Time for the democratic party to be put down like a dog with rabies.

And this is from the folks who thought it was business as usual to host a video likening Bush to Hitler.

I hope they do own it, that way they're assured of losing for many elections to come.

The Last Hippie Hurrah!

they may own them now but once someone comes along with more money they'll lose them

First the Palis start sniping each other upon the death of their last great "hope", now the Democrats.

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks.

Here's hoping that Ted Kennedy martyrs himself on the lawn outside of the trailer park where they host the moveon servers.

“We bought it, we own it, we’re going to take it back.”

Good idea, taking it back. It's obviously defective.

I hope they saved the receipt.

I actually had to smile...how weird and other worldly to see the Democrats providing monetary influence as a source of their right to power...

Correct me if I'm wrong, and have just transported into an alternate dimension, but weren't they the one howling about how the Bush-Haliburton-Big Money people were calling the shots and over-riding the "one person - one vote" concept...

Welcome to real politics! MUUUHAHAHAHAHAHA!

This is kind of suprising-- somebody actually wants the Democratic Party... (AND they think it's worth paying money for)

I wonder if they actually believe that by moving the DNC further left they will attract more voters. Besides the mistake of Jimmy Carter, when was the last time America has elected a far left politician? Seems to me that your country routinely elect centrist or far right politicians..

Is Karl Rove behind MoveOn.org too? If so, great job Mr. Rove!

. Revenge of the Deaniacs !

Donations from Capitalists no longer accepted.

Time to purge the the party of it's counter-revolutionary elements.

Y'all have fun playing out in the wilderness.

Keep on kids, your party needs you.

No Agenda but Rage

Tim McNabb
fivehundredwords.com

The loons are out in force, and the cannibalism has begun.
It will be interesting to see what form the Democratic party takes by 2008.

Of course, trial lawyers aren't capitalists!

You only have to see theses loosers to know how pathetic they are. 57 million votes? How can there be so many screballs?

Actually, I think it's more a case of "You break it, you own it".

OT

Kerry desperately tries to hang on to something like relevance

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face - or shooting yourself in the foot - or throwing out the baby with the bath water - etc., etc., etc.

Well kids, it's looking like we're gonna need another party to kick around.

Anyone for resurrecting the Whigs? Torries? Free Soil Party? Populists? Know Nothings? (there's a joke in there, I just know it, but it's late...)

Moveon.org says to the Democratic Party: “We Own You.”

And they do. The DNC sold its soul to the devil.

Technically, you never really own a whore. You just pay her until someone with deeper pockets comes along.

"Sure, now you say you'll implant a brainslug in all our heads and turn us into zombies, but how do I know you'll keep your word after the election?" Fry from Futurama

Wow, there was something totally expected.

I think the monster is alive.

Any one up a good old-fashined slaying?

As a great man once said:

"I didn't leave the Democratic Party; the Democratic Party left me."

They're in the process of leaving me for good it sounds like. I used to be a Democrat. This year was the first time I voted for a Republican in my life. At this rate they'll be dead to me soon.

(By the way, I didn't think he was a great man at the time he said this, I was young and naive. Like a lot of the kids who hate Bush now.)

..targets outgoing Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe as a tool of corporate donors

Sure. He's a capitalist tool dragging the Dems rightward into the vast rightwing conspiracy. And that's why the Dems lost, you see. The leftists abandonned them with their huge cadre of voters.

These people are genuises. Give them the party.

I would love if MoveOn.org took over the Democratic Party. The only reason they had a chance in this last election was because many people didn't think that MoveOn was a mainstream Democratic organization.

Just think, a party of Howard Deans and post-2000 Al Gores. They'll compare Republicans to Nazis, and their asses handed to them on a plate on election day.

This has made me very happy.

OT - where did Mel use the money from The Passion?

Apparently here.

...thanks to the timely intervention of Healing the Children, Cedars-Sinai Medical Center and actor/director Mel Gibson, whose $5 million gift to the hospital made these miracles possible.

Abbie Hoffman must be rolling over in his grave..

What do these wankers consider George Soros? Tin foil hats for all!

One can only hope they continue to be the mouth piece of the DNC... guarantees they will never have real power again.

#19 zulubaby,

You malign me. I paid them nary a cent.

They simply gave me their soul out of love and devotion to my cause.

Dean/Gore 2008 !

s & d man

socialfacistorgansgreat minds think alike...

from the article:

Under McAuliffe’s leadership, the message said, the party coddled the same corporate donors that fund Republicans to bring in money at the expense of vision and integrity.

I'd welcome their choice to look to others...

I would bet that a large proportion of the Democrats who voted for Kedwards would not be happy to learn of this power play by America's representatives of the global socialist left. A large majority of Democrats are not of the moonbat variety (hence moveon icon Howard the Dean going down in flames), and won't be happy to see their party continue to be sabotaged by these losers. I hope that someday soon both McAuliffe and his crowd and the sanctimonious millionaire revolutionaries who run moveon will be cast into the political lake of fire and the party revitalizes itself as a viable opposition party, though I've been waiting for that to happen since 2001, so I'm not losing any sleep over it.

By the way, Apple's internal spell check function does not consider the word "moonbat" as a mistake, but highlights "moveon" as one. Another reason to love Apple (Steve Job's support for Kedwards notwithstanding).

Give 'til it hurt Dems, then you won't be just a bunch of losers, you'll be a bunch of poor losers.

MoveOn to DNC: "We bought you. Yes, we realize the irony of using capitalism to further our Marxist goals. We're just going to redistribute your money now a bit sooner than planned."

The 5 stages of grief:
disbelief, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.

I really thought the moonbats were somewhere between 3 and 4, but I see now they are spinning their wheels in the rut of 2. They need to Moveon with their lives.

#2 Sarah D.

I hope they do own it, that way they're assured of losing for many elections to come.

Oh, how I wish that were true. Unfortunately, I'm afraid ThE HiLdEbEeEEEaSte will purge them all before her sham-moderate Presidential run. See: Hillary Clinton plots her return

Geez -- do ya think this will bring back the Blue Staters from Canada? Man I hope not.
I wonder what this means for Hillary?

MoooveOn sez Smell the Glove!

“We bought it, we own it, we’re going to take it back.”

Back from whom?

They bought, they owned it, they killed it.

Great news. Sounds like civil war within the Donkey ranks. The more MoveOn, Deaniacs and Polosi wrest control, the further the Dems are from power.

Clinton won by triangulating to the middle. The impending battle bodes well for a leftwards lurch into further obscurity for the "professional losers".

Party time, GOP!

Belize 042

"Good idea, taking it back. It's obviously defective.

I hope they saved the receipt."

I love it!

28 Mich-again

It's a terminal loop. Kinda like UM trying to win the Rose Bowl. Ow. Did I say that? And I'm a Wolves fan, too.

Damn.. MoveOn.org aint playin...seems likeMoveOn.org is the new pimp that just bought the DNC and its stable of bitches

I wonder if demoncrap contributors can use this quote:

MoveOn PAC’s Eli Pariser. “But we can’t afford four more years of leadership by a consulting class of professional election losers.”

to sue in court for false advertising and demand a refund?

Well, they can't nominate Joe Stalin or Arafat for DNC since both are dead. So is Pol Pot. Let's see...who would make an appriopate a Move-On influenced DNC Chairperson? Got it!
Noam Chomsky with co-chairman Michael Moore. Honorary Chairman- Jimmy Carter!

#17--Laurelin--JeffnK is prob looking for an incident over there so he can smear the troops, the war, PM Alawi,(again). Perhaps he can re-enact or just act the clearing the room manoeuver from VietNam war.

this is Bad idea. but he is a Senator so what can be done?

#32 ted 12/9/2004 08:22PM PST

Hillary Clinton/Al Gore - 2008!

Howard Dean, Chairmaniac of the DNC.

Haaahaaahaaahaahaaa!1

Uh, no . . . the Democratic party is pwned by the LGF Lizard Horde!

#42 Rayra  12/9/2004 08:29PM PST
They're already 'Poor Losers'. They need to be Broke Losers, too.

You are sooo right, but I think destitute losers would be even better! Dig deep Dems.

SSSHHH!
“Never interrupt your opponent when he’s making a mistake, its bad manners”. Napoleon

As big an idiot as Terry Macawful is, he didn’t lose the election, the dem’s all banded together to nominate a louse.

Griping about Terry McAwful's ethics? Next thing you know, Moveitonover will discover that Hillary is a conniving bitch and BillyJeff is a smooth-talking philanderer.

Didn't Jesus say something about a house divided against itself?

Oh wait, that's right, they probably havn't read that...

55 Mich again

Nah, they'll figure that out.

Move it on over
Scratch it on over
Move over old dog
'cause the new dog's
Movin’ in

Don't be too sure it's a sure loser for Dems in terms of election gains. Dem party felt that way about Reagan, and look what happened.

The problem is, the people donating to MoveOn aren't (to the best of my knowledge) the people who vote, it's the richest and the wealthiest. But, hey, if they represent the true vision for the average Dem, then I'm for it. Even tho I disagree with that vision.

On the other hand, if it's not a true vision, then no one will vote for it anyway, so who cares?

Either way, the people will win. I firmly believe in a two party system cause that keeps us all on our toes. I don't want the Dems to lose every year like this at all. That would lead to a monopoly on power, and our entire country is based on the understanding that absolute power over anything leads to absolute incompetance over that thing. This is true regardless of who is in office.

-ron

Re: #56

"But but but...I have a bumper sticker on my Volvo that says Jesus isn't a Rethuglican! You're engaging in hate speech!"

/patchouliOn.org sarc off

Yep, this ought to turn out real good for the DNC. Turn the inmates loose in the asylum. The Democrats should be a joke now for quite a few election cycles. We couldn't have asked for better!

Let 'em have the DNC. Under their "falling off the left edge of the world" leadership, the GOP should be able to win the next election with about 70% of the vote.

Being called a professional loser by moron.org is like being called ugly by an iguana.

46 DocDublU

Good One! I don't bleed Blue. (WSU in the D!)

Most Wolve fans come in 2 varieties when it comes to Rose Bowls.

Anger (still) over Charles White's phantom touchdown in 1979.

Bargaining that its an away game and they'll probably lose anyway. Its the Beef Bowl at Lawry's. They always poison our guys!

It had to said:

Terry McAwful: Main screen turn on.
Terry McAwful: It's you!
George Soros: All your Democratic base are belong to us.
You have no chance to survive.
Make your time.
Howard Dean: Move Zig! Move Zigs to New Hampshire
and Massachusetts, and Yeeeaarrgghh!
Karl Rove: For great justice!

... sorry

57 Horsesoldier

You caught that? Hank is the greatest. BTW, Moveon has the "Long Gone Lonesome Blues" complete with the yodelling.

Hank Jr? Not so good.

Mich
Toby Keith is the successor of Hank with “You ain’t much fun since I quit drinkin’.

How about Hank Snow’s “I movin’ on”

ER, I"M movin' on...

Ah the irony. Moveon was formed to protest the railroading of Bill Clinton by the "evil" Republicans during the Monica Lewinski scandal. Now they turn on everythng Mr. Clinton stands for.

What a way to marginalize about 70% of the Democratic Party.

well, McAulliff was in charge of the dnc when Mother Terayyysa's husband lost that election. The winners were the red states, I feel if someone lost money let those who owe pay, let it come out of the blue state pockets. Hell, Dan, blue eyed Katie K,(up to you what eye she blue) & peter make enough in a month to cover their debt, let them pay. Afterall, their jobs and credibility depend upon it

#39 FreeKeys

Really? Take a look at this.

Seems the dems aren't too happy with Hill.

The rise of MoveOn is bad news for Democrats and bad news for America. It's bad news for moderate Republicans too, who could probably use a reasonable Democratic party to at least challenge their colleauges to the right, and force them to the center on certain issues.

But MoveOn's ascendancy is good for the Fallwell/Santorum wing of the Republican party, and for Republicans of all stripes who favor party over policy (I don't mean that in a negative way, necessarily - Republicans are schooling Democrats on unity at election time).

But looking at Democratic Presidential nominees since 1952:
Adlai Stevenson (Lost: 1952, 1956)
John F. Kennedy (Won: 1960)
Lyndon Johnson (Won: 1964)
Hubert H. Humphrey (Lost: 1968)
George McGovern (Lost: 1972)
Jimmy Carter (Won: 1976, Lost: 1980)
Walter F. Mondale (Lost: 1984)
Michael S. Dukakis (Lost: 1988)
Bill Clinton (Won: 1992, 1996)
Al Gore (Lost: 2000)
John Kerry (Lost: 2004)

The only candidates who've won have been either hawkish/centrist, Southern, or both, going back over 50 years.

So this is really bad for Dems. The sad fact is that only the DLC/"New Democrat" types seem to care, and they're a shrinking minority.

Here is further proof of the splintering of the democratic party.
I've long thought that the varied elements of the party would lead to its downfall. Too many groups with with wildly divergent goals that actually conflict with each other.
As an example, unions vote democrat as do many of the enviromental types. Industry versus wilderness aligned against the right while being against each other. Unions want jobs for their people, the environmetalists want a return to a pristine environment. They just don't go together.

ths is nothing new in democratic party history--i predict a henry wallace type split with the soros progressive wing and a cold warrior truman like wing led by the al frum centrists--the dems need to take their false big tent party and split it up into two competing teepees like in 1948--what goes around comes around...

“In the last year, grass-roots contributors like us gave more than $300 million to the Kerry campaign and the DNC, and proved that the party doesn’t need corporate cash to be competitive,”

Uh, didn't about $200 million of that come from the likes of George Soros and Michael Moore? Aren't they being just a little bit disingenious?

Ah the logic of the barking moonbat.

OT: I'm watching Fox while playing on the computer. Just caught a report about Los Angeles Black Activists railing against the Dems for demonizing the diversity of Bush cabinet (Condi, Powell, etc) and the slander of Judge Thomas. Keep it up dems and you WILL lose the Black vote. He he he.

At least some of the Blacks are starting to get it.

#74: Of course not, she's electable. She has never taken, to my knowledge, an anti-defense position. She's for immigration control. These are big issues and she's on the right side of them. Many of us don't believe her, but her positions still make her electable. The Dems want to lose. They idolize the underdog and if they win they won't be the underdog anymore.

It's the New Left/1972 all over again. I'd say, let them have the Democratic Party. It's an empty shell. But American democracy still needs a serious second party to challenge the Republicans. Someone has to step in with a new party. People like Colin Powell or John McCain could do it. There needs to be a realignment. Maybe a secular "South Park libertarian" party vs a Christian conservative Republican party. Or an isolationist party that somehow unites LLL and certain heartland attitudes (or leftwing + Christian moralism?) vs an internationalist, "activist" Republican party.

#79 CCR

By your analysis, PEST is what they are currently using to be the underdog. You might be right. Psychological sympathy pains with the downtrodden and forgotten masses.

Interesting.

It's wonderful. They're disintegrating.

Pariser urged MoveOn supporters to help support a DNC chair with a bold vision to represent Democrats outside Washington. Democrats will vote at their February meeting in Washington on a successor to McAuliffe.

Yeah, I seem to recall a lot of foreign money goin' into the MoveOn's coffers. Seems those Democrats outside Washington are in Europe and China and likely a lot of Muslim cash as well.

Hmmm. Could be a good gig. Have a catchy hate-anything-right wing-and/or-Christian-but especially-the-JEWS name and collect money, send part of it to candidates that will not win, and keep the rest.

"“Now it’s our party: we bought it, we own it, and we’re going to take it back.”"

Funny, in October, that's exactly what Terrraaazzza and George Soros were thinking.

And In Future News...
The rise of Alternative Parties such as Libertarians and the Constitution party have been gaining widespread momentum. It has been doing this at the expense of the those who once called themselves Democrats. While Republicans have also felt a smaller lose of register Reoublicans it is nowhere near the massive desertions happening on the left...

And you hold me to that one.

and Kerry got pwned by W! Pwned byRed States! PWNED BABY! All your base are belong to us!

(Oh sorry. Sometimes I get Halo and politics mixed up.)

#76 RayH

Unions want jobs for their people, the environmetalists want a return to a pristine environment. They just don't go together.

Good point. I think one of the reasons Kerry was so incoherent, contradictory, and vague was that if he'd said anything specific and consistent, he would have alienated one big chunk or another of his constituency.

At first I thought the quote said "we broke it, we bought it" - might have been more accurate.

Wow. I really hope these moronic moonbats continue to move farther and farther to the left. Endless comedic possibilities.

DEAN FOR CHAIRMAN OF THE DNC!

YEEE-AAARHHH!

#78

At least some of the Blacks are starting to get it.

And some Mexicans too. The Dems have been on the minority gravy train since 1964, which besides Affirmative Action, has been it. Anytime a LLL whines about Bush I politely point out the two richest White men to ever be on the Presidential ticket were Kedwards. Then I smack them if they call Condi Rice and Powell, Uncle Tom's. That gets their attention.

#90 Bubble Girl

I reckon nobody dares call you a biscuit then.

#59 ballantrae

The problem is, the people donating to MoveOn aren't (to the best of my knowledge) the people who vote, it's the richest and the wealthiest. But, hey, if they represent the true vision for the average Dem, then I'm for it. Even tho I disagree with that vision.

Well, I don't know what moveon.org is doing now, but when they first started up, they were dedicated to "moving on" from Clinton's sexcapades in the Oval Office and the impeachment due to his perjury about it while under oath in the Paula Jones case.

At the time, I was a Democrat and I did contribute (something like $100 to $200 - I don't remember now.)

They kept sending me emails after the impeachment but I never donated again. They wanted to keep going as an organization to do other 'good works' (puke) but they eventually stopped writing to me - my favorite email address had changed and I never sent them any more money.

I voted for Clinton twice and Gore once (triple puke), then I woke up and became a Republican. I can't stand any of them anymore - the Clintons, Gore, Kerry, Teddy Kennedy, etc.

It's much easier to become a Republican after being a Democrat than to go the other way, I think. After awhile, it's hard to look moonbats in the face without wanting to do yer own Dean Scream while running wildly in the other direction.

They wanted to "take the country back" in this election and they couldn't do it, so moveon will settle for taking the Democratic Party (even though it's clearly the nuttiest part of our country.)

Weirdness, however ya look at it. I'm so glad to be out of it.

This guy has been bashing the President. He claimed Bush is dodging the media. Let him know how you feel:

froomkin@niemanwatchdog.org

Also, I love how the moonbats believe that they keep losing elections because they aren't liberal enough.

There's some zen of moonbatdom that they have yet to reach, but oh boy, when they do -- LOOK OUT! Everybody will have moonbat fever with the red states turning purple (at the very least) overnight.

None of these delusions pan out, so they're going to have to celebrate a future non-existent victory again (like they did in celebrating President Bush's non-existent 2004 defeat for four years.)

They have to do this - if they didn't celebrate delusions, they'd have nothing to celebrate at all.

#74 Sarah

Wow, it makes you feel a wee bit sorry for Hillary after reading that piece - How would you like to have to kowtow to those snots...Talking about Hillary...

No Democratic Party candidate can expect the fervor of the party's progressive base if he or she doesn't acknowledge the evil the Bush administration has done in Iraq. It should have been the moral issue of the 2004 campaign. And whatever happens between now and 2008, Iraq will be central to our response. That means, as of now, we see you as a threat rather than a hope. And, as the bluest of the blue, we'll do what we can to make this message resonate among all Democrats nationwide.

Rightasrain, you need to get a refund. Some kind of class action suit. But then again, you'd have to sue Satan (the real one) in People's Court.

And, perhaps, this could be the beginning of real change for the Democratic Party.

If MoveOn, and others of their ilk manage to take this fight to the mat, I wouldn't be surprised to see a major split finally take place within the Democratic Party, with one group retaining the name "Democrats" and the other becoming something else. Whichever group manages to take over the far left will find itself quickly marginalized. The centrists could eventually be a pretty influental group, and even capture a good number of folks from the Republican party.

It would be a painful transition, but IMHO good for the country in the long run.

DRK

#95 Bubble Girl

Like rats in a box (no offense Rugby) they prey on their own.

They are too stupid to realise that they have to come towards the center to gain votes. What's scary is that she sees it, and she is the absolute last person I would vote for.

Interesting no?

Swampwoman - Well, huh? A biscuit? I guess not, where does that come from? I have been called a little hot tamale.

Bubble Girl,

Nah, I'm sure I don't have a record of this anymore. It was during the impeachment, which was a long time ago. I've "moved on" with bigger and better computers since then without hanging on to senseless old emails from my foggy Dem days.

Moveon actually used to sound humble back then (like a little grassroots thing that had taken hold on a still relatively unsophisticated internet.)

Now they believe they will own the world.

I just hope they've forgotten that I once sent them anything at all (even a Howdy-doo!)

#99 Bubble Girl

Swampwoman - Well, huh? A biscuit? I guess not, where does that come from? I have been called a little hot tamale.

The ol' tan on the outside, white on the inside...obviously whoever came up with that line ain't never seen my biscuits after I get distracted by LGF. They are sort of blackish all the way through then.

Sarah, very interesting, indeed. I would never vote for Hillary either. I guess she's like the people on the Apprentice and that group is the Donald over her. Surely she has a much larger base that is more moderate than that bunch?

Here I thought she was having a walk in the park, I guess it was always Bill who sailed along, imagine, a crackerhead grows up and goes to Oxford, then makes it to President.

Of course, he dropped out his first semester and bummed off his English friends, looking good protesting the Vietnam War in front of the American Embassy...Bill was good, is good, he could have been a preacher, the dough rolling in, him keeping 98% of the donations..."I feel your pain"

#102 Bubble Girl

Bill was good, is good, he could have been a preacher, the dough rolling in, him keeping 98% of the donations..."I feel your pain"

And gettin' blow jobs in the back of the tent the whole time.

They don't call him Slick Willy for nothin' do they?

I love GWB more each day. And I'm not one to love ANY politician!

Power to the sheeple!

Kucinich/Sharpton 2008!

Swampwoman - LOL, nope never been called one, never even heard the term till now. Where have I been? A Navaho woman who has a white husband told me she was called apple.
Red on the outside, white, inside.

My boyfriend is African-American, but he is lighter than I am, we both have green eyes, I got mine from my ancestors from Spain. Some of them were blonde and light eyed. My family has been in Texas since before the Civil War.

The LLL's are wary around me, after all, I should be a member of their party, shouldn't I? As should my boyfriend. They just don't get that we are Americans first and last. No matter what ethnicity.

Sarah - Amen, Sister. He could have been just about anything he wanted, and it looks he got what he wanted. The sociopaths who rise to the top. Kerry, he is an opportunist, arrogance led to his losing, he couldn't bring himself to apologize to the Swiftvets or the Vietnam Vets. Plus he had nothing to show for his twenty years as Senator. And Al Gore, lordy, lordy, what a strange man!

DUmbs are deceived, in double delusion, in denial, demonically inspired, deranged, totally lost, traumatized (PEST) by Kerry's loss, and angry that anyone would vote for Bush. They are arrogant, and they will not win the White House any time soon. All we have to do is leave them alone to implode, and say "so long, it's been nice to know ya, so sad, too bad, but you will not listen to reason". If there is anything that Reps. can do to help you, just ask.

As far as the East is from the West, that is how far DUmbs are from winning any future election.

Wasn't a court talking about closing some sort of outside advertiser money raising loophole after the election?

Since the Democrats are better at raising this sort of money than the Republicans (even if the Swifties made much better adds), I can imagine the Republicans changing the rules (if they have to) to cripple MoveOn etc...

...

On another topic I can imagine Terry McAuliffe responding to that email with his own telling MoveOn that if they're unsatisfied with the Democratic they're free to take their donors over to the competition and raise money for the Republicans. Heh.

"It's just a flesh wound! Come here, I'll bite your ankles!"

Act out your own version of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Black Knight as Velco ® attached arms and legs that reveal bloody stumps - sorry, flesh wounds! (15"h). Baby Rabbit with Big Pointy Teeth (the one Tim the Enchanter warned you about) has springy jaws that clip to various objects - like noses (6"h). Rubber powered Cow Catapult ("Fetchez la vache!") comes with flingable cows, sheep, and ducks (6"w x 4"h x 3"d). Black Beast of Aaaarrrggghhh re-enacts the tragedy of Brave Sir Robin by pulling on the string, a loud voice chips sets the monster roaring as its many eyes joggle about (15"h)

The LLL's learned the lesson of the Silent Majority. Those terms should be archaic by now, but they are back in vogue. The hawks, doves, silent majority, bleeding heart liberals.

Cept this time someone attacked us. Several times. This time it is a Republican and not, Kennedy, the Democrat, who got us into Vietnam. He actually wanted to go into Laos instead, but the Laotians were tougher.

#105 Bubble Girl

Swampwoman - LOL, nope never been called one, never even heard the term till now. Where have I been? A Navaho woman who has a white husband told me she was called apple.
Red on the outside, white, inside.

Shooo. Glad you clarified that, I was thinkin "yellow on the outside, white on the inside? Green on the outside, white on the inside?"

My boyfriend is African-American, but he is lighter than I am, we both have green eyes, I got mine from my ancestors from Spain. Some of them were blonde and light eyed. My family has been in Texas since before the Civil War.

There's a black guy from Texas lives near me, raises cattle. Always has a cowboy hat on and a big ol' wad o' chewin' baccy in his cheek. Tips his hat to all the ladies and says "howdy, ma'am". Drives a big ol' pickup and generally out rednecks the rednecks.

Nope, don't think any of them liberal dem's would like him much. They don't much like the black folk from Barbados or Cuba or Puerto Rico or Haiti or Jamaica, come to think of it, particularly when they don't jump right on the oppressed bandwagon but count themselves blessed to be here.

#107 hornet

No really, "demonically inspired", I mean it alliterated but I doubt the devil was FDR's main inspiration, ya know?

As for never winning again, remember that the democrats came within a few percent running John Fucking Kerry. They need someone much smarter and more likeable as Kerry, but most people are born smarter and more likeable than JK. I mean JK really set himself up to lose, didn't he?

Of course, none of the other candidates that almost made it out of the nominating process were much better.

But think about the fact that if they ever find another Bill Clinton, it will be a whole 'nother ball game.

Perhaps saner, middle of the road Democrats will realise that their party is doomed without them and start voting in primaries.

WAY OT:

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Comic book hero Tintin never aged during his 50-year career because the repeated blows he took to the head triggered a growth hormone deficiency, according to an analysis in the Christmas edition of a Canadian medical journal.

Claude Cyr, a professor of medicine at Quebec's Sherbrooke University, said a study of the 23 hugely popular Tintin books showed the intrepid Belgian reporter suffered 50 significant losses of consciousness during his many adventures.

"We hypothesize that Tintin has growth hormone deficiency and hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (a disorder of the pituitary gland) from repeated trauma. This could explain his delayed statural growth, delayed onset of puberty and lack of libido," Cyr wrote.

His article was in the Canadian Medical Association Journal, which has a tradition of publishing studies into the ailments of fictional characters in its Christmas edition.

Tintin was created by Belgium's Georges Remi under the pen name Herge. The teenage character first appeared in 1929 and despite the passing of almost five decades was as fresh-faced as ever in the pages of the last book to feature him, which appeared in 1976.

Cyr, who wrote the study with the help of his two young sons, noted that Tintin had been knocked out 43 times by serious blows to the head.

"We identified the cause of the trauma, the length of loss of consciousness (calculated by the number of cartoon frames before Tintin returns to normal activity) and the apparent severity of the trauma (indicated by the number of objects e.g., stars, candles revolving above Tintin's head)," he said.

Among the main reasons for Tintin's injuries were blows from a club, bullet wounds, explosions, car accidents, chloroform poisoning and falls.

"Unfortunately, no brain imaging was performed," Cyr lamented.

Tintin traveled all over the world with his white terrier Snowy as he battled foes as varied as drug dealers, Incan priests, slave traders and the Abominable Snowman. The books have been translated into 60 languages and have sold 200 million copies.

In 2000 the Canadian Medical Association Journal caused something of an uproar by revealing that Winnie the Pooh's continuous search for honey was caused by obsessive compulsive disorder, Piglet needed anti-panic medication, while Eeyore was massively depressed.

Another study surmised that Beatrix Potter's ever energetic Squirrel Nutkin character was in fact autistic.

109 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

I want the beast of Arrrgh, and the bunny.

I think I've seen versions of that bunny with a mouth that goes back even further - I want that.

#113 pookleblinky

Did they study what's wrong with Howard Dean.

Actually it's his followers that worry me, but Riech is the only guy I can think of who tried to analyse whole countries.

Since he escaped the Nazis, I imagine that if he was alive today (and if he hadn't gone insane) he might be a bit less complacient about the Islamofascists than the head in the sand democrats... I wonder what he would have said about this last election.

#112... Shall I say "at this point in time", DEMs are...

There was nothing positive in DEMS approach this time. It was all based on hate for GWB. As long as they argue and fight amongst each other, blame someone else for their own shortcomings in this election loss, they will not change. Leave them be.

This is wonderful news.

Socialism is dead.

Its defenders reduced to cannabalism.

#115 Joshua

William Reich was praised and respected for TWO DECADES before people realized he was completely batshit.

"Orgones"-invisible particles in the air keeping people healthy, collected by an:

"Orgone accumulator"-a metal shed that collects orgones, in which one performs a:

"Violent frontal assault on genital musculature"-self explanatory.

Connect them all: crazy people masturbating in outhouses. This was praised by the psychiatric profession!

#116 hornet

Yeah it occured to me the other day that Dems treat anyone who'd support the Iraq war as a heretic. That sort of thinking precludes clear thinking. How did we get in this hole?

WAY WAY OT:

"Victory in Entebbe" is playing on DirecTV. I've never seen it until now. It's kind of interesting to see how Hollywood portrayed Israel in 1976.

Anthony Hopkins (a young version of Hopkins) is PM Rabin.

I'm having a tough time with Burt Lancaster as Shimon Peres, though (especially a big strapping, yelling Burt Lancaster who is pounding on the table.)

The most oft-repeated sentence I've seen is "Israel does NOT negotiate with terrorists." Again, this movie was made in 1976 (in the same year as the actual events.) I think it was a made-for-TV movie. This sentence is striking in being something the U.S. said repeatedly after 9/11.

They're mentioning famous terrorist attacks in Israel (ones I've heard about that happened in the early 1970s.)

There are also some cute lines about Israelis. This one is from one Israeli to another: "You want me to be polite?!? I'm an Israeli. Israelis aren't polite!" :)

Elizabeth Taylor and Kirk Douglas are also in this movie.

Richard Dreyfus plays Yonni Netanyahu (Benjamin's brother) who was a casualty in the attack.

What's so spooky about this movie is that this same terrorism has gotten so global in the nearly 30 years since this hijacking.

The world let the devil Arafat and the other monsters keep going and now we're all into this stance: "We do NOT negotiate with terrorists." (Well, many nations try to say this, anyway.)

#118 pookleblinky

As he went crazy he though he could see life force energy healing cancer cells (looking through his microscope). He saw glowing energy that he thought came from sex.

And he saw flying saucers that he thought were attacking us...

I never thought about it before, but the movie "Liquid Sky" is similar to Reich's delusion about aliens.

I don't know if orgies can keep people healthy, but why don't we just try it for a while and see if works? Never mind :)

You bought it, now you break it.

Oh, you already did that, too.

So there we have it, Moveon the official American(?) organization which brings us the message, 'All you party and politics are belong to us.'

WASHINGTON - Liberal powerhouse MoveOn has a message for the “professional election losers” who run the Democratic Party: “We bought it, we own it, we’re going to take it back.”

This has to be another Iowahawk post. They can't be that stupid, can they?

Under McAuliffe’s leadership, the message said, the party coddled the same corporate donors that fund Republicans to bring in money at the expense of vision and integrity.

Someday they will find out that "vision and integrity" doesn't sell well to the American people when it comes from socialists. Then they will see the wisdom of their elders.

#10 Tumuslus

Revenge of the Deaniacs !

Donations from Capitalists no longer accepted.

Time to purge the the party of it's counter-revolutionary elements.

Y'all have fun playing out in the wilderness.

Well stated.

Don't forget about THESE PICTURES of MoveOn head Honcho Joan Blades hanging out with Gloria la Riva, psychotic Queen of the Moonbats and old-style Communist. MoveOn is secretly so far left they've crossed the double-yellow line and their heading straight into oncoming traffic.

If you haven't seen it already - MoveOnPlease.org - Funny stuff.

#127 zombie
their = they're

/oops

#127 Zombie --- Also, the remized version

Read this with bigel's glasses on:

"For years, the party has been led by elite Washington insiders who are closer to corporate lobbyists than they are to the Democratic base," said the e-mail from MoveOn PAC's Eli Pariser. "But we can't afford four more years of leadership by a consulting class of professional election losers."

"Corporate lobbyists" and "consulting class" are LLL codewords for anti-Semitism just in the same way that "rootless cosmopolitans" and "intellectual elite" were for Stalin. This fits perfectly to MoveOn's record of Holocaust inversion. Too bad for them that they must limit their Great Purgery to ranting and firing some people and cannot put their collective whipping boy on trial.

#125 Dar ul Harbarian

I seem to remember an article for a newspaper (Seattle?) from before the election that stated that this would pretty much happen. The sentiment was that if Kerry won the MoveOn et al crowd would demand control of the Kerry administration and party aparatus on the basis that they were the ones who won it for him; and if they lost they would demand control of the party on the basis that the New Democrats had taken the party so Right that it no longer represented "true democrats" (read moonbat LLL). Either way considering thay seem to be the Democratic Parties funding base a swing hard left seems inevitable. Which is fine by me, BTW. If you spen any time perusing the DU you can see that for the nutcase core of the Party, it is still not left enough for their tastes. Many are threatening to bolt to the Greens, which will only further marginalize and splinter the Democrats.

PWN3D

#133 evildoer

? Forgive me it's early.

Actually, I think the Dhimmi Party will fade to irrelevance, and the Republican Party will eventually split into a Conservative party and a Moderate Party.

With GWB's acceptance of illegal alien amnesty and acceptance of high social spending, he represents the future Moderate Wing of the party. He'd be toward the conservative side of the Moderate party, but he'd be Moderate. Snow, Chafee and Specter would be the left wing of that party.

The few Republicans who actually stood up for real immigration reforms/opposed illegal alien driver's licenses would be the core of the Conservative wing.

Latest GFS no longer predicts snow for Houston Christmas Eve, but does still predict extreme cold, Christmas morning lows in upper 20s for HOU, teens for most of rest of Texas, with the only part of the country above freezing the coastal areas of California, Oregon and Washington State, most of the state of Florida and a narrow section of the southeast coast as far north as Cape Hatteras.

Everybody else below freezing for Christmas, with snow on the ground in the Rockies, West Texas, and most of the Northeast and Lakes. Sub-Zero (Farenheit) cold from Minnesota into Ohio.

#135 Ed

OT... at the end of the story, the Reynolds number for my system is anyway

#135 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C

Interesting observation on a possible coming split in the Republican ranks. After the dust has settled maybe we'll se an aliance of moderate dems and republicans? with the hard Left of the Dems and the Conservative Right of the Republicans going their own seperate ways? I'm just speculating.
I've gotta agree with you on the immigration issue. One problem I see, however, is convincing the portion of the country where this is not a problem that it is an issue that must be addressed. For example, here in Pittsburgh, we see none of this. I have yet to hear Spanish spoken outside of a classroom in all of my 36 years except when I travel to other parts of the country. For many years it has been framed as a work/economic issue. Perhaps it should be redefined as one of National Security?

BTW: What are your models saying for Christmas in Pittsburgh? The new home in the counrty would liik great with a fresh blanket of snow. :)

OT

Bush, Rumsfeld Try to Soothe Angry U.S. Troops MSM Leftist Goons
[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

#131 leo (dissident view from Berlin)

Corporate lobbyists" and "consulting class" are LLL codewords for anti-Semitism just in the same way that "rootless cosmopolitans" and "intellectual elite" were for Stalin. This fits perfectly to MoveOn's record of Holocaust inversion. Too bad for them that they must limit their Great Purgery to ranting and firing some people and cannot put their collective whipping boy on trial.

No they're not.

"Corporate lobbyists" translates to "Corporate lobbyists"

Americans DON'T see the class divide as being between Christians/gentiles and Jews, but between the salaried class/working class against the executives/pension fund babies.

The holocaust inversion stuff was just hatred for hawkish republicans learned from the 60s and amplified by second hand mythologizing for the next generation. Hawkish Republicans are seen as mythological evil criminals and Jews have nothing to do with this myth. Hitler is used just as the icon of pure evil.

You broke it, you own it.

I hope they own it for many years to come.

Bye bye Democrats.

Under McAuliffe's leadership, the message said, the party coddled the same corporate donors that fund Republicans to bring in money at the expense of vision and integrity

Errr, no. According to an article this fall in The Atlantic magazine, this is not so. The three largest donor groups to the Democratic Party?

Organized labour (naturally enough)

Hollywood (no surprise)

The American Trial Lawyers (hmmm...tort reform, anyone? NOT!)

OT.

Beautiful sunrise in Houston this morning. Actually, when I was driving in, it was still before dawn, but the Eastern sky was a warm orange color, and there was actually a "ray" pattern, hard to describe, escept that it reminded me somewhat of the "Rising Sun" Japanese flag except orange on blue.

There was also just the hint of a sliver of the Moon left, and one of the planets was visible.

The crescent moon did remind me than an Islamic month is about to begin. I hope it isn't a month where the Muslims feel an extra need to blow things up.

On the radio, heard the Van Haggar song that used to have the Navy Blue Angels video on MTV. I haven't seen that video in a long time, partly because MTV doesn't show many videos, and the few they do are rarely rock. VH-1 doesn't even show videos anymore. Maybe also because the Navy transitioned to the F/A-18 Hornet strike fighter for the Blue Angels shortly after).

It got me thinking about the USS Forrestal (which made me think of the movie about the Forrestal we had to watch in boot camp, made in the early 70s, with the moral of the movie summed up in best '70s style "Learn or Burn, Baby, Learn or Burn").

Anyway, John McCain was the Skyhawk pilot whose plane was hit by a misfired missile that started the Forrestal fire.

Now I know McCain seems to like press coverage a little more than he should, and he is somewhat to the left of the party mainstream. Rush Limbaugh, the mouthpiece of the GOP, criticizes him regularly, but McCain turned down the VP nod from Kerry, and a Kerry-McCain ticket would have had a far better chance of winning than Kerry-Edwards, so I do respect his loyalty.

McCain might become the nucleus of a future Moderate party, assuming the split occurs before he gets too much older.

Radical leftists in Lake Tahoe practice hate with a spray can.

The trouble is, of course, that the US needs a viable opposition. It keeps the Republicans in check and makes sure they don't go loopy themselves. I do hope the DNC will pull their finger out eventually and get their act together.

#134 beblebrox

see pwn3d

People of sense to Moveon.org:

Why are you still here?

#145 evildoer

Thanks! A day in which you don't learn something is a day wasted!

This is awsome. A possible civil war in the democrat party will be great in 2008!

#132 beblebrox

That was my biggest worry about a potential Kerry presidency. The 527's played such a key role in fundraising for Kerry that his victory would have allowed them to basically own his presidency. Since most of the 527's on the left represented the lunatic fringes, people who opposed the Afghanistan war, for example, I was horrified to think of what they would demand from a President Kerry, who by virtue of accepting millions of their dollars would be in a position to owe them big time.

Thankfully the country won't have to be put the the ordeal of that.

#149 mike58520

We sure dodged the bullet this time. Hopefully as the LLL comes out of the woodwork it will serve as a wakeup call to sane Democrats to assert their influence and retake their party. If we are going to wage political war by 527, then they will have to form their own.

Dear Santa:

I have been a good girl this year, and for Christmas I would really like for Howard Dean to become the DNC Chair. And also Team America on DVD.

John McCain and the USS Forrestal.

ABHC Gerald Farrier, USS Forrestal, died in service to his country.

Sailors to the End

DING DONG THE LEFT IS DEAD, THE LEFT IS DEAD, WHICH OLD LEFT? THE WICKED LEFT!

Well, lots of the Dems down my way (Florida) expressed their displeasure about the direction the party was leaning by voting for W. The Dems in state government (now getting to be an endangered species) are differentiating themselves from the DNC, calling themselves "Mainstreet Democrats".

I think reformation is a-comin and it's gonna leave a mark.

Reckon once the dust clears and the screaming stops, we'll end up with a Republican party, a Democrat party, and a Moonbat party.

MoveOn's buying the Democratic party ranks right up there with Kmart buying Sears, Packard buying Studebaker, or Burroughs buying Sperry.

Two drunks trying to prop each other up.

Friday morning, and waiting for a new day's threads to kick off. Curse these time zone differences anyway. And it's going to get a lot worse for me come Sunday.

But anyway, I read that post and other stories on the same subject this AM. And I find it really hard to fault MoveOn.org's argument. They did buy and pay for the Democratic party, and should definitely get it. Please, please, please ! I cannot imagine a better outcome. OK, it would be really nice to have a sensible major opposition party, but since that doesn't seem to be in the cards, let the complete loons pull down their own house.

OT, and in case you didn't see it on the earlier thread and do view this one, my thanks to dustyroadguy for those great linguistic links last night - I hope to get to them today once I settle this visa and flight arrangement crap.

#154 Swamp Woman

You may be right with that three party system theory! (The Moonbat Party---Hah!)

I love it.

:>)

The Republican booth: "We will deregulate industry, remove the income tax, and reduce government spending to securing your rights."

The Democrat booth: "We will introduce some government intervention, but those damn Republicans won't let us really screw you."

The Moonbat booth: "We will fry your dog and send you to the gulags if you don't vote for us! Yeaaagh!"

Absolutely priceless!

More confirmation that we are winning and that they are spiraling into national irrelevance.

Wow, this is gonna be fun to watch.

OT

I see the Nobel Peace Laureate Wangari Maathai is trying to resurrect the old myth - popular with Islamists - of AIDS being a man-made disease, devised by the West to depopulate Africa: [Link: www.nytimes.com...]

"Do not be naïve," she was reported to have told participants at an AIDS workshop in her home city of Nyeri, Kenya, on Aug. 30. "AIDS is not a curse from God to Africans or the black people. It is a tool to control them designed by some evil-minded scientists."

The idea that AIDS might have been accidentally started by an immunization programme is usually attributed to Edward Hooper: [Link: www.uow.edu.au...]

My central hypothesis was that the Aids pandemic was sparked by an experimental oral polio vaccine (OPV) called CHAT, which was fed to more than a million infants, children and adults in the former Belgian colonies of central Africa between 1957 and 1960

It doesn't hold water. One very early case of AIDS was a British merchant seaman who, on returning from Africa, suffered a wasting disease and died in 1952. His serum was saved and tested in the 1980's and found to be HIV positive. This predates the immunization programme.

The most reasonable idea is that AIDS has been present in small pockets for a very long time, but began to spread only when modern transport developed and populations shifted.

It seems the Nobel Committee may have got the Peace thing wrong again.

Oh I'm so scared... the left wing OWN the Democrat party ..now they will run on their real anti-american platform..we capitalist pigs will surely fail in all our plots now.

NOT

I could see this thread only now, and of course I can't read all the posts,so please forgive me if I repeat what has already been said:

if the demonrats really fall into the dirty hands of the moveon commie crowd, they are done forever.

And the Country needs a second, powerful, reliable Party.

All this is great.

First of all, I'd like to thank Michael Moore, who gave us the Republican victory. Then, thanks to George Soros, who bought the democrat party for Michael and the Moveon folk. Nice. Honorable mention goes to Al Gore and Jimmy Carter, and let's not forget the man of the hour: Osama Bin Laden, whose last minute video giving thumbs up to John Kerry all but assured the Republicans of four more years, and maybe more.

Oh yes, I too used to be a democrat. And they left me. I was a John Kennedy democrat believing in democracy and America as the greatest country in the world. Now it is the Republican party that represents the best of this country.

Three thoughts:

1. The other, more responsible parts of the Democratic party are not just going to go down without a fight. This intramural food fight was long predicted and is being covered extensively by the Democratic blogs.

For a different take on what's needed in the Democratic party, here's The New Republic:

Kerry was a flawed candidate, but he was not the fundamental problem. The fundamental problem was the party's liberal base, which would have refused to nominate anyone who proposed redefining the Democratic Party in the way the ADA did in 1947. The challenge for Democrats today is not to find a different kind of presidential candidate. It is to transform the party at its grassroots so that a different kind of presidential candidate can emerge. That means abandoning the unity-at-all-costs ethos that governed American liberalism in 2004. And it requires a sustained battle to wrest the Democratic Party from the heirs of Henry Wallace. In the party today, two such heirs loom largest: Michael Moore and MoveOn.

A Fighting Faith

2. The Republicans contain just as many fissures and rivalries as the Democrats, maybe more. Let's remember that a few hundred thousand different votes would have had the Republicans at each other's throats instead of the Democrats.

3. Hubris is also an issue in the Bush Administration. My prediction is that, absent another national security crisis, Democrats will rebound back into power when Bush's economic mismanagement comes back to bite us all in the ass. It will happen. The only question is when.

Hey folks, current UK odds on the next president:
12/10/04

Hilary Clinton 5/1
Rudolph Giuliani 8/1
Bill Richardson 10/1
Condoleezza Rice 10/1
John Edwards 10/1
Tom Ridge 12/1
Bill First 14/1
Colin Powell 14/1
George Allen 16/1
Arnold Schwarzenegger 20/1
Evan Bayh 20/1
Jeb Bush 20/1
Mitch Romney 20/1
Rick Santorum 20/1
Tom Vilsack 20/1
George Pataki 25/1
Bob Ehrlich 33/1
Charles Schumer 33/1
Chuck Hagel 33/1
John Mccain 33/1
Mark Warner 33/1
Tom Daschle 33/1
Al Gore 40/1
Harold Ford Jnr 40/1
Barack Obama 50/1
Howard Dean 50/1
John Kerry 50/1
Dick Cheney 66/1

Check it yourself from time to time at

[Link: politicalbetting.bestbetting.com...]

We have 4 years to have fun with this! Charles, you might consider pulling this off to a separate thread.

VV

Just a side note: "Pariser" is German slang for "condom"!

#166 VV

For you racing fans, I would consider the above as the 'morning line'. From now on odds will change as bets are placed; e.g. as more bets placed on Condi, her odds will get better, etc.

What should we use as the "Racing Form"? That is the authority
on handicaping this contest.

VV

Forgotten, but not gone.

A gem of delusion from Bill Moyers.

"I'm going out telling the story that I think is the biggest story of our time: how the right-wing media has become a partisan propaganda arm of the Republican National Committee," says Moyers. "We have an ideological press that's interested in the election of Republicans, and a mainstream press that's interested in the bottom line. Therefore, we don't have a vigilant, independent press whose interest is the American people."

Wait?!?!?!?! There's a Right Wing Media? Why didn't anyone tell me? Where can I join? When's the kegger?

This last election was not the mortal blow to the Democratic Party, for they voted well.

However, it is important because the seeds have been sown for a complete humiliation - next time, in 2008.

It will happen through events like this: Communist takeovers of the party, arrogant characterizations of the other, etc.

In the end the party will have to move to the right, not to the left, to recover.

It's funny that they see it the other way around.

#170 Patrizio

Correctumundo! Watch Hillary. She will begin to sound like Maggie Thatcher. 'Iron Lady II'. IMHO. Brace yourself.

VV

#137 beblebrox -

For example, here in Pittsburgh, we see none of this. I have yet to hear Spanish spoken outside of a classroom

I live in Pittsburgh too. Yesterday, I saw 3 Hispanic males (in SqHill), and they were speaking Spanish. A few yrs ago, TCI Cable had some Mexicans from TX working out in the East suburbs. They were digging, and couldn't read the warning signs - people were yelling at them, but soon a few homes exploded (nat gas). It's only been the past few yrs, but I've seen more and more Hispanics here (never many - I see more Russians - but the Hispanics stand out because I'm not used to hearing Spanish - Chinese, French, German Russian, Hebrew, Arabic - yes...)

You infected it. And you can feed on its it's purulent corpse forever, baby.

I think it's a bit too soon to write off the Dems. The Reps will get into trouble thinking this. It's only a few weeks since the election.

#139 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar - Thanks for the correction. So it only resonates with the Europeanists in the Democratic Party, not with the culture in which it is acting. I see.

Radical Left-Wing Hubris: "We Own You."

Charles, is it hubris if it's true? ;-p

#8 tomthorn:

I wonder if they actually believe that by moving the DNC further left they will attract more voters.

Yes. They do.

Of course they're insane... :-D

"I wonder if they actually believe that by moving the DNC further left they will attract more voters."

They most definitely believe this!

It's like trying to make friends with people by pooping in their yard and then deciding when they hate you that you just didn't poop in their yard enough.

The left has this kind of backward thinking as a habit -- eg, they think that if you fawn all over terrorists and they ramp up their terrorism and mass murder many times over, then it means that you just didn't fawn over the terrorists ENOUGH.

Kerry hired a guy who hadn't won ANY major elections to be in charge of his campaign.

Whatever this guy had done to lose 6 or 7 times before, Kerry allowed him to do these things even more so he would lose again.

Who thinks like this besides the looney left?

When people hire employees, who purposely hires someone who has done nothing but fail?

Also, the looney left revolves their whole foreign policy stance around "winning the hearts and minds" of our enemies (those who are killing us and those who jump up and down in glee when we die.)

Yet, they campaigned in our American elections with a virulent hate fest against Bush and all those who like him as their way to try to get Kerry elected.

Don't know about anyone else, but I didn't feel the love. :(

Any movement that equates Bush with Hitler but ignores true tyrants like Castro has no moral compass whatsoever...

#175 leo (dissident view from Berlin)

WWII seemed to erase any real antisemitism from American culture. Previously Jews could be professionals (and often were) but they were not accepted as leaders... That prejudice largely dissolved, thus Jews are as equally accepted at all levels of American society as Asians now are. Not, perhaps likely to become president, but welcome at all other levels.

That does not make radical support for the Arab who want to destroy Israel any less ugly, but I almost feel as if this comes from a brand new source - Arab sourced propaganda accepted uncritically by the alternative media and sometimes filtered uncritically by the mainstream media.

I have a feeling that this infusion of anti-Israel incitement will eventually harden into classical antisemitism but right now it rests soley on lies, exagurations and one sided accounts that gullible people believe, having heard this stuff for a long time without having had their unreliable sources challenged.

When you argue with Americans (other than Muslims) about Israel, they're likely to bring up specific news stories they've read... Of course if you argue with Muslims they bring up fantastic conspiracy theories and myths of pure evil - they're real antisemites.

#175 leo (dissident view from Berlin)

Another point, is that the anti-Israeli incitement is mostly in the left media, not the mainstream media here which is unsympathetic to both sides. And there is a Christian media which is sympthetic to Israel..

So unlike Europe, most Americans don't have a strong opinion about Israel and those who do are equally divided.

But just like Europe, the new left antisemites outnumber the old right antisemites.

hmmm...We donated money to your organization, we OWN you.

Let me see if I got this straight. The moveon idiots are having a problem with the Dems ... uhh...selling out to big business (they claim) and that said big business OWNS the DNC. Well if they'd like it back, would'nt it be reasonable to assume that for propertly ownership to transfer to the moveon idiots they'd have to buy it from big business ?

Also they seem to have forgetten that they gave the DNC voluntary contibutions. There is NO ownership in that type of exchange.

I wonder if they would feel the same way if they gave 10$ to a homeless person on the street.

"OK bum...you got 10$ of my money. I OWN your ass!"

Best way of describing the marriage of MoveOn.org and the Democratic party: neocommunists or neo-Soviets.

They might as well change the donkey to the bear, with the hammer and sickle on top.