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Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 5:14:17 pm PST

Did you know ze French, zey are a separate race?

That’s right, French bashing is now deemed racism, and Carl’s Junior is under the legal gun for their racist chicken sandwich commercial: Carl’s Junior Class Action - Submit your complaint. (Hat tip: Hulugu.)

As a result of a recent series of racist television commercials by Carl’s Junior, the French/American community, with the support of the French Consulate, is in the process of organizing a class action lawsuit.

The French/American community is deeply saddened and dismayed by the fact that a United States corporation has chosen to denigrate, humiliate, insult and injure the reputation of French/Americans in order to sell it’s product, which is essentially, a sandwich.

The French “bashing” (in the commercials, a voiceover refers to the French as chickens and cowards) is based on historical events and unfairly depicts people of French origin in a truly unsavory manner. The actions of Carl’s Junior in these commercials are blatantly racist and a violation of the intent of the United States Constitution’s First Amendment regarding the use of Free Speech.

More Gallic pique on display here: Stop France Bashing.

Here’s the racist ad that has them so upset:

* At the Waterloo, the French surrendered.
* In the Franco-Prussian War, the French surrendered.
* In World War 2, well, the French surrendered.
* Don’t be a big chicken. Eat one.

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1 FunkMachine  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:17:36pm

Boohoo.
Those poor cowardly frogs.

2 [Engineer]  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:19:07pm

Go to Google and type in:

French military victories

Click I'm Feeling Lucky

3 Split Level Head  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:19:12pm

Now I am really glad that I ate at Carls Jr, Today

4 jrdroll  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:19:48pm

Has the use of "racism" jumped the shark?

5 reaganite  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:20:17pm

#2 [Engineer]

Click I'm Feeling Lucky

Then click the link, it get's even funnier.

6 CrowScape  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:20:31pm

The actions of Carl’s Junior in these commercials are blatantly racist and a violation of the intent of the United States Constitution’s First Amendment regarding the use of Free Speech.

And here all I thought the First Amendment did regarding freedom of speech was to prevent Congress from passing laws that abridge it. Learn something new every day. BTW; do they have an Article/Section/Clause reference to back up this claim, or are they just hoping for another Gitlow type crappy ruling?

7 Maine's Michael  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:21:13pm

In point of fact, it was only AFTER Waterloo that the French reputation for cowardice was justly earned. The French were brave at Waterloo, as much as it pains me to aknowledge the fact.

Napolean succeeded in killing off the entire french gene pool of those over 5'10". It looks like bravery somehow coded along with height, among the french, anyway.

French remained shorter than other europeans to this day.

Anyhow, enough pedantry.

I'll have to try out that chicken sandwich.

8 Bleeding heart conservative  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:21:23pm

#2 I laughed so hard my wife ran in to see if I was having a fit.

THANKS!

9 bigwilly  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:21:44pm

Friggin' French.

I work with a woman who was raised in France; she's about 16 years younger than me. A few months ago, it was her birthday, and I commented that, when I graduated high school, she was just in Nursery School (or whatever the French equivalent is). I said, "Oh, so when I graduated High School, you were just learning to say "I surrender."

Needless to say, it didn't go over well. But, damn, it felt good to say it!

Cowardly bastards.

10 gregopad39  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:21:49pm

Disneyland in France has a problem - in that every night they have the traditional Disney fireworks display. It is this event which causes problems because :

At the end of the fireworks display.

1. Half the country of France surrenders.
2. The other half become collaborators.

11 bj  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:22:23pm
Don’t be a big chicken. Eat one.

I really, really would prefer NOT to eat a Frenchman, surrendering or otherwise, if you don't mind.

Can I have mayo with my chicken, please?

12 Obi-Wan  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:23:46pm

"You can't HANDLE the truth!"

Whoops! I'm repeating myself.

13 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:24:32pm
The actions of Carl’s Junior in these commercials are blatantly racist and a violation of the intent of the United States Constitution’s First Amendment regarding the use of Free Speech.

Let me see:

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peacefully to assemble, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances."


Froggy wankers!

14 theparson  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:24:54pm

I really hate the Fwench, I really do!

15 theparson  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:25:33pm

Oh, and Viva la Carls Junior

16 foreign devil  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:26:46pm

Hey! If it walks like a Frenchie, talks like a Frenchie and tastes like a chicken--well...it's...mon Dieu! ...Le Chicken! Les Squawwwk!

17 Bleeding heart conservative  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:26:59pm

And as tired as the line is, it bears repeating: "Going to war without the French is like going fishing without an accordion."

18 mika.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:28:17pm

Just remember, even when not in Paris, you should apply appropriate treatment for relief of Paris-ites.

19 Bleeding heart conservative  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:28:22pm

Q: How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
A: Don't know, it hasn't been tried.

20 stuck in california  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:28:43pm

I am of French dessent, but I do bathe, shave, use deodorant (Everyday) and it is very hard to offend me!


I voted for Bush! I at least won ONE!

Heh...

21 theparson  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:28:44pm

"... going hunting without a vacuum cleaner"

22 Cybrludite  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:29:46pm

I wonder what they'd think of one of my bumper stickers... "My Honor Student Beat Up France!"

23 EE  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:30:34pm

Why are they lying by saying that this has something to do with Americans of French origin? Are they saying that being French is a racial characteristic? It has nothing to do with genetics. It has everything to do with behavior.

When people come to America and get involved in the American spirit and American values, they are Americans.

European behavior is abysmal. And it deserves to be criticised. I feel free to criticise that behavior, even though my ancestors lived in Europe. It's not a genetic thing. They need to recognize that European culture and values have something very rotten, and that European behavior, including the rise of Nazism, Fascism, Communism, and now Palestinianism, has some very serious flaws.

It's not inborn; it's environmental. And there is nothing racist about criticising a deficient environment that produces bad behavior.

24 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:31:35pm

If there were Carl's Junior restaurants in Florida, I'd be a patron.

[Link: www.carlsjr.com...]

25 oldom  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:32:17pm

these lawyers would have more credibility if they learned the proper use of "its" instead of "it's." idiots...

26 zulubaby  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:32:52pm

The French aren't happy with the Israelis either, accusing them of having an "anti-French neurosis."

He may be onto something ...

Araud criticized the media, and made special mention of a column Yair Lapid wrote in Maariv after Yasser Arafat's death in France. Lapid wrote, according to Araud, "this is proof that the French are sh**s."

"Saying the French are sh**s is totally unacceptable," said Araud.

Ja, sorta like the French calling Israel "that shitty little country". Same vibe.

27 Moonbat_One  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:33:06pm

This is complete hypocrisy. Do you know what the French national mascot is? It's symbol of masculine virility?

A coq, or rooster.

In other words, a chicken.

France's national symbol

28 Mcgyver  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:34:19pm

France is a race? I guess that makes sense...

Nope. No it don't.

Mcgyver, out

29 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:35:17pm

This really should have been posted last night.
It could have been the SNDT to beat all others.

On second thought, we would have spent most of today hung over and cleaning up Charles place if it was.

30 Spiny Norman  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:35:36pm

I suppose Matt Groening is in Big Trouble.

31 stuck in california  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:35:53pm

As a Frech Dessendant, I love Capon! (Ball-less rooster)

32 Fay  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:36:50pm

#2 [Engineer] and 35 reaganite:

That's the most hilarious thing I've seen for ages. Thank you. Here's my favourite:

The Napoleonic Wars
Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.
33 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:37:00pm

The French claim to be a race is just more self agrandizement.

34 stuck in california  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:37:01pm

I can't spell worth a shi*

35 foreign devil  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:37:09pm

#17

"...it bears repeating..." LOL!

36 mommydoc  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:37:13pm

It's not libel when it's true.

These asshats have an uphill climb if they're going to go after everyone who makes fun of French "military" (and I use the term loosely here) history.

Wankers.

37 hepcat  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:37:49pm

There's more commentary HERE along with some pretty funny graphics.

38 Fay  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:38:26pm

Oops, I meant #5 reaganite not 35.

39 Rust Never Sleeps  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:38:31pm

Charles, you forgot to quote the most interesting (and revealing) part

FRENCH BASHING
No other national or ethnic group appears to get the same continually negative treatment in print media reserved for France and the French, with the possible exception of Arabs or Palestinians, and even there, the treatment is not so much cultural as political, linked to a specific context or event. If one were to substitute, for example, "Mexican" or "Japanese" or "Indian" for "French", what would reader reaction be?".
- Edward C.Knox, The New York Times Looks at France, The French Review, N°6, Vol.75, May 2002
40 dustyroadguy  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:38:43pm
The French “bashing” (in the commercials, a voiceover refers to the French as chickens and cowards) is based on historical events and unfairly depicts people of French origin in a truly unsavory manner. The actions of Carl’s Junior in these commercials are blatantly racist.

so NOW there is a FRENCH gene? So that means if their lawsuit wins they would be genetically defined as cowards?

41 Fay  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:39:44pm

mommydoc Hi!

Did you get your results?

42 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:40:15pm
43 reaganite  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:40:37pm

OT
Anyone watching Mythbusters?

Hilarious!

44 Metatron  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:41:23pm

Time to get out the dictionary again. I just looked up "paedophile" for a previous thread, now I need to look up "racist".

...oh never mind, I think I remember the definition:

racist: an evil imperialist American-type person.

Something like that.

45 Spiny Norman  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:41:23pm

reaganite,

Which myth is it?

46 stuck in california  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:41:31pm

Leave my genes out of it!

47 Sawadee63  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:41:33pm

What's more rediculous than 3 Frenchmen trying to build a house in the middle of a river? Four French engineers laying the foundation.

48 Joseph  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:41:52pm

Check out their mailbag link. I just looked at approx. 15 letters and can't recall one that didn't sound like it was penned by an LGFer. Here's an example:

It should not have surprised me to have found this website. The major problem with the French is "projection." You are the single most chauvinistic and arrogant people in the world, and you project that unto America. You are dellusional about your position in the world, and are spiteful that ours has surpassed yours exponentially. You probably assume right away that I am some fat-assed American just sitting here in ignorance. Let me correct you. I am fit, I am pretty (ha, ha), I speak French fluently, I am--or was--a francophile, a recipient of a Franco-American Heritage Award in 1991, and I am all too aware of the behavior of vacationing Americans that causes annoyance amongst the French. However, I am also aware of the treason and arrogance that has earned the French distaste not only in America, but also in neighboring European nations. Your arrogance and cultural chauvinism extends beyond the transatlantic relationship.Your leaders have their hands in the bankrolls of Iraq. Chirac cannot afford to lead the 30th--or worse--economy of the world out of its bed partner's favor. Do not be fooled by the words of your leaders. They are no more valid than those of the U.N. Pygmies that dictate at home while set to deal with dictators of other nations. The U.N. is a bunch of dictator thugs. And France is fast plunging into their third world. And by no means will the United States after Bush be in any position to consider itself more worldly or cosmopolitan by allowing itself to be dictated to by dictators and thugs at the UN--all of whom should move to France. The world will never be entirely happy with the United States until we have bled our last drop into every foreign economy for its abuse and corruption. And let us not forget Charles parading through the streets after we liberated France in WWII. If getting along with the world means getting along with France, it is wiser to be sure first not that the world favors us but rather that it fears us. The idea of a world community is an oxymoron, while the average Frenchman is simply a moron.There will be no more Hermes, Cartier, or Vin Francais in my house. In the last wek alone, I have discovered wonderful alternatives to my French stapples. Hopefully, in time, my actions and those of others will effect your pocket directly, Mac. Then again, in your socialist dirty filthy country of unwashed arrogant pigs, you will perhaps just get a little more help from France's oil soaked bank rolls. Watch closely as your Iraqi friends abuse all points of decency in the face of cameras, and while we of American blood exercise a moral clarity that the treacherous and arrogant French have never displayed in their history of betrayal, deceit, and American skirt-hanging. Hide behind us no more, for to help you ever would cause outrage amongst us. It is only a matter of time before your sand monkey neighbors try agian to ram into the Eiffel Tower--or are you hoping they will skip you and hit Berlin instead because you have kissed their asses. Of course, that is the French way. Shave thy head and recall the bitches who slept with the soldiers of Hitler while you take your semi-weekly bathing.Brian in Boston

49 reaganite  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:42:04pm

#38 Fay

Oops, I meant #5 reaganite not 35.

No worries. I love the link, I show it to people all the time.

50 Jim C.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:42:16pm

Yeah, if there were a Carl's in Chicago I'd eat there too.

bigwilly: LOL!

51 Yossarian  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:43:22pm

From Guysen Israel News (I get it in an email, so no link, sorry):

Several tens of people met tonight in Paris in front of the Superior Council of the Audio and visual in order to protest against its decision to ''engage in sanction procedures'' against Al Manar, the Shiite Lebanese Hezbollah channel. (Guysen.Israel.News)

Among the demonstrators were DIeudonne and sportsman Djamel Bouras.

...

The Arab people are a bit like the Amerindians: they will fight till the end. My wish is that the Arabs get in possession of the atomic bomb as fast as possible. This is the only way to establish a real democracy'' declared Dieudonne; to ''24 hours''. (Guysen.Israel.News)

"Nowadays, it is the Zionists who are holding the reigns. I am anti-Zionist (not anti-Semite of course), because I refuse their imperial and racist program. One can not be Zionist and tend to the left. In France, the Zionists' domination is objective. Militias trained in Israel, supported by the Mossad, injured in Lyon a 13 year old girl during my show".

52 reaganite  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:43:57pm

#45 Spiny Norman

Which myth is it?

Circus balloons lifting a child. The best part was after they busted the myth!

53 RebTex  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:44:31pm

I've never seen a Carl's Junior.
However, in my future trips, I'm going to look for one!
And bet your boots...I'm pullin' in for a bite!
What a GREAT idea for a commercial!
And the french want you to overlook their history?!
Even better!
Boy! I'm hungry!

54 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:45:07pm

There once was a KFC with the following message on its readerboard:

Hillary Special: 2 large thighs, 2 small breasts, and 2 left wings.

And the amphibians are getting theur panties in a wad about this?

55 zulubaby  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:45:14pm
56 theparson  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:45:21pm

Wow! I was able to find the attorney's these guys are using. Pretty high powered team.

57 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:45:39pm

#51 Yossarian

Several tens of people met tonight

That has to be one of the most anticlimactic descriptions of a crowd I've read in a while.

"As many as six people assembled..."

58 Spiny Norman  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:45:40pm

Oh crap, it's one I haven't seen!


And already late for my own birthday party... catch y'all later!

59 Spiny Norman  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:46:37pm

#58 was for #52... you people are posting too fast.

60 reaganite  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:47:19pm

#58 Spiny Norman
Happy Birthday!

61 whiterabbit  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:50:17pm

The french just created their own version of our color coded terror alert system but it is slighly different ;
1)Run
2)Hide
3)Surrender
4)Collaborate

62 youcancallmemeyer  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:50:26pm

Carl's Junior forgot Algeria and Indochina. Would have been quicker to list French victoties I think.

And the French are not a race last time I checked.

denigrate, humiliate, insult and injure the reputation of French/Americans

It's called free speech. It's also called the truth.

63 Elcid  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:53:01pm

Now hold on a second, the fwench destroyed an unarmed Greenpeace ship a few years ago...and hey, what about the unarmed Ivorian's they just slaughtered, aren't those victories?

/

64 Photios  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:53:04pm

reaganite #5

LOL

That was damn funny, thanks.

+Photi

65 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:53:44pm
66 Obi-Wan  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:54:24pm

If you can't find a Carl's Jr., go to Hardee's. Same company.

67 munchkin  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:54:57pm

aha, Iron Fist! Gotcha! *HUG*
:)

68 reaganite  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:55:41pm

#64 Photios

That was damn funny, thanks.

When I was at CENTAF HQ a couple of years ago I was sent that "I'm feeling Lucky" thing, out of curiosity I clicked the link. Been telling everyone since!

69 Marine Momma  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:55:41pm

maybe the french need meds in their water to calm down.

70 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:56:11pm
71 ThomasAgee  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:56:35pm

Thanx guys, always good to start off the week a good laugh.
Following #5 advice it was a long hilarious list of ignoble defeats.

72 jclenman  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:57:58pm

#2

Engineer, I know I'm late to the thread, but I nearly pissed my pants! Thanks buddy!

73 dustyroadguy  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:59:01pm

61

The french just created their own version of our color coded terror alert system but it is slighly different ;
1)Run
2)Hide
3)Surrender
4)Collaborate

They just have one color and no numbers: YELLOW

74 munchkin  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:59:47pm

Iron Fist, how have you been?
I missed ya. Email me, wouldja? I'm too lazy to go on AIM right now, studying for an exam, while reading LGF :P not the most productive combination.

75 Joseph  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 3:59:53pm

Here, they try to blame Israel (of couse) for their recent troubles in Ivory Coast:

This week's Canard has a short item about the close relationship between Ivory Coast's leader Laurent Gbagbo and their religious guru Moïse Koré and the state of Israël. Gbagbo and his wife Simone are devout members of the American Protestant Church, the Four Square Gospel, and believe strongly that the jewish people will convert to christianity at the second coming of Christ.

Blame the Jooos

76 mommydoc  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:00:25pm

Hi, Fay! Yes, I am officially board-certified now. What a relief. And thanks for asking.

Spiny Norman: Happy Birthday!

Iron Fist: Back at you, man! You give good hug!

77 mookie wilson  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:00:28pm

Check out this group's website. On the left is a link entitled "Comedy Writers." If you click on it you will find lots of funny anti-French jokes.

78 munchkin  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:00:42pm

Btw, the thing about "how many frenchmen does it take to defend paris" made me laugh so hard... :)
And I spent a long time in French immersion, so I actually speak the language.

79 EE  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:00:58pm

"denigrate, humiliate, insult and injure the reputation of French/Americans"

No, not "French/Americans", who are, after all, Americans.
This is about the French, not French/Americans. There is a big difference. It's an environmental thing, not a genetic thing.

There isn't any French gene.

80 Bobwolf  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:01:38pm

#48 Joseph
Good piece.
The link to the anti-bashing site at the beginning of this thread conveniently lists several email addresses of Carl's Jr. and their ad agency.
I don't think it's what the french had in mind, but I used the opportunity to congratulate Carl's Jr. on their ad campaign.

81 Joseph  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:01:39pm

Oooops, meant to quote this parag instead:

This close tie to their religious leader might explain for example why Israeli agents were spotted in Anti-French demonstrations in Abidjan and why Israeli Drones were spotted in the skies before military attacks against Northern Rebel forces. The Gbagbo's guru, Moïse, often travels to the United-States and Israël and has provided them an opportunity to initiate a new cooperation that has the raised the ire of the French Government who's troops are trying to maintain peace between Rebel Forces and the Gbagbo Government.
82 LotharBot  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:06:21pm

"I'm not French, but I'm a coward and a golddigger, which is almost the same thing. Can I get in on this lawsuit?"

83 mikeymike  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:06:36pm

Carls Jr should declare war on France.

84 pat  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:06:40pm

My son tried to enter Tahiti and was strip searched and turnarround around at the airport by the muslim loving assholes. Although I have frog ancestry, my ancestors moved to America to get away from these arrogant incompetent pricks. Napoleaon may have dwarfed them at Waterloss, but they were mentally stunted by the Dr. Guillotene who managed to debrain the rest. Carl, by the way is a francofied German name. But like me , he ain't gor no love for the old homestead. Carl give me a bacon, avocado with onion rings.

85 Elcid  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:06:59pm

37 hepcat

Ummm, scroll halfway down the first page of your link. Check the thumbnail pic of yankabroad. I joined the damn thing just because of her, not to chat, just to look.

yankabroad, is d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y a player, geezuz, is she ever.

86 mongoose  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:07:38pm

heh, no mention of Lance's 6 consecutive victories in their premier race...they can't even win at bicycling...no wonder they feel just a bit inferior

87 rtheyserius  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:07:42pm
discriminatory commercials

Discrimination is an essential skill, as Buddha noted.

Discriminating between snail eating, collaborating French jingoists and everyone else is a skill, not a problem.

I've never eaten at Carl's Jr. But I intend to try it now!

88 Fay  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:09:04pm

mommydoc, that's great, I'm so happy for you. Congratulations and hugs!

89 chevalier de st george  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:09:21pm

Well after all these years i for one am still seething at the discusting France 2 AL DURA fabrications.
this is without doubt one of worst cases of media manipulation, the world has witnessed and Enderlin is still carrying on as if nothing has happened, and indeed it is one thousand times worst than the DAN RATHER scandal about which there has at least been a tiny bit of umming and aahing at CBS.
By Stephane Juffa

...On the Palestinian Authority's TV channel, as well as in Palestinian school books, his example is used to encourage other children to emulate his spirit of sacrifice. Even in the West, the pictures that won so many journalism prizes have become the most recognizable symbol of Israeli aggression. When Ehud Barak, then Israel's prime minister, visited Paris in the same year, French President Jacques Chirac wryly scolded him. "Killing children is no policy." ( yes the french know all about killing children, At Issieux and througout france during WW2)
READ IT ALL - The media scandal of the last decade.

[Link: www.primo-europe.org...]

90 father_of_10  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:09:32pm

I am of French descent and have a very French last name. Dammit. BUT . . . We got a Carl's Jr. right here in town! Lunch EVERY day at Carl's Jr.!

I might start a new organization: Frenchies for America and Carl's!

91 Smartalice  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:09:33pm

I had a french tour guide this April tell me and my students that she had no idea World War II involved any other countries besides France and Germany until she came to the states to attend college. She said her high school textbooks dealt only with the war as it pertained to France and Germany!

I told her it must have been a short book. Heh.

Actually she was wonderful and preferred living in america...she even loved our food. And she did take us to Omaha beach and she cried as we stood in the cemetary over looking the beach. She wasn't the only one.

92 garnier  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:09:36pm

Just for fun:

The French "race" in their historical imagination (which conforms somewhat with the facts) is made up of Gauls and Franks, with some Roman senatorial blood among the noble Franks.

The celtic Gauls were the "barbarians" of Caesar's Gallic Wars for those of you who remember your Latin classes. They were defeated by the Romans, before they were conquered by the germanic Franks.

The Gauls are the shorter swarthier, smelly, rude and stereotypically contrarian leftist working class ones.

The Franks are the taller, lighter, cleaner, nicer, stereotypically traditional right wing ones living in their ancestral chateau surrounded by vineyards in Anjou.

How's that for racist?

These latter germanic Franks created the glories of the ancien regime which made France the dominant military and political power of Europe for a long while (with intermitent challenges by others).

The Gauls fomented the French Revolution that toppled a Frankish noble class already emasculated by the steady concentration of royal power at their expense and the subsequent loss of their traditional military function.

Of course there's no racial difference between the Germans, French, English, Scottish, or Irish who are descended from the tribes of Sicambrian or Riparian Franks.

By the way I love the commercial!

93 Frank IBC  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:11:39pm

Gallic pique

...Pico de Gallo...

Very punny, Charles. :)

Carls Jr. should up the ante and list all the other debacles in which France has been involved.

94 garnier  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:12:20pm

#93 oh, and by the way, the chicken is the symbol of Gallic Republican (revolutionary) France (eeewww!).

The golden fleur-de-lys on a field of azure is the symbol of the Frankish Kingdom of France (the REAL France, vive le roi!)

95 Cog  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:12:56pm

I am now going to frequent Carls Jr regularly as a result of this commercial.

96 eXcel  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:13:40pm

#95
My thoughts exactly =)

97 Glen Wishard  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:13:55pm

I'm feeling kind of litiginous myself:

Defendant (who are you accusing?): Lawyers and Settlements

Date of injustice: Your birthday, for starters

Title: Premeditated Idiocy in the First Degree, and existing with the intent of annoying me further in the future

Details of complaint: Your incredibly stupid (even for a tort lawyer) lawsuit against the restaurant Carl's Junior;
Your characterizion of the French as a separate race - an insult every actual race on the planet;
Your inability to understand the First Amendment;
Practicing law without a brain and probably without a real license;
Taking up space at your law school that could have been occupied by an economically disadvantaged person;
Collaborating with unshaven garlic-stinking bastards from the French consulate, with the obvious intent of undermining National Security and violating Public Health regulations;
Being a bunch of dope-smoking, protein-starved vegan half-wits who couldn't chase a parked ambulance.

98 dustyroadguy  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:15:33pm

by Ann coulter
American women to Kerry: We don't think you're so hot

Kerry's sister cited her brother's cultured refinement in a 1994 profile of Kerry in the Rhode Islander Magazine by saying: "Our parents felt deeply that we needed to absorb the culture and know the Europeans as friends." In his 1996 Senate campaign, reporters were dazzled and awed when Kerry responded to a Canadian reporter in French, snootily noting that Kerry's French was much better than his opponent's.

In a profile of Kerry's current heiress wife, Teresa Heinz, in the upcoming issue of Elle magazine, noted journalist Lisa DePaulo quotes Kerry oozing with admiration for his wife, saying she is "very earthy, sexy, European." "Earthy" and "European" appear to be euphemisms for hairy armpits and body odor. But we get it. American girls aren't good enough for Frenchy. We don't think he's so hot either.

maybe being french and a coward IS GENETIC...

99 LouMinatti  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:16:04pm

The French military has one esteemed unit of brave soldiers and they deserve our respect and admiration. This unit is called the French Foreign Legion. They consist of men who are not French.

If there was a Carl’s Junior in Houston I'd go there every day for a week to show my support. And since when are the French a "race"?

100 Whole Wheat Bagel  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:17:46pm

Frog joke:

Why do the British always look so sad?

Because the light at the end of the tunnel is France.

101 Paul  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:17:59pm

The French aren't a separate race actually they are a separate species.

102 Bleeding heart conservative  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:18:00pm

Animaniacs:
You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man, you're a Chicken boo...

103 christheprofessor  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:19:10pm

If Carl's is the same as Hardee's, try one of their Thick Burgers (I saw one of the ads from a link above had a "six-dollar burger" like Hardee's) -- you won't eat a Bic Mac or Whopper again any time soon.

104 rtheyserius  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:20:28pm

#2 [Engineer]

HILARIOUS! :-)

105 dustyroadguy  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:20:46pm

99 LouMinatti

This unit is called the French Foreign Legion. They consist of men who are not French.

that is true and perhaps why they deserve respect...

106 Photios  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:22:01pm

mommydoc #76

Congratulations. It's good to see you again.

+Photi

107 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:22:28pm
108 LouMinatti  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:22:29pm

[Link: www.miquelon.org...]

"Speaking of which, I noticed the French Embassy website is in French. If it wasn't for America, it would be in GERMAN. This would probably be an improvement as at least the Germans bathe with some degree of regularity, are clean and industrious."

ROFL!

109 levi from queens  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:23:04pm

If u look at the map of red and blue counties. the blue counties are urban counties with the exception of a handful of blue counties along the border with Quebec. Did you ever wonder how rural states like NH, VT, and ME could have voted for JFK? It was the french-americans who had not yet eaten at Carl Jrs.

This does not quite explain a handful of blue counties on the edge of gitchie-gumee unless les Quebecois moved west.

110 mattvatl  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:23:16pm

Since when is bad taste and a lack of a sense of humor a crime?

111 Obi-Wan  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:23:48pm

#103 christheprofessor

Hardee's is owned by Carl Karcher. They are the same company. And that thickburger is to die for!

112 Paul  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:23:57pm

Carl's Junior goes ethnic with its new Pastrami Burger. [Link: www.carlsjr.com...]

113 packsoldier  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:24:02pm

Normally I don't eat at Carl's Jr, but I feel a hankering for a Star burger all of a sudden...

114 garnier  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:25:11pm

Also for you English frog haters:

The French conquered and ruled England from 1066 until the crown was usurped by Henry Tudor in 1485. Not a bad run. The language of the English ruling classes was, of course, French.

115 rtheyserius  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:26:35pm

The French are responsible for three things I admire:

1. Claude Monet

2. The bidet

3. Descartes

Aside from that, they can kiss my ass.

116 RebTex  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:27:29pm

#114 Garnier
Back that far, huh?

117 rtheyserius  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:27:33pm

I fairt in their general direction!

118 christheprofessor  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:28:19pm

#111 Obe-wan

Thanks for the info... And I agree, the thick burgers kick ass!

119 Patterico  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:28:45pm

Liberal Michael Totten says: let's reconcile with the French.

Is this the guy you want to be beating me in the 2004 Weblog Awards?

If you'd rather see a true conservative win, please vote for me here. I endorsed LGF today, and LGF commenters have helped me out a lot. Only about a dozen votes separate me and the French-lover Totten.

Show the power of LGF! Don't let Francophiles carry the day! Please vote for me now!

120 dustyroadguy  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:29:05pm

115

Aside from that, they can kiss my ass.

an apparent regular frwench activity hence the invention of your item (2

121 Patterico  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:29:40pm

Totten probably hates thick burgers too. Me, I love 'em.

122 former demo  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:32:11pm

#119

Patterico, I voted for you today. I'm in direct marketing and you have a very compelling CTA, as we call it (call to action).

You could write copy for me:)

123 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:32:16pm

Is Carl's Junior related to Hardees restaurants? I've noticed what appears to be the "happy, fun star" or whatever it is called, that I remember from my long ago days as a California resident (though, thankfully, never a citizen) in the Hardees advertisements I occasionally see.

124 garnier  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:32:18pm

Henry II, perhaps England's greatest King, was French.

Before inheriting England from his mother he was the French Duke of Normandy and Aquitaine, and the Count of Anjou, Maine, and Touraine.

Many of England's greatest warriors like Richard the Lion-Hearted and Henry V were French.

125 ddd  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:33:22pm

Being French is a state of mind
A cowardly state of mind!

126 reaganite  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:33:26pm

#124 garnier
From your profile,

garnier began his life as a coelacanth in the darkness of the Marianus Trench.

Umm, would that be garnier began his life as a coelacanth in the darkness of the Marianas trench Regardless that the coelacanth was found off the coast of Madagascar? Since you didn't have a point, I figured I wouldn't either...

127 SoCalJustice  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:33:35pm

(#119) Patterico

Playing the French card?

That's low.

128 levi from queens  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:33:44pm

I just checked out the Carl Jrs. website, and if NYC LGFers wish to eat there it is both a subway and a busride. Take the A,C, or E to Port Authority at 42nd St. and then get a Greyhound to eastern Oklahoma.

129 PSGInfinity  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:33:44pm

Off-Topic:

pookleblinky & zulubaby, my reply to your FBI raid retort can be found here.

130 [Engineer]  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:33:54pm

You may not know that we fought the French in WWII. It has been, not covered up so much as just not discussed.

After Germany defeated France, their armed forces fought under German command in North Africa.

On November 8, 1942 operation Torch was launched with U.S. and British forces under command of General Dwight D. Eisenhower. The invasion was made up of three separate task forces. The first, made up mostly of British troops, took Algeriers with little difficulty. The second and the third ran into difficulty when they encountered French resistance, but by November 10 and 11 the two forces had taken Oran and Morroco. When the French were defeated in North Africa Germany quickly took advantage of the situation and occupied the rest of France.


Link

131 christheprofessor  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:34:12pm

#123 see #111

132 eddiebear  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:34:21pm

The French will probably lose this battle as well

133 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:38:37pm

#129 PSG

All your posts look alike to me. Whereas I spice things up with proud porcupines pruriently proding pregnant Palestinian prudes.

How did you associate me with Zulubaby? Didn't you know use lizard-cadets must not be spoken of in the same sentence with the Elders?

Charles will release his wraith upon me for having done just that!

134 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:40:15pm

#133 PIMF!

us

135 zulubaby  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:40:31pm

pookleblinky, you don't want to be associated with me? LOL!

136 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:41:12pm
137 Mojo Jojo  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:41:13pm

Hardee's is great. That's one of the best things about driving down to Florida.

138 zulubaby  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:41:56pm

Powerline 25.3%

LGF 23.9%

Has everyone voted?

139 prospero  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:42:31pm

#124 garnier

The conquering French you mention were Norman, and inherited their conquering genes from the Scandinavians that conquered them. Being braver, taller, and blonder perhaps made them easier to shoot after the invention of gunpowder, and things have gone downhill ever since.

140 samkit  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:42:52pm

What is the difference between a road accident involving a hedgehog and a Frenchman?

There are skidmarks before the hedgehog.

141 channeling the shah  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:43:38pm

awesome -- this assinine lawsuit will be tossed, carl jr.'s will get tons of humorous p.r. and the french losing streak will remain in tact! ("waterloo, ww2 and the 12th circuit court.")

considering "our friends" le french routinely depict our commander-in-chief as hitler incarnate, feasting on babies when he's not invading countries, i'm reminded of certain line from the drill instructor in bill murray's "stripes:"

"Lighten up, Francis."

"Lighten up, Francis."

142 Smartalice  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:44:23pm

124#

Henry II would also lose the battle over clerical courts to the cockney Becket. Henry's son, John, would lose almost all the Plantagnet French possessions due to arrogance and stupidity and was forced to sign Magna Carta by the English nobles.
Not a good ending for the "Greatest" king in England so my vote goes to HenryVIII.

143 Patterico  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:44:53pm

Totten is making a big move. It will take a lot of action from Lizardoids to counteract it.

144 rsquare  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:45:17pm

the Eskimo have 100 words for ice&snow...
The Hawaiians have 100 words for water&waves...

surely the french have 100 words for surrender&capitulation

145 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:46:16pm

#2
I tried your tip, and I spit all over my monitor! That was wonderful! hahahaha!

146 Patterico  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:47:50pm

SoCalJustice:

The French card *and* the burger card. Cards that motivate good patriotic Americans, my friend.

147 Sergio  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:49:39pm

The best thing to come out of France the last couple of years is the Dissident Frogman. I had not visited over there in weeks but was just over there now and his "Kerry? Kerry? (Mah Na Mah Na)" is another in a long line of must-see clips.

[Link: www.thedissidentfrogman.com...]

148 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:49:52pm

#5
Yes, that was even better! Glad my French ancestor jumped on the Mayflower, he knew enough to get the heck out!

149 christheprofessor  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:51:11pm

#144 rsquare

Actually, there is only one French word for surrender&capitulation -- but it can be nuanced 100 different ways (btw, it takes centuries of defeats to be able to speak of S&C with so many different subtle variations).

150 Frank IBC  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:52:02pm

#123 Ed Moran -

Yes, Carls' Jr. bought Hardee's in 1997.

151 levi from queens  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:52:39pm
152 dustyroadguy  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:52:43pm

144

surely the french have 100 words for surrender

actually the word resign is french for surrender

153 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:53:45pm

Well, it's true. They surrender. They've relied on defense weapons, failed to take the offensive, repeatedly lost discipline in the ranks under fire. It's all true, unfortunately. Too bad for you, Froggies, but that's your history. If you want to be looked upon as brave, you have to walk the walk once in a while.

There have been brave Frenchmen, such as Paul Reynaud, certainly Charles deGaulle (he was the only French commanding officer to force the Germans to retreat during the German invasion of France in WWII), and, of course, the brave individuals who fought in the resistance in WWII. And they DID help us in the Revolution, but that was a looong time ago.

154 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:53:53pm

Nevermind, I see the Hardee's/Carls Jr. relationship has been explored.

155 wilmington747  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:54:07pm

Think I'll take an extra Lipitur and get a Thickburger for lunch tomorrow

156 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:55:23pm

so I guess New Yorkers ought to be suing IBM for their latest ads depicting a French woman as being super smart and super cunning getting a whole new network of light sprite network laptops for corporate hq in Paris.
When her two male American counterparts ask her how she got rid of the old equipment, the mademoiselle replies "we dumped them on the New York office and where are you gentlemen from?"

"uh uh the New YYY...uh Jersey office"
and the French girl gives a mona lisa like "you putzes" smile

LAWSUIT...calling Johnnie " if the glove fits vote to acquit" Cochran

157 rtheyserius  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:56:25pm
#120 dustyroadguy -- "Aside from that, they can kiss my ass." -- an apparent regular french activity hence the invention of your item (2 (in #115)

Quite so. However, the French should understand that I do not own a bidet. ...Hence the challenge.

#136 Iron Fist -- Man, you left off the guillotine! The only really significant invention to come out of Frogistan, well, ever!

This is also true. However, it was only ever truly valuable in France… which makes it a typical French invention.

158 ErnieG  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:56:54pm

I can only imagine the argument in court to support the "racism" charge:

"Your honor, the defense has alleged that the French are not a race, a necessary element to the present charge of racism. I submit that the racial identity of the French is well known, so much so, that it is embodied in the following poem, which can be quoted by any schoolboy:
The French they are a funny race,
They fight with their feet and f*** with their face.

Since a poem does not constitute proof, I now submit Plaintiff's Exhibit 1, Pierre, a Frenchman, who will now demonstrate the concepts of the cited poem."

Yes, I know that this is stupid, but no more stupid than the original lawsuit.

159 Exdamyankee  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:57:06pm

Hey, take a minute to visit the corporate website for Carl's Jr: www.ckr.com Leave them some feedback in the comments section :-)

160 wilmington747  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 4:58:55pm

The French/American community, with the support of the French Consulate will probably exert more of its national will fighting against Carl's Jr. than they did the Nazis?

161 reader  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:01:25pm

Now doing face-time at the Karaoke Bar and Grill, I give you
"The French Race".


Sorry, it just popped into my head. I don't hate any people. I just wish some of them would quit sending me their scripts.

162 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:01:54pm

157 rtheyserius

This is also true. However, it was only ever truly valuable in France… which makes it a typical French invention.

Now now, the French are annoying, true, and they surrender, true, but I could start at aqualung, seguay to Braille, and go on and on. The French have made many contributions.

Plus, the Guillotine was used widely throughout Europe until the last century.

/teacher mode off

163 Californican  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:02:53pm

Funny, I was helping my son fill out college aps...mulitple choice question. I dont remember "French" being a race selection. There was black white, hispanic, etc..but no French. hmmm...

164 SoCalJustice  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:03:18pm

The threats have begun:

Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership

RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN, the Turkish Prime Minister, has told European Union leaders that they will pay a heavy price in continued and escalating violence from Islamic extremists if the EU rejects Turkey as a member and confirms itself as a Christian club.

“Accepting a country that has brought together Islam and democracy will bring about harmony between civilisations. If, on the other hand, it is not welcomed, the world will have to put up with the present situation,” he said, referring to terrorism by such groups as al-Qaeda — whose local affiliates hit Turkey last year, bombing the British consulate and three other targets in Istanbul.

165 levi from queens  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:04:01pm

144-- a linguistic analysis of Churchill's great speech -- we will fight them on the beaches... never never give in, never never surrender -- showed that even though the English language is split roughly evenly between words of Anglo-Saxon and French origin, he only used one word from the French in that 1000 word passage --- surrender.

166 dustyroadguy  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:04:35pm

161 reader

I just could not resist a google of "The French Race"

167 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:06:27pm

Personally, I think CKE sucks, based on lots of stuff. I'd never invest with them, and I don't eat fast food. However, I will defend to the death their right to run a commercial insulting the Froggie surrender monkeys (or a commercial showing a blonde orgasming over a sandwich, which is another gem they've turned out). Freedom of Speech - I love it.

168 levi from queens  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:07:35pm
169 composmentis  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:08:01pm

The French invented surrender, but not the guillotine.

170 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:08:18pm

#166 dustyroadguy

Reminds me of my old Peugeot - during than brief period when it ran.

171 Jack Jones  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:09:16pm

I wonder if the threatened lawsuit has any merit?

I wonder if Carl's Jr will defend against it, or will they just cave like most businesses under similar threat?

172 Jax  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:10:03pm

Hey, the French haven't surrendered in the war against Islamofascism. They've skipped that step, and gone straight to collaboration.

173 zeppenwolf  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:10:24pm

#17: And as tired as the line is, it bears repeating: "Going to war without the French is like going fishing without an accordion."


Hmmm. "Fishing" seems to not fit right. I could have sworn it was Norman Schwarzkopf who said "Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion."

Or something. Then again, maybe it's an old saying...?

174 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:10:32pm

169 composmentis

ROFL. I'll go back to that site just to play with the fly. :)

175 JonathanD  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:11:04pm

neologisms:

musloid = belief that muslim faith is a race

frenchoid (also francoid) = belief that French identity is a racial classification

176 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:11:51pm

#173 zeppenwolf

Jed Babbin said that. I love that quote.

177 mich-again  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:12:19pm

First, the whole charge of racism is ridiculous. There is no such thing as the French race. France is a nation-state, and her citizens are of no particular race. The suit is baseless.

But what do we have to gain by continuously bashing the French. We give ammunition to those in France who already hate the USA, and at the same time offend the conservative minority in France who approve of our anti-terrorism efforts and are still grateful for twice saving their nation from German domination. Could the USA haters in France be fanning these flames knowing that Americans will hurl insults back, thereby dousing any remaining shreds of support of America from their countrymen?

If you think the French have been nothing but surrenderring pansy-asses, read about the Battle of Verdun from WWI.

I really don't care about France. Never been there. Never plan to go. If I want to see what France is like, I'll drive 10 miles and visit Dearborn. But don't play checkers while the other guy is playing chess.

178 dak  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:13:30pm

Seems rather factual to me. What's the problem? Three statement of fact followed by an admonishion not to be chicken.

Actually, its goes pretty easy on them. They coulda had a longer list, followed by: "Don't shoot civilians in COte-D'ivoire..."

And of course this is not racist?

179 composmentis  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:15:03pm

#164 SoCalJustice

Is Erdogan saying, "If I am pledged by the EU, I will call
off the dogs?" He must be "the man."

180 dak  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:16:30pm

Or this?

Courtesy of TV5, French National station

181 lah-dee-dah-dah  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:16:35pm

Carl's needn't worry about any legal action instigated by the French. After all, they fight with their feet and fork with their faces. Yes, I'm probably too drunk to post. Regrets to Iron Fist.

182 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:16:43pm
183 RebTex  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:17:58pm

#177 Mich-again
france bashing giving them fuel?!
That'd be like giving $hit to a pet goose!
It wouldn't matter if I stood on my head & patronized every french restraunt in America!

184 dak  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:20:01pm

But this is pretty funny

"I was here first"

185 Beagle  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:20:23pm

The only genes unique to France are Neanderthal genes. This is not a joke.

Except for that one Neanderthal house at a site in central France, "there is little to suggest that Neanderthals could behave in a modern, Upper Paleolithic way,"

The French have been aspiring to Upper Paleolithic behavior ever since.

186 rtheyserius  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:20:34pm

As a member of the American RACE, I hereby declare all opionions critical of America racist.

187 dak  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:21:47pm

But this is only too true!

"France pays respect to Arrafat"

188 rtheyserius  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:22:08pm
RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN, the Turkish Prime Minister, has told European Union leaders that they will pay a heavy price in continued and escalating violence from Islamic extremists if the EU rejects Turkey as a member and confirms itself as a Christian club.

Case in point. Even generally well behaved Muslims have a hidden agenda.

189 mommydoc  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:23:06pm

Hi, Photios! Really, really good to see you!

190 nikita  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:23:07pm

French Lose Their Own Test Explosives on Flight - Matthew Saltmarsh (International Herald Tribune/New York Times)
Last week, France's national police planted a mobile phone-size lump of plastic explosives in an unsuspecting passenger's suitcase as part of an exercise to train bomb-sniffing dogs at Charles de Gaulle International Airport.
Four days later, nobody yet knew where the explosives went.
The explosives, which had no detonator, are not thought to pose a danger.
"We hope they don't throw it away," said a spokesman for the gendarmerie.

via Daily Alert

191 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:23:47pm

#186
Amen to that!

192 rtheyserius  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:25:24pm

The French are extremely security conscious.

Having entered and exited France, my passport has no French stamp.

193 cali white bear  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:25:27pm

to quote jerry seinfeld: "not the way i would have gone but a bold choice."

i think the jack in the box ads with the french tv reporter interviewing jack is much more of a low key and therefore funnier mackerel slap to the frogs.

no one has yet mentioned that the big man carl karcher is a major socal donor to W and other Rep causes going back to the caveman days. quite a winger, but a great american nonetheless. he used to hand out ungodly quantities of free burger tickets at cali GOP conventions.

"I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get the Germans out of France!" —Jay Leno

194 zombie  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:27:11pm

While we're on the top of infantile whining, this one really is noteworthy:

Professor files complaint against student who dared to expose the professor's political classroom bias

To clarify the story: At Foothill College (in the SF Bay Area) there is an ordinance that allows students to file harrassment complaints against professors (mainly intended for things like sexual harrassment of frosh girls by randy old profs). But an America-hating professor has soiled his diapers and cried to the administration that one of his students has been harrassing him, and he proceeded to file a suit against the student using the very same harrassment law that was designed to protect students against professors. What was the student's "crime"? He discussed in public the professor's outrageous anti-American agenda. The twist is: the student is a conservative Arab-American!

Professor Files Grievance Against Arab Student for Revealing Classroom Intimidation

Los Altos Hills, CA (PRWEB) December 10, 2004 -- On Tuesday, December 7th, in an ongoing controversy at Foothill College, Political-Science Professor Joseph Woolcock filed a grievance against student Ahmad Al-Qloushi for mentioning Woolcock's name in the media. Don Dorsey, Dean of Student Affairs, summarized the grievance as, "Professor Woolcock feels harrased by your (Al-Qloushi) having mentioned his name to the media."
   
On Wednesday December 1st, Foothill College Political-Science Professor Joseph Woolcock tried to intimidate student Ahmad Al-Qloushi into seeing a therapist because of a Pro-American essay he wrote in Woolcock's class. The thesis of Al-Qloushi's essay is that the US constitution was a very progressive document, which has contributed to freedom beyond America's borders.

Waaah! Mommy, that mean student made me look bad!

195 composmentis  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:28:58pm

#185 Beagle

You come up with some extraordinary links. That one
solved the question of the origin of "Monkey see, Monkey do."

The Neanderthals and the Cro-Magnons interbred and produced offspring."
196 mjk  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:30:05pm

You're offended by the surrendering cracks on that commercial, France? Then stop surrendering to every crackpot that comes your way!

As Homer Simpson once said, "God wants you to lead the French to what? Victory? We're French. We don't even have a word for that!"

197 yct  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:30:28pm

#186
Hehe good one; French bastards think there better than the caucasian race, the bastards that've holed themselves uphere in Canada are even worse, we have french vs. rest of canada disputes all the time (i.e. french sign law: forced signs in quebec to be all french or mainly french; only won b/c too many frogs in canada)

198 trigger girlie  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:31:09pm

To stuck-in-california

Although you are French in your ancestry, to us you are an American-a person who holds American values and beliefs. Just like French is not a race and is not genetic.

199 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:31:42pm

Now is a good thread to mention a really good old, out of print unfortunately book, "The Myth of Race," by Ashley Montague, who also wrote (ahem) - "The Natural Superority of Women."

Both good reads, and both available one way or another.

200 dustyroadguy  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:33:44pm

the french word for victory:

victoire féminin
201 DocDublU  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:33:50pm

If France were a football team, they would be called the Arizona Cardinals. Teribble owner, apathetic fans and the laughing stock of the league.

Check out their record in the "big games"...

Frogs Are #1: At Losing Wars

They have lost, in order, and not to mention a bunch of ties, the following wars

Gallic
Italian
30 Years
French and Indian
Spanish Succession
Napoleonic
Franco Prussian
WWII
Indochina
Alegerian Revolution.

202 composmentis  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:34:12pm

#194 zombie

I wouldn't touch that Professor's name with a 10 foot
shepherd's crook!

( I am outta here. Too much bad joke material.)

203 dak  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:34:53pm

#194

That is so F..ked up, nobody could make that up. The arab student was obviously the smartest of the two.

204 Throbert McGee  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:35:25pm
The French they are a funny race,
They fight with their feet and f*** with their face.

The only trouble with this poem is that no red-blooded American man of today -- and I'm confident the straight guys on LGF share this sentiment -- would admit that a Frenchie could beat us at performing oral sex on a Person Of The Appropriate Gender (POTAG). "You call that pussy-eating, Dominique? Regardez-vous, grenouille!"

(Incidentally, does anyone know whether the "fight with their feet" line is a reference to running away, or to

205 yct  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:35:31pm

#193
You can't blame french for not being able to root out germans (like Iraqis trying to root out your army today) but we can blame them for letting them in in the first place. They built a hugeass bunker along the Rhine river but forgot that german tanks could, and did drive around it!

206 superdawg  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:35:56pm

Sorry if someone has posted this:

Why are there so many trees on French boulevards?
So the Germans could march in the shade.


So, some day I plan to visit the Normandy WWII cemeteries. How do you do that and avoid France at the same time?

207 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:36:01pm

OT

fyi John McCain Preparing for 2008 Race

208 dak  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:36:53pm

"The Neanderthals and the Cro-Magnons interbred and produced offspring"

Well, you know, it get awful lonely and cold in the ice ages...

But now I know where Tie Domi comes from...

209 Beagle  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:37:01pm

#195 composmentis

There is a long-standing debate over whether Neandert(h)als and Cro-Magnons interbred - ignoring the debate over the h. I think the evidence for interbreeding is France. Notice their pronounced cranial ridges and sloping foreheads? Heh.

210 dak  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:40:15pm

Well you know athe difference between French spies and other spies.

You have to torture the Frech spy for him to stop talking.

211 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:40:47pm

Homework for all the LGFers: find how many of these phrases come from the French!

Did I mention I love Wikipedia?

212 yct  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:41:34pm

#208
lol good call, Domi's one bigass hockey goon.

213 eeevil conservative  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:43:14pm

OH THANK YOU CHARLES! I REALLY NEEDED A LAUGH TODAY!

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

214 zombie  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:44:29pm
#209 Beagle 
There is a long-standing debate over whether Neandert(h)als and Cro-Magnons interbred - ignoring the debate over the h. I think the evidence for interbreeding is France. Notice their pronounced cranial ridges and sloping foreheads?

Actually, the modern French are not descended from the ancestral inhabitants of that area. Modern French are descended from the Franks (a tribe originally from Eastern Europe), the Romans (Italy), the Celts (central Europe), the Visigoths (northeastern Europe), the Vikings (Scandinavia), etc. Were the Gauls a native race, or did they too come from somewhere else originally? So -- while I strongly agree that Neanderthals did the dirty with Cro-Magnons and made little Neander-Magnon babies, I don't think those babies grew up to be the French. They grew up to be Europeans in general, perhaps, but not exclusively the French.

215 vickie  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:45:47pm

HUGE...LOLOLOLOL...Hysterical!

216 dak  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:46:15pm

#214

You forgot the Germans in the mix that produced French offsprings...

217 DocDublU  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:47:07pm

FYI

Carls Jr. owns Hardees, so if you are in the South or Northeast (god help you) try the new 2 pound burger they are selling.

Are the French well known for having no sense of humor?

218 vickie  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:47:48pm

dak...Too Much...So funny...Im reading from the end of the thread UP. Your joke was great.

219 trigger girlie  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:47:52pm

Jim C-

A fellow Lizardoid Chicagoan?

Almost sounds like a class, hehe

220 Ostracized  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:49:08pm
221 dak  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:49:09pm

#214

Sorry. Visigoth counts I guess. And Ostrogoth. Goths. Normans. Vandals, etc.

Boy I guess words gets around that the French like having a good time...

222 rtheyserius  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:49:27pm
If France were a football team, they would be called the Arizona Cardinals

That's for sure. They couldn't even beat the 49ers today!

Now the 49ers are 2 & 11 after blowing a 25 point lead!

Arizona needs to check their French ancestry.

223 DocDublU  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:49:53pm

#212

I agree that Ty is a tough SOB, but "bigass" is a huge stretch. I played golf with him in Phx a while back, and he is tiny. Tough, wiry, soft spoken, with a look like he's ready to crack you upside the head at any minute. But not big. Like 5-9 180 if he's lucky.

And does he hit the ball. Huge off the tee.

224 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:53:14pm

#56 theparson

How's your mom?

[engineer], reagainite, waterrabbit, et all


I laughed so hard at your posts, I almost dropped my laptop!

Here's one... French Army Knife

225 Beagle  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:53:39pm

#214 zombie

You are discounting the random Neanderthal nookie hypothesis (RNNH).

226 EE  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:54:24pm

#198 trigger girlie
Good post. Good for you.

227 yct  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:55:23pm

Man compared to me Ty is massive... (damn short genes making me 5'3) but damn is he tough. Saw him a couple weeks ago in T.O. DAMN YOU NHL! I WANT MY HOCKEY, I don't care how they solve it... I have had enough of watching NFL and Seinfeld reruns

228 DocDublU  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:56:02pm

#222

I met Mr. Bidwell last week. I just walked up to him at at local resort and stuck my hand out and introduced myself and wished him good luck. He looked sticken to even be spoken to. Could barely muster a handshake, and made no eye contact. And this was at his fundraiser where he was just standing around holding his hoohoo in his hand.

All the presence and personality of a lump of glue. He made his money the old fashioned way. He inherited it. But he has made one great business decision in his life. He refused to sell his football team. Even this lousey franchise is worth, probably, $300 million. With no shareholders.

229 dak  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:57:06pm

Actually I am being unfair about Ty. He works with kids a bit and shows a pretty good example for them to emulate, 'cept for the part about kicking somebody's ass on the ice. He sounds like a great guy (but won't win a beauty contest, neither will I)

Most anybody who's played hockey agrees that goons are necessary.

In one great interview the other day on the sports channel, one mentioned that his job was to make people "accountable" while condemming the anybody who hits you with a stick or breaks your neck from behind.

Tell Ty I don't really mean it, but I think he'd like the joke... (John Ferguson or Nylan or Kordic just don't have THAT look)

230 Beagle  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:57:11pm

Perhaps Neanderthal genes are dispersed worldwide, given the time period in question. Got any Neanderthal in you? - Ancestry.wtf

231 Cornholio  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:57:14pm

So making fun of French people is "racist"
Hmm... as a person with French ancestors, I as a persecuted French-American am entitled to preferences on bids for government contracts! And we demand an end to the oppressive American expectation that we shower daily. It is racist, I tell you! There is no understanding of the French culture that glorifies the scent of one who has not bathed in two weeks. Come on folks, appreciate other cultures! Smell my French-American armpits!

Also we French-Americans should no longer have to suffer the indignity of waiting in line at movies.

232 vickie  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 5:59:55pm

Just hearing this on TV. In Wisc? there is a group called One Hundred Drunken Santas. Group of men and women all dressed up in Santa Suits. They go from Bar to Bar ...drink..play Pool..and COLLECT monies from the Owners and Customers..under the Toys For Tots Program. Aint that Cute? Aint that American?

We are sooo nice and have a great sense of humor. Much MUCH better than the French RACE? They think they are a RACE...for G-d Sakes?

233 Right Brain  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:01:44pm

In order for a class action suit to proceed a court has to certify the class as being "similarly situated" inasmuch as they suffered a similar monetary injury; there is no group that can be identified here as having suffered said similar injury, no such group that has lost a similar sum of money because of the actions of the plaintiff. Moreover its just plain silly, there is no case law to certify a class of "offended" people, each of whom may or may not be offended and certainly not to the same degree or in the same fashion. There is no injury, no common injury, and thus no ability to sue in a class action. This is nonsense spewed by non-lawyers, or even worse, by lawyers with no class-action experience.

234 PDM  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:03:29pm

If I was a weasel and somebody called me a chicken, I'd be pissed off too.

235 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:03:41pm

Good marketing to appeal to reactionary morons who harden their arteries at chain "restaurants". Obviously gleaned from the successes of Rupert The Murdoch's incessant auto-da-fe of French bashing. Juvenile, trite and effective, and has all of you trained seals clapping away with abandon. Next trick: spin a beachball on your noses!

Like all nations, France has done its fair share of international bastardry. It has sold weapons to very questionable buyers (like the US and others), it has engaged in amorality in foreign relations (like the US and others), it has tested nuclear bombs thousands of miles away from its mainland (at least like Britain).

And yes, it has surrendered in wars.

Ever actually got out an atlas? Ever looked at where France is? Ever looked at what countries it bordered? Now, since WW2 *started* on the continent, who do you think was going to bear the brunt of an invading German army? Nebraska? Into whose towns did the Panzers roll? The USA's? Nope. That's right, France.

Now, cue you to all start hopping up and down with a pissing match about how bad the French army was, how quickly they folded, and so on. All well and good, and not totally without merit. However, the point still remains: other nations braying about surrender is very luxurious when they didn't have to face an invasion themselves. Yes, I know all you tough guy heroes would have turned back the SS divisions with your sidearms, but theory is sometimes a little different to fact.

Here's some homework for you: go look up how many French soldiers died during WW2. Compare it to other nations. The number is sobering. It's not anything as horrific as Russia's sacrifice, but it still equates to a very substantial loss of life.

Cue the standard responses! Let the dance begin!

236 WarBicycle  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:04:50pm

I grew up in Quebec, the French also surrendered to the British at the Plains of Abraham. The only real hero they had was Joan D'arc and they burned her at the stake.

237 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:05:12pm

Pragmaticus

Only one response is appropriate:

*snoopy dance of gloating*

238 dak  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:06:30pm

#206

Go in through Belgium and go see the WW1 cemetaries instead. It's just fugging unbeleivable. Crosses as far as you can see in every direction (around Vimy, northern part of the front).

Shoot there is whole big monument at Vimy (where the Canadians fought) covered with names. These are the name of soldiers they could not find the pieces of.

There is a big forest there. One tree for every soldier that died.

It dwarfs the D-day cemetaries. With all due respects, of course.

239 Dadzilla  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:06:43pm

Note to frog sucking surrender monkeys: Give us back our dead, we'll return the statue, and next time your in deep doo doo lose our phone number! p.s. fuhque you!
signed
America

240 Cornholio  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:07:03pm

#233 Right Brain 

There are so many errors in the the lawyersandsettlements.com announcement that I doubt it is for real.

241 goldsmith  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:07:08pm
Cue the standard responses! Let the dance begin!


Sorry, my dance card is all full up. Besides, humorless turds such as yourself don't usually have any rhythm.

242 bp sf  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:08:15pm

The asshole's name is Tie, not Ty.

243 SwampWoman  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:09:21pm

#231 Cornholio

Hmm... as a person with French ancestors, I as a persecuted French-American am entitled to preferences on bids for government contracts! And we demand an end to the oppressive American expectation that we shower daily. It is racist, I tell you! There is no understanding of the French culture that glorifies the scent of one who has not bathed in two weeks. Come on folks, appreciate other cultures! Smell my French-American armpits!

Also we French-Americans should no longer have to suffer the indignity of waiting in line at movies.

French or Coonass ancestry?

244 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:09:56pm

235 Pragmaticus

Am I misunderstanding your post, or are you trying to piss people off?

Lighen up dude... the jokes are funny (like the dumb polock jokes going around in the 70's, and the dumb dago jokes that followed closely behind). And while it may be true that France lost many soldiers in the wars in which it fought, and that every lost life is important, the fact remains that France has a dismal military record (including Napoleon's blunder that decimated the French army when it tried to take Moscow). Please stop tinkling on our cheerios.

245 rtheyserius  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:10:29pm
#162 Cattt -- The French have made many contributions. /teacher mode off

Thanks for the lesson, but I already knew that.

I'll give the French more credit when they stop dissing Americans and give us the well deserved respect and appreciation we've earned with American lives and willingness to help them in their most dire moments of need.

Until then, they can kiss my ass.

246 dak  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:11:22pm

#235

Actually, a better statistic is the percentage of French casualties (as a percentage of the population of males) in WW1.

They have suffered a great deal in WW1, no wonder they almost mutinied...

But they do have a history of cutting deals and invoking the raison d'etat...

247 levi from queens  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:11:43pm

Cornholio--All french-americans are entitled to $10,000 in damges --to allow us to purchase deodorant --

(I also am huguenot)

248 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:11:53pm

#241

Humor generally requires something to be funny.

That marketing campaign, although effective because it would appeal to the sodium addicted lumps of lard who make up the rump of the company's target market, is about as funny as your average piece of Cox and Forkum agitprop.

249 BRUTUS  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:11:59pm

LAdies. Gentlemen.

This is not such a bad thing. In fact, if they win the law suit, it could be a good thing. It would, in fact, open the door to countries as plaintiffs in defamation suits. Imagine: Israel v. BBC )or AP, or AFP etc...); Israel v. Al Jazeera (it is being shown in the US); etc... Oh yes, let us not forget USA v. BBC, etc... for their "racism" in covering Iraq, etc...

This sword, if swung, will cut both ways.

250 JimmyTheClaw  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:12:48pm

#138 zulubaby 12/12/2004 06:41PM PST
Powerline 25.3%

LGF 23.9%

Has everyone voted?

ok ok ok i voted

251 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:13:42pm

#237 pookleblinky

*snoopy dance of gloating*

I didn't know snoopy had a dance of gloating?

Did Sarah D show you that one? She's holding out on me!

252 zombie  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:14:12pm
#230 Beagle 
Perhaps Neanderthal genes are dispersed worldwide, given the time period in question.

Actually, not quite worldwide. One of the most controversial of all human-ancestry theories is that Australian Aborigines (are you ready for this?) are not even homo sapiens sapiens! Apparently there is archaeological and DNA evidence showing that they were isolated on Australia for many hundreds of thousands of years before the final out-migration from Africa that produced modern humans. (There were two great out-migrations, the first one producing now-extinct proto-human groups like Java Man and Neaderthals; the second one leading to Cro-Magnons and modern humans). Looks like the Aborigines are descended from the first out-migration. The controversy comes in, of course, since this implies that they are not quite human, just super-advanced great apes, living Neanderthal-contemporaries of a sort.

Is it true? Hell, I don't know.

253 RebTex  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:14:13pm

#235 Pragmaticus
You mean like when the Mexican army was trying to invade Texas? Remember the Alamo?!
Would've been easy for the guys to quit & surrender...but did they?
NO!
THere's only 3 legs of your soapbox touching ground.

254 PSGInfinity  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:14:25pm

#133 LOL! Touche! 'Tis true my posts doth present the countenance of undissimilarity...

255 ördög Johnson  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:14:27pm
256 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:14:53pm

#248 Smegmaticus

Cox and Forkum agitprop.

Anyone else agree with El Pragmatico? Anyone?

257 TalkinKamel  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:14:58pm

#235 Pragmaticus

The simple fact is, Americans are getting tired of "allies" like France, who are actually working against them, rather than with them.

Unless and until France finds a backbone, and decides to quit appeasing the Islamofacits, the crude jokes and contemp will continue.

258 Cornholio  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:15:05pm

#235 Pragmaticus 

Two words for ya:

Maginot Line

(Five years to build. Two days to overrun. Even when the French had five years to set up defenses, the Germans ran over the French "army" like a speeding pickup squishing a possum.)

259 Zaideh  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:16:07pm

Why did the Frenchman chase the chicken across the road?

Make up your own punch line.

260 In Vino Veritas  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:18:10pm

I believe there is a deep physcological reason the French resent the USA. We have never asked for anything in return...they could never repay. It is truly a sad chapter in human history.

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To the French people, I, for one, forgive you .

VV

261 PDM  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:18:23pm

#259 Zaideh,

Why did the Frenchman chase the chicken across the road?

Because even a chicken has standards.

262 dak  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:18:29pm

I like cox and forkum. Pretty much the only "right wing" caricature artists. Look up further in the post to see some of the cartoons the French put out (I posted them there).

Cox and Forkum go pretty easy compare to that French boy... (and lets not forget the Guardian caricature from last week)...

263 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:18:30pm

#258

Not that it matters really, but the Germans simply went around the Maginot Line. They didn't actually overrun it.

Did I defend French WW2 military thinking, by the way? Show me where, please.

264 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:18:37pm

Skippy

Snoopy was the Fred Astaire of cartoon dogs.

*Snoopy dance of seduction*

*Snoopy dance of Purim* (Charlie has to provide the vodka)

*Snoopy dance of victory* (ditto)

*Snoopy dance of the call of nature* (after the vodka)

*Snoopy disco dance*

*Snoopy belly dance*

265 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:18:38pm

Ladies and Gents... we have ourselves a troll!

Let the games begin.

#256 Pookleblinky

LMAO... damn fine work...

266 TalkinKamel  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:19:00pm

I'm guessing Pragmaticus is a Vegan-addicted Moonbat, coming from the DU or Kos, who's still mad that Kerry lost the election, and we haven't kissed and made up with Europe yet.

Either that, or he's really Jacques Chirac! (Heh, heh, heh, sez Fritzie the Talking Kamel!)

/What is it about Sunday night that brings the Moonbats out?

267 William  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:19:45pm

The Religion of Peace™ strikes again, massacring Christmas shoppers at a crowded shopping center:

[Link: news.ninemsn.com.au...]
 

268 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:20:54pm

Where's reagainte, Iron Fist, Geepers, and Zulubaby when you need them.

All, I've come to the conclusion that our trolls are really issuing a cry for help by posting here at LGF. We need to do an intervention and get them into Troll Recovery.

269 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:21:53pm

#211 Pookleblinky

It's what I like about you
you always manage to actually find hard copy of the conundrums flitting around my subsoncious...
and i bet the french can't f**k with all their romantic posturing

270 garnier  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:22:18pm

And France's Charles the Great trounced the Muslims trying to advance northwards into Europe at the Battle of Poitiers which accounts for our speaking English instead of Arabic as the great English historian Gibbon famously observed.

Parliament with an upper and lower house (from which our Congress derives), trial by jury, common law, oxford and cambridge, representative government, courts of law all developed under the great Plantagenet Kings of England who were, of course, French.

271 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:23:11pm

#261 PDM

What do you get when you cross a frenchman and a pig?

Nothing, there are somethings a pig won't do.

272 In Vino Veritas  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:23:23pm

PIMF 'psychological' - pretty tough word huh?

273 TalkinKamel  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:23:26pm

#268 Skippy Moment:

Do an intervention? I prefer to laugh at them!

(And there is, alas, no such thing as "troll recovery." Trolls are hopeless.)

274 BingoBunny  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:23:58pm

Lawyers, French, and insults.. how long before the LLL demands congress shut our mouths with duck tape so we offend no fair weather allies.

275 rabidfox  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:24:06pm

Tbat bit about Professor Woolcock is frighteneing. Dear God, not only can these idiots preach any damn thing they want to in class, they don't want to be held accountable for it!

276 dak  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:24:21pm

#263

At least this is (at least this far) a pretty reasoned discussions. No insults have flown yet, no racist accusations or sexual deviancy hinted.

Congrats lizards. It is still possible to have a discussion here instead of bing buried in insults.

Shoulda seen the bile that flew yesterday (late) when I presented a discusion point that did not exactly conform to the expected standards and position of some.

Had something to do with Ukraine.

Just wanna say I appreciate people who keep it relatively clean, no matter the item discussed.

277 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:24:27pm

#245 rtheyserius

I'm sure you can find someone who will be more than happy to kiss your ass, French or otherwise. How witty of you. I'm sure that line wins many of your debates.

However, when you say something that is patently not true, you will find that someone will invariably point it out on this thread (I know they have when I err). I suggest you might want to get used to it.

I don't know if I am glad or not that you "knew that," since you said the opposite in your original post.

278 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:24:34pm

# 266

Like most of the hive brains who bubble along here, you've guessed pretty wrong.

If you could read properly, you'd realise that I pointed out that French governments over the years have been responsible for all sorts of extreme unpleasantness. When it comes to realpolitik, they aren't scared of plumbing the depths. However, they are HARDLY the only ones guilty of this trait.

What I was shaking my head over is the Pavlov's dog response you natives have to a fairly tedious (albeit effective) piece of Madison Avenue positioning. They've read their market well.

279 rtheyserius  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:24:42pm

Have the French no gratitude?

280 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:25:19pm

Pragmaticus parvus ursum magnum amat. Sed ursus magnus pragmaticum parvum non amat. Quis causae est? Propter Pragmaticus lunavespertilium est!
---
Little Pragmaticus loves the big bear. But the big bear doesn't love little Pragmaticus. Why? Because Pragmaticus is a moonbat!

/You get a latinic name, you deserve my juvenile mockery!

281 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:26:10pm

#279 rtheyserious

has gratitude no french?

282 Cornholio  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:26:16pm

#243 SwampWoman 
French. (Hey, nothing I can do about it. And really I have nothing against French people, it's the yellow-bellied-lying-stinky-corrupt-cowardly-retre ating-cheese-eating French government I have a problem with.)

#256
pookleblinky  

Cox and Forkum

A troll who thinks Cox and Forkum aren't funny?!? Clearly the troll utterly lacks an understanding of cartoon humor. It can only mean one thing - "Pragmaticus" is actually Ted Rall!

283 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:26:21pm

264 pookleblinky

So Snoopy can cut a rug with the great Fred Astaire (I'm more of a Gene Kelley gal myself). How'd a thunk it!

And I'd love to see that *Snoopy belly dance*

(I used to belly dance... when I was much younger, more limber, and looked really good in the outfit ;-> )

284 dak  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:26:59pm

Shoot, looks like I may have posted too slow.

285 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:30:41pm

Atlas

Why thanks. I'll extend the use of my subconscious for the right price.

286 TalkinKamel  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:30:47pm

Uh-oh, Pragmaticus just blamed Madison Avenue for the fact we don't love the French!

Next, he's going to point out it's all a plot! Madison Avenue has lauched a smear campaign (shades of Gordon!) against the hapless, innocent French, because they want us all to eat fast food, and become fat, salt-addicted lard buckets, whereas the French want us to eat healthy French food, such as pate de fois gras, and chocolate mousse, and. . . um, wait, these are pretty fattening too! But if you ate them, you'd be a suave and nuanced lard bucket, not some awful American Cowboy lard bucket!

Anyway, according to Pragmaticus, it's all Madison Avenue's fault! Nothing the French have actually done, such as get involved in the Saddam's oil for food scam, and give him money and support! No indeedy! It's all that awful Madison Avenue. . .

287 In Vino Veritas  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:31:01pm

I put some effort into post #260...check it out. I've done this before. It always gets to me.

288 Evan from NZ  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:31:40pm

I had Carls Jr last time I was in California - very nice I might add. Down here, I have to make my own pastrami burgers!

289 rtheyserius  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:31:41pm

#277 cattt

Oh please forgive me for my hubris. Please, teach me, oh exalted one. Your obvious superiority to my vastly inferior intellect, being so small as compared with your infinite bigness makes me want to cower before the greatness of the high vastness and sheer well, BIGNESS... have I already said that? ... of your infinite betterness than my lowly, small and student-like self.

290 christheprofessor  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:32:50pm

#272

We are talking about the french -- i think the word you are looking for is "psychoproctologist."

291 ördög Johnson  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:32:53pm

BTW, we are behind Powerline by some 930 votes.

Vote!

292 TalkinKamel  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:34:08pm

#282 Cornholio:

My G-d, I think you're right!

HIYA PRAGMATICUS-TED!

293 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:34:15pm

#278 Pragmaticus

FOAD

Plus, I can read, too.

So there.

;p

294 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:34:39pm

#276 dak, I read the thread last night and you did get smacked around a bit, but in fairness, some of your posts opened you up to it. Read the FAQ. As a newbie, and until you are found to not be a troll, like #235 Pragmaticus, you will find yourself being put through your paces. If it proves that you are more like Gordon, then folks will give you a hard time, but it will be generally harmless. Oh, and don't listen to maumau... he's got a chip the size of Cleveland on his shoulder - he's trouble, and all he wants to do is stir up a sh*tstorm.

295 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:35:53pm

289 rtheyserius

Your obvious superiority to my vastly inferior intellect, being so small as compared with your infinite bigness makes me want to cower before the greatness of the high vastness and sheer well, BIGNESS

True. Thanks. Feel free to cower any time.

296 Cornholio  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:35:56pm

#278 Pragmaticus 

I notice you are not writing your posts in German.

You're welcome.

297 Darleen  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:37:22pm

Pragmaticus

Take a gander at this list. Scroll down to the MIA Private Ray Aseltine.

That was my great-uncle (who was 16 at the time). Thank you very much, my family gave at the office. The French/American whining about some a effing sandwich ad is just the grist for the mill underlining their effete stereotype. Why do you feel it necessary to diss the customers of Carl's Jr., I wonder. Off your brie tonight?

298 Mr. E. Train  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:38:03pm

HEY, check this sight...
subservient chicken!

What you wanna bet the guy in the chicken suit is a frenchy?

299 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:38:15pm

294 SkippyMoment

Skippy, true, true. And guys, I promise never to mention nether equipment again, so uncross your legs. :)

300 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:38:15pm

# 286

No, your reading comprehension falls down again.

I'm saying that it's pathetic that you get yourselves into such a jolly little lather over a fairly tedious ad campaign, and clap along like good, well trained little morons. Just like you have been programmed to.

I don't think Madison Avenue is awful. I think they're smart, and they know their stuff. They are to be congratulated for doing their job well in this case: exciting simple little minds with simple little epithets and inevitably getting themselves acres of press for it. It's a great, well conceived campaign.

301 Beagle  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:39:54pm

#278 Pragmaticus

You'd have to be wearing all black, sipping expensive coffee no doubt, to write with such pompous pusillanimous prose, Pragmaticus. By the way, do you know the Emperor? Biggus Dickus?

302 rtheyserius  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:41:15pm
#295 cattt -- Feel free to cower any time.

Thank you! Thank you! Would you mind putting on your skimpy Nazi outfit before I get on my knees?

303 Nomorelies  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:41:26pm

I think I'll settle for a burger with tater tots.

304 Cornholio  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:41:57pm

#300 Pragmaticus 

Do you know how to speak German?

Just wondering.

305 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:42:15pm

#300 Pragmaticus

Thanks for making it clear that you skipped through this thread, because you obviously haven't read my posts. Cherrypicker.

306 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:43:02pm

Welcome to LGF's Troll Recovery Program

This is a 12 step program in the finest tradition of AA, CA, OA, GA, and all the other A programs.

Step 1. Admit you have a problem, and your life has become unmanageble.

307 eeevil conservative  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:44:30pm

What is the point about an Atlas? I mean, I look at a map- see that France was next to Germany. What is the point? That it is easier to fly clear across the Atlantic Ocean to fight a war? Are you nuts? The French not only joined the freakin' sick practices of the Nazi's, they still to this day can't get a grip on the hatred for the Jews. Heck, they are kissing Arafat's booty and embracing the likes of Saddam. They are a bunch of snobby idiots. (not ALL French, mind you) They are too busy worrying about their pockets being lined to worry about what was being done to the Iraqi people. THey could care less if people were starved, put in grinders and watching their daughters, wives, and sisters being raped in the special rooms. They don't give one flip about the people in the Ivory Coast, Sudan, or any other group not providing them with the luxury of the HIGH LIFE. not shedding any tears here for them. They have no maral cooth. the are deplorable and depraved of decency at any level when it comes to sacrafice of there wine and cheese for anything of true worth or value.

Put away your little maps and open up a history book or read the reports on the Oil for Food scam you ninny.

308 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:44:33pm

302 rtheyserius

Thanks, but no thanks.

309 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:45:13pm

#278 Pragmitus

When it comes to realpolitik, they aren't scared of plumbing the depths.

Is that what the au courant pc crowd on the Champs Elesyee
is now referring to when backing murdering terrorists, supplying the American enemy with arms and treausre, sucking the blood of the Iraqi poor in the Oil for Chirac scandal, or firing inot the unarmed crowd in the Ivory coast?

Is this what the poor unenlightened Americans incapable of "getting"? How unevolved we poe lard loving Americans are!

/sarc

310 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:46:24pm

"Simple little minds"

I wonder why smegmaticus didn't mention that Karl Rove controls Madison Avenue. Surely he must know!

311 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:46:31pm

LGF Troll Recovery Program

Step 2. Recognize and admit that you need a power greater than yourself (that would be LGF) to sanity.

312 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:48:21pm

#309 Atlas

I pimped for your Jew-Heyya today.

313 lah-dee-dah-dah  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:49:15pm

#270 Garnier Relax, bud. You're all right with me. Throughout history the French have accomplished many brave and noble achievements. It's just from the 1940's forward that France has become kind a thumbtack on the chair for the USA. I'm relatively confident that the course of world events will force the Franco-American Alliance to bury the hatchet, hopefully deep into the skull of the common enemy of our people, that is the islamist terrorist movement of world conquest. All it's gonna take is a wake up call from usama or his al-quaida underlings to scare France straight. Of course, they won't be much help; but at least they'll get the hell out of our way. I don't anticipate that we'll have to dismantle Lady Liberty and send her back to Gaul. What a mess that would be; but not even the equal of 1/10th of 1% of the shit-mess that's going to hit the fan when all-out world war breaks out between the Arab-islamofascists and the Free World. Give it another 2 or 3 years to percolate, and all of us who don't face mecca 5 times a day will be smelling the same coffee.

314 Darleen  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:49:33pm

Pragmaticus

What you also fail to understand is that most Americans are well atuned to mass media/communications. We view ads as mini-entertainment and judge them according to their humor, cleverness or drama. We take them on their own merits regardless of the product they are hawking.

I don't eat at Jack in the Box, but I've found much of their advertising well written and frankly funny.

What has us hooting here is that a group of people as humorless as yourself actually find something to be offended about in the ad... and seriously trying to be a lawsuit claiming a "hate-crime." (kinda like moslems be humiliated by criticism of jihadists and urging hate-crime legislation while ignoring the beheading of "infidels')

The absurdity of it all!

315 Mr Pol  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:49:36pm

#311 SkippyMoment

Step 3: suck a 12-gauge1 ?

1 Copyright © Iron Fist, 2004. Used with permission.

316 PDM  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:49:42pm

#271 SkippyMoment,

LOL!

A French diplomat is spending some time in an Iraqi military base. After a few weeks he asks a soldier what they do for sex. The soldier leads him behind the mess tent and points to the camel. The diplomat recoils in horror. After a few more weeks the same soldier walks behind the mess tent and sees the diplomat on a stool behind the camel humping away(no pun intended). The soldier cries out in alarm. "What do you think you are doing to our camel?" The diplomat replies "Well, you are the one who told me I should use her for sex". The soldier says "Yes, but we usually ride her to town and get ourselves a woman".

317 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:49:56pm

LGF Troll Recovery Program

Step 3. Make a conscious decision to turn your will and life over to the care of that higher power (LGF).

I see our troll this evening is still resisting this, but he is still here and posting his lame arguments and insults, so the LGF family must continue to help this troll see the error of his ways.

I belive we need a sponsor for this troll, any takers?

318 He's dead, Jim  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:50:21pm

#300 Pragmaticus

Your intellectual superiority complex notwithstanding, why won't you engage on the substance of the thread? Is the commercial "racist" and a violation of the intent of the First Amendment?

Beyond that, what about French foreign policy over the past 10 or 20 years do you find commendable? No rhetoric, please, just well supported statements of opinion.

And no redirects; I don't care what you think about Madison Avenue or your opinions on the fast food business...besides, your Marx is showing, and that is a whole different thread.

319 PSGInfinity  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:50:31pm

Yes, we do have a troll:

Good marketing to appeal to reactionary morons who harden their arteries at chain "restaurants". Obviously gleaned from the successes of Rupert The Murdoch's incessant auto-da-fe of French bashing. Juvenile, trite and effective, and has all of you trained seals clapping away with abandon. Next trick: spin a beachball on your noses!

Harvard Catalog #4321 Advanced Circus Tricks

Don't throw your major in our faces, you saanctimonious jerk.

Like all nations, France has done its fair share of international bastardry. It has sold weapons to very questionable buyers (like the US and others), it has engaged in amorality in foreign relations (like the US and others), it has tested nuclear bombs thousands of miles away from its mainland (at least like Britain).

Our later compromises had a higher purpose: win the cold war. And the earlier ones, we simply outgrew. Their compromises involve enslaving people for profit.

And yes, it has surrendered in wars. (SNIP) That's right, France.

Had they had some cojones (slang equivalent can't exist in French) in 1936, Hitler would've been jailed as a two-bit thug. They were warned...

Now, cue you to all start hopping up and down (SNIP)turned back the SS divisions with your sidearms, (SNIP)

As a matter of fact, our forebears DID use their sidearms. Knives, too.

Here's some homework (SNIP) very substantial loss of life.

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." - Attributed to General George Patton Jr

Cue the standard responses! Let the dance begin!

One of those standard responses is a Fisking...

320 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:52:33pm

312 Pookleblinky

you have exclusive pimping rights...

BTW love the smegmaticus ROTFLMFAO

321 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:53:20pm
322 zulubaby  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:54:16pm

PDM, LOL! I have to send that to my friends.

323 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:54:29pm

#315 Mr. Pol

No, no, no... sucking on a 12 guage is not step 3. We must not scare the troll away from the recovery program... he's crying out for our help, we must reach out with compassion, and empathy for his plight. We must come along side this troll and help him to find mental health and freedom from his afflictions, or he'll probably end up on the streets, alone, homeless, friendless, dirty, and smell... not to mention the cooties.

/LLL moonbat compassion.

324 Mr Pol  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:55:40pm

#323 SkippyMoment

The goal of the program should be to put it out of our misery...

325 rtheyserius  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:55:55pm

#308 cattt

But moi cattt... you are so BIG and I am so small, and you know so much more about, well, everything, than I do... surely a leetel slinky Nazi outfit is but a pittance to satisfy your lowly student's craving, nay, I say, THIRST for knowledge.

Teach me the ways of the French who have contributed so much and who are so entitled, by virtue of their Frenchness, to treat us uncivilized Americans the error of our backward ways.

All it takes is ze leetel Nazi outfit and I am bound by your superior will.

Otherwise, along with all the others you have rightly imagined are willing to do, you can kiss my ass, too.

326 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:56:28pm

Atlas

I haven't brought those pimping rights from you though.

How'd you like my Six Forbidden Dances of Snoopy?

327 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:56:48pm

# 310

I wonder why smegmaticus didn't mention that Karl Rove controls Madison Avenue.


Because he doesn't.

Madison Avenue reads the temperature of the market, and delivers to it. It couldn't care who is in power, really, just as long as the social pulse is discernable. They'll cook up whatever gruel is palatable at the time. If it's reactionary drumbeating and chest-pounding, so be it. They don't care, nor should they.

Rove controls Ailes to a fair degree, however.

328 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:57:42pm

319 PSGInfinity

Re the great Patton quote. Yeah. And looking at the French reaction prior to WWII and when the Germans invaded, it was all about protection, rather than offense. The French just weren't active, instead of reactive. It's all about defense for the Froggies - historically speaking. And of course, that didn't work, so the military and the government capitulated (except for deGaulle and the resistance).

329 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:58:23pm

325 rtheyserius

Gaze

330 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:58:41pm

#300 Pragmipus

And how would you characterize the french depiction of the giant cowboy hat wearing hige American man missing a couple of teeth as the "typical McDonalds customer"

also brlliant marketing?

or were they just being their crazy existential jerry lewis-lovin funnin selves?

and we unenlightened Americans just don't "get it"?

331 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:58:59pm

#327 Pragmaticus

Holy Sh*t! I meant that as a joke, you poor being! Skippy, this guy really needs a sense of humor!

332 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 6:59:19pm

LGF Troll Recovery Program

Step 4. Make a searching and fearless moral inventory of our trollness.

Since our troll isn't ready for this step, does anyone want to help him out?

333 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:01:35pm

Skippy, the first rule of 12-step is not to take someone else's inventory. Actually, that's a huge troll trait. :) Maybe we should skip that step. (No pun intended!)

334 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:01:58pm

#331 PB

Yes he does. Maybe we can take up a collection and buy him a used one.

So, Snoopy has a suductive dance of the six veils? Snoopy gets around... he's a get around hound.

335 Beagle  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:02:12pm

Mr Pol

The goal of the program should be to put it out of our misery...


Offer to buy it some Gauloises. MuhahahHAHAHA...cough...

336 Partisan  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:02:19pm

#263 Pragmaticus

Not that it matters really, but the Germans simply went around the Maginot Line. They didn't actually overrun it.

That has to be worthy of a few jokes doesn't it? I mean years of construction, tons of treasure and the Germans just drive around it?

#278

Like most of the hive brains who bubble along here, you've guessed pretty wrong.

What I was shaking my head over is the Pavlov's dog response you natives have ...

#300

and clap along like good, well trained little morons. Just like you have been programmed to.

exciting simple little minds with simple little epithets

Since you are so obviously our superior, why waste your time with us?

It's Sunday, us Lizards are just hanging out telling (or just reading) jokes, were tired and getting ready for the work week.

Surely you have something better to do than read our ramblings?

337 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:02:36pm

# 318

Huh!?

Why would I need to demonstrate my admiration of the French government over the last 10-20 years?

Nothing they have done particularily impresses me and a great deal I find utterly offensive, but what is curious is why you think anything would have, based on what I have written here. Can you explain the logic that would get you there?

And you've completely misunderstood the point about Madison Avenue. I admire good targetted advertising. It's smart, it's effective, it generates returns. How is that viewpoint Marx-esque?

338 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:02:51pm

I think I'll steal

*Celebratory gunfire*

from Julia The Horrible.

339 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:04:16pm

#333 Cattt

Good point, my bad, we can carry this compassion thing too far. So we'll just have to keep at him until he's ready to confess to what we all see...

An pun away... I think it fits this thread.
:-)

340 Mr Pol  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:04:16pm

#335 Beagle

Lung cancer takes what? 20 years? Way too long.

341 mika.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:04:26pm

#278 Pragmaticus

Like most of the hive brains who bubble along here, you've guessed pretty wrong.

If you could read properly, you'd realise that I pointed out that French governments over the years have been responsible for all sorts of extreme unpleasantness. When it comes to realpolitik, they aren't scared of plumbing the depths. However, they are HARDLY the only ones guilty of this trait.

What I was shaking my head over is the Pavlov's dog response you natives have to a fairly tedious (albeit effective) piece of Madison Avenue positioning. They've read their market well.

Why is the marketing and the reaction to it of any concern of you?

Obviously this marketing also struck an emotional cord with you, or you wouldn't be posting here. Now how is that different from the emotional cord it struck with the regular LGF posters? Why are you being so abusive with your replies? You do realize that you are just as guilty of that which you abuse others of here, and yet too stupid to even realize how your gut response to this has betrayed your intellect and your ego..

342 Cornholio  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:04:35pm

#310 pookleblinky  12/12/2004 08:46PM PST

I wonder why smegmaticus didn't mention that Karl Rove controls Madison Avenue. Surely he must know!

Dude! Don't let the LLL know about that one!

Any LLL's reading this, it's a joke. Karl Rove does not control Madison Avenue. If while you are watching a beer ad you suddenly get the urge to move to a Red State, it's just a concidence. If that next car dealer jingle on the radio gives you the urge to join the NRA, do not be alarmed. Muahaha.

343 levi from queens  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:04:47pm

287--in vino veritas-- in fact your post is quite moving.

344 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:05:57pm

#337 Pragmaticus

How is that viewpoint Marx-esque?

You are not at all Marx-esque. Groucho was FUNNY.

345 Beagle  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:06:06pm

#252 zombie

not quite human, just super-advanced great apes


I know the feeling.

346 Throbert McGee  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:06:35pm
One of the most controversial of all human-ancestry theories is that Australian Aborigines (are you ready for this?) are not even homo sapiens sapiens!
[...]
The controversy comes in, of course, since this implies that they are not quite human, just... living Neanderthal-contemporaries of a sort.

Wince.

Pssst, Zombie -- this is a really really inflammatory post, though its impact is mitigated by the fact that most LGF posters (and detractors) are North American and don't have a gut-level reaction to Australian racial politics. (Substitute "Native Americans" for "Australian Aborigines" above and see if you're still comfortable about having posted it.)

Anyway, this one seems pretty straightforward to debunk:

1) There are plenty of Australians running around of mixed Euro-Aboriginal ancestry. This genetic intercompatibility pretty strongly implies, to me, that the Aboriginals split off from the Cro-Magnon branch after the split that produced the separate Neanderthal/Cro-Magnon lines.

2) There is no representational art associated with Neanderthals -- none. Think about that; they were around for many millennia and were unquestionably advanced toolmakers, yet they never thought to scratch out a stick figure. Then along come the Cro-Magnons and you've got this explosion of drawings and carvings representing humans or animals. (For this reason, I suspect that the intelligence gap between Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons was greater than The Clan of the Cave Bear implies.)

But like all other Homo sapiens sapiens cultures, the Aboriginals have the representational-art impulse -- in fact, there is a characteristic traditional style associated with them, called "X-ray drawings."

347 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:07:10pm

Anyone here think it's time to GAZE?

Who has seen Mr. Holland's Opus?

348 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:08:34pm

#326 Pookieblinky

I haven't brought those pimping rights from you though.
Ph yes you have. the exchange of intellectual currency

How'd you like my Six Forbidden Dances of Snoopy?
couldnt say it better thas #265 SkippyMoment Damn Fine Work
But where was the *Snoopy no longer wear sChanel only Chain metal halter tops* dance

349 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:11:16pm

#348 Atlas

I was afraid my check had bounced.

That's not funny! It should be:

*Snoopy Dance of the Dominatrix*

*Snoopy Dance of Submission* (Banned in Saudi Arabia)

350 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:11:55pm

Hmm...seems I need to find something I can eat of Carl's menu. Getting to "that age" where fast food has disagreeable results. :(

Ah welll. Don't feed the trolls.

As a good night to all thought:
I filled up earlier today at $1.549 per gallon. Suddenly it hit me. How is it that Smirky the Chimp and his Big Oil Buddies could make all that illicit cash with the price of oil going down? Then I understood. The BusHitler and Company has been flooding the airwaves with advertisements from his Zio-Nazi Masters about the Gasoline Shortage!

Quite Clearly I had heard an unmistakably Jewish Voice stating that his company was forecasting an "unprecedented" market in oil futures. Drat! Chimpy the BusHitler has stung the American People again by selling the market Short. Everyone knows that not only are prices going up but that The Dumbest Fascist Alive has a familial relationship through a Camel with the Saudi Ruling Family...St Michael the Cheese Burger told us so!

So how were we, the MSM informed public, supposed to know that the Nefarious Shrub has turned the tide once again with the Corporate Loving son's of the desert? How diabolically clever Smirky was to allow us to think that he and his Oil Rich pals were actually betting on the market going _down_?

When will the Perfidy of the ReThuglican Oil Monsters be revealed?

--
QM
To..Socialists, revolution does not mean a movement of the masses with which they hope to associate themselves; it means a set of reforms which 'we', the clever ones, are going to impose upon 'them', the Lower Orders.
George Orwell

351 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:12:24pm

Since Neanderthals keep getting mentioned, I gotta mention a really great novel series by Robert J. Sawyer:

Hominids
Humans
Hybrids

Trust me. They're good.

352 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:13:00pm

#349 And then there's *Snoopy's dance of surrender (only in France, and when faced by a threat)

353 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:16:53pm

#349 Pookleblinky

*Snoopy Dance of Submission* (Banned in Saudi Arabia)


Really? And here I thought that that was the only dance they allowed in Saudi Arabia once you got past the dancing ban.

354 rtheyserius  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:17:16pm

#329 cattt

Well, ok, that does it. I'm not signing up for any more of your classes.

Meanwhile, the French are on a collision course with their own narcissistic national agenda, alienating one of their best friends, America, and pursuing a typically French vision of European grandeur which they will ultimately never achieve because of the simple fact that no one really likes them, and certainly Europe will not follow them.

When they flip the US off, they get a big flip off in return from millions of Americans, including me.

355 Globular Cluster  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:19:46pm

Another example of PC multiculturalism sending our society down the shitter.

356 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:20:39pm

#353 Atlas

You clearly have never seen the Snoopy Dance of Submission. It requires four large luau pigs, a vat of duck sauce, three kegs full of beer, and the entire Rockettes line. And that's before Snoopy even starts to dance!

357 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:22:35pm

356 pookleblinky

That would be worth the bus trip to NYC and the Radio City Music Hall tickets to see. :)

358 Ojoe  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:24:14pm

The best Champaign has square bubbles.

359 j.pickens  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:24:26pm

Sorry, Garnier.
While Charlemagne may be considered a French king, he was born in Germany of German and French parents, and ruled an area much larger than France, from Aux la chapelle, in Germany.
Charlemagne Birthplace

360 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:27:21pm

#327 Pragmapus

Rove controls Ailes to a fair degree, however.


aha! finally, you show you really are and who you really are!
a left wing lunatic...what bullshit!
what propaganda...do you even watch Fox?
They have the same number of Dem pundits as Republican pundits. Have the thought police deemed it unconstitutional to present both sides?

When the bell tolls, anything but my pragmatic one. it will toll for you too...and when you beg for your life, they will spit on you like Pearl, Berg, Bigely et al
G-d rest their souls

361 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:30:30pm

#339 SkippyMoment

Skippy, I fear that he/she has to hit thought bottom and lie in the metaphor gutter of the City of Projection, before he/she will wake up and see the error of his/her ways. It is to sigh.

362 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:34:08pm
363 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:35:02pm

#356 Pookleblinkly

You clearly have never seen the Snoopy Dance of Submission. It requires four large luau pigs, a vat of duck sauce, three kegs full of beer, and the entire Rockettes line. And that's before Snoopy even starts to dance!


Clearly I havent...i demand you escort me to my own private showing! Mein heir

364 He's dead, Jim  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:35:59pm

#337 Pragmatist

Why would I need to demonstrate my admiration of the French government over the last 10-20 years?

Nothing they have done particularily impresses me and a great deal I find utterly offensive, but what is curious is why you think anything would have, based on what I have written here. Can you explain the logic that would get you there?

Because you jumped hip-deep into this thread, which is for the most part composed of people who specifically object to French foreign policy over the past few decades, and made it apparent that anyone who might find a commercial playing up that same sentiment is beneath you. So I surmised that your contempt comes not from simple disdain for one who might find humor in any advertisement, but rather for the opinions which might drive the finding of humor in this advertisement.

And you've completely misunderstood the point about Madison Avenue. I admire good targetted advertising. It's smart, it's effective, it generates returns. How is that viewpoint Marx-esque?

Because only an adherent of Marx's unique brand of faith would combine a "scathing indictment" of the fast food industry (so popular on the left these days - bet you loved "Supersize Me!") with a counter-accusatory "agitprop" label.

That marketing campaign, although effective because it would appeal to the sodium addicted lumps of lard who make up the rump of the company's target market, is about as funny as your average piece of Cox and Forkum agitprop.

Besides, you are spending your time bashing people who hold their own in a point on point debate, but instead you are always redirecting or cherrypicking. Agitprop, indeed.

365 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:36:07pm

Why do trolls always leave so soon?

I will now garble an Oscar Wilde quote: "The cigarette is the most perfect pleasure: it is exquisite, and it leaves me wanting more."

366 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:38:11pm

#363 Atlas

You have to ask Snoopy for that. He doesn't give freebies. Watch out for his "oh, I have an itch on my belly" trick.

367 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:38:56pm

# 360

what propaganda...do you even watch Fox?

A lot. It's hilarious. Impossible to parody, because the original is so outrageous.

They have the same number of Dem pundits as Republican pundits. Have the thought police deemed it unconstitutional to present both sides?

Even a Randinista such as yourself should be able to understand that Rupert Murdoch is a very smart man and knows exactly what he's doing. He is the absolute master of targetted media outlets. FoxNews is the reactionary, populist arm of his American media empire, and is enormously biased. If it wasn't it wouldn't be nearly as effective or valuable to its proprieters.

You aren't living under the delusion that it lives up to its slogan are you?

It's a brilliant product. Utterly brilliant. But as an objectively judged news source, it is horrible to almost North Korean proportions. That isn't to say that ALL news outlets aren't biased to a degree, they are. However, FoxNews leans so far that it requires scaffolding to keep it from toppling over.

368 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:39:07pm

365 Pookleblinky

I will now garble an Oscar Wilde quote: "The cigarette is the most perfect pleasure: it is exquisite, and it leaves me wanting more."


are you sure it was cigarette ?

369 Catttt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:39:41pm

Parting shot, in the spirit of fun, and then off to bed:

"I just love the French. They taste like chicken!" -- Hannibal Lecter

370 Lark  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:40:08pm

I notice they didn't sue for slander or libel - this is a lawsuit designed NOT to correct slander or libel. Truth is on Carl's side - is it illegal to publish the truth, however unflattering? They'd like it to be, apparently.

This suit is designed to make the kind of laws they have in the EU, where saying something 'offensive' might get you jail time.

And why shouldn't they think it might be worth their time to push this? We already are well on our way with 'hate-crime' legislation.

371 mika.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:41:44pm

#360 AtlasShrugged

How do you know it not a Ahab? I have a gut feeling our forked tounge guest just might be practicing a form of taqqiya. And me gut feeling is seldom wrong about his type.

372 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:42:39pm

#368 Atlas

Yes I'm sure it was a cigarette. Too bad I don't smoke, I can never be a true objectivist :(

Smegmaticus! I may not be chivalrous, but you just picked on the wrong woman. Hope she rips you a new ass.

373 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:44:14pm

#361 Cattt

tis true, but the LGF Troll Recovery program is here when he/she is ready.

#366 pookleblinky

"Watch out for his "oh, I have an itch on my belly" trick."


immediately followed by the leg *cough* hugging trick. Snoopy is, after all, a get around hound.

374 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:48:38pm

I will now level several ad hominem attacks and a few tu quoque attacks at Smegmaticus. But I am too lazy to type them. So he and anyone reading this must imagine my responses. Sorry about that.

375 hepcat  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:48:52pm

OT...HERE WE GO AGAIN:
Kerry Lawyer Seeks Ohio Ballot Inspection

COLUMBUS, Ohio - Democrat John Kerry is asking county elections officials to allow his witnesses to inspect the 92,000 ballots cast in Ohio in which no vote for president was recorded, a Kerry lawyer said Sunday night.

The request is one of 11 the Kerry campaign made in a letter sent over the weekend to Ohio's 88 county boards of election, which will begin recounting presidential ballots this week.

376 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:48:56pm

# 364

Why so precious about the fast food industry? Don't like to tell it how it is?

Many of them are brilliantly run businesses. Most of the food that they sell, however, is pretty dreadful shit that isn't very good for you no matter how much you try to skew the picture. I find their advertising especially insipid and manipulative (McDonalds in particular), but once again, that's just the agencies doing a good job.

It's people's own fault if they shovel the crap in like there's no tomorrow and I would never want it proscribed, but it needn't be a sort of no-go zone to be critical of the poor, poor fast food industry.

Supersize Me was pretty good fun, and I though the school cafeteria stuff was very interesting.

377 garnier  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:50:54pm

#359 J Pickens: "Sorry, Garnier.
While Charlemagne may be considered a French king, he was born in Germany of German and French parents, and ruled an area much larger than France, from Aux la chapelle, in Germany."

No need to apologize.

The Merovingians and Carolingians didn't exist in a world of "France" and "Germany" or "French" ad "German" as you are using the terms.

The Franks are as germanic a tribe as the Alemans or Thuringians, Saxons, Burgundians, or Lombards. And, yes, this King of the Franks did rule over ALL the other german tribes in Allemania or in what is now Germany which would seem to reinforce my point, not yours.

France was, at this time, the most powerful kingdom in the West.

378 He's dead, Jim  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:51:47pm

#367 Agitpropist

You must be joking...

But as an objectively judged news source, it is horrible to almost North Korean proportions

Right, and the Patriot Act has taken away your civil liberties, Bush=Hitler, No War for Oil!, Diebold! and all that...give me a break.

Unless you speak Hangul and have access to some little-known North Korean evening news feed, how can you objectively make this comparison? The answer: you are not, it's just more propaganda.

The painful part for most of us here is that you are obviously well educated; it's just too bad no one taught you how to think for yourself.

/Bones out

379 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:51:53pm

Pragmaticus is:

* Packing the frank
* Painting the door
* Parallel parking
* Parking (the car, the bus, the Audi)
* Parking the beef bus in Tuna Town
* Parking the pink Plymouth
* Parting the beef curtain
* Parting the Pink Sea
* Passing the gravy
* Paying the rent
* Peeling your best end
* Performing carnal gymnastics
* Phallicizing
* Picnicking in the lawn
* Piece of ass, getting a
* Piecein' it
* Pigging
* Planting a man
* Planting your seed
* Playing at in-and-out
* Playing at tops-and-bottoms
* Playing cars and garages
* Playing doctor
* Playing hanky panky
* Playing hide the hot Dog
* Playing hide the pickle
* Playing hide the weenie
* Playing hide the salami
* Playing on the hair court
* Playing pickle-me, tickle-me
* Playing the slots
* Playing the squeezebox
* Playing tiddlywinks
* Playing post office
* Plooking
* Plowing
* Plug and playing
* Plugging
* Plugging the beef lodge
* Plugging the main cable into her love socket
* Pocketing the stake
* Poking
* Poking in the whiskers
* Poking the bearded triangle
* Poking the pie
* Pole jumping
* Polishing the jewel
* Popping it in
* Popping one off
* Porking
* Pounding
* Pounding the porch
* Pounding the puppy
* Praying with the knees upward
* Probing the membrane
* Professional wrestling
* Pulping the garbage
* Pumping
* Punching the ape
* Punching the chipmunk
* Putting a bun in the oven
* Putting the bee in the hive
* Putting the boots to someone
* Putting the devil in Hell (from Boccaccio's 14th-century novel The Decameron)
* Putting your root down
* Putting your snake in the grass
* Putting sour cream in the burrito
* Putting the candle in the pumpkin
* Putting the devil into Hell
* Putting the "Lew" in Lewinsky
* Putting the puppy in the dog house

Damn I love Wikipedia. This will be funnier because Pragmaticus has no sense of humor.

380 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:54:03pm

#374 pookleblinky

"I will now level several ad hominem attacks and a few tu quoque attacks at Smegmaticus. But I am too lazy to type them. So he and anyone reading this must imagine my responses. Sorry about that. "

PB...

1. ooh, that'll leave a mark.
2. wow, I didn't know you could produce that result with a hula hoop, wesson oil, and a pair of plyers.
3. Now that was just over the top... I had to stand on a ladder to get it.
4. Oh, my, I blush with embarassment.
5. As Catbert would say, I purr in your general direction.

PB. You are the master artisan.

381 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:57:00pm

#380 Skippy

I'm glad you appreciate the skill and dedication I put into my work. However, I only want one person reading this thread to become incontinent with laughter.

*Did it work?*

382 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:57:19pm

#379 We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

I fell off my chair I was laughing so hard. Oh my sides hurt!

383 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:57:44pm

#367 Pragmatass

what propaganda...do you even watch Fox?
A lot. It's hilarious. Impossible to parody, because the original is so outrageous.
Hilarious? Parody? Brit Hume? Fred Barnes? Not nearly as hilarious as CNN's anchors holding back tears when Florida and Ohio were valled. I have yet to see an instance of biased fraudulant reporting as a mater of practice at The New York Times or CBS news or the deliberate silence that CNN maintained when they had full knowledge of Saddam's atrocities but did not want to lose "access" Listen to what I a, saying.

They have the same number of Dem pundits as Republican pundits. Have the thought police deemed it unconstitutional to present both sides?
According to Accuracy in Media NO OTHER NEWS CHANNEL has such an equal proportion of left to right pundits. FACT!
Even a Randinista such as yourself should be able to understand that Rupert Murdoch is a very smart man and knows exactly what he's doing.
What is Mr. Murdoch doing? Holding a gin to the heads of the American public and demanding they wartch FOX. The American people are dog tired of being force fed the same left wing Anti-American tripe for the past 30 years. Walter Cronkite, the most trusted man in America, was a wild lefty!

He is the absolute master of targetted media outlets. FoxNews is the reactionary, populist arm of his American media empire, and is enormously biased. If it wasn't it wouldn't be nearly as effective or valuable to its proprieters.
Be a pragmatist. The American people are CHOOSING Fox. the Voice of Reason. Every other news channel beats the left wing drum, but FOX has the most viewers perhaps becuase they find it more fair and balanced...which I do not find in any part of your positioning sir. Even the implication that Rove and Ailes are in cahoots is the ravings of a madman.

You aren't living under the delusion that it lives up to its slogan are you? I pride myself on not being delusion or "feeling" something is right or wrong. I do my homework, I dig for all the facts, all the back up and then make a determination.

It's a brilliant product. Utterly brilliant. But as an objectively judged news source, it is horrible to almost North Korean proportions. That isn't to say that ALL news outlets aren't biased to a degree, they are. However, FoxNews leans so far that it requires scaffolding to keep it from toppling over.

Sorry Bud, you've lost all cred. It's brilliant in its format - its product is news. And unlike the left they dont make it up to advance their agenda. North Korea? Uh thank your boy Clinton for that abortion.
Get thee to a hardware store, you got a few screws loose bro.

ph and you lie like a rug, there is no way you a FOX viewer

384 superdawg  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:57:57pm

#238 dak

Thx!

385 LC LaWedgie  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:57:59pm

Sum latin:
ahem...

O si billi,
si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O nobili, demis trux
Si vats enim, causen dux.

Speaking of cows and ducks, that frog "miquelon.org" site has a page what it done calls da duck files:

Wednesday December 1st, 2004
This week's Canard has a short item about the close relationship between Ivory Coast's leader Laurent Gbagbo and their religious guru Moïse Koré and the state of Israël. Gbagbo and his wife Simone are devout members of the American Protestant Church, the Four Square Gospel, and believe strongly that the jewish people will convert to christianity at the second coming of Christ.
This close tie to their religious leader might explain for example why Israeli agents were spotted in Anti-French demonstrations in Abidjan and why Israeli Drones were spotted in the skies before military attacks against Northern Rebel forces. The Gbagbo's guru, Moïse, often travels to the United-States and Israël and has provided them an opportunity to initiate a new cooperation that has the raised the ire of the French Government who's troops are trying to maintain peace between Rebel Forces and the Gbagbo Government.

Sounds racist to me.

386 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:58:53pm

#381, I dont' know, and I'm not going to check for you ;-)

387 zombie  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:58:58pm
#346 Throbert McGee
One of the most controversial of all human-ancestry theories is that Australian Aborigines (are you ready for this?) are not even homo sapiens sapiens!
[...]
The controversy comes in, of course, since this implies that they are not quite human, just... living Neanderthal-contemporaries of a sort.

Wince.

Pssst, Zombie -- this is a really really inflammatory post

Hey, I was merely noting that the theory exists -- I wasn't endorsing it. In fact, I specifically failed to endorse it. But it is an au courant (if controversial) theory, even among some mainstream anthropologists. If I were to say "The Hutus and the Tutsis think of each other as sub-human," that wouldn't be very PC if I endorsed one view or the other, but to merely mention the existence of the outré beliefs is not in and of itself inflammatory.

My personal take is that we are all descended from a mixture of first out-migration and second out-migration hominids co-mingled together. It's just not believable that there was never any hanky-panky between different hominid groups as they encountered each other over the millennia. A horny teenage Cro-Magnon boy takes one look at a well-built naked adolescent Neanderthal girl bending over to pick berries -- well, you can guess the rest. Multiply that by 10,000 springtimes and you've got evolution in action.

388 mika.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:59:39pm

#378 He's dead, Jim

The painful part for most of us here is that you are obviously well educated; it's just too bad no one taught you how to think for yourself.


Emotional programing. And no amount of intellect can best it.

389 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 7:59:45pm

"Smegmaticus!" he roars before a crowd packed into the Coliseum. "Did I not tell you you she would rip you a new one?"

390 Bubble Girl  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:03:21pm

Garnier -


France was, at this time, the most powerful kingdom in the West.
391 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:04:25pm

# 378

it's just too bad no one taught you how to think for yourself.

You say this because you have taken offence to my summation of FoxNews!? FoxNews!?!

C'mon now!

As I've said, Rupert knows what he is doing!

This is the man behind Page 3 girls, "Headless Body in Topless Bar" and deeming a station like FoxNews "fair and balanced"!

You don't understand that media is just like any other product? That it comes in different flavors for different markets? That the sober tones of Rupert's own Times of London wouldn't cut it for the Scott Petersen obsessed who make up FoxNews's viewership?

Why this insane naivete? Don't you think the people who run this carnival know exactly what they are doing?

392 Bubble Girl  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:04:44pm

Garnier-

Pardon moi, what happened to the French empire?

393 Sarah D.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:05:39pm

So, what's up all? I see troll droppings.

Yeech.

394 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:07:14pm

Sarah, you have to scroll back. PookleBlinky is in rare form tonight... it is worth the time. I'm still holding my sides from laughing so hard.

395 JimmyTheClaw  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:08:41pm

#376 Pragmaticus 12/12/2004 09:48PM PST

ok heres my 13 pieces of silvers worth on the fast food business. if you dont like it dont eat there. i dont like genesee beer no amount of advertising will change my mind hence i dont drink it. as for ciggs i remember winston tastes good like a ciggarette should, too many taxes on em i roll my own for 70 cents a pack. as for the frenchi cant stand french style ultra cholesteral buttery milky cheesy garbage I prefer mcdonadls double grease burger. and finally if fast food is sooo bad why the heck are our fast food chains being franchised worldwide. as for the french being a race is like saying they have superior aircraft carriers.

/did i say that out loud
remember who the real insidious neocons are think chirac, annan, soros, el bardi, the fraudi arabians, [someone else fill in the blanks] sorry i just hate people who like to spread the great lie

396 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:09:08pm

#391 Pragma -pus


"Headless man found in topless bar"

THE GREATEST TABLOID HEADLINE EVER WRITTEN
you schmuck! I am a great newspaper woman...


PIMF on the last post, I never checked and couldnt type fast enough

397 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:12:22pm

"Smegmaticus!" he roars in a bar, causing a sudden stillness.


The path of the LIZARD is beset on all sides by the inequities of the trolls and the TYRANNY of moonbats. BLESSED is he who, in the name of vodka and pizza, shepherds the WEAK through the valley of the indymedia. For Charles is TRULY his brother's keeper and the finder of lost lizards. And he will STRIKE DOWN upon thee with great vengeance and FURIOUS anger those who attempt to POISON and DESTROY our lizards. And you will KNOW he is the Lizard King when he lays his VENGEANCE upon you.

Thanks Carridine! My pseudo-evangelical rant needed your aesthetic sense of emphasis

398 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:13:12pm

# 396

I know it's a great headline! That's my point!

El Rupe knows what he's doing. FoxNews isn't the way it is by accident. It's a carefully designed, well packaged product designed to appeal to a certain sector of the market.

It's not my fault that that sector is made up largely of mouth breathers.

399 He's dead, Jim  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:15:17pm

#376 Pragmatist

Nothing precious about the fast food industry at all: I don't eat it, but that's because I choose not to.

I agree that their marketing is slick and effective; so is advertising for deodorant, but you are not railing against Speed Stick. You have bought into (or are part of) the rising tide of fast-food criticism being pushed by the agitators on the far left; a similar tide is rising against the drug indsutry.

Guess what? Unike the average North Korean (whose suffering you demean by your rediculous Fox News comparison) you can chose to eat fast food or not, and you can choose to take medications that might indeed have side effects, but that might also save your life.

No one makes the "average" American fat and fast-food adicted but themselves. They have every opportunity to inform themselves or to make other choices. They have chosen other priorities.

That is where Marx's critique of capitalism rings most true; the collective irrationality of free societies. People become fat through a series of bad choices that they freely make. They stay fat because they prefer doing something easy in their spare time (like watch TV) to doing something hard (like exercise).

When talking about in ivory towers or trendy coffee shops, it's easy to blame those in the position of percieved power, the corporations. But I guarantee you one thing: it sure beats reeducation camp.

/Bones out, for good. night all.

400 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:18:14pm

#396 AtlasShrugged We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

#397 We're not worthy! We're not worthy! And thanks for the laughs... you are a genius!

401 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:18:52pm

#391 Prag


You don't understand that media is just like any other product? That it comes in different flavors for different markets? That the sober tones of Rupert's own Times of London wouldn't cut it for the Scott Petersen obsessed who make up FoxNews's viewership?

Why this insane naivete? Don't you think the people who run this carnival know exactly what they are doing?


Dpn't you understand? That the MSM, the media elite, every news outlet but FOX is espousing the left wing political agenda (read BIAS - Goldberg's 28 years at CBS). What flavor? Why is conservative talk radio so huge? and that tiny Voice of America such a joke. BECUASE FINALLY THE PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE! They couldn't choose before fox came along because there were no ther options.Itwas the same crowd of elites parroting the same lefty line. As soon as there was a voice of reason and truth, the flood gates opened. How do you not see this?
Scott Peterson c'mon. O J Simspon? Alfred Blloomindale? Stanford White? Lizzie Bordan for G-d's sake. Whats that got to do with WW1V? And the realities on the ground and the grave global chess moves being played while you circle jerk

402 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:19:37pm

Vincent: And you know what they call a... a... a Quarter Pounder with Cheese in Paris?
Jules: They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?
Vincent: No man, they got the metric system. They wouldn't know what the fuck a Quarter Pounder is.
Jules: Then what do they call it?
Vincent: They call it a "Royale" with cheese.
Jules: A "Royale" with cheese. What do they call a Big Mac?
Vincent: Well, a Big Mac's a Big Mac, but they call it "le Big-Mac".
Jules: "Le Big-Mac". Ha ha ha ha. What do they call a Whopper?
Vincent: I dunno, I didn't go into Burger King.

403 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:21:01pm

#371 Mika

Good point

404 fiery celt  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:21:46pm

O/T
Why am not surprised by this---

Turkish Prime Minister warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership

RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN, the Turkish Prime Minister, has told European Union leaders that they will pay a heavy price in continued and escalating violence from Islamic extremists if the EU rejects Turkey as a member and confirms itself as a Christian club.
“Accepting a country that has brought together Islam and democracy will bring about harmony between civilisations. If, on the other hand, it is not welcomed, the world will have to put up with the present situation,” he said, referring to terrorism by such groups as al-Qaeda — whose local affiliates hit Turkey last year, bombing the British consulate and three other targets in Istanbul.



“That is the very clear and present danger and it is all around us today. There is nothing we can do if the EU feels that it can live with being simply a Christian club . . . but if these countries burn their bridges with the rest of the world, history will not forgive them.”

Mr Erdogan’s powerful warning came just days before the EU summit that will decide whether to start formal accession talks with Turkey and against a furious European debate about the effects of incorporating Turkey’s 70 million, mainly Muslim, population into the Union.

He was speaking before opening Istanbul’s first modern art museum — an event he had ordered to be brought forward from early next year to help to project a modern image of his country ahead of the summit. After knocking on the EU’s doors for four decades, Turkey is painfully aware that it is viewed abroad as a poor and backward country and that, despite its secular constitution, much of the West is currently afraid of its Muslim tradition.

Mr Erdogan is a declared “conservative democrat”, but his background as an Islamic firebrand has led to so many questions that his face broke into a “not again” smile at the mere mention of the problem. ...

Why do I expect the EUropeans to roll over and go dhimmi, on this issue---?

405 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:22:33pm

#379 Pookleblinky

only you give good belly laugh

406 Smith Space Technologies  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:22:34pm

I think I had a heart attack before I busted a gut! ;-D LOL

Sure I could go anywhere with this one but I have one question does French soldiers have the same code of honor?

I don't think so. Do you?

There is no hell. There is only France. (Charles I thank you)

Embassy of France in the US - The French Foreign Legion

[Link: www.info-france-usa.org...]

THE LEGIONNAIRE'S CODE OF HONOR

1. Legionnaire : you are a volunteer serving France faithfully and with honor.

2. Every Legionnaire is your brother-at-arms, irrespective of his nationality, race or creed. You will demonstrate this by an unwavering and straight forward solidarity which must always bind together members of the same family.

3. Respectful of the Legion's traditions, honoring your superiors, discipline and comradeship are your strength, courage and loyalty your virtues.

4. Proud of your status as a legionnaire, you will display this pride, by your turnout, always impeccable, your behavior, ever worthy, though modest, your living-quarters, always tidy.

5. An elite soldier : you will train vigorously, you will maintain your weapons as if it were your most precious possession, you will keep your body in the peak of condition, always fit.

6. A mission once given to you becomes sacred to you, you will accomplish it to the end and at all costs.

7. In combat : you will act without relish of your tasks, or hatred ; you will respect the vanquished enemy and will never abandon neither your wounded nor your dead, nor will you under any circumstances surrender your arms.


Embassy of France in the United States - February 26, 2001

407 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:24:51pm

#401

As soon as there was a voice of reason and truth, the flood gates opened. How do you not see this?

You think reactionary populism in the media is a new thing?

Never heard of Hearst? No, not Patty, but her grandfather William.

"Reason and truth"!?!

Rush Limbaugh!?

Reason and truth?

FoxNews!?

Reason and truth?

This is just insane!

What you have described is merely right wing bias in counter to left wing bias. It's hardly "reason and truth".

As I've said, it's all about positioning. Reason and truth have very little to do with it.

408 garnier  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:25:18pm

#392

Hi Bubble Girl.

Well the short version is the Kings of France reduced the power of the French nobility to strengthen the centralized royal authority, and spent a fortune underwriting the American Revolution.

When a short term slump hit the economy, the leftist revolutionaries killed the King and took over the country basically killing anyone they wanted to in anticipation of the left wing revolutions of later centuries.

The nobility had been uprooted from their land and forced to live in Paris so they lacked their local military followers to fight the leftists.

That's how the real France died. Vive la Roi Louis XX!

My ancestors then took up military careers in the British, and Holy Roman Imperial armies. C'est la vie.

409 Bubble Girl  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:28:06pm

#391

There can be an agreement that news agencies are entirely subjective and agenda biased. Yet some activities of late from the leadership of France has transcended even the best of all media spin.

It wasn't the media who welcomed Arafat into their country for medical treatment, or at least a place to die where the circumstances of his death could remain shrouded. The behavior of the French down on the Ivory Coast was not media generated, nor has the been the cutting remarks from Chirac about our motivations while monies were being exchanged in vast sums from illegal enterprises reaching all the way to the top or almost the top of the French leadership.

The connection between France's overwhelming non-support of the removal of Saddamm has now been revealed as no more than the fear of discovery of the participation in the UN Oil For Food Scam.

You can blame it on Fox News or on Madison Avenue which is your prerogative. We prefer much more substantiative evidence of malfeasance before reaching conclusions.

410 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:28:12pm

#405 Atlas

I will have to try harder, then.

Here is the general progression of a thread:

Announcer: And now for the stock market report by Exchange Telegraph.
Reporter: Trading was crisp at the start of the day, with some brisk business on the floor. Rubber hardened and string remained confident. Little bits of tin consolidated, although biscuits sank after an early gain and stools remained anonymous. Armpits rallied well after a poor start. Nipples rose dramatically during the morning but had declined by mid afternoon, while teeth clenched and buttocks remained firm. Small dark furry things increased severely on the floor, whilst rude jellies wobbled up and down and bounced against rising thighs which had spread to all parts of the country by mid afternoon. After lunch, naughty things dipped sharply, forcing giblets upwards with the nicky nacky noo. Ting tang tong rankled dithely, little tipples pooped and poppy things went pong. Gibble gabble gobble went the rickety rackety roo...
~Monty Python's Flying Circus~

411 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:30:25pm

I think I just gave myself a hernia!

412 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:30:54pm

#396 Pragmapus

I know it's a great headline! That's my point!

I see gp greatness is a bad thing. Being the best at what one does is contemptable...
Ypu are indeed a lost cause.You know its a great headline and therein lies the problem?

You shall be a great success becuase you aspire to mediocrity and in this you will be one of the greats (oxymoron?)

413 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:31:51pm

411 are you surprised?

You have been the voice of true LGF 'insanity' on this thread... well met!

414 TnRighty  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:33:03pm

Methinks that our troll fully displayed it's true plumage for all to see in it's #367, in which the word "Randinista" was tossed into the collective punch bowl.

It's been a few years since high school Latin, and it was in a local NEA indoctrination camp at that, but I don't think pragmaticus translates to "looter." The McLuhan-esque arguments are good though.

415 Bubble Girl  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:34:29pm

Bonjour Garnier, Merci pour votre addition de l'extrémité de l'empire français. Comment avez-vous appris tellement de votre ancestory ? Il est très fascinant !

416 JimmyTheClaw  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:36:00pm

hey pragmaticus you gotta stop drinking the kool aid. try when it comes to grand conspiracies thinking of occams razor. and no i wont explain if you dont know what it is google it

417 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:36:06pm

# 409

I'm not blaming anything on FoxNews or MadAv.

I'm just pointing out a simple fact: FoxNews is a product designed to appeal to its target market. It is highly selective in what it beats the table about. All media is, but FoxNews takes its smorgasbord approach to dizzying heights, reached by few other outlets.

I'll lay incredulity rather than blame at the feet of people who are stupid enough to fall for the line "fair and balanced", however.

With regards to the French government, as I've said a number of times now, their dealings have often been ultra-shabby, and continue to be so. Where have I said differently?

418 Cornholio  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:36:27pm

#379 pookleblinky

* Putting sour cream in the burrito
* Putting the "Lew" in Lewinsky

Hahahahaha. Reading LGF does wonders for my vocabulary :-)

419 Bubble Girl  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:36:35pm

Hello Pookle -

I just came into the end of this thread and I see you have been quite manic. Have you been into the sugar, caffeine, or any other white substances this evening? Funny boy!

420 Lewis  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:36:48pm

#407 Prag

What you have described is merely right wing bias in counter to left wing bias. It's hardly "reason and truth".

Yeah, we had "reason and truth" in the MSM before those arrogant upstarts at FOX came along, didn't we?

No?

Well, continue biatching about FOX anyway, as if a counterweight to the leftist slant of the major networks isn't a good thing.

Or perhaps you think PBS and NPR are the fonts from which "reason and truth" spring?

Whatever. I'm going to bed. Y'all play nice, now.

421 mjk  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:36:53pm

I always wanted to go to France. You know, see the Louvre, Effel Tower, etc, etc. But I never will. Why, you may ask?
Because this "mouth breather" (as it was so charmingly put) will never set foot in the country that man died in in November. Because I will never set foot in a country that swayed whatever way the political winds blew in the whole of Europe. Because I will never set foot in a country that is obviously so full of Anti Semitism and ignorance that it is practically back in the middle ages. Because I will never set foot in a country where the leader of said country will not go to mourn Ronald Reagan but will mourn that man, a ruthless Palestinian terrorist who murdered babies and families without remorse.
Many other European countries have expressed remorse over and over because of their complicity in the Holocaust. France never really has. Or if they have, my goodwill to that country disappeared when they let that man set foot in their country. I don't care if people find that ignorant or prejudiced or whatever their issue is, I have actual morals that I stand by. And I am not sorry for it either.

422 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:37:36pm

#411 Pookleblinky

Spontaneous Combustible Hernias
sort of like a mutual orgasm

423 Duke Newcombe  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:38:54pm

Racist or not, French-bashing was tedious and old, the day before yesterday.

If I get one more lame "French rifle for sale, never fired, only dropped once" joke email I'm going to go and join the French Foreign Legion out of spite. French jokes are just "Bush looks like a chimp" jokes for right-wingers. Awfully popular with their target audiences, yet a moment's critical analysis yields the inescapable conclusion: not funny. Not funny the first 1,000,000 times, and not funny the 1,000,001st time either...

And who says the French aren't a race? My COD defines "race" as

1. each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics. - racial origin or distinction. - an ethnic group. - a group descended from a common ancestor.

The French are an ethnic group aren't they?

424 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:40:02pm

#416

Alright, Jimmy let's use Occam's Razor, shall we?

Roger Ailes was a Nixon staffer.
Roger Ailes was a Reagan staffer.
Roger Ailes was a G.H.W. Bush staffer.

Now, get out Occam's Razor, and tell me...

...what pole of politics do you think he'd lean towards?

Gee, that's a tough one, isn't it?

425 SkippyMoment  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:40:15pm

All, I've had a great time LMAO tonight. Heading off to bed.
Have a great week.

Atlas... I think you've reached a point of diminishing return with the troll. You really know how to kick a$$.

Have a good one.

426 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:40:18pm

#419 Bubbles

Angus Podgorney: Then you mean...
Detective Inspector: Yes.
Angus Podgorney: But...?
Detective Inspector: How?
Angus Podgorney: Yes.
Detective Inspector: Well...
Angus Podgorney: Not...!
Detective Inspector: I'm afraid so.
Angus Podgorney: Why?
Detective Inspector: Who knows?
Angus Podgorney: Do you think...?
Detective Inspector: Could be.
Angus Podgorney: But...
Detective Inspector: I know.
Angus Podgorney: She was...
Detective Inspector: Yes.
Angus Podgorney: Oh, man.

Only insomnia and the hope I can make a woman incontinent with laughter.

427 JimmyTheClaw  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:41:13pm

pragmaticus
you dont by chance believe the Davinci Code book was based on fact do you?

428 Darleen  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:43:05pm

Praggy-boy

Well, with the "mouth breather" comment you sewed it up...

What wonderful elitism...

Just how shiney are those jack-boots in your closet?

429 TnRighty  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:43:45pm

Nice try phragmatacuth. Work on this one from Pat Conroy:
G*d is love
Love is blind
Ray Charles is blind
G*d is...?

430 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:44:08pm

# 427

Jeezus, Jimmy, it isn't Illuminati-like to point out that Roger Ailes is a right winger.

I'm not even sure that you know who he is, to tell you the truth. I know you'll Google the name in about 3 seconds, but something tells me that you don't have a clue.

431 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:45:24pm

#407 pragma=pus

hink reactionary populism in the media is a new thing?

Never heard of Hearst? No, not Patty, but her grandfather William.
How owned every paper in every market. Hearst was practically a monopoly, this is not even a 10 cousin removed to a comparison. This is a wild and diverse marketplace and FOX is leading because it is not one sided. Look at the Blue/Red Map BY COUNTY and then I'll buy you the smelling salts to get you off the floor.

"Reason and truth"!?! ABSOLUTMONT

Rush Limbaugh!? GENIUS!

Reason and truth? ABSOUMONT

FoxNews!? FAIR AND BALANCED, presents both sides, a refrreshing change which is why you have obviously suffered a grand mal seizure. Becuase it's like nothing that has ever happened in netwrok news = FAIR

Reason and truth? ABSOLUTMONT

This is just insane! Dpnt be hard on yourself

What you have described is merely right wing bias in counter to left wing bias. It's hardly "reason and truth".

As I've said, it's all about positioning. Reason and truth have very little to do with it.
And as I've said it's a very diverse marketplace and Murdocj is not holding a gun to the American people's heads. More people have tried to bring doen this upstart Foz than Karzai

432 JimmyTheClaw  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:45:25pm

truthfully never heard of him. dont think i ever seen him interviewed either. tell me what makes you hate the US sooo much to buy into these neocon conspiracy theories.

433 ördög Johnson  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:46:41pm

#252 zombie 12/12/2004 08:14PM PST

Zombie, not sure who came up with that stuff, but there are many factual errors. Not that there are not blank spots in the knowledge, but that does not mean they should be filled with crap.

1.Archeological evidence shows that Aborigines migrated to Australia approximately 65,000 BCE, not 100k's.

2.The current modern human morphology (with some variances) has been 'fixed' at about 120,000 BCE. That is supported by archeological evidence as well and by mitochondrial DNA. There are some misgivings about the presumed rate of mitochondrial DNA mutations, but that would not be in the 100k range, just +- 10,000's. So, depending on the rate, the point of origin would be somewhere between 120,000 BCE and 160,000 BCE, as some anthropologists point out that the modern morphology present in SA finds needs some time to manifest. Coincidentially, the 160,000 BCE boundary is the lower boundary for the introduction of Homo sapiens neanderthalis, that emerged from their precursor.
The trail is there. Unfortunately, we have no idea what the ancestor of Homo sapiens sapiens was. Maybe Homo erectus was there at remote point in time, but no one can say for certain. There is a huge gap that does seem to induce conjectures only, almost 300,000 years.

3.The differences in morphology of late HSN and HSS of the Cro-Magnon type are rather interesting. HSNs were rather stocky in built, their femurs display about 60% more girth. The HSSs were rather gracile in comparison. The skulls differences—HSN carried the occipical ridge from their ancestors and a heavier, bony brow ridge, beside the front of the face being projected forward—our faces are rather flat in comparison. The HSN cranium was flatter and elongated along front/back plane, vs HSSs move vaulted and shorter cranium. But, the cranial capacity was about the same—average 1650 ccm. Now, interestingly, the average today is 1450 ccm. It is not entirely clear what happened—where the 200 ccm went, but about the end of the last interglacial, the less brainy HSS type seems to be the prevalent kind.
The Aborigines belong to our 1450 ccm group. Perhaps there was some advantage that this type of HSS has been established about 12,500 BCE. Thus, it is true that Aborigines were one of the early migrants, preceding the Cro-Magnon migrations by about 20,000 years, but the are OUR type, the small-brains.

4.The Aborigines are, perhaps, closest to the original ancestral stock. The curious fact that the children have straight blondish hair, which in puberty is replaced by black kinky hair is such an indication. These traits have been later pronounced/selected in other migrati that splintered later. Once again, I stress the fact that Aborigines belong to our type. They have nothing in common with HSN, except some ancestry in remote abyss of time.

5.They were the first explorers. The picture of a seafaring-able boat, that has been found, has been dated to 55,000 BCE. There has been even some speculations that one of their groups/migrations reached shores of South America at about 45,000 BCE. (I don't want to go there, only to say that the evidence seems to support that speculation). They have odd bits of knowledge that seem to indicate that they were a remnant of some earlier group of people with some modicum of civilization. They are also matrilineal, not matriarchal, which seems to be the earliest form of rganization of human groups. It is simply the pragmatic realization that the mother-is-always-certain thing. They have an elaborate scheme of who can marry whom, which betrays some knowledge of genetics.

434 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:47:29pm

402 Pookleblinky

That was the only scene I dug in that movie
that and the dance scene of course
but i could do that body twist better than uma

uma oprah uma oprah

435 Bubble Girl  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:47:54pm

#417

In earlier you posts you alluded to the festival of french bashing here as being linked to Fox News. What is the linkage?

As a Latina I was very displeased when a very small group, less than the fingers on one hand, complained about Warner Brother's Speedy Gonzales cartoons. They claimed the cartoons were negative stereotyping of Mexicans and should be removed from the public. Warner Brothers did exactly that, they shelved the cartoons. Cartoons, that I and any other Mexicans I know loved. We were not consulted, it was the braying of these few individuals whose sensibilities were offended.

If the story of the French being offended by the Carl Jr's ad is truly a partial story whipped up by Fox to throw more ammo onto the French dissing, then shame on them. You were correct when you discussed how the media, through half truths and distortions generates a new story of the "reaction".

436 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:49:50pm

#431 Atlas

I agree with skippy. Although I have held up your rear end, you are using the wrong tool for the job. Sophistry is no match for a good laugh. Allow me to demonstrate:

Veronica Smalls: Hello, last week on "Party Hints" I showed you how to make a small plate of goulash go round 26 people, how to get the best out of your canapés, and how to unblock your loo. This week I'm going to tell you what to do if there is an armed communist uprising near your home when you're having a party. Well obviously it'll depend how far you've got with your party when the signal for Red Revolt is raised. If you're just having preliminary aperitifs - Dubonnet, a sherry or a sparkling white wine - then the guests will obviously be in a fairly formal mood and it will be difficult to tell which are the communist agitators. So the thing to do is to get some cloth and some bits of old paper, put it down on the floor, and shoot everybody. This will deal with the Red Menace on your own doorstep. If you're having canapés, as I showed you last week, or an outdoor barbecue, then the thing to do is set fire to all the houses in the street. This will stir up anti-communist hatred and your neighbours will be right with you as you organize counter-revolutionary terror. So you see, if you act promptly enough, any left-wing uprising can be dealt with by the end of the party. Bye!

See? My double entendres will go over the humorless troll's head, and we'll all laugh at such blatant "bias."

437 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:53:44pm

# 435

One of FoxNews's dronish leitmotifs is constant quips about "those French" and so on.

I don't know if they've picked up on this one yet, but if I know my good ol' FoxNews, the two idiots on the morning show and the woman who is desperately fighting to stop the camera peeking up her skirt will be crapping on about it at some stage.

438 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:55:10pm

# 432

Jimmy, simply put, you don't actually have a clue what you are arguing about, then.

439 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:58:20pm
the woman who is desperately fighting to stop the camera peeking up her skirt will be crapping on about it at some stage.

Anyone notice a degradation of his argumentative abilities?

440 JimmyTheClaw  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 8:58:39pm

and to compare past working experiences to how somebody leans politically is like saying that since i worked at mcdonalds and now work at burger king the food is made exactly the same. see these attacks dont work on a guy who once marched against the re-opening of three mile island while claiming that reagan will cause a nuclear war, someone who at one time while young and foolish bought into all the conspiracy theories that were out there. tell me are george soros and moveon.org, democratic underground, cnn international etc... your shining sword of righteousness and truth?

441 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:00:49pm

Pragma-not

we all know who Roger Ailes is?
Do you know who
ted turner
Dan Blather
Peter Pali Jennings
Katy Koran
George Stephopleft
Andrea "their sob calling Ohio?"
Jim Lehrer
Tom Brokow
Wolf Blitzkreig (these numbers must be wrong)
James Carville
Ted Koppel
is?
There is a nuerosurgeoun on Park Avenue that specializes in your condition - the inabilty to process facts, data and glean intelligence...it will work wonders
L-O-B-O-T-O-M-Y!
now go tell all your piggly wiggly friends and you can all get a group discount - I'll underwrite

442 mika.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:01:02pm

#403 AtlasShrugged


Ahab is practicing a very clever form of taqqiya..


What you have described is merely right wing bias in counter to left wing bias. It's hardly "reason and truth".


You will notice now how it's not about defending left wing bias and france anymore. No, that's not important. It's about defending reason and truth! The black and white, left and right, right and wrong binary morality/paradigm on which our political system is based is all irrelevant. And of-course what is missing from the few none commie/islamofascist media outlets is reason and truth..

443 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:01:08pm

Smegel's been stinking around since October 21st. Why didn't anyone notice?

I blame some lizardoid underling.

444 JimmyTheClaw  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:01:11pm

pragmaticus
heres some ammo fer yah fox needs new tape they are still hailing kerik as new hsa chief

445 TnRighty  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:01:20pm

Gotta admit he does have a point. Why watch FNC's morning show when you can have Moral-equivalency Matt droning about how the Iraqi "insurgents" are really no different than our Minutemen. Followed shortly by Katie's latest colonoscopy slides. Yep, much more protean viewing there.

446 Cornholio  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:01:55pm

#423 Duke Newcombe  

1. each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.


What "physicial characteristics" make a French person distinct? You cannot look at a French person and tell on sight they are French.

Anybody at LGF could move to France and gain French citizenship. Being "French" is no more of a racial identity than being American.

Besides, making fun of the treasonous way the French government stabs its allies in the back is not racist.

447 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:02:37pm

# 440

Jimmy, you're over in the corner shadow boxing with some invisible enemy.

All I've claimed is that there's a nexus between the Republican Party and FoxNews. That's hardly an outlandish notion.

448 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:02:46pm
449 Cornholio  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:04:20pm

#423 Duke Newcombe  12/12/2004 10:38PM PST

I'm going to go and join the French Foreign Legion out of spite.


Ever notice how the only effective fighting unit the French possess is made up of foreigners?

;)

450 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:05:01pm

#236 Pookleblinky

Thats it, its official, I fucking love you

451 TnRighty  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:05:08pm

Then in the interest of intellectual honesty, the entire room awaits an admission from The Pragmatic One that a similar nexus might just exist between one of the Shrinking 3 and the (S)DNC.

452 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:05:19pm

#446 Cornholio

You may not tell by sight, but you're nose knows.

453 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:05:58pm

"Smegmaticus!" he roars into the forest. "What grammatical error did I just perform?"

454 Bennette  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:06:29pm

This is the funniest thing I've seen in FOREVER! I sent Carl's Jr. a note saying how much I appreciated it. :-D

Regards,

455 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:07:23pm

#450 Atlas

*Snoopy dance of the Swoon*

456 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:09:20pm

# 451

Not in so direct a fashion.

The 3 (and more) are most definitely left biased, but they either try to hide it more or are less bombastic in their tone.

FoxNews is balls-out biased. I suppose they can be admired in a way, they don't even bother to disguise it. See the recent hagiographies of Bush II and Rumsfeld for examples.

457 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:10:15pm

#236 Pookleblinkie

Just for knowing, I knew that before I started but sometimes though quite rare, but sometimes you can break thru the brick wall and a person can have an epiphany.

Rare? Wildly so! But so what?I believe in the effort, the desemination of information that perhaps the person has not been exposed to. I've done it a couple of times (in person) and broke through and it is a noble endeavor.

This one is over

GAZE

458 Anabel  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:10:54pm

Zombie #252

For one blissful moment I had high hopes of being able to send my Aboriginal husband to the Tax Office, when he gets home from work, to collect every dollar he’s ever paid in taxes. After all only humans pay taxes.

We’re rich!

Sadly however, it appears he is Homo Sapien after all.

[Link: www.trussel.com...]

459 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:11:53pm

# 442

I wasn't the one who first brought up "reason and truth!"

Those words were spoken in reference to RUSH LIMBAUGH and FOXNEWS!

As I've said ALL media is biased. It's endemic to the species. So don't get all huffy with me, go find the naif who thinks that Rush Limbaugh is an example of "reason and truth".

460 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:12:21pm

#457 Atlas

*Celebratory gunfire*

236 is not I. What post are you referring to?

461 Athos  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:16:03pm

#447 troll

All I've claimed is that there's a nexus between the Republican Party and FoxNews.

Only by the association of Ailes being a Republican.

No proof offered that Ailes has ordered right wing bias or news - just guilt by association. (And the fact that an easy way to hijack a thread is to say FNC is a right wing tool based only on the fact that it's what you want to believe.)

By that same feeble measurement, NY Times is the same from the left - Pinchie Sulzberger being a far left liberal. Or CBS under the leadership of Viacom Chairman Sumner Redstone (not to mention the rest of Viacom also having a strong bias to the left). And so on, and so on, and so on.

The standard question re FNC that doesn't appear to be asked is that FNC has journalists and commentators from both sides of the aisle...how many conservatives have prominent roles at ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC?

But then, you would have to enter into a debate - which would prompt you to resort another typical idiot's argument - anyone conservative, who would watch FNC, is a mouth breather. Gee, what a massive step from Bush is a Chimp.

Lizardoids - I can't believe you fed this pitiful troll for so long.

GAZE IT.

462 JimmyTheClaw  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:17:16pm

ok back on subject the french have always been tenious as friends as best. think about it revolutionary war they were only opposed to england. ww1 [just read guns of august] they needed us to save them from germany. ww2 they sided with germany till occupied then begged us to help them get their country back. vietnam they retreated leaving the country in chaos then ten years later leaned towards the north. gulf war one [dont know if they sent any troops] gulf war two to keep us from finding out about their illegal activities and to keep themselves in cheap oil they stabbed us in the back. dont forget about the mess they left in algeria.
lessee now why do i dislike them so strongly they promote an evil [hitler scale] terrorist towards statesman and nobel peace prize. they should know why said terrorist died but cover it up and let conspiracy poisoning theories fly. they call the only representative democracy in the middle east a shitty little country then cry when remarks are made back. their leaders are neoconic elitists who only care for themselves. they shoot military weapons into crowds of unarmed civillians. their wines and cheese suck. anyone have anything else to add.

463 JimmyTheClaw  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:19:53pm

#447 Pragmaticus 12/12/2004 11:02PM PST
# 440

Jimmy, you're over in the corner shadow boxing with some invisible enemy.

All I've claimed is that there's a nexus between the Republican Party and FoxNews. That's hardly an outlandish notion.

and the left winger communists moveon.org george soros nutjobs have nothing to do with abc cbs nbc cnn

/moral equivilancy rant

464 mika.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:20:27pm

#459 Pragmaticus

I'm not that familiar with Limbaugh, but what has he been untruthful about politically? And are you not a Muslim?

465 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:20:51pm

# 461

anyone conservative, who would watch FNC, is a mouth breather.

Oh, I'm sorry, they're all actually lay geniuses taking a break from reading the National Review and refining their sketches of the Laffer Curve. After their daily dose of the Scott Peterson trial panel, they'll be straight back to selected passages from The Road to Serfdom and The Wealth of Nations.

Jeezus!

Have you actually WATCHED the channel!?

Do you know what you're defending?

466 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:21:00pm

#460 Pookleblinky

#457 Atlas

*Celebratory gunfire*

236 is not I. What post are you referring to?


sorry about that...436!

467 TnRighty  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:21:35pm

Hagi-what (sorry, I'm a mouth breathing red-stater.) ;-}
I appreciate the spirit of your defense, but perception is all too often reality. Por ejemplo: were it not for the perfidious nature of the current government in France, as well as their, um, impotence in the face of what they have themselves have admitted is a rising tide of anti-Semintism, most people would view France as they do Liechtenstein -- it's over there.

As it is, their government actively attempted to thwart US aims and actions for whatever reason. Just as others overseas have bashed amerikkkans because of Bushitler, we unfortunately have fallen prey to the same easy rhetoric.

Same with the media. Dan Rather shows up at a fund raiser for the Travis County Texas Democratic Party, where his daughter is an apparatchik. The same Travis County from whence the infamous Burkett runes sprang. Media types are always polled as being liberal, usually decidedly so, and yet they cannot even be bothered to give the merest appearance of fairness and objectivity. At least FNC will allow leftists access to the air through their outlet.

468 Bubble Girl  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:23:05pm

I always find it amusing when someone claims a right wing conspiracy between the Repubs and the MSM. Not talking about you, Prag, per se. Just the other day Bill Mothers alluded, no he actually came right out and said it.

Tell me who and how? We can give Fox to the right wing. But that leaves the rest of the MSM to either the middle or the left.
The NYTimes is the main source of news for the majority of the newspapers across the country who cite the NYTimes articles and op-ed pieces.

Same as the the newspapers, how many papers are liberal versus conservative? Again the favor heavily tilts to the liberal side. Consider the coverage of the Swiftvets who questioned Kerry's veracity and his illicit meetings with the Communists during the Vietnam War. Not only did the MSM give Kerry a free ride by not demanding he respond to the allegations, they helped Kerry by claiming the Vietnam Veterans were all agents of the Republican Party, liars, and hacks while going over Bush's National Guard Service records in microscopic detail.

Kerry refused to release all his Naval records, records which could shed light on the period after he returned to the states and whether or not he recieved a dishonorable discharge due to his activities with the VVAW. Neither was his Winter Soldier testimony called into question even though historians agreed it was grossly misleading and contained downright falsehoods.

The MSM bent over backwords to slide their candidate into office, the majority of them are registered Democrats and they behaved as such.

469 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:25:05pm

#466 Atlas

ah!

470 Q  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:25:50pm

The most contemptible thing about the French is that they have turned themselves into our enemies -- and by extention the enemies of civilization -- out of nothing more substantial then pure spite. While Islam is our existential enemy, France is, after all, a Western country, which should have been in our camp. If it were sane, that is.

It isn't, though. France's compulsion to oppose us at every step logically leads it to ally itself with each and every scumbucket that happens to be our adversary at the moment. And so, the French whore themselves to the Arabs, to Iran, to Islam at large, to China -- to the devil himself, as long as it gives them the illusion of sticking it to us.

Those whoremeisters are anything but gentle. The French delusions of grandeur are suicidal, of course. The Islamic crocodile France tried to ride is already snapping at its groin. Whatever. The French made their own bed -- and now, quite deservedly, they will get ass-fucked to death in it.

471 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:26:05pm

#464

Limbaugh is a typical radio demagogue. Listen in and judge for yourself.

And no, I'm not a Muslim. What the hell does that have to do with this conversation?

472 garnier  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:26:38pm

Bonjour Garnier, Merci pour votre addition de l'extrémité de l'empire français. Comment avez-vous appris tellement de votre ancestory ? Il est très fascinant !

Bonsoir, and your welcome. From my family records, and its quite confusing to follow but here's a sketch:

From France to England, we eventually settled on lands in the English pale of Ireland. We'd always been royalists and so we naturally supported King James. The Jacobites lost, and so we left Ireland for France with King James and many other loyalists and served in the Irish Brigades. King James was kind enough to reward our loyalty so we ended up well recommended in France and entered the service of the Duke of Lorraine, the Future HR Emperor, and Grand Duke of Tuscany. Later, after the French Revolution, we took service in the armies of George III in India. Some of us gave up on fighting European wars and came to America, while others returned to France after the restoration of the monarchy in the early 19th c. and stayed, which is how I have cousins there.

Pookieblinky was on a roll tonight.

473 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:28:45pm

#472 Garnier

Thank you for appreciating my effort. However, I sought only to give one person on this thread the belly laughs she so much deserves.

474 JimmyTheClaw  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:29:33pm

cool history channel has conspiracy theory linking oklahoma city to islamic terrorists

475 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:30:30pm

ok friends, lover, countrymen, and those soon to undergo mandatorybrain surgery
i am outta here
gotta be tooo early at a juicy event that i would love to describe and I know you'd enjoy but i prefer to keep my comings and goings stalker/AK 47 free
so I will tell all tomorrow night

476 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:31:24pm

What a hoot! I damn near sprayed my desk with coffee when I saw the topic. What pompous assholes.

Praggy…in doing a good deed for the day, might I suggest you add Daniel Flynn’s, ‘Intellectual Morons’ to your reading list? As far as I’m concerned, anyone who begins an argument including such prose as, ‘all of you trained seals clapping away with abandon’ is undeserving of the attention you’ve already received.

That said...AMF but please do have a pleasant day.

477 garnier  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:32:15pm

#473

and who is that, or shouldn't i ask?

478 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:33:34pm

Atlas- I noticed that!

479 mika.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:34:45pm

471 Pragmaticus

And no, I'm not a Muslim. What the hell does that have to do with this conversation?


What are you then? Where were you born?

It has much to do with this discussion, because it will shed light on the kind of emotional programing you've received, and therefore your stated/unstated disposition.

480 Athos  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:37:28pm

#465

Do you know what you're defending?

Pathetic. Another troll who only sees what it wants to believe.

Because, frankly, it doesn't matter if I've watched it. You're so locked into your opinion, that nothing anyone here says regardless of logic, proof, and or fact will change your closed little mind.

So, get used to being irrelevant.

Oh, and one more question - Do you know what you're defending?

481 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:39:33pm

# 479

What am I?

Human. That should give you an inkling towards my disposition.

482 Beagle  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:39:45pm

Who needs Fox News to bash the French? I don't.
Their culture is dead. Just ask them.

483 pookleblinky  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:41:34pm

I have a final exam at naught but 8:30 in the morning tomorrow. Night all. Don't let the troll get into the cheese.

484 Bubble Girl  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:42:40pm

Pookle - Hugs and Kisses :)


Garnier, Oui, Pookie se brisera et brûlera probablement bientôt. Dans votre famille il doit y avoir au moins plus d'un manteau des bras, ou crêtes ? Heure pour le lit pour moi, c'était une longue journée dans l'hôpital.

Adieu

485 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:43:23pm

# 480

What the... !?

Once again, have you watched it?

Do you find it well reasoned, deep in its arguments, broad ranging, erudite?

If so, then a massive mistake has been made.

For heck's sake! Rupert knows what he is doing! This is the man who owns the UK Sun! He doesn't stand on ceremony! If his public wants tits and ass, that's what they get! If they want lurid trials and drumbeating, that's what they get!

Why are so many here so precious about FoxNews!? Aren't you willing to acknowledge what an amazingly well crafted product it is?

486 mika.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:43:32pm

#471 Pragmaticus

Limbaugh is a typical radio demagogue. Listen in and judge for yourself.

You haven't answered my question. What does so called demagoguery or bombasity have to do with one being truthful or not?

487 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:48:15pm

# 486

...because when you descend into a certain level of demagoguery, truth is automatically a casualty. If you need it explained to you, then you'll never understand.

I doubt you do, though. I'm pretty sure you're merely engaging in casuistry and semantics.

488 pauldanish  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:49:08pm

The insult is grave. Damages in the amount of, say, 1 cent are in order.

489 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:50:20pm
490 miklos rosza  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:50:43pm

french don't like ketchup, put mayonaise on their french fries (frites). and swear that their mcdonalds are better than ours. (of course that's what they would say.)

491 mika.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:51:27pm

#487 Pragmaticus

...because when you descend into a certain level of demagoguery, truth is automatically a casualty. If you need it explained to you, then you'll never understand.

Maybe I should read you back some of your previous posts here.

492 mika.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:54:37pm

# 479 Pragmaticus


What am I?

Human. That should give you an inkling towards my disposition.


:)

You just gave your game away, Ahab. The peeps here are smarter than that.

493 Bubble Girl  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:54:57pm

#485

Fox is okay, look at the other choices out there. The NPR wallows in it's myopic leftist voice, years and years of pretentiousness, it's no wonder they fail garnering new listeners. Look at Juan Williams.

Journalistic standards are nill, I don't believe there ever was such a thing, it was only for the local news, never for the MSM who spend five minutes on the news and the remainder on fluff or opinion. That's what news is today, it's the opinion of the reporter, not the facts that count.

494 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 9:56:06pm

# 492

The only Ahab I know went down with the ship.

You've come to the wrong conclusion, Sherlock.

495 mika.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 10:01:38pm

#494 Pragmaticus

You've come to the wrong conclusion, Sherlock.

Not really. Although you're probably mixed Iranian. You still a Ahab emotionally.

496 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 10:05:28pm

# 495

Although you're probably mixed Iranian

Still wrong, super sleuth.

And what is an "Ahab emotionally"?

497 mika.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 10:12:22pm

#496 Pragmaticus

Ok. Not mixed, but pure Iranian.


hmmm,... I was really hoping you'd correct my grammar mistake. And here I was sure I knew you from a previous life time. Oh well.

498 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 10:15:50pm

# 497

I can categorically assure you that I know of no Persian ancestors in my family.

You are REALLY off track. In a big way.

499 mika.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 10:25:44pm

#498

Fine. But I'm glad that you're still seeking the truth, Hassan. There might be some hope for you. Who knows.

Hope you stick around..

500 big L  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 10:28:31pm

check out the "Fall of the Third Republic by William Shirer, It is about France in the 1870's. That's a really sad people. Spent years on the Dreyfus affair. Wasted years, antisemitic years.
It is a real eye-opener to the French.

If they want to be non-aligned and go it alone, then they should have a crack army and a competent government and 'go it alone'. Not use and abuse the US power and army to protect it,yet spit in our face.for years, for decades!.
The US taxpayer has paid for all the defense of Western Europe and they have had a great time on the savings.

We will probably have to rescue them from their prob with the Islams too. If we do, we should get the Louvre, and contents.
Like the London Bridge, take it apart, number it and re-assemble it in Las Vegas, where it will be appreciated

501 garnier  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 10:31:50pm

Bubble Girl: "Garnier, Oui, Pookie se brisera et brûlera probablement bientôt. Dans votre famille il doit y avoir au moins plus d'un manteau des bras, ou crêtes ? Heure pour le lit pour moi, c'était une longue journée dans l'hôpital."

Adieu

Oui. M'aussi. J'ai travaillé au bureau et ai aujourd'hui une semaine longue en avant. Je dois me coucher aussi. Puisque vous avez demandé à nos bras sont: "Echiquete d'or et d'azur, au franc-quartier de gueles, charge d'un lion rampant d'argent."

Comment de vous? Je rappèle vous a dit que votre famille avait été dans le Texas depuis les 1850s. Etes-vous finalement de descente espagnole ?

Vous pouvez répondre tommorrow si vous aimez.

Adieu

502 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 10:32:00pm

# 499

I am not Arab, Persian, African, Malay, Indonesian, Pakistani or any other possible variation of Muslim either through birth or conversion.

It is really fascinating that you automatically assume that anyone who finds this clubby little playground unsettling is Muslim.

503 mika.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 10:39:56pm

#502

No, not anybody. Just you in particular, Hassan.

504 goldsmith  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 10:57:01pm

Dogmaticus:

If his public wants tits and ass, that's what they get! If they want lurid trials and drumbeating, that's what they get!

So, it's better to give people what they don't want? Hell, that's what America's NPR is for. Only the preeniest of the effete elite hangs onto the silly notion that things that are "good for you" (health food, literature, grave internationalist media) have to be anesthetic, pretentious and boring. NPR is a good example; I used to listen every morning and evening to the news programs until I realized that the j-school mock sobriety, the reviews of hip-hop and Tuvan throat singing fusion world music cds, the 15 minute long atmosphere pieces about families of papaya growers in the Philippines told with all the passion of an abstract of a doctoral dissertation, all of it was as entertaining, edifying and flavorful as a barium swallow before an upper-GI x-ray. It was a daily shot of bitter medicine for a malady that no longer afflicted me. I realized that I no longer needed that daily injection of faux-culture and impotent upper-class hand-wringing.

You seem to be a casualty of that way of thinking, that somehow the New York Times and the Guardian and their class represent the medicine that the poor slobbering masses need to elevate them to the higher plane of cynical critical thinking that you obviously inhabit.

I'm all for critical thinking, real critical thinking, not the cynicism and globalized lefty political cant that usually passes for critical thinking in your circles (I am taking liberties in my assumptions about you, since you seem to have no problem doing likewise about everyone that reads this site). I don't happen to like Fox News (and you will find others here that share my dislike of their coverage of certain issues, such as Israel) but I certainly understand why people watch it. While it is far from perfect in my opinion, I think that to some extent it provides what so much other television and radio news lacks: simple verve and character. I only wish their choice of stories was better, and they would stop pretending to be "fair and balanced" and admit their partisan nature, as should all other media sources. It's not so much the rampant bias in media that upsets me, it's the pretending that there is none.

Anyway, I'll feel bad about insulting the French when they feel bad about insulting everybody in the whole world, my country in particular. Which will be never.

505 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 10:57:43pm

#503

How long have you heard these strange voices in your head?

Have you tried lithium?

506 goldsmith  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 11:02:15pm

By the way, in reading some documents for another purpose I happened upon this wonderful summation of French business culture. Therein you will find out "they hate us", why they opposed war in Iraq (besides the disruption of their oil deals) and why their government and society never address any problems until it is almost too late. And having done business and travelled in France, I can certainly vouch for everything there.

507 hershel  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 11:04:09pm

Here's a link to the case

JUST FOR FUN

You know what to do. There's also a sidebar advertising
"free case evaluations". No doubt us lizardoids have all *kinds* of ideas.

508 goldsmith  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 11:07:18pm

Oh, and lithium carbonate is used only for treatment of bipolar disorder, not psychosis or psychotic symptoms like hearing voices. An educated, nuanced critical thinker would know this.

tee hee

509 mika.  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 11:09:20pm

#505

It's a small world.

Charles, could you please ping Hassan and email me the results. Thanks in advance. I'm 95% certain about this one. :P

510 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 11:09:26pm

# 503

Cripes!

How many times do I have to say it!?

FoxNews is a BRILLIANT product! It gives its audience what it wants!

And it wants lurid trials, finger-and-flag waving and French bashing. And yes, it does it with a lot of pizazz. In comparison CNN is god-damningly boring, and as you have pointed out, NPR is as well.

However, your wish for "better stories" just isn't going to happen. That's because, for its audience, FoxNews has achieved perfect pitch already. If they tinkered with the formula, for instance wheeled in William F. Buckley every now and then for a fireside chat, the viewers would flee in droves.

What I am objecting to is this pathetic political correctness about its audience. Massive chunks of them just aren't very smart. That's NOT my fault!

Once again, the evidence is in what they respond to. Do you think it's by chance that they stagger from Chandra Levy to Laci Peterson to whatever titillating scandal (hopefully involving a slain photogenic damsel) pops up next?

I'm not saying that the NYT or The Guardian (which both have more than enough faults of their own) should be forced down Small Town, USA's throat, but PLEASE, PLEASE stop kidding yourselves about FoxNews's audience.

511 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 11:18:57pm

#508

If you want to be a total pedant, then it can be argued that bipolar disorder leads to psychotic episodes. One possible symptom during a psychotic episode is the hearing of voices. If lithium is taken, it might stave off the manic phase.

Or is that totally wrong?

512 Pragmaticus  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 11:21:02pm

# 509

Just say it, then. Where am I from?

513 Smith Space Technologies  Sun, Dec 12, 2004 11:53:34pm

Anyone know what North Korea is doing?

UFO 'explodes' in China

13/12/2004 07:34 - (SA)

Beijing - An unidentified flying object, or UFO, passed across the large north-western Chinese city of Lanzhou and apparently exploded in the suburbs, state media said on Monday.

The unusual sighting of two bright trails of light, reported by several witnesses, took place on Saturday shortly before midnight, the China Times reported.

Police, working on the theory that it was a meteorite, went to investigate the matter, but as of early Monday they had found no evidence of what caused the nightly phenomenon, an officer said by telephone.

A taxi driver told the paper he was in his car when everything suddenly became "as bright as day."

When he pulled over, he saw a fireball with a tail of about three metres darting across the sky, he said.

One witness who was on the late shift at his company reported the courtyard outside his office was suddenly bathed in a ghostly red light as the object passed overhead, the paper said.

Others said they heard a huge explosion and felt as if an earthquake had struck.

China has been hit by several waves of UFO sighting in recent years, and the country has a research association devoted to the study of possible extraterrestrial visits.

514 ördög Johnson  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 12:12:42am

#513 Smith Space Technologies

Anyone know what North Korea is doing?

Darn! They got a hold of a crashed UFO and now they reverse engineered it and doing testing! /kidding

Seems that their Long Dong Silver missiles have a navigation problem, beside premature eja... I mean explosion, problem.

515 ördög Johnson  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 12:14:34am

#512 Pragmaticus 12/13/2004 01:21AM PST

Just say it, then. Where am I from?

Tucson, Arizona?

516 BRUTUS  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 12:35:00am

510 Pragmaticus

While what you say "may" be true "times", Fox News also does not dwell on the grief of the families of homocide bombers in Israel - something whcih CNN and other have always done. FoxNews correctly (or, perhaps, more correctly) refers to these terrorists as homocide bombers, at least laying culpability where it rightfully belongs. No other MSM outlet does this.

517 deegee  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 12:41:34am

Am I the only one in this entire list who finds the Carl's advert in bad taste (no pun intended)?

Israel has a legitimate case to protest French behaviour, particularly that of the government. So does America. Does this give every advertiser the moral right to offend the French, particularly with the goal of selling sandwiches?

Would this advert be less offensive if it negatively focussed on supposed national characteristics of Mexicans, Chinese, Irish, Polish, African-Americans, Amerindians, Jews or ___ fill in the nationality of your choice? Are there no limits to national stereotyping in the interests of commerce? Are you seriously arguing an issue of free speech or are you cheerleading a national restaurant chain profiting on prejudice?

518 andrew2  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 12:50:59am

France is a chicken. Consider the subservient chiocken an analogy for France, while the Arab world calls the shots:

I am the Sock-Puppet Chicken of the Arab World!

France is pathetic yeech!

519 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 12:57:04am

# 516

The "homocide bomber" thing is tautological, and excludes vital information.

By definition, ALL criminal bombers are "homocide bombers". Their intent is to murder with a bomb. Timothy McVeigh was a "homocide bomber". However, his modus operandi was different to a typical Palestinian bus bomber, for instance. It's important to get across how an event happened, not for glorification reasons, but simply to satisfy the basic tenets of journalism.

"Suicide bomber" does this. It tells that a person was a bomber, and that they detonated the device themselves either wearing it or very close by. Their modus operandi is TOTALLY different to the remote activation style of bomber, and their attack is carried out by entirely different means.

All using the term "homocide bomber" does is confuse the issue.

520 ördög Johnson  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 12:59:23am

#517 deegee

Does this give every advertiser the moral right to offend the French, particularly with the goal of selling sandwiches?

Moral right? No, of course not.

However, I don't see any harm in making fun of'em. :-)

You think that a French company would ponder twice about using some perceived merkin trait to sell their stuff, and having even some moral qualms about it?

Do ya, ...?

521 ördög Johnson  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:01:01am

#519 Pragmaticus

How about suicidal homicide bomber?

522 morganfrost  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:02:40am

That's great! I went to the site and registered with a fictitious name and a French joke. I recommend that everybody do the same.

523 Spiritualized  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:06:17am
No other national or ethnic group appears to get the same continually negative treatment in print media reserved for France and the French, with the possible exception of Arabs or Palestinians, and even there, the treatment is not so much cultural as political

I felt compelled to write them a scathing e-mail after that little gem of a quote on the front page of their site.

Notice how they're subtly perpetuating the myth that the "Palestinians" are a distinct race.

524 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:06:35am

France Surrenders to Texas High School CNSNews.com ^ %P% January 31, 2003 %P% David Burge


Paris (CNSNews.com) - What began as a six-day chaperoned music tour by a group of suburban Houston teenagers ended in an epic conquest in the pre-dawn hours of Friday morning as French military and government officials offered their unconditional surrender to students of the Aldine, Texas Eisenhower High School Music Department.


Accepting the surrender, Eisenhower High School Band and Choral Director Gary Baumer praised the French for avoiding further bloodshed and vowed an immediate postwar rebuilding effort.


"We hope to achieve national recovery by prom," said Baumer. "The seniors have voted for the theme "Springtime in Paris."


In a goodwill gesture, Baumer said the victorious students would soon begin releasing most of the 400,000 French prisoners of war they had captured during the brutal three-day campaign.


"We want the prisoners reunited with their families," said Justin Gonzales, a junior tenor in the Eisenhower Glee Chorus. "Besides, you can't even begin to imagine the smell."


Baumer also granted former government officials and their families safe passage out of the country. Former President Jacques Chirac was last seen boarding his private Airbus jet at Orly Airport, as the Eisenhower Jazz Ensemble taunted him with an off-key rendition of "Na Na Na Na (Hey Hey) Goodbye."


My wife is an Eisenhower Eagle, Class of 1990

525 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:08:26am

# 521

Why?

When "suicide bomber" does the job perfectly?

You've got the suicide part, and you've got the bombing part. It's completely adequate.

526 ördög Johnson  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:18:54am

#525 Pragmaticus

No, it does not. Bomber may just bomb a facility, waiting for the people to end a shift so no human would get hurt. Well, just some, I suppose.

The goal of suicidal homicide bomber is not to commit suicide, but to bomb as many human beings as possible -- e.g. comitting a homicide. The suicide part is only a matter of means and inherent lack of mental faculties or a sign of a significant success in brainwashing techniques of Islamists.

527 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:21:14am

517 DeeGee


But the Irish, the Poles, the Mexicans et al don't have a 200 year+ tradition of being complete pr!cks.

528 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:26:29am

BTW, about Pragmaticus

I believe he isn't Muslim or Arab.


My brother, former Catholic altar boy, spouts the same crap about "Faux News" and Rush Limbaugh.


And while Fox is probably the least biased of the cable or broadcast news (perhaps barely a hint of a conservative bias vs the DNC Talking Points of the MSM) they would be taken seriously with a little more hard news and a little less Kobe/Scott Peterson/Michael Jackson.


I certainly don't agree with everything Michael Savage says, but he is of the opinion that Rush Limbaugh is starting to abandon conservatism to be a Republican/Bush cheerleader. I don't get to listen much to Rush, but I do think he is in bed with the RNC.

529 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:30:26am

Pragmaticus


Homicide Bomber also serves the point of letting the audience know that the bomber also died carrying out the attack, because homicide bomber is clearly a response to "suicide bomber", which minimized the fact that there were innocent victims.

Pragmaticus, do you work for a major ammunition manufacturer in the Kansas City area?

530 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:33:17am

# 527

Two headlines:-

1) "Suicide bomber kills 12"

2) "Suicidal homocide bomber kills 12".

You tell me what is the more economical, less tautological of the two headlines, and explain to me how the first one could possibly be misunderstood or considered glorification.

And of course this third one is hopeless:-

3) "Homocide bomber kills 12"

531 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:35:21am

OT to Pragmaticus


Long range computer models can't really be trusted except to indicate trends, but the 00Z GFS indicates 2 to 3 inches of snow falling the Thursday before Christmas in Dallas,, and Christmas Eve temperatures forecast to stay sub-freezing and at least partly cloudy, so shaded areas around shrubs could have a "White Christmas" in Dallas.

532 bbev  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:36:52am

Pragmaticus

I missed all the fun. Well I have five minutes to write this. first Pragmaticus I would bet your gay. You don't like the woman on Fox news. or at least bi. must be from blue state most likly new England or mybe Canada. I would also say your family was from the middle east, Lebenon? It took me a while to read all of above but Pragmaticus . your f-up dude. go back to where you came please.

533 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:40:46am

# 529

Only if you're tuned into the editorial talking points of the media outlet propagating the term. Headlines should stand on their own without a crib sheet.

I really don't see how the description of people being blown apart (the bomb bit) negates the notion that innocent people have been killed. And, as I've outlined, trying to change things leads to obfuscation.

534 ördög Johnson  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:41:07am

#530 Pragmaticus

Well, the problem is with this headline: "12 killed in suicide bombing"

Does that mean that there were 12 suiciders that bombed themselves?

535 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:42:19am

# 529

..and no, I don't work for an ammunition manufacturer near Kansas City.

536 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:44:27am

# 532

bbev, learn to read, write and think you homophobic, pathetic little twerp.

537 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:48:00am

# 534

That's why it's better to write headlines in the active rather than passive voice. Much less room for confusion.

538 foreign devil  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:51:08am

OT: This is an ot subject but too wierd to pass up. A prize-winning investigative reporter in Los Angeles has been found dead--cause of death? Suicide due to multiple gunshot wounds to the head! Wounds---plural! How so?

[Link: www.sacbee.com...]

539 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:52:35am

Ok, then Pragmaticus isn't my brother.


Oh, plenty of straight people who think all the people living west of I-95 and east of I-5 are Bible thumping racist trailer park junior Klansmen.

Please, you only feed Prag's conceits when you use homophobic attacks. Plenty of straight, Caucasian Americans detest everything America, from the Founding Fathers forward (Some of them had slaves! Hey, The French, Spanish, English and Portuguese (and Arabs, for that matter) were all involved in the African slave trade, but they get a pass because they're not American) to the modern day stand for, and would prefer we were like France or Sweden, where the government guarantees there isn't too much inequality between the classes by imposing mediocrity on all (except, of course, the corrupt elite ruling classes, but somebody has to do it).


Oh, FREE MUMIA!

Off to work, oppressing the poor and raping the environment.

540 ördög Johnson  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:54:12am

#537 Pragmaticus

Then "Suicide bomber murders 12" would be the most precise description.
"2 car collision kills 6". An accident.
"Suicide bomber murders 12". Mass murder.

541 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:59:47am

# 540

Yeah. Seems reasonable.

542 [Engineer]  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 2:13:40am

#346 Throbert McGee

There are plenty of Australians running around of mixed Euro-Aboriginal ancestry. This genetic intercompatibility pretty strongly implies, to me, that the Aboriginals split off from the Cro-Magnon branch after the split that produced the separate Neanderthal/Cro-Magnon lines.

I thought the definition was that if you can interbreed, then you are the same species.

543 Nekama  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 2:15:38am
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Freaking Frogs are even cowards on their own websites!

544 ördög Johnson  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 2:25:29am

#542 [Engineer]

Correct. Hence, if they interbred, they were the same species, albeit with some differences, the skeletal morphology may be not that big a deal, the only major difference was the placement of vocal chord--that may have been responsible for some impediments in vocalization of certain vowels. We would be then carrying some of their genes, unless the groups that exchanged genes disappeared about 12,500 BCE and the only small skulled HSS type that did not interbreed remained afterwards for some unknown reason.

If they couldn't interbreed, then they were different species and there would be no genetic loans.

545 ördög Johnson  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 2:30:47am

#543 Nekama

LOL.

Not the case. It is a form spoofing protection--you've probably used a cached form. Since there is a lot of idle hands in Phrance doing hacking, I think that it is rather justified. I have whole vanadoo.fr IP range blocked, is is a cesspool of script kiddies that like to trash servers.

546 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 2:52:23am

OT: 7 US Marines die in combat in Iraq.


Also, 13 Iraqis killed by suicide bomber er homicide bomber um terrorist ahh activist Michael Moore's Minutemen.

547 Nomorelies  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 2:55:07am

#517

Yep. Looks like it. We thinks its funny.

548 foreign devil  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 3:07:37am

Here's something to lighten the mood: from the folks at JibJab who gave us "This Land is Your Land" during the election, we present: "The Twelve Farting Elves":

[Link: www.jibjab.com...]

549 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 3:14:23am

More OT


There is a lot of run to run variability to the GFS models, but the general trend of cold wintery weather Christmas week in much of the South still holds.


The 06Z GFS has snow on the ground Christmas Day at noon CST in the northern suburbs of Houston, on the north shore of Lake Ponchartrain, and all the way to the Gulf at Biloxi, Mobile and Pensacola. The White Christmas area forecast to be a big donut Salt Lake City to Midland to Alexandria, LA to Pensacola to Norfolk and back into Canada, with a snowless hole from Columbus to Chicago to Davenport to Kansas City to Cape Girardeau back to Columbus. The GFS shows the coldest air, colder than -20C in the morning (below about -4F) from Erie, PA to just north of New York City to Boston, with only the Florida Pensinsula, desert Southwest and immediate West Coast above freezing Christmas morning.

Yesterday's upper 20s warmth in Texas will be forgotten today as Canadian air surges south on winds gusting to 50 km/hr and daytime temps drop through the teens into the single digits by tonight. Houston's northern suburbs may see a light frost tonight, as the winds will not allow too much radiational cooling, but Tuesday night and Wednesday morning a hard freeze for all of SE Texas except the immediate coast, with temps at HOU probably reaching -1, -3 at IAH, and perhaps as cold as -5 at UTS, with 5 to 6 hours below 0. (-3 to -5 will also affect suburbs of AUS and SAT, with below freezing temps even in the cities Tuesday night).


This cold air will press into the Great Lakes as well, bringing Pennsylvania and New York first big Lake Effect Snow even, with 30 cm accumulations favored snow belts.

The 168 hour run of European model shows another massive Lake Effect snow event, that will blast all of Midwest/Northeast downwind with high winds and heavy snow next weekend.

550 papijoe  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 3:27:42am

#548 foreign devil

That was just so wrong!

551 foreign devil  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 3:33:58am

#550 papijoe:

Sorry! How about this instead: Barney Cam II: Barney Reloaded?

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

Just scroll down and click on the link for Barney's Christmas video.

552 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 3:34:02am

Not having read all the comments, surely someone here must have dug around in their mailbag...hilarious!

The real questions are, 'Will Carl's back off under pressure from State?(thank gawd Powell's on his way out)' or, "Will we be able to watch the Fwrench take another drubbing?" How fun.

Gawd what a great reality show. Jayzuz, think of the ads, the sponsors...and not just here in the U.S.! Shi'ite... I want production rights! Then I'm for a quick and speedy trial. :-)

553 Joel  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 3:35:14am

The best French commander was actually a foreigner (Napoleon) and its best warrior was a teenaged girl (Joan of Arc).

554 odin  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 3:44:24am

Of course it is racist. I would be very annoyed if someone said I belonged to the same race as the french.

555 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 3:51:13am
556 Smit  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 3:57:03am

Have you seen the update on the Miquelon site?

This page is over a year old. It has come to our attention via our logfiles and recent email activity that several conservative blogs and boards latched on to this page and have whipped themselves into a hysterical frenzy .

We are aware that an open file on the website "bigclassaction.com" does not mean the proposed suit will be taken on by any legal team. The information below was archived here sometime in December of 2003.

You very silly people may now return to your Little Green Footballs, Dubyad40, FreeRepublic and other ÜberBoards ...

Marc St Aubin du Cormier

Nice.

557 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 3:59:53am
558 EE  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:04:25am

The ad in question comments on French military history, and says nothing at all about Americans of French descent-- or what they are calling French/Americans -- who are after all Americans.

The French consulate is using this community of Americans to serve their own purposes, seeking to interfere with our freedom of speech.

The government of France has been waging a political war against the uS, going to countries all over the world to try to oppose US policies and to try to oppose US influence. Now they are seeking to use a component of the American population to serve their purposes of preventing any criticism of the French -- in this case, they are seeking to suppress comments on their not very illustrious military history.

This not-so-good military history is something that the world should be aware of, if states will be downgrading their relations with the US, at the instigation of France, and relying on French support and protection.

559 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:08:24am

OT - ahhh shucks my feelings are really hurt, Just over half of the people in France, Germany and Spain had an unfavorable view of Americans...

Maybe I should sue AP for publishing the results of their poll? It's racist I tell you! A hate-crime! They've hated us for years...called us fat, spoiled, arrogant imperialists.

Maybe if we hadn't colonized Africa, the Middle-East and Asia; exploited the resources, the people, leaving them destitute, sick, bereft of infrastructure, they wouldn't feel that way.

I just can't take it anymore. ;-)

F'in hypocrites.

560 Lightning_Man  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:11:04am

They know we've checked them out:

PLEASE NOTE

This page is over a year old. It has come to our attention via our logfiles and recent email activity that several conservative blogs and boards latched on to this page and have whipped themselves into a hysterical frenzy.

We are aware that an open file on the website "bigclassaction.com" does not mean the proposed suit will be taken on by any legal team. The information below was archived here sometime in December of 2003.

You very silly people* may now return to your Little Green Footballs, Dubyad40, FreeRepublic and other ÜberBoards ...

- Marc St Aubin du Cormier

*Emphasis added.

They wanted to sue Carl's Jr. and we're silly?

561 Lightning_Man  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:12:35am

#556 Smit

Sorry to duplicate. I took too long being fancy.

562 odin  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:23:01am
Of course it is racist. I would be very annoyed if someone said I belonged to the same race as the french.

But it would not be racist if I said that I would be annoyed if someone said I belonged to the same species as the French.

563 W-lover  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:31:14am

Zeest est stoopeed! Not only are zee French cowerds, zay are leetel babies!

564 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:31:43am

There is a weblog called DubyaD40?


I'll have to check it out. Van't ever have enough ÜberBoards

565 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:34:56am

Oh hell, DubyaD40.com is a Moonbat site (with the # days since Cheney's last MI and the exhortation to "send bacon" and a classy t-shirt for sale that says "Abort Bush").

Phrog moron Cormier just called the people who love him silly.


Stupid silly Phrenchman.

566 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:35:03am
567 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:37:32am

OT again - One of the many benefits of appeasement...Turkey warns of terror wave if EU membership is rejected.

Membership into the EU has become open with greatly reduced pre-qualifications. Preference will be given to those on a 'first come-first serve' basis possessing a history and capability into the production and utilization of CBRN weaponry; suicide bombings; with solid histories of human rights violations and a full working knowledge into the various means of repression.

Apply today.

Iran...Syria...who else wants in?

568 Smit  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:42:54am

American Infidel ;-)

I vote

Marc St Aubin du Cormier

for the rotating header thing.

#561 Lightning man - I wish I could be fancy, it took me long enough to work out how to do the linky thing.

569 Intestinal Fortitude  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:43:36am

OT:

Happy Anniversary Saddam

Evil Santa

570 mglazer  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:45:56am

Check out this SandWich!

[Link: www.carlsjr.com...]

Now that's good eatin'!

YUM!

571 foreign devil  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:48:09am

#567 Abu Hoo-hoo:

Was that message from the PM of Turkey supposed to be a threat? If so, I say drop them for membership NOW!

572 Tanker J.D.  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:48:27am

You very zillee peeple: now go away or we shall taunt a zeeekond thime.

But show with your lawyers, and we'll just voluntarily drop the suit...

573 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:51:11am

On a gagne' la grande bataille de la Cote d'Ivoire !

We won the great battle of the Ivory Coast !

574 pookleblinky  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:53:35am

Thanks to last nights posts, I overslept a bit. Stumbled into the test about 15 minutes late, took it in 5 minutes, and all before my morning coffee!

I may not be the lizard king, but I rank at least as high as the lizard Page.

575 papijoe  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:58:13am

551 foreign devil

Much more wholesome, thank you!

553 Joel

LOL!

576 pookleblinky  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:58:45am

Ah. I'm making my first of four pots of espresso today, Billy's singing, only 15 pages to write and only a whole semester's worth of fallacies to refute; Life is good. Better when you get coffee.

577 Smitty  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:59:18am

#556 Smit

OMG. That is hilarious! Do the French have to work at being so pompous or does it come naturally to them?

578 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:59:47am

571 foreign devil

Naw, that was just a very subtle reminder from their PM that, 'All of you Europe are now belong to us. So don't forget it.'

579 Powderfinger  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:00:19am

Hi Fwenchie! This is not a hysterical frenzy, this is laughing at you.

Sue me.

Q. Why did the chicken cross the road?

A. The Germans were coming.

580 TalkinKamel  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:01:17am

#519 Pragmaticus:

Nope, I think "Homicide Bomber" describes the situation just fine!

A "suicide" bomber would go to an isolated spot, and go KA-BOOM there. A homocide bomber deliberately blows himself up in public places, to take as many people with him as he can. You call this a "Journalistic Statement", or some such other BS. Some of us call it "Murder."

In fact, here's a suggestion---drop the whole suicide/homicide bit; just call them what they are! Murderers.

I kinda like "Splodydopes" too. Insensitive, but accurate.

/Oh, and Pragmaticus? You're just gonna have to be brave and move on, now Arafat's kicked the bucket! We know how much you miss him, but don't feel bad! The PLO will put another thug in his place!

581 ggt  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:13:34am

OT --you can now sign-up for email newsletters from Central Command and the Coalition Bulletins.

www.centcom.mil

don't know how long this has been offered, just found it today.

582 HUSKER  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:23:17am

They won't fight the Germans to save their country...
They won't fight worldwide terrorism to save their lives...

They will fight a hamburger joint to keep people from remembering their past failures!

Nice one Fwance!

583 pookleblinky  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:27:10am

OT OT: Charles! You must make a thread on this:


Spaniards 'did not bow to terror'

The Socialist Party of Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero was elected three days after the train bombs killed 191.

Mr Zapatero told a parliamentary commission investigating the 11 March attacks that Spaniards had never submitted to terrorist violence.

It is the first time a prime minister has appeared before such a commission.

"No Spanish government has knelt before terror and none ever will kneel. Each blow reaffirms our values," Mr Zapatero said.

His conservative predecessor Jose Maria Aznar, whose Popular Party was in power at the time of the attacks, addressed the commission two weeks ago.

Speaking on Monday, Mr Zapatero reiterated the belief that radical Islamic terrorists were exclusively responsible for the bombings, adding that the threat from international terrorism had been clearly underestimated at the time.

In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, the government was quick to blame the militant Basque separatist group Eta, and some observers say this contributed to its election defeat on 14 March.

Iraq support

Senior US Republicans said Spain had succumbed to terrorist threats by ousting Mr Aznar's government, which had backed the war in Iraq.

Our country is now more and better protected against Islamic terrorism, with more awareness of the threat, which was clearly underestimated
Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero,
Spanish Prime Minister
But Mr Zapatero said any suggestion that Spaniards had bowed to terrorism was "inconceivable".

He said that 30 hours after the attacks, hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets across Spain to say no to terrorism and there was no sense of fear.

Mr Zapatero told the Popular Party they should get over the trauma of losing the elections by looking for an explanation in their errors, not in the attacks.

One reason, he suggested, was Mr Aznar's support for the war in Iraq, which the Spanish people opposed and which increased the risk of Spain becoming a target for international terrorism.

Mr Zapatero withdrew Spanish troops from Iraq soon after gaining power.

He told the parliamentary commission his government had since put in place a number of measures to strengthen Spain's fight against terrorism.

"Our country is now more and better protected against Islamic terrorism, with more awareness of the threat, which was clearly underestimated," he said.

'Futile' attack

Among further measures, he proposed extending the country's anti-terrorism pact - until now designed to deal only with radical Basque separatists - to stand against international terrorism, which would serve as a model for the international community.

Train wreckage from one of the 11 March blasts in Madrid
The bombings were the worst such incident in Spain's history
Mr Zapatero said the Madrid attacks were exclusively the work of Islamic terrorism - the same terrorism that had planned and carried out the attacks of 11 September 2001 in the US, 12 October 2002 in Bali, 16 May 2003 in Casablanca and 15 November 2003 in Istanbul.

He said investigations showed there was no link between that international terrorism and Eta.

Before facing questions from the commission, Mr Zapatero read out a statement in which he paid respect to the victims of the attacks and condemned terrorism - of whatever origin.

Mr Zapatero described the Madrid attack as "absurd and futile" which, he said, was why "it hurt so much".

A special side room has been reserved at the hearing for their families, many of whom have accused Spain's politicians of using this parliamentary inquiry more as a political football than as a means of finding out the truth.

The parliamentary investigation into the attacks is set to close later this week after four months of hearings.

The judicial investigation continues though.

The rest at [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

584 Bob's Kid  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:31:10am

I think Carl Karcher has corporate balls, or used to, anyway. I remember years ago when he was threatened with a boycott by pro-choice folks for giving some of his money to pro-life organizations he basically told them to go ahead and boycott him. He didn't want their money anyway.

My recollection could be fuzzy by the passage of years, but I think it went something like that.

585 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:35:48am
586 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:37:17am
587 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:37:22am

Oh goodie - Saddam's engaged in a hunger strike along with 11 other Ba'athists.

We have reliable information that Saddam Hussein and 11 other prisoners began a hunger strike on Friday to protest ill-treatment," Badiaa Aref Ezzat, the Iraqi lawyer of former deputy prime minister Tareq Aziz, said.

"I call on the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to intervene immediately to check on the prisoners' condition," he said.

Saddam was captured by US forces last December and faces charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

He is being held in US custody in a secret location in Iraq and has reportedly received treatment for an enlarged prostate gland, hernia problems and eye trouble.

He was recently visited by the ICRC who reported he is in good health but refused to give more details.

When asked what kind of poor treatment we're talking about, an unidentified US official said that Saddam was complaining that the enamel toilets in his room were not luxurious enough and degrading, the thread count on his bedding wasn't at least 600, and he wasn't able to inflict his formerly modest death toll of 1,000 per day as he would like, which constitutes a form of cruel and unusual punishment on a former dictator. Saddam's lawyer also said that if take a dictator out of his former environment, you inflict mental and physical harm on him because he is restrained from his prior actions. Medications given to calm Saddam down are inflicting further medical harm since it alters Saddam's mental state, bringing the genocidal thoughts down to mere ethnic cleansing thoughts and this effect was noted during more than one exam - and Saddam was greatly distressed by that thought. /sarcasm

588 Studsup  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:42:16am

Cry me a river.

589 dixie normous  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:44:58am

I would eat at least one meal every day at Carls Junior if there were any in my area.

I want to see that commercial.

590 mjk  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:47:37am

How about instead of "suicide bomber" we say:


In Israel, a moslem terrorist brutally murdered twelve children on their way to school, three mothers going to market, and a rabbi going home. He blew himself and them up and some of their body parts ended up three blocks away splattered on a wall. Then his family celebrated that more infidel Jews were murdered and the world was silent.


Oh wait, that's too long. And the world really doesn't care about little murdered Jews, right?

591 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:48:19am
The French/American community is deeply saddened and dismayed by the fact that a United States corporation has chosen to denigrate, humiliate, insult and injure the reputation of French/Americans in order to sell it’s product, which is essentially, a sandwich.

Man, they can't even use proper grammar. Shoud be its, not it's.

592 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:48:52am
593 Beagle  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:49:41am

TalkinKamel,

Aren't you Baldwin IV's earthly vessel? What up with that anyway? I miss leper king advice.

594 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:50:24am
595 gharst rhymi  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:55:03am

Beagle, zombie, throbert, oordog, et al.
One thing we got from Homo Erectus was lice.

596 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:58:14am

#592 iron fist:

I do believe you're referring to the plastic shredder, not the wood chipper. /department of pedantics

Studsup said it most succinctly - "Cry me a river." Or, even more succinctly, Instapundit would say "Heh!"

597 Massachusetts Gothic  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:58:37am

Alors! Ah doan sink zose pipple at Miquelon.com laks us verrah much

598 FabioC.  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:00:25am

#592 Iron Fist

I'm afraid I am a weak-willed pinko: I prefer the old, quick firing squad. Put Saddam to the wall, and finish with this farce.


On topic, I've not seen the advert, but my understanding is that it was a bit over the top. To tell the truth, some of the French defeats were caused by catastrophic strategical errors or by political capitulation, not by lack of courage of the soldiers in the field.

599 alkmyst  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:02:06am

I reiterate...

If, in fact, Israel has developped some super-secret poison that the fwench cannot detect in any of their talksiLLLogical scans,

Why aren't we using it on the fwench? We can use it on sheiraq, at least!

600 TalkinKamel  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:02:17am

#593 Beagle:

Baldwin IV has been busy training his Singing Dolphin Klezmer Band, for the Hannukah/Christmas season! He has also been working with the intelligent spiders of MuArae, in bringing their own Winter holiday, F"MGRKK to Planet Earth (for only $19.95.!)

However, he shall return soon, dispensing more kingly advice---and he says "Hi", and wants me to give you a Kingly Kamel Hug!

{{{ :>) }}}

601 mrsoc  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:05:35am

"If your injustice does not match the complaint described above, please use this form to register your complaint. Thank you."

It would appear that you do have the right not to be offended. I must have read that one wrong.

602 Lightning_Man  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:07:03am

#589 dixie normous

I would eat at least one meal every day at Carls Junior if there were any in my area.

From my remote baseball watching expertise, I believe that Carl's Junior and Hardees are related in some fashion.

603 dixie normous  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:09:23am

AP - Baghdad- Dec. 13, 2004- Saddam Hussein, since Friday, has been on a hunger strike with 11 of his fellow Bathists party members. Saddam vows to continue his hunger strike until his death, if necessary.

LEAP FORWARD...

AP - Baghdad- April 5, 2005- The American News media and the Red Cross today report that Saddam Hussein has died due to starvation.
Both are looking into accusations that the Americans employed starvation as a method of torture.

604 odin  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:18:55am

#598 Fabio

caused by catastrophic strategical errors

If we have to be honest: yes, you are right. Their biggest catastrophic strategical error in the past was the preparation for WW2, where they - as the rest of the world for that matter - were totally unprepared for the German Blitzkrieg strategy.

Their current catastrophic strategical error (shared with a number of EU countries) is not recognizing that appeasing the Muslims are not going to help them against the terrorists.

605 Beagle  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:20:40am

Pontificus,

Into whose towns did the Panzers roll? The USA's? Nope. That's right, France.

First Poland. Let's ignore Spain, Versailles frictions, capital ship treaty violations, Soviet-German armor cooperation, French superiority in absolute numbers of tanks at the beginning of WWII, better French tanks, Czechoslovokia, and the Anschluss of Austria. Austria was a rose-strewn parade.

France fought the Phony War while Poland was devoured between Hitler and Stalin. France had an open German frontier, was in a state of war, yet ignoring defense treaty obligations to Poland. Forget the Maginot Line, look at French strategy-tactics. Poor, on both counts. France suborned the armored units to the infantry, without fielding specialized armored units (the modern trend since WWI), and didn't coordinate air-land much at all. Strategically, not moving on Germany during the Polish campaign sealed all Europe's fate. Thanks, France. How many times can France endanger all Europe? Nobody does it better.

606 2klb_gorilla  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:20:54am

For you WWII history buffs:

Q: What is the translation of the French word "Maginot"?

A: Welcome, Germans!

607 dustyroadguy  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:22:04am

587 lawhawk

the thread count on his bedding wasn't at least 600

explain the meaning for textile illiterates, please

591 ward cleaver

Man, they can't even use proper grammar. Should be its, not it's.

actually the sentence should be written thus:

insult and injure the reputation of French/Americans in order to sell it’s their product, which is essentially, a sandwich.
608 mika.  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:35:43am

#528 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C

BTW, about Pragmaticus

I believe he isn't Muslim or Arab.


My brother, former Catholic altar boy, spouts the same crap about "Faux News" and Rush Limbaugh.


Ed, you're wrong.

Your average leftist liliput would not be familiar with the term Taqqiya, but this is not the case with Hassan here.

Also, a little background on our guy. Hassan is an Iranian born writer, educated in an American school there, and now resides in Britain for the most part. We first crossed paths on AppleInsider political msg Board. Last I checked there he was in the States looking for employment. He might still be in the States or might have returned to England. My guess that he still uses Macs and therefore my request to Charles to ping him to confirm this.

609 Jake Fellah  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:39:04am

Don't know about you guys but I am going to work more Carls Junior into my diet! Guess what everyones getting for Christmas? Carls Junior gift certificates!

Hah hahahahahha

Hey I am half french and I don't find the commercial offensive, its obviously a JOKE. Get a sense of humor already!

610 Just Plain Frank- Formerly Frank  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:45:26am

The French suffer from a collective passive-aggressive mindset.

611 cbearnm  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:45:55am

I love this

No other national or ethnic group appears to get the same continually negative treatment in print media reserved for France and the French, with the possible exception of Arabs or Palestinians, and even there, the treatment is not so much cultural as political, linked to a specific context or event.If one were to substitute, for example, "Mexican" or "Japanese" or "Indian" for "French", what would reader reaction be?". -

How about the Polish ? (I am one)
Most of the Polish jokes are 'untrue', but grow some skin, get over it, you Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys.
The History stated in this commercial is accurate, gotta go get a Six Dollar Burger now.

612 Embermage  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:57:13am

You know, Praggie, I have to say, you remind me of a friend of mine. But since I know you're not Volandum, I'll ignore the resemblance. You seem to have an inordinate fondess for overanalyzation of grammatical issues (a la postmodernism) and tangential arguments.

It seems you'd like someone to admit that Fox News is a well-crafted product. Okay; so it is. But in the same sense, that's probably why many choose to watch said news outlet. I personally do not watch any sort of news programme, for two reasons. One, most of them seem to have a hideous bias one way or another in political terms. Second, and more important _I don't have time to watch the news_ I have to get out there and get on with my life.

Stop harassing issues of definition; there is no center-periphery struggle here. Discuss the actual topics.

613 Roger  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 7:17:34am

#605 Beagle, yes and then as soon as the French got nukes they were the first to pull out of NATO in 1966 because they were then capable of unilateral action, didn't need friends and begin their delusive rise as the great superpower they imagine they are. Along comes a little advertisement jingle and they get their panties in a knot.

Ok We'll stop with the jingles when in the case they have extra cash they quit funding the PLO(like Bush just did unfortunately) and pay some of their WWII debt.

I'm not so sure the French surrendered in WWII more than change sides and
tactics in anticipation of the post war era.

614 papertiger  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 7:18:25am

if this was a serious issue with Frenchmen , they would never have made a chicken their national symbol I reckon.
Check it out

YOu couldn't make this stuff up if you had too.

615 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 7:20:16am

#607 dustyroadguy:

the thread count on his bedding wasn't at least 600 explain the meaning for textile illiterates, please


Thread count relates to how many threads per square inch there are in a given textile. Asked, and answered, including the games the textile industry plays re: thread counts. It's usually considered that higher thread counts result in softer fabric for bedding (oh, and more expensive to boot).

616 Beagle  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 7:26:59am

You are not making fun of the national Gallic Cock, ARE YOU?!
That's the French National Cock! Is nothing sacred, like cock?!

617 Sandy P  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 7:36:47am

I emailed Carl Jr's w/the link to No Pasaran and suggested they surf the blogosphere for ammo.

And told them don't back down.

618 Steel Rain  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 7:37:07am

I notice their email link now simply leads to another page referencing famouse people of french decent.

I am not hysterical concerning france. Being hysterical has connotations of something recent. My distaste for france has been held for over 4 decades and is a cold, calculating thing. Believe me if there was any way I would pay to have the remains of a grandparent (WWI) and two uncles (WWII) returned to American soil. Unfortunately no such remains were ever found. They lost their lives due to french political ineptitude and military incompetence which led to these major conflicts.

By the way, since these boosters of france consider unkind words as racists can we assume they consider themselves as non-human and therefore subject to deportation say to mars?:)

619 cbearnm  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 7:42:22am

#424

#416
Alright, Jimmy let's use Occam's Razor, shall we?

Roger Ailes was a Nixon staffer.
Roger Ailes was a Reagan staffer.
Roger Ailes was a G.H.W. Bush staffer.

Now, get out Occam's Razor, and tell me...

...what pole of politics do you think he'd lean towards?

Gee, that's a tough one, isn't it?

Perfect argument.

Fox News is unafraid to display their talking heads' afiiliations. The MSM is too busy trying to appear 'fair and balanced' while hiding their bias, or trying to justify it as the mainstream American view.

Now if ABC, C..BS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC and PBS would be as open with their 'bias', we can relate them to Fox and have an intelligent discussion.

There is a reason Fox News is pissing off MSM, they are winning. It's great the Fox has become successful enough to be taking swipes from the left in this country.

Fox DOES tend to have many more liberals on their chat shows than the MSM has convservatives on theirs. (You can tell by how shrill some shows get when the liberal weenies are exposed.)

620 Got_truth  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 7:45:38am

Sounds like I need to eat at Carl's Jr more often...

621 zombie  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 7:56:39am
#433 ördög Johnson
#458 Anabel

Anabel, the link you provide actually supports some aspects of the Aborigines-have-a-different-ancestry- than-other-humans theory. Basically, the article quotes a scientist that says modern humans evolved in Australia (as opposed to Africa), implying of course that they evolved from an earlier form that was there. He finds this supposition necessary specifically because of the possible evidence that migrants arrived in Australia in the pre-Homo sapiens sapiens era. Look at the article again and read between the lines. In order to explain away the troubling data, he comes up with an even more preposterous theory (that humans evolved in Australia).

Again, I repeat, I'm not an expert in DNA, and I've never been to Australia, so I can't comment on the believability of the controversial theories regarding Aborigine origins -- I was merely mentioning that the controversy exists, not taking sides. And it was only to point out (in relation to an earlier post) that if we do have Neanderthal genes, they aren't necessarily spread worldwide, at least according to one theory.

The satisfying thing is that we were able to have a rational discussion about evolution without the ol' "creationism" topic rearing its ugly head, as it has a couple times recently.

622 Jocelyn  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 8:24:27am

Don't know why everyone is being so tough on the French.
They are much better allies than realized.

The Israeli's tried to kill Arafat for decades...No luck

The Jordanians tried to kill him in the 1970's...No luck


Lebanese factions tried to kill him in the 1980's...No luck


Two weeks of loving care in Paris...DEAD

623 Bubble Girl  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 8:29:31am

Garnier, Comment beau avoir une telle connaissance étendue de sa lignée. Nous avons commencé dehors bien, un de mes ancêtres avons été attribués une importante terre espagnole Grant qui a été volée de nous. Nous avons également un mélange du Français qui s'est produit pendant la règle de Maximilian, par conséquent mes yeux de vert et cheveux auburn légers. Un grand-grand grand-père a été recruté par le blanc dans le Texas Du sud pour les aider à apprendre comment manipuler leurs bétail, il était un vaquero, de même que ma famille pour les générations à venir. Les vaqueros étaient ceux pour enseigner aux blancs comment être des cowboys. Si je trouve jamais une certaine heure je devrais retourner pour promouvoir. Ayez une bonne journée, Garnier que c'était amusement vous observant battent la troupe d'Atrios !

624 exredtory  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 9:03:46am

But, but ... you just don't understand!

A writer for rabble.ca (aka Canadian Moonbat Central) explains it for you:

[Link: www.freedominion.ca...]

625 exredtory  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 9:36:45am

#555 American Infidel

Indeed ..

And furthermore, French military honour was only redeemed during the Second World War by the effectiveness of colonial troops - notably French Moroccan Goumiers fighting in Italy under the command of one of the few competent commanders (LeClerc was one) that the French had - Gen. Alphonse Juin, an Algerian/Corsican. The Moroccans were effective because - being Muslims - they were unafraid of death, enjoyed killing, and were utterly ruthless with the Germans. They were also as much a danger to the Italian civilian population as to the enemy:
"Whenever they take a town or village, a wholesale rape of the population takes place" [Norman Lewis, British Intelligence, quoted in The Path to Victory, by Douglas Porch (FSG, New York, 2004) Great book. He has an entire chapter about the Byzantine political and racial workings of the French armed forces during the war. After their victories, DeGaulle had to "whiten" up the army to deflect credit from the pied-noirs who had actually done the real fighting and winning.]

Porch also notes tt is said the word "goon" was a GI corruption of Goumier.

626 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 10:17:16am

# 580

Why would I weep for Arafat?

He was a corrupt leader of a hopelessly flawed movement that dealt with murderers.

Where have I ever said anything otherwise?

627 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 10:19:00am

# 605

Beagle, you're obviously another type who doesn't read properly.

I have said that being critical of French military planning in WW2 is legitimate. Why are you arguing with someone who isn't arguing with you?

628 Roger  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 10:28:16am

#627 Pragmaticus, so where did the panzers first roll?

629 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 10:31:49am

# 608

Jeezus, mika, you've confused yourself royally.

When did I understand the term Taqqiya? I've got no idea what it means. When did I respond to it demonstrating knowledge of it?

I've got no clue what it means, and I never gave any indication that I do.

I am NOT Hassan. I am not Ahab, whoever he is. I am not Arab or Iranian or Muslim of any sort.

Christ! You think FoxNews is a well packaged cavalcade of reactionary hotheading, or find the Pavlovian reaction to grasping, non-sequitur advertising tedious, and some here automatically assume you're Muslim? And you wonder why this place is thought of as knee-jerk and shoot first ask questions later?

ONCE AGAIN: I don't know what "taqqiya" means (I'm going to look it up, though) , I am NOT Muslim, I am NOT Hassan, I am not Ahab (but I do have a friend whose second name is Ismael. He isn't Arab or Muslim either, but his father is a Moby Dick freak, and the lucky guy gets to say " call me Ismael" if he wants to.)

630 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 10:33:30am

# 628

Into Poland. Have I disputed this?

What's your point?

631 Roger  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 10:52:43am

#630 Pragmaticus, and then what did the French do with their superior number of tanks?

632 steve miller  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 10:56:04am

Carl's Jr parent company bought out Hardees several years ago. Their menus are not the same, although they have some similarities.

Try a Western Bacon Cheeseburger (apologies in advance for the bacon and cheese mixing with meat - but oh-so-good).

633 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 11:00:09am

# 631

Sweet Jaysus, Roger, it's pretty obvious that the French blew things royally! That isn't the point! I'm not arguing!

The point was that France actually WAS invaded. Now, their response to it certainly wasn't as heroic as the Poles charging tanks with cavalry, and the Vichy government is indefensible, but a not inconsiderable number of French soldiers and civilians died during WW2. Many of those guffawing along with marketing campaigns (in this case) probably don't know that.

634 scorched earth 138  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 11:24:33am

"Now, their response to it certainly wasn't as heroic as the Poles charging tanks with cavalry"
The Pole charging panzers is a myth put forward by turd burglar propaganda miester gobbels. The Polish Army used horses to get around on the battlefield, but did not charge panzers on them. If the Brits and frogs would've lived up to their treaty obligations and simply WALKED into Germany when the Heroic, but under equiped Polish Army was going toe-to toe with 80% of the Wehrmacht, the war would've ended before 1940. If you stack the bodies, you will find the Polish Army fought harder with a hell of a lot less than the frogs did for their country. And for the record, I'm 1/4 frog myself.

635 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 11:27:36am

# 634

Thanks for the clarification on the cavalry charge myth.

636 Roger  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 12:14:09pm

#633 Pragmaticus, it's one thing to 'blow it' by making a mistake. But that is not what the French LLL politicians of their time did. I agree the Vichy government is indefensible. They 'played' everybody [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] They made deals behind their militaries back and sold them out to protect Paris. Like you said the Maginot was still intact and successfully stopped the Italian advance. de Gaulle had to start over from London, not the Maginot line. But people are not connecting the current French Consulate's class action lawsuit with the French who bled and died in WWII; rather the Vichy and post war de Gaulle government. See the link I posted in #613. Look at the time line. And at the ugly thing called 'aryanization'.

BTW, the Belgian position while occupied is inspiring; didn't know that before.

637 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 12:29:11pm

# 636

But people are not connecting the current French Consulate's class action lawsuit with the French who bled and died in WWII; rather the Vichy and post war de Gaulle government.

Do you really think that?

I'm not so sure. In the current "freedom fries" style of French derision, I very much doubt that all or even most of those engaged recognise what actually happened in France.

The Vichy were beyond surrenderers. They were collaborators. If it was a reaction to them, the response should be closer to outrage over conspiring with criminals than mere mocking for yellow-bellied-ness. There's that too, of course, but once again if you polled the average "yuk, yukk-er" at a French WW2 joke, I'm not convinced they would be able to tell you much that was accurate.

638 Embermage  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 12:58:14pm

#673 Pragmaticus

I really think that's an indefensible position. By those lights there's nothing in this world; not one single nation, not one single profession, not one single organization that can me made the butt of a joke. This means there will be no more jokes. None. Not a single one. In that case, we've lost far too much to being Politically Correct. In every group you can find the good people, you can find those who tried to do what was right. But there are also the idiots, those who couldn't find the right thing to do if you gave them a gps unit, a map, and an entire kennel full of guide dogs. Those are the people we lambaste with humor. If you've done nothing wrong, then there's no offence in the comment. Only if you're guilty will you jump at that bait.

639 Embermage  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 1:00:39pm

My mistake. I meant to cite #637. Chalk it up to incipient dyslexia. Or just plain old flatlining.

640 Bubble Girl  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 2:45:58pm

I cannot believe this thread is still going, unless Praggy is on a high thread quest. Meanwhile I have gone to bed, gotten up, gone to work, 6 auto accidents, 2 construction accidents, four cardiac arrests later I come home and find, this!

641 Stiiv  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 3:38:16pm

Since when are the French a race?

642 Studsup  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 3:49:23pm

#641 Stiiv -- "Since when are the French a race?"

During the 24 hours of LeMans?

643 Embermage  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 4:12:05pm

#642

Nope. That's when the French are _in_ a race. Kind of like Plaza del Toros in Pamplona. Only not as dangerous. Or as fun to watch. (Insofar as I find crazy people running from bulls fun to watch.)

644 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:07:15pm

# 639

That's fine EM. I didn't think you'd travelled into the future and dug out a post that I hadn't made yet.

It's not really a question of PC vs not PC. It's a question of tiresome jokes that aren't really that funny being pressed into service to hock junk food, and people here thinking it's a great kneeslapper. I know that ostensibly this is about the reaction to a lawsuit (which, incidentally, I consider ridiculous), but the root schtick isn't that witty or clever (except as a means of attracting attention, which is one of the main things advertising is supposed to do.) There's also the fundamentals of the matter, which have been pretty heavily thrashed out above.

I realise all humor is subjective to an extent, but really, at some point the goddam French thing has to become a bit worn out. It's also become such a rote thing amongst reactionaries to have moved out of the realms of humor and into a creepy zone.

645 mika.  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:17:18pm

#629 Pragmaticus

When did I understand the term Taqqiya? I've got no idea what it means. When did I respond to it demonstrating knowledge of it?

I've got no clue what it means, and I never gave any indication that I do.

I am NOT Hassan. I am not Ahab, whoever he is. I am not Arab or Iranian or Muslim of any sort.

:D

@442 I referred to you using taqqiya and should you have had any question regards the word you obviously would've asked for clarification right there and then. But you didn't. Because you knew perfectly well what it meant in your reply to that post.


Also,

Ahab: The son of Omri, whom he succeeded as the seventh king of Israel. His history is recorded in 1 Kings 16-22. His wife was Jezebel (q.v.), who exercised a very evil influence over him. To the calf-worship introduced by Jeroboam he added the worship of Baal. He was severely admonished by Elijah (q.v.) for his wickedness. His anger was on this account kindled against the prophet, and he sought to kill him. He undertook three campaigns against Ben-hadad II., king of Damascus. In the first two, which were defensive, he gained a complete victory over Ben-hadad, who fell into his hands, and was afterwards released on the condition of his restoring all the cities of Israel he then held, and granting certain other concessions to Ahab. After three years of peace, for some cause Ahab renewed war (1 Kings 22:3) with Ben-hadad by assaulting the city of Ramoth-gilead, although the prophet Micaiah warned him that he would not succeed, and that the 400 false prophets who encouraged him were only leading him to his ruin. Micaiah was imprisoned for thus venturing to dissuade Ahab from his purpose. Ahab went into the battle disguised, that he might if possible escape the notice of his enemies; but an arrow from a bow "drawn at a venture" pierced him, and though stayed up in his chariot for a time he died towards evening, and Elijah's prophecy (1 Kings 21:19) was fulfilled. He reigned twenty-three years. Because of his idolatry, lust, and covetousness, Ahab is referred to as pre-eminently the type of a wicked king (2 Kings 8:18; 2 Chr. 22:3; Micah 6:16).

Interesting isn't it. When I referred to you as Ahab I also had an additional meaning in mind though. I called you Ahab as a synonym for Arab. Being a Muslim means you are essentially an Arab nationalist. Wouldn't you agree? :)

And that is why I called you Ahab, Hassan. ;)

646 mika.  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:24:29pm

#629 Pragmaticus

I've never stated my opinion of Fox News. "Shiny" things do hold sway over my imagination as unfortunately, they do over yours. As long as Fox News do not fabricate their stories as do the BBC, CBS, CBC, and the rest of them commie "news" outlets, and Fox News are clear regards their agenda, I see little to fault them because of style.

647 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:31:36pm

# 645

Your delusions continue.

Once again: I am not Muslim. I am not Arab. I am not called Hassan or Ahab.

You really are making yourself look like a kneejerking idiot to keep on insisting that I am, and helping to cement the stereotype that this many here jump to absurd conclusions about race and religion at the slightest (or in this case no) provocation.

YOU'RE the one fascinated by and informed of minute details about Muslim dogma. By your logic, how the hell do I know you're not actually called Ali, doing a denial act.

Just grow up.

648 mika.  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:48:35pm

#647 Pragmaticus

Just grow up.


LOL

Deny it all you want. But I'm convinced.

649 Pragmaticus  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 5:58:49pm

# 648

Oh well. Some people are convinced that Elvis is alive.

Hold on to your delusions if you want.

But, once again, I'll have to restate it. I am not Arab. I am not Muslim. I am not called Hassan. I am not called Ahab.

And you are hopelessly incorrect.

650 mika.  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:14:45pm

Hassan, I know you well enough that your mannerisms scream at me with each sentence you complete. You don't fool me. And as for the others, I doubt they really care. Anyway, I wish you were a little more active in your posts since you've first registered. I would've have taken notice of you earlier. You know I always enjoy reading posts. :)

Now let's drop this sillyness and get back to serious business: you trolling this board.

651 mika.  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:16:05pm

#650 mika.

^your

652 Stop Hillary  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 6:47:40pm

Hey France! I stopped buying your wine or anything else that you make or is made by companies owned by French interests that I know about. So sue me.

653 Embermage  Mon, Dec 13, 2004 9:03:23pm

#644 Pragmaticus

You know, I think the point is that those who have no guilt should not respond. If it's all blatant lies and untruths then those who see the advertising should be able to tell.

If there's truth in the advertising, then it may not be so funny, but on the other hand, there's nothing possible to litigate. It's "flogging-a-dead-horse" humor... yes. So? There's a lot of jokes in this world that a lot of people tend to not find funny. As I said before, if we take away every joke that someone finds unfunny we'll never tell any jokes. That is a bad thing. It is _impossible_ to litigate humor, and if anyone tries, then... well... I'm thinking it's time to start voting from the rooftops. I know it sounds radical, but when the government starts trying to tell me what is and isn't funny, then there's a problem.

654 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:51:47am

# 650

Cutting and pasting now:-

"Once again, I'll have to restate it. I am not Arab. I am not Muslim. I am not called Hassan. I am not called Ahab."

And your profiling skills are sorely lacking.

Tell you what. If you're so f'n convinced that I am an Iranian born guy called Hassan, let's make it interesting. I'll bet you US$10,000 dollars that I'm not. Your Fearless Leader here can officiate as adjudicator. For that sort of money I'm sure we can come to some sort of arrangement with regards to proof.

So, are you game, or merely full of crap and willing to let all and sundry know it?

Oh, and, in case you have forgotten:-

"Once again, I'll have to restate it. I am not Arab. I am not Muslim. I am not called Hassan. I am not called Ahab."

655 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 7:18:48am

Hassan, as far as I'm concerned you've already been busted. I don't even need a confirmation from Charles. I know it's you. And no amount of hot-dogging is going to convince me otherwise. :)

656 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 10:01:44am

# 655

You're full of shit.

You know I'm not "Hassan". You've just latched on to this ruse as a way of amusing yourself and trying to gaffer tape me up with irrelevancies.

But it does reveal plenty about you. You take anyone who doesn't march to the party line here and try to ram the template of Muslim or Arab on them, even if it's just a ploy. It's utterly pathetic, and somewhat pathological, and shows just how much you and many others here are consumed by intractability.

The funny thing is that I think I know who you're talking about. Is the Hassan that I'm supposed to be the large guy from the Al Jazeera documentary? It seems so. I suppose you're going to grasp on to that as some sort of attempt at reverse psych, but for Christ's sake, it's not as if the piece is that obscure.

657 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 10:49:26am

You see Hassan, that's the difference between you and I.

I would never try and gag you in expressing whatever sentiment you care to express. In fact, let me encourage you in expressing whatever sentiment you care to express - starting with Islam, if you please. :)

And, I'd like you to be as creative in your characterization of this ideology and its founder Muhammad, as you have been in your characterization of Fox News and its supposed viewers. I breathlessly await your reply. :)

658 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 11:20:57am

First, as you know I am not Hassan, but this has already been established.

As an atheist, I condsider ALL religions myth based solutions to existential problems. I don't care if you venerate God, G-d, Allah, Buddha, Vishnu, Zoroaster, whoever. According to me, you're all praying to a figment of your collective imagination. I'm interested in religion from a historical and anthropological viewpoint, but that's it. Oh, I also appreciate the enormous contribution religious art and architecture has made over the centuries. Except for the last 100 years or so. Now it's mired in dreadful kitsch, except for a couple of rare examples.

With regards to Islam specifically, it is quite obviously today the religion most often pressed into service to encourage acts of violence and oppression. Anyone denying this is simply being disingenuous. Why this is the case is due to a number of reasons. From what I know about it, it seems to have a heavy militant streak that is easily perverted and used as a rallying cry by those who care to do so. It also prevails in some of the most unstable and politically troubled hotspots in the world. Now, you'll probably regard that as an indication that Islam leads to instability. I'm not so sure that correlation proves causation in this case. There are plenty of places with tumultuous political backdrops, and various religions are used for propaganda purposes. The more dishevelled a country, the more likely it is that religion will fall into the hands of the violent. Islam certainly doesn't help, but I don't think it's the actual root cause.

As for Mumammed, what do you want me to say? As an atheist, he is to me just another charismatic religious type who others ascribe a connection with a being who in my view doesn't exist. If you want me to play childish little games about whose propeht could beat up whose prophet, or who married who, I'm not interested. I hardly regard these figures as having a reliable enough biography to even grasp with quasi-certainty.

Now, how are you going to try to twist my words?

659 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 11:52:54am

So that's it? That's the best you can do?

"Mumammed is just another charismatic religious type.."
Islam "seems to have a heavy militant streak that is easily perverted and used as a rallying cry by those who care to do so.. "


Now let's see how this language compares with some of your other post in this thread:


"FoxNews is balls-out biased. I suppose they can be admired in a way, they don't even bother to disguise it. See the recent hagiographies of Bush II and Rumsfeld for examples."


"One of FoxNews's dronish leitmotifs is constant quips about "those French" and so on."


"I don't know if they've picked up on this one yet, but if I know my good ol' FoxNews, the two idiots on the morning show and the woman who is desperately fighting to stop the camera peeking up her skirt will be crapping on about it at some stage. "


"I'll lay incredulity rather than blame at the feet of people who are stupid enough to fall for the line "fair and balanced", however."


"El Rupe knows what he's doing."


"Even a Randinista such as yourself should be able to understand that Rupert Murdoch is a very smart man and knows exactly what he's doing. He is the absolute master of targetted media outlets. FoxNews is the reactionary, populist arm of his American media empire, and is enormously biased."


"Like most of the hive brains who bubble along here.."


"That marketing campaign, although effective because it would appeal to the sodium addicted lumps of lard who make up the rump of the company's target market, is about as funny as your average piece of Cox and Forkum agitprop."


"Good marketing to appeal to reactionary morons who harden their arteries at chain "restaurants". Obviously gleaned from the successes of Rupert The Murdoch's incessant auto-da-fe of French bashing. Juvenile, trite and effective, and has all of you trained seals clapping away with abandon. Next trick: spin a beachball on your noses!"


Why the the sudden tepidness when describing Islam its founder and its followers, Hassan? :)

660 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:07:08pm

# 659

For the millionth time: I am not Hassan.

And I gave my answer honestly, openly and sincerely. But you're not interested in that. You're only interested in a pissing match.

Oh well. You're doomed to live your life spinning around a single issue, making yourself all dizzy in the process.

This place is bad for you. It reinforces all of your most pathetic points by rewarding you for your pathological tendencies.

Once again: grow up.

661 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:09:05pm

Um, how do we know Pragmaticus is "Hassan".. And who is "Hassan".

BTW, Prag doesn't sound any different from my formerly Catholic LLL brother.

662 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:13:22pm

Hassan, you're not even making it interesting. Now, let's hear you say some bad things about Islam. We all know you're very capable if you so wished. :)

663 Tanker J.D.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:13:40pm

Yeah, I don't get it Mika? What's going on here other than moral equivocation and backtracking by Pragmaticus?

664 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:16:03pm

#663 Tanker J.D.

LOL.

Hassan, care to explain? :)

665 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:24:20pm

# 661

Hassan is a guy who works for al-Jazeera, and appeared in a documetary about that channel called "Control Room".

mika pretends that he thinks I am him because he gets some sort of thrill out of it, and he can pepper his replies with "LOL"s and ":)"'s while calling me Hassan.

I also like his oh-so-street use of the word "peeps". Next, he'll be "givin' propz", just like a genuine Backstreet Boy!

# 662

I am not called Hassan.

And I already have given my thoughts on Islam, which only a polemic idiot like you could take as not sufficiently strident enough to be valid.

# 663

I'm not backtracking anything. This thread started off about idiots guffawing along to tedious jokes designed to sell chicken burgers, and inevitably it followed the usual declension: dragging in something about Arabs and Muslims, no matter how frickin' irrelevant.

666 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:27:18pm

#661

Ed, you can learn more about Hassan i Sabbah here.

667 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:30:19pm

The bit about al-Jazeera is ruse Hassan made up to throw others off the sent.

668 Tanker J.D.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:32:18pm

Prag said:

This thread started off about idiots guffawing along to tedious jokes designed to sell chicken burgers, and inevitably it followed the usual declension: dragging in something about Arabs and Muslims, no matter how frickin' irrelevant

Well, o.k. So, after hundreds of comments people shifted the conversation. That's what happens in open discourse. Why are you so bent out of shape about it. I mean, after all, you also said:

[Islam] is quite obviously today the religion most often pressed into service to encourage acts of violence and oppression.

So, you too have a beef w. Islam. Perhaps you are bit more academic in the words you choose, but why all the fuss about people simply shifting from discussing a French-preceived insult, to the actual central theme of this cite: the War on Terror, and the enemy on the other side: Islamofacism?

And, you know what: the more you flip out about being called "Hassan," the more people will do it. Hassan...

669 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:33:16pm

# 666

Oh, some it's actually some other Hassan that you pretend you think I am.

Thanks for the clarification.

670 Tanker J.D.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:34:16pm

Prag:

Oh, and your backtracking was demonstrated by Mika in #659. You slam Fox for being biased, and then pronounce the underlying slant of Fox as if its fact. That's backtracking.

671 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:41:15pm

# 668

I said that merely because mika here asked me my thoughts on Islam. I realise that he is basically trying to goad me and shift the goalposts so he can get his jollies.

As for the central theme of this site, the problem with it is that it becomes an invasive disease. I don't know how anyone can deny that fundamentalist Islamic terrorism is not a problem, and I too agree that way too many Muslims look at these extremists as heroes, but the lengths to which the issue is taken here borders on the pathological.

The flights of fancy that many people take off on here with regards to the past, the present and the future are, quite frankly, unhealthy. Yup, it most definitely happens on the other side of the political spectrum, but I don't know how many homilies there are to illustrate that that is no excuse.

Oh, by the way, did I mention that I'm not called Hassan?

672 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:42:31pm

#669 Pragmaticus

Oh, some it's actually some other Hassan that you pretend you think I am.

Not at all. I was very clear about who I think you are. It is you that keeps mentioning al-Jazeera. You see, there's no editing of posts here. So we can all go back and read how your al-Jazeera ruse unfolded. :)

673 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:44:55pm

# 670

Uhhh...

That's not "backtracking", or at least not the definition that I understand.

It's called having an opinion, and standing by it.

And yup, FoxNews IS biased. That is its entire raison d'etre. To claim otherwise would be like trying to claim that democraticunderground.com isn't biased.

674 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:47:45pm

# 671

Woops.

Make:

"I don't know how anyone can deny that fundamentalist Islamic terrorism is not a problem"

into...

"I don't know how anyone can deny that fundamentalist Islamic terrorism is a problem"

675 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:49:29pm

Islam is a Religion of Peace. The problem is, it's being perverted. Right Hassan?

676 TotallySirius  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:50:21pm

Oh great, another pseudo-intellectual,amateur psychoanalyst,thought policeman.

Telling us what to think and how to feel about it

This is getting rather boring.

677 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:52:53pm

# 672

No ruse.

I thought you'd referred to the guy who you pretend to think I am as a journalist, when you did in fact say writer. That was my mistake.

I don't own a Mac, although I've toyed with the idea because you supposedly have an easier time with color management with them. I have never been to the appleinsider board. I am not Hassan. I am not Muslim. But you know that already.

678 TotallySirius  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:54:03pm

They've taken down the page in the link.

Perhaps they've dropped the suit due to the fact that the commercial is truthful.

679 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:58:48pm

# 675

I'd say the problem is that from what I know if it and from the evidence of actual events it is very easily perverted, more so than most other religions. As I've said, it has an extremely potent "call to arms" motif.

Like ALL religions, I find its canonical texts highly contradictory and fundamentally confused. You can make it sound like anything you want if you give it the right cant. Select the right bits, and it's the religion of peace. Select other bits, and it's an entirely different beast altogether.

Now, how in HELL is that not a reasonable summation?

680 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 12:59:03pm

Pragmaticus (#671):

As for the central theme of this site, the problem with it is that it becomes an invasive disease.

Aptly enough, "invasive disease" is exactly what Islam is. You see, terrorism is merely a tactic the enemy employs -- largely because it is singularily inept at any other kind of warfare and can only succeed in murdering the defenseless.

Islam is the enemy of our civilization because its an imperialistic supremacist ideology, a belief system having as its chief (virtually only) objective a limitless expansion -- a memetic virus, if you will, seeking to subvert the host's replication machinery to serve it's own propagation. That's why Islam can only survive by being a predator or a parasite, making use of the more successful cultures' resources.

What you call "a heavy militant streak" is in actuality Islam's very essence. Whatever calls to "tolerance" and "moderation" can be found within its texts are nothing more than mimicry, designed to circumvent the host's immune system response.

I don't know whether you're "Hassan" (or Ali, or Abdul, or Mohammed). However, your soft-pedaling of Islam -- while what I wrote above is self-evident to anyone with an open mind -- is highly suspicious.

681 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 1:03:59pm

# 680

However, your soft-pedaling of Islam -- while what I wrote above is self-evident to anyone with an open mind -- is highly suspicious.

Oh, bullshit. It's highly suspicious of nothing, and it's not soft pedalling.

It's only because this place is so ridiculously skewed that anyone who doesn't come in here screeching like a banshee about Islam is automatically considered apostate or an equivocator.

682 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 1:12:49pm
It's only because this place is so ridiculously skewed that anyone who doesn't come in here screeching like a banshee about Islam is automatically considered apostate or an equivocator.

In other words, we should be more "balanced" towards Islam to win your approval.

Two questions:

Do you wish to dispute my (far from only mine, actually) accessment of Islam?

Would you advocate the same "balanced" approach to, say, NSDAP ideology (try and prove that there is any meanigful difference between it and Islam)?

683 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 1:13:30pm

Hassan repeat after me:

The so called prophet Muhammad mentioned in the Koran is a pedophile, mass murderer, and all around evil criminal.

Can you do that, Hassan? :)

684 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 1:20:31pm
The so called prophet Muhammad mentioned in the Koran is a pedophile, mass murderer, and all around evil criminal.

There is few, if any, credible evidence that Mo actually existed (or was a single person). What is significant, is that such an unsavory figure is regarded as a flawless object of worship and imitation by the Muslims.

685 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 1:29:05pm

Looks like our writer is at a loss for words.

686 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 1:34:05pm

# 682

The Nazi party had a definitive singular fountainhead, its monoculture was absolute, its direction absolutely incontestable. That IS the balanced approach. You can argue about whether or not every German willing to throw up the fascist salute knew the full implications of their suport, but that's another debate.

Islam, like ALL religions, is much more splintered. Yup, you have a central prophet. Then, like every other religion I can think of, you have hundreds of years of people bickering and arguing about what that prophet (or prophets) said, who is following the path correctly and the best way to adhere to the "one true faith". It happens in: Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Every-God-Damn-Ism.

And I have never denied that militant Islam exists, or that way too many people support it. Furthermore, I think because of the "ummah" concept, way too many of those who are outwardly moderate hold a soft spot for Islamic terrorism inside, not so much out of religious devoutness but more out of the clubbish hostility that pervades much of human relations. Tribalism has an extremely ugly side to it, and the pan-Arab, pan-Islamic version can be particularily troubling. Islam is also a fiercely proselytic religion, and in the hands of those with a bent towards authoritarianism , this aspect of it leads to zero tolerance.

Having said that, I don't agree with your assessment. However, it's not out of some torch I carry for Islam, but merely because I think it's overly simplistic.

687 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 1:43:23pm

# 683

I am not Hassan.

And I'm not interested in your pathetic pissing match.

The Muhammed mentioned in the Koran seems to me like a failry typical charismatic warlord of his times. If you care to pay attention, you'll find that the mores of the 6th to 7th century were pretty brutal compared to our own. Marriage in higher echelon families in all sorts of cultures was done VASTLY for political reasons, and children were promised to suitors often at birth. Do I agree with this practice? Nope. Am I pathetically opportunistic in who I recognise this trait in like you are? Nope.

As an atheist, I don't consider Muhammed divine or revealed of divinity. I don't consider anyone as such.

688 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 1:48:31pm

686 Pragmaticus

Islam, like ALL religions, is much more splintered. Yup, you have a central prophet. Then, like every other religion I can think of, you have hundreds of years of people bickering and arguing about what that prophet (or prophets) said

Yup, that's the ticket.. /not


What is significant, is that such an unsavory figure is regarded as a flawless object of worship and imitation by the Muslims.
689 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 1:55:23pm

Still refusing to give your "charismatic warlord" and his followers the kind of tongue lashing you were only too eager to dish our again Fox News and its followers. Why is that Hassan? :)

690 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 1:57:21pm

#686:

Groups have group identity. Some of their members may not share certain traits, but that does little as to change the overall identity. And from that POV, Islam is is a monoculture, behaving in very predictable and fixed ways.

My assessment may seem "simplistic" to you, as it doesn't allow for the "outliers". Well, that's because they're irrelevant. And any other kind of approach to Islam is, frankly, a variation of head-in-the-sand at best and knowing subversion at worst.

691 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 1:57:59pm

689 mika.

Should read: .. to dish out against Fox News ..

(preview is my friend..preview is my friend..preview is my friend..preview is my friend..preview is my friend..)

692 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 1:58:18pm

# 688

For fuck's sake!

How much plainer do I have to make it!?

I have said that I:-

a) am an atheist.

b) think that Muhammed was a fairly typical 7th century warlord, and these were not pleasant times.

c) think that ALL followers of religion are wrong in ascribing divinity to prophets.

d) think that Islam is very easily perverted and that I believe that too many Muslims support terrorism even if they don't outwardly say so.

Yet still you try to dress me up as an apologist! As I've said, it's pathological!

One major triumph though...

You didn't refer to me as Hassan.

693 marshafactor  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:01:21pm

#687- How do you know there is no one Divine?
Have you BEEN everywhere? Have you seen everything?
That's an awfully dogmatic thing for a finite person to say.

What if God is hiding from you and doesn't want to be found? Does you really think that you can find this Divine being. Have you have looked everywhere?

The issues at stake here, (Besides your incredibly bold approach to matters pertaining to religion), is the fact that Muslims treat women horrifically, (which I cannot stand for as a woman) They have stated that they want to take over the world, Which, as a Christian, I will not tolerate, And they believe it is alright to have sex with children, which as a human, I will not stand for. They have blown up 3000 of my fellow American's and add 1000 more Jewish Humans.
They are on a war path, and on 9-11 we woke up.

Perhaps, one day, before they get you, you'll wake up as well.

"ISA 45:15 Truly you are a God who hides himself."

694 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:03:48pm

# 690

Okey dokey then Q.

What exactly do you want to do about it?

What's your master plan?

World War 3?

Reeducation camps? What?

695 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:07:19pm

# 693

Because there is not one billionth of a scintilla of evidence that there is a God other than other human beings saying so.

And your drumbeating and apocalyptic ravings don't provide any evidence either.

696 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:11:14pm

# 689

There are plenty of Muslim mouthbreathers as well as FoxNews swilling mouthbreathers.

Stupidity knows no religious, ethnic, national or cultural boundaries.

There? Happy?

And... I'm not Hassan.

697 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:14:00pm

# 694 Hassan

Let's start by acknowledging that islam is a fascist, nazi like imperialist ideology. Once we have a consensus on that, I think we can put forward with some concrete actions. :)

So Hassan, do we have a consensus? :)

698 marshafactor  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:19:37pm

Ok. If you're okay with their being no evidence, be okay with it.

I'm simply not sure how you get around the fact that they are considered martyrs who fly planes into buildings and kill innocent members of society. That they then go to heaven, to await their virgins, for an eternity of torturing their precious women through sexual means.
How, again, is that a peaceful religion?

But then again, you and I have nothing in common, This is a useless discussion. I can see no value in discussing anything with someone who cannot admit that there might SOMEWHERE be evidence for God that he might have overlooked. This ignorance is beyond me. It's one thing if you don't believe in Him. It's another thing entirely to deny all evidence of His existence. May He more gracious to you, than you are to Him.

699 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:22:45pm
What exactly do you want to do about it?

Several things, all quite sensible:

*Immediately reduce Muslim immigration to ZERO, radically curtail the "third-world" immigration in general; establish meaningul border security. Expel the Muslim non-citizen troublemakers, deal with citizens according to existing laws.

*Identify the enemy by its true name, educate the public accordingly. Make it known in no uncertain terms that Islam is not welcome here. Encourage Muslims to leave Islam and/or the country.

That should prety much take care of the problem: without being able to prey/parasitize on more accomplished cultures, Islam withers and dies on its own.

Additional steps that may become necessary:

*Occasional "Operation Parking Lot" (not "Operation Pearls Before Swine" we are engaged in in Iraq right now) against the more egregious enemy nations.

*Finally, taking direct control of the oild fields, if our oil (lifeblood) supply is threatened.

The list is by no means comprehensive. Everybody, feel free to make your own contribution.

700 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:23:11pm
What exactly do you want to do about it?

Several things, all quite sensible:

*Immediately reduce Muslim immigration to ZERO, radically curtail the "third-world" immigration in general; establish meaningul border security. Expel the Muslim non-citizen troublemakers, deal with citizens according to existing laws.

*Identify the enemy by its true name, educate the public accordingly. Make it known in no uncertain terms that Islam is not welcome here. Encourage Muslims to leave Islam and/or the country.

That should prety much take care of the problem: without being able to prey/parasitize on more accomplished cultures, Islam withers and dies on its own.

Additional steps that may become necessary:

*Occasional "Operation Parking Lot" (not "Operation Pearls Before Swine" we are engaged in in Iraq right now) against the more egregious enemy nations.

*Finally, taking direct control of the oild fields, if our oil (lifeblood) supply is threatened.

The list is by no means comprehensive. Everybody, feel free to make your own contribution.

701 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:23:16pm

# 697

I'm not Hassan, Arab or Muslim.

Since Islam doesn't have a central authority figure, it's impossible to say that.

However, it's definitely possible to say that some extremely significant Islamic sects have a fascistic imperialist ideology.

Saudi Wahhabiism and its more virulent offshoots is an obvious example. The royal family of course tries to keep its feet in moderate territory when it suits them, but the Imams have a different message to preach, don't they?

Gee, I WONDER just whose family is up to his gullet in connections with the Saudis? Hmmm, let me think...

702 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:24:54pm

And I cannot say that often enough ;-)

703 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:27:36pm

# 700

In other words, bring yourself down to the level of the apocalyptic fundamentalists you decry.

You have let them win, at least in your dark visions. Thankfully, even most reactionaries are not willing to follow a plan as demented as yours.

704 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:29:32pm

# 701 Hassan

The Saudis are useful tools. They keep OPEC oil cheap, and that keeps the Russian menace in check.

705 zulubaby  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:29:48pm
There are plenty of Muslim mouthbreathers as well as FoxNews swilling mouthbreathers.

Is FoxNewsswilling a religion? A cult? What is it!?

706 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:34:44pm

# 704

And you conveniently ignore the declaration I made about Wahhabiism. How very interesting.

Funny, for such a doctrinaire type about Islam, you're willing to engage in realpolitik when it suits.

Saudi Arabia, due to its vast wealth, is a significant means of the spreading of militant Islamic fundamentalism worldwide. Yet they get a pass from you because it's convenient.

Why have you become, um, pragmatic all of the sudden? They're Muslims aren't they? Don't they deserve unequivocal condemnation?

Pssst. I'm not Hassan.

707 zulubaby  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:36:02pm
Saudi Wahhabiism and its more virulent offshoots is an obvious example. The royal family of course tries to keep its feet in moderate territory when it suits them, but the Imams have a different message to preach, don't they?

No denying that. Why the Saudis are given the royal treatment is beyond me. They're the ones that need to be taken care of.

708 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:36:22pm

#703:

You have let them win, at least in your dark visions. Thankfully, even most reactionaries are not willing to follow a plan as demented as yours.

Is that the best you can do? LLL-inspired name-calling? How 'bout discussing my "dark visions" on their own merits?

Btw, I'm not a "reactionary", or even what is called a "conservative" in this country. I'm a (classical) liberal, and as such, a ruthless opponent of all the liberalism's enemies -- chief among them currently being theofascism as embodied in Islam.

709 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:36:36pm

You see Q, when officers shoot dead a murdering bustard, they are no better than that murdering bustard. Get it?!

/Hassan

710 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:36:53pm

# 705

Yes, FoxNews is a cult.

There is no god but Rupert Murdoch, and Bill O'Reilly is his prophet (and mighty handy with a loofah, too!)

711 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:39:40pm

#706 Hassan

Because we know Iranians are Shiite. And we know you are Iranian, Hassan. :)

712 zulubaby  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:41:19pm
Yes, FoxNews is a cult.

Well then it's just as well I don't watch it! What about the swilling part though, that sounded interesting.

Is CNNswilling a cult too? What about MSNBCswilling?

713 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:41:58pm

# 711

As I've told you, I am not Hassan. I'm not Iranian. I'm not Muslim. I'm not an Arab.

714 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:43:06pm

# 712

CNN is just hellishly boring. Best used as a soporific agent when trying to fall asleep in a hotel room.

715 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:44:41pm

# 708

First, there'd have to BE merit in what you have said to discuss that quality.

716 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:50:15pm

#715:

First, there'd have to BE merit in what you have said to discuss that quality.

In other words, you cannot refute my points on rational basis (wait, I already know your response: "But your points are not rational!").

717 FrankNH  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:52:58pm

Methinks, this Hassan doth protest too much.

(or at least too often)

718 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:55:09pm

# 716

You've got it.

They're not.

Not every idea that springs forth from some disaffected armchair general deserves serious discussion. And that's about the timbre of your fanatical desires.

719 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 2:56:00pm

C'mon, Prag, how is immigration reform without merit?

720 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:01:05pm

#718:

Again, nothing but ad hominems. Whcih means you have nothing of value to say.

721 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:03:08pm

# 711 Hassan

Folks, read that post carefully. Hassan is trying very hard to be clever..

As I've told you, I am not Hassan. I'm not Iranian. I'm not Muslim. I'm not an Arab.


Didn't say you were:

But your internet alias on AppleInsider is Hassan i Sabbah. You are of Iranian origin. You now have British citizenship, so you can no longer be Iranian. You profess atheism now, so at the moment how can you be muslim. And as someone of Iranian origin, you're not an arab. :)

722 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:09:10pm

# 719

Gee, I don't know. How could I POSSIBLY consider your ravings without merit?

What am I supposed to say? "That sounds fantastic, Q! I love the idea of exclusion because of race and religion! Hey, let's go and look up some handy tips from Edward the Ist and Isabelle y Ferdinand, or some more contemporary expellers and blockers! What a master stroke! Emulate the mindset of those you rail against! Of course, it won't mean you're becoming like them! No, no, no, no."

And your "leave Islam or leave the country" idea is simply wonderful! What will the trucks look like with the loudspeakers on them? What symbol will festoon the doors? Something worthy of printing on a t-shirt, I hope.

Seriously! How the FUCK could you put a mad plan like yours into practice without tearing up all that a free society holds dear?

723 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:10:08pm

# 719

Gee, I don't know. How could I POSSIBLY consider your ravings without merit?

What am I supposed to say? "That sounds fantastic, Q! I love the idea of exclusion because of race and religion! Hey, let's go and look up some handy tips from Edward the Ist and Isabelle y Ferdinand, or some more contemporary expellers and blockers! What a master stroke! Emulate the mindset of those you rail against! Of course, it won't mean you're becoming like them! No, no, no, no."

And your "leave Islam or leave the country" idea is simply wonderful! What will the trucks look like with the loudspeakers on them? What symbol will festoon the doors? Something worthy of printing on a t-shirt, I hope.

Seriously! How the FUCK could you put a mad plan like yours into practice without tearing up all that a free society holds dear?

724 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:13:37pm

# 721

No, you tedious twerp, I am making a list.

I am not Hassan.

I am not Iranian.

I am not Muslim.

I am not Arab.

I am covering off all the possibilities.

Futhermore, I don't have British citizenship.

And I have NEVER been on "AppleInsider".

725 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:19:02pm

#724

Do you swear by the koran?

726 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:21:20pm

Not that I would ever believe a taqqiya practicing treacherous rat as yourself. :)

727 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:22:54pm

# 725

I don't swear on any holy book. That would be as significant to me as swearing on the telephone directory.

I'm not Hassan, you know it, and I am obviously indulging you much more than I should by dancing to your tune. The only reason I'm doing so is that you actually MAY think that all jokes aside theres a chance that I am this erstwhile combatant of yours, and I'm doing my best to convince you otherwise.

728 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:24:11pm

#721:

All that passion. I seem to have struck a nerve. Good.

729 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:26:04pm

# 727

Read #726. You better learn that by heart, Hassan. :)

730 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:26:31pm

# 728

You don't think I should feel passionate about apocalyptic ravings?

Or are you simply spouting lunatical shit to get a rise?

731 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:29:57pm
Seriously! How the FUCK could you put a mad plan like yours into practice without tearing up all that a free society holds dear?

The continuing, unchecked, unlimited, immigration from the cultures whose values are totally inimical to ours, lack of any meaningful assimialtion and the resulting Balkanization are the things that will tear up all that a free society holds dear.

I am an adherent of a free society -- and therefore, I'm ruthless towards its enemies.

732 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:33:03pm

# 731

Thanks of the clarification, Slobodan.

Do you get an internet connection from your cell?

733 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:33:03pm
Or are you simply spouting lunatical shit to get a rise?

Actually, I was aiming for a rational discussion. Which seems to be beyond your abilities.

734 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:35:53pm

#732:

Good one. You're getting loonier/lamer by the moment.

735 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:38:14pm

hmmm.. apocalyptic ravings.. Spanish Conquista of Andalusia.. end the world.. hmmm.. 2004.. hmmm..

736 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:41:08pm

Pragmaticus may be a moonbat, but I believe him that he is neither Muslim nor named Hassan.

Fox News is far closer to being balanced than CBS or CNN. DemocraticUnderground is not the Fox News of the left.


Unless you've confused Free Republic with Fox News. Although the Freepers are a little less prone to bizarre conspiracy theories, and probabaly shower more frequently. And are more likely to actually work.

737 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:41:46pm

# 734

Y'see, that's the problem with this place.

Someone like you willing to divulge your black, fascistic fantasies is considered par for the course, yet you label me as extreme.

Quite honestly, if the sort of swill that you have written is what you really think, you actually need some psychological help. I'm not trying to be facetious or point scoring with this one, I'm being totally sincere.

Time after time you see denizens of this place hopping up and down in a pink fit about being called racist, fascist or merely doctrinaire. Then along comes someone like you, proposing what is tantamount to an expulsion based on religious and ethnic lines, and it's time for mute silence. I realise few people are probably looking on at this stage, but it's hardly as if your viewpoint is extreme around here, or is challenged very otfen.

Once again: seek some help. You really need it, unless this whole thing is merely bravado.

738 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:44:11pm

# 736

Fox News is far closer to being balanced than CBS or CNN.

Bullshit, Ed. It's much more polemic than either of the other two, who at least try to put a sort of concerned, learned face on their spin.

FoxNews just lets it rip. As I've said, Rupert would have it no other way. It's his competitive advantage.

739 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:48:34pm

#736

Ed, when you get the chance go to AppleInsider and look up Hassan's posts there. The more of them you will read, the more you'll understand we have a match.

740 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:49:02pm

Um, I don't think Q is calling for a Milosevic style genocide at all.

I think the US should welcome immigration (continued moderate expansion of the population is required for FDR's Ponzi Scheme, aka Social Security, to continue to function).


Buddhists, Sikhs, Jews, Hindus, Animists. Black, White, Asian, even Arab.


If they accept the right of the people of the United States to live in a Democratic Republic.

The whole Muslim desire for sharia and a Muslim Ummah is quite contrary to the whole basis of the United States. Devout Muslims don not believe in democracy, and shouldn't come to this country if they insist on an Islamic theocracy.

741 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:50:48pm

#737:

I simply value my and my civlization's survival and well-being above pleasing the sanctimonious doctrinaires blind to reality, such as yourself (if you're not indeed, as mika suggests, a conscious subversive).

742 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:57:27pm

# 741

Get some help. You need it. You have fascistic tendencies, never a healthy mindset.

You seem to have no idea who you sound like. Take your pick of history's bete noires, strongmen, dictators and tyrants. All of them justified their crimes in the same way.

743 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 3:58:24pm

Fox News has Alan Colmes, Susan Estrich (who ran the Dukakis campaign) and others. The closet to a polemicist is O'Reilly, who is something of an embarresment, really. Because they do not automatically believe the US is the root of all evil, because they decided "suicide bomber" was a little too innocuous, does not make them a tool of the Republican Party.


Unlike, say, Dan Rather, who does Democrat party fundraisers, or "60 Minutes II" which had the bash Bush book of the month club for months.


CNN's token conservative is Tucker Carlson, a somewhat effete man with poor debating skills.

MSNBC gives Pat Buchanan, who is a conservative moonbat.

Is Fox "fair and balanced". Not really, but they are far less the shills for Bush than Rather and Couric and Jennings are shills for the DNC.

Of course, when you define "centrist" as Michael Moore or Whoopi Goldberg, than I guess Fox is as far right as DU is far left.

I think the real reason the LLL goes batsh!t over Fox News is that it is the one channel that doesn't follow the "CBS/ABC/CNN/NYT/TIME/Newsweek 90% of our staff have never voted for a Republican" party line.

744 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:01:10pm

Hassan:

who at least try to put a sort of concerned, learned face on their spin.

and therein its insidiousness

745 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:02:43pm

#742:

How is calling for a sound immigration policy fascistic?

How is opposing theofascism fascistic?

746 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:05:01pm

# 744

I'm not Hassan.

...and as I already said, you can sort of admire FoxNews for their brazen lack of care for the veneer of objectivity. Until, of course, they put up their slogan.

Can you give me a link to a Hassan post? I'm not registered at AppleInsider, can't be fucked doing so, and therefore can't search there.

747 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:05:25pm

Actually, I do happen to have dark fantasies. However, I'm lucky enough to have willing participants for acting them out.

748 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:08:06pm

# 745

Arbitrary discrimination with no tangible evidence of action or intent other than ethnicity and/or religious affiliation is fascistic. It is anathema to the bedrock of the society you claim to want to protect.

Once again, a mental health professional would be able to give you some help with your totalitarian mindset. I'm sure your doctor can refer you to someone.

749 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:13:10pm

#746 Hassan

Good one Taqqiya boi!

750 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:17:00pm

# 749

Just do it, for the love of Christ.

Show the good folk here the similarities please.

Let's see the telltale signs of idiolect.

You can't post a little link now?

P.S. I'm not Hassan.

751 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:19:38pm

Q, face it, you're a Nazi. You really need to be locked up and sedated.

752 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:19:39pm

Mika


Can you debate Prag w/o calling him "Hassan"?

BTW, ever driven an F-1 race car for a living?

753 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:24:42pm

#748:

There is nothing arbitrary against opposing theofascism and barbarism in general and Islam specifically; and there is more than plenty of quite clear and irrefutable evidence both of Islam's nature and of the results of significant Muslim presence within the host nations.

Furthermore, Islam is an ideology, not an ethnicity -- although I do understand why you're trying to drag ethincity in so insistently.

And as long as psychobabble is being spouted, your condition is called "denial" or "willful selective blindness".

754 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:27:08pm

"There is nothing arbitrary against" = "There is nothing arbitrary about"

755 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:27:14pm

# 751

Nope, he doesn't need to be locked up and sedated, unless he goes on some Travis Bickle style rampage.

He does, however, need to sort out the difference between his unworkable totalitarian fantasies and reality. Talking about it with someone trained in unpicking unhealthy mindsets could be a very valuable step for him. That goes with a whole slew of the denizens here.

756 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:31:33pm

#752

Does test driving a Pontiac count?

757 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:33:57pm
Nope, he doesn't need to be locked up and sedated, unless he goes on some Travis Bickle style rampage.

Not my style. Mine is more along Hannibal Lecter's lines.

758 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:34:32pm

# 753

It, like many other religions, is an ideology/theology that is very often defined within certain ethnic groups. Of course there are convertees, but you're talking about immigrants, the vast majority of whom would not be convertees.

How exactly are you proposing to sift through the applicants to discern whether or not they are Muslim, and what on earth could they do to prove they are not? Are you going to have enforced ham sandwich eating at the border? A welcome glass of schnapps?

Once again, all of this gussying up of your totalitarianism are the same sort of empty justifications every grubby tyrant in history has used at some stage or another. So, if you want to wallow in filth, be my guest. Just don't expect someone without your tendencies to want to hop into the grime with you.

759 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:46:23pm
How exactly are you proposing to sift through the applicants to discern whether or not they are Muslim

Um, they come from the Muslim countries?

You seem to be under the sway of a delusion that immigration is somehow a basic right. It is not.

We are entirely justified in discriminating (that is, telling unlike things apart) between those we are willing to admit into our home, and those we don't. Letting Muslims in is harmful to any nation's health. As simple as that.

760 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:48:37pm

#758

But of cos! Why bother. You'll just get dirty..

761 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 4:51:47pm

Why fight and discriminate against Nazis, or Communists, Islamocysts? You'll just get dirty..

762 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 5:07:33pm

# 759

Letting Muslims in is harmful to any nation's health. As simple as that.

Do you practice sounding as if you're transcribing the pages of Der Sturmer, or does it just come naturally to you?

763 TalkinKamel  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 5:50:27pm

Mika:

You caught a live one alright! Question is---what is it?

Pragmaticus:

Q actually raises a good point in Post #759; immigration is a privilege, not a right. Few countries are as generous as the US, in keeping its borders so open, and letting in so many immigrants. We're at war. The US has a duty to protect its citizens, and, yes, that includes keeping out enemy nationals. We have no obligation to let anybody in, just because they want to come here---especially if we think they might be dangerous. (Remember the 19 Saudi hijackers? I wish we had kicked them out!)

Do you really think Americans were allowed to pop in and out of Tokyo and Berlin during WWII? Or that we allowed Germans and Japanese into the country back then?

And enough with the Sturmer/facist accusations already! Q and I have had our disagreements, but he's no facist. Instead of calling him a Nazi, why don't you try a counter argument? Try explaining to us why we must allow people from countries which are at war with us, and have cultures which are violently opposed to our own, to live here?

764 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 6:00:28pm

#762:

Y'know, I keep letting it slide, just 'cuz you sound so ludicrous hurling your pathetic insults. However, in real life, that would be the point where I'd finally hit you with a barstool across your fucking face.

765 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 6:08:22pm

# 764

Good for you, you hotheaded, in-need-of-mental-health-attention fundamentalist.

Glad to know you admit to your instability.

Now, go to your doctor and let him know of your tendencies to violence. This place is bad for you.

766 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 6:16:42pm

# 763

I NEVER said that countries had an obligation to admit all and sundry. If I did, please show me where.

And if you read Q's sick little fascist fantasy, you'd see that it goes well beyond simple immigration policies. It basically calls for punishment of thought before deed, and incredibly fascistic concept.

That's the thing. You people have convinced yourself that much of what goes on in here passes for normal. It doesn't. It's extremism, and often a very ugly kind.

767 Q  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 6:17:36pm

I gotta hand it to you, you're a skillful taqiyya practitioner. However, the ruse is over -- you've shown yourself to be not an honest opponent, however misguided, but a conscious subversive.

The dialog is over. You're abolished. Go fuck a high-voltage outlet.

768 Pragmaticus  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 6:23:00pm

# 767

Yes, more fantasies and delusions. The classical paranoid.

The neuroses just keep on piling up.

Why don't you relax by sketching some of those reeducation camps that you have fantasies of building? Make sure the barbed wire is nice and sharp.

769 mika.  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 6:35:22pm

#763 TalkinKamel

Q: what is it?
A: #608

770 dustyroadguy  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 6:40:40pm

fellow LGFer's Pragmaticus is a TOAD and is looking for thread length bragging rights, IT is not worthy of your effort and time...

771 Partisan  Tue, Dec 14, 2004 7:22:29pm

#748 Pragmaticus

Arbitrary discrimination with no tangible evidence of action or intent other than ethnicity and/or religious affiliation is fascistic.

Uhm, they want to immigrate to the US. We should discriminate between ideologies that which the US harm and those that do not.

#755
unworkable totalitarian fantasies

Please review US immigration policies from the 19th and early 20th century.

#766
I NEVER said that countries had an obligation to admit all and sundry.

Please see your 748 above...

It basically calls for punishment of thought before deed

Islam has declared war on the US, and has attacked the US, those that adhere to that ideology are our enemies. Simple.

You people have convinced yourself that much of what goes on in here passes for normal. It doesn't. It's extremism, and often a very ugly kind.

Sorry, it is not extremism, 1400 years of Islam attacking the West is not something I'm willing to allow you to talk me out of.

772 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Wed, Dec 15, 2004 3:24:56am

¡¡¡ LAST !

773 Q  Wed, Dec 15, 2004 6:19:29am

Not so fast.

774 mika.  Wed, Dec 15, 2004 6:39:47am

Hassan,

you may have a talent for writing but unfortunately not so much for critical thinking. You enjoy the freedoms and privileges that a Western lifestyle has afforded you, and yet, your work is subversion and weakening the defense of your hosts against Islamic imperialists. We all know the legacy of Islam and the sorry wastelands it now occupies. We are all familiar with the malignant, backward civilization that is Islam. Remember, you yourself escaped this civilization for a reason. Think what that reason is. I know tribalism is something very difficult to overcome and deprogram emotionally. But I know you're intelligent enough to understand why Islam must be stopped, starved out, and rolled back into the dustbin of history. This will require action. People are going to get dirty. You throwing mud at them is evil. I know you know this. Remember, those that are kind to the cruel are cruel to the kind. Islam = Nazism. And the remedy to Islam is the same. Death.

775 Tanker J.D.  Wed, Dec 15, 2004 7:09:56am

I can not beleive this is still going on...

776 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Wed, Dec 15, 2004 8:18:56am

776


¡¡¡¡¡&iexclLAST!


Weird, I'm losing exclamation points from the end.


I have carefully balanced upside down and rightside up !'s, yet I'm losing some.


Still,

LAST

777 cba  Wed, Dec 15, 2004 1:57:10pm

#776:
Hi, Ed!

{tee, hee}

778 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Wed, Dec 15, 2004 4:11:57pm

778

&iexclLAST!

779 composmentis  Wed, Dec 15, 2004 4:18:41pm

#778 Ed Moran

How is your avocado? Did it LAST?

780 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Wed, Dec 15, 2004 4:39:48pm

779


Still don't know. It looks sickly and withered. Yesterday its leaves were a dark green and had an almost waxy gloss. Now the leaves are withered and splotchy.

781 composmentis  Wed, Dec 15, 2004 4:57:06pm

#780 Ed

Have three in NC, inside all winter, started from seeds of large green fruit from FL. Do well couple of years then become root-bound. Pretty foliage. Easy to start. Hope they LAST.


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