There used to be a word for this: collaboration.

Mystery solved... now we know where the money came to buy that 100 tons of explosives detonated in that tunnel came from.

Europe just keeps getting itself filthier and filthier.

But wait, aren't the Saudis our friends?

These accounts were set up at the instigation of the Saudi authorities who required the banks to pass the money on to a fund administered by Saudis.

Wonderful. Just what the world needs-more Saudi support for terror under the guise of "Islamic charity." I'm beginning to think that murdering non-Muslims is the only real "charitable" activity occurring in the Islamic world.

GOOD, now the Families of the Victims of terrorism who won the case against the islamic "charities" will have someone to pay them.

Very good.

And everyday tighter knot around the neck of the Saudis.

Brit helping to kill Jews, nothing new in this fact.

Connecting this story to the recent thread about the LLL push to "divest" from Israel: seeing stories like this one convinces me that we should start a "Divest from Islam" counter-movement, which would entail boycotting any company, such as this British bank, that does business with Islamic extremists, Wahhabis, regimes like Iran and Sudan, and so on.

Get 'em in the pocketbook. Fight the war on all fronts.

I have an HSBC credit card, any relationship?

#8 Zombie... maybe we should do a spot of research, and publish a list?

Woohooo! Looks like more lawsuits coming.

The legal action comes at a time when victims of terror are increasingly using the civil courts to take action against those they deem responsible for carrying out terrorist acts.

Now, if they can find a way to collect these judgments they'll really be on to something. I'd love to see multi-million dollar suits filed on a daily basis.

Similarly, did you hear about the woman who had an uncollected judgment for sale on ebay for a divorce settlement?

Ebay may have to open a whole new category for selling uncollected/uncollectable civil judgments against terrorist organizations in the near future. I hope so.

Hey guys, it's off-topic, but hear me out now and shoot me later. I could really use your votes at the Weblog Awards. I am about 30 votes behind a liberal, out of 7300+ votes cast. Your vote for me could make a huge difference.

You can read an example of my work here.

If you like what you see, please vote for me here. You guys could totally turn the tide for me.

#9 piglet 
I have an HSBC credit card, any relationship?

Yes! Same company. You, piglet, can start the "Divest From Islam" movement right now by cutting up that credit card. Think of the glory of being the first member of a beautiful counter-revolution!

Of course, my proposal would most likely entail boycotting the entire nation of France, but hey -- ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

My account & credit card are with NatWest, whew

Jack Straw insists that Hamas is well within its legal rights to raise funds in the UK. You people are just being unreasonable!

zombie, I'm usually against boycotts of any kind but I do like your "Divest From Islam" idea very much.

OT

I'm sure this has been covered...BUT

U.S. Tapped U.N.'s ELBaradei News Max

Why wouldn't we tap the phone of a collaborator of nuclear technology proliferation. This asshat is as bad as a.q.khan, only not as smart.

#17 Elcid

OT, but it came to my mind: I'm reading a book with the story of the Chernobyl accident and aftermath, and the director of IAEA at the time was our pal Hans Blix.

Patterico, I'm prepared to vote for you on condition that you vote for LGF.

Absolutely. My vote has been cast.

The polite Saudis are at it again.

Looks like Charles may be able to pull this one out with real participation from people on this blog. (Same goes for me. We're both running a very close second.)

Anyway, I have done my part and voted for LGF.

The license for HSBC for banking in the US should be pulled..

Patterico, okay, I've voted for you.

Zulubaby, I'll go you one better. A little bit of bribery involved here . . . If you guys can get me ahead of Michael Totten, I'll endorse LGF on my blog. I get only 1200 visitors a day, roughly, but every little bit helps.

Patterico
Done

#13 zombie

Of course, my proposal would most likely entail boycotting the entire nation of France, but hey -- ya gotta do what ya gotta do

I thought that was a given. ;-)

I wonder if HBSC handled the Terrorthon proceeds.

#25 Patterico

Don't wait. Endorse the lizard!

Voted for you, btw.

#11 theheat
Absolutely!

For the first time victims of terrorism will assert in civil courts that the facilitation of financing terrorism and terrorist organisations is itself a crime against humanity

Enough lawsuits, and these bastards in the Islamic world who fund terror may just start to get the picture. It would be yet another way to use the legal system to go after terrorists. Bravo! I hope they sue the bejesus out of the Saudis! (or maybe I should say, I hope they sue the be-mohammed out of the Saudis! Woo-hoo! Never thought I'd be cheering trial lawyers!)

#23 ted 
The license for HSBC for banking in the US should be pulled..

ted, you've just been appointed to the "Committee for Government Action" in the Divest From Islam movement. Go for it.

Patterico, bribery works for me. Payback is going to be when the Fisky awards roll around. I want your vote for Kofi Annan, k?

Okay, guys. I'm convinced. I'll post an endorsement right away -- but keep voting for me, okay?

#32 song_and_dance_man
*zombie will be sleeping

As a zombie, I exist in a continuous state of the netherworld between sleep and wakefulness.

If only Charles posted late at night -- that's when I'm really ready to type. I prowl the threads at 2am, when there's no one around. I may not have the record for first posts (or maybe I do?), but I might have the record for the little-known goal of last post.

defending the third sacred place in Islam — the blessed al-Aqsa mosque.

How about a 2000 lb. MOAB on that little landmark. Nothing left to defend works for me.

"HSBC, one of Britain’s biggest banks, has been accused of channelling tens of millions of pounds to suicide bombers."

This means that HSBC happens to be one of the biggest high street banks in Britain (as it's written in the Times)...HSBC actually stands for Hong Kong Shanghai Corporation...it became a worldwide bank by buying out banks in other countries including the US I presume...in Britain it was the Midland bank. There seems to be quite a few branches springing up around the US as well ([Link: us.hsbc.com...]

A spokesman confirmed that HSBC had a 40% stake in its Saudi subsidiary, the Saudi-British Bank, but said the bank was managed locally. He declined to comment further until the bank had seen details of the writs. The legal action comes at a time when victims of terror are increasingly using the civil courts to take action against those they deem responsible for carrying out terrorist acts.

It's a global banking institution (which is far more worrying) that happens to own a 40 percent share in a Saudi bank that has been caught funding terrorists (Citibank of the US were also caught doing the same)...and I imagine most banks and other financial organisations are guilty. The only answer is to stop funding, dealing with and owning Saudi businesses...I won't hold my breath.

“We believe these attacks were facilitated by a network of government-sponsored charities, international banks and ‘charity’ front organisations established in the UK, the USA, Israel, the Palestinian-administered territories and throughout Europe. For the first time victims of terrorism will assert in civil courts that the facilitation of financing terrorism and terrorist organisations is itself a crime against humanity.”

Institutions in the UK, the USA, Israel and Europe are all being persued and tried for these links...I'd suggest everyone writes a letter to their bank and asks them who owns them, what do they own and wether they have any holdings in the Middle East.

My endorsement of LGF is here.

PS OT

Barghoutti (or however you spell it) is out of the pali leadership race...

#35 Nomorelies

How about a 2000 lb. MOAB on that little landmark. Nothing left to defend works for me.

Seems a shame to destroy a beautiful piece of archetecture just because the inhabitants are a bunch of pinheads with impulse control issues.

#10 skippymoment and #8 zombie -

A "Divest from Islam" black list sounds like a useful weapon for a grass roots counter terrorism effort!

#36 Dave Ray
HSBC actually stands for Hong Kong Shanghai Corporation

OK, that's it: Dave Ray, you've just earned yourself the title of Director of Research at DivestFromIslam.com. No salary to speak of, but we do have great mental health benefits.

(#38) Dave Ray

I just posted my theory, as to why I think he'd prefer to stay in prison, back on the Abu Mazen thead.

Gladly take the job...

if only I got it right...it should have read Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation obviously

SoCal:

That's one hell of a theory...see where your coming from and can't help agree.

43 dr
as one who is used to interpreting military acronyms, i got it... my favorites are the acronyms composed of a string of other acronyms! life could be worse! we could have to quote the koran!

#12 Patterico

Okay, you got my vote.

Wouldn't you love to see them sued into poverty, or at least complete hysteria, by bloodthirsty Jewish attorneys? Talk about adding insult to injury.

"Whoa!", Andrew Dice Clay... I mean Silverstein.

World Bank directly funding Hamas

Totally OT and sorry it it's been posted before.

What the hell is wrong with the Brits?

Under-18s to be banned from buying knives

Did they ever solve the Billionaire banker death mystery?

The attack on Mr Safra came during the final stages of the purchase of the bank by London-based HSBC Bank.

Mr. Safra was a Lebanese-born Jew.

Sarah:

Stabbings in schools are on the increase...it's called a kneejerk reaction. New Labour and it's obsession with PC I'm afraid.

#51 Dave Ray

Any way to get statistics on those school stabbings? Crime rates in the neighborhood, cultural density, etc?

Citibanks dirty deals with terror

PS Sarah, I'll have a look.

#49 Sarah

The answer is HERE.

1984 it isn't, Orwell was off by about 20 years.

"Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - George Orwell

Courtesy
Grey Hawk

#49 Sarah D.
I think minors are prohibited from buying knives with blades in excess of 4" length in most U.S. communities as well, it's just that the laws are usually state and local ones as opposed to federally-mandated.

#55 mickthemick

Every kid I grew up with (boys) had hunting knives that far exceeded four inches. If the laws have changed you couldn't tell it by hunting season here. Maybe the parents are buying them for the kids tho. It's easier to gut a hog with a knife over four inches!

#55 Mickthemick

think minors are prohibited from buying knives with blades in excess of 4" length in most U.S. communities as well, it's just that the laws are usually state and local ones as opposed to federally-mandated.

Heh. My husband said that even though it is "illegal" to carry knives in school, if he confiscated a knfe from every kid that carried one, it would fill up the back of the pickup truck. He said he's always got kids comin' in asking him to sharpen their knives.

"Do you sharpen their knives?"

"Uh, maybe I better not say..."

Sarah D.

From what I can work out (well it's in the Guardian and everyone elses stats are from 3 years ago) Knife related crime has actually dropped by 6 percent...but hey it's on the news and the government want to take the heat off Blunkett because of his affair!

#56 Sarah D

Every kid I grew up with (boys) had hunting knives that far exceeded four inches. If the laws have changed you couldn't tell it by hunting season here. Maybe the parents are buying them for the kids tho. It's easier to gut a hog with a knife over four inches!

Yeah, and it's DEER season, too! Never know when you gotta whip out yer skinnin' knife and gut something.

My daughter's hog skinnin' knife was scary lookin'. I just carried around a straight knife on my belt and a foldin' buck knife for my pocket, and I used to have some fancy dress knives in my pocketbook, along with the multitool.

Course, back when we went to school, people had their guns in their gun racks in the pickup so's they could go huntin' after school...

"Do you sharpen their knives?"

"Uh, maybe I better not say..."

A sharp knife is safer than a dull one.

When I was a teenager, I bought a huge ( 13" or so) chromeplated bowie knife. My father found out and embarrassed me, took me back to the store where I bought it and made me trade it in for a proper buck knife with a 7 inch blade.

Terror funding = possible nuclear proliferation. Maybe things are about to take a turn for the better with this piece of encouraging news from The Australian:
THE US has approached Foreign Minister Alexander Downer as a candidate to replace International Atomic Energy Agency head Mohamed ElBaradei.

#49 Sarah D.

You probably missed this one by Chicago Sun Times writer Mark Steyn, for"The Telegraph" An Englishman's home is his dungeon

One of the key measures of a society's health is how easily you can insulate yourself from its underclass. In America, unless one resides in a very small number of problematic inner-city quarters or wishes to make a career in the drug trade, one will live a life blessedly untouched by crime. In Britain, alas, it's the peculiar genius of Home Office policy to have turned the entire country into one big, rundown, inner-city, no-go slum estate, extending from prosperous suburbs to leafy villages, even unto Upper Cheyne Row.

. . . All this high-tech protection, urged on the householder by Pc Plod, may make your home more secure, but it makes you less so. From the burglar's point of view, the more advanced and impregnable the alarm systems become, the more it makes sense just to knock on the door and stab whoever answers.

Mr Monckton's killers thus made an entirely rational choice. He was a wealthy man, living in a prestigious neighbourhood of £3 million homes, and he presumably had the best security system to go with it. But time it right, get him to the front door, and the state-enforced impotence of the homeowner makes him as vulnerable as any old loser in a decrepit urine-sodden block on Broadwater Farm. . .

. . . But the trouble is that this kind of burglary - the kind most likely to go "wrong" - is now the norm in Britain. In America, it's called a "hot" burglary - a burglary that takes place when the homeowners are present - or a "home invasion", which is a much more accurate term. Just over 10 per cent of US burglaries are "hot" burglaries, and in my part of the world it's statistically insignificant: there is virtually zero chance of a New Hampshire home being broken into while the family are present. But in England and Wales it's more than 50 per cent and climbing. Which is hardly surprising given the police's petty, well-publicised pursuit of those citizens who have the impertinence to resist criminals.

These days, even as he or she is being clobbered, the more thoughtful British subject is usually keeping an eye (the one that hasn't been poked out) on potential liability. Four years ago, Shirley Best, proprietor of the Rolander Fashion emporium, whose clients include Zara Phillips, was ironing some clothes when the proverbial two youths showed up. They pressed the hot iron into her flesh, burning her badly, and then stole her watch. "I was frightened to defend myself," said Miss Best. "I thought if I did anything I would be arrested." There speaks the modern British crime victim.

...more ...

I used to have some fancy dress knives in my pocketbook, along with the multitool.

Do you mean

1) a set of "dressing knives" just in case you had to skin and dress a dead animal?

or

2) a fancy looking knife, maybe with mother of pearl or jeweled handle, just in case you needed to fend off an assult at a formal event like a prom?

#64 piglet

2) a fancy looking knife, maybe with mother of pearl or jeweled handle, just in case you needed to fend off an assult at a formal event like a prom?

Yep, mother of pearl handle. You just never know when you need a knife to cut something until you don't have one.

Heh. Husband is writing a quiz about "what type of protection should always be worn when operating a tool in the shop?"

It was multiple choice. I made him take out condoms.

Have to say, I love my leatherman WAVE tool.
best part is, you can open the two main blades on handed even when the tool is closed.

#58 Dave Ray

Gads, I hate that. Well, any of you brits who are ready to get the hell out of there I've got some extra floor space!

#59 SwampWoman

I carry a straight knife also, a Buck. It's very pretty!

For hunting season I have the folding lock blade Buck. Nice knife.

#63 Havoc

What a nightmare. While we have had instances of this type thing here, for the most part Americans are still allowed to defend themselves. Remember a cuople years ago that black man in NYC who shot an intruder? The problem wasn't that he shot him, it was that he hadn't properly registered his gun in NYC (I believe he had moved from out of state).

Personally, I think all gun owners should put a sign out on the lawn:

"Homeowner would be happy to shoot you. If your prefer not to die, please rob the anti-gun liberal down the street."

#63 Havoc

These days, even as he or she is being clobbered, the more thoughtful British subject is usually keeping an eye (the one that hasn't been poked out) on potential liability. Four years ago, Shirley Best, proprietor of the Rolander Fashion emporium, whose clients include Zara Phillips, was ironing some clothes when the proverbial two youths showed up. They pressed the hot iron into her flesh, burning her badly, and then stole her watch. "I was frightened to defend myself," said Miss Best. "I thought if I did anything I would be arrested." There speaks the modern British crime victim.

C'mon, nobody is that law-abiding...right? Do those people follow the speed limit? (Oh, right. Cameras.)

#66 SwampWoman

Let him leave it in, I'd like to see how many of them pick that one!

Well, crap. Husband changed the multiple choice safety equipment choice from condoms to fluorescent orange boxers.

The scary thing is that some kids are gonna miss the correct answer anyway.

#67 piglet

Have to say, I love my leatherman WAVE tool.

Me too! I carry one in my purse... :)

OT:

Saw a Dem event on Cspan today, where assorted worthies of the Democratic establishment gathered to discuss "Whither Next the Party?"

Stuart Rothenberg made one of the most boneheaded comments: "Kerry had to persuade the voters he wasn't soft on terror. Gee, I don't know how many generals you need to parade across the stage with you to convince people!"

Q.E.D.: Democrats have NO idea of the difference between bullshit and real power. And their contempt for the citizens allows them to think that merely "parading generals" across a stage makes the citizens believe their candidate has ballz. What horse fertilizer.

After he made that idiotic statement, another worthy on the panel stated petulantly that the Democrats needed to be farther to the Left, the party of pacifism that "will bring hope and peace to the world." Another pampered poodle who has no idea that he needs the rottweilers at the gate to keep him safe and cozy. Living in Cloud Cuckoo Land: "Up above the world so high, Like a tea tray in the sky..."

HSBC is right here in the United States as well. They just recently aquired Household Finance Corp. They are one of the biggest providers of credit card services in the U.S. (First Data is #1).

Next question on the quiz: Why was the OSHA act signed?

Possible choices: A) To tax business owners. B) High numbers of job-related deaths and injuries. C) To counter England's stamp act, or D) The end the War of Northern Aggression.

I made him take out "To ensure an adequate supply of beer on the job."

42 SoCalJustice

Bargouthi's, wife...has she been testing poor Yushchenko's soup, or was she just born that god damn ugly?

#75 secsaillor

HSBC is right here in the United States as well. They just recently aquired Household Finance Corp. They are one of the biggest providers of credit card services in the U.S. (First Data is #1).

Wooohooo! Okay, everybody, run up them charge cards and then DO NOT PAY! Do your part for the war on terror! Get that oil money back!

I'm goin' to hell, I just know it.

OT, but could somone please help with this missle through the pentagon thing? Guessin' you've probably already seen this. What's up?
[Link: www.totaldisarray.com...]

OT:

Atlas posted this in another thread:
[Link: home.nc.rr.com...]

Me too! I carry one in my purse... :)

Me too! The only thing it needs is an attachment to hold a handcuff key.

OT

Wednesday Morning Hard Freeze Threat to My Small Lemon Trees and Avacado Tree Planted Just This Summer!

The good news is the Washingtonia Robusta fan palm trees I have planted in my yard should be safe even to the
-5 C predicted for my backyard.

I'm not sure how I'd go about wrapping my lemon trees, unless I just drape them with a towel. Ditto my avacado.

BTW, longer range, the 12Z doesn't show a White Christmas in Houston, but does show a major ice storm the week after.

One too many "a"s in avocado. Sorry.

[Link: www.handcuffwarehouse.com...]

Maybe you could attach one of these to the wave keyring thingy.

Zak Tool #15 handcuff key extension tool. "Enhances use of the original key due to the extended barrel length and keyring swivel feature. This allows the user to manipulate the key by rolling the barrel between the thumb and forefinger. To replace the key, unscrew the end cap and insert a new key. Replace the cap and its ready for use. Original issue key is not included in the lifetime guarantee" Includes 2 standard keys. Bright finish, keyring included.

#56 Sarah D.

Every kid I grew up with (boys) had hunting knives that far exceeded four inches.

When I was in high school, I think there was a rule that you couldn't be a boy if you didn't carry a pocket knife. Strange, nobody ever got stabbed with one.

I carried a small one to open boxes etc until the airlines started taking them away.

#68 Sarah D. 12/12/2004 02:31PM PST

Personally, I think all gun owners should put a sign out on the lawn:

"Homeowner would be happy to shoot you. If your prefer not to die, please rob the anti-gun liberal down the street."

better yet make stickers like burglar alarm companys do

Y'all take it easy; I need to head on out and feed the horses. I don't want to wait until it's too dark because a mama rat had a litter of little ones on a top shelf and they're in the weaning stage now and runnin' around and getting into everything. I like to have a little light so if somethin' runs up my leg, I can tell what it is. (Yeah, I know it probably gives y'all city people the creeps, but hey, I've had pet squirrels, raccoons, mice, snakes, possums, and armadillos. I think the little rats are cute. Once they move outside, the hawks and cats will get 'em. That was a clever mama rat.)

#85 [Engineer]

Right you are. Since I was supposed to be the boy in the family, Dad bought me my first Uncle Henry when I was in the 2nd grade.

I never knew of anyone to get stabbed or cut in school. Seems to me they're missing the main problem. Repercussions for actions anyone?

As far as the home invasions go, any wonder they're going up? The simple deterrent of not knowing if they're going to get their heads blown off or not works pretty good here. Take that away and it's a free-for-all.

#64 Piglet

Woohooo! That is JUST the thang for Santa to drop in my stockin' on Christmas morning.

I think I'll buy some for the nieces and nephews, too.

#82 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C

Maybe you're OK in Houston, but here in Austin all robustas will be toast soon as we have a normal winter. Washingtonia filifera is much hardier and is more beautiful too. Who was the unscrupulous individual who sold you robusta?

Fred

67, 73,

screw that. carry a spyderco, and practice a coupla times with it... one hand opening, and definitely pretty.

only once have i had to pull one of my little babies, and the three mugging-thugs turned tail and ran like hell.

it might of helped that i was looking the "leader" in the eyes when i popped the blade off to the side, and only the guy off to to that side saw it and hollered out... 'cause in my mind, they were all three dead.

ED MORAN, you still here?

Am I still fixin' to get snow in Southeast Georgia/Northeast Florida right before Christmas?

Gimme a hint, here, cause I got people plannin' on bein' here Christmas eve and Christmas day and I sure as hell want them to be able to get back home where they belong.

I'm serious here. I NEEDS to know.

HSBC eyes Iraq for Mideast expansion
Wed Dec 1, 2004 02:42 PM GMT

"There seems to be obvious growth opportunities born of the fact the market is growing so fast ... We are used to coping with the unexpected."
Chief Executive Stephen Green

By Richard Dean

ABU DHABI (Reuters) - HSBC is seeking to set up shop in former rogue states Iraq and Libya, among other Middle East target markets, says Chief Executive Stephen Green.

Green told Reuters in an interview on Wednesday the bank was in the process of negotiating with authorities and banks in both countries to build a presence there.

HSBC is one of the banks licensed to operate in war-torn Iraq and financial sources say it is likely to be operational by the first quarter of 2005.

Green declined to give details about the Iraq operation, but said: "We are interested in Libya. It is a country that is beginning to rebuild connections with the international banking world. We are looking to support that process."

Libya recently returned to the international fold after agreeing to pay compensation for the Lockerbie and French UTA airliner bombings and abandon a quest for weapons of mass destruction.

HSBC Holdings has a 46.5 percent stake in British Arab Commercial Bank, which has an office in Tripoli.

Green spoke to Reuters during a visit to the United Arab Emirates, where he was chairing a board meeting of HSBC Bank Middle East, a wholly owned subsidiary of HSBC Holdings.

He said the region contributes "a good 5 percent" to HSBC group revenues, a figure that is rising due to an oil boom, and said the bank was committed to expanding in the region despite instability and the threat of militant attacks.

"The economy in the region is developing very rapidly. There has been a tremendous inflow of liquidity in recent years, largely as a result of high oil revenues," Green said.

"There seems to be obvious growth opportunities born of the fact the market is growing so fast ... We are used to coping with the unexpected," he added.

HSBC Middle East reported pretax profit of $251.6 million (131 million pounds) in 2003, up from $240.9 million in 2002. It is registered in Jersey but has its operational base in Dubai.

HSBC generates Middle East revenues from its 95 percent stake in HSBC Bank Egypt, its 40 percent stake in Saudi British Bank in Saudi Arabia and through HSBC Private Banking Holdings (Suisse).

Green said HSBC would continue to focus on Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates -- its two biggest Middle East markets -- as well as Islamic finance which is growing in the region.

HSBC has applied for an investment banking licence in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, which said they would allow wholly foreign owned banks to operate in markets restricted to local banks.

In the United Arab Emirates, Green said there was scope for growth in nascent residential mortgage lending, particularly in Dubai where foreigners can now own property under a free-hold agreement.

© Reuters 2004. All Rights Reserved.

#79 Fearless Fred

Try this.

#91 SGT Tom

67, 73,

screw that. carry a spyderco, and practice a coupla times with it... one hand opening, and definitely pretty.

Well, I ain't never actually tried to stab anybody with a Leatherman Multitool. Tell you what, you put 'em down, I'll go to work with the pliers.

95 swampwoman

with a spyderco, you slice/slash.
no need to stab.
the toothy edge will make a cut no surgeon can stitch back together. one of my blades nipped my finger while i was playing with it when i first got it... it bled for three days.

Where is Iron Fist for the "Slicing Methods" thread?

Well, I ain't never actually tried to stab anybody with a Leatherman Multitool. Tell you what, you put 'em down, I'll go to work with the pliers.

Many anarchist types have a small pointy stud called a labrette
sticking out of their ower lip. I assume if one were to grab it with multi-tool pliers and yank hard, it would rip out and REALLY really hurt them.

97 pooklebliny
i doubt ironfist would disagree with me.

spyderco teeth are pretty nasty.

makes a heck of a cut!

#96 SGT Tom

with a spyderco, you slice/slash.
no need to stab.
the toothy edge will make a cut no surgeon can stitch back together. one of my blades nipped my finger while i was playing with it when i first got it... it bled for three days.

Well, good. I like a multipurpose gadget. I bet it would slice 'maters real good if there weren't nobody that needed stabbin' around, wouldn't it?

#98 piglet

Not to mention the ones they have in their nose and tongue. Oh, and don't overlook that there might be some that aren't visible unless they're nekkid.

Go after those and you'll have them quickly backing away.

I need to print out these Leatherman instructions that I am reading here...
:)

#98 piglet

Many anarchist types have a small pointy stud called a labrette
sticking out of their ower lip. I assume if one were to grab it with multi-tool pliers and yank hard, it would rip out and REALLY really hurt them.

Well, I was thinkin' 'bout the tongue studs and the eyebrow rings and the nipple rings and the belly button rings (and I ain't goin' any lower just now).

I really need to carry around one o' them little battery-powered soldering irons, now that I think about it.

A minor tug on a sensitive piercing might foucus their attention for a discussion of Adam Smith and the virtues of capitalism, or the
primacy of the jewish claim to jerusalem.

100 swampwoman

it slices them there 'matoes with no effort...
actually, i use one, along with my official "army" fork to eat most of my meals.

a razor might be sharper...

might.

#105 SGT Tom

You still in? What's your MOS and where you stationed?

"Just Some Typical Bush Voters"

"You will get credit in my film and I will make you
homemade South Indian food as payment.

"PROJECT: a documentary called M. ATTRACTION, which is a dramatic verite documentary feature chronicling the physics of love and the chemistry of personalities in the 7-yr relationship of an HIV+ Black Latina lesbian and her African American partner. While single-parent Marie prioritizes relocating her 7-member extended family to Brooklyn over a much-needed
hysterectomy, Kat saves for a car to bridge geography and growing emotional distance.

"Their individual existences and commitment reveals a conservative agenda rewarding heterosexuality and the nuclear family, restrictive of HIV+ immigrants, & the need for economic reform."

If y'all can figure this out, let me know.

106 swampwoman
in? define in?

not active. just makin' believe.
i am now in an army research lab, and part of my job includes garnering feedback from troops via weblogs.

this old sergeant had to hang up his boots after an exciting coyote run at the ntc. and converted his life to doin' other things for the army.

106 swampwoman
oh yes...
mos

56m
46q

currently in mass.

You guys are amazing. If you check the results, you have put me over the top, at least for now. Amazing that LGF commenters can achieve in a couple of hours what others haven't been able to accomplish in days. I hope anyone who hasn't already voted will help widen the gap.

Patterico

I gave you my vote.

BTW: That is a very disturbing piece. Hard to believe that political correctness limits us to only two terrorists per day.

+Photi

#94 Powderfinger

Thanks -- I'm over it.

Fred

Where do you find this spyderco? Sounds useful.

#107 Lady of Shalott

If y'all can figure this out, let me know.

While I'm sure the critics will love it, I'm gonna put that one in the "don't give a sh**" column and wait for another Die Hard movie to come out.

Oh, dang, I think I ain't gonna get no Christmas cards from the DNC now.

"Their individual existences and commitment reveals a conservative agenda rewarding heterosexuality and the nuclear family, restrictive of HIV+ immigrants, & the need for economic reform."

Higher taxes, free immigration.

BTW: Paterico, you were over the time when I voted for you.

#109 SGT Tom

56m
46q

currently in mass.

Aaaack!

113 rabidfox

try
this link
for starters

ot
israeli gunships attacking for earlier terror attack in gaza

Thanks, Sgt Tom. Somehow, I don't think this would be available at my local Wal Mart!

#113 Rabidfox

Don't listen to the kids here.
Go for a Smith and Wesson 357M and a concealed carry permit.
When you are done, people with little nice knives can cut a slice and bring it home to their kids.

/running fast, in a shower of tomato and soup cans...

That karambit looks just about right. Thanks Sgt. Tom.

120 p-l

there's a time for gunpowder...
and a time for

the silent, sure and swift cut of a blade.

they're not interchangeable.

they each have their own purpose.

choose wisely.
:)

Does it occur to people that there is more proof and reason to go after Saudi Arabia than there was to go after Hussein? When will the US government quit cozing-up to the Saudis and call a spade-a-spade; then act accordingly.
Yeah, I know: oil, a middle eastern country that's not completely anti-US, etc.

I don't know anything about spiders but I'll take my Ka-Bar any day.

These brits are DYING to be assaulted!

Under-18s to be banned from buying knives
(Filed: 12/12/2004)

Under-18s are to be banned from buying knives under new plans announced by the Government.

David Blunkett, the Home Secretary, wants to raise the age at which youngsters can buy knives from 16 to 18, the same age at which they can buy alcohol and fireworks.

Mr Blunkett said he would do everything in his power to get knives off Britain's streets and will unveil his plans at talks with police chiefs on Wednesday.

The Home Secretary will use the meeting to announce plans to hold consultations over the change. But senior Home Office sources said he was almost certain to push ahead with it.

Mr Blunkett said: "We must do everything we can to get knives off the streets, including toughening the law.

"I think that there is a very strong argument for having to be 18 to buy a knife, just as with alcohol and fireworks."

The Home Office is also facing demands to bring in tougher punishments for knife crimes.

Sir John Stevens, the Metropolitan Police commissioner, this month said gun crime had been reduced but criminals were now moving onto knives.

He said people carrying knives "for the wrong reasons" should receive mandatory sentences of up to three years.

And relatives of people stabbed to death want the Government to make carrying a knife as serious as carrying a gun.

Mr Blunkett's announcement is the latest in the Government's bid to convince voters it is getting tough on crime.

Tony Blair last week backed Tory moves to give homeowners greater freedom to tackle burglars.

He told MPs he would support a change in the law, if Government consultations showed it was necessary.

121 rabidfox,
in addition to the delica, i have a stainless steel sheepsfoot mariner... 4.15 " toothed blade. it will cut a seatbelt in a single 'snick'.

I have a S&W, but don't want to carry it in my purse. Too heavy - the purse - already. Also, I'm getting to the stage where I'm collecting senior discounts. If someone nasty gets too close to me I want to be able to do some serious damage and I do know where to slash. At home I have various selft defense - things - that are 'imaginative.' Not to use, just to distract while I'm aiming.

124 parson

got one of those.
nice blade.
my dad was issued this in ww2.

but the 'snick' of a spyderco popping open gets a bad-guy's attention, i promise you.

given a chance, i'd go for even bigger steel, but then there's carrying it.

Fearless Fred

Washingtonia robusta is one of the most popular 'street palms' in America. It is fast growing, elegant and, given good drainage and protection from the wind, it is moderately cold hardy. Most palm books claim that its relative, Washingtonia filifera, is hardier than W. robusta. In fact, it has been our experience that W. robusta is the hardier species and it can withstand freezing even as a very small plant.

Link

More Robusta information.

Swamp Woman

No White Christmas at this time for Florida, apparently, but GFS at 12Z shows snow on the ground north of I-10 the following Monday from just north of san Antonio, to just north of Houston, to just north of Lake Ponchartrain, then curving northward somewhat so that all of Florida is barren, but snow is falling as far south as Charleston, SC.

In the shorter term, MOS guidance suggests mid 30s in Jacksonville, FL Wednesday morning, and upper 20s in Tallahassee, so protect delicate vegetation there as well.

BTW, strong winds will follow the cold front tomorrow into Tuesday behind the cold front as it barrels across the Gulf South.

#127 Rabidfox

I have a S&W, but don't want to carry it in my purse. Too heavy - the purse - already.

Same exact words of my wife.

Throw away all the rest.
A S&W is everything you need to look beautiful.

:-)))

Sgt. Tom

My DI told me if the Marine Corps wanted me to have another knife they'd have issued it to me. 'Course, they said the same thing about my wife.

#122 Sgt. Tom

I was just trying to stir a mess but everybody must be in my same Christmas/it's snowing/ I have a stew in the pot simmering mood...

:-)))

Ed Moran. Thanks, you are ruining my Christmas :) (She says dryly). THe only upside is that maybe, just maybe, they'll cancel work. Not to many folks in this part of the world know how to drive in snow (hell, they have problems with rain.)

#124 theparson

I have my brother's Ka-Bar. Dang thing is unwieldy, to me anyhow. It's great for chopping up swamp cabbage tho.

When S&W bowed to the anti-gun crowd during the Clinton years I swore off them. I stick with a Ruger.

Where'd everybody go?

Thanks Ed! Looks like the folks that get here can go back home, too. No whining about roads bein' closed or not bein' able to get across bridges.

And if I make enough food to feed a company I won't have to split it with my hubby because of foul weather keeping people away. While I don't mind layering for the winter, it becomes mighty uncomfortable come July.

#135 The Parson

When S&W bowed to the anti-gun crowd during the Clinton years I swore off them. I stick with a Ruger.

Well, still got my snub-nosed .38 S and W because it was the perfect size and weight to fit my purse. Darned thing kept fallin' out on the check out counter while I was lookin' for where I stuffed the check card, though.

SwampWoman

Breaking the S&W habbit can be tough 'cause they do make an excellent weapon (but, I do detest the Brits). But, once I got off it I found I could breathe better and I didn't get winded as easy. :)

Being from the uk, this discussion on carrying knives and knives specs is almost foreign to me LOL.

I only got a Penknive, and the knive is crap because it's very difficult to pull the knive out in time to defend yourself so I hold the Penknive in the palm of my hand as one would hold a rock.

It has been 6 months since I started to use a Penknive, because if you have seen the above articles on this subject the Police are incompetent in protecting anyone but muslims and non-muslim criminals.

#139 TheParson

Breaking the S&W habbit can be tough 'cause they do make an excellent weapon (but, I do detest the Brits). But, once I got off it I found I could breathe better and I didn't get winded as easy. :)

You know, nobody once asked me if I had a permit to carry that thang concealed?

It would have been an awkward question.

OT: Marwan Barghouti has pulled out of the race for Palestinian President, according to the Arab News. (Yeah, I know, consider the source.)

[Link: www.arabnews.com...]

SwampWoman
I had a concealed carry permit for a couple of years and it's a joke (in Texas). It has to be concealed. If it can be seen in any way, even a bulge in your waistband, you can be arrested. Well, if you can't detect it on me, I don't need a permit. And, by Texas law, if you are a Texas native and you are "travelling" you can carry "on or about your person" a handgun. Case Law has established that "travelling" is from one county seat to another. Uh, ok, yeh, that's how far I was going.

OT at least 5 dead in attack against a checkpoint in the Gaza Strip, in Rafah, done by tunneling under the checkpoint. Hamas and Fatah claim credit; the sophistication of the operation indicates involvement by Hizballah.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

#141 Swamp Woman

If anyone asks, refer them to the Second Amendment.

Don't miss ex-Sen. Fritz Hollings spilling his guts out on 60 Min.

#143 TheParson

I had a concealed carry permit for a couple of years and it's a joke (in Texas). It has to be concealed. If it can be seen in any way, even a bulge in your waistband, you can be arrested. Well, if you can't detect it on me, I don't need a permit. And, by Texas law, if you are a Texas native and you are "travelling" you can carry "on or about your person" a handgun. Case Law has established that "travelling" is from one county seat to another. Uh, ok, yeh, that's how far I was going.

I really got spoiled in Arizona back 10 years ago when I lived there and carried one quite openly in a holster. (I love hiking and nobody would go with me on account of hiked in the desert in the summer...)

#145 Obi-Wan

If anyone asks, refer them to the Second Amendment.

That's the way I figure it.

Does anybody here know of a nice home page with news, like Google, but without all the left leaning junk, like Village Voice or, Boston Globe? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

#140 Raziel

Being from the uk, this discussion on carrying knives and knives specs is almost foreign to me LOL.

I only got a Penknive, and the knive is crap because it's very difficult to pull the knive out in time to defend yourself so I hold the Penknive in the palm of my hand as one would hold a rock.

It has been 6 months since I started to use a Penknive, because if you have seen the above articles on this subject the Police are incompetent in protecting anyone but muslims and non-muslim criminals.

I got a 2-part question for you, Raziel. Is it really that bad, or does it just depend on the neighborhood?

If people are that scared for their personal safety, why not just ignore the laws? I'd be such a pain-in-the-ass prisoner you would not BELIEVE, plus I'd be an alive pain-in-the-ass prisoner.

#129 Ed Moran

It's not true. They may have a cross or there may be other factors, but filifera is almost always hardier. Ask one of the worlds most active palm brokers, right there in Houston -- Grant Stevens. The second link you provided says 20 degrees for robusta. That's probably not far off. From personal experience I can promise you most robustas will perish at around a sustained twenty. Filifera will go down another 10 or 15 degrees. Other genetic or cultural factors may play. Robusta is much cheaper (faster growing and much, much lighter to transport) so is pushed by the unscrupulous types. Since it's not possible to grow robusta through enough winters here for it to attain its genetic max of 100 ft. the filifera's larger trunk and abundance of white hairs in the fronds give it superior aesthetic appeal. Many thousands of robustas and robusta filifera crosses will soon rot here in Austin.

Here's a neat list of hardy palms ... [Link: www.hardiestpalms.com...]

#147 Swamp Woman

Where in Arizona if you don't mind my asking?

NEWS (or has someone already alerted on this?)

Abbas Set to Win Palestinian Vote, Barghouthi Drops Out

RAMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - Moderate Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas's chances of winning a presidential election to replace Yasser Arafat appeared to be sealed after his main rival Marwan Barghouthi pulled out of the race.

+Photi

#140 Raziel (Troll Devouring Blader) 12/12/2004 04:17PM PST
Being from the uk, this discussion on carrying knives and knives specs is almost foreign to me LOL.

I only got a Penknive, and the knive is crap because it's very difficult to pull the knive out in time to defend yourself so I hold the Penknive in the palm of my hand as one would hold a rock

It has been 6 months since I started to use a Penknive, because if you have seen the above articles on this subject the Police are incompetent in protecting anyone but muslims and non-muslim criminals.

If I were you, I would consider emigrating with my family to New Zealand (for the flyfishing), Australia, Tasmania, Idaho, Montana, or Utah, or the American Heartland, that great space between the Hudson River and the Altamount Pass.

Otherwise -- look here
and get yourself one of these,
one of these,
and
one of these
and learn Krav Maga

But it would probably be a whole lot easier to emmigrate than to get ahold of all this and the skill to use them in Jolly old England, Wales and Scotland

#129 Ed Moran

Hey -- I just revisited the Brit's site [Link: www.plantapalm.com...] you provided -- he's probably makin' money, but he doesn't know what he's talking about with respect to his botony. I don't either so much -- but I really respect those who do, and I'm friends with several of them. I also sell and grow palms and I've been around central Texas and Houston for 44 years. Filifera's significantly (considering our conditions and climate) more hardy.

#152 Obi Wan

Where in Arizona if you don't mind my asking?

In the really hot part in Pinal County. Not really "in" any town, closest to Sacaton and Casa Grande.

(About twice as many as were there when I was there, though.)

150) SwampWoman

I got a 2-part question for you, Raziel. Is it really that bad, or does it just depend on the neighborhood?

If people are that scared for their personal safety, why not just ignore the laws? I'd be such a pain-in-the-ass prisoner you would not BELIEVE, plus I'd be an alive pain-in-the-ass prisoner.

It is a bit of both really, all due to the muslim immigration and the non-muslim youth who imitate the muslim gangs. Who it turn have access to Drugs such as Heroin from Iran,Pakistan & Afghanistan, etc.

Some people just accept it and hope it doesn’t happen to them, and the Police come down hard on normal citizens who try to protect themselves.

But if I did have access to the means to defend myself I'd buy:

Desert Eagle

Metal Toe-Capped shoes

Pepper spray

etc,etc.

ATMs Help Finance Islamic Radicals in Europe
Radical Islamic cells in Europe are financing terror networks by withdrawing hundreds of thousands of dollars a month from cash machines with fake credit cards, according to France's top anti-terrorism judge, Jean-Louis Bruguiere. The judge said two years ago investigators uncovered one such financing cell in France. Ten suspected Islamic militants were withdrawing more than $100,000 a month from cash-machines in other European countries. "The (Islamic) European networks finance themselves primarily through microfinancing systems - criminal activity that is very profitable," he said Wednesday. (AP/Seattle Post-Intelligencer)

saw it on Daily Alert

Court Records Tell of Sheik's Promise to Spread Around Financing for Terrorists - William Glaberson (New York Times)
A Yemeni sheik facing terrorism-financing charges in Brooklyn explicitly promised to use money raised in the U.S. to finance Hamas and al-Qaeda, federal prosecutors said in a court filing made public Monday.
During a sting operation in Germany last year, Mohammed Ali Hassan al-Moayad met with an American agent playing the part of a former Black Panther who was eager to contribute $2.5 million to terrorist causes.
Prosecutors say Moayad held a mass wedding in Yemen on the same day as a terrorist attack in Israel, and that a videotape showed that those at the wedding had advance knowledge of the attack.

#157 Raziel

Desert Eagle

Metal Toe-Capped shoes

Pepper spray

etc,etc.

You can't have metal-toed boots? Er, is that the safety boots or the shiny things on the outside tips of the cowboy boots to decorate them? You can't have PEPPER spray? Desert Eagle? (Nah, too heavy for me. I'll pass on that, take a shotgun.)

So, how does the law feel about axes and chainsaws? Maybe y'all can gather around Parliament and rev 'em all up at the same time. Er, watch out for the folks around you.

154) Havoc

It's unlikey that I would be able to get hold of any Guns & "Proper" Knives ;-) , though I'am looking into Krav Maga and adding Brazilian jiu-jitsu and maybe even something called Free-Running

Here a Video of Free-Running in action ;-)

But it would probably be a whole lot easier to emmigrate than to get ahold of all this and the skill to use them in Jolly old England, Wales and Scotland

I hope to make Aliya within 2 Years, God Willing.

160) SwampWoman

See here for example of CS gas being Banned

The safety boots, I've looked high and low for them and only frauds seem to be only one who are claiming to sell them. Guns are Banned in the UK period (with the exception of criminals).

As for axes and chainsaws, Unless one is cutting down trees to prevent the muslims from marching in the shade and then putting them down for good, then also no ;-).

Not sure if this is legal in Britian, but might be handy
of course hitting someone with a 105 dollar flashlight
is painful in itself.

[Link: www.surefire.com...]

Actually, the Hong Kong Savings Bank can hardly be called "British" anymore.

I got my two Robusta at a WalMart for 5 dollars each, because the sun had bleached the barcode label on the little pots there were in and the manager asked if I thought $5 was fair.

They both are growing more wide than tall, with boatloads of fronds, but in about three years the trunks have only made it to about two or three feet.

I'm not sure I can spot Filifera versus Robusta, but there are some skinny palms near here that are at least 40 feet tall, not in wealthy neighborhoods, so I suspect they had been growing a while, meaning they probably lived through the 1989 cold snap.

Now, I love the look of the Canary Island Date Palm, and I didn't know it was that cold tolerant. I doubt I have the budget for that, unless I buy a wee plant.

I was in Orlando around Christmas 1983, and there was a very hard cold snap, I think temperatures dropped into the upper teens briefly. I wasn't as big a palm lover as I am now, but I noticed some trees that appeared to die, with the fronds dying and drooping, and come Spring some of those trees made what appeared to be miraculous recoveries.

163) piglet

It would be Illegal because it's lights can blind people and the fact that it can kill people as a last ditch weapon. :-(

I noticed in Austin that there was some kind of palm that was starting to grow in some of the creek beds, I assume from seeds deposited during flooding events. Not sure the species.

#167 Ed

I noticed in Austin that there was some kind of palm that was starting to grow in some of the creek beds, I assume from seeds deposited during flooding events. Not sure the species

Well, dang, Ed. You need to go dig 'em up and plant them in your yard so's they won't freeze. It would be the humanitarian thing to do.

Palm trees ain't got no root systems to speak of, and hornets like to build shelters under their fronds. Wouldn't have one around my house, but that's just me, the person with freakin' giant leaning pecan trees over the house.

U.S. Islamic Charity a "Money-Laundering Clearinghouse"
Former FBI terrorism expert Matthew Levitt, director of terrorism studies at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, told a federal jury Monday that the Quranic Literacy Institute of Oak Lawn, IL, served as "a money-laundering clearinghouse" for the Palestinian militant group Hamas. The testimony came in a lawsuit filed by Joyce and Stanley Boim, the parents of an American teenager shot to death by two Hamas militants in Israel eight years ago, who say the institute, two Islamic charities, and an alleged Hamas fundraiser, Mohammed Salah, bankrolled the purchase of weapons by Hamas and thus are responsible for the death of their son David. Levitt used canceled checks to show that Salah received payments averaging $3,000 a month in the early 1990s from a Saudi whose name appears on federal government terrorism lists. (AP/Fresno Bee)

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