Yet, he's still driving a cab.

Did anyone check the trunk for explosives?

so like..why doesn't he, like, go live over there? Never ceases to amaze me how these people love to trash us but then they live here too.

That's funny, because I met some Arab muslim cab drivers in Manhattan who would beat his ass.

Wonder what this guy thinks of the Black Muslims with their "kill whitey" nonsense?

In other words,"I'm a terrorist first, I just live in this country." If I could find a bumper sticker that said AGAINST ALL MUSLIMS, I'd put it on my car. ' Screw Muslims' would suffice.

Becoming a Muslim is surprisingly easy. All you need to do is take shahada — say, La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadur rasoolu Allah ("There is no true God but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God") in front of a Muslim witness (or, according to some people, two witnesses) and, bingo, you’re a Muslim.

That's like sooo deep dude.

That done, you are required to pray five times a day, donate a certain amount of money to charity, fast between sunrise and sunset during the month of Ramadan, and, health and finances permitting, make at least one haj, or pilgrimage, to Mecca during your lifetime.

And the jihad part?

So does Islam view whites the same way it views blacks? Does he agree with Islam's view of blacks and Jews?

Iron Fist

What say you and I hunt this guy down, implant him with a GPS chip, fly him to Fallujah and give the GPS tracker to the MEF ?

Eh ? sound like a plan ?

Islam=Cancer

Becoming a Muslim is surprisingly easy. All you need to do is take shahada — say, La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadur rasoolu Allah ("There is no true God but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God") in front of a Muslim witness (or, according to some people, two witnesses) and, bingo, you’re a Muslim.

They play bingo?

Take up a collection, give him a oneway ticket to become a jihadist in Iraq. I don't think the marines mind one more jihadist there.

Shoot, just ties his hands up, slap some duct tape over his mouth, tape a confederate flag to his back, and drop him off down in Compton. Problem solved.

What. The. Fuck.

I think we should make him the bumper sticker he wants so badly. And then we'll se how the fellow NY cabbies respond. He would wake up in an alley with no teeth, both arms broken, and surrounded by cops who really couldn't care less.

And how does one put a stop to a growing cancer… REMOVE IT.  

Bumper sticker idea:

END RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY

SAY NO TO ISLAM

It a variation on a much more offensive idea I had. I'd post it here, but I don't want to feed the moonbats.

#11 Titus

Bingo ? yeah yeah

It's a rigged game.

Their way of collecting "Tribute" from infidel little old ladies and infidel little old men.

Well, Mr. White Muslim, why aren't you parking your ass in front of bulldozers in Israel, then? Or fighting Marines in Iraq?

Is it, perhaps, because you know you'd go to meet Allah in hell pretty damn fast? Or because you might end up in jail like Taliban Johnny?

Or like Lori Bereson? From today's Best of the Web:

Here's some good news from the Latin American front in the war on terror: The Associated Press reports that the Inter-American Court of Human Rights has upheld the conviction of Lori Berenson, a New York woman who collaborated with Túpac Amaru, a communist terror group in Peru, in a planned attack on the Peruvian Congress. (For more background, see this 2000 column by Tunku Varadarajan.) Berenson isn't scheduled to be released until 2015.

Here's a link to Varadarajan's 2000 column. The really interesting thing is clicking on the reader responses to Varadarajan's justly harsh words about this murderous moonbat. A bunch of LLL's calling him "cruel" for saying Bereson had it coming.

This guy is as creepy as it gets.

I think we should chip in for a ticket so this guy can live in the trenches of Afghanistan where he would eat mice and play little physical games with his trenchmates there.

Somehow I don't think he could defend himself well from other Muslims.

He might enjoy eating mice, though.

#18 Havoc

Why don't they just play Bombo instead?

OT:

I don't know if I'm the first to post this but:

After numerous missings and pediophiles,

Fox's G.V.S. FINALLY hit paydirt with the 24 year old Harley chick teacher, and her 14 year old condom craving lover.

Cha-ching...and the ambulance rolls on... ;-)

Syrian sheik Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi,
who bears an uncanny resemblance to Vincent, sermonizes at the 96th St. Mosque: “What justifies us living in America, other than to convey the Message?"

And my blood runs cold. We're watching what's happening in Europe and what are we doing to prevent it from happening here?

This guy sounds like he was really lost. Islam has given him purpose. For a long time now I've been trying to figure out what it is that attracts people to Islam. I think that someone who is lost and empty is the perfect candidate. A couple La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadur rasoolu Allah and you're in. If his story isn't proof that Islam is a cult then I don't know what is.

I wonder if he has this hanging on the wall in the apartment. I'd keep an eye on him.

These people are the weakest of the weak. They suffer from a form of religious "Stockholm Syndrome" and don't even know it.

#25 Myoclonic Jerk

These people are the weakest of the weak. They suffer from a form of religious "Stockholm Syndrome" and don't even know it.

Very true. Islam picks off the weak and simple minded, swallowing them whole.

The world is full of idiots. There are converts to anything. If I open a new cult tomorrow there's going to be some converts. So I say to this poor idiot: "You wanna jihad?" "Go jihad yourself" and please, please, put that bumpersticker against the troops on your cab in NYC - and I'd love to see what happens to your sorry a@@.

Charles, where did "deer hunting without an accordion" come from? LOL!

What is the 'Stockholm Syndrome?
In 1973, four Swedes held in a bank vault for six days during a robbery became attached to their captors, a phenomenon dubbed the Stockholm Syndrome. According to psychologists, the abused bond to their abusers as a means to endure violence.

more . . .

From the article - "...breaking his Ramadan fast (not very observant, is he?) in a harshly lit fast-food restaurant (mickey D's? or {horrors}, a jewish deli?)a few blocks from the 96th Street mosque(where the REAL head cutters were gathered). "The last religion I wanted to belong to was Islam. (No, idiot, the last religion you want to belong to is the Raelians, or maybe Jim Jones' cult) The last word that came out of my mouth was Allah (It will be "Oh, Shit" when people catch on that you are a poser) . Islam pulled me out of the biggest hole I’ve ever been in."(Wrong. You just stepped into the biggest hole you've ever been in)

What the Hell IS it with these white boys form Californcateistan?

Mcgyver, out

AMERICA love it or leave it!

never though i would say that but that scum should leave

Well, white leftie Jihadi-cab driver should put his money where his mouth is and move to an Islamic country.

If I ever ride in his cab, I am sooo peeing in his back seat.

TQC #11,

They play bingo?

The winner's prize is not becoming a Muslim.

OT - History Channel-Saddams Tortures- on now!

"Islam is a way of life. The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, taught us everything up to how to go to the bathroom. Even when you go to the bathroom, how to go in, how to go out, how to sit, how to wash, how to take a shower. [He taught us] how to eat, how to start your food, how to treat your wife, how to treat your children, how to wake up in the morning, how to put your slippers on, how to put clothes on, how to take clothes off, what to eat, what not to eat

I think most normal people would be able to handle those things on their own.

#15 strictnein 12/2/2004 07:54PM PST
I think we should make him the bumper sticker he wants so badly. And then we'll se how the fellow NY cabbies respond. He would wake up in an alley with no teeth, both arms broken, and surrounded by cops who really couldn't care less.

***
I really want him to have that bumper sticker, would not want him to mistakenly get paid cabfare by warmongers would we? Let him support himself on Muslim fares or lacking that Zakat.

Since when are there white cabbies in NYC?

While it might seem perfectly reasonable to require valid forms of identification, huge numbers of the city's immigrants earn their living as our taxi drivers and delivery men, relying upon cars to maintain their jobs. Of these immigrants, 300,000 are likely to lose their licenses. And those who are caught with invalid identification will not only lose their licenses and their cars, but will be arrested and very likely deported.

Since that. I say bring back Haji with the beaded seat cushion. He wasn't as scary as Jihadi Jones.

#33 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs

You stole my idea!

I tell you what. You piss in the backseat and I'll piss on the bills we pay him. I'll even pay for the whole ride!

What happened to good, old fashioned nutjob cults like the Raeliansor the Rainbow Family?

I think it was Trio (Treason) channel that did a story on a Texas fatass whitey that lived with two burka chicks and switched to The Death Cult. It/he/they were pathetic. Typical lameass leftist lunatics.

My apologies to lunatics everywhere.

A sociable loner...

What? Who writes this crap?

"All we had to do was look out our door to see the World Trade Center, all the smoke," Vincent said...And he gave me the scenarios of how Islam was going to be the victim of this all.

Yeah, that's what happened on 9-11. Islam was victimized.

...to become Muslim is simply to return to one’s natural state.

Right. I read Lord of the Flies, too.

talk is cheap.

If he "found" himself in Iraq. How do you "find" yourself anywhere? I plan, prepare and travel to get to distant destinations, or maybe I'm freakin' crazy that way.

This is the background story of a future battleground casualty, if he ever grows a pair and acts on his islamurderous inclinations.

Ingrate.

Now Now Mr. Fist ... calm down ... he's most likely some jerk meat dumbass that want's to be sooo counter culture... first time he hears an RPG go off ... after shittin his pants ... he's jihad'n his ass outa there ...
I hear buddhism is cool ...

#33 Free Speech...

Like everyone doesn'd whiz in the back seat?

Typical lost soul latches onto a package of divinely revealed "answers".

Problem solved.

Pathetic.

28 Zulubaby

Maybe the deer hunting and accordians thing is about the Yoopers song "The Second Week of Deercamp..." its a hillbilly hunting playing cards getting drunk accordian song from the Upper Penninsula's version of the Grateful Dead.

“I’m a Muslim first, and I just live in this country.”

The second part of that sentence should be taken care of immediately.

I don't know what is going on with "travel".

Charles! I'm not doing this!

if you don't want to keep him in Ca. send him to Iran. He can cross the border into Iraq on his own then the marines can introduce him to allah without pending lawsuits.

I'm impressed by the speed and the thouroughness of the brainwashing. Even the Commies weren't that good.

do the same thing from new york, all you blue states look the same to us ignorant ones.

Only slightly off-topic:

European Muslims Joining Iraqi Rebels (Pakistan Daily Times)

This jerk just makes me so mad! I don't care what anybody says this is taking mulitculturalism too far. People like this have no right to live in this country. Some punk from California enjoying the freedoms that citizenship brings talking this trash while my and other fathers sons and daughters are serving in the military fighting this scum should be deported immediately!

Iron Fist - check AdvCru for an response to your previous comment on the other thread.

Mcgyver, out

(You're not that far away, think there's a chance to get a LGF get-to-gether happenin?)

Day by Day is Back!

Chris Muir took some time off for personal reasons but his on point, on topic, _conservative_ comic is back and as good as ever.

From the FAQ:
Why did you start Day by Day?
I was tired of the MSM force-feeding us PC dreck

One of his first strips back talks about "pajamahdeen".

[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

Worth the look, Lizards.

QM

#36-
Are you saying that they're pissed off at us for having invented toilet paper?

Mr Pol, there was no brainwashing required. If you read what his life was like before his "conversion", there was nothing there -- a vacuum waiting to be filled.

OT: Sorry, but Real Clear Politics has a good article by David Frum from the National Review worth reading on Bush's triumphant trip to Canada:

From 'David Frum's Diary: Dec. 2, 2004: Triumph'

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

#60 zulubaby

Call it programming, then... I'm still impressed.

How come all these assholes want to destroy america (and the west) but they all want to move here? Doesn't the light come on at one point and they realize the contradiction and how f..ked up they are?

Do like Buddy Whatsisface (the "American Taliban") and move to Pakistan or one of the 'stan places and quit breaking our balls. Go live in a hut, beat your wife, marry your 9 year old cousin and blame Israel for your fucking 7th century lifestyle.

And wipe your ass with your left hand, don't forget.

(Back from playing hockey, the adrenalin is still there. Gimme another wobbly pop!)

If only this reporter had shared Jesus with him. Then again, maybe it's not too late...

This story shows clearly why Congress needs to DECLARE this war; then there would be a legal basis to reduce the domestic holes in our security like this one.

#55 good. Feed'em into the meat grinder.

So why is he still here? I would gladly contribute to a one way ticket to Muslim land for him.

No way would this big mouth pansy a** drive around NY with a sticker saying 'against the troops' on his cab. He wouln't last long.

#28

zulubaby, going "deer hunting without an accordian" is like going to war without the Fwench.

Often attributed to Rummy, it was actually said by Jed Babbin.

#52 Mr Pol

I read an article full of John Walker Lind's internet ravings from when he was a teen ager.

The Muslims didn't brainwash him. He hated America/Americans (and even white people - of which he was one) before hand. He went searching for the Muslims because he wanted to find others who shared his hatred... That's not brainwashing.

Actually the details are wierd beyond wierd. When he was a kid, JWL's on-line personality was a 2%er I think their called.

The "Black Muslim Church" was a cult that had nothing to do with actual Islam for years. Allija Mahommad made up this wierd fantacy about white people being demons created by an ancient african wizard and "grafted on" to the human race. Apparently the only purpose of white folks is to torment the good Black people.

You might note no similarity between this madness and the actual Mahammad's madness.

Anyway when AM was dying he admitted that he made the whole thing up, and told his followers that they were now ready for real Islam...

Anyway the 2%ers are the black racists who refused to switch from AM's weird delusion over to Islam. They pose as Black nationalist revolutionaries have their own lingo and apparently John Walker Lind thought they sounded so cool that he he spent his adolecense pretending to be a middle aged 2%er teaching the youngers to "keep it real".

But of course he couldn't live his real life as a black racist (being white and all), so after he graduated and couldn't spend his life on the internet, he joined Al Qa'eda.

Apparently even the AQ regulars thought he was a wierdo.

Or was that 5%ers?

Powderfinger, wonderful, thank you :-)

I got an idea for easing the NHL hockey strike:

Let's find a muslim hockey team, and have them play a NYC hockey team. Junior AAA or American league. You know. The bad ones.

Let'em play in the Gardens. Or whatever. Betcha tickets would sell. An encore in Philadelphia maybe, and New Jersey.

Who here, has not seen "Slapshot"? (with Paul Newman).

Abfokinsolutely required of every Canadian male of my generation.

When I was young and stupid I thought studying Islam was cool. But when faced with the ignorance, hatred, and lack of respect that the religion generates without any accountability. I now see it as a danger. I still like sufism. But am trying to think of ways to contribute to counter the spread of islam .

I live in a pretty liberal area. I went for lunch two days ago at a food court. I sat down next to three men who looked liked they were from East Africa. One of them looked at me strangely, then the next one also made me unwelcome looks. Next thing they were all speaking a foreign language. I could hear the word "hezbollah" repeated several time. So, Unless my listening skills are bad. Here are three immigrants to America talking up the good side of terrorizing Israel. I don't need it.

In the first gulf war I was working with a nice guy from Ethiopia here making life better for his family. When the shooting in Baghdad started he was noticeably distressed. And his spirits seemed to pick up when the MSM was bad on the GI's. He was a guy who grew up in a Soviet educational system and was full of conspiracy theories.

But one does wonder why they are here then. His dream was to make a lot of money and move back.

I remeber when Joe Lieberman was a vice presidential candidate and he was asked about his religion. I think he replied "I'm an AMERICAN who happens to be Jewish." Not the other way around. Thats what's different about our country. I have an immense dislike for people like this cabbie that see it the other way around.

Becoming a Muslim is surprisingly easy. All you need to do is take shahada — say, La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadur rasoolu Allah ("There is no true God but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God") in front of a Muslim witness (or, according to some people, two witnesses) and, bingo, you’re a Muslim.

Becoming a Muslim is surprisingly easy. All you need to do is stand at night in front of the mirror, and say "La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadur rasoolu Allah" five times.

leese

I both agree and disagree with you. I am a Christian before I am a woman, a mother, or an American. The differnce is that as a Christian, I would not want to live in an Islamic State. I would, however be perfectly comfortable living in Israel, would respect their religion, culture, and take up arms to defend them. I would do this because I know they have their traditions and beliefs, yet they do not ridicule or disrespect mine. This is where these guys don't get it. If you want to live in America, and your wife wants to wear a tent- so be it- but you live in America- In Amercia women are free, if you don't respect that- then go. Like I said, I can respect Israel, its heritage, laws, and culture- and if I didn't I wouldn't live there. It's that simple. He is free to leave if he does not respect our culture. Simple as that.

Does the cabbie job come with the religion or the religion comes to the cabbies?

Its one of those chicken/egg things, eh.

It sounds like the California White Boy did not find a cult before he found "Islam".

#77

Wooops! Sorry leesus- I didn't mean to Disrespect you- honestly, I am sorry for getting your nic wrong!

*looking sheepish and begging foregivness*

Zulubaby

I believe the original quote was something like "Going to war without the French at our side is like going deer hunting without an accordion".

I think a retired general said it.

I'm sure that many, maybe even most foreign born Muslims in this country really did come here for a better way of life, and are basically "Cultural Muslims", follow a few of the traditions (I know quite a few "Cultural Catholics") without really being very strict about following the religion.

But those that converted (I especially wonder about the Jewish man briefly mentioned who converted, although I strongly suspect he was a "Cultural Jew", must really have a serious issue with his family) are almost by definition true believers, and being a devoted follower of Islam is a dangerous thing.

BTW

OT

I DARE YOU!

#36 Megan

I think most normal people would be able to handle those things on their own.

You forget who we're dealing with.

#77 eeevil conservative

Well Christians can get away with saying that they're Christians first because no one is going to accuse them of putting Israel before America, as they would a Jew who put his religion first or accuse them of supporting terrorism the way they would if they were Muslims. I remember reading that people used to accuse Catholic Americans of being unpatriotic by putting the Pope first.

Joshua

Too elaborate on the point I think Eevil C made, I would have no problem saying I am Christian and American. There is no implied disloyalty in saying that.

Now, if the Pope issued a Papal Bull that says America is evil and needs to be replaced with a Papist State, and I happened to agree, it might be different.

Pat Buchanan and a few other ignoramuses may disagree, but if Joe Lieberman said he was Jewish and American instead of the other way around, I would not question his loyalty.

83 Joshua

You have a great point- that's kinda what I am saying. Putting the pope above nationality is a little dofferent- the Pope is NOT GOD. The Pope is not a religion- he is just a spokesperson. I may put my religion above my nationality- But I don't put any Pastors above my nationality. ODes that make sense?

You're right- it is easy for me.

Thanks Ed-- Very well put!

this guy is a fucking animal. if he's not happy he should get the fuck out of our country and go to saudi arabia or some other islamic shithole

i'm an american and a christian. i'm american first! if it wasn't for this country i wouldn't even be born as my parents would never have met!

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA!

Fears about disloyal Catholics and Jews is simple prejudice.

The Jews, as far as I know, don't have a single organized body that has authority over the faithful, and the Pope, although he has a fair amount of influence on devout Catholic leaders of all nations, hasn't been calling for any modern day Crusades.

Now, if I'm not mistaken, the Monarch of England is the Titular Head of the Anglican Communion, is she not? ( I know the Archbishop of Canterbury is the senior cleric, but I thought the Queen is at least the ceremonial head of the Church).

But nobody freaks out about Episcopalian politicians, do they.

Simple prejudice.

87 helloworld

LOL! Tell us how you REALLY feel!

LOL!

You don't need to search cabs to find people who hate America.

They're on your TV every night:

“Okay, time to do morning papers...Stars and Stripes starts it off: ‘U.S. Troops Control Most of Fallujah,’ the headline. ‘U.S. Officials Believe Most Insurgents Have Fled the City.’ Look at this picture here, if you can. ‘Troops’ Bravery Honored in Iraq.’ These are all Purple Heart winners. Some day, one of them will run for President and someone will say they didn’t earn the Purple Heart. Welcome to America.”

– CNN’s Aaron Brown on the November 10 NewsNight displaying a front-page photo of a line of U.S. troops in Iraq receiving their medals.

Gee Aaron not still bitter are we?

90 Geepers

Gee Aaron not still bitter are we?

ROFLLL!

THAT'S HILARIOUS!

The Pope doesn't have a Navy or Air Force, just some Swiss Guards in gaudy costumes (although I understand they are actually well armed, but only in a Secret Service kind of way).

I don't know if they've changed it in the almost 20 years since I've been on Rimpac, but they called ships in the Canadian Navy "HMCS" (Her Majesty's Canadian Ship) plus whatever the ship was named, and the called the Oliver Hazard Perry class light guided missile frigates the Australians had were called "HMAS", or "Her Majesty's Australian Navy".

So maybe we should fear Episcopalian politicians. The head of their religion is the the Queen of a country that has fought two wars against the US, and she has a Navy right on our northern border

/black helicopter mode

Leave it to some dumb-bunny westerner to abandon a good thing and embrace the worst of another culture.

We have a round, angry looking caucasian Muslim around our neighborhood. He's welcome to his beleif, but I hope he resists the urge to mischeif.

An essay of my thoughts about the Muslims in my 'hood

My Muslim Neighbors

Tim McNabb
fivehundredwords.com

Hmmm. I consider myself Southern first.

It was Friday prayers, the Islamic Sabbath. One Muslim among many, Vincent found a place on the vast carpeted floor of the main prayer room, and was soon swallowed up by the crowd. Topped by a dome, the mosque feels light and airy and comfortable, like the world’s biggest yoga studio. There is an upstairs balcony for the "sisters," a mihrab — a kind of understated altar — and a minbar

Maybe I've had Islam all wrong.

eeevil conservative (#91),

He's so patronizing. He needs to have his nose rubbed in it every day.

I believe that the appeal of Islam for idiots like this guy is that it allows loser White males a hip, exotic and relatively socially acceptable way to indulge sociopathic, anti-Semitic, and misogynistic behavior under the guise of a "religion." Had circumstances been somewhat different, I can see Mr. Vincent using neo-Naziism or the KKK to fill his empy mind and soul, and give him scapegoats for his unfocused rage and alienation.

Then again, if he'd gone the White Power route, hipster publications like the LA Weekly wouldn't be fawning over him, trying to "understand" his pathology.

Folks, this just in:

French PM Jean-Pierre Raffarin Calls for Ban on Al-Manar TV (AFP)

#94 SwampWoman

Hmmm. I consider myself Southern first.

Now, that was all a looong time ago, darlin'. ;-)

North or South, these days red states rule.

/wondering if we're fixin to do that again

#74, #75

When I was in college (nearly 20 years ago now), I lost a friend to a cult in town. A 'christian' cult - he could no longer have anything to do with the rest of us, since we weren't in his church - and the same happened to anyone who joined that group. After college, I was involved for a time in Operation Rescue, which had among its supporters certain groups of Christians who believed so firmly in being 'not of this world' and being 'not subject to the laws of man' that they cancelled their Social Security Numbers, only took jobs that paid under the table, and in general attempted to live in all ways as if they were not citizens of the United States...because they believed themselves to be *solely* citizens of Heaven.

It isn't just the Muslims. But - at least when it's Christians they don't usually believe in killing people. (Unless they're abortion providers - sigh - I knew Shelly Shannon, one of the women who did that. Or thought I knew her.)

However, whenever we see something like that, it ought to be throwing up red flags, sirens, and hazard flashing lights:

* Cults must separate their people from anyone else who thinks differently, because heterogenous thought is a threat to their control.

* Cults must make sure their people think nothing, see nothing, hear nothing, but what is approved.

* Cults must have a charismatic leader (or two, or many) whose word is law.

* Cults, above all, call their members to lay down their lives if necessary, for the faith.

In exchange, they give purpose, true purpose. Guidance, ritual, tradition, and most of all, belonging. Free-thinking society, unfortunately, gives none of these things. To any of us. We must find as we can. Some of us can, some wander around meaningless, some find purpose in more tolerant religions or faith systems, and some...wind up like this man.

Lovely Jane Fonda and Donald Sutherland had a different venue to protest the Vietnam War. They had a show called FTA, or Fuck the Army, which traveled around the US playing near the bases.

In the show, they advocated either deserting from the military or shooting your CO in the back while out on manuevers. They made a film, FTA, which was released during that time. That film is still being shown overseas, last I heard, it was a rousing hit in Fallujah. Jane was a member of the VVAW as was Kerry. This guy is no different than the same old tired protestors of the sixties. He has no clue, he has no perspective, so come on, buddy, put your money where you mouth is, buy a one way ticket to Iraq and help your fellow Muslims out. They need fresh heads.

#73 hazzyday "His dream was to make a lot of money and move back."

Yea. That was the case with a Muslim I once knew in London. They are conflicted. Their own culture comes first, but they are attracted by the opportunities, and in some cases, the freedoms of the West.

The guy I knew wasn't super devout because he smoked, drank alcohol, and dressed almost like an Englishman (and seemed like a pretty decent guy) but he really just wanted to learn how to make a lot of money as an investment banker and then return to help Bangladesh.

Looking back now I wonder if he was involved with anything. The "CFO" of Al Qaida learned his finance stuff at the same University we were attending and there were certainly a lot of other Muslims about, but that wasn't exactly my crowd.

i grew up just down the road from torrance, calif...

recognize this guy -

classic SoCal PUNKBAT

whose only lodestar is magnetic south

(beats thinking . . . lost too many brain cells at lollapalooza)

That done, you are required to pray five times a day, donate a certain amount of money to charity, fast between sunrise and sunset during the month of Ramadan, and, health and finances permitting, make at least one haj, or pilgrimage, to Mecca during your lifetime. And the jihad part?

That done, you are required to pray five times a day, donate a certain amount of money to charity, fast between sunrise and sunset during the month of Ramadan, and, health and finances permitting, make at least one haj, or pilgrimage, to Mecca during your lifetime.

And the jihad part?

Don't forget the butt-and-private-parts shaving and hijaanb bits!

Never mind this one silly cracker, did you guys catch this?

According to the ISCA, the majority of mosques in the United States have been taken over by radicals who preach the dour, restrictive version of Wahhabi Islam financed and championed by Saudi Arabia.

Great.

Someone make a bumper sticker and send it to him,

Maybe he will get no customers.

OT:

LONDON (Reuters) - A Father Christmas will have a webcam in his grotto to overcome parents' concerns after a number of high-profile paedophile cases in the past few years.
The St Elli shopping centre in Llanelli, south Wales, said children taking part in the traditional Christmas ritual of telling Santa their gift wishes would also sit beside him rather than on his knee.
"It's a sad sign of the times," St Elli manager Gilmour Jones was quoted as saying by the Guardian on Friday.
"But I'm afraid that it was either this or not having Santa's grotto at all."

mich again

You mean this:

[Link: www.dayoopers.com...]

I am a born and bred yooper -

A disturbing article...hopefully this guy is a relatively isolated nutjob. Hopefully also I never have him as my cabbie.

NB that the mosque on 96th street where he worships every morning is a huge building erected within the last 20 years or so with SAUDI funds...

Muledriver, as I said, we're watching Europe turn into Eurabia but what are we doing about preventing it from happening here?

A rare look at secretive Brotherhood in America

In Search Of Friends Among The Foes

Or do a Google search for "Muslim Brotherhood"

oh MY GOD!

OT but very important:
[Link: www.ekklesia.co.uk...]

Buttiglione confims plans to set up Christian coalition in Europe -2/12/04

Rocco Buttiglione, the Italian politician who was forced to withdraw as a candidate for EU commissioner, has confirmed to the BBC that he plans to set up a Christian coalition in Europe.

sorry if this has been posted before

#88

The Anglican Church in the UK and the Anglican Church in the colonies (now called Episcopalian) separated after the War for Independence. I think Archbishop Griswold runs the thing in the US, and he doesn't get his marching orders from HM the Queen so there is no crossed loyalty issue that I am aware of.

Former chief rabbi Yisrael Lau says Israel must prepare for absorption of millions of European Jews

Thank G-d this time the Jews have somewhere to go.

Thanks for those links, zulubaby. Especially the WashPost one. (The Chicago Tribune link requires registration to read.)

Some federal agents worry that the Muslim Brotherhood has dangerous links to terrorism. But some U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials believe its influence offers an opportunity for political engagement that could help isolate violent jihadists.

An opportunity? Yeah, right. The people who believe that need to go back to school on the Muslims.

The Brotherhood -- or al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun, as it is known in Arabic -- is a sprawling and secretive society with followers in more than 70 countries. It is dedicated to creating an Islamic civilization that harks back to the caliphates of the 7th and 8th centuries, one that would segregate women from public life and scorn nonbelievers.

Okee-dokee. Let's not miss this INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY to open a dialog with these scumbags!

Anyone in the US State Dept. or intelligence agencies who wants "political engagement" with "The Brotherhood" should be FIRED immediately!

rtheyserius, you should read that article if you can. Google the title, that sometimes brings up a link that doesn't require registration.

Historically speaking, it wasn't just "simple prejudice" that made Protestants leery of electing Roman Catholics, tho to be fair, that was involved, too.

Mostly, it was their awareness that the popes had had, for centuries, a history of meddling in the affairs of princes and nations. Highly political, often coming from noble families themselves (the Borgias, anyone?), and not hesitating to wield the very power of eternal damnation--excommunication--over anyone who dared defy them.

And they did burn a whole bunch of Protestants at the stake, and Jews as well.

These things were in living memory when the English settlers came to the new world, both Anglicans and Puritans. The latter, especially, came for religious freedom.

So they regarded the establishment of Catholicism, so newly routed from Mother England (and don't forget the ongoing wars with Catholic Spain and the horrors of the Inquisition) as a grave danger. That wariness was well founded in bloody clashes, always where the older, richer, more numerous church was persecuting the newer as heretical.

In sum, Protestants didn't want to elect politicians who would be under the sway of the popes.

History, context.

Brotherhood has grown in influence

The Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt more than seven decades ago, is among the most powerful political forces in the Islamic world today.

1928: The Muslim Brotherhood is formed in Egypt by Hassan al-Banna to promote a return to fundamental Islamic beliefs and practices and to fight Western colonialism in the Islamic world.

Late 1930s: The Brotherhood starts forming affiliated chapters in Palestine, Lebanon and Syria.

1948: The Brotherhood is implicated in the assassination of Egyptian Prime Minister Mahmud Nuqrashi, who had banned the group. Al-Banna denies involvement.

1949: The Egyptian government retaliates for Nuqrashi's assassination by killing al-Banna.

1954: A Brotherhood member tries to assassinate Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser and fails. Nasser executes several of the group's leaders and incarcerates thousands of its followers.

1962: The Cultural Society is created as the first Brotherhood organization in the United States. Society members help establish numerous Islamic organizations, mosques and schools.

1966: Sayyid Qutb, a Brotherhood ideologue who urged Muslims to take up arms against non-Islamic governments, is executed by Nasser's regime.

1982: In Hamah, Syria, at least 10,000 people are killed by government troops suppressing an uprising by the Brotherhood.

1993: The Muslim American Society, initially based in Illinois and now in Virginia, is created to be a more public face of the Brotherhood in the U.S.

2001: The U.S. names Brotherhood member Youssef Nada and his Swissbased investment network, allegedly established with backing from the Brotherhood, as terrorist financiers. Nada denies any terrorist links.

2002: Tens of thousands of Brotherhood supporters fill the streets of Cairo during a funeral for group leader Mustafa Mashhour on Nov. 15.

2003: U.S. authorities investigating alleged terrorism funding describe Virginia businessman Soliman Biheiri as the Brotherhood's "financial toehold" in the U.S. Biheiri denies any terrorist links.

2004: The Egyptian government rounds up dozens of Brotherhood supporters, freezes members' assets and ousts one of its backers from parliament.

Google did it. Thanks, zulubaby

a key reason they have operated in secrecy: to create Muslim states overseas and, they hope, someday in America as well.

These people are like a virus. And here's the big danger of PC America: it doesn't realize it and, therefore, accomodates them.

Very disturbing.

#110 Good washington post article zulubaby.

"We will conquer Europe, we will conquer America, not through the sword but through dawah"

- Muslim Brotherhood Qatari Imam

No you won't.

-Garnier

This is our reward for retiring the charge of 'Treason'.

Oh, and if you were in the conversation (zulu, I'm looking in your direction) in the memri thread, I've responded, and I would hope you're ready to apologize (hershel)

rtheyserius, they're here, they've been here for decades, and their successes are small and steady. That article gave me sleepless nights. One more for you ... The Muslim Brotherhood, Nazis and Al-Qaeda

Garnier, you should read the other one too. If you get the registration site, Google the title, it will come up.

Here's what really gets me about this. My liberal friends have a naive self-confidence that, by welcoming these people, they will change, grow to appreciate us, adopt our culture and values, and become positive contributors to our country.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Our government agencies should have ZERO tolerance for this.

Condi Rice, CLEAN HOUSE!

#117 very good summary

and spot on about the vivid memories of the Fires of Smithfield among Puritan families who had relations burned alive under the persecutions of the Catholic Queen Mary.

Some of the New England Puritans' ancestors had been converted from Catholicism to Protestantism by John Foxe, the author of Foxe's Book of Martyrs which recounts the lives and deaths of the protestant martyrs in England, after hearing the reasons for the martyrs devotion to "purifying" England's church.

Many of the Hugenot families that came to settle the South fled France after surviving the horrific St. bartholomew's Day Massacre when it was open season on protestants after the revocation of the Edict of Nante.

rtheyserius (#125)

My liberal friends have a naive self-confidence that, by welcoming these people, they will change, grow to appreciate us, adopt our culture and values, and become positive contributors to our country.

You know, it is naive, but it's also arrogant.

#127 zulubaby

You're right.

I'm sorry, but did anyone catch this today? ---

Drudge has a link to the story about the 250 Iranians who gathered at a cemetary today to pledge their lives for jihad (this ain't news). What's news, is the very open way they are celebrating the 1983 bombing in Beruit! They were f#ucking taking credit for it -- flaunting it.

Rumsfeld said on the Factor today, that "The Iranians are making lots of mistakes"

got a great way of understating things doesn't he?

rtheyserius, once you start to explore Islam and begin to understand what it is and what it advocates, it's hard to keep up that naivety. I guess sometimes ignorance really is bliss.

G'night.

#129 Wallace

If Rumsfeld told me I was making lots of mistakes, I'd sit up and listen.

G'night zulubaby. Thanks again.

I'm signing off too.

OT,
Don't know whether this was posted before

Cartoon about the Paedophile

#131 Rayra

Good thinking. Not sure how, though. Maybe getting in touch with JihadWatch.com and/or preusing their links may yield something.

ROP:

Attacks kill 25 in Baghdad: Suicide bombers target Shiite mosque

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Four suicide bombers drove a minibus loaded with explosives into a northern Baghdad Shiite mosque early Friday, killing themselves and 14 civilians, many who had gathered for morning prayers, police said.

the world’s most newsworthy religion.

Haha. Great article - but scary as hell. This guy sounds like he's a day a away from being the next "American Taliban."

#2

so like..why doesn't he, like, go live over there? Never ceases to amaze me how these people love to trash us but then they live here too.

Does these people include America-trashers like the NYT, NBC, CBS, ABC, and the Dhimmies? If so, count me in on the cost of the numerous one-way tickets.

#136 Luigi

+ 11 police officers in another attack, + ...

Insurgents? Millitants?

At least, if nothing else, fucking MSM should have guts to call them murdering criminals, if they have problem to call them terrorists. What they would call someone here that would kill 11 police officers and 14 civilians? Millitant? Insurgent?

ARRRGGGHHH!

Where's the zodiac killer when you need him?

#138 Cowgirl,

remember how, a few months ago, a terrorist helped a Canadian hostage escape as she was about to behaded becasue she had told the terrorist she would help him get a Canadian visa?

I don't have a link but this story is just so typical.

behaded = be beheaded

#139 ördög Johnson

in·sur·gent
adj.

1. Rising in revolt against established authority, especially a government.
2. Rebelling against the leadership of a political party.

You are absolutely right.
Its an entirely value-neutral, non-normative term.

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#136

And I read an article not long ago ('fraid I don't have a link) about a terrible, brutal US/Iraqi raid on a mosque in Baghdad. Four people got killed (probably resisting) while the rest had to lie on the floor and get orders yelled at them and maybe get shoved around a little.

Oh, the horror ... the horror ... !

OT

Here is the source of the remark about going to war without the French being like deerhunting without an accordian

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

OT

Is there any problem at jihadwatch? I can't seem to reach the site?

This is a case of mental derangement.

With the increase of teaching of Muslim customs in schools, we will see more conversions. It is hip, cool, and trendy.

Watch out.

#139
Exactly! They are not insurgents. They're thugs committing heinous acts for their wallets or Allah, whichever is greater.

As for this article, my husband and I were talking last night I had to explain to him that America is a nation made up of immigrants who sought liberty and freedom from persecution. That we are a melting pot of diverse cultures that, once here, have the opportunity to believe what we want to believe as long as it doesn't physically hurt anyone. We concluded that we are at war with an ideology that seeks to overthrow our own. As such, those people here that are not citizens and claim the opposing ideology ought to be sent back to the country of origin and those that are citizens that are vocal in their opposition and then become a physical threat ought to be jailed. This is America not Little Iraq. When you come here you ought to learn our culture and understand that you came here to co exist peacefully with others that you may not agree with but that you don't get to kill. If you want to pray to mecca 5 times a day or announce to the world that you are 'against our troops' you ought to be interrogated as to what your motives are here and either be extradited back to where you belong or shut the f*ck up about your treasonous feelings (or held accountable--wouldn't that be a hoot)
I know I'm running on but I havent had the first cup yet.

Ledeen on THE DEATH OF THE LEFT

# 136

Free-thinking society was never meant to "give" anything but the freedom to think and speak without fear. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but NOT at the expense of others.

Why people can't find meaning in simply living a good and peaceful life, treating others with respect and kindness, showing compassion for those in true need, pursuing knowledge for its own sake, being environmentally responsible (without being fanatical), etc., I don't know. I can understand the need for religion, tradition, belonging, and so on. But to adopt a "religion" that encourages hate and paranoia, rejection of modernity, elimination of rational and individual thought, the treatment of those outside the faith as second class at best and subhuman at worse--I find it hard to comprehend that mentality. It's not "choosing to live a holy life," it's giving in to the most brutish, primitive, rage- and fear-based instincts of survival and tribalism.

These people should be ashamed and disgusted with themselves for their weakness in choosing such a hateful path.

The FBI raided the AIPAC office yesterday: the witchhunt continues.

#40 H-town.

Sorry I missed your post. (I'm a wretched communicator on here, as I often come and go without reading all the posts.)

But in any case... YOU GOT A DEAL! ;-)

A debate between right and left that demonstrates the intellectual nothingness that is the modern anti-american left.

Frank Gaffney/Phyllis Chesler v. two Chomsky-fellating leftie morons

If he could find a bumper sticker that read “AGAINST THE TROOPS,” he said, he’d put it on his cab

Could someone make one up for him and then call for a taxi at an army base?

#151 tigger and my favorite rum;

These people should be ashamed and disgusted with themselves for their weakness in choosing such a hateful path.

I imagine it's hard for 'these people' to have a frame reference for 'shame' that isn't associated with the humiliation of wars lost and a world that is, in their way of thinking, inferior and evil. This is the crux for me - that they think we are evil and deserve to die while believing that they offer the world a superior path to enlightenment and prosperity. So it is their way or the highway to heaven. As well they've been raised to be devotees of death. Their landscape is as harsh as their belief system and since childhood they are taught lies about the world and the people that inhabit that world. Once you've been brainwashed into the cult of Islam - kind of like being a wise guy- you start to realize that no one here gets out alive. What hope does this offer people? Of course, this in no way excuses them for their heinous behavior. What it does do is make it imperative for a HEALTHY world to point out LOUDLY that based on the evidence of Islam we do not see how it offers enlightenment or prosperity as it seeks to emulate death over life. That isn't successful when you have the majority of the world appeasing the thugs out of fear of loss. Fear of losing money (Oil for Food)- fear of losing power-fear fear and more fear. It's up to the good people of the world to stop appeasing Islam and talk straight about it.
With the msm only worried about pissing off shareholders and advertisers it's getting harder and harder to get unified in the effort to appeal to the world - especially when that msm is also more intent on sensational stories of anti americanism that fuels the fires abroad and sells more papers and jacks up ratings?!

What a total fucking loser, and yet, unsurprising.

You know, I have this evil dream that the US returns Saddam to power for the sole purpose of torturing these "insurgents". If that happens, I want to the fuckhead in this article sent to Iraq.

#156 AI

We're on the same wavelength this morning.

It is time to become INTOLERANT, to be in their faces, to make these people so uncomfortable that they either change or get the hell out...I do know one thing, they will never change, that means they have to get the hell out...One way tickets for all Moslems, be they born in America or elsewhere...

Agreed.

The Islamic Camel is in the American tent, what are we to do about it?
Imagine it's not there?
"Embrace" the Camel?
Banish the Camel if he walks on us?
Beat the Camel into submission?
Commit Camelcide?

We know that Mohammedan tactics for victory over the Infidel advocates mendacity in all its forms to achieve either the kaffirs' surrender (aka conversion) or acceptance of dhimmitude (simpering leftists or mindless PC behavior) to move towards the goal of an Islamic USA.

Each and every Mohammedan, foreign-born, native-born, "moderate" or extreme, "white" or persons-of-color MUST, as Muslims, believe in the destruction of our country as a primary goal in order to install an Islamic State.

As missionaries of Islam, they are actively engaging in treason and should be stripped of citizenship, green-cards, whatever and immediately deported.

Instead, they will claim victim status until they can claim victor status, as most folks in this country are either too kind, mindless, clueless, or too PC to see reality.

#16 Katt, it's the spatial distribution problem and the sympathetic cells protecting the cancer.

#160

So let's fight fire with fire. Let's round up the ones already tied to nefarious activity and tell them we're giving them green cards and then ship em out. Taqyiah can work both ways.

#39 mich-again if no one else said it before, I think you just coined a new term:

Jihadi Jones

# 149 very good post!

#158 Trippin, huh? Saddam would give 'em a parade and a position in his SS?

Democracy is based on compromise, he told me, and Islam does not compromise.

That 'bout sums it up for me on the question as to whether "true" Islam can exist with the principles of secular government.

I wonder if this is the "moderate muslim."

It's getting harder and harder to understand the yearn to lean so dramatically left...I don't want to understand it but this is important as it clearly demonstrates what other forces are against good in this increasingly negative world...

Convicted leftist terrorist Susan Rosenberg must be counted among the unlikeliest candidates ever to be awarded a university teaching post. Just four years ago, Rosenberg was serving out the 16th year of a 58-year sentence for the possession of more than 700 pounds of explosives and a stockpile of illicit weapons. Moreover, the onetime member of a leftist terrorist outfit called “The Family” was also a suspect in a 1981 robbery-gone-awry that left three people dead in Nyack, New York.

[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

OT : The French are saying they're going to do something about Al-Manar.

BTW, here's a semi-interesting article about the immigration of 'White Muslims' to Australia :

[Link: www.victorynewsmagazine.com...]

#164 AI

Not soon enough- that's how soon.

#165

We're on the same page! ;o)

#69

JWL's on-line personality was a 2%er I think their called.

What's a two-percenter?

This guy needs to be on a watch list

He can practice any religion, he has the right to speak freely

But, as soon as he engages in jihad against America, he makes himself a warrior, an enemy combatant, eligible to reside at Gitmo

We don't know to what depts of depravity he will sink in the name of his cause...fresh converts have been known to be
fanatical

A few insults hurled his way, and the next thing is he seeks to get revenge

#164 AI

Any right thinking muslim...Oh I just got that! Boy am I slow this morning..LOL

There are no right thinking muslims- they're all apostate or dead or driving a cab in Manhattan dreaming of their 15 minutes of infamy.

Anyway the 2%ers are the black racists who refused to switch from AM's weird delusion over to Islam.

Oh, guess I should read the whole post, eh?

#78 AU

It sounds like the California White Boy did not find a cult before he found "Islam".

I think you're right.

#172 ToxMan, hmmm, that sounds pre-9/11 to me. If we have to wait until 19 men physically do something like murder 3000, 10000, 100000, etc., they will destroy our country and way of life for us and our children.

Now what makes that lil' pissant think that the folk that he is rebelling against for various reasons can't also shoot better than he can? Some people join a band of brothers, some people join a band of losers.

# 156 american infidel,

"They have slowly, over time removed G_D from our lives"

First, I must say I don't understand this statement. Do you believe your God is omnipresent? Do you believe any human being has the power to "remove" God from your life, or from the life of any believer?

Second, I'm an atheist and I hold some liberal views. This does not prevent me from feeling moral outrage and righteous anger toward butchers and fanatics who wish to kill, forcibly convert, or subjugate free, tolerant, and peace-loving peoples. Frankly, the willful blindness of the Left toward the Islamic menace dismays me. I do not understand why they do not realize that the freedom and tolerance they supposedly value is the very thing that is at stake in this conflict.

Its funny, I know 2 moslem cab drivers, 1 Pakisani and another from Jordan, both of whom would take turns beating the snot out of this guy for giving them a bad rap.

Moonbats come in all shapes and sizes, this leftist nutbag is prolly just whoring the attention anyway.

These people are just totally stupid and riven with meanness.

I say, a double tap to the head for him too...

To White Muslim:

"Get sacrificed! I don't subscribe to your religon." -Ringo

Another WMD... a White Muslim Dude

#92 Ed Moran

So maybe we should fear Episcopalian politicians. The head of their religion is the the Queen of a country that has fought two wars against the US, and she has a Navy right on our northern border.

Well, I wouldn't really call it a navy...

Send me his cab license information and I will send him a bus ticket back to whatever bum fuc* egypt country he came from and a note pinned to his shirt stating:

"I left my cabbie job in manhattan to seek my death fighting for this shit hole?".

#100 Chottii

When I was in college (nearly 20 years ago now), I lost a friend to a cult in town. A 'christian' cult - he could no longer have anything to do with the rest of us, since we weren't in his church - and the same happened to anyone who joined that group. After college, I was involved for a time in Operation Rescue, which had among its supporters certain groups of Christians who believed so firmly in being 'not of this world' and being 'not subject to the laws of man' that they cancelled their Social Security Numbers, only took jobs that paid under the table, and in general attempted to live in all ways as if they were not citizens of the United States...because they believed themselves to be *solely* citizens of Heaven.

How did they explain things like Paul saying that Christians are to be "in the world, but not of the world", or where Jesus said to "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"?

#113 Garnier

The Anglican Church in the UK and the Anglican Church in the colonies (now called Episcopalian) separated after the War for Independence. I think Archbishop Griswold runs the thing in the US, and he doesn't get his marching orders from HM the Queen so there is no crossed loyalty issue that I am aware of.

Dude, I think he was kidding.

I'd kill this idiot and not miss a moment of shut eye.

#178 tigger2005, I have a liberal friend who sounds just like you. He can't understand why they aren't the most ferocious in defending the democratic societies. That's because he thinks as a good liberal of old and democratically. The new LLLs see anything that attacks/stresses their in-country enemies as a help in their endeavor to 'progress' this country toward socialism and away from Judao-Christian values is a good thing; never able to suspect that a major civilization can be wiped out. History isn't their strong suite. They think after the US is 'progressed' to their liking then they can easily stop the Islamists which they haven't studied enough to know what it is all about. To LLLs Islam is useful until they get in power. Problem is, when people need to tell their children that at one time the country was bigger but for the next 600 years we need to drive around certained glowing portions, people won't be so interested in 'progressive' agendas.

#189 Jack

I'd kill this idiot and not miss a moment of shut eye.

Well, now, durn, I'd stay awake worried that you maybe missed a few.

good point, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

Membership is easy without a lot of 'requirements'...

Becoming a Muslim is surprisingly easy. All you need to do is take shahada — say, La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadur rasoolu Allah ("There is no true God but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God") in front of a Muslim witness (or, according to some people, two witnesses) and, bingo, you’re a Muslim. That done, you are required to pray five times a day, donate a certain amount of money to charity, fast between sunrise and sunset during the month of Ramadan, and, health and finances permitting, make at least one haj, or pilgrimage, to Mecca during your lifetime.

Guidance is by the Zealots or True Believers

Mateen Siddiqui, vice president of the Michigan-based Islamic Supreme Council of America (ISCA), a Sufi Muslim organization that has many white adherents and keeps tabs on fundamentalist Islam in America, calls that "a very hardcore, Taliban-style belief. I wouldn’t say it’s militant, but it’s very extreme. The problem is it can often lead to a militant attitude in the future." According to the ISCA, the majority of mosques in the United States have been taken over by radicals who preach the dour, restrictive version of Wahhabi Islam financed and championed by Saudi Arabia.

Brings order to an otherwise chaotic and confused life

"Islam is a way of life. The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, taught us everything up to how to go to the bathroom. Even when you go to the bathroom, how to go in, how to go out, how to sit, how to wash, how to take a shower. [He taught us] how to eat, how to start your food, how to treat your wife, how to treat your children, how to wake up in the morning, how to put your slippers on, how to put clothes on, how to take clothes off, what to eat, what not to eat . . . And everything had a purpose."

The reason that this is catching on in so many places in the world is because it is a philosophy of life without the rigors and requirements that are represented by traditional religious membership. You don't have required 'dogma' to believe as in Catholicism nor a priest class to answer and confess. There is NO requirement to believe that Mohammad is the 'son of G-D' as is Jesus in Christianity with all the complexities that are represented in the concept of the Trinity. There are none of the complexities of Judaism and compliance with 'laws of Orthodoxy' or the difficulty represented with conversion. And finally there is NO requirement to remove your hatred and ill-will toward non-believers...
Ban Islam --NOW-- before it's too late...

90 & 91

What dumbass Aaron won't admit is that none of these brave guys submitted their own paperwork twice to get their Purple Hearts like JFK did!

181 American Infidel

Which creates a problem when it comes to the emancipation of Moslem women, how do you alter the word of Allah their moon god?

Great point. Allah's word cannot be altered, hence, the great dilemma that is called Islam. If you are a true devotee of Islam you cannot co-exist peacefully with the world unless that world follows your code of ethic. Allah's will. YOu can exist in that world but are obligated to instill your code in any way possible so as not to become apostate. It's easy to do this when your 'religion' allows you to lie through the skin of your teeth.
The beauty part seems to be that you've got the aid of a moonbat league that you've propagandized for years into serving you without those moonbats ever noticing that they are dhimmified and being used as tools against their own! The moment Islam gains momentum here as it has abroad we will see those same muslims bite the moonbat hand that fed them all these years. Of course, I pray we wake up a long time before that happens - but when they're introducing the culture of Islam into the public schools - I'm not sure we haven't already gone off the deep end.

I am just appalled that that some of those Moonbats are converting just for spite! They were bad enough just being helpful spreading misinformation.
But to convert to a religion which completely is against the other parts of your agenda to protest Bush is taking the BDS way too far.

I skippped a few comments, sorry if I am redundant.

As we headed down FDR Drive, with the East River streaming past us on our left, the conversation turned to politics. It was a week or so before the presidential election, but Vincent said he had no intention of voting. Democracy is based on compromise, he told me, and Islam does not compromise. If he could vote for an Islamic state, he would, with Saudi Arabia as the model. Asked about Taliban-era Afghanistan, he replied cautiously that he didn’t know enough about it to comment. It is his fervent hope that early next year, in the company of a million or so other Muslims, he will be able to go on the haj and circle the black stone at Mecca. "Besides wanting my parents to become Muslim, there’s nothing I want more."

Well, if the model of an Islamic state is Saudi Arabia, how come so many of 'em are tryin' to get someplace else?

I don't think that religion attracts much in the way of independent thinkers.

#193 dustyroadguy, good synopsis. I would add that an Islamist must believe that Jesus was never on the cross and therefore there was no Resurrection. They must specifically believe the Jesus was NOT the 'son of G-D' (as written down by Mohammed). G-D is not so weak that he has needs such as having a son; a relationship of any kind. Relationships imply needs and being a less than deity. Hmmm. Wonder who this mysticism describes.

It is his fervent hope that early next year, in the company of a million or so other Muslims, he will be able to go on the haj and circle the black stone at Mecca. "Besides wanting my parents to become Muslim, there’s nothing I want more."

Yeah, but if his parents become Muslim, who is gonna pay for that trip to Mecca?

On 9/11, he was a 'less than zero' loser among some Arabs and Muslims whose opinions were suddenly 'in demand' as they tried to get a sense of whether non-Muslims would hate them for the attacks on that day.

It went straight to his head. He found sudden meaning in his life by turning his back on our nation and becoming a self-styled non-American living in the America that he now hates.

He's now worse than being 'less than zero' and one can only hope that he finds out the hard way (elsewhere) what he's bought into.

176 Roger

There is a delicate balance between maintaining our freedoms and having our security. I don't trust any radical. We could go back to internment camps. Round up all Islamists. Then what?

As far as I know, we don't have "Minority Report" or thought police, yet. This idiot is a citizen, not a visiting foreigner. He has publicly voiced his disdain for our country. The gov't needs to watch him, is all I'm saying...Pre-911, we weren't doing a very good job of that with foreigners. Expired visas...visitor quotas...lack of border enforcement...money diverted to terrorists from charity fronts...document forgeries...poor airport screening procedures...the system was FUBAR

I like the earlier posts suggesting getting him a one-way ticket to the Middle East.

Personally, I would contact my representatives about reforms of the Intelligence and Immigration systems. These are important provisions before Congress, now. Elections are only part of our process. Let Washington know. If you don't bitch anywhere else besides here, how can we accomplish anything?

Pathetic I have little to say about other than I would like to see him get his ass kicked sideways.

On another note: RoP strikes again.

Muslim Terrorists Slam Suicide bus into a Mosque Killing Dozens

OT: Don't forget to vote every day for LGF at the Wizbang 2004 Weblog Awards. LGF has slipped to third after having been in first.

What a fuckleberry.

#178 tigger2005

Frankly, the willful blindness of the Left toward the Islamic menace dismays me. I do not understand why they do not realize that the freedom and tolerance they supposedly value is the very thing that is at stake in this conflict.

Why does it come as a suprise? The purpose of the American left is to undermine American social structure. The attacks on that structure through the left's pet causes such as gender feminism and the making of a mountain of of an establishment clause molehill are implicit. The islamic attack is explicit. The left can cite another one of their pet causes, "diversity," and call for "dialog" with and "understanding" of a minority religion, largely practiced by American racial minorities, as justification for its stand on creeping islamism. The real reason for the left's support, though, is that islamism is one more force that chips away at America's foundation.

Sort of like banning the Declaration of Independence because of the G-word.

The enemy within.
Mr. President, TEAR DOWN THOSE MOSQUES !

OT: HA! Andrew Sullivan is losing his condo!

[Link: www.gawker.com...]

#206 American Infidel

Yesterday I learned that the Discover channel (I hope I have that correctly) is going to be throwing cold water the BIBLE by saying that some pharoah or another was not in Egypt, etc...

My understanding is that the Discover channel is challenging the Bible by showing that it's possible that the Pharoah's first born was murdered or killed in war (because his skull was bashed in) rather than having been killed by G-d's plague on Egypt where the first born were killed.

They're advertising it as if it's a big scandal.

/rolls eyes

“If there was a jihad,” he replied evenly, “I don’t see how I could not join in.”

I know what he means. When mob violence against Muslims starts, due to years of government half measures, PC, uncontrolled immigration, da'wa in our public schools, and countless terror attacks against civilians, I'll provide the pitchforks and torches.
/But I'm the bad guy?!

Given the [alleged] death of the Left, the despair of the vacuous moonbats, the "romance" of the deliciously outre religion Islam, the fact that Islam hates EXACTLY what the moonbats hate, and mostly that Islam provides the authoritarian force that all moonbats secretly wish for, I'm making the follwing prediction (although Jed alluded to it earlier in this thread):

Moonbats are goind to start converting to Islam in droves (or is that covens?).

You heard it here first. Watch for it.

#200

You are right. Prior to his "conversion" to keep his Moroccan bud, he was pretty much your run of the mill loser. (Not that there's anything wrong with that. I am now aspiring to be a beach bum and am working to fulfill that particular dream but am still working too much. Must. Cut. Back.) Now he's an even bigger loser BUT lectures about Islam and has people asking his views and talking to him, has reporters lining up to do interviews with him, and a brand-new religion that prescribes everything he does, a religion that says not to worry about things like money and scorns those that do (and give us that 10% of your $85 take today for the poor to buy AK-47s--er, food, Okay?). Must be pretty heady stuff for a failed part-time actor and hospitality services worker.

Odd, though, that he thinks that religions that say it is okay to be poor were a revelation. Seems to me that most religions say that. Guess his mama never sent him to Sunday school when he was a little jihadi.

From the second part of the stroy:

".. Listening to him I had the sense that certain Muslims have studied liberal Western society the way a military general assesses an enemy position — probing for strengths and weaknesses, deciding where and how and at what cost penetration can be achieved."

[Link: www.laweekly.com...]

Liberals are the root cause of Terrorism since they have rewarded it

Another name and picture for the FBI to add to their files.

Where's the target over this guys face, oops! I see it's on his back.

Bwaaa

Channeling the Beach Boys

Everybody's gone sufi……sufi USA

I knew one of these "White American" Muslim converts years ago...he married a Muslim Indonesian woman he met on the Internet, and took the Shahada pledge at the same time. The guy was (still is, so far as I know) the HEAD of the science department at a local community college. This highly educated, 40ish, white American citizen really and truly believes the Koran is divine revelation, believes Islam, through Jihad, will "liberate" the world from corporate America/The Pentagon and...it just boggles the mind. The guy is a true believer right down to his socks...where has his rationality gone?

#206 AI

It's as #207 so eloquently puts it- and worse. And as you say, it is an attack on the Judeo/Christain culture which the LLL blame for banning same sex marriages and their childish desire for anarchy out of, imho, misplaced idiotic frustration at the impotence in their own lives. What's incredibly ironic is that Islam is a 'religion' that once embedded in society will seek to overthrow all that the LLL hold so dear. It's the proverbial case of 'be careful what you wish for', you'll get it alright, in SPADES.

#215 mglazer

Dang if that don't sound vaguely sexual.

before islam he was a loser, after islam he is still a loser but also a good target

# 10, ddd

islam = cancer

I have cancer, islam is worse. I dont have alot of extra cash, but would certainly be willing to pay to assist this fellow out of the country and to the lands which he loves so much. AFter, of course, we put the little tracking device in the nape of his neck.

While I love David Horowitz, I was a little disappointed in his recent book about the nexus between militant Islam and Western liberals...he went off at too many tangents, jumping from modern Jihad to Communists of the 1950s. The book didn't go far enough in explaining the nexus...and the psychological basis for the shared affiliation between the Left and Islam. Each uses, massages and exploits the other, working towards a final, common goal. Horowitz understands this, but I think others (like Ibn Warraq and Robert Spencer) can articulate it more coherently. The nexus between the Left and Islam is manifest and self-evident...but mainstreamers never, ever talk about it.

#224 heidi

I pray your cancer goes into remission and disapears forever whilst I hope Islam is excised before the malignancy spreads and takes over the body politic.
All blessings to you as a survivor!

#211 rightasrain
#222 American Infidel

Higher critics will always be here

"don't cast your pearls before swine"

Reminder: "Train up a child..." Prov 22:6

Speaking of white Muslims, this guy is one scary dude (scoll down to pale bearded guy in black knit cap) He's the convert to Islam who replaced abu Hamza at the Jihadist mosque in London, and is just as bad the "the one-eyed, one-hooked jihad-preaching people hater. He was interviewed for the Ceeb doc, World Without Borders that aired here Wednesday night, and it was extremely odd to hear the usual kind of triumphalism and hate spewing from the mouth of someone who spoke with a less-than-posh English accent. I guess you could call him the Cockney Jihadist.

#226
Ahhh, man. That was the book I was going to buy my dad for Christmas (am I allowed to say that word?)
Is it still worth reading? Any other good books on the subject?

# 187 American Infidel

Like I said--is not your God omnipresent to you? Does anyone have the power to remove God from your life? You know, don't you, that Christians used to be a tiny minority, with no holidays, no New Testament scriptures, and that from time to time they were subject to persecution and even death? Do you think they believed the Romans or anyone else could "take God away from them" ? I think the early Christians would laugh if they could see what passes for "persecution" of Christians in the U.S. these days (not to deny the VERY REAL persecution of Christians in many other countries).

Many CHRISTIANS do not celebrate "Christmas." They consider it a mixture of pagan/Roman traditions with a veneer of Christianity. Large numbers of Americans celebrate Christmas as a strictly secular (and highly commercialized--another reason many Christians reject it entirely) holiday. There is certainly no law stating people must observe it as a Christian holiday.

I have heard about the incident in California, although I haven't seen many details yet. I've not heard that the Declaration of Independence was banned from EVERY SCHOOL IN THE ENTIRE STATE. In any case, this appears to be a serious misunderstanding of the principle of church/state separation--there is no law that says God and religion can't be discussed in schools, or that religious influence in our country's founding can't be acknowledged, or that founding documents that mention God are taboo. This could be a case of PC run amok, and I am no supporter of PC. (On the other hand, I do wonder if the teacher in question was selectively presenting ONLY documents that mentioned God to support his/her view that America is a "Christian nation." Would he/she have also presented the Treaty of Tripoli, which explicitly states that "The United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion"?) But bottomline, banning the DoI is absurd and has no legal basis whatsoever, and the ridiculous ban needs to be overturned as soon as possible.

I also don't have any details about the Carolina or Virginia cases. Church/state separation definitely does not forbid bringing Bibles to school, silent personal prayer, religious meetings on school grounds before or after classes, or even proselytizing, as long as it does not disrupt classes or amount to harassment "Johnny, Timothy is Jewish, and he has complained to me and to his parents that you keep telling him he's going to Hell for not accepting Jesus." If the children are being sent home and threatened with suspension for talking about God on the playground or between classes. or even during class at appropriate times (such as comparative religion classes), then that is wrong, and some folks are in need of education.

All that church/state separation as it applies to schools is supposed to mean is that teachers and principles don't lead prayers and don't post blatantly religious material. Also, of course, preaching and proselytizing has to be moderated, it can't be allowed to become disruptive to classes or escalate into harassment. Public schools are supposed to be neutral when it comes to religion, just as the government is supposed to be neutral. Parents and churches are there to teach kids about religion. The school is there to educate on secular topics.

You might want to check out this site: Baptist Joint Committee on Political Affairs (www.bjcpa.org). It's not just atheists who support chuch/state separation.

Schröder: Germany Must Help Israel

Then stop siding with their terrorist neighbours, dumbass. That would be a start.

"In L.A., I had no direction. I was absolutely clueless as to what I was going to do for the rest of my life. I really cared mostly about the irrelevant things — my music, my hanging out, my friends, my parties. Anything that had no weight or relevance to it, that was what I was most concerned about. I was working just like anybody, living for the weekend, to buy clothes, impress myself, impress others.

"What I can tell you is this," he went on, his voice hoarse and nasal because of his cold, his thoat dry from fasting. (It was already seven hours since his last meal.) "There was Vincent, and there’s Shu’aib. And literally it’s two different people. Why? Because I could never, God willing, be that person again. Meaning my character, my mentality, my closed eyes, my narrowmindedness — everything was just wrong. I use the analogy that I had to have my vision taken away from me to have my eyes opened. All I can say is thanks God for Islam, because it teaches you everything about this life, about this world. It makes you ponder everything, not in a spiritual kind of way, but in a reality kind of way. So when I see things —"

Thank Allah he was out partyin' all night and sleepin' late. If he'd have watched a late-night infomercial and gotten the Carleton Sheets real estate course and some help from Anthony Robbins, he'da probably be doing infomercials of his own right now.

#201 ToxMan, I comprehend what you are saying and would like to keep an open society for everyone who agrees with an open society. Where I have a problem, it is with the concept of assigning 5(you pick the number) special FBI agents to 'watch' him. Not cost effect or feasible to guard the castle forever. This is like capping an abscessed tooth and hoping the pain goes away. If we try to put this off for 20 years, we will be hit beyond what 'watching' can accomplish. People do not yet understand Islam. They cry for miraculous reform, citing Christian Reformation as proof that it is possible for Islam to reform because after all their both horrible. They proclaim the great powers of random mutations and 'deep' time in solving our current conflict with Islam. I'm not holding my breathe.

After a bastard gets put into Gitmo, how long till his release? Where is the islamic authority to sign surrender terms as the US continues to hammer Islamists? Think it will ever happen? A surrender; return of POWs from Gitmo and peace?

We have better than "Minority Report" but the public wouldn't stand for that either;-)

Not internment camps. The Japanese interment was for a different reason; protecting the knowledge that Japanese codes were broken by the US.

Personally I think all Mosques should go because they are not churches in kafir country; they are military outposts. But people don't yet understand Islam.

#222 American Infidel,
They don't have the balls to fact check the KKKoran

“I’m a Muslim first, and I just live in this country.”
Democratic constitutional republics are anathema to islam.
Devout muslims must strive to impose sharia law.
Loyal Americans must support the constitution.
This dichotomy clearly illustrates why it is impossible for devout muslims to be loyal Americans.
Similarly, it is impossible to be a decent, moral person and believe that a mass murderer, child molester, rapist, terrorist, thief is a 'prophet'.
America and the civilized world has some very tough decisions to make on how to deal with the plague of islam. Unfortunately, it's becoming increasingly evident that these tough decisions won't be made until enough islamic inspired catastrophes befall us.

Did anybody see the C-Span panel discussing Al Qaida last night? The "experts" clearly didn't know shit; the guy from Singapore invoked the familiar mantra about America's foreign policy being at fault, while others fell back on other orthodoxical truisms like Palestine and poverty. These people are the "experts"!?!? No wonder the West is in deep, deep, deepest shit. Nobody was willing to ask or answer the tough questions about the nature of Islam, its history of violent Jihad, and its continuing traditions of conquest through mass murder...no, these "learned" people had nothing to say about any of that.

Like I said--is not your God omnipresent to you? Does anyone have the power to remove God from your life? You know, don't you, that Christians used to be a tiny minority, with no holidays, no New Testament scriptures, and that from time to time they were subject to persecution and even death? Do you think they believed the Romans or anyone else could "take God away from them" ? I think the early Christians would laugh if they could see what passes for "persecution" of Christians in the U.S. these days (not to deny the VERY REAL persecution of Christians in many other countries).

Don't expect the ignorant wingers who populate this site to respond to your facts with anything but stupidity and hatred.

The parallels between their calls for a "Ban on Islam" and Hitler's persecution of the Jews is stunning. To suggest that requiring schools to remain religiously neutral is tantamount to "removing God from their life" is a superb indicator of the shallowness of their "faith".

OT: Germany Says Thwarts Attack on Iraq PM, 3 Arrested

#240 Passaconaway

The parallels between their calls for a "Ban on Islam" and Hitler's persecution of the Jews is stunning.

Only to a world-class imbecile. Congratulations, you're world class!

OT: Malki Roth's (z'l) mother writing about the "humiliation" of the Palestinian violinist.

This is a must read...as you all may or may not know-the bomber in this attack had the bomb in a guitar case.

OT Al Jazeera is a zionist plot, per Teheran Times

Don't expect the ignorant wingers who populate this site to respond to your facts with anything but stupidity and hatred.

Would you be the pot, or the kettle?

#230 Scaramouche

Did he say "We a'e the soldie's of Allah, bu' the evil Zionists keep us undah illegal occupation, mate"?

(poor attempt to write down Cockney)

#231 susanita--

Just my opinion (about Horowitz' book)-- that it could have been better. Luckily, there are a bunch of great books emerging on this topic. Anything by Ibn Warraq, Robert Spencer, Steven Emerson, Daniel Pipes. If it's brilliant fiction exploring the theme of Western liberal intellectuals entwining with Muslim militants, I recommend "America 2012," available on the Internet. It also has a great factual epilogue.

#240 Pissaconaway

Do you actually think the early Christians would laugh at modern Christian persecution?

#238 American Infidel ,
As long as the web remains in American hands we can rip Islam apart. So lets do our daily bit in slightly loosening the foundation of that evil edifice

#211 & #222

Good grief. There's no campaign or conspiracy on the part of archaeologists to de-legitimize the Bible -- there just hasn't been much evidence found to support the idea that Exodus is accurate history. Making up a legendary history is not unusual for ANY peoples--virtually all ancient peoples invented legendary histories for themselves. In fact, fundamentalists (Jewish, Muslim, and Christian) have been reduced to creating FORGERIES in an effort to prove their religious claims.

I don't really pay much attention to sensationalized Bible documentaries on the Discovery Channel, anyway. They tend to start from a lot of false premises and assumptions.

As for women, not only does he not have a girlfriend, he isn’t even permitted to touch a female hand. He hopes to get married, but his wife will either have to be Muslim or willing to convert immediately. "Women are just part of this life," he told me. "They’re just part of this world. So they’re not going to be beneficial to you in any way. I’m not speaking of Muslim women. I’m speaking of regular women on the street. In my opinion, they’re the ones who are oppressed, not the Muslim women. Ask any Muslim woman if she’s oppressed, and they’re going to say no. They wouldn’t be fighting like they are with this head-scarf issue in France — you know why? Because they don’t want to take it off. Why would they upset the Creator, rather than the Creation? They’re not going to let the Creation ordain for them what the Creator has already ordained

Yep, reckon he's had a whole bunch of real heart-to-heart talks with Muslim women. Whatever. I especially liked the "ask any Muslim woman if she's oppressed" part. He forgot to mention that he would have to ask any muslim woman if she's oppressed while her oppressor was standing by because she ain't allowed to talk to you.

Survey of Palestinians presented at The Jerusalem Summit
30 November 2004
Findings:

1. To what extent are you satisfied in general with the quality of life of
you and your family today?
Very dissatisfied 16% Dissatisfied 19%
So-so 27%
Satisfied 23% Very satisfied 13%
Other 2%

2. What are the chances that the quality of life of you and your family will
significantly improve in the coming two years?
Very good 8% Good 29%
So-So 31%
Bad 17% Very bad 12%
Other 3%

Do you think that the leadership of the Palestinian Authority is doing
enough today to improve the lives of the Palestinian population?
No 53% Yes 33% Other 14%

Do you think that the Palestinian Authority is corrupt?
Yes 46% No 35% Other 19%

In your opinion, what are the chances that the Palestinian Authority will
contend effectively with corruption in the next two years?
Very good 7% Good 20%
So-So 38%
Bad 23% Very bad 8%
Other 4%

In the last years have you considered leaving your place of residence to
permanently live in another country?
No 50% Yes 42% Other 8%

If today you had the wherewithal and ability to leave and live permanently
in another country would you?
No 41% Maybe 33% Yes 17% Other 9%

What would make you permanently move to another country (respondents could
note more than one factor, weighted figures presented):
15% Nothing would make me leave
16% Guarantee of a good job overseas
12% Situation here gets worse
10% Generous financial assistance
09% Financial guarantee equal to average wages in the West Bank today for
life
08% Guarantee of good housing
06% Guarantee of good education for the children
05% On condition that the entire family goes with me
02% Supportive community in the new place
17% Other

---
IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis
Website: [Link: www.imra.org.il...]

...This mythic porridge started the expulsion of thousands of Jews from Spain and Christian seizure of their assets. In 1260 the Jewish population of Toledo had built "the largest and most beautiful synagogue in Spain." In the 15th century the Jews of Toledo were massacred and the synagogue appropriated by the church. It now bears the name of the Church of Santa Maria la Blanca. According to contemporary theologians, persecution and seizure of property was a legitimate activity of Catholic powers. In their view, "no illegitimate violence was being done to the Jews, infidels, and heretics put to the sword at the behest of the Church: these people had no rights to be violated."10

Onward Christian Soldiers!

Duder

I guess its time for another pledge drive for Andy. I'm sure after supporting the war in Iraq to make lots of friends on the left and then turning on Bush over a single issue (gay marriage) and endearing himself to the right, he'll be swamped with offers of help.

OT

The newest VDH:

How Far We’ve Come, Let’s not forget.

All this we must not forget. We have come too far and too many have died to cease or even pause. In the name of the dead Americans, those lost of the Coalition, and the resolute Iraqis who were butchered by both Saddam and then by the Islamic fascists, let the January election proceed as promised. If Bill Clinton could run America with 43 percent of the popular vote in 1992, if Lincoln could conduct a war after receiving 40 percent in 1860, and if the Supreme Court could adjudicate the electoral mess of 2000, so then the Kurds and the Shiites, if need be, can hold elections in Iraq with participation of 70 percent of the people. As for the Muslim clerics, Saddamites, and al Qaedists of the Sunni triangle, rest assured that there will be elections and you shall all end up on the wrong side of history. How absurd it is that the Sunni Triangle is the heart of an insurrection that feeds off either subsidy, appeasement, or the indifference of its citizenry, only then to plead that its own malfeasance should earn special dispensation from others who chose hard work and sacrifice and the chance for democratic law. Let them participate in history or watch it steamroll by from the sidelines — but let them not stop it.

This guy would be very happy in his new home after conviction for treason:

"[Federal prison] is a way of life. The [Warden], peace be upon him, taught us everything up to how to go to the bathroom. Even when you go to the bathroom, how to go in, how to go out, how to sit, how to wash, how to take a shower. [He taught us] how to eat, how to start your food, how to treat your wife, how to treat your children, how to wake up in the morning, how to put your slippers on, how to put clothes on, how to take clothes off, what to eat, what not to eat . . . And everything had a purpose."

#232 tigger2005 , separation of church and state; do you know where it comes from and it's purpose?

254

Bravo, Only 500 years old and its in the Gospels in black and white "And Jesus said, as a self hating Jew, I command thou to put the infidels to the sword".

Pasco Chapter 3, Verse 16

#254 Passaconway

Did you skip over that little part of your quote saying that those facts happened in the 15th century, that means some 600 years ago? A lot of things changed greatly, since that time.

#249 Intestinal Blockage

Do you actually think the early Christians would laugh at modern Christian persecution?

Yes. The separation of church and state doesn't qualify as "persecution". Try again.

Regarding dystopian islamic future fiction:

I read a short story many moons ago in primary school, a story I'm sure would never be permitted in the hallowed PC halls of our fine public indoctrinationlearning institutions of today. This story was written by a Jewish man, and described a near-future world were the global caliphate becomes a reality. It is written first-person from the point of view of a dhimmi. The protagonist is falsely accused of stealing an apple and is sentenced to having his right hand severed. In this age of modern islamic butchery, this is accomplished using automated equipment which numbs the member before lopping it off. Ah, progress in sharia-land.

Anyone know the story?

#240 Passaconaway--

Wow, deep analysis. LLLs like you always rely on labels as a way of disengaging from debate. Deep down, you have nothing of value to say-- so you throw spitwads. How Kerry-esque. I don't see anybody on this Website recommending that Muslims be gassed in ovens. If you want to remain ignorant and are against free speech, there are a plethora of Left-wing websites devoted exclusively to conspiracy theories, kookery, anal retention, navel-gazing and other liberal faves.

#240 'The parallels between their calls for a "Ban on Islam" and Hitler's persecution of the Jews is stunning.'

The parallels between islam and naziism are what's really stunning.
The inability of moonbats to see this parallel is incredible, but no longer stuns.

# 249 intestinal fortitude,

i dont think they would laugh at the way Christians are being treated in Somalia. do you?

#262 RedWhiteandJew--

Don't know the title of that story, but I'd like to read it.

(Bing Crosby singing)

III'm dreaming of a whiiite Muslim,
just like the one I...

(*Bang*)
(hides under desk)
(sorry, I'll go away now.)

#254 Passaconaway

And traditional religious people are accused of living in the past. I've gotten over it. The Catholic church apologized. Geez.

Let's slam all Germans because of the Third Reich, too. Lot's of German deserve slamming, to be sure, but because they're moonbats, not because many of their countrymen two generations ago got snookered by a psychopath who liked to hang out in gay bars and had a leather fetish.

Wait. I Just realized I'm feeding a troll. Dang.

(Rolls up kibble bag and moves on to the reptile house)

#266 heidi

Not at all. Unfortunately the LLL psychic trolls here think they can channel the past and bring it to their own point of view.

/LGF Prayer

The early Christians may or may not have regarded modern Christians (in America) as being persecuted...but that's a false premise. The Christians of the 1950s (much more recent vintage) WOULD regard today's Christians as being persecuted. The Christians among our Founding Fathers WOULD regard today's multi-pronged assaults on Christianity as persecution.

#254 Passa...

Uhh, did you notice what year that happened? The Catholic church justified that kind of thing by saying it was their duty to spread their faith.
Does that sound familiar?
I haven't heard of any Christian governments attacking Jews in the last several hundred years.

Religious tolerance is what this country was founded on. Not enforced lack of religion. We have learned from our past.

#267 Fartbreather

LLLs like you always rely on labels as a way of disengaging from debate.

ROFL! And what is an "LLL" if not a label for anyone who doesn't agree with your wacky far-right ideology?

You are just another ignorant hypocrite spewing names and regurgitating nonsense. Not that I expected much else.

White Muslim? Is that like White Zombie?

#217 intestinal fortitude

those fellows are creepy (lll trolls), aren't they? i am so fortunate to wake up every day and go to work in a place (and country!) that allows a weekly bible study in their conference room at lunch. and i know that no one will storm in and execute us. or kill my children as we go to church on sunday. i pray daily that other nations will someday allow the same. (yes, i know i am a dreamer :) )

Bumper sticker seen on his cab:

SLODEYDOPES for BARGHOUTI

We got a live one.

#207 Redwhiteandjew,

I have to agree, the feverish anti-Americanism I see on the Left is sobering to behold. I used to think it was exaggerated but the current situation is putting it in stark relief. It's crazy that ANYONE who truly loves freedom, peace, tolerance, democracy, etc. could still be on the fence or worse, actually showing support for militant Islam. The lines could not be drawn more clearly. The choice could not be plainer.

As an atheist and a person who has always--even when I was a believer and a fervent supporter of Ronald Reagan--held several "liberal" positions, I really hate being grouped with these people. I'll never quite fit into the neo-con mold, but everyone here should have no doubt that I regard militant Islam as the enemy and I'm prepared to kill and die to defend my and your freedom.

...because many of their countrymen two generations ago got snookered by a psychopath...

Snookered Countrymen=Right Wing Dipshits

Psychopath=Bush

Some things never change...

276 heidi

Very creepy indeed!

Here's some words to live by:

God doesn't call the qualified, he qualifies the called :-)

for white converts, it seems to be a religion for people who long to be hated and feared--just like Communism was.

#38 Iron Fist

Control my friend, patience ... all in good time.

Especially in New York, this guy has a case of terminal hubris.

His ancestors probably developed some eastern relations that will take care of "his little problem".

Gambino's, Bonnano's, somebody ...

He'll get what's coming to him.

Patience.

If Bush is so stupid why does he keep wiping the floor with the Democrats?

I regard militant Islam as the enemy

I regard ANY religious militarism as "the enemy", and that includes Christianity.

It says in the book:
Burn ’n destroy...
’n repent, ’n redeem
’n revenge, ’n deploy
’n rumble thee forth
To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
’cause they don’t go for what’s in the book
’n that makes ’em bad
So verily we must choppeth them up
And stompeth them down
Or rent a nice french bomb
To poof them out of existance
While leaving their real estate just where we need it
To use again
For temples in which to praise our god
(cause he can really take care of business!)

And when his humble tv servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blond wife who takes phone calls
Tells us our God says
It’s okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
’cause if we don’t do it,
We ain’t gwine up to hebbin!
(depending on which book you’re using at the
Time...can’t use theirs... it don’t work
...it’s all lies...gotta use mine...)
Ain’t that right?
That’s what they say
Every night...
Every day...
Hey, we can’t really be dumb
If we’re just following god’s orders
Hey, let’s get serious...
God knows what he’s doin’
He wrote this book here
An’ the book says:
He made us all to be just like him,
So...
If we’re dumb...
Then God is dumb...
(an’ maybe even a little ugly on the side)