Miserable French hypocrites.

I demand a stern condemnation from the UN.

/sarc

TotallySirius: sound of crickets.

Where is the ritual denunciations and protests from the peace loving European community?

Will the folks in Ottawa be protesting this tomorrow?

Didn't think so.

Miggie, couldn't have said it better myself. Where's that slime, Kofi? Has he condemned this yet? Where's the international outrage?

I think that this goes beyond soldiers feeling threatened and responding to a crowd as trained (as at Kent State 1968 or lower Broadway 1863, or the Boston Common 1775). This feels a lot more like a group asserting its superiority --almost like Einsatzgruppen.

Sorry, to comment off topic, but I have to go to bed soon, and before I did, I wanted y'all (especially Charles) to see the funniest darned thing I've ever done on my blog. It's "Murrow's Ghost," and it's a belly laugh.

Okay, go back to the topic now. Sorry again.

End the occupation of Le Cote D'Ivoire!

The racist, genocidal, Franco-nazis have no respect for international law, and are oppressing the brown, native and indigenous population!

U.N. sanctions! Pariah status for the French!

/ok, I'm done.

Looks like the Fwench have a pattern of such behavior.

One thing to keep in mind here, and you all may not like to hear this, but the media has a funny way of using words to spin stories towards their bias.

Words like "terrorist" and "demonstrator."

Anybody who read or watched Black Hawk Down knows those "demonstrators" can be pretty awful, and we shot a hell of a lot of them that day, from the ground and from the air. Not all were toting guns, either.

This isn't to say that the French aren't a bunch of pompous poodles. I've been around the French military, what a bunch of assholes. As with anything it depends on who you get, but I wasn't impressed.

The point is that this is a nighttime shot of a crowd, and it's impossible to see the whole story, just like it was impossible to tell the whole story of the Marine in the mosque. And they are only equivalent except in the nature of the out-of-context excerpt.

I fully believe they have done this and other similar atrocities, but let it come out with blatant proof, rather than grainy nighttime footage.

God, the hypocrisy inherent in the thundering silence from human rights groups with regards to the French soldier's behaviour in the Ivory Coast makes me sick to my stomach. It's a fucking outrage. Anti-War organisations, human rights groups, et al... it's just a big fucking sham. The world needs to wake up. Something has to be done to restore common sense to the brainwashed masses.

Despicable.

But I'm sure Dan Rather and those real news hounds down at CBS...

[sound of crickets, courtesy of TotallySirius]

And then, panties on the heads of hard-core terrorists makes the front page for montns. Where are the MSM senses of proportions, duty, fairness, integrity, humanity...

I've asked this before and never received an answer - maybe it's because I don't know what I'm talking about (that's never stopped me from posting before!).
I thought Ivory Coast was an independent nation.
I don't recall the French getting UN Security Council permission to have armed forces there, much less armed forces that are "at war"?
What's France's basis for this (and should we perhaps [covertly, of course] arm and train the citizens of the Ivory Coast?

stupid french, bitching about our troops who bend over backwards to protect civilians, while they open fire at will!

now it's our turn: WAR CRIMES WAR CRIMES! IMPEACH CHIRAQ! CHIRAQ IS HITLER! FRANCONAZI'S ATTACK CIVILIANS! UN INTERVENTION! FRENCH = KKK!

#7 levi from queens - what means "Einsatzgruppen"?

How the hell can the media ignore this stuff? Where are all those dumb human shields who claimed to care so much about civilian lives? Where's Hollywood? The MSM? The antiwar crowd? Michael Moore? Oh yeah, that's right. If you can't blame, slander, or illogically hate your own country it isn't worth talking about. F*CK You Chirac/MSM/LLL/UN!

The French hate Jews, Africans, and Americans? Hmmm, sounds like they'll get along great with Muslims. Shouldn't have any problems with sharia, right? So when the Muslims get too much power in France, we won't have to liberate them, because they'll be happy, and they hate "American imperialism/warmongering." I'm certain they won't beg us to save them/sarcastic

#11 Rock

I would be fully willing to give the French the benefit of the doubt in this and previous cases. The real issue for me is the media coverage. We have to sit here watching grainy footage of this from some Swiss TV station while the US gov't and military gets pilloried endlessly for loud rap music at Gitmo (see the tommorow's lead editorial in the New York Times for the lastest example of this).

This cannot possibly be true. The french are simply not capable of acts of barbarism such as these shootings. They would only warn and never shooted at the manifestors. Next thing you will be saying that killings, rapes and lootings are a nightly reality for the residents of Sierra Leone. Simply true untrue.

I guess instead of peaceful protests, it's time for the Ivoirians to form a terrorist organization, deny the existence of France, and bomb a few buses. Maybe the U.N. will finally sympathize with them.

Ummm do these people even count?

They're not Muslims, they're not French..

Whats the big deal? Jeeesh.

Yeh, this has been all over the news. You can't turn on the TV without it jumping out at you. It's amazing the coverage this thing is getting. The UN has called for an investigation and the ACLU is preparing a dozen law suits. Dan Rather is reporting from the scene. Wow! What an outcry.

The French Army can only feel free to open fire on unarmed civilians. Oh, that must take bravery and guts! I dare them to try it on us Americans that are packing. Thank G-d for the 2nd Amendment.

#10 Jim in Virginia

Looks like the Fwench have a pattern of such behavior.

Yes. I know someone who was there. They 'cleaned' the cave with flamethrowers - women and kids included.

Not very long ago LGF also posted another video of the Frogs killing innocent civilians ([Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] Chirac is a racist pig.

#23, mich-again:

As they say, birds of a feather flock together.

Realwest -- approximately half of the Jews killed in the Holocaust were not killed wholesale in the camps. A group called the Einsatzgruppen --SS guys -- entered Russia in August of 1941 and roamed from town to town executing people (jews, communists, resisting Ukrainians, slavs in general) by retail, i.e 20-200 per day--just shooting them.

The reason the camps were started is that Einsatzgruppen members crumbled under the strain of committing such atrocities.

I'm sure Amnesty Int'l, HRW, and the Int'l Red Cross will do something about this soon. In fact, I'll even hold my breath until they do. (Turns blue, passes out.) STUPID LEFTIST HYPOCRITES!

Appeasing Islamic terrorists and shooting unarmed civilians. Yes, the French have quite a bit to be proud of these days.

#29 levi from queens - can you answer the question I posed at #15?

Boy, the guys on NPR are really giving to those Frenchies over this! Calling them murderers and butchers!

#27 blogbat

Chirac is a racist pig.

Good point - as the Prime Minister he ordered the Ouvea killing.

Now I understand the signs I saw on a website from when this whole thing blew up.. Ivorians with signs that said .. "President Bush Save Us" I thought it was just an insult against the French, but now its clear that they really meant it!

Where are the liberal African Americans on this ?

Are they so entrenched in their battle against all things "Bush" that they won't even make noise for the native Africans being butchered by Bush's detractors? The enemy of my enemy is my friend?

Kfume, Jesse, Al, et al .. Speak up now or shut up forever!

Realwest-- as I recall -- and I'd google a bit, but I'm tired and off to bed shortly -- France has always arrogated to itself the right to interfere in its former colonies. The Ivory Coast may have asked for armed assistance, or perhaps not. There are no U.N. resolutions. There is no international authority to back the use of French force. But at least some of the time, the application of French force has, as I recall, halted atrocities. And the U.S. and the rest of the world has never once called upon France to answer for its interference.

Perhaps such an answer is needed this day.

Whew! Air America is demanding a full investigation and a complete withdrawal of all French troops from the Coast! Chirac has announced his resignation citing Dan Rather and Tom Brokaw as primary reasons.

{sigh!} I like it here in my world.

Clearly, State needs to address this. We need to let Paris know that we are wearying of their murderous ways and their murderous friends. France needs to stand down.

Am I the only person here to find it unusally coincidental and notable that this attempted carnage occured on 11/6/04?

11/6...3/11...9/11...uhmmm...Arafat croaked @3:30 on 11/11

...hmmm

JFK killed on 11/22...RFK killed on 6/6...

Just a coincidence I guess...

My God...

fiery celt

Truly mindboggling.

Sickening. I give the benefit of the doubt to the French troops (haven't seen the video, and it sounds like its inconclusive). But I really don't think it can be said enough, the evil double standards of our "international bodies" "human rights organizations" and "reporters."

A reporter standing next to TERRORISTS in Fallujah gets offed by fire coming from over a mile away, and that's proof that the US is evil. The French use helicopters to kill civilians, and there's not a word. And each and every week the NYT, DNCBS, ABDNC and NBDNC invent atrocities to assign to our government and troops.

Didn't make it onto Kos or DU either from my skimming. The "guardians of human rights" who "care a lot" and "speak truth to power" about abuses against "The Brown People" have more important things to do and discuss. I mean, where's the angle to blame the Jews or America? Not only is it not on the BBC's front page, it's not even on their Africa page. Yes, the same BBC that finds it headline news if an Israeli soldier misses a button on his shirt.

Is there anyone here who does not understand that the Left is all about their power and tearing down their enemies? That they couldn't care less about most of the things they claim to support, save how they can be used to further these goals? That their greatest enemies are God, America, Jews, Western civilization and liberty? That they really do seek to control you through what they choose to tell you (and not tell you) and how its presented?

There is no "independent moderate compromise stance" in between today's Left and Right that is remotely acceptable. This sickness has to be confronted and defeated.

#48 fiery celt
*Humming the Twilight Zone Theme* : It is eerie indeed :-)

Why expect the media to go after the Frogs when not a single US politician has done so in either party. When our political "leaders" get some balls, the media will be forced to follow.

#43 Model4

I give the benefit of the doubt to the French troops

One thing you probably don't know is that those troops are still officially called the Infanterie Coloniale.

Help!

My son has a report due on Ivory Coast TOMORROW, which I only learned of today. He has a bunch of statistical facts, but I want to include something about recent political issues.

There are posts about the recent uprising, but I'm not finding what "lead" to the uprising.

Oh if I could only spend all my time keeping up, I'd be informed!

Anyone got a quick link, at least to what led to the recent uprising, or anything helpful you think we can jam into this report?

Oy.

"lead" = "led"

Its typical, when it isn't an American or Isreali pulling the trigger and a pooor opressed Mujahadeen being killed the world could give a damn.

Sadly, I'm beginnig to think that the Fifth Republic is dead, replaced by the Second Vichy France.

#47 Sojourner

If you speak French, see here.

51 Mr. Pol,

Thanks, sorry, I don't.

#46 Mr Pol: I'm fairly convinced that France leads its armed forces into nefarious acts and in support of nefarious policies. Believe their armed forces has people who are quite comfortable in putting down the serfs who don't get with the program. All I'm trying to say is that with nothing to go on but the text of the thread entry, I'm not going to say the troops definitely did something wrong. If they did, they should be held accountable. Hell, if they were treated the way the Left claims our troops should be, they'd already be convicted and Chirac lead off to the guillotine.

The world cries for human rights and Chirac retorts: "Let them eat cake!"

OT: Heard on ABC radio news tonight their take on Ridge's stepping down. He was "the man who told us to use duct tape and plastic to ward of terror attacks, and gave us silly color coded threat levels. He was chosen for the job because how he looked and sounded was deemed soothing to the public." (paraphrased).

Absolutely sickening. The guy gets the worst possible job in the US, leads a brand new government department in time of fear and war, and has a magnificent record in preventing terror attacks in the US. Wasn't a single damn talking head after 9/11 that dreamed we'd go a year without a significant terror attack, much less three. And they mock the guy in their "news" cast, and find not one positive thing to say about an impressive record.

What liberal media?

#52 Sojourner

To make it short - armed struggle and military coups have become a legitimate means of acquiring power since the 1999 coup by general Guei - the 'international community' *spit* as well as the two major opposition parties in Ivory Coast (Alassane Ouattara's RDR and Laurent Gbagbo's FPI) accepted the coup and legalized Guei's rule. Gbabo was democratically elected in October 2000 - sort of, as he previously had all other important candidated barred from running by the Ivorian Supreme Court. But still, it meant that Ivory Coast was back on track. In Sept. 2002, the leader of the Muslim minority led a failed coup against Gbabo, then resorted to armed struggle in the Muslim part of the country. In Sept. 2003 France forced on the Ivory Coast gov't the Marcoussis treaty, which legalized the rebellion and gave them half the country and half the gov't. Of course, the rebels did not abide by the treaty, and in particular did not disarm and kept killing non-Muslims. So France got back into Ivory Coast to impose by force the Marcoussis treaty... only, not on the rebels.

The government of Jacques Chirac has led Europe in condemning Israel's efforts to defend itself by swatting down terrorists who are threats to Israel's population. It is basically a matter of self-defense. But the government of France, with the European amen chorus, says that Israel's active defense of its population is "extra-judicial execution", as if the war that Israel is waging is nothing more than a criminal-justice and courtroom procedure. In other words, France, and its Euro followers, would like every bullet that Israel fires to be preceded by a court trial.

But I don't see France acting that way. Where was the trial procedure when French helicpters fired on Ivory Coast civilians?

France demands a pacifist stance be taken by Israel, but not for itself. The words of the French government need to be identified as pure hypocricy. They need to be considered in the context of French actions, not French pretenses.

Also, I see little justification for France's demand to lead the world as a focus of multipolarism, as the center of gravity of a group of states that rival the US. France would like third world countries to join it in opposition to the US. But it seems that France is plagued with a problem of racism, if they can just blithely fire on unarmed blacks in Africa. And France seems to have a complex about continuing in the path of its colonialist imperialist past. That's why they are continuing to lord it over its former colonialist conquest, Ivory Coast. So why should third world countries trust France?

#53 Model4

When you call troops Colonial infantry, you train them in a colonial mindset... I do NOT give the benefit of the doubt to French Colonial infantry. I happen to know them way too well.

#47 Sojourner

I found this to be fairly informative:

[Link: www.globalpolicy.org...]

Model4, if you think that's bad you should try CBS radio pravda, er I mean news some time. The spin is so bad you'll swear you saw taffee coming out of your speakers.

#15 Realwest.

I don't recall the French getting UN Security Council permission to have armed forces there, much less armed forces that are "at war"?

They have a UNSC resolution AGAINST the Ivory Coast Government.

PARIS - Peace must be "imposed" on Ivory Coast if the warring sides there refuse to abide by a ceasefire, says French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier, hailing sanctions voted by the UN Security Council against the west African state.

"There must be a lasting cessation of hostilities in the country," Barnier said on Europe 1 radio. "If some parties don't immediately understand how to do that, then peace will have to be imposed," he added.

"That's the message the members of the UN Security Council were trying to send" by unanimously endorsing a French-proposed resolution calling for sanctions against Ivory Coast."

http://www.sundaytimes.co.za/zones/sundaytimesNEW/ basket6st/basket6st1100606927.aspx

#57 EE

France seems to have a complex about continuing in the path of its colonialist imperialist past.

French troops stationed in former French colonies are still officially called Colonial Infantry. What complex?

One more 'coincidence'...

speaking about 9.11.2004, Ivoiry hotel “massacre” )

“...However it’s wasn’t the first time French Army shooted without ”warning shots“ (shot in the air).

We are on November 6, three days before the shooting of the hotel ivory.

the demonstrators (manifestors) move towards the French military base. French helicopters shoot directly at the demonstrators.

There would have been sixty died at the time of these various operations.

Tonight, the French Army admits ”a score“ of about 20 deaths

So in addition to 11/6... we have 11/9 as a date were mass killings are performed---

Nah---It's just my imagination

#61 Anabel

""That's the message the members of the UN Security Council were trying to send" by unanimously endorsing a French-proposed resolution calling for sanctions against Ivory Coast."

Death, the ultimate sanction.

We should also alert the "Center for Constitutional Rights," a NY advocacy group that filed war crimes charges against Rumsfeld and several other officers in a German court today.

Yes, you read that right.

I hope the Ivorians weren't killed for supporting Bush and the USA.
It sounds like something the back stabbing cowardly fwenchies would do,especially that unflushed turd Chirac.

#65 OilStooge

Thanks for alerting us to this revolting moonbat hypocrisy.

The moonbats have a form to send an e-mail to the prosecutors, with a bilingual message endorsing their disgusting action. However, one can delete their text and write a message opposing the lawsuit, as I just did. To do this, go to

[Link: www.ccr-ny.org...]

I'm now very glad that the French are NOT on our side. They are no better than the Islamo-Nazis.

#7 Levi

More like the Schuts Staffel suppressing dissent.

#11 Rock

This isn't to say that the French aren't a bunch of pompous poodles

That's an unfair swipe at poodles.

I agree though, this video doesn't prove anything. I wouldn't be surprised if the French murdered a bunch of civilians peacefully singing kum by yah. But I also wouldn't be suprised if the French soldiers were returing fire, rightfully in fear of their lives.

Somewhat OT:

Do any of you believe there was an islamic connection with the Oklahoma City bombings? I suggested this to a friend yesterday and he laughed at me.

[Anchor] Stay tuned, NEWS at 10. Learn what's happened today at the Scott Peterson trial.

[cut to commercial]

The thought of Germans prosecuting anyone for war crimes is just flabbergasting.

to 71 -- a reporter has gathered a lot of evidence to that effect link-- but Terry NIchols and Tim McVeigh have always said that they acted alone.

Mr. Pol / Coco

Thanks :)

Leftover rehash...

@74

There is an islamic link. Through a sister in law of Terry McNichols I believe.
And through eyewitnesses, there was a third person on the scene just before the explosion. This male was described as arabic in physical description. He was never identified and no trace was ever found of a third person.
Although they still have perserved at the morgue an undentified leg from the bombing.

69 rjm319:

Thanks for the tip - I followed your example:

I am writing to express my opposition to, and my disgust at the criminal
complaint filed against U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, et al.,
by the Center for Constitutional Rights.

Regardless of how demeaning the occurrances at Abu Ghraib may have been,
yet they caused no physical harm to the prisoners. Equating this
situation with the atrocities committed every day by islamofascist thugs
is not only ridiculous, it is criminal. Sexual harassment is NOT
equivalent to the blowing up of innocent civilians with car bombs. A
"pig-pile" of naked terrorists cannot be compared with thousands of
murdered men, women and children stacked one on the other in mass graves.

The charges brought against United States officials and their staff
members are patently baseless, and in any case, in my opinion, do not fall
within the jurisdiction of the German judicial system.

Sincerely yours,

Oklahoma Bombing -

The Third Terrorist: The Middle East Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing by Jayna Davis

Hey Lizardoids! This is TOTALLY OT, BUT I NEED YOUR HELP.

I am working on a piece about the babies being "euthanized" in the Netherlands.

If I know anything about LGF, I know that if it exists- You can find it!

I have emailed Charles (just now) to ask for his help, but I know he is busy! (God Bless Charles!)

I am looking for any studies, facts, or information that would include these types of practices in countries with "state funded" healthcare vs private healthcare. I am at a loss on trying to find stats on this. I don't even know if such a study exists, but I do know that if it does- YOU ALL CAN FIND IT!

Of course, I am just interested in knowing if these "euthanasia" cases or laws, or practices are more prevelant in states where the gov't is in control of healthcare. It may not be the case- I don't know- I am just trying to find out!

Have him read Davis' The Third Terrorist linked in #74 and endorsed by former CIA Director James Woolsey and have him get back to you.

I've read it and it presents compelling evidence that Iraqi's were all over that operation and that Nichols probably trained for the mission with Islamic terrorists in the Phillippines.

The Clinton administration didn't want to be put under the microscope for its lackluster responses to Islamic attacks on US assets abroad so the directive went out to the agencies and media to focus on the white guys, not the brown guys. And so it was.

But America's instincts were right. Iraqi's were apparently all over this operation.

#81 That was for Aquatic Cadaver Dog post #71

#71 Aquatic Cadaver Dog-

Do any of you believe there was an islamic connection with the Oklahoma City bombings? I suggested this to a friend yesterday and he laughed at me.

You will find a plethura of articles on this thread---

Here

Here

and

Here

Sorry- did I scare everyone off?

#67 Good Idea! Here's mine:

I am writing to express my utter contempt for the criminal complaint filed against U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, et al., by the Center for Constitutional Rights, represented by Wolfgang Kaleck of Berlin, on November 30, 2004.

I kindly request that you disregard this ridiculous attempt to conflate the prank-like incidents at Abu Ghraib with the genuine and incontrovertible war crimes and atrocities carried out almost daily by Islamic insurgents in Iraq, and around the world.

The International Criminal Court has no jurisdiction in this matter and all the moonbat letters from this source, notwithstanding, their attempts to raise the matter here are a waste of your time as the US is not party to the relevant treaties.

Sincerely yours,

I know it's OT, but I had to spend the whole day with these moonbats and work all night editing these photos...
I thought you guys might like my Ottawa protest photos...

[Link: www.idfisrael.com...]
[Link: www.idfisrael.com...]

#80 eeevil conservative

The only stats I found are here and relate to Netherlands. I think that is so far the only coutry that has some legal and ethical framework in that regard.

I suppose that because in other places it is not called euthanasia Good luck with sorting it out, the stats would be swept under different labels, and probably thus meaningless.

ec,

Try google with: assisted suicide under socialized healthcare
It may yield quite a bit, stats may be hard to find, though.

ordog

Thanks! I have some links about this being done in Britain- the doctors were for it, and parents against, and they went to court- the DOC'S WON! One child left to die was at least one year old! Doc's refused to rescesitate (SP? Sorry it is late) once baby stopped breathing! Horrible! not the same as injecting a baby with a death shot, but since when can DOCTORS over rule parents on life support? I don't get it! ANyway-- THANK YOU!

IDFDave, I just commented on the Moonbat thread. You did a phenomenal job, thanks for posting them.

I'm absolutely amazed the Ivorian's haven't gone ballistic and torn the Fwrench apart, they must have taken up heavily fortified positions. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes them to request additional troops from the U.N..

White flags won't help them a bit unless they were issued the queen-sized edition which double as body bags.

OT - my apologies if this was previously posted. If there was ever a reason to boot the U.N. out of the U.S. and stop all payments, this is it: U.N. Panel Rejects Bush Stance on Military Action

An influential U.N.-appointed panel challenged the Bush administration's right to use military force against an enemy that does not pose an imminent military threat.

The panel appointed by Kofi,

said in a long-awaited report that only the U.N. Security Council has the legal standing to authorize such a "preventive war."

We're now well past the time to give the Un a hardy heave-ho.

Its certainly not hard to guess where this is going to go... We'd better start gearing-up.

88 ordog

Thanks-- great suggestion for google search! I found one article that doesn't give the statistics I was looking for, but sure gave me some GREAT real cases of INSANITY in the Netherlands! Good Greif! They have psych's that literally prescribed a lethal dose to a patient that suffered from DEPRESSION! The Doc was convicted and the court refused to sentence him!

Dang- what is this world coming to! No physical defect- just depressed- oh, well then by all means-- let me help you kill yourself! I thought doc's were supposed to look for solutions that SAVED LIVES!

AAARRRG!

#86 IDFDave

That is an incredible collection of photos and captions (in the zombie tradition). Once again, the AP/Reuters photos completely avoid the really ugly stuff, which was obviously out in full force.

A mock beheading?
Sharon as monkey?

Just simply staggering.

"He said 'score'."

"Yeah, score! Heeheehee heeheehee!"

--Beavis and Butthead

Every phrase and every sentence is an end and a beginning,
Every poem an epitaph. And any action
Is a step to the block, to the fire, down the sea's throat
Or to an illegible stone: and that is where we start.
We die with the dying:
See, they depart, and we go with them.
We are born with the dead:
See, they return, and bring us with them.
The moment of the rose and the moment of the yew-tree
Are of equal duration. A people without history
Is not redeemed from time, for history is a pattern
Of timeless moments. So, while the light fails
On a winter's afternoon, in a secluded chapel
History is now and England.

With the drawing of this Love and the voice of this
Calling

We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
Through the unknown, unremembered gate
When the last of earth left to discover
Is that which was the beginning;
At the source of the longest river
The voice of the hidden waterfall
And the children in the apple-tree
Not known, because not looked for
But heard, half-heard, in the stillness
Between two waves of the sea.
Quick now, here, now, always—
A condition of complete simplicity
(Costing not less than everything)
And all shall be well and
All manner of thing shall be well
When the tongues of flame are in-folded
Into the crowned knot of fire
And the fire and the rose are one.

--T. S. Eliot

#93 OilStooge
actually I've been getting some training from Zombie

#90 zulubaby
but will I get a link?

I ordered a littlegreen shirt, it didn't arrive yet, I would have worn it at the end...

IDFDave, I don't know if you'll get a link but I went to bat for you :-)

... and I really, really hope you do. Those pictures should be seen by everyone.

#89 eeevil conservative 11/30/2004 10:45PM PST

rescesitate would be resuscitate.

... not the same as injecting a baby with a death shot, but since when can DOCTORS over rule parents on life support?

Probably more common in EU than one would suspect. The physician is a supreme being, and hold keys to the patient life, simply because of medical expertise. Ethics are secondary.

Under not so enlightened regimes, the status quo is even worse. At least the Brits can contest the individual cases legally. IN places where health professionals are de facto state employees, that may be possible a well, but there is simply no contest, the state would burry you, or less euphemistically simply dismiss the case.

That may be even the situation in less prominent cases where negligence is involved. I don't mean something in the scope what Edwards was doing. I mean real, bona fide negligence.

Imagine two todds, twins, about 18 months old. Their parents decided to take a vacation for 10 days and put the kids in a nursery home/clinic for that period of time. When they return, they go pickup their kids and the main nurse that was on duty does not know where to look for them. After some time and some calls, the nusre figures out that because of some shuffling of the children after 3 days of the twins' stay due to renovation in one wing, they were put in a spare single room just under the roof. Somehow, someone neglected to log it. For 7 long days, the twins were there alone. No one came there. At all. No food. No drink. Nothing. The parents found the twins just a nick from death. In half a day later, there would be a funeral. The twins were just skin and bones. The parents were devastated, mother cried her eyes out, the father was shaking with anger. They knew that suing would do no good. The state was all powerfull, especially that the state equaled commies. Just a simple equation.

It took almost a whole year for the twins to relearn walking, talking, practically everything. The Christmas of 1957 was memorable. It is the fisrt thing that one of the twins can recall. Before that, just blankness, maybe two short disconnected snippets of fuzzy memory.

Mybe because of that, I decided, intuitively, that I would try to remember as much as possible. The blank abyss of amnesia is scary, it bites off chunks your identity, even if you are a child. I have a great recall since I was 3.

eeevil conservative;

Archives and miltiple Links

International Task Force
on Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide

Archives of News Items on Euthanasia and End-of-Life Decisions (2004)

From a Slippery Slope to an Avalanche

The Nazi Euthanasia Program

EUTHANASIA in EUROPE

Now They Want to Euthanize Children
In the Netherlands, 31 percent of pediatricians have killed infants. A fifth of these killings were done without the "consent" of parents. Going Dutch has never been so horrible.

If an idea, movement or policy reeks of a hatred of humanity...then it is readily identified as being works of Satan. Satan seeks the destruction of humanity.

#86 IDFDave

I can't believe I am in the same country. Rural BC is inhabited by normal people.So is most of Alberta. But I am not that far from Vancouver, and that is another moonbat zone.

OT

Seems that the Red Sea resort bombing was a bigger affair than previously acknowledged by Egyptian authorities.

They seem to blame local beduins, but as far as I know, beduins loathe Paleos.
3000 people detained, and in some cases family members like wives and children to force the suspect to come out.

One note on the socialized heathcare system as I remember it from the workers' paradise... Without acquaintance with a physician or a specialist, ar without money or goods to bribe them, you could as well croak without delay.

#89 Evil Conservative

Don't believe everything you read. I looked into this about a month ago. Piecing the bits of info I found together: The baby was born with Trisomy 18, a severe genetic desease. Most kids die in utereo or shortly after birth. A few have been known to survive until one year. The disease can effect all the organs of the body. This baby had several holes in his heart. The mother wanted surgery to repair them even though the baby would still die. The baby had coded several times but the mother wanted to continue to resuscitate. The doctors advised the mother there should be no more heroic efforts to keep this baby alive. The mother disagreed so they went to a court that handles these cases. At the hearing, the mother agreed that it was in the best interest of the child not to resuscitate. But per the mother's wishes, the judge ordered no resusucitation beyond a mask and oxygen. When the baby coded a month later, the staff called the mom so she could be there. They worked on the baby for an hour and then stopped. That is not euthanesia nor is it denying care. No matter what they would have done, the baby was going to die. And while he lived until he was 9 or 10 months, he was never well enough to go home. After the baby died, the mother went on some big publicity campaign that her baby was killed. He was not. It's total crap. And while I'm sorry for her, I think she has a screw loose. While in the US we would not go to a court, the care and advice to not resuscitate would be the same.

Robert Spencer on "America at Night" with Ernie Brown. At least on 1310Am out of Greeley, Colorado. Sorry if anybody beat me to this.

#103 ordog Johnson:

I note these two paragraphs from the story you link to:

"...The mainly Bedouin inhabitants of the Sinai have no previous record of association with Islamic extremism, according to Diaa Rashwan, an expert at the Al Ahram Centre for Strategic and Political studies.

"Detainees include women and children held in an attempt to force a relative to turn himself in and others picked up randomly from outside mosques and on the streets, said Hafez Abu Saadeh, director of the Egyptian Organisation for Human Rights..."

It seems some of the '3000 suspects' just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time and got 'picked up'. Not that they'd be of any use in a serious 'investigation'.

107 foreign devil

Well, Egyptians are fishing. You have to consider that folks there are members of clans and that is how usually authorities go about their business. The article is a bit vague if the 3000 detained are local beduins of people from other areas.

Kinda reminds me of KSA mode of 'surrounding' terrorists. Maybe Egyptians are a tad more efficient, but I would not swear on it.

of people = or people

Garnier #81,

I heard Jayna on radio, in a long interview. Damn near irrefutable, with the third terrorist (Iraqi link) proven in a court of law. This woman( [Link: www.jaynadavis.com)...] came off as thoroughly professional, and doggedly meticulous, right up til the FBI began withdrawing its support. Not your average reporter by any means. You'd think CBS ("Calumnous Bullcasting Service") would be biting, but no, they've got mines to plant and miles to go before they deep six.

Not quite completely OT. Today is Mark Twain's/Samuel Clemens' birthday, so a quotation is in order.

"We are human. A bit lower than the angels, a bit above the French."

Fox News: "Should Kofi Annan resign?"

Luigi: "No. Shoot him at his desk."

regrets for advocating violence...

#89 Evil Conservative & # 105 Jooly

The baby in that case was also constantly in a great deal of pain. Can you image the feelings of the doctors & nurses who cared for the child? After 9 months you cannot blame them for wanting to end the baby's agony, especially when they knew that he was going to die anyway.

OT

Look at the most impressive -80C cloud tops of the central dense overcast of Typhoon Nanmadol.

That is what a Cat 4 tropical cyclone looks like.

Now that meteorological winter (December 1 to February 28) is here, it isn't a good time to be a tropical cyclone in the North Atlantic, over water cooler than the magic 26.5C, with 20 knots westerly shear (forecast to increase to 40 knots tomorrow) pushing what thunderstorms the cool water can support away from the center.

Minimal Atlantic Tropical Storm Otto

Closer to my house, although the morning low at Intercontinetal Airport was 2C, and IAH is less than 15 km from my house, my lawn was white and crunchy, and I had to use an expired ATM card to scrape my windshield clean.

A touch too early for a major winter storm out of it, but rapidly intensifying storm over the Northeast US. Binghampton, NY at 29.42" Hg (996 mb). Gusty winds and wet soils could lead to trees being uprooted in much of Upstate NY into interior New England.

OT- I wonder if this guy was an Evergreen Student

24 year old Washington State man heats lava lamp on stove, dies when lamp explodes driving shard of glass into his heart.

Good morning, LGF, American Infidel,

PS...I do believe that is how the majority of the world thinks...

At least you believe the majority of the world thinks. That's an optimistic assessment. ;)

I can't get the link to work. It brings up RealPlayer but nothing plays.

#92 eeevil conservative

I thought doc's were supposed to look for solutions that SAVED LIVES!

Zilly Amiz wiz votre idealiztic notionz...
/French doctor (15,000 KIA from lack of AC in one Summer)

Yes, that is very frightening. Depression is treatable and often temporary. I guess the doctor was saving the state health care system some money. They probably pinned a medal on his chest.

The nation or people of Ivory coast should simply go to the Int'l Court of Justice in the Hague with the video and bring suit against Chirac and the French military for war crimes. Lets see how quickly the EUs beloved ICJ gets shut down.

OT ... but funny. "Day by Day" shows Dan Rather's new career path.

[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

#80 eeevil conservative:

You might want to try Scholar.google.com - the link uses the terms euthanasia national study. It pulls treatises, papers, and journal articles.

It wont pull stuff from commercial sites, so that helps weed out some of the crapola that is out there.

OT, but worth a click on this cartoon!

OT - 2 fabulous editorials in today's WSJ
Claudia Rosett: Secretary and Son and Norm Coleman: Kofi Annan Must Go

Woops, Abaddon. All I had to do was scroll up one more post, but... -:)

The baby was born with Trisomy 18, a severe genetic desease. Most kids die in utereo or shortly after birth. A few have been known to survive until one year. The disease can effect all the organs of the body. This baby had several holes in his heart. The mother wanted surgery to repair them even though the baby would still die

While it is true that @90% of children die within 1 year usually of severe heart defects/abnormalities, there are some that live to be older and are living now. There are success stories out there of children whose parents have insisted on medical treatment (and the parents and children seem to think it is worth it.)

This just in: Pentagon uses mainstream media to dupe enemy

The Pentagon in 2002 was forced to shutter its controversial Office of Strategic Influence (OSI), which was opened shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks, after reports that the office intended to plant false news stories in the international media. But officials say that much of OSI's mission — using information as a tool of war — has been assumed by other offices throughout the U.S. government.

Although most of the work remains classified, officials say that some of the ongoing efforts include having U.S. military spokesmen play a greater role in psychological operations in Iraq, as well as planting information with sources used by Arabic TV channels such as Al Jazeera to help influence the portrayal of the United States.

Other specific examples were not known, although U.S. national security officials said an emphasis had been placed on influencing how foreign media depict the United States.

These efforts have set off a fight inside the Pentagon over the proper use of information in wartime. Several top officials see a danger of blurring what are supposed to be well-defined lines between the stated mission of military public affairs — disseminating truthful, accurate information to the media and the American public — and psychological and information operations, the use of often-misleading information and propaganda to influence the outcome of a campaign or battle.

Several of those officials who oppose the use of misleading information spoke out against the practice on the condition of anonymity.

"The movement of information has gone from the public affairs world to the psychological operations world," one senior defense official said. "What's at stake is the credibility of people in uniform."

To say nothing of actually winning the war that you're fighting. Which, as this article is written, is not a consideration for the guy offering the quote.

#86 IDFDave

I'm afraid of the Butt Pirates and their mysterious anal lightning bolts. Maybe it's static electricity from friction?

waaay OT - Great news...I'm sure everyone will breathe a sigh of relief knowing that the President of the United Nations Security Council this month is Abdallah Baali, Permanent Representative of Algeria.

Just look to the future and ponder all those wonderful possibilities of who will be able to preside over the Security Council and the Military Staff Committee when they reform the Un, expanding the Council from 15 to 24/25 members.

Peace in our Time!

ugh

#116

Thanks for the weather info. Nice to see there are other weather freaks out&about. Today's east coast storm is generating some impressive wind gusts 50-55mph.

Good news to wake up to:

More Than 210 Militants Arrested in Iraq

National Review Online Editorial states what anyone with a brain already knows: The European Unions negotiations with Iran over its nuclear program is a dangerous farce.

WHAT?
Israel May End Work on Separation Barrier

This I find suspicious: A group of high school students in Charlotte, NC, wanted to write Christmas letters to soldiers in Iraq. But their principal blocked it; the school now has the students writing cheery letters to the French soldiers in Ivory Coast! When asked by a local TV station, the principal muttered a bunch of mumbo jumbo about DoD regulations and non-cooperation. Now, the DoD is in fact a big bureaucracy and it can do stupid things sometimes, but I've not heard of anyone else having this problem. I suspect that the principal is imposing his own political agenda, and the students (who probably don't know anything about what is really going on in Ivory Coast) are being duped. Is there anyone up in NC who knows more about what is going on here?

#66 TotallySirius

Actually the Ivorians DO support the USA, BUSH and Fighting Terrorism!

The story I linked in #134 has this tagged on the end

Israeli troops forced a Palestinian man to play his violin in order to pass through a roadblock near the West Bank city of Nablus, said an Israeli human rights activist who captured the Nov. 9 incident on video.

Except they didn't force him and the activist didn't really say that they did.

[Link: www.dailytimes.com.pk...]

Read the above. A sick act of hudood law (shariah).

Renna,

It is common practice in all security area crossings across the world to validate the packages being transported as authentic.

Sometimes the items are simply tossed and not even tested.

Goign to and fro Canada that can easily happend very often.

I would say this:

1. The Israeli soldiers were being too nice and allowed the instrument to be validated by the carrier and obviously taken with him across the security area barrier.

2. The videographer clearly has their own agenda that they are trying to spread across the media with their own admitted to associations.

This is a non-case with an emotional image that is not-completely congruous within the differing contexts that the agenda driven person has in mind.

I would even juxtapose this with the Kevin Sites and his video agenda.

In this day and age knowing a news reporters background can be as important as the news they are reporting themselves since most do not follow the basic Journalism 101 principles of objectivity.

#138 Renna,

in abstract the whole violin incident boils to to a test of whether the object in question is actually employable for the purpose it purports to be employed for.

Anyone who has had to switch on their computer or discman, or take a picture with their camera at an airport or other such security check point knows this and apart from historic connotations to violin playing in Nazi concentration camps there is absolutely nothing objectionable to such a test.

OT: Surprise surprise, Hamas says it will boycott the Palestinian elections...

think of france's contibution to the world in the last 500 years --what/how would the world be like/different without france?...

OT

Good article on Israeli buisnesses thriving under pressure.

"One day G-d called all the leaders of the world into Heaven. He told them they had made a mess of the world, and that it was time to start the whole experiment over. 'Go to your peoples,' he thundered, 'and tell them in six months I shall cover the earth with another flood.' Contrite, the American president advised his countrymen to repent and prepare to meet their Maker. The Russian president told his subjects to eat, drink and be merry, for soon the world would end. The Israeli prime minister told the Knesset, 'We have six months to learn to live underwater.'"

OT - Heads up to Canucks: The CBC's Fifth Estate will be airing a documentary tonight about al Qaeda and the dangerous spread of jihadism, especially in Europe. The downside: it's a co-production of the Ceeb, PBS and The New York Times, so any insights and criticism will undoubtedly be tempered by the usual squishy leftist thinking which sees some of the situation as being our fault.
[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

#135 Cousin Dave
I forwarded this to my brother in Chapel Hill NC - if he gives me any background on this, I'll post it. This'll piss him off to no end...

Seems as if the French cartoonist has a need for new material - try The Ivory Coast!

#143 - As much as we might hate to admit it - the revolutionary war would have been much tougher without the Frenchie's help.

Then they decided to have their own Beheading Revolution... hmm, maybe that's why they love the islamofacists, reminds them of their own beautiful bloodlust filled past.

This is interesting. The Interim Iraqi Government is tiring of Iranian meddling. The Iranians respond by offering to 'train' Iraqi security forces. Of course, that's one of the problems now. I don't think a free Iraq is possible until the mullahs' terrorists, agents, shaheeds, and guerillas are shut down.

OT:

Abu Mohammed said Janabi gave Ahmed a bottle of fragrance -- a tradition of the prophet Muhammad, who adored musk and believed its aroma could awaken the spirit... Residents trade stories: that the knights of the prophet Muhammad were seen riding through Fallujah's streets on horseback with their swords drawn; that birds guided by God cast stones at Apache helicopters; that a scented breeze descends on the fighters as they battle U.S. troops.

Terrorist Insurgent In Washington Post (MSNBC Link)

#148 - your link is borked.

This should work hopefully.

LOL - that's one of the worst cartoons I've ever seen. I'm sure the Frogs really found it to be a powerful indictment of the US's suppression of the press... or some such garbage

Oh Le Monde...

Second try at showing the only war a French cartoonist sees and it's not in the Ivory Coast.

Barghouti to Seek Palestinian Presidency

Associates of Marwan Barghouti said Wednesday that the jailed Palestinian uprising leader has decided to run for president, reversing an earlier decision and throwing Palestinian politics into disarray.

Because Palestinian "politics" is otherwise very organized.

#151 -
that a scented breeze descends on the fighters as they battle U.S. troops.

I wonder what the smell of lead and depleted uranium mixed is?

#152 It sure would have helped on my first attempt if I had put the http:// in front of it!

I'm wondering if any of the "Bush-whacking" cartoonists in this country will start in on the French. Don't hold my breath?

Hamas Says to Boycott Palestinian Presidential Vote

"We in the Islamic resistance announce our boycott and our non-participation in the presidential elections for the Palestinian Authority," Ismail Haniyeh, a senior Hamas leader, told reporters in Gaza City.

Not in disarray though.

PC is still making every traveler unsafe

The skittishness of an airline executive about the possibility of behavioral profiling at American airports should be a thing of the past. Edmond Soliday, former United Airlines Vice President of Safety, lauds Israel's intense scrutiny of passengers. Soliday says he was "profiled" in Israel. "I was a single man alone, with no checked baggage, in that airport for the first time, wandering aimlessly looking for a pay phone. Security hit me." He was intensively questioned, and not just with "seven canned questions preapproved by the Department of Justice, as here." That kind of intervention found two suicide bombers in the Tel Aviv airport, who were walking on the concourse with identical gym bags but pretending not to know each other. Security sweated them and found explosives in their bags. Why don't we do what the Israelis do? I asked Soliday. "I'd be in jail in a week," he replied.

#146 scaramouche

OT - Heads up to Canucks: The CBC's Fifth Estate will be airing a documentary tonight about al Qaeda and the dangerous spread of jihadism, especially in Europe. The downside: it's a co-production of the Ceeb, PBS and The New York Times, so any insights and criticism will undoubtedly be tempered by the usual squishy leftist thinking which sees some of the situation as being our fault.

yep

I bet you that they try to make a point that we are losing the war on terror based on the assumption that there are more terrorists now then there were before 9/11.

Why is Barghouti allowed to have a press office and run a campaign from prison? Can anyone explain that to me?

Is he going to get work-release so he can go out and make speeches?

Al-Quds' student union head killed in Nablus

Al-Aksa Martyrs' Brigades, Fatah's armed wing, issued a statement soon after Nasser Al-Badawi's death accusing Israel of the assassination.

Natch. Still, no disarray.

OT - But hopefully true:

Tests show Fallujah body was not Hassan
December 2, 2004 - 1:00AM
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Margaret Hassan
Photo: AFP

Dental records have shown a mutilated body discovered in the besieged Iraqi city of Fallujah was not kidnapped Irish-born CARE Australia worker Margaret Hassan.

The findings cast doubts over the fate of the 59-year-old head of CARE International's work in Iraq, a position funded by CARE Australia, who was kidnapped by insurgents on her way to work on October 19.

No group admitted holding Mrs Hassan and no contact was made with her kidnappers, but a grainy video received by al-Jazeera television in mid-November showed a blindfolded woman in an orange suit being shot.

US marines found the body of a woman in in her fifties with her limbs severed and her throat cut two weeks ago.

Mrs Hassan's husband Tahseen Ali Hassan told British newspaper The Times he did not know if she was dead or alive.

"In my mind she is still alive," Mr Hassan told the newspaper, which reported the findings of the dental tests today, quoting British sources in Baghdad.

"Maybe I'm wrong, but I was with Margaret for 33 years. I cannot believe she has been abducted and killed."
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Care Australia confirmed the results were accurate, The Australian newspaper reported.

AAP
[Link: www.smh.com.au...]

161 Geepers

The israelis are much to nice to him. He should be in isolation.

Morning all

Remember al Manar, the Hebollah TV station the French liscensed about 2 weeks ago? Well, they fucked up already and the French appear ready to pull them off the air.

Most notably, on November 23, the station screened a press roundup during which a participant alleged there were "Zionist attempts to transmit dangerous illnesses such as AIDS via exports to Arab countries."

French regulators want Al-Manar TV off air

#86 IDFDave

Yes a very good job with the photos; thank you for posting them.

Not since the Old Testament has man been so plagued by frogs from the sky.

OT

Mfume to quit as NAACP chief

SF Gate.com

#114 dhimmi_not

I have no idea what or who you are referring to. The baby in England was not euthanized. And no, I don't think the medical staff's feelings are important. They are to give medical opinions, not express their own feelings. It was in the best interest of the baby to not resuscitate. The mother finally agreed. After the baby died, she cried foul. The story is being misreported.

grayp (#165)

I wonder what the French expected the content was going to be. Someone said something about the agreement with Hezbollah being in exchange for information about the two French journalists kidnapped in Iraq. Who knows? The French can't resist a deal with the devil.

Its programming focuses on the Palestinian struggle for statehood, and the station regularly praises anti-Israeli suicide attacks carried out by the Palestinian radical groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

How quaint.

Perhaps Mfume will go back to using his pre-convict name, Frizzell Gray, I believe it was.

Kweisi makes me queasy.

IDFDave #86 - Great photos!

Ha ha...OT: Preparing the Arab world to deal with Arafat's AIDS-the Zionists inject AIDS virus as poison.

#162 zulubaby

Fatah's armed wing

As opposed to those Baaleostinians who carry rifles as a fashion statement or a means of expressing happiness.

WriterMom (#174)

Meanwhile, the umbrella organization of Jewish institutions in France has decided to step up its protest against the airing of “al-Manar”. In recent days, the organization began asking citizens throughout the country to sign a petition against the station titled, “Worried French Citizens”.

The French Jews need to wake up. They should not be "Worried French Citizens", they should be "Absolutely Outraged that this Crap is being Broadcast French Citizens". It's incitement and hate speech and propaganda.

#177 zulubaby

It's too late for any of that. They should be ex-French citizens (while they can still take their wealth with them). I'd expect French property values to be dropping precipitiously in the near future. There are already 800+ no-go zones in France. The average French citizen is not permitted to have a weapon. But the Muslims in France have no trouble arming themselves with all sorts of small arms acquired through the global jihadist arms pipeline. Without the means to defend themselves, Jews in France have bullseyes on their heads.

AI

I was gonna make the same point, didn't want to farqu the thread to the revolution and frwance so I chickened out, however since YOU openned the door...

;~)

we accomplished nothing with the frwench that we could not have accomplished without them...

and save the trechary and weakness of this man Canada would be part of the US...

(Benedict Arnold) He had already begun his treasonable correspondence with Sir Henry Clinton in New York City, and he arranged to betray West Point in exchange for a British commission and a sum of money. The plot was discovered with the capture of John André, but Arnold escaped. In 1781 in the British service he led two savage raids—one against Virginia and the other against New London, Conn.—before going into exile in England and Canada, where he was generally scorned and unrewarded.

notice the irony of the names involved...

American Revolution

Beagle, the media is so dangerous. They are the ones who have made Palestinian terrorism acceptable.

#86

I love that pictures of the hippy idiots in Canada are being circulated !

One of the theories behind the Freedom of Speech is the Market Place of Ideas-- By allowing everyone to speak freely in the public forum, the audience is able to compare products.

These idiots prove to the (rational) audience that they are full of hate. Hate that is supported by irrational conspiracy theories, half truths and outright lies.

The more these people are given media exposure the greater the chance Western Civilization will survive.

The Difference

Liberal are meek - group think

Conservatives are outspoken - independently opinionated

It is easy to be PC

It is harder to have an opinion that is not the norm or acceptable

It is very acceptable in the mainstream to tow the Liberal party-line it is much harder to present a Conservative viewpoint - it takes much more courage ergo Conservatives are far more courageous people.

e.g. [Link: www.encounterbooks.com...]

#139 singh

...Read the above. A sick act of hudood law (shariah).

Terrible and disgusting...

BUT

I found this delightful from the same site: 2 Rapists Hanged. Might seem a bit extreme but I support capital punishment for murder, attempted murder, rape, and child molestation. *shrug* Maybe I'm a bit nuts :)

Beagle, it only starts with the Jews but it never ends there. The French Jews are in more immediate danger than the rest of the French citizens but they're all going to feel the sting eventually. If I'm not mistaken, France has the largest Jewish population in Europe -- 600,000 or so. Even with that, they're grossly outnumbered and the French government does absolutely nothing to protect them. On the contrary, they do their part in feeding them to the Islamic world.

Anyway, the Jews rule the world so I'm sure it will all work out just fine :-l

zulubaby, Beagle

The French Jews need to get out of there while the going is still not total murder and terror against them. They are so desired as immigrants in Israel, actually Netanya in particular is chock-full of French speakers. It's a tie there between Hebrew, French, Russian and English. They need to face reality, liquidate their property and get themselves to a real democracy (and I would only recommend Israel, Canada, Australia or the USA) as soon as they can.

As a community, they really don't understand the magnitude of the potential danger.

OT

THere is a story about a principal that read this poem on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving over the intercome.
(pssst- it "offended" some people!)
Oh, yeah, and it was a HIGH SCHOOL- Not an elementary school!

Now I sit me down in school
Where praying is against the rule
For this great nation under God
Finds mention of Him very odd.

If Scripture now the class recites,
It violates the Bill of Rights.
And anytime my head I bow
Becomes a Federal matter now.

Our hair can be purple, orange or green,
That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.
The law is specific, the law is precise.
Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.

For praying in a public hall
Might offend someone with no faith at all.
In silence alone we must meditate,
God's name is prohibited by the state.

We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.
They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
To quote the Good Book makes me liable.

We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.
It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong,
We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.

We can get our condoms and birth controls,
Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.
But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
No word of God must reach this crowd.

It's scary here I must confess,
When chaos reigns the school's a mess.
So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
Should I be shot; My soul please take!
Amen

The story

WriterMom, it's often difficult to accurately assess a situation while you're in it. Also, people become desensitized. I know because I see it when I go back to South Africa. I'm a nervous wreck and everyone else is just cool. Human beings can adapt to anything, it seems. I hope that the French Jews do get out before it's too late but having said that, I deeply resent the fact that the Jews are always the ones being forced to schlep around.

Question the mainstream P.C. Establishment Authority!

Don't be part of the P.C. Establishment

Think for yourself dont be a slave to the P.C. mainstream media establishment!

Open Your Mind and think for Yourself!

Be a Conservative Thinker - Question Authority!

#187 zulubaby

Yes, I understand-certain things just become the "norm", like French Jews wearing baseball caps instead of kippas, and in South Africa-guard fences and dogs, and I've even read recently about cars that supposedly prevent car-jackings by having flames spout out of some hubcap device.

Yet-when I hear my SA friends talk about how they never went to a park growing up-or rode a public bus, it is a shocking reminder. The Jews have been forced to wander and leave fortunes, but better to have our lives and to bring children into the world in safer countries than cling to the faint hope of things getting better in antisemitic environments.

WriterMom #185,

As a community, they really don't understand the magnitude of the potential danger.

Many of them do understand the magnitude of the danger. French Jewish radio broadcasts are helpful in highlighting the issue. When I was in France, many of the Jews I met there were clearly worried about their situation. The issue is not understanding the magnitude of the danger - for many of them, it's very hard to imagine leaving, as it was previously for Jews in Germany. This includes cousins of mine, BTW. One is in the US, currently getting her LLM from Georgetown; her mom hopes she'll stay in the US, as do I. But her mom won't leave France, at least not permanently, since she still receives a pension there and her medicine, which she needs to live, for free. Many of them understand the danger; it is hard to leave the place that you live and were brought up in. People consider France their home.

#71- I agree with the others...

Have your friend and everyone you know read The Third Terrorist by Jayna Davis. This is the most important book of the year.

Sorry if this picture has been posted before, but it needs to be shown.

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OT and sad: FDNY firefighter who had responded to WTC attack dies as National Guardsman in Iraq.

Another New York firefighter, Daniel J. Swift, 24, was riding in the same vehicle and suffered shrapnel wounds, Bloomberg said. Swift was in Germany for treatment and was expected to recover.

Both Engeldrum and Swift spent months digging through the rubble of the World Trade Center after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

Engeldrum was a five-year fire veteran who previously served as a police officer. He was on active duty in the Army from 1986 to 1991.

"He was a great fireman," fire Lt. Brian Horton said at the Bronx firehouse where Engeldrum served. "He was 100 percent soldier. He loved his country, and he loved being a fireman. He was a lucky man -- he got to do what he loved."

Engeldrum is survived by a wife and two sons.

OT
Ukraine Parliament Votes to Sack Government

Ukraine's opposition scored a victory on Wednesday in its drive to overturn what it says was a rigged election, when parliament sacked the government of Prime Minister and president-designate Viktor Yanukovich.

Several hurdles remain before opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko can claim outright victory in a crisis that has threatened to tear apart the ex-Soviet state which sits between former master Russia and an expanded European Union.

Outside, tens of thousands of his supporters followed the debate through loudspeakers, cheering wildly at every procedural measure and embracing as the outcome was announced.

#192 Ariel

I understand what you are saying and I also believe that there are parallels to eastern Europe. But even in the examples that you have mentioned-the mother is thinking about her pension and her medicines that she gets for free. If those were the main concerns then she should be seriously considering Israel where there is socialized medicine, too.

Of course it's hard to leave the place you know as home. But it's better than being threatened or worse-and we all know what worse means. When Jews are under existential threats-and I believe in France-the Muslim capital of Europe-then financial, and sentimental concerns simply have to take the backseat.

My in-laws arrived in Israel from Iran with the clothes on their backs. All their kids got married, bought apartments, and have their own children. My grandmother arrived in Canada from Poland with a suitcase.

There's a new Muslim voice in America. It's called Bridges and it's a cable TV network debuting today that promises to present positive images of Muslims to Muslims in the U.S.. Understandably, the emphasis will be on "lifestyle" issues, not political ones.

If I were a Muslim, this is the face of my religion I would prefer to see. These rose-coloured glasses enable one to ignore--and thus confront--some of Islam's uglier realities.

Iron Fist (#195),

he can think of it as a reward.

No doubt.

Ya think muslim Israeli's petition for the death penalty?

WriterMom #199,

Agreed. And my grandfather showed up here with little more than that. My mother went to France and then Israel as a refugee. But just because that is true, doesn't make it easier to leave before the war starts, before one is made a refugee. FWIW, I agree that my relatives should get out of there - I'm doing my best to build a financial base to be able to get them over here. But that may take too long - maybe I'm being unrealistic too. I am trying to convince them to leave when I go over there - but it is not as easy as we would like to think.

#194 - great picture

And not an AK-47 in sight.

Protestors denouncing US: Guns and grenades galore
Protestors calling for US help: smiles

#200 scaramouche

Here's some examples of the great muslim lifestyle.

How to put on a shoe

Sahih Bukari, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 747:
Quote:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "If you want to put on your shoes, put on the right shoe first; and if you want to take them off, take the left one first. Let the right shoe be the first to be put on and the last to be taken off."

How to piss

Sahih Bukari, Volume 1, Book 4, Number 239:
Quote:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "We (Muslims) are the last (people to come in the world) but (will be) the foremost (on the Day of Resurrection)." The same narrator told that the Prophet had said, "You should not pass urine in stagnant water which is not flowing then (you may need to) wash in it."

How to blow your nose

Sahih Bukari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516:
Quote:
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night."

Oh i wish we has such a great channel come to the UK.

#198 Iron Fist

You're funny! You might want the toy-but not the "root causes". The crime situation in SA is really something, but as zulubaby says-people just try to adjust.

#202 Ariel

It's not easy at all. Recently, my father-who is a doctor-has met a lot of French Jewish physicians who just couldn't take it anymore and have come to Canada with their families. They have described a really horrific scene, frankly. Do what you can to help them out-emotionally and otherwise. It's a mitzvah.

#86 IDFDave

That dummy's head looks nothing like Bush, it actually looks more like Dan Rather.

Dang, these guys are artistically challenged.
Dopes

And this guy is from the Raelian cloning community.

Now back to the freakin' French spoiled brats.

Picture the war stories that this helicopter crew will be able to tell, perhaps 20 years from now in a Paris Café, sipping coffee amid the pleasant percolations of the hookah….

Arsene: Yes, that was a bit of a nasty one – a couple hundred Zambele warriors armed to the teeth with kiwi fruit and guava halves. After the battle, instead of taking prisoners, we simply made a huge fruit salad.

Henry: By jingo, yes. We sure gave those pygmies a good squashing.

Arsene: We certainly did, sir. And do you remember...?

Henry: My god, yes. You saved my damn life that day, Arsene. If it weren't for you, that pygmy woman with the sharpened mango could have seriously...

(for a moment the two perhaps feel a slight pang of guilt)

Arsene: It was a viciously sharp slice of mango, wasn't it, sir?...

/Blackadder rip off

#56 Mr. Pol - thanks for that explanation (see my #15 above) - still don't know why the UN isn't involved some how.

Impossible! Jamais! Lies from les Americains!

We fwench, we are too sophisticated (e.g. narcissistic) to make mistakes!

This is just too precious! Ze sophisticated fwench are shocked! Shocked!

“Al-Manar” stirs uproar in France
after accusing Israel of spreading AIDS

Or Heler, Paris (Ma'ariv)

Less than ten days after Hezbollah’s “al-Manar” television station was permitted to broadcast in France, one of its commentators has stirred uproar after he accused Israel of “repeated attempts in the past several years to spread AIDS throughout the Arab world”.

The commentator, who was defined as an expert on the “Zionist entity”, described at length how Israel has been trying to spread dangerous diseases, including AIDS, in the Arab world.

The French regulatory body, which granted “al-Manar” permission to broadcast in the country, announced on Tuesday it would demand the French parliament to immediately cease its transmissions... (MORE)

http://www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=art icle&articleID=11878

I thought it was somewhat ironic to read about the tragedy in Ivory Coast, where the French are involved in fighting against the government there. The French are involved in a war there, have wiped out the Ivory Coast's Air Force, and have been engaged in other fighting. They may have been provoked, but they did decide to fight back.

Hmmm, is there a coalition? There are U.N. Peacekeepers, but I'm not sure that qualifies as a coalition.

After all that the French have said about our involvement in the Middle East, it's ironic to see them involved in their own small war. But maybe they are being consistent, since apparently they are backing the Muslim rebels against the non-Muslim government, and France has a large Muslim population itself.

Are there protestors anywhere shouting "No blood for cocoa?"