007 must have been at work.
Where was Matt Helm when we needed him?

good on the Brits!!!

"There is no terrorist threat."

Wow.

Had they succeeded, Islam would have been mostly obliterated from these shores.

They didn't mention the ethnicity/religion of those who were planning the attack.

So for now, I'm just going to assume that they're Scottish terrorists, until we get more information.

Wake up Europe! You aren't nearly as safe from the Islambies as you think you are!

But no, on second thought, just keep sleeping...you'll be fine.

I'm just going to assume that they're Scottish terrorists

Actually, if you knew the Scottish fellow I know...

tony blair must be very upset they didn't succeed. cause we all know how happy bush was 9/11. at least that's what the moonbats say.

#5

I believe they did say it was an "Al Qaeda plot". Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they a Muslim group?

LMAO @ Scottish Terrorists!!! Do we need to start a new 'watch' list?

Anyone want to bet that if this attack had succeeded, somehow it would have been the US/GW's fault?

At least to the Mediots anyway...

way to go brits. well done.

(#9) Corpsman Mom

Whoops. I gotta do some brushing up on my reading comprehension skills.

Cheers.

#10 Holy Hand Grendade of Antioch

(Wow, your nic is quite a mouthful.) If the attack had succeeded, it, like 9/11, most likely would have likely been blamed on the Mossad or the neo-Cons or whatever other Jewish "elders" happened to be available.

Wonder what the Guardian will opine???

I guess these terrorists are still using the old playbook. Nothing new under the sun.

plot to fly planes into Canary Wharf here, and also into Heathrow Airport

Are those really the most high value targets in London? What about "Look kids, Big Ben;" or maybe #10 Downing Street - I mean with a 747 at your disposal, you wouldn't need to be that accurate to rid of #10; you could just kinda aim for Downing Street, generally.

Maybe that's why this plan failed: they couldn't even assess their targets correctly...

I think we should view this as a sign of Al Quaeda's reduced capabilities . . .

Thank the Lord! (and the security forces)

Does England get Fox News?

Good news - kudos to Tony Blair's government for averting a tragedy. Hope they killed the bastards involved in the plot.

#5 SoCalJustice

Scottish fundamentalists? What are their demands?

It's good that they prevented this, but I bet they used racial profiling! That only hurts people's feelings and makes them jsut as bad as the terrorists!!!/LLL
(keep up the good work, Britain)

A Swedish blogger says he finds this road sign prank "damn amusing" but "politically incorrect":

Dumping for the Jew

#19

Scottish devolution, obviously. It's all the rage in Edinborough these days.

Either that, or this is in reaction to Blair's banning the wearing of kilts in British schools

(#19) Mormon Doc

Scottish fundamentalists? What are their demands?

Free Haggis

# 17 M D

IIRC, Murdoch owns Sky News so it's close ...
:-)

Apparently the attackers were foiled by when a well dressed Hard Hitting Fox news reporter wrestled them to the ground.

PS-did you hear about their new hard hitting segment...

(I kidd, Fox rules, its just so...omnipresent lately)

I may be totally wrong. I hope I'm not. But I just don't think the 9/11 thing will work again. The only reason it worked the first time was that everyone had been told on hijackings to just sit back and let the terrorists have their way, and sooner or later you would be released.

I know that I now get an isle seat when I fly so I can respond quickly to something. Even as big a bunch of wimps as we have all become, I think it would end up like the Penn flight, even if it got that far.

Unless they have some new trick, which I can't think of, and frankly, I don't think they are that smart. Then I just don't see it.

#21 The Viking
Isn't it odd that a language would have a word...that with the dropping of ONE letter,it goes from "dumping" ...to "For Jews" ?

oops!!
I Meant from "forbidden" to "for Jews"/

#24 Buckaroo

Thanks.

#26

here, here. Passengers will no longer be little lambs in the face of fanatics armed only with pocket knives.

Jack Straw knew :-)

"I don't think, please God, that we are going to see in the next four years the most cataclysmic event for international relations that we have seen in 60 years which occurred on 11 September 2001."

Nov 17, 2004

#26

Of course, it's still better to thwart these things on the ground, before passengers have to risk flying the plane into potentially populated areas in a struggle for control of the cockpit.

#28 RebTex,

Sure is...

#26
aisle, no isle
loosing my mind, and I'm not even in a blue state!

Early OT

Have you checked out Protest Warrior in a while? There is a very moving chapter by the Holland branch of their org, kinda chilling

www.internationalcapitalism.com was a website on which we posted our articles, columns and PW-actions. Unfortunately we were being followed closely, because some left-wing organizations in the Netherlands spread personal information about our members, families and whereabouts over the internet. The situation became threatening. We are the only people in the Netherlands who ever held PW-like actions in NL and attacked the left on their own territory. It pissed them off so bad, that they decided to take it on our personal lives, in order to make us stop. To protect our personal lives and relatives, we decided to take the site off the air and stop with our project... For now.

Holland

"We have them trapped in UmQasar, we have them trapped all over. They are nowhere near Bahgdad London!

"No, really- they are candle shoes- the latest RAGE in Parieee"

#4 FunkMachineWow.

Had they succeeded, Islam would have been mostly obliterated from these shores.

Glad as I am that it was apparently foiled, had it been successful it would have been written off as due to British support for the US and having British troops in Iraq.

Somewhere a Muslim is preparing to make a statement complaining that the Brits' action violates freedom of expression.

In America, we fight for life, liberty, and property. In Britain, they fight for beer, haggis, and pork-n-beans.

This story can not possible be true until the BBC reports it!

What is wrong with all of you? Don't you understand brit thinking?

Now let's talk about how stupid the yanks can be for failing to elect as president a candidate meeting the approval of the EU.

JohnSteele

EXACTLY!!! It would have been Blair's fault for supporting Bush, who is the CREATOR of terrorism. I mean after all- no attacks tool place until Bush was in office! ( or was it Clinton, or Bush Sr., or was it Jimmy??? ) I get so confuses sooo easy!

So far, the BBC hasn't covered this story.

Google has it covered at least by The Age , Channel News Asia, Xinhua (the illiterate Chinese new service), Australian Financial Review, NEWS.com.au.

Of course, this isn't the sort of thing the BBC wants to make a big fuss over. After all, we don't want people thinking maybe there is a point to the War on Terror.

#26 rayw -- right on. The tactic of "Highjack the Airliner Full of Passengers and Crash It into an Important Target" stopped working by 10:00 a.m. on 9/11/01. Witness the hole in the ground in Pennsylvania ("Let's Roll!!") and the take-down of the ShoeBomber a few months later.

I don't always sit on the aisle but I do always look over the people sitting around me. Also check to see if there are any male flight attendants, and if so how big they are.

The bottom-seat-cushion (that they they always tell you in the pre-flight is to be used "for flotation in the unlikely event of a water landing") makes a great shield against knives or razor blades. Dig out the little strap in back and pull upwards.

A belt wrapped around your fist becomes a functional poor-man's brass knuckle (keep the buckle inside your fist, in order to keep the whole thing wrapped tightly around your hand.)

A ballpoint pen shoved into an eyesocket can make someone forget all about hijacking an airplane.

"Unarmed civilians" my ass. We're pissed off now.

You have to realize that these acts are perpetrated by a tiny minority of Muslims who are acting unIslamically and in no way represent the larger body of Muslims who repudiate terrorism and refuse to acknowledge any connection between these bad Muslims and the majority of good Muslims. Got it? There is no connection whatsoever.

/

#41 eeevil conservative

Take two moonbats and call me in the morning.

Election ploy. If Blair and his (whatever they're called) party get back in, it'll be because of fear. How dare they!!

#34 rayw

aisle, no isle

I was about to write that you'd be more effective IN the 'plane but you caught it.

Winston, is looking out for you, Brits...he was correct about the last evil totalitarian's, he is correct about this evil...

ok as a person of scottish heritage i must demand that the current bigotry towards scotts on this thread stop...

/adjusting kilt, sharpening broad sword, and moisturizing bag-pipe retention sac...

Scaramouche
"good moslims" ???!!!
THat's the newest oxymoron.
I know I'll get my a$$ crawled for that...but wouldn't all the "good" moslims be speaking out AGAINST the savagery???!!!
So far...I've heard nothing ...but ckickets

#48 dustyroadguy

Here, here. As a member of the House of Bruce I must agree!

My parents just returned from 10 days in London. They have nearly every 5 years or so for the past twenty years.

They said:

A) The trip was so expensive that they almost couldn't relax enough to enjoy themselves.. $60 to see Bridget Jones movie.. oy... transportation, food, everything nearly doubled since two years ago

B) "Old" Britain is dead.. My parents are anglophiles, and they are in a grief state.

C) London has no londoners... just "islamics", as my mother says. She was shocked.

D) They were practically cavity searched a gazillion times... security tons tighter in Heathrow than airport here.

E) She and my dad finally got a wake up call that it's just safer here for now.

# 46 gm

That would be the Labour party, somewhat the equivalent of the Dems over here ...

#20 Kilts! Kilts! and more Kilts! maybe some ale :)

Pardon.. should read "they have travelled there"... PIMMFF.

Kilts?

(Raises eyebrow...)

OT --Speaking of losing minds and blue states:

Have any of you noticed how crazy it is getting up there in the land of the intellectuals?

Fans go nuts at a Pistons game; Minn. hunter kills 5, wounds 3 in Wisconsin; and a cross being burned on Long Island.

I feel much safer down here with the slope headed, knuckle draggers!

whoa!! Fast Eddie... I want to fly with you from now on.

JohnSteele

Take two moonbats and call me in the morning.

TWO!!! But I will feel so OUTNUMBERED!!!

#43 Fast Eddie

Thanks for the tips. I even wear clothes that would work well in a fight when I fly. Feel kind of silly kicking ass in a flowerdy shirt, shorts and sandals.

#16 Tanker J.D.

I would consider Canary Wharf an extremely high value target for these terrorists. CW is the financial center of London (I call it the "Mini-Manhattan") As most of the historical places are in central and West London, most commercial and financial offices are based at CW.

I manage a financial services data center in this area and I can tell you that a hit here would be devastating, hence the incredible amount of security in this area.

It is interesting to note that the main flight path for City Airport has planes flying right over the top of the high-rises at CW. When I first started working there and saw a plane heading straight for 1 Canary Wharf tower... I freaked.

#51 Lazytart: I suspect we will see the "Islamics" get evicted from the UK and elsewhere. Not that it will be pleasant to watch while it happens...

The story seems to be downplayed. I don't feel any sense of *PHEW* that the headline suggests I should.

Is it just me or what?

#56 "slopeheaded knuckle draggers"

are you from missouri too?? you may be my cousin!!

58 eeevil conservative
JohnSteele

Take two moonbats and call me in the morning.
TWO!!! But I will feel so OUTNUMBERED!!!

Repeat after me 'no matter how many moonbats, I am never outnumbered'.

#37 John Steele

Your average British man-on-the-street (especially in the North) hates anyone who attacks this country even more than they hate the Southerners who would have been targeted.

#16

I had a similar reaction about Heathrow but I guess you could take out a lot of people there. Probably a lot more than than at Downing Street.

Canary Wharf, on the other hand, is a one of the tallest commercial high rises in Europe and would be an obvious target with the potential of very high civilian casualties.

I'm glad they weren't aiming for the Palace of Westminster.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!!

#52 Buckaroo

That would be the Labour party

Thanks. I momentarily had a brain... thing. (Got it from rayw.) British Labour is roughly equivalent to the New Democratic Party in Canada, otherwise known as the Commie courting, Pali pleasing, millionaire mashing, trans fat turfing, tax topping, party-party-party Party.

#63 missouri boy
you may be my cousin!!
Nope, I married my cousin.

#51 lazytart

Old" Britain is dead.. My parents are anglophiles, and they are in a grief state.

Friends of mine who went to London recently were shocked in the same way. Tables set up on the streets to push islam at those walking by... They are not going back to London, either.

Fast Eddie #43,

A belt wrapped around your fist becomes a functional poor-man's brass knuckle (keep the buckle inside your fist, in order to keep the whole thing wrapped tightly around your hand.)

The buckle should be inside your hand? So you'd be hitting them with the belt wrapped around the outside?

I would really like to see some activism against terrorists by American Muslims. Why are they not in the streets protesting the Saudi clerics who tell Iraqis to kill Americans? Why are they not in the streets protesting the Saudi clerics who told UBL he can nuke America?

Who's side are American Muslims on? They scream like crazy about their rights being violated but they never lift a finger against people who kill Americans. In fact, its all the FBI can do to keep them from taking up collections in mosques to send money to terrorists.

Good for the Brits! The west doesn't need another 9/11.

The sad fact is that they'll be some BBC film on claiming it is all faked in a few months.

# 72 Lu

As has been said many times before -- "Until the Muslims who are not jihadis speak the hell up, they're part of the frickin' problem!!!"

as for all things scottish. my little brother played the bagpipes in his high school band and i find the most annoying thing to hear when hungover was him practising

Luigi, there is no such thing as "American" Muslims, only Muslims that happen to live in America. And Muslims are on Islam's side. Always.

Ann, YES!!

Folks, I can't tell you how much my parents love that place. They are literally shocked and grieving... at the death of the place they knew.

I'm SO glad I didn't go.

How utterly, utterly sad.

OT...Toronto's Pearson Airport on High Security Alert.

Link

#72 Luigi

They scream like crazy about their rights being violated but they never lift a finger against people who kill Americans. In fact, its all the FBI can do to keep them from taking up collections in mosques to send money to terrorists.

With the Caliphate, not the RoF.

(*DP111 coined that, not me. RoF = Religion of Freedom, with the most radical, fundamentalist countries being the USA and Britian...!)

Talking about airport security. Drudge linked a story about "pat downs". Guess who got one in Little Rock?

I guess since the President trusts me TSA can't?

#73:

The west doesn't need another 9/11.

Sorry for being cynical, but we probably do. Western civilization, not just the US, is entangled in a world war, and most people won't realize this until we get hit several times with more 9/11 attacks. Or worse.

# 81 reag

Sooo, flashing the EOD card doesn't help?
:-(

reaganite #81,

I guess since the President trusts me TSA can't?

The other day I saw a grandma being searched in Chicago. Her whole family was watching her as they did the whole metal wand thing. Not quite the typical terrorist, IMO.

In America, we fight for life, liberty, and property. In Britain, they fight for beer, haggis, and pork-n-beans.

Pork-n-beans? Huh?

There are British soldiers in Iraq right now who are doing a fine job despite all the crap flung at them by the Beeb and al-Guardian.

As long as the UK can produce troups like that, Old Britain's not totally dead yet.

Hearing about the changes (like the ones Lazytart's parents saw during their trip) is so depressing. I remember the England of endearingly dingy pubs, bad food, and safe streets. I remember Londoners who were proudly Un-PC enough to wear T-shirts that showed John Bull giving the finger and saying "F**k You, Argentina!" during the Falklands War. That's the sort of T-shirt that would give most Beeb listeners cardiac arrest these days.

Sad and alarming how much one country can change in 20 years.

OT Rayra Redux

Woman Severs Baby's Arms

Scary.

Article over at Drudge has some good details of proposed prevention measures:

Jury-less trials for terrorists

Wiretapping evidence admissible

Preventing terror suspects from using Internet and certain banking networks

Sounds like Labour's getting more serious.

#71 Ariel

The buckle inside your fist makes the fist more solid, thus a more damaging punch. The leather on the outside cuts the advisary. One drawback; I have known people who have broken their fingers by putting a cigarette lighter or something like that in their fist. I think the leather would help absorb the shock against the metal buckle.

#56
Being a Pistons fan I can assure you that we're not all brawlers. It's merely a tiny minority who have hijacked Pistondom, etc.
On another note, here is an interesting article on the perceived risks vs the reality of dying in a terrorist attack.
It's worth reading.

From debka..

DEBKAfile’s US and Palestinian exclusive sources reveal: Powell left Jericho furious with Abbas for backing away from joint statement and photo op to mark his first visit in two years to Palestinian official. Abbas feared joint appearance would ruin his election prospects.

From Obi Won Kenobi..

Who is the greater fool? The fool, or the fool who follows him?

NK. To a certain degree, I agree with you. But the loss of human life would be staggering. ALso, something like that succeeding would "hearten" the damned terrorists. And our "media" would be quick to not show pictures of the arab street celebrating. Overall, I with this kind of info would get out and be HEAVILY publicized. It wouldn't convert as many as a successful attack, but it might convert enough.

#83 Buckaroo

Sooo, flashing the EOD card doesn't help?

It's supposed to exempt us from all searches. TSA doesn't seem to understand their own rules.

#84 Ariel

The other day I saw a grandma being searched in Chicago.

Active duty military, grand mothers, Medal of Honor recipients, don't want to let them slip through!

Thank G-d our security services are doing our job...the company I work for has it's main office in Canary Wharf...there's a lot of people I know in there. A collective sigh of relief if it's true (always sceptical until I see proof of a plot...ITV are a sensationalist version of the BBC...believe it or not...and also John Pilgers channel of choice).

As for this being a "British" thread...any knucklescrapers in yet? I'll ask RC Neo-Jew in the morning or sometime tomorrow...time for bed.

#85

Yes. Those soldiers know why they are fighting. The majority back home, however, does not believe that protecting rights is a good enough reason to fight.

No doubt even if it happened the BBC would not have reported on it because as we all know there is no such thing as terrorism, the government just thought it up to keep us simple folk scared.

And I agree I don't think they will get away with another attack like 9/11. They might try but I don't see it happening. knock on wood.

Next time I fly I am going to take some of those fans from Detroit with me. They would scare anybody.

I forgot, scroll down to the title of the article: A Perceived Sense of Insecurity.
Sorry

# 90 Lu

"Abbas feared joint appearance would ruin his election prospects."

All U Need to Know about Pali politics in one sentence ...
:-(

in a September 11-style attack,

By "9/11" style do they mean George W. Bush and the Jews palnned it?

disingenuously yours, Micheal Moore

56 Rayw
I have a rock solid alibi re/ the Pistons Riot. I was sitting on the couch with the kids watching the Wizard of Oz. And the wife thought Flying Monkeys were too scary for the little one!!

72 Luigi
I'm waiting for the same thing. Yeah, they danced in the street in Dearborn on 4/09/03 when Saddam's statue fell, but since then its been all CAIR party-line BS. I think their silence speaks volumes.

TSA is getting really, REALLY stupid! I'm going to write my congresspeople - again - to complain about this really stupid approach to air security.

OT: info from a marine in Fallujah:

...my little brother is an enlisted Marine (a sniper with 1-3) in Fallujah. This weekend he called for the first time since the battle began. He informed us that a large number of the residents of Fallujah, before fleeing the battle, left blankets and bedding for the Marines and Soldiers along with notes thanking the Americans for liberating their city from the terrorists, as well as invitations to the Marines and Soldiers to sleep in their houses. I've yet to see a report in the media of this. Imagine that.

Via the Corner. Nice to know that the regular (non-insane-terrorist) people get it and appreciate what the US military is doing.

Haven't even read all the posts, but I'm invoking the 72 hour rule.

Mcgyver, out

Miss Donna:

Don't worry "old" Britain is still there for people who look for it...it's not in the tourist traps. As for the expensive bit...London has and always will be pricey (Britain as whole has)...$60 for Bridget Jones? That's $29.99 too expensive IMHO!...and if you want the bulldog t-shirt wearing, Union Jack waving types try the Essex.

Ariel and Fast Eddie: I've only witnessed 2 bar fights in my life. In one of them, in Jacksonville, FL, one of the guys wrapped the non-buckled end around his fist, leaving the buckle hanging down. When he lashed the other guy across the face with it, he took out a chunk of his opponent's cheek. (That's about all I saw before I dived under the table. They were a bit too close for my comfort.)

(The other fight was in Philly, and involved pool cues. Both guys were way too drunk to do anything but break some glasses.)

What a 'nuisance' an attack on London would have been!

What odds that some of the 'peaceful' mosques in the UK are connected?

Norwegian Kaffir - I respectfully disagree. The day that the UK and other European countries finally get the guts to evict their IslamoFascists, and treat them as the enemy of civilization they truly are, will be the most pleasant day I could possibly imagine.

#89 sonofsheldon

Thanks for the link. I tend to agree, but still look over my shoulder.

Glad to hear that there are sane Piston fans, but I still think you probably need to move to Texas, as several posters have been suggesting to blue staters recently.

Thats what happens when you serve imitation Haggis, The real Haggis never fails to blow everyone up.

#77 Norwegian kafir You nailed it! The "heart" of a splodeydope-in-waiting beats in every [bigoted word]. This should be chipped in fing granite at the base of every flagpole in America.

A belt wrapped around your fist becomes a functional poor-man's brass knuckle (keep the buckle inside your fist, in order to keep the whole thing wrapped tightly around your hand.)

LOL!

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Update: Many more news services are carrying the story of the blocked attacks, including The Scotsman, but still not the BBC so far as I can see.

Maybe they're hoping it will blow over. Maybe they're trying to find a way to tie it into Asian gang violence.

#64 JohnSteele . . .

Repeat after me 'no matter how many moonbats, I am never outnumbered'.

This is a great mantra. I'm going to memorize it and use it when necessary . . . like on Thanksgiving Day. ;)

#104

My last English professor lived in England for a couple years. He used to tell the class about his life there, almost every story beginning with something like, "A guy was coming at me with a broken bottle, while his friend was throwing mugs at my head..."

Canary Wharf is roughly 800 feet tall and is one of the tallest buildings in all of Europe. Combine that with the thousands of people working inside this British financial hub (as someone above said, the "mini-Manhattan") the attack would be devastating on both a personal, financial, and strategic level.

Will Britain "wake up" to this? Unfortunately, I expect that most people will see this as a "it didn't happen, so it didn't happen" event and shrug, say a quick thank you for the nameless security agents who thwarted it, then move to slash their security budget in the name of increasing social entitlements.

At least, that's what would happen here in America... :(

Brits on this board please edumucate this poor redneck, but from what I've seen and heard, the average Brit thinks America is an imperialist warmonger and may well feel that this attack was an attempt to retaliate for Blair's support of the War on Terror, and as a result may react the way Spain reacted.

I'm speaking out of my rear here, so please correct me if I'm wrong. I'd love to be.

SoCal Justice

I think you missed the Al Qaeda connection b/c you were obviously expecting the more traditional link between terrorism and the dread Presbyterians. Praise Calvin!

And it's not free haggis they're fighting for. It's freedom from haggis.

# 11 Lu

"Asian gang violence"

LOL!

CHARLES! -- another candidate phrase for a rotating title!
:-)

OT

When I heard the news today, I thought that Kerry had gone Duck hunting again and went postal...alas...it wasnt him

#99 mich-again
Glad to hear that there are sane Piston fans, but I still think you probably need to move to Texas, as several posters have been suggesting to blue staters recently.

Flying monkies not as scary in Texas.

#105:

Norwegian Kaffir - I respectfully disagree. The day that the UK and other European countries finally get the guts to evict their IslamoFascists, and treat them as the enemy of civilization they truly are, will be the most pleasant day I could possibly imagine.

I will be more happy than most people to kick Islam out of Europe. But let's face it: There are close to 20 million Muslims here now. They won't all pack up and leave quietly.

The sad part about this is that I know there are many ex-Muslims and good people among them. I don't hate everybody who happens to have a Muslim name. I don't know how to solve that issue.

Dave Ray: Yes, London, like NYC, has always been "dear" (i.e. jaw droppingly expensive).

Glad to hear Old Britain lives on. I was irritated to hear about how they went and cleaned up all the old pubs and made them into yuppie sounding "Firkin" places with fancy food and the like. However, on the plus side, the fact that the restaurant scene is much more varied and of better quality can only be a plus. I had some not too appetizing meals in London back in the early '80's - I remember pasta that was basically tomato paste with noodles! LOL!!! Well, I was more interested drinking in those days anyway, and you can't go wrong with the beer,...,

"Brits on this board please edumucate this poor redneck, but from what I've seen and heard, the average Brit thinks America is an imperialist warmonger and may well feel that this attack was an attempt to retaliate for Blair's support of the War on Terror, and as a result may react the way Spain reacted."

The average Brit couldn't care less...the minority of people who write and read papers like the Guardian, The Mirror et al see Americans as that...

PS as way of irony the headquarters of the left-leaning anti-war rag The Mirror? Yep, Canary Wharf. The Islamist would've destroyed the headquarters of their biggest cheerleaders.

eeevilll

I'll back you up.

check out post 152 on the Fallujah: City of Horrors story

Yum Yum now that was good!!!

#71 Ariel - right, inside the fist. Know that sounds sorta counterintuitive, but the problem is that the buckle is on the tip end of the belt (unless your belt is made different from mine). A buckle flopping around outside your hand isn't very effective for hitting somebody really hard, whereas a leather-wrapped fist will suffer much less damage than Abdul's face.

Donna...

When eating in central London...don't...wait until you get further north...like Golders Green, Hendon etc etc...good Jewish food up there...

Were these terrorists that GWB and Tony Blair "created" by invading the previously peaceful and law-abiding nation of Iraq! Or were they created by our continued support of the outlaw state of Israel that keeps attacking the heretofor benign Palestinian people? No doubt Allah is REALLY pissed that they were thwarted -- because it was his will that the infidels be destroyed for their relentless attacks on the pacifist practitioners of the noble teachings of Islam!! Way to go, Brits! Whatever were you thinking???!

//sarcasm off//

KICK ASS SCOTLAND YARD!!!

Phillip okeedokee! BRB

Yipes.

I'm heading for Heathrow next Tuesday. Have to admit this kind of nonsense was in the back of my mind. One again, thanks to Tony and the lads at MI5.

"That, at least, is what I am told by a senior authoritative source who says that the security services managed to avert a plot to fly planes into Canary Wharf here, and also into Heathrow Airport"

Should someone tell him that planes fly into Heathrow every day? ;)

OT... Guardian UK "No one is taken in by USA lies"

Typical article lambasting everything American, especially the Marines. (last two paragraphs)

All Iraqis watch as their homes and mosques are desecrated by soldiers who shoot injured men in the stomach in pre-emptive lunacy that mirrors that of their leader. They and a billion Muslims watched as Americans forbade families from burying their dead, and allowed stray dogs to gnaw the corpses of pregnant women and toddlers on the mean streets of what was once Falluja, during Id al-Fitr, Islam's Holy Feast. No one is taken in by the lies and arrogance and greed of this racist war.

Iraq is an occupied country, with a proud and stubborn people, who will never cease fighting till they are finally rid of their unspeakable latter-day oppressors.

· Rana Kabbani is a writer and broadcaster

Wait. This just in the BBC's UK page:

"Crime tops Queen's Speech agenda."

Have they covered the story of the blocked attacks yet? Fuggedaboutit.

Hey Charles,

My wife has informed me that Univision just said that Saddam Hussein is sueing (sp?) Bush for war crimes.

Fast eddie, et al

roll of quarters, nickels pennies or dimes, depnding on the size of your hand

just sayin'

Mcgyver, out

Come on guys! Your tactical thinking is all wrong. Have you considered what would happen if terrorists grabbed an Air France flight?

:-)

Guardian article...

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1357345 ,00.html

Has this comic about Islam been featured here before? I can't remember for sure. Anyway, Mohammed's Believe It or Else! is available for free online, and is quite funny.

#106
rayw
It's always good to be aware and be careful.
As for moving to Texas, I'm too pigheaded. I'm working on turning Michigan red.

#114 Rock

Don't worry - you Americans have got a great deal of support for President Bush and America from many of us Brits. We are a silent majority, you just don't hear a lot from us because we have better things to be doing than throwing ketchup on our faces and waving yellow signs around angrily; and the ones who do that have just been brainwashed by the vast amount of crap that comes out of our media, and believe me, most people here do realise that it is crap.

#89 sonofsheldon

How does the risk terrorism measure up against everyday dangers?

I don't know how committed you are to this argument. I hate it. Michael Moore makes it and I notice they quote him.

There is ample evidence that the current form of terrorism we face is hell bent on causing as much damage as possible. This may include nuclear weapons. Any statistics based on past events would be meaningless if these were deployed. The use of suicide missions in itself takes the whole phenomenon way beyond the realm of “nuisance.”

All my thinking about this issue always brings me back to 911. One either gets it or one does not. The NOTs want to contain, arrest, criminally investigate, use statistics to minimize the problem in their minds. Maybe even blame our society for causing this.

On the other side, people recognize a war and see the need to create fundamental changes in the world, whatever the cost.

Hey Phillip

Did you know that the law in Kennesaw that states all homeowners MUST own a firearm is not an OLD one?

Mayor Church and those councilmen are a bunch of good 'ole boys! They passed that law- I think in 2001!!! They do that stuff all the time in Kennesaw. They wiat for ACLU to do bring some NUT job case, and then turn around and pass something- just to make a public statement! I love it! They crack me up!

Lets All Raise a Mug to the lads and lasses in Scotland Yard! Jolly good show lads...giv'em a good rogering. Its nice to see another al-qaeda plot rolled up with the participants enjoying a long stay in the Maze (maybe those more polite Irish terrorists in there will give 'em a good pounding in the backside)

Phillip

Aaron added a pic! he's sooo coool!

#132 mcgyver - righto, coin rolls work. Don't protect the outside of the fist however, and besides I hardly ever travel with them.

'Course if you can slug Abdul squarely in his, ahem, private parts, then your fist don't need a whole lotta "protection."

Good job by the British. Hope that in busting up the plot they also scored some intelligence coups that might help get to others. If a few jihadis were waxed in the process, so much the better.

Unfortunately, there are enough others out there funded by the Saudis and still hard at work planning the next mega attack. Meanwhile here in the States, the blue half has ADD -- having totally forgotten 9/11 and the attacks that preceded it. Jihadis are out there planning big ones for the USA.

We have to keep taking them on, here and around the globe. Eventually we will get around to Saudi Arabia and the evil Saudi Royalty that is financing the Jihad.

139 evil conservative

Interesting...news to me...

I was talk'n about the pan fried!

Yum Yum

"You mean it's not those damn jews and their secret remote controls?"

/Jew haters

#132 mcgyver, et al A concealable blade is extremely effective. I grew up in the Dearborn, MI area, enough said. Pull a handgun and you'll get blown to bits; pull a knife and they'll run. If you can catch them, sever either tendon behind a knee. Game over. See Soldier of Fortune magazine for a great selection of discreet weaponry.

The plot to bomb Heathrow was discovered. Planes were cancelled from London and Paris to New York a few times. Explosives were found near Hendon (probably to be used on London Underground). The security services are busy in the UK; as they are world wide.

If the enemy could be named "officially" worldwide, more successes would be achieved. Many thanks to these services whose untiring work is keeping us safe. It is all done in the background, no fan fair.

#19 - Mormon Doc

Demands? To fill up Campbelltown Loch with whiskey of course.

42 Luigi:

You're right, nothing whatsoever on the Beeb. That's no coincidence - it just doesn't fit the Beeb agenda.

#146 lah-dee-dah-dah. Your point is valid, however we're talking about being on an airliner, and using whatever makeshift weapons are at hand in that situation.

I don't advise trying to carry a concealed blade thru today's airport security.

#138
Greenmamba
I don't think he's agreeing with M. Moore who, if I'm not mistaken claims there is no terrorist threat. He admits the threat but points out that there's more damage done by having society get hysterical over the threat than from the threat itself. And yes they are trying to get their hands on every kind of nasty weapon known to mankind. Some of them are extremely difficult to use effectively though. We should be aware of the terrorist threat and do every nasty thing we need to do to shut the bastards down, but we shouldn't cower in fear over the next attack.

Free Haggis?

Is this like Free Mumia?

#146 lah-dee-dah-dah - We're talking about self protection and the TSA being stupid. Thats all

Mcgyver, out

But wait! Here's the kicker! It's Islam Awareness Week in the U.K.

...and more

During the forthcoming week, Muslims all over Britain will be inviting their non-Muslim friends and neighbours to participate in various activities ranging from seminars and talks to exhibitions and mosque open days.

I'm guessing that "hijacking an airplane" was just one of the "various activities" the [bigoted word]s wanted to use to acquaint their non-Muslim friends with Islam.

QueenEsther, looks like the UK is well on its way to dhimmitude. I wish them the best of luck with that.

Yah, gotta agree with macgyver, et al. WTF, buckle inside the hand?!
If you *really* gotta play with belts and buckles, have a good thick brass buckle and sharpen the edge, wearing it on a wide leather belt, like a marine gunny's. Get good at swinging that like you got a set of steel ones.

I was in the UK in the fall of '02. The Brits arrested a bunch of "militants" who were plotting to poison gas the tube (Subway) in London.

I never heard anything about that "plot" again.

I did not set foot on the tube after I heard about that.

I narrowly missed being blown up by the IRA, walking across Hammersmith bridge about 30 years ago. The fuckers put a bomb in a garbage can at a bus stop. I walked by the bus stop about 5 minutes before it blew up. I heard it and saw it.

Scared the shit out of me.

TED RALL on Hannity right now...

#101

Late reply, but what the heck, I was cooking dinner.

Excellent post and similar to the story my son told me. Unfortunately, many of those thoughtful Fallujah-ites were robbed blind by the 'insurgents' who claim to be protecting their way of life.

"May the wrath of Allah make your stolen blankets smell of camel dung and cause you to suffer the bite of a million sand fleas"

#131

My wife has informed me that Univision just said that Saddam Hussein is sueing (sp?) Bush for war crimes.

Will that be before, or after the Iraqis hang him?

Arrived in email from friend:

OT but cute:

CANADA BUSY SENDING BACK BUSH-DODGERS
by Joe Blundo The Columbus Dispatch 11/16/04


The flood of American liberals sneaking across the
border into Canada has
intensified in the past week, sparking calls for
increased patrols to stop
the illegal immigration.

The re-election of President Bush is prompting the
exodus among
left-leaning citizens who fear they'll soon be
required to hunt, pray and
agree with Bill O'Reilly.

Canadian border farmers say it's not uncommon to see
dozens of sociology
professors, animal-rights activists and Unitarians
crossing their fields
at night.

"I went out to milk the cows the other day, and
there was a Hollywood
producer huddled in the barn," said Manitoba farmer
Red Greenfield, whose
acreage borders North Dakota.

The producer was cold, exhausted and hungry.

"He asked me if I could spare a latte and some
free-range chicken. When I
said I didn't have any, he left. Didn't even get a
chance to show him my
screenplay, eh?"

In an effort to stop the illegal aliens, Greenfield
erected higher fences,
but the liberals scaled them. So he tried installing
speakers that blare
Rush Limbaugh across the fields.

"Not real effective," he said. "The liberals still
got through, and Rush
annoyed the cows so much they wouldn't give milk."

Officials are particularly concerned about smugglers
who meet liberals
near the Canadian border, pack them into Volvo
station wagons, drive them
across the border and leave them to fend for
themselves.

"A lot of these people are not prepared for rugged
conditions," an Ontario
border patrolman said. "I found one carload without
a drop of drinking
water. They did have a nice little Napa Valley
cabernet, though."

When liberals are caught, they're sent back across
the border, often
wailing loudly that they fear retribution from
conservatives. Rumors have
been circulating about the Bush administration
establishing re-education
camps in which liberals will be forced to drink
domestic beer and watch
NASCAR.

In the days since the election, liberals have turned
to
sometimes-ingenious ways of crossing the border.
Some have taken to posing
as senior citizens on bus trips to buy cheap
Canadian prescription drugs.
After catching a half-dozen young vegans disguised
in powdered wigs,
Canadian immigration authorities began stopping
buses and quizzing the
supposed senior-citizen passengers.

"If they can't identify the accordion player on The
Lawrence Welk Show, we
get suspicious about their age," an official said.

Canadian citizens have complained that the illegal
immigrants are creating
an organic-broccoli shortage and renting all the
good Susan Sarandon
movies.

"I feel sorry for American liberals, but the
Canadian economy just can't
support them," an Ottawa resident said. "How many
art-history majors does
one country need?"

In an effort to ease tensions between the United
States and Canada, Vice
President Dick Cheney met with the Canadian
ambassador and pledged that
the administration would take steps to reassure
liberals, a source close
to Cheney said.

"We're going to have some Peter, Paul & Mary
concerts. And we might put
some endangered species on postage stamps. The
president is determined to
reach out."

OT Ted Rall on Fox now.

#158 lazytart

TED RALL on Hannity right now...

What a complete f'n idiot he is!

{throwing socks, um any other soft stuff at tv}

#155 zulubaby

dress British, think dhimmish

Shoot. I need a TV in here so I can throw stuff too! I'm getting really tired from running back and forth to watch TV and collect ammo.

#101 Bad Penny

That's a wonderful story about the blankets some Iraqis left. Thanks so much for posting it - I'm busily emailing it to people I know (read: VRWC friends) who need to hear things like this.

As for the news of the foiled attack, I am also busily emailing that to people (read: moonbat friends) who need to hear things like THAT.

Maine's Michael

ROTFL !

Less Windy Days, generally. The Moderates just wish they'd wear something under their kilts.

ROFL!
Sometimes, it pays to read from the bottom up.

127...is this the REAL iowahawk?...and if it is pleasure meeting you, even ever so briefly...

...and have no fear for the Brits...those folks are made of tough stuff, when pushed hard enough...they will push back.

Another way to think of it is...when British soccer fans can destroy buildings over a game, think what they can and will do to evil islamist's, when the Brits are pissed.

They took adolph's best punch and came out swinging..yes we, the U.S. helped, but we weren't getting bombed and rocketed then, the Brits were...they will wake up...and when they do..Tony and George will kick ass and take names, what they won't take is prisoners...

170 J.D.

Sometimes, it pays to read from the bottom up.

Umm, that didn't sound exactly the way you meant it...I don't believe...:).

#150 Fast Eddie & #153 Mcgyver I understood exactly what you were talking about. Again, I refer you to Soldier of Fortune Magazine for a great selection of 'discreet' weaponry, suitable for protecting yourself and your fellow passengers, and those on the ground. I mentioned a blade--not a machete. I can't be more specific. The belt idea is excellent; but I'd rather have a belt AND a blade. Again, an opportunity to learn from those who do this for a living. Good evening, friends.

#150 Fast Eddie & #153 mcgyver, P.S. Remember, technology is your friend. If you want high tech concealable items you must go to where they're available.

"sounds like a Blair conspiracy to seize some more Oil and petrol stations"err torture chambers, eh wot, i mean (i need to learn the strikethrough)

I cant believe the friggin Moonbats with aluminum foil hats have pervaded the MSMindset ! W O R L D W I D E

Brittainia what a sad old historic target for the dirty disciples of death (cult). They come as clean hopeful young students hopping on a plane, heading to their family with a quick nod to Mecca - but that's no present for the family under their arm.

DONT TOSS A CUP OF BEER ON THIS MOFO

From the Islamofacist POV (spit) they want Death by Cop cuz their welfares getting cut off, and they're outta Heroin from Afghan and dirty Dinarhs from Saddam (sics)

see there's a new sheriff in town and his name's -
gonna be on Mt Rushmore

this is the drinking thread?

I mean I'd hire one as my assistant, typing and such

go on and die you smelly brown, monobrow camel humpin' douche bag.

wait till Chrissy Matthews is broadcast into your sand flea suburb. That'd make me cut my OWN head off. Adult abortion, look into it.

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you aint gonna be one of 'em

on the back of Mt Rushmore there'll be a mysterious bulge on GW's yellowed (mustard) farm jacket. errr ranch coat, heheh Genghis...Jenn Jisss sss is not gonna work here anymore...

Con...Khan

I want Kirk at the helm...

and he is, God bless him

narco-terrorist

has a nice ring

Start RACIAL PROFILING NOW!! When will our government officials start what is so obviously needs to be done?

kneel before Zod, Iraniac

Instead of thwarting the attack, why not just divert the planes to France?

let the terrorists be identified

and then their day be cast

for he who wishes to harm

ME ………..

will never be given any chance to try

yes ...

this is the drinking thread

This war is FAR from over, and one of these days the islamics will succede in a major attack, and everything will move to a more intense level, and too bad for the islamics.

#157

I hear ya. The IRA fucks almost killed me too.

Bombed a moving bus in the Aldwich after coming down King Street blowing out windows on both sides of the street (where I walked to school every day) and rattling windows at the LSE. Couldn't get into my building on High Holborn for hours. Bomb went off early killing the dumb fucks at least.

I want to kill people who target civilians, I really do.

The assholes also set off a bomb in Butler's Wharf where some of my friends lived.

Fucking evil IRA bastards threw a bomb into my club, the Carlton Club (Tory capital of the UK) in St. James's killing the porter at the front desk.

Fuck the animals from the IRA! Fuck em.

#189 Yeah, I remember the bus bomb. Very nasty, but remember the 1993 Warrington Gasometer attack? Looked like a nuke had gone off.

(notes: Gasometer is a very large structure used to hold gas for fuel ~ generally about 40m diameter and 60m high, fine pieces of Victorian engineering, can be found in most UK cities, IRA had a penchant for blowing them up in the early 90's, rather spectacular as can be imagined.)

Garnier:

There's something we can agree completely on then...the Marxist IRA deserve nothing but the treatment they meated out on their "military" targets...

#191 The UK security services fought the IRA using Big Boy's Rules.

Question: Are they using the same techniques against Islamic terrorists?
Answer: Probably, they had better hope the police get them first.

The fuckers put a bomb in a garbage can at a bus stop. I walked by the bus stop about 5 minutes before it blew up. I heard it and saw it.

The same thing happened to me in South Africa. That was the ANC at work. Funny that, eh?

#70 Ann:

Friends of mine who went to London recently were shocked in the same way. Tables set up on the streets to push islam at those walking by... They are not going back to London, either.

Wow, when did all this start? I was in London about 1-1/2 years ago and I never saw anything like this. In fact, the only even slightly unpleasant experience we had was seeing a few LLLs hanging nonsense banners on a park fence near Parliment. Has this obvious Islamist stuff started recently, or did I just not notice it?

Also, in regard to the Labor (Labour, sorry) party, aren't they a bit more sensible then the U.S. Democrats? They had a pretty bad near-death experience during the Thatcher years, and I was under the impression that they had cleaned up their act after that.

Let me add to Fast Eddie's suggestions.

Uses for a laptop:

* Shield
* Throwing weapon (probably takes a bit of skill)
* Club (hit someone in the head with it edgewise)
* Recording device

Was this attack timed to coincide with Islam Awarness Week?

One way to make everyone aware.

Re: PROFILING It's just common sense; history repeats itself: 1) Who murdered Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympic Games? Ans.: Muslim extremist middle-eastern men ages 19-40. 2) Who pirated & hijacked the Achille Lauro and pushed overboard Leon Klinghoffer, an elderly American citizen in a wheelchair? Ans.: Muslim extremist Middle-eastern men ages 19-40. 3) Who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993? Ans.: Muslim extremist Middle-eastern men ages 19-40. 4) Who bombed the Cole in a blatant act of war? Ans.: Muslim extremist Middle-eastern men ages 19-40. 5) Who hijacked American passenger airliners on 9/11/2001, and intentionally flew them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon? Ans.: Muslim extremist Middle-eastern men ages 19-40. 6) Who are the illegal combatants incarcerated at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba? Ans.: MOSTLY Muslim extremist Middle-eastern men ages 19-40. 7) Who are the U.S. Marines, U.S. Army, U.S. National Guardsmen, U.S. Air Force, and additional U.S. Military and Intelligence Forces at WAR with in Iraq? Ans.: Mostly Muslim extremist Middle-eastern men ages 19-40. 8) Who are the splodeydopes who routinely kill themselves, and innocent Israeli men, women, and children, as well as Israeli Soldiers and Police? Also, who are the splodeydopes who routinely kill themselves and other Iraqi's, and also kill U.S. Military Soldiers and Civilian workers in Iraq? Ans.: Mostly Muslim extremist Middle-eastern men and women, and teen-aged boys and girls, ages 15-40. Any more doubters out there looking to play the race card in the War On Terror??? Oh yeah, what about Timothy McVeigh, John Walker-Linde, and Richard Reid? Well, exxxcuuussseee me!!! There is no exclusive copyright on evil; but Muslim extremist Middle-eastern men ages 19-40, pretty well have the market cornered.

British MP Galloway: US and British Governments Will Burn in "Hell-Fires"; Falluja is Guernica, Stalingrad
[Link: www.memritv.org...]

Weapons -- most of the time I can get in with a crochet hook (admittedly inserted in a big ball of cotton thread with completed work hanging off.) Since I like to do "fine-work" lace crochet the hook has a lethally sharp point. I believe, having read about it, that the best strategy is to grab those flotation seat cushions, held by the straps as a shield and use the hook as a striking weapon, preferraly to eyes. (Disadvantage of hook is that if I strike at harder areas like wrist, etc, I risk being disarmed, because it will "catch" and not allow me to withdraw in a timely manner.) Or the neck, of course -- throat area. Pretty dang hard to think with a crochet hook in your throat. If using bludgeoning weapons, take off your sock and stuff heavy things in it. Soft drink cans, if you don't fly with anything heavy. This allows you to hit the man, keep your weapon AND not expose your arm too much or too long. Of course, last resort, yes, laptop. But this too will work better if you can tie it inside your jacket and use it to beat splodeydope over head repeatedly.

Honestly, in any sane society faced with this kind of thing, they would be offering "self defense in an airplane" courses at local community centers and the waiting list would be huge.

P.

#114 Rock

Yep, you are wrong. Just as us Brits were given the impression by the media that you Americans were going to vote Kerry in droves, You Americans are given the wrong impression that we want to ditch Blair and that we're all anti-war/anti-America. I have yet to meet anyone personally who intends not to vote Blair or who is anti-war. A terrorist attack would merely make us more determined to vote Blair in order to stick two fingers up at AlQuaida. We watched the spanish response with as much astonishment as you did.

I think the Guardian and their ilk are rushing off to their patch of sand to stick their heads in. I doubt the Indy or the Guardian are going to report this almost attack in any complete way. The Beeb have ignored it naturally because it would force them to admit there might be a threat to the UK from Islamists.

#201 Well I fully support the war against militant Islam, and am glad that Blair is on board. But I wont be voting for him. I dont trust his party, simple as that and I dont see him surviving a full parliamentary term. Also, I will not vote for any party that supports the introduction of ID cards.