Excellent timing!
How much does a MSM quack pay to get the time and location or are they part of the Jihad marketing dept.?

A friends daughter was walking in Jeusalem a year or so ago when she saw a CNN van setting up for a telecast. She inquired and was told a "spontaneous" demonstration was about to happen.

The 'slims are playing the media and the media, "if it bleeds, it leads," are only too happy to play along.

Those photojournalists have a wonderful sixth sense about just how far to stand from an exploding device to both not be hurt and get the action shots they need. Do they teach this at colombia?

...so when are our elected representatives going to do something about this enemy? Or will we have to elect citizens that will vigorously defend our country and our constitution?...

Good catch Charles, just read this before coming over as always saving the best for last.

Why do they(foreign press and some national) continue to see what they only want to see? The battle for Iraq does not stop at it's borders or even in the Middle east at large. This is a global battle of information and reporting, the challenges are many and the task not easy but we must continue to point at the relevant and admonish those who continue to try and shape something out of nothing or fabricate a slice of "truth" at the cost of the whole "truth".

AP/Reuters/AFP pushed the button, or watched the button being pushed for the bomb to go off and them to get that picture the split second of the explosion. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...kablamo.

I wouldn't doubt it for one second. We're hearing about all these number of school/polling places getting blown up even during a lockdown, but all I ever see is the one picture or videotape being run over and over and over again. What gives? Hmmmmmmm.

The story actually gets better or worse depending on your point of view. Over at the The Adventures of Chester there's a post about how he saw this video on Fox News. Turns out the Iraqi security forces had shot up this car before the bomber could get to where he wanted to go.

None of this is mentioned in the captions. That would make it good news (again, depending on your point of view) and we can't have any of that!

Screw 'em!

Actually, since the "explosion" was less than explosion than a car erupting in flames (Obsidian Order theorizing that it was a WP shell igniting cans of gasoline) this may have been less active cooperation of the photographers with terrorists, than a "Exploding GM pickup on 'Dateline NBC' " type thing.

2 or 3 photogs wanting a good story chip in to burn up a car for a spectacular picture.

It still aids the jihadis, by portraying to the world that Iraq is too unstable for elections (the jihadis are winning, etc) but the Arab stringers involved may not have actually been in cahoots with al Qaeda or the Ba'athists.

How long do they (whomever 'they' are) think the average person is going to fall for this obvious fakery? It is so lame that unless you r-e-a-l-l-y want to believe it it's gotta seem just a teeny weeny bit suspicious, doncha think?

I mean, come on. The only thing you don't see is some guy lighting the fuse.

BTW, about prior story, if al Qaeda has to recruit suicide bombers in Europe to go to Iraq, might that imply they are running out of Iraqi volunteers willing to splodeydope themselves?

Ed #11,

That's much too optimistic, even for me.

Could be.

The similarities are different.

#7 It means your erstwhile MSM reporter is probably sitting in the al rashid hotel reading the newswire and preparing her report.

I heard FOX news guy Steve Harrigan yesterday saying that if reporters aren't embedded with the troops they end up never leaving the hotel because of the security situation. That's why the same pics over and over.

Try watching MSM newscasts and try to pick out who's closest exposure to what's happening in Iraq is the room service waiter. It's hysterical. Just this morning it was Michele Carruso Cabrera from MSNBC.

#11 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

I've read that the "Al Qaida activist" arrested by the Germans was somehow involved in a plot in connection with President Bush's visit to Mainz next month.

The MSM is in the process of trying to regain absolute control of the flow of information and ideas. Specifically, the freelance 'journalists' they use to support thier position that the US is evil, Iraq is a failure, etc are selected because they can be relied on to provide a certain side of the story. On many issues, the MSM is a pure propaganda machine with a point to make. They have been shown repeatedly to not only report only what supports thier agenda, but will fabricate facts as well.

The current MSM has shown itself to be an enemy of Liberty because true liberty rests on the free flow of information and ideas. They are making a mockery of the First Amendment, which the founders created knowing the power of words and ideas. They gave awesome responsibility and power to the gatekeepers of information. Today, those gatekeepers are either in the employ of the enemy, or have become the enemy within. "What if this were true?" is the only way to read the MSM reporting.

GM will have to recall all 1972 pickups from the middle east. Seriously, Islam operates on fear and hate. That picture is meant to terrorise the voters, so they will stay home. These tactics are not new. It is time for MSM (say CNN?) to call this (these) actions for what they are: obvious fakes, and condemn AP/Reuters/AFP for colluding with the jihadis.

Apparently, Jayson Blair syndrome is catching on amongst the "photojournalistic" fraternity.

It's bad enough that actual bombings are occuring in Iraq. But to have the media aid and abet the perps is unconscionable. Didn't they learn anything from the CBS debacle?

The media have a tiger by the tail....the bloggers. They still don't understand that.

Some lucky photographer is going to get a Pulitizer Prize for this. Or maybe they will share it.

AFP (Agency of Frogie Prestitutes)

AP (dis-Associated Prestitutes),

al-Reuters-Rooter

Do I need say more?

There seems to be a distinct lack of appreciation for "freedom of the press" here.

OT

Environment Canada Global Model says today's Atlanta ice storm/Carolina's-Mid Atlantic ice/sleet/snow storm heads way out to sea. changes its mind, and starts heading west towards New England, with pounding rains, high winds and coastal flooding on the immediate coast, and incredible snows in interior New England.

BTW, Obsidian does mention that these were the stringers who photographed the mutilation of the bodies of the security agents at Fallujah, so they may indeed be working with the jihadis.

Well, in keeping with the theme from an earlier thread, I wonder if the terrorists and their collaborators are collecting insurance checks for their cars. I'm guessing someone reports a car stolen one day andthenblammo its used in an attack like this the next day, with an insurance check sent out the day after that.

UPDATE:

In this photo we see a UFO landing on a polling place in downtown Baghdad.

In this photo we see bigfoot terrorizing voters in Mosul.

Abdul (Terrorist): Ok is everyone in position?
AP: Yep.
Al-reuters: good to go.
CNN: you bet.
AFP: no wait! We are loading our camera.
Abdul: Hurry up AFP we have 2 more staged explosions to do today. can't you frogs do anything right - other then surrender!
AFP: ok ready when you are.
Abdul: 3..2..1..action
(of camera Mohammed blows up the 1970's pinto.)
Al-reuters: ahhhhh crap someone ran infront of my camera.
Abdul: sucks for you, but remember we have 2 more shoots today, so come preparred.
Cnn: don't you worry we will be there before you freedom fighters are.
AP: yes, call us if you need help setting up the next location.

AFP, AP and Reuters all have a long history of this sort of thing. Reuters rountinely mistrepresents the news in order to push its own anti-American positions, even going so far as to report misinformation on polls regarding American popularity or lack thereof. Story on Poll Misrepresentation

An excellent article in the MSM about the MSM by Thomas Sowell:

Fourth estate or fifth column?

There are still people in the mainstream media who profess bewilderment they are accused of bias. But you need look no further than reporting on the war in Iraq to see the bias staring you in the face, day after day, on the Page One of the New York Times and in much of the rest of the media.

If a battle ends with Americans killing 100 guerrillas and terrorists, while sustaining 10 fatalities, that is an American victory. But not in the mainstream media. The headline is more likely to read: "Ten more Americans killed in Iraq today."

This kind of journalism can turn victory into defeat in print or on TV. Kept up long enough, it can even end up in real defeat, when support for the war collapses at home and abroad.

The bias is becoming so totally obvious, in part because of the press' unwillingness to straiten up and fly right (despite the fact they've been exposed) that they will continue to go down in flames.

It's fun to watch.

22 Thom

There seems to be a distinct lack of appreciation for "freedom of the press" here.

LOL!

HUH? Here?

naaaaaaaaaaaaw! We love freedom OF the press, we just hate the Mainstream Press- that's why folks like Charles have created their own PRESS!

In the LLL world

Freedom of the Press= Feedom to DISTORT THE TRUTH in the Press!

oy!

Thom #22,

Sorry.

: )

#23 Ed

OT.....Can I get a weather report for El Puerto de Santa Maria, Spain....We have been freezing over here for the last few days....

Mucho Gracias

#29 eeevil conservative

Well, in a world where Nazis "have, and should have, the same free speech rights as everyone else" what is wrong with IslamoNazis in Iraq exercising their rights of free speech, free association, and their freedom to cover a story in any way they see fit?

Thom

Shouldn't the Nazis be considered a terrorist organization?

makes PERFECT sense to me!

I mean, hell, that's a freedom trifecta! We should be celebrating these journalists, not condemning them.

#28 Geepers

Thanks for posting the Sowell link. You stole my thunder, but every Lizardoid needs to read his piece if they haven't done so already.

#33 eeevil conservative

Terrorists have, and should have, the same rights as everyone else. Just because they express their love of freedom and democracy in a manner different from ours is not cause for us to judge them.

#36 Thom

Agreed; but first we fry 'em.

#24 mich-again

It's called islamic Overhaulin'

Is anyone else as excited about the voting in Iraq today? (tomorrow to them, but ya know what I mean?)

I don't care what LLL creep(journalist) with a mike and a camera or a newspaper outlet tries to say or do....

the fact is... IRAQ IS VOTING!

THIS IS THEIR REVOLUTION

AND THEY WILL VOTE!

GOD BLESS AMERICA..
as they struggle for their own patriotic identity, we are the birthmother, and of THIS, I am very excited and very proud!

#39 eeevil conservative

Is anyone else as excited about the voting in Iraq today? (tomorrow to them, but ya know what I mean?)

No.

Smile, you're on Korandid Camera!

#39 eeevil conservative
I am excited about it. There will be so many stories to emerge. Some will anger me, others will please me. This is humanaity at its most extreme in all the bad and good.

Mike (#35),

You could post it on another thread. ;-)

Thomas Sowell is a straight shooter. He's on my 'list of people that always have an open invitation to dinner'.

After T. Kennedy's drivel and Babs Boxers' rants...the photogs seem to pale in comparison....although just as disgusting Frankly it makes me ill that these treasonous snakes call themselves American

Mr Pol

? HUH?
DANG!

#39 EC

I am extremely excited to see this vote. I for one, know the historic significance this holds. Wish more people did.

#39 eeevil conservative,

I wonder which fly in the ointment MSM "journalists" are going to be picking on tomorrow.
Voters are using the wrong ink?

#42 RWNJ

Amen!

It's GREAT

I have butterflies in my tummy and I am almost giddy.

I mean there are times when I think of how awesome it would have been to be one of the great pioneers and watching and helping the US to gain freedom. It's not the same-(today, with Iraq) but it is still awesome.

I will one day get to tell my grandkids about this day. about how the country was so ripped and udner attack abroad AND within, and how our great President stayed the course, and believed as our forefathers had. WOW

Proud to be an American.......

#45 eeevil conservative

Look, I understand that it's worth trying, but I'm convinced it won't work. IMO not only is Islam incompatible with democracy, but tribalism is, too. I'd like to be proven wrong by seeing democracy succeed in a tribalist ROPer country, yeah, but...

An interesting article in the NRO

They're Paranoid, We're Blasé - The civilized world needs to answer Islamist conspiracy propaganda.

[Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]

We are aware that we are fighting an enemy that is also within- which I understood as referring to islamists. I now think that the MSM is the real enemy within.

Time to fight back.

Mr Pol,

Agreed. First they are given the chance to reform from within. If it doesn't work...

#46 kawfytawk

AMEN! so do I!

#47 hm

I wonder which fly in the ointment MSM "journalists" are going to be picking on tomorrow.

Voters are using the wrong ink?

LOL! not sure what they'll try, but I'm sure it will be creative!

listen Mr Pol after a week of Boxer, Kennedy, Evan B, and the MSM's continued clubbing of the baby seal-like American psyche , it is a MICHAIYA to watch the News today

NO MATTER HOW THEY SPIN IT, THE SIGHT OF THOSE DANCING, LAUGHING, CRYING, OLD ((THE 91 YEAR SOBBING) AND BABY IRAQI VOTERS CUT THROUGH ALL THE BULLSHIT.

TRUTH WILL SET THEM FREE

#48 eeevil conservative

It's not the same-(today, with Iraq) but it is still awesome.

There are so many things the same. First and foremost is human nature - that is exactly the same. There is the intervention by foreign powers and the internal power struggles being waged. Even during our revolutionary period, there were many colonists who did not want to do anything to make the lords angry. That is the same today.

OT

Apparently there's just been an attack on the US Embassy in Baghdad resulting in fatalities.

#51 Bob with one O

Agreed. First they are given the chance to reform from within. If it doesn't work...

Sounds like the 'give time to Abbas' bullshit, don't you think? In the end, it will waste lives.

OK, so maybe there's more of a chance in Iraq. Maybe.

EVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVIL MWAH*
I AM SOOOOOOOOOO WITH YOU

FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH, BLOODIED AND BRUTAL

THE BIRTH OF A NATION

#56 Mr. Pol

Nothing is impossible with G-d.

well......

to each their own.

I am thrilled. Even if the Iraqi's don't have the grit to grasp freedom, I know what WE did was INCREDIBLE.

Besides, ya'll are just falling for all the negative crap the media feeds us. These are people. REAL PEOPLE. They have dreams and ambitions.

They are scared, and understandably so, but I believe they will rise to the occasion in the end. I mean, if the French had sided with Britain instead of the Colinists, who knows how we would have turned out. Right now- Iran, Syria, and Al-Qaida are still running the streets like thugs.

We are getting closer and closer, every day there is progress...
not perfect, but we are determined.......

#53 AtlasShrugged

I can watch the news without being 'excited' about 'em.

Well, all the MSM was talking about when Afghanistan had its first elections was that they used the wrong ink.

Then, on the following day or so, it was discovered that the UN was in fact responsible for the ink and no one in the MSM ever mentioned the "story" again.
After all, if its UN approved ink, it must be good.

Mr Pol,

I was speaking to Iraq. The Palo problem has IMO run it's course (the pt is terminal).

#50 DP111

I now think that the MSM is the real enemy within.

The enemy? For exercising their 1st Amendment rights? For having a different POV?

#58 Obi-Wan

Nothing is impossible with G-d.

I already posted this answer...

A rock-climber slipped and started to fall down. Luckily he managed to catch a root and hang on, but the root was slowly coming out - and he knew he'd fall to his death when it finally broke. So he shouted,

"Help! Is there anybody around?"
"Yes. Me! I'm your G-d. Let go of that root, I'm sending a squad of angels to bring you down safely!"

The rock climber looked down again, then looked at the root, and finally shouted,

"Is there anybody else?"

re my #61
this comment was meant for #52 eeevil conservative,

ATLAS!

HEY THERE HUN!

You really should check out my post on Striaght Up today--- it is one of my best I think--

I teared while writing it.

I hope Iraqis tomorrow realize that if they see cameras setting up at the polling stations, it means they should run like hell.

#64 Mr. Pol

Old joke. Not particularly funny when I first heard it. Shows a pitiful lack of faith.

ANY mohammedan over the age of sixteen should be regarded as the enemy and dealt with accordingly.

Insanity ---
We are training, arming and allowing the enemy access to our secure areas.
We are rebuilding the country invaded while the war is still being waged.
We are trying to bring an enemy with a cultural mindset of the Middle Ages into instant accord with foreign concepts such as democracy that are opposed by their religion.

I'm all for the war, a real war, but this Alice-in-wonderland version is scary for all and deadly for our noble warriors.

54 RWNJ

EXACTLY!

61 hm

LOL! soooo true! If we had supplied the ink it would have been a vast conspiracy intended to prolong our 'IMPERIALIST OCCUPATION!"

oy!

I share much of Mr Pol skepticism about the elections but I am curious to see what will be the strategic result of this day.

I mean: with an Iraqi government legally elected, it will much easier to face Iran and Syria.
And an Iraqi government can officially ask our help in dealing with them.

nagasaki hata,

War evolves too.

Here's what happens to terrorists when they mess with the wrong outfit. WARNING: GRAPHIC

#68 Obi-Wan

Old joke. Not particularly funny when I first heard it. Shows a pitiful lack of faith.

Maybe. I noticed that G-d mostly helps those that attempt to help themselves. IMO relying on him should be the last resort, not the first. YMMV.

56 OT

Argument strategy for Lizards. Was talking to an LLL friend last night who said she wanted to get into immigration law. She said her views were "very conservative" on the subject. Naturally, I asked her views on Muslim immigration. She said she saw no reason for any special restrictions.

I said, "Imagine there were a certain country in which it was established that 10-15% of the populace was infected with a dangerous disease -- like AIDS -- that could not be easily detected. Wouldn't it make sense to ban immigrants from that country entirely, or should we allow an open influx of them, 10-15% of whom constitute a clear danger to the U.S? She agreed that ban made sense, especially in light of all the other potential immigrants from other countries who were not infected. Well, it's the same concept with Muslims -- 10-15% are "infected" with Islamism, so shouldn't the same strategy apply?

After a couple of incoherent mumbles about "racism," she agreed. Try it.

#56 Mr Pol, I don't think it is to see if islam and democracy are compatible. I think of it as a test to see if enough Iraqis would like to be secular Arabs again or any other culture they come from in a modern world; focusing on the compatible. Their choice. Some Arabs I have worked with in the States dispise islam. Are there enough of them in Iraq?

#67 AlexM

I hope Iraqis tomorrow realize that if they see cameras setting up at the polling stations, it means they should run like hell.

The MSM as early warning system? LOL!

#76 Roger

I don't see even secular Iraqis getting rid of tribalism. That's why I think democracy will not succeed in Iraq, even if I understand that it must be attempted.

Can anybody help Thom out? I worry Thom is tripping or under the control of LLL aliens. Thom! Don't look at the light!

#74 Mr Pol

G-d as a LAST resort?

A year and a half in Viet Nam taught me otherwise.

#77: Exaclty--the MSM as an early warning system.

Imagine the feelings of that poor sucide bomber. What if you blew yourself and nobody came? It would be enough to make Al Franken cry.

RWNJ

Glad to see you here!

You really pose some great points about human narute!

brilliant....jsut brilliant!

#80 Obi-Wan

G-d as a LAST resort?

A year and a half in Viet Nam taught me otherwise.

You mean you didn't bother keeping your head down?

#79 Roger

After the Nazi thread last night I had my brain surgically removed. I have the option of having it put back, but if I like being brainless, I might just stay this way.

#60 Mr Pol

I can watch the news without being 'excited' about 'em.

so can a deadman

Meanwhile, the French media sweeps ritual execution of Jews in France under the rug: The New York Sun: Quelling Racist Murder in France.

Adel's mother saw her son take the carving knife and fork from the kitchen; he came back a short time later, covered in blood, and told her, "I've killed my Jew, I can go to paradise." He told the police that he had no remorse, no regrets, because Allah told him to kill Sebastien. They transferred him from the police station to a general hospital and from there to a psychiatric hospital. As of this writing, the Selam family lawyer is playing his last card; he has one last chance to convince the court to open an investigation. If the request is denied, the case will be closed. No investigation, no arrest, no trial. The murderer will some day be released from the mental hospital. The Selam family is sentenced to a life of mourning.

#83 Mr Pol

Don't be obtuse. Of course I kept my head down. G-d also imbued me with a sharp sense of self-preservation.

And, I have to say, being relieved of the burden of thinking, making judgments and distinctions and instead just reciting bromides really takes the edge off existence. It's kinda warm and fuzzy. I can understand the attraction.

#78 Mr Pol

I don't see even secular Iraqis getting rid of tribalism.

I believe that is one of the great challenges for their Constiutional Convention. The new Iraqi constitution must find a clever way to assure that tribalism does not destroy the country.

#84 Thom, had you caught on that certain posters were speaking in tongues about ya on an even earlier thread?;-)

P.S. Be aware of [Link: www.google.com...] and it's language tools:

[Link: www.google.com...]

#85 AtlasShrugged

Yep, part of me died in Maalot. So? What's your point?

The

A Baghdad resident runs away from a car engulfed in flame

looks like one of the photographers.

But, I am willing to state the assertion that each polling place has a bunch of photographers lying in wait for a car bomb to photo, and so that staging is not necessary - they will simply run out at the sound and start shooting. The school is being used as a voting center, and the reporters must have been aware and I'm sure planned to spend the entire day there, car - bomb or no car- bomb.

evvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvil
link me to your website and i'll bookmark it!
which i thought i had done but didnt :-(

#90 Roger

Huh? Where?

#73

Mmm, filet of soulless.

#39 eeevil conservative

I am very excited. I don't think I'll be able to sleep much tonight, knowing that history is being made toward democracy, and against despots in the middle east

#63 Thom

"a different point of view?"

You've got to be kidding me. The whole point is that the ONLY point of view that the MSM portrays is the anti-American one. A "different point of view" would be one where the "insurgents" are portrayed as the monsters they are and the American military as our very motivated brothers, sisters, sons, fathers, etc., who are trying to make the world a better place. The MSM prefers to make stuff up and stage scenes like this one to make the US look bad. Any positive development is ignored, whitewashed, or spun. In this case, the "reporters" are acting as the propaganda arm of people bent on killing innocent civilians, children, cutting heads off, etc. actively participating in concert with terrorists. They are the enemy. I don't think the first amendment has much to do with it. These "reporters" are part of the enemy's army, and they are very effective.

#91 Mr Pol

got it.......damaged

ok, so throw up your hands?...............NEVER
Never give up and never give in

PLEASE be a part of our solution.
Apathy, indifference are a cancer (part of the larger problem)

Atlas!

Sure!

Straight Up

and MUAHH* back at ya!

#87 Obi-Wan

Don't be obtuse. Of course I kept my head down. G-d also imbued me with a sharp sense of self-preservation.

So you decided you'd first make yourself a smaller target... didn't you trust G-d to stop VC fire?

I believe he'll help for things I can't do by myself, but if I don't do anything, well, why should he bother? Call that a lack of faith if you want.

OT

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Tories accuse Blairs New Labour poster as anti-semitic

#89 Right Wing Nut Job

I believe that is one of the great challenges for their Constiutional Convention. The new Iraqi constitution must find a clever way to assure that tribalism does not destroy the country.

Yes. The thing is, the provisional gov't went so many times to the tribal leaders...

96 Pamela

I am very excited. I don't think I'll be able to sleep much tonight, knowing that history is being made toward democracy, and against despots in the middle east

I know what you mean!

I couldn't sleep LAST night, I was soo excited.

Was up 'til 5:30 am!

We had a Lizardoid Karaoke Party...
well, for the sake of avoiding thorough embarrassement, I'll just leave it at that.

Have a feeling realwest will have a tad of a headache today though! LOL!

it was not pretty, very fun....but not pretty....

gotta run......be looking for you later Mr Pol mwah!

Back when you were suleimanajic main antagonist?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

In #326 I don't see a post number to you but I believe it was written to you? Check out the speaking in tongues;)

#97 Drew

Well, if that's how they choose to exercise their 1st Amendment rights, who are we to judge? It's difficult to imagine anything more-anti-American than a so-called American who would squelch freedom of the press.

Sorry Mr Pol,

Gotta disagree. Part may or may not have died but I believe you are more aware of life now. You sound eerily similar to several of the vets here.

I do wonder how you can work in France.

Anybody spot Gunga Dan in the vicinity?

Well here we are on Planet Earth. We have those on the Left that wish they could go back to the time when their idea of man coming out of the trees should of fell and broke his or her leg.

I have come to the thought that the people from Europe and Africa and some of those from the middle East and furthered by the Main Stream Media (MSM) would like to see technology go away, that is why they hate the United States. You see when people are free then they advance to the idea that we as a people could become great. I think the Left would wish to go back to the 3rd Century so they could have those special people over the little little people. Ha ha Back when the idea that kings were made by god to rule over the little little people.

I think I now understand why the Left tried to be little Dr. Condoleezza Rice. Here is a Lady that was free to become something so much more then a maid.

The Left does not like it when people are free. That is why they are against anything that spreads freedom in the world. They want to go back to a time when you were born then they control you during your life and then you died. I have friends from Jordan and they can trace their family back to the 3rd Century AD in the same house.

We can understand why France hates us. Our people are free to become all they can be and more. France tried to get the America people confined to a slender band of territory along the eastern seaboard during the Treaty of Paris in 1783 and if they had got what they wanted we would looked a little like a north American version of Chile.

The Left has always been an enemy to those that wanted to be Free. The United Nation is our main enemy whether we want to believe it or not. I think the UN is using religion against the people of earth. They have used old hatreds and old hostility that have been around for a very long time. If we knew the truth the Left is more then likely the ones that cause the hostility in the first place.

I have been told that Plato believed that mankind was inherently divine and one day would become intelligent enough that man would need no more government.

I have also been told that Aristotle believed that mankind was inherently evil and the only true form was the state.

Guess which is the Left?

So I think the Left is the Media.

#102 Mr Pol
I agree. So we will see what they do. The futurew of this is bound to be a wacky ride.

Photos of a "fake but accurate" propaganda event by some of the worlds favorite "news" and "opinion shaping" media suppliers. Did they pay the news actors who presented the video version I saw on the "news" SAG rates?

#100 Mr Pol

Now you're just being obstinate. I didn't come here looking for a fight or an arguement; especially on the nature of one's relationship with G-d.

If you don't acknowledge Him and your dependency upon Him. Why should He lift a finger for you?

You have it backwards.

#105 Roger

One of the side effects of my brainectomy is that I'm considerably slower than I was before, so I'm still not getting it. But if it's from Suleiman the Moronic I'm probably not missing much. :)

I can understand Mr Pol's pessimism, but I think it not helpful.

The changes towrds secularism and away from tribalism in Iraq will not happen overnight. Tomorrow's elections will probably mark the end of the beginning, not the beginning of the end.

It will take one generation, I think, before we the arab societies can be renewed to an appreciable extent. Yes, some bad things can happen in the meantime, and the Islamists must not obtain nuclear wepaons, that's must. But any other quick solution is so horrifying that I want to consider it only as a last chance.

105 Roger

suleimanajic is a lost little ninny......

not mush else to say about it.......

#98 AtlasShrugged

Damaged? Maybe. Mostly I stopped giving warnings and second chances.

Again, while I understand why it must be tried, I don't expect this to work at all. I'd really like to be proven wrong, because the next step is all-out war, and it won't be pretty. Do you really think I should be 'excited' about something that I believe will fail?

#107 Bob with one O

I do wonder how you can work in France.

The nature of the job makes it easier.

What's wrong with Thom? A sort of elaborate joke, an impersonator or what?

I'd add : The European "intellectuals" are the enemy , too.

An Italian "intellectual", an "anti-fascist" communist , has recently wrote, on one of the most famous Italian newspapers , that "It's wrong to label Zarqawi as a terrorist. He is fighting against the US occupation"

So, to this old man, Zarqawi ( him who killed Fabrizio Quattrocchi and the Italian soldiers in Nassiriyah ), is not a terrorist.. it's part of the "resistance" !

#112 Obi-Wan

If you don't acknowledge Him and your dependency upon Him. Why should He lift a finger for you?

Agreed. Have faith, and do as much as you can. There is no contradiction there.

Kennedy: U.S. Troops Restrict Al Qaeda Civil Rights

(2005-01-28) -- The U.S. occupation force in Iraq is placing unconstitutional restrictions on the free speech rights of Al Qaeda and former members of Saddam Hussein's Ba'ath party, according to Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-MA, who today introduced a resolution expressing "solidarity with our repressed brethren in the Iraq insurgency."

"Just as in our country, flag burning and pornography distribution are the most sacred of forms of protected speech, so in Iraq legitimate car-bombings and beheadings must be protected as political expression," said Mr. Kennedy. "The Bush administration is clearly trying to deny these Iraqis, and their foreign guests, their basic civil rights. This is the most insidious brand of cultural and religious discrimination."

[Link: www.brentrasmussen.com...]

I'd like to ask a favor: Regardless of one's political inclination, irrespective of your confidence in the electoral process employed, or the decision to invade and occupy Iraq, no matter what the outcome, let us all stand united in our admiration for those courageous Iraqi's who will brave gunfire, RPGs, bombs, and reprisal, to determine their own fate? For they choose to do so in bold defiance of promised violence and certain intimidation.

as Glenn Reynolds said "well said, indeed"

#118 FabioC.

Thom is still immensely pissed off from last night's Nazi thread. That it was preceded by a thread in which the Allies were excoriated for being complicit in the Holacaust ain't helping either.

I'm starting to think I probably don't belong here. Although I will miss it very much.

#121 Geepers

Art imitates life.

Or is it the other way around?

Whatever.

#119 Stefania

Could you please tell me the name of the guy ?
Who is this "intellectual" ?
Thank you.

#113 Thom, if your curious spend time with the non English on that page and the google language tools. Amazing what ya can learn. I found it incredibly funny. Just sayin'

Lepanto : his name is Gianni Vattimo.

He uses to write for "L'Unità" and "La Repubblica"

#114 FabioC.

I'm not pessimistic. I'm a realist. All elections in ROPer countries until today have been of the "one man, one vote, one time" kind. So my expectations are very, very low. If this was the second free election in a row, my expectations would be quite high.

121 Geepers

LOL! That is satire-- but just so dern believable these days--- the murderous (wooops- did I just say that?) jerk is totally derailed these days!

#122 Pamela

Now that, I agree with. The courage of those people should be admired.

#120 Mr Pol

Of course, "The Lord helps those who help themselves." I also believe in the ultimate victory of good over evil. I also think the LLL has had too many wins lately and that it may be time for the pendulum to swing the other way for a change.

Always take the long-range view into consideration.

allah willing

If allah wishes

"A strict belief in fate is the worst of slavery, imposing upon our necks an everlasting lord and tyrant, whom we are to stand in awe of night and day."Epicurus

"The true greatness of a nation is in those qualities which constitute the greatness of the individual." Charles Sumner

#123 Thom

That it was preceded by a thread in which the Allies were excoriated for being complicit in the Holacaust ain't helping either.

The railroad bombings again? I understand why you're pissed... and I'm patting myself in the back for avoiding that thread :-)

#123 Thom

I'm starting to think I probably don't belong here

You are kiddin', aren't you ?

You are so important and respected here, we need you. Your work has always been precious !

"The Lord helps those who help themselves."

That is a quote by Benjamin Franklin, not a verse in the Bible....

I try to avoid the whole religion talk on this site--- I am so conservative- some may think I am a whig--- but I just have to make sure some don't actually think it is out of the Bible....

consider this a Public Service Announcement......done Straight Up style.....

okay... now back to our regularly scheduled program.....

Charles, the quote button is inverting the P end-tag.

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we love ya!

#127 Stefania

The philosopher ? I can't believe it.

I should have expected it.

#135 eeevil conservative

Never claimed to be quoting from the Bible.

Ol' Ben is good enough for me.

I avoided the Auschwitz thread too, because I came to understand that such thread are more or less as stable as impure nitroglycerine. See what ahppened with Cousin Dave too.

But suggesting that the Allies were accomplices of the Nazis in the Holocaust, is at least a gross inaccuracy.

Pound on me for being a moron if you like, but...

With,

· the World Media lusting for anything at all that is anti-American, anti-coalition, anti-democracy, anti-stability, anti-reform, anti-conservative ...

· and paying handsomely for pictures or video, for captions and enthusiastic man-on-the-street horror and shock recountings

· zillions of photo-enabled cell phones in Iraq (it having virtually no other "phone system")

· and there being obvious 'hot spots' for precipitating sellable "newsworthy" collateral,

Then it isn't all that unlikely that a half dozen different views of the same explosion were caught. Really.

An old munitions and demolision friend of mine took one look and concluded that virtually all of the pictures were taken no LESS than 20 seconds from the actual blast, and most around 35 to 45. Gives credibility to the idea that the factoids above actually explain the "incredible" coincidence.

GoatGuy

#135 eeevil conservative

That is a quote by Benjamin Franklin, not a verse in the Bible...

Benjamin Franklin? That's good enough for me.

139 Obi-Wan

Oh, I know you weren't claiming to quote from the Bible, I just wanted to clear that up--- 'cause most people claim it is and many assume it is....... didn't mean to infer that you were actually claiming it from the Bible--- that one thing is just a pet peve of mine- so I always chime in to give that fact out...

And yes-- O' Ben is great-- but again- no one HERE wants to hear my rants on this topic......

OT, I just took a short drive to the Iraqi election center in Southgate, Michigan to witness the goings on there and take a few pictures. It was a peaceful, upbeat atmosphere with Iraqi music blaring over loudspeakers, entire families pouring in and out of the old HQ store, campaigners handing out flyers, tour buses coming and going, media types interviewing voters and an occasional "looolooolooolooo!" in the distance.

I spoke with quite a few of the Iraqis in the parking lot and they were all pretty joyful with the whole occasion and grateful for this opportunity. "Its a great day!" an older man who brought his grandchildren told me as he shook my hand and got into his car.

The security guards weren't real happy that I was just walking around taking pictures without credentials and they were asking on their radios if I was even allowed there, so I didn't hang out too long for fear of having my camera confiscated. Not real organized thats for sure, but what elections ever are.

A Reuters photographer asked me who I was with. I told her I was just a blogger, and she just smiled and walked away.

So however it plays out in the media, let me say that it was a festive, peaceful, family atmosphere with very little security and lots of smiles. Congratulations to Iraqi people and God bless the US military for making it all possible.

I'll try to figure out how to e-mail a few pictures to Charles later.

#121 Geepers

The U.S. occupation force in Iraq is placing unconstitutional restrictions on the free speech rights of Al Qaeda and former members of Saddam Hussein's Ba'ath party, according to Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-MA, who today introduced a resolution expressing "solidarity with our repressed brethren in the Iraq insurgency."

Un-fuckin-believable.

I hope the Republican leadership in the Senate has the brains and the fortitude to give Kennedy's bill in support of the oppressed Iraqi's (ie the Baathist and al-Qaeda terrorists) the proper level of debate - about 2 or 3 days of floor debate where every Republican Senator condemns Kennedy.

This guy is an embarassment, to the country, to his party, and to his constituents.

#143 eeevil conservative

Always enjoy your rants. And your blog.

#121 Geepers

Arrgh - you got me - didn't check the link, just your post.

Nevermind.........

/very red faced in embarassment

146 Obi-Wan

WOW! Thanks so much, I am very flattered.

{turning a little red}

Thom (#123),

What disappointed me the most about that thread was the number of people who were willing to suggest that it was just a poor choice of words (as if the author would not think about his choice of words on such a controversial subject.) And that excuse is especially unfitting in light of the second half of the sentence that claimed that that complicity was "a mirror" of the direct aid that is given to the PLO today.

#149 Geepers

Would you mind not discussing it on this thread?

why do i have the distinct feeling that i am missing something?

Mr Pol (#133),

and I'm patting myself in the back for avoiding that thread

You're a better man than me.

Fortunately, I'm pretty flame retardant. :-)

#151 eeevil conservative

why do i have the distinct feeling that i am missing something?

Huh? In what regard?

#151 eeevel conservative

Such as?

Athos (#147),

That it could be believed is a sign of just how far the LLL's in Congress have slipped.

#152 Geepers

I've been taught to flank free-fire zones, that's all :-)

#128 Mr. Pol

I'm not pessimistic. I'm a realist. All elections in ROPer countries until today have been of the "one man, one vote, one time" kind. So my expectations are very, very low. If this was the second free election in a row, my expectations would be quite high.

Well, ya gotta start somewhere. What if all the virgins decided never to try sex because they had never done it before and might not get it right? What if all the brand new non-virgins said "I shaved my legs for THIS?" and decided that it was a waste of time, effort, and disposable razers? What if all the business owners that went broke decided that business sucks and vowed "never again" when they went bankrupt?

First time efforts are usually pretty sad. The people that are too frightened to make the first effort never get the opportunity to correct and move on.

Mr Pol (#150),

Consider it done.

#141, Goat Guy. You seem to have an abiding faith in coincidence and cell phones. Might there be room for any other alternate theories? Study the photos and see if there is are a few hints.

#157 SwampWoman

What if all business owners that ever started a business had always decided that business sucks without even having to go bankrupt? Would you expect your friends to be excited when you started you own business? I don't think so. Supportive, yes. Closely watching, yes. But excited?

#162 Mr Pol

Methinks thou hast abided in Fwance far too long. It's starting to rub off.

LOL!

RWNJ, American Infidel, Obi-Wan, Mr Pol, etc....

okay.....

I was referring to the lack of "action" at the moment!
But if there is fireworks elsewhere- that kinda helps explain it.... not sure why, but, oh well-- probably much "safer" to just stay here.

Oh well, I think I will sleep peacefully tonight, but tomorrow probably I'll watch closely the news from Iraq. It's a quite important moment however you think.

SwampWoman (#157),

Well said, ... but aren't you supposed to be studying? ;-)

#163 Obi-Wan

Fwance and the EU love this election. They are convinced it will lead to another dictatorship which will demand the US leave. I do not agree with that.

oy--- troll at straight up referring to Caesar Rodney as a "traitor to the British Empire"-- LOL!

I wonder if that troll recognizes the word "EMPIRE" in its sentence?

LOL!

gotta love it!

#165 FabioC.

Oh well, I think I will sleep peacefully tonight, but tomorrow probably I'll watch closely the news from Iraq. It's a quite important moment however you think.

I agree and will do the same thing - and pray nobody is murdered by terrorists while casting a vote. That, too, is important.

#167 Mr Pol

Fwance and the EU have been known to be wrong in the past. I think we both hope they are wrong this time, too.

#162 Mr. Pol

What if all business owners that ever started a business had always decided that business sucks without even having to go bankrupt? Would you expect your friends to be excited when you started you own business? I don't think so. Supportive, yes. Closely watching, yes. But excited?

Excitement abounds wherever I go or whatever I do, Mr. Pol. My friends and enemies both are quite pleased and even excited when I take a job working for somebody else either in a self-employed or an employee capacity because then they get to make bets as to how long I get to impersonate a nicely dressed, sweet, demure church lady until somebody pisses me off.

I love this.

OT:
Sarah W, an American of mixed European/ American Indian ancestry who is a convert to Islam, answers questions at the Straight Dope forums.

#171 Swamp Woman

I get to impersonate a nicely dressed, sweet, demure church lady

Now that's an image I never imagined of you!

#166 Geepers

Well said, ... but aren't you supposed to be studying? ;-)

Yes, I am! Thank you, I suppose I better go back to the *&^% research again. Well, at least I can do the bibliography and the title page. And maybe the introduction.

Hi eeevil et. al.

Like some of you, I'm incredibly excited about the elections in Iraq. LIke others of you, I'm a wee bit pessimistic about the short term outcome.

In the long-term, thoug -- two generations, perhaps three -- the Arab world may eventually mirror the freedoms of the West. At least some of them.

In world historical terms, and I'm not being weirdly Hegelian here, doesn't it seem like 'peoples' tend to be freer? Tribal leaders were replaced by kings who were replaced by despots OR democrats (statists or populists). Iraq may just be a straggler in this overall devolution of power to ordinary people. Maybe not, but it seems like so many countries and peoples are freer than they were a hundred, two hundred ... thousand years ago.

Just a thought

K

Right Wing Nut Job (#174),

Now that's an image I never imagined of you!

No doubt.

This is the image I get of SwampWoman:

"I was trying to blow his brains out is what I was trying to do."

3 Suspects in Embassy Attack Captured

http://www.foxnews.com/index.html

Maybe someone got a picture of them also..

#174 RWNJ

Now that's an image I never imagined of you!

Yeah, but unsuspecting fools out there just see the me dressed in the heels and tastefully tailored conservative suits with my briefcase now that I'm not in the construction business no mo'. They can't see the inner redneck until I get a little aggravated.

Hey, here's video of that punkass bitch Al Franken crying. This is just too funny.
Waaaahhh...

179 SwampWoman

construction business

23 years in the business . I know what you mean..

#177 Geepers

He pulled out his .380-caliber handgun and shot one of the suspects.

Yeah, and Swamp Woman wouldn't use a wimpy .380, either!

I think it would feel so good to see a photo series, un-Photoshopped, and captioned as follows:

An Iraqi boy runs past a car just as it explodes in front of al-Reuters headquarters--- which was intended for use as an Islamofascist propaganda center...

#181 BBEV

23 years in the business . I know what you mean..

Yep, it ain't a place for no shrinkin' violets, is it?

(Of course, now I'm in places where everybody is nurturing and careful of feelings, etc.; in other words, hell.)

#182 Right Wing Nut Job

Probably this, in 7.62x39...

#184 SwampWoman

now I'm in places where everybody is nurturing and careful of feelings, etc.; in other words, hell.

LOL!

#176 hermeneutics

great point-- i think you are onto something..... it is all a work in progress......freedom is the ache of the heart....

Not suprised. They stage, fabricate, twist, manipulate, lie and cheat in order to make the U.S. look bad and make the mission seem like a failure.

Juat this morning we tuned into the good old network news. After trying not to listen to Michael Jackson and Hollyweird crap, we finally got a news story on the Iraqi election during the last 2 minutes of the broadcast. Did they show election preparations in Iraq and tell positive stories of voters here? Nope. They showed footage of explosions. Why am I not suprised.

It doesn't matter how well the election goes. The media will shiat on it. Look at out own elections. The howling moonbats consider any loss to be cheating by the other side. This is even when it's plain that they cheated only to still lose.

In a battle that kills 5 Americans and 300 terrorists, they will twist it until it becomes a shameful waste and loss for the side of good. God forbid you show scenes of peace. Only show footage from inside the Suni Triangle. When no explosion is imminent to perpetuate your slant, go create one.

I'm sick of these bastiches and hope Ted Kennedy and every anti-freedom, anit-American propaganist jerk goes to hell soon.

Rant over for now.

Just call us those kooky Americans.... We go ahead do things that others think won't work, like, say, Afghanistan....

I don't know where Puerto Santa Maria, Espa&ntildea is.

Madrid hit 0 this morning, which is cool, but is 6 now.

I'm guessing (haven't even looked) it is between 6 and 8 here in Houston, as I was out raking leaves a little while ago. I didn't have the right kind of rake, but I did what I could.

I'm not sure what kind of tree that is in my front yard, but after the sub-zero snap with the once every 15 years snow flurries, it dropped about 2/3rds of its leaves, but about a third are still green and attached, perhaps tricked into staying on by the near 30 degree temps of a couple of weeks ago.

Usually, that tree drops all its leaves around Christmas, and starts budding out again in late March.

Ok, it is now 11C, but it was 9C last hour when I was raking.

Gotta go, my wife got us pedicures at a spa for Christmas.

Beautiful phraseology, eeeevil:

Freedom is an ache in the heart.

Sounds like a book title to me! Or, song lyrics.

Nice.

Fake but accurate

*sigh*

is it too early for a silver bullet?

#182 RWNJ

Yeah, and Swamp Woman wouldn't use a wimpy .380, either!

Well, use the right tools for the right job, I always said. Bein' a basically lazy person, I'd hate to have to shoot somebody or something twice when once really should do the job.

#189 Bubble Girl

Just call us those kooky Americans... We go ahead do things that others think won't work, like, say, Afghanistan...

The jury's still out on that one. The power of the local, tribal warlords has not been broken. Will Hamid Karzai be able to break that power and turn Afghanistan into a somewhat democratic country? Not as long as Saudi Arabia keeps funding the warlords, and Iran, Pakistan and China keep arming them...

#194 SwampWoman,

Then be accurate :-)

Mr. Pol

At least we are trying, along with our little coalition of countries.. Sometimes trying is better than doing nothing at all.

#191 hermeneutics

thanks.... I guess it does sound quite profound...hmmmm maybe a good title for tomorrow's post

thanks for the idea!

#194 Swamp Woman

Gun Control= Hittin' what yer aimin' at!

#190 Ed

LOL, now here's a fellow not afraid to get a pedicure..

Gotta go, my wife got us pedicures at a spa for Christmas.

#197 Bubble Girl

At least we are trying, along with our little coalition of countries.. Sometimes trying is better than doing nothing at all.

Yup. It has to be tried. No question about that. Just don't expect a quick victory.

Mr Pol (#185),

Probably this, in 7.62x39...

From your link:

720 Round Magazine

Now that's what I call home protection.

Should hold 'em off far at least a couple of minutes. ;-)

#180 JammieWearing

That's right up there with the Barbara Boxer sob fest the other day. Charles should create a "Crybaby Corner" LG.F

#202 Geepers

I'm trying to buy one, but importing it in Israel seems to be difficult :-(

DANG! SHEP has got the story man!

7 of 'em BUSTED!

WOOOOOHOOOOOO!

God bless America

God Bless OUR TROOPS!

I am just so excited!

Keep reporting all the dern terrorists getting caught and busted!

PIMF

Crybaby Corner at L.G.F.

eeevil conservative,

is it too early for a silver bullet?

Hell no!

Besides, I hate drinking alone. ;-)

#201 Mr Pol

Dubya said it would take a long time.

I LOVE FOX News...

THEY ARE POUNDING OUT SOME GREAT NEWS!

I AM SOOOOOOOOO EXCITED!

{jumping up and down clapping..... tears of joy}

Imagine....VOTING IN IRAQ!

oh, how Saddam must just be so.......... HAHAHAHAHAHA!

#195 Mr Pol

Not as long as Saudi Arabia keeps funding the warlords, and Iran, Pakistan and China keep arming them...

Then we're going to have to smack those mosquitos down, aren't we?

A realist and a pessimist are driving on a zig-zaggy mountain road. Suddenly the brakes fail, and they start careening all over the road and against the guard-rails.

Just as death becomes certain, a man rides up to their car on a motorcycle, jumps onto the top of the car, and crawls into the window. The pessimist for once is filled with hope, and asks, "How are you going to save us?"

As the car screeches off a cliff, the man responds, "It'll all turn out good. I'm an optimist."

Just before hitting the ground, the realist says, "I just knew it."

/bad joke

#210 Earth2moonbat

China's a big mosquito.

#208 Obi-Wan

Dubya said it would take a long time.

Given the size of the mosquitos, I think he's right.

#193 eeevil conservative - You're up and awake and talking about silver bullet already?! Man, I' m getting old!

#211 pookleblinky

Remember, optimists think we live in the best possible world. Pessimists fear they might be right.

#211 pookleblinky

Nonsense! A realist would have checked the brakes before ldriving on a zigzagging mountain road.

Earth2moonbat

EXACTLY!

I mean all this "? soldiers dead so far." The body counts, blah blah blah.....

every life is precious... but if we had lost THAT same amount of our own boys on the intial invasion we would have considered it a success. It is only the daily montra of one more, 3 more, etc that actually has an effect.

MANY more died trying to free us from the Brit's....

And the Brits did not have mass graves of Colonists.....

Sad, others cannot see the absolute pure brilliant magic of this day.

THEY ARE VOTING IN IRAQ!

IRAQ

FREE ELECTIONS

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Iron Fist

Someone like him namejacked me at Sherri's website. Is there a way to find out where it came from as it was crude and obviously to Sherri not me?

Please let me know as I would like to find out how to get "in touch" with this person.

Mr Pol, Are they shipped unassembled or as a working unit?

Maybe you could have it shipped here and I'll send it to you in small innocuous looking pieces. :-)

#213 realwest

ROFLLLLL! HA!

I talked to Charles this mornin'....
you got clean up duty on the other thread-- appearantly you didn't eat ALL The confetti!

LOL!

How ya feelin'?

LOL!

jlfintx

I have no idea how to go about tracking down who it may have been-- but I do have a bit of an idea......

But I can't say anything for I may be wrong and there is no point in spreading any more bad feelings if I am wrong-- just ignore it--- no biggie..

THEIR issue---not ours

we cool!

ALWAYS!

{{{{{{{{{ jlfintx }}}}}}}}}}}}

Hey Eevil-

Did you see my question to IF?

Someone namejacked me at your website with a crude comment. Be warned that trolls are hitting your site.

You may need to make everyone else that posts at your place to be aware, because it will happen to them as well.

I think the comments about the person Fist and Frank outed may be the source of it.

#218 Geepers

Mr Pol, Are they shipped unassembled or as a working unit?

Unassembled.

Maybe you could have it shipped here and I'll send it to you in small innocuous looking pieces. :-)

...of course you'll have to assemble and try it to be sure it works, huh? :-) But I think in the US you need a Class III license to buy one.

Charles - Thanks for finding/linking to this. The first thing I thought of when I saw the fireball picture in the NYTimes was "What a coincidence that the photographer was there. Who's side is he on?" However, I didn't have enough info about the event, and the caption was vague. Now, after reading The Obsidian Order, and The Adventures of Chester, I have a much better idea about whether it could have happened innocently and what questions need to be asked.

Will they be asked? If these guys got away with the Fallujah photos, they'll probably get away with this stuff as well.

LOL! Hunter is brilliant...

I so love that guy!

okay back on the topic

The media is just a bunch of babies rolling around in their own urine.......

I love how the blogoshpere and FOX just eats their lunch! LOL!

so fun!

What a GREAT DAY TO BE ALIVE!

#219 eeevil conservative - I was pretty damn sure I ate all the confetti - turns out some of it was jelly beans!
I feel whipped. As I mentioned last night, I just couldn't sleep - a few PTSD induced dreams sorta made me not want to go back to sleep. So I only got about 3 hours sleep between last night and now. Yawn (excuse me!). And I'm starving - jelly beans taste great but are not exactly filling and I'm on my own form of diet - banana for breakfast and an (ugh, Healthy Choice or Lean Cuisine) for dinner.
And whadda ya mean you spoke to Charles and I, ME, MOI (excuse my Frence!) got clean up duty - you led us all into that.
LOL!
Honest Charles, it wasn't my fault.
BTW anyone seen or heard from Bluestar? If you do would you PLEASE ask him to e-mail me - I have no way to get in touch with him since I switched computers and mangled most of my old address book.
And look how full of energy you are - whadda ya, 12 or so? :>)

Mr Pol (#222),

...of course you'll have to assemble and try it to be sure it works, huh? :-)

You're on to me. :-)

But I think in the US you need a Class III license to buy one.

That can be done. Hell, you'd be smart to do it for that price, you'd save a bundle even against the cost of registration.

ON KABC radio in LA, Peter Jennings was pontificating on the dangers and so forth, and I thought, you lying POS. You are in teh Gree zone at the Sheraton....

This Lone Star News reporter is imbedded and talked on the radio. He said if the reporter isn't imbedded, they ould well be using Iraq stringers while they sit in the lobby of the Sheraton.

#226 Geepers

The 7.62 Russian version is supposed to be able to fire 1,200 rounds a minute. If money is a problem, I don't think it's a good idea to own it.

Anderson Cooper was reporting for CNN - He was riding around with military and just when he started to talk about how wonderful our troops are, Cnn cut him off....

Mr Pol (#228),

Point taken.

Shep on FOX just did a tour of Saddams underground bunker this thing is huge and most of it underwater because they didn't figure in that the bombs might loosen things up on the tigres river and flood the place. He showed a room where footsoldiers would live, inside was a chemical boot. why would a soldier need a chemical boot if there were no WMD?

Today's the day. Let's all cross out toes this all works out.

229 Bubble Girl

NOOOOOOOOO! {clutches chest and TRIES to look SHOCKED!)

i wonder if that tech guy will get in trouble or an GIANT APPLAUSE!

...our toes...

Off Topic -- Take a look at the beige button on the lower right...

I Partied with the Winners!

Press pin collectors call these "Phantom Pins" -- Before the days of Divionional Playoffs a baseball team would be in first place with 3 days to go, and the winner goes to the World Series. So the team has special pins created for the local sports reporters. Then they lose 3 games in a row and finish 2nd.... oops! So -- a pin for an event that never happened!

/evil chuckle

CNN cut him off eh? I'd like to have a warning sign posted on all their broadcasts that says: "Warning! Liberal agenda in progress."

63 Thom

The enemy? For exercising their 1st Amendment rights? For having a different POV?

I understand your position. In normal times it would be unthinkable to state such a view. Yet, we are not living in normal times.

I feel that we are in a war that poses the greatest threat to freedom. This can take various forms but the most salient being the murder of individuals such as Van Gogh, or even maybe the murder of the Copts in Jersey. In effect, attempting to shut down freedom of expression by murder or threats of murder. Yet the MSM does not see these murders as other then criminal activities. I'm afraid it is difficult to concede this as just another POV. Try criticising islam publicly and see if your 1st amendment rights really protect you. See if the MSM will highlight your case in the manner it deserves, in the event of you falling foul with a fatwa or worse.

The reporting from Iraq and other such MSM actvivities along with the meagre coverage and comments on the murder of Van Gogh, are part and parcel of the same attitude of the MSM. Whether it is treason or just mischief making, simply because they are opposed to Pres Bush, is neither here nor there.

In a war that is in the main ideological, where Freedom itself is under threat (actually it is under seige - Patriot Act and the current raft of laws being proposed in the UK), the MSM should stand four-square for freedom, rather then undermine it by simply using it to pursue an agenda that coincides with the enemies of freedom.

I would be reluctant to state that the MSM is the enemy within, if MSM had been pursueing the islamists vehemently and exposing the evil nature of the koran and the jihad, contradicting Pres Bush on the RoP etc., while at the same time doing what they are doing now. It is the onesided coverage that bothers me, particularly in a war that if we lose, the MSM would be the first to feel the edge of the islamic sword.

233 eeevil one, check your eee-mail.

236 Catracks

ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! I LOVE IT!

#187 eeevil conservate: "Freedom is an ache in the heart." Sounds like the title for a country western tune!

Holy John Cleese's underwear!

Did Proud just express hope?

The true test will be when Cooper comes home... if he falls in line with CNN ......

U.S. Embassy Attacked on Eve of Iraq Vote

One civilian Defense Department employee and one Navy sailor were killed in the rocket attack. Of the four injured Americans, two were military, one was a civilian and the fourth was as yet undetermined, a military official said. A State Department spokesman said none of their injuries were life-threatening.

The good news:

U.S. forces were able to trace the trajectory of the rocket, and eventually honed in on two cars driving away from the launch site, officials told FOX News.

An unmanned surveillance aircraft followed the cars to a house in southern Baghdad. U.S. military aircraft and tanks full of soldiers crowded the house, where seven passengers were apprehended. Five tested positive for rocket material; they were taken into custody at an undisclosed facility for questioning.

And hopefully had the shit kicked out of them.

Ed

Gotta go, my wife got us pedicures at a spa for Christmas.

You go'in Metro on us?
:)

CNN ABC NY SLimes and the rest of the POS MSM are spinning faster then a gyroscope on an out of orbit satellite...They're giving their best last ditch efforts to scare the Iraquis from voting

#217 jlfintx,

Check your email. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Geepers,

And hopefully had the shit kicked out of them.

One can only hope. Of course it would be better to question them and execute them quickly before the media finds out who they are and the liberals cry torture and the terrorists cry martyr.

They should quickly die nameless.

#243 Geepers

I think we need a "Buy small videocams for the troops in Iraq drive." Put them all over the place in public and monitor activity. Plenty of Western cities already film most of the people out in public one way or another.

I'm sick of excuses for the 'insurgency'. It's the whole region meddling, Islam, jihad, totalitarianism, theocracy, media propaganda, and Leftist moonbattery. Now let's shoot the bastards who plant roadside bombs. .

Ed...if you're here buddy, whats the lowdown on that icestorm for NYC I heard it changed course..

Iron Fist (#246),

BTW, Check your mail. (The regular mail that is.) Finally got around to sending you something. I know, I know. I forgot. Honest.

238 michagain

WOW!

I am a technical illiterate--- But I am going to find a way to get those up, if this is okay with you, of course!

THANK YOU THANK YOU!

I am so thrilled that you got to go there and get those pics!

oh, and thanks for your kind words.

I am touched!

#229 Bubble Girl

I've seen that before. They cut the guy (or gal) off in mid sentence and then pretend that they have some breaking story that isn't half as interesting. Remember they do have a delay that they can work with. If the reporter starts down the wrong path, they have the ability to switch things over seemlessly.

That explosion is not from a terrorist bomb! That is a smoke and fire bomb like the ones used in the Chevy Blazer NBC story. A real terrorist bomb would have totally destroyed that hunk of junk car. Have you guys seen pictures of a terrorist car bombing? There is nothing left but the whole in the ground. With this car, you would have to be pretty darm close just to get an ouwie.

I smell a sorely needed I N V E S T I G A T I O N !

I think Ed is getting his toes pretty ;-)

Just took my antibitoitc after a light lunch then my cough meds, will take nap soon. Going to be a long night. I am sure Charles will have several Iraq election threads going tonight at 11PM EST.

Watching Shepard Smith on FOX right now.

Catracts (#247),

I'm with you. Summary excursion. It appears these guys were pinpointed and tracked as it happened.

Ain't technology great?

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see you all later!

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Shouldn't we be talking about what Dick Cheney's attire? I mean this staged explosive thing is so old. Didn't NBC already do that?

eeevil conservative
It was cool, and do whatever you please with the photos. There are more, but like I wrote above in #144 I had to get out of there kinda quick so I couldn't wait around for some really cool shots. When I was reading a MSN report about the Detroit polling center a few minutes ago it said that Security was tight with ID's being checked at the entrance way. ummm.. NOT!.

Now I can attest that security detail was "Heavy" as in three-spins on the Toledo scale, but by no means tight.

My better half has told me repeatedly about the problem of journalists using stringers in Iraq. Then there is the problem of just making stuff up. He has had several interviews with big name journalists and with one notable exception they generally hang up unless they get verification and corroboration of their particular story or worldview. The story they want gets printed or aired regardless. Journalistic ethics do not exist. Bias does.

#255 ploome hineni

the bombs are always on the Baghdad airport road..day after day

I can;t figure out why there hasn;t been a cerfew , or night vision cameras monitoring the 'insurgent' areas

How about a combination traffic camera sniper rifle

Some guy in Texas was creating a web enabled hunting range for small game with a web (pay per shot) rifle.

michagain

anything you want to wirte up as a "journalist on the scene would be awesome!

especially including other reports that you find that are either "correct" or "incorrect"!

I WOULD BE THRILLED IF YO WANT TO DO THAT!

DID I SAY THRILLED?!

I mean VERY VERY THRILLED!

Beagle (#248),

I would have sworn I saw an article just yesterday about Baghdad getting surveillance cameras. (But I can't find it. Arg.)

These U.S. Army Long Range Advanced Surveillance Systems (LRAS3) are now deployed in Iraq.

28 Geepers--faster please---.

mich-again,

Let me add my kudos for the eyes on the ground report.

I'll believe you over Dan Rather any day.

# 123 Thom:

I'm starting to think I probably don't belong here. Although I will miss it very much.

I undestand. It's gotten to the point where I will not post on some threads, especially those engaged in the term called "flame wars" or "friendly fire." In my mind, they are neither. So you are not off base. I understand the frustration you are showing with your lethargy. I think Bigel is correct on this matter: Sometimes, you've got to leave this place for a week or so, just to get some balance back. The chat room evolution of this sight is also bothering me quite a bit: More filler, less meat.

Mr. Pol,

Too many times it's been stated here by many, many posters that islam and democracy cannot coexist. I agree with you that we need to try this democracy experiment in Iraq, if for no other reason than to say, in the future, we tried it and it didn't work with islam. Optimism is not in my list of emotions concerning the election in Iraq. On top of that, what's with the voting taking place in Australia and the US? That seems contrived, and doesn't sit well with me, either. But we shall see.

#259 mich-again

When I was reading a MSN report about the Detroit polling center a few minutes ago it said that Security was tight with ID's being checked at the entrance way. ummm.. NOT!.

Probably due to trouble in Australia.

[Link: timblair.net...]

fistfight after wahabis were taking photos of voters

michagain.
I would love to see those pictures. Charles is putting them up? There is a polling place over at El Toro. I'd love to see how things are shaping up. I want to see what the MSM refuses to acknowledge.

#263 Geepers

That is to a video camera what Hubble is to binoculars (FLIR, GPS, super magnification). That thing must be really useful for calling in airstrikes.

Video cameras often help solve street crimes in the United States. Not to compare roadside bombs to street crime. I guess the French would call it a heroic act of resistance.

I really like the idea of using snipers for solving the problems of roadside bombs, suicide bombers, and rocket attacks. Too much Iraq, not enough snipers. Cameras, however imperfect, are useful. But suicide bombers have to be destroyed or blocked. Nothing else really works.

RickZ (#266),

Islam and democracy aren't compatible.

Which is why we need to make sure democracy succeeds in the ME and elsewhere.

#250 Geepers,

Thanks. Shit happens :-)

OT

This is what makes us Aussies proud partners of the US in the "community of democracies" :

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#270 Geepers

Islam and democracy aren't compatible.

But Islam and totalitarian sure are.

# 270 Geepers:

Islam and democracy aren't compatible.

Now you've got me flummoxed. Are you saying that Iraq will somehow, miraculously even, become not islamic? Or that democracy, even a limited one as will most likely happen in Iraq due to shari'a and honor killings and all the other bullshit within islam, will somehow transform Iraq out of the Dar al-Islam? Or is this, in your opinion, the islamic reformation which everybody speaks so hopefully of?

I'm curious as to the meaning of your post.

totalitarianISM--PIMF!

The pics weren't really a big deal, because the whole thing wasn't that much to watch. The thing that really struck me was the overall joyful mood of the people I spoke with and the smiles all around. I'm sure whatever I saw will be on the networks too. I kind of think the non-story is the story. That and the bumbling security guards who really didn't seem to know what they were doing.

#270
Given the choice between Islam or Democracy, if they are mutually exclusive, which will Iraqi's choose? That is the gist. Nothing new here.

#268 catracks

El Toro photo essay at Hewitt's producer's site:
[Link: www.radioblogger.com...]

#277 SlothB77

Given the choice between Islam or Democracy, if they are mutually exclusive, which will Iraqi's choose?

So when does Mohammed Luther nail his Ninety-Five Theses on the door of the mosque?