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Sat, Jan 1, 2005 at 6:02:08 pm PST

Northeastern University economics professor M. Shahid Alam, who wrote an execrable article comparing the September 11 hijackers (favorably) to the American Minutemen, has reacted to his critics with an article for the radical left journal Counterpunch: Testing Free Speech in America.

Of course, Professor Alam sees himself as a hero, standing up for free speech against “hate websites.”

“Hate websites,” like LGF and Jihad Watch, that simply report the words he wrote.

For example, when an LGF reader sent the following email to Professor Alam:

You are a disgrace to your position. How dare you state the those people killed that their people “might live, free and in dignity”? Where is your sense of justice and pride in the country that allows real freedom? You tell me what freedom and dignity the women in Afghanistan lived with! I await your reply.

I am a South African living in the US and I witnessed the transition from a one party dictatorship to a free democracy in SA and no children and civilians were slaughtered like bugs to do it. The South African people had nothing to lose yet they lived and died for freedom with real honour and dignity. There is no justifications for terrorism and by doing so, you make yourself complicit in murder. Learn from South African history that one need not use terrorist tactics to achieve goals and then educate yourself professor that one need not justify murder.

Dean Levitt

Professor Alam, misunderstood hero of free speech, wrote:

Why is it that the only hateful mail I have received is signed by Levitt, Hoch or Freedman?

In a previous incident in 2002, Professor Alam claimed that his Northeastern University email account had been “spoofed” to send antisemitic emails: Prof. blacklisted. (Hat tip: Geepers.)

A Northeastern professor said he was harassed and “blacklisted” because of his views about the political unrest in the Middle East. Now, the question has been raised: does anti-Semitism plague Northeastern’s campus?

The discussion about anti-Semitism began when professors in Northeastern’s economics department received e-mails from Professor M. Shahid Alam, a tenured professor in the department, containing anti-Semitic material.

Professor Alam said he is not anti-Semitic and never sent the e-mails, but knows how they were sent.

About two weeks ago, Alam said he discovered that a website started by a pro-Israel research group had posted a dossier (file) on him. The site (www.campus-watch.org) posted dossiers on a number of professors at universities throughout the country, asking students to spy on them and report back to the website, Alam said. The site alleges that the professors in question are not sufficiently pro-Israeli, therefore they are anti-America as well, Alam said.

Alam said he has been targeted by Campus Watch because of a commentary he wrote in July that was published in a few Middle Eastern newspapers. He said his words were later taken out of context and published in the Jerusalem Post to make him appear anti-Semitic and supportive of terrorists.

As a result of the dossiers, Alam claims that he and the other professors named on the website were “spoofed,” an internet term meaning that someone illegally hacked into their e-mail accounts and sent messages disguising themselves as the individual professors.

“After an investigation, we have concluded that professor Alam did not send the e-mails in question,” said the Director of University Communications Ed Klotzbier.

Klotzbier said the investigation revealed that the e-mails did not originate from a Northeastern account or machine, and that at no time did Northeastern believe Alam supported terrorism or anti-Semitism.

In the case of Professor Alam’s reply to the LGF reader I quoted above, I have the original email headers showing (in several ways) that the email came from the professor’s account at Northeastern University. What are the odds that his account has been “spoofed” again?

Professor Alam also claims to have received “death threats.” This is a constantly recurring technique of radical Islamic apologists, noticed many times at LGF, used whenever they come under criticism. I’ve offered several times, publicly, to these people that I will help them track down these threats, if they provide me with the log data and email headers to see if they came from LGF. Not one person who claimed to receive death threats has ever taken me up on the offer. The same offer is hereby extended to Professor Alam.

But please note: while I’m being accused (again) of running a hate site that generates imaginary death threats, I posted the following as an update to my original entry about Professor Alam’s foul masterpiece of moral equivalence:

If you decide to contact the professor or his university, please remember that the best way to make your points heard is to be polite.

The director of Jihad Watch, Robert Spencer, has a very eloquent reply to Professor Alam’s smears: Jihad Watch, LGF slimed by Shahid Alam.

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1 Megan  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:09:13pm
Of course, Professor Alam sees himself as a hero, standing up for free speech against “hate websites.”

Like Jihad Unspun and other Muslim supremecist sites? Or Arab News and Al-Jazeera?

Professor Alam also claims to have received “death threats.”

If only racist imperialist right-wing Republican Zionists could be like the peaceful Muslims, who would never, ever make death threats to people who have differing opinions than they do!/sarcasm

2 KWH  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:09:14pm

Smear, is this the creamy or crunchy kind?

3 Oktober  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:09:45pm

Is he on the Fiskie list yet?

4 Miggie  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:11:03pm

Lying, incomprehensibly, appears to be perfectly ok in the Muslim tradition. I know there is a history with Mohammud making some treaty that he knew would last until he got the advantage and then he could break it. In any event, somewhere, someplace, these guys are making up lies. They are not just exagerrating but purposely lying. They must appreciate how bankrupt their positions are... yet they still continue to write lies in the furtherance of their views.

Just despicable.

First?

5 Yossarian  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:12:04pm

I love how Shahid uses the first section of his article to discuss some arguments he claims the right-wing charges and then doesn't attempt to refute them at all. In my English class, this essay would receive a failing grade--Shahid doesn't even try to back up his thesis using evidence. And he calls himself a professor?

6 Ami  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:12:53pm

American Universtities must become even more sensitive to Arab culture.

Take an example from Auckland University.

As part of their sensitivity training they will introduce squat toilets in the dorms!

7 Megan  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:13:01pm
Why is it that the only hateful mail I have received is signed by Levitt, Hoch or Freedman?

Hate= criticising leftist/Islamic bigotry and hypocrisy?

8 Andy in Agoura Hills  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:13:23pm

Death threats? You mean like a fatwa? Just ask Salmon Rushdie.

9 Ann  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:14:15pm
But let him talk. The more he does, the more I hope he will help awaken Americans to what we have allowed to happen to American universities, and what we are up against in general.

Thank you, Robert Spencer!

10 Obi-Wan  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:14:21pm

Another "out of context" moron!

11 steve miller  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:15:39pm

It's as if a tiny minority of extremists have hijacked this peaceful religion to spoof e-mail accounts and speeches in mosques, while the vast majority of these Mohammedans are strangely silent about these impostures.

How does that happen?

12 Bubble Girl  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:17:05pm

Someone should publish a book of the "good professor's statements" quoted in the article. The more Americans read his "views" the more he will be outed and make his University look extremely awful, especially to Alumni, yet somehow I feel if one were to look at the Uni's Accounting there might just be large sums flowing into this institution from overseas, this Uni may not depend on Alumni cash. They probably get funds from the people in the Middle East who do not have our best interests at hand.

13 wordwolf  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:18:33pm

Between this thread and the Columbia University one below, plus the documentation every day on Frontpagemag.com... My son is 14 and will be off to college too soon for me. What are his father and I supposed to tell him?: "Hide your kippah under a ball cap, even in the dorm." "No matter what vile name someone calls you, DO NOT RESPOND; just pretend you didn't hear." Hell, we might have to start with "You really don't have to indicate you're Jewish on your application, do you?" Why do decent people have to pretend, hold their tongues, and slip underground while knaves can strut and boast and openly declare plans of conquest?

I wanna go home.

14 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:19:13pm

It's become a pretty familiar formula, hasn't it? Leftist/Islamonut "journalist"/academic/politician makes rabidly anti-Jewish/anti-American/anti-Bush comments. LGF reports comments. LGF is then accused of being a "hate site."

Apparently, the original comments are not hateful, but reporting them is. Or, I should say, reporting them to a non-Leftist audience is. It's O.K. if you post Alam's comments on, say, Indymedia, where everyone will applaud him and say he's wonderful.

15 Geepers  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:19:56pm

Professor Shahid says:

These positions were considered 'radical' by America's mainstream media: and they shut me out. This wasn't the first time that I had tested free speech in America. My earlier foray into the domain of free speech, in 1990, had also been firmly repulsed.

It never ceases to amaze me the colossal irony of someone carping about being "silenced" while they hawk their latest book from a national publication.

I wonder if it ever dawned on the learned professor that his ideas suck, and that's the reason people ignore and ridicule him?

Nah, if you're a muslim it's religious persecution.

16 former demo  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:20:36pm

#6 Ami

Ugh. That makes me sick. Are they also going to teach them they only must wipe with the 'good' hand...not the dirty left hand?

And #7 Megan, note also the strongly implied anti-semite tone in his hate mail last names reference. Still the jews, always the jews...

I think they all lie to 'save face'. Look at Abbas today saying he was going to protect the militants from Israel.

Just disgusting.

17 Nannette  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:20:51pm

Islamic jihadists like him should go back to where they came from where they can put the views and actions into practice with people of like mind.

Obviously he doesn't like diversity of opinion or thought, and as far as claiming that your own computer is spoofing your emails... and lying through his teeth, he's obvious adept at Taqiyyah and is a practitioner of the Treaty of Hudabaiyah...

He doesn't like western values like freedom and democracy which of course go against the grain of all Islamists, but he forgets that the west is tolerant - only to a certain degree - before they start fighting back - it's happening in Holland right now... and sooner or later, there will be bloodshed once the patriots of all western countries reclaim their rights from the Islamists like him who are trying to conquer us with their antiquated beliefs and barbaric justice system.

18 Lady Redhawk  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:21:25pm

I agree with Robert Spencer. The more Alam talks, the deeper into doo-doo he gets. I would like the entire country to hear his views.

I do not believe anyone at LGF would issue a death threat to Alam, or any other muslim talking head. The fact that Alam does not take Charles up on his offer to investigate shows me that he is making the accusation up out of whole cloth.

Alam's credibility will soon be damaged beyond redemption by his own silly manipulations.

19 1ConservativeLawyer  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:21:57pm

I know it's shocking, but I still haven't received a response to my email from the NEU president. Guess I'll quite holding my breath now.

20 Geepers  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:22:01pm

Thanks for the Hat tip Charles.

21 Megan  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:22:28pm
"But this cannot obscure the fact that both were insurgencies, even though al-Qaida for now uses different methods. I might add, more abhorrent methods. But this is not the first time that insurgents have used such methods. The Zionists did so against the British and more massively against the Palestinians; several of them went on to lead Israel. So did the Irish, the Algerians and South Africans. Nelson Mandela, once jailed as a terrorist, is now the greatest world statesman.

Terrorists are more abhorrent than the founders of our country? Ya think?! SInce when did George Washington say that all British people, civilians and children included, should be killed? If he's looking for a good comparison of a previous "insurgency" and current Muslim "insurgency" against anyone- (Americans, Israelis, Christians, Jews, Russians, British, Budhist, Hindus, Europeans, black Africans, Balinese, Australians, Indians, etc.) he should look up the SA, and how they helped Hitler come to power. And terrorists is a better world for both the Nazis and jihadis.

22 SkippyMoment  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:22:57pm

A few thoughts on this.

1. I'm sick and tired of 'allegations' being accepted as truth, without being tested, verified, and put through it's paces. Time was a 'journalist' would check the facts, then report. Now they report, and screw facts.

2. I have seen LGF poster go over the top with posts expressing frustration, and some that go beyond the pale (? correct usage for that spelling?) , but always, Always, ALWAYS, those posts are challenged by LGF regulars. To think that minion would be stupid enough to actually make death threats... well I'm confident that Charles would ban them from the site, and turn their sorry a$$ in to the authorites.

3. I so greatly appreciate the integrity of this site, and Charles, who jealously and tirelessly protects the truth, accuracy, and integrity of LGF. Who never fails to offer to do what is right, and does what is right in every case. The fact that this 'professor' who allegedly received death threats from an LFG minion will not provide Charles with the information he requires to track down the culprit, casts a huge shadow of doubt on the authenticity of the claims.

And Charles, if you do find out who it was, I'll start the coals, and we'll BBQ is his/hir ass on the white hot coals.

23 Powderfinger  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:23:12pm

I got to this:

I have since been wondering why my suggestion that al-Qaida--like the American colonists before them--was leading an Islamic insurgency has provoked such a storm of vicious attacks.

and my brain locked up.

Help.

24 jakethesnake  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:25:59pm

So, I must be polite in order to be heard? Ok, would you please, pretty please, with sugar on top, get the fuck out of our country.

25 Bubble Girl  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:27:22pm

jakethesnake

jakethesnake? Are you the "Jake The Snake?"

26 Obi-Wan  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:27:51pm

#23 Powderfinger

Here, have a couple of VDH pills. They always work for me.

27 Elcid  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:28:11pm
comparing the September 11 hijackers (favorably) to the American Minutemen

Minutemen, Minutemen...where have I heard that word, recently?...hmmm...ahhh, alam, do you know michael moore?

28 Powderfinger  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:28:43pm

Then there's that pesky little fact that what al-Qaeda did on 9/11 wasn't insurgency.

The professor *spit* needs a dictionary.

29 quiteFrank  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:29:29pm

Hang in there buddies! You're on the side of right!

30 Lady Redhawk  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:29:41pm

#13 wordwolf

Stand your ground, and instruct your fine son to do the same.
None of us can allow the muslims or the LLL to determine how we will live our lives.

We all wish you strength and courage.

31 rabidfox  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:29:47pm

Something else to consider: Remember that there are occassionally trolls who squat through here with obviously faked EXTREME right wing views so that they can go back to there the DU cites and quote themselves (under a different user name, I'm sure) and show how extreme LGF is. Is there anything to say that IF this man did get death threats (something not proven at this point) they may not have been sent by a DU-type with and LGF tag or reference?

32 N.A. PALM  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:29:49pm

Islam is not a religion, it is anathema to religion. They have no God. It is a pathology of hate, paranoia and self loathing. It was promulgated by several guys who smoked too much opium and starting listening to voices from rocks and trees, but mostly their own internal demons.

They constructed books about it...and promoted it on the basis that, if you don't believe it, you must be killed. This hardly presents an opportunity for reasonable debate about Islam does it? Their Koran does not withstand any intellectual scrutiny. It is a bunch of hate filled crap.

Since 632 AD they have been a source of a great deal of destruction and evil behavior throughout the world. I always said, if they (Muslims) talk like the devil, and do the devil's work, then they ARE the devil.

They cannot have it both ways.

33 Geepers  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:30:21pm

Andy in Agoura Hills (#8),

Death threats? You mean like a fatwa? Just ask Salmon Rushdie.

Good point.

I wonder if the good professor would be willing to denounce this undeniable threat against free speech? And very public death threat?

34 Nannette  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:30:22pm

#16 former demo

All Islamists are anti-semites. So this guy is no different...

35 lmg  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:30:26pm
M. Shahid Alam

Well, what do you expect from a man whose middle name means "suicide bomber"?

36 jakethesnake  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:30:38pm

#25

Absolutely...in AND out of the pool.

37 jrdroll  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:31:38pm
Shahid Alam

Anybody have a spare explosive belt to give this guy?

38 Oktober  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:31:49pm
39 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:33:39pm

The prof protests too much.

What is wrong with hate speech? Does hate speech have any less note than other forms of speech. Western politics have a long, noble history of hate speech.

The pampleteers of the 1700's were suddenly able to shake the established mind-set, introducing new ideas, new possibilities.

We have seen what happens when the comman man suddenly has the ability to speak his/her mind. The printing press, telegraph, radio, TV, the Internet.

Each one of these quantum leaps have offered us the chance to better state our feelings to the rest of mankind. And to effect our future.

Those like the "good" professor have been locked into a system that has not kept pace with the rest of humankind.

Good wills out. What is his fear? Is he afraid that he can no longer throw dust in our eyes? Is he afraid that every comment and pronouncement he makes can be checked and double checked again and again?

Come out of the dark ages professor. If your right, then fight. But don't think that you can continue to baffle us with soothing words.

The truth is out there, we know what/where it is and you and your ilk cannot take it out of our hands.

Times up, professor.

Walter in Denver

40 Dr. Sanity  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:33:43pm

It is truly pathetic to me that the academic environments offers such apologists a aura of knowledge and a mantle of intellect. The Universities have harbored many such sloppy thinkers who have personal agendas and these sites of supposed learning have become a haven for the illogical, catering to anti-reason, anti-capitalistic; and anti-American ideologies that encourage the active suppression of free speech and thought.

Professors like Alam hide behind the mantra of "academic freedom" when their agenda is to decrease the freedom of others; they accuse everyone who critiques their perspective and "purveyors of hate" when their own hatred is obvious in their public writing and speech; and they insist on free speech, while simultaneously working to crush opinions that differ from theirs.

As an academic, I deal with people like this all the time. Some of them are just rather clueless and incompetent. Alam and others like him know exactly what they are doing. They are working from within a system they despise in order to bring it to destruction. I think of him as a ticking time bomb that threatens all that academia should really be standing for.

41 Nannette  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:34:01pm

This guy received death threats just like his email address was spoofed!

He's an adept liar, because he certainly has no moral scruples!

42 Beagle  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:34:36pm

They are running the playbook. I feel threatened by anyone who compares al Qaeda to the Founding Fathers. Given al Qaeda's goal - kill Jews, Americans, Crusaders... anywhere - I don't think I'm being rash. It's an insult to the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution to be compared to Islamist terrorists for the Kalipha, or whatever.

43 Dr. Sanity  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:35:03pm

P.S. It is no wonder that he defends the 9/11 hijackers, he is essentially doing the same thing those hijackers did, but in a different environment.

44 Paul  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:35:27pm

Looks as if the daffy professor is off to a head start for a 2005 Fiskie nomination.

"Counterpunch" of course; ProfessorAlam certainly knows his allies. The academic/LLL/Islamicist interpretation of the First Amendment means that professor Alam can say anything---no matter how absurd, hateful, contemptible or plain stupid; but don't dare criticize him---that's "hate speech"! And so the bizarre (and ultimately unstable) alliance of the Left and radical Islam continues.

45 Lyana  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:35:38pm

Let him keep talking - just keep up the heat. More and more of us are waking up to the true nature of Islam. We are a tolerant people, but we do not take kindly to the abuse of our good will.

46 Nannette  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:35:46pm

If the man is lying about an email death threat he received from one of the members here, and he's lied about it, then he's actually slandered LGF...

47 Catttt  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:35:53pm
I have since been wondering why my suggestion that al-Qaida--like the American colonists before them--was leading an Islamic insurgency [against imperialism] has provoked such a storm of vicious attacks.

Prof, here are some possible answers:
1. We don't like the American Minuteman being compared with Islamofascists; we don't like Islamofascists being compared with the American Minuteman either.
2. We don't agree with the "imperialism" concept.
3. We don't like the "imperialism" concept.
4. We know that Islamofascists want to kill/convert/or enslave us all.

Ya think?

PS - I don't hate you. I don't even know you.

48 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:36:11pm
49 reaganfan  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:36:30pm

This is the second front in the war against the Left-Liberal Establishment. The first front is the mainstream media. The mainstream media does not like blogs for it increases critical feedback. If you doubt this, ask Dan Rather.
Now a professor is all huffy because his outrageous views are being scrutinized by blogs.
I've found that professors are the worst participants in Internet discussion; they think they know everything. But one does not need a PhD in High Fulutn' Nonsense in order to think.

50 [Engineer]  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:36:31pm

When we had the last thread up about this guy, I posted a comment on his web site. The comment has still not been posted. His concern for free speech must be for his speech only.

51 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:37:01pm

Powderfinger: If he really doesn't know what he's done to cause offense, he's far too stupid to cross the street by himself, much less teach at the university level.

Of course, it's entirely possible the only Americans he knows are Ivy League profs who hate their own country and when he says stuff like that around them it doesn't even raise an eyebrow.

Now he's finding out that not all Americans who can write and spell and use computers think like Noam Chomsky. Astounding!

52 rabidfox  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:37:04pm

I once read a definition of evil in a piece of fictioin that I think hits the nail squarely on the head. "Evil is pure greed that wants what it can't have and destroys what it can't have rather than see someone else with its object of desire." That defines islam to a "T". It can't have the democracy and prosperity that that the west, particularily have, so its bound and determined to destroy them.

53 Megan  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:37:51pm

So he accuses others of blacklisting him, yet calls any form of criticism, or even documentation of his statements, as hate speech. He doesn't consider callind someone "racist" or hater, without any proof at all, to be blacklisting? No wonder the left loves Islamofascists so much, they have a lot in common.

54 former demo  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:38:06pm

#34 Nannette

Yeah I know...I just get tired of it. Have family who are Israelis and I went there for a wedding last fall.

For that matter, most of the left here are anti-semites as well.
And Europe, and...(fill in 90% of the world).

I still can't understand how 5-6 mil people are the basis for so much hate.

55 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:38:28pm

He's not really an islamofascist imperialist.

He's pretending to be one to test our freedom of speech.

It's just a science experiment!

56 zulubaby  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:38:57pm
Why is it that the only hateful mail I have received is signed by Levitt, Hoch or Freedman?

I don't think Shahid likes Jews.

57 little boomer  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:39:08pm

and to think my WWII and Korean War retread dad went to Northeastern...

58 N.A. PALM  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:39:15pm

# 52 Rabidfox...In case you haven't noticed it aslo describes most democrats pretty well too...

59 SkippyMoment  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:39:45pm

#40

As an academic, I deal with people like this all the time. Some of them are just rather clueless and incompetent. Alam and others like him know exactly what they are doing. They are working from within a system they despise in order to bring it to destruction. I think of him as a ticking time bomb that threatens all that academia should really be standing for.

There in lies the problem on our college campuses. Too much of this group think exists, and it is infecting the minds of our future.

The ACLU, the LLL, academia... strange bedfellows, all with similar agendas.

60 wordwolf  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:40:27pm

Thank you, Lady Redhawk. The best thing is to know that one is not alone. Thanks for the forthright sentiments.

BTW, congratulations on your nest being reinstalled on that fancy New York co-op...

;)

61 Nannette  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:41:11pm

Saudi Arabia actually reports the truth on this...

The Islamic jihadists are still sacrificing their little children... I wonder if they'll be celebrating tonight?

A ten-year-old Palestinian girl was killed Saturday when an explosion ripped through her home in the Jebaliya refugee camp in the northern Gaza Strip, hospital officials said.

Residents said Ibtihal Abu Daher was killed when a Palestinian rocket inadvertently hit her house. Her 11-year old brother Ihab was also wounded in the explosion.

[Link: www.spa.gov.sa...]

62 Ann  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:41:30pm

#43 Dr. Sanity

It is no wonder that he defends the 9/11 hijackers, he is essentially doing the same thing those hijackers did, but in a different environment.

Exactly! Just missionaries going about their work...

63 zulubaby  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:42:22pm

Why are so many of these professors Arabs? What is going on?

64 Catttt  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:42:54pm

#51 It's Miss Donna V. to you

Of course, it's entirely possible the only Americans he knows are Ivy League profs who hate their own country...

Yeah, that and his flock of cow-eyed students, many of whom are brainwashed enough to fall on the floor and kiss his boot and the rest of whom probably either avoid him or keep their traps shut.

65 Elcid  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:42:59pm

One assumes that the FBI, is watching, this person...of course it is bad to assume...BUT.

66 rabidfox  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:43:20pm

N.A. PALM: You're right! I hadn't noticed that, but you are most definately correct.

67 Andjam  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:43:22pm

He doesn't address the bit where he talked about the terrorists "following a dream" when they murdered 3000 (which was highlighted in bold by LGF), and he didn't deny (or confirm) that he commented on the surnames of those complaining.

68 zulubaby  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:43:57pm

Nannette (#61)

Notice how that story is nowhere to be seen. G-d how I hate the media.

69 lah-dee-dah-dah  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:45:18pm

Alam,

You lying Paleo-Jordanian POS.

Your credibility certainly rises every time you attempt to legitimize UBL and the splodey-dope political mentality.

Cus umuchk! Tel Hastizi!

70 Nannette  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:47:29pm

#54 former demo

I still can't understand how 5-6 mil people are the basis for so much hate.

Actually, it's more - they hate all of us, all 13.5 million of us... but then the Islamists aren't known for their bravery, and attack women and children where possible, because God forbid they have to fight man to man on a one to one basis, they're not capable... and they're so used to hiding behind their women's shirts and their childrens prams and pushchairs... it's because of their abject cowardice that they have to hide amongst civilian populations...

71 wordwolf  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:48:27pm

#69 la-dee-dah-dah

Cus umuchk! Tel Hastizi!

Yummy. Which means? (Actually, it sounds quite ferocious and vaguely obscene, regardless of translation!)

72 rabidfox  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:49:18pm

Zulubaby, that's one of the reasons why I believe in G*d. Here we've had the big media filtering the news for at least two generations now and along come the blogs that get the REST of the stories out there. If there isn't the hand of the Almighty in this it's an awfully timely coincidence and I don't really believe in coincidence. I hate the bid media more and more every day as the extent of their filtering agenda become more and more obvious.

73 Catttt  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:49:27pm

#56 zulubaby


Why is it that the only hateful mail I have received is signed by Levitt, Hoch or Freedman?

I don't think Shahid likes Jews.

Do you think he'd listen if I wrote? My name is Scottish. No, I don't think so either. However, I do have an urge to paint myself blue and go berserk in his general direction.

74 Nannette  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:50:44pm

#63 zulubaby

It's very easy for these Arab professors to buy their doctorate certificates...

As far as the media go - they're more than sickening... but then so is half the world right now.

The leftists and the anti-semitic Islamists... and I hope that they're all headed for destruction just like their old, worn out ideas are!

Islam itself is a sham - it's not a religion, it's a political, xenophobic ideology...

75 zulubaby  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:51:15pm

Cattt,

Levitt, Hoch or Freedman are all Jewish names. He was zigging the Jews.

76 Elcid  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:51:31pm

Why is it, that those that attempt to squelch the "free speech" of others, use it the most to defend themselves, professor alam?

77 rabidfox  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:51:47pm
However, I do have an urge to paint myself blue and go berserk in his general direction.

Do you think the LLL would celebrate your cultural heritage? Naw. Wrong heritage.

78 Nannette  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:52:02pm

#73 Cattt

LOL Cattt - someone should give him a Glasgow "smile"...

79 Lady Redhawk  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:52:16pm

#73 Cattt Berserker

I think that would scare the bloody piss outta him!

80 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:52:38pm
Is there anything to say that IF this man did get death threats (something not proven at this point) they may not have been sent by a DU-type with and LGF tag or reference?

Excellent point, rabidfox. Like the asshat in Kentucky last week who claimed he was the victim of a "hate crime." Supposedly some yahoos burned the word "fag" into his forehead. Except that the letters were reversed- just like they would be in a mirror. The bonehead admitted he had committed a "hate crime" - against himself.

There was a teacher in California who did something similiar and got jail time for it.

Some of these fake "hate crime" people are obviously mentally ill folks who want nothing more than attention and deserve pity. Some of them, though, like the character in California, are lefties who believe "victimhood" is the highest moral level one can achieve. Being a "victim" (of white male Christian conservatives or of Israelis) absolves one of any responsibility. So the next logical step is to ensure that one is seen as a victim - and if you have to fake it, well, it's worth it for the cause, right?

81 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:53:02pm

I hereby nominate Shahid Alam for the IOTY award.

82 zulubaby  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:53:41pm

Nannette, I'm not questioning their ability to obtain degrees, I'm questioning why they're all over our university campuses. Who is employing them and why.

83 zulubaby  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:55:11pm

rabidfox, the media is out of control. I just don't know what else to do to fight the bias.

84 Catttt  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:55:18pm

75 zulubaby 1/1/2005 06:51PM PST

Cattt,

Levitt, Hoch or Freedman are all Jewish names. He was zigging the Jews.

Lol, zulubaby, I know that. I was being sarcastic. Although - the idea of berserking him is appealing.

I actually considered e-mailing him, but the idea of doing it just because I'm NOT Jewish - no, that is descending to his level. Berserking is the way to go.

85 mich-again  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:56:43pm

Just another Academia Nut who uses their high profile position to spread propoganda but then is shocked when that message is challenged in public.

The "return volley" essays from Muslim intellectuals that I have read in the last few weeks have been pathetic. They completely avoid the very real issues of Islamic violence, tyranny and pedophilia, female abuse, and FGM, and simply wax on about how peaceful they really are and how the world's progressive minds already know this, but the ignorant do not.

The Muslim faith is not a religion. It is a cult. Religion perfects the individual, while cults care only for the good of the group.

86 Ami  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:56:52pm

# 76 Elcid


Why is it, that those that attempt to squelch the "free speech" of others, use it the most to defend themselves, professor alam?

It's an interesting point. Like why do 'Holocaust deniers' deny something they are actually promulgating?

Go figure...

87 former demo  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:56:53pm

#70 Nannette

Of course, a rhetorical question on my part. Still getting over NY eve. They (the Arabs/Muslims) are complete pussies, you're right on that one. Very cowardly, Israel beat them in all 3 wars and yet, they (the so-called Palestinians) still demand the right of return. Nothing changes ever, does it? Want right of return, want Jerusalem as their capitol, in short, everything including all of Israel to turn into their Arab crap hole (Gaza multiplied).

And nothing will change now w/Arafat's demise. I'm afraid it will take generations for them to wake up. If ever. Not optimistic at all.

I also am angry that we (the US) aren't doing more to do something about Iran, because I think a nuke being lobbed in Israel soon isn't so far-fetched.

PS - in Israel, we slept in my brother in law/sis in law's bomb room. Fully seal proof, if necessary.

88 Catttt  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:57:09pm

79 Lady Redhawk 1/1/2005 06:52PM PST

#73 Cattt Berserker

Ooooh - I like the sound of that - "Cattt Berserker."

Nice.

89 Nannette  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:58:18pm

#82 zulubaby

I question their ability to get degrees...

And as far as I'm aware, it's the left wing of America who employ them in the universities - and also if the unis are sponsored by the Arabs, it's a prerequisite that they have Arab lecturers on the middle east, and any subject relevant... so they can continue to teach their hate!

Notice how all other university sponsors have no prerequisites, but just donate the money for good purpose...

90 Elcid  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 4:59:14pm

80 It's Miss Donna V. to you

Like the asshat in Kentucky last week who claimed he was the victim of a "hate crime." Supposedly some yahoos burned the word "fag" into his forehead. Except that the letters were reversed- just like they would be in a mirror.

Yeah remember reading about this stupid bastard...so now he goes around with...'GAF' permanently stamped on his numbskull...what POS.

91 Geepers  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:00:40pm

The good professor of economics gives us a history lesson:

In their war of independence, the Americans may not have targeted civilians, but they did commit atrocities, and they did inflict collateral damage on civilians.

Got that?

92 Nannette  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:05:03pm

#87 former demo

I love Israel, but have never slept in a bomb room...

Iran's not the only problem, Egypt and Syria are. Syria has the missing WMDs and America is selling so much military hardware to Egypt (who also has warheads)... the only scenario is that the Arab countries are ready for an all-out war with Israel - but they still won't win!

93 Thomas  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:05:25pm

# 40 Dr. Sanity

Universities have harbored many such sloppy thinkers who have personal agendas

Where else would sloppy thinkers be welcomed?

Parents can use the market-place to leverage those profs. and those phony studies out of the Universities.

My daughter is about 6 years away from college, and when the time comes, I will not shell out one nickel for an "Adventures in Tolerance" course.

I will only fund studies for real vocations, Medicine, Engineering, Business, Technical Specialist. (Im sure I'm forgeting something).

Lets not doom our next generation to the managment of coffee shops.

94 Andjam  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:06:22pm

#90 Elcid:

Yeah remember reading about this stupid bastard...so now he goes around with...'GAF' permanently stamped on his numbskull...what POS.

There was also that case in France where someone claimed to be the victim of an anti-Jewish hate crime just to get attention.

95 lah-dee-dah-dah  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:07:03pm

#71 wordwolf:

I've instructed the h'mar (POS) Alam (in his "native tongue") [yuk yuk] to lick my keester after he's finished doing the same to his mama's twaaahhhttt! 4l(;+'p)

96 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:07:28pm

What a whiny, slimy dirtbag.

I don't believe any LGFer would send a death threat. Jerk. Let him prove it.

And HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone!

97 mich-again  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:08:28pm

93 Thomas

I will not shell out one nickel for an "Adventures in Tolerance" course.

I agree, but you better check on that before they enroll in a University. If the Indoctrination 101 class is on the list of required courses, you'll have no choice but to pay for it once your child is enrolled.

98 TotallySirius  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:09:16pm

Professer Alam has violated the 3 sins of political debate as well as used the logical fallacy of the false burden.

He made anti semitic remarks,LGF and Jihad Watch called him on it.In his defense he is attacking the messenger,changing the subject of debate and is confusing the issue by charging LGF and JW are hate sites.He further compounds this with the assertion that LGF and JW have to prove they are innocent of the charges thereby changing the burden of proof to the accused.

Have I missed anything?

We have a new candidate for the "festering heap of yak dung" award.

99 blueroom127  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:14:04pm

Hi all, hope all had a good New Year.

The above link to his new article doesn't work. Is it just me?

100 Elcid  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:14:07pm

Question...If during the course of a heated discussion, I say to someone..."I wish you'd die and go to hell", is this considered a 'death threat'?

101 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:15:07pm

#59 SkippyMoment

There in lies the problem on our college campuses. Too much of this group think exists, and it is infecting the minds of our future.

Academics are a herd of independent thinkers.

102 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:16:01pm

#100 ElCid

Not unless you are God and can follow through.

103 Elcid  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:18:44pm

102 WriterMom

Not unless you are God and can follow through.

What is this you say my child...:-)

104 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:19:52pm

#103 El Cid

Snicker, snort, snicker...

105 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:20:51pm

This guy does not deserve an Idiotarian Award.


His lies, deceit and hate are to advance the radical Islamic cause.


The only idiotarian thing he has done has been to damage the cause of taqqiya and kitman, he shouldn't be that open in advocating armed conflict against the US until there are a lot more Muslims in this country.

106 former demo  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:21:56pm

#92 Annette,

Bomb rooms are so much fun to sleep in...door seals shut, windows, too (roll down contraption w/rubber to seal you in). Feels like you are sleeping in a morgue, I kid you not. Especially when we were there in 90+ temps.

But, still good they have them.

Yes, I know about Syria and all the other shanagans going on over there. They're all lying and I know the WMDs were moved to Syria. Well, I don't know that for a fact, but that's my opinion. Also good news to see that Iraq is shilling to get us to bomb Syrian targets from Iraq to take out some of the shit they've been storing.

We'll see if Condi has the stomach for it.

107 former demo  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:23:48pm

Oh, and I correct myself - these rooms are mostly for chemical attacks.

Had my mask as well, in laws always have extras for visiting family!

108 blueroom127  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:26:49pm

I got to read the article and he obfuscated so much of it. What a load of lies and untruths. He claims he is not anti semitic but only LLL's who won't see antisemitism in anything will fail to see the obvious.

also, his reference to Nelson Mandela as a terrorist turned master statesman implies that all terrorists are potential great leaders. What a stupid mess that only those that pretend to be liberal while supporting vicious dictatorships can enjoy.

109 Catttt  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:27:54pm

#100 Elcid

If I sing "Join Me in Death" or "Don't Fear the Reaper" to someone, is that a death threat? (no smart remarks about my voice - this is just hypothetical)

110 Rearden  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:33:25pm

From his Counterpunch article:

Instead, they focused on my description of 9-11 as part of a global Islamic insurgency against imperialism, and, hence, its similarity with the American war of independence.

Does anybody know what he means by this? In what way is the Muslim world still dominated by Western imperialists?

111 rayw  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:35:02pm

I know this has already been posted, but if you haven't watched Brainwashing 101, do it now. It fits this thread perfectly.

112 Elcid  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:46:28pm

109 Cattt

(no smart remarks about my voice - this is just hypothetical)

LOL...I couldn't carry a tune in a bucket, if someone gave me a truck load...

If I sing "Join Me in Death" or "Don't Fear the Reaper" to someone, is that a death threat?

See, Cattt, that was my question as well...as litigious as these radical islamist's have become, USING our system of freedom, grabbing a radical leftwing attorney and slapping a lawsuit on someone, could become a reality.

Apologize, was watching nice touch at the Fiesta Bowl, reuniting one of our brave young men, with his wife and children...didn't hear it all, but I watched the tears of joy and WITH tears of joy.

113 foreign devil  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 5:51:13pm

Two words for this guy: "BITE ME!"

114 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 6:07:37pm
115 lazytart  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 6:08:28pm

Cattt,

I wrote to him; told him he was 'insane and evil' and that I am NOT Jewish... awaiting my fatwa.

No reply.

He knows *exactly* what he is doing.

And, IMO, there are THAT many "arab" professors because it is a calculated plan and part and parcel of their war on civilization, freedom, democracy, and anyone who will not submit to Allah.

**CHILLS** and revulsion.

116 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 6:09:12pm

Can we deport him now?

Or should he run for Congress? Sadly, the current Democrat leadership would find nothing disagreeable about him.

117 reaganfan  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 6:14:55pm

to #111 rayw

Thanks for the link to the documentary. When the economics professor said that "cutting edge work being done in ...feminist economics" I wondered, "Is he joking?"
Its free market economists who seem to be at the "cutting edge", if winning Nobel Prizes is an indicator. When did a "feminist economics" win a Nobel Prize?
Crikey. When he said that he was not joking.

118 john blake  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 6:16:31pm

#113

ooohhh... another death threat? heh

119 AtlasShrugged  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 6:22:11pm

This is the important work Daniel Pipes and his minions are doing. Campus Watch!
Anyone out in LGF land that is attending university and coming up against this bias and racism, Mr.Pipes will anonymously evaluate the school and present the findings to the head of school and the administration.
Keep this in mind...just write to Mr. Pipes via his website.

120 piglet  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 6:26:50pm
If I sing "Join Me in Death" or "Don't Fear the Reaper" to someone, is that a death threat?

oh, but blue oyster cult bashing is ok? right? :-)

121 TouchDown  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 6:27:52pm

Islam wants Muslims to lie if it means advancing goal of Islamic imperial global domination.

Of course Professor, it was a "spoof" - and Muhammed really flew to Jerusalem on a flying horse too.

122 Gabba Gabba Hey  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 6:39:56pm

It sickens me how the unhallowed halls of higher vegucation reverberate with the hate speech of so-called academics *spit*

123 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 6:40:07pm

The most important aspect of this story is the affect that Campus-Watch.org is having. We need more groups like this to monitor what our tax dollars are paying for.

"Professor" Alam can say what he wants. But we shouldn't have to pay for it.

And because a major publisher didn't pick up his book he is being blacklisted? What an egotistical asshat.


QM

124 Hassen bin Sober  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 6:42:58pm

these bastards are experts in agit-prop, well-schooled by their old Soviet sponsors, particularly in Egypt 1955 - 75. They're not "daffy" or "loony" academics - they're subversive agents and they're on plan.

125 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 7:00:01pm
126 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 7:05:47pm
127 jlfintx  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 7:20:48pm

I think the only solution is to run these people out of this country. At some point, playing nice and civil just runs its course. Why do we have to wait for another "event" to do the right thing?

128 Rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 7:55:02pm
129 oldengr  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 8:34:48pm

"Hate websites,” like LGF and Jihad Watch, that simply report the words he wrote.

Here is one website that simply report the words they heard:

[Link: raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com...]

Notice they say (referring to a photo) " . . . people in Fallujah were killed by chemical weapons. . . . two men died while they were sleeping, there is no blood any where that can indicate they were shot." Just a cursory examination of said photo shows a pool of blood under the "sleeping" man's head!

Slightly OT, but has anybody else seen this site:

[Link: ga3.org...]

I hope I won't see a rush of LGFers signing that petition!

130 doubledip  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 9:04:28pm

These attacks were resumed starting December 30, 2004, after several hate websites began posting selected paragraphs from an article, "America and Islam, Seeking Parallels," that had appeared on Counterpunch and Dissident Voice over the previous days. [1] The article made several points. Indeed, much of it was dedicated to castigating Muslims for their political failure to resist, in their own countries, the surrogate tyrannies that have mangled their lives. Indeed, in rhetorical flourish, I blamed the attacks of 9-11 on this Muslim failure. That should have made many right-wing Americans happy; but this did not interest the attackers.

Pretty slick doublespeak, Prof. Alam, but sorry...you may say you blame 9-11 on Muslim failure and wonder why right-wing Americans don't agree with you, yet it's quite apparent from your "Seeking Parallels" article that you don't see the hijackers as examples of the Muslim failures you listed. Rather, you see the hijackers as noble protesters/activists who merely spoke out in righteous anger and did what they had to in order to challenge the Muslim world to examine their failures, question their zeal in addressing them, and follow in their (i.e. hijackers') "principled" footsteps.

This is what you believe the hijackers believed ---

Above all, the question that the hijackers of 9-11 pose to their Islamic compatriots is this: "What have you risked to oppose your own tyrants, your own ruling cliques, tribes and sectaries...?"

"We engage in this violence against the United States," they say, "because you force us to, because you have failed to act against the American surrogates in your own countries..."

"Mobilize now," they repeat, "and we will join again your political struggle at home ­ in the Islamic lands..."

In short, Prof. Alam, you support and laud the 9-11 hijackers' deadly form of protest as an appropriate, commendable response to Muslim failure, while curiously ridiculing right-wing Americans for not jumping on the hijacker bandwagon to fight side by side against the Muslim failure.

As a right-of-center American, this is what does not make me happy.

But as others have suggested, go ahead and say it all you want. Enjoy the freedom of speech you have here in the West that many Islamic countries deny. That way, more in the West will see how much you talk out of both sides of your mouth.

131 doubledip  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 9:17:45pm

I should also add that in light of how Prof. Alam views the 9-11 hijackers, how does he view the murderer of Theo Van Gogh, who was killed for exercising his right to free speech in the same way the good professor is seeking to do?

Hate email is one thing. Hate knife wounds is another.

132 jaybird  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 9:17:59pm
Professor Alam also claims to have received “death threats.” This is a constantly recurring technique of radical Islamic apologists

And it's a recurring theme generally from Muslims since 9/11. I distinctly remember Muslim clerics and such in interviews being asked right after 9/11 whether most Muslims in the US agreed with the terrorists, and if not, if they would denounce what had been done in their name. Invariably these Muslim clerics, without ever clearly stating any denouncements, brought the conversation around to stating that their primary concern and worry about what happened on 9/11 was that it would evoke a violent backlash in America towards Muslims. That's when I realized that these guys only worry about themselves. They know how to use and milk our sensitivities, and then our sympathies, to gain an advantage. Whining about death threats is just part of that bag of tricks.

133 Athos  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 9:19:46pm

For a professor of economics, Alam is pretty well intellectually bankrupt.

Like many caught propigating hate speech in the name of the political beliefs - the first refuge for such a scoundral is the cry for the 1st Amendment and the protections of free speech.

And like many who try to hide in the same freedoms they ultimately wish to deny - they fail to really understand what that freedom is. He has freedom to say / write the reprehensible things he does. What he fails to understand is that under this system - he can be held accountable for the things he says.

Just in the same way that yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater isn't protected speech under the 1st Amendment - the vitriol, hatred, and justifications for mass murder that Alam spreads has limitations. Furthermore, those who wish to offer opposing viewpoints, who wish to shine the light of day on the slime and filth that he says / writes - have a protection under their free speech rights.

Ultimately, Alam will learn that with irresponsible speech - come the penalty of being held responsible by society for his actions. His free speech isn't a guarantee to a free pass from perhaps losing his job because of the level of irresponsible behavior he exhibits. At some point, the Trustees and Administration of the Northeastern University will decide that he is not a fit member of the faculty or to represent the University.

Hopefully that time will be soon - but his excuses are as disengenious and false (based on actions / history) as his original premises.

134 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 9:28:01pm

this is typical Islamist garbage. When will more people wake up to this Islamofascism? and I hope those nutzoids quote this post because it's telling the TRUTH about them!

135 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 9:30:04pm

Thanks to the blogs, we will out and get fired all these Islamofascists at universities. Every single last one of them. I want the blogosphere to EXPOSE and DESTROY their reputations!

136 Patrick Chester  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 10:31:04pm

WriterMom wrote:

What a whiny, slimy dirtbag.

I don't believe any LGFer would send a death threat. Jerk. Let him prove it.

And HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone!


He probably is taking something out of context.

I think I'll write that and email it to him. After explaining a concept of free speech he seems to have missed. You see, freedom of speech lets one post despicable statements like attempting to compare the Founders to Al Qaeda, what he doesn't understand apparently is that it allows people to express their disagreement with him and what an imbecilic meatbag he is for saying it.

137 Ann_Observer  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 10:35:32pm

Alam's middle name is 'Shahid', which is sometimes spelled 'Shaheed'. To expect objective analysis of muslim-related matters from somebody so-named is beyond naïve:

shaheed

138 Greggo  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 10:41:29pm

123 - Quilly Mammoth

The most important aspect of this story is the affect that Campus-Watch.org is having. We need more groups like this to monitor what our tax dollars are paying for.


David Horowitz at Frontpage.com is also doing some good work in this area.

139 american soldier  Sat, Jan 1, 2005 10:46:28pm

Yee-hah!
An unfortunate consequence of our oath of office is that we've pledged to defend, with our lives if need be, every jackass's right to be a jackass. But I have been giving a LOT of thought of late, to the phrase, "...enemies, foreign and domestic".

I've been saying since 9/11 that this war will end when they're all dead or we're all dead, not a moment sooner. The prof has done nothing to change that opinion.

140 Carridine  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 12:28:27am

LGF'ers...

I sent this to Alam:

"On September 11, 2001, nineteen Arab hijackers too
demonstrated their willingness to die - and to kill -
for their dream. They died so that their people might
live, free and in dignity."

Don't even PRETEND that I hate your ignorance.

I simply point out to you that attacking the one
country created on freedom, built on responsible
liberty and sharing democratic values with oppressed
Muslims from Bosnia to Iraq, is an action AGAINST
living "...free and in dignity."

Baha'u'llah promised that God has given "...power to
the people." You can't stop the love of God and the
knowledge of God from spreading to the people of the
world, who have a right to learn of His coming 1260 AH.

And my name is NOT Levitt, Hoch or Freedman. It is
Hooper, "Makes Iron Rings of Unity" It is also the
name of one of the Signers of the Declaration of
Independence, NONE of whom committed atrocities AS A MATTER OF POLICY!

Kerry Dean Hooper

141 DocDale  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 1:14:53am

The racist response Shahid Alam sent to Dean Levitt should be sent (complete with headers) to Daniel Pipes, Campus Watch and anyone else who will listen. We may not be able to catch him out for being a hijacker-luvvie, but we can call him out for his cheap racism.

Fancy being a Jewish student in one of this guy's classes?

Kind regards.

142 Florida Lady  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 2:12:41am

After reading this, it's so comforting to know my daughter Christa attends NEU

/sarc. off

Thank God she is so well grounded in her conservative values. This professor's rants would never affect her way of thinking.

Sadly, though, many of her classmates would be influenced . . . mindless sheep, following the herd.

When W won in November, kids at NEU were in tears, shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you. When W took Florida that night, a student came up to Christa and shouted in her face, "It's your f*** fault - your f*** state did this." Christa's response? A big smile and a "Yep!" (that's Southern for "yes, my candidate won, you stuck-up Boston snob.")

Think I will be writing a letter to NEU's president about Professor Alam . . .

Charles, thank you for bringing this to our attention.

143 Becket Saunders  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 3:01:53am

Our survival requires the supression of the Religion of Peace. So to the removal of non-citizens from our shores. Do it or die.

144 Trumanite  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 3:35:48am

Further examples of Muslim tolerance.

On 12/11, LDG posted an article by Charles Moore, printed in the UK Telegraph: Is it only Mr Bean who resists this new religious intolerance? [Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Charles (Johnson) predicted that "Muslims are going to really, really hate this article". I guess they really, really did.

The weblog "Let's Be Civilized" [Link: letsbecivilized.blogspot.com...] has the following:

From their own website: [Link: www.razaacademy.com...]
Indian "Raza Academy" Calls for Death of British Journalist
"Insulter of the Holy Prophet deserves to be killed and should be Hanged"
[Link: www.razaacademy.com...]

Islamic Law says that anyone using the slightest derogatory word for the holy Prophet Deserves to be killed and hence we demand nothing less than this that the UK authorities arrest this Shameless author and hang him without any trial.

Those supporting the "religious hatred law" in Britain no doubt also support Raza Academy's call for murder.

145 jleaper  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 3:38:49am

Do the University alumni organizations have influence any more? What about parents who pay tuition? Is "academic freedom" so sacrosanct that we have to abide these lunatics?

146 Geepers  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 3:44:03am

Trumanite (#144),

Islamic Law says that anyone using the slightest derogatory word for the holy Prophet Deserves to be killed and hence we demand nothing less than this that the UK authorities arrest this Shameless author and hang him without any trial.

Fuck mohamed the "holy prophet", he was a pedophile, thief, liar and murderer.

Think that rates?

147 RickZ  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 4:13:45am

# 42 Beagle:

They are running the playbook.

A playbook, indeed, written over centuries.

# 42 Paul:

"Counterpunch" of course; ProfessorAlam certainly knows his allies. The academic/LLL/Islamicist interpretation of the First Amendment means that professor Alam can say anything---no matter how absurd, hateful, contemptible or plain stupid; but don't dare criticize him---that's "hate speech"! And so the bizarre (and ultimately unstable) alliance of the Left and radical Islam continues.

Exactly right. The denial of one's right to a rebuttal of "contemptible or plain stupid" ideas, by deeming that rebuttal "hate speech," is the legal straitjacket the modern jihad takes against us. Another version of Lenin's prescient: "They will sell us the rope by which we hang them." The jihadis will use our marketplace of ideas to our ruin. Unless the word gets out and the tide is stopped. No longer is the savior of Western Civilization a city or a battlefield against the jihad, but a country, very likely the last, in which one can hope for the possibility of a coalition against this legal jiahd, a forced convergence of the threatened; a hope to allow our continued philosophic progression, warts and all. A winnowing of those "contemptible or plain stupid" ideas from polity.

Lenin meant to hang us; so do the jihadis. It's written in their playbook.

148 RickZ  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 4:18:45am

My #147: That should have been # 44 Paul. Sorry about that, Chief.

149 RickZ  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 4:42:47am

# 80 It's Miss Donna V To You:

So the next logical step is to ensure that one is seen as a victim - and if you have to fake it, well, it's worth it for the cause, right?

May I say, that was as wonderful a "/Channeling Dan Rather" as I've seen. The Left and islam, strange bedfellows.

150 Trumanite  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 4:55:12am
146 Geepers 1/2/2005 05:44AM PST Fuck mohamed the "holy prophet", he was a pedophile, thief, liar and murderer. Think that rates?



No doubt it "rates" a call for your murder from Raza Academy.

Does a published call for murder "rate" with David Blunkett as "religious hate"? This outfit does have a presence in Britain.

Raza Academy, 16 Carmichael Street, Edgeley, Stckport,
SK3 9JX, U.K).

151 WarBicycle  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 5:14:58am

What really worries me is that the next generation of our youth attending university could be influenced by this idiot.

152 FloridaHeat  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 5:21:57am

I followed the link from #144, to the Raza Academy and think its worth pasting this outrageous DEMAND in its entirety here:


Insulter of the Holy Prophet deserves to be killed and should be Hanged.!

17th Dec 2004

Muslims Angered by insulting remarks on the Holy Prophet of Islam by UK based author Mr Charles Moore published in the Daily Telegraph, London

Insulter of the Holy Prophet deserves to be killed and should be Hanged.!

The issue of the Daily Telegraph, London dated 11th Dec 2004 has created a wave of anger and frustration in the entire Muslim world. While hundreds of letters have been sent to the telegraph condemning the insulting remarks on the Holy Prophet (several have also been published by the telegraph) these are not enough to project the deep concern and the great reverence Muslims have for their beloved Prophet. Muslims all over he world have called for the suspension of the Author Mr. Charles Moore, the boycott of the Newspaper and legal cases to be filed against the printers and publishers of such blasphemous article.

Raza Academy has taken strong objection to the way and manner in which the article has been published. Not only did the author Mr. Charles Moore (we shall not desist from calling him a Bastard as this is far less than what he has written for the holy Prophet) insult “Jesus” but has also used the worst derogatory words for the Holy Prophet of Islam which if shown to the local Public would create an unrest un suppressible by anyone on earth.! Islamic Law says that anyone using the slightest derogatory word for the holy Prophet Deserves to be killed and hence we demand nothing less than this that the UK authorities arrest this Shameless author and hang him without any trial.

The Academy has written to the UK High Commission on Mumbai and asked for an immediate appointment with the Commissioner to put forward their demand and take an assurance from him that Mr. Charles Moore will be punished for his remarks.

Also the Academy has challenged the author and the Telegraph Newspaper to a debate on the issue and has demanded an unconditional apology from the Newspaper with immediate effect.

For Raza Academy


Mohammed Saeed Noori (Gen Sect)

153 FloridaHeat  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 5:35:50am

hmm... seems this isn't the first time Raza Academy has tried to silence people who spoke out against Islam. From their "About" page:

In 1988 the first fatwa against the ill famed Salman Rushdie was issued by Raza Academy after obtaining it from Jaanasheene Huzoor Mufti e Aazam which was published in the Daily Hindustan on the 11 November 88 and on 12th November in Inquilab and Urdu Times

and

In 1996 on the th of October a newspaper Saamna carried insulting remarks against the Holy Prophet on which Raza Academy held nationwide demonstrations. Then the paper apologized for the same. The Raza Academy tried to prosecute its Editor Mr. Bal Thackeray but Since the Central Government did not grant permission he could not be prosecuted.

cute. they close with:

The listing of the services by Raza Academy is not for propaganda or for receiving applause from you but it is to show a way to those who have the light of Maslake Aalahazrat burning in their hearts and who are always restless to be of some work for the cause of Islam and Sunniyat

Interesting that they assume their audience would applaud hanging people without benefit of trial.

154 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:08:48am

#144, #153

Those Reza Academy freaks prove Charles Moore's point rather vividly, don't they?

155 SunCat  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:14:52am

Well, maybe his email was hacked--but probably not, since he will not submit his claims to the test.

Look at this

"They say no one can criticize America so anyone who does is a champion of free speech"

and

"They say no one can criticize the Feminist Movement so anyone who does is a champion of free speech"

Get it?

156 burst  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:17:49am

As innovators of a completely open system of government, we Americans must realize that no particular group may govern. Our open system allows those that wish to, by concerted effort, to change our system to suit them. If the integrity of the system is to remain intact, we must allow this change. 'Our' system will grow to include 'them'. This mean we may have to give up some of our preconceptions about what is 'comfortable'.

157 FloridaHeat  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:27:11am

#156 burst

um.. you DO realize that Islam is completely CONTRARY to the US Constitution and the much stated goal of Islamists is to completely ELIMINATE our democratic rule of law and replace it with a theocracy based on Sharia?

You DO realize that thousands of brave men and women have given their lives to preserve the Constitution, and millions more stand ready to do the same again if necessary.

But just out of curiousity, exactly what part do you want to give up in your effort to "compromise"?

158 Geepers  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:33:21am

burst (#156),

'Our' system will grow to include 'them'. This mean we may have to give up some of our preconceptions about what is 'comfortable'.

So you're going to be comfortable living under sharia law?

CAIR Chairman Omar M. Ahmad told a crowd of California Muslims in July 1998, "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran [...] should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth"

They don't want to "change" the system, they want to use our openness to defeat and replace our system.

You may be "comfortable" with that, I'm not.

159 burst  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:43:38am

157 florida heat
You are misreading my thoughts. I am not proposing to give up anything. I AM NOT ATTACKING. That's what the lefties complain about when they're talking about the posters at LGF.

I am suggesting that the 'sympathizers' are lodged between red staters and jihadists. They have voting rights. They have religious conviction but are not stupid enough to openly murder. They are in our educational institutions and in every trendy coffee shop across America. There will be change.

I think it is best to understand the open system we have engendered because it is like any microsoft program...anyone can come in and modify it if they have the solidarity to do so.

Our anti-virus program can only be violence when there is a clear perpetrator. Islamists are recognizing this and adjusting their strategy accordingly.

160 plaasjaapie  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:50:26am

Regarding an assertion by Dean Levitt, viz, I am a South African living in the US and I witnessed the transition from a one party dictatorship to a free democracy in SA and no children and civilians were slaughtered like bugs to do it. The South African people had nothing to lose yet they lived and died for freedom with real honour and dignity.

I lived in Pretoria and worked in Johannesburg from 1981-1993. Dean Levitt may be a South African but his assertion that no civilians and children were slaughtered there in the runup to the turnover of SA from the Nationalists to the ANC is a flat LIE.

My own maid's 6 year old daughter was attacked and hit in the head with a hatchet by young "ANC activists" when she attempted to go to school being picketed by this young thugs. She was so traumatized that she didn't speak for over six months. Mister Devitt seems to have forgotten that "neclacing' (beating a person to within an inch of their life, hanging a car tire willed with parrafin (kerosene to you Yanks) and igniting it for that last inch was a method invented by the ANC to "forge a political consensus" as I heard one American embassy ass smoothly explain at one point. My ex worked in the burns ward at the HF Verwoerd city hospital in Pretoria giving psychological support to people on whom this very humane technique for achieving political support had failed.

There were not many people wearing white hats in the 1980's in South Africa. White hats are, to this day, very rare there.

161 burst  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:54:03am

158 Geepers

No.
Again you guys are reading radically. There are many outspoken groups whose opinions are marginal and may have little effect. It is those whose numbers are greater and are swayed by sentiment and the gray areas of human rights, freedoms, and so forth that are already initiating the change.

At face value, an islamist will be your friend and help those fence-sitters, so long as the islamist believes his ultimate goals are being served by his benevolent behaviour. Islamist violence is then justified as repression. This is the 'back door' -because the fence-sitters are saying - 'but these people are human beings and deserve the same due process as others'...and they would be right because we have built this benevolent system. This is being exploited the way politicians exploit public sentiment. It is working.

The gray area is where the change is taking place. Our benevolent system requires even-handed dispensation of justice. Neither pacifism nor war will be the deciding factors.

162 burst  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:03:43am

157 Florida Heat

You talk about the Constitution like it's the Koran. It can be changed with enough voices. Evolution is a strange thing because the result of small, slow steps yields a result completely unintended or unforesable.

163 burst  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:08:04am

158 Geepers

This is really a matter of which system of government is more flexible or open to change. This is what we don't know right now. How much solidarity really exists in the muslim world?

Our system is not based in religion. Theirs is.

164 minuteman  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:10:53am

#63 Zulubaby
Q. Why are so many of these professors Arabs? What is going on?

A. The main reasons are:
1) Edward Said and his Orientalism created a mind set in academia that only authentic arabs could actually have anything valid to say about the middle east. Those from the Occident are allegedly too tainted by their bias and prejudice to have any understanding of the truth. Effectively a massive affirmative action plan to destroy both intellectual and racial (really national and religious) diversity.

2) Most islamafascists can't make money or bear to run the risk that they might offfend their home dictators so they come here.

3) The arabist professoriate's extreme anti american, israeli, capitalist etc belief system matches the self loathing of the native ivory tower elite.

165 undercover_neocon  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:14:14am

Don't think that all humanities professors are the same -- we haven't all drunk the leftist kool-aid.

In fact, I've got a paper that calls out academics for dishonestly hiding behind free speech and academic freedom like Prof. Alam. Alas, though, this is all too common. My paper is called, "The Academic Betrayal of Free Speech," and you can read about it here: [Link: journals.cambridge.org...]

Forgive me this bit of shameless self-promotion. Charles Fried, Reagan's solicitor general and now emeritus professor at Harvard Law, kindly wrote this to me:

I have just come upon your excellent article in Social Philosophy and Policy.  You  and I again think along very similar lines. [You go into] lovely detail ... in demolishing these sophists

But we academic dissenters are embattled, and we do need support from outside.

166 Geepers  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:21:07am

burst (#163),

This is really a matter of which system of government is more flexible or open to change. This is what we don't know right now.

Well, it's my understanding that the koran is the word of allah, and is not open to interpretation, thus no flexibility or change is tolerated.

Do you know of any muslim groups that are promoting a reinterpretation of the koran to make it compatible with modern democracy?

167 cba  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:27:38am

burst (all your posts):
Maybe I'm a bit dense this morning, but I don't quite understand what you are suggesting is an appropriate course of action. Could you explain, please?

Thanks in advance.

168 zulubaby  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:41:03am

plaasjaapie (#160)

There was still not a co-ordinated effort, there was no terrorism, per se. Winnie "we've got matches, we've got tires" Mandela was responsible for necklacing and a few other deaths, like Stompie.

Statement made on the 13th of April 1986 by Mrs Winnie Madikizela-Mandela, and I quote: "Together with our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country."

She is so evil.

Considering what Apartheid did to the black population of South Africa, it's quite remarkable that the transition went as smoothly as it did and that is because the leaders preached peace and reconciliation, not war and revenge. The crime is bad, yes, but it's crime, not terrorism. And there will always be faction fighting in South Africa. That is a separate and different issue too.

Having said that, the ANC most certainly has its share of thugs. The fact that Winnie the Ho didn't swing from the gallows is proof enough that corruption is rife.

169 burst  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 8:28:20am

167 cba

discourse. understanding. when possible.

an argument that's a brick wall does not invite discourse. leave one hole in a brick wall and that's an invitation.

I have had discussions with students from the middle east. some were completely civil with everyday activities, but when the palestinian issue came up, all reason was abandoned [a brick wall without holes was constructed]. In another discussion, i slowly 'deconstructed' an islamic religious position that my friend was defending. At one point he politely said, 'I cannot talk about this.' I conceded.

The majority of muslims must be confused about what's happening in our world today. This is a tool.

170 burst  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 8:30:20am

166 Geepers
no. great leaders are born every day.

171 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 9:06:42am

I have been reviewing a few posts of the last hours in this thread and I see that, despite all the info that we have published here on LGF and despite all the discussions, we still give space to voices that, in the middle of a world war declared by islam against Freedom and the West, speak the Chamberlain-language of appeasement.

It's very sad to see Wormtongue speaking of change, peace and understanding when our Soldiers die every day to defend us, when our cities are threatened by infinite horrors, when the invasion (the other branch of the war) goes on and on, when Europe has already fallen in the hands of the muslim murderers.

We must not allow these traitors to use LGF as a tribune to speak.
they have already 99% of the media, the universities...

172 Alan111  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 9:15:34am

Dean Levitt seems to forget that the ANC were also called 'terrorists' by the US, who supported the apartheid South African government for years.

173 zulubaby  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 9:20:42am

Alan111, the ANC tried to be terrorists. It didn't work out for them ...

Was the ANC on a US terrorist list while the PLO wasn't?

174 Goodbye_natalie  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 10:35:52am

#90 Elcid,

LOL. I hadn't heard about that one. That has to be a candidate for a Darwin award. If he had been smarter, he would have used your suggestion using POS. SOP would have been more appropriate.

Reminds me of the joke about the organization DAM. Mothers against Dyslexia. Perhaps that was his problem.

How many more Jihad Universities does the U.S. need?

175 jrpascucci  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 3:51:37pm

From my post to MassRight

I've run across this guy too, previously, after sending him a snarky email: after a couple of exchanges, he responded by implying that Islam's goals (which he thinks is a fait accompli) are to overthrow democratic societies by willfully outpopulating them through demographic manipulations. Very uncool, I thought.

176 FloridaHeat  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 5:33:46pm
You are misreading my thoughts. I am not proposing to give up anything. I AM NOT ATTACKING. That's what the lefties complain about when they're talking about the posters at LGF.

Actually, I thought you were a noobie who was about to set us racist bigots straight about how wonderful Islam could be if we were just more tolerant.

I am suggesting that the 'sympathizers' are lodged between red staters and jihadists. They have voting rights. They have religious conviction but are not stupid enough to openly murder. They are in our educational institutions and in every trendy coffee shop across America. There will be change.

Change is the only constant. But I do not see change to accomodate Islam's intolerance and violent demands - we have been doing that out of ignorance already. Rather, the hard cold facts that reveal the brutality of Islam are overwhelming the words of propagandists who want us to buy into the "Religion of Peace" scam. As the tide of public opinion changes, I expect to see wholesale rejection of Islam.

I think it is best to understand the open system we have engendered because it is like any microsoft program...anyone can come in and modify it if they have the solidarity to do so.

I think you're confusing Windows with Unix.

Our anti-virus program can only be violence when there is a clear perpetrator. Islamists are recognizing this and adjusting their strategy accordingly.

Check the thread about CAIR. You will find that organization was active well before 9/11. THEY have yet to adjust their strategy. WE are just waking up and figuring it out.

177 burst  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:26:42pm

#176 FloridaHeat

I didn't mean 'open source' when referring to microsoft. I was referring to its targeted vulnerabilities. But I like your reference better. Linux / Unix are good analogs for the argument.

It's the silent majority of muslims who will move to one side or the other. I think that winning the hearts and minds of this very powerful world demographic is essential. The women of islam are a good start - for example Ayaan Hirsi Ali...

However, it won't happen by thoughtless absolutism and pigheadedness on the part of we 'righteous' ones [not you].

Neither will it happen by propagandizing the errors of islam - there are too many counter-arguments against every religion and culture except buddhism that contradicts its moral authority.

178 burst  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:31:00pm

#176 FloridaHeat

I have to say as well that the gravity of this war must produce enough Luthers for both sides if we are to survive it.

179 RickZ  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 11:54:33pm

# 178 burst:

I'm not sure of your point. What Reform are we in the Dar ul-Harb expected to have? I'm not sure of any non-islamic legal codes that have lasted 1400 years, immutable in their cruel mean-spirited intransigence. Are we to Reform backwards, to regress, just to make peace with islam, an islam that can never be satisfied by our efforts just because of our mere existence?

180 andrew2  Mon, Jan 3, 2005 1:50:02am

Professor Shahid Alam,

Please know that your article would in a healthy America be both allowed, which it is but also REJECTED by most, if not all free-thinking people of good will and conscious. But America is being undermined by people just like you such that we cannot hope that your deadly poison will go away, rather it can only grow and become more destructive as time goes by.

In just a few short years, the crazy views you assert have become all but mainstream in America and Europe as greater numbers of Moslems pour into Western societies to “educate” us. You and the many like you are dangerous and in a position to spread the views that you share with many in the Islamic world which has brought much destruction to so many-- that is the objective, isn't it?

You can create myths and fables as well as delusional comparisons using metaphorical language designed to compare the many Moslem mass murders to our own historical figures. But the reality is that you are a product of the culture you are promoting, you cannot be expected to see what the belief system you are stealthy spreading really is because you are not exceptional, you are in fact very typical of what one can expect from the Moslem intellectual community and that is indeed a shame. When the truth about Islam gets too hot, Islamic intellectuals and the rest cry "hate" and "Islamophobia"!

There can never be a compatible version of Islam to the West because most of Islam's adherents are not capable of genuine intellectual objectivity or rigor and prefer rather to acclimate the West to slowly accept Islam as is, not bring human rights or justice to a supremely intolerant religion.

Many Moslems leaders choose instead to create, fabricate and manipulate, apparently a cultural trait-- all with the long term objective to commandeer entire civilizations and convert all to the faith while rewriting an entirely false history. This is loathsome to contemplate and evil in practice, yet visible everywhere on the globe today wherever Moslems concentrate.

They create fantastic stories such as Moslems came with Columbus to America, or early Indian tribes were Moslem influenced or Islamic Spain was an Islamic paradise, and believe the lies.

After Arabs voluntarily evacuated Israel ahead of the advancing Islamic armies almost on the day of its founding, it took some time, but the world was eventually conditioned and made to accept the new "palestinian" people created to justify the endless violence of the Islamic jihad whose objective of course is the extermination of the Jews and the insertion of an Islamic state in the place of their historic homeland which predates Islam by thousands of years.

All the while their Arab "brothers" looked the other way rather than accept these people as refugees, war and death preferable to joining the ranks of the human race as decent equals, not imperial conquerors hell bent on world domination.

181 andrew2  Mon, Jan 3, 2005 1:51:56am

CONTINUED FROM ABOVE # 180

And the European’s think their Moslem partners in the new Euro-Arab entity known as Eurabia will long remain feigning tolerance, bored accomplices to the charade that multicultural thinkers have flim-flamed the citizens of post-Christian Europe to believe, that Moslems can emigrate to Europe and co-exist peacefully with their non-Moslem fellow citizens. Please show me evidence of where this has ever worked and don't say Al- Andalus, I'm not a dhimmi yet.

Yet, you are called a "professor" and employed by Northeastern University and Islam is unbelievably accepted as the "Religion of Peace". Adolf Hitler said it best, "The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it."

I dare ask, how does it feel to be a fraud, a charlatan whose true objective must be hidden as you go through life a dishonest operative to a fascist ideology whose world-wide acceptance defies logic, whose roots are drenched in blood and injustice and deception and whose legions have helped create a bloody world? Europe as well certainly is headed towards enslavement, starting with France, in the quest for a revival of a medieval Islamic empire. This is your great hope I would imagine.

You "Professor" Alam, should examine your conscious, but that exercise would only reinforce what you have been indoctrinated to believe, that Islam has the right to enslave (to you enlighten) and convert by force all who do not abide by its more hateful, contents.

You are again a product of your civilization, you are not the exceptional, genuinely intellectual scholar and disciple of truth and knowledge as sadly too few other Moslems are, the courageous who have demonstrated their worth by HONESTLY looking at Islam and reporting their findings.

The standard expectation that many have of Moslems is that most act in the spirit of jihad even if not engaging in acts to directly overthrow non-Moslem governments. You would agree that many would not lift a finger to prevent those deadly acts that are committed in the name of Islam almost daily.

You partially fit that category by being a deceptive agent of corruption, BUT masquerading as teacher of knowledge. There is much for you to be ashamed of here and more for us to fear.

I hope you have what is called an epiphany, as only Moslems themselves can begin to attempt to re-route Islam from the course which is bringing all the world towards the abyss

182 burst  Mon, Jan 3, 2005 2:38:36am

#179 RickZ
I am no islamophile, but i believe the codes have lasted because because of the same threats to the ummah by the keepers of the word for questioning the word or the imams' interpretations of it as the threats of any totalitarian regime.

The codes have lasted because of the isolation of those governed under islam. islam is a closed circle of obedience and persecution.

It is tremendously different now, as the keepers of the koranic word are losing control over the Word, just as the christians did after the invention of the printing press.

Less than a hundred years after the invention of the press, luther's 95 theses were nailed up.

I think it is our task and the task of those muslims living in the gray area to 'know' the word as well as the imams and begin asking questions. [i have just given myself an enourmous task]

183 burst  Mon, Jan 3, 2005 2:42:42am

#179 RickZ
Why do you believe it is immutable? The western world's brush with semiotics happened for a reason. The koran is filled with words and cross relationships just as is the bible. These are knowable.

184 RickZ  Mon, Jan 3, 2005 3:28:09am

burst,

shari'a has been around for 1400 years. Its "points of law" have not changed. Hell, even its punishments remain the same, such as stoning, beheading, etc. Shari'a has not changed, and is not allowed to change, and will never be allowed to change so long as the dogmatic killers hold sway on what is acceptable and what is not within islam. That is why the mythical moderate muslims are silent, they are afraid of the killers they have generated in their own midst. Well, too bad.

But what I asked, based upon your statement, was what we in the West are supposed to do. You stated: "[T]he gravity of this war must produce enough Luthers for both sides if we are to survive it." What are our Luther's supposed to do? How can our Luther's change their "religion"? You seem to be putting the issue and solution for this current jihadi problem equally on both islam and non-islam. Why is that? What should we have to do with their "culture's" reform, except to cull it from humanity's ranks? Islam has been at war with the US pretty much since the US' founding. Now, you want us to help reform islam, rather than kill it? What's up with that? Why do you feel islam's reform is partially our responsibility? I don't think we have enough therapists/psychiatrists to do a decent job of deprogramming muslims and defusing their anger. The islamic culture has no generic religious belief of "Thou shalt not murder." How is our fault that that belief doesn't exist, and how is it our responsibiltiy to create our own Luther's to force this change into islam? And why would islam even believe our Luther's at all, given their lengthy bigoted history when it comes to islam's interaction with other cultures? That's what I don't understand from your post.

185 FloridaHeat  Mon, Jan 3, 2005 3:52:59am

burst,

I didn't mean 'open source' when referring to microsoft. I was referring to its targeted vulnerabilities. But I like your reference better. Linux / Unix are good analogs for the argument.

They both work. Targeting vulnerabilities is different than modifying software. In the former your analogy to an opening in a brick wall works well. In the latter a hacker is actually changing the code - rewriting it - to deliver a result different from the original author's intent. Islamofacists have used vulnerabilities in our society to gain advantages that might otherwise be denied them, but they are also seeking to "rewrite" our philosophically judeo-christian based government to a sharia based theocracy that supports Islam to the exclusion of all others.

It's the silent majority of muslims who will move to one side or the other. I think that winning the hearts and minds of this very powerful world demographic is essential. The women of islam are a good start - for example Ayaan Hirsi Ali...

There's a flaw in your thinking. There is no room for debate within Islam. Hirsi Ali is an EX muslim, as is my beloved physician, my oldest daughter's best friend, and just about every other Arab I respect. (It is not the sinner we hate, but the sin.) Ex muslims, or apostates, are reviled by regular, ordinary muslims. They might overtly urge muslims to leave the faith, as FaithFreedom.org does, or they might try to simply educate Muslims that it is their faith that oppresses them, as Hirsi Ali did, but there is little hope of change WITHIN.

However, it won't happen by thoughtless absolutism and pigheadedness on the part of we 'righteous' ones [not you].

Invoking the name of God does not automatically provide a Constitutional Force Field around a philosophy.

I appreciate the personal exclusion. Its not pigheadedness nor righteousness that brings me to my position on the matter. My accountant was a close relative of Leon Klinghoffer. A cousin was killed in the attack on the Marine barracks. I saw my daughter off on a school sponsored trip and the next week the same plane, on the same route, was blown out of the sky. I stood in my yard and watched the WTC burn and fall. I could see people jumping. Some of them were neighbors and friends. I don't live in a middle eastern refugee camp. All this happened as I was living in a sleepy little NJ bedroom community.

I didn't go out searching for an enemy. They found me, and I need to know all I can about them.

Neither will it happen by propagandizing the errors of islam - there are too many counter-arguments against every religion and culture except buddhism that contradicts its moral authority.

I'm an athiest. I could care less what anyone else on earth believes or worships, until their fist reaches the tip of my nose. Islam has crossed that line in an extremely offensive way. I don't want to see this turned into a Christians and/or Jews against Islam, but it is Islam that is targeting Christians and Jews, so the clash of religions is to be expected. I'm glad that Bin Ladin came out urging people in Iraq not to vote because democracy cannot coexist with Islam. He's naming the sides correctly.

186 BabbaZee  Mon, Jan 3, 2005 4:29:35am

Subj: America and Islam - Seeking Parallels
Date: 1/3/2005 9:25:19 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: BABBAZEE
To: m.alam@neu.edu


It appears you were foolish enough to respond as follows to an e-mail sent to you regarding your article
"America and Islam - Seeking Parallels " :
[Link: www.iviews.com...]

"Why is it that the only hateful mail I have received is signed by Levitt, Hoch or Freedman? "

Levitt's mail to you and your very telling reply has been posted all over the internet and circulated to interested parties
such as myself. First of all, what Dean Levitt wrote you was not hateful - it appears to this reader that he simply did not agree with your ideas and your analogies. Nor do I.

Under Islamic law does that translate into hate, professor? Apparently so. Those who do not agree with you or others like you are at the very least vilified in Islamic nations and at the other end of the spectrum - beheaded. I don't remember that ever happening in America and I've been disagreeing with things here for quite some years...

Your article is, at best, naive in the extreme - and at worst, completely devoid of any sense of justice or morality. And it is very telling to me that you are living in America, teaching in America, and writing this article in total freedom. Try living in Saudi Arabia and criticizing the government there. Your tenure at university and on earth itself would be cut short in a hurry.

Sir, your accusation of "hateful mail" is applicable only to your reply to Levitt. Perhaps it is true that the only mail you received that dissented with your evaluation was signed by a Levitt, a Hoch or a Freedman... Now you can add a Zweifler to your list. If killing thousands of office workers, beheading "infidels" and stoning retarded teenage girls to death is "taking the middle road" for Islam in your opinion, it's no wonder you hate us. Justify your love of totalitarian brutality any way you like. It is what it is, and there will always be those of us out here who can plainly see that. You will never manage to destroy us all, by the sword or by the pen. There will always be one more Levitt or Zweifler left to contend with who will have the courage to dispute the amoral.

Why is it that most hateful acts of staggering amoral brutality are committed by Mohhameds, Osamas or Abu Musabs?


Barbara Zweifler

187 burst  Mon, Jan 3, 2005 4:09:45pm

#185 FloridaHeat


'There is no room for debate within Islam. '

Are you saying that the muslims in the US are actively seeking Sharia? [for some in Canada it seems so]. How is this proven? Can it be averted? What is your personal relationship with other muslims in America?

It is not the intellectuals, like Hirsi Ali or Alam who we must be concerned with, except as leaders of the impressionable. It is those who can be changed that must be sought.

I appreciate and respect your closeness to this issue.

i agree we must come out shooting...but only at the nihilistic psychopaths. When the time is right, I will do my duty to humanity.

you said:
'I didn't go out searching for an enemy. They found me, and I need to know all I can about them.'

We cannot kill 300 million people. What do you propose to do with those who cannot be killed because of just cause?

We all eat, we all shit, we all have sex, and the other half of us gives birth. What else do we need to know? [nuance]

188 burst  Mon, Jan 3, 2005 4:16:40pm

#185 FloridaHeat

'I could care less what anyone else on earth believes or worships...'

You should care. Emerson: no [wo]man is an island. We all need each other - except those who would kill us. This is what differentiates us from islamofascists - death vs lifestyle change.

Regardless the religious edicts we imbibe, if we don't kill each other we are free to hallucinate as we see fit.

189 FloridaHeat  Tue, Jan 4, 2005 4:21:26am

burst,

Are you saying that the muslims in the US are actively seeking Sharia? [for some in Canada it seems so]. How is this proven? Can it be averted? What is your personal relationship with other muslims in America?

If you pay attention to LGF and Dhimmiwatch, which are very good at highlighting news items on this issue, you will know that CAIR, the largest muslim association in America, has already said they want to see America turned into a Sharia state. A survey was taken in a mosque in one of America's most populous muslim areas, and 80% said they would like to see a Sharia state in America. Across the country muslims are bringing pressure on schools and municipalities to change laws to accomodate muslim desires even if they conflict with mainstream needs - and in many cases, they are succeeding.

Americans are, or I should say, have been overly sensitive to religious freedom. It is easy to turn a political message into a Commandment of God. Just slap the stamp of a Supreme Being on your beliefs and it will be recognized as a religion.

I don't know if Bush was being polite or if it was really a brilliant strategic move, but while he was telling us Islam is a Religion of Peace like Christianity and Judaism, Islam was screaming, and much more importantly showing us through acts of barbaric brutality, that it has goals of violent overthrow of the world's governments in favor of global theocracy. I would say the tide has turned in America. People sneer when they say Islam is a Religion, never mind ROP. We're not buying it any more.

My personal relationship with EX muslims and non practicing muslims in America is extensive, certainly far more than the average person.

It is not the intellectuals, like Hirsi Ali or Alam who we must be concerned with, except as leaders of the impressionable. It is those who can be changed that must be sought.

I agree. BUT, Islam punishes blasphemy, apostacy, and intrusion by non-islamic groups with at the least ostracism, and at the worst cold blooded murder - and the West is reluctant to do anything that may be percieved as an attempt to "wipe out" a religion. That makes things a bit more difficult.

The Bush Doctrine attempts to pull Islam out of the middle ages with the promise of western democracy and capitalism. Rushing aid to Indonesia with stamps of "USA" on the side attempts to win the hearts and minds of the people who will then want to be more "like" us.

Many of us look at the situation worldwide and think these efforts are too little too late, and expect the Islamic world to ignite a violent global confrontation, ie, we are in the beginning stages of WWIV.


i agree we must come out shooting...but only at the nihilistic psychopaths. When the time is right, I will do my duty to humanity.

Would that it could be so. There were a lot of good men standing in the ranks of the Nazis and the Japanese army. Not psychopaths, just regular ordinary men from all walks of life who were convinced to kill for their country. We had to shoot through a sea of sons and brothers and fathers to get to the psychopaths who led them.

Of course, the logical thing to do is for a country, or in this case Islam, to take care of their own psychopaths and save the good men to build a better society. Instead, we see clerics and arab governments working their people into a frenzy of hate and aiming them towards us.

We cannot kill 300 million people. What do you propose to do with those who cannot be killed because of just cause?

We have the ability to kill 300 million people in the time it took you to read this post. The question is, how far will we allow them to go before they bring us to that point?

190 FloridaHeat  Tue, Jan 4, 2005 4:35:58am

burst,

the full quote is

I could care less what anyone else on earth believes or worships, until their fist reaches the tip of my nose.

There's an old saying: Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose.

In other words, you have the right to do whatever you like as long as it does not hurt anyone else. If it does, then the rights of those you would victimize supercede any right you have to practice your beliefs.

191 burst  Tue, Jan 4, 2005 5:52:06am

#190 FloridaHeat

Thanks for your direct discussion and candor.

You are a fatalist, a realist? You seem to be a hunter waiting in the blind until your target comes into range.

'Hurt' means many things to many people. Your argument is a socio-political stalemate, used by both the Israelis and Palestinians...'you hit me first!' Look! See what they did? We get to kill them now. It will not end.

You being an atheist probably means that while looking through your hunter's scope, you merely ponder which target and not 'why'. It is good for you that there is no doubt. This makes for efficient living.

What is your motto now that 'god' is no longer in 'for god and country'? Do you fight for yourself? Your family? For blue states or red states? For all the children of the world? You would advocate the destruction of many to preserve a 20 person extended family?

I have doubt but will defend myself as necessary. However preemptive destruction sows mistrust even among friends, delivering us back to the dark ages. I think though that our relationship with the middle east is as balanced as it can be...tough love, you know.

good luck and aim with mercy

192 FloridaHeat  Tue, Jan 4, 2005 12:35:16pm

lol, burst. At first I thought you were a teen, but you are far too sententious. Perhaps an academic?

193 burst  Tue, Jan 4, 2005 2:58:07pm

192 FloridaHeat

no doubt

194 T_IT_UP  Wed, Jan 5, 2005 6:16:38am

#171 Poitiers-Lepanto:

Just a note of appreciation posted to you for putting the trolls & ostrich-pacificists on notice.

Your direct efficient eloquence is a pleasure for me to read; and hopefully a wake-up call to those not terminally comatose.

195 T_IT_UP  Wed, Jan 5, 2005 6:28:23am

#185 FloridaHeat:

Duck, run, or fight back...the fuslim fist has a bead drawn on your proboscis. (8^/)

P.S. Fuslim fascists hate athiests, too--to them you're just another infidel destined for death or dhimmitude. (;+(]


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