I don't wanna be first here

500 brave souls decided to speak up. I don't even want to think about the thousands and thousands of children who dare not do so.

What else is new?

Notice that there were 2,000 complaints last year, none of which were prosecuted. We're talking about untold thousands of incidents of child sexual abuse, just within the last few years.

And for every incident that was reported, there were probably dozens that weren't.

zulubaby
My thoughts exactly.

sick sick sick =( i weep for those innocent little ones. we really don't know how deep this perverted, hate-filled, EVIL rabbit hole goes.

i don't think i want the blue pill... i couldn't function knowing the details.

Islam is a religion of victimisation.

oops, i meant the RED pill

*knocks self on head*

I think these creeps are taking the koran far too literally.

You know, John Edwards really ought to be on the first plane headin' for Pakistan tomorrow. Looks like they really, really, really need some personal injury lawyers there.

Well, as the sex abuse scandals in the Catholic Church showed, evil and perversion isn't just a Muslim problem, and there were coverups.

Of course, the death threats is a uniquely Muslim phenomena.

Charles,

Notice that there were 2,000 complaints last year, none of which were prosecuted.

I missed that. And yes, for all those who spoke up, there are undoubtedly far more who didn't. It's sickening. I wonder if this will make news at all. The "clerics" are already making themselves the victims and in order to preserve their feelings, the problem will be ignored.

' A Pakistani minister has revealed hundreds of cases of alleged child sex abuse at Islamic schools, or madrassas. '

' Pakistan is stepping up its anti-Aids campaign, and the idea is to utilise the clerics' unique reach into communities to increase HIV/Aids awareness and to preach prevention. '

. Looks like the clerics are already utilising their unique reach.

Do the kids need to ask why the Muslim leaders hate them- or is it just Americans and Israelis that need to ask that?

The Catholic Church accusations are out there in the open and being dealt with. No more sweeping it under the rug. The Church, and all churches, pay and pay big for the transgression of covering up the crimes.

Not one successful prosecution at a Maddrasah? Out of thousands of complaints?

And what the heck happened to those who brought charges?

Notice how the number willing to bring charges drops like a stone after thousands go without justice.

Well, as the sex abuse scandals in the Catholic Church showed, evil and perversion isn't just a Muslim problem, and there were coverups.

Yeah those damn Catholics, just as bad as the muslims.

# 12 zb

The only good I can see from this is that it was the Beeb that actually carried it ...

I thought I cried enough watching the second plane hit TWC... it seems some things don't end. I guess it never will.
Not that anyone would notice, but I'll be away for a while.

"Religion of . . ." er, what's a one-word way to say "sicko child molesters"?

I posted this awhile ago on the "stopped another Madrid" thread. Plenty of comments there already.

eieio, where are you going?

# 19 C

pedophilia is a bit overused when describing them, huh?
:-(

Can we call them evil yet?

#19 Cornholio

"Religion of . . ." er, what's a one-word way to say "sicko child molesters"?

Mohammedans

While I'm solidly anti-terrorist and anti-islamofascist, and I'm a Christian, I wouldn't want to gloat about this one too much. Our Church doesn't have a very good track record either.

This is who we're fighting against. Buggerers of boys. Medieval barbarians who will stone a female rape victim to death for "adultery", but think nothing of molesting some poor young kid. Islam is so sick and twisted it's hard to find the words.

"Child sex abuse in religious schools! whatta scoop!"

"They're Islamic madrassas, pinhead."

"Oh. OK everyone, let's go after that humvee story!"

Eight year-olds, Dude.

Tsk tsk, such a terrible lack of morality!

This sounds like a job for the Radical Pizza Delivery Squad (raisins not included)

Kyle_st, I don't see any gloating. I feel sorry for the kids no matter what their religion. I just hope that by exposing it, it can be addressed. This is unacceptable.

# 27 pb

So true it ceases to be funny ...
:-(

#11 Ed Moran

Well, as the sex abuse scandals in the Catholic Church showed, evil and perversion isn't just a Muslim problem, and there were coverups.

Now, I'm not exactly a fan of the Catholic religion, but still. Even the pervert priest thing doesn't amount to 2000 a year, in one country alone.

This madrassa thing indicates a rampant amount of perversion on the part of these ulamas or whatever they call them in Pakistan.

"Religion of . . ." er, what's a one-word way to say "sicko child molesters"?

Religion of Grease?

/ducks head

I heard that most of the complaints pointed a finger at an obese, bearded, Michigan State cap wearing, movie promoting American. Does anybody know if Mikey Moron has been to Pakistan for a F 911 promotional tour?

Not Too OT:

It is happening in the US also. Here is a link to a Report on the U.S. Department of Education website documenting that 9.6 % of ALL children in American public schools are sexually abused by a staff member at some point in their education.

It is a powerful argument for homeschooling.

Buckaroo (#17)

The only good I can see from this is that it was the Beeb that actually carried it ...

Screw the BBC. Wanna bet that they're playing this one down?

The allegations involving Pakistan's Sunni majority and Shia minority referred to a tiny proportion of the country's 10,000 or so madrassas, he said.

Yes, it's always that tinyteenyweeny minority. The rest are angels.

From a website that gives Imams tips on dealing with sexual abuse (edited for space). Note how, in part three, the victim gets blamed when we learn that if people dressed and behaved modestly, these things would not happen. One wonders what salacious ways children dress in maddrassahs to attract innocent Imams to sin. Sick bastards:

"8 tips for Imams for dealing with sexual abuse, assault and harassment in the Non Western Countries

Sexual abuse, sexual harassment and sexual assault may sound like graphic Western terms for a Western problem, but they are not. These are crimes as old as humanity itself.

These are problems and sicknesses which have quietly plagued Muslim societies as well. Imams definitely have a role to play in helping stop abusers and harassers, and aiding victims of these crimes:

1. Know the definition of the terms

Sexual harassment includes touching someone sexually who a person is not married to. Sexual assault includes rape or attacking someone sexually, even if sexual intercourse does not take place. Sexual abuse happens over a period of time. Often this includes incest, or sexual relations between family members like parents and children, or brothers and sisters. Sex abuse is normally directed towards young boys and women.

2. Know the correct Islamic perspective on the issue

If Islamic rules of modesty and relations between men, women and families were respected, there would be no sexual abuse or harassment. Women and men would both dress and behave modestly; they would not look at, let alone touch, members of the opposite sex whom it is Haram (forbidden) to touch; parents and children would know the Islamic rules of privacy even between family members. Proper Islamic education is clearly needed and that is where the Imam and the Masjid clearly play a role.

3. Start by approaching the issue indirectly

It is highly unlikely that you will be able to talk about such an issue very openly or graphically, even if you want to, in Khutbas (sermons) dars, etc. This is why you must take an indirect approach.

You can, for instance, discuss the Islamic perspective on how men and women should interact: what is Islamically appropriate behavior and what is not.

The topic of sexual abuse in the family can be dealt with by discussing Islamic guidelines of interaction within the family and the concept of "Mahram" in Islam. Also, discussing the issue of privacy, (i.e. the importance of knocking before entering a room, even within the home) can be a way of addressing this topic without becoming too graphic or shocking...

4. Be open to the concerns of women

Most victims of sexual crimes are women and children. In order for you to be able to help them, they obviously need a way to contact you. One of these ways it to make sure your mosque is open to both men and women. Remember that it is the right of Muslim women to go to the mosque, according to Allah and His Prophet...Remember that the Imam is the leader of the community, not of men only.

6. Talk about proper Islamic etiquette between the sexes in a dars

If you teach classes and dars (Quran lecture), make sure this topic is openly discussed, but once again with wisdom... Be open to the questions and address the misunderstandings about male-female relationships in and outside the family which continue to plague Muslims.

7. Work in cooperation with police and government officials to end these crimes."

Sure. And 2,000 complaints were reported and dealt with by the police by not making one prosecution. Nice going!

I wonder why to date there have been no successful prosecutions.

Is it that the kids are too frightened to testify? Is it that the government there thinks that it is politically better to just cover up what is going on? Is it that the parents of these kids are afraid to make waves? On whose side are the rest of the clerics, the ones who don't abuse the kids?

Is the power of the clerics so great that the whole system -- kids, parents, government -- are intimidated?

Wouldn't the clerics who don't abuse their students have a better reputation if they would insist on cleaning up their ranks, and letting the prosecutions proceed?

It is good that the problem has been revealed, because it is not possible to fix a problem if it is concealed. Now the question is, what are they going to do about it? The ones making death threats against the whistleblower are just adding to the bloody, violent reputation of Muslim society.

The muslim world needs advertisements like this.

The bitter truth is that child sex abuse is openly supported by many in Islam. A few words from (May Piss be Upon Him) The Ayatollah Khomeini:

"Quotes from Islam's Most Famous Spokesman

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate; sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister.

Ayatollah Khomeini

It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.

Ayatollah Khomeini

A man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.

Ayatollah Khomeini
(Quotes above are from Khomeini's book, Tahrirolvasyleh, vol. 4, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990, Source: Homa)

If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, an ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned.

Ayatollah Khomeini"

Rot in hell you evil motherfucker. Excuse me, evil baby and goat fucker.

I don't believe this story is true, 'cause no mater how hard I try, I don't see how the Zionists or the Mossad could possibly pull off this bit of 'making the muslims look bad'.

Ergo, it ain't true.

/LLL, Arab media - (just you wait and see if this reasoning doesn't show up in Al-Ahram.)

OT: A shockwave for our soldiers.

[Link: www.soldierworks.com...]

I posted this on the wrong thread in error. Here it is again.

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So many known events and no prosecutions.

So, the clerics threaten the whistleblower with death. Now, who is surprised by this?

Islam's answer to everything is death.

And we allow this cancer into our society.

In California (Cupertino?) in the public school children are told to read the Koran, dress in Muslim clothing, say Muslim prayers, etc., yet all mention of Christianity is forbidden. Even the Declaration of Independance and the writings of Madison and Penn are forbidden because of the mention of God. Yet Islam is taught and encouraged!

Any mention of Christmas or what it is is forbidden.

We have allowed Death into our body politic and we shall suffer badly for it.

+Photi

#44

That made me cry.

# 35 s

That'd be great, but a quick check of Hugh's blog shows nothing re: that ...
:-(

Lebanon threatens media action against France

This one's rich.

France let's in Hizboola TV, which promptly blames Israel for spreading AIDS in the arab world.

France threatens to close down Hizboola TV, and Lebanon threatens to retaliate by stopping French braodcasts in Lebanon.

Looks like the moral of the stroy is 'once there is an islamic presence anywhere, in any realm, even TV, it cannot be withdrawn.

Heh.

Memo to Hizboola TV:

Check out the sexual behaviour at the paki madrassas, and get back to us about who exactly may be spreading AIDS.

I'm not Catholic bashing.

I went to Communion last night, as a matter of fact.

No, I went Wednesday night.

Close enough.

What’s there problem , got board with sheep?

# 49 s

Seen in Islamic butcher shop --

Local meat -- $6/kg
Other village meat -- $1/kg

Sigh ...

#49

I guess that would keep eating the goat your neighbor had sex with from being too incestuous.

I swear, the more I look into this shit, the more I think we are dealing with nothing more than a big, fucking cult. David Koresh, Jim Jones type cult. Same behaviors, same sick beliefs, same obsession with control over the people. And never without rampant sexual misconduct and abuse of the worshippers. Sick, sick, sick.

At least in Catholicism, everyone knew abusing children was a bad thing, even if some of the people who should have been protecting the kids were more interested in protecting the church.

In some cultish dark corners of Islam, sex with children is just fine by the good Ayatollah! Why hide it? Everyone knows a baby can't say no. So, baby must be willing. Even Mohammed had sex with a little child.

' ... selling the meat to the next door village should be fine. '

. Gross.

Army Tramp

Re the Ayatollah and rules for sex with barnyard animals.

Um, if the urine and excrement becomes impure after a man has his jollies, does that mean they weren't impure before?

Ed

That's right. Islam permits the liberal use of cattle excrement in medicines.

look at their model

betrothed at 6 consummated at 9, ashia wasn't abused, she was honored to serve Mo-ham-mad the profit...

the boys are being trained to serve the next Arafat...

Ed, respectfully don't even go their with mentions of the Catholic Church. Did they fail in their responsibilities, YES. Did they cover-up, delay, and obfuscate, YES. However the inappropriate/illegal/horrendous behavior involving less than .1% of the more than 50,000 priest's in America is not the same as 'teaching' & approval of this kind of treatment of girls especially...

Charles,
Long time reader, new poster. Keep up the good work.
Indian papers this past year described a case where a boy was abused at the madrassa, then when he went home, and the family wanted to press charges, the cleric showed up and threw acid at the boy, severely wounding him. I don't know whether the boy survived. Very nasty and the families involved were ready to roll. The madrassa closed ranks and covered for the perp. Very poor families send their kids thinking they are real schools, hoping they'll get a chance at an education. Very sad.

The Media will never report this. Unlike the way they take pleasure on reporting the abuses by Catholic priests. Now I am not downplaying the problem we have here in the US. Besides Jacko, most child molesters get a free pass in the eyes of the Media unless it has some religous association. The Media and Liberal left have dedicated the last 10yrs to highlighting Catholic abuse cases in an attempt to systematically cleanse America of Religion. Attacking Christmas is the next step in their plan.

Earlier I remember LGF ran the story of the teacher that cut off the ears of Students at an Isamic school. Never heard about it in the mainstream media. This story will get the same treatmenat...But when a teacher tries to teach his students about the Declaration of Independence he is front page news!

Well, the excrement would have been used for fertilzer and (hold on to your stomach) camel urine is a cure for..stomach ache.

In some tribes, urine and dung are beauty aides. Used in styling the hair or as an acid for exfoliation.

Hey, I just report it, I don't do it...

So, now that the dung is impure because Achmed fucked the cow, you cannot use the shit on your hair and you cannot drink it's piss. Wouldn't want to soil yourself.

Jewels (AKA Julian) (#44),

Thanks for that.

From #39's post

"Sex abuse is normally directed towards young boys and women.

If Islamic rules of modesty and relations between men, women and families were respected, there would be no sexual abuse or harassment.

Most victims of sexual crimes are women and children."

Perverts are universal. And correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't boys/men only allowed to attend the madrassas?

I guess they need something to do while they are waiting for access to those 72 virgins (sorry, I know that's offensive).

I say castrate the bastards.

. Dung is pure. Dried dung may be used in place of the odd number of stones for the , er ... ablutions. Trust the imam.

#41... was that necessary?

Maine's Michael #48

In a November 23 program, Al-Manar broadcast a so-called expert who accused Zionists of spreading AIDS to the Arab world. Days later, the CSA called on Al-Manar to respect French law and the contract it signed allowing the channel to be broadcast through France.

Of course Muslims in general and terrorists (Hizbullah) in particular will not respect any law, or any truth.

Jews spreading AIDS, no historic Jewish presence in the ME, and any number of other outrageous claims.

And we in the west just let them roll over us.

The French, when faced with losing their media outlets anywhere in the Arab world, will cave. The terrorists will continue to broadcast antisemitism in France.

+Photi

For those who haven't seen this yet on faithfreedom.org

Pedophilia Condoned By Islam

Ummm.camel urine! the cure all!:

"Fiqh 1.11 a: The urine and stools of animals that are permissible to eat

Said Anas, "A group of people from the tribes of Ukul or 'Uraina came to Madinah and became ill in their stomach. The Prophet ordered them to get a milking she-camel and drink a mixture of its milk and urine." This hadith is related by Ahmad, al-Bukhari and Muslim and points to a camel's urine as being pure. Therefore, by analogy, other permissible animals' urine may also be considered pure. Says Ibn al-Munzhir, "Those who claim that that was permissible only for those people are incorrect. Specification is only confirmed by some specific proof." He also says, "The scholars permit, without any objection, the sale of sheep's stools and the use of camel's urine in their medicine, both in the past and in the present, again without any objection. This shows that they are considered pure." Says ash-Shaukani, "Apparently, the urine and stools of every living animal permissible to eat is pure." There is nothing to prove otherwise.

Source -- [Link: www.muslimaccess.com...]

I think I'll pass.

Urine is also used as shampoo (and no wonder some Muslim women don't want to take off their hajib, they will be assaulted by flies), but is known to cause kidney stones when drunk in quantity. Anyone who has drunk camel urine in quantity is no one I want to know.

I love how the above quptes just sort of argue over whether or not you can drink any old animal's piss!

Ay yi, none for me thanks, I'm driving.

#44 Thanks, that was amazing!

#67

I blew chunks at the pic of the Mullah grabbing and kissing the little kid. Cripes, he's got the boy's hand in his crotch. Good God, can we kill the bastard?

Armytramp

I love your ID, but you come up with some great insight.

I know now an all natural way to cure my stomach ache and how to style my hair. Got a cure for headaches?

Can we finally have the RoP removed from religious protection in this country and declare it a cult? please, please, please!

#70

I can't get that image out of my mind either anymore, or of the little girl that suffered the female genital mutiliation. The look on her face makes me cry every time I think of it. As a foster parent I cannot tolerate this behavior at all. Something must be done about this abuse.

#67

. That picture is disgusting.

#33 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus:

Even the pervert priest thing doesn't amount to 2000 a year, in one country alone.

I respectfully disagree. During the era of residentail schools here in Canada, I'm sure that the rates of abuse ere damned close, proportionately speaking.

There are many things wrong with Islam as it stands today, but in this case I don't think that the argument can be made that this is an exclusively Muslim problem. Put pervert freakshows in charge of a group of children with no opportunity to escape, and this will happen. Regardless of one's faith.

#74 #70
Bear in mind I didn't take that picture!

I think that picture shows the cavalier attitude the RoP has on this horror.

#71

Allah's prophet Mohammed knows best, Filthy Infidel!

Listen well, and know that the cure for headache comes direct from that Allah hotline the Archangel Gabriel, therefore we know it works.

The cure for headache is that old standby, bloodletting! That's right! Get the bad blood out and you will feel all better.

This is a very modern, scientific cure for all kinds of headache, possible even an anuerism, proven by all kinds of great scientific evidence, just like the great scientific evidence that backs up Mohammed's tale of dipping a fly into your food twice to get rid of the fly's disease. This is very modern of him, no?

Put a nice fat leech into a cup, turn it over onto a nice juicy vein and those nasty migraines will go away.

Also, try black cumin seeds, and if that doesn't work, pray a lot.

Allah is wise and merciful and has a Doctorate in nuerology.

#76

. 10-4

Subject matter is disgusting.

. Apparently, these freaks operate with impunity.

I haven't heard of any mosques being sold off to compensate victims of ROP abuse.

this one seems to be consistently in the skeletal mode.

The Religion of Death

#57 pookleblinky 12/10/2004 06:42PM PST
Ed

That's right. Islam permits the liberal use of cattle excrement in medicines.

That's why you should always prefer the green hashish over the black hashish.

Typically, the kids enrolled at these madrassas are promised a meal, schooling (read rote memorization - no real education) and then are sent out to beg. Most families have no idea. Many are illiterate and want an education for their kids but do not know what an education actually looks like. They are easily suckered. They pay, their kids are abused and then sent out to beg. Kids, being kids, often don't tell anyone what's happening because they are afraid.

81 s & d man

the more you learn and know, the less there is to respect and the greater the desire to ...

well, you KNOW

Is it that the kids are too frightened to testify? Is it that the government there thinks that it is politically better to just cover up what is going on? Is it that the parents of these kids are afraid to make waves?

One factor, I would guess, is that the parents of children who haven't come forward with complaints are desperately holding their hands over their ears and going "La-la-la, no institutional problem in the madrasses, nosiree," because they're afraid of what they might hear from their own kids.

OT

Palestinian Family Says Girl, 8, Was Killed by Israeli Bullet
Towards the end of the story their is writing about Israeli forces harassing Palestinian "Presidential Candidates". This is not related to the story about the 8yo girl, but makes for a nice stab at Israel for the NYT.

The story was written by Taghreed el-Khodary contributed reporting from Gaza. Really objective.

They are disgusting.

+Photi

PS
Reg. required. Here is the bulk of it.
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JERUSALEM, Dec. 10 - Israeli gunfire killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl eating lunch in her home today during an exchange between Palestinians and Israeli soldiers in the southern Gaza Strip, the girl's family said.

Palestinians fired a series of mortar rounds this afternoon from the Palestinian town of Khan Yunis toward the nearby Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim, wounding four Israeli civilians, including a child, the Israeli military said.

Soldiers returned fire toward the source of the mortars, the military said. One of the bullets struck Rania Siam, 8, in the head as her family was eating, according to her father, Omar Siam.

The family had heard the mortar fire, Mr. Siam said, and the Israeli soldiers shot back shortly afterward. The Israelis have two military posts nearby, and it was not clear which one was the source of the fire, he said.

"I went to wash my hands. On the way back, something hit me in the leg, but I didn't fall down," said Mr. Siam. As the family came to see what had happened to him, Rania was hit by a bullet that came through a window, he said. Amid the ongoing gunfire, the family rushed the girl to Nasser Hospital, but she was pronounced dead, he said.

The Israeli military said it was aware of the shooting and was investigating but did not have any additional information.

The Islamic faction Hamas, which has carried out many mortars attacks in the area, took responsibility for the mortar salvos.

--break--

Elsewhere, Israeli security forces scuffled with a Palestinian presidential candidate at a checkpoint, the second such confrontation in the past three days.

The candidate, Bassam al-Salhi, was handcuffed and taken away for questioning when he tried to pass a checkpoint on the way from Ramallah to Jerusalem, Reuters reported. Mr. Salhi did not have a permit to enter Jerusalem, according to the police.

On Wednesday night, another candidate, Mustafa Barghouti, said he and his associates had been struck by Israeli soldiers at an Israeli checkpoint in the northern West Bank. Dr. Barghouti said he intervened when one of his associates was being hit, and was himself hit by the soldiers. He said the five were forced to sit on the ground for more than an hour.

An Israeli military official dispute the account, saying that soldiers had requested to see identification, which is standard at checkpoints, and that Dr. Barghouti and the others had refused. After 20 minutes, the men presented the identification and were allowed to pass, the official said. The official denied the men had been hit.

Both Mr. Salhi and Dr. Barghouti are longshot candidates in the Jan. 9 election to replace the Arafat as president of the Palestinian Authority.

#75

The difference is pedophilia is promoted and encouraged and condoned in the RoP and NOT in other religions or cultures. We have laws and we do prosecute. The rate of Catholic priests' abuse is nothing like the rampant pedophilia in the RoP. Or this (another child abuse issue I cannot stop thinking about and since I read this article, praying about). mutilation (no pictures)

Seems the Madrasassas have new eductional program: Leave No Child's Behind Alone.

QM

OT Drudge

Kerik no longer wishes to be considered for sec. Homeland Security

Zulubaby
Posted this on the thread that earned your remark but suspect your over here now.

Your Right,

Was focusing on the hypocrisy and not the actual actions themselves. I came back after being away from the thread for a while, and yours was the first comment I saw. Reread my post from the right prospective and realized I had done the very same thing that I find fault others for. Talk about the self righteous hypocrite

I'm not making excuses. I'm very embarrassed by what I wrote. Thank you for slapping me back to reality.I hope it's a lesson I don't soon forget

The tortured self hatred spawned by such molestations would go far in creating the pyschological dissonance necessary for potential jihadis.

Typical though isn't it? Picking on the defenseless.

#87 Throbert McGee

My guess is the cause is the fact that Mullas (or whatever they're called) are really mafiosos who will send their little jihadis after anyone (and any official) who tries to assert any authority.

It's the same thing the that causes the fighting in Iraq, the religious leaders don't want to lose status from gang leader / Godfather down to citizen.

Unfortunately the Iraqis will probably finesse the problem by simply leaving Mullas a law into themselves and sacrificing all rule of law.

Boy injured in acid attack after refusing sex with Mullah from an article in the UK Telegraph:

On his hospital bed last week, 16-year-old Abid Tanoli sat listless and alone, half of his body covered by burns that all but destroyed both his eyes and left his face horribly disfigured.

The teenager talked, with difficulty, of how his life had been destroyed since the fateful day in June 2002 when he refused to have sex with his teacher at a religious school in Pakistan.

The boy was horrifically injured in an acid attack after he rebuffed the Muslim cleric's sexual advances. Now, he has alarmed Pakistan's powerful religious establishment by pressing charges against his alleged assailants.

A teacher at the school, who cannot be named for legal reasons, and two of his friends are in prison awaiting trial for attempted murder and rape. All three deny the charges. A fourth alleged attacker is still at large.

It is the first such case to be brought against a Muslim cleric and threatens to expose a scandal of sex abuse within Pakistan's secretive Islamic schools.

Abid was blinded and maimed in the assault, which he says came shortly after he rejected sexual demands from the Islamic teacher at a madrassa in a crowded, lower middle-class district of Karachi. "He threatened to ruin me for life," Abid recalled, "but I didn't take him seriously. I just stopped going to the madrassa".

Abid, who was 14 at the time, told neither parents nor friends what had happened because, he said, he was ashamed. A few days later, as he played with his brothers and sister at home, he said that his religious teacher - accompanied by three associates - broke into the house, bolted the door and threw acid over him, screaming: "This should be a lesson for your life."

Abid was taken to a public hospital, where doctors told him that he would be scarred for life.

Lawyers and campaigners against sexual abuse of children say that it is not uncommon in Pakistan, especially in the segregated surroundings of the country's estimated 20,000 religious schools, but cases involving members of the clergy are rarely - if ever - exposed.

"They are either hushed up and sorted out within the confines of school, or parents are pressurised not to report the incident to the media as it would give religion a bad name," said Zia Ahmed Awan, the president of Madadgaar, a joint project of LHRLA (Lawyers for Human Rights and Legal Aid) and Unicef, the United Nations children's fund.

Haroon Tanoli, Abid's father, met strong resistance when he tried to take up his son's case with officials at the school. He says that they offered to help him secure a cash payment from the alleged attackers, provided that he did not involve the police. Since then, he has been threatened with harsh consequences for refusing to back down.

"I despise hypocrites who sport huge beards in the name of religion and hinder the passage of justice in the name of Islam," said Mr Tanoli.

"I had a beard, and all my four sons were studying in a madrassa. However, following this incident, the first thing I did was to pull my children out of the madrassa - and shave off my beard."

Even as Abid was receiving treatment, the religious authorities pressed the hospital to discharge him. Mr Tanoli managed to get him admitted to a different hospital, where he is being treated free, although the family cannot afford an operation to save his sight.

Mr Tanoli refuses to back down, despite being offered one million rupees (£12,000) by the teacher's relations if he withdraws the charges. He has moved to a secret location for his own safety.

©Telegraph Group Limited

It's because their entire religion, their social heirarchy, their architecture, their power, and every waking thought they possess revolves around their penis; domination by the penis, submission by the penis, ruling by the penis.

Except for the architecture and the ability to document their pathetic mentality in writing, they have not evolved past the stone age.

Where's Mrs. Bobbitt?

David Pryce-Jones (sorry if this has been mentioned before) talks about the treatment of young boys in Arab societies in The Closed Circle.

According to him, sexual relations with young boys, especially family members is standard procedure. Maybe there isn't more talk about this because it is accepted behaviour.

In the book he does point out that this behaviour certainly sets the young boys up to become abusers themselves.

97 the heat

In Iraq, currently working their way east...

Oh, and I forgot - the preoccupation with "garaging" or "parking" the penis in anything female, and the afterlife parking garage that consists of 72 virginal parking spaces... and young boys.

And I'm supposed to be respectful of these people? Not happening.

#100

I like to think of the joke that they are met not by 72 virgins, but 72 Virginians (Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, et al) and they beat the living crap out of them.

Helps me sleep at night to think the cursed 19 are getting their just desserts by the Founding Fathers (and Mothers).

OT:
BBC radio just did a report on religious schools in Indonesia...

It was great - they made it clear that many of them were teaching violence, hatred and jihad.

And they made the point that violent jihad is the literal interpretation of Islam!

They interviewed a liberal Mulsim teacher, so that probably made it easier to talk about the truth since he said similar things.

But this must be the first time that the BBC has admitted that violent jihad is just a coincidental misinterpretation of Islamic texts, but simply what they literally call for.

Another good one Muslims are taking a hard look at Islam from the International Harold Tribune

#99 armytramp

' ... his religious teacher ... broke into the house, bolted the door and threw acid over him, screaming: "This should be a lesson for your life." '

. A lesson in evil from the religious teacher.

Brought to you by The Official Religion of Hell.

From dhimmiwatch, young boy slaves beaten and raped in the Sudan:

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

As usual, no word on National News, which is too concerned about abusive Israeli guards making some guy play a violin at a checkpoint.

. er, #96.

er, is not just a coincidental misinterpretation of Islamic texts, but simply what they literally call for.

Kerik found out he had a Nanny Gate issue.

Hired an illegal and failed to pay her taxes.

# 100 theheat

Who said you had to be respectful?

Judge and be prepared to be assailed for judging. But by all means...judge.

#104 armytramp

Funny how they try to set the political agenda by picking and choosing what Americans are aware of.

Bastards, who gave them the right?

#109 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar

Bastards, who gave them the right?

We did. If it didn't pay, they wouldn't play.

What percentage of the US watches the MSM?

That's why.

No. 96 Thanks - that's the article
No. 87 - Adding a comment ...These families are usually living in a one room...well, room. A entire family in one little room. No running water, no toilet. Sharing the toilet in the block with ten other families. Bribing police or hiring thugs (a word of South Asian origin) is the norm if one is dishonest and has some cash.
The entire family can be wiped out in a night by paid killers. The police might arrive later to make a report. Maybe. Not maybe arrive later, but maybe write a report. It's not like the US where there is a high level of professionalism in law enforcement at all levels. They don't have redress. They don't want their sons abused either, they'll pull them out if they find out the truth. A couple of beatings is not going to catch their eyes, it's very common in regular schools, too. Different tolerances.

#108

Well, the MSM, for one, says I should be tolerant and try to play nice.

We've brought democracy to others at a very high price in lives and money. Now all the penises can go out and vote. Whoopee!

But - when it comes right down to it - at the most basic level I cannot tolerate them.

#102

The BBC admitted this? That is some kind of miracle.

I keep BEGGING people to read the damned Koran and they just won't listen. They would rather listen to what Noam Chomsky tells them the Koran says.

Literally, the Koran tells the fundamentalist Muslim EXACTLY what to do, and that includes enslaving women and children, sexually abusing children and slaves, killing all infidels except those who pay protection money, destroying any and all things that belong to or reflect the cultures of infidels, destroying all who oppose Islam, and declaring that anything that is anti-Islam is an assault on Islam, therefore making anything that is not Islam an aggressor. Since Islam does not allow a Muslim to be the agressor, the convenient out of anything that is NOT Muslim becoming a de facto aggressor is an excuse for anyone who wants to attack and destroy all that is not Islam.

This is not an interpretation, but literal fact.

Islam tells the Muslim how to conduct every iota of the minutia of their lives, right down to using odd numbered stones to clean their asses.

So, instead of reading the Islamic unholy books and learning about it for themselves, dipshit Westerners just sit back and have crap about Islam fed to them and never make an independent decision about it. They answer every criticism of Islam by complaining about Christianity, as if the sins of Christianity in any way obfuscate the sins of Islam, a sloppy and cheap logical fallacy regurgitated by LLL's daily.

#44

thank-you!

tears, and many kleenex tissues...

..beautiful!

-ps does anyone have the lyrics to that song that was playing?

OT The New York Times today has an article about Muslims speaking up for needed change in their religion to make it more tolerant and peaceful. The headline is Muslim Scholars Increasingly Debate Unholy War, and it's by Neil MacFarquhar.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Cairo, Dec. 9 -- Muhammad Shahrour, a layman who writes extensively about Islam, sits in his engineering office in Damascus, Syria, arguing that Muslims will untangle their faith from the increasingly gory violence committed in its name only by reappraising their sacred texts.

First, Mr. Shahrour brazenly tackles the Koran. The entire ninth chapter, The Sura of Repentance, he says, describes a failed attempt by the Prophet Muhammad to form a state on the Arabian Peninsula. He believes that as the source of most of the verses used to validate extremist attacks, with lines like "slay the pagans where you find them," the chapter should be isolated to its original context.

"The state which he built died, but his message is still alive," says Mr. Shahrour, a sof-spoken, 65-year-old Syrian civil engineer with thinning gray hair. "So we have to differentiate between the religion and state politics. When you take the political Islam, you see only killing, assassination, poisoning, intrigue, conspiracy and civil war, but Islam as a message is very human, sensible and just."

Mr. Shahrour and a dozen or so like-minded intellectuals from across the Arab and Islamic worlds provoked bedlam when they presented their call for a reinterpretation of holy texts after a Cairo seminar entitled "Islam and Reform" earlier this fall.

"Liars! Liars!" someone screamed at a news conference infiltrated by Islamic scholars and others from the hard-core faithful who shouted and lunged at the panelists to a degree that no journalist could ask a question. "You are all Zionists! You are all infidels!"

The long-simmering internal debate over political violence in Islamic cultures is swelling, with seminars like that one and a raft of newspaper columns breaking previous taboos by suggesting that the problem lies in the way Islam is being interpreted. On Saturday in MOrocco, a major conference, attended by Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, will focus on increasing democracy and liberal principles in the Muslim world...

Remind me not to eat the goat stew next time I'm in Tehran.

And all this time, I thought Khomeini was this evil genius, with those glaring eyes and bushy brows, prosing in a noble indo-european language about man and god's place in the universe, and all this time he was talking about sodomizing babies and terrorizing barnyard animals before burning them to death.

Incredible.

There is from the very beginning in Islam allusions to young boys and such thinking...there is obviously something very very unhealthy in the Islamic world when it comes to pedastry...again, on the scale that it is in the Islamic world, nothing comes close...nothing...it isn't just Islamic Imams that would be involved in this but much of the Male Islamic population...Remember the stories about Kandahar after America liberated and Afghan man were out and about prancing and flouncing there wares for young boys...there was actually an article in the MSM about it...

And also the beastility that occurs across the Islamic world is not simply myth but reality...again, it is the result of such a perverse and sick view of women that drives your Islamic male to such perversions...

As Charles says, if we knew the true amount, we would vomit!

Thanks

...And this is why I line the bottom of my bird cage with used copies of the Koran. Honestly.

"Bird shit be upon you."

You mean this gem, Albertadude?

British Marines attacked by mincing swarms of gay Afghani farmers. "More terrifying than Al Queda!":

[Link: news.scotsman.com...]

Let me just say that I have no opposition whatsoever to gay men, believe in gay rights, etc.

But what is going on in the Muslim world is about children's rights, and the unnatural segregation of men and women in Islamic society, and the resulting contempt for women is resulting in some really, really sick behaviors.

kudos to abc's 20/20 program tonight for having the balls to take on an evil religion. one in which young women get raped, and members of the religion dole out their own brand of punishment for the guilty.

islam you say? no, the amish.

you would think that with all the fucked up stuff that is done in the name of islam, that maybe they would do a report on that. but no, find one screwed up family in an otherwise wonderful & peaceful religion and buddy we got ourselves a hot story.

msm i spit on ye

Armytramp, from your link:

But the marines were under orders to win the "hearts and minds" of local farmers in what is one of the few remaining Taleban bastions. "I managed to barter him down to two marine pens, a pencil and a rubber," Major Joyce said. "He went away quite happy ."

LOL! That has got to be the funniest article I've read in days . . .

re #115, note this basis for making a start toward reform, by questioning just one chapter of the Koran where a lot of the bad stuff resides, and which can be explained as relevant only to a certain bad interval in Mohammed's life involving a failed attempt at forming a state on the Arabian peninsula

"First, Mr. Shahrour brazenly tackles the Koran. The entire ninth chapter, The Sura of Repentance, he says, describes a failed attempt by the Prophet Muhammad to form a state on the Arabian Peninsula. He believes that as the source of most of the verses used to validate extremist attacks, with lines like "slay the pagans where you find them," the chapter should be isolated to its original context."

Muslims questioning the Koran and living to talk about it. Maybe the times are changing.

Because of the vastly superior birth rate that Muslims have, compared to most non-Muslims, eventually the world will be predominantly Muslim. It is to the advantage of the kafir that Islam reform itself, and not be so horrible, especially toward the kafir.

In a contest between the reformers and the fundamentalists, it is good to hope that the reformers win out.

Gee, a cult whose founder is a known pedophile attracts pedophiles as priests. Go figure.

#119 and Friends,
My work in Saudi Arabia was as Medical Equipment Specialist with a Korean company building a large hospital in al-Unayzah, north of Riyadh.

During my time there, I met with the chief nurse of the Fahd Hospital (largest in Riyadh) and heard some horror stories that curdled my blood... but that's just hearsay...

What happened firsthand with me was that we could not get approval for our hospital floorplans, (second floor) THREE presentations in a row; we were losing money, and NO ONE would tell us WHY the plans were not approved.

Americans, Brits, Koreans and other technicians and rather intelligent folks sat down around 2100 that third time, and we began reviewing notes and floorplans until, as I recall, about 0230 when it grew quiet, and I voiced what everybody had come to realize:

We were NOT getting approval because we were submitting plans with NO GUARDS between young male wards and female wards!

When we put guard-stations into our plans, with (God forbid there's a fire!) lockable doors between male inpatients and children / women, THEN (without a word of the now-present guardstations) we received official Saudi approval and were off and running!

Serious, deep and widespread sexual aberrations in the Arab nations.

#96 -
additional information about Abid Tanoli -

The ordeal of a 17-year old boy, Abid Tanoli, who was completely disfigured for refusing to succumb to a religious scholar's sexual advances, is far from over...
[Link: www.newsline.com.pk...]
[Link: www.uri-geller.com...]

May this case succeed to unveil the hypocracy of mohammadism and destroy this vile cult - legally.

Pray this young man finds safety away from Islam forever. May his wounds heal and his spirit flourish safely away from the cult of Islam.

#124

Whew! Can't wait to hear more stories from you.

You said, "God forbid there's a fire!"

I'll tell you what happens if there's a fire!

Fifteen Saudi girls die in blaze when religious police refuse to let them evacuate building because they were not wearing proper Islamic dress as the girls fled the flames:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

My webfu is mighty.

#113

It's not only the Koran, but the Ahadith and Sunnah of the prophet too.

Seriously, you can find Imaams all over the place issuing rulings on exactly the tipe of stuff that "Aisha" spouts about the correct way to wipe/shave your butt, or cut your finger-nails or whatever. And in some Arab societies, it doesn't count as buggery if you're the one who's on top.

#125

I'm in tears. That is so upsetting. God bless that poor kid!

I think I've had enough for tonight.

#127 David:

I am reminded of the old prison line - The only fag is the one on the bottom.

Not really all that OT, but the ACLU is providing legal support to NAMBLA, that North American Man Boy Love Alliance, gratis. Free. To a group that infact says that pedistry should not only be legal, but also the norm. Here in the USofA.

122 EE

Because of the vastly superior birth rate that Muslims have, compared to most non-Muslims, eventually the world will be predominantly Muslim.

That is not true. Most of the Muslim population lives in abject poverty, a good deal of which can be blamed on their propensity to repel free markets, civilized social behavior and education. So while their birth rates are high now, there is a point of diminishing returns of their population growth.

For the Muslim world to advance economically, they will have to become far more educated and open to free markets and involve their women in society. But Radical Islam can never allow free pursuit of knowledge nor give full human status to women. This cult can only survive by keeping its subjects ignorant and living under their cavemen mentality.

So their only way for the movement to continue growing in population is to advance economically, but that will bring on its own self-destruction. Therefore we have the classic self-correcting factor.

The question is can we wait that long for it to self-destruct?

Nooo.

#11 Ed: I thought immediately as well of the comparison to the Catholic priest sex abuse revelations.

It would be interesting, if probably impossible, to know the relative levels of child molestation between Islamic clerics and Christian clerics. I suspect the Islamic rate is higher, given the misogynistic nature of Islam and the weird homoerotic tendencies of many Muslim men. Probably clerics molesting ten year old girls think it's OK because religion sanctions it. The death threats in response are also quite different from the Catholic response to their problem.

Here's a story to keep on top of, Charles. I will look for addiitonal information as well to pass on.

Child sex abuse is totally evil, demonic, straight from the pit of hell with the expressed seal of satisfaction of the devil (satan ) himself. Wherever it happens worldwide, it must be brought to the light and exposed. There is so much evil in this world. My prayers are with the children (the victims). G-d bring justice to those who commit such hyenous crimes.

You know, the fact is that Islam itself is a form of abuse. Where does one begin? Sexual abuse of children? Sexual abuse of women? Abuse of G-d's name in the killing of innocent men, women, children? Hatred of ALL other human beings who are not Muslim and do not accept the teachings of Islam's "Prophet"?

Armytramp..

And the hits keep on coming. You should submit some of your your stuff to Iowahawk I bet they would love it...

#11 Ed Moran abu GOMEX

Well, as the sex abuse scandals in the Catholic Church showed, evil and perversion isn't just a Muslim problem, and there were coverups.

But, putting on my mathmatician hat here, get a little perspective. The number of cases they are talking about in one year in Pakistani madrasses is of the same order of magnitude as in fifty years in the US Catholic church.

cathy :-)

#130 rapidfox . . .

Not really all that OT, but the ACLU is providing legal support to NAMBLA, that North American Man Boy Love Alliance, gratis. Free. To a group that infact says that pedistry should not only be legal, but also the norm. Here in the USofA.

The ACLU is one of the most vile non-profit organizations in the U.S. There must be some way to bring it down. It has probably done more to wreck the norms of civilization than all the KKKs and other crazies put together.

Can you imagine a society in which man-boy love is permitted and encouraged?

Feh! Disgusting and sick.

130 rabidfox

NAMBLA started the whole "no gay leaders in the Boy Scouts scandal" several years back when they distibuted literature promoting volunteering to be Scout leaders as a way to give their members more access to youths, particularly on unsupervised overnight camping trips.

When the BSA got wind of this, they instituted the policy of no homosexual leaders (along with a variety of other changes to leaders' access to children). Their logic was that although not all homosexuals are predators of young boys, all male predators of young boys are homosexuals. Because you don't know which is which, you just can't risk being wrong.

The policy was so derided by the LLL, the gay movement, and the ACLU, the Scouts were banned in certain localities from using public schools for meeting places. In an absolutely disgusting display, the delegates on the floor of the 2000 Democratic National Convention in California loudly booed a group of Boy Scouts while they walked off the stage after singing the national anthem. No one EVER mentioned that in the MSM.

Then the Scouts were then smeared in the media with the lie that they were banning gay youths from joining. The moral is, the ACLU will defend anyone, as long as they are brothers or even distant kinfolk of the LLL.

For comparison's sake, here is the standard being lived by those dedicated to the Glory of God, and striving to demonstrate, through the dynamic force of example, an alternative to what's being passed off as 'Muslim' these days:

"Such a chaste and holy life,
with its implications of
modesty,
purity,
temperance,
decency and
clean-mindedness,

involves no less than
the exercise of moderation
in all that pertains to
dress,
language,
amusements, and
all
artistic and literary avocations.

It demands daily vigilance
in the control of one’s carnal desires
and corrupt inclinations.

It calls for the abandonment of
a frivolous conduct
with its excessive attachment to
trivial and often misdirected pleasures.

It requires total abstinence
from all alcoholic drinks,
from opium, and
from similar habit-forming drugs.

It condemns
the prostitution of art and
of literature,
the practices of nudism and
of companionate marriage,
infidelity in marital relationships,
and all manner of promiscuity,
of easy familiarity, and
of sexual vices.

It can tolerate no compromise with
the theories,
the standards,
the habits and
the excesses of a decadent age.

Nay rather it seeks to demonstrate, through the dynamic force of its example,
the pernicious character of such theories,
the falsity of such standards,
the hollowness of such claims,
the perversity of such habits and
the sacrilegious character of such excesses."

page 25, Advent of Divine Justice,

#133 martinsmithy . . .

I suspect the Islamic rate is higher, given the misogynistic nature of Islam and the weird homoerotic tendencies of many Muslim men.

This may be a central part of Arab-Islamic culture. We should definitely be looking at this--nevermind the PCness of the look. From what I've read--admittedly not too much--abuse of male and female children is common among the Bedouin--the "true Arabs" as they term themselves.

Regarding Arabic-speaking people such as Egyptians and Iraqis, I have no idea whether or not this same sick culture is part of the wider culture or whether they are "Arab" in language but not in custom.

Something to think about and do further research on. Certainly Pakistan's mistreatment of boys gives one something to think about.

Well, there went their beastiality reputation...

I just can't wait for the other shoe to drop.
The moral perversity of this religion speaks volumes.

Creepy buggers. NAMBLA members are probably drooling.

#113 armytramp

I keep BEGGING people to read the damned Koran and they just won't listen. They would rather listen to what Noam Chomsky tells them the Koran says.

Actually, a few years ago it occured to me that Chomsky has whitewashed Islam out of his description of events in all of his books.

According to his books, Islam plays no role in the Palestinian conflict (or rather, it's never mentioned).

Same for east Timor. I don't know the details about East Timor, but it would be surprising if Islam, Jihad etc. didn't have some sort of role in the violence there.

Do you have any examples of Chomsky even admitting that there is a Koran?

Always with the death threats...

Didn't these nutjobs say they loved death like we love life and that there are a buch of virgins waiting out there (as if virgins were any fun in the first place but that's neither here or there)...

Like make up up yer mind there Bucko... Either death is good, or it's bad...

Man these guys are really binary. It's death for everything. Period. Do you get death for a parking ticket or jaywalking, I wonder...

#102 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar
Maybe there is some cause for hope. Of course, the concept of these madrassahs is to abuse the child and turn him into some heartless Islamic robotron!

#139 mich-again: The Boy Scout ban on gay leaders had nothing to do with any NAMBLA fantasy. I think you are promoting an urban legend. The Boy Scout ban on gay leaders has been around since 1911.

The question is whether it should remain today. I personally think that many scout troops, particularly in urban areas, could use a good leader, gay or straight. Yet many of the troops are sponsored by religious organizations such as the Mormons. And no organization should be forced to have gays as leaders as some PC'ers would like. My solution would be for the issue of gay leaders to be left to the sponsoring organization. If the UCC sponsors a troop, it could have a gay leader. For the Mormons and Catholics, no gays.

I wasn't saying Catholics are as bad as Muslims. I'm Catholic myself.

I went to Catholic high school, and I'd guess about a quarter, maybe more, of the priests had "gay" mannerisms. Before being "out" was socially acceptable, a Catholic man with no inclination to marry (and I suppose a Catholic man trying to deny his tendencies) might tend to be attracted to the priesthood. Just as most straight priests do a reasonable job observing the vow of chastity, I suspect most gay priests do.

Now, from what I understand, gay men are no more likely to be pedophiles than straight men. But I have also read a few things that suggests most of the priest sexual abuse cases involved young teenage (post-pubescent) boys, which may still be considered pedophilia criminally, but is not true pedophilia. Most of these men have never had a "normal" relationship with a mature adult, and perhaps feel more comfortable with teenagers.

Basically identical to the occasional stories on the local news about male teachers having sex with 15 year old female students (and a case from last year of a female gym teacher (what else?) having sexual relations with a student in Montgomery County, TX).

I joked yesterday about Wonkette, because Googling around I found she has contributed to 'Hustler's Barely Legal' magazine. These are magazines that cater to men who like their woman to be girls. Not pre-pubescent girls, but high school age. Hustler wouldn't print it if it didn't make money, so there is obviously a fascination with post-pubescent but underaged girls. So there is a fascination for 'young meat'.

Actually, I have no problems with men with gay tendencies becoming priests, as long as they are serious about the vow of celibacy.

Mich-Again

It could be wrong, but I had the impression that true pedophilia (sexual urges for pre-pubescent children) can't be neatly divided (ie, straight pedophiles only do girls, gay pedophiles only do boys).

Now, a bit of a tangent, and I could be full of it as I am not a doctor but since men have ballpark ten times the testosterone levels woman do, and men want sex more (I never turn my wife down, but I can't say the same for her), and testosterone, even in woman, affects the sex drive, Mary Kay LaTorneau types being reported nationally because it is so rare, I'd say an adult woman in every Boy Scout tent is the best way to ensure the teenage boys are safe.

147 martinsmithy

The ban goes back to 1911? The group was founded in 1910 and the first order of business was to officially ban gay leaders? I find that questionable. I will research that and find out.

But I will say that with all of the other reforms that were put in place, the anti-gay leader policy isn't all that important anyway. For example there has to be multiple leaders with multiple children at all times. That alone eliminates most all risk of abuse. And if the policy relies on someone admitting their sexual preference by checking a box on an application, what is to stop someone from lying? I am a former leader and during the height of the scandal, I expressed my view that it was dumb to advertise the no-gay leader policy, that we should just simply not allow any non-parents as leaders, and strictly enforce the muliple leader rule. Why enrage the ACLU and the LLL? The BSA would have saved a lot of legal fees.

You are right to say that many kids could benefit from any good leader, and I generally hate "blanket" policies, because there are always reasons to make exceptions.

Tonight two major media stations had news shows about abuse in secretive religious community-yes you quessed it-THe Amish!

Using the Quran as your guide to life has GOTTA be confusing. No wonder they rely so much on Hadith.

Several times, the Quran clearly states that homosexuality is bad, wrong, etc. Then you are promised as many shiny new boys as you can use, once you go to heaven. To me, that's a major strange thing in the Quran, and the Quran is full of strange things.

#150 Mich-again: My source for the statement is here:

[Link: www.bostonphoenix.com...]

As to when homosexuals were singled out by scout policy, I don't know. In 1911 it was glaringly obvious that gays shouldn't be scout leaders, and so they were lumped in among the other unacceptables such as embezzlers.

You sound a lot more reasonable in this post than you did in your first one. But I would be interested in any information you might have about NAMBLA trying to infiltrate the Boy Scouts. They are a disgusting organization.

Getting back to our topic du jour, are there many Mosques sponsoring boy scout troops? Does anyone know?

Ed Moran abu Gomex

I also grew up and remain Catholic, and the handling of the pedophile priest scandal has made me ashamed of the people involved, but not of the faith itself. The word stands on its own.

I'm reasonably sure now that some of the priests that taught in the high school were gay, but I can't think of a single incident where a brother or priest was thought of or referred to as being gay and I never knew of or heard of any abuse by priests back then. I knew of a few priests who were mean A-holes, but never ones who were sexually abusive. By and large the clergy I've known have been the quiet, humble, nice to everyone type.

Knowing that the victims of abuse have a higher chance of being abusers themselves later in life, I wonder how many of the clergy involved in these cases were victims of abuse from clergy themselves when they were young, but dared not come forward.

I'd say an adult woman in every Boy Scout tent is the best way to ensure the teenage boys are safe.

I'm sure every teenage boy will orgiaenthusiastically agree with you.

The sexual perversions were (carefully) touched on in the movie Osama, the Oscar-winning feature by an Afghan director. He referred in the interview on the DVD to the clerics' "dirty desires," and was really angry about the abuse of the boys as well as the unmitigated hell the girls suffered under the Taliban.

Good movie, BTW.

He also depicted the Taliban as wearing makeup (eyeliner, rouge, hair dye) which in fact they did wear. Can't keep the anima down!

What is it with Pakistanis and throwing acid on people? Is there just a shitload of acid all over Pakistan? Is acid-making like a cottage industry over there? Seriously I wouldn't know where the heck to get stong, volatile acid here in the States. I'm guessing a hardware store or something. Is there some common, everyday usage of hydrochloric acid over there that they need normal access to it?

maybe they get sulfuric acid from old car batteries.

Ed Moran, well they have it in vials or jars so it must be relatively pure. I don't know what the standard configuration of car batteries is but I doubt the stuff is in pure form enough to just pour it on people and cause the kind of damage it does. Maybe I'm wrong. Anybody else care to educate me?

158 bbcrackmonkey

Go to a hardware store and you'll find all sorts of nasty chemicals on the shelves. Muriatic acid is strong enough to etch concrete, Battery acid (HCl) is nasty, heck even straight pool chlorine will burn if its splashed directly on you. Generally if an American wants to hurt someone, they use more conventional means than splashing acid on someone's face.

#160

Car batteries use sulpheric acid, and not even that high a solution. Over time, it is neutralized; old batteries could probably sting like hell, but can't be anywhere near potent enough to melt off faces. I'm guessing nitric acid, which a person can make from scratch anywhere (Think Cyrus Harding).

Hmph, well I googled in Pakistan acid and found that nitric and hydrochloric acid are both available in Pakistan and normally used for agricultural purposes.

"In 2002, 280 Pakistani women died and 750 were left disfigured by acid attacks according to a Human Rights Watch report issued last summer."

[Link: www.womenenews.com...]

Muriatic Acid is 31% (by weight or molar, don't ask me, I Googled) hydrochloric acid solution, and is available in some hardware stores.

By contrast, standard oilfield well stimulation uses 15% HCl, although when the formation may have damage due to silicate materials, a 15%HCl+5% HF acid solution may be used.

To 119...Yeah that's the article...Hee hee hee...I havn't read it in awhile...bloody funny...

Now I want to be honest that I am no fan in the least of the Gay/Homosexual movement in the least...with that being said, what is in the Islamic world is a whole other beast...

I am sure if we ever get the full truth of just how sexually abberant Islam has made the Muslim world, I am sure indeed our blood would curdle...

I used to think the stories about Islam and Muslims and beastility and Man/Boy love was just stated to make the Arabs and by extension the Islamic world look bad (like they need help) but after talking to some people that have worked in the KSA and reading the history of the Islamic world vis a vis sexuality, I am most convinced that those horrid tales have more then a germ of truth to them...

A nurse friend of mine that worked there said personally that she had encountered acts of beastility? She said it was quite common...and it seems when you talk to medical people who have worked there, the stories are the same over and over...and of course there is so much more...

David Pryce Jones writes about it in 'The Closed Circle' also...also many other tomes on this gross subject to be sure!

The abuses in the Catholic Church received much media coverage. Partly because they were covered-up for so long, but also because of the many elites who find the phrase "recovering Catholic" amusing. Western elites love to bash Catholics (and other Christians). The thing is, there are legal recourses here (though little consolation, they). I think part of the problem is the overwhelming power of the Mosque in the Islamic world, and the lack of a just judicial system. There's also the bit about the neverending "May-December" sex in the Islamic paradise...

Frankly, I am not surprised at this widespread pedophilia and cases of homosexual abuses in the Madrassa school systems.

Not only because of the prediliction of men in Islam to abuse young boys and ( as well as girls and women)
My take is that Islamic men prey on the weak, because they themselves were preyed upon in way way or another.
These are no checks and balances in their respective societies.
Thus the vicious cycles perpetuate themselves with every sucessive generation.

The other reason that I expected this particular type of sexual abuse in the Madrassa system, is the Pushtun culture.

Women are kept isolated and unavailable and unattainable to most men, especially those without means---

Thus and accepted and illicit counter-culture has developed over the millena---
That of grown men taking and or paying young boys and "beardless young men" (or "asnas") for purposes of sexual abuse, release and expression.

Kandahar's Lightly Veiled Homosexual Habits: By MAURA REYNOLDS, LA Times Staff Writer

"In some Muslim societies where the prohibition against premarital heterosexual intercourse is extremely high--higher than that against sex between men--you will find men having sex with other males not because they find them most attractive of all but because they find them most attractive of the limited options available to them," Richardson says. In other words, sex between men can be seen as the flip side of the segregation of women. And perhaps because the ethnic Pushtuns who dominate Kandahar are the most religiously conservative of Afghanistan's major ethnic groups, they have, by most accounts, a higher incidence of homosexual relations.

A front line report on the manupulation, capture and rape of naive Pakistani boy recruits in Afghanistan

Startled marines find Afghan men all made up to see them

BRITISH marines returning from an operation deep in the Afghan mountains spoke last night of an alarming new threat - being propositioned by swarms of gay local farmers.

An Arbroath marine, James Fletcher, said: "They were more terrifying than the al-Qaeda. One bloke who had painted toenails was offering to paint ours. They go about hand in hand, mincing around the village."

"We were pretty shocked," Marine Fletcher said. "We discovered from the Afghan soldiers we had with us that a lot of men in this country have the same philosophy as ancient Greeks: ‘a woman for babies, a man for pleasure’."

Originally, the marines had sent patrols into several villages in the mountains near the town of Khost, hoping to catch up with al-Qaeda suspects who last week fought a four-hour gun battle with soldiers of the Australian SAS. The hardened troops, their faces covered in camouflage cream and weight down with weapons, radios and ammunition, were confronted with Afghans wanting to stroke their hair.

"It was hell," said Corporal Paul Richard, 20. "Every village we went into we got a group of men wearing make-up coming up, stroking our hair and cheeks and making kissing noises."

At one stage, troops were invited into a house and asked to dance. ..."They put some music on and ask us to dance. I told them where to go," said Cpl Richard. "Some of the guys turned tail and fled. It was hideous."

The Afghan hill tribes live in some of the most isolated communities in the country. "I think a lot of the problem is that they don’t have the women around a lot," said another marine...

Shh, It's an Open Secret: Warlords and Pedophilia

#150 mich-again

For example there has to be multiple leaders with multiple children at all times. That alone eliminates most all risk of abuse.

WTF? Are you saying that because I only have one child, I can't be a scout leader? I can't find that at the BSA website.

How about clarifiying your statement?

having sex with other males not because they find them most attractive of all but because they find them most attractive of the limited options available to them," Richardson says. In other words, sex between men can be seen as the flip side of the segregation of women

That's the point. This isn't really about homosexuality or pedophilia, any more than is sex in the prison system or student-on-student sex in some single-sex boarding schools.

Islam is in some ways like a big prison. The big hairy guy takes what he can get. If the women are all wearing sacks and are segregated, the kiddies and young men get it.

Disgusting but true.

Every single child abuser ought to be strung up.

"Widespread child sexual abuse leads to paranoid, highly traumatized, and revenge-seeking adults. Based on my own experience in Afghanistan (a non-Arab, Muslim culture), a polygamous, patriarchal culture also leads to an infernal, fraternal competition for paternal favor and inheritance. It is brother against brother, full brothers against half-brothers, full and half brothers against first cousins--and thus, can entire families and clans remain locked in revenge-fueled mortal combat for generations."

Roger Simon did a bit on this in May at my suggestion.

"Throughout the Islamic Middle East, men and women are taught to be vehemently opposed to pleasure, especially of the sexual variety. Men are raised not only forbidden to touch women, but to even look at them. Sex before marriage is not just a sin - but a criminal offence. It is punishable by a severe beating at best, and an execution at worst.

The sexual privileges that are allowed in Islamic cultures are permitted to men. Women's sexuality and social independence represent major threats to male supremacy and are tightly controlled. Thus, as the Moroccan feminist Fitna Sabbah reveals in her book Woman in the Muslim Unconscious, there is a disturbing conflict in the Middle East between sexual libido and repression. A deep-seated fear of, and hostility to, individuality prevails, and its main expression exists in misogyny."

Origins of Islamic Rage. This one was inspired by Zulubaby. There is also a LGF link to something Charles did a while back.

Isn't sex abuse part of Islam? Didn't the Profart Muhammad have 8 and 9 year old wives that were repeatedly F**Ked in the name of Fallah or Satan or whatever gods they believe in. Isn't this so very normal for Islamic Clerics.

How about some revenge killing of these Clerics.

Pedophilia is as normal in Islam as suicide bombings, isn't it?

What a world. Islam: Genital mutilizations, revenge killings, suicide bombings, terrorism. This list would be endless if I didn't stop here.

#138 Promethea,

The ACLU supported the Nazi's right to free speech and Rush Limbaugh's right to privacy.

You do not understand what they are about.

They are about supporting free speech and other civil liberties.

This is a good thing.

Now admittedly they are more left than right.

It does not make them wrong.

It is the despised among us who most need these protections. By protecting them it makes room for all of us under the umbrella of that protection.

A problem with all these youngsters attending madrassas is that a few years ago, the do-gooder NGO's started a campaign to intimidate Nike, reebok and other Western businesses to shut down in Pakistan.

This campaign was to stop "child labour". A good idea in theory.

In practice, the campaign wiped out hundreds of thousands of jobs, the kids employed in Nike factories were the family breadwinner.

These kids wound up in madrassas, funded by saudimite arabia and are now being taught hatred and murder.

The NGO's responsible for this are a bunch of nieve socialist twits.

# 172 M. Simon:

You do not understand what [the ACLU] are about.

Any organization that feels the needs to support NAMBLA has lost any moral compass they may have had. There is nothing civil about the liberties taken by members of NAMBLA when it comes to their victimization of children. An organizaton that puts the rights of such creeps above the welfare of children deserves all the brickbats hurled their way.

M. Simon (#170)

Here's the article: The Sexual Rage Behind Islamic Terror

All serial killers, almost without exception, are severely sexually abused as children. The kind of people who hijack a plane with innocent people and drive it into a building with thousands of other innocent people are related to this phenomenon.

When sociopaths rape and kill, they do not see their victims as human beings, but only as objects. This is because the sociopaths were themselves, at one time, used as objects - as their bodily integrity was repeatedly violated. The rage that results from sexual abuse is one thing, but when combined with living in a dysfunctional culture of sexual repression and misogyny, where love is reduced to violent domination, it is quite another.

Throughout the Islamic Middle East, men and women are taught to be vehemently opposed to pleasure, especially of the sexual variety. Men are raised not only forbidden to touch women, but to even look at them. Sex before marriage is not just a sin - but a criminal offence. It is punishable by a severe beating at best, and an execution at worst.

The sexual privileges that are allowed in Islamic cultures are permitted to men. Women's sexuality and social independence represent major threats to male supremacy and are tightly controlled. Thus, as the Moroccan feminist Fitna Sabbah reveals in her book Woman in the Muslim Unconscious, there is a disturbing conflict in the Middle East between sexual libido and repression. A deep-seated fear of, and hostility to, individuality prevails, and its main expression exists in misogyny.

Socially segregated from women, Arab men succumb to homosexual behavior. But, interestingly enough, there is no word for »homosexual« in their culture in the modern Western sense. That is because having sex with boys, or with effeminate men, is seen as a social norm. Males serve as available substitutes for unavailable women. The male who does the penetrating, meanwhile, is not emasculated any more than if he had sex with a wife. The male who is penetrated is emasculated. The boy, however, is not, since it is rationalized that he is not yet a man.

In this culture, males sexually penetrating males becomes a manifestation of male power, conferring a status of hyper-masculinity. It is considered to have nothing to do with homosexuality. An unmarried man who has sex with boys is simply doing what men do. As the scholar Bruce Dunne has demonstrated, sex in Islamic societies is not about mutuality between partners, but about the adult male's achievement of pleasure through violent domination.

There is silence around this issue. It is the silence that legitimizes sexual violence against women, such as honor crimes and female circumcision. It is also the silence that forces victimized Arab boys into invisibility. Even though the society does not see their sexual exploitation as being humiliating, the psychological and emotional scars that result from their subordination, powerlessness and humiliation is a given. Traumatized by the violation of their dignity and manliness, they spend the rest of their lives trying to get it back.

Beyond the sexual repression is the suppression of individual expression. The hijab and abaya take care of that, turning the women into Black Moving Objects, each one indistinguishable from the next. Islam snuffs out the human spirit.

#131 mich-again
Aren't numbers of people and wealth of people two different things? If a population is poor, that doesn't mean it can't be numerous. In fact, the correlation is the opposite of what you suggest: the poor have more kids.

With a far superior birth rate, the Muslim world will predominate but it will be extremely poor.
Because of this, it will seek its subsistence by raiding the non-Muslim world, which will be relatively few in numbers.

Besides the overall situation in the world, consider Europe. The non-Muslims in Europe are not reproducing at rates sufficient to even replace themselves, let alone have population growth. The Muslims in Europe have large families, and their population doubles every certain number of years. In any case, the Muslim birth rate is far superior to the non-Muslim birth rate. Poverty does not decrease the birth rate; in general, the poor have more children than those who are comfortable. The result will be that Europe will be predominantly Muslim, and predominantly poor Muslim.

I am suggesting that it is extremely important for the kafir that Islam reform itself. Because the kafir will eventually be living in the Muslim world. And the extreme hostility of Islam to the kafir, and the oppressiveness of Sharia law, would make it most difficult for the kafir. It is better that Islam reform and become less intolerant. It is obvious that this applies to Europe, but they are only the beginning; what happens to Europe will happen on a larger scale in the world also. The rapidly growing Muslim population will need to emigrate from their lands to find work, and the youthfulness of that population will lead to aggressive behavior, including jihad. So reform is important.

Good morning, song_and_dance_man.

I see your an early riser too.

Yes, although usually not this early. I had to wait around for Starbucks to open! :-)

song_and_dance_man, enjoy. It's going to be a beautiful day. It's warm outside, even at this hour.

We're in the middle of a cold front. It's 61 F out there. Brrr! It will warm up by noon. ;^D

# 187 EE

I am suggesting that it is extremely important for the kafir that Islam reform itself. Because the kafir will eventually be living in the Muslim world. And the extreme hostility of Islam to the kafir, and the oppressiveness of Sharia law, would make it most difficult for the kafir. It is better that Islam reform and become less intolerant.

EE, its better for the kafir's that Islam reform - but what's in it for Islam? Even in a petri dish, the more aggressive organism will eventually kill off weaker strains and consume every last vestige of space.

Its not to Islam's benefit to accomodate us - perhaps subjugate and find a use for us that benefits them - but its certainly not in their interest to do anything that would cause us to thrive.

Beagle, it was flannel shirt weather around Tampa this morning... but the sun is out and we're already running back in to exchange the woolies for t-shirts. I'll wave my arms vigorously in your direction. :)

Beagle, LOL! Where are you?

17C at LAX at 7 am PST

That is pretty comfortable.

Orlando - I'm in a blue county in a red state. This should sound familiar to you Cali people. I live in Orange County.

Ed Moran, it's always colder at LAX than it is elsewhere in LA. It's currently 59 here, expecting a high of 82.

Latest GFS shows a White Christmas from just north of Atlantic City, down into northern Virginia, and then along and north of a line running about 37N all the way to the Rockies, wher eit follows the high terrain south, then north, into Canada, with snow in the Sierra Nevada south of Lake Tahoe.

Nephew: Suspicions About Arafat's Death

They're still peddling this crap. Who cares how he died, the important thing is that he's dead.

My wife went Christmas shopping, and my two year old daughter woke up right after.

That'd be more ok if I wasn't looking at LGF until 2 am.

Ed, somewhere down the list of Murphy's Laws I swear I read: The minute you are left alone with a sleeping baby, they wake up and have enough energy to light up Manhattan for a week.

PLO Foreign Minister says two countries conspired to kill him, accuses Israel of poisoning him and US of refusing to provide antidote.

Speaking to the Arabic language daily Al-Bian he said that after having constantly failed in their attempts to kill Arafat, the two countries conspired to kill him. “The PLO has set up an investigative committee to examine all the evidence pointing to the conspiracy”, he said, admitting “that so far we have not succeeded in discovering how this was done, as no traces of any known toxin have been found”.

Lunatics.

Regarding Islamic sexual rage - aren't the splodeydopes promised 72 virigns? What are the women promised?

#193 zulubabyu

As regards Arafat I still think that James Taranto's description:

"Arafat remains in stable condition after dying in a Paris hospital" says it all.

168 The Big Guy
I worded that badly. What I meant to say was there can never be a situation where a leader is alone with one or more children or a child is alone with leader(s). It protects everyone involved. The whole situation was totally blown out of proportion and shed a lot of bad light on a group whose only real function is to teach boys to be good citizens.
{sarcasm-on Most people just put their kids in scouts so the dad can finally win a pinewood derby race by making the car themselves using all the cheating tricks they learned on the internet. sarcasm-off}

178 EE
You are right that most superpopulated countries are the poorest, and there isn't evidence to support my theory of the self-correcting factor..yet. For the RoP, the spread of knowledge and information will eventually lead to louder and louder calls for rights by the oppressed women trapped in the cult. I see the radical Islamists facing an impossible task of continuing the spread of their cult. It will rot from within.
One gruesome self-correcting factor of overpopulation among people in poverty is uncontrolled spread of diseases and viruses from living in unsanitary conditions. Africa is a sad example of that.

#194

Women do not get into heaven without the approval of their husbands. If a husband is displeased with his wife, she goes to hell.

A woman's great gift in heaven is eternity with her husband. While he enjoys his 72 houris and beautiful boys like pearls, she gets to watch.

The really creepy thing about the virgins (houris) is that they are not mere girls, they are genies. They are completely transparent like glass. I assume this is so men in a penis obsessed culture can watch it rise day in, day out, and everywhere it might go.

Islam tells us all the intimate details, right down to the fact that houris don't crap or menstruate or drool.

Body fluids are of endless perverse interest in Islam. Apparently, one of the major aspects of a heavenly life is that one no longer be concerned with them since houri snatch doesn't ooze in any way.

Whew! What a relief. Eternal freedom from dripping orifices.

Question for Military Personnel or those in the know. When sending packages via Anysoldier or the like why is pornographic or nude material prohibited? I know if I was with all guys for years at a time I would certainly appreciate a playboy. Just wondering the philosophy there.

#198 dll2000

Because although the left, and its publishing arm the MSM, believe that anything goes, if the military allowed this Rumsfeld would be accused of promoting pornography while shortchanging the armor. :-)

What is the stats if abused children ending up in our prisons when adults (or before). Gives us some explaination of the insanity of the enemy.

CSPAN aired a roundtable discussion last night. Topic, Women in Iran and Pakistan. Interesting talk. There are so many layers of classes in these societies--we really cannot fathom.

There are also Human Rights attorneys working in these countries to try to make the situation right. It all boils down to Money and Power.

There are laws on the books, but they are not enforced. Difficult for the abused to stand-up for themselves, we've heard so much about that in the last few years from the psychoogical standpoint in this country. In our country, once a person decides they have the courage to fight, the law is with them. There, they are alone.

What a Quagmire.

Man-Boy Love and Islam

What we call homosexual pedophilia is a generally accepted practice in Islamic countries. US soldiers have had a difficult time with the Afghan warlorda, who fight amongst themselves over the prettiest 12 year old boys. CBS (ugh) and the Washington Post reported on this extensively during the initial war against the Taliban.

In the Koran, there are two references were the 70 virgins promised to men who die heroic deaths fighting the infidels are referred to in the masculine gender. Like Alexander and the ancient Greeks, Arab/Moslems idealize the sexual relationship between a man and a young boy. They seem to see it as a rite of passage for the boy, and not as homosexuality per se. The men usually also have wives; they just have a "special relationship" with a young boy as well. Perhaps it is best understood as a mentoring relationship (from their point of view).

So the "rampant sexual abuse" in Pakistani schools is not at all surprising. They try to keep this "down there" (as in African American culture, where gay sex is prevalent but argued that it is just sex and does not make the man gay), as in, not public.

It is quite curious that Islam accuses Western culture of decadence, when they routinely practice homosexual pedophilia, and also circumcise young girls so that they can never feel sexual pleasure.

The Moslem suicide bombers, suicide pilots, etc., are looking forward to be attended by fair young virginal boys in paradise, according to the Prophet Mohammed in the Koran (but they don't call the homosexual!):

Although the Qu'ran does not have verses explicitly in favor of homosexuality, it does have verses which show awareness of male beauty. These are promises made to Muslim men who make it to Heaven.

SURA LII:24
"And there shall wait on them [the Muslim men] young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls."

SURA LXXVI:19
"They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who will seem like scattered pearls to the beholders."

[Link: www.fordham.edu...]

antiquebob (#203),

One of my pet peeves. These muslims are murderers that happen to be killed in their murderous attacks. Suicide has got nothing to do with it.

#204 Geepers

OK, I stand correctsd - they are homicide bombers.

antiquebob (#205),

No worries, just one of pet peeves.

It's a problem of exposure to a liberal press. Where they dictate the terms used, literally in some cases, Reuters and the BBC are disallowed from using the word "terrorist" to describe terrorists.

Suicide sounds desperate and somewhat noble. Murderer doesn't. The MSM wants to see these murderers as something they're not.

It's dishonest.

A few years ago, like around 1995, there was a guy in Belgium that kill a man because he did not take care of the kids that was in a prison below his home. This let to an investigation that went all over Europe. It also cost some judges in Belgium to be put in jail and they were some that were just put off the bench. They lost their job. If I remember correctly, there were a lot of people in Belgium that hit the streets because of what the judges were trying to do. They found a child sex and slavery ring running through Europe. If I remember correctly they also found that it was connected to a child sex and slavery ring that came out of India and went into Saudi Arabia and into Syria were slavery is legal. They were taking children right off the streets in India. It seems to me that there was one child that escaped from Saudi Arabia that helped to bring some of this to light. Then the story just died.

I know the thing in Belgium can be checked out. I may be wrong about the exact year but I'm close. Missing children all over the world is a problem. The main stream media does not want people to start thinking that missing children are being used for sex and used in slavery.

Slavery in the Arab countries is big business. Any place in the world where you have males that need to feel that they are a gift from god, things like child abuse is common. Arab men have a great need to feel superior to the children and their women.

When I was at Arizona State University in the late 70’s I was told by many that I should be very careful around the Arabs because they believe as the ancient Greeks did. Men were for pleasure and women were for children. They would rape a man just as easy as they would rape a woman.

Best wish to all
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

#178 EE - Except for Mormons.

I meant that I think Mormon families have more children than the US average, AND higher incomes.

#84- and Friends,
Often children, being CHILDREN, think that what is happening to them is happening to everyone. They only learn perspective after they begin sharing spoken observations with others... and it can take YEARS to realize that something vile and abusive, done by someone BIG whom the child trusts, is wrong.

Because children are children, naive and trusting and circumscribed in their understandings.

It is THIS trust that the bullies and rapists abuse and violate!

little old engineer

I know the thing in Belgium can be checked out. I may be wrong about the exact year but I'm close. Missing children all over the world is a problem. The main stream media does not want people to start thinking that missing children are being used for sex and used in slavery.

The actual truth is even more horiffic than anyone can imagine.

These children not only end up as child sex slaves---

Many of the stolen children from India, Afghanistan Brazil and Africa are murdered for their organs!
This involves a global network of black market organ dealing for the purposes of transplantation, to wealthy "paying" clients in the Middle-East and Europe and even the US!
The bodies are often found with most of the major organs missing.

It's much, much worse...than can be imagined.

Suffer the children
The child sex trade is a global nightmare, but a former Interpol agent and a Boulder nonprofit are doing something about it

Child kidnappers caught in Afghanistan
31.07.2004 Two child kidnappers suspected of removing captives' body parts for sale had been arrested in southern Afghanistan and could face the death penalty, a local official said yesterday.

Karzai seeks death for Afghan organ traffickers

Gory business of organ trading

Mozambique Govt slammed on organ scandal