"Throw champagna in my face once- shame on you. Throw champagna in my face twice- shame on me." Christopher Walken as the Continental, on SNL.

Seems kinda appropriate that SeeBS would be going to the very people that tried to haul Kenny's arse outta the fire over Memogate to back up yet another biased report. What do they hope to accomplish by bringing some of the most deranged minds on the blogosphere to the table? Beyond further distancing themselves from the level-headed mainstream?

That's real nice that CBS has the time to call up the idiotarians. I guess that means their "internal investigation" must be all wrapped up, huh?

Shout this from the housetops!

The power of blogs. They want their audience back. Ask for terms, don't let them just surrender fully armed.

#4 Ward Cleaver

Better get out on all the conservative Talk Radio stations in your area

Better call June that you'll be late for dinner.

Have I said it enough? Nothing will change at CBS. The upcoming report will Whitewash CBS' election fraud and cooperation with the DNC, meanwhile Dan Rather has free rein to continue to air his anti -American pro-Democrat biases as "news". He used 60 minutes as a tool to lie and smear a President in order to unseat him. CBS refuses to separate Rather from his toolbox. In fact they are giving him a more prominent role there. How's that for CBS giving a big middle finger salute to those that have critized them?

I just sent this to Drudge.

Anti-war bloggers PLUS deserters PLUS CBS=

the recipe for being hated by 85 % of the American People.

The pinko media are so stupid that we couldn't even purposely build them so stupid.

Do what I do, don't buy CBS.

So the propoganda machine churns on!

Koffi paying for this?

The local CBS radio affiliate was pushing this on my way to work this morning. The sample segment that they played make me sick.

Sooo, they consult bloggers for this anti-war story, but they never contacted LGF/powerline about the TANG memo investigation...
if it weren't for double standards, the left wouldn't have any standards at all.

That's a riot - looks like that phone call backfired on cBS. Ha ha ha.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

This seems like an obvious next step for CBS considering that after the memo scandal they've been losing mainstream viewers left and right. With their bias and agenda appealing mainly to the lunatic fringe it makes sense for them to go to that source of the lunatic fringe that is the left-wing blog. They can do a whole series of leftist propaganda stories that appease the nutty blogs. I can picture a story on this idiotic Ohio recount that would drive the LLL's over at DU wild.

I can't imagine anybody with the sense G-d gave a goose ever again regarding "60 Minutes" as a credible source.

Looks as if CBS knows its audience.

So CBS is going to become the video version of Pacifica Radio . . .

They're so freaking blatant in their absolute bias.

Well, CBS knows who its friends are

Tim McNabb
fivehundredwords.com

Sent this to Sean Hannity and Michael Savage too.

Just saw this link on the Anti-CAIR website:

*Employee Of Steve Emerson's Investigative Project
Found Dead In D.C. - F.B.I. Investigating

Gee, do ya think this might be coordination?

And so the slide under the waves continues...
It's like watching the sinking of the Titanic.

Tiffany Network, my ass. More like tinfoil.

So this is a surprise? Dan the Mad Man has clout, CLOUT, no matter how CBS spins it. It's past the election, the MSM needs fresh blood to continue on it's neverending quest to bring down Bush. For all those MSM's who were too young to get in on the Vietnam War, the Iraq War is manna from the Pulitzer Gods.

True to form.SeeBS is going to become the NPR of TVLand... They show their scorn by not firing Rather...

Anyone wanna bet that when their " internal investigation" of Memogate is published Mapes doesnt get the boot ?

Publicist: "Now, we can't pay you anything, but I can guarantee you 15 minutes of fame and a spot on the news with our esteemed..."

Heh heh heh. I wonder what CBS is planning to give them in return, after bad-mouthing the pajamahadeen to the skies (the dirt?) Even as a left-wing blogger, I'd say no. Stab me in the back once, shame on you. Stab me in the back twice, shame on me.

However, I guess some people are just greedy enough for publicity to do it. But then, I wonder if the rest of the liberal blogosphere would smell blood in the water and turn on them as a sellout?

What difference does it make? The only people still watching CBS are Dan Rather's daughter and a couple of distant cousins.

This is just great. I know it shouldn't be at this point but I am still amazed how the CBS and the rest of the MSM has plenty of time for deserters who broke faith with their comrades but no time for the brave men and women who are prosectuting a war against our enemies.

Why isn't their a story every night on each network and every morning in each paper on an act of bravery or kindness done by a soldier, sailor, airman or marine? God knows there's plenty of such stories to be told. But the MSM doesn't have time for that. Deserters? Sure. Got a little rough with a prisoner? They can find lots of space for that. Geniune hero? Mmm, maybe we can get to that next week or not.

Someday these reporters and editors are going to have to be held accountable for providing aid and comfort to the enemy. Damn them all to hell.

' Other liberal/anti-war bloggers who have talked about the upcoming story in preparation for tonight's broadcast include No Capital, Daily War News, Bankrupt Artist v.3

These blogs link to the same CBS News story that Kelley linked to after being contacted. '

. Having been defeated by the awesome power of the new secret weapon, Dan, high in the tower they call 'Black Rock', brooded and laid his plans:

' Blogs ? We'll get our own Blogs - dozens of them - and they'll all link back to ME! '

Democrats seem to hate Bush more than terrorist threat

It will no doubt be well balanced with interviews of Iraqis voicing praise for the heroism and conduct of our troops, and soldiers who support the war cause despite the vagaries of combat...

And then ...something involving the easter bunny...

Look, they just don't get it
they never got it

the effective bloggers are us
they have seen the enemy and they think its them

task about preaching to the converted...
Seebs is really to be pitied, talk about being delusional

Counterattack is needed again, until Dan Rather shrieks on Air like a howler monkey...

More of the same from SeeBS. And yet I know people who roll their eyes when I mention a media bias!

re: 31

Well put.

In their war coverage the MSM always portray our soldiers as either bullies or victims, but never as heroes.

#31 ferris

Damn them all to hell.

Great post!
I can't, for the life of me, understand the continued denial of the reality, and the constant confusion that the MSM has over right versus wrong, good versus evil.

I once came into contact with 60 Minutes years ago for a report they were doing. They were unbelievably corrupt. I mean, their producer travelled with a big roll of twenty dollar bills and peeled them off liberally to grease their way through whatever obstacle they encountered.

Here is the latest entry into the MSM Nightly News shows.

Dan Rather and his co-host, Lawrence O'Donnell, analysts include Maureen Dowd, Molly Ivins (have to put her behind one of those screens), Eleanor Clift, Terry McAuliffe, Bill Clinton, Al Sharpton, Kevin Sites, and Robin Williams.

They need a name, any ideas?

Seriously, it is SICKENING that they are giving the media darling limelight treatment to fucking DESERTERS, and have never done anything positive, or even remotely objective,

on the men and women serving bravely in our armed forces who are sticking with the job.

Its a blatant back handed slap in the face of all of our true fighting men and women.

Heaven forbid they should deviate from their pre-ordained traitorous, defeatist fucking script.

#31 ferris 12/8/2004 02:48PM PST

Why isn't their a story every night on each network and every morning in each paper on an act of bravery or kindness done by a soldier, sailor, airman or marine? God knows there's plenty of such stories to be told.

Like this one?

I wonder what kind of PJ's they wear when they are working for CBS...

CBS jammies perhaps ?

I tried looking for them, couldn't find them though

Luigi -

How much did you get off em?

The guy stuffed a 20 into my pocket and drove off.

Luigi-

What was the story about?

As a Viet Nam vetern I'm getting a sick feeling. The MSM and the Left are stepping up their war against the war and the men fighting it. Deserters will be interviewed, atrocity stories will be told and retold endlessly, "Iraqi Veterns Against the War" groups (full of phony veterns) will metastisize and receive unlimited publicity. The troops in Iraq will be smeared, stereotyped and sold out again.

It's already begun.

#42 BUBBLE GIRL

They need a name, any ideas?

uh...shit-for-brains

#23 LSD - I hope it wasn't murder.

My site isn't an anti-war blog, per se. I'm a Canadian, and I find the story interesting... either decision will set a precedent for how we treat deserters from the USA, and so I linked a couple of stories that I was able to dig up.

I suppose I can understand how my current front page of posts might appear to be anti-war to a degree, as I have the post about the 2004weblogawards at [Link: foo.ca...] as well, where I talk about what appears to be an obvious bias, but I'm no protest march attending pot smoking hippy. ;)

#42 Bubble Girl

My name for 'em - fu**ing trash

MSM name - Objective and nuanced panel

OT: LGF has slipped to third in the Best Blog Awards!

VOTE LGF

Is there a depth below which CBS and Dan Rather cannot further sink?

According to CBS -

We shouldn't have gone into Iraq at all.
Then we went too fast.
Now it's taking too long.
We took too many troops
Now we didn't take enough
There weren't any WMD's
The Iraq's looted the WMD's that weren't there
We destroyed their infrastructure (they had none)
We're spending too much money rebuilding the infrastructure
Blah, blah, blah, bitch, bitch, bitch...

G#$dd$#$mnded CBS Goldilocks...

You know who is really gonna be upset when he gets word of this?

Algore. And the investors he suckered into his liberal network deal. That's who.

I'm pretty sure that's one business plan that skipped or skimped on the Competitive Threats section.

They were just shooting background footage for a story. I was a pr man. My job was to help them with some logistics like transport and dealing with local authorities. The hard part wasn't my job. The hard part was getting the 60 Minutes guy to stop trying to bribe everybody for just doing their job. It was getting in the way of people doing their jobs.

The thing that really bothered me was the casualness of his corruption. It was like a sickness. He was dealing with human beings who had some pride in their work, and he just couldn't keep from stuffing 20's into their shirt. Some people are insulted by this.

Now, you can say a person whose mania is to give away 20 dollar bills might be indistinguishable from Santa Claus, but somehow it was pernicious.

#41 Luigi

I mean, their producer travelled with a big roll of twenty dollar bills and peeled them off liberally to grease their way through whatever obstacle they encountered.

Ah, doing a report on the UN or the AFL-CIO?

#49 Paul

Although I think you are correct regarding the MSM/Left's attempt to degrade the men and women serving, I don't think (of course, I could be wrong, but I hope to G-d not) that they will have the impact that was achieved in the past. There is too much information flowing freely nowadays. Hell, my buddy split his groin ligaments in half during a training jump. The only thing that pissed him off about it, is that he can't go (I guess couldn't go) back in November. Now he has to wait until the end of January.

F'em. The traitorous MSM can not and will not sucker the American populace into doing the same thing they did when you and your brothers and sister got back. At least not to me they won't.

#49 Paul

You are right, Paul. We are going down the same path as Vietnam. Not only with the "objective" media beginning to focus on the deserters, there will be some, but they will be exactly the same as Kerry and the VVAW. His group was stacked with posers, this time, any guy who claims he is an Iraqi War Vet and belongs to a group like VVAW should get the third eye.

The Vietnam War was covered by only the three networks, they got away with whatever they wanted, not this time. No way am I going to let some anti-war group get away with what the VVAW did. It's time to slam those bastards back. The men and women who serve today in Iraq need us to watch their backs for them over here. The LLL protesters back then got away with a lot of crap, we don't need an enemy within as well as the terrorists. See through it for what they are, spoiled assholes.

#49 Paul

It's already begun.

Don't kid yourself, it never stopped.

Luigi -

Good observation. The guy really did sound weird. I stopped watching 60 minutes after the "hard ball" Bill and Hillary Clinton interview in 1991. What a joke...

There are no hard ball interviewers anymore, they're interested in making money, not expose anything we need to know...

Quick ROBIN!

To that BAT-Laptop!

#60 & 61

Maybe you're right, the old MSM monopoly no longer exists and there are ways for getting the truth out didn't exist 35 years ago (like LGF). But the Left is highly organized, well funded, experienced and they know that the MSM will provide unlimited support (hell, they're interchangable). It going to require great effort and time to fight them effectively; we have to be as motivated as they are.

#65 Paul . . .

It going to require great effort and time to fight them effectively; we have to be as motivated as they are.

We are. Our civilization depends on it, and a lot of us know it. We also have an incredible pool of collective knowledge that we can use against the MSM, unlike the old days.

Vietnam may be their template, but it is also ours. THAT story has already been played out, so now we can make the ending different.

Furthermore, as a poster on LGF said earlier, once the ordinary people come to understand that with Islam comes no fun, liquor, casual sex, sexy ads, co-educational education, etc. etc. etc., they're gonna lose their support.

Livestock has more credibility than CBS. I'm serious.

My only comment on the Rathergate/60 minutes thing has to do with a comment Rather made when being interviewed by Bill O'Reilly several years ago...ostensibly about Clinton and whether the former president could be considered an 'honorable' man. Rathers' answer spoke to himself directly, I've realized...less to the politician he was trying to defend. He said, "I believe a man can be honorable and lie about any number of things." My jaw dropped...as did my opinion of Rather...and his point of ethics. Nothing else he's done since, has surprised me.

#65 Paul

It going to require great effort and time to fight them effectively; we have to be as motivated as they are.

Have faith. The MSM are losing viewers in droves every year and technology has provided other means of obtaining information (eg. LGF). I would worry when govt. bodies, like the UN has been trying to do the last few years, try to filter the net for "hate speech." The fight has begun, but the left's stance and tactics are well known and predictable. They fear, and therefore hate, us more than we realized and that makes the left all the more dangerous.

#66 Promethea

Agree with your post in its entirety.

Vietnam may be their template, but it is also ours. THAT story has already been played out, so now we can make the ending different.

My father once said, a democrat (LBJ) sent me there (Vietnam), but a Republican (Nixon) brought me home. He was a big Kenndy fan, but has been voting GOP since 72' much to the demise of my grandfather (WWII vet & lifelong Teamster). Their template has always been skewed, but the Amercian families who had relatives in Nam have known that for decades.

I am also becoming concerned about the waning support for the war in Iraq. Even Fox News has become more cautious in their comentary & reporting.

Yesterday, as I watched President Bush's speech to the Marines, he didn't seem to be as gung-ho as previous "rally the troops" events. And today Rummy got hit with some pretty hard questions from the soldiers in Kuwait.

We really need to mount a huge show of support for the troops, and do whatever we can to prevent the MSM from eroding this country's resolve.

Do NOT underestimate the power of MSM to sway public opinion.

Actually I think all this is good news. More proof that all these bozos - CBS, all the rest of the MSM, Hollywood, Dims in general - haven't learned a damn thing from their recent drubbing at the polls.

They are going to keep on making the same stupid mistakes, and keep getting the same results.

Rejoice and be thankful, fellow conservatives and LGFers - the pendulum swing in our direction has lots and lots more room.

#58 Luigi

The thing that really bothered me was the casualness of his corruption. It was like a sickness. He was dealing with human beings who had some pride in their work, and he just couldn't keep from stuffing 20's into their shirt. Some people are insulted by this.

Now, you can say a person whose mania is to give away 20 dollar bills might be indistinguishable from Santa Claus, but somehow it was pernicious.

Oddly enough, I wouldn't find myself insulted by that. Unless they stopped stuffin' the 20s too soon. If somebody wants to bribe me, they'd best start on larger denomination bills. Otherwise my shirt is gonna look all funny.

Perhaps it's time we go after CBS's sponsors.

Charles,

Be prepared to defend your conclusions again. Which includes re-posting the document evidence at the top of your website. I have a stong feeling that this is going to be white washed you with several other right wing bloggers will try to be swept under the carpet or even discredited. The CBS Dog and Pony show will start very soon. The MSM will not help out at all and this includes Fox News They will all probably back up the Pro CBS conlusions that we already expect to see in that report.

The laws regarding Journalistic Accountability need to be re-evalutated just as the US Intelligence bill was.

Ann Coulter seem to be correct.

It's going to be a long Pajama Party for bloggers.

#33 Zulubaby

It's nice to see a "Second City" paper get's it correct.
The Chicago Sun Times.

Just heard the blurb from CBS, less my ears were wrong there have been "thousands" of deserters?! Did I hear right? What basis for their claim that "thousands have deserted?

bah. Why is CBS even doing this story?

The dang military is all volunteer... The aging lefties are desperate for a student revolt against military service the is no longer forced on anyone...

I don't care about the couple of deserters who have fled to Canada. Screw them (to use a Kos phrase). They are criminals here. Whether they get to stay in Canada is up to Canada.

But they should NEVER be allowed back. Period. No Jimmy Carter pardon five years down the line.

You abandon your responsibilities you have made a choice.

If the Canadians decide they don't want your ass and send you back you do some time at leavenworth.

and word to what ferris said in #31.

Don't try to post a comment on BankruptArtist. They won't take it.

there have not been anything like a thousand deserters...

i hate the fricking MSM.

there have maybe been a thousand guys late getting back from leave because of snowstorms...

man. I fricking hate that CBS is glorfying these dicks and ignoring the 2 Million people who are doing their duty. There have to be several thousand guys who are on their third tour in a combat zone in this war... the military is managing just fine to recruit and retain excellent people... some number that I bet is pretty far south of 10 go to Canada and its a 60 minutes episode (with some kind of wierd appeal to the left blogs for back up no less)...

Even within the Volunteer Army, the paratroopers are also volunteers. This jerk just went into it for the money and can't stand the responsibility.

Large institutions don't suddenly lay down and die, or turn on a dime and reform, even if their uselessness and decadence is apparent to all sensible people(Exhibit B: the UN). But take heart from this, Paul. The MSM threw everything, and I mean everything, they could dream up at Dubya during the election and they still lost. Their venom is in direct proportion to their sense of desperation.

Not entirely OT: Surely other lizards caught Maureen Dowd's two recent "poor,poor pitiful me" columns which attacked her own family.

You see, MoDo's family consists of die-hard Republicans who don't seem too impressed by their relative's lofty position at the NYTimes. In fact, Mo lamented that her sister worked the phones for BC04 in West Virginia. In the first column, after crying about how hard Thanksgiving is when you're a lib in a conservative family (having some experience with that situation in reverse I can sympathize to a certain extent - except that I would not ridicule the views of my own family in a nationally syndicated column because of words exchanged over the cranberry sauce.) she goes on to quote, almost in full, a rant written by her brother Kevin. Kevin Dowd did a very good job of explaining exactly why he voted for Bush and why the MSM is not credible, but unfortunately, none of her sibling's good sense rubbed off on MoDo. You can tell that after her snarky opening lines about her backward, idiot family, she thought to herself "I'll stick Kevin's E-mail in the column so the world can see what an moron my brother is." Instead, the world got to see (once again) what a graceless individual she is.

In the second column, MoDo is once again caterwauling about how much she hates Christmas (much like LGF's own Julia the Horrible). She brings up her awful "traditionalist" Irish family again, plus a raft of old boyfriends who didn't pan out. It's too materialistic, shopping's a pain, blah, blah, blah.

Now remember, this miserable creature is not some forlorn, lonely temp worker shivering away in a studio apartment the size of a shoebox somewhere in big, cold, heartless NYC. (Although miserable forlorn lonely LLL's in Manhattan with conservative families in the sticks probably read her column and believe she's a sister spirit.) This is a wealthy woman who gets to air her vapid opinions in the NYT and on TV. Her Bush-bashing book did pretty good on the best seller list. She's the darling of Manhattan LLL's. She probably has a closet full of Prada and Kate Spade. And yet her own mom (a cop's widow) and her own siblings don't listen to her and dare to tell her she's fulla crap when she goes home for the holidays! Poor, poor, poor MoDo! What does it say about you when you're considered a "brilliant" pundit by your peers, but you can't convince your own family?

The vision of MoDo getting lectured on "red state values" as she sulks and picks at her turkey and dressing is priceless, isn't it?

"Look, Mo, we don't give a damn about what Kitty Kelley told you at some Upper West Side party. We like Dubya, OK? And what was with that column you wrote last Wednesday about Cheney? Honey, are you on crack or something? That column was just whacked!"

@65 Paul

Don't let this give you an ulcer and sleepless nights. My husband is a Viet Nam vet too. The only credit he's recieved for his service for his country is usually from family members, or brother vets down at the VA hospital. He's totally disabled because of that war, but does not regret one moment of service. He's proud he was able to volunteer. He didn't wait to be drafted, he left college and joined up.
If the Stupid Bull Shitters at tiffany's broadcasting company want to start digging dirt again, they'll find it being dumped right back into their faces. Every program and every article they publish will be fact checked by thousands of bloggers. Every error will be loudly broadcast over the internet, once again showing what liars they are.

rabidfox:

I do take comments, but some are held if the computer suspects they're spam. I've had some pretty bad spam attacks about online gambling and viagra, so I installed some software. I don't censor comments that are non-spam related.

Your comment is visible at:[Link: foo.ca...]

If you read the page after you submit your comment, it will give you an option on how to make the comment active via email...

AAAHHh, I see it now! PowerLine, LGF, Captains Quarters are just pathetic little people in their pajamas, while these anti war losers are a growing grass roots network of concerned, principled activists, a veritable groundswell of enlightened opinion, the genus of a new antiwar movement.

They will have instant legitimacy, we will, of course, remain the great unwashed.

It aint gonna work!

For all my disagreements with Quakers, I've nearly none with Martin Kelley. I simply respect his POV as a deeply religious man. I have written him a few times and he's always been quite decent & intelligent, willing to listen, willing to agree to disagree, etc.

Looking at the CBS 'courting', I've little doubt that he's being very scupulous in how he's putting it, and I've little doubt that he finds it somewhat amusing, even cynical on their part. Martin is concerned almost solely with issues related to Quakers and increasing *their* visibility/viability, and not with saving CBS's bacon.

C?BS!

I suppose in every war has those kinds of idiots.

What makes me so sad about it is that I would give anything for the honor of service to this cause.

Not just with my time and my words but my life if required.

My time was a long time ago - but I still wish I was in this fight.

--==--

BTW did you notice the troops telling Rummy just what they need? And where they are disatisfied.

This Army still has the Spirit of the American Militia which elected its own officers.

This is very good.

Good command is two way.

At some point we must recognize and use the power of our pocketbooks!

As you watch the MSM or even your local TV news broadcast outlet, pay attention to what it says and who pays for it. If the message goes beyond the delivery of unbiased news, let the advertisers know that you love them dearly, but as long as they show up in the local adv minutes for the MSM, you'll withhold your purchases from them for a period of time, say three months or so. Don't tell them you'll NEVER, EVER buy their product. It sounds shrill and probably won't work. Just lay off a few months and tell them you'll do your best to convince your family, neighbors and friends to do the same. They'll get the message.

Every day we should recall the impact of thousands of us who reached out and touched advertisers who were involved in that obscene piece of President and Mrs. Reagan. It disappeared onto a cable channel and never saw the light of day on the MSM.

We can do this. Our purchasing dollars need to be used thoughtfully. Individually, we may be a small noise to the MSM; collectively we can truly get their attention.

Looks like "SEE B.S. " still likes to hire Pecker-heads.

Those bloggers and posters who are conduits of propaganda will become known as such--they are already known as such. Those who are conduits of truth will gain increasing credibility.

There's a lot of good news here today, and mostly it has to do with how fast we are on to these propagandists--and we call them on it.

And they will fade and die and be replaced with a new crop of liars...

Fellow LGFrs--stay with the battle. We're winning.

He's right I wouldn't want "died deluded in Iraq" on my headstone either, "Incredible disloyal pussy" sounds sooo much better. Can't wait for his kids to ask "Daddy what did you do during the war?"

Dadzilla is an idiot. What are you doing during this war? What were you doing during the Gulf War besides living with your mom? I think you are the pussy, Dadzilla. How come you are afraid to join the military and fight like the rest of us? You don't give a shit about anyone but yourself. You atheist pussy.