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Sun, Jan 2, 2005 at 8:04:18 am PST

It’s taken years, but more people are finally beginning to see through CAIR’s moderate facade; Daniel Pipes reports that the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) has been named as a defendant in a class action lawsuit stemming from the terror attacks of 9/11: CAIR Named as a Defendant in 9/11 Terror Lawsuit.

86. Council on American Islamic Relations and CAIR Canada (collectively, CAIR), have aided, abetted, and materially sponsored and al Qaeda and international terrorism. CAIR is an outgrowth of the Hamas front group the Islamic Association of Palestine. The FBI’s former associate director in charge of Investigative and Counter-Intelligence Operations described the Islamic Association of Palestine as an organization that has directly supported Hamas military goals and is a front organization for Hamas that engages in propaganda for Islamic militants. It has produced videotapes that are very hate-filled, full of vehement propaganda. It is an organization that has supported direct confrontation.

87. CAIR and CAIR-Canada have, since their inception, been part of the criminal conspiracy of radical Islamic terrorism. These organizations play a unique role in the terrorist network. They emanate from the notorious HAMAS terrorist organization and like so many of the terrorism facilitating charities named and indicted by the United States government they are engaged in fund raising under the guise of assisting humanitarian causes they are, in reality, a key player in international terrorism. The unique role played by CAIR and CAIR-Canada is to manipulate the legal systems of the United States and Canada in a manner that allows them to silence critics, analysts, commentators, media organizations, and government officials by leveling false charges of discrimination, libel, slander and defamation. In addition, both organizations have actively sought to hamper governmental anti-terrorism efforts by direct propaganda activities aimed at police, first-responders, and intelligence agencies through so-called sensitivity training. Their goal is to create as much self-doubt, hesitation, fear of name-calling, and litigation within police departments and intelligence agencies as possible so as to render such authorities ineffective in pursuing international and domestic terrorist entities.

88. The role of CAIR and CAIR-Canada is to wage PSYOPS (psychological warfare) and disinformation activities on behalf of Whabbi-based [Wahhabi-based, DP] Islamic terrorists throughout North America. They are the intellectual “shock troops” of Islamic terrorism. In the years and months leading up to the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001 these organizations were very effective in helping to ensure that North American law enforcement and intelligence officials were sufficiently deaf, dumb, and blind to help pave the way for the attacks on the United States. The role played by these entities is an absolutely essential part of the mix of forces arrayed against the United States as they help soften-up targeted countries so as to facilitate and enhance the likelihood for a successful attack.

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1 realwest  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:07:16am

Yeah! Go get those slimy you-know whats!

2 Thom  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:08:49am
The unique role played by CAIR and CAIR-Canada is to manipulate the legal systems of the United States and Canada in a manner that allows them to silence critics, analysts, commentators, media organizations, and government officials by leveling false charges of discrimination, libel, slander and defamation.

They have CAIR's number.

(OTOH, doesn't this sound a bit like Gordon during the last election?)

3 Barbara Skolaut  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:10:24am

'Bout goddam time!

They take advantage of our laws to try to take over and destroy our country - I'm glad to see us taking advantage of our laws to bankrupt the bastards.

4 realwest  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:11:10am

Holy cow, I made #1! Me! Seriously, the mere existence of this lawsuit is going to make CAIR and CAIR-Cananda more circumspect and, one hopes, less active. Too bad it's going to take years for this to be resolved; until then, they can expect to be under a microscope from those second most dangerous people on earth: lawyers! (the first, of course, being our Armed Forces).

5 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:11:17am

'bout damn time. If law enforcement authorities are too timid to do it, let the tort lawyers have at them.

6 J.D.  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:12:32am

All the best to Judge Richard C. Casey.

I read everything I could find about John O'Neill after 9/11.
Very interesting character, he was.
And frustrated. Rightly so.

7 Becket Saunders  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:14:11am

A small step. Sucess or failure-this can serve as instruction for future work.

Lead a moving target. Multiple rounds.

8 BenZacharia  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:15:34am

Yahoo! Let the videos commence!

9 manker  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:15:54am

Are their any Islamic charities or organizations that haven't been connected to terrorism or fundementalism in the recent times.

10 Luigi  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:15:57am

I've never heard a more accurate description of CAIR than in the wording of this lawsuit. They have CAIR's number, and they have them nailed.

Let us not forget that this news item comes via Daniel Pipes' website -- and not CNN, NY Times or even Fox. I suspect nobody has the guts to touch this. Thank God for LGF! By the end of today about fifty thousand people will know about about this.

11 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:16:51am

Wow, I couldn't have said it better than the legalese does. Maybe this is the beginning of the end for CAIR. It's about time.

When all else fails, sue 'em.

12 Blackacre  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:18:46am

Discovery.

13 RBMN  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:19:28am

CAIR is a negative force because, at best, they're another soft-on-terrorists blame-America-first group...like we need more of those. Contempt for CAIR has least of all to do with where their parents came from, or how they pray.

14 Gabba Gabba Hey  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:20:13am

Please let this be an indication of what's in-store in 2005 and beyond for organizations like CAIR *spit*

15 SoCalJustice  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:20:16am

Very happy about the inclusion of CAIR in this lawsuit, if only because they'll have to spend time, energy and money (it will cut into their Ramadan fundraiser) defending their lying selves.

86. Council on American Islamic Relations and CAIR Canada (collectively, CAIR), have aided, abetted, and materially sponsored and al Qaeda and international terrorism.

But a little proofreading on these lawyers' part wouldn't hurt.

16 bp sf  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:21:53am

Excellent start.

17 Geepers  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:22:06am

CAIR Chairman Omar M. Ahmad told a crowd of California Muslims in July 1998, "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran [...] should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth"

CAIR's founder, Nihad Awad, declared in a 1994 meeting at Barry University that he was "a supporter of the Hamas movement."

Shortly after the 9/11 attacks, CAIR's website solicited donations for the “NY/DC Emergency Relief Fund." This fund did not exist; instead, the link in question led directly to the website for donations to the HLF, a charity whose assets were later frozen by the US Treasury department because, according to Secretary Paul O'Neill "HLF “masquerade(d) as a charity, while its primary purpose (was) to fund Hamas.”

CAIR board member Imam Siraj Wahaj, an un-indicted co-conspirator in the first World Trade Center bombing, has called for replacing the American government with an Islamic caliphate, and warned that America will crumble unless it accepts Islam.

18 trigger girlie  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:24:14am

RBMN, CAIR is not SOFT on terrorism, they SUPPORT it.

19 Powderfinger  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:24:44am

It's fitting that this suit go forward under John O'Neill's name.

He got it. If only his warnings had been heeded...

20 Powderfinger  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:27:59am

#17 Geepers

Let's not forget CAIR's Director of Communications, Ibrahim Hooper:

"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future...But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education."

Gee, thanks.

21 molokai_man  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:29:59am

This is way overdue. How can we get the best legal minds in the country to assist in the prosectution and dismantling of this hateful group, and the subsequent imprisonment of it's leaders?

I would be putting a stop order on all of their passports, that's fer damn sure

22 Spiritualized  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:31:01am

Here are some web archives of cair-net.org:

Wayback Machine - cair-net.org

I'm having a look through to see if I can spot any tacit or open support of terrorism. Apparently prior to 9/11 they weren't quite as PC.

23 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:35:53am

#17 Geepers
Could you provide links to the parent document or article.
I am involved with several family members that are just now becoming aware of the islamic issue. Fortunately when I showed my father the LGF site, the first thing he picked up on was the willingness to link back to where the info came from.
Bad thing is, now he wants to backtrack everything for accuracy prior to taking it onboard as fact. (maybe that's really not such a bad thing)
Thanks in advance

24 Spiritualized  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:36:11am

Geepers

Shortly after the 9/11 attacks, CAIR's website solicited donations for the “NY/DC Emergency Relief Fund." This fund did not exist; instead, the link in question led directly to the website for donations to the HLF

Indeed it did! September 17, 2001 archive of CAIR's page, you can see the link about 3/4 down on the right-hand side. The link is broken but it points to HLF.org if you hover your mouse over it.

25 jlfintx  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:37:25am

Just more of the same. When will we get it that this is NOT a religion of peace and is bent on conquest? What does it take for this country to WAKE UP?

Us or them.

26 Ben B  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:39:25am

Islam is a pathogenic meme; it's good that this is at last being recognized.

27 christheprofessor  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:42:29am

#5 Spiny Norman

If law enforcement authorities are too timid to do it, let the tort lawyers have at them.

That's the first good argument I've heard against tort reform...

28 Austin Conservative  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:43:13am

Those Islamoassholes have done it now. We've unleashed the sleeping American litigation giant.

Ahmed won't know what to think when he gets his summons.

29 SoCalJustice  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:43:38am

It's been a tough week for CAIR.

First, their terror supporting Imam respected scholar friend Wagdy Ghoneim agreed to be deported for overstaying his visa:

Ghoneim’s agreement to leave the country comes a day after Southern California Muslims met with Rep. Christopher Cox, R-Newport Beach , to protest his detention.

About two dozen Muslims presented a petition with more than 1,000 signatures to Cox, urging him to investigate the arrest of a man described by local Islamic leaders as a respected scholar.

Ghoneim, a native of Egypt , arrived in Detroit in 2001 on a visitor's visa. He was later authorized to remain in the United States on a visa for religious workers until June 20, 2004 , according to documents provided to his attorney by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

His attorney has said that Ghoneim applied for an extension of his visa and was awaiting word when federal agents arrested him.

After the hearing, Hussam Ayloush, executive director of CAIR, criticized the government's aggressive pursuit of the imam, according to the LA Times.

Ghoneim's case is part of a disturbing trend, which Ayloush described as “the selective application of laws on Muslims, especially on minor violations; the targeting of Muslim travellers at airports; the revoking of visas of Muslim visitors coming to the United States .”

Which is interesting, because if Wagdy is a respected scholar, then CAIR is going to continue to have similar problems:

In Arabic, Wagdy Ghoneim, a militant Islamic cleric from Egypt, mesmerized the members of his audience, with his relentless tirade against the Jews, reminding them of the Jews' "infidelity", "stealth" and "deceit". Known for his folksy deliveries and exhortations to commit violence against the Jews, Ghuneim did not disappoint his crowd, several of whom had come to hear just him. The conflict with the Jews, he said, was not over land but one of religion.

Nie - a respected scholar, indeed. And he said that at an event sponsored by CAIR.

And more from CAIRbot Ayloush:

"There's a high level of fear," said Hussam Ayloush, executive director of the Anaheim-based Southern California chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

"Most of the calls I've been getting have been asking, 'Shall we start packing up? Are we next?' "

If you raise money for terrorists and incite racial/religious violence, then yes.

30 TenRing  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:44:39am

OOH-RAH!

Not that I believe the lawyers are in it for anything but the bucks...

31 Geepers  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:45:02am

Village Idiot's Apprentice (#23)

Here ya go:

Council on American-Islamic Relations

Complete with references.

32 alegrias  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:45:59am

Not surprisingly Djimmi media such as the Washington Post continue to portray CAIR as a legitimate stakeholder and participant in a democracy.

On a tsunami thread I noted the WaPost had a sympathetic article this past week with pictures about a CAIR employee trying to set up a new "charity" to help fellow Sri Lankans in his home town.

This CAIR executive director from liberal Maryland no doubt lobbies in Washington to obscure islamofascism's true intentions but gets elevated to victimhood by the Post.

And off topic but what are islamofascists doing about the tsunami victims? Haven't seen much coverage of that angle.

33 Geepers  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:50:32am

Spiritualized (#24),

I thought that was a completely despicable, yet typical, example of their willingness to lie to further their agenda.

34 SoCalJustice  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:50:53am

(#32) alegrias

By any chance do you have a link for that article?

Thanks.

35 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:52:51am

Geepers
Thanks again. LGF is amazing, Charles provides the basic subject matter, but the beauty of the site is the real meat is provided by the posters.
I need to work on my own research skills as well.
Just so much to learn, and L3's don't really take kindly to facts when you talk to them, really screws with their whole paradigm.

36 alegrias  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:54:42am

#34 So Cal

Don't know how to link to article but CAIR guy's name was Mowlana, article was on front page of Metro section of Tuesday WaPo 12/28 I think...

37 Orbit Rain  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:54:50am

Yes, CAIR is an enemy...they should be removed.

38 Geepers  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:54:51am

alegrias (#32)

Not surprisingly Djimmi media such as the Washington Post continue to portray CAIR as a legitimate stakeholder and participant in a democracy.

Yup.

And if you ever needed proof of the ACLU true anti-Christian intentions:

The Ohio chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has given its annual Liberty Flame Award "for contributions to the advancement and protection of civil liberties" to CAIR.
39 christheprofessor  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:58:26am

#38 Geepers

Saw this on another LGF thread (no idea who posted it, could have been you!): Bumper sticker:

ACLU -- Jihad with a Law Degree
40 Beagle  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:59:58am

#29 SoCalJustice

Jews' "infidelity", "stealth" and "deceit".


Stealth Jews...


Band name?


CAIR is the litigation wing of the Islamic jihad. They try to soften our legal system, government, educational system, and media. So far it worked.

The NYT and WaPo continue to soft-pedal CAIR propaganda whenever one of the 'moderate' Imams expert in taqiyya has something to write for the paper.

41 SoCalJustice  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:00:19am

(#36) alegrias

Thanks for the info. Now that I think about it, I remember that story:

• Asia Relief

The Maryland-based nonprofit organization is accepting donations of cash, nonperishable food, clothing and toys for victims in Sri Lanka.

Donations should be dropped off at or mailed to Asia Relief, 19409 Olive Tree Way, Gaithersburg, Md. 20879.

Contact Rizwan Mowlana at xxx-xxx-xxx for more information.

He would be the very wrong guy to call for aid relief.

Hoping and Helping

When he first heard about the deadly tsunami in his homeland, Rizwan Mowlana called Sri Lanka but couldn't get through. Finally, the phone at his Gaithersburg home started jingling yesterday with news of his relatives.

A cousin and his family, including a 3-month-old child, were playing on the beach. Gone.

[...]

"My neighbors and everyone have been calling me, saying, 'What can we do?' " said Mowlana, who is executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations office in Maryland. "I said, 'Okay, we'll set up a 40-foot container, gather food and clothes and toys for the children. That's what they need to start the healing process.' "

I feel bad for his loss, but he's just the wrong person to funnel money through.

42 J.D.  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:01:02am

Another one of the CAIR-sponsored events that was held here got a favorable write-up today by a journalism professor at the theological college down the road.
Meeting Muslim neighbors dispels unfounded fear

43 Elcid  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:04:05am

LIES, LIES we at c.a.i.r say..all stemming from the racist's in the U.S. and the Zionist's...

Paging John Edwards, paging Mr. John Edwards.

Do your hair, sir and get into court.

44 Lady Redhawk  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:06:24am

To all of our LGF attorneys:

If this lawsuit can be won in civil court, do you think it will provide the impetus for the feds to go after these bastards? And if so, what could they be charged with? Do we have existing federal law to cover this?

45 Geepers  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:10:23am

Village Idiot's Apprentice,

My pleasure.

You said it. LGFers teach me something everyday.

46 realwest  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:11:04am

#15 SoCalJustice picky, picky picky. Sheesh at least they're on CAIR'S ass now.
#22 Spiritualized - GO FOR IT and don't forget to report back.
#30 TenRing boy are you a cynic! But even if you're right, at least their in it for CAIRS' bucks!

47 Zakistan  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:17:45am

"The unique role played by CAIR and CAIR-Canada is to manipulate the legal systems of the United States and Canada in a manner that allows them to silence critics, analysts, commentators, media organizations, and government officials by leveling false charges of discrimination, libel, slander and defamation."

Exactly! And CAIR will once again cry foul over this very class action law suit as yet another example of "Islamaphobia."

48 SoCalJustice  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:18:42am

(#46) realwest

picky, picky picky.

I know - especially since my own proofreading skills often leave a lot to be desired.

49 realwest  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:20:21am

#44 Lady Redhawk - of all the lawyers on LGF, you get me first! I'm NOT a litigation attorney, but a transactional (mostly real estate and finance) attorney so I can't give you answers to your questions.
It does seem, however, that if the plaintiff makes out a prima facie case, they should be able to get all of CAIR AND CAIR CANDADA'S funds frozen (to be sure the money will be there if and when the plaintiff wins.) I'm not sure if a victory in a civil suit can lead to a criminal indictment; depends on what comes out of the civil suit in what CAIR has actually done.
Wish I could be of more help!

50 SoCalJustice  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:23:01am

(#44) Lady Redhawk

The federal gov't already have gone after some CAIR officials:

former CAIR employee Randall “Ismail” Royer was sentenced to 20 years in prison last April for “participation in a network of militant jihadists centered in Northern Virginia,” according to the Department of Justice. And Ghasan Elashi, the founding board member of CAIR’s Texas chapter, was convicted of violating the Libyan Sanctions Regulations in July 2004 and has also been indicted for providing material support to Hamas.

Royer was still working for CAIR at the time of his arrest.

51 Lady Redhawk  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:26:36am

#49 realwest
Freezing their accounts wasn't exactly the punishment I had in mind - I was envisioning firing squads. Are the people who run CAIR American citizens?

52 Lady Redhawk  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:29:02am

#50 SoCalJustice

Do you know if Royer and Elashi are actually in prison? If so, it's a darn good start! Three cheers for the feds!

53 TenRing  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:31:13am

Lizardiods - I'm trying my best to bring one person in my family up to speed on the Islamofascist threat but not only is he reluctant to actually do any personal research, but also he is dyslexic (probably the reason for the reluctance to use the net as a resource) and, moreover, a product of our stinkin' scholastic system. Literally, he doesn't know *how* to work his way through anything more than a superficial argument.

Is there a 'Dick and Jane' summary of what we're facing somewhere? I'm not after cartoons or illustrations, mind you, just a very, very simple summation of the enemy we face. One that doesn't come off as intimidating or 'wordy'. I'm hoping for bullet points of Islamic aggression on a timeline from the beginning of it all to the present.

Fingers crossed...

54 Beagle  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:33:45am

#53 TenRing

Is there a 'Dick and Jane' summary of what we're facing somewhere?


Start with shari'a. Good luck.

55 realwest  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:34:37am

#42 J.D. you should (seriously) send him this quote:

, "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran [...] should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth"
Copied and pasted from Geepers #17 above. The next day (give 'em time to digest that) send them "Council on American-Islamic Relations" (also hat tip to Geepers at #31.
Now I'm moving on to another thread, there's a little bit too much vituperativeness towards lawyers showing up on this thread right now and I refuse to become collateral damage!

56 Geepers  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:35:07am

J.D. (#42),

Talk about your pieces of crap.

His goal of learning and understand was the end of his quest. He did not impart one once of information about muslims or their community or their goals or desires.

But he is no longer "afraid" of "Middle-Eastern-looking men doing scary things with automatic weapons and explosives."

Isn't that special?

57 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:39:14am
58 reader  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:39:23am

TenRing #53

"A Christian's Pocket Guide to Islam" by Patrick Sookhdeo, would be my choice for a good introductory book. Its only 96 pgs. Sookhdeo is a real scholar, and heads the Barnabus Fund, an organization dedicted to protecting the dhimmi.

If you need other suggestions, I can list more titles.

59 SoCalJustice  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:40:55am

(#52) Lady Redhawk

Do you know if Royer and Elashi are actually in prison?

Yes and No. Royer is, but Elashi is free on bond, awaiting sentencing (pdf).

Daniel Pipes keeps a thread devoted to CAIR's Legal Tribulations, which covers both criminal and civil actions against (and/or launched by) them. It has most, but not all, info related to the topic.

He hasn't updated this last lawsuit to this page just yet, but I suspect he will when he gets a chance.

60 realwest  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:41:01am

#57 ploome hineni ONLY TEN YEARS?! WTF?

61 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:42:04am

John O'Neill. Great American. Wow. Saved the country from Kerry and now this. Just inspirational what one person can do.

62 Lady Redhawk  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:48:49am

#59 SoCalJustice

Thanks so much, I'll keep an eye on Pipes' site for updates.

#55 realwest

{{{hugs for our lawyer lizards!}}}

63 TenRing  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:48:56am

#58 Reader

Thank you.

And, yes, more titles or links please. He's virulently agnostic and I'm afraid anything with "Christian" in the title will be interpreted and dismissed as de facto religious bias & propaganda.

64 SoCalJustice  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:49:48am

(#61) Crimsonfisted

This is a different John O'Neill.

65 reader  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:50:31am

TenRing #53,

Another one, not too thick, and has some history, is:

The Sword of the Prophet: A Politically-Incorrect Guide to Islam (2003) by Serge Trifkovic

66 TenRing  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:52:22am

#65 Reader

That sounds like just the ticket. Mille Grazie.

67 J.D.  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:59:17am

#55 realwest
I have done such things in the past
:-)
but recently, I have had my hands full fighting other battles. And the newspaper hates me already, which is as it should be because I'm in good company!
I'm not real popular with the ambulance-chasing lawyers, either, but that's not news around here. I do get tired of them.
I know the difference. No need to run off!
And I'm really glad you're so much better.

#56 Geepers
It goes on all the time! 'Our' paper is a moonbat forum. Oh, but they are such sophisticates!
Gag!

68 John B  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 7:59:48am

This is a nice surprise to start the new year. I only hope the spotlight will be turned on CAIR and watch the vermin scurry for cover.

69 CC Señor  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 8:05:07am

Too bad we don't have HUAC to kick around anymore. Lord knows CAIR has to rank up there with the commies, KKK, and (dare I say it: yes! yes!) the Naziz.

70 LSD  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 8:05:38am
71 Pennies for Patriots  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 8:05:57am

Finally a ray of sunshine has been cast upon "Mount Doom".


If anyone is paying attention...

Go visit Cair Maryland's website and notice the donation link.
It bounces you to a secure https connection on a server at softcom.ca which is located in Toronto. On the Cair page they say they are raising money for the eastern seaboard states.

Why are they using a server in Canada to raise money for the eastern seaboard states?

72 TenRing  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 8:06:25am

#65 Reader

I just ordered it from Amazon.com. And I copied the rebuttal-review on the page as well, as rufutation in advance.

Once again, LGF delivers.

73 reader  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 8:06:56am

Islam and Terrorism: What the Quran Really Teaches About Christianity, Violence and the Goals of the Islamic Jihad (2002) by Mark Gabriel
[author is a former professor of Islamic studies]


--> Just to point this out, its hard finding books on Islam whose authors are not Christian or Jewish or Hindu. If he has a problem with that, as well, then I'll really have to start digging. I've spent considerable time trying to locate titles on Islam. Also, when you're talking about Islam, you can't really separate it from these other religions, as that is how it both defines itself and how its history, in its conflicts, aggression and opposition against them, has transpired. I know you know all that, but he may not realize that, and why so many books come from this perspective. Ibn Warraq, the world's leading Muslim apostate, is secularist agnostic, and has written and edited a number of books. "Why I Am Not a Muslim" would be the one I'd recommend, though its not exactly an intro on Islam.

As for any introductory book on sharia for the masses, I've not seen one.

74 gymnast  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 8:12:47am

Loose the hounds of hell upon them. The sound of barking doesn't bother the neighborhood if the dogs are doing good work.

75 Keelie  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 8:14:50am

Now let's see how the Canadian media (CBC, Toronto Star, et al) deal with this.

76 SoCalJustice  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 8:19:59am

The Tampa Tribune just published a list called Tampa Bay's 25 People To Watch - which they obviously mean to be complimentary, yet it includes this profile:

AHMED BEDIER

If it involves Hillsborough County's Muslim community, Bedier probably will be on the front lines. The director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations office in Tampa spoke out on a University of South Florida basketball player's right to wear Muslim attire on the court and asked the Hillsborough County school board to recognize Islamic holidays. The media frequently tap Bedier, 30, for views on the backlash against the Islamic community stemming from the Sept. 11 attacks.

Indeed, people should be watching Ahmed. Not because he is on the "front lines" of Hillsborough County's Muslim community, but because he chose to do so under the auspices of CAIR.

77 LSD  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 8:30:07am

#76

He's being watched, and marginalized by the people.

His big moment of "helping" the south florida basketball player was squashed when she REVERTED BACK TO CHRISTIANITY!

78 LSD  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 8:33:05am
79 Abu Maven  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 8:40:46am

Earlier on LFG, we learned that CAIR was being investigated by Congressional subcommittees and "the federal government." A statement by Senator Arizona Senator Jon Kyl:

On Oct. 14, I will chair a hearing through the Subcommittee on Terrorism and Homeland Security that will analyze the procedures used by the military and prison system to recruit Muslims, particularly focusing on the cleric program. We will also examine whether the instances of Wahhabi infiltration at key U.S. institutions may be part of a larger pattern. We hope to hear from government witnesses on steps they are taking to confront these challenges.

In response to our Senate inquiry, groups such as the Saudi-backed Center for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) (whose terror-related activities are being scrutinized by my subcommittee as well as the federal government) have been quick to accuse investigators of Muslim bias. Yet three of CAIR's top leaders were arrested this year on terror-related charges. CAIR declined an invitation to appear before my subcommittee to answer questions.

[Link: www.littlegreenfootballs.com...]

80 composmentis  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 8:43:08am

My first "bad" of the year...
WHO CAIRS?

Now that we have activist legal professionals pursuing them,
they will last about as long as Johns Manville.

81 Abu Maven  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 8:43:44am

As I mentioned in an earlier thread, Judge Casey is a tough, non-nonsense S.O.B. He is blind and uses a dog to help him move around. But he doesn't take sh*t from anyone. I think it's very good for us that Casey was assigned.

82 PBSi  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 8:48:58am

Fantastic! About damn time.

83 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 9:07:02am
84 [Engineer]  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 9:24:03am

#73 reader

A very good book is Reliance of the Traveller: The Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law Umdat Al-Salik

Written in both Arabic and English, it sets out the law of the Koran, but much more understandable. Here is what the publisher says about it:

The new edition of the in-depth manual of Islamic law based on the Shafi'i school of thought, with a detalied index and commentary on specific rulings. 1,200 pages in an exceptional binding with Arabic and facing English text in two column format with occasional diagrams. 'Umdat al-Salik wa 'Uddat al-Nasik (Reliance of the Traveller and tools of the Worshipper) is a classic manual of fiqh. It represents the fiqh rulings according to the Shafi'I school of jurisprudence. The appendices form an integral part of the book and present original texts and translations from classic works by prominent scholars such as al-Ghazali, Ibn Qudamah, al-Nawawi, al-Qurturbi, al-Dhahabi, Ibn Hajar and other, on topics of Islamic law, faith, spirituality, Qur'anic exegesis and Hadith sciences. It has also biographical notes about every person mentioned (391 biographies) , bibliography of each work cited (136 works), and a detailed subject index (95 pages). Of the 136 works drawn upon in its commentary and appendices, 134 are in the original Arabic. The sections and paragraphs have been numbered to facilitate cross-reference.

You can get it from Amazon Reading the reviews on the bottom of the page is worthwhile.

85 meeps  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 9:33:09am

CAIR -- use RICO. (?)

86 rayw  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 9:38:48am

#84 Engineer

Did you read the review that discusses Islam's view of lying and slander? Their law sounds like it was written by a junior high kid!

87 Irene NYC  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 9:40:45am

Eventually, when it finally gets down to the wire, the Justice Dept. will probably find that the most efficient way to get rid of Islamofascists is the same way that they got rid of former Nazi fascists, i.e., they prosecuted them based on omissions and inaccuracies stated in their U.S. immigration papers. Not only is this NOT tied to the Patriot Act (thereby mitigating lll hysteria), there is no statute of limitations.

88 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 9:50:43am
89 exredtory  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 9:53:16am

It's long overdue. Here's an anecdote: A few years ago, (well before 9/11) the newspaper I work for ran a syndicated editorial cartoon (by Vancouver's Ingrid Rice, who has a very sharp pen) commenting on Islamist massacres in Algeria during Ramadan. It showed a couple of average folks sitting on a bench, one reading a newspaper, saying quizzically to the other something to the effect (I can't recall the exact words) "Why is it the Muslims always seem to celebrate Ramadan with mass murders?"
Well, we had a visit. I came in to work, and I and one of the other editors who happened to be handy, and who had been working the day of publication, were haled into a meeting room by our managing editor for a little meeting with one Shahina Siddiqi, a leading light of CAIR-Canada (along with her male escort, of course).
It was not a meeting to defend editorial freedom. The managing editor made it clear we were to sit there, hear the grievances of "the Muslim community" and be contrite. We were lectured by Siddiqi on how the cartoon was offensive to Muslims, untruthful, hurtful and so on.
Any attempt I made to open my mouth and say anything about "fair comment" was cut off by the ME. There was to be no defence, just this little bullshit "sensitivity" session. Siddiqi presumed our complete ignorance of Islam, but as a person of faith, I actually knew a thing or two about Islam, and militant Islam, among other things having seen the documentary "Sword of Islam." But any attempt to actually discuss the issues, was cut off by the ME. He just wanted us to nod our heads and take our lumps, so he could get the hell out of there.
Siddiqi presented us with a few brochures along the lines of "The Truth About Islam" and afterwards, she and I had a nice little chat about being people of faith. I said as a Christian I had made it my duty to have read the entire Bible and would welcome the opportunity to explore the Qu'ran, whereupon she presented me with a very nice copy of it, for which I thanked her (she cautioned me about the problems of reading a translation). And I have read parts of it.
But the whole session was an insult and humiliation in the name of political correctness. The boss just wanted to do some token grovelling and get it over with. (He has long since been "moved on.")
Now it also happens we have a Jewish colleague, an ardent supporter of Israel, who is *very* up on the issues, and who knows all about CAIR, who happened not to be at work that day (in fact, I wonder if the meeting was scheduled intentionally for his day off). I still wish he had been there, because he would have been so far down her throat, there's no way the ME could have stopped him for calling "bullshit" on CAIR. He wishes he had been there, too.
Shahina Siddiqi's name pops up in the letters to the editor and op-ed pages from time to time, whenever some "insult" to Islam has been perpetrated.
I haven't seen as much from her lately, though. Maybe because CAIR is more and more being exposed, and more and more people are calling "bullshit" - maybe even a few journalists.

90 [Engineer]  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 9:55:04am

#86 rayw

Did you read the review that discusses Islam's view of lying and slander? Their law sounds like it was written by a junior high kid!

Sure did and, of course, I have the book. It is very interesting in that it is their law book and doesn't sugar coat anything. I am sure that they really don't like us infidels having this book. I just wish I had a digital copy so I could search it.

91 rayw  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 9:55:56am

#57 ploome hineni
only 7 children?

Only one wife?

92 SoCalJustice  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 10:01:26am

(#89) exredtory

Shahina Siddiqi's name pops up in the letters to the editor and op-ed pages from time to time, whenever some "insult" to Islam has been perpetrated.
I haven't seen as much from her lately, though. Maybe because CAIR is more and more being exposed, and more and more people are calling "bullshit" - maybe even a few journalists.

I think it might be because Sheema Khan and Riad Saloojee have taken over as Chief CAIR-CAN intimidators.

93 alegrias  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 10:05:25am

Have I missed the LLL uproar over islamofascists saying voting and democracy are un-islamic and that anyone who votes is an infidel?

UBL's pronouncements sum up the argument for ridding democracies of Wahhabi islamofascists and the organizations they fund (CAIR).

94 RickZ  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 10:05:43am

# 57 ploome hineni:

only 7 children

# 91 rayw:

Only one wife?

Busy little beaver.

95 Joseph  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 10:07:03am

78:

My introduction into Islam was through my acquaintance with a friendly Muslim family consisting of five children with whom I quickly bonded. They took me into their family. This seemed to fill that void in my life that I was missing. I was spending numerous hours in their home, playing with the children, eating home-cooked meals, and, of course, slowly getting indoctrinated into Islam.

Who knows how many others are currently in the same situation?

96 rayw  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 10:11:54am

#42 J.D.
Meeting Muslim neighbors dispels unfounded fears

I emailed this guy, and attempted to alert him to the danger of his

neighbors

Anyone else want to join me?

mlonginow@asbury.edu

97 mardukhai  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 10:23:25am


FINALLY! I have always said, use civil law against terrorists!

I was the first to do it -- in 1968-1969 -- and it was highly successful. The bastards (a famous gang of violent campus radicals) were forced to shut down.

I would like to do something similar again, but need the help of a California attorney.

I know how to do it. I've done it before -- The law is slamdunk. And this time, there is serious RICO involvement, which means that the attorney can get his bills paid.

Please email me at williamscottadler@hotmail.com

98 SoCalJustice  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 10:56:42am

(#97) mardukhai

Here's a webpage with the legal teams pursuing this case, and other related cases.

And here are the email addresses of the lawyers involved:

James Kreindler and Justin Green of Kreindler & Kreindler LLP:
Jkreindler@kreindler.com
Jgreen@kreindler.com

Ron Motley of Motley Rice LLC:
rmotley@motleyrice.com

Paul Hanly of Hanly Conroy Bierstein & Sheridan LLP:
phanly@hanlyconroy.com

Sean Carter and Eliott Feldman Cozen O'Connor:
scarter@cozen.com
efeldman@cozen.com

None of them are in California, but they can probably recommend someone out there might be interested.

Cozen O'Connor has a Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Francisco office.

You might want to email Carter or Feldman and ask them what they think.

99 reader  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 11:15:45am

Ploome #83,

Yes, that's him.

Engineer #84,

Thanks. That is the one book everyone should read, the most authoritative source for Muslims, even though its nearly 1,300 pages.

Here are a few more on sharia and sharia for non-Muslims:

A History of Islamic Legal Treaties (1999) Wael Hallaq

Introduction to Islamic Theology and Law (1981)

Islam and Human Rights: Traditions and Politics (1998)
Ann Elizabeth Meyer

The Islamic Law Pertaining to Non-Muslims
by Sheikh ‘Abdulla Mustafa Muraghi

Islamic Modern: Religious Courts and Cultural Politics in
Malaysia (2002) Michael Peletz

The Jurisprudence of Muhammed’s Biography
by M. Sa’id Ramadan Al-Buti

Just War and Jihad: Historical and Theoretical Perspectives
on War and Peace in Western and Islamic Traditions
(1991) John Kelsay

The Laws of Islamic Governance (1996) Al-Mawardi;
Dr. Asadullah Yate, translator

Non-Muslims Under Shari’ah (1982) A. Doi

The Penalties for Apostasy in Islam: According to the Four
Schools of Islamic Law (1997)
Abd al-Rahman al-Djazri

The Qur’anic Concept of War (1979) S. K. Malik

The Reliance of the Traveller: The Classic Manual of Islamic
Sacred Law (1997) Umdat Al-Salik Ahmad Ibn, et al 1232
pgs.

The Rights of Non-Muslims in Islamic State (1982)
S. Abdul Maududi

100 LSD  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 11:16:52am
John O'Neill. Great American. Wow. Saved the country from Kerry and now this. Just inspirational what one person can do.


Not the same O'Neill.

This John O'Neill was Killed in the Towers collapse, while saving lives.

His family started the suit on his behalf.

101 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 11:26:48am

Long before the patriot act:

- The IRS nailed Al Capone
- The KKK was dismembered with a civil suit

The way to fight moonbat lawyers is with good guy lawyers. I remember Archie Bunker saying something about the law firm that his lawyer belonged to. Something like "seven savage Jews...". They'll do.

103 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 12:23:26pm

To quote the eminent American philosopher and statesman, Nelson Muntz:

"Ha ha!"

On topic - Learn the Truth about Islam

104 TenRing  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 2:12:59pm

#102 Beagle

Thank you.

105 Prickzilla  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 5:32:50pm

Dear CAIR, Happy New Year, and welcome to our Justice system. You should've been more cautious before you decided to take on the nation that is by far #1 in ligitagion proceedings.

Now, you will finally see what it's like to be playing away, in your enemy's arena, in a game your enemy has perfected.

Shutting your doors, and moving away is advised. This is only the beginning for you. The nation has opened its collective eyes to you.

Leave now.

106 theheat  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 5:39:27pm

A lawsuit a day kepts the jihadis at bay.

Keep it up. Sue the shit out of them.

107 Totally Berserk  Sun, Jan 2, 2005 6:57:24pm

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

This really makes my day.

Excellent comments, y'all. I was starting to think their manipulation of our great Constitution left us totally defenseless. Wrong -- yay!

108 BrunoMitchell  Sat, Jan 8, 2005 2:49:10pm

Here's another example of the ACLU's cozy relationship with CAIR from my Blog


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