If Kevin lets them win, it might help them with the PEST.

Jus' saying.

To be expected, I suppose.
Some people give blogging a bad name.

I just followed the link. I can't believe these guys are so blatant about thier cheating! Have they no shame? It is simply incredible how dishonest they are. I voted once and only once. I didn't even think about cheating and these guys are bragging about it.

Simply pathetic!

Is it OK now to say that online polls are a waste of time?

Not suprising in the least. Typical liberal MO.

Same crap they pulled in the on-line debate polls and we know how accurate those were. NOT!

Daily Kos should now be disqualified.

Some comments from Kos Readership :

This poll is so non-scientific it's funny. Not only is it not scientific, it's poorly coded ... as in, worse than Diebold. I've voted a couply thousand times today thanks to a a little PERL script I wrote (posted above). I'll get Atrios and JMM some votes once DailyKos moves into 1st

By the way, that Perl script rocks. I turned it into a 200-vote loop voting once a second. Let's see if they find me out. Heh heh heh.

I guess "screw 'em" is the watch word at the Daily Kos.

"Loony virtual hatesite?"

There's no hope for these morons.

one of the guys told the other who got banned to "wear it like a badge of honor"

That's all you need to know about their mindset. "Cheat, and if you get caught, wear it like a badge of honor."

Cheating? Them? No way!
Would we expect any less from these libs? And they're cheating for what? Good grief.

Lie, cheat, point the blame...these Kos moonbats are getting to be as bad as Islamists.

And we thought they'd be honest? Why?

I mean, this ain't Ohio...

/sarcasm

Typical little SF twit. Screw him & the rest of SF's pathetic losers.

It's a lame poll from a technological standpoint - using cookies means a) you can vote more than once by using a different computer; b) you can vote more than once by using a different browser; and c) you can vote more than once by clearing your cookies in between votes.

And of course, if you're a Web weenie, you can vote thousands of times by writing a little script.

But I can't believe anyone would brag about hacking a stupid online poll - let alone put it in writing!

surely WizBang knows they are doing this if we do.

Heh. Two SF anti-idiots in a row...

So, this is all they have to live for? Winning an online poll- even if they know they didn't win honestly?

Kos is the ultimate cesspool. May they all rot in hell.

Isn't your site's popularity a function of your number of repeat visits, and not some easily-spoofed poll?

Are bloggers so insecure about their own opinions that they must chase dubious "web awards?"

What a -- I can't think of a better expression but - - middle school playground-type of contest. This is stuff for 12-year-olds. Correction: my twelve-year-old wouldn't *bother* with this silly "popularity contest."

/Sorry, but this is all very petty. French courtier-level petty.

Bicyclists are accused of cheating according to a survey on the greatest invention at timesonline.

So is it the computer? Electricity? No, pedal power makes the bicycle our favourite invention.

By Mark Henderson, Science Correspondent

Britain is a nation built on two wheels: Times readers have pushed aside the claims of electricity and vaccination to choose the bicycle as the country's greatest invention of the past 250 years.

13 mickthemick: It's the same postmodern mindset of spin being all that counts. No integrity. These people have a serious lack of inner substance.

[Link: www.coxandforkum.com...]

Check out this cartoon! Cox & Forkum PREDICTED PEST!

Darth,
Spoken like a true loser. Yeah, the poll is small time stuff, but so what? The dang thing is totally harmless.

"Sorry, but this is all very petty. French courtier-level petty."

Why don't you go read something more engaging if you don't like reading our petty little exchanges?

Let's reflect that every single one of Kos' candidates lost in the November elections ... we can afford to laugh at their pathetic cheating.

New definition:

Kossing: verb to skew a poll by repeatedly voting for a position, usually involving a form of scripting or procedure to violate safeguards to prevent repeat voting.

example: The LLLosers from DK are Kossing the weblog awards polls.

I was voting before I came to LGF today and couldn't believe that Kos was so far ahead...this explains it! He was way down there on Friday.

What freaks. I personally find no honor in winning through cheating. What's the point? Oh wait...I think it's a power thing. That's what Gregoire is trying to do in WA State. Even if they don't win honorably they get some sort of perverted sense of power. It's pathetic.

Go LGF! I will vote...by the rules. What a concept.

#27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That's more polite than the old definition, ex:

"Sir, your cat has been Kos-ing in my flower beds."

I say we snatch homeboy's "perl" code and use it ourselves :) level the playing field.

I would ask Whizbang to remove LGF from the "poll" altogether.

Reminds me of the good old days in Chicago when you voted for Mayor Daley: Early and Often!

#30 Texanista

Couldn't disagree more. Ultimately this poll is a minor dalliance, a lark, ... though arguably a needed distraction/entertainment from the litany of real challenges that appear here and in the 'sphere daily...
But lets not waste energy 'defending' it one way or another. I hope Wizbang has tools to illustrate and report on vote frequency, routing source or whatever, after the 12th, and that the 'quality' of the supporters of KOS etc is revealed to all.

Meanwhile, lets not stoop to their level. If one has the skills for this sort of stuff, scripting, etc...why not volunteer for defence of some of the sites that are out front in the info wars?

Let them "celebrate" their little "victory" after they stuff the online ballot boxes.

I will just sit in my corner and pout, contenting myself with the lesser victory that Bush and the Republicans won a few weeks ago.

#30:

Absolutely not. We are not Democrats. Vote once per race per 24 hours. Do not cheat. LGF is already in third behind the two cheaters.

#30 Texistana

How about no.

I pity america when these Kos cheaters are election judges.

/ps death is not a bad way to forget politics.

their parents should kick them out of the basement and make them get a day job. These kids obviously have way too much time on their hands...

Didn't even occur to me to cheat. There is no joy in an undeserved victory.

OT and BTW, I'm sure someone has linked this already? But Chesler has a very revealing video interview with Brigette Gabriel of the [Link: www.americancongressfortruth.com...] open for download from her site. A quite moving firsthand reportage of life in Lebanon before, during and after Israel cleaned out (some of) the vipers nest by a woman who lived through it...along with some very timely heads up to Americans as to just who it is we're all fighting.

Did you know that Hamas has chapters in 40 of the 50 States of the Union?

For POS kos and his cult members:

Level of terror alert that may be a bit too sophisticated for them, but it's worth a try.

Look, why are people pretending to be shocked about this? A Democratic former state Attorney General is even now planning to steal the governorship of the sate of Washington. How can anyone claim to be remotely surprised that a loony left blogger would attempt to steal a meaningless award?

If you think this is low and annoying, go to [Link: www.urbandictionary.com...] and look up George Bush. Try to rectify their lefty scum definitions!

OT

The investigation into the chemical plant explosion has centered the original blast in a big holding tank.

And guess what, I'll give you all three guesses who owns the plant.
No
No
A man named Abu Hassan. They had a fire in this plant last year. Since he's owned the plant there have been 6 fires.

Oh yeah, they report so far no signs of 'foul play'.

Guaranteed, he's going to pay out the wazoo in fines.

/them racist sons of monkeys and dogs!

Ah, almost forgot! Did ya also know that the Lions Club, Rotary, Kiwanis, Order of Masons, and the B'nai B'rith (well, 'natch) are among the 'secret organizations' named in the Hamas charter for destruction? All in all, interesting: - Brigette Gabriel seems a pretty stand up personage...there's four servers to choose between at Chesler's, plus I guess one can link through [Link: www.americancongressfortruth.com...]

Is there any way to report this?

At least we see the Democratic mindset. I'm now much, much more certain of their cheating in elections.

A representative definition of our President by one of these Koz kids:

64. George Bush

A fucking anti-Atheist son of a fucking whore who thinks Atheists are not citizens of USA. (Bush Snr)

A fuckstain who thinks Wicca is not a religion. (Bush Jr)

Fuck George Bush in the ass with broken glass!
Source: Christfucker, Aug 14, 2003

Contribute to the Cause: If you don't define our President, Shitheads will!

This is a really stupid poll. Like all online polls anyone looking at it as something more than amusement is not being very smart. And the people cheating are just... beyond stupid.

To be fair though, there are cheaters on both sides. There's a post up there by linking a comment on LGF where a lizard teaches how to cheat. This doesn't reflect on Charles (as the cheating by some leftish blog readers wouldn't reflect on Atrios or Kos).

Tiburon, isn't she an amazing woman?

I have only voted once. And since the left blogs feel they can justify their cheating to be in first place, I'll not be voting any more. If the only way they can win is by stealing the votes, then Wizbang should just shut down the contests.

If Washington state allows the governors office to be stolen by finding more hand counted votes, I would be dedicated to holding this woman's feet to the fire from the first day in office until her last day in office. I would be like a duck on a june bug, in her face and on her back constantly.
Make her pay a price she can't afford for cheating.
Maybe she'll be leaving office with a bleeding ulcer.

Re: "These people are nuts": here's the latest in LLL insanity:
[Link: www.world-cnn.com...]
The person who told me about it didn't realize it was a hoax...they are totally emeshed in their nutty point of view.

I remember when lgf overvoted a speigel poll, but it certainly wasn't for the satisfaction of "winning." It was done just to dumbfound the pollsters who would be shocked that Bush/America weren't nearly as hated in Germany as they had hoped thought.

@48 Berlin

There's a post up there by linking a comment on LGF where a lizard teaches how to cheat. This doesn't reflect on Charles (as the cheating by some leftish blog readers wouldn't reflect on Atrios or Kos).

If you have a link, please post it.

are they cheating so that the MSM will duly report their victory?
if so, they are even more stupid than I thought (and that's a stretch)
even a moonbat must recognize the propensity of the MSM to favor the LLL...
oh yeah,I forgot, MSM has a conservative, fundy, VRWC, Christian, values-based, pro-life bias...

25.000 votes in the last 2 days...

30.000 votes in the last 5 hours...

MYSTERIOUS...

This looks like Irak or Palestine elections, where Hussein and Arfat win with 100% of the votes.

HA, Gines!
watch the vote count for LGF DEcrease, just as soon as a moonbat geek writes the code to hack it!

The LLL live in a world of moral relavatism... to them, winning at any cost is the only thing that counts.

moral relavatism = broken moral compass

you can't reason with people like this.

#47 pookleblinky:

Well, here's one atheist who supports Bush almost entirely (except in cases where he's not conservative enough, such as his appallingly weak stance against illegal immigration).

And, while Wicca may be a religion, it's a pathetic and ludicrous one, without anything resembling the histories and traditions of Judaism or Christianity.

#49 zulubaby

ya...that's what I get from the video, for sure. I'm a little embarrassed it takes words such as hers to remind me of the differences between "Us and Them"...for as you know I spend much of my time concentrating on the seeming unawareness (dangerous!) of the Enemy among we Jews, that she mentions in warning, towards the end of the interview - and I forget how sweet even the toughest of us are..., and yes, ultimately, even among the most LLL Jews (or most of most)(save a few obvious)(or slightly more than few)(...never mind... ;-P)

I found it quite touching that she ensured her parents burial in the Schindler cemetary in Jerusalem, even to seeing her mom's remains re-intered...herself! - so her descendants would know!. Brave woman, very - absolutely deserving every support. (and now a proud Lebanese Christian American!)

#25

By all means, fight for the banana with the sticker on it. You'll show those Kos people who's King of Mom's Basement! :)

Me, I've got Christmas cards to finish. Good night.

HA, Gines!
watch the vote count for LGF DEcrease, just as soon as a moonbat geek writes the code to hack it!

looks like that is happening. LGF's number has been going down alot in the last hour. They should scrap this and start over.

#58 Kylaer 12/4/2004 07:44PM PST

Dude, we need to start a newsletter! =]

OT/

I work in downtown Columbus and I like to take smoke brakes. Two weeks ago, a coworker and I were enjoying our habit in front of our building. A lady came up to us and asked when the bus was coming. We told her and proceeded to have a conversation which led to the reelection of President Bush. Here's the short and skinny. She was one of the election officials who were responsible for counting the ballots. She made it abundantly clear that this was "our" opportunity to change the election because Bush was massacring the troops. She was frothing at the mouth and she didn't care who knew her agenda.

2.000 votes in the last 8 minutes !, somebody is cheating

2.000 votes in the last 8 minutes !, somebody is cheating

Yes and the LGF stats have dropped .5 points in about the last hour.

#53 Quark

The DKos comment about LGF using the code to cheat on the poll was in another thread (I'm looking for it now) and was posted FROM the DKos web site to show what was going on over there. The discussion by DKos can be found here

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

There was a short discussion by LGF about using the code to "even the playing field" but that idea was dropped rather quickly.

I hope everyone who posted recommending we immitate Daily Kos' bad behaviour will kindly be quiet.

Your public comments are already being used by the morons against us.

I thought what distinguished LGFers from DKers is that we had both brains and common decency.

Those people are pathetic. I'll take everyone's word for it because I am not even going to bother reading their childish comments.

PEST my foot. They are a collective personality disorder and their common bond was to defeat Bush.

And now they think actually winning a poll by fraud is going to mean anything other than they accomplished cheating.

Do they really believe that will not make them feel like loosers?

No wonder they are so filled with rage.

@66 corpsman mom

Thanx.
As far as I can remember none of the old time lgfers have used or promoted cheating. I've been reading/posting here for nearly two years, so that is pretty consistant in honesty.

In 10 minutes, LGF went down by .1,
wonkette +.4,
the corner +.1,
Instapundit -.1,
TPM -.1,
Eschaton -.2

Does this mean anything? I don't know, but LGF has gone down from 14.0 to 13.2 in about 1.5 hours.

I REALLY hope they scrap this poll, it's useless.

I'm surprised the thread is still posted. This is the equivalent of Kos walking around with toilet paper hanging out the bottom of their pants. "Lookie, Mom - I cheated all by myself."

How pathetic. Really. No doubt this is payback for yet another stolen election.

BTW- The KOS' blog sucks. From a user's standpoint LGF kicks its tail all day long. From a coder's standpoint it's pure slop.

#64 Gines
#65 and # 70 gumby

ha,
tried to tell ya...this poll is total BS
easily hacked, and meaningful only to our adversaries (for lack of a more polite term)..

moonbattus et hackimus extremus is in full force.
so, peace be with you all.
we WILL overcome

Mongoose:

Easily hacked is right.

Now Charles is flying up to the top at a record pace.

What a joke!

#43 left wing definitions of George Bush:

Leftist: "President of the United States who emobies the ideal that any dumbass can be elected to the White House [italics mine]."

Garnier: "emobies?" ...and you're calling someone else a dumbass?

Lefty: "Illegitmiate resident of white house, placed there by his old man's judicial appointees."

Garnier: learn the fucking language before trying to comment publically on politics.

Ever notice how half the lefties who try to call Bush a moron can't even spell it?

er... publicly

OK that about discredits the whole post. I need to learn to PREVIEW

Kos, like many other leftwing blogs, is a fascist hell hole. As long as people live free without the government running their lives, the morons on the left will fight to change it. They will not be happy until everyone has submiited their lives for management by the government.

Another reminder: please don't respond in kind to the Kos Kidz, lizards. You'll just make more work for poor Kevin, who is now aware of the ballot box stuffing.

An online poll is not the most serious thing in the world, I agree.

But that's the best use of the lefty bloggers' time?

They should go write a good post their own blogs - or something - sheez.

The Wizbang people put a lot of time and effort into that whole Web Awards poll thing. There are a ton of very good blogs in it.

If lefties think it's dumb - they should just leave a comment in the comments box, for Pete's sake! Don't screw up the whole thing for everybody!

Or - better yet - if the lefties are such techies - they should go do their own lefty poll! Don't screw up someone else's!

Well, LGF readers are clearly out-hacking Kos readers now. LGF just gained 20% in the last 20 minutes. Congrats!

Seriously though, perhaps Whizbang should make some changes to their polling script, clear the totals, and start again. Ideally, they should alternate the select element's values, require an email validation, etc. Relying on cookies alone won;t cut it, and IP address validation will preclude AOL users who connect via proxies.

Wow! The Kos folks have crazy mad skillz!

Kevin needs a texas sized vacuum cleaner to clear out the ballot stuffings.

Charles,
You're not kidding. What a jump!

If the Wizbang folks thought to log IP addresses, they can back out the duplicate IP addresses from the poll results.

I just checked it out again, and LGF is up again by a long-shot. How bogus.

My theory is that the Kos-Hacks realized they were busted, so they tried to turn the game around and make LGF look bad.

It really is a shame these moonbats decided to screw up something that was supposed to be fun.

@79 Trippin

Well, LGF readers are clearly out-hacking Kos readers now. LGF just gained 20% in the last 20 minutes. Congrats!

Are you trying out for the postition of moby?

Well, it's nice to see LGF back on top. Frankly, whether or not it's pro-LGF folks or anti-LGF folks skewing the poll is irrelevant---the proof is in the posting, as it were, and Kos is exposed as the cheater. No doubt the Wizbang folks will see it that way once presented with the evidence.

Having said that I say that if the poll is destroyed, then it might as well be destroyed with LGF on top.

Stuffing ballot boxes is the only way the left can win any election these days so they have naturally become experts at the task.

#53 quark2

I read it on the Wizbang voting site.

I think there've since been more links like that one. The problem with this whole thing is that it was insecure. Anyone could write a script to cheat. It's even possible that lefties could get on here and post a comment saying "Ive just cheated!" and its going to be believed. The same thing could happen the other way ((ie. someone posting on Kos' blog pretending to be a Kosite.)

Apparently LGF is now >20% points ahead of the field, in a matter of minutes. There are a couple of idiots on both sides who have just spoilt the whole thing.

I stopped voting on the poll also. it too poorly thought out to put any attention to it.

In washington state. the democrat party obtained the names and addresses of people who did provisional votes. They then went to the democratic votes and helped the questional balloters vote correctly and returned the updated provisional ballots back to the County Election office so that they could be added into the count. There was also film on the news at night showing election workers after the election filling in the ovals on the optical ballots for ballots that didn't seem clear. some people circled them instead of filling them in. I am not sure what they thought about protest votes or if they checked to see if voters voted by absentee and by provisional. It is a system ripe for corruption.

Morals.

You vote is not a secret.
Party Canvass workers are allowed to track you down and talk to you about your vote after you cast it. Maybe you will get a second chance. If you make the right choice.
In King County, the quality of a vote once cast is not respected and it is subequently altered.

To me whether you are pub or dem, if you aren't smart enough to vote you should ask for assistance at the poll or not worry that it doesn't count.

There was a lot of integrity lost in the election.

If you want to send them comments hit the comment button here.

[Link: www.metrokc.gov...]

Before all this cheating started, LGF was in first, followed closely by Instapundit, The Corner and Powerline. Together they accounted for about 80%+ of the legitimate vote. Modest vote totals, no hacking. Kos and all the other loser blogs were waaay back in the pack.

Now, due to all sorts of double-reverse backstabbing topsy-turvy underhanded hacking, Kos has more votes than the former #2 - #4 slots combined (totally impossible), and LGF is so far out in front it's absurd (40% of overall total as of this writing). Either the entire poll needs to be jettisoned, or all the votes in the last two days need to be deleted, and the poll code rewritten.

Thank GOD these people don't control real elections. Every single one would be stolen, and they wouldn't feel the slightest compunction about it.

Can you say "totalitarians in diapers"?

Posting a voting 'bot is not cheating? Why is Kos still even listed?

QM

You also have to collect time date stamps with IP and cookie into a database. Set a session var disallow anything without the correct http headers. It is easy to see where the vote flooding occurs from. It's just a pain to fix it. The poll is a poorly designed one. AOL users can be separated out. An AOL honest voter will look different than a dishonest flooder in the database.

LGF & KOS = 0% pending recount

What a bunch of crap!
LGF, Kos, Talking Points Memo, Bitchette and Eschaton are pulled because of Kos's cheating!

What a fucking _loser_ Kos is.

QM

@89 Berliner

Apparently LGF is now >20% points ahead of the field, in a matter of minutes. There are a couple of idiots on both sides who have just spoilt the whole thing.

Unless you have proof that someone pro LGF is hacking and stuffing the ballot box, you need to retract your accusation.

You keep infering that LGF is just as bad/good as Kos.
Well, you're fishing without bait.

This whole election is a traveshamockery! We are in the middle of a recount as I type this. Will our representative democratic republic survive? Will Wonkette take her clothes off? Stay tuned.

Wizbang is not to blame for this. The poll shouldn't need to be secure. It's just a bit of fluff to lighten things up and invite people to look at blogs they normally wouldn't.

I've found it useful. I found a couple of new blogs to look at. (They had so few hits I wouldn't have found them any other way.) I had fun. So my take is that the poll is a great idea.

And once again I've seen evidence that right is not equally to be found on both sides in politics.

Best advice, from Charles #77: "Another reminder: please don't respond in kind to the Kos Kidz, lizards. You'll just make more work for poor Kevin, who is now aware of the ballot box stuffing."

LGF *** Pending 0.4%
Daily Kos *** Pending recount 0.4%
Lawrence Lessig 0.3%
Talking Points Memo *** Pending recount 0.0%
Eschaton *** Pending recount 0.0%
Wonkette *** Pending recount 0.0%

LGF is just "pending," while the others are "pending recount." That should mean something.

No way to do a user SID as the criteria for ID?

How do you know if you are pathetic?

1) You spend time writing code to cheat in an online poll to vote for your favorite website.

#91 - Thank GOD these people don't control real elections. Every single one would be stolen, and they wouldn't feel the slightest compunction about it.

Can you say "totalitarians in diapers"?

Boy are you absolutely 100% right. The Left comprise the biggest bunch of self-righteous nazis I have ever seen.

Poor wenchette has 0%

Come to daddy girl ...

What the hell does best have to do with it when we're voting for it!? Voting just indicates - even if it's fair - which blog is most preferred. "Best" is a subjective qualifier. The top-grossing movie is rarely the best, just the one that most people pay to see. Voting online for a blog is like signing an on-line petition; utterly silly.

Terrific. They've managed to freeze up the page.

I also note, though the page is frozen and I can't vote, that it says Kos, Talking Points, Wonkette and LGF are (Pending Recount).

Is anybody else able to vote?

manofaiki

# 96 quark2 12/4/2004 10:10PM PST

@89 Berliner

Apparently LGF is now >20% points ahead of the field, in a matter of minutes. There are a couple of idiots on both sides who have just spoilt the whole thing.

Unless you have proof that someone pro LGF is hacking and stuffing the ballot box, you need to retract your accusation.

You keep infering that LGF is just as bad/good as Kos.
Well, you're fishing without bait.

Here is bait:

Well, that was fun. Got LGF up to 40% with Kos' own script. Honestly I don't care if LGF wins or not---like a SwiftVet voting in the 2004 election, I wasn't voting FOR LGF so much as AGAINST Kos. Yeah, the poll is busted---but that was well before I arrived. I just figured that if the Kos folks were going to be that stupid, they ought to at least get a Three Stooges plonk on the head before the poll was shut down or fixed.

Someone was doing pretty good tracking my moves and blocking my IP addresses as I used them. But it would have been a losing battle---I had many, many more to choose from.

Still, my point was not to win. In fact, because I only used a few IP addresses, it really won't be hard to fix the results and remove my votes. Indeed, it shouldn't be hard to fix ALL the rigging if one were to weed out multiple votes from the same IP address.

Posted by: dude at December 5, 2004 12:36 AM

-

I hate this. The whole attitude is wrong.

Wizbang created a good game - I won't call it a poll - that could have been fun and an opportunity for everyone to play well with others and learn something. There are lots of good blogs out there that could use new readers. Charles gave good advice: play by the rules. But Kossacks cheated, and now it's a mess.

It's not very far from the justifications they give ("didn't lock the door") to massive denial attacks on people's servers.

I like the standard "type in the number or word you see here" anti-cheat mechanism. It's not 100% fool-proof, but it at least stops massive scripts like this.

On the other hand... a script like this does make it easy to ferret out the cheaters. "Gee, 5000 votes from the same IP address..." It's much harder to stop intelligent cheaters.

David_Blue,

Any proof that "Dude" is a Lizardiod? The handle is unfamiliar, and the writing style doesn't read like any of the distinctive regulars.

Voting online for a blog is like signing an on-line petition; utterly silly.

So then don't participate, Kelly. We'll live, I assure you.

#96 quark2

I am not fishing for anything. If you've been following this as I have you will know that there have been claims posted on the three sites (Kos, 2004 Awards, and LGF) where voters either claimed to have cheated, or posted scripts, or gave instructions on how to cheat. The idiot who started it was the Kos loonie who posted the script and cheated. Even if he was doing it because he thought Kevin's Award website is a joke, it's just a dumb thing to do. Unfortunately, it looks like the inanity diffused elsewhere. As David Blue pointed out in #107 there has been at least one "dude" who admitted to boosting the LGF total to "vote against" kos. And Mr. Pol on the last thread gave instructions on how to cheat to another member who "wanted 20 or 30" ballots. I don't know if they did anything wrong. But like David, I think whoever's been cheating is silly, and Charles was right to warn in #77 against it. I'm not inferring that one blog is "just as good/bad" as another. I'm saying whoever's doing it are clowns. And that definitely doesn't reflect on Charles who has no control over what some random poster does.

These tactics are probably what made the early exit polls show that Kerry was ahead in the Presidential election.

Hmm, rather than criticize the methodology or accuse the site/poll of anti-lefty bias, they attack it physically. Markos is a sad, sad little man who's out of ideas. Though one woman had some sense to suggest, merely suggest, that this rookie move does not do much for Kos's credibility.

#110 Cyberludite: "Any proof that "Dude" is a Lizardiod? The handle is unfamiliar, and the writing style doesn't read like any of the distinctive regulars."

I don't even have any proof that he was telling the truth.

I just saw something that seemed relevant and possibly enlightening, and added it to the conversation. Whether it is right is another matter. That's a judgment call.

My call, on reflection, is that I think he was telling the truth; and he didn't seem like a Lizardoid; and he did seem like "someone pro LGF" in that he was ticked off by Kos cheating and chose to even the score in this way.

Hacking insecure and poorly written online polls or software is a _good_ thing. In this way software becomes stronger and more secure.

Consider it 'survival of the fittest' for software.

Hm...so the response to cheating on the part of the cheaters is that it was an unscientific poll anyway, that none of it really matters, and that they didn't protect the system well enough to stop them from doing it, so they deserved to have their site bombarded with cheaters.

If your house is sitting out in the open you deserve to get robbed.

Everyone cheats, so everyone should cheat.

None of it really matters anyway.

Well, cheating matters and you're still a cheat.

Not at all surprised that it all started with the A) "moral", B) "liberal", c) "enlightened" ones at Daily Kos.

Answer D for "none of the above".

#177 armytramp
You forgot; "She wasn't waering a bra, so sh deserved to be raped".

The left is definitely in meltdown mode.

PIMF whine

We wuz robbed! Someones gotta pay!

Can someone explain the rating numbers on the posts at Kos? Is that some kind of left wing Gestapo thing?

It wouldn't even have occurred to me to try cheating an online vote. Big deal.

IMO all the complaining about cheating the vote -- the REAL vote, the US elections, is an awful lot of projecting.

Back when I was younger, someone told me "the measure of a person is not what they choose to do when they will get caught. The true measure is what they choose to do when there is no fear of being caught".

There is a morality theory out there that aggrees with Kos's Kids that just because you can do something, it means you should do it. They take into account no thought of morality, right and wrong, just simply if you did not want me to do something wrong you should have prevented me.

My 6 year old son uses the same argument with the halloween candy. "Daddy, if you didn't want me to eat it, you should have locked it up instead of just telling me not to eat it".

Daddy, it's your fault, not mine.

Are 6 year olds posting at Kos?

So, let me see if I understand this: Kos-monauts lost all 15 candidates they supported in the real elections on Nov. 2, so now they stoop to cheating to win a Web site popularity poll?

As many of you have already said it shows liberals to be without anything akin to honor, morals or decency.

I'm calling for Kos to be tossed from the Awards for vote rigging. I hope others with blogs do the same.

This isn't an important issue in the big scheme of things, but I'm of the opinon that you have to put your foot down somewhere.

Allahuakbar!

#124 Village Idiot's Apprentice

I know exactly what you mean. Similarly, my 13-year old nephew lived with me last year and after one particularly nasty episode (which ultimately resulted in my putting him out --he now lives with his aunt, my sister), he said (close paraphrase), "All this could have been avoided if you would've left me alone about my homework!" It was MY fault he wasn't performing up to his capabilities at school...

btw, your nom de blog is great. reminds of the #1 worst job in the world, I think from letterman: Assistant Crack Whore

Seems Kos *and* LGF have been disqualified according to the Best Blogs page today.

Quite clever of Kos. He was getting his ass whipped, so he instructed his followers to cheat, thus rendering the whole shebang illegitimate.

I understand Kos is a big democratic party donor. If they would do this to win this silly election contest, what would they do to win say a Presidential election?

#117 armytramp

I think you responded to my post, so let me respond.

I didn't address the ethical and moral aspects of cheating.

I'm happy that the insecurities in this poll showed up during the voting, as opposed to showing up after the voting and LGF 'won'. Can you imagine the chatter at KOS then?

LLL
"LGF only won because they hacked the votes. See how easy it is to hack with these simple scripts?"
/LLL

"If your house is sitting out in the open you deserve to get robbed."

Not at all, nothing absolves criminal behavior. But humans have been guarding/locking their homes for thousands of years.

"Everyone cheats, so everyone should cheat."

No, everyone does not cheat. But enough people cheat that we should build systems that withstand cheating. Something along the lines of 'trust but verify.

I wasn't addressing your post, #130, as you can see from comments that you now say do not address what you said in your post, re, the ethical and moral aspects of cheating. They don't refer to you because I wasn't responding to you.

No biggee.

I can't believe some of the comments I'm reading on this thread.

What's wrong with you people? Kevin's "crime" in not securing his site from hackers was, like 9/11, a failure of imagination. Who would have thought that anyone would be crass enough, or cynical enough, or so lacking in compassion and empathy (two words that are rubbed in our faces by the Kossites every chance they get) that they would take the hard work of someone and corrupt it?

Anyone (and I agree that dude is not a regular) who would imitate such activity is to be condemned for the philistine that they are.

#132

I will, however, respond to you.

100% agreement.

This is for all the KOS street urchins, thieves and Scoundrals:

"Jesus is Watching You" and a parrot named Moses too.

Click "Watch this film" and get your coffee during the commercial.

#129 smittyhere:

Yeah, it's a shame (for them) that there's no LWP in real life, that is to say, off the internet. Otherwise they might not be REAL-election looosers.

Havoc (#134),

LOL! Perfect.

How about this? I went to vote and it told me I had voted already and it was my first time to the site!
What shysters!

#137 Atlas Shrugged

You are not the only one! After reading a post by Sean Gleeson, on the death cult thread, re the _mm letter to and about Sean (click on above), I went to vote for him, and he is in an obscure category, Best of the Top 1000 - 1750 Blogs, I could not...same problem you had. And the date was messed up. BTW, I had not ever voted on that category.

It seems that the poll is so hopelessly screwed up that it ought to be taken down; back to the drawing board!

The problem is that the KOSites actually do this to get LGF to respond to them. They are crying out for attention, any attention. The LGF Minions community seems to be much larger than KOSites. I estimate 3 to 1 and growing. Any attention LGF gives KOS is just more free traffic for his advertisers and they acutally have somthing to talk about when LGFr's start posting on KOS in response to thier latest "Love me Daddy" attention grabbing stunds.

They are trying to justify in thier own minds that it's "eye for an eye" rational in response to percieved cheating on the right wings part. Blame others for thier own inadequacies and then try to justy Mafia group think thuggish tactics in response.

Here are the reasons some of us are not able to vote...

Anyone on AOL will have to use something like IE..I just did, and it works.

Why kos has not been removed, and banned totally I can't understand. A hate site does not qualify as a blog that deserves to be included with LGF or any of the real blogs. He and his slavish followers are a cult, so help me. I wonder if he serves KoolAid™ to his troops when the time comes that he is ostracized, and exposed for what a certified weasel he really is.

Reading their comments is painful..semi-literate? Not even that good!

This just in from the infamous 'Dude' over at the weblog thread:

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Hey there---dude here. You might rememeber me from over here. Well, it's funny what a night's sleep will do. I truly feel bad for all the extra work I created for Kevin. No, I was NOT responsible for ruining the poll; that fault sits squarely on the shoulders of that original Kos poster and his cohorts. I was the one that used their own script to inflate the LGF vote totals, though; and what I did not appreciate at the time is just how much extra work I was creating for Kevin. I really do feel bad about that. I mean, it was clear enough that the poll was ruined without my efforts to make it more obvious (and more work to correct).

So anyway, I offer my anonymous but sincere apology to all of you here. I have offered a non-anonymous apology to Kevin via email, and I've even let my university know what I did so that they don't have to scrounge through a bunch of logs to figure out who Kevin is so pissed at when he calls to complain :)
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#144 Rayra

"Sure, sure. Tired rationalization of the Cracker / hacker community, spoken as defense to their Anarchist / nihilist / Childish destruction."

Not a rationalization. A computer security fact. How many major security holes would still be in deployed software if hackers/crackers hadn't publicly pointed out those holes?

I've tested software for a living. Without external pressure, no company is going to spend a penny fixing software it has already sold. Too busy coding features they are about to sell. Open source (Linux, *bsd is a different story and a topic for a different post)

In the longer view, all security gets better when regularly tested.

Politics "Anarchist / nihilist / Childish" aside, the age old race between attacker and defender happens on the Internet. I'd rather know about the faults and fixes than blindly trust anything.

Quite clever of Kos. He was getting his ass whipped, so he instructed his followers to cheat, thus rendering the whole shebang illegitimate.

Yes, this makes perfect sense. I'm sure that's exactly what happened.

Hey there---dude here. You might rememeber me from over here. Well, it's funny what a night's sleep will do. I truly feel bad for all the extra work I created for Kevin. No, I was NOT responsible for ruining the poll; that fault sits squarely on the shoulders of that original Kos poster and his cohorts. I was the one that used their own script to inflate the LGF vote totals, though; and what I did not appreciate at the time is just how much extra work I was creating for Kevin. I really do feel bad about that. I mean, it was clear enough that the poll was ruined without my efforts to make it more obvious (and more work to correct).

So anyway, I offer my anonymous but sincere apology to all of you here. I have offered a non-anonymous apology to Kevin via email, and I've even let my university know what I did so that they don't have to scrounge through a bunch of logs to figure out who Kevin is so pissed at when he calls to complain :)

Wow. That was the right thing to do. Good for him!