Continued from the other thread: Our Oil $$$ at work...

Freedom of religion must not extend to those that would undermine the nation.

Do not become a naturalized citizen of the United States.

So how many of them are living here illegally, because visas and green cards don't last forever.

And this vitriol should surprise us because . . . ?

I'm glad I was sitting down when I read this, because this is a real shocka.

:^/

But we were so nice to the Saudis... Wha' habbin'?

But Saudi Arabia is an enlightened, pluralisitc nation. The New York Times said so.

The enemy within.

Time for mass raids of these mosques, criticism be damned. We're at war here.

Wait, am I supposed to believe that mosques are being used for purposes other than the spreading of peace and love, and tolerance to all?

Say it ain't so, Mo(hammed).

This reminds me of a mohammedan who once told me that feloow mohammedans in the US often thought it was wrong to pay taxes here. Many of these mohammedans were in businesses that took in a lot of cash and/or were self-employed, and I had no doubt that they fulfilled this part of what they saw as their islamic duty.

Nooo! I was under the impression they sat around and discussed the love of Jesus over medicinal tea. Jesus is one of their prophets, after all.

Hugh again:

Give war a chance. Real war, that is.

when Muslims are in the lands of the unbelievers, they must behave as if on a mission behind enemy lines.

Chilling. Outlaw this pathological death cult and deport its non-citizen adherents. Now.

and where do the saudis get their money to fund all this hate? who gives them more money than others?

Come on you can spell out the word: O-I-L

This is so sick. An evil cult that continues to grow within our borders.

#14 kelly, I hear the hardwood suppliers just discovered they ban together they have a monopoly and can start terrorizing us in just a few moments. 10,9,8,...

I wonder if the liberal half of SCOTUS thinks we should consider THESE foreign laws and opinions when interpreting the Constitution - as they do when ruling against things like the death penalty and 'gay rights'

At this point I really see no way out aside from a total war between democracy/freedom/Western-values and "Islam," however you want to define it. In documents like these, and plenty more we never see, and in their actions and words, they have declared war on us and everything we believe in. They will not stop until we stop them.

Will it be a new cold war, or a "hot war," or something else altogether? It may be too early to tell.

..that should be "...when ruling ON tings like..."

#2
noshariaincanada, you are a true patriot

The books need to be identified by name, the places where they are used identified by name in their local press, and public pressure put on the administrators of the schools to renounce and return or destroy them. Failure to do so must be described as implicit support of the doctrines described. Time for a bunch of letters to the editors of local papers.

These mosques are like little viruses infecting the body of the country.

But unfortunately, political correctiness is a national auto-immune disorder.

kelly (#14),

and where do the saudis get their money to fund all this hate?

Blame America first.

The Saudi's of course are perfectly innocent.

18, It wil be an ugly war, especially if only one side is fighting.

It's time our side became engaged.

#2 noshariaincanada  1/28/2005 12:30PM PST

Freedom of religion must not extend to those that would undermine the nation.

And who gets to decide when that is? Freedom of religion extends to all Americans. As does the 2nd Amendment ;-)

Yeah, well Christians do the exact same thing...

/obviously sarcasm

What else should we come expect from the nation that won't even allow anyone with an Israeli stamped passport to enter it's borders? It won't be surprising to watch the MSM ignore this report just like every other damning piece of evidence that shines a correct light on these lunatics...

What? ME...an infidel?

All of this name calling is starting to affect my self-image.

OT - But right on a previous topic

I send an email to Hamilton College, protesting Ward Churchill's upcoming appearance there, and got a reply today from the head of the foundation that's inviting him.

Here they are, posted on the previous thread.

Two things:
- How to let Charles know,
- What to do now to get the MAX benefit? ie, Mr. Churchill tarred and feathered, etc...

#25 LiveFreeOrDie

And who gets to decide when that is?

It's really pretty simple. When a 'religion' is a large-scale criminal conspiracy we pierce the veil of religion and attack it like any other criminal conspiracy. There is more than enough evidence the Wahhabis are nothing but a criminal syndicate.

When priests molest children we don't howl about freedom of religion. When Wahhabis plot to murder those who become apostates, we should have no qualms about deporting them - as the friendly option. I think there is more than enough evidence to declare Wahhabi Islam a terrorist organization, organized crime syndicate, and treat it accordingly.

Time to take out the Saudi bastards and their followers here in the U.S. We need a very, very hot war against these dangerously intolerant mo'fos.

Arab students were witnessed cheering the 9/11 attacks in a student lounge here at the local state university. You have never seen a quicker more polished cover-up of this event by the administrators of this college. Hush, Hush--we don't want the locals to know we have terrorist=loving scum on campus.

We know.

p.s. You know, I've often wondered why muslims who live in my apartment complex are so unfriendly...sometimes downright surly. If I don't speak first, they just look right through me.

They're doing the same in Thailand which is doubly sad given that the Thais are the most toerant people you could wish to find.

#18 zombie

Once Zarqawri came out in his last audiotape and detailed the mindset of the islamofascists in respect to Democracy - and called for total war - we have to respond in kind and accept that we are in a total / global war.

We can't make the same mistake in 1996 when UBL declared war on the US, and we didn't take it seriously until 9/11/01.

This publication can be considered an act of war by the Saudi government against the US - and we should stuff it right back at them - to the point of barring Saudi immigration to this country until the Saudi government stops promoting the overthrow of this government.

If a Christian tried to do this in Saudi Arabia, they'd chop off his head... Just thinking out loud...

#23 Geepers 

yes they get the very money they use to pay for the hate from our own citizens. Our nation is the single largest purchaser of their oil products.

Being the spoiled greedy mutts that they are they are, they are going to ensure that their own desires are paid for first. So if we reduce the money that these oil barons get then they in turn will be spending less on the hate material that they use against us. they will also be giving less money to the terrorists that want to buy radioactive material from the old soviet union to make their dirty bombs.

Check out the movie "Dirty War" that was just aired on HBO that was originally made by BBC.

yes a single gas guzzling pig does not make a difference but collectively we do. do you not remember your American History lessons about the revolutionary war and the colonists realizing that acting as a group they could defeat the british but alone they would not make a difference?

Money is a great thing and has driven our economy to become the greatest nation on earth. Reducing the money that goes to the arabs and their terrorism machine will reduce their opportunities to challenge us and kill our citizens both in uniform and out.

I can't wait to see the authorities spring into action using various hate crime legislation.

Waiting ...
Waiting ...

Must remember - don't hold my breath waiting. Such legislation is only used against evil kuffar white men.

"When priests molest children we don't howl about freedom of religion. When Wahhabis plot to murder those who become apostates, we should have no qualms about deporting them - as the friendly option. I think there is more than enough evidence to declare Wahhabi Islam a terrorist organization, organized crime syndicate, and treat it accordingly."

amen, amen, a 100 amens!

#25 LiveFreeorDie

I agree, except when that freedom crosses the line and becomes seditious. We need to revisit the Sedition Act.

The Blind Sheik Rahmann was convicted under the Sedition Act, and if needed, all imans / mullahs promoting Sedition in their mosques will need to stand trial and be either imprisoned or deported depending on their citizenship.

This is no different than freedom of speech not covering screaming FIRE in a crowded theater when no such danger / situation exists.

I'd do as Bush is doing with the Saudis: Hold our friends close and, if possible, our enemies even closer for, surely, the House of Saud is our enemy.

We are at war and our citizens should be expected to make sacrefices. In WWII the civilians were expected to not just drive less but consume many other products.

In this war its not much to expect that we all consume less oil and give less to our enemy.

Or do you people think that the only ones that should sacrifice are those in the military and their families?

Or possibly do you people believe that you are above and superior to those that do make sacrifices?

LiveFreeOrDie
"Freedom of religion extends to all Americans."

Was the Nazi doctrine a religion? How about the KKK? UMHO. islam is nothing more than a hate cult that should be eradicated.

#31 Beagle

I think there is more than enough evidence to declare Wahhabi Islam a terrorist organization, organized crime syndicate, and treat it accordingly."

The only recommendation I would add is that it is a cult, but that doesn't change my agreement with the recommendation.

Thank You Hollywood

"Any other reason for lingering among the unbelievers in their lands is illegitimate, and unless a Muslim leaves as quickly as possible, he or she is not a true Muslim and so too must be condemned."

He is one sentiment I hope they follow... please leave quickly and don't let the door hit you in the AS* on the way out.

The documents stress that when Muslims are in the lands of the unbelievers, they must behave as if on a mission behind enemy lines.

It all makes sense now. They're just playing dumb. My mistake.

#42 kelly

Will you please SHUT UP? By God you're tedious.

kelly (#14)

and where do the saudis get their money to fund all this hate? who gives them more money than others?

Come on you can spell out the word: O-I-L

Unfortunately the world cannot operate without oil so we're a little stuck on this point. But it's pretty sick that we're (and I mean the West here) are essentially funding the terrorism against us. It's a cruel twist of fate that the Saudis landed up with the oil. That's the head of the snake and it needs to be killed but we have to be careful not to commit suicide in the process.

Now that's a real "religion" of peace, love and tolerance, don't you think? Incidentially, so-called "Islamic law" is a joke in the Muslim world. For example, when a group of Arab bankers was asked about the Islamic prohibition against charging interest for, say, a residential mortgage loan, they laughed and responded, "It's a simple fix. We mark up the price of the house before we make the 'interest-free' loan. Or, we simply lease the house to the borrower, who, of course, never owns it."

So - Saudi Arabia is exporting its hate and idiocy to the US.

Is the MSM picking up on it? No.

What do we need for the MSM to wake up? Mutawa'een roaming the streets, arresting and brutalizing women for such horrible crimes as riding alone in a cab or going out to dinner? Women dying in fires because the mutawa'een won't let male non-family members rescue the women?

i am surprised that you can hear me over you cranked up stereo while you drive around in that hummer that you feed and in turn support the saudi terror machine.

...of course that should say... "HERE" is one sentiment...
I should have warmed my fingers before typing.

These hate filled comments are not remarkable except insofar as most Americans still are unaware, (though not as naive as they once were) of the way Islam can be used as an ideological attack on the US.
The only true solution is that we educate ourselves. It is not a waste of time to reiterate to each other that which we know to be true in these matters, but we must also take the time to read the very substantial literature by Islamists themselves and reinforce each other as a necessary step toward informing others.
My own interpretation of the foreign policy of GW Bush is one that I would have rejected at one time as too sophisticated to eb attributable to such a direct and simple (not simplistic) man. I now have come to see that there is remarkable sophistication in his approach, to wit:
Since the Bush administration refuses to label the entirety of Islam as a despicable and stupid conglomerate of near mindless haters (a description which actually has something to be said for it), he has offered an opening to those Muslims (and there are many) who want major change. He has at one time in the name of preserving the good in Islam, attacked the evil at its core without actually saying the problem is inherent in the religion.
Religious beliefs change in the minds and hearts of believers, not through external attacks, but through internal re-evaluations.
The changes many Muslims want are not so much religious as they are econo/political. Freedom is a strong attraction and it includes economic freedom. But people believe as they act. That is, actions in one own interest can fundamentally alter what may be assumed to be ones religio/ideological assumptions. Habits of freedom of thought and generosity, when they are institutionally supported are much easier to encapsulate in a society.
Tremedous changes are now nascently underway in a part of the world that has remained unchanged for hundreds of years.
Thos changes are all to our benefit. The old saw that commercial republics ruled through democratic institutions do not make war on each other is an old saw because it is true.
I do not believe that men are so basically good that good institutions will remove the need for personal morals. However, a lot less evil is done under good institutions than bad.
Expose, expose, expose, (with aopologies to Joe Hill) all that is wrong with Islam and at the same time support as strongly as possible that which is probably the most ambitious and certainly one of the most important foreign policy ventures in the history of our country.

#39 Buckaroo, and we actually howl about milestones, secure knots attaching it to the POS's neck; see if POS can swim with said milestone.

zulubaby 

you are correct that our economy can not stop consuming oil. However we can consume less and and in turn give less money to the saudis that pay for the very hate that they direct against us.

Just like in WWI and WWII, every little big makes a difference.

Where is the love?

#31 Beagle
Say on man! you are right ! It is past time to go after ROP
ROPMA *spit*

#32 Fore
The same thing was witnessed at MU in Columbia 9/11. the campus police quickly stopped the celebrating, before the news of what was going on spread far.

It's time we quit letting this ROP hide behind religion. It needs to be cut out of America as you would cut out any maligant cancer. ROP can FOAD!

#51 Cattt

What do we need for the MSM to wake up?

Well, what about a family murdered in cold blood by jihadis in New Jersey? Oh, I guess that won't wake up the MSM either.

I don't want this shit in my country at all.

#31 Beagle

I agree with you and we need to fight them here in this manner

#37 Kelly

in the previous thread (see#131), I proposed that our consumption rate is near its peak as evidenced by our own affluence...further, to reduce our consumption rate does little in this war...other buyers of Saudi oil will further their aim

remember, Saudis have little use for our dollars sitting in their banks...hence, they reinvest them...I don't know how much they actually invest in the US...should we threaten those assets in a response to these outrages?

Saudis out - now!

This may be the one point where I absolutely agree with Michael Moore - the Bush family and Administration are a damn sight too cozy with these Wahabbis.

We should have gone after Saudi first, then Iraq. Of course, we may still go after Saudi. As long as we do I won't complain about which order it happens in.

This is the premier terror exporter and enabler state in the world. Their madrassas are largely responsible for breeding people who know nothing but the Koran and hatred.

The whole operation needs to be shut down.

kelly (#37),

So if we reduce the money that these oil barons get then they in turn will be spending less on the hate material that they use against us.

Yeah, then they'll only hate us a little bit.

Or maybe they'll just sell their oil to someone else.

I'm so sick of the ridiculously uninformed "If we would just do "x", all the problems would be solved" bullshit solutions to problems.

But hey, don't blame the Saudi's for what the Saudi's do, anything but that.

Take this to your local newspapers and tv media. I'm sure many of the syndicated columnists will pick up on this story. Stories on Saudi/Wahhabi influence tend to come out. One reason for that is the leftwing media sees this as an opportunity to bash Bush's too cosy relationship with the Saudis. The question is whether national tv media will lead with this story and how they will report it, how far they will spin it away from Islam.

I have such admiration for Freedom House.

Hate Jews, hate Christians, hate Sufis, hate Shiites, kill apostates, subordinate women. Not much emphasis on the Golden Rule, is there?

Kelly,

The Saudi's (or any other ME country) aren't the only ones with oil, and lots of it. Unfortunately, Herrs Clinton and Gore pretty much ruined the domestic oil production back in '99, and the enviro-wackos won't allow new exploration or drilling (ala ANWAR).

So is my big old gas guzzlin' Buick's fault that the Saudi's are getting the profits from oil?

I don't think so. Next tree-hugger with an AlGore bumper sticker I see, I'm gonna suck his crappy Honda down my carb and blow it out the open headers.

Zulubaby,

Move to Texas, let's get married!

Let's sanction Saudia Arabia until they stop this shit. Let the US stop buying their OIL and selling them technology and bombs.

They're not the only oil in the world. Tell Bush we need to cut them off.

did anyone else see the documentary on PBS last night about Mohammed and Islam (dc are WETA channel). It showed the Seige of Mecca, at least the part i saw, and how instrumental it was to the formation of Islam. The irony hit me that the Birth of the RoP was only possible through war.

That lays the foundation to so much of their ideology, and their literature.

#61 ToxMan

I haven't fact checked this figure, but some people have estimated total Saudi investment in US at $860 billion dollars. That kind of money can buy quite a lot of political influence. It is also revealing of the problems in Saudi Arabia: growing unemployment, & a shrinking economy. They just don't invest much at home, so they're own economy stays dependant on oil exports.

#65
Um, Paul?
I don't think they HAVE the Golden Rule.
At least, not the same Golden Rule as the rest of us...

Besides, how hard is it to draw a line between 9/11 and this propaganda? Not too hard the way I see it.

# 65 P

"Golden Rule"

"what is this infidel concept?"

/hopeless Whabbist

It will take engraving this in 5 foot high letters on Mt. Rushmore, a catastrophic WMD attack within the US, the loss of most of the enemy-allied MSM and a significant rise in the prices of beer, cigarettes and viagra before the Collectivists shut the fuck up, get the fuck out of the way and let a REAL war get on.

Until then, I continue to yawn...

I've got to wonder, however, how much of this you're stealing from Mike Moore. I know you guys all hate hima and stuff, but all this stuff about Saudi Arabia you'll selling could have come from his movie F911.

Watch it sometime.

#67 ProudLiberals dot com,

I'm stunned, we agree.

Of course, I blame you and your liberal buddies for our current dependence on foreign oil, and think the best place for a new drilling rig would be right in your front yard, but hey, at least we can agree on something ;^)

Kelly keeps harping on the over use of evil oil by the Americans.
What she doesn't look at is this. Even if we gain independence of foreign oil, the demand for it will not cease nor decrease. That part of the supply that we now buy will be picked up and purchased by countries such as China. So the monies going in the arab coffers will not decrease.

Also she likes to demonize americans oil usage, but makes no effort to clean up his/her/its act.
Yes, what we're purchasing is aiding and abetting the enemy. But the genie is out of the bottle, so even if we aren't part of the abetting the coffers will stay fat.

Instead of vilifying the posters here, this poster needs to start posting something useful instead of just wasting Charles' bandwidth.

Oh and go and park that vehicle it drives.

Hate and death; death and hate. Sadly, nothing new here folks.

This is an incredible document.

This is why Bush is vulnerable. If Kerry had hammered this relationship, I think Bush would have lost the election.

No war on terror is complete with a war on SA.

kelly (#56)

However we can consume less and and in turn give less money to the saudis that pay for the very hate that they direct against us.

It's not just about the SUV's that you despise, there are many products that cannot be manufactured without oil. And it's not just us, we would need the entire world to make the effort. We have to find alternatives to oil ... dunno when that's going to happen.

#56

So you then fully support aggressive exploration and extraction programs for oil from our own country and neighboring friendly countries?

If not, STFU!

#70 Killer

On television not too long ago, I watched a panel discussion regarding the world's major religions. It was a PC show, so the panelists agreed that all religions shared a variation of the "Golden Rule" as a major tenet. It was on television so it must be true.

The Jihad continues in Holland. Dutch imam and convert to Islam gave go-ahead to rob and kill non-Muslim Dutch people:

Chatting with terrorists

"He has said about it, see it this way: the government, ministries, police etc., their blood and possessions is halal [we can take], because they openly declared war to the islam, but before you do something you have to think twice about what will happen with the islamic community."Mujaheed: "OK djazaak Allah. This is the fatwa needed. Now I can slaughter every police, minister, soldier, officer etc. And rob them"

And Moroccan student teaches his teaher some respect:

Islamic Pupil tells his Teacher what respect is all about!

It's stories like this that make me wish we had taken the $300 billion we are spending in Iraq to develop alternative energy sources.

Our national security demands we develop energy sources that do not put money into the hands of the Saudis.

This should be priority #1.

Old Buick Tanker (#66)

Move to Texas, let's get married!

That's so romantic ;-)

I am 95% sure these documents are by Zionists.

/sarcasm

#66 Old buick tanker

Many have been telling kelly for days what you just said. We don't drill oil here because enviro-wackos and tree huggers killed our own oil production along with the NIMBY bunch that won't allow us to build nuke plants and refinerys.

kellys solution is to call everyone with a large car a terrorist!

Kelly ... look at Thoms #48 again!

# 74

hey dumbass, the research was conducted by Freedom House, not Lumpy Reifenstahl ...

#62 cato; #64 reader

just what the hell do you want the Saudis to do with US dollars? Obviously, we don't want them to spend them on furthering radical Wahabbism...BIG PROBLEM

any US administration and private enterprise would hope they would invest them here in our economy

well

it worked...

Kelly...

I am ready to make a sacrafice. Come here and try on these hand cuffs, and we'll take you to the Zion Master so he can properly prepare you for... sacrafice.

OKAY- seriously kelly

I can tell that you are sincere, and you have a valid point about saving fuel consumption, thus trimming back the $$$ to the Saudi's- but see you have a hard time with credability- because you are still putting blame on US and not THEM! See, all the conserving in the world will not solve the problem of them wanting to kill us. THey can use rocks against tanks- thrown by children, and the media makes sure that this is much more effective than any of our military expertise.

IF you take away their textbooks- still won't matter...

These kids didn't learn THIS from a textbook!

Can we suspend diplomatic relations, produce more of our own oil, and get cracking on alternative energy sources already? What is it going to take?

#62 Cato the Elder

Don't be too quick to jump into (ideological) bed with Michael Moore.

Think it through: Bush figured out the Saudi role in all of this by about Sept 12, 2001. He also understood that if he invaded SA straight away, we would have the entire Muslim world up against us, including Pakistan and their nukes. So the strategy was to pick them off one-by-one, and to divide them, and to get as many Muslim countries on side, or at least out of play as possible. He has been very good at this so far. Afghanistan is out, Iraq is out, Pakistan is playing nice, Syria and Iran are scared sh*tless, Egypt is sitting on her hands, & Libya has turned. The Saudis see the writing on the wall, and they are very worried. The next 4 years are going to be a real education for them.

People don't give Bush the credit for the smarts he has shown through all of this , but he has been very shrewd.

kelly - Roughly 20% of the world's proven oil reserves are in Saudi Arabia. Stop kidding yourself - we need their oil. They need us to find it, extract it and refine it for them. Conservation is not the answer to ending our symbiotic relationship with them. The only hope is an alternative fuel source.

Various Saudi government publications gathered for this study, most of which are in Arabic, assert that it is a religious obligation for Muslims to hate Christians and Jews …

Bunch of contradictory nitwits. Even when their inerrant Holy book gets one right they still manage to get it wrong.

The Koran: [2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

# 78 B

"war on SA"

Paitence -- Syria, then Iran ...

and of course the House of Fraud could collapse all on its own

/wishful thinking

I hope Kelly the Brainless Slut Bundy will set the example for us, and stop driving and riding in any hydrocarbon powered vehicle, and stops buying any product made of plastic.

While you're at it, you waste of oxygen, why don't you figure out how much of your local utilities electricity is generated with oil, and trip the main breaker on your house that many days each week to do your part.

84 zulubaby

That's so romantic ;-)

Shucks, Ma'am, romance runs in my family. Like my brother, who won his wife's heart with great compliments like "My, you sure don't sweat much for a fat girl."

'course, I'm better looking than him. Smarter, too! 8^)

#81 Paul

*slaps self on forehead*
On TV!
Well, I stand corrected.
um - sit, actually - I'm sitting.
So I sit corrected.

Kelly, you used the phrase "you people" over and over in your jeremiad, who do you think we are? We're not all Jews or Texans you know.

Or possibly do you people believe that you are above and superior to those that do make sacrifices?

Bite me.

Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice
test. The events are actual cuts from past history. They actually
happened!

Do you remember?

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:
a. Superman
b. Jay Lenno
c. Harry Potter
d. Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred
by:
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old
American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver
trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill' s women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to
take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into
the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the
passengers.Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Nope, ...I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?

#69 Kenneth

"They just don't invest much at home, so they're own economy stays dependant on oil exports."

Here in lies the problems of the Royal Family...and it gives Wahabbists a lot of fodder against them!

From mosque here in the US, unbelievable. I'd say something but I don't want anybody to get the wrong idea even if it was a joke.

O.K. , we've got the evidence, the Saudi's are setting up shop here to eventually try to convert us to islam or kill us.

How long do you think it will take before we start sending them back?

If we are serious about fighting the war on terror, why are these people still here?

In my opinion, all muslims should be deported, not just the Saudi's. I know CAIR will defend this devil cult, but I don't see why the American people have to.

The Saudis seem to have the advantage here. While there are probably hundreds of Wahabi mosques on American soil, each spewing anti-infidel hatred to a greater or lesser extent, Americans can do nothing inside the Magic Kingdom (precisely because, according to them, infidel feet would defile their holy soil). I'd say we've just identified the limits of multiculturalism here. In the name of tolerance--and by positioning it as religion--the enemy gets a free pass to work against us on our home turf. Sounds like a recipe for eventual world-wide sharia to me.

I have an idea.
Let's use the governments latest and greatest new secret weapon against the saudi government.

I don't know if any of you read this at the first of the week.
No link yet.
But it has been established that the massive earthquake that caused the tsunami started on the east coast of the United States.
So I guess that was retribution for 9.11.

/sarcasm

But seriously movement has been traced back to the east coast.
If the arabic moonbats learn of this they really will believe and preach hatred, justified in believing we are at fault over this massive tragedy. They will All be wearing tin foil hats for sure.

As to kellys references to the selfishness of the posters on this thread, that's a pretty dangerous assumption to be making. As this poster has no way of knowing what sacrifices each inidividual or family member has or is making at this time.
Pretty arrogant kelly.

#100 Darth Bubba

You forgot that family of Copts in Jersey City.

Kelly,

It ain't the oil, it's the JIHAD that's the problem.

The US gets more oil from Canada than from all the countries of the Gulf combined. And yet, Canada isn't supporting jihad and sending terrorists across the border and raging against the Jews.

The Wahhabi rule:

"Violence is Golden"

#95 Ed

C'mon. Lighten up on the poor dear. She's doing the best she can with an IQ in low double digits.

100 Darth Bubba

LOL! good one... so you are a Glenn Beck listener tooo, eh? I never went searching for that in writing-- and didn't get a chance to listen to on insider to put it in print yet. Mind if I hijack your post in writing for my blog?

PLEASE!

{down on knees, begging and pleading!}

One of the useful critiques of Islam can be found at [Link: www.prophetofdoom.net...] . nojihad.com is a site with a number of sources including books and articles. Islamistwatch.org is a frightening collection of pro-Islam information. jihadwatch.org is a site run by Robert Spencer and has an abundance of information about Islam without any softening of the message. answering-islam.org si another good site.
I realize that many,(if not most) of the lgf readers and contributors are not novices at this matter, but I assume some are and would like some info on where to start.

107 Kenneth

Canada isn't supporting jihad and sending terrorists across the border and raging against the Jews

Nor do they wear tablecloths on their heads...

#91 Kenneth:

You may be right. As I said, as long as we do Saudi within a reasonable amount of time, I won't complain about the order. But US administrations have been far too cozy for far too long with SA for the extrication process to be easy.

My plan: Do Syria next, pre-empt the Iranian nuke problem, then break up OPEC and buy petroleum on a per country basis instead of from the cartel. Offer a reasonable premium to countries that are neutral if not friendly. Declare SA to be a terror-sponsoring state on the grounds of reports like these, and decline to buy their oil. Let them sell it to the dhimmi Europeans or eat it if they can't sell it.

Or maybe even put them under an embargo.

Andy Sullivan on Medved on that flamer Lincoln

Darth Bubba-

The answer to question #9 is clearly B- Hillary Clinton. ;)

#103)
el presidente: O.K. , we've got the evidence, the Saudi's are setting up shop here to eventually try to convert us to islam or kill us.

How long do you think it will take before we start sending them back?

If we are serious about fighting the war on terror, why are these people still here?

You do realize that the LLL have been waiting with baited breath for the other side to suggest something like this so they can start screaming about how it is “Japanese Internment” all over again.

The little hypocrites will probably even try telling you that Conservatives (those who conserve (remember) the past) don’t learn from their past mistakes.

#112 Lord Speedo

well, some do... Hosers

When you want to kill a weed you have to destroy its roots...

Need I say more?

Re Kelly's remarks:

Saudi Arabia is not just a big oil drum. We are most certainly not their only client.

This subject is complex. For you to say "you people" drive too much and buy stuff - your bad - is so shallow. You are sooo shallow.

Saudi Arabia, for one thing, is under a lot of pressure - the religious police and the religious laws have sway there, and the Sauds long ago kowtowed to them, to stay in power. Their goverment is huge, wasteful, and full of fraud. Their birth rate is very high, with a resultant steep drop in per capita GDP and a very high unemployment rate. There are TONS of young men in Saudi Arabia, and a lot of them are not employed. They want to privatize, but it's tricky. They want more foreign investments, but lowering the taxes is hard for them to sell in-country. The exchange rate of the dollar has hurt their net. Yada yada. I could go on.

It's complex, Kelly. See if you can find your brain.

'...they must behave as if on a mission behind enemy lines. Either they are there to acquire new knowledge and make money to be later employed in the jihad against the infidels, or..."

We thought so, we said so, now the info runs freely around.

THANK YOU CHARLES FOR THIS BLOG.

If the wahabbis/jihadis are planning to behave "as if they are on a mission behind enemy lines", then it is our duty to identify them and kill them first. My oath and that of my comrades in arms was to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. We will not be destroyed by these inflitrators.

#42 Kelly - and all those who are concerned about oil and energy.

As an engineer, I've been following this technology for many years. If you read this publication carefully, and follow the links, you'll see how much fundamental research has been put into it... and perhaps draw your own conclusions.

Gee, I am going to buy an SUV like a Hummer and drive everywhere till my legs fall off from atrophication so wonderful people like the Saudis can get all my money and I can help wreck the environment even more like my idol Rush!

When is Dan Blather going to broadcast this?

{sound of crickets}

119 Cattt

You hit the nail on the head; Saudi Arabia is very tricky to deal with. Some people claim a civil war has already started between the pro-Western and pro Al-Qaeda factions within the gov't & security forces. It will only get worse as time goes on. Their oil reserves are in the one part of their country where Shias are the majority, & they will be watching their Shia brothers in Iraq with great interest this Sunday.

#104 scaramouche

You beat hate speech by exposing the hate.

If anyone, violates our laws, no religious belief would or should protect the perpetrators.

We can't be vigilantes...But, we can be vigilant (in exposing the hate.)

The DDD's will cause their own peril.

I ride a bike to work, when the weather's good, walk when it is'nt. I hate Sprawl, don't shop at Wal-Mart (my folks are small business owner's) , I don't like SUV's, and i'm a environmentally certified Architect. BUT this idea of no money for oil/terror is such a weak argument. Especially when the proponents of this hate already live within our own country. I dare to think Kelly would not be for forcing a ban on hiring/paying Muslims who live here, or would she? Or should we deny them food, they can't preach hate if they are starving, right.

I applaud people trying to use less resources, but the idea that your 'SUV is an instrument of Jihad' is only a useless attempt to try to use guilt as a tool of political manipulation.

Taking down the environmental laws and regulations and restrictions on domestic oil drilling and production will help the problem alot.
All off shore oil production in California was stopped. We can't drill more in Alaska, and 1000's of wells in Texas and Oklahoma sit idle.
Building nuke plants and refinerys, along with domestic drilling again means high paying jobs for Americans, at the same time lowering our dependence on ME oil.
It's not the total solution...It's a start.. after all WE ARE AT WAR!

Kelly

One more thing...

You bring up oil conservation and sacrafice and doing our part... I actually like it...

BUT- if we knew that

(1) paying X amount MORE/ gallon of gas... AND
(2) Cutting off ALL oil sales with Saudi Arabia (again- making hte price of gas go up even MORE)

would actually solve the problem- sending the Saudi's into turmoil and thus destroying their means of spreading the hate and terror---

AND that would solve terror-- I think ALL OF US would rather do it THAT way than to ever see a drop of blood spilled.

But, alas... That is not going to happen. Even if we made the sacrafices YOU WANT US TO MAKE (like we are not making ANY sacrafices at all- oy!)- it would never solve the problem. Making sacrafices is WAY okay with me-- as long as it brings results instead of some gushy feeling of feeling good about banging my head against a freakin
wall!

pave the entire area over there and be done with them.

I think we all recognize the irony of an intolerant, anti-democratic and hateful religious sect using the protections of the Constitution and democracy to subvert them. Perhaps the worst part of this situation is the refusal of our politicians, the MSM and academia to acknowledge that a problem exists. This is due, I think, the the gospel of multiculturalism, inclusiveness and politcal correctness, all subsidized by a generous amount of Saudi money. Wahhabi propaganda in the mosques is only part of the problem.

I wonder if Kelly lives in a house. Does Kelly drive a car? Or perhaps a bike? Bike=Bad, they use petroleum products in the tires, along with lots of other nasty stuff!

Does Kelly cook her meals? Electric stove=BAD, uses that nasty power that runs off of coal or OIL. Microwave? Ditto.

Kelly needs to live in a dirt floor hut (making sure not to use some endangered reeds to build it) and eat only foods that can be foraged for (making sure she isn't impacting the local wildlife that also competes for that food).

Kelly also needs to walk wherever she needs to go.

Shutting up would be nice too.

#116 - the serpent,

Yes, I can see the LLL making an argument like that, but if we have another 9-11, I don't think the American people will just suggest that all the muslims be exported , I think the American people will demand it.

Unfurnately, I feel it will take another attack for the majority of the people here to wake up to that fact.

Our only hope is the [bigoted word]s, know that another attack and they will be vaporized.

#119 - At (with 4 Ts)

You write this as if we should care. When you consider how much damage has been done to the world by these people and their hateful ideology, who gives a damn if they have problems?

And you seem to imply that this pressure is forced on them from the outside (I wonder who?). The pressure they're under is THEIR OWN pressure... self-generated, just like their religious police.

#131 Paul

Perhaps the worst part of this situation is the refusal of our politicians, the MSM and academia to acknowledge that a problem exists.

What about the rest of the world? It is GOING to take a joint effort to wipe out this menace. Iraq would have been much easier with some cooperation. I don't think this is one we can fight single-handed with the rest of the known universe working against us. At what point will Europe say this is enough? And everyone else? But you are right. How can we possibly expect cooperation from other countries with the blindness that permeates our own.

#122 Keelie

Cold Fusion? Are you serious? Who on earth is funding this research?

You think the Chinese or the Indians, who within the next 10 years will be consuming like a million times more oil than us, producing a million times more garbage and pollution than us, give a flying crap about "environmental protection"?

We're doomed no matter how many fucking beer bottles you recycle, and no matter how many joni mitchell songs you listen to.

Kelly, stop all this "drive less and win the war" nonsense.

Yes, the Wahhabbis use our money for lots of nefarious purposes. BUT... Aren't you forgetting that about 50-60 years ago, the ME dictatorships had less control over the oil? Do you forget these countries (i.e. Iran) nationalized industries owned by French, British, and American companies?

Expectedly, France gave up this property. Too bad UK and USA followed suit.

Instead of advocating using less, you should advocate taking back what once belonged. That would redirect the $$$ from Wahabbis towards the proper owners. And we could still drive!

Think.

I believe Kelly has posted here before under several nicks that had "kelly" in it, does she also post as "Jakester", or are people coming here from Ai America or KoS with their mindless drivel to vomit back onto their keyboards.

And what is the pre-occupation with Limbaugh? Its not like we'll all ditto heads, and even stoned off his gourd he makes more sense than a battalion of Al Frankens and Maureen Dowds.

#129 eeevil

I follow what you are saying...

But, the Saudi Royal family is one element of the problem and the Wahabbi clerics are another...does one element want to give up its position to the other in this conspiracy you have concocted?

I was just going to ignore this thread, but I think I'm going to stand up for myself.

People on LGF saying Islam should be outlawed (in direct violation of our Constitution) and the people saying we should deport the Muslims are the reason LGF gets tarred as a hate site.

We need to investigate these mosques, which we are, we need to bring the findings out into the light of day, which we are doing right now, and we need to ascertain if there is any criminal culpability. We also need to deport or deny entry to radical Imams and pass laws that prevent the Saudis from advancing their ideological campaign in US mosques.

I hate hate hate it when people start saying stupid crap like "outlaw Islam". Most normal people are going to come to this website, read comments like that, and leave.

#136 - Grayp

If you get well into the site and its links, you'll see... Some pretty heavy researchers...

If they built an A4W/A1G reactor plant in the Houston area it wouldn't bother me.

#134 Keelie

We have to care about the problems in Saudi Arabia because it affects us. If we allow Al-Qaeda to take over there (a distinct possibility) we will have a very big mess to clean up. Better they should clean up the mess themselves, with some "helpful" pressure from the US.

550 Mw of safe, environmentally friendly electricity, that could be used to make hydrogen for fleet vehicles, or used to charge batteries on electric cars (which again would probably fit in best with a fleet).

#141 - bbcrackmonkey

That's all very well, but we've all been exposed to the Koran on this site; the REAL Koran... And it ain't pleasant reading. And it ain't Buddhism.

What the Wahabbi's are saying is a literal interpretation of the Koran. And there's no room for doubt.

Doubting = Death

None of us is making this up, and behind some of the cavalier statements is the knowledge that the Koran says we should all be killed or enslaved, just like the 70 million in India when the Muslims invaded that land.

#137 TMF

Exactly!

We are at the height of affluence and therefore near a peak of consumption rates...the marginal difference between US vs India's and China's rates of consumption are huge! That is why we (US, India and China) have to pressure the Royal Family to do something about the Wahabbists...

"Yes, while the linked document's authenticity may be unconfirmed, it is accurate"

- MohammeDan Rather bin Demoted

#141 bbcrackmonkey

No disrespect, dear, but cry me a friggin' river. Have a problem with eliminating the KKK?

Islam is a totalitarian psychotic death cult and getting rid of it by whatever means necessary constitutes a rational conversation.

#104 Scaramouche

Sounds like a recipe for eventual world-wide sharia to me.

It's not IF, only WHEN.
Unless the politicos start leading, instead of appeasing.

#144 - Kenneth

I agree, but lets not be happy about it. If we're too happy we won't have the incentive to get out from under the Saudi oil burden we've gotten ourselves into.

Pressure from the US? From my standpoint most of the nasty damage has been done: The vile books have been handed out, the madrassas have been built, many countries in the world have been infiltrated...

We have to contend with this now, and it's like a cancer.

#141 bbcrackmonkey,

I agree with you that some people might come to this sight and read some of the stuff and leave. However, I keep coming back here, because you just can't get this news in the MSM.

I would have to bet, more people stay, then leave LGF.

Thank you, Charles

#152 Keelie

What Saudi oil burden?

ToxMan

YES- yo are right-- my point to kelly was that we are willing to make a sacrafice if it solves a problem-- the fact is that HER ONE SOLUTION THAT SHE BRINGS- Will NEVER solve the problem-- NEVER!

Real action is needed...

anyway-- you are right-- I was just trying to make it see that there just is no way that embargos, diplomacy, blah blah blah will ever solve it--- they want blood- not $$$ they want to rule the world and enjoy the fight. in fact- if they ever won the fight- and ruled the world- they would make up some other thing to spill blood over--- it's an addiction to the Wahabbi's--- just gotta gut it!

#150 - Grayp

EXACTLY. bbcrackmonkey thinks we should be nice about the prospect of being killed and enslaved.

I'm not going to be nice and neither should anybody else, unless they're stark raving mad.

#152 Keelie

I'm not "happy" about any of this. I agree with everything you said in your last post, exept for the "Saudi oil burden" bit.

It ain't the oil, it the JIHAD that's the problem.

#141 BBcrackmonkey

You simply call hate the fact that people like me don't want to be transformed in Amerabia.

The muslim are invading this Country to transform it from within.
They have used the same tactics in many other Countries and Europe is falling.

Do you know that forty years ago Lebanon was a Country inhabited by a MAJORITY of Christians ?

The fact that you are TOO SCARED to accept the truth doesn't make of you the Master of the Truth.

War is not hate, is a sacred duty, and I did not start it. But I will do everything I can to be the one who finishes it.

#154 - Sarah D.

Perhaps I didn't express it properly. What I meant was the dependence we have on Saudi oil. I believe it's not so great now, but it's still there from what I hear.

#139 Ed Moran -

And what is the pre-occupation with Limbaugh?

Okay, now I understand Jakester's metamorphoses. It seems he's discovered Savage Nation.

Jakester - Savage is a bright guy and he can be really funny and even insightful at times. He can also be an insufferable boor, which is why he's been relegated to talk radio. If you want to emulate someone, there are much better people to choose from.

#157 - Kenneth

Of course. But it seems that the US isn't keen on taking a REALLY tough stance on the Saudis because they may close the spigots, causing the price to jump through the roof.

I could be wrong on this, but that's the impression I get.

#141 bbcrackmonkey

I follow what you are saying...Vigilantism is not an answer. Trampling human rights is not an answer.

As I posted earlier, and to Charles' and many other Internet websites' credit, you expose the hate, expose the threat and more people will follow your fight. You beat them with facts, with truth and logic. Then, more people will get on board supporting a foreign policy centered around spreading democratic principals and freedom. Even if it means fighting other wars in Syria, Iran or wherever...

(and I don't want to hear about the chasm between reality and ideology either...I know it exists.)

Trampling human rights is not an answer.

O da irony ...

Thom

LOL! LOL! ROFLLL!

How funny!

Most of the time I am in agreement with the sentiments here on LGF. However I am surprised by the refusal to consider the effects of oil dependence, just because it's being argued by Kelly. Why do I sense such a fatalistic acceptance that none of our actions as consumers can affect the proliferation of Wahabbism? Don't you think that a reduction in aggregate demand for oil will reduce the equilibrium price in the world market? What do you think happens when the OPEC ministers meet to set production levels? Granted, a reduced dependence on Saudi oil will not prevent jihad from happening. But there is no denying that our reduction in demand for oil will reduce the global price and put fewer dollars in the Saudi accounts. Sure, oil goes to produce plastics and other products, but the bulk of it goes to create gasoline to runs our cars. Our electrical plants are largely coal-fired as far as I understand it. If we summoned the national will, we could definitely impact the price of oil in a big way. Unfortunately there is no broad support for taking such steps. What I get here is that no one wants to do it, but that is far different from saying that it can't or shouldn't be done. The fact is that our indulgence does have far-reaching effects, whether we choose to recognize them or not.

Israel is appeasing the terrorists (PA). while the rest of the world is doing nothing/nothing about the death threats coming from these mosques. Sharia is coming for the whole world if nothing is done soon. Islam is not/not a religion, it is a demonic death cult. Some of the West's laws have to be changed that Islam is using against us I'm sure CAIR will help us here/NOT. If nothing is done soon, we will be up the creek without a paddle.

LLL, and LLL MSM reading this thread will say we are insane for reacting this way. Islam's best friend right now is the ignorant LLL. What to do.

#161 Keelie

Please read my comment #91, if you haven't already. That's why the US hasn't whacked the Saudis (yet).

If the US did go in big and knock them off, the disruption to the worl oil supply would be huge, prices would go sky high and the Western economy would be severely strained. This would have a knock-on effect in limiting our ability to wage war. It's all well and good to get angry about the problem, but we should be cool headed and serious about how we solve the problem.

We have a newly expanded "Islamic Academy" in our town. Their website seems innocuous enough, but I don't trust 'em. E.g. the number 1 virtue they teach their kids is "modesty". Any advice from LGFers on how to go about finding out who funds them?

Don't be so hard on Kelly-at least she is reading lgf so is willing to read and learn and in her own simplistic way is trying to make a difference.
People should not be condemned for having a less educated understanding of how the world economies function- the education system contributes little to such knowledge and many of us have to struggle to comprehend such complexities and turn to such forums as lgf and its ilk to become more informed and the more we learn the more effective we become.

#163 Thom

there's that chasm thing...do you want to lop of my head?

#159 Keelie

There is no dependence on Saudi oil. Here are some stats. Look at the Total amounts.

We could easily up our imports from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela (maybe, they're having some problems), and other countries to make up for the less than 12% that the Persian Gulf countries supply of our intake. Or, if you want to take on OPEC, we could just as easily make up for the less than 30% they supply.

Furthermore, if we were to do that, the upswing of imports from emerging countries will more than make up for whatever lost revenue SA has from us not buying. America boycotting the ME oil might cause OPEC to get a bit pissed and lower production - hence raising the price per barrel. This doesn't only impact us of course. The entire world would be hampered, from the poor starving folks in Darfur (gas prices are higher to bring in food and water), to the entire EU who already pay out the nose for petrol.

Oil simply isn't the issue any longer. Hindsight being 20/20, we should have purchased the entire sand heap from the camel riding Saudi's back when oil was first discovered there. That would have made things a bit different.

#170

sorry...that's "lop OFF"

#170 ToxMan

do you want to lop of my head?

Nope. But the "people" whose "human" rights you are so concerned about do.

"...and avow that the Muslim’s duty is to eliminate the state of Israel"

When and if they succeed,they'll start killing each other,just like the palis do when there is a truce with Israel.

#171 - Sarah D.

Good stuff. I had kind of heard about the relative lack of dependence, but I wasn't sure.

Now this:

America boycotting the ME oil might cause OPEC to get a bit pissed and lower production - hence raising the price per barrel. This doesn't only impact us of course. The entire world would be hampered, from the poor starving folks in Darfur (gas prices are higher to bring in food and water), to the entire EU who already pay out the nose for petrol.

is quite another thing. Raising the price abruptly and sustantially would do huge damage to many economies for a number of years.

This this ToxMan?

#176 Keelie

I'm not sure how old you are (don't say...it's rhetorical!) but do you remember the '70 gas shortages? OPEC put an oil embargo in place against the US and other Western countries because of their support for Israel. This happened because of the Yom Kippur war. Take a look at this.

Interesting to see when oil suddenly got in short supply isn't it?

Here in New York there is an "Islamic Cultural Center" located in an old mansion at #1 Riverside Drive. This is a very posh address. There must be much more money behind this place than the cab drivers who use it can possibly supply.

#178 - Sarah D.

Old enough :-)

Not sure which of the spikes you're referring to, but although much is made of the "short supply" in 1973 (which EVERYONE remembers), the three following major spikes were not "Israeli-made" and didn't seem to affect anybody too much (and NOBODY to my knowledge, remembers)...

Hmmm...

#141 bbcrackmonkey

People on LGF saying islam should be outlawed (in direct violation of our Constitution)

Your premise is that islam is a religion. Many here reject that premise.

saying we should deport the Muslims

If a person self identifies with an ideology that aims to do my country harm, then yes that person should be deported.

We also need to deport or deny entry to radical Imams

Uhmm... as has been said here before. It is way past time to be sorting good Muslims from bad muslims. Apply pressure to all muslims and let them sort themselves out.

If you stand with/near/around my enemy, then you are my enemy.

#178 Sarah D. - Great link.

OPEC put an oil embargo in place against the US and other Western countries because of their support for Israel.

Kinda funny that it was Saddam who stabbed OPEC in the back and sold us oil.

#183 Rayra

Well said ...

#183 Rayra, ain't nothin' like them thar hardwood suppliers are gittn' ready to do. They'll make them thar oil ticks look like Buddhists!

#180 Keelie

The embargo in '73 was in retaliation of Western support for Israel during the Yom Kippur War. OPEC cut about 7% of the total FREE WORLD production. The spike you see for the Iranian Revolution and Iran/Iraq war caused oil prices to go from $14 in '78 to $35 by '81.

They can't even manage to control their own oil prices. Why? Because they lie even to one another. When OPEC tried to set rules on production and prices in the mid '80's, countries within OPEC would over-produce and destabalize the price again.

That spike in the 90's with the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait was pure fear. They went right back down again. Even with Kuwait's oil fields burning.

We DID feel the other spikes, but none were as stringent as the one in '73.

#174 Thom, #177 Roger

Hey guys, I'm on your side...F*ck Islam...I know it is a death cult and not a ROP...I don't want my rights taken away or trampled by ANYBODY...But, I live in the US not Saudi Arabia.

Shall we deport Jews, Catholics, Protestants?

Why don't we start internment camps for Chinese, North Koreans, Russians, Iranians and Saudis?

F*ck this narrow mindedness!

bbcrackmonkey seems to think the constitution is a suicide pact.

#187 ToxMan

Shall we deport Jews, Catholics, Protestants?

What on earth for? They're the backbone of this country, not subversives like moslems.

#187 ToxMan

When you are worried about a Jew, a Catholic, a Protestant, a North Korean, a Chinese, or a Russian slitting your throat because you said that Mohammed was a pedophile and a fraud...then yes.

#187 ToxMan, Ok. What are the foundation blocks of islam?

P.S. you do get that my post was joking and serious at the same time? I was pointing to the fact that I doubt you have the courage to tell off the intolerant as you tell us off while claiming that we are intolerant? I simply want islam completely exposed and every islamists given the choice to renounce islam, choose what ever replacement they like or take a one way Hajj.

Everyone in a Democracy needs to 'sign' a buy-into-it contract. Otherwise it doesn't work. Know what Samuel Adams says makes the Constitution of the United States an inadequate document?

#190 Sarah D

Well said... I second that!

Thom and Sara

I think we are on common ground...

Any group, with subversive aims to undermine our government and is willing to wage war on our citizens needs to be fought with all the resources of the government. Dismantled, prosecuted, deported, executed...what ever the law allows.

Hate speech can have a broad definition. If a religion whose precepts condemn homosexuality, are they engaging in hate speech? What do you do? Is free speech protected?

The Patriot Act, our court system, etc seems to be trying to draw these lines of distinction...I think our arguments are probably along our own desires to see where those lines need to be drawn.

#95 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

well by your rather person attack its rather apparent that my accusation of your support for the arab terrorists seem to have struck rather close to home. are you starting to feel a little bit guilty for the lack of sacrifice you are making in this war?

You seem to have no problem supporting the sacrifice our soldiers are making to fight for you but apparently you refuse to make any sacrifices your self. Your demand for violence does sound an very similar to the arab's demands for violence against our fellow US citizens. maybe you should be living over there.

#105 quark2 

yes it may seem arrogant, but those that are actually making a sacrifice know who they are and know that the comments are not directed at them. they are directed at those that seem to think that the only ones that should be affected are our soldiers and the rest of the US should live like none of it makes a difference.

#119 Cattt 

It seems that you are making the same kind of excuses for the corrupt arab leadership that so many on this forum accuse the LLLs of.

#123 Jakester 

you right on doing that and your grandchildren will know who to bitch at when there is no oil for their cars. of course by then all the money you have given to the saudis will likely have gone to the purchase of materials for a dirty bomb that ensured that your kids will be mutants and not likely capable of driving a car.

#191 Roger

I understand

the one-way Hajj seems inevitable conclusion...we see that

how do we convince everyone else who doesn't?

So here we are, another Friday afternoon in the Land of the Free. What was the subject of the Friday noon sermon in your local mosque? Whose death did they call for in the name of the Great Pedophile? You first Kelly since you profess to know about such things.

Free speech is never protected when "hate speech laws " are made.

There should never be any hate speech laws, if we are going to protect freedom of speech.

With freedom of speech ... I have a right to voice my hatred of anyone. I don't have a right to harm or hurt anyone... that's different.

If islam wants to spew hateful remarks my way ...fine. But, islam doesn't stop there... it promotes its followers to kill me. That's why many here say round up and deport it.

Remember... sticks and stones may break my bones , but words cannot hurt me.

ROPMA *spit*

#193 ToxMan

.I think our arguments are probably along our own desires to see where those lines need to be drawn.

islam aims to have the West waste it's time and resources "drawing lines" and trying to identify the bad muslims. Listen to what the leaders of islam say and don't say.

The line you speak of was drawn by islam fourteen hundred years ago, islam on one side and everybody else on the other.

If in a free society a person chooses to remain within islam, then they have chosen to be an enemy of the West.

#183 Rayra 

dame your reading skills are as bad as gymnast. I never made those claims but rather people on this forum have said in their writings that I have. Big difference. I have said that the oil that we buy finances their hatred. their people don't just do things for ideology. The arab bombers that killed Jews in Israel with suicide bombs often did it only because they knew that Hussain was going to take care of their families financially. That money came from the sale of oil. Yes the US and its citizens are not the only consumers of oil but we are the bigggest. no matter how much we may want to deny it the truth is that some of the money that has gone to murders of our fellow American citizens. As a patriotic American, I am going to do everything in MY power to reduce the money that gets into the hands of arab killers. As a consumer my power like yours can be used with what we purchase and don't purchase.

By your continued large scale consumption of oil your are showing that you want to financially support the enemies of our country. Using simple deductive reasoning those that give massive amounts of money to the oil producers are in fact supporting our nation's enemies and are traitors themselves.

the less money they have means the less they will be contributing to the terrorists. being in a democracy means that we can speak with more than our votes and collectively through our individual actions we can make a difference.

#193 ToxMan

If a religion whose precepts condemn homosexuality, are they engaging in hate speech?

are you asking about islam or christianity? practitioners of both religions seem to to spend a great deal of effort condemning it.

#196 gymnast

i never made the claim but if you have such poor reading skills as to believe that you go right ahead. I have said that the hatred that they teach in those masques is indirectly supported by the petrodollars that are given to them by our citizens.

#149 Rayra
I need to bill you for the range time and expenses that link caused me :)

are you asking about islam or christianity? practitioners of both religions seem to to spend a great deal of effort condemning it.

You know what the big difference between the two is, kelly, you magnificent imbecile?

Stock up on the essentials, it's going to be a long War Against Terrorism.

There are several ways to defeat the jihad. One way is to expose the jihad, and this can only be done with the help of MSM and major broadcasters such as the BBC. At this moment in time, that is unlikely.

Another way is to defeat the jihad is on the battlefield. The invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, was from that stand point, a valid goal. However the attempt to bring democracy to muslim nations when the pre-requisite for democracy is missing, is misguided, and I believe quite futile.

The Iraq invasion then has the potential for seriously lowering the morale of American soldiers and people. I see no profit in the vast amount of treasure ($300bn and counting), and the thousand lives that have been lost in Iraq. If we had to go to Iraq, we should have gone in, destroyed whatever WMD's that we could find, and then left, with "mission accomplished".

Now the only hope I have that we hurt the jihad, is that constituent factions in Iraq will resort to violence, and eventually for civil war to break out within Iraq. I would guess that neighbouring sunni Arab nations will then come to the aid of their brethren, and in so doing, will drag the Iranians in. It will then be a straight fight between the proponents of Khomeini and those of bin Laden. That would be a suitable outcome, and a first installment in response to the 9/11 attack. It will also serve as a clear demonstration of what happens to those who trifle with the US and the Christian West. I say Christian, as the enemy does not view us as secular post-Christian, but as Christian.

I hope we get out of Iraq as soon as is politically possible, and then recognise the Christians and Animists in Southern Sudan, guaranteeing them security in the process. Such an option will hurt the jihad as nothing else, as seizing what is perceived as dar ul islam to become infidel land, is the most serious defeat that can be dealt to the jihad. That this is so, is evident from the continued cries from islamic jihadists for Andalusia, East Timor, Israel, India etc. Islamists, bin Laden mentioned these specifically, regard Andalusia, Timor and Israel as real defeats for the jihad; an unmitigated al naqba. If we go down the military road, then we have to defeat the jihad in a manner that the jihadists and the silent 'moderate muslims' themselves recognise as a defeat. Then continue to do so, till the belief of allah granting victory to muslims, is totally discredited. And Islam without the jihad is nothing.

#199 kelly

Better turn OFF the computer Kelly, you're using precious resources...and guess who's spending your power bill.

Who's funding terrorism now Kelly?

#199, Kelly. Since Saudi Arabia supplies us with about 12% of our oil imports and the Gulf total is about 23% of imports and imports make up about half of our oil supply, I fear the it is you who has a reading comprehension problem. Since my personal motor vehicle fleet average milage is about 28 MPG I think that leaves me just enough conservation points to tell you to go piss up a rope if you take the bus to the rope.

Hey, the largest oil reserve is right here in North America,
The Tar Sands in Alberta Canada,it is a bit tricky to extract but it can be done, the Chinese Gvmt. is buying it up, check it out, there is more OIL there than in Saudi Land.

#203. DP111, we needed the bases. Our fight is in the Middle East, not Europe (yet).

Rayra,

Looks like kelly is calling you a "dame". Better clue her in. ;)

[dame your reading skills are as bad as gymnast]

#199 kelly (you twit)

[Yes the US and its citizens are not the only consumers of oil but we are the bigggest.]

Europe is the biggest consumer of arab oil. Do you get your facts at the dollar store?

#209 Orson Buggy

Facts? What facts? I don't need no stinkin' facts!

_{[Channeling Kelly]}

And...I believe she was trying to spell damn, not dame.

#199 kelly

[#193 ToxMan

If a religion whose precepts condemn homosexuality, are they engaging in hate speech?
are you asking about islam or christianity? practitioners of both religions seem to to spend a great deal of effort condemning it. ]

Christian doctrine condemns homosexuality, but leave it up to God to punish. SInce Allah is a false God, they have to do the punishing. There is a MAJOR difference. Last time I looked, Christians are supposed to love sinners, Muslims are supposed to hate them. Can you say the words, "diameterically opposed"?

#208, Orson Buggy. My reading skills are downright lazerlike and my abilities at comprehension are downright omnicient. the problem is that I dont edit or spell for shit. You wouldn't know me after my transcriptionist finishes editing.

#211 Orson Buggy

well said!

#212 gymnast

Sorry, I guess you caught a few pellets from that last broadside. Not intended for you, but rather in derision of kelly's "astute observations".

*Getting thighter choke on the clue gun*

#139 Ed Mahmood

What's that, Ed! Can't hear ya! I'm bombin' down the road in my giant SUV, with the radio on full blast, listenin' to Rush Limbaugh! Hang on a sec!

(Turns off the radio, using one hoof.)

Okay, that's better! Hmmm, you may be right about "Kelly". Whatever she is, she always shows up when Charles runs a thread that is critical of Islam. Honestly, I think her real intent is to deflect all our criticism of Islam onto something else.

The original topic of this thread was the fact that Islamic preachers are spreading hatred of America in Saudi-supported mosques. Even if we were to start drilling in Alaska tomorrow, and installed nuclear power plants next week (which LLL's like Kelly and Proudliberals will never allow us to do---Mother Earth, doncha know) this will still be a problem, and, since the rest of the world will continue to buy oil from the Saudis, they will continue to be subsidized, even if Americans start driving futuristic air-cars, like the ones in Star Wars.

Kelly has cleverly diverted the topic of this thread to America's-wickedness-in-buying-oil. She must be channeling Arian Huffington again. (Told that girl she's gotta be careful with her crystal ball!)

Oh, and the hatred of Rush comes from the fact that people like Rush make people like Kelly realize how silly their ideas are.

/The Islamofacists also, purportedly, make lots of money in the drug trade---but don't tell Kelly that, or she'll go ballistic!

#215 TalkinKamel

No instant replay needed on that one - you've got the call right the first time.

Kelly is a troll - come on people, GAZE it.

. . . And, of course, every time somebody tries to build a shopping center, or a grocery store, within walking distance of a housing development or suburb, all the little Kellys come running out screaming, "LOWERING PROPERTY VALUES! BAD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD! BRINGING IN A BAD ELEMENT!" (Yeah, gotta watch out for those nefarious grocery store bag boys.)

Or they scream that it's disturbing the habitat of the rare, spotted frobish-newtcather. So the shopping center/grocery store, if it gets built at all, gets built ten miles away, so you have to drive there every time you want pick up a bottle of milk, or a copy of the L.A. Time to sneer at.

Then all the Kelly's scold you for being "enslaved to your car."

The Kellys of this world also like shutting down businesses, so you have to commute at least 20 miles to your job every day---each way. Then they scold you for not using rapid transit. Never mind that the rapid transit available doesn't go anywhere near your job, that buses break down (and use gas too) and that, given the recent Glendale disaster, it isn't particularely safe.

The Kelly's of this world are very good at scolding. They're not much good at offering solutions---and, no, fusion is not a solution, it's a hypothesis, a gamble.

(And Fritzie drives off in her SUV, with her bottle of milk, her copy of The Times and "Baldwin and the Mutant Lepers" blasting from her radio.)

I'll say it again. Since we're always being accused of going to war for O-I-L, let's go there and take it. How much resistance could those pathetic Saudis put up anyway? Sure, some terrorism -- the weapon of the weak, but if Kerry's right it's just a nuisance anyway.

Looks like these documents produced by the Saudi Gov't are a declaration of war.

Declaring war on the U.S. is not too smart. Are they stupid or what?

/dreaming

Any other group doing this kind of indoctrination would be labeled a cult not a religon. It is time to treat the perps as cult leaders.

@194 kelly

Since you are posting, you are using a computer which uses electricity which uses oil to be generated.
I suggest you look around you at the glass walls that surround you.
And noticing how you do NOT put yourself into the oil using group you insist on vilifying, that makes you duplicious as well as hypocritcal.

And you have chosen to ignore, it would not matter how much we sacrificed on reducing our usage of foreign oil, the monies that go into the arab coffers will not be reduced as that oil will be bought up by others.

And again you talk about how you are going to do all you can as a patriotic citizen, yet you give no solutions. Just more hot air rhetoric.
We'll know how patriotic you are when you stop posting here. That way we'll know you've quit using anything made of hydrocarbons.

198 Partisan

Yes, I agree about the lines being drawn...done deal, we get it
But, many others do not

211 Orson

I wasn't making a point about homosexuality
hate speech is a slippery slope...can you tell muslims in this
country they cannot spew their hate? then what about the rhetoric directed against homosexuality? we can expose it
for what it is...but can we legislate hate speech?

#186 - Sarah D.

Back now Sarah D. Very interesting. You're obviously much more informed on these matters than I am. I have to learn to keep my mouth shut when I don't have stats and facts on hand.

This project was undertaken after many Muslims requested the Center’s help in exposing Saudi extremism in the hope of freeing their communities from ideological strangulation.

We are not fighting terrorists per se.

We are fighting an ideology. Where communism tried to destroy any remnant of religion, this ideology is preached by the 'clergy' itself, making it hard for followers to dispute, since it is coming from 'on high'.

#222 Keelie

Absolutely not! That's what discussions are for! Besides, it lets me run and dig up some of my favorite old books :-)

True discourse (not of the Kelly variety) is always good!

#224 - Sarah D.

Well, I'm a great promoter of the "scientific approach" where facts - checkable facts - are the best weapon, if you don't mind me using that word. Usually, I'll call my opinion... well... my opinion, and believe me I have lots of them.

Sarah D. - don't know if you're interested, but did you see the link in my post #122?

Keelie,

I base my opinion on the facts that I know. There may be facts that I'm unaware of, and if so, I love to hear them. I don't base my opinion on BS like Kelly up there!

The really nice thing IMHO about LGF is the abundance of facts.

#227 - Sarah D.

Yes - there was an article in the National Post (Canada) today, that wasn't too complimentary to the blogs. What the MSM people seem to have omitted (deliberately or through stupidity) is that bloggers have facts at their fingertips because many of them are experts in their fields.

MSM journalists - highly intellectual as they are (or like to think they are) don't have it when it comes to high quality facts.

That's a fact.

#228 Keelie

Interesting point. Look at the RatherGate mess, the journalists DID have the experts and chose not to listen to them. What does that say?

MSM journalists - highly intellectual as they are (or like to think they are) don't have it when it comes to high quality facts.

My argument would be that they have the same access as the rest of us, they just choose not to use it.

They will have to start though...or become one with the dinosaurs.

#229 - Sarah D.

They have access, but it takes time to reach any depth. And (dare I say it) it usually takes fairly high intellectual capability to understand, especially some of the more technical stuff.

Like I said, they may be "severely limited" intellectually... although they often SOUND wonderful (or write wonderfully).

#229 - Sarah D.

That was a bit much... Perhaps not "severely" limited. Perhaps "somewhat" limited. Of course there are outstanding exceptions...

DeKalb -

were in businesses that took in a lot of cash and/or were self-employed, and I had no doubt that they fulfilled this part of what they saw as their islamic duty.

There is a Pakistani man down the street who sells illegal cigs (ie untaxed). He also sells lots and lots of porn.

Although, there is another newstand I go to regularly, with a non-creepy, law-abiding Pakistani man.

#231 Keelie

I prefer to believe that it is "severely self-limited". They seem to have no problem finding "facts" that support their position. Then again, you do have some that simply make them up!

I keep thinking about Timothy McVeigh, and his supposed crimes which Reno used as justification for the Waco assault. I am not trying to imply that a similar thing should be done to Muslims. I'm just wondering about what the WoT would be like domestically if the villains were Christian terrorists instead of Muslim terrorists.

#234 - Sarah D.

I think I'm becoming "severely self-limited" which means that I gotta get some sleep...

Nice debating with you...

#236 Keelie

Not debating, we're talking!

#235 Baldy

Tim McVeigh blew up the OK building after Waco didn't he?

Sara D - Whoops. My seizure medicine kicked in. I meant David Koresh.

#238 Baldy

Thought so, now it makes sense. But, I think your analogy needs some work. Reno was/is an ass, no doubt. She was extremely heavyhanded on more than that occasion. Koresh was a nutbag with a cult following and LOTS of guns in a compound. He was also a dumbass to think he could get away with that.

Had he started sawing off heads or blowing up buildings he would have died just the same.

A theory I'll throw out for review by the group:

The Saudis see the influence of Sunni Islam fading (Iraqi election will almost certainly have a Shiite majority). They stoke up, fund and otherwise enable the radical Wahabis to do three things 1) focus anger of their populace away from the House of Saud and ensure its continuance, 2) undermine Shiite power in Iran (traditional Arab enemy) and elsewhere, and 3) if the trouble spills over to involve the US and Europe (and of course keep Isreal on the defensive) thats gravy.

Face it folks - Bush and the Saudis ARE tight! Moore's conspiracy nonsense and bullshit aside. The fact that few people on LGF care to acknowledge it is rather unsettling. I DO NOT trust the Saudi regime(s) anymore than I do those from Iran, Syria, Morocco, or otherwise. But none of them have ever been to the Crawford Ranch. Prominent Saudis on the other hand...

This is one area I agree with the nutty left - there is nothing anti-american about wishing for alternate fuel sources so we can get OUT of that bag-o'-shit that is the Middle East...

Oh, by the way - trusting the Saudis? No different than the fu*king moonbats bending over for the World Worker's Party. American's embracing Anti-American people to their personal peril. Bush is friends with these people. If Clinton had the head of ANSWER to Chapaqua (sic) I'd be furious! Why do we give Bush a pass on this?

Sorry if this has already been posted but while reading the report this 2-part frontpagemag piece came to mind: Saudi Arabia's Terror Conference: Part I--- Saudi Arabia's Terror Conference: Part II

I had a lovely conservation w/someone tonight who went on & on about how evil John Ashcroft is. The reason? He covered up nude sculptures! This guy is not too bright, and he didn't even get the details right, he thought it was Renaissance paintings. He also went on about flag desecration being OK (I must admit the years ago I thought the same thing). Luckily, his talents at art appreciation are being put to good use. He's a public school teacher.

Eric Cartman - You are right. It is inexcusable that the Saudis are considered our allies. I just don't know what we can do about it now. The funny thing about the LLL - they think the Saudis & the Israelis control the Administration. Yet, they go on and on about how Saddam was not an Islamic fundie, and couldn't have been in cahoots with Al Qaeda. The other thing I have trouble with the Saudis over, is the strange "fact" that they get into these gunfights with "deviants," and the deviants always seem to end up dead. Very convenient. They also have a history of hindering our investigations.

Every administration, not just Bush's, has been tight with the Frauds. It dates back to our original agreements with them during WW2. Don't fucking kid yourself.

And if your still eager to find fault, conspiracy and lay blame, begin by kicking-in the head of every board member of Exxon who, for years, has been the single largest corporate investor there. After that you can move on the Brit's and Bp, the French, the Germans...

jayzuz

#230 Keelie

"And (dare I say it) it usually takes fairly high intellectual capability to understand, especially some of the more technical stuff."

No it doesn't, anyone that invests the time to reading Newcomers paper can understand it. If they find a term they can't understand they can look it up. Having the patience and persistence to learn something new or different is what people lack, not the "high intellectual capability".

#242 Eric Cartman's Conscience

"Why do we give Bush a pass on this?"

Because the western world needs the price of oil to be stable.

I don't remember Clinton being any less friendly to the Saudi's?

#209 Orson Buggy

you are the sad ignorant one. Europe is not a country but a geographic area made up of a number of nations. some of those nations are attempting to act like one but are not. my argument holds true. no single nation consums more oil than the US and by using less there will be less money for the arabs to use in the spread of hate.

Is it time for a blockade of the Saudis? Nothing goes in - nothing goes out. No oil (though that will hurt Europe more than us) true, but also no money, no hate, no Whaabism. Any non-citizen with any of that literature in their possession should be deported post-haste as it in itself is evidence of a desire to overthrow the government. The Saudis are at the root of the whole problem and should be dealt with accordingly.

In 1973. The Saudis and other Arab oil producers hit the US and the Netherlands with oil embargoes.

At that time, there were very serious and knowledgable people in the US developed plans of energy independence, through development of alternative energy sources combined with a reasonable amount of conservation of energy.

The assessment of these plans is that they could make the US entirely independent of imported fuel within 10 years -- that is, by 1983.

But the plans and programs were never put into effect because they were sabotaged by the US oil companies and by other international corporations that did big business with the Arabs, for which the Arabs needed to go on collecting US dollars for their oil.

Even today, any efforts to cut loose from the Saudis -- those Saudis to whom George Bush proclaims himself "bonded" -- will meet the same kind of resistance.

Yes, you're all right that every Administration has been close to the Saudis. It's just now with all of the evidence of their complicity (?), it's more disturbing. Still, to be fair, I don't blame Presidents past or present for the relationship. I'm not sure if there's a way to respond to it properly short of all-out war. In the end, maybe the true US "villains" are the Foggy Bottomers. They seem to value "stability" more than true peace.

To those who think W is a clever man because he's "picking off" the Islamofascist countries one-by-one: while he is very slowly doing this, they are flooding the West in the millions and setting up a vast infrastructure to carry out subversion inside our countries.

By the way, we haven't won the war in Iraq. To be brief, think why: none of the terrorists "arrested" in the thousands in Iraq has been executed. In fact, we took more prisoners (1,400) than killed terrorists (1,200) in the Second Batlle of Fallujah. Bush's kind and gentle method of waging war is costing us in blood and treasure.

And when Iran or Syria, or both, develop nukes or bio-chem weapons and the means to deliver them, the entire strategic landscape will change forever. By not using the full power of the United States--by not crushing the Islamofascists quickly and violently--Bush is guaranteeing that we are going to have both a civil war and a war using weapons of mass destruction.

Bush won't even restrict Muslim immigration, or challenge their subversion in the US.

But there is still pushback in a democracy, even when you win elections with a large popular vote. If we're still fighting in Iraq by spring, Bush will face a Congressional reduction or shutdown of financing for the war. Perhaps face articles of impeachment, submitted by the Dems...but a large number of Repubs will signal their serious displeasure by not publicly defending the president.

Bush announced an ambitious global strategy of democracy as the anidote to Islamic Fascism. Well, if he can't make it stick in Iraq this year--and he hasn't been able to with the Rules of Engagement and war strategy he has in place--that doctrine will collapse much faster than he thinks.

I think Bush's timetable on the war lasted from March 2003 to January 2005 in Iraq. It signals the end of his political immunity.

Three cheers for the Center for Religious Freedom at Freedom House, and for its awesome director, Nina Shea! Nina is a hero in the fight for religious liberty and human rights. Nina's been a tireless advocate for the Christians of Southern Sudan and for all those who are threatened by radical Islam. She is also speaking out about the lack of inclusion for Christians (ChaldoAssyrian, etc.) and other minorities in Iraq.
#252--Baldy:
You are right on! From ten years of trying to get legislation such as the International Religious Freedom Act, the Sudan Peace Act, and others passed...and implemented once they are passed, we have found the appeasers/Arabists at State to be the biggest obstacle.

Why can't they just be kicked out of the US for preaching hatred?

by using less there will be less money for the arabs to use in the spread of hate.

...and then we'll all hold hands and sing together and all be friends...