football stats"? Or is there no way to do that?

If not, I'm wondering how kosher or unkosher it would be to create a directory of LGF regulars: screen names, number of posts, and also any personal tidbits gleaned from their postings, and/or descriptions of their online personalities? As something for the FAQ area or something. A quick example would be:

bigel
No. of comments posted (since July 26, 2004): 1,091
Long-time lizardoid, famous across the Web for advocating the "Samson Option" whereby Israel, after enduring a nuclear strike either directly by or facilitated by Europe, retaliates with nuclear weapons against Europe itself. Easily the most controversial LGFer, primarily due to his unrelenting and unapologetic hatred of Europe and Europeans and their history of anti-Semitism.
Personal Details: American. Male. Jewish.
Honors: One of the very few lizardoids whose name has entered the English language as a verb: "bigelate."
Fun Fact: No one seems to know how the name "bigel" is pronounced!

And so on. Perhaps also (if known) each person's location: I like to visualize where each commenter is commenting from, but to be honest I can't always remember who's where: let's see, Beagle is in central Florida, zulubaby's in Santa Monica, Ed abu GOMEX in is Houston, evariste is in Chicago, and...and...well, that's about all I can come up with off the top of my head. It would be so handy to have a guide!

I think it would not only serve to educate newbies about who's who, but it would be quite interesting reading for the rest of us. And make us feel more like a community.

Or perhaps everyone just wants to keep their anonymity as much as possible?

Thoughts?

199 Colt  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 12:33:54am

Mr Pol: Any details on perps?

200 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 12:35:03am

#198 Zombie,

I am from Houston, but for 3 years now I live in Orange, Texas where I am retired at the ripe age of 57, does that help? :p

201 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 2:12:19am

OT- this is cheery news—
Powell Says Iran Is Pursuing Bomb
From the man who is/ was the Administrations “dove”.
The Iranians will use this as an excuse to call of the latest “deal” and the Euros will blame—Bush!

202 levi from queens  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 2:23:54am

I just received an e-mail from Don at Polygon Corp. asking why my computer was trying to send a virus to his. He also had a little blurb saying that his e-mail was virus-checked by some software package. I deleted it without reading it on general suspicion.

I show no outgoing e-mail. I use Norton both fire-wall and virus-check. Is there more I should do, or is Don just a spammer?

203 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 2:32:43am

#202,

Your email address was either used by a third party (or a trojan) to send to Don and what you see is an autoreply by Don or his firewall, or else Don is harvesting active emails from people who reply to his ruse.

You did the right thing, don't reply.

204 seadog  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 2:33:43am

#82 DocDublU

Bought a t-shirt from the company below that has the same sentiments...

Life, Liberty, Etc...

Goes over real well with NASA engineers.

/not

205 Luigi  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 2:41:34am

LastNightsBBCNews has a good piece on the difference between reality and the BBC's Fallujah 'reporting'. The BBC's 'reporter', embedded with the jihadis, apparently believes the Americans are the terrorists, and says so, while normal Fallujah residents have lived in fear of the Islamofascist monsters who have ruled Talliban-style with an iron hand until the U.S. Marines arrived.

206 papijoe  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 2:44:00am

Mornin', Dawn Patrol!

#87 Jheka

To add a few more to your list:

Thousand Sons
V the K/Furious J
Logic and Sanity
Medienkritik

and the Pollmeister, Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus:

The Baby Seal Club

207 Sarah D.  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:00:10am

OT

Anti-Semitism the fault of the Jews? According to the U.N. it is.

In the past, anti-Semitism as a phenomenon was absent from the Arab-Muslim world. Here, the Arab-Israeli conflict plays an essential role, but another important element is the perception of the State of Israel as the "Trojan horse" of the West in the Middle East. Anti-Semitism would therefore be a particular manifestation of the hatred felt for the West, partly for financial reasons. . . .

It was absent from the Muslim world? What planet are these people living on?

208 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:02:50am
209 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:04:18am
211 Smitty  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:16:38am

#209 AI

Jihadists have embeds as well???

Yes, they're called Reuters.

212 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:18:30am
213 hornet  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:22:37am

One of the announcers for our local radio station here said last night that the sight she visits first each day is LGF, explaining that there is a lot here that never gets into MSM.

Anyone reading news items and comments here will see the total lack of integrity/honesty with much of the MSM. The MSM spinmasters are very nervous. LLLs get more depressed as LGF becomes more succesful. They can't figure it out.

214 NDMNTX  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:25:55am

Morning all.

Even though I was up at about 5:20, Nam... 3 or 4 AM is a little early for me, but I do like the calm at sunrise and just before it. Best part of the day as far as I'm concerned.

Ed the weatherman, you may find this site interesting, if you haven't seen it already...[Link: www.extremeinstability.com...]

215 NDMNTX  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:30:00am

Hornet ... where would that be if I may ask?

216 Smitty  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:30:02am

#213 hornet

Two things:
1. I thought it was hilarious, immediately following the election, the MSM was very quick to jump all over the blogs for their "totally inaccurate exit-polling", etc. (as if the MSM would ever do that). But what they didn't acknowledge was that it was only the lefty blogs that were early to predict a Kerry win. The conservative blogs were accurate.
2. I read yesterday that TIME is condsidering "the Blogosphere" for 2004 Person of the Year

FWIW, Smitty

217 hornet  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:31:47am

#205 Luigi...Top ten list for MSM antisemitic awards has to include BBC right up there near no 1. Now they are calling USA terrorists!!!

218 hornet  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:36:44am

# 215 NDMN...The radio station is CFRA Ottawa, all day call in talk shows, with news every half hour. Announcer was Brigitte Pelorain (sp).

219 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:41:53am
220 Bubbaman  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:52:36am

Way OT - but in some ways a return to old:

How did the fish die? Was it overfeeding (of young boys), drinking too much of "his water"?

Here's what pathologist Cyril Wecht had to say:

Evidently, cancer, liver or kidney failure, heart or lung disease, systemic infection and hypertensive cerebral hemorrhage were all ruled out. From the perspective of a clinical-pathological differential diagnosis, the most likely diagnosis is AIDS.

I would have to concur. While it is conceivable that he died from complications of Hepatitis C (which one can also contract from playing with the bodyguards), his clinical appearance was more consistent with AIDS.

In the end it is really quite irrelevant - the fish's air-bladder has blown and he's become a floater. One bad paleonazi fish down, another 3+ million to go...

221 greenmamba  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:55:33am

NDMNTX: you can hear CFRA here by clicking on Listen Live. WARNING: some of the programming is not for LGFers with high blood pressure. Beware the 1 - 3 p.m. slot (EST) Mon - Thurs when the dreaded Michael Harris is on. He is a Bush/Sharon hater supremo and distorts news to make his points. The late afternoon guys are also mildly Liberal.

Hornet: 2 nights ago I heard John Robson mention that France put "Jerusalem" on Arafat's death certificate and guessed he probably got the information here. You've pretty much confirmed it.

222 Rainman  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:55:39am

Proud to be a registered user! OT, Anne Bayesfky's great column in today's Wall Street Journal, on a new UN conference report on Anti-Semitism (among other isms and "Islamophobia"): "The UN Discovers the Cause of Anti-Semitism: Jews". I believe you need a subscription to access this URL.

Excerpt:

At the end of the meeting a draft report, prepared with the assistance of U.N. staffers, was shared with participants, who now have a few days to confirm the outcome. The report will become a U.N. document, and it will be disseminated around the world. Here are some excerpts from the U.N.'s contribution to combating anti-Semitsm:

In practice, it is often difficult for an anti-Zionist type of expression not to be seen as simultaneously anti-Semitic. Nevertheless, several participants maintain that it is necessary to conserve the distinction between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism, whilst defending the right to be anti-Zionist without being branded an anti-Semite and also bearing in mind that most Jews were anti-Zionists before 1935. . . .
The genuine Zionism of many Jews helps to explain the fact that many people wrongly feel that most Jews lend their unconditional support to Israeli policies. That is why we have seen attacks on synagogues, arson attacks on schools, desecration of cemeteries, for reasons that have nothing to do either with religion, or education, or the peaceful rest of the deceased, but that have a great deal to do with a political and a territorial conflict. . . .

In the past, anti-Semitism as a phenomenon was absent from the Arab-Muslim world. Here, the Arab-Israeli conflict plays an essential role, but another important element is the perception of the State of Israel as the "Trojan horse" of the West in the Middle East. Anti-Semitism would therefore be a particular manifestation of the hatred felt for the West, partly for financial reasons. . . .

Recommentations:

. . . The leaders of Jewish communities should also act to distinguish defence of the State of Israel from the fight against anti-Semitism. . . .

Contextualising the memory of the Holocaust with that of other genocides and serious events in contemporary history in order to make sure that at the end of the day everyone can feel the Holocaust as their own tragedy, both Jews and non-Jews.

In other words, according to the U.N. experts' draft report, discrimination against individual Jews is bad, while "anti-Zionism"--the denial to the Jewish people of an equal right to self-determination--is not. Since it is the perception of unconditional Jewish support for Israel that leads people to attack a Jewish cemetery, and anti-Semitism was absent from the Muslim world prior to the Arab-Israeli conflict (the mufti of Jerusalem and his friend Hitler notwithstanding), the way to defeat anti-Semitism is for Jews to cut loose defense of the state of Israel. And by the way, anti-Semitism will diminish if only we stop emphasizing the unique horror of the Holocaust.

223 RickZ  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:57:24am

# 220 Bubbaman:

In the end it is really quite irrelevant

I beg to differ.

224 Crimsonfisted  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:59:07am

#34

All I can say is LGF has educated me, changed (meaning upgraded) my way of thinking, and those around me. I am no longer leading my life in ignorance on the Israeli / Pali situation, the WoT, Arafish, et al. I can't believe I am alone on this and this site has touched many others as the numbers indicate.

Thank you all and especially Charles!

225 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 4:01:33am

Looks like the Balestinians have discovered a new form of
"work accident":

Gaza weapons smuggling tunnel collapses

226 Smitty  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 4:02:02am

#218 hornet / #221 greenmamba

Fellow Ottawa-area LGFers!?

227 Ann  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 4:02:51am

Since this is the morning OT thread, an update on the Whitehouse torch...

Alanssi was central to the probe of Ali Hassan al-Moayad, a Yemeni sheik who called himself bin Laden's one-time instructor in Islamic law. Investigators recorded Alanssi and al-Moayad in Germany allegedly discussing a scheme to move money from an American Muslim to al-Qaida and Hamas, according to court filings and lawyers in the case. He's charged with conspiring to provide material support to the terror groups.


The story just keeps getting more interesting. The torcher's action may end up getting al-Moayad's case dismissed.

228 greenmamba  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 4:04:16am

#226 Smitty - indeedy

229 hornet  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 4:10:55am

#221 Grenmamba...LLL Mike Harris could certainly learn a lot from reading LGF, but then his blood pressure would blow. When people call his program with pro Israel views, he often cuts them off, or cuts in. Anyone with a pro palio view gets to spoute (uninterupted) for from 5 to 8 minutes, and that's when my blood boils. He's had me literally shouting explisits with the lies that come forth with no rebuttal . From time to time, individuals get in with truths about Israel, and that gets Harris aggrevated for the next half hour trying to explain away what has just been said.

230 hornet  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 4:14:11am

#226 Smitty. You are correct.

231 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 4:17:52am

#169 Zulubaby

Imagine the botox needed? yikes.

232 mas  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 4:19:48am

I also am happy to be a member of this forum.

Be sure and check out this site today - learn the truth behind the hype.

[Link: counterclintonlibrary.com...]

233 Bubbaman  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 4:25:40am

#223 RickZ

Are you a demogogue hatchet operative?

Please don't take my comments out of context. I didn't say his death nor the final diagnosis were irrelevant.

If the fish died from HIV or Hep C contracted by doing little boys, that's extremely relevant. But discerning which one of the two is less so.

Sadly, the MSM has been ignoring this one because of the homophobe issue.

234 Mr Pol  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 4:38:52am

#199 Colt

Any details on perps?

One witness says 'an Arab', the Belgian police will hold a press conference later today...

235 Shammer  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 4:40:03am
236 longwinger  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 4:40:30am

testing... :)

237 scaramouche  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 4:40:31am

Always eager to do my part to further the verbosity, I wanted to mention my morning chuckle. Today's National Post has an article (available on line by subscription) about the opening of the Clinton library. This new Little Rock landmark, a cantilevered structure that has already been dubbed "the ultimate in trailer park chic", has a variety of interesting tchochkes for sale in its gift shop. My favorite: no, not the full-sized replicas of Buddy the dog and Socks the cat; the hand painted plate of a the First Couple of Arkansas. Bill is recognizably Bill, but Hillary--that pouffy-hair, that blinding smile--looks exactly like...Gennifer Flowers!

238 Catttt  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 4:46:13am

OT
Belgian MP Goes into Hiding after criticising Muslims

Related story (already posted above) - Hassidic Jew shot dead in Antwerp.

"Mimount Bousakla, a Socialist senator in Antwerp, whose parents are Muslims from Morocco, reported the threat to the police, who took it seriously after the killing of the film-maker Theo van Gogh in the streets of Amsterdam this month.

The case of Ms Bousakla has strong parallels with that of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somali refugee to the Netherlands and former Muslim who became an MP and is now in hiding after criticising the oppression of women in Islam. "

239 LarryW2LJ  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 4:46:52am

Reading this thread early in the morning.

Congratulations, Charles! Tonight when I get home & after the kids are in bed; I'm gonna open a cold one and savor it in your honor.

Long live LGF !!!

240 Catttt  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 4:48:27am

236 longwinger

Hi there. Welcome to posting on LGF. :)

241 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:01:40am

Good morning!

Well, I guess the Toronto Star loses it's position as being the most vile, anti American piece of crap in Canada-for today at least. Anyone posted yet about Carolyn Parish and her latest outrage? Oy vey..

Disgusting POS Carolyn Parrish stomps on Bush doll for CBC televion "comedy".

242 Thom  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:04:06am

#241 WriterMom

Is she the one who thinks we're bastards and morons?

Bush's re-election must have sent her over the edge. I love it.

243 papijoe  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:06:35am

#237 scaramouche

You should put your blog on your profile.

That's a little tip that Sgt Jheka gave me back when I was an FNG...

244 Sean II  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:08:15am
245 pookleblinky  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:08:33am

OT:

MANAMA (Reuters) - Defying Islamic traditions, a Bahraini woman disguised herself as a bearded Muslim sheikh to lead Friday prayers but was stopped before she reached the pulpit, a cleric said on Thursday.

Sheikh Adnan al-Qattan of al-Fateh Grand Mosque said the 40-year-old woman identified as Fatima donned a fake beard and robe and entered his mosque last Friday to deliver a sermon.


"She was racing to get to the stand before me ... and I got suspicious and asked the guards to stop her and call the police," he told Reuters.


"At first I didn't think it was a woman. I thought it was just a cleric I didn't know. Then when her beard began to slide off and her voice grew soft during a scuffle we found out she was a woman," the sheikh said.


The woman was detained by police and then released without charge.


Under Islam, women are not permitted to lead prayers.

246 Geepers  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:08:37am

WriterMom (#241),

HA HA HA.

That is so funny.

I think we should burn Carolyn Parish in effigy.

You know, just as a humorous aside.

247 Bubbaman  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:08:41am

Charles, this item is worthy of its own thread:

57% of U.S. Voters have an unfavorable view of France

There's just too much good stuff in this poll by Rasmussen to mention. Read the whole thing!

248 lazytart  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:09:43am

Writermom,

Forgive me, but re: Carolyn Parrish, why does that c-t have a job?


I'm going to explode.

249 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:09:49am

#242 Thom

Yes, she is one in the same. The National Post suggested that if she doesn't get enough negative attention for her anti-American crap, she goes into withdrawl and has to pull an even more repulsive stunt. A real AH (attention 'ho).

OT: UN figures out cause of antisemitism: Jews!

Doncha love the UN?

250 Renna  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:10:50am

Many posters said that they were waiting for the LLL's heads to explode on Nov. 3rd. I thought they'd be upset, sure, but thought exploding heads was an extreme predicition.

Considering the folks in therapy, the attacks on campaign headquarters *after* the election, the wearesosorry website, and stunts like that, I will most humbly admit I was wrong. They did lose it. They've gone bonkers.

251 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:11:03am

Dark Horse TIME magazine Man/Person/Thing of the Year Candidate


Meik al-Moor.

For the LLL MSM, whats not to love?


(Handicapping this like a Heisman Trophy race, al-Moor was hurt when his team couldn't pull off the vicotry in the Big Game November 2, but TIME has to love his total yardage, and his stunning upset win at Cannes has given him momentum.)

Oh, and while talking about TIME, I would be remiss not to mention my reading of 'Newsweek"s explanation of the Phallus-tinian suicide bombers

The dream faded fast. At Camp David in July 2000, under the stewardship of President Bill Clinton, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered Arafat more than 90 percent of the West Bank, land swaps in exchange for continuation of a few Jewish settlements, Palestinian sovereignty over Arab East Jerusalem and shared administration of the sacred ground of the Temple Mount. International observers widely believe it was the best hope that the Palestinians had for a homeland in 40 years. Arafat walked away. Each side still blames the other for the talks' failure. A new intifada erupted in September 2000. Panicky Israeli troops gunned down dozens of Palestinian stone throwers, and suicide bombers responded with a wave of attacks that killed hundreds of Israeli civilians in cafes and buses.


They were just responding to panicky Israeli troops gunning down Pali youths.


I've now changed my mind entirely. The massacres at hotels, dolphinariums, pizza restaurants, buses. All Israel's fault

Newsweek

252 Thom  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:11:16am

#246 Geepers

I think we should burn Carolyn Parish in effigy.

Nah. Let's just burn her here.

</dumb joke>

253 pookleblinky  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:14:30am

OT

ADELAIDE, Australia - An Australian brewing company is offering six cases of beer to anyone who returns a statue of the baby Jesus stolen from a nativity scene earlier this week, brewery officials said Thursday.
The South Australian Brewing Company offered the reward after thieves swiped the statue from the company's traditional nativity display earlier this week.
Managing Director Mark Powell said security footage showed a man scaling a fence and lifting the baby Jesus from his manger.
"We are very concerned about the well-being of baby Jesus and we are calling for his swift and safe return," Powell said.
A reward of six cases of beer would be given to anyone who returns the statue, he said.
"That said, you would have thought that the incentive of a guaranteed exit through the right door after purgatory would be enough of an incentive in itself," Powell said.

254 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:14:47am

#248 lazytart

I dunno...good kneepads? Seriously though-it may be time to share our thoughts with the Canadian government. This is a list of all MPs, including the Prime Minister.

And, here is the contact information for the CBC Ombudsman's office.

Please, pretty please everyone drop a line.

255 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:17:05am

Speaking of the UN, the latest revelations of UNSCAM suggest that the funding of international terrorism might be sufficient to get Kofi's klatch's diplomatic immunity waived.

What I wouldn't give to be able to see that perp walk

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

256 Geepers  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:18:12am

WriterMom (#249),

Attention Whore?! What?

"After what they've put me through and lots of my colleagues, they can all go to hell. But he's not going to control me so all he's going to do is end up looking weak."

Gosh it just sounds like Carolyn is looking out for what's best for her constituents.

It sounds exactly like John Edwards "excuse" for not showing but 20% of the time: "They wouldn't give me what I wanted so I stayed home."

257 greenmamba  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:18:59am

Canucks:

Apparently the CRTC decision on FOX is out today. Insider scoop says it's a go. (CFRA baba Mark Sutcliffe)

259 Geepers  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:19:32am

Thom,

Effigy, Ottawa, Calgary, I don't care.

260 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:20:23am

#256 Geepers

The A.H represents western Toronto, which is chock full of Arabs-many, many Palestinians, too. She was a "Palestine" activist for many years before this most recent schtick. Mississauga is home of Palestine House, etc..

261 Raposa  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:20:33am

I started reading here maybe a month or so before Rathergate. In fact, all the CBS memo stuff went down while I was without internet access, off enjoying a vacation. It was really weird to come back and see the dramatic jump in traffic and the number of stories to catch up on.

I read all the stories, but usually stick to only 2 or 3 threads each day. We're so prolific, I can't read them all!

262 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:20:48am
263 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:21:23am

#254 - I heard those kneepads were missing from Clinton's new library (along with a critical examination of Whitewater, and the whole impeachment deal. Unlike the critical examinations of Watergate and Iran-Contra at the Nixon and Reagan's libraries, the Clinton library whitewashes the history, just as his apparatchiks consistently do in the media.

264 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:23:10am
265 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:23:17am

#258 Thom

Yes-I read about that. And I wouldn't trust her as far as I can throw her, and she's a chunky littlte piece of work. The only honourable thing would be to throw her out of the caucus immediately. Of course that doesn't go far enough, but it would be a start :(

266 Utahn  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:23:43am

I don't remember how I found this blog. I was a little before Rathergate. At the time I mostly read Frontpagemag.com and National Review for news/commentary and liked what I saw here, so I lurked a long while.

Thanks Charles and LGFers, all for the information. I was always vaguely pro-Israel, but I don't know I could've won an actual argument about it. The information here is invaluable.

I've been trying hard to get my family members into it too, they are conservative so I think one look and they'll be hooked too. The swearing will put my mom off though...

My siblings and parents and in-laws usually adopt a family to do a "secret Santa" thing each year. I think I'll look into those sites to adopt a soldier and see if they want to do that instead. One of the in-laws is in the Army in Korea and we're sending him all sorts of stuff, but its nice to reach beyond the immediate family. Thanks for those links!

267 greenmamba  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:26:27am

#260 Writer Mom: Crapolene Sharia. (The spoonerism almost works!)

I say she should be left alone to serve as a testament to those that elected her. They (Martin etc.) should just highlight that she represents Erindale Misseshugge and leave it at that. Let the voters there figure it out when everyone is laughing at them.

268 Thom  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:27:55am

I don't read the Globe and Mail very often, but it's a hoot!

CRTC likely to approve Fox News
Abrasive news channel will bring its "fair and balanced" approach to broadcasting to Canada

Fox News, the Canada-baiting house organ of the U.S. right, will come to Canadian digital television next year, the federal broadcast regulator is expected to rule today.

"House organ"? That sounds vaguely communist ...

The abrasive Mr. O'Reilly, in particular, has developed an intense, albeit negative, interest in things Canadian in the past two years.

He used his much-watched The O'Reilly Factor program as a launching pad for feuds with The Globe and Mail's John Doyle and Heather Mallick, and attacked, variously, Canadian teens (for being "ignorant"), the CRTC (for "banning" Fox), former prime minister Jean Chrétien (for being "a bum"), The Globe and Mail ("a far-left newspaper"), Vancouver Mayor Larry Campbell (for being soft on heroin users) and Canadian health care ("socialist").

Ziiing!

269 Geepers  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:30:09am

lawhawk (#253),

The knee pads might be missing but they got
Buddy the dog on display.

How tacky is that?

270 Judith  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:31:38am

Caroline "I hate those bastards" Parrish is going to appear tonight on the CBC show "This Hour Has 22 Minutes" stomping on a Barbie doll sized "Bush" figure with black jack boots.

Several MPs are calling for her to be booted out of the Liberal party including many liberals. What we need is a few Caroline Parrish dolls to stomp on.

This morning my e-mail included a message of outrage from one of those mythical moderate Muslim organizations fighting the implementation of Sharia law in Ontario (which I subscribe to), roundly condemning the vicious murder, and calling for action from the Canadian government.

271 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:31:57am

#264 song_and_dance_man:

Thanks for the addition info. However, while those 60 secret docs will be useful to the investigation, count on the fact that there's probably 600 or 6000 or 60000 other documents that the investigators don't even know about that would show just how infested Turtle Bay is with corrupted bureaucrats and who else was involved in UNSCAM.

We are still scratching the surface on this whole thing, and looking only at the UN is the tip of the iceberg. Just imagine what else can be found in Paris, Moscow, and other European capitals, African states, the Arab capitals, and various corporate and financial entities involved, most specifically BNP Paribas who was responsible for handling many of the financial transactions.

272 Judith  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:33:10am

Wow, good news from Thom. I look forward to seeing FOX in Canada. An antidote to crap like CBC radio referring to the savages who murdered Hassan as "opposition fighters".

273 DocDublU  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:33:35am

ARIZONA YWCA COUNTY DIRECTOR RESIGNS OVER MIDDLE EAST RESOLUTION SUPPORTING PALESTINE AND CONDEMNING ISRAELI AGGRESSION.

Read the YWCA resolution "For Freedom and Dignity in the Middle East" here

[Link: www.worldywca.org...]

This resolution calls for support of Palestine, condemnation of Israeli occupaction forces and constuction of the security fence, and asks for members to join the Nov 29th day of Palo solidarity. The US delegation to the YWCA congress was the only one to vote against this resolution.

274 Judith  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:35:07am

duh, "the vicious murder" was the killing of that 14 year old boy, not stomping the Bush doll.

Sheesh-time for that second cup of coffee.

275 traveler  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:36:08am

#271 lawhawk

We are still scratching the surface on this whole thing, and looking only at the UN is the tip of the iceberg. Just imagine what else can be found in Paris, Moscow, and other European capitals, African states, the Arab capitals, and various corporate and financial entities involved, most specifically BNP Paribas who was responsible for handling many of the financial transactions.

Shockingly, a French bank was involved, too...

[Link: insider.washingtontimes.com...]

276 Renna  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:38:14am

#268 Thom

It's very subtle and one could almost miss it, but I think they may have a less than favorable opinion of FoxNews. ;-)

Seriously, the scare quotes around fair and balanced and the description of Fox as part of the right isn't, IMHO, spin on their part. They probably genuinely think this to be the case. As I've always said, when you spend your life with your head tilted way, way left, things that are straight up and down look right-leaning to you.

277 Buck  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:38:43am

NATO invites Israel to joint military, anti-terror exercises
The North Atlantic Treaty Organization has suggested that the Israel Defense Forces, for the first time, take part in multinational military exercises and participate in anti-terror activities such as patrols in the eastern Mediterranean Sea.

NATO is also considering sending forces to the Gaza Strip after Israel implements the disengagement plan, if Israel and the Palestinian Authority reach an agreement on the withdrawal and ask for NATO help.

278 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:38:53am

#275 traveler:

Maybe I should have stated this in my #271, but BNP Paribas is a French bank (and prior to UNSCAM, most notably recognized for its sponsorship of the French Open Tennis Championship).

279 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:39:55am

#268 Thom

Actually, Canadian MPs are the only people in Canada at the moment who can access that nasty, right-wing FOX station (legally)...ha ha.

But, I am very curious about the aforementioned

"house organ of the U.S. right"

It sounds very masculine.

280 traveler  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:40:12am

Saw that after I posted -- my bad!

281 Renna  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:40:51am

#273 DocDublU

The YMCA in Gaza was used for the "awards" ceremonies where Saddam's money was handed out to the families of suicide bombers.

282 Joseph  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:41:25am

Brought to you today (most probably) by the RoP:

Moshe Yitzhak Na’eh, 25, is in critical condition after being shot in the head in a Jewish part of Antwerp early Thursday. He is manager of local synagogue and yeshiva
283 mglazer  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:43:19am

Did you know the Alexander movie is pretty gay?
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

284 traveler  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:45:07am

#281 Renna

The YMCA in Gaza was used for the "awards" ceremonies where Saddam's money was handed out to the families of suicide bombers.

What is up with the YMCA? Is this part of their international mission statement? They're sounding like the Presbyterian & Methodist Church Organizations, urging divestment from Israel until they quit being mean to the Palestinians...

285 pat  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:45:42am

Is Effigy in France? (weak joke)

286 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:46:07am
287 jlfintx  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:48:12am

OT

Any LGF'ers out there that can fact check this statement made by Hillary on Greta last night?

CLINTON: That's right. Well, you know, when we were first moving into the White House in 1993, there were, I think, 50 sites on the World Wide Web and it was mostly for scientists. And by the time Bill left there were, you know, I can't remember, some huge number like 50 million.

288 traveler  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:48:23am

#286 song_and_dance_man

Coleman also indicated that if the UN stonewalls on allowing it's officials to appear before the subcommitee for questioning, the US govenment would move towards no longer providing funding to the UN, which now stands at 22% of their annual budget.

I hope that's a serious ultimatum...We need to get those corrupt squatters outta here.

289 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:49:26am

OT: FISK on a bender and more warped than normal.

[Link: www.themercury.co.za...]

290 scaramouche  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:49:51am

#243 papijoe

You should put your blog in your profile.

Thanks, I already have.

291 Raposa  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:50:11am

#283

I knew Alexander was.

292 pookleblinky  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:50:50am

[Link: smithsonian.yahoo.com...]

In 93' there were 623 websites and about a million hosts.

293 Joseph  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:51:50am

#81 William: Thanks.. I tried to donate but it doesn't seem to work. I contacted them re the problem...

294 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:52:21am

I got drunk in 1993

295 EA  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:53:55am

Testing...1..2..3...

Still not blocked!!

Woohoo!!

296 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:54:10am

I started following LGF after hearing about it on LoneStarTimes.com (formerly Chronicallybiased.com) here in Houston, which was during Rathergate. I'm hooked on this site and even keep it up at work.

Way to go Charles! Cheers!

TPP

297 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:54:17am

er...forgot to past it

[Link: www.themercury.co.za...]
Innocence lost
November 18, 2004

By Robert Fisk

Who killed Margaret Hassan? After the grief, the astonishment, heartbreak, anger and fury over the apparent murder of such a good and saintly woman, that is the question that her friends - and, quite possibly, the Iraqi insurgents - will be asking.

This Anglo-Irish woman held an Iraqi passport. She had lived in Iraq for 30 years, and had dedicated her life to the welfare of Iraqis in need. She hated the UN sanctions and opposed the Anglo-American invasion.

So who killed Margaret Hassan?

Of course, those of us who knew her will reflect on the appalling implications of the videotape which, so her husband believes, is evidence of her death. If Margaret Hassan can be kidnapped and murdered, how much further can we fall into the Iraqi pit?

There are no barriers, no frontiers of immorality left. What price is innocence now worth in the anarchy that we have brought to Iraq? The answer is simple: nothing.

I remember her arguing with doctors and truck drivers over a lorry-load of medicines for Iraq's children's cancer wards in 1998.
She smiled, cajoled, pleaded to get these leukaemia drugs to Basra and Mosul.

She would not have wished to be called an angel - Margaret didn't like cliches. Even now I want to write "doesn't like cliches" - are we really permitted to say that she is dead?

For the bureaucrats and the Western leaders who express their outrage and sorrow at her death, she had nothing but scorn.

Yes, she knew the risks. Margaret Hassan was well aware that many Iraqi women had been kidnapped, raped, ransomed or murdered by the Baghdad Mafia. Because she is a Western woman - the first Western woman to be abducted and apparently murdered - we forget how many Iraqi women have already suffered this terrible fate, a fate that has largely gone unreported in a world which counts dead American soldiers but ignores the fatalities among those with darker skins and browner eyes and a different religion, whom we claim to have liberated.

And now let's remember the other, earlier videos. Margaret Hassan crying. Margaret Hassan fainting, Margaret Hassan having water thrown over her face to revive her, Margaret Hassan crying again, pleading for the withdrawal of the Black Watch from the Euphrates River basin.
Click here


In the background of these appalling pictures, there were none of the usual Islamic banners. There were none of the usual armed and hooded men. There were no Quranic recitations.

And when it percolated through to Fallujah and Ramadi that the mere act of kidnapping Margaret Hassan was close to heresy, the combined resistance groups of Fallujah - and the message genuinely came from them - demanded her release.

So, incredibly, did Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Al-Qaeda man whom the Americans falsely claimed to be leading the Iraqi insurrection, but who has very definitely been involved in the kidnapping and beheading of foreigners.

Other abducted women - the two Italian aid workers, for example - were freed when their captors recognised their innocence. But not Margaret Hassan, even though she spoke fluent Arabic and could explain her work to her captors in their own language.

There was one mysterious video that floated to the surface this year - a group promising to seize al-Zarqawi, claiming he was anti-Iraqi, politely referring to the occupation armies as "the coalition forces".

This was quickly nicknamed the "Alawi tape" - after the American- appointed ex-CIA agent and ex-Baathist who holds the title of "Interim Prime Minister" in Iraq, the same Alawi who fatuously claimed there had been no civilian deaths in Fallujah.

So if anyone doubted the murderous nature of the insurgents, what better way to prove their viciousness than to produce evidence of Margaret Hassan's murder?

298 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:54:42am

Cont.

No, of course we cannot say that Alawi was involved in Margaret Hassan's death, even though he would have hated her political views.

Just because the "Interim Prime Minister" is widely believed in Baghdad to have executed seven prisoners in the Amariya Police Station just before taking office - he denies this - should not suggest he would ever have a hand in so terrible a deed.

But the question remains: Who killed Margaret Hassan? - The London Independent

299 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:55:34am
300 papijoe  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:56:02am

#290 scaramouche

If you put it in the URL field of the "Add a Comment " section, it will be hyperlinked to your nic as well.

301 traveler  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:56:59am

Chirac still taking shots at Bush -- now, adding Blair.

This lunatic needs some serious medication -- or maybe he could be a substitute host for "rat-a-tat-tat" Chris Matthews.

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

Chirac is seriously in love with the sound of his own voice. Or is he getting more desperate as we uncover more of his screwing over the U.S.

302 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:58:13am

WSJ/OJ - Your Tax Dollars at Work - The U.N. discovers the cause of anti-Semitism: Jews.

Charles, this deserves a topic.

Yesterday the House International Relations Committee revealed that money from the United Nations Oil for Food program, which was supposed to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, helped pay the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. This shouldn't come as a surprise. The U.N. has a problem with anti-Semitism: It doesn't know what it is.
In order to figure it out, the Office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights and Unesco invited a group of experts to Barcelona last week. Their mission: to provide the U.N. special rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance, Doudou Diéne, with advice on anti-Semitism as well as "Christianophobia and Islamophobia."
From whom did the U.N. get advice? There was Tariq Ramadan of Switzerland's Fribourg University, who was denied entry to the U.S. in August on the basis of a law concerning aliens who have used a "position of prominence within any country to endorse or espouse terrorist activity" or are considered a "public safety risk or a national security threat." But apparently the U.N. thought it was worth listening to the views on racism of someone who said on Sept. 25, 2001, that "[Osama] Bin Laden is perhaps a useful straw man, like Saddam Hussein, whose diabolical representation perhaps serves other geo-strategic, economic or political designs."
303 traveler  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 5:58:43am

#299 song_and_dance_man

That's about the most hopeful thing I've heard all week.

304 Geepers  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:00:30am

Spin, spin, spin your facts:

Marines’ Falluja report is gloomy

WASHINGTON Senior U.S. Marine Corps intelligence officers in Iraq are warning that if U.S. troop levels in the Falluja area are significantly reduced during reconstruction there, as has been planned, insurgents in the region will rebound from their defeat.

Yikes!, right?

Well no, because if you read the article you find out:

"The assessment of the enemy is a worst-case assessment," Brigadier General John DeFreitas 3rd of the army, the senior military intelligence officer in Iraq, said of the report in a telephone interview. "We have no intention of creating a vacuum and walking away from Falluja."

The worst-case assessment is "gloomy"?

No shit.

The people who work at the NY Times are fucking brilliant aren't they.

305 BenZacharia  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:00:31am

#287 jlfintx
Number of stains on the Oval office rug 1993=0,2000=don't wan to go there.

306 Lightning_Man  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:01:16am

#287 jlfintx

Not that she and Bill (or Al Gore) had anything to do with it, but she appears to be right.

From MIT:

6/93 = 130 [Link: WWW...]
12/93 = 623
.
.
.
.
1/97 = 650,000

That's as far as it goes.

307 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:04:22am
308 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:05:28am

Why would it take the new DCI to tell CIA operative to:

...launch a much more aggressive espionage campaign that would use undercover officers to penetrate terrorist groups and hostile governments such as North Korea and Iran, according to a senior U.S. official with direct knowledge of Goss' plans.

?!

What the $@^@#$^ has the CIA been doing all these years? Oh wait, I forgot the Church Commission, the Toricelli Rules and other restrictions that limit how the CIA should play the game. Playing by gentleman's rules in a game with no rules is a surefire way to bring harm to my fellow Americans. Goss has the right idea to get rid of those asinine restrictions.

Of course, we're continuing to hear the whining from the Lefties who claim that Goss is gutting the CIA or making it more ideological in nature.

Simply put, the CIA is broken, and Goss is like the guys on This Old House trying to simply restore a 100 year old barn, except that as they progress in their restoration find the foundation is cracked and leaking (needs replacing), the trusses and walls are rotted (replacing/strengthening), and the roof sags and leaks (replacement). It's not just a restoration, but a gut rehab. It's costly, but absolutely necessary.

309 pookleblinky  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:05:39am

[Link: www.pandia.com...]

1998: 2,636,000
1999: 4,662,000
2000: 7,128,000

We should have guessed...

310 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:06:05am

298 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Can you imagine the collosal pile of bullshit that would develp if Fisk and Moore ever combined forces? Say nothing, imply everything and damn the outcome seems to sum up both their "reporting" styles.

311 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:08:52am
312 Thom  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:11:13am

Jihadi convert nabbed in Australia.

FORMER Melbourne taxi driver Jack "Jihad" Thomas faces up to 50 years' jail if convicted of links to al-Qaeda and helping the group prepare terrorist attacks.
...
He is the first Australian to be charged under new terror funding laws and the fifth to face charges under toughened anti-terror legislation introduced in 2002.
...
At the time, Mr Thomas's father Ian told the Herald Sun his son was not a radical.

"The sole intention of Jack's trip was to pursue Islamic studies . . . he never showed any radical tendencies," he said.

Isn't that what they all say?

313 Renna  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:12:19am

TPP

I'm hooked on this site and even keep it up at work.

I'm shocked and dismayed! Surely none of the rest of us would do that to our employers. And I have no explanation for the sudden dropoff in comments every weekday at 5 o'clock, eastern US time.

/guilty

314 BenZacharia  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:14:00am
When Netcraft started its survey there where only 20,000 websites. The total is now over 36 million

2002
linky

315 Renna  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:17:46am

Fisk: "I'm not saying Alawi killed Hassan, I'm just saying."

316 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:18:59am

#313 Renna

[gulp!]

317 leo (dissident view from Berlin)  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:18:59am

Would there be less verbosity in topic-bound threads if there was a permanent open LGF thread such as at Daily Kos?

318 Renna  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:20:43am

#314 Ben

So are you implying that the Netcraft surveys are responsible for the growth of the web? ;-)

319 pookleblinky  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:20:44am

#314 BenZacharia

As recently as two years ago it was under 10 million.
320 zenbone  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:24:52am

This is a good opportunity for me to thank you Charles.

It is so important to promote moral clarity in a world that is so confused and messed up.

As a token of thanks I got you something from your wish list, Facing You, an album that had a very big impact on me.

On the matter of Carolyn Parrish, I think this time she has gone way too far by attacking her own political team. I think she is dead political meat.

321 BenZacharia  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:33:45am

#319,19 Renna
Absolutely! GWB in office was a coinykdink

322 Eagle  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:43:52am

#320 zenbone

On the matter of Carolyn Parrish,

Canadian news is showing the clip of her stepping on the Bush doll. The look on her face is something else. She really looks like a lunatic, or a spoiled kid.

323 Jheka  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 6:44:25am

#304 Geepers:

Reminds me of a conversation that I often have with clients:

Client: "What's the worst case scenario?"

Me: "Worst case? You'll lose in court, won't get a cent, have to pay the other side's costs and pay me too."

Client: "But you said you think that I have a good case!! You said that you think it's a winner!!"

Me: "And I do think that. But you didn't ask me what I thought was likely to happen. You asked me about the worst case scenario. Losing is ALWAYS the worst case scenario. It's the same in every single case, no matter how good it looks at the start."

War is the same way. The worst case scenario is ALWAYS going to be gloomy. Of course, WCS also said that we were going to be slaughtered by the thousands in Afghanistan, that the Republican Guard would put up a terrible fight, that we would leave a trail of our dead trying to get into Baghdad, that the seige of Baghdad would make Stalingrad look like a walk in the park, etc.

324 conservati  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 7:32:02am

Charles, Because of you I have a place that I can enjoy the ideas and comments of people who think alot like me. It is a joy to come to this site, no more of an addiction actually. If I miss a day, I feel like I have missed the news, being a news junkie and all. Kudos to you!

325 bummer  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 10:51:14am

Doesn't get any more American than Red, White, Blue and Little Green Footballs.

326 RayA  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 2:20:33pm
Total open entries: 13,456


Charles, this just proves that yer an internet dork with no life!
:P

That aside, congrats on a great site... four of my family members get their info from here and they're damn proud!

327 Kynna  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 2:54:40pm

Am also new to posting at the site after a long time lurking. Best info on the Web.

Thanks!

328 piglet  Thu, Nov 18, 2004 3:14:03pm
By Robert Fisk

Who killed Margaret Hassan?

As shown in the book QB7 British Libal law is a real bitch, and the writer is reguired to prove innocent not the accused to prove damage. Perhaps this is the chance for the new Iraqi PM to get rich and Fisk to go broke, in English court.


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