The "screw them" democrats would never cheat or intentionally commit fraud? would they?

Was there massive Democratic vote fraud in Milwaukee?

Hell no! Bush stole Ohio.

Democrats? Fraud? What else? In free fall I tell ya...
We need a second political party..

Islamic leaders call for war and Democrats cheat in elections.

Sadly, just a typical day.

people, people, people

when the democrats committ election fraud, it's not fraud

its...

are you ready for this

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#3

I agree, including PA...these creeps need to be stopped before it screws up our republic...

But I thought only the Republicans would try to rig the vote in order to get Bush elected (not reelected, as we know Gore won the first vote)? I mean, after all, the Democrats had the election in the bag and didn't need to cheat. Only the Republicans, who didn't have a chance in Hell of winning. Don't you read Kos or DU? They have all the answers!

/Moonbat mode off

Um, I haven't followed the links yet, but isn't Milwaukee the place where the son of a Democrat congressman vandalized and disabled the cars and vans Republicans had rented to help get out their voters?

This could be really serious. If enough votes were, erm, dealt with creatively, that could actually have meant swinging the state.

Laverne, Shirley, Lenny, Squiggy: Give Carmine da Big Ragoo a call and have him do some housecleaning over at the polling precincts in Beertown.

Um, King County?

Being caught up in the middle of one of the worst examples of incompetence/fraud/criminal behavior here in Washington State, it is really hard for me to screw up my astonishment over yet more Liberal/Democratic shenanigans regarding election fraud. For this group of morally bankrupt idiotarions to once again try to explain their criminal acts by accusing everyone else for the act is beyond my ability to accept. All this shrill denunciation of Conservatives will do is drive even more people to see the shallowness and criminality of those who profess to care about us. BAH! All they care about is their cold, clammy grasp on power.

Liberalism is indeed dying out, but remember a wounded animal is most dangerous. This is the Left's last gasp at revolution and coup upon our Country and our Republic.

OT But DANG I just hurl at the sound of Rivera's voice!

AAARRRGGG!

Another play straight out of the Democratic "Win at Any Cost" playbook.

People, we need to wake up and smell more than the capacchino. Elections are being stolen under our noses.

And I thought the "Motor Voter" thing in California was dangerous.

"Was there massive Democratic vote fraud in Milwaukee?"

Whoever asked that question deserves the village idiot of the year award. How do you think the democrats win any election? Fairly & honestly? You've got to be out of your mind! By definition: If any democratic candidate won an election, then there had to have been fraud. It's so simple once you figure it out. Ocam's razor rules! Heh.

I love this.

There is clear evidence of tampering in Ohio. But, that's a non-issue. No, I am not saying it would change the outcome of the election. but if anyone on this blog had to wait for 8 hours in line, they would be screaming bloody murder. But that's a non-issue; the Democrats are poor losers.

Denial is a wonderful thing.

Now back to your paranoid delusions of persecution.

Since the Presidential election still consists of 51 different elections, it is up to the individual states to deal with this problem. Reforms that need to happen would be ending all poll place registrations, end early voting and require id before voting. The only national reform that I would support would be for a national voter database that would ensure that nobody is registered in more than one district. I would also support having to re-register once every 4 years, and get rid of the motor-voter ridiculousness.

to #17 HS

what clear evidence is there from Ohio ?
even Dan Rather has not found fit to have 60 Minutes do a story

but even "if" the lines were 8 hours in, say Cleveland
who the flock do you think runs THAT county anyway ?

the freakin' democrats
just like Florida's butterfly ballots
who is responsible, the democrats
perhaps if they weren't so consumed with winning at any cost (aka cheating) then maybe they be better organized and things would run better and perhaps even...honest (gasp!)

Of course there was massive voter fraud... all over the United States, perpetrated by the Democrats.

This is why BDS is at an all time high; the deranged KNOW how badly they were really beat, and it's by a far bigger margin than 3 million. Even with all of their best efforts to steal the election (both in 2000 and 2004), they still managed to lose, this time, even worse as people mobilized to ensure their votes really did count.

As the Washington State Governers' election goes to court, it may seem like the issue has gone away. Nothing can be further from the truth. It will work its' way through the courts, and the news on the national level will become sporadic.

Lest anyone think that locals have lost interest, rest assured that we haven't. Two different talk radio stations have had two different 3-hour programs with wall-to-wall coverage of this issue since November. It isn't stopping. People are livid. Something like 40% of democrats want a revote. One of two things will happen:

1. The court will order a revote:
The donk will go down in flames, because of the shenanigans that her party and its activists engaged in.

2. The court doesn't order a revote.
The donx will all go down in flames (except, of course for the ones from Seattle) in 2006. Remember 1994?

In addition, there are some complaints filed with the U.S. attorneys office which could possibly result in federal involvement and investigation.

Rest assured that this is not going away.

Ferris:

That would be Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde, also known as Supreme Solar Allah, the son of newly elected Dem Congresswoman Gwen Moore. Crap, she is my newly elected Congresswoman.

Supreme Solar Allah (SSA) was arrested along with a Democratic party "activist" (read: thug) named Opel Simmons. The son of former Milwaukee mayor Marvin Pratt was also involved.

And they got a little slap on the wrist.

Well, you didn't think the Milwaukee Democratic establishment was actually going to really investigate this, did you?

It's amazing (well, not really) how little was reported about this in the local media. And voter fraud? I'm glad some bloggers are on this story because I have heard next to nothing about it from other sources.

Well, that's what's become of the Democratic party these days. The only way they can win is with dead or nonexistant voters, because live voters with working brain cells are deserting them in droves.

what clear evidence is there from Ohio ?
even Dan Rather has not found fit to have 60 Minutes do a story

OK, I'll come clean. At my polling place in Ohio, I took the form into the voting booth. I marked the form for 'George W. Bush'. I then called out to the precinct workers - "Look it's a solar eclipse! No, it's actually Michael Moore!". While they were distracted, I ran off to Kinko's and made 118,456 copies of the ballot. I then snuck back into the polling place and turned in the 118,457 ballots. Surprisingly the poll workers didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. I guess they assumed I was a Democrat.

WAY OT:

I got invited to the Presidential Inauguration. I got the letter today in the mail. Very cool stuff. I told my boss i am taking next Thursday off. He was so happy and proud of me.

I am excited!

for simply the sake of fair elections it might be time for a national id system

it tracks you from birth to death and ensures you do not vote in more than one state, county, precinct, etc. and that once you die your "number" is indeed retired

simple...

#25 Adrenalyn 

I am all for that. I have NOTHING to hide.

Where is everyone? Golden Globes Time I guess...

errr..."Screw THEM"!

#23 ajackson

wasn't Ohio or at least Cuyahoga County the one that had a butterfly type ballott where Kerry had the punch spot next to his name but GWB was about 3 linear inches away, making it really tough to vote for him
unless you were REALLY paying attention ?

#24 Andrew
Hey I'll see you there! I am tres excited too!
Was invited to go as a volunteer but then get invited vis a vis a big Morgan Stanley macha! awesome seats
Shuttling to Reagan CAN NOT WAIT!

#23 ajackson

LMFAO...Too EFFING funny.

THIS FOLLOWING RAN A WEEK BEFORE THE ELECTION:

Ohio Gov. Taft: Four Counties Have More Registrants than Eligible Voters

Appearing on CNN's American Morning program Tuesday, Ohio's Republican Governor Bob Taft painted a disturbing picture of widespread vote fraud in his state.

Taft told CNN's Bill Hemmer that in four Ohio counties, more people have registered to vote than live in those counties and are of voting age.

"We have four counties where you have more voters registered than you have 18 and over population," Taft said. [More below...]

Taft noted the role of Democrat 527 groups who have inflated Ohio's voter registeration rolls.

"We've had a lot of fraudulent voter registrations already, mostly by those 527 groups. There will be unprecedented scrutiny of this election on both sides," he said. Taft noted that many of these new registrations appear to be fraudulent.

"A lot of these voters don't have addresses," he said of the new registrations. "When they send the postcard out to them, after they register, that comes back undeliverable. You're talking about thousands of cases like that all across the State of Ohio."

Taft says he hopes the heightened level of scrutiny will lead to "an accurate count for the State of Ohio."

Taft said vote monitors will seek to "make sure that a voter is a citizen, 18 and over, and a resident of the precinct and county where they plan to vote."

#25 Adrenalyn

and that once you die your "number" is indeed retired

Government can't even purge the voter rolls of dead people (witness King county). What makes you think that we can trust them to retire id numbers? Especially when they have a market value. And vote fraud value.

I'm afraid to say this, but I think that a biometric is the only way we can really make this monkey proof.

#3 bigel

I agree too.

#17 hs

8 hours sounds like revisionism at its best. I followed that whole story closely and no one claimed anything close to that number. Democrats WANTED people to stand in line so that they could have something to whine about later. Do you think for a minute that Democrat leaders in highly Democratic districts couldn't get more voting machines to impacted polling places if they really wanted to? If you don't think they could, then you are an idiot.

The London-based rag that pleaded to the people of Ohio to vote for Kerry pissed off a large segment of the population, that's why Kerry lost so big.

While I'm at it, if you compare Wisconsin to Ohio, Bush killed Kerry by a mile. Wisconsin was the closest (percentage wise) race in the nation, now it looks like Bush really won the state like the Republicans were projecting.

#29 AtlasShrugged

I am PSYCHED! I think I'll drive down from NYC. Maybe we should get together down there? WOW! That would be great! All the LGFers getting together for the day. TRES COOL.

BTW: Is anyone listening to Drudge now? Very good stuff.

Just in case you wanted to listen to Drudge...

Drudge Live

#28 Adrenalyn -

Ohio was the place where a guy working for the Democrats submitted new voter registrations for Mary Poppins and Dick Tracy. For his efforts, he was paid with crack cocaine.

earth2moonbat

a biometric ?

well, you're on to something but why not start with say a fingerprint when you vote

the FBI supposedly has a dandy program for recognizing them and could likely be used as a first step

now, for those of you out there opposed to this intrusion
might I suggest that the print is not linked to a name EXCEPT and unless it appears to have voted more than once

#25 Adrenalyn

for simply the sake of fair elections it might be time for a national id system

it tracks you from birth to death and ensures you do not vote in more than one state, county, precinct, etc. and that once you die your "number" is indeed retired

We already have a National ID card, the infamous SSN. You can hardly do a thing now without it nowadays. You can't get a job, open a bank account, buy a house, be in the Military, get a driver's license, without knowing what your SSN is. And look at all the fraud with Social Security going on. Why not just enforce the laws and identification methods already available instead of dreaming up some new form of tyranny.

Semi-OT:
The other day I was directed to a USA People Search by Yahoo search, and decided to do a search on myself for fun. The next thing I knew I had ALL the cities I lived in for the last 15 years, with an offer to pay $40 for more information, such as addresses and such. So anyone think they are not being tracked already just think again.

And for the record, here is USA People Search. Try a search on your yourself and be surprised how much public information there is on you.

Where the fuck is the Justice Department? Bush seems so desirous of a few illegal Mexicans voting for him that he is willing to allow massive Democratic voter fraud all across the country. Get real. Failure to enforce laws only encourages more such behavior. It seems clear that the Democratic party is now becoming a party of thugs leading gullible simpletons. Bush's appeasment will be paid for by our blood.

19-RE:8hr line to vote. There is something wrong with the precincts in that county. The precincts need to be drawn smaller. Or conversely if a resident knows that lines are long for some reason, then vote by absentee ballot. In most jurisdictions, they can be requested from the registrar of voters for that county assuming state lawa permits.

This is what Demonrats do these days. They fraudulently stole the 1960 presidential election, and they have tried to steal the last two. They stole the governor's election in Washington. Then they accuse us, the honest side, of trying to do what they really DO try to do.

Push hard for election reform that requires an ID to vote and a check to see if the voter is registered elsewhere. Otherwise the evil Demonrats will steal anything that isn't nailed down by fraudulent votes and "recounts" (read "Democratic post-election ballot box stuffing").

The Demonrats have become their very own Axis of Evil.

The Democrat's Creed - Every vote must be counted regardless of race, religion, ethnicity, metabolism (or lack thereof), sexual orientation, or citizenship. Unless you're in the military.

Was there massive Democratic vote fraud in [insert any large American urban center]?

"Democratic vote fraud" is redundant.

In yiddish there is an expression:
En tuh goniff brent a hittle
translation: On the Thief, the hat burns

and so it goes, the Dems were up to their eyeballs in voter fraud. I say all new voting machines (electronic) is a good thong, less chad interpretations.

Clean up the voter rolls! Get those dead Indians off the South Dakota voter rolls. Yes yes I was sending Thune a check every week (and I'm a New Yorker!) I believe that Bush won by far more than the 4 million on record

to #38 Furryoldguyjeans

well, I looked myself up and it DOES find me in my current location

USSEARCH.com is one I have seen and it does not yet find me

but the one you mentioned...dang...

it found me alright

but both searches have some flaws
they list me as 47 and as 104 and were I that advanced age I would likely care only about waking up the next day and not about nazicrat voting fraud

also, plain old google search finds me too

re: Id cards---Millions of us are tracked thru use of credit cards and now perhaps debit cards. When someone is kidnapped, the credit cards are checked to see where the criminal might be.

In LA, a caller on a talk radio show said that the SS cards that have imprinted, "Not for an employment' can be fixed. She said get a new pair of Blue jeans. Wash the Jeans w/ the SS card in the pocket. The SS card turns color, but the words "not for employment are faded out.

Perhaps the Social Security card should be modelled after the Permanent REsident Card, with a photo and machine-readable features, birthdate, SSN, blood-type, organ-donation ok,etc.
We are all being tracked anyway. The Alien resident card or Permanent Resident Card is a good model for what the SS card could be. While we are at it, new law should be passed that only a couple renewals for Permanent Resident Cards. Then people have to leave or finish becoming a citizen.

I may live in a hick county in Indiana but at least we can vote without effing things up. sheesh.

The Dems maybe sorry they started this whole election fraud thing. What goes around, comes around.

Pah. As a left of lgf person (not particularly lefty, either) reading these comments, this sure seems like "takes one to know one" material. Massive Democratic vote fraud across the United States (in the 2004 election)? Do you have the slightest evidence for this? Evidence better than the donkey "evidence" of massive Republican fraud? The Milwaukee case is interesting and should be investigated deeply. So should all such allegations, some of which allege Republican fraud.

This is an area where we could have true bipartisan consensus, since concerns about fraud are deep in both the left and right camps. Compromise even, like id cards & allowing voting day registration (perhaps using the address on the ID card). Banning of recount-proof voting machines (allowing machines with a paper trail). Biometrics, I get a little concerned about, because we know they would be linked into the law enforcement computers in an eyeblink, and government is not always in benign hands. Maybe temporary laser tatoos on people who have voted would be good (don't forget the 666 :-)

Wasn't Milwaukee the city where they caught dem operatives (many) paying 'homeless' people cartons of cigs to vote for algore in 2000? It got a little airplay, but was squashed by the 'cheatin' in Florida'.

A serious question: Are there ANY verifiable stories of Republican cheating during the last 2 elections? I have not seen any, and I'm sure that the MSM would be trumpeting it if there were. This situation of dems cheating is becoming commonplace and almost accepted as the norm (calling maypor daly). It's all one sided.

It's like the dems have a 5% built in with the press coverage and a 5% built in with the vote cheating. Then that noxious bag'o shite kennedy gets up and says how the dems really DO represent the majority of Americans...
I just hope the R's in Wisconsin don't let this one slide. It's not like letting this issue go to avoid making people mad will actually win over the moonbats. Make'em mad, make'em stand up and support vote fraud, let people see who they really are. Enough is enough.

I am an elections official, and frankly I am astonished at what I read about Wisconsin, Penn., Fla., King County, Wa. WHERE THE FUCK IS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, THIS IS A FEDERAL ELECTION. ARREST BOTH DEMS AND REPS WHO CHEAT.

Speaking of Democrats, Ted Kennedy has declared on "Face the Nation" that Iraq is Bush's Vietnam. Here's a money quote:

"Ultimately, we have to ask ourselves this very basic question. And that is, is the face of the United States part of the liberation and security and the stability in that country, or are we a force that is perceived to be expanding the kind of uncertainty and savagery and revolution that's taking place there?"

Boy, if this broke a few days ago, Kennedy would have a real chance at the Fiskie by a (not that big of a) surprise upset.

Was there massive Democratic vote fraud in Milwaukee?

Does a bear sleep in the woods?

#52CY. The only people who care what Teddy says work for CBS or are paid to try to get this pig an erection. I know staffers who consider him cooked.

49 Bill Arnold

How about a dem judge leaving polls open in St. Louis in ONLY inner city Dem precinct hours after they were supposed to close? Ashcroft lost by a very small margin.

Washington State governors race...

Milwaukee 'homeless' vote buying...

Additional ballots in Milwaukee, more that the number of voters...

4 precincts in Ohio (urban) with more 'registered' voters than people of the age to vote...

Boxes of 'found' ballots in NM election...

Florida SC ignoring the law to support gore in 2000...

In every close election, there always seems to be some abnormality in dem (read urban) districts.

These are a few that I can remember late at night, there are lots more examples out there.

Again I ask, does anyone have any strories about Republican vote fraud? And don't bring up Florida, every count came up for Bush, including the journalists.

I am dumbfounded that ANYONE allows our system to be manipulated in the way it has been. There should be no greater issue to the sanctity and security of this nation than the principle of freedom. The entire notion of this freedom is based ont he fact that our government is ruled BY THE PEOPLE! Er go- BY OUR VOTES! Before taxes, social security, tort reform, etc, etc,... there is the right to vote and have fair and free elections. OUR RIGHT TO DECIDE ON OUR GOVERNING (ELECTED) OFFICIALS! This should be PARAMOUNT BEFORE ALL OTHER ISSUES! ANY AND ALL FRAUD SHOULD BE TREATED AS TREASON- PERIOD!

oh- AND NOT TO MENTIONT THAT EVERY MEASURE POSSIBLE SHOULD BE TAKEN TO SAFEGARD OUT ELECTORIAL PROCESS! EVERY MEASURE! THIS INCLUDES REGISTERING IN A TIMELY MANNER AND SHOWING ID WHEN VOTING!

#51

Yes, let's arrest the cheaters. And let's also arrest government officials who use unsavory language on public weblogs unnecessarily, and who post in all caps. Please!

Voter fraud is a cancer that eats at the core of the Republic. All those suspected of voter fraud (the dead, the vote early/vote often, the New York/Mami crowd, etc.) should be prosecuted to the utmost of law, regaurdless of party affiliation. Shame on those Repulicans of power who do not meet the Democrat's chalenge. Your spineless and cowardly inactivity will contribute greatly to the downfall of the Republic!

#46 Adrenalyn

well, I looked myself up and it DOES find me in my current location

but both searches have some flaws
they list me as 47 and as 104 and were I that advanced age I would likely care only about waking up the next day and not about nazicrat voting fraud

When I ran the search on myself, I found multiple ages as young as 27 and as old as 87, which means that there are lots of people with my real, mundane name. I don't know if I should be happy, sad, or mad to be one of many. But the one that had my current age listed all States I had lived in for over 15 years, including the time I was a member of the US Navy. Just a bit humbling and scary how easy one's life can be deconstructed from all the myriad data bits floating around in computers.

Given the millions of illegal aliens with bogus drivers licenses, Social Security cards and other IDs, not counting the valid drivers licenses some states hand out willy-nilly to people who violate immigration laws, a drivers license is not enough identification for voting. Only citizens and legal residents (not even tourists!) should be eligible for drivers licenses. For those on a visa, expiration date should be date of visa expiration.

Abolish "Motor Voter" and require in-person registration with identification, proof of citizenship and proof of residence no later than 30 days before elections. Mail out voter info and purge the rolls of those with returned mail due to "Deceased," "No such address," etc. prior to election day.

Require ID at polling places. (Here in CT, ID is required at polling place. As a pollworker in the last election, it was no problem, not time consuming, in fact, it speeds up finding the voter on the rolls to have their proper name spelled out in front of you!)

Motor Voter passed despite concerns raised about the potential for fraud. Dems pushed it, knowing its potential for fraud.

"Everyone" does not have the right to vote. Only mentally-competent adult citizens do. And since a requirement of citizenship is the ability to speak, read, comprehend English, there should be no ballots in foreign languages -- English only.

This whole voter fraud mess is disgusting and an insult to every citizen. It's also a disgrace to the country that launched democracy in the modern world and promotes its virtues.

48 Terrye

I may live in a hick county in Indiana but at least we can vote without effing things up. sheesh.

Same way in the southern part of the state. We'uns are smart enough to black out a circle on a piece of paper.

JohnCV,
Some of those probably merit investigation (by law enforcement). Many of the allegations by donkeys had to do with voter suppression, e.g. the registration forms allegedly destroyed in Nevada (if they were democrat), the attempts to move polling places 3 weeks before the election in Philadelphia, and yes, the very long lines in high turnout urban precincts in Ohio (some people surely went home, rather than vote). Also, the South Dakota absentee ballot fraud case ([Link: keloland.com...] The allegations that most/all "mistakes" benefited Bush nationwide. "GOP Marketplace" phone line jamming in new hampshire 2002. Odd and fraudulent calls to voters in Ohio telling people their precinct had changed. I don't collect these things, this was just a quick google search.

2000 florida BvG was a statistical tie, as was Washington state 2004, and these should be decided by some other means than lawyers in my opinion.

(There are stories, don't know how plausible, that Nixon 1960 didn't contest the election because he knew of republican vote fraud in southern illinois.)

Democrats cheat? Nooo! Never!

Being a "Cheesehead" myself, I can tell you there were several screwy things going on during the campaign. Here's one that did get mentioned on Rush's show...Voter drive using kids draws fire

Brings a whole new meaning to the No Child Left Behind Act

Here's a thought I had to ensure only legitimate people are allowed to vote. Have it tied to filing a valid IRS income tax return.
Even if someone has no earned income or tax liabilty for the past year, he still must file a form with the IRS. Then he would be issued a voter registration card, with his current address sent to him by return mail. If he moves to a different state within a year he would be required to vote by absentee ballot to the state of his last filed IRS Tax Return. I think it would eliminate duplicate registration voter fraud, not to mention convited felons or anyone who tries to avoid paying taxes.

What do you think? The infrastructure is already in place. How much easier could it be?

#66

Could be necessary, but not sufficient. My minor daughters file tax returns. Ex-felons also may have to. Dead people have to. And people could file more than once.

But it could be part of the requirement to register, provided it's constitutional.

We have about a dozen different examples of vote fraud in WA.

Dead voters, felons, double voters, unregistered, registered at the wrong address, provisional ballots unreviewed, 1800 more ballots than voters...

Best place to read about it: Sound Politics.

#23 ajackson:

ROFL!

#67 Brooklyn Jon

But my thoughts were centered on the fact that people who file tax returns have to provide info that establishes their age, or the date they died, and most "criminals" or illegals would avoid paying taxes, thus would not even file the forms. Would also eliminate the mad rush that causes so much voter registration fraud.

#9

Yes it was. The son of the newly elected demo legislator and the son of a top demo who just lost out in the mayorial election were arrested on vandelizing the 30 plus vans rented to take elderly repubs to the pols. 70 plus days later no charges from the major dem city DA, who thought that Jeffery Dahmer was misunderstood.

If Ohio did not go Bush's way, the Milwaukee fraud alone would have given Kerry the presidency.

Mark Belling who sometimes sits for Rush broke the story on Friday. No coverage in the Milwaukee Journal newspaper - pro Kerry sluts.

I'm not sure if I have the words to adequately express my frustration after reading this thread, but I feel like I have to take a shot.

1 - For those of you who bothered to read the Boots & Sabers account of this situation, you will notice that the cited evidence did not include involvement by either party, it was simply a high proportion of same-day registrations that cannot be verified. Logically, this evidence is equally supportive of fraud by either party. Despite B&S's article, one could just as likely conclude that the Wisconsin election was only close because Republicans cheated, but ultimately failed. Somehow, though, everyone here considers this to be Democratic fraud. So let's be honest here, your outrage here is not based on evidence, but rather on preconceived notions that Democrats cheat during elections.

2 - This preconceived notion isn't exactly scientific. Your belief that one party tends to cheat during elections is based on anecdotal evidence, for which there has been no conclusive proof. But you have to agree that there are allegations of Republican fraud as well. Of all these allegations, what makes you decide to side with the Republicans? Has there been some study done counting the number of allegations on each side? A study assessing the validity?

3 - The hilarious (and somewhat sad) part of this, is that I could change the party names on this thread, change the state, and it would be identical to something I would expect to read on Kos. Each side is absolutely convinced that the other constantly cheats, that there is some massive shadow organization out there nefariously disrupting democracy. I feel like I'm watching a kids soccer game with a bunch of 12 year olds on each side bitching about how the ref is giving all the calls to the other team.

Each side is ABSOLUTELY convinced that the other side is clearly cheating. Somehow the same flow of information has created completely contrary viewpoints. Viewpoints that are clung to like a drowning man to a rope. You sink your claws into any story that might possibly support your side, and you dismiss contrary evidence as liberal whining, or use the cute phrase 'Sore-Loserman'. If you stop being blindly partisan for about 30 seconds, you will realize that your position is indefensible.

If there are voting irregularities in Wisconsin, of course they should be investigated. However, in case you can't wait that long, let me give you my prediction of the results. I guess that there will be inconclusive evidence, so the vote will be upheld. I also guess that Republicans will remain convinced that the Democrats cheated, and for the next ten years will cite this as evidence of liberal election fixing. My prediction for Ohio is the same, but the Democrats will be doing the whining.

I think its high time both sides recognized that the evidence isn't supportive of a vast vote fixing conspiracy. And as disappointed as this might make you, there is no evidence that proves definitively that one side is more predisposed to cheat than the other. I realize that some of you might be tempted to post a list of all the situations where you believe the Democrats cheated, thinking that this will somehow prove your point. However, you should realize that a liberal could produce an equally impressive list of anecdotes. Before you get upset and start spitting insults at me, please actually think about what evidence you have that supports your point. I think that careful introspection will reveal that your deep-seated belief stands on very shaky ground.

OH MY GOD! KERRY SOLE THE ELE...

Oh wait, I forgot. Kerry got his ass KICKED by over 3 MILLION F'ING VOTES.

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Got that? 75,000 people in a city of 600,000 were not registered to vote on the day of the election, so they registered at the the polls.

You know, I was surprised that Kerry did better in Wisconsin then Gore did in 2000. Maybe this is why.

Of course this is the city where the son of a Democratic congresswomen disabled a large number of cars to be used by Republicans to take people to the polls. And this was done just hours before the polls opened.

Hey, how come none of this is being talked about in MSM?

no evidence that proves definitively that one side is more predisposed to cheat than the other

Same for the documents?

Same for Washington state?

Same for Florida 2000?

Who are we going to believe? You ?

Or ... our own lying eyes.

Maybe we can give Tubbs-Jones a one way ticket to Milwaukee. Or wherever hs lives since they obviously share similar delusions.

Hey, how come none of this is being talked about in MSM?

What, the MSM investigate felonious election fraud on the part of the Democrats instead of whining about how much Bush is spending on his inauguration? Surely, you jest.

That's like asking Michael Jackson's PR flack to investigate why his bathroom contains 400 back issues of Highlights magazine with the pages stuck togather.

stanley fatmax,

what's that saying?

me thinks thou does protest too much?

I do think, thank you very much. And I do think there's something fishy going on.

I can't tell you how frustrated I am that half the nation complains, whines, degrades, hates, expects to be "taken care of" and sets aside everything this republic stands for, sacraficed for, and has occomplished; just because they like and need to whine , rebel and wallow in fear 24/7.

Sheesh.

I am shocked! Ha ha ha.

However an LLL that I know was appalled because she was asked for proof of identity on election day. She claimed this was like a poll tax or Jim Crow laws or something (she's white and live in a GOP area of a Democrat state). Yeah, I know irrational, but typical. When I pointed out one was required to show ID at Blockbuster to rent a video, she told me I "just don't understand." which I find is the typical LLL reaction. They bring this crap up make illogical statements but can't have a conversation or defend their views and dismiss everyone else as too stupid to understand the issue. Sigh...

Ever notice areas that have massive fraud are always DEMOCRAT areas with Democrat election officials. Even in Palm Beach which was a mess in 2000, Democrat incompetents caused the problems. In WA the magical mystery votes appeared in a democrat areas. Back in FL 2000 the same thing happened - votes turned up in an election worker's car. Areas that claim "suppression" are always Democrat areas. Anyone know of any bags of mystery votes appearing in Republlican controlled areas?

I lived in Milwaukee until this year. I remember in 2000 when they rounded up homeless people to vote Gore wth cigarettes and booze.

There is no doubt in my mind the state was stolen in both elections by electoral fraud in Milwaukee.

Anyone know of any bags of mystery votes appearing in Republlican controlled areas?

Republicans don't commit nearly the amount of fraud that Democrats do.

1.) Republicans don't control the large urban areas where fraud can be committed on a scale large enough to change election outcomes.

2.) The media would never let them get away with it. Face it, there's been more coverage of fantasy vote fraud in Ohio (where people having to wait in line is considered "disenfranchisement"), than there has been of much more sinister activity in Milwaukee and Seattle.

#72 stanley fatmax,
in the spirit of providing equal time to allegations of republican fraud, how about the nice long list at [Link: vote2004.eriposte.com...] (I won't vouch for its accuracy; it was just a hit found with a quick search.)

I actually agree with most of the LGFers that we the US need to take back the credibility of our elections, and that there needs to be a national debate on methods to do so. Some of the methods proposed here are non-starters, some might work, and there is a similar array of proposals on the democrat side. There are technical methods (like voting machines with a separate audit trail for recounts) that are party-neutral and that we could easily find legislative consensus on.

Democrats prefer vote fraud over disenfranhisement.

Republicans prefer disenfranchisement over vote fraud.

Its not like you couldn't see this coming. Do you remember that the City of Milwaukee's Mayor Tom Barrett (D) requested 938,000 ballots for the Nov. 2004 election. Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker (R) refused and ultimately agreed to provide 679,500 - in a town of 593,920!

Clearly Mayor Barrett was reasonable in anticipating a 114% turnout because in 2000 election, 245,670 votes were cast (41% of Milwaukee's then population of 596,974).

This is being investigated, although it will not be reported.

this from: [Link: www.620wtmj.com...]

You do the math:

The City of Milwaukee asked for 938,300 ballots for the November 2004 election
The Milwaukee County Election Commission proposed giving the city 574,105, but then increased that amount to a total of 679,500.

The total population in Milwaukee: 596,974 in 2000 and 593,920 in 2004
The total number of people who are of legal voting age in Milwaukee in 2004: 423,811

Total votes cast in 2000 fall election: 245,670
Total votes cast in 2002 fall election: 141,351 (pre-registration of 335,889).