Absolutely ridiculous. I had to doublecheck to see if iowahawk wrote it.

lol

The ghost of Chicago politics past paid a visit to Moonbat King County.

Wow, Charles, you're up early for a New Year's Day. Something definitely smells fishy in Kiev County.

The people of Washington need to get on with life, not stay stuck in this election nightmare. I'll say the same thing about this election as I did the presidential election - let the certified winner take office, but continue the investigation. Uncover any problems and out any criminal activity. If criminal activity includes any by Gregoire then follow the proper procedures to have her impeached, or whatever the law requires to remove her from office.

The worst possible scenario, IMHO, is to undermine the election process to the point where elected officials never take office pending recounts and court actions.

They also continue to search for military voters who say their ballots either didn't arrive overseas in time for the election or weren't counted when the votes were returned home. Rossi appeared at a news conference with the parents of a Marine serving in Iraq who got his ballot the day after the election.

NOthing to see here. Fraud is only on the side of the evil Bushitler.

/LLL

Says Yogi..."Deja vu all over again." Again and again and...

One of the more fascinating aspects of this, too, is that the database apparently shows a number of voters registered at addresses belonging to private mail box centers and rental storage lockers sites -- in violation of WA state law that requires that the voter include the address where they PHYSICALLY reside.

With respect to the first: Damn! I thought that the rooms in those Japanese 'hive' hotels were small. With respect to the second, I hope that the residents say "Hi" to Sideshow Bob and Gil.

DEMOCRATS cheating? say it isn't so.

my whole day is ruined.

"I think historically the data has never been reconciled 100 percent between ballots cast and the voters given credit for voting," Logan said. "I think 3,500 is higher than what I'm comfortable with. ... I would be less concerned if we were in the range of 1,000 or 1,200."

Translation?: "There is normally a little fraud, and we're comfortable with that. But this year there seems to be a large amount."

Does this mean George Soros finally scored?

Don't you just love it when all the votes get counted,even the fraudulent ones?

/sarc off

Boy no one will ever accuse the King county Dhimmis election machine of being "stingy"!

Stefan also mentions a couple who found that someone has graciously voted absentee for them: they discovered that there were two absentee ballots cast with their names, and their signatures were forged on the envelopes. This was not in King County, I believe, but it's still very interesting.

In Washington State, we get our choice of governors this year - the elected one, or the recounted one.

#5 Elisa

The people of Washington need to get on with life, not stay stuck in this election nightmare. I'll say the same thing about this election as I did the presidential election - let the certified winner take office, but continue the investigation

No. What needs to be done is to follow the law. In this case, state election law. From what I understand, Washington law allows a court challenge after the votes are certified. If there is cause, and there certainly appears to be, let's have it out in court. Let's not reward cheaters.

Whodathunkit! Dems cheating to win an election?

Charles,
You are a freaking genious! That new comments within the last 7 days thing is awesome! You, my friend, are the best.
Happy New Year!

Hey, everyone's voice should be heard in an election, including the voice of Aunt Hilda who died in 1952. Funny, isn't it, how the dead always vote Dem. Do you automatically turn idiotarian once you buy the farm?

ALL THE VOTES MUST COUNT - until I get enough to win

i don't know if it's really fraud. but i do know they have a pretty good turn out on their blog for one state.

Over the years I've developed an understanding of the Liberal mentality. I'm certain they are convinced that they've done nothing wrong.

"We need more votes," they'll think. "Let's round up some winos and street people. That'll do it." Technically, they may be just inside the line but morally (a concept the left has been attempting to minimize and redefine) it's rather tawdry.

As an example, I sat (for a very short time) on a local school district Citizen Advisory Board. At one meeting it was announced that Federal funds were available for additional classes intended to bolster minority attendance. I was amazed at the resulting proposal - that by transferring students among the current student body (ie: adding not a single student to the census, as was the intention of the grant) they could 'qualify' for the extra funds by meeting the required minority class percentage. In other words, grab the money, screw the students.

After I objected, and voiced my reasons why the taxpayers were being cheated by such a manipulation, my meeting notices were continually 'getting lost' and last-minute meeting room changes were made in an effort to prevent me from making a nuisance of myself. All perfectly legal, of course.

And illustratively typical of the Liberal mindset.

(Sigh.)

OT, but I just noticed the headline of the al-Reuters story in the "World News" column: Tsunami Aid Lands for Survivors and Unborn Babies. Shouldn't that be: Unborn 'Babies'?

Has al-Reuters misplaced its' sneer quotes?

Elisa (#5),

The worst possible scenario, IMHO, is to undermine the election process to the point where elected officials never take office pending recounts and court actions.

The election process has been undermined. By people willing to commit felony crime so that their candidate will be the "winner".

The "elected" official isn't. And saying it's better to just certify them than have valid results is counter-productive.

Because then there will NO faith in any election results, a far worse scenario.

Over the years I have become suspicious of Democrat AGs in general and female Democrat AGs in particular. Why is that?

BTW, it appears that even the local Democrats think this stinks.

#5 Elisa

She can't be impeached for any acts before she is sworn in. Besides, the problem isn't with 'her'... the problem appears to be with the King County elections office which appears to have been either (a) monumentally incompetent or (b) corrupt.

The current Elections official at King County was hired a couple of years ago to try to clean up the PREVIOUSLY f-up'ed elections process.

The D's have held the governor's office -- and, thus the for nearly 30 years, now. During this time, and especially, after the .com implosion and Boeing's decision to move its HQ out of state (and, only agreed to leave production of the next generation a/c in-state after winning $3+ billion of questionably-Constitutional tax breaks from the current governor -- the previous King County Executive), the State's budget has had to been balanced with tobacco settlement money, Ms. Gregoire's office mishandled a lawsuit that cost us $20 million, no significant improvements have been made to address our transportation problems (even when the revenues were flowing-in fast and furiously), the state agencies and the Legislature have fought performance audits (WSDOT/State Ferry System can't even account for the actual toll revenues collected at the docks), DSHS has mishandled case after case -- that has resulted in the deaths of children, the state didn't properly investigate the Wenatchee child sex-abuse accusations (rogue detective). And, we're looking at a 1.6 billion dollar budget deficit for the next biennium.

Admitted the GOP hasn't fielded a good candidate in some time, but, considering that Dino Rossi appears to have gotten nearly 100,000+ WA state voters who voted for John Kerry -- in some demonstrably Democratic precincts (outside of King County), it shows that many of us on both sides of the political spectrum have simply are fed up with "WA state politics as usual" and wanted to force the State to re-examine itself and get its governmental "head" screwed-on correctly.

We simply find the 'convenient' series of screw-ups at King County Records and Elections, over a series of elections, to be just a little 'too' convenient this time: ballots found in machines weeks after precinct workers have signed (under penalty) that the machines were disassembled and examined for ballots, the most-notoriously political "D" County Councilmember just happens to be the one discovering that his ballot hadn't been counted -- leading to the magical 700+ extra votes on the recount, the absentee ballots going out late (the second election in a row) to military voters, more ballots counted than registered voters, votes coming in from people registered at the addresses of rental storage lockers and mail service+ businesses -- conveniently, all in the most left-wing county of the state. And, one smug self-identified 'progressive' who identified themselves as a counter at the re-count, calling in to a radio talk show suggesting that there was probably 'pay-back' occurring among the "D" counters at King County -- pay-back for the 2000 presidential election.

#25 PIMF "...and, thus the heads of several State Agencies, for nearly...

When even the dumacrats say "something's fishy", there is a problem.
These are they guys that would have stood in the middle of the Chicago fire and said " I smell smoke"

But, just once I would like the smoking gun statement to be held off untill it is proven that it is one. Overusage tends to dull the senses over time.

#25 Flying Tigress

suggesting that there was probably 'pay-back' occurring among the "D" counters at King County -- pay-back for the 2000 presidential election.

Yeah, I noticed in Gregoire's press conference she had to make a snide remark to Florida.

#5 Elis

Nice try...one size does not fit all. The Dems are much better at election fraud then the GOP. I say nail 'em.

The election process has been undermined. By people willing to commit felony crime so that their candidate will be the "winner".

You must be talking about Ohio.

I'm sure that the Washington democrats can have the New Jersey Supreme Court rule on it for them.

//sarcasm off

There are a few other LGFers, Jim Miller and myself included, that contribute to Sound Politics, Stefan (Shark) doing the lion's share. He's crunched a lot of numbers ever since November 2nd, and has an uncanny eye for detail, hidden agendas and fallacy...

If the reporters in town were doing half the job he is, this would have been a national scandal weeks ago. He also started That Liberal Media.

We also use Sound Politics to fisk the local media moonbats: here and here.

May I say on a personal note that Stefan is also one of the nicest guys you could ever meet. He gave my wife and I a great high-chair and a baby Bjorn for our soon-to-arrive baby bleeding heart conservative! (Even if he hadn't done that, I'd say the same thing.)

#5 Elisa

I'll say the same thing about this election as I did the presidential election - let the certified winner take office, but continue the investigation. Uncover any problems and out any criminal activity. If criminal activity includes any by Gregoire then follow the proper procedures to have her impeached, or whatever the law requires to remove her from office.

Would you have said the same thing about the Ukranian presidential election, or do you think it's better that they threw out the tainted vote and did it again?

Come on people ,you are missing the Lefts cherished beliefs in our electorial system, to wit;
Vote early and vote often

Why let a little thing like death impede your vote

All votes must be counted (except of course if the county is heavily republican,or if the absentee ballots are going to a mostly conservative group,ie the military) thank you Al Gore

If the votes don't add up to the preconceived and desired outcome and it is reasonably close,Litigate. Again thanks Al!

Just as an aside will the AP and the rest of the MSM start running stories about people complaining that Gregorie was"selected not elected"? I won't hold my breath

Wasn't there a Chris Farley movie along these lines?

Black Sheep.

Ah yes, thank you.

Anyhoo - if the dems are turning to Chris Farley for ideas, we're in good shape.

#30
I'll bet that if you count the number of ballots vs the number participating in Ohio Counties, they will add up very closely. It is hard to commit election fraud when both parties are equally represented, as in Ohio, vs WA where one party has a majority.

In Ohio, I'd bet the Democratic stooges (Cobb, Badnarik) are furiously trying to do this same type of count, hoping for the same result. More likely, they'll find that more ballots were counted than participants in heavily Democratic precints(sp) in Ohio. Republicans would never cheat this transparently. The Republicans cheat by controlling the weather so Democrats have to wait 6 hours in the rain - just ask Jesse Jackson.

#35 Thom

Anyhoo - if the dems are turning to Chris Farley for ideas, we're in good shape.

Yes, since it means they'll have no new ideas ever. Chris Farley, alas, has gone to that "van down by the river" in the sky.

Happy New Year demonrats !
Here you have your first big problem.
It looks like 2005 will be awfully RED...

#37 CC Señor

Indeed. Fortunately, Beverly Hills Ninja didn't give much detail on that Plane of Enlightenment thing so we should be safe for the foreseeable future.

What a great story - the hard workin' people of the blogosphere doing their thing. Second case in point - Charles posting before 8AM on New Year's Day. You gotta love this guy.

At the rate Washington investigates fraud, misrepresentation, and out and out lying - Gregoire has no worries.

I offer the infamous Brame murder-suicide case as an example of civil servants on task, where elected officials needed therapy from the"stress" of the internal investigation; the suspected preferential treatment and mega tax dollars being spent on one of governor Gary Locke's relative's pet projects a few years back that went from undercover expose to can't-find-it-anywhere news; or gracious senator Patty Murray's open support for OBL's cause when addressing children at a public school... the number of dumbasses in Washington state is too long to list.

Regardless of how it happened, votes in Washington have been bungled and three recounts later Gregoire won. We're stuck with her. It will take an act of superhuman strength and all the right planets in alignment to change that.

#5 Elisa

Get a clue!

King County is caught red handed with 3,539 "extra" votes and you have the nerve to say, "let it stand"! You are an idiot. This is major league voter fruad and you what to let it stand, pah-leeezzz.

If the shoe was on the other foot and some red county had 3,539 more votes than voters and "found" the extra votes at the last minute to push their canidate over the top, the MSM would bump all tsunami coverage and focus 100% on this story. 135,000+ dead from a natural disaster is nothing in their eyes compared to PRVF (Possible Republican Voter Fraud)
Danny Boy would be salivating.

I would like to see what percentage of the "extra" votes went Democrat.

3,539 - 129 = 3,410 (the number Rossi actually won by)

#31 RayH

Better... we had the WA state Supreme Court rule that "Every vote should count [regardless of questions about the validity or source of those votes]" -- hence the current potential for an election contest... Dino wins on Election night, but, "Ooops! We're sorry!" King County finds more votes. A machine recount is then required, and, "Ooops! We're sorry!" King County finds more previously uncounted votes narrowing the margin of victory. C.G. gets donations from J. Kerry and the national DNC to pay for a hand recount, and "Ooops! We're sorry!" King County finds it made mistakes and previously uncounted ballots, and magically the results change -- most often on party-line 2-1 canvassing board (2 "D"s, 1 "R") decisions. Oh, and guess what, the money that they deposited to initiate the hand recount -- we, as taxpayers, get to pay it since the election rules indicate that if the results change as a result of the recount (not 're-canvas'), the cost is assigned to the taxpayers.

So, once again, we get to pay for Christine G.

In one sense, I would be interested in C.G. taking office since I would like to see her solutions to the state's current financial situation.

Of course, with

property taxes increasing at nearly 5x the rate of the CPI,

sales taxes at nearly 9% in the Puget Sound area,

the SuperSonics being the latest in-state sports franchise to ask for public money ($150 million) -- to re-hab an arena rebuilt a mere 9 years ago in addition to paying off the c. 1998 remodelling-reconstruction debt of the c. 2000-demolished Kingdome for the Mariners/'hawks - and the two new stadia (Safeco and Qwest Fields),

Interstate 5 through Seattle approaching the end of its useful lifespan (ready for a complete reconstruction after 40 years -- never mind adding new general-purpose capacity for the first time after decades of substantial growth in the area),

the SR 520 "floating" bridge (hopefully, it won't do what the I-90 and Hood Canal floating bridges have done -- i.e. have portions SINK) approaching 45 years old,

surface street bridges approaching the end of their useful lifespans (as someone with a civil engineering background, I love the daily examination of the 100-year old "spalled concrete and exposed rebar, and earthquake cracked" -- 2nd Ave Extension/Jackson Street bridge over the BNSF tracks),

the City of Seattle wanting additional State and Federal funds to 'help out' on the currently estimated $3.5 billion to rebuild the 2001 earthquake-damaged State Route 99 (the 50-year old Alaskan Way Viaduct) for its own version of Boston's "Big Dig",

the previously referenced $3 billion in tax breaks" to keep 1100 -- 1200 union jobs in-state,

a $1 billion monorail tax in Seattle that passed by 887 votes (we think -- a King County-run/certified election after all)...

... I think that I know how.

But, we are a "progressive" community -- where even illegal votes get to be counted, rural property gets 'taken' by urban Democrats, and we have some new REALLY "hip and trendy"-looking public buildings!

That has to count for something!

It still seems that the Democrats have the same war cry, "Every vote counts EXCEPT for the military votes". Washington's overseas ballots weren't counted. Sounds like the Democrats NEED to win at something to make their miserable failure lives "seem" worth living. Even if they have to chase out businesses with stupid taxes. Oregon and Washington are competeing for bragging rights to see who can be the biggest liberal state and have the worst economy. Gregoire will not rest until she overtakes Oregon.

The Democrats remind me of Aragorn in "The Return of the King"; summoning an army of dead voters to turn the tide of an election.

Election fraud is an honored Donkey tradition, Boss Tweed, the Hague Machine, Tammany Hall, Pendergast, Daley, etc. ---all Democrats.

#45

And don't forget about St. Dale Chihuly's glass - the salvation of Tacoma's makeover.

Election fraud is an honored Donkey tradition, Boss Tweed, the Hague Machine, Tammany Hall, Pendergast, Daley, etc. ---all Democrats.

You are forgetting Mr. Blackwell. And Ms. Harris.

Whoops... I forgot that if you are a Republican, conflict of interest doesn't exist, and that counting the votes and pimping for Bush is a-OK. Riii-ght.

I think a re-vote in Washington state and Ohio would be just dandy.

#49 Passaconaway

Umm .. and what crimes have Mr. Blackwell and Ms. Harris been accused/indicted/convicted of? Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they've done anything wrong.

The number of King County ballots counted in the final tally was 899,199 — 3,539 more than the number of participating voters reported in the county’s list.

My, what a surprise.

Thom,

Attempting any sort of rational argument with Passaconaway is pointless.

#48 theheat

Are you referring to our Museum of Glass, with accompanying "Bridge of Glass" that attacted the attention of someone armed with a rifle within a few weeks after it was opened?

I'll admit that I provide financial support for the Museum of Glass, I voted for supporting the Point Defiance Zoo, and, I (if I had lived in KC) might have voted for "The Commons". And, as someone employed (for 20 years now) as a transportation engineer here and in the San Diego area (YES! HORRORS! A self-admitted conservative ¹ lesbian "transplanted Southern Californian" Washingtonian -- I guess that makes me part of a REALLY small voter bloc) -- I even voted for Sound Transit back in 1996. Options are always a good idea, particularly when no movement seems to be occuring on taking on the SOV capacity needs of the area -- and the GMA, and urban politics, is making it prohibitively expensive for people to afford housing in King County.

I mean, come on, my 90-year old "knob and tube wiring" house on a 3500 square-foot lot fronting a 14,000 car/day roadway just outside the Hilltop in Tacoma is assessed by Pierce County at $160,000? It's not THAT great of a house! When I was looking, back in the early 90s, for a home in King County, there were POS homes next to the BNSF main line in downtown Kent going for $100+ thousand.

¹ The political stickers on the rear window of my van have gotten a few puzzled looks, some questions from my "D" neighbors who remember my (now former) domestic partner and I moving into the neighborhood... and elicited more than a few obscene guestures on I-5 (when driving north of Tukwila) this past year.

#42 Iron Fist

Here's the dellima: if we reply in kind, it isn't that we "become as bad as what we oppose", or we lose the "moral high ground". I pride myself on being the baddest motherfucker in the valley, and I prefer the tactical high ground, but if we reply in kind, we destroy the very American Society we are trying to preserve.

You hit the nail on the head with that one!

But I disagree on this point, we should not cede the moral high ground on this. We should use every legitimate tactic open to us. We should take the fight to them. We should petition decent honest democrats to speak out against what their party is doing, either by actively participating in the fruad or by quitely sanctioning it by not speaking out against it. This last point is probably a futile exercise because anyone that is pursuing a political career will not commit political suicide by condeming their own party's actions. Just look what happend to Zell Miller.

#52 Geepers

I know. After I've finished collecting my berries I'll go back to my cave and chastise myself.

Passaconaway's obviously suffering from PEST.
He's fragile. Let's be gentle.

#49 pissaconaway

Where is your evidence?

Is it beyond reasonable doubt?

"Feelings" don't carry any weight around here,just facts.

Oh wait,I get it now.

I forgot "moral equivalence",it is alright to do the thing you only accuse others of doing even if those accusations are unproven.

"it's not the evidence but the seriousness of the charges..."

Some folks drank too many "triple shots" of Starbuck's espresso and went above and beyond the neccessary ballot stuffing.

Certainly, there's no need to have another election, though, cause the Dhimmicrats can sense the Will of the Masses.

Plus, Government Always Knows Best.

/sarcasm off

In saw the certified Gov, the yesterday or the day before on Fox News...she was giving an 'acceptance speech' interview...went something like this..."We have proven we are NOT Florida".

I thought to myself and said out loud, ok...screaming, at the TV, No Madame...but you HAVE PROVEN you ARE the Ukraine.

Umm .. and what crimes have Mr. Blackwell and Ms. Harris been accused/indicted/convicted of? Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they've done anything wrong.

So glad you asked!

Blackwell breaks law- Locks Out Ohio Recount Volunteers

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=47 55

and this...

...COLUMBUS -- The Ohio presidential recount was officially terminated Tuesday, December 28.

But the end comes amidst bitter dispute over official certification of impossible voter turnout numbers, over the refusal of Ohio's Republican Supreme Court Chief Justice to recuse himself from crucial court challenges involving his own re-election campaign, over the Republican Secretary of State's refusal to testify under subpoena, over apparent tampering with tabulation machines, over more than 100,000 provisional and machine-rejected ballots left uncounted, over major discrepancies in certified vote counts and turnout ratios, and over a wide range of unresolved disputes that continue to leave the true outcome of Ohio's presidential vote in serious doubt.

Other than that, I guess there wasn't much of a problem.

#60 nagasaki_hata

Certainly, there's no need to have another election, though, cause the Dhimmicrats can sense the Will of the Masses.

Are you implying some of us are...insensitive?
I'm gonna talk to my lawyer!

#62

Wrong again

"Ohio Revised Code Title XXXV Elections, Sec. 3503.26 that requires all election records to be made available for public inspection and copying. ORC Sec. 3599.161 makes it a crime for any employee of the Board of Elections to knowingly prevent or prohibit any person from inspecting the public records FILED in the office of the Board of Elections."

The votes were not yet filed.

Nice try though

#62 Passaconaway

I see. So a criminal investigation is undoubtedly under way. How's that going?

And about Rep. Harris ... her crimes?

That's a pretty whacked out web site you go to for "news".

The System: Capitalism and its Role in American Society’s Plunge into the Abyss. Parts I, II and III

Oh, brother ...

</rolling eyes>

You might considerable linking to a somewhat more reputable news site in future.

addendum to #64

That code relates to "election records" not individual votes(ballots),those are never public because they are votes/ballots and could be traced back to individual voters which would violate voter privacy laws.

Passaconaway, I noticed you singled out a black and a woman to falsely accuse. You're a racist and a misogynist, eh?

#17 Donna V. -

Heh...I have a picture of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates handing Democrat voter registration forms for all new arrivals.

The number of King County ballots counted in the final tally was 899,199 — 3,539 more than the number of participating voters reported in the county’s list.

Do you suppose they kept the number (3,539) below 5,440 hoping there wouldn't be a fight?

/obscure historical reference

I haven't been to the gym in a while. Does that make me a Missogymnast?

This development is perfectly consistent with the 104% voter registration in Philadelphia just prior to the November elections. The Democrats view this episode as more than simply one governor's race. The Democrats view election fraud as a worthwhile goal for its own sake.

ORC Sec. 3599.161 makes it a crime for any employee of the Board of Elections...

The key phrase here is "any employee of the Board of Elections",Sec of State is not an employee of any board of elections so even if Blackwells actions violated the law(which they didn't,see #66),he couldn't be charged under ORC Sec. 3599.161.

Duh

Does anyone know what kind of voting system did King County used - electronic, optical, old-fashioned machine with big lever and curtains, etc.?

#49 Passaconaway
I think a re-vote in Washington state and Ohio would be just dandy.

The "closeness" in WA was as little as 8 votes in one count. In OH it was 130,000 votes. A new election for OH? You could and should argue one for WA, however.

The biggest problem is handcounting and the subjective nature of it. It should only and always be done with machines. If we continue to allow Dems to handcount, they will continue to "discover" uncounted ballots.

Why do handcounts benefit Dems and machine counts benefit Republican? Nevermind.

...chads? straws?

Frank IBC (#70),

No, just lazy. ;-)

# 5 Elisa : The problem with letting King County “move on” is that they have pulled fishy “after the bell” absentee voting schemes before. A few years ago, we had a heated US Senatorial battle between Maria Cantwell and Slade Gorton. Gorton was leading by 10,000 votes before King County found a bunch of absentees 2 days before certification. We can’t “move on” and let them get away with repeated instances of likely fraud. You think King County is going to investigate anyone when one of their own won the vote? Keep in mind, this county readily admitted that until earlier this year, they were illegally counting absentee ballots.

Charles: Thank you for supporting our tireless local blogger Stefan Sharkansky for this cause. The Seattle media is for the most part so liberal that any sort of investigative reporting critical of the Democrats isn't news worthy. People like you and Stefan are forcing the issue. Bloggers are becoming the new media. Thanks again.

Lysol

I thought a Misogynist was a female Misanthrope.

I am so sick of Democrat fraud. Can we just have a 'do-over' on this, no recounts allowed?

Is there any reason why,in every one of these recounts,the people doing the recounting are democrats?

I wonder how the recount would play out if they were done by both parties.

Also

Why do the hand recounts never jibe with the machine counts?

Frank IBC,

female Misanthrope.

Is that a girl that won't kiss under the mistletoe?

#73 Frank - They use an optical scanner machine for both polling place votes and absentee ballots.

I live in Seattle and happened to be out of town for this election. The absentee ballots are basically the same thing as ballots used at the polls. After completion of filling out an absentee ballot, you MUST sign the outside of the envelope that the ballot is mailed in. There are repeated warnings all over the paperwork about this.

#82 lysol

Then theoretically there is no way to verify the validity of an absentee after it is removed from the envelope.

No wonder that all the "newly discovered" absentee ballots were for Gregoire
---

BTW what happened to the troll,did it melt from the light of factuality?

Apparently on hand recounts, if you chose not to vote for any candidate, the demo's will add a vote for their candidate if you had voted for democrats in other races on the ballot. I regard not making a selection as one of my rights, if I don't know enough about the candidates to make a choice or if I am indifferent between them.

I think all races on a ballot should have a selection for "none of the candidates" so that the intent of a non-vote will be clear.

Is there a possibility that Charles may start a New Year's Day thread since today is unique like yesterday?

Just askin.

#22 Geepers

"Because then there will NO faith in any election results, a far worse scenario"

Perhaps that IS the point,undermine faith in elections in order to "save the day" by installing a socialist government,of course with Demonrats in charge because of their inherent "compassion" and thorough knowledge of socialism.

#69 CC Señor

I'm feeling kinda proud of myself that I didn't need to follow that link to know the reference...

Although it would have been nice to have the additional real estate, and not have one little sliver of Washington State that you can drive to without taking a ferry -- although you can't drive there WITHOUT going through B.C. -- we could have ended up with a larger collection of moonbats.

I've got an idea -- let's offer a swap with Canada... they can have the State of "Cascadia" in exchange for the Prairie Provinces, $500 in cash and immunity from rent (LOL).

Passingasourway, you're going to have to do a little better with your sources. At the bottom of the piece on the Italian site, there's a link to the source which is here:

[Link: fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com...]

I love the mission statement of this blog.

Before the Ohio Election Fraud, this blog was entitled "Fairness". Since November 2, 2004, a day that will live in infamy, this blog has been devoted exclusively to fighting the crimes committed against the citizens of Ohio, and against our American way of life, in the 2004 "election".

So, your source is a blogger who has had Ohio Election Fraud on the brain since the election was still being conducted, is still on a quest to support his predetermined conclusion, and just coincidentally happens to despise George Bush.

Why don't you just call Bush Hitler, and send us to Counterpunch for the evidence?

Silly liberal, Trix are for kids.

Ever since Florida 2000, and now redux in Washington, the little dimcrat bromide, "count every vote" has irritated me, and I just figured out why. It's because it's implicit that they don't care whether they are legal votes, and the don't care if they are fraudulent votes. In fact, it's precisely those votes, votes manufactured after the fact by the dimcrat machine in places like King County, that they are referring to when they say, "count every vote." And on top of that, they don't really and truly mean it anyway. They aren't, for instance, referring to military overseas votes that they want to be sure are counted. In both Washington 2004 and Florida 2000, they made sure that military overseas ballots weren't included. If we are really interested in "counting every vote," it's voters like those serving overseas in the military that we ought to be bending over backwards to ensure are counted. But the problem with that is that such votes tend to go Republican. So, in the end, while "count every vote" seems to be just a harmless little sound-good reaffirmation of the process, it is in fact an evil misdirection and disguise of their true intent and of what is really going on.

jaybird (#89),

Like most leftist memes, it's completely fabricated.

As yo say they aren't the least bit interested in counting every vote, but rather hiding behind that seemingly noble sentiment while they manipulate the results to their own ends.

And they wonder why they lose the "morals" issues.

And they would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling bloggers.

Take pity on the Democrats, though. If they lose Washington, what do they have left on the west coast? Oregon? Even the Mongolians didn't want Oregon.

#87 Flying Tigress

I've got an idea -- let's offer a swap with Canada... they can have the State of "Cascadia" in exchange for the Prairie Provinces, $500 in cash and immunity from rent (LOL).

I'll drink to that (but then I'll drink to just about anything). And can we throw in all the whiners that said they'd leave if Bush won?

I live in the Puget Sound area as a military doctor stationed at Fort Lewis. I moved here on orders from Texas, and was seriously considering changing my state of residency because I absolutely love the mountains, the weather, the fresh air, and the people I've met since moving here...until I got sick and tired of the blatant fraud of the moonbats up here. I could buy a house in Texas with 5 bedrooms, 3 baths and live in an area with good schools and adequate roads for under $300K, and a reasonable tax burden. I can't find a house in this area meeting those criteria for less than $350-400K, I hate driving to Seattle because of the road situation, and the tyranny of King County demoncrat thugs is the final straw. I hate the weather in Texas, but at least people can expect a reasonable modicum of integrity and common sense there.

Besides, I'm starting to wonder if all the fresh pine-scented air up here is what causes folks to go moonbat...

I live about 100 miles west of Seattle,in an area that was heavily influenced by the "wobblies",IWW, in the earlier part of the 20th century. Diehard Dem stronghold. In my occupation it runs 100 % Republican for various reasons, probably the same as the average Southern, rural voter.Heavily outnumbered by the elderly, civil servants and illegal immigrant vote.People here practically worship Franklin Roosevelt and that wont change until a younger generation gets motivated about politics. Mill workers are generally unionized and pro-Dem, even though the Dems have taken the side of the enviros and destroyed thousands of mill workers jobs(and I`m not talking about "ancient " forests here, the mills are`nt set up to handle large timber anymore, no market demand) , King County residents tend to see rural Washington as their private playground for the weekends and would love to drive all the locals away using enviro laws. Can barely sell a home around here even if you wanted to move out and start life over.Too late for me anyway, 59 y.o. and there`s not much demand for that age in the labor force, so it`s "soldier on" and try to survive. To say I despise the Democrats is putting it mildly.Interesting for any southerners reading, there is a very large North Carolina element in rural Washington, entire towns composed of 1940`s immigrants from Jackson county North Carolina. Darrington, Washington is one, they have an annual Blue Grass music festival as good as any back home in Dixie.

#89 jaybird

Right on!

But the GOP is on to these phonies and soon more of the American people will catch on. We must nail 'em in every case, but more importantly we must educate the vast majority of
decent Democrats that vote willy-nilly for the party of fraud .
Unless they clean it up, they will lose into the forseeable future. I'd be able to live with an elected Democrat who cared more about the country than just stealing power. Unfortunately, those Dems are few and far between.

A

To all the comments from others living in king county and seattle there is very little I can add. Hanoi john kerry paid for this mess, what else is there to say.

I lived in chicago and used to swear that I would have to move to a particularly bad third world country to see politics more filthy than chicago. The socialist utopia on the west coast makes chicago look pristine and overflowing with integrity (at least chicago understands the concept of payola).

I truely love the physical environment here but have seen and experienced problems here that if not criminal offenses, certainly should be (political, law enforcement, massive, excessive and probably criminal benefits to large corporations, etc., etc., etc...).

A largish part of the problem is the folks moving from places that have gotten totally absurd (california comes to mind) to the seattle / king county area (and elsewhere up here, I am sure) and bringing all the problems with them so we get to "enjoy" them also.

Thanks to chicago, atlanta and seattle combined with some independant research, the dumbocraps have lost me to the party, probably forver. Once you start actually doing research beyond the textbooks (finding out what REALLY happened) and examining the motivations a lot of really, REALLY ugly stuff starts becoming obvious.

I just hope the Repubs here will stick with this and, God Willing, help clean up this sewer (to be VERY kind).

Iron Fist has made an excellent point and it's a point I've spent many sleepless nights agonizing over. How do the Republicans deal with routine Democratic election cheating? If one doesn't cheat while playing in a rigged game, one is a fool and a loser. If the Republicans do start cheating, everyone loses. Obviously the answer is to stop the Democrats from cheating, but the American system of politics is not designed for that level of defense against one of the two major political parties. Is this going to be a permanent part of politics or is the day going to come when even the Democrats can't stomach what their party is doing?

#91 TaggartTranscontinental

And they would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling bloggers.

Take pity on the Democrats, though. If they lose Washington, what do they have left on the west coast? Oregon? Even the Mongolians didn't want Oregon.

First of all, presently they are getting away with it in Washington. And I say that the odds are that they will continue to get away with it.

Second, I am in Oregon. Oregon is controlled by the dimcrats to an even greater degree than is the case even in Washington. There is no Republican Party in Oregon to speak of. Portland is corrupt, and all levels in state government are corrupted. And that situation is getting worse. I can't ever forsee it changing. The only reason I stay is because the clean fresh air and the great outdoors in Oregon can't be matched.

This guy was just interviewed live by the Northern Alliance bloggers on their radio show on the Twin Cities. Very interesting and for the 25th time, I have to post...15 years ago no one would know about this type of activity. Things have changed so much now.

Kind of different but related...reminds me a little bit of the lady going through nursing homes in Eau Claire Wisconsin and telling the ederly residents to fill out absentee ballots for Kerry. Heard this from the daughter of one of the people they tried this on.

Hey, get this over to DU. I'm sure they'll send this information to the right people. I know it's not Federal, but they seem to be against voter fraud. I'm sure there is someone on DU that will take the bull by the horns and support a total recount.

/need another drink

What is wrong with the weather in Texas. Just a little over a week after 10 cm of snow missed my house by 60 km, I was out taking down the Christmas lights in my shorts, and pruning the dead bottom fronds of my front yard Washingtonia Robusta.

Of course, I'm pretty sure the freeze killed my avocado (won't know until March) and I'm fairly certain one of my lemon trees has gone to the Great Citrus Grove in the Sky. The other lemon tree lost every leaf, but I see some small green stems/thorns, so I'm hoping the tree itself has survived.

About 26 today, a touch humid, but shorts and t-shirts in January doesn't happen much in Seattle.

Plus, no earthquakes.

I thought the Rose Bowl should be on.

Don't forget that the dems don't view it as fraud. But as simply making sure of the right and proper outcome.

#30 Passaconaway 1/1/2005 08:56AM PST

The election process has been undermined. By people willing to commit felony crime so that their candidate will be the "winner".
You must be talking about Ohio

What part of Ohio do you live in? What specific knowledge of our electoral system or officials do you have?
Reading some opinion pieces by long-distance "experts" and professional agitators as if they were facts, is beyond intellectually lazy.
As an Ohioan, with more than a little experience in the election process here, these "I've got an opinion because *insert some reporter's/career instigator's asshole opinion* said so, is getting sickening.
These jerks can count/recount Ohio votes until hell freezes over - as long as they come up with the money to pay for it. As long as no one expects Ohio taxpayers to mess up our budget paying for political games rather than schools, BRING IT ON!

#62

...over the refusal of Ohio's Republican Supreme Court Chief Justice to recuse himself from crucial court challenges involving his own re-election campaign, over the Republican Secretary of State's refusal to testify under subpoena, over apparent tampering with tabulation machines, over more than 100,000 provisional and machine-rejected ballots left uncounted, over major discrepancies in certified vote counts and turnout ratios, and over a wide range of unresolved disputes that continue to leave the true outcome of Ohio's presidential vote in serious doubt.

Questions (not that I expect answers):

(1) How does the Supreme Court Chief recusing himself prove fraud?
(2) When did the Ohio SOS refuse to testify under subpoena? everything I have read up to 27 December indicated that the foreigners "planned to subpeona" the SOS, along with Bush, Rove and some others. The SOS sought legal protection from having to answer a subpeona in a lawsuit that still could be thrown out for being frivilous. so, how does this prove fraud?
(3) apparent machine tampering? Weren't the machine tampering allegations investigated and found to be not substantiated? One of the Ohio newspapers ran several stories on this - and that was their conclusion. It might have been the Cleveland Plains-Dealer but I'm not sure.
(4) Over 100,000 ballots left uncounted? How coincidental. where is any evidence of this in the media?
(5) Major discrepiencies between vote counts and turnout ratios: What the heck does this mean? Exit polls? Dixicrats? The silliness that so many "rednecks" could vote for a black female judge and Bush?
(6) And finally, the biggest question of all: If you are so concerned about fairness, why aren't you conducting investigations in Michigan and Pennsylvania? Lots of anecdotal stories of potential fraud in these two States. In the interest of fairness, you should recount there. Where are the stooges Cobb and Badnarik? They seem willing to pimp themselves for money to agitate.

Awaiting you response with baited breathe.

SG

I thought the Rose Bowl should be on.

What's up Ed, can't wait to see another Big 10 school win a bowl game? :-)

#97 Atomic Redneck

I think the best way to prevent cheating by a party is to follow the Ohio model. Equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans on all election boards.

Of course, this doesn't stop the cries of "fraud" by the sore losers, but it makes it easier to prove that fraud didn't happen.

Geepers

I think the Rose Bowl will be the most competitive game between true Top 10 programs this year.

Boise State and Louisville was pretty good, but I think some of their top 10 rating came from playing relatively weak schedules (although Miami was a good test for UL).

Utah and Pitt will be very competative, but both are teams that should be ranked between 15 and 20.

USC struggles to beat a Cal team at home that was killed by the 4th best team in the Big XII South Division.

OU beats USC by at least 10, IMHO.

I honestly can't predict a Texas win. The game will be close and exciting, and either team could win.

BTW, Ohio State will be a scary opponent for the Longhorns next September in Columbus.

LSU and Iowa are playing a good battle right now.

I'd have more respect for the Big 10.5 if they played a conference playoff like the Big XII and SEC.

I'm glad OSU beat Miami a couple of years ago, but I thought it bit they didn't play Iowa, which might have been the best team in the Big 10 that year.

BTW, considering how Tennesee smacked m&a, if OU does beat USC like a rented mule, I think Auburn will have a legitimate gripe about not being able to play in the Fed-Ex Orange Bowl.

Ed Moran,

Yeah, I think the Rose Bowl will be a great game. You can't really account the OSU v. Michigan results in the standings, the game is so emotional it will always be an aberration.

Ohio State will be a scary opponent for the Longhorns next September in Columbus.

We've got a great Head Coach in Tressel. He plays a team. And unlike Cooper who he replaced isn't interested in playing wuss pre conference games to run up th BCS stats.

Of course there is no mention on this blog of the massive problems with the Ohio vote.

I forgot, only Democrats cheat at elections.

Back to your regularly scheduled denial...

So.. when there is a close election we keep recounting, each time adding more democratic party votes until the democrat comes out on top, and then we say "ok - no more need for recounts" ?

Geepers, even OSU's "gimme" game, against Miami (Ohio) is against a bowl team.

Did you see that the wimps from Nebraska cancelled a Thursday night ESPN national telecast against the University of Houston at Reliant Stadium, and scheduled 2A University of Maine instead?

If the Huskers don't think they can beat a middle of the road team from the middle of the road C-USA, they are pathetic.

hs

Pray tell, what evidence of massive voter fraud in Ohio can you point to?

Link to DU or KOS or Atrios if you must, but a real source would be more impressive.

Iowa and LSU is a barn-burner.

Iowa scores winning touchdown with no time on clock.

Wow, what a bowl game!

Is this the future of nuclear power in the US?

Plants currently decommissioning:

* Connecticut Yankee, Connecticut
* Yankee Rowe, Massachusetts
* Maine Yankee, Maine
* Big Rock, Michigan
* Trojan, Oregon
* San Onofre 1, California
Plants that have completed decommissioning:
* Shippingport, Pennsylvania
* Pathfinder, South Dakota
* Shoreham, New York
* Fort St. Vrain, Colorado

Ed Moran,

A few years back people were bitching that OSU's "gimme" game was against out of state teams who were worse than some of the Ohio teams, so they decided to play against Ohio teams in an effort to keep the players and money at home.

It's worked out pretty good that way.

As for Nebraska, you have to be confident that you can win. If not you wet your pants for fear of being knocked out of contention because of a loss. Of course you don't build any confidence on the team by beating high school teams.

The season Ohio State beat Miami they had come from behind to win squeakers all season long, they thought they could win. Miami thought they couldn't lose. Attitude has a lot to do with it.

The BCS needs some tweaking at the very least.

#116 sorry wrong thread

A rotten deal for the "loser." Where else can it be that the winner in one count, beats the winner of the other two. Maybe Elisa is right. Let the election stand, and investigate for criminal election fraud.

OT: My dad just told me, No, they can't/won't go to the Inaugural Ball. He didn't even ask my mom, since she's not feeling well, and he assumes she'd say no. I am really annoyed. I understand his reasoning, but...

Ed Moran,

I just heard that Iowa's Page is a Texan. :-)

Of course here in Wisconsin the Democrats engage is a more direct type of election fraud. On election day last November the tires on over twenty vans were slashed. Coincidentally, these vans had been rented by the Republican party to shuttle the elderly and disabled to polling places. This is very serious fraud and a federal crime.

Several days later three Democrat "activists" were arrested. One was from out of state while the other two were the sons of, 1) the former acting mayor of Milwaukee and 2) the newly elected Democratic Congresswoman from Milwaukee.

Back in 2000 a New York City Democrat "activist" was arrested in Milwaukee for giving cartons of smokes to vagrants in exchange for their registering as Democrats.

Several days later three Democrat "activists" were arrested. One was from out of state while the other two were the sons of, 1) the former acting mayor of Milwaukee and 2) the newly elected Democratic Congresswoman from Milwaukee.

This story seems to have died out. This should be huge news. Democratic operatives doing major vandelism hours before the polls open in effort to keep Republicans from voting in a huge close election.

Of course there is no mention on this blog of the massive problems with the Ohio vote.

...and anything that you might find is simply "MSM garbage", "leftist hype", etc., followed by the ususl barrage of adolescent lizardisms ( moonbat, LLL, blah , blah, blah)

Pathetic.

Conyer's Letter to Blackwell

I've never been to Washington, but I once flew in coach on a Flying Tigers 747 from LAX to Anchorage, and may have entered Washington State airspace.

No alcohol consumed, as it was a MAC charter flight. I had turned 21 just a few days before, and got drunk legally in California for the first time visiting friends in San Diego.

Passaconaway,

You are decidedly short on facts. Forgive us if we don't take you seriously.

As a resident of King County I would be much more comfortable with C.G. as governor or governot if I knew the King County tally was fraud free. I also had the odd person in line in front of me who had an absenteee ballot at home but also decided to come and vote at the polls. He was in the wrong precinct so received a provisional ballot.

Here was a a person who was too stupid to vote correctly. And he probably voted twice. Given the inability of the King County Elections office to have an accurate total of votes, I doubt if they catch this kind of thing.

I would like to see those issues ironed out. Or why vote? If there is corruption going on and it isn't caught and punished, once can never be sure of fairness.

A re-election or a coin toss is fine for me.

I live in Snohomish County, just north of "count ever invalid vote" King County, and I've been following this very closely. First of all, Stefan Sharkansky's website, soundpolitics.com, is the best place to go for info on this. Orbusmax.com is also great. It's like a drudgereport for the northwest.

To Frank IBC, post #73, King County ballots are the fill in the circle kind. You fill it in with the black marker provided. Soundpolitics had a link to King 5 news' website showing one of these ballots. NONE of the ovals had been filled in, except on the side of the ballot, where the machine line-up marks are, someone had scribbled with a marker. This they counted as a vote for Gregoire.!

To babydoc97 in Texas, I just read John Fund's book, Stealing Elections, and boy, there are some democrat vote fraud stories from Texas! Unfortunately Washington State is not alone.

Jaybird (in #89) wrote about the "count every vote" mentality. John Fund talks about two ways of looking at elections: the unconstrained (count every vote and don't question their origins!), and the constrained (make sure only legal votes are counted). The problem is convincing someone snowed by the "count every vote" slogan to realized that when one person steals a bunch of identities and casts 100 fake absentee ballots, it demeans the votes of every other person.

But liberals feel that their cause is so just, it's righteous to falsify votes!

hazzyday (#126),

Here was a a person who was too stupid to vote correctly. And he probably voted twice. Given the inability of the King County Elections office to have an accurate total of votes, I doubt if they catch this kind of thing.

That's one of the big problems the LLLs had with Ohio. The "provisional" ballots were just that, provisional. They aren't counted until they can be certified. And when there were less total provisional ballots than the difference in Bush's victory, there was no need to count any provisional ballots, since even if they were all approved and they were all for Kerry, Bush still would have won.

I was wondering if and LGF'ers from the Seattle area would like to get together for a beer?

E-mail: revolve@myrealbox.com

123 Piscataway, I refer you to my 113 reply to hs

Blogosphere strikes again!

#62 Passaconaway 1/1/2005 10:48AM PST

Blackwell breaks law- Locks Out Ohio Recount Volunteers

[Link: bellaciao.org...]
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Really "informed" aren't you - from a French/Italian website, Ohio election news next to the Air America advertisement.
Read the Cleveland Plain Dealer, MSM but at least in the same country/state, with amazing as it might seem, a better comprehension of Ohio election law.
I WAS IN CUYAHOGA COUNTY during the election, right where all these supposed "irregularities" occurred.
Do you even know where that is?
The Democrat officals outnumbered their Republican counterparts significally. We did this on purpose because before the election, certain outside agititators made it clear they would claim fraud regardless of what really happened or the outcome of the election.
Most of our Democratic officials are equally professional and are NOT the ones making these claims.
If any law had been actually proven to be broken, there would have been OFFICIAL charges and an arrest. Are you really stupid enough to believe that just because someone claims someone "broke the law" it must be true?
You should remember the Guardian campaign to stick their noses in Ohio business, and the reactions of INDIVIDUAL Ohioans to outsider opinions.
Your foreign sources and their opinions are worthless so STFU.

Washingtonians, help stop demonocrapic voter fraud (or massive incompetence (is that an oxymoron?)) check out:

Petition calling for a revote in Washington State.

Let who is actually elected legally and honestly win!

And maybe they will get it right being watched carefully next time.

Ed Moran,

It looks like iowahawk has some interesting news about the OSU v. Texas game.

From his 2005 Year in review:

September

10 - Ohio State dismisses entire football team, band in wake of bribery-necrophilia-anthrax scandal; plucky OSU subs Jim Tressel and Andy Geiger fall to Texas, 35-17

Right now Michigan looks like crap.

#110 hs

Of course there is no mention on this blog of the massive problems with the Ohio vote.

Massive problems? Like what? A hand recount gave Kerry 300 votes. He needed 130,000 more

My friend, in plain English...you do not know what you are talking about. I don't think you are delusional, but like so many really nice people, a victim of high-quality propaganda.

A

Geepers, you live in Ohio? I'm a born and bred Buckeye who migrated south to NC in 1991. Lived in Columbus (Worthington) until I was 12 and then moved down to Cincinnati. Miss the food but not the weather!

blue_like_jazz (#137),

Yup, graduated WHS '79. Now I'm out New Albany way. Actually there are a bunch of Ohio Lizards.

Miss the food but not the weather!

What? And miss all the fun we had last week? Power out for days and no phones for a week.

#122, Dave the...

The story has indeed died out, at least in the local media. The local newspaper (the Milwaukee Journal) is strongly Democrat and has maintained a "discreet" silence regarding the vandalism. Milwaukee is a Democrat stronghold so the politicians stay mum (and theswe are their children). The only people still talking about the affair are a couple of conservative radio talk show hosts.

It appears, however, that the United States Attorney for southeast Wisconsin has an ongoing investigation; so we may expect action in the coming months.

Imagine, just imagine, if some Republican "activists", the sons of prominent Republican politcians, had done similar vandalism.
Idiots like Passaconaway would be screaming fraud and Jesse Jackson would have teleported himself into downtown Milwaukee to lead the protests.

Hypocrites.

Election fraud is an attempt to subvert local, state and the federal government. It's time that this crime be treated for what it truly is. Treason. People convicted of vote fraud and it's related activities should be tried for treason and executed. Of course, given it's prevelance in the Democratic party, I'm thinking it would virtually wipe out the entire party. Not that this is a bad thing, but we'll need to find a new party to replace them.

#123 Passaconaway 1/1/2005 02:03PM PST

Of course there is no mention on this blog of the massive problems with the Ohio vote.
...and anything that you might find is simply "MSM garbage", "leftist hype", etc., followed by the ususl barrage of adolescent lizardisms ( moonbat, LLL, blah , blah, blah)

Pathetic.

Conyer's Letter to Blackwell
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Found another autorative source for "facts" huh?
This website is 3 old ladies (nothing against old ladies, but some credentials would be nice)
Aricles include "Is Bush the Anti-Christ" and "contributer" Maureen Dowd.
Here's part of their mission:

"Today day, there’s a foul wind in the air. America stinks of open hatred, arrogance, greed and a lust for power. There’s a smug complacency brought about, no doubt by a sense of personal comfort that deludes millions into thinking that because they belong to the “in” group—hellish results will be visited only upon another class of Americans. So they live without protest, watching the Republican party become the instrument of the religious right, letting freedoms be torn away from the cloth—the very fabric of our country, and they say nothing. They will endure any hardship so long as they do not have to take a stand against the violent and corrupt among us. Satisfied with the twists and turns this country has made in the last two years, the fiddlers fiddle, while America burns its resources, its dollars, its credibility, its young men and women, and the very heart of our Constitution."
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As for Conyers letter, people can ask any questions they want, it's the ANSWERS that count. If you're so fascinated with Ohio, come on over and shoot our mouth off in a roomful of Ohioans.
BTW it was the Cleveland Plain Dealer (MSM with its share of LLL) which concluded that many of the charges were baseleess and THERE WAS NO MASSIVE FRAUD. Our media made a point of watching things DURING both election and recount and we do have some ethical local media.

Why Passaconaway is pissed GW won.

The bumper stickers he has to take off his car.

After a hand recount in Ohio, Bush's lead went from approximately 118,750 to 118,450. Wow. What a discrepancy.

Massive problems? Like what? A hand recount gave Kerry 300 votes. He needed 130,000 more

After a hand recount in Ohio, Bush's lead went from approximately 118,750 to 118,450. Wow. What a discrepancy.

And the headlines in some newspapers..."Bush lead in Ohio narrows after recount". For real, I'm not making this up.

This discrepancy has been obvious for weeks.The whole thing is a disgrace.
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Ed Moran,

Good Lord, after 30 years atop the college football world and five national titles, you would think that people would cut the Huskers a little slack. They are rebuilding, as every major program has had to do in the past and will have to do in the future. The remarkable thing is not that they are going to be bad for a couple of years, but that they went for 30 years without having to rebuild.

BTW, they have the #1 ranked recruiting class this year. The rebuilding process likely won't take all that long ;)

Better Greg-gore in Washington state, rather than Al-gore in Washington, D.C.

I hope Mr. Dino Rossi can successfully get Gregoire's certification overturned, due to the obvious fraud in King County.

If not, fear not; she'll be prime recall material ala Grey-out Davis, just 2 states to the south.

#138 geepers~~ go, cardinals! heehee

nope, don't miss the snow. we actually get a good deal here in charlotte; more than my parents in cinci last year!

BTW... 70 degrees and sunny today!

A two-seater plane crashed into a King County cemetery. So far, they've found almost 4,000 bodies voters.

I have this advice from Toby Nixon, (R), House District 45 (King County):

"Contact your state legislators, both representatives and senators, and demand a revote. Focus most of your energy on Democrat legislators, who hold the majority in both the House and the Senate. Emphasize that it is the credibility of our democracy that is at issue -- not just WHO is the governor, but whether anyone could legitimately be seated as governor will the known flaws in the election. I will be working hard on making a revote happen, but the legislature needs to hear an overwhelming outcry from the people."

Go to [Link: www.leg.wa.gov...] and find out who your representatives are in Olympia. Send them emails! Call them! (Although Mr. Nixon says everybody's phones have been overwhelmed, and of the calls and emails he's received, they've all been in favor of a revote.)

Iron Lisp

Recount until it comes out your way after which ther are no more recounts is the Democrat way, da, tovarishch?

Your reading comprehension is not all that great.

I am all for a re-vote, both in Ohio and Washington.
As in "do it over from scratch."

That hardly makes me a "Stalinist".

Is that clear enough, fascist puke?

Passaconaway,

I am all for a re-vote, both in Ohio and Washington.

So you want a "re do" in Ohio's Gubernatorial race?

Hint: There was no gubernatorial election in Ohio in 2004.

By all means, Passaconaway, let's do a revote in OH. But first let's make sure the voter rolls don't include dead people. And let's revote those states that *Kerry* won very narrowly and let's take some additional precautions there... just to enforce that golden rule of democracy:

One person, one vote.

Bring it on.

And let's revote those states that *Kerry* won very narrowly and let's take some additional precautions there... just to enforce that golden rule of democracy:

I am all for that, Bostonian, despite the fact that it's very unlikely. Any election that has a large amount of irregularities combined with a very close result should be done over, preferably with paper trails. If they can do it in the Ukraine...

Geepers, I think you and Iron Lisp need to brush up on your reading comprehension, or at least your "playing stupid" skills.

Today, my husband and I attended an inaugural ceremony.
That was historic. The county for the first time held this ceremony, and it was republican and not democrats.
It was an important moment, the representative US Congressman Kevin Brady did the swearing in of three new commissioners and one county constable. Two of the commissioners are Republican and one is Democratic.
This was a bi partisan ceremony!
Our US senator is also on the Ways and Means Committee in D.C. All told, there were a couple of hundred voters to witness the men swore into office, they had voted into office.
Maybe today this old county, that has had a "tamany hall"
controlling it for generations is stepping into the future.

Passaconaway,

You come off as an idiot. Because you have no understanding whatsoever about what you're talking about. You're talking out your ass about things you obviously have no grasp of.

Have you ever posted anything more than some asinine fantasy scenario?

Do you even know if a "re do" election is a legal possibility?

Does anyone know where I can get a "Gregoire is not my Governor" bumper sticker modelled after the "Bush is not my President" one the lefties favor?

Poor Passaconaway -- reduced to using schoolyard language in an effort to avoid the appearance of losing an argument again.

Well, poor Passaconaway, you lost the argument.

Too bad.

sniff.

#155

Any election that has a large amount of irregularities combined with a very close result should be done over, preferably with paper trails.

Are you suggesting that this is the case in Ohio? Because Conyers wants to play 20 questions? You can wonder for the rest of your life what might have happened, but if you expect to see a result overturned, you need to have evidence that something actually did happen. Something along the lines of finding that a given place produced more votes than it had voters. In a race with a razor thin margin, that's reasonable.

If they can do it in the Ukraine...

Are you suggesting that there's any relation whatsoever between what happened in the Ukraine and the Ohio vote?

#158

I haven't seen any such thing, but it'd be easy to make one at Cafepress and sell 'em...?

Iron Fist

Clean-up on aisles #152 & #155.

Pissinitallaway had his grippin's come a-loose agin'.

I've got a feetball game to watch; and as a courtesy, I'll refrain from intrusion into your territory. Give 'im hell. Catch ya' at half-time.

Actually, I can't seem to find any bumper stickers out there that say 'Bush is not my President!', but I can find plenty that say 'He is not MY President!'. Given the nature of the election in the state of Washington, a simple bumper sticker saying 'She is not MY Governor!' would not be misunderstood by anyone who saw it.

Hey Ed

Was that Rose Bowl a game? Not a fan of either QB Young
a player. Great game.

Passaconaway:

Uh, the letter from the foreigner Conyers is dated December 2. Even though I question whether the foreigner has any jurisdiction, I believe all of the questions in the letter have been addressed.

Check the Cleveland Plains-Dealer and the other large Ohio dailies, I think you'll find the answers.

Heck, even the WAPO acknowledges that there were problems, but nothing that rises to fraud.

Oh, you still haven't explained why Democrats in Ohio would participate in fraud to elect Mr. Bush.

Passaconway, let me make myself clearer to you:

I am not afraid of a honest election, but I think it will hurt your candidate.

#155 Passaconaway

Oops, I missed this:

Any election that has a large amount of irregularities combined with a very close result should be done over, preferably with paper trails.

You are, of course, aware that most of Ohio does, in fact, vote on a paper ballot? So there is, in fact, a paper trail?

Or are you just being purposely obtuse?

#168 Iron Fist

(Next thing ya know, Guys and Dolls, moron will pull a knife on me :-)

He is as stupid as he sounds, if he'd ever think going there was a good idea. ;-)

{{{Iron Fist}}}

Fist, we need fresh troll meat for the stew. Would you russle up a fresh troll for me?

Thanks, sweetie.

#168 Iron Fist,

Thanks for the great 1/2-time entertainment.

And I wouldn't worry too much about Pussy****way pulling a kanife on you.

He's slitting his own throat right now.

Back to the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl. The 2nd 1/2 kickoff is in the air.

Happy New Year's Day, I F! You always live up to your nic.

Hear tell from kith and kin in King that there are folks who still have Kerry/Edwards signs in their windows.

Gabba Gabba Hey

Ha! Not to one-up you but... Saw a couple of gore stickers a few weeks prior to Nov 04. That was in Olympia. I couldn't help but laugh.

#110 hs

Are you talking about the crack cocaine for Democratic voter registration,the people who voted multiple times(for Kerry) or perhaps the registered voters outnumbering the census of eligable voters in Franklin county(which went massively for Kerry)?

Do you even know what's going on in Ohio?

Many of US live in Ohio and we have been following this tripe since the election.

Where are your facts and are they beyond reasonable doubt or do you "just know" there was massive fraud?

Furthermore,

Do you know passaconaway?
Maybe you two could compare notes and come up with something better than your current "repeat unproven talking points until someone believes me" drivel.

#171 Gabba Gabba Hey

folks who still have Kerry/Edwards signs in their windows.

...in their Volvo wagons. They're going to be for Volvo wagons what greatful dead bear stickers are to VW busses. An accessory. Like Calvin peeing in the rear window of a pickup truck.

Looks like I've smacked 2 moonbats in one sentence and killed 2 threads...a pretty full day for the first of the new year.

I'm going to bed,goodnight fellow Lizards

#168 Iron Fist

Out of three recounts in Washington, the Republican won two, then the Democrat won one, and it was over?

You are perfectly correct as far as you go, but it's even worse than that. The two that Rossi won were machine counts. The one that Gregoire won was by human hand count, all 2.9 million of them, one by one. I say that it was the least reliable of the three counts.

All other things being equal, which do you think is more accurate: using a calculator to balance your checkbook, or to balance it by doing the arithmetic longhand?

And of course, on top of that, all things weren't equal.

To add injury to insult, not only did Kerry pony up a significant portion of the $730,000 to pay for the hand recount that miraculously found that C.G. actually won, but now the counties (i.e., the voters and taxpayers) have to pay back to the Dimms more than the slush fund they put up. Dimss will be getting back nearly $1.5 million. Can anyone say money laundering?

#178 Yep, "money laundering."

King county: Over 500 votes listing the same adress. Modification of votes. Continuing to find and count ballots 7 weeks after the election. Holding off certification untill the desired result is achieved. Judges in the pocket of the Democratic party...

Call it what ever you want to.

It's even better. Now we have affadavits all done in the same handwriting.

We have an election system only libruls can love...