First!
No they won't.

I still think that C-B.S. will release the reprot on Super Bowl Sunday.

They will not contact you.

They continue to berade you as if you are not a legitimate medium.

Afterall, you didn't go to Journalism school at Colombia.

It's being vetted by "journalist in training" Corey Pein.

That's sound advice.

Unfortunately, they'll be standing in the middle of a shit storm wondering what the hell hit them after they release that report.

By contacting you that would legitamitize the new media, which would signal that they accept there is going to be competition from the Bloggers as to who sets the news agenda. Not going to happen. Head back in sand.

Why would they start now?

Maybe their tolerance for pain has been lowered? A trimuph of expectation over reality? Because it feels good when they stop beating their heads on the wall?

The Hewitt Memo is fake. Look at the Font, people, look at the Font...

Has Kinkos on the top...It's fake...Someone settin us up. Big time...

They will not contact you.

They continue to berade you as if you are not a legitimate medium

Afterall, you didn't go to Journalism school at Colombia.

And besides, Dan's Superman pajama's are at the cleaner's.

Pijamas! Oh course! How could I be so decived?

Not a chance that they do this. They have nothing but contempt for bloggers...

Wow, now that's a dovish message.

"I don’t expect them to follow Hugh’s suggestion. No one from the independent investigation has ever contacted me, or (as far as I know) any of the other bloggers involved in exposing the fraud. Why would they start now?"

Ch^ar _les I doubt they will, but hell ya' never know.

CBS actually vet something BEFORE airing it?

Bwahahahhahahah!

Fake but accurate says Corey Pein...

Speaking of that; that story was on Fox news yesterday, with the subtitle...fake, but accurate...

Coincidence Charles?

We are the Blog.
Persistence is futile.
Your lies will be annotated.

I wonder if the report was prepared using MSWord or some sort of obscure 1970s typesetting equipment?

Tonight on CBS:
Memo He Wrote,
A lovable old fart grapples with conspiracy and gets cranky.

23 "lovable old fart"? nah he's a curmudgeon of the nth degree.

Charles! That is flockingunbelievable that none of you were ever contacted by CBS. How about Buckhead or the Powerline guys. Did any of them hear from CBS? If not, how thorough could their investigation have been? Morons!

The use of 20 letter words will make the attempt to obfuscate the lies told by Rather & dump on bloggers...I trust them NOT...

Obfuscate? That's not twenty letters, but I have no idea what it means.

Sorry I went to public school.

#26 foreign devil

If not, how thorough could their investigation have been?

Investigation? What are you talking about?

CBS furthers the story of the UN ankle biters. Film at 11.

The UN is once again whining about the US not coordinating [plaids don't go with stripes, or do they?] things with the UN, despite the fact that everyone knows that the US is doing the real heavy lifting throughout the region.

So, do you think the report will be dated 1973?

cathy :-)

OT

Text of kerry letter, spurring on the loss, that teruhza keeps kicking him the ass for.

"I want every vote counted because Americans have to know that the votes they stood in line for, fought for, and strived so hard to cast in an election, are counted. We must make sure there are no questions or doubts in future elections. It's critical to our democracy that we investigate and act to prevent voting irregularities and voter intimidation across the country. We can't stand still as Congressional leaders seek to sweep well-founded voter concerns under the rug."

If you choose to read more...
Fox News

If previously posted..scroll on by.

The more I hear about MSM in general and CBS in particular, the more I am impressed that Bernard Goldberg's book had the Perfect title: Arrogance.

24 Texa

"Unloveable dogmatic ego maniac" just didn't sound as funny. LOL

The use of 20 letter words will make the attempt to obfuscate the lies told by Rather & dump on bloggers...I trust them NOT...

It's a real shame when they become overcome by the exuberance of their own verbosity.

OT:

The Wikipedia online encyclopedia has a hilarious entry for LGF:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
 

Fox News should jump all over this and do a special with all the princliple bloggers involved - Charles, Bill from INDC, the Powerline guys, me, etc.

The buzz for the special from the blogosphere would generate monster ratings. They should schedule it opposite 60 Minutes or 60 Minutes II just so CBS gets the full effect and message.

It would be a no-lose for Fox News.

They probably won't run it past a single blogger. But at least we can look forward to reading that bulletin boards are blogs, yet again.

For some reason that brings me joy.

"The story is true. The story is true. The questions raised in the story are serious and legitimate questions."

Thanks for the memories Dan...thanks for the memories.

The MSM treat blogs like they treat Republicans. They disregard you all and think you are morons. It amazing to watch them go down and be utterly surprised and depressed when it happens.

I can't farking wait!

Hey Charles -

Maybe they didn't contact you because they cannot admit you exist. Of course, that raises the question of who exposed them. Maybe they're blaming Fox?

#21
Cleaning off monitor...
"Why do you persist? We only wish to raise quality of factchecking for all species."

If they furnish the requested material, be prepared for the new series, CBS...The Road To Oblivion, featuring old Dan Rather clips.

Charles,

If they were interested in the truth, they would have to contact you. This report was never about the truth. It was about hiding the truth and getting CBS out of the spotlight and off the hook.

Thornburgh is a lawyer, CBS is his client. The report is not a court document or a document required in a litigation proceeding. Thornburgh and CBS are legally entitled to write pure fiction in this report, so why anyone puts stock in this "report" is beyond me. My only interest in it amounts to entertainment value and to see just how long and hard CBS is willing to decieve the public. I think they have a lot of capacity, hell, they have been doing it for years and do it to this day.

There may be other reports that we will never see. CBS is a corporation. Viacom has responsibilities to shareholders, and events at CBS may be material. CBS might be liable for criminal prosecution for election law violations. You can bet that some lawyer has gone over this matter with a view to potential litigation. That report will be privileged and confidential and will never see the light of day nor even the fact of it's existence admitted.

The only way to get to the facts here would be for the FEC or the Justice Department to launch an investigation. Absent that, you should depend on CBS to lie about this in whole or it part, it's in their best interest to do that.

Of course they won't contact bloggers, or otherwise behave in any fashion that could be construed as acknowledgment of the power of public opinion. The old guard media are so self-absorbed, they have no time for bloggers, except to peer down their collective noses at us and call us "amateurs."

I find this particularly amusing, since the profession of journalism is, by definition, an amateur profession. We're not talking about learing to build safe structures, or organize logisitics for an army, or troubleshoot a corporate computer network. Those professions all require very specialized training and years of practical experience before one can even begin to operate independently in them. Journalism, on the other hand, is very much an unskilled endeavor. It's very simple: Who, What, When, Where, Why, How. If you took a journalism class in junior high, you learned that much in one day. (It is worth considering that you can effectively teach journalism at the seventh grade level; try teaching engineering, logistical organization, or distributed networking at that age.)

If you made good grades in high school creative writing courses, and aced the verbal half of your SAT (not hard to do), then you have every qualification required to be an effective journalist. Everything else (i.e.- everything taught in college journalism courses) can be lumped into the category of pointless window dressing. The only thing remaining is style, and one only acquires that by practising.

CBS should be careful about throwing rocks at "amateurs," since they're inside the same glass house as the rest of us. They just happen to be profitable amateurs-- for the moment.

Why should CBS cater to you bloggers? So what, LGF exposed the memos as fake. Big Whoop. It's the THOUGHT that counts. And don't bring up that stupid police planting evidence analogy. It's different just because. You lack feelings, so you wouldn't understand. We know if we ignore you, you will go away. Then the big three will have their pulpit again. Blogging is a fad on its way out.

Charles, shouldn't your sentence read

No one from the "independent" investigation ...

?

#45 - you've got it. And the pathetic part is that my 7th-grade journalism teacher, Mrs. Griggs (who also taught Latin), turned out better journalists than Columbia "Journalism" School.

No way will the MSM join forces with blogs. They are the elite, the sterling. Bloggers stay in the PJ's all day and type while they watch "As the Stomach Turns" on tv. Bloggers don't have degrees in journalism therefore they are illigitimate. The MSM will ride horses no matter how many jeers they hear telling them to get a car. They are stuck in the 40's.
But, the rest of the world will continue to grow with this new medium and one day the MSM will awaken to discover they are still in the stone age.

My Lord, I killed this thread! Speak to me! slap! speak, I say!

hooking up leads Clear bzzzt

"Darn it, Jim. I'm a doctor not a magician!

Time of death... 6:19. May God have mercy on it's killobytes.

Charles:

I don’t expect them to follow Hugh’s suggestion. No one from the independent investigation has ever contacted me, or (as far as I know) any of the other bloggers involved in exposing the fraud. Why would they start now?

That doesn't mean you can't contact THEM, Charles. I said it before: there are neutral and even friendly news organizations who are willing to publish what you have to say on this story, if you communicate with them. Exs: Brit Hume at Fox News, Rush and Sean, both of whom reach more than 10 million every week with their radio programs (and Hugh Hewitt), Taranto at the Wall St. Journal, the New York Post, Washington Times, National Review, Weekly Standard, etc.

To get the attention of all these news outlets, start your e-mail letter like so, "As one of the 3 computer science experts who exposed the forgery of the CBS memos a day after they were published, I think you should know that the investigation's report into CBS's behavior made the following false statements:"

If you want me to offer any help in putting something together for you, I'd be glad to. I do this professionally.

It lives! It L I V E S!

#36 William

Good link, learned more about myself than I wanted to know.

Apathy Curve:

If you took a journalism class in junior high, you learned that much in one day. (It is worth considering that you can effectively teach journalism at the seventh grade level; try teaching engineering, logistical organization, or distributed networking at that age.)

That's why J Schools are now expanding their curriculum to teach the basics of science, engineering, statistics, so that reporters can start to analyze these subjects in the course of their work and ask more relevant questions--and then vet the answers for consistency, etc.

Couple years ago, the news wire services started to hire graduates of B-schools, schools of international affairs, etc--people with knowledge of particular subjects. And yes, Charles, Columbia just changed its curriculum at the J-School to reflect that but, ahem, I don't think the first class has graduated yet.

Release a draft of the Rathergate report to a half-dozen bloggers for pre-publication comment

Ten bucks says they did:

DailyKos,
Atrios,
Josh Marshall,
Wonkette,
Oliver Willis,
Kathryn Cramer

That ought to cover the range of opinion.

Kathryn Cramer will say that Dan Rather was "orc-ed".

#49 & 55 theparson

Please refer to my #43. Aso, IIRC, "It's alive...IT'S ALIVE!" would have been so appropriate here.

#26 Foreign Devil

Try floccinaucinihilipification. Oops, that won't work. That's twenty-six. But the meaning is apropros.

#27 oh-dude

Me, too.

A real PIMF
Try floccinaucinihilipilification and 28 letters, or something like that.

(slinks off murmuring PIMF PIMF pimf...fades into oblivion along with Dan & CBS)

Friendly warning: let's not go on a power trip

# 63 Patrizio:

Friendly warning: let's not go on a power trip

Now WTF is that supposed to mean? What an obfuscating post. Unfortunately, obfuscating posts are all too typical from you. Unless they are downright idiotic. Idiotic or obfuscating: Not a good choice of posting options for you.

CBS might very well follow Hugh's advice. They might release an advance copy to selected bloggers as a way of recognizing the blogosphere. Of course the list of bloggers to whom they will release the report would include Wonkette or some other leftist (even though she had nothing to do with exposing the scandal) and would exclude either LGF or Powerline. That is the MSM's way of pretending to recognize the blogosphere while doing their best to squelch it.

I'm licking my chops. When the see B.S. report hits air, let's release the hounds and let the fisking begin!