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Sun, Dec 26, 2004 at 5:45:08 pm PST

If the problems within Islam all stem from a tiny minority of extremists, why is the Saudi royal family concerned, according to a rare moment of honesty from the Associated Press, with having their “Islamic credentials” questioned? Where Is Christmas in Saudi Arabia? (Hat tip: nonesuch.)

The government, fearful of having its Islamic credentials questioned because of a serious crackdown on Islamic militants, has given religious police more leeway when it comes to clamping down on religious contraband.

But not only the government shuns religious symbols. Medical workers say some Saudi patients refuse to take some medications because they mistake the cross-like indentation in tablets for religious crosses.

The bans go beyond Christian symbols. Small statues of Buddha are confiscated at airports, and Buddha pictures on a popular CD have been colored over. Ironically, a CD of Gregorian chants sitting next to it was left untouched.

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1 myoclonic jerk  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 3:50:47pm

Oh mighty Allah, tell me who to smite, and they shall be smoten!

Contrast this with St. John the Divine in NYC, where they sell false idols in the gift shop, celebrate the winter solstice, and have goldfish in the church proper.

2 JohnAnnArbor  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 3:51:05pm

Islam is wildly insecure to think such measures are necessary.

3 Gambisin  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 3:55:58pm

Avid suppression and vile jealousy of all affection toward others, thy name is Islam.

4 sonofsheldon  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 3:58:45pm

It's interesting that in ghetto culture as presented in the media, especially rap, one's street credentials are checked before someone is accepted as "genuine". It was that way with punk too. This seems to go deeper. It sounds like more of a spiritual poverty that has to be hidden by overt demonstrations showing that, "Hey! I can be more Islamic than you!"

5 PDM  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 3:59:12pm
Medical workers say some Saudi patients refuse to take some medications because they mistake the cross-like indentation in tablets for religious crosses.

Away with all medication featuring the Christian Infidel cross and invented by the Jew Infidel doctors! All technology and knowledge is haram! We want to die as honorable Muslims!

6 eieio  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:02:26pm

Hey Mujahedeeen, there are no crosses on the Jonestown
Kool-Aid (or alcohol even) and you can get to Paradise (and your raisins) without exploding.

7 SwampWoman  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:02:49pm

#2 JohnAnnArbor

Islam is wildly insecure to think such measures are necessary.

Heh. Because juuuuuust about every other religion is more fun to belong to AND requires less prayer.

8 [Engineer]  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:05:42pm

OtT What is the name for the garment that Muslim woman wear that is sort of like a cutoff hooded sweatshirt?

9 mickthemick  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:07:02pm
One florist told customers that several dozen fresh trees from Holland were intercepted at the airport, hacked to pieces and then sent back to Holland.

What on earth is the major malfunction with these psychopaths that they hack non-Muslims and their things to pieces?

10 jrdroll  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:07:07pm
ome Saudi patients refuse to take some medications because they mistake the cross-like indentation in tablets for religious crosses.

It must be tough to do addition in SA+++++++

11 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:10:14pm

I rather prefer they don't take the meds..........................

12 Catttt  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:10:52pm

This quote from Sahih Bukhari (one of the Hadith) is kind of a summing-it-up-in-a-nutshell, for me.

We are Arabs; we led a hard, miserable, disastrous life. We used to worship trees and stones. While we were in this state, our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.’

13 Maine's Michael  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:11:16pm
Medical workers say some Saudi patients refuse to take some medications because they mistake the cross-like indentation in tablets for religious crosses.

Not enough are refusing their meds . . . .

14 [Engineer]  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:13:11pm

#5 PDM

way with all medication featuring the Christian Infidel cross and invented by the Jew Infidel doctors!

Now there is a project for someone. Find out all the drugs that were invented by Jews and let the Muslims know. Should increase the death rate among Jew haters.

15 mickthemick  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:13:31pm
The woman declined to be identified because she said the topic may hurt Saudi sensibilities.

It would not be Saudi sensibilities that would be hurtin' if the religious police found out about her Christmas party, and everybody knows it. And the Chicago Trib has the stones to tell its readers how awful U.S. policies in the Muslim world are - like the situation described in this article would be any better if the governments in the Islamic world were "more representative of their people."

16 Bubble Girl  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:14:38pm

#13 Mike's Maine -

Maybe we could start a pharmaceutical corp, put out generics with little Star of David's on them......

17 Catttt  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:15:16pm

I read an article by a Saudi prince making fun of the Saudi religious laws. He couldn't get a product-name registered in Saudi Arabia, because there was an x in the name. His commentary was scathingly sarcastic. He also made sport of their draggingly slow approval/denial process.

Warning - if you go to SA, for Pete's sakes, don't ask for hot-cross buns.

18 [Engineer]  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:19:10pm

#5 PDM

Now that I think about it, that really is dumb. If my doctor gave me a drug that some Nazi had invented, I not only would take it, I would get satisfaction from the fact that a Nazi was helping a Nazi-hater to live.

19 Bubble Girl  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:20:10pm

Cattt -

or Jewish rye?

20 Belize042  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:21:40pm

#11 AtlasShrugged

I dunno. If ever there was a society in need of augmenting fluoridation of water with Prozac-ation, it's KSA. Some meds benefit people other than those taking them.

21 jrdroll  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:23:03pm

Shut down SA. Put a big cross and star of david on all the container ships going there.

22 [Engineer]  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:23:29pm

Cattt -Bubble Girl

Please don't talk about Jewish food. I had to give up bagels (I am diabetic and bagels convert straight to sugar) and I love them.

23 Kafirus Maximus  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:25:21pm

I like the sign! Really I would just hve the muslime side lead to a gigantic trash compactor.

24 PDM  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:25:38pm

#18 [Engineer],

If my doctor gave me a drug that some Nazi had invented, I not only would take it, I would get satisfaction from the fact that a Nazi was helping a Nazi-hater to live.

That's because you think like a Jew and don't let stupid pride get in the way.
The only way for a Muslim to make "Jewish medicine" halal is to steal it.

25 Raziel (Troll Devouring Blader)  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:26:05pm

22) Engineer]

Have you tried Jachnun?

26 Catttt  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:29:01pm

Engineer, hope that doesn't apply to all grain products. That would be very limiting. I had a stupid gluten problem, but I outgrew it, thank goodness.

27 [Engineer]  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:30:16pm

#25 Raziel (Troll Devouring Blader)

Have you tried Jachnun?

No. I just googled and it just told me how to make them. What's the deal?

28 [Engineer]  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:31:42pm

#26 Catttt

Engineer, hope that doesn't apply to all grain products.

No, if it did, I might just plug the plug:-)

29 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:33:49pm

#20 Belize042

While i find your optimism rather sweet, it is most naive. The meds you refer to affects chemical messengers within the brain. These meds just aint gonna cut thru nuerotransmitters made of shit.
in the words of a fave band o' mine:

L-O-B-O-T-O-M-Y!

30 Dave the.....  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:33:54pm
Now that I think about it, that really is dumb. If my doctor gave me a drug that some Nazi had invented, I not only would take it, I would get satisfaction from the fact that a Nazi was helping a Nazi-hater to live.


Actually a version of that debate came up a few years ago. Should Nazi research, the horrible research we all know about, be used today if it can be useful in advancing medicine/health care?

31 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:34:08pm
ome Saudi patients refuse to take some medications because they mistake the cross-like indentation in tablets for religious crosses.

And I wouldn't take a pill with a moon on it. Would you?

32 AtlasShrugged  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:34:23pm

VIVA THE RAMONES!

33 reader  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:35:29pm

At least we know who's in the FASTLANE to hell.

34 Promethea  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:41:51pm

#15 mickthemick . . .

And the Chicago Trib has the stones to tell its readers how awful U.S. policies in the Muslim world are - like the situation described in this article would be any better if the governments in the Islamic world were "more representative of their people."

Yeah, that stupid article started my day off all wrong. Who does the Tribune think they're helping when they foster these stupid kinds of namby pamby articles about Islam?

If sharia comes, there won't be any Tribune. But that's too nuanced a thought for them to hold in their teeny weeny heads.

35 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:42:52pm

The "Saudi" champagne of carbonated water and apple juice won't cut it.


Back in high school, I added a pinch of yeast to 4 bottles of Ocean Spray Cranberry Juice Cocktail.

Two actually exploded, but the other bottles had a fine sparkling wine.

36 Promethea  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:43:01pm

#16 Bubble Girl . . .

Maybe we could start a pharmaceutical corp, put out generics with little Star of David's on them......

Quite a few generics are made in Israel. Tell the Moops.

37 [Engineer]  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:46:41pm

30 Dave the.....

Actually a version of that debate came up a few years ago. Should Nazi research, the horrible research we all know about, be used today if it can be useful in advancing medicine/health care?


IIRC, the question is moot, the information was used.

38 Raziel (Troll Devouring Blader)  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 4:48:34pm

27) [Engineer]

When you mention how much you like Jewish food, I was merely asking if you tried (or Heard of) Yemenite Jewish food such as Jachnun.

You will find a few pics and some info on Jachnun to give you an idea.

39 Uncle Frome  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 5:06:20pm

Does anyone know what that sign is actually for? It appears to be a road sign, but how is the segregation applied? Is it from a border crossing? Are certain streets reserved for Muslims only? What gives? Can anyone explain it?

40 Bill Jefferson  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 5:13:02pm

The historic reluctance of some Jewish immigrants to make the "X" -- IIRC there is some legitimacy to the belief that this way of 'making one's mark' comes from the Christian cross -- lead to a common slur. Peggy Noonan titled a book in part from the fact that a "cross" appeared in the WTC remains -- something to be expected given that structural steel is typically joined at right angles.

Compared to the harmlessness of making a circle on a form or to making a weakened metaphor, refusing to take possibly life-saving meds because of a mark left in the automated manufacturing process is incomprehensibly stupid.

41 Zack  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 5:13:15pm

So that would be a no-go on wearing a Santa suit to the mall during our visit to Riyadh?

42 ErnieG  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 5:30:33pm

#39 Uncle Frome

I've never been there, but I've seen pictures of that sign before. It appears to be at the last turn-off before Mecca. The left turn will take you straight to Mecca, where only Muslims are allowed.

43 ErnieG  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 5:36:48pm

The pill thing is just too funny. The cross mark is, obviously, to enable breaking a pill into fractional doses.

Even as we discuss this, researchers at Muttawa Pharmaceuticals are working night and day, trying to figure out how to make a pill break into neat fractions by marking it with a crescent.

44 reader  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 5:48:44pm
45 Ackomanyuki  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 5:52:17pm

I had a microfiche with all 1700 and some odd pages of both Testaments mounted on a 2x2 slide frame the entire time I was working in KOSA. I could never have read it without a reader and never cared too, but it sure geve me pleasure knowing I had got one by the bastards. Someone should find a source for these so that when we all become Dhimmis we can carry them as a form of silent protest. Sorta like the secret Jews in Spain during the inqusition. Only kidding, fight the Good fight, carry on!

46 TouchDown  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 6:10:17pm

Wow look at that photo from Saudi Apartheid Arabia.

That image shoul become the new spearhea of a new campaign to highlight the religious an sexual aprartheid in the anti infidel state.

47 Clio  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 6:37:38pm

There was a really egregious example of Saudi fanaticism and US compliance during Gulf War I.

President Bush I went to Saudi Arabia to spend Thanksgiving with the US troops sent there to save the Saudis from Saddam Husein.

The President of the United States was told that he could not recite Grace at a Thanksgiving dinner with U.S. troops.

What did he do?

He meekly held his Thanksgiving dinner aboard a US Navy vessel outside of Saudi territorial waters.

How can that not inflate the already over-inflated Saudi vanity?

48 Howling Cat  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 6:41:35pm

#16 Bubble Girl

Maybe we culd start a pharmaceutical corp, put out generics with little Star of Davids on them . . .

Check with me after payday. I'll invest.

49 zulubaby  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 6:52:07pm

I'm so pleased you posted the picture of Apartheid Mecca, Charles. It makes the point so eloquently.

50 David  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 7:09:40pm

#49 zulubaby

I agree. But of course, according to "enlightened" opinion (and Aisha), there is only one "apartheid" state in the Middle East. Guess which one?

51 zulubaby  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 7:12:07pm

David, don't remind me. I have that picture saved. It comes in handy when battling the Jew-haters.

52 David  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 7:19:32pm
The President of the United States was told that he could not recite Grace at a Thanksgiving dinner with U.S. troops.

And then after 9/11, his son invites a whole lot of Imaams to the White House for an End-of-Ramadan party, and carries on about the "Religion of Peace".

If only Americans and Christians/Jews were 1/10th as hostile to the good ol' RoP as are Saudi Mohammedans to every other religion, these people might have a little humility.

53 QueenEsther  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 7:22:33pm
One florist told customers that several dozen fresh trees from Holland were intercepted at the airport, hacked to pieces and then sent back to Holland.

The Saudis are pathetic.

54 Belize042  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 7:25:15pm
One florist told customers that several dozen fresh trees from Holland were intercepted at the airport, hacked to pieces and then sent back to Holland.

They hate the trees! Stay away from the trees!

55 PDM  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 7:27:54pm

#53 QueenEsther,

The Saudis are pathetic.

Imagine the joy they would get if the trees could bleed.

56 zulubaby  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 7:29:21pm

QueenEsther, they're meshugeh.

57 Hulegu Khan  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 7:38:34pm

There is a convenience store that is just a little larger than a Stateside 7-11 on the Saudi Arabian Airlines housing compound (Saudia City) in Jeddah. We were there in the late 1980s when the mutawwah (religious police) raided the place. They were tipped off that the store had some boxes of Nabisco animal crackers on its shelves. They came in, knocked all the boxes onto the floor and stomped them all into bits. Then they hauled the manager of the store off to jail. We never saw the manager again so we don't know what happened to him.

All restaurants in the kingdom must have a section set aside for "families" and one for men only. If the premises are so small that two segregated areas cannot be made, it is not uncommon to see signs posted that read, "Families Not Allowed". Even hospitals have a "men's entrance" and a "women's entrance".

When you are over there you kind of get used to seeing it and it becomes second nature. But after being back in civilization for many years we reflect on what we saw and we realize how incredibly f*#%ed up that society really is.

If they are intent on dying in the name of their demented ideology and are determined to impose thier islamofascism on us, then we definitely need to help them die.

58 QueenEsther  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 9:10:51pm

#55 PDM  

Imagine the joy they would get if the trees could bleed.

But I heard the Jordyptian's olive trees do bleed. And cry too. ;)

#56 zulubaby  

QueenEsther, they're meshugeh.

Zulubaby, lets start a collection to send those PEST syndrome shrinks over there for some group therapy!

59 LC LaWedgie  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 9:45:21pm
Saudi patients refuse to take some medications because they mistake the cross-like indentation in tablets for religious crosses.

Yeah, but once the government assures them that Bayer assisted Mengele, they'll be gulping them like Eid candy.

60 mich-again  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 9:45:45pm

IDK, I kinda think that watching the Saudis today is almost like living a history lesson from early Rome or Constantinople. How do people of immense power use the base instincts of the gullible masses to preserve their own status?

If you want to understand the universe look at molecules and if you want to understand the present look at the past.

61 alkmyst  Mon, Dec 27, 2004 12:43:47am
#14 [Engineer] 12/26/2004 06:13PM PST

#5 PDM
way with all medication featuring the Christian Infidel cross and invented by the Jew Infidel doctors!

Now there is a project for someone. Find out all the drugs that were invented by Jews and let the Muslims know. Should increase the death rate among Jew haters.


It'll cut down on the number of unwashed masses...
Anybody there with money has a sellout Jew or Christian or Buddhist doctor, cuz they know they could never trust an arab one...

62 alkmyst  Mon, Dec 27, 2004 1:02:23am

About the whole no-cross thing,

is it any wonder that when they attack us, they generally use a whole magazine? I mean really, if they could just get past that little hangup and use a scope... (+)
MAybe that's why we consistently kick their asses when our government allows us to actually fight back.

63 insane_kufr  Mon, Dec 27, 2004 1:42:56am

Substitute "Whites" for muslim and "non-whites" for non-muslim and then look at the traffic sign.

Talk about apartheid.

Why do they want to segregate the non-muslims from the muslims, so the roving gangs of extremists can more quickly target infidels?

NUKE MECCA NOW!

64 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Dec 27, 2004 4:21:59am

One road leads to darkness and ignorance and other to freedom and light.

They want Mecca to be pure an holy. Yet for all their attempts at keeping their site from outsiders, non-Muslims have been to Mecca. In terms of Holiness, that only comes from a direct relation with the Creator. I submit no people on this earth are have more distanced themselves from the ability to be holy than the Saudis. They have substituted tyranny for love of G-d and microobservance without soul over piety and substance.

There is a reason that Muslims all over the world hate the Saudis and this is it.

65 Julie  Mon, Dec 27, 2004 4:59:06am

#57
What's the deal with the Nabisco animal crackers? I got the pills with crosses immediately, but...animal crackers?
Are pigs and dogs in the mix?

66 Hulegu Khan  Mon, Dec 27, 2004 5:10:52am

#65 Julie: The problem with the animal crackers is that they are graven images and they are afraid that people will start setting up cults to worship them. The Arabs apparently have a propensity to worship rocks and things, especially if they look like something animate so the Koran outlaws images. Some fatwas command the faithful to even burn photographs of themselves or their families and forbid the hanging of pictures in their homes. So when France goes Muslim, the Louvre will literally burn.

67 Uncle Frome  Mon, Dec 27, 2004 5:23:34am

Thanks ErnieG & zulubaby for explaining that sign. I feel more informed - and more nauseated...

68 helloworld  Mon, Dec 27, 2004 6:03:06am

ever heard of the Siouxsie and the banshees song, arabian nights? reminds me of the shenanigans that go on in saudi arabia

veiled behind screens
kept as your baby machines
while you conquer more orafices
of boys, goats, and things

ripped out sheeps eyes
no forks or knives
myriad lights, they said i'd be impressed
arabian nights, at your primitive best!

gotta love the saudis

/spit

69 Hassan Bin Laiden  Mon, Dec 27, 2004 8:01:14am

I think it's wonderful. Arabia SHOULD be just for the Arabs and Muslim shrines just for the Muslims.

That being said, does anyone know how to get a mosque off my Temple Mount?

70 Hassan Bin Laiden  Mon, Dec 27, 2004 8:06:09am

#38

Mmmmmmm Jachnun.

I'm serious. It's a great dish. Make sure you cook it for at leat 24 hours as it is supposed to be a "sabbath dish" since Jews don't cook on Saturday. It is really tasty.

If you live on the West Coast, there is a great Yemenite restauant in LA that serves it on Sundays only.

71 Raziel (Troll Devouring Blader)  Mon, Dec 27, 2004 11:54:45am

70) Hassan Bin Laiden

I don't live in the US, I live in the Ummah Kingdom (UK) ;-) .

72 Fish-Man  Mon, Dec 27, 2004 5:06:52pm

to myoclonic jerk:

What's wrong with goldfish in church?

And, I thought most churches celebrated solstice. They just don't know that's what they are doing.


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