Rock on!

Screw a lot of Morlocks and their pitiful attempts at DOS

Are DOS attacks malicious events intentionally created or just a breakdown?

#1 equable

"Rock on!"

David Essex 1973 Columbia Records

Another glorious victory for the Lizardoid Minions of at LGF and the House of ZOG!

Ok, now where's my check?!

#3 DocDublU

Not only intentional but anal and downright idiotic.

Was the attack specifically against LGF? What is the ISP policy ree political sites which are more likely to attract criminal attacks such as this? Could this in theory jeopardize LGF's service?

If so it seems you could increase the damages awarded in a lawsuit when you determine which Indymedia contributor's sociopathic nephew did this.

Keep up the good work Charles!

Typical leftist crap: just attempt to shut down or silence those with whom you disagree...

Oh well, it's a good thing I wasn't trying to get on lgf last night. Schtoopid Morlocks.

#8 KevinV

The true leftist is all for "re-education" camps.

No word from Hosting Matters on the target of the attack.

Oh yeah, Good Morning fellow lizardoid minions. Miffy & Friends is on (fellow parents of toddlers and preschoolers know what I'm taking about).

Typical. Lefties who don't like to hear what you have to say try to shut you up.

Free speech has always been a one-way street with them.

jusdt he beginning...and dont wait until you see the whites of their items
Operative word - Premptive!

Jihad Watch was similarly hit. Am awaiting reports from fields in western Pennsylvania.

Not being able to get on LGF allowed me to go to bed early (midnight) after trying periodicly for half an hour. Cary on Charles, we are all waiting.

Charles

What is the chance we here will here more details of the origins of the attack ?

I have some hacker friends in Iran who would love to knock down something for me.

lol...PIMF...eyes not items (working too hard)

Ah, morlock web-jitsu weak, grasshopah! Start strong like ox, defeated like Bill Clinton at cocktail bar!

Wondered if that was what it was...was happliy blogging away, then BAM! Couldn't get on. Seemed to be some other blogs as well, or is it just me?

It must be because of the Fu of my blog!

It is just coinkydink that LGF uses the same server.

;0
QM

I suspected Jihad Watch was attacked because I couldn't log on this morning. Then I knew something was rotten in Denmark when the same happened when I tried LGF.

BASTARDS!

Wish I had the cash to mirror LGF

I knew something was screwy when I tried to post on Zombie's thread last night.

I tried Instapundit and couldn't get there either.

Maybe Stinky Beaumont is actually working against you, Charles.

I would do an internal investigation and give anyone the results...

re:#25

and NOT give anyone the results.

PIMF

Everytime I post ...Bbev--LFG on a left wing site it gets pulled. So much for free speech...

Lefties can't take it!

BWUAHAAAHAAAHAAA!

They also have to resort to cheating at counter-strike, as they have no skeels whatsoever. And even when they DO cheat, the still get a beatdown.

MWUAHAAAHAAAHAAA!

...heeheehee...such loosers...

Powerline was off also, might be a good idea to use different hosts in the future.

moonbat/morlock attack on THE INDEPENDENT REPUBLIC OF NEWFOUNDLAND & LABRADOR

the have been defeated until the morlock mating season

all lizard and zionist minions are welcome

GI'S YES
HIPPIES NO
COMMIE PROFS GOT TO GO!

If we could find these children doing this, we could respond to their DoS attacks with sod attacks. Hurling large chunks of rolled up sections of turf at them would be fun.

Now, now, now, people. Let's not be hasty and judgmental here. It could have been totally accidental and innocent.

No, really! Stop laughing!

Nobody ever takes me seriously.

#31
places tinfoil hat back in corner

I perfer copper scren, eeps out high freq. better!

..#23..son and dance...I used to watch TV, read newspapers, and get on news blogs for my daily fix. The papers news is 12 to 24 hours old, and any comments or letters will come another 24 to 48 hours (1 or 2 days later). Same with TV news, stories can be breaking news, and the comments which come afterwards are LLL BS. Similar with Newswebsites.

LGFers search the web, put the news up, and the comments start to flow immediately, none of this waiting and getting ticked off. There are people (LGFers) out there who actually think as I do (relatively speaking).

So I keep on coming back for more. We complement each other,correct each, using facts and truth. That is confirmation. Correcting and converting trolls is a bonus.

#23 song_and_dance_man . . .

What is it about this site that is addictive? I was truly anxious last night and went to bed after the second attack.

That's my question too! A truly addictive site.

Hah! A weak attempt by the Morlocks to bring down the most important web site on the internet! Foiled again.

We must make them hurt. It inspires me to hit the tip jar which I will now do! Take that Morlocks. How 'bout it gang, let's do it.

If I could type I would be dangerous, I guess I could turn on the lights so I could see the letters on the keyboard.

I think it is time to call in thefumigaion experts and go after these (insert appropriate name) once and for all.

I was not on line last night but I am still upset by the DOS.

"MORLOCK MUST DIE" " LGF VS. THE MORLOCK" "DESTROY ALL MORLOCK" "BRIDE OF MOORELOCK" "SON OF MOORELOCK" "COMING-SOON" to a drive-in near you

In fact, groups at Yahoo (yes, I post there too [hangs head in shame]) were similarly affected. At least that's my conjecture, now. I tried to get a message posted for almost 20 minutes, gave up, and went to bed.

Thus, it might not be as focused as some assume.

It wasn’t an isolated event, I was unable to log on to LGF, The Captain’s Quarters, Powerline and Instapundit, and all were no responsive. This was a coordinated assault.

Hosting Matters hosts them all.

That’s sort of like lining all the P40’s up wingtip to wingtip at Pearl Harbor.

Back Yardigans on the TV this morning, and my sweetie is making me my last pancakes of 2005 before I go back on Atkins, and then off to the office to move my 2002 files to an empty cabinet in another office, and move my 2003 files to where the 2002 files were, and so-on, and print lots of cool file labels, and organize for 2005, and hopefully get home for at least a half of the late Wild Card game.

Comment 333 on last thread from yesterday gives details on developing winter weather event in New England, upcoming super cold snap for most of Eastern US (Houston may stay sub-zero all of next weekend), possibility of blockbuster storm next weekend for Northeast as wave forms on arctic front in Gulf of Mexico and heads up just off the East Coast, and the potential for serious flooding in Los Angeles/San Diego areas, with massive 1 meter plus snow dumps in the highest elevations of SoCal.

#35 hornet

..#23..son and dance...I used to watch TV, read newspapers, and get on news blogs for my daily fix. The papers news is 12 to 24 hours old, and any comments or letters will come another 24 to 48 hours (1 or 2 days later). Same with TV news, stories can be breaking news, and the comments which come afterwards are LLL BS. Similar with Newswebsites.

I agree. It's nice talk blow peoples minds with info they have not even heard of yet. And with all the pre-info to blow the libleft's out of the water.

Take that!

Charles, I used the Amazon since I don't use PayPal!

Morlock in action:

The California lawyer who tried to have the phrase "under God" removed from the Pledge of Allegiance now wants to legally prevent President Bush from placing his hand on a Bible while being sworn in at his inauguration.

When asked how to determine what is right, Mr. Newdow said, "I use my brain."

#37 Theparson

We must make them hurt. It inspires me to hit the tip jar which I will now do! Take that Morlocks. How 'bout it gang, let's do it.

Beat you to it-last week.

When asked how to determine what is right, Mr. Newdow said, "I use my brain."

Hey, that's the same thing Jeffrey Dahmer used!

jlfintx

Cursed be upon your mustache.

Will keep an eye out on the jihadi boards, see if anyone shows signs of knowledge of the event.

While LGF was down last night, I couldn't get to PowerLine or Michelle Malkin, either. I could connect to other conservative blogs (e.g., TigerHawk) and (gasp!) DU...

Methinks it was malicious and targeted to specific conservative blogs...

news flash

cause of earthquake is now known
MICHAEL MOORELOCK'S MATING SEASON
KILL IT BEFORE IT MULTIPLIES

Iron Fist

Are you going to let us see pics of your new ride?

Oh, I get it. It got quiet in here 'cause theparson's taking up an offering.

You couldn't connect to all those other blogs because they're all on the Hosting Matters network. The DOS attack was apparently directed at the entire network, not a specific site.

Re: my 53

DU is intended to not be included in the category of conservative blogs, though that may not be clear given my cr@ppy wording. Still. Waking. Up... Coffee. Brewing...

#51 theparson

How did you know I had a mustache?

#60 jlfintx

You got it stuck under the num lock key!

jlfintx

We have eyes everywhere... '-)

#57 Charles

Thanks... I blog corrected.

Hey, that's the same thing Jeffrey Dahmer used!

It's a pity they never met.

#59 S&DMan

I'm not addicted... I can stop anytime I want. Do they have a patch for this?

#48 Geepers

Ya know, that Nerdow fellow's kid went to an elementary school in the district where I work, and it was against us that he filed the infamous suit that went to the Supremes. And as lib as schools tend to be, I didn't hear ANYONE on staff agree with him. There doubtless were people who did, but they kept a realll low profile.

But the district was cool, and had an essay contest to send two students to testify before the court...one pro, and one against. It was a great learning experience for all concerned, but we were sure glad he lost.

He should fall on his face with this one too.

Will we ever find out who attacked? Bored teenager or something far more nefarious?

Longshot: Barbara Boxer- she's PO'd about us.

60-61

ouch!

Iron Fist

You still mad?

How was this attack distributed, and are there any indications where it came from?

Andy Mueller-Maguhn, a former European delegate to ICANN has made a comment on the geopolitics of such attacks:

"It might be that Mr. Schily does not know anything about infowar, but I know a lot of countries see attacks coming at their computers from other countries as an act of war. If even one country in the world were to start acting like this, it could lead to an open infowar that no one could win."

There is nothing which points to government infowar right now, but it is reasonable to assume that the computers where this attack originated from are harbored under the sovereignty of some government.

Speaking of murderers:

Knaves: Sen. Ted Kennedy, for his petty pontificating against Alberto Gonzales.

2004's Knave of the year runner-up must have felt shortchanged after losing out to George Soros. Mr. Kennedy burst onto the 2005 stage as red-faced and blustery as ever during his questioning of Mr. Gonzales, Mr. Bush's nominee for attorney general. One particular point in his "question," however, deserves special attention.

Mr. Kennedy: "Now, [The Washington] Post article states you [Mr. Gonzales] chaired several meetings at which various interrogation techniques were discussed. These techniques included the threat of live burial and water boarding, whereby the detainee is strapped to a board, forcibly pushed under water, wrapped in a wet towel and made to believe he might drown."

For failing to see the irony, Mr. Kennedy is the Knave of the week.

Bob's Kid,

Fall on his own petard. BTW if you're my kid aren't you supposed to be doing homework this morning?

#69 theparson

What is that about parson?

72 S&DMan

But my wireless network will only go 50 or so feet outside my house. My family is standing around wanting to go and I cant stop hitting refresh :-(

Hi, my name's theparson and I'm a LGFaholic.

DOS attacks usually involve someone controlling a large number of 'compromised' Windows PCs, without the knowledge of their owners, to simultaneously contact and thereby overload the target.

If you must run Windows, make sure you have up-to-date anti-virus/trojan/adware software, and preferably an external firewall, so that you are not unwittingly joining in these attacks.

jlfintx

Words were exchanged about hugs.
You'll have to read it for yourself.

# 73 Bob with one O

Ummm, a different Bob, I hope. Actually, I am supposed to be doing some grading this morning, only I am about to leave to go geocaching with some friends instead.

Sorry, Pop! I will do my homework when I get home, I promise!

And I have to admit that being hoisted or falling on one's own petard is one of my favorite expressions...it's so evocative. Gory, but hey...the best ones are.

jlfintx

start somewhere around #35

DOS attacks usually involve someone controlling a large number of 'compromised' Windows PCs, without the knowledge of their owners, to simultaneously contact and thereby overload the target.

If you must run Windows, make sure you have up-to-date anti-virus/trojan/adware software, and preferably an external firewall, so that you are not unwittingly joining in these attacks.

That be one reason why I HAVE A MAC!

Insert evil laugh here...

Bob,

Geocaching?

kps:

Can you find out who is attacking you and stop them? I couldn't get in several times yesterday; first when Hosting Matters did their thing; then later in the afternoon and finally again last night when I gave up after a while. Is it the left wing morlocks and what in G*d's green earth set them off this time, there's no election to scuttle this time?

Charles - this is so much bullshit - couldn't reach discarded lies either.
I tried (off and on) for more than six hours last night and some morlock denies me my right of free expressin over the ether?
I don't want to see the ususal here: bs,bs,bs, MAYBE A FINE, or a scolding. I want the name(s) and addresses of whomever was behind this. I want to insure that they PERSONALLY feel my pain.
I'm going to Hosting Mattter to find out what the DOS was about.

OK, there are starting to yell at me so I gotta go. See you all later.

# 82 Bob with one O

geocaching.com. Easier for you to do that than for me to explain it. Another addictive pasttime that keeps me from doing things I should do.

This would be me...

Image of theparson, like a football player, reaching his laptop out to keep it in the wi-fi zone hitting F5 trying to get one last refresh as his family drags him towards the car.

# 87 Geepers

We feel his pain...

#76 kps
I'm doing that as soon as I'm done writing this. Is there any way we could harness all our computers for an immediate counter-attack? This is a war.

My weblog is hosted on Hosting Matters, too. As is A Small Victory.

I couldn't get to any HM site last night.

:::grumble:::

The parson is right, you know: the more I think about it, the parson is right. Each time they pull one of these DNS attacks or some other nasty, we know we are getting to them. Not necessarily winning but we're driving them crazy and maybe...just maybe...we are winning too. I hope so!

Bob's Kid,

You can get a satellite telephone connection for your palm pilot, But you have to be really dedicated like Thom to do that. ;-)

#92 Geepers

How well I know that. If only I could finagle some way to make it deductible!

#72 Bob with one O:

Fall on your sword;
Hoist on your petard. ;)

I will take full responsibility for the 'outage' of several websites, blogs, etc...

You see I has created two seafood pizzas...consisting of a my secret garlic based alfredo sauce, topped with gorgonzola, parmigiano reggiano and mozzarella cheese, portobello mushrooms, pineapple chunks and mandarin orange slices and the 'web killer'...sea scallops and shrimp.

Each of these food items, contain nutrients and minerals to include...iodine, copper, fluoride, zinc, germanium, iron, manganese, selenium...etc., etc...

While a lot of the internet was out...I must admit the above pizza and the Peroni Gran Riserva beer, was greatly enjoyed.

I do solemnly promise, never to actually attempt, doing again...SOON...:).

LGF is honored by the enemies of truth.

From Instapundit:

[Link: yro.slashdot.org...]

Bob,

Thanks for the link.

Foreign devil,

Thanks. "gotta trust those bells in the back of my mind when I post.

Iron Fist,

"A 1990 Porsche 911 is worth about twice as much, but you put fifty grand into the Porsche (at least)."

Don't do the early C2's.

#17 JustDanny - I've e-mailed Hosting Matters; with my technical wizardry I should have an answer for you before 2006.
I AM seriously PISSED OFF about this; me and many generations of my family before me sacrificed a lot to guarantee Freedom of Speech. Fines are ok (if actually collected and Charles gets some dough out of this) but that is unsatisfactory to me. I want to get up close and personal with however many bozos did this to ME. I'm not joking.
BTW - I received an e-mail from Obi-Wan (forwarded to my puter) with an attachment about why is sex and math so similar
because it was from Obi-Wan whom I knew back when he had a different nic, I opened the attachment. There was nothing there. BE CAREFUL Y'ALL.
AND JustDanny would you PULEEZE e-mail me - when transferring my address book to my hot new puter, I mangled
most addy's and all messages.
Thanks youse'all

#78 Theparson

I think the best comment was the last by Thom.

A few days ago someone popped in on a thread, distributed hugs to 4 or 5 people and concluded with "Let's see. Did I miss anyone?"

That would sum up my feelings as I have felt that way before here. So either say "Hi to all or not at all"

Charles, I have Windows XP but I also have McAfee firewall, Symantec virus scan and a self-healing system provided by my service provider. I can't afford a Mac at this stage and otherwise my system works well.

If I suspect that I might be part of a DNS attack, is there anything I can do to clean the intruders out of my system of deconnect them?

#96 Iron Fist:

Yeah Harley was really turned around awhile back-it seems like I read where a woman actually runs that company. Have you heard that?

Harley's are a great American success story. One product that is idolized in a world where other American products have taken a back seat to so many foreign made items.

Will get me one some day when I ever get to retire.

Well, I really have to actually do some work today. See you all later.

jlfintx out

So is it true Iran is causing these DNS attacks?

Iran?

Wouldn't surprise me to find evil foreigners at work here. By probing some relatively weakly defended civie sites they get some practice for bigger targets- financial, power grids etc.

#3

Yes, a DOS attack is malicious. Given the fact that this has happend before, I'd say intentionally malicious. As Charles said in his #57 post

You couldn't connect to all those other blogs because they're all on the Hosting Matters network. The DOS attack was apparently directed at the entire network, not a specific site.

Whoever did this knew what they were doing. Sadly, I know a number of people LLL enough and with the skills to do something like this. Most of them would not bother, but there are plenty out there that would.

Glad the blog is back up and running again. Have a good day everyone.

You couldn't connect to all those other blogs because they're all on the Hosting Matters network. The DOS attack was apparently directed at the entire network, not a specific site.

Being painfully familiar with the problem: any attack against a single site, if it is done "right", will overwhelm the router upstream before it gets to any particular web server. So it becomes an attack against the entire network, whether it was meant to be one or not.

For database-dependent blogs like LGF or JihadWatch to be able to stay online in the face of repeated attacks would require that the database be hosted on a different network than the website, and that the website be mirrored across multiple networks. If some thought is given to masking and/or defending the location of the database server, this setup ought to be reasonably bulletproof.

This would be Internet Haganah v2.0. To get version 1 implemented in a hurry I moved the database behind the home office firewall, which was easy since I had long ago disabled comments due to attacks on the comment system.

My point is that it can be done, you can beat the bastards, but if a crew of attackers is determined to keep your site offline, they will succeed, and defeating them takes at least a little more money and certainly more effort on the part of the site admin. Either that or you pay through the nose for a "solution" from a "solution provider", but in my experience you just end up paying more money and when the bad guys strike your site still goes off line.

Just in case the european roots of Linux are keeping some of you from using it, Red Hat has always been an American commercial distribution, and for about a year, SuSE, developed in Germany, has been owned by Novell (Utah). Either one will resist this kind of monkey business (as well as a lot of other viruses, etc.) a lot better than Windows.

I am using SuSE right now to type this. Not necessarily recommended for general use, but it is much safer for web surfing.

#110

Very informative. Okay, I really am leaving now. Must clean house. Must go for long walk. Must not succumb to the rays emitting from my laptop... Follow the lizard master, Follow the lizard master... you're getting sleepy now... your eye lids are getting heavy... you're in a tranquil state (like Hawaii)... now, continue blogging, forget the housework, for the the walk, just keep blogging.

Earth2moonbat,

Can you recommend some primary reading material concerning computers, operating systems and the web? Am I being too general?

#112

How would switching to a Linux server help? Most likely the server Hosting matters is using is Unix based. I'm a newbie to Unix, but what makes Red Hat Linux better than any other version of Unix (like [shudders to mention it] FreeBSD)?

Hi SaDman... have fun with your son today, or defeating the trail du jour into submission with your mountain bike of death. ;-)

I guess you guys already know that Powerline and Glenn Reynolds both had this same attack. right?

#116 yes, see Charles' #57 post

Just to reiterate, Hosting Matters is simply the best hosting service out there. They are smart and very on top of things. When new versions of software are released they don't whine about how risky it is to install it and you don't need any of those features anyway. Instead they make a test plan, test it thoroughly, make contingency plans, and push it out. And when things go wrong they always seem to be able to fix it better, faster, more intelligently, and just generally keep their wits and senses of humor about them.

All hosting services have rules about how much bandwidth you are allowed to consume. If you exceed these limits at many services, they just kick you off. Or they collapse. At HM, they see bandwidth demand as an opportunity, not an excuse to terminate your relationship with them. Many folks don't realize that they are in Florida, and went through all 4 hurricanes with nary a hiccoup. And remember that Ra^thergate started right after one hurricane and was still hitting them hot and heavy when the next hurricane arrived.

Since they are just absolutely the best out there, they have LOTS of discriminating customers. Not just blogs, but small commercial sites, many organizations. It's quite possible that one of those sites was the target of the attacks. Also, sad to say, this might have been a form of commercial sabatoge by somebody attempting to bring down the reputation of HM by knocking them offline.

But the most likely explanation is that the upgrades that they made to the site earlier this week inadvertantly opened them to some vulnerability. That's the risk you take when you go with a site that's not still using crappy ancient versions of software because they are terrified to upgrade.

(Did I say that our company recommends HM to our clients when we set up their websites?)

Annette and Stephanie are simply the best, gang.

cathy :-)

#114 Bob

Yes that is a bit general. What specfically are you looking for? Windows based, or Unix based?

has someone thought about building a SAN to house the database?

#108 Bob with one O

power grids etc.

Not to get sidetracked, but the vulnerability of the power grid to internet attack has been greatly exaggerated. Most generators operate autonomously, with no need for telemetry. Most existing telemetry is not over the internet, though that is changing. If they do it right, the telemetry that they do is encrypted, so they can't fiddle with the controls.

At worst, a DOS attack on a part of the internet which carries some grid control data will result in a ceasation of data flow. The control system should fall back to local autonomous control. This could only precipitate a problem if the loading on the grid is critical (>~98%).

A bigger concern is the consequence of a sustained reduction in internet capacity, through a series of attacks, bringing commerce to a slowdown. Let's hope that there is a plan to sectionalize the net in such a case.

#118 cathyf

I did not know that. And I agree with you that if this is their business, and not just a hobby, then they'd be all over ways to keep themselves secured, and protected against attacks.

#120

I don't see how having SAN storage of the database would help. Doesn't seen that lack of storage is the issue, but network topology might be.

I don't Charles will tell us in any case. If he posted it, then lurking morlocks would know what the fix is and attack it again.

#83 foreign devil - Hosting Matters might be able to identify the puppets, but probably not who's pulling the strings.

#123 PIMF

I don't think Charles will tell us... still not quite awake yet.

Dan Rather must have been busy last night. I didn't know he was that savvy.

123 I meant something like that as far as changing the topology. NAS might work? I'm not that up on those things.

Hey Charles, I know you are the Great Lizard Master, but maybe you should contact Christheprofessor. He has a PhD in IT, and may have some interesting ideas to contribute on the subject.

Skippy,

I'm looking for the Holy Grail here. I know absolutely nothing (and am tired of knowing absolutely nothing) about any of this. Just looking to start the process.

Earth2moonbat,

The Public Service people I've talked with are more concerned that every system uses different software. There is an effort to get everyone on the same page but it will take years. Also there is another huge weakness in the system I'll not go into online.

The problem with DDoS is that it's a brute force attack, not a question of vulnerabilities in the usual sense. The only cost-effective defense is to divide the attack across so many targets that they simply can't knock them all offline all at once.

130 what kind of programming knowledge is need to do this type of attack?

#114 Bob with one O

Basically, if you have a Mac, you have one choice of OS (there is, actually Linux for MAC, but it isn't very polished). If you have a P.C., you can use Windows (like 90+% of people do), OS/2 (which is dying), or one of the free GNU Unixes, which includes Linux and freeBSD. FreeBSD is majorly nerdy, as are many of the Linuxes, but there are several commercial distributions (they charge for them, but not much).

Red hat and SuSE/Novell are full-blown serious GUI-based distros. For someone wanting to dabble and surf, there is a Canadian distro called Xandros (which grew out of Corel), which is somewhat stripped down, but very simple to set up and use. There is also one called Lindows (American, I believe) which is reputed to be similar. And there is a guy in L.A. who sells one for $5 called "linuxinstall" which is also very quick and dirty, with an easy learning curve.

If you don't want to actually install anything on the hard disk, there are some mini-distros which boot off of a CD-rom. The original one of these is Knoppix (German), but an American stripped it down and created "damn small linux", which is very lean, mean and quick. These can be downloaded and burnt onto CDroms as ISO images.

The whole GNU thing is very involved, and I don't have time or space to go into it here, but some internet research give you answers.

#127 texanista

If a SAN or NAS is available, and fits into a network topology such as what #110 suggests, then I can see it being beneficial. However, it would likely be very costly as this type of storage doesn't come cheap. The expansion capabilities for the database storage, and the fact that SANs, if so eqipped, can provide on-SAN backup of the database are really nice advantages to this type of storage.

Earth2anovice,

Thanks, I've copied your response and will start from there.

#115 SkippyMoment

How would switching to a Linux server help?

I'm sorry that I didn't refer back to the earlier post. There was a discussion of how DOS attacks are caused by viruses on user machines, and how windows facilitates this by being more vulnerable to viruses.. It has notheing to do with the servers, which is why this was addressed to to the general audience.

#129 Bob

Some community colleges offer short, self-paced courses that you can complete in a couple of weeks. They'll give you a basic idea of things in general. Or you can look into books like The Idiot's Guide to the Internet, [Link: WWW...] Dummies, HTML for Dummies, Unix for Dummies...

I've taken classes, and I work with a bunch of engineers documenting our what our products do so I'm picking up a lot through osmosis. I'd recommend the books written for complete newbies first. After that, you'll have a better idea where you want to go next. And I'm sure the Lizard minions will be happy to guide you in your quest for the grail.

If you want, pop me off an e-mail and I'll try to point you to more specific references that may help you begin your new journey.

[salutes new tech minion as he begins his techie journey]

133 ok. that makes sense. I was thinking of IDE drives for lowering the cost and RAID5

#135 Thanks for the clarification.

Okay, I really am leaving now. There's a break in the weather, an my feet are itching for that long walk. Ooh, is that the SUN I see... I'm outta here.

Later minions.

130 what kind of programming knowledge is need to do this type of attack?

Little to none. In the case of the attacks against the Haganah site the tools for the attack were distributed widely and were hard-coded to attack our site's location. In any event it's always easier to tear down than to build up.

#137 texanista

I don't think you can do RAID5 with IDE drives. SATA drives will do RAID1.

What do you need the RAID5 for anyway?

would proxie servers or .net topology make any difference? I'm new to this stuff but just wondering. Some of the software that I rep uses .net for security and centralized database storage. I was wondering if it might be a little less vulnerable in that architecture.

Skippy,

"New" is polite. I can't get the email function to work (see below). The one item I do know is "garbage in, garbage out."

The host 'smtp' could not be found. Please verify that you have entered the server name correctly. Account: 'http', Server: 'smtp', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 11001, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D

140 I don't need RAID5. I don't even do networking. I was just curious. You can do RAID5 I believe with IDE. A couple of years ago there was a company supposedly doing that and the cost was way lower than SCSI drives. I just liked the RAID5 because it could rebuild itself if one of the drives crashed ect.

Rayra,

Ouch!

At any rate, I hope they catch the people behind this one. Wouldn't it be nice if it turned out to eminate from seeBS?

Anyone want to wager a guess that Aaron at Internet Haganah was the target again?

I was up late last night for both rounds of DDOS; I'm pretty certain my machine wasn't involved (no unusual hard drive activity).

Anyone want to wager a guess that Aaron at Internet Haganah was the target again?

Dude, I *am* Aaron, and our site hasn't been at HostingMatters for a year and two months.

#129 Bob with one O

I've worked a lot with telemetry, and a fair amount with generation, but not with generation/distribution telemetry. I have read some about the issues involved, and if I understand correctly, the diversity of software is considered an advantage with regard to vulnerability to attacks, because viruses thrive in a software monoculture.

There is a theoretical concern that in many generation plants, the control PLCs are inadvertantly connected into the office networks, which are, in turn, connected to the internet. Again, diversity is your friend. Any attacker would have to know a lot about a lot of systems involved (including make/model of PLC) to be able to manipulate a PLC through such a hole.

These are not hard problems to solve; secure connections can make the PLCs impossible to get into. The bigger question is the exact same problem as nuclear power faces: ensuring quality of management. Making sure that some independent minded electrician doesn't "do his own thing", and create a hole big enough for a hacker to get through.

Am I missing another issue?

Rayra... sooo sorry to hear about your leg. Didn't you know the expression "break a leg" was not suppose to be taken literally!

Heal fast, Heal well.
Oh, and trolls be warned, rayra is going to have plenty of time to sharpen his sword, and can still weild it to your destruction, so tread lightly!

The SUN is shining... and I'm out the door now.

153 Thanks, I'm gradually getting into this stuff just in case I need to know it at some point. I'm mostly in technical sales but I'm intrigued by all this IT stuff.

Earth2moonbat,

In a word, yes.

Bravo to Hosting Matters. Glad I became a customer.

Earth2moonbat,

Drop me a line. I'm out for now to go winter camping with my Boy Scouts.

Rayra,

Get well soon, if the injury was recent.

#144 texanista

That would be software based RAID. RAID1 will mirror just fine but without the striping of RAID5 which increases read/write performance. I think the software version sacrifices performance. Better to pay more and use SCSI320's.

Bob 's Kid,

Ok, this is as good a time as any to announce my new funding initiative. Any time someone says "get a mac", the poster must deposit into my paypal account, one US dollar. Given the number of times that this phrase is posted, I should have enough to purchase one in, oh, 5 to 6 weeks.

As other posters have already intimated, virus and security problems by and large and not a function of hardware. They are a function of software and distribution thereof. (Actually I am at a loss to explain why Mac users claim to be great supporters of Open computing, yet won't buy "open" hardware. I guess they love the idea of non-proprietary products only if it comes in a Santa Monica designed, overpriced, underpowered body.)

And BTW, I believe the saying "Pride goeth before fall," seems to be operative here. The first Mac virus is old news by now, and I am willing to bet all that cash in my new funding initative that succesive iterations are on the way. It won't be soon before arrogant Mac users boot-up one day to see their drives trashed.

"But, but, I bought a Mac? That can't happen! NO! It can't happen! "

[SOUND OF MAC USER'S HEAD EXPLODING]

An even funnier coming event will involve viruses and the iPod.

#150 OODA Loop

Dude, I *am* Aaron, and our site hasn't been at HostingMatters for a year and two months.

I was not aware that you'd changed webhosts (or your nic). My apologies.

*tip-toes away...*

150 OODA Loop

Hi Aaron. Although your site (internet haganáh) is no longer at Hosting Matters, people mentioned it, and so I took a look at it and bookmarked it. Some good comes out of even stupid DDoS attacks.

:)

This is obviously an evil plot by the evil minions and the evil mastermind KKKarl Rove to discredit Those Who Work for Peace^TM by making them look like mindless juvenile delinquents who have nothing better to do than support the terrorist cause by censoring non-dhimmi media.

Oh, wait a minute.

(This message brought to you by Operation Indy-Borg. Your check's in the mail.)

#162 Rayra

For what it's worth, I heard a really good radio show the other night about people looking to have elective surgery and how exercise before and preparing the body makes a person heal much faster. You probably already know that, but anyway...

#167 jlfintx

For what it's worth, I heard a really good radio show the other night about people looking to have elective surgery and how exercise before and preparing the body makes a person heal much faster. You probably already know that, but anyway...

Yep, I'll keep that in mind if I ever go in to have elective surgery. I'll get really buff first so that if I should expire in surgery, I can wear my smallest blue jeans for the viewin' (I haven't convinced my husband that I'd just as soon be cremated and mixed in with the compost so I can make the garden grow. He said he wasn't sure if he could ever eat homegrown 'maters again, and was there anything else in that compost pile he ought to know about?)

A friend of mine wasn't even sure that she wanted to have a funeral when she died.

Her attitude was "hey, if they didn't get around to seeing me while I was alive, why should I bother seeing them after I'm dead?"

#170 Rayra

Far from my first time under the knife. And repeated major injuries (other knee, ruptured disc in back, crushed righ hand, damage to right shoulder) are what left me reduced to hiking in the hills for exercise - which led to me breaking my leg/ankle :)

Damn, sounds like why I've all but given up ridin' up horses for recreation. Sucks to get out of bed on a cold morning, doesn't it?

Fortunately, ain't no hills here to hike on for exercise. Unfortunately I'll probably either get snapped up by a hungry gator, shot by a marijuana grower, or run over by one o' them retirees that navigates by hangin' their white cane out the window of the caddy.

Swmpwoman

LOL

got any Crawdad villages in your yard? The moccasins love hanging out in the tunnels...

#172 Bubble Girl

Swmpwoman

LOL

got any Crawdad villages in your yard? The moccasins love hanging out in the tunnels...

Nah, just mole crickets and actual moles (although the doberman has cut down on the mole population considerably...)

Just heard that my nephew has been hospitalized from a spider bite that occurred @ a week ago. Must have been a brown recluse.

Here is a list of other top sites hosted by Hosting Matters. If someone wanted to bring down the entire network instead of a specific site its not hard to see why. You'll notice lots of popular Righttie blogs and sites in that top 50. Of course it could be for a reason completely unrelated but it is an interesting theory.

#170 Rayra

Far from my first time under the knife. And repeated major injuries (other knee, ruptured disc in back, crushed righ hand, damage to right shoulder) are what left me reduced to hiking in the hills for exercise - which led to me breaking my leg/ankle :)

Was that a lumbar lamenectomy? Have had two myself and what a bad decision! Of course last was 1992 and I wonder if there is new treatment that we could benefit from?

#168 Swampwoman

Yep, I'll keep that in mind if I ever go in to have elective surgery. I'll get really buff first so that if I should expire in surgery, I can wear my smallest blue jeans for the viewin'

Ah, come on SW-we know you are already buff!

#170 Rayra

BTW, what do you do to get all those injuries? Professional merc or something? Can't be that unlucky.

#176 jlfintx

Ah, come on SW-we know you are already buff!

When the temp hits in the 90s, I am generally buff. In the wintertime, however, I get to indulge my genius for baking pies, cakes, breads, various roast beasts, and I looove standing rib roast, yorkshire pudding (made with double the beef fat mwwwahahahahahaha) and beer cheese soup. I usually hit the weights and start puttin' on miles @ March.

I am straining to button my fat jeans after this holiday season, though. (No, I will NOT buy a larger size.) Sure hope I don't die until I lose the weight. Do they liposuction corpses?

Swampwoman you are killing me. Please don't talk about all that food or you will hear me getting fatter. I plan on getting back to shape for 40 something soon as well, but I need help to not just get larger and larger.

Powweb sez they were dealing with a dos attack last night, too. I don't know what blogs are on Powweb, but the attack doesn't seem to be isolated to one host.

#180-181 Rayra

The hamlets near our vacation place on the Kern River in the Sierra Nevadas (south

Ah oh, now I have that Merle Haggard song playing in my head-"I'll never swim Kern River again..."

I am too looking forward to something because I have bone spurs and did not get fusion and went back to manual labor for a while. I am paying the piper now and cold weather hurts like hell.

I know a day before seems like when it is going to hit and am so stiff and sore I can hardly move.

#180 Rayra

Same worry. The hamlets near our vacation place on the Kern River in the Sierra Nevadas (south end of Sequoia Forest) are the 'last stop for gas & groceries' for a slew of illegal pot farms. We hike those mountains, and have so far only once stumbled across some signs / plumbing. Quietly backed the hell out. Lot of them got burned out in the huge McNally forest-fire a couple summers ago.

Ummmhmmm. I USED to be a very enthusiastic hiker but decided I'd rather enjoy nature's beauty from inside a truck than inside a gator after I've been dismembered and the evidence (my remains) fed to the gators. I do enjoy my trips out west, though. I love hikin' where it's easier to see somebody sneakin' up on you.

#173 SwampWoman

Brown Recluse? Does it look like a giant bullseye? Hope he's doing better...

Swampwoman,

Lost of people fall off cliffs out here, sunstroke, heatstroke, snake bite, or think their SUV's can go really fast off road just like the Jeep Certified Trail bullshit. Or climb rocks when they've never climbed anything, ski and snowboard into trees, rocks...

I actually know a screenwriter in Hollywood who went out to Colorado this fall. He and his buddies were parachuting from the top of the Royal Gorge Canyon to the bottom, his parachute didn't open. He lived. MORON...

#186 Bubble Girl

Lost of people fall off cliffs out here, sunstroke, heatstroke, snake bite, or think their SUV's can go really fast off road just like the Jeep Certified Trail bullshit. Or climb rocks when they've never climbed anything, ski and snowboard into trees, rocks...

Yeah, I loved hikin' the sonora desert in Arizona. I broke every single freakin' hiking rule there was and would kick my kids butts if they ever did anything like it. I never told anybody where I was going but it was usually on a really deserted part of the res. I went in the summertime when the temp was @ 120 or so (but I wore long sleeves and a big hat and a .38). I DID carry lots of water. Hot plastic-flavored water sure can taste good. After awhile, I didn't even bother with a compass. I would be up and down hills/small mountains and would climb across the last hill at about the time I would be ready to leave, and there would be my truck. (I let my subconscious guide me; I don't really need an alarm clock unless I've taken antihistamines or some alcoholic beverages. Yep on the rock climbing, too, but nothin' too dangerous when I was alone. )

I never really believed it until I was out there, but you really CAN smell water from a long way way.

I surely do miss Arizona, but reckon that now I'm middle-aged maybe my skin is better off in a more humid environment.

#185 Bubble Girl

Brown Recluse? Does it look like a giant bullseye? Hope he's doing better...

He got a plantation saddle out of the tack room last Saturday to take back up to Georgia; I haven't seen him since and don't know what the bite looks like. He is diabetic, though, and the only reason I can think of for somebody to be hospitalized for a week-old spider bite would be necrotic tissue, and the only spider I can think of that does that would be the brown recluse. I don't really use the tack room as such any more; I keep a few bags of feed in there and the only other things in there are saddles and recluse spiders hiding under the saddles. (I hope he got bit up in Georgia; I think he got bit in HIS feed room before he came down to get the saddle.)

Swampwoman -

Recluse bites can be hard to treat, luckily he probably did get bit in his feed room (ahhuh) than in your Tack Room.

you are right about the sun, humidity is the way to go for the skin, it's usually not much higher than 11%, I can tell when it gets all the way up to 15% -LOL, not like your 150%...