Whats CBS? Is that the network that I deleted on my channel changer?

Spin, baby, spin!

They'll run the report but who will be watching?
And who did Koz raise all that money for?

Fast OT:

French Cry babies don't like Israelis laughing at them!

Hilarious:

..bloggers are writing in the Wild West of cyberspace. There remains no code of ethics, or even an employer, to enforce any standard.

and this:

Internet blogs are providing a new and unregulated medium for politically motivated attacks.

In other words-it's OK for MSM journalists to be politically biased and ethically challenged because they are liberals, but opposing views should be regulated on the internet. Ga!

I didn't get my check from Karl Rove!

Y'know, I'm thinking a CBS insider could make a ton of money for breaking ranks with a tell-all. I mean post-Goldberg. Trouble is that most of the folks in positions to get the juicy tidbits are firmly loyal to the hammer and sickle.

Can we get the pics of the CBS van back up? That was a hoot.

#1 gymnast: I've got a pretty fancy cable box at home, and I wonder if they gather/use any statistics on what channels are locked out. Chances are most of us aren't watching the Ceeb anyhow, but maybe doing this would help send a message.

Oh and how does CBS news propose that blogs be regulated?

This is actually good news. CBS is starting to wake up to the reality of the blogosphere and they are scared!

Kill your TV!

From the article:
“People are pretty smart in assuming that if a blog is making a case on one side that it’s partisan,” Jamieson said. “The problem is when a blog pretends to hold neutrality but is actually partisan.”

Let's see that again:
“The problem is when a blog pretends to hold neutrality but is actually partisan.”

Oh, I see. It's a problem when a blog pretends to hold neutrality but is actually partisan but it's not a problem when a television network or newspaper pretends to hold neutrality but isn't.
So I guess that means I can trust everything I see on television and news ( including Peter Jennings antisemitism ) and I can believe everything I read in the New York Times.
Or should I believe Robert Fiske?

Oh, by the way, does that mean I can trust professors too?

Hmm... I was getting paid and didn't know about it? Where's my paycheck, fat bank account, and Swiss accounts to show for all my devious work? Dangfarnit. I wanna my fair share of the take Charles. Have you been holding out on me?! :)

Okay, that is twice in a row Charles has Questioned the Timing™. I believe one of the rules of the FNDT is that one drinks whenever someone questions the timing? So that's two everyone owes and it's only Th. AM.

Seriously, it is said often but only because it is true: if you cannot attack the message, attack the messenger. The facts are not on their side so the only option they have left is to dwell on the political leanings or motivations of those exposing them.

Bias may possibly factor in if it were a matter of believing personal testimony, but there are facts on the table. Documented methods and repeatable experiments. You could prove Charles is Dubya himself and it wouldn't taint the arguments at all.

No laws have apparently been broken. Case precedent on political speech as it pertains to blogs does not exist. But where journalists' careers may be broken on ethics violations, bloggers are writing in the Wild West of cyberspace. There remains no code of ethics, or even an employer, to enforce any standard.

Did he say "no laws have apparently been broken"? WTF? Should that have been "apparently no laws have been broken"? Is it worded like this to make it less clear that NO LAWS HAVE BEEN BROKEN!

As for no laws, code of ethics, etc. Yeah, but you can call the poster an a$$hat and ask him to back up his opinion with a link. MSM journalists get a pass.

My daughter had a great idea yesterday. She says when she grows up she's going to own a left-wing news channel and a right-wing news channel so she can get everyone's money. I'm not sure where she's going to get the money to do this, but I'll bet CBS will be for sale cheap sometime in the near future.

I have to go into the psychic business. Just yesterday I wondered aloud on an LGF post whether any of the networks had ever done a piece on bloggers, surmising that if they ever did it would be a hitpiece.

#6, I didn't get my check either. I may be a political operative, but it's strictly volunteer.

As if SeeBS isn't chockfull of political operatives.

Anyway, that piece is like firing back with a popgun when you have M-16's coming at you rapid fire.

They know they're about to get pummeled by the Pajamadeen, so they need to discredit them first. Smart tactical move, but it won't matter. They'll be crushed anyway.

This sounds like part of a vast MSM left-wing conspiracy!
Idjits.

Charles' Lizardbucks aren't recognized as a legal tender except in a few backwoods Piggly Wigglys, a 7-11 in south LA, and the Mormon Church.

Of course, there's a million blogs out there, and they've found 3 that were blogging without full disclosure, and want to tar the entire blogosphere based on that.

2 North Dakotans, and Atrios do not the blogosphere make.

"It's freedom of the press dammit. You are not the press, so knock it off! Now stop expressing yourselves, and get back into the passive slack-jawed position in front of the toob that we like. And stop using your Tivo to skip past the commercials!"

"Beginning next year, the F.E.C. will institute new rules on the restricted uses of the Internet as it relates to political speech. "

Is this in the name of "Campaign Finance Reform"? o.O

#5 writermom:

And some bloggers do have a Code of Ethics and some have actually adhered to it long before even thinking about putting it to paper.

Funny thing though, those on the Left side of the blogosphere haven't done anything similar. I plan on reprinting that code on my blog, so that people know that I'm going to hold myself to that standard (although I've been doing this for more than 8 years now).

Yup, I'm a paid political operative- hence my posts here.

Note to RNC: Where's my money?

/extreme sarc.

"Look! Free speech! Kill it! Kill it now before it gets into the pantry!"

what a joke, from the article:

Internet blogs are providing a new and unregulated medium for politically motivated attacks. With the same First Amendment protections as newspapers, blogs are increasingly gaining influence.

and what is SeeBS if it isn't an "unregulated medium for politically motivated attacks", what a ridiculous statement!

Now here is an example of unbiased opinion from Kathleen Jamieson, an expert on Left-Wingpolitical communication and dean of the Annenberg School for Communications

"People are pretty smart in assuming that if a blog is making a case on one side that it’s partisan. The problem is when a blog pretends to hold neutrality but is actually partisan."
Kathleen Jamieson

such a tool, she is trying to plant the seed that bloggers like Charles are paid political operatives, GIVE ME A BREAK........

“If you put out flyers, you have to disclaim it, you have to represent who you are,” Jamieson said. “If you put out an ad you have to put a disclaimer on it. But we don’t have those sorts of regulations for political content, that is campaign-financed on the Internet.”

I post from time to time and read daily?

Can I get a small cut like 10% of dividends?

Lawhawk

That lizard looks familiar. Isn't he on the "File not found" page too?

BAIT AND SWITCH: The CBS News column begins with the dramatic example of two anti-Daschle bloggers. Later it says, “The problem is when a blog pretends to hold neutrality but is actually partisan.” However, CBS News fails to point out that these two anti-Daschle blogs didn't pretend to be neutral. (At least, I don't think so.) Nor does it point out that the blogs were needed to offset the biggest SD newspaper, which was strongly pro-Daschle.

#4 Houston AG

Interesting. Must be starting to rankle the french, eh?

I am also highly miso-franco. Does that make me an Israeli?

Or as my British grandfather (PBUH) would say, "bloody french!"

This may sound like a stretch, but this reminds me of nothing so much as the Catholic Church's opposition in the middle ages to the Bible being published in the vernacular. If you let people read the scriptures in their own language, pretty soon they'll start having ideas. They'll notice that what they're reading is not exactly what the priests have been telling them all these years.

But translation happened, and the printing press enabled more and more people to have their very own copies of the Bible.

The MSM has assumed the priestly role of information control for decades, but now any guy in pajamas can start a blog and say anything. No wonder they are feeling threatened.

"The documents, also obtained by CBS News"

Does anyone else have a built in shudder and gag reflex every single time you hear this?

The bottom line is that they are scared.

Print media is sucking air like a fish lying out in the sun, and for the first time there is a serious and credible check and balance system in place for MSM.

They have no idea what to do.
Their base audience is dwindling across the board...
Twenty years from now evening news will be no more....

Reactive information on demand.

Did anyone see Starship Troopers?
"would you like to know more?"

#22 lawhawk

Linky no worky :(

“Ultimately, I think, the decision will have to come down to whether the public will be allowed to decide whether bloggers are credible or whether some regulation needs to occur.”

Can't touch this! Duh-nuh-nuh-nuh

/channeling M.C. Hammer

#23 Earl

They pay you too ?
Actually, I am paid so well to post on this blog that I moved to Bora Bora and the same Secret Far Right Org that pays me has linked me to the Net through an Echelon antenna and satellite.

That column is hilarious. They will be laughed at for hundreds of years.

Unless the commies of CBS win, of course.

Laws, they want new and powerful laws to silence The People: BEAUTIFUL !

These morons are the same that tell to the demonstrators to chant
POWER TO THE PEOPLE !
But when we have the power, they want to silence us.
SHAME.

Dustyroadguy

With the same First Amendment protections as newspapers, blogs are increasingly gaining influence.

Notice how they make it sound arbitrary. It sounds like the revocation of rights by force is actually within the domain of civilized discussion.

Russell Madden's "Polite Slavery": It's moral to get pissed off at fascist suggestions!

One thing to keep in mind is that the pay scale for professors such as Kathleen Jamieson is usually depended on their visibility- the more someone such as Jamieson is quoted the more pay they usually receive. While I am not saying this wouldn't be Jamieson's opinion anyway, I do find it interesting that she agrees with one the source of one of the major media which regularly quotes Kathleen Jamieson.

I think the song of the year is Don Henley's Dirty Laundry

OT

Unlike yesterday's model run, today's 06Z run of the GFS predicts a White Christmas Eve for much of North America, with almost all of Coahuila, northern Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon with snowcover, extending up through almost all of Texas except the extreme northeast corner near Texarkana, with all the Rocky Mountains snow covered. The snow extends along the immediate Gulf Coast as far as New Orleans, with a bare patch in Mississippi and Alabama, but almost all of Florida north of I-10 and the entire state of Georgia white.

The Carolinas and Tennessee predicted barren, but northern Kentucky and Virginia are snow covered, along with the Great Lakes and all of the northeast away from the immediate coast.

Now, this is a 16 day computer model projection, and the prediction of almost 15 cm of snow on the ground in Houston, if true, would mean the first snow in Houston in 15 years (December 22, 1989, 4 cm).

And, (sarcastically) the completely ignore the 527's which are clearly paid by political agendas to espouse a specific rhetoric!

Are they going to mention that it is KOS who was funded by Soros?

Or was that Atrios? One of them anyway --and probably "Wonkette" too.

So did they do their research and unearth all the blogs that Soros put money into?

I would like to see them name names of all those they can factually prove were "paid operatives."

#17 pookleblinky

They were legal tender last time I was at the Denver airport.

I think it is important that bloggers do not go overboard with patting each other on the back. The truth in reporting is obviously lost on television and most newspapers. What scares me is that the blogsphere will eventually be tainted with the same partisan smear that has plagued our TV Stations.

Blogging is at its high point. Who knows how long it will last? But, one thing is certain in life. Many things that are started out as pure and good often become tainted once they become accessable to so many people. Agendas and stakes become larger and more often than not,

I once questioned the blogsphere once and I got destroyed by those who disagreed. But, I think the fear of the blogsphere becoming tainted or partisan or dishonest is very, very real. And just because a story or a point of view is validated with a link doesn't make it real or honest either. What could happen is that agendas can overcome those who write the sites, and trust would be broken.

My opinion is that those who read this article not attack the writer, but to bear in mind that there is a danger with all of these sites popping up claiming to tell the "real story." This article brings up very important issues as it deals with journalism today in America. The Blogsphere is real. And the dangers are just as real as giving tenure to a guy like Dan Rather.

You might love LGF right now and hate CBS, but in 5 years, who knows how you might feel. Larger point: QUESTION EVERYTHING!

#32 writermom:

fixed linky! to Wizbang's Code of Ethics.

Did anyone else see this:

Blog most likely to load up its readership and go colonize its own planet: Little Green Footballs

Via Insta.

#39 Ed Moran: A White Christmas in Georgia?! Oh, I hope you're right!

It's amazing that their history lasts all of about 24 hours. The MSM get picked apart every time they write these idiotic columns.

Word of advise to the MSM:
Don't let change get the best of you….lol

#41 Papijoe

Oh, I forgot. Charles' Lizardbucks are also the national currency of Krygyzstan.

I can see this. Blogs are partisan echo chambers and have the potential to spread misinformation everywhere. But making special laws beyond existing libel laws is a violation of free speech.

Speaking of links and award, LGF has been deemed Blog most likely to load up its readership and go colonize its own planet Not entirely sure that is a positive thing, but then again, where else on the blogosphere do we have so much talent that we could a) launch an expedition to another planet, and b) colonize said planet?

#49 Lawhawk:

Scooped ya: see my #44

:-)

Blog most likely to load up its readership and go colonize its own planet: Little Green Footballs

I'm game.

#39 Ed Moran.....

Snow here in Houston? New Orleans?

Wow. Hope not, Houston drivers drive sucky in good weather as it is!

And how long - 2 days? a week? - before the NY Times and the other MSM dinosaurs start running editorials clamoring for regluation of the blogsphere?

#50 tanker

Good show. Bad form in gloating about beating me to the punch.

BTW, on reflection, LGF would be the blog most likely to cart up the Islamofascists and send them to another planet. We like this planet just fine.

#44 Tanker J.D.

Silly human...We've already got a planet! Aidemydni

Ok, it's a planetoid, but who's counting?

If they're devoting this much effort to blog bashing, then it's a sure sign they don't like blogs and are scared of 'em.

Personally, my favorite quote is this one:

"Ultimately, I think, the decision will have to come down to whether the public will be allowed to decide whether bloggers are credible or whether some regulation needs to occur."

So the choice is between assuming people are smart enough to figure things out for themselves, or assuming they're too stupid to do so and so government must get involved. No surprise which way the MSM will lean.

Also, I really don't think anybody is "allowing" me to decide things for myself. That seems to indicate the government has some sort of eminent domain on my intelligence and free will. That goes for any other right. For example, the Constitution doesn't "allow" me to have free speech or to practice religion. It merely protects God-given rights that I already have.

Amazing coincidence. BTW those lizard bucks are good in my office too, although I'm in Denver too. Another amazing coincidence.

Blog most likely to load up its readership and go colonize its own planet: Little Green Footballs

Kinda like The Rapture, I'd bet.

Can I bring my dog?

Stop hyperventilating, Charles. CBS raises a legitimate question: don't you think it would have been "truth in advertising" for those two South Dakota blogs to admit that they were authored by paid Thuners?

I taunted you about being a paid operative of the Republican party, but seriously, I'm sure you would have let the LGF world know if you really did get paid by them.

Wouldn't you?

Just read the CBS piece.

Of course, as too good to stay long in medium market Houston morning talk radio host Pat Gray on KPRC-AM 950 likes to point out, the difference between talk radio and the MSM is that talk radio doesn't pretend to be unbiased reporters of the news.

Even before Atrios revealed he was a Demonratic party hack, people had to know which way his sympathies went,so no harm, no foul.

BTW

Beginning next year, the F.E.C. will institute new rules on the restricted uses of the Internet as it relates to political speech.

That semi-quote the famous moonbat Tim Robbins, a chill wind is blowing on the innnernut.

I swear on my iMac that no-one has ever paid me for making any scurrilous political remarks on this or any other blog. Signed, Ojoe, token iMac person. By the way, what is going on here is Free Speech, in case you haven't figgered it out, CBS.

Blog most likely to load up its readership and go colonize its own planet: Little Green Footballs

Nodrog stays here.

#48 Duder

Blogs are partisan echo chambers and have the potential to spread misinformation everywhere.

In what way is that different from CBS, CNN, NYT, WaPo, the Boston Globe, etc....?

Here's one: Bloggers don't come with an expectation of public trust. A blogger has to earn your trust, while the MSM feels entitled to it.

That song they always play whenever clowns appear, was actually composed for a gladiatorial fight scene. The composer was picturing lions ripping flesh, spears sinking into heads, and gore splashing onto the dust, while writing that famous "da da dadada da da DA..."

Could there be a connection with the post last night about the spider? Could it be a nefarious plot by the Eye to get their ducks in a row before another hit on the blogosphere?

People who believe the MSM exclusively also watch the lint races at the Navel Stadium. CBS, NBC, ABC can all kiss my rosey red ass. I put them right up there with Le Monde and Der Spiegel. The French, most of the EU and the alphabet soup networks are all screwed AFAIAC.

36 pookleblinky

your link JUST BEGS for substitutions like Dan Rather for 'Master Johnson', sympathizers for 'por-white-trash', and bloggers for 'property'........

may be if I have the time......

I would say it's in fact IMMORAL NOT TO GET PISSED OFF.......

end the toleration of intolerance NOW........

Dangerous Dan (#57),

For example, the Constitution doesn't "allow" me to have free speech or to practice religion. It merely protects God-given rights that I already have.

Oh, now you're questioning your intellectual and societal betters?

You are dangerous; to the left thinking fascists.

"Beginning next year, the F.E.C. will institute new rules on the restricted uses of the Internet as it relates to political speech."

Campaign Finance Reform is the bat liberals will use to try and beat back blogs. Campaign Finance Reform has already been passed. It is law. Prez signed it. So now the FEC will simply hand down rules from on high on whether we, the people, may speak freely or not.

Campaign Finance Reform is a reeking outrage that needs to be utterly, completely, and thoroughly destroyed, demolished, pulverized, crushed, nuked, and trashed.

#43 lawhawk

Nice linky. Actually that deserter Hinzman, that is mentioned in your link, is living quite a fine life here in Toronto. He is celebrated by the usual crowd of lefties and journalists, made a few public speaking appearances. However, he was quoted in one article as saying he knows it's totally ridiculous to claim persecution/refugee status.

However, given how gutless Canada is at deporting Nazi war criminals and Palestinian terrorists, chances are that this deserter will live a long life here.

Gordon, to elaborate on my last post,

I didn't read the pro-Thune blogs. But did they pass themselves off as impartial commentators on the elections, as an unbiased source?

Or was it obvious to anyone with an IQ above freezing that they were pro-Thune? Did they feature prominent blog-ads for conservatives or Republicans? Clearly identified links to conservative/pro-American sites?

If they didn't disguise their partisanship, then what is the problem. Would have been easy enough for a moonbat America hater from the Peace Garden state to start his won pro-Daschle blog.

*smashes through door with ax*

"HERE"S JOHNNY!"

Dustyroadguy

Watch out. Russell Madden will disembowel you if you violate his property rights.

Did Dan Rather ever issue disclaimers on "60 Minutes II" that he did Demonratic Party Fundraisers and that his daughter worked for the Party before his Bush TANG hit piece?

See if I got this straight, LGF hit by spider search, seeBS releasing memogate results late pm Friday, seeBS piece with vieled threats of legal wrangling against blogs (must be really steamed at somebody).

Large corp with imbedded legal dept vs lone blog with limited resources to fight actions/injunctions and goes out of business because of costs defending itself against frivilous suits

Am I paranoid...... maybe, but am I paranoid enough of the MSM/LLL

#4

From your link:

"After the death of Palestinian Authority chairman Yasser Arafat, Lapid wrote that the manner in which France treated the issue of Arafat's death proved that "the French are shit," Araud said. The ambassador called such sentiments completely unacceptable, saying if the French media were to use such language in reference to Jews, they would be accused of anti-Semitism."

First off, the truth sometimes hurts. Secondly

this kinda shows the French to be the pots calling the kettles "black". The French can kiss my American mongrel ass.

#4 Loved your linked article. Especially the part where the French ambassador complained about Israeli cab drivers who stop and throw fares out of their cabs when they learn they're French.

Of course, I really have no idea what the Israelis have against the French. /sarc.

#63 Dirk Diggler 12/9/2004 08:55AM PST

Blog most likely to load up its readership and go colonize its own planet: Little Green Footballs

Nodrog stays here.

But every village needs an idiot; ergo every colonized planet needs a troll.... As long as we don't feed it, and make it fend for itself, it's really not harmful. Indeed, it's rather amusing at times as it twists its tongue in a vain effort to bemuse ordinary humans with its witless wonder, and then steps on its own genitals as it dances to impress them...

#63 Dirk Diggler

Nodrog stays here.

He'll no doubt cling to the side of the ship like the creature in Alien.

I have several issues with the cBS report retort.

First: I'm not a medium. I'm a large. Actually, an extra large.

Second: it's from cBS.

Third: Well, the second item covers it. 'Nuff said.

Oh, and I still want my money.

You gotta remember, people talk about things from a familiar frame of reference. If they are part of some sleazy group paying other sleazy groups money to put forward an agenda (Al Sharpton did get paid, right?), then that's their frame of reference.

What do you expect from them? If you get bit by a rattlesnake, remember: it's a rattlesnake doing what it natually does.

Of course, the snake still needs killing. And cBS needs to lose viewers. And it will.

And, I believe Old Dan himself is talking about libel suits against bloggers...........

What a guy!

If I'm a "paid political operative", all I can say is: "where's my share"? My controllers can't even seem to operate a decent scam.

Maybe they could ask Kofi and the gang for a few pointers.

76 pookleblinky

just say'in....

;~)

#64 Powderfinger

Here's one: Bloggers don't come with an expectation of public trust. A blogger has to earn your trust, while the MSM feels entitled to it.

Sweet dude. Total brotherhood, and stuff.

Listen, I'm not saying CBS didn't f@ck up. It happens all the time; NYT has done it, FOX has done it (Geraldo should be shot), etc.
But name one blog with a fact checker, or an editor, or a ombudsman. Blogs are partisan hackery. I still trust (but remain wary of) a lot of MSM more than some pony-tail blogger who links to MSM stories and adds his two cents.

#36 pookleblinky

Why is it that the left seems doomed to continue the Civil War over 100 years after the fact? It seems slavery was abolished and has been illegal for 140 years or more.

Are they truely that obtuse?

#88 Duder

So, if I cut my ponytail... ?

#63 Dirk Diggler (God I love your nic!)

Nodrog stays here.

No, we should let him come with us! I need a pet.

Since I view these blogs as a place for the average joe to express their opinion,there is no difference between them and op-ed pieces in the daily fishwrap.
If one is regulated then it would only be fair to regulate the other as well.

I personally think that neither should be regulated,political speech IS free speech no matter what vehicle is used.

#60 Gordon

Does it give you some kind of sexual thrill to come in here and shit on the LGF carpet each day? I can almost visualize you having a wank and typing one handed while posting your inane bullshit.

#88 Duder

But name one blog with a fact checker, or an editor, or a ombudsman.

You're looking at one.

I still trust (but remain wary of) a lot of MSM more than some pony-tail blogger who links to MSM stories and adds his two cents.

Then you think the TANG memos are real?

#93 PostalWorker

LOL! Don't get him started....

#30
Excellent observation regarding parallel to the Reformation. Thankyou.

I would like to suggest that in addition to free speech, the following protected rights are also at issue;

Freedom of associaton
Freedom of assembly

In a sense, ideas, and the avenues for their expression, are a marketplace phenomenon. Hence, they are regulated by the market. No government regulation needed, nor is any desired, except by those opposed to a free market.

#55 Lawhawk

I stand humbly reprimanded for gloating.

But it was fun.

:-)

#60 Gordon  12/9/2004 08:54AM PST

"CBS raises a legitimate question: don't you think it would have been "truth in advertising" for those two South Dakota blogs to admit that they were authored by paid Thuners?"

While that may be a legitimate question, it is also a minor quibble. The major news in the article is the warning to bloggers that their free speech is subject to Campaign Finance Reform law. We're in a war to defend our First Amendment. The enemy has successfully taken a major stronghold and is making further threats. That's the news here.

I'm waiting for Bill O'Reilly to proclaim on the evening of the whitewash that "there is no whitewash."

But name one blog with a fact checker, or an editor, or a ombudsman.

You're looking at one.

Pff. Please. You're a janitor. Don't give me that arm-chair investigator BS. If you're a fact-checker, then I'm a farmer cause there's chunks of corn in my sh@t.
I don't know if the TANG memos are real or not, but anyone who trusts any news source 100% of the time is an idiot.

88 duder

more than some pony-tail blogger

whatch it dude, or I'll slap the $hite out'a ya with MY pony tail.......

This behaviour by CBS should come under some federal statute about 'undermining the US war effort during a time of war' or something, shouldn't it. CBS's recruiting bloggers to 'undermine' the Iraq war is acting like a member of the enemy. A fifth column.

#49 lawhawk

Blog denizens most likely to hack into Unpopulist's control panel and substitute it's name in every category: Kos...

LOL

BTW, I realize that the GFS 16 day forecast is probably not accurate.

But the temperature contrast its shows for noontime Christmas Eve, with -5C (about 23F) isotherm through Houston and Lake Charles, and the 20 degree (about 66F) isotherm through Brownsville.

Jacksonville, Fl barely above freezing, while mid 20s (upper 70s) in Miami.

Per the GFS, the storm that drops the 15cm of snow in Houston is not really an actual surface low, just overrunning from the southwest on top of a 1.5 km thick cold wedge being driven down by a super-arctic 1040 mb high pressure.

December 23rd, according to the GFS, northwinds will blow near 30 mph along the Gulf Coast, closer to 40 mph just offshore (winds are generally higher offshore, especially in winter. Friction is less, and in winter, cold air over warm water generates convective mixing that mixes down the higher wind speeds).

But every village needs an idiot; ergo every colonized planet needs a troll.... As long as we don't feed it, and make it fend for itself, it's really not harmful.

Then he bunks with you.

Indeed, it's rather amusing at times as it twists its tongue in a vain effort to bemuse ordinary humans with its witless wonder, and then steps on its own genitals as it dances to impress them...

Wow. What an image.

I feel like Alice in Wonderland looking through the looking glass!

"No laws have apparently been broken. Case precedent on political speech as it pertains to blogs does not exist. But where journalists' careers may be broken on ethics violations, bloggers are writing in the Wild West of cyberspace. There remains no code of ethics, or even an employer, to enforce any standard."

I guess this passage from the antiquated document we call a Constitution no longer pertains.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

But this has been a long time coming and is just one more attempt to put a nail in the coffin of Democracy.

#93 Postalworker
#95 WriterMom

It looks like nodroG's PEST treatment has progressed to the point where he is back to doing a daily troll-by & scoot leaving the rest of us to clean up the aisle.

I'm just concerned that returning to the old pattern will not do anything for his, you know, confidence - and that he will continue to try anything to, you know, compensate.

It's nice to know the world is returning back to the old familiar patterns. Back to when MSM remains suffering from delusions of adequacy, nodroG is a troll dropping little smelly presents, and little furry creatures on Alpha Centuri are little furry creatures on Alpha Centauri.

DRUDGE is reporting that the question to Rumsfeld was planted by a reporter.

Media never learns.

94 powderfinger

Then you think the TANG memos are real?

he thinks they represent mixing instructions.......

Duder,

I still trust ... a lot of MSM more than some pony-tail blogger who links to MSM stories and adds his two cents.

Dan Rather could kiss you.

Duder, who thinks if you write a crappy idea on a hundred dollar bill it makes it a good idea.

#89 Postalworker

It is not obtusity. For while previous generations of moonbats have advocated slavery for some reason, this new generation has shrugged off any attempt to justify their position. They can't stubbornly adhere to the lack of principles: this generation of moonbats has no principles to which they may adhere. For this reason, the best word must be taken out of biology books: "malignancy". Uncontrolled behavior which spreads its disruption to all parts of the system. They, like Islam, are cancerous in nature; there is no reason behind their actions or beliefs.

The fact that CBS is working the Blogs in its relentless efforts to defame American soldiers, drive GWB from office and assist our mortal enemies, tells me that they are going to defend their fraudulent memo and escalate their idealogical war against America. Ultimately they will try to rally public opinion in favor of having government tax, control and ultimately deystroy internet freedom of speech. CBS cannot, as currently configured and motivated, survive in a marketplace of free ideas.

I had thought that the report woudld be a whitewash shield. It will be that, but CBS's recent activites suggest that it will be more than a shield. It will be a sword too. It will be their first salvo in the war against freedom of speech on the Internet.

#42 deadonballs

Nothing wrong with being skeptical, but I think there are a few things about the blogosphere that you haven't taken into account.

If the blogosphere was as useful as TV for propaganda purposes, the MSM would be all over it. But blogs actually favor "truthfulness" because they function very much like academic peer review. Blogs are persistent, so you can go back and fact check someone's kiester at your leisure, so as a result, a certain accountability is built-in. TV still relies on "experts" and laymen who can't interact with it's one-way broadcast model, tend to get lulled into believing there is at least a kernel of truth to what is presented. Herein lies the hypnotic power of television.
But the blogosphere is by nature and design interactive and thanks to search engines, the rest of the internet functions as a kind of auxiliary second brain. The complaint that "anybody can post anything" on the internet is actually something of a red herring. It is in fact easier to check sources on line than it is in the print media.
All of this makes the blogosphere very dangerous to the MSM that relies for the most part on advertising and can't afford to lose market share.
So unless the fundamental "openness" of the internet changes, the blogosphere will continue to be a godsend, and considering the leftist death grip on the MSM, has arrived not a moment too soon.

#105 Dirk

Then he bunks with you.

oh... maybe I should re-think my position...

dixie normous (# 108)

Home sick today, just crawled out of bed to drag my carcass to the computer to check on LGF and listening to Rush.

PIMF

Meant to add that Rush is talking about this planted question now.

#92 TotallySirius  12/9/2004 09:12AM PST

"I personally think that neither should be regulated, political speech IS free speech no matter what vehicle is used."

Politcal speech IS NOT free speech. It is subject to regulation by government. Permission is required, and the battle is on to restrict speech even further. It's war.

Calling Ed Moran!

, but almost all of Florida north of I-10 and the entire state of Georgia white.

You serious about that? I better start loadin' up the firewood then and maybe start cleanin' the hobby stuff out of the spare bedrooms cause travelers will be stranded everywhere. Hmmmm. Better check the pantry too.

78 Old Squid

I think your are going to see a hit piece in the near future from MSM ob blogs showing them as hate mongering sites inciting violence.

With all the back tracking going on I would say they are culling every sicko who has posted and tracked them around from decent blogs to hate sites.

They will cite and interview major univerities that have studied the "new internet blogs, and compare them to the terrorist training camps. NOTE: How many times have you seen blog conversations/flames with people who barely can type english spouting radical islamic beliefs? they have tracked these guys down and are assembling a puzzle across the internet.

Now the people who watch MSM not ususally being net savvy are going to get scared and push for legislation/termination.

OR...........Maybe i just freaked out there for a moment.
Proxac, Lithium anyone?

#110 Geepers

Dan Rather could kiss you.

Duder, who thinks if you write a crappy idea on a hundred dollar bill it makes it a good idea.

Dan Rather could kiss your mom.

Geepers, who thinks if you preach to the converted enough, you might learn something.

#100 Duder

Pff. Please. You're a janitor.

First, what's wrong with being a janitor? Not the most glamorous job in the world, but one of the most useful. Let me guess, you're a defender of the downtrodden... unless you can use them in a put-down?

I don't know if the TANG memos are real or not ...

You have got to be kidding. I mean, your comment about not trusting any news source 100% of the time is correct [even a blind hog picks up an ear of corn every now and then; guess we know how that corn got in your crap], but with all the evidence about the memos, you are still not sure?

I don't think what else to say. But, dude, you're out there.

Crazy OFF TOPIC.
Check out this crazy article its about putting senoir citezens in Iraq. Read it to believe it!

Hmmmm,

/ I guess Charles is part of the new spy budget the Dems are complaining about! Where's my cut? (Let's not forget the free enterprise system!)

#105 Dirk Diggler

Then he bunks with you

Cabin boy!

LOL!

#94 Powderfinger: Actually, I consider myself the LGF factchecker/ombudsman.

And I'm doing a great job of it, if I may say so myself.

Even though I get nothing but abuse from most of you.

Except for Ed, who has a good counterargument instead of an insult.

#108 Dang. Caught again? Amazing how that is happening with such amazing regularity.

BTW, if anyone wanted an authoritative on up-armor and the issues involved, they could simply have read about it this past March, when the issue was addressed Heck, we addressed the issue here. The issues haven't changed, and the problems/fixes are still the same. But, now that we know that someone planted the question shows that the media is actively engaged in a disinformation campaign to make certain folks look bad.

They've had it in for Rummy from day 1 (they including some within the DoD who don't like transformative changes as well as MSM and L³s).

I think your are going to see a hit piece in the near future from MSM ob blogs showing them as hate mongering sites inciting violence.

They did that against Rush in the early 90's.

CBS?

What is that? Some sort of political action comittee? Never heard of it.

#100 duder

Pff. Please. You're a janitor. Don't give me that arm-chair investigator BS. If you're a fact-checker, then I'm a farmer cause there's chunks of corn in my sh@t.

I was referring to the blog, dipshit. Quit counting the kernels of corn and pay attention, would ya? Stinky Beaumont is the janitor, and Nodrog is the house troll, so neither position is available to you.

I don't know if the TANG memos are real or not, but anyone who trusts any news source 100% of the time is an idiot.

Really? And is that what you think goes on here? Let me explain it to you:

Charles posts a story, and it is immediately met with commentary, analysis, fact-checking, discussion, etc. Pick any story and watch any MSM report on it. Then read the LGF thread and tell me which source provides more information, more divergent opinion and a better understanding of the issue. Assuming you can tear yourself away from your poo...

Charles,

Now this is freakin' hillarious

Thanks for the laugh

#88 Duder:

name one blog with a fact checker, or an editor, or a ombudsman.

You're reading one right now, or hadn't you noticed?

Actually, I consider myself the LGF factchecker/ombudsman.

A legend in his own mind.

119 mightmakesright

I think your are going to see a hit piece in the near future from MSM ob blogs showing them as hate mongering sites inciting violence.

With all the back tracking going on I would say they are culling every sicko who has posted and tracked them around from decent blogs to hate sites.

I wouldn't worry too much about that, if the government can't seem to get the job done with all the resources, computers, and dollars at their disposal I doubt that the MSM could come close to making a case........

have a beer....

#125 Gordon

Yes, yes, well done, Cabin Boy.

Now run along before we re-enact a verse from Fr*ggin' in the Riggin'

#111 pookleblinky

They remind me of my ex-bro in law. I played blues with him for 3 years and every song he wrote was about my sister and how bad she "done him wrong". This was 6 years after the break up. It has been 8 years now and he's still whining, "She don' lub me no mo".

Some people don't realize that to go forward, one must get the hell over it.

Rumsfeld question set up, see reporter's bragging email!

From [Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

From: EDWARD LEE PITTS, Chattanooga Times Free Press military reporter
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2004 4:44 PM
To: Staffers

Subject: RE: Way to go

I just had one of my best days as a journalist today. As luck would have it, our journey North was delayed just long enough see I could attend a visit today here by Defense Secretary Rumsfeld. I was told yesterday that only soldiers could ask questions so I brought two of them along with me as my escorts. Before hand we worked on questions to ask Rumsfeld about the appalling lack of armor their vehicles going into combat have. While waiting for the VIP, I went and found the Sgt. in charge of the microphone for the question and answer session and made sure he knew to get my guys out of the crowd.

Back on topic - the hypocrisy of seeBS is really apalling. First, they actively recruit anti-war bloggers in order to forward and add material to fulfill their own bias - then they generate a hit piece to run down those who exposed their pitiful attempts to create an issue to embarass and run down a Presidential candidate who they oppose on ideological grounds.

The thing is - Free Republic, Powerline, and LGF were the ones that really blew the doors off the seeBS fraud and exposed Mapes, Rather, and Co.

So, why is the attack on 2 anti-Daschle blogs? And blogs that were clearly anti-Daschle? Is it only because these were the only ones that fit the pattern that seeBS wanted to expose?

Standard seeBS reporting - determine a position, then search to find or create facts to support the position.

Edward R Murrow is spinning once again.

OT,but here ya go!

RUMSFELD SET UP; REPORTER PLANTED QUESTIONS WITH SOLIDER

Duder,

Ya know the funny thing is for all the fact checkers and editors and ombudsmen the MSM has they still can't the story right half the time.

Here's a question for you: How long has the venerable NY Times had an ombudsman?

Ever heard of Jayson Blair?

Sorry, nodroG, you're not a fact checker. You're just a contrarian. The comments section is a virtual ombudsman, and we're all fact checkers. Except for you. I've yet to see you disprove anything.

Re: #125

Eeeeewwwww! A masturbating troll. Now that is truly disgusting. You know: when they're like untrained puppies, you can somehow tolerate an occasional mis-placed poo. But when they start acting like they just brought you your slippers, then it's time to roll up the newspaper and spank the little bugger.

#132 zb

Drats, beat me to it.......LOL!

OT-
Check out Drudge. A reporter fed the humvee question to that soldier yesterday.

#139 Geepers

Ever heard of Jayson Blair?

Or the Boston Globe's Iraqi rape victim piece.

#134 papijoe

ROFL!

Yes, he's shaking......

Here are a couple of nice Dan Rather pictures to go with the fine thoughts expressed above.

It's all Bush's fault!

Forgery

#140 - that's not entirely true. He has disproven his intelligence on numerous occasions. He has disproven that he actually reads and understands the posts on this blog and the articles he rails against.

#122 frankwolftown

Cool! Hopin' to get my letter soon. If I have to actually RUN anywhere, I kinda blew out my knees. Maybe I can walk real fast through the running part. And if you wanna see prisoner abuse, wait until this perimenopausal MP gets through with 'em. (In my day we by Gawd beat the crap outta uppity prisoners, screw this panties on the head bullshit!)

/geezer off

Anytime the government talks of "regulating" anything, it gives me the chills. Because with the folks at gov't house the "regulation" NEVER STOPS.

It gets more and more intrusive as time goes on....next thing you know the internet will be taxed to the hilt, and free speech will be akin to the "free speech" on college campuses....ie there will be none.

#133 Dustyroadguy

[eyes darting back and forth picks up can with trembling hands]
yeah.....yeah...good idea.

I had thought that the report woudld be a whitewash shield. It will be that, but CBS's recent activites suggest that it will be more than a shield. It will be a sword too. It will be their first salvo in the war against freedom of speech on the Internet.

Well that's it then. Charles, water and fresh horses for my men. Tonight, we ride...

#139 Geepers

Ya know the funny thing is for all the fact checkers and editors and ombudsmen the MSM has they still can't the story right half the time.

True, but look at all the people on this thread linking to Drudge, who has really only ever gotten one "story" in his life because it was spoon-fed to him. I don't see a respect for the truth there either. Give me a good Wall Street Journal or the Financial Times. You can keep your NYT and the venerable Fox news.

OMG, there is free speech on the Internet! This cannot be allowed to continue. If people are allowed to freely express their ideas, next they'll learn to think for themselves instead of believing the bullshit processed information provided by the Democratic Party Propaganda Corps press. Everyone knows that, just as the Second Amendment only applies to the National Guard, the First Amendment only applies to Professional Journalists™!

What is wrong with these bloggers that they think they have a right to free speech? They have the right to remain silent, and if they don't start exercising that right, we'll just have to pass some laws and make them do so!

[/ SeeBS Executive]

I guess this clown is auditioning for Rather's job.
If this was his "best day" I shudder to think what the
worst was.

From: EDWARD LEE PITTS, Chattanooga Times Free Press military reporter
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2004 4:44 PM
To: Staffers

Subject: RE: Way to go

I just had one of my best days as a journalist today. As luck would have it, our journey North was delayed just long enough see I could attend a visit today here by Defense Secretary Rumsfeld. I was told yesterday that only soldiers could ask questions so I brought two of them along with me as my escorts. Before hand we worked on questions to ask Rumsfeld about the appalling lack of armor their vehicles going into combat have. While waiting for the VIP, I went and found the Sgt. in charge of the microphone for the question and answer session and made sure he knew to get my guys out of the crowd.

So during the Q&A session, one of my guys was the second person called on. When he asked Rumsfeld why after two years here soldiers are still having to dig through trash bins to find rusted scrap metal and cracked ballistic windows for their Humvees, the place erupted in cheers so loud that Rumsfeld had to ask the guy to repeat his question. Then Rumsfeld answered something about it being "not a lack of desire or money but a logistics/physics problem." He said he recently saw about 8 of the special up-armored Humvees guarding Washington, DC, and he promised that they would no longer be used for that and that he would send them over here. Then he asked a three star general standing behind him, the commander of all ground forces here, to also answer the question. The general said it was a problem he is working on.

The great part was that after the event was over the throng of national media following Rumsfeld- The New York Times, AP, all the major networks -- swarmed to the two soldiers I brought from the unit I am embedded with. Out of the 1,000 or so troops at the event there were only a handful of guys from my unit b/c the rest were too busy prepping for our trip north. The national media asked if they were the guys with the armor problem and then stuck cameras in their faces. The NY Times reporter asked me to email him the stories I had already done on it, but I said he could search for them himself on the Internet and he better not steal any of my lines. I have been trying to get this story out for weeks- as soon as I foud out I would be on an unarmored truck- and my paper published two stories on it. But it felt good to hand it off to the national press. I believe lives are at stake with so many soldiers going across the border riding with scrap metal as protection. It may be to late for the unit I am with, but hopefully not for those who come after.

The press officer in charge of my regiment, the 278th, came up to me afterwords and asked if my story would be positive. I replied that I would write the truth. Then I pointed at the horde of national media pointing cameras and mics at the 278th guys and said he had bigger problems on his hands than the Chattanooga Times Free Press. This is what this job is all about - people need to know. The solider who asked the question said he felt good b/c he took his complaints to the top. When he got back to his unit most of the guys patted him on the back but a few of the officers were upset b/c they thought it would make them look bad. From what I understand this is all over the news back home.

Thanks,

Lee

EDWARD LEE PITTS FILED STORY ABOUT THE TROOPS BEFORE THE POW-WOW WITH RUMSFELD

True, but look at all the people on this thread linking to Drudge, who has really only ever gotten one "story" in his life because it was spoon-fed to him. I don't see a respect for the truth there either.

Ummmmmm doesnt Drudge just link to other articles from the AP, Reuters, NYTimes, LATimes, et al? So if you say he doesnt have "a respect for truth", does that mean all of the above media outlets he links to do not respect truth either, or is it just him?

#130 Intestinal Fortitude

Gee, I had no idea there was a blog devoted to keeping an eye on us LGF "racists". What an honor. Who runs that, I wonder?

The leftists are circling the wagons.
Good.

Good luck with the deception and lies, leftists. Too bad the great-unwashed (and unpaid) have computers and web access.
If Danny Boy were in charge, I'm sure he'd put a stop to that - ala *insert favorite left-wing dictator here*.

In another amazing coincidence of timing, right before the Memogate report, CBS News releases a last minute hit piece on bloggers suggesting that they are paid political operatives, and hinting darkly at possible new laws to deal with the upstarts: Blogs: New Medium, Old Politics.

Pssssst. CBS! Your candidates did NOT win! I don't think that you have a whole lot of clout with the administration in getting laws favorable to CBS passed.

Writer Mom:

..bloggers are writing in the Wild West of cyberspace. There remains no code of ethics, or even an employer, to enforce any standard.

Now that's a facinating insight into the mind of the liberal media: without an "official" code of ethics, or employer, the bloggers have no guide.

Hey CBS,...how about the ability to reason, human decency and a conscience? You know, a personal belief in absolute morality?

#130

Re: "LGFwatch"

Congrats, Charles. You know you've penetrated the L3 conciousness when it puts up a "watch" webpage in your honor.

145 Athos

Yes, he's shaking......

Actually he looks pretty pleased with himself to me...

Tanker JD,
Dirk Diggler,

The image I have is of very, VERY short legs. Irony indeed.

Swampwoman,

MP eh? Everyone knew Leavenworth was Clubmed compared to "training brigades."

#138 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Oh oh.

From the spouse of the soldier according to NewsMax:

"It wouldn't matter if it was Bush himself standing there. He would have dissed him the same."

So it was a plan to diss possibly?
This might be fun!

Lee Pitts.... "his guys"... using them to undermine support for their mission... proud of it.

I have no words.

Only hatred.

#157 Free Speech......

If Danny Boy were in charge, I'm sure he'd put a stop to that - ala *insert favorite left-wing dictator here*.

Gotto go with Castro there.......most (not all mind you) of the Libs I know actually like Castro and blame all of the poverty in Cuba on US foriegn policy.....go figure.

Well, Swamp Woman, 16 day weather forecasts from the computer model have been known to be less than 100% accurate.

If "colonizing another planet" involves matching workoput suits and sneakers, and all the men having their "suitcases unpacked" then y'all can take Gordon, he can sleep in my bunk, I'm staying behind.

#156 Victor

Beats me.

Kinda reminds me of the kid that always got picked last during team picking.

The only TANG memos that are real.......

#156 Victor

LOL! leftists are unable to compete in the war of ideas - so anyone who they disagree with is automatically deemed a "racist". So sad. So typical. So tired.

Tanker J.D. (#160),

At one time or another there's been an LGF Watch (actually two different one's) an LGF Watch Watch and an LGF Watch Watch Watch. ;-)

The great part was that after the event was over the throng of national media following Rumsfeld- The New York Times, AP, all the major networks -- swarmed to the two soldiers I brought from the unit I am embedded with. Out of the 1,000 or so troops at the event there were only a handful of guys from my unit b/c the rest were too busy prepping for our trip north. The national media asked if they were the guys with the armor problem and then stuck cameras in their faces.

Media plants two guys to ask the questions they want, then all of MSM gets a chubby over it 'cuz now they heard what they wanted to hear.

A very perfect example of media bias and how they create the news they want.

“The question is: What are the appropriate regulations on the Internet?" asked Kathleen Jamieson, an expert on political communication and dean of the Annenberg School for Communications. “It’s evolved into an area that we need to do more thinking about it.

Who is this Kathleen Jamieson, an expert? Why is CBS quoting a Communications School on matters of regulating the internet? WTF?

166 S&D

I believe those temperature effects are temporary, and fertility returns in a couple of weeks.

IIRC, I believe I once heard that Japanese women engaged in the World's Oldest Profession had their customers sit in a relaxing hot tub, which had the secondary effect of offering some protection from pregnancy.

#166

Yeah, but you have to actually have a laptop in order to have a problem.

A lizardette I may be, but somehow I don't like feminizing it like that. Other suggestions?

Re: CBS: I actually had to read this story two or three times to realize what was going on. I can tell you that a lot of people will just read it once and think, "Yep, those bloggers need controllin'." They won't stop to think about what it really means.

The MSM are hurt. I, for one, feel real real sorry and would like to apologize to them. Where is that durned website that does that?

Actually, I hope CBS does not get hurt by their stoopid news department, since I really enjoy "The Amazing Race." It's the best TV show ever.

Cheers to the blogosphere! Cheers to Charles!

lazytart,

Citizen Smash has a good letter posted re Hinzman.

[Link: www.indepundit.com...]

Credit where it's due, it was posted earlier in the thread.

166 s & d man

Don't blog with the laptop on your lap, or else......

or

don't blog with a lapper on your log.......

#167 Ed

Well, Swamp Woman, 16 day weather forecasts from the computer model have been known to be less than 100% accurate.

Well, okay then. I did go check the pantry. The sheep were grazin' in the pasture (check). The ducks were swimmin' in the pond (check). The chickens were scratching in the horse crap (check). Yep, pantry is all stocked.

OT, but a great idea:

Thursday, Dec. 9, 2004 10:28 a.m. EST

Pay Your Boston Parking Ticket in Toys

For a limited time, the city of Boston is accepting a new form of payment for parking tickets: Cabbage Patch Kids, Morphibians, even Mega Blocks. To help boost donations to the U.S. Marines Corps Toys for Tots campaign, city officials are allowing parking scofflaws to settle their debts with toys of equal or greater value than their tickets. A sales receipt is required for proof of value. Marcia Harris of Cambridge showed up at City Hall on Wednesday with stuffed animals, a yo-yo and other toys to pay off her $36 violation for an expired meter. She said she was initially irritated to get a ticket just "20 seconds" after her meter ran out. The meter maid handed her a piece of paper with her violation notice and told her it described an alternative way to get out of it. "I thought the paper would say I could go protest at City Hall," Harris said. "This was much better. I would spend two-for-one, I think this is such a great idea." Tickets issued Dec. 1, 2 or 3 are eligible for the program, excluding those issued for public safety reasons, such as parking in front of a handicapped space, in a crosswalk or in a fire lane. The city is accepting the toys in lieu of money until Friday. "I think it should go longer - maybe any ticket in December," said Theresa Labriola of Boston's Brighton neighborhood, who settled a $20 violation for an expired inspection sticker with two Groovy Girl dolls. "It just takes 10 minutes out of your day, and it makes you feel better about getting a ticket," she said. Zoinks!, a toy store in Faneuil Hall, just across the street from City Hall, is offering a 15 percent discount to customers who show a Boston parking ticket. Marine Sgt. Maj. Rudy Wieners said he knew of no other city in the country that offers a similar ticket exchange to benefit Toys for Tots. Boston has been running the program since 1999. "These toys go to needy kids. And it's bad enough to get a ticket, but at least you feel the money is going to something that means something rather than being thrown in a big pot up there in Boston," he said. Wieners said the campaign is in particular need of gifts for young children, from newborn to age 3. And the parking ticket incentive ensures good-quality donations, he said. "They're not like a box of Crayons," he said. "You get a $50 ticket, you're going to get something that's pretty compatible to it in a gift. Anything that we can get out of those tickets is certainly appreciated."

#153 Iron Fist  12/9/2004 09:44AM PST

"What is wrong with these bloggers that they think they have a right to free speech?"

Clearly bloggers are abusing the free speech so generously granted to them by the government. It is one thing to exchange cake recipes online, quite another to criticize, ridicule and offend the religion of Liberalism -- that is blasphemy, and must be punished.

#160 Tanker J.D.,

LGF watch doesn't seem to like Charles, nor bigel for that matter:

Impending Doom at LGF...
...we wish. Unfortunately, spewing genocidal nonsense on his message board has never been something Charles Johnson has worried much about: as long as it's directed at Yurpeeens or Moooslims, that is:

[Link: lgfwatch.blogspot.com...]

#165 Mad scientist.

yep. Castro is who I had in mind. Besides, Dan Rather simply ADORES Castro.

Funny how the vast population of underclass poor (the great-unwashed) and dissenters who are imprisoned in Cuba get ZERO mention by privileged eletist leftist broadcasters.

#167 Ed

No reason to be concerned. No LGFers are gonna drink Kool-Aid to catch the starship travelling behind the Hale-Bopp comet.

#171 Geepers

Really? How funny... I'm such a newbie.

speaking of blogs GO vote fore LFG, Those stupid butt pirates that 'freeped' the polls have really crushed lfg's standing

[Link: 2004weblogawards.com...]

#181 Victor,

Its all about nuance:

criticizing Islam = blasphemous.

criticizing Western Civilization = virtuous.

So, how large of a readership do I need before the bribes start pouring in? The capitalist in me wants to know.

#182 hm

Yeah: they cherry-picked his commets. I'm not too thrilled with a lot of the more "Bigelicous" quotes, even after hearing out Rightasrain, defending him for two days as merely engaging in a bit of "hyperbole." But, whatever...

I checked that absurd LGFWatch. Pitiful.

Not only are we "racists", but we're "rabid" too.

I'd prefer "recalcitrant", but that's probably too far over the head of the idiots over there.

Memo to LGFWatch: STFU.

RE: LGF WATCH

Way to go Writermom!
Got your name mentioned!
We need to start a who got a prop list.

RE: LAPTOP HEAT DISIPITATION

Is it O.K. to blog on your laptop while its on the lap of a lapdancer on your lap?

Good to see that CBS has joined other entities concerned about bloggers such as China, Iran, Cuba, etc. Freedom really sucks, doesn't it?

I'm blind, so I didn't notice this egregious example of bias in the CBS article:

Hypothetically, if The Washington Post discovered that The New York Times had a reporter being paid by the Bush campaign it would report it. If proven, the suspect reporter would be fired and likely never work in mainstream journalism again. Hence, the courts have been satisfied with the industry’s ability to regulate itself.

This is what happened in the case of Duncan Black. The author of the popular liberal blog Atrios, Black wrote under a pseudonym. During part of this period, Black was a senior fellow at a liberal media watchdog group, Media Matters for America.

So, the libs got caught out, but in their hypothetical example, they point fingers at the Bush campaign. Have they no shame? They have no evidence and no examples of a secretly funded Bush blog, so they cast random aspersions on a liberal blog and say how it illustrates how Bush is cheating.

CBB would lose credibility over this, but luckily for them they have no more credibility to lose.

OT: 1 billion kids denied a childhood because of war and poverty, and amazingly the entire article does without mentioning the word/terms US, America, or Zionist! Someone at the Beeb will be fired for the oversight, and whose replacement will inevitably create replacement copy including numerous examples of US and Zionist elimation of childhoods for kids.

Tanker J.D. (#184),

Oh yeah.

And if you notice the link for LGF from there is just the URL not an active link, that's because Charles redirects referrals from there to the IDF website. :-)

#188 Tanker J.D.,

I too am not a great fan of bigel's comments, however, I will defend his right to say whatever he wants because I claim the same right for myself.

And contrary to what the idiots at LGFwatch are saying I commend Charles for giving freedom of speech a free rein here.

OT (and sorry if it's been mentioned)

Kosshole claims he "requested" dkos be removed from Google News.

screw 'em.

On free speech:

The flaming morons at DU are trying to figure out chavezs' grab of all media. good - bad?

No one has posted that this is SOP for communist dictator slimebags.

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

UH, viva chaves, dude..right?

Should have shot him when we had the chance, the cia lost its balls during that one.

#86 scaramouche

Maybe they could ask Kofi and the gang for a few pointers.

Actually the first thing to do is get rid of your controller and internal auditor before you begin scamming. The UN isn't fiscally responsible to anyone, hence its easy for them to scam.

Take a lesson from the EU:

EU whistleblower in £130m case is fired

A commission statement yesterday listed a series of staff violations mostly entailing breach of loyalty and lack of "discretion", but the commission refused to specify the exact offences.

"I encountered evidence of structural fraud embedded in the European Commission systems," she said. "High officials knew this was the case, and still is the case. I am the one who has behaved as a real European - and I have paid for it with my job."

Mrs Andreasen was suspended from her £85,000 job in May 2002 for breaking "hierarchy lines". She contacted the Court of Auditors and Euro-MPs after superiors ignored her warnings, later telling the press that the EU's £63 billion budget was "an open till waiting to be robbed".

Those damn meddling accountants don't know their proper place.

Anyone seen this, Charles might want to give this its own thread!

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

#196 hm

No doubt that he has the right to say what he says... I'm not about imposing a speech code. But, I also think he can be criticised for what he says. And, that's all I'm sayin'

The idea that the Feds will regulate the content of blogs (it's in the article there...deep ;-)) isn't particularly new. Back in September I was talking to my uncle and describing to him what a blog was and discussing with him the pro's and con's of gathering information through this medium. I made some comment about blogs being one of the only ways to really be able to utilize the First Amendment rights of all people, and he mentioned that it may be the case now...but someone will try to shut it down eventually.

Beware of those who would regulate blogs in ANY way. Don't let them regulate us...and don't let them regulate the opposition.

We'll see what happens I guess :)

Regards,

Charles,

If you think these hit pieces are bad, just wait. As soon as the MSM catches on to just how threatened they have become, they will now pull out all the stops. They'll try to get legislation passed, they'll start suing like mad to keep a lid on the blogosphere. I think that it may be time for bloggers of good conscience to get proactive, get a few lawyers on retainer, and band together to fight the invevitable storm that's coming their way.

zombie (#192),

That's about right. The left gets caught cheating and uses it af proof that both sides do it.

"It's logic Jim, but not as we know it."

Shamelessly stolen from nachtwacht.

#192 zombie:

Hypothetically, if The Washington Post discovered that The New York Times had a reporter being paid by the Bush campaign it would report it. If proven, the suspect reporter would be fired and likely never work in mainstream journalism again. Hence, the courts have been satisfied with the industry’s ability to regulate itself.

That is also demonstrably false. I have been following the WTC rebuilding process on my website, and have lost count at the number of articles criticizing the construction/rebuilding efforts of replacement office space on the WTC site. Now, that wouldn't in and of itself be news as there are plenty of critics and other plans that may have been more architecturally inspiring, but the NYT regularly leaves out a key piece of information from many of its articles:

The NYT is a real estate player trying to get companies to rent space in the new building it's constructing in Midtown and it cannot compete with better priced space at the WTC - so it does everything it can to build resistance to rebuilding replacement office space downtown. And it gets away with it every time they run a story on the WTC.

Now, how would someone who only reads the NYT know that this is the case? You wouldn't. Unless you read my site, or regularly peruse the NY Post or NY Sun, which routinely catches the Times trying to subvert the reconstruction of downtown office space. (Pre 9/11, the WTC complex had over 10 million sq ft of office space and the current plans only rebuild a portion of that).

And for the record, it will probably be doing the same for the Hudson Yards project - outside of the Javits expansion since it would mean additional office space to compete with its own real estate gamble.

#60 Gordon

Stop hyperventilating, Charles. CBS raises a legitimate question: don't you think it would have been "truth in advertising" for those two South Dakota blogs to admit that they were authored by paid Thuners?

CBS is a NEWS organization that has gained the trust of the American public and has used FORGED documents to try to smear a sitting president during the run-down to the election. Nobody is suggesting CBS be shut down, or investigated for criminal activity, although I would certainly look into whatever avenue was available in that arena....rather we are conspiring (conspiring...that ought to get you going) to TURN THE CHANNEL OFF, because of their liberal bias and blatant attempts to humiliate GWB.

Looking for CBS to be right about something? You may find something somewhere, but keep looking. Remember, cliche, but a stopped clock is right twice a day...and Hamas does humanitarian work.

CBS is WRONG to criticize bloggers and equivocate blogging with NEWS....it is not...it does not pretend to be! It is the free expression of opinion. To limit free political speech may seem like a good idea to CBS, but we might as well place a hammer and sickle on our flag.

Do that, honey, its revolution time.

And I'm not being flippant about that.

Check this out:

278th Prepares To Enter Iraq By Adding Armor To Vehicles

By Edward Lee Pitts

Since it ran yesterday, I'm assuming it was written at least a couple of days ago. It's not quite the scenario put forth in the soldier's question to Rumsfeld.

Oh boy, I smell a series of Senate Hearings coming up...

Senator: "So, Mr. Bigel. Our understanding is that the blog called Little Green Foosball worships you and hangs on your every word. We have a few choice quotes here from your sister site called 'LGF Watch' which supposedly knows more about LGF than any other human beings on Earth. They just spent 6 months testifying here, in fact. So we have many questions for you..."

:-)

#25 dustyroadguy -- "and what is SeeBS if it isn't an "unregulated medium for politically motivated attacks", what a ridiculous statement!"

It's more than just "unregulated", thanks to Senators McCain and Feingold, CBS and the rest of the MSM, have First Amendment rights that are superior to the individual American's First Amendment rights during the 60 days prior to an election. The regular American has second class rights -- he's the one who is regulated. I predict that McCain Feingold, and its rampant abuse by the Left, will eventually lead this country to the next Civil War.

Anyone else want to link to that Drudge article about the planted question to Rumsfeld?

I missed it the first thirty times.

LGF Watch links to a cartoon that explains, well, just go look for yourself, it is hard to explain the stupidity with mere words.

e.l. pitts gives even more reasons NOT to allow embeds with our troops.
However, the LLL will be proud of his ambush style.
What a stink pickle!

Senator: Next, we will be hearing from a blogger known as, do I have this name correct? - Right A. Rain, who is Mr. Bigel's attorney.

Senator: After that, we will be hearing from Dusty R. Guy and some other bloggers, including W. Mom and A. Shrugged.

Senator: Let's proceed....

207 Powderfinger

Check out #200 also.

203 Kayawanee

absofriggintutley

go look at the past three days,
there is ooooooh 200+ slander comments involving 50 or so people with more money than I certainly have.

the map has already been laid out.....MP3

1. slander comment
2. file aginst charles for blogger info
3. sue blogger
4. sue hoster for promoting/inciting
5. Charles starts restricting so he can feed his kids again
6. wala! intant regulation

[shudder]

#42--what a joke.

Absolutely unregulated speech on the internet is a good thing.

Remember the First Amendment? Readers are free to believe whatever the hell they want to believe no matter how stupid. Marketplace of ideas creating competition wherein the truth emerges as a superior product? Ever heard of that concept. I know they're doing a horrible job in civics education these days, but have you no knowledge of the principles upon which this nation was built? Apparently not.

Scared that blogs will be tainted? Tainted in whose eyes? Who gives a flying f--k?

Oh my God people are using free speech on the internet..STOP STOP

/CBS headquarters order # 26y7-7783c(eastern command)

#200 Stonewall -- "Anyone seen this, Charles might want to give this its own thread!

[Link: www.drudgerep......] "

Wanna bet that when the unit moves this little POS will rate an armored vehicle and some worthy soldier won't? It's a shame.

If this story proves out, I say embed this weasely Kevin Sites wannabe as point man on a recon mission, let him clear the enemy out with his ball point pen.

Ol' eddie pitts-gate sounds like he was more worried about himself getting shot up in the convoy than the troops themselves.

Seems like he used the troopies as a career builder.

(sorry I did'nt read all the comments)

David Paul Kuhn

I hope minions are taking a serious look at this boy. Should'nt take more than a few hours to perfectly define whose boy he is.

Come on a fact checkers. Google the enamel off his teeth.

#211 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C,

that is a truly idiotic cartoon.

Regulating free speech on the internet is going to be about as successful as pushing water uphill with a rake.

"You can no longer use the word 'bullshit'"

Hey! That's b*llsh*t

"Or b*llsh*t"

What BS!

"Or BS"

What a pile of el toro poopoo.

"Or el toro poopoo"

"Or cowpie"

"Or bovine manure"

"Or any other euphemism for cattle excrement"

Fuck off

#4 AG in Houston

French Cry babies don't like Israelis laughing at them!

Ha-ha!

#223 salfter

Israel should respond back, "We think we're always kind and respectful to the cheese-eating surrender monkeys." :)

#211 Ed Moran abu GOMEX

So, LGF Watch has no comments section.
I wonder why?

Look, I've hated CBS for 37 years, since Bill Stout and his colleagues nearly got me killed.

I was among the most aggressive of the Lizardoids to go after the Rathergate business (did a gamma-correction of the JPG files and discovered they were copies of deliberately crumpled papers, etc.)

BUT -- This story by Paul Kuhn has serious charges in it. The shoe may be on the other foot.

Did the Thune campaign pay bloggers to attack Daschle or not?

Tom Daschle was one of Israel's most dedicated supporters in the Senate, and he was targeted with vast amouts of outside money. It wasn't pretty.

If bloggers hide financial ties to a campaign, the law should send them to jail.

Here's the thing I don't get about LGFWatch and similar places out there for Fox News, etc.: Why do I need someone to tell me what LGF (etc.) is doing when I can simply go see myself?

This is, in fact, the core of Charles's victory on the TANG Memo story: He didn't merely swallow Dan's fecal matter; he checked the facts out himself and, lo and behold, found the "facts" weren't facts.

#220 justdanny

Here's one good example of the biased pot calling the kettle black

Bush's Top Ten Flip-Flops

The charge of "flip-flopping" has resounded throughout the presidential race, with the Bush campaign repeatedly accusing Sen. John Kerry of changing his mind on the issues. The Kerry campaign, in turn, has declared that Mr. Bush is the one doing the flip-flopping.
CBSNews.com Chief Political Writer David Paul Kuhn looks at the record and finds both men are correct. Here, the president's most notable flip-flops.

The article is under the rubric of "Stories ignored by 'corporate' media"

# 124 papijoe

Oh no - I ain't shipping out on any interstellar voyage on The Raging Queen (a manly ship for manly men).

#225 Mr. Pulpo

They used to have comments. It wasn't working out with their agenda.

213 rightasrain

now THAT would be a senate hearing worth watching!......

ROTFLMAO.......

The MSM went full bore (and still do) after talkradio years ago.

Result: More talkradio than ever.

The MSM went full bore (and still do) after FNC more recently.

Result: HIgher ratings than ever (and more Laurie Dhue sightings. Mmmm. Laurie Dhue).

The MSM will go full bore against conservative/sane/intelligent blogs.

Result: More blogs and readers than ever will sprout up

MSM will never learn from its own stupidity. Insanity defined.

With the same First Amendment protections as newspapers, blogs are increasingly gaining influence.

Hmmm. ... and I thought it was newspaper owners that had the same rights as individuals.

Hypothetically, if The Washington Post discovered that The New York Times had a reporter being paid by the Bush campaign it would report it. If proven, the suspect reporter would be fired and likely never work in mainstream journalism again.

Yeah, right. LOL. I think we can definitively rule out the presence of GWB operatives on the NYT staff. On the other hand, if we change the "hypothetical" case to a Kerry operative at the NYT, I'd say the following are all open questions:
1) Would the WP actually report it? (NY Post would)
2) Would the "journalist" be fired?
3) Would CBS make him/her a 60 Minutes producer?

BTW. I wanted to post this on the discussion thread on the article on the board at the cBS site. Funny thing: I couldn't find it.

Duder said,

Don't give me that arm-chair investigator BS....
I don't know if the TANG memos are real or not.

You want a fact checker for the "TANG" memos? Here I am.

I drove a Linotype in the late 70s. I did computer typography before the Mac and PostScript made it easy. On the input side of The Media, I've done news writing and photography and even written scanner drivers. I know computers very well, and I know typesetting, and I know typewriters.

The "TANG" memos that CBS broadcast and put on their web site were obvious forgeries. Upon first glance I could tell the characters were proportionally-spaced: the memos weren't even good forgeries. They were laughable. The longer I looked at the memos, the harder I laughed.

I once worked for a guy who did opposition research for the Travis County Democratic Party. These memos looked exactly like the kind of cr@p that gets photocopied and passed around and saved for the right moment by such people. "Ooooh, we've got the goods on Dubya."

(That the Travis County Democratic Party may be the ultimate origin of these phony "TANG" memos is to me the sweetest irony. Within seconds of seeing them, I thought "this looks like stuff Mike would drool over." Maybe he already has!)

CBS could not have examined the documents, they merely read the words without questioning them. Any critical examination of the documents whatsoever would have revealed them as forgeries. Obvious, blatant, poorly-executed forgeries. CBS had (has!) no fact checker. Nor real editors. Nor ethics.

If you still don't know that the "TANG" memos are not real then you are, to put it mildly, an idiot. You are intentionally ignorant. You have had months to check them yourself and it's a lot easier to learn typography these days because you don't have to melt lead.

LGF Watch is the ultimate TWIT site. Since they are too fucking stupid to generate their own opinions, they bash those of others.

HEY LGF WATCH, get a life already. Guess waht? Sometimes people hate other people and things, and rightly so. GET OVER IT! Hate is an emotion and not a crime. There are entities in this world that are deserving of being hated.

papijoe (#227),

Remember the 167 "Bush lies" from the Kerry camp that got completely ripped to shreds and then disappeared from their site?

Are the Democrats and their supporters so completely without ideas that they must always just copy off someone else's paper?

"Well, well, well, ... Bush did it too."

# 132 zulubaby

Now, now. We all need opposition - otherwise there's not much opportunity to hone those debating skills (although I grant you he doesn't seem to hang around to debate much). Regardless of all else, Gordon doesn't unleash torrents of epithets, and the same can't be said for all others.

#226
You have to take the chicken with the feathers.
When there's more feathers than chicken, it isn't worth the effort.
Daschle is a hard line leftist.
He did try to work for Israel....but his partisanship made him worthless in most other efforts.
I had NOTHING to do with him losing , but I'm glad to see him leaving!
You can't continually overlook the 99 failings to get 1 good side.

#226 Mardukhai

Did the Thune campaign pay bloggers to attack Daschle or not?

1) I read Daschle v. Thune regularly during the campaign. While it was clear that the author was pro-Thune, nothing I read I construed as an attack. Daschle was fact checked. The Argos was fact checked. Nobody was attacked.

2) Assuming the payments that are alleged were made, it doesn't mean they were for the expressed purpose of being a Daschle attack dog. If candidate X wanted my take on why certain areas of my state vote certain ways and paid me for it, it doesn't mean he gave me orders to attack anyone.

3) If Thune did pay those bloggers, so what? Campaigns pay advertising companies to produce attack ads. What's wrong with a campaign paying someone to come up with an attack web site?

The MSM is just doing their Sore Loserman impersonation.

 #225 Mr. Pulpo 
#211 Ed Moran abu GOMEX
So, LGF Watch has no comments section.
I wonder why?

I'm curious as to how many visitors LGF Watch gets. Anybody know? I've never visited it before right now, and I'm surprised at its lameness. I was expecting something a little less pathetic. Basically, he's just a troll who, instead of posting his snarky comments here, posts them on his own blog, where no one reads them.

How sad.

223 salfter

truth hurts, poor fwrench whinners.....

"I think there is a neurosis that causes anti-Frenchism," the ambassador, Gerard Araud, told Army Radio. "This anti-French neurosis has led to France being so hated in Israel. The relationship between the two countries is very difficult. You simply love to hate us."

I agree with Israeli journalist Yair Lapid, a writer and satirist for the Maariv newspaper (and son of Shinui chairman Yosef Lapid).

After the death of Palestinian Authority chairman Yasser Arafat, Lapid wrote that the manner in which France treated the issue of Arafat's death proved that "the French are shit,"

#213 RightasRain

"Excuse me, Senator, I thought Ms. S. Woman was on the agenda for today?"

"There has been a slight change in plans. When Ms. S. Woman was subpoenaed, she said something very derogatory about yankees and threatened to actually shoot the officer in the posterior if he didn't clear her property by the count of 3."

I can hear the howling now if the following opening sentence was used in reference to the NYT or the WaPo.

"Internet blogs are providing a new and unregulated medium for politically motivated attacks"

Regulate the NYT! Hah, fat chance.

#215 mightmakesright

1. slander comment
2. file aginst charles for blogger info
3. sue blogger
4. sue hoster for promoting/inciting
5. Charles starts restricting so he can feed his kids again
6. wala! intant regulation

Fantastic legal strategy in the UK. But it won't work here. You will run up against, as you noted, political speech standards, and "actual malice". The media cuts its own throat if it relies on defamation to stifle the competition.

That's without getting into what you might call a "slander comment" but I might call nothing. If one can cite a source, it's hard to prove defamation, in the United States anyway.

The paid Thune bloggers remind me of this point:

Why is Wonkette even considered a blogger? She is paid a freakin' SALARY by a CORPORATION to post to her so-called "blog," for which she was recruited and which is maintained by others. She's basically just a mainstream columnist who isn't published in a newspaper. But she's no less corporate or paid for than any other columnist.

WONKETTE IS NOT A BLOGGER! And I wish the media and "blog awards" people would stop referring to her as one.

Wonkette is a blogger the same way that the Spice Girls were a garage band.

Thanks -- I needed to get that off my chest.

#239 Lightning_Man

1) I read Daschle v. Thune regularly during the campaign. While it was clear that the author was pro-Thune, nothing I read I construed as an attack. Daschle was fact checked. The Argos was fact checked. Nobody was attacked.

In the view of CBS, telling the truth IS an attack. Can't let those pesky facts get in the way of our agenda.

#230 Powderfinger

So basically LGF Watch is a troll blog.
Post anything you want without being flamed or having to defend your point of view.
Compared to trolling on a site with comments.

Revolution of Democracy for all has begun to take hold. Join the Revolution, come one, come all. We need no longer be shackled to the MSM truthsayers. The Holy Grail of Truth is for all. We can now think for ourselves. We can now observe and judge for OURSELVES.

Warning to the lawmakers in the Shining City upon the Hill. Try and reign in our Free Speech and we shall cast you out with our votes. Hear ye, hear ye, the Supreme Court will rule against you. Beware, your powers to intimidate are waning, you are reaping what you have sown.

Your Ivory Towers doth crumble..........

#190 rightmakesright

No way! Linky?

Ya gotta a linky?

Do you think it was because Gordon called me a dimwit? That must have been the icing on the cake....

#226 Mardukhai  12/9/2004 10:36AM PST

"If bloggers hide financial ties to a campaign, the law should send them to jail."

Why?

#211 Ed

The cartoon neglects the fact that Israel has never invaded anyone, started an offensive war with anyone or taken hostages. Israel isn't run by psychotic religious nutjobs either. I can't see the equivelance that the LLL bastards are always trying to pull out of their asses.

#252 Song_and_Dance_Man

ROTFLAMO!

#245 zombie

Wonkette is a blogger the same way that the Spice Girls were a garage band.

Keeper

# 181 Victor

It is one thing to exchange cake recipes online, ...

I dunno. My wife has made some of those recipes she got online, and I'm not convinced that some government regulation isn't due.

Hey wait a second - haven't read the whole thread but has anyone noticed this?

Beginning next year, the F.E.C. will institute new rules on the restricted uses of the Internet as it relates to political speech.

Do they have to post anything in the Federal Register and what exactly is their jurisdiction?

"People are pretty smart in assuming that if a blog is making a case on one side that it’s partisan. The problem is when a blog pretends to hold neutrality but is actually partisan."

Kathleen Jamieson

"People are pretty smart in assuming that if a newpaper is making a case on one side that it’s partisan. The problem is when a newspaper pretends to hold neutrality but is actually partisan."
Kathleen Jamieson

We need regulation, she says. Well, lady, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Do you want your lefty newspapers to be regulated?

Go vote! LGF is in third place and we all know it should be first.

#223 Salfter

Does anyone actually like france?
Yeah a few came together over the lets pave iraq blahblahbalh.
But really,
Cmon...they stink, talk funny, pour milky sauces on perfectly good piece of dead cow....
And their planes.... look like little triangles, whats with that.
Nah, nobody likes france, there just kinda like that three legged one eyed cat your son brought home that everybody was afraid to touch.

Do not feed the trolls.

The site pest does NOT raise legitimate questions - he throws out bait that, sadly, many of you go for.

There is nothing - NOTHING - that this site pest will learn from your responses. There is NO CAPACITY in his moral fiber to admit any changes to his shape-shifting world-view.

You are only responding to his incessant pleas to "LOVE ME DADDY." He is an attention-sucker with an imaginary set of friends and an irrational belief that somehow his loony statements are "fact-checking" Charles.

Do not feed the trolls.

In fact, do not RESPOND to them. Do not ACKNOWLEDGE them. By silence you punish this site pest more than the cruelest words you could use.

Do not feed the trolls.

#247 Mr. Pulpo

Exactly. Euro suicide trolls, to be precise. Dontcha love the "Electronic Intifada" newsfeed? Extremely dim bulbs there.

244 Beagle

I think the USSC has also ruled in more than one case to the effect that the internet falls under the rubric of 'a public square' which even further reduces the possibility of regulation....

Electronic Privacy Organization: Free Speech

I'm not sure whether this is a LLL organ but they have a good compilation of case law and pending cases......

#260 steve miller

By silence you punish this site pest more than the cruelest words you could use.

You are so right!

195 song_and_dance_man

I just got back from lunch. Thanks for retracting. "Lizardette" made it sound diminutive, and trust me, I am anything but.

I proudly bear the name lizard. Now all I need is the T-shirt.

#255 mike C

ROTFLMAO

Mike C. (#237)

Regardless of all else, Gordon doesn't unleash torrents of epithets, and the same can't be said for all others.

Oh really? He throws around plenty of insults.

#258 zulubaby

I've only voted LGF four times. Whaddayawant? ;-)

#226

Sorry I've been reading the posts from the bottom up and.....

If bloggers hide financial ties to a campaign, the law should send them to jail.

You gonna built the prison big enough to throw all those unethical bloggers, ect. into? And have I missed something along the blogger way? Where on earth do people who read blogs think they are to be considered factual, legally binding representations? Does everyone believe 100% of what they read on a blog and aren't blogs supposed to be a discussion forum? Am I wrong on this?

OT

There's a poll over at the Christian Science monitor which asks the following question:

Should US-based churches boycott certain companies doing business with Israel?
Yes. The US government has failed to act to curb Israel's aggressive policies.
73.8%
No. It is discriminatory and does not help the peace process with the Palestinians.
26.2%

Please go over there and vote no-
[Link: search.csmonitor.com...]

#252 song_and_dance_man

Yes...he needs a pedicure.

#256-

I think the SCOTUS would shoot it down.

#270 Writermom

ewwwwwwwww

#271 Wlover

Yes, SCOTUS would shoot it down. Clearly the blogosphere falls under the 1st Amendment!

The Supreme Court ruled that you could not put porn filters onto the Internet to keep kids away from it. Funny how Kerry, Mr. Big Liberal, sued to keep Unfit For Command out of the bookstores, which failed, then sent letters to TV stations threatening lawsuits if they aired the Swifvet Ads, which also failed.

Hey, LLL. Live by the sword, die by the sword !

#273 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Yes, SCOTUS would shoot it down. Clearly the blogosphere falls under the 1st Amendment!

True, but it takes a powerful legal arsenal and costs a lot of money to get a case to the SCOTUS. In the meantime, the MSM could use its huge legal resources (remember, they have entire legal departments with dozens of lawyers on salary and retainer) to stomp individual bloggers. The cost of lawsuits is not in the losing, it's in the process.