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Prager: The Left is Worthless

Tue, Feb 1, 2005 at 7:51:14 am PST

Dennis Prager precisely describes the moral vacuity of the far left: The left is worth nothing.

There were intellectually and morally honest arguments against going to war in Iraq. But once the war began, a moral person could not oppose it. No moral person could hope for, let alone act on behalf of, a victory for the Arab/Islamic fascists. Just ask yourself but two questions: If America wins, will there be an increase or decrease in goodness in Iraq and in the world? And then ask what would happen if the Al Qaeda/Zarqawi/Baathists win.

It brings me no pleasure to describe opponents of the Iraqi war as “worth nothing.” I know otherwise fine, decent people who oppose the war. So I sincerely apologize for the insult.

But to the Left in general, as opposed to individually good people who side with the Left, I have no apologies. It is the Left — in America, in Europe and around the world — that should do all the apologizing: to the men, women and children of Iraq and elsewhere for not coming to their support against those who would crush them.

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1 noshariaincanada  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 5:52:19am

A very good point indeed, and I think the loony left is driving moderate liberals more to the right.

2 Orbit Rain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 5:53:47am

Yes, the lack of morality from the left (and the MSM) is driving people to the right.

3 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 5:54:52am
4 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 5:55:56am

Worth nothing? I don't know, maybe we could trade them for some magic beans...

5 Americain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 5:56:20am

There will be no apologies from the Left, only more attacks.

6 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 5:57:08am
7 W-lover  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 5:57:14am

The Left cares nothing for the Iraqis or Americans. All they care about is power. They are hypocrites of the highest order, and their party is in its death-throws. Grab a tub of popcorn, sit back, and watch.

8 lidsville  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 5:58:04am

The left has hit bottom and is now asking for a shovel. Simply put they are 'Pathetic'. It's a wonder they got 48% of the vote in '04.

9 D. Edgren (the Merciless Infidel)  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 5:58:21am

That just about nails it. Is there a person on the LLLeft who has demonstrated fair consideration of his or her ideas and worldview out to their logical endpoints and justified same?

I don't think so.

I don't think the unjustifiable can be justified.


D. Edgren

10 shan  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 5:59:06am

I read somewhere (can't remember where, sorry) that the US is hated not because of our president but because of our Constitution and freedoms. Even if we did appease those who hate us, they would still hate us. They hate the fact that we are allowed to protest our government, they loathe Hollywood because of what messages are allowed to be sent from there and they hate the fact that women are allowed to do anything in public. So they actually hate the liberals who are protesting this war.
Anyway, this is just my two cents!

11 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 5:59:21am

American history, from the Know Nothings to the Worth Nothings...

12 Joel  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 5:59:21am

Not only is the Left worthless, it is meanspirited, hateful, and treacherous.

13 strictnein  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:00:25am

A fine example of why I wish Prager got more media attention and listenership. Rush may be interesting and exciting, but Prager is by far more intelligent and thought provoking.

Skip Rush - listen to Prager. (heck, it's free online, unlike Rush)

14 Capt. Queeg  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:01:51am

The Left simply doesn't believe that there is such a thing as good and evil. Therefore, their heads short-circuit when confronted with decisions based on it.

15 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:02:10am

The fact is that the left is polluted by the marxist ideology: this causes them to think that they DO know a kind of "superior Good" that the non-marxist "don't see".

This superior Good of course does not exist except than in their (not so brilliantly thinking) minds but for them is MORE real than...reality.

Like all the fanatics of all times, leftists are lead by their ideology and disregard the "mere facts" as pure ignorance.
They don't ask "what happens ?" they ask "what is the meaning of what is happening when seen from a marxist point of view?".

This has driven them to all the horrors of the last one hundred years and will lead them to further mistakes.

We need to debunk (I mean, continue to debunk) the whole marxist ideology if we don't want a left made of mentally fascist ideologues.

16 Adamski  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:02:21am

Mark Steyn has a great piece today too:

Steyn's latest at the Australian...

17 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:03:20am

PIMF

are LED

18 Fast Eddie  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:03:43am

Excellent points. I think that lately it isn't so much a matter of "left vs right", as it is a matter of "sane vs insane".

Only the "insane" would wish for victory by the dictators and 7th Century fascist Muslims.

19 Grim Reaper  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:04:34am

A loud AMEN to Dennis!

20 SpiritOf1683  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:05:06am

The Return of the Ents
A new essay by Wolfgang Bruno:

The always eminent writer and historian Victor Davis Hanson compares modern Europe to the Middle Earth of J.R.R. Tolkien's epic "The Lord of the Rings", recently turned into one of the most successful movie trilogies in history by New Zealand director Peter Jackson. Like the inhabitants of Tolkien's imaginary world, Europeans are accustomed to living in peace and prosperity. But their sedate way of life is starting to come under threat, although not all of them have noticed it yet. The shadow of an ancient foe is rising in the East, an enemy that has not threatened us for so long that we had almost forgotten about it, and how dangerous it can be.
Memories of past battles have become dim, to the point where we treat them almost as Fairytales. The enemy was defeated last time, but not destroyed. It has been lying low since then, retreated into its heartland and waited for the next opportunity to strike. And now, it senses weakness.

The One Ring, the Ring of Power, which triggers a major war deciding the future of freedom in Middle Earth, is a great analogy for Islam. Many men have become enticed by the undeniable power of the Ring, hoping to use it for their own gain in the vain belief that they can control it. But the Ring of Power has a will of its own, and is inherently evil. It cannot be used for anything good. It will slowly corrupt the ones using it, replacing whatever was noble and positive with darkness, leaving nothing but an empty shell. Like the Nazgûl or Ring Wraiths, once great kings of men, now soulless tools at the hands of evil.

A long time ago, the area from Egypt via Syria to Iraq, Iran and Pakistan was the seat of the earliest civilizations known to man. Today, Islam has long since consumed these vibrant cultures, and replaced them with Islamic backwardness, terrorism and hate, with no other purpose in life than to be at the service of the Ummah. This is the fate of France, too, unless the French wake up and change their ways. The French elite are on an insane quest: The primary enemy for them is not Islam, but the Anglo-American rivals they have been fighting a loosing battle for supremacy against since the age of Napoleon, if not before. They think they can ride the tiger, and "use" Islam to regain some of their former glory. The equivalent of Saruman, the traitorous wizard, would have to be Jacques Chirac and the French political elite behind the Eurabia project. They are the enemy within, pretending to be on our side while having joined the forces of darkness a long time ago, and they may drag others with them when they fall.

More on [Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

21 Studsup  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:05:18am

At spme point don't even reasonable people on the left begin to wonder? I mean the DNC/MSM attempt to derail the Iraqi elections was transparent and unrelenting. In the end, the facts just defied the DNC/MSM hopes and predictions.

Doesn't anyone on the left even begin to ask "Is the NYT really telling me the truth?". "How could they and virtually every other print and broadcast media outlet along with the Democrat leadership be so comprehensively wrong about events?" "Why do I only hear and read of the daily body count of US soldiers killed without any corresponding information about US military achievements, infrastructure restoration and of the lack of violence in vast areas of Iraq?" "Why did the media portray the "insurgents" as the legitimate governing force in Iraq only to see nonviolent Iraqi citizens defying the insurgents, without force of arms, to come out and vote in percentages greater than in may democratic nations?".

This stuff is only common sense. But there seems to be none of it coming from the left, the MSM or the leadership of the Democrat Party.

22 Joel  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:05:20am

The British equivalent of todays Democrtic leftists is the Labour Party. Read this and barf.
Labour drops flying pig and 'Fagin' posters

Labour yesterday withdrew two election posters depicting Michael Howard as a "Fagin" figure and a flying pig after MPs and Jewish groups said they left the party open to charges of anti-Semitism.
23 Colorado mike  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:05:44am

And this is news just how? :)

24 Joel  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:06:01am
25 Geepers  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:06:32am

I guess now we know why Paul Volcker has been stalling and soft peddling the "Oil-for-Palaces" scandal:

U.N. Didn't Ask Volcker to Disclose Finances

Volcker has a longtime membership in the UNA-USA Business Council, a pro-United Nations organization partly funded by BNP Paribas, the bank that handled all Oil-for-Food transactions.

There are questions about Volcker’s position as an adviser to the Power Corporation of Canada, a company with close ties to BNP and also to Total, the French oil giant that did nearly $2 billion of Oil-for-Food business.

Hey, who care if Saddam murdered 300,000? So long as Paul gets his vacation home.

26 Dave the.....  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:07:28am
There were intellectually and morally honest arguments against going to war in Iraq. But once the war began, a moral person could not oppose it. No moral person could hope for, let alone act on behalf of, a victory for the Arab/Islamic fascists.

July 1941 Wisc govenor Phillip LaFollette attacks Roosevelt's buildup for war, calling him a war monger (more or less). After the war starts, he enlists.

Similiar case with Lindbergh.

Todays opposition could learn something from them.


I have nothing but respect for Dennis Prager. He does not throw out accusations on a whim or to get attention.

27 Anna  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:07:56am

To paraphrase Team America: "All you leftists are wothless!"

The far left guiding light is Karl Marx and Lenin is his prophet. They are gnostic in they think the Marxist cosmology over-rides reality and why does it over-ride, because they have the higher truth and its their duty to impose this truth on everyone else who fails to grasp this truth.

Sounds like Islam don't it?

28 csva  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:08:32am

amen!

I listen to him sometimes on:

www.ksky.com
or
[Link: www.krla870.com...]

noon eastern time!

29 myoclonic jerk  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:09:04am

#25

That is some dirty shit.

30 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:09:32am

The point is that the Democrat Party is in real danger of being marginalized by the lunatics who want to control it. This is not a good thing at all. We need strong parties to keep the US from becoming a one party State. An all-republican government is no panacea. If the Republican party has to soak up all those 'moderates' that get spat out by the Dems it will end up splitting itself. Numerous pundits see this coming, with the oft-cited fault lines of huge spending and our seeming surrender to illegal immigration.
As a conservative who votes Republican, I can say that I admire Bush's vision in the terror war, but its' too bad his domestic program is so soft and squishy.

31 RBMN  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:09:47am

It's all the more powerful, coming from Prager. He's a man who goes out of his way (on his radio show, at least) NOT to offend anyone. When Prager takes abuse from callers, he almost always says, "thank you for your call...I'm sorry you feel that way..."

32 Bob G.  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:10:35am

If you try to be open minded, you can learn much from the left. For what is a bad man but a good man's teacher?

33 justdanny  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:10:46am

I've begun calling leftists Leftarchists. Because if their swirly headed hallucinated ideals ever gained majority influence, we would have anarchy. A total loss of all that is worth fighting for.
And any sort of apology when it happened, would be a day late and a dollar short. They want utopia but aim for Somalia, yet it seems none of them recognize this.

34 Al di Grandpa  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:11:46am

Paraphrasing Churchill:

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of socialism is the requal sharing of misery".

Today's LLL has no goal other than to make everyone miserable. The word 'Liberty' is not part of their lexicon. No wonder GWB's speech drove them nuts...whoops - nuts they already were.

35 rosh  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:12:35am

Thank Gd you posted this morning Charles. It means you're still alive.

36 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:13:58am

...words are something...the left should not even be afforded wor...

37 Wild Justice  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:14:38am

strictnein  

You are 100% correct. Prager is the best thing on radio — by far. He's changed my life and countless others.

His book, "Think a Second Time" is brilliant. All lizardoids would love it.

38 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:14:43am

I think that it is dawning on a number of people that there is nothing left of the left in general, and the democrat party in particular, but opposition. They have no alternatives to point to, just something to oppose. This is why they are so furious at any good news. They believe that they should be in power, but can't make a cogent argument why. And, they are angry that 1. they aren't, and 2. "the chimp" (who keeps outfoxing them) is.

It's like the 60's without the utopia to dream about. Sore losers, with emphasis on losers.

39 Model4  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:14:55am

I wish the left were only worthless. The freedom, peace and prosperity we'd know would be the stuff of dreams. Never forget who has been fueling and trying to legitimize this jihadist movement for decades. That's why every cave-dweller's tape sounds like a litany of grievances plagerized from Berkeley or Farenheit 9/11.

I think the loony left is driving moderate liberals more to the right.

No, but that's testament to how powerful the left is, and how we cater to them subconsciously. They are the "center of the Universe." When they sprint to the left, many of us perceive those who've stood in place as having moved to the right.

40 Terp Mole  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:15:22am

Prager echoes Michael Kelly's observation in his September 26, 2001 piece;

In 1942, George Orwell wrote, in Partisan Review, this of Great Britain's pacifists:

"Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, `he that is not with me is against me.'"

England's pacifists howled, but Orwell's logic was implacable. The Nazis wished the British to not fight. If the British did not fight, the Nazis would conquer Britain. The British pacifists also wished the British to not fight. The British pacifists, therefore, were on the side of a Nazi victory over Britain. They were objectively pro-Fascist.

An essentially identical logic obtains now. Organized terrorist groups have attacked America. These groups wish the Americans to not fight. The American pacifists wish the Americans to not fight. If the Americans do not fight, the terrorists will attack America again. And now we know such attacks can kill many thousands of Americans. The American pacifists, therefore, are on the side of future mass murders of Americans. They are objectively pro-terrorist.


In Fwench *spit* squeak: plus ca change, plus c’est la meme...

41 Paul  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:16:10am

Who are the heroes of the Left? Iraqi terrorists (Michael Moore's "Minutemen"), Palestinian terrorists, Islamic fundamentalists, North Korean thugs, Cuban dictators and a phony populist from Venezuela.

It's ironic that the Left has been reduced to supporting people who are, by any definition, fascists. But the Left is irony proof and they'll support anyone or any group that hates America and seeks to destroy it.

42 9Iron  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:17:19am

Does the left not know that they are playing right into the hands of the Islamic fanatics that learned through Vietnam, Somalia, and others that if the heat gets too hot at home we'll pull out? Or is it that they do know and don't care because any victory for the US under a Republican administration is bad for them? Which is worse, utter incompetence by playing the exact hand the fanatics we're counting on, or outright treason by knowingly emboldining the enemy by their actions?

43 piglet  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:18:07am

don't know if everyone saw this, but great news fom the year 2014, the death of the nes media


[Link: oak.psych.gatech.edu...]

44 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:18:10am

At the time there was a lot of Clinton adoration centered on his "new Democrat" fiction. Clinton didn't rejuvenate the party, rather by forcing them to apologize for all of his outrageous behavior he indoctrinated a generation of one dimensional party hacks.

45 alegrias  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:18:49am

Pinch me but parts of PBS' documentary on Castro last night interviewed Cuban gulag survivors about the horrors of torture & jail in Castro's leftist paradise.

Castro was caught kissing Brezhnev & Gorby, even lighting Brezhnev's cigar at a state dinner in Moscow.

The mask is coming off, we have to help show who the left (and 48% of our citizenry who voted) idolizes to this day--

46 justdanny  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:19:13am

#21 Studsup

At some point don't even reasonable people on the left begin to wonder?

I believe the answer is no. I have a very close friend who knows othing about politics, nothing about anything outside her immediate life concerns of work and rest and family matters. But she can spew every lunatic leftarchist talking point without blinking.

It is an illness of avoidance of reality and inablility to accept and absorb facts. It is a convenient inspiring frothy faced banter that replaces any need to pay attention.

47 PaperBeatsRock  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:20:03am

#14 Capt. Queeg

That is absolutely right. They never want to step on anybody's toes...regardless of who those toes belong to. I think this is the result of the liberal multi-culti thought. And it results in their spinelessness.

Dennis Miller once said that we're almost to the point where people will start saying " Now I don't eat babies myself but I don't want to get in the way of someone who does." Or something to that effect.

PBR

48 The Serpent  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:20:05am

Dennis Prager is a truly good soul.

His daily radio show is excellent.

49 Rancher  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:20:12am

Just because Kerry goes to Iraq to bash the Commander and Chief, just because Kennedy say's that our troops are part of the problem in Iraq and should be prematurely withdrawn, just because KOS and DU openly support the terrorist murderers, that doesn't mean the left wants the US to fail. We support our troops. No, really!

/Hillary out.

50 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:20:12am

Pragers book "Why the Jews" is also good lizard reading.

51 3 wood  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:20:37am

Along the lines of #14 Capt. Queeg, I don't think many of the LLL's think there is good vs. evil cause that would mean there is also right vs. wrong and they cannot have that reality in their world concept. Just finished Mona Charen's "Useful Idiots" ( I know, where have I been? Better late than never.) and it clicked in for me finally. The left wants a world where anything goes, there are no moral absolutes or consequences to actions to get in their way, and they certainly do not want to be accountable to anybody. Having good vs. evil means that there are some absolutes and, ultimately standards of behavior that you should adhear to. That's why moral equivalency, intents, feelings, and "fairness" is so important to them, cause that is all so subjective. I love Mr. Prager's article, he gets it.

52 foreign devil  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:20:46am

Spot on, Dennis! And not only that but there's no middle Left anymore, only the extremist in Pelosi-speak "Hitler" meme-driven shrill elements. There's no such thing as a John Kennedy-style Democrat anymore. That's what Republicans are now. Republican's or right-wingers are what John Kennedy used to be.

53 Lily  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:21:18am

Hey #13 strictnein,

Thanks for the Prager link.

I love this place, you get such great information here.

54 RebTex  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:23:10am

Why else would the leftist feel the need to "pre-buttal" Bush's speach?
They truly beleive if they screed enough, they'll get people to think the same way.
In 2000 they resorted to the lowest form of campaigning & have dropped all manner of values since.
No longer is there honor among competitors in the political games.
Single-handedly, the left has destroyed the idea of fair play.
As was said by Bill Crystal,the one that looks like Colonel Klink of Hogan's Heros,
"The left is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory"
Truer words I've not heard!

55 Anna  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:23:12am

re: #26. A bit of a correction and expansion.

Charles Lindberg did not enlist in the US military after Pearl Harbour. However he did do tech visits to forward bases. One of those being with Richard Bong and Tommy McGuire. It was Lindberg who figured out how to fly a P-38 the long distances needed for the Pacific. Lindberg did fly combat missions as a civilian and there is rumour he did score one victory while doing so.

Charles Lindberg will always be a hero because he had the courage to try. He also had the courage to realize he erred with the America First party and by assisting the war effort helped shorten the war.

All a protester in a democratic republic does, is lengthen a war.

56 Dave the.....  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:25:09am
I have a very close friend who knows othing about politics, nothing about anything outside her immediate life concerns of work and rest and family matters. But she can spew every lunatic leftarchist talking point without blinking.


People like that are very common. They tend not to read newspapers (even liberal ones) but may listen to NPR or John Steward.

What's frustrating is debating them. Their knowledge is so lacking that when I bring up facts (say Saddam gassing the Kurds or draining the southern marshes) I get either blank stares or "that never happened".

They say "Bush is an idiot" but don't know that he earned two degrees from Ivy League schools.

57 Golem Akbar  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:29:50am

Dennis Prager is great. He's the heart of where we need to head in the 21st century, in my opinion. It's a bigger tent than what we used to call the left versus the right. The left is gonzo. Everyone else fits in the new tent. And Prager is the tent's moral compass.

58 foreign devil  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:30:02am

#6 song_and_dance_man:

Daniel Pipes writes about the Report by Freedom House:

"...Freedom House's Muslim volunteers went to fifteen prominent mosques from New York to San Diego and collected over two hundred books and other publications disseminated by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (some 90 percent in the Arabic language) in the mosque libraries, publication racks, and bookstores.

"What they found can only be described as horrifying. These writings - each and every one of them sponsored by the kingdom - espouse an anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, misogynist, jihadist, and supremacist outlook. For example, they:

"-- Reject Christianity as a valid faith: Any Muslim who believes "that churches are houses of God and that God is worshipped therein ... is an infidel."

"-- Insist that Islamic law be applied: On a range of issues, from women (who must be veiled) to apostates from Islam (who "should be killed"), the Saudi publications insist on full enforcement of the Shari'a in America.

"-- See non-Muslims as the enemy: "Be dissociated from the infidels, hate them for their religion, leave them, never rely on them for support, do not admire them, and always oppose them in every way according to Islamic law."

"-- See the United States as hostile territory: "It is forbidden for a Muslim to become a citizen of a country governed by infidels because this is a means of acquiescing to their infidelity and accepting all their erroneous ways."

"-- Prepare for war against the United States: "To be true Muslims, we must prepare and be ready for jihad in Allah's way. It is the duty of the citizen and the government."

"The report's authors correctly find that the publications under review "pose a grave threat to non-Muslims and to the Muslim community itself." The materials instill a doctrine of religious hatred inimical to American culture and serve to produce new recruits to the enemy forces in the war on terrorism..."

The word "horrifying" was used in the Report to describe the results they found of their search into what's being preached in the Mosques of America.

59 justdanny  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:31:47am

#56 Dave the...

These leftarchists we discuss, are more guilty of wanting a convenient copout than of being workhorses for the sickening fogmachine of the left.

I know her too well and for too long to hate her or argue with her. So when I get any one of a trillion opening BDS lines, or winks at current news, which in her swirly head makes her "point", i just act stupid and dont acknowledge her.

The activist leftarchists are the true enemy of all I value in America. They cannot have the future of my nephews and nieces. I will not allow it.

60 Dave the.....  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:31:54am
Charles Lindberg did not enlist in the US military after Pearl Harbour. However he did do tech visits to forward bases. One of those being with Richard Bong


OT, but Bong is from my hometown. They recently built a WWII heritage musuem there, centered around him. On a wall are memorial plaques to those who fought in the war. There are often 3, 4, or even 5 sons from a single family that served.

61 Hank  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:32:44am

I just can't understand the left at all anymore. Now they are demanding the Prez tell them the "Exit Stratigy". They are doing everything they can to bring about another Viet Nam mess of shit. Me thinks they are still on their LSD trips.

62 9Iron  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:33:10am

Liberal columnist asks "What if Bush has been right about Iraq all along?"


snip:
But after watching Sunday's election in Iraq and seeing the first clear sign that freedom really may mean something to the Iraqi people, you have to be asking yourself: What if it turns out Bush was right, and we were wrong?

It's hard to swallow, isn't it?

end snip

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

63 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:33:36am
64 BingoBunny  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:36:52am

I won't claim America won the Vietnam war only to see the hard won peace destroyed by a hateful left wing congress who denied our Vietnamese allies the protection we promised them.. but thats very close to what happened.

the left is calling Iraq GW Bushs vietnam..so I guess they plan to bailout on freedom there as fast as they can get back in power.. and help install a terrorist anti-american Iraq. Then they will sit back and spew their "the war was illegal" "who made us the worlds policeman" "no wars for oil" crap. and spend more money on turning America's kids into mindless dope smoking moonbats so they won't lose power.

Which reminds me a new study from medicine reveals that those under 25 have less developed brains..especially in the functions that avoid risky behavior. would it be wrong to suggest that we change the voting laws to keep these brain unformed youth from voting.///

65 justdanny  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:36:56am

#58 foreign devil

Is it not amazing that everything on that list is everything we here at LGF have known and learned all along?

Ooops, sorry, I forgot, we're the bad guys. Nevermind.

66 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:36:59am
67 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:38:07am
It took a Polish rescuer of Jews in the Holocaust, cited this week 60 years after the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration and death camp, to best describe those people who cannot or refuse to know the difference between good and evil. They are "worth nothing."

This statement from a Polish rescuer of Jews is a rare visit to sanity and truth.

Moral relativism and those who worship it are worth absolutely nothing.

68 The Serpent  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:38:24am

As a HUGE Prager fan I simply cannot resist …

"Someone who does not know the difference between good and evil is worth nothing." -- Miecyslaw Kasprzyk, Polish rescuer of Jews during the Holocaust, New York Times, Jan. 30, 2005

Dennis Prager: those people who cannot or refuse to know the difference between good and evil. They are "worth nothing."

Dennis Prager: Since the 1960s, with few exceptions, on the greatest questions of good and evil, the Left has either been neutral toward or actively supported evil.

Dennis Prager: The Left "does not know the difference between good and evil." And that is why it is worth nothing.

Dennis Prager: As readers are aware, this year I am writing a series of columns making the case for Judeo-Christian values. The secular university provides one of the most cogent arguments for those values: This institution, which is the most opposed to Judeo-Christian values, is also the least committed to truth.

69 blueroom127  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:38:46am

#14 Capt. Queeg pointed out that the left don't believe in good and evil. they really can't see a distinction except of course when talking about the right or republicans or Judeao Christian religion.

It is that cowardly cop out that allows them to not condemn terror or islamofascism. This is what drives all sane members of the left to actually move more to the right.

The biggest problems lies in the Democrats new disrepute. Just as America needs a viable partner in Iraq, with whom they can build Iraq, America and the Republicans need a viable partner here with whom they can build and strengthen America. Unfortunately, the Democrats and the Left have excused themselves from reason and sanity and no such partner exists.

70 Dave the.....  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:39:00am

Good point on the overall movement to the left. As the mainstream Democrats move farther and farther to the left, the Republicans move from the moderate right to the center. I don't see a hard core overall conservative force in politics. Maybe on taxes, but they don't have the limits on government growth to go with it.

71 alegrias  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:39:45am

#52 Foreign devil ...JFK would be republican today
# 54 Reb Tex ...left snatching defeat from victory

I had to stop watching the PBS Castro documentary at the point where JFK betrayed the Bay of Pigs attack on Castro, causing the slaughter of our allies & condemning us to 50 years of Castro as leftist idol, along with Che Guevara's mug on t-shirts.

JFK may have been conservative compared to democrats today but he seems more of a paper tiger in retrospect. And how odd he was assasinated by an islamist jihadist from Palestine.

We ought to remind the left an islamist ended Camelot.

72 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:39:57am

#51 3 wood

I don't think many of the LLL's think there is good vs. evil cause that would mean there is also right vs. wrong and they cannot have that reality in their world concept.

I keep hearing that, but then when you bring up "homophobia" and "hate crimes", they are the most absolutist judgemental bunch anywhere. I believe they are disingenuous when thay make that claim. Or, at least, incoherent.

73 The Serpent  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:40:30am

#67) Rightasrain,

You are a contrary little fellow aren't you?

For the last few weeks you have been consistently incessant about denying the objective existence of Good and Evil.

What game are you trying to play on this forum exactly?

Who do you think you are fooling?

74 TalkinKamel  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:41:17am

Prager's one of the best. He's a great speaker in person, by the way---I saw him once.

OT---did anybody, besides Pookleblinky, make it down to the UC Bus 19 rally yesterday? Also, were any lizards able to see Bus 19 in LA?

75 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:41:48am

#52 Foreign devil ...JFK would be republican today

Little known trivia: Margret (nazi) Sanger threatened to leave the country if JFK was elected. True to form, she didn't.

76 Old Dad  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:44:04am

Prager is on the money. The reactions by Kerry et al demonstrate a truly selfish and miserly spirit.

Regardless of political stripe, how could you not celebrate, even for a day, this great victory for the Iraqi people?

I can only conclude that they must hate themselves to harbor such great hatred for the Iraqis and the President.

77 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:44:22am

#71 alegrias

We ought to remind the left an islamist ended Camelot.

Not only that - we should remind the left that a BALESTINIAN ended Camelot.

Sirhan Sirhan was called a "Jordanian" at the time of RFK's murder because "The Palestinian People" hadn't been invented yet.

Sirhan Sirhan would be called a "Palestinian" today. He killed RFK (Camelot) as one of the Arab murders done in the efforts to try to push the Jews into the sea.

The left should put this in their bongs and smoke it.

78 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:46:07am

Correction to my #77:

Sirhan Sirhan would be called a "Palestinian" today. He killed RFK (Camelot) as one of the Arab/ISLAMIST murders done in the efforts to try to push the Jews into the sea.

79 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:47:15am

I come from a family of moonbats and I can say that not all LLL are worthless. For example, my hippie sister from Eugene, Oregon works with autistic children. She is absolutely selfless, doing work that very few people would have the patience to do...and she does it with kindness and compassion. She is truly a gift to these children.

Of course if you try to talk politics or foreign policy with her, she is completely insane.

80 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:49:25am

If Sirhan Sirhan is ever released from prison (heaven forbid), he would become his own god in the Arab world (a Balestinian god.)

How would the left feel to see Balestinians dancing in the streets because THEIR HERO who murdered RFK is free?

The left has NO IDEA what they're doing and who we're fighting.

81 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:49:33am

Just one of a bizillion anecdotes along these lines (moral vacuity of the left): during a conversation over the holidays in NYC, a self-described "progressive" airily commented that "we should just pull out of Iraq now, civil war there is inevitable and they might as well get started." Wow. So when did "let the wogs slaughter each other" become a "progressive" idea?

82 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:50:43am

OT Mark Steyn Brings It Again

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

No one on the left can write like this guy

83 blueroom127  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:50:43am

#79 Ringo

Prager makes mention of that.

But to the Left in general, as opposed to individually good people who side with the Left

the point is that the movement that is the Left is worth nothing.

84 Dave the.....  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:53:05am

#79. Yes, I agree. There are many who are compassionate. I know one who has a big heart. She used to volunteer at a humaine society. Somewhere along the way she jumped from that to the Sierra Club and has never been the same.

I think if you surround yourself with LLL's and don't get much exposure to the other side, that immersion tips you over.

85 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 6:57:36am

#82

Mark Steyn does it again, indeed:

Given the fact that the voters of Baghdad and Basra and Kirkuk showed the cojones the Spaniards failed to last March, you'd think those protesters would have been less careless about reminding us that the terrorists got a much better election result out of the Spanish electorate than they did from the Iraqis.

He's my favorite Canadian!

86 big L  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:01:51am

#25 Geepers--Good post. Isn't the president of Total's daughter married to someone high-up in Canada's govt.
Seems like I read that and that it was significant.

87 Miggie  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:02:09am

Dennis Prager was the one person alone who converted me from a Democrat to a Republican! I began listening to his radio show daily and his arguments made so much sense that I could no longer hold the views I once had. At the time, I was as incensed as all Democrats were about the 2000 election and I was still mad at the Republicans for the impeachment campaign against Clintion.

I felt (and still do) that the Republicans, like Kenneth Starr did not care about tearing the country apart so much as they cared about destroying Clinton. That is what bothers me so much today about the Left. Kerry, Kennedy, Dean, and the rest of their spokesmen, with the outstanding exception of Joe Lieberman, actually wish for our failures. They hope we lose. They hope the American casualty rate goes up so they can prove our policies are wrong. They publicize homicide bombings to show the futility of it all. They always criticise and NEVER make a recommendation.

They, with the main stream media, always search for the bad side, the possible negative twist, that they can put on events regardless of the harm to the country, solely to make the Republicans look bad. The problem being that making us look bad turns into reactions here that changes our policies and turns victories into defeats. They are truly Anti-America... Hate America Firsters. They, John Kerry especially, know full well that turning public opinion and weakening our resolve at home exactly as they did in the Viet Nam era brings personal political gain.

Now, after 9/11 I thank God every day that George Bush is President. I shudder to think of the situation we would be in if either Gore or Kerry were leading the nation now. Prager shines a bright light on this.

88 Dave the.....  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:05:39am

Prager, like Michael Medved, is a former Democrat also.

89 Felipe  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:07:44am

Amen.

90 3 wood  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:09:15am

#72 Earth2moonbat

First, good point. Let me put it this way. In my experience (moonbat parents and one sister), they get uptight when you have the cheek to suggest that maybe a given lifestyle or habit is not the best way to go, cause again that gets down to right vs. wrong and they can't have personal accountability in their world. They do not want to answer to a higher power than themselves. I think this is why the left hated President Reagan so much, and went ballistic when he called the Soviet Union an evil empire. He had the leadership and back bone to to take a stand for good vs. evil and it drove them up a wall. Now it's the same thing with President Bush. Many of these (not all) LLL's adopt the "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic, they see the U.S. as evil especially when a Republican is in the White House, and so they have to demean anything good we do.

Second, anybody heard from RoughRider and how his family is doing? My prayers are with you.

91 Chuck Pelto  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:09:19am

TO: Charles Johnson
RE: Interesting Juxtaposition...

...between Praeger's on-target column and Soros' comments in the post next door.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

92 Model4  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:11:57am

Gotta add that I too think saying the Left "doesn't know the difference between good and evil" is an oversimplification. They're delighted to tell you what's good and what's evil, but their values system is often inverted from our country's and countrymens' values.

In their minds, they are simply taking on what they see as the biggest evils in the world: Capitalistm, Christianity, Judaism, Jews. Within that framework, it becomes easy for them to prop up fellow travelers, useful idiots and "lesser" evils from Castro to bin Laden. From that point, they play up the "good" of these villians until some of them even begin to believe it.

93 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:12:44am

blueroom127, Dave the...,

I think that many people on the left simply think with their hearts rather than with their heads. Which is why many of these people are fine with the "micro" issues (family, frienships etc.) but are just plain nutty when it comes to the large issues of life (politics, foreign policy, war etc.).

Hey, I think I learned that from Dennis Prager.

94 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:20:49am

#90 3 wood

I think this is why the left hated President Reagan so much, and went ballistic when he called the Soviet Union an evil empire. He had the leadership and back bone to to take a stand for good vs. evil and it drove them up a wall.

OK, maybe a better example: If there is no good or evil, how do they describe Sharon? (Answer: evil). (Oops!)

cause again that gets down to right vs. wrong and they can't have personal accountability in their world. They do not want to answer to a higher power than themselves.

You nailed that one on the head! The most pernicious consequence of that is when you have no mooring to moral absolutes, you are subject to the next most powerful force, which is social pressure (i.e. groupthink). That makes the socially (read economically) powerful politically powerful.

95 ahem  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:22:31am

One of the most thoughtful journalists on the Left is Marc Cooper of the LA Times. He's a friend of Christopher Hitchens. Cooper had a couple of good posts recently on the Anti-Intellectualism of the Left. It pretty much confirms that Leftism as currently practiced in the States is a pose more than an ideology. Personally, I think it's now little more than adolescent rebellion.

96 jas  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:25:23am

I'm listening to Prager right now. He is (as am I) still basking in the glow of Sunday. Up until a few months ago, I was only vaguely familiar with his work. Fortunately, WNTP in Philly started up, and the lineup of Bill Bennett, Laura Ingraham, Prager, Michael Medved and Hugh Hewitt is a powerful one. Prager and Medved both transcend the caricature of the right wing talk show host (i.e. - Sean Hannity). And, unlike the likes of O'Reilly, the conversation is not about massive ego justification.

97 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:27:37am
98 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:29:18am

#87 Miggie

Kerry, Kennedy, Dean, and the rest of their spokesmen, with the outstanding exception of Joe Lieberman, actually wish for our failures. They hope we lose. They hope the American casualty rate goes up so they can prove our policies are wrong. They publicize homicide bombings to show the futility of it all. They always criticise and NEVER make a recommendation.

They do WANT us to lose this war. They believe that if we can never win a war ever again, we won't bother to fight one (which would mean world peace would reign instead.)

They're so dead set on believing that George Bush and the Republicans are the biggest evil in the world (since they're beating Democrats) that they can't see anything else.

Iraqis are being killed by the people who want to replace Saddam (ie, people who want to be the new billionaires who get to kill Iraqis at will, threaten the world, and poop into marble toilets.)

The left REFUSES to see that we're fighting to protect Iraqis. They can only allow themselves to see this fight as being the Iraqis against us.

Eight million people just proved the left wrong, but the left won't even listen to them. Spain PROTESTED the Iraqi election, for goodness sake.

Politically, the left has become completely worthless. They do far, far more harm than good.

99 blueroom127  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:31:43am

#93 Ringo

Thats true. they believe that we can all just get along and that no war equals peace (only works in theory). But where that falls through is in situations like Sudan or Iraq or the Jews in WWII where war was/is the only option for those with heart and a sense of liberty and justice. opposing the war in Iraq is similar to opposing a cop shooting someone who pulls a gun to shoot at people. they think very selectively with their heart although I guess if they ever used their head they'd realise this. It is just unfortunate that the Left has been hijacked by fanatics because most lefties will support the left agenda even if it is moderately sensible. If the left had a strong and decent leader who pursued policies similar to Bush in terms of right and wrong but differing on certain issues, the whole world would be a better place.

100 pookleblinky  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:32:15am

#33 Justdanny

They want utopia but aim for Somalia

Beautiful line!

101 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:36:43am
102 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:37:25am
103 Stringart  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:38:04am

#86 big L

From Newsmax, The Oil-for-Food Scandal – the Canadian Connection.


For those in a hurry, the executive summary from the Shotgun, All of this is just a big, fat coincidence.:

-UN hires Europe's BNP Paribas bank to administer the Iraqi Oil for Food program.
-BNP Paribas bank reportedly earned close to US$1 billion for its work .
-Congressional investigation turns up suspicious behaviour by BNP Paribas related to Oil for Food, including missing documents and improper transfers.
-BNP Paribas bank is controlled by Montreal's Power Corp.
-Power owns controlling stake in Belgian-French oil giant TotalFinaElf, one of the main oil firms working in Saddam's Iraq during the embargo.
-Power is owned by the Desmarais family, and run by Andre Desmarais, son-in-law of Jean Chretien
-Paul Martin is a former Power Corp. executive who purchased Canada Steamships from Power and is protege of Power's former boss Maurice Strong.
-Maurice Strong is a confidant of UN Secretary General Kofi Annan
-Kofi Annan's son, Kojo, received millions from a Swiss firm, Cotecna, which was hired to monitor the Oil for Food shipments into Iraq.
-All of this is just a big, fat coincidence.


Jean Chretien was Prime Minister and Paul Martin his finance minister at the time. Martin is now PM.

104 pookleblinky  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:43:35am

#102

Ploome, here's an excerpt from my college's student newspaper, just for you:

If eight years of George W. Bush's extreme right-wing leadership wasn't enough to bring Democrats out to the polls, a Hillary Clinton candidacy would be. (Joe Fuchs)

It is inspiring to see how thoroughly this young man desires a Republican to be president in 2008!

105 riverofpearls  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:44:22am

ahem 2/1/2005 09:22AM PST

Posted by: richard | January 16, 2005 07:35 PM

I think a fair number are just having fun. It was that way in the Vietnam anti-war demonstrations and it looks that way at the demos I have attended more recently.

[Link: marccooper.typepad.com...]

I agree. They are just having fun. They like dressing up in wierd clothes and causing an event. They like to get attention from the media etc. It's like a party. Kind of like old time revivals in rural areas long ago. It's also about emotionalism and competition. Yes competition about who can say the most outrageous wear the most outrageous. They feed off of each other. They think they are like the Civil Rights marchers. They are MLK posers.

106 madawaskan  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:47:38am

Slightly O/T-

Any loss of influence in Africa is galling for France, not least because it believes its influence in French-speaking countries can strengthen its hand at the United Nations


[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]


HaHahAhAhahahaha!

Chirac-Loooser!

107 pookleblinky  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:47:44am

#105 Riverofpearls

I once had a professor who would attack people for using ghetto English. A student once called him racist for not letting her say, "he be." My professor responded:

I supported the civil rights movement before it was cool. Now speak English or shut the hell up.

BTW, Charles, the quote-button still inverts the paragraph tags.

108 Right Wing Nut Job  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:49:21am

#101 ploome hineni
My grandmother used to say that if you tell me what you read, I will tell you what you believe. I think that may be a bit over reaching, but the relationship between Manson and Churchill is astonishing.

109 godfrey  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:53:10am

The Democrats will elect Dean chairman of the DNC. The Democrats will be driven further into spittled insanity and become a rump of old, pissed-off boomers.

The Republicans will contain the multitudes, and they will split internally more clearly into Libertarian and Conservative factions. Republican presidents will keep this tension within the Republican party, and will continue to win well into the foreseeable future.

As for the worriers here: with the Democrats running full-tilt toward irrelevance and obscurity, the two-party system will still be alive. The two parties will just exist within the "Republican" label until we all say "Hey, maybe we need new labels."

$0.02 USD, for what it's worth. :-)

110 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:55:12am
111 pookleblinky  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:56:02am

#108

"If you live with those who are lame, you yourself will learn to limp."

112 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:56:35am
113 Pierre Duhem  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:57:23am

#21

Studsup,


Here are some lefties who aren't asshats on Iraq:

[Link: www.marxist.org.uk...]

Their weblog:

[Link: marxist-org-uk.blogspot.com...]


Another one:

[Link: normblog.typepad.com...]

114 jas  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:58:12am

In regards to Prager's calling out of the liberals as opposed to the left, a prime example was Thomas Freidman of the NY Times. I find Freidman informative from time to time, although I do not agree with him, especially his voracious criticsim of the Bush handling of the war. Freidman WAS in favor of going onto Iraq. I caught him on both Imus and later on Hardball. He was ecstatic over the results from Sunday. He is someone, who, while I don't agree with many of his arguments, he has some legitmacy to them.

115 Right Wing Nut Job  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 7:58:56am

#112 ploomie hineni
No, I didn't. Which bit?

116 catracks  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:00:09am

A couple of years ago, i would have characterized myself as "middle of the road," or moderate. The more the LLL shows its colors, the further to the right I go although still keeping common sense intact.

The majority of liberal are as Queeg disscibes them I think:

The Left simply doesn't believe that there is such a thing as good and evil. Therefore, their heads short-circuit when confronted with decisions based on it.

Whenever I hear talk of moral or cultural relativism, I immeadiatly know that I am talking to a moonbat.

Some are just very angry and have either a victim or an entitlement mentalitality.

The third group are those who are truly evil like Kennedy, Kerry, Wesley Clark, Hiilary Clinton et al. They are as W-lover characterizes them:

The Left cares nothing for the Iraqis or Americans. All they care about is power.

These are the people that will purposely undermine the government so the people they claim to want to help get poorer and more miserable

or

try to make us loose the war and fail to the death of our troops and well meaning people of an oppressed country.

All this so they can look they they were right all along and perhaps reclaim their power.

I love Dennis. He is such an incredibly good and Godly man. He speak not only to politics, but to living a good, happy and productive life. If you haven't listened to his show; go and do so. He empowers you and make you care. He also brightens a day because of his zest for what is good about the world.

I think he's on KRLA now.

117 pookleblinky  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:01:11am

Godfrey

I think it will be more complicated than that.

The Constitution is a libertarian document, and the first goal of all libertarians should be to secure first the property rights it grants. For this reason, a consistent libertarian must be first a constitutionalist.

The Republican party will split off into three main factions:

1. The constitutionalists. Libertarians who wish to return the government to the limits proscribed within the Constitution.

2. The No-Compromise Libertarians. These will consist mainly of "legalize drugs!" libertarians and anarchists who think they are libertarians. This will be the moonbat fringe of the Republican party.

3. 'Old-school Republicans." Republicans like George W. Bush who accept the basic premises of statism of New Deal statism, yet wish to limit such governmental expropriation-and-transfer to a minimum.

118 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:02:05am

#114 jas

In regards to Prager's calling out of the liberals as opposed to the left, a prime example was Thomas Freidman of the NY Times. I find Freidman informative from time to time, although I do not agree with him, especially his voracious criticsim of the Bush handling of the war. Freidman WAS in favor of going onto Iraq. I caught him on both Imus and later on Hardball. He was ecstatic over the results from Sunday. He is someone, who, while I don't agree with many of his arguments, he has some legitmacy to them.

This must explain why many on the left hate Freidman even though he's brutal when it comes to the things he says about Israel.

He's a guy who wants America to get Israel and the Balestinians into a room and "knock heads together" as if everything would be ok for Israel if she just weren't so stubborn (and same with the Balestinians.) He has no idea what this war is about.

I'm not a fan of Freidman except when he does things like get ecstatic over Iraqis voting. When it comes to the Arab-Israeli conflict, I don't like him at all.

119 pookleblinky  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:06:02am

PIMF!

...property rights it grants government the powers to protect.

Agh...

120 The Serpent  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:07:22am

More Pragerisms …

Dennis Prager: There is an epic battle taking place in the world over what value system humanity will embrace. There are essentially three competitors: European secularism, American Judeo-Christianity and Islam. I have described this battle in previous columns.

Dennis Prager: Vast numbers of people are profoundly disoriented as to what is good and what is bad.

Dennis Prager: We do in large measure because values based on God and the Bible have been replaced by secular values. The result was predicted by the British thinker G.K. Chesterton at the turn of the 20th century: "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing -- they believe in anything."

Dennis Prager: Secular successors to Christianity have slaughtered and enslaved more people than all religions in history.

Dennis Prager: The belief that those who commit evil are punished after death is hardly restricted to Christianity. One of the Thirteen Principles of the Jewish Faith as laid down by the codifier of Jewish law, Maimonides (1135-1204), is that God rewards the good and punishes the bad.

Dennis Prager: One, therefore, need not be a conservative Christian to believe in some form of hell for the evil. All one need be is a rational believer in a just God. For if there is a just God, it is inconceivable that those who do evil and those who do good have identical fates.

Dennis Prager: To understand the worldwide ideological battle -- especially the one between America and Western Europe and within America itself -- one must understand the vast differences between leftist and rightist worldviews and between secular and religious (specifically Judeo-Christian) values.

Dennis Prager: The Left, which is largely secular, regards morality not as absolute, but as relative. This inevitably leads to moral confusion, and no one likes to be morally confused.

Dennis Prager: In fact, the Left is intoxicated with law-making. It gives them the power to mold society just as Judeo-Christian values did in the past. Unless one understands that leftist ideals function as a religion, one cannot understand the Left.

Dennis Prager: This is one reason it has become more and more apparent that the most closed-minded people in American and European society today are not the religious but the secular, not the Right but the Left.

121 Right Wing Nut Job  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:07:41am

#109 Godfrey
I see the Republicans filling in the left. Their right wing, which is pretty thin right now, will be replaced with a coalition of Libertarians and Constitutionists.

122 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:07:46am

AMEN, brother.

Right after September 11th (the 12th, actually), I was sitting on the front steps of our building with a neighbor, a nice young American black man named Omar (W. Indian parents, Columbia U. education, etc.). We'd seen the skyscrapers collapse, smelled the burning, seen the endless stream of refugees pouring north through our street in Little Italy, NYC. And were seeing, on CBS only as the other stations were knocked out, the cries of grief and despair of the tens of thousands of bereaved.

I said something bitter about the evil fuckers who did this atrocity, and he Looked at me in the Naivest Way, and asked, "Wow, man, so you really believe in Evil?"

I could have strangled him on the spot, I was so furious. Those who refuse to recognize it, SIDE WITH IT.

I've noticed, though, that they have no trouble saying all Republicans are evil.

123 steveg  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:08:05am

Good concise essay!

124 sandspur  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:10:03am

OT
Hamilton College has cancelled Ward Churchill's appearance due to "death threats" against Churchill and the college.
Churchill called the victims of 9/11 "little Eichmans".
Colorado congressman Beauprez last night on Scarborough Country said the our institutions of higher learning are becomg "collegiate madrassas" (excellent turn of phrase).

125 Right Wing Nut Job  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:10:41am

#117 pookleblinky
Much better way to say it than I did. Hear here.

126 Julmudgeon  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:14:09am

Having your cake. . . (quote from Frontpagemag

For a moment, billowing clouds of ink-stained fingers and impromptu conga lines replaced images of strewn bodies and car bomb victims in Iraq’s intersections. Yet almost immediately, members of the punditocracy, the Democratic Party, and the far-Left began undermining the credibility of this national celebration of freedom.

Ignorance is (Leftist) Bliss

Most have done so by labeling the Iraqi people too ignorant to credibly participate. Writing in the New York Times yesterday, Bob Herbert declared, “A real democracy requires an informed electorate.” Iraq does not qualify. The Nation, too, played the ignorance angle in an editorial yesterday, emphasizing in its first paragraph that many candidates were afraid to meet with voters. Moreover, the parties refused to release candidates’ names; hence, the election was not “credible.”

The Nation’s own website gave the lie to the first claim. In a story posted to that editorial’s immediate right, blogger Ari Berman insisted Iraq’s political parties clearly communicated that they stood against American “occupation”; hence, the large turnout represented overflowing anti-American sentiment.

127 BringMeTuri  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:14:20am

Prager's "Happiness Hour" totally rocks my Friday...

128 hornet  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:16:05am

But...but...but where are the wepunss uv masss deastrukshun? In Syria, and Syria is next to have freedom introduced to its' population. LLLs cannot get past WOMD. With OBL and Kerry, and Clarke on your side, you are becoming worse than irrelevant, you are becoming dangerous to Western civilization. With Islam and MSM as your best friends, you are enabling terrorists to plan the destruction of America and Israel. Shame on you.

129 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:17:01am
130 big L  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:21:40am

another one from Prager (maybe via Viktor Frankl)
"Those who are kind to the cruel will be cruel to the kind."
(para)

131 catracks  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:24:16am

#117 pookleblinky

I am between 1 and 3. Justice Scalia says that he does not look to European examples for rulings and decisions, but looks to the only thing he should use (i.e. the Constitution). His idiot collegue disagreed saying that we should look to Europe for examples on how to determine validities of laws and decisions. That scare the bejebus out of me.

I think we need to go back to the basics and stop trying to apply the continstition when it doesn't apply and start applying it where it does. When we have supreme court justices that can't even understand our system of checks and balances, we are in trouble.

I am also in favor in giving people a leg up when needed, but think that the entitlement mentality and nanny state has gotten out of hand.

I do find that the moonbats are becoming more irrelevant daily. Very interesting.

132 BringMeTuri  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:25:00am

i hate 2nd hand smoke, but I agree that it is not evil.
Prager is really anti- Anti-Smoking.

133 Pickle  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:25:23am

Compare the moral vacuousness and reactionary cynicism of the left to the courage, determination, and belief in liberty that leads to reports like this one out of Iraq:

I live in the Assadr area of Baghdad. While I was at my polling station, it came under attack by the Zarqawi group. Four people were killed and eight injured, including me. I cried and still cry not because of the pain in my body but because I missed my chance to vote as we had to be taken to hospital. I missed something I waited so long for.

That comment came from this BBC News comments thread; normally a wasteland, but with some very interesting and inspiring comments from Iraqis.

134 Peter Gunn  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:28:09am

Europe is worthless too! But at least the worm turns.

Interesting commentary by Mathias Dapfner

"Appeasement? Europe, thy name is Cowardice"

A selection:

"What else has to happen before the European public and its political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western societies, and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.

It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is actually spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will always be taken by the Islamists for signs of weakness.

Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush.


[Link: www.isralert.com...]

135 Catracks  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:31:38am

I am sure Dennis wants to uphold the right of someone to pollute themselves with a good cigar now and again. He, like Tim Blair (another fav of mine) is an enemy to the nanny state.

136 Renna  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:32:36am

#126 J

impromptu conga lines

Really? That is fabulous.

137 jas  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:34:05am

#118 rightasrain

I used to be the type (pre-9/11) that thought the same way about the so-called Israeli-Paleo conflict. But, the last four years have been very eye-opening. I prefer the LGF name - "Jordyptians" - for the Pali's. As for Freidman, like I said , I don't necessarily agree with him, but he was one of the few people to present a legitimate argument to oppose the war (even though he himself was in favor of it) - those being the presence of Iran attempting to fill the void upon the collapse of the Ba'athist regime, and the potential for Balkanization among the tribes and ethnicities. I started reading his "The Lexus And The Olive Tree", but there was too much praise for George Soros.

138 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:34:17am
139 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:35:11am
140 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:35:55am

#73 The Serpent

For the last few weeks you have been consistently incessant about denying the objective existence of Good and Evil.

I'm not responsible for your paranoid delusions.

Orthodox Jews are acutely aware of the difference between good and evil (and insist strongly that no one should become confused between the two.)

What game are you trying to play on this forum exactly?

It's interesting that you mention playing games here because I did a google search on you and TLOP last night, out of curiosity.

You say the same things everywhere (as a proper blog-virus would do, I guess.)

I saw the same stuff everywhere about running red lights and adding 2 + 2 together, etc, etc, etc, ad puke.

Why do you only have one thought and why do you spread it all over the internet while using the same words?

You're mentally ill.

Who do you think you are fooling?

Do you think no one here knows how to google to find out what a weirdo you happen to be?

GAZE...

141 N.A. PALM  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:37:01am

Liberals don't give a rat's ass about America, democracy or you or me.

All they care about is running America, and if they can't, they'll try to destroy it. Comprende?

142 pookleblinky  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:39:25am

OT OT OT!

I just googled my illustrious name, and high on the list is this:

Meanderings of a Post-Modern Present-Day Wit
... NF posted at 11:29 PM. December 15, 2004. Elsewhere Damn, is LGF running fast. Used
to be 10 times slower. Quoth pookleblinky, "LGF is high on PHP!" ...
post-modern-meanderings.blogspot.com/ - 26k - Cached - Similar pages


"Quoth pookleblinky!"

I feel all warm and fuzzy inside!

143 Mr Pol  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:39:42am

#140 rightasrain

Why do you only have one thought

You call that a thought?

144 riverofpearls  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:39:48am

107

I have been reading the democratic websites. I see people come in and try to make reasonable comments but they get banned. These sites are filled with this madness. So it is best to just let them go. They are driving people away. I have no idea what is going to be the end of the democrat party. This worries me because I believe we need two political parties. But alas the democratic party is dying. It is really sad.

145 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:41:58am
146 catracks  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:42:47am

Here is what one liberal coworker of mine said to me:

"My neighbor told me that I better put my flag up outside or the other neighbors would think I'm a democrat. I don't own a flag."

Says it all don't you think?

We have a Marine Corp and Old Glory up.

147 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:42:51am

#143 Mr Pol

You call that a thought?

LOL!

148 templar  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:46:40am

Some of my co-workers have been trying to get me to go see The Motorcycle Diaries. My concern over this movie began when I saw it as a trailer before Farenheit 9/11 (long story, but I didn't pay for the tickets). I refused, saying that I had no need to see anything on Che Gueverra, who is as much mass murderer as Bundy or Saddam. They thought I was over reacting, and that Ernesto had good intentions, wanted to help the people, blah blah blah. We all know what the road to hell is paved with. I'm afraid I ruined thier picture of Che as the galant revolutionary by telling them of the firing squads he presided over and how he introduced the gulag system to Cuba with his good buddy Fidel. Reality came be a b$tch at times can't it. For more info on the liberal mind (or lack thereof) I'd like to direct you to Thomas Sowell's book The Vision of the Annointed. Its a quick, enjoyable read.

149 Renna  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:46:57am

#144 riverofpearls

We do need two but I've been saying I would love the DNC to collapse and the Liberatarians to rise.

I think it would be so nice to debate the legalization of pot or prostitution instead of where we are now, debating the survival of civilization.

150 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:53:25am

Rightasrain

"If Sirhan Sirhan is ever released from prison (heaven forbid), he would become his own god in the Arab world (a Balestinian god.)

How would the left feel to see Balestinians dancing in the streets because THEIR HERO who murdered RFK is free?

The left has NO IDEA what they're doing and who we're fighting. "


Actually you make a pretty good case for parolling the bastard.

151 allanthered  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:54:48am

Slightly off topic but MARK BROWN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST may have written his last column for the Chicago Sun-Time thinks bush may have be eight in Iragi [Link: www.suntimes.com...]

Off with his head :-)

152 catracks  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:56:12am

Oh my dear Gawd! I Googled me and got my posts from Blackfive and a myriad of other sites. How totally scary! There is a site or two I didn't recognize. Guess my name isn't totally original ;-)

But still! Google IS amazing! Wonder if I said anything embarring. No, that is NOT a challenge :-P

153 Peter Gunn  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 8:58:14am

#144 riverofpearls

American political parties have come and gone before. If a major party were to collapse or split others would fill the void.

154 Rufus Lee King  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:00:45am

I wouldn't go so far as to say the Left is worth nothing.

Where would the coin-operated laundramat business be without them?

155 catracks  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:04:13am

and who would get my coffee?

No actually raised by my depression era grandparents, I abhor drinking $3 a cup coffee and make it myself.

Okay. ... but who will get my fries?

156 surfer dude  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:13:06am

Nice article, but, hello? Of course the left is worthless!

I live in Ward "I-am-too-an-Indian" Chuchill's home town and he's a hero to many of them. Now that's what I call worthless!

157 jake  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:13:26am

#107 pookleblinky

BTW, Charles, the quote-button still inverts the paragraph tags.

If you don't do the paragraph tags that way then your quote shows up with a little box drawn around it and takes up extra space. I have no idea why that is but you can verify it with the preview button. Or just compare your posts with all the other ones by people who didn't manually remove the <p> tags. :-)

158 madawaskan  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:27:26am

Canadian Connection.

Is this story some how related?

In December, as talks dragged on, Williams ordered Canadian flags removed from provincial government buildings, a move that sparked outrage from critics


Some how the federal government skimmed $2 billion from the provincal oil revenues?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]


Yesterday the Calgary delegates were raising hell about the Martin's China trip comments.

159 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:30:25am

#85 rightasrain

He's my favorite Canadian!

Sniff, sob, snivle... I thought I was :(

Ha ha...just kidding. I looove Steyn.

#130 big L

I actually think that quote is either from the Talmud, or Pirkei Avot (Ethics of the Fathers)...I'm going to look it up.

160 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:36:44am

#159 WriterMom

You're my favorite, too, WriterMom! :)

161 riverofpearls  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:37:57am

149 Renna 2/1/2005 10:46AM PST

We do need two but I've been saying I would love the DNC to collapse and the Liberatarians to rise.

Not me I want Andrew Jackson to rise from the grave. The libs need to meet the MAN.

162 QueenEsther  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:38:51am

As a proud, long-time Prager-head, I plan to remove or replace the title of this column and send it to all my LLL friends. Sadly, I don't think any of my misguided "blue" pals will make it past the title any other way.

Love ya Dennis!

163 oh_dude  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:39:12am

A leftist doctor...

DR: Mr. Smith, our tests have concluded that you have a tumor on your brain. It looks like an agressive type of magligant tumor, that would require agressive treatment including surgery.

MR SMITH: Doctor, when can you operate?

DR: Oh, I'm not going to operate, but if some other Doctor does choose to take action and operate, I'll be sure to be there in the OR to continuously remind him/her what a mistake they are making and that they have exhibited very poor planning with no apparent exit strategy.

164 salt1907  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:39:26am

The left is not merely worthless, it has come to exist solely for the sake of its own power. The MSM especially exists for the sake of political gains instead of any legitimate journalistic, educational or entertainment goals. The MSM's goals have become so intertwined with the DNC, the MSM/DNC must be referred to as a singular noun.

165 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:40:01am

Midrash Kohelet Rabba, “those who are merciful to the cruel, will ultimately be cruel to the merciful.”

166 tomet  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:40:52am

#144 riverofpearls

"I have no idea what is going to be the end of the democrat party. This worries me because I believe we need two political parties."


I seemed to remember reading that George Washington was against a two-party system because it would tend to tear the country apart. So I googled this:


"Hamilton and Jefferson's differences gave rise to the first American political parties. Hamilton's followers formed the "Federalist Party." Jefferson's followers were the "Democratic-Republicans." George Washington didn't like the idea of parties at all. He called them "factions" and warned against them "

167 tomet  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:42:29am

Hi WriterMom

read you email

168 tomet  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:43:37am

PIMF

read your email

169 vickie  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:47:01am

OT: But NOT that far off. CNN has just had on Prof. Paul Butler of GW University. Butler is famous for proposing that African Americans on Juries that try African Americans on Drug Charges employ Jury Nullification. HE has just been on CNN commenting on Michael Jackson trial and slipping in the notion that unless there are at least 4 African Americans on the Jury that Jackson wont get a fair trial. He states a "study" saying that unless there are about four African Americans on a Jury when an African American is on trial..then the person doesn't get a fair trial. FIRST SHOT across the bow.

Next..MOVE the TRIAL.

This whole trial isnt a "celebrity" interest thing. Its who can do WHAT in this Society and suffer the consequences OR get away scott free. This includes Celebrity...Ethnicity..MONEY...etc. Do these things thwart our Justice System. They DO and we have to do something about this.

Two letters...OJ.

170 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:47:52am

#151 allenthered

Slightly off topic but MARK BROWN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST may have written his last column for the Chicago Sun-Time thinks bush may have be eight in Iragi [Link: www.suntimes...]

AWESOME!

Thanks for posting this! I love it!

For now, though, I think we have to cut the president some slack about a timetable for his exit strategy.
If it turns out Bush was right all along, this is going to require some serious penance.
Maybe I'd have to vote Republican in 2008.

Try it, baby!

You have no idea how good it feels to vote Republican! :)

171 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:52:05am

My "Try it, baby!" was directed at Mark Brown, of course.

I would LOVE to see more liberal journalists have breakthroughs! :)

172 The Serpent  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:54:51am

Rar: I'm not responsible for your paranoid delusions.

You aren’t responsible for anything though – are you?

Is Prager also “paranoid’ and “deluded”?

Rar: Orthodox Jews are acutely aware of the difference between good and evil (and insist strongly that no one should become confused between the two.)

So are you conceding that Good and Evil have Objective existence now?

Does that means it’s time for you to start pretending that you believe in “Heaven” and “Hell” also?

Rar: You say the same things everywhere …

Yes, I realize that consistency is not something you are in favor of.

Rar: I saw the same stuff everywhere …

Right … what’s your point?

I see Charles Johnson (or Dennis Prager) harping on the same basic premise day after day, is that a problem for you as well?

Of course you seem to be quite adept at pretending to believe all sorts of contradictory nonsense from one day to the next. I guess logical consistency isn’t really your strong suit?

Rar: Why do you only have one thought and why do you spread it all over the internet while using the same words?

Well you are the “Genius”, you mean you haven’t figured it out?

I see Charles Johnson (or Dennis Prager) harping on the same basic premise day after day, is that a problem for you as well?

Rar: You're mentally ill.

Yeah, me and Prager both!

Why are you such an angry individual Rightasrain?

Why are you so fixated on me and my view that Good and Evil have Objective existence in reality? Don’t you have anything better to do with your existence?

Why do my opinions threaten you to such a degree?

Rar: Do you think no one here knows how to google to find out what a weirdo you happen to be?

Ohhh, you are just obsessed with me -- aren’t you?

(and I’m the one with “the problem”?)

173 pookleblinky  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:57:11am

*sniff*

*spew*

174 be the meat  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:57:50am

I don't think the Left is against liberty and freedom so much as they don't believe it really exists.

Their morality is a slave morality.

To believe in and support the propagation of liberty and freedom world wide (in deeds not just words) would require them to repudiated their core unconscious beliefs.

If one is enslaved by an ideology which denies that human beings deserve freedom, real freedom, not "freedom" from an imaginary bogeyman. Then one is befuddled and enraged by attempts to help others up from the muck.

The fact that the USA can do this and, simultaneously be looking after our national intereset is too much for them.

Like a life-long prisoner who can't cope with reality (freedom) after being released and commits suicide, the left has not the tools with which to survive mentally. They cling to eachother, and their regressive creed, preying on the minds least able to put their programs into historical perspective - the young.

[ An enfeebled Ted Kennedy strapped down to a institutional bed, a nurse gently wiping the drool from the corner of his mouth.}

175 Rufus Lee King  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:57:58am

And then there is the vital Left function of playing buffoon to highlight the Center and Right being sober and productive.

Ohio High Court's Only Demo Too High Behind Wheel

176 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:58:56am

#172 The Serpent

Here you go again with your one thought. You try to infect every topic you enter with your one thought (the only thing you're capable of discussing.)

GO AWAY, Snake.

You've spread your one thought all over the internet. SURELY you can find another Snake out there somewhere who is willing to waste their life along with yours.

BE GONE!

177 pookleblinky  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 9:59:45am

Where's Swampwoman when you need a good Rattler recipe?

"Taste's like chicken, I hear."

178 Thom  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:00:09am

One wonders where Good and Evil are enjoying their "Objective existence in reality".

179 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:02:25am

Annan Selects Clinton for Tsunami Effort

Clinton is a Jimmy Carter in the making.

180 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:03:55am

#179 zulubaby

Clinton is a Jimmy Carter in the making.

Clinton is starting to LOOK as old as Jimmy Carter, too. :)

What has happened to Clinton (aside from heart surgery)?

He looks like he's dying or something. His hair is pure white, too.

181 RickZ  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:04:52am

# 176 rightasrain:

C'mon, now, rightasrain, give it up. That poster reminds me of the Ian Hunter album title, You're Never Alone With a Schizophrenic. Talking to it is worse than trying to figure out which of 'The Three Faces Of Gordon' one is talking to.

182 mad_scientist  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:05:17am

Serpent

Got to agree with rightasrain here. While this site, and various posters here, have certain THEMES they follow, you seem to have ONLY ONE THEME.

No matter what the subject matter, no matter what the situation, you seem to bend the topic into your thoughts on religion, good, evil, etc...

183 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:06:06am

The photos of Hillary yesterday after she fainted make her look as old as Bill AND Carter, too.

The Clintons have burned themselves out, or at least one hopes. :)

184 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:06:31am
185 Renna  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:06:43am

#174 be the meat

real freedom, not "freedom" from an imaginary bogeyman.

Reminds me of the four freedoms from FDR. Freedom of religion and speech are freedoms, but freedom from want and fear? Zoo animals are "free" from want and fear, whereas the animals in the wild may go hungry or be eaten. But only the wild ones are free IMHO. From the nanny state point of view, the zoo animals are the ones "really" free as they are free from want and fear. It is the opposite of the "give me liberty or give me death" mentality. But many people would rather be kept.

186 Jakester  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:07:47am

Sort of reminds me of the Vietnam war where people kept harping on South VN's human rights abuses, saying it was a puppet government, talking about all the anti-war protests and our meddling but never once demanding that the Communists respect human rights, quit meddling in other people's civil wars. These people never saw the irony that nobody on the Communist side was ever marching around demanding their Communist governments stop making war in the South adn bring their troops home!

187 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:08:03am

#181 RickZ

C'mon, now, rightasrain, give it up. That poster reminds me of the Ian Hunter album title, You're Never Alone With a Schizophrenic. Talking to it is worse than trying to figure out which of 'The Three Faces Of Gordon' one is talking to.

Gordon only has three faces? :)

You're right, of course.

Thanks!

188 riverofpearls  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:08:18am

166 tomet 2/1/2005 11:40AM PST

With all respect to President Washington I believe in the 2 party system. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Having said that I feel I need to add this. I always believed both parties were basically the same on most important issues. Like:
Love of the United States of America.
Loyalty to the ideals in the US Constitution
Strong defense against enemies both foreign and domestic (see they knew there would be domestic enemies)
Love for american soldiers in times of war.
The belief that traitors to this country should be put to death.

I am originally from Louisiana. Louisiana always requires a year of Louisiana history before any student is able to receive a high school diploma. The Louisiana Purchase is covered in this class. Andrew Jackson's army in 1814 was the first US army comprised of every economic level, every race, every religious faith from many states. I always believe the United State really became a united nation in New Orleans with Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson was elected president by common men. Prior to him the eastern part of this nation had abandoned ordinary people. I am a Jacksonian democrat. The democrats have abandoned the principles of Andrew jackson. We need 2 parties, in my opinion.

189 mad_scientist  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:09:16am

#185 Renna

Excellent example

190 RickZ  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:10:54am

# 185 Renna:

zoo, noun. A safe spot from which animals can view man.

191 TalkinKamel  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:12:33am

#159 WriterMom

You're my favorite Canadian too!

:>)

#181 Rick Z

"The Three Faces of Gordon", LOL! I love it! (Gordon? Is that yooouuu?. . . )

#182 Mad_Scientist

See Rick Z's post #181; I think it's time to do a group GAZE on The Serpent.

192 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:14:52am

#190 RickZ

#185 Renna - zoo, noun. A safe spot from which animals can view man.

The Honolulu Zoo has a little grassy area near the primates where there's a small jungle gym where kids can stop for a moment to play.

It's in quite a small open area with the sidewalk winding around it.

On this little grassy spot, there's a zoo sign that says "Homo sapiens" with an explanation of our species in the same style as all the other species are named and explained around the zoo. :)

It's a cute touch.

193 Gabba Gabba Hey  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:15:36am

I prefer to call 'em the LoD (Legion of Doom).

194 tomet  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:17:41am

#188 riverofpearls

I see your point. OTOH the present democratic party, IMHO, tends to prove Washington prophetic.

195 Cybrludite  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:21:46am

Don't know if this has been mentioned before, but Al-Reuters is declaring the elections worthless because perhaps 1/2 of 1% might not have been able to vote. Hell, that's still orders of magnitude better than the Milwaukee area this last election...

196 AtlasShrugged  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:23:17am

OT and while i hate to give FAT BASTARD (not to mention smelly any additional PR, this was too good to pass up. Sort of like the class dunce pissing on the valedictorian's term paper, eh?
Michael Moore Calls Condi Confirmation "Disgusting"

A recent Web chat that famed fantasizer Michael Moore had with the U.K.'s Channel 4 was quite revealing.

When Moore was asked why most Democrats voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of State, Moore replied that the vote "was a disgusting sight and indicative of who the Democrats are - they are lazy and they're cowards and I'm just hoping that the more they continue to act like that the more it will encourage Americans to run against them and put the U.S. back in the hands of the working class, where it belongs."

Moore's response to an inquiry about whether he thought Jeb Bush would run for the presidency in 2008 brought more Dem derision. "The Democrats are going to have a very hard time winning the next election," Moore moaned. "The Republicans have a number of star players and the Democrats have a lot of wimps and losers."

Moore's concerns about the future policies of the Bush administration over the next four years were that "they [the Bush administration] are going to try and shift as much wealth from the middle class to the upper class as they can in these next four years - turning the middle class into the working poor. Secondly they are going to attempt various acts of aggression against other countries around the world but they will not all take the form of a ground invasion like they did in Iraq - they have seen the folly in that so they will try other means to commit acts of violence and overthrow Governments."

Moore evidently didn't expect to be asked about why he isn't donating 100% of the money from his movies to the cause he advocates: helping our troops in Iraq.

His answer was vintage Moore. "I haven't seen a dime from this movie!" he declared, adding his own inquiry, "My question then to you is what are you doing to try and stop this war? I will promise you that I will donate as much of my time as I can in the coming months to see that the anti-Bush movement transforms itself into a massive anti-war movement so we can bring these troops home."

The Left Coast Report says once again we see that when Moore's tossed a question about his "working class" wealth, he snaps into a game of verbal dodge ball.
READ POST 83,85,91...then spit on your screens

197 riverofpearls  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:23:58am

The reason the left doesn't "get it" on Iraq.

They do not protest for any thing that really has meaning to them. They protest everything but nothing is important really. They like to believe they are in the tradition of Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights marchers. When those marchers marched in Selma Alabama they put their lives, their children's lives on the line for their beliefs. They were really scared and with good reason. The Selma marches were for FREEDOM. The left does not understand the people of Iraq and the danger and the willingness to stand against tyranny. In fact they think the people of Iraq were foolish to risk their lives to be able to vote. But men and women who marched in Selma understand. I'm betting the African Americn community know the difference. So let the left rant and march and protest everything. I hope the TV cameras stay on them . In fact if I had the money I would put the commentators at DNC and Democratic underground on cable TV. 24 HOURS A DAY

198 Studsup  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:28:07am

Slightly OT -- It looks like Ted Kennedy is likely to lead the Democrat charge to deny the Alberto Gonzales appointment to AG.

Read it here: [Link: sfgate.com...]

Oh please Senator Ted, do whatever you want to us, but just don't throw us into that briar patch!

Ted, the traitor, Kennedy coming of a humiliating performance on the demand for the withdrawal of the US from Iraq is now going to stonewall Gonzales -- on the theory that Gonzales approval of torture has exposed our soldiers and citizens to greater risks. You can't make this stuff up.

I want this to happen, I really do. And every Democrat Senator that lashes themselves to the mast of old Senator Pequod can go right to the bottom along with him.

199 madawaskan  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:30:50am

Terp Mole-

I realize you are trying to explain why there were moonbats cheering for Churchill during the College Republican's interview about their petition.

I am interested because I am trying to think of legal ways to twist some of my fellow CU graduate's arms...

But also because I went to that school I cannot pass the IQ test that allows me to open the Ward thread.

200 Rufus Lee King  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:31:42am

179 zulubaby

Annan Selects Clinton for Tsunami Effort

I'm sure he'll charm the pants off 'em.

201 The Serpent  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:32:38am

#185)

Talk about having ONLY one Theme …

Renna: Zoo animals are "free" from want and fear, whereas the animals in the wild may go hungry or be eaten.

Yeah, just like how Children living with their parents are “free” from want and fear, whereas run-away children in “the wild” are far more likely to go hungry or be “eaten” (be victimized).

Renna: But only the wild ones are free IMHO.

So obviously (on average) run-away children are better off than those children living with their parents.

Renna: From the nanny state point of view, the zoo animals are the ones "really" free as they are free from want and fear. It is the opposite of the "give me liberty or give me death" mentality. But many people would rather be kept.

Some people want to deny that God exists because they cannot tolerate the notion that there are ultimate consequences for their actions.

And those who do not believe in ultimate consequences for their actions tend to behave exactly as if that is what they believe.

202 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:33:27am

#200 Rufus Lee King

I'm sure he'll charm the pants off 'em.

Someone should warn them to run when he pulls out the cigars, tho. :)

203 toddhisattva  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:33:58am

#60 Dave the...

OT, but Bong is from my hometown. They recently built a WWII heritage musuem there, centered around him.

"Harold and Kumar Go To Superior, Wisconsin."

'Oh, dude, the guy has a great name!'

204 cleve  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:34:24am

It is the Left — in America, in Europe and around the world — that should do all the apologizing: to the men, women and children of Iraq and elsewhere for not coming to their support against those who would crush them.

Amen, and amen.

205 madawaskan  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:35:55am

Atlas Shrugged-

Oh @$@%#@! He does it on UK radio! $@%@%

How much do you want to bet that the Dem Confirmation inspired the Chavez "Congratulations" to Condi Comment?

206 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:36:22am

Ok, sounds like we need a GROUP GAZE aimed at The Serpent in #201.

Let's go...

GAZE

207 madawaskan  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:41:02am

Oops!

Even Moore of a loser-

UK Channel 4 television website WEAK!

208 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:41:23am

rightasrain (#180)

What has happened to Clinton (aside from heart surgery)?

He looks like he's dying or something. His hair is pure white, too.

One word -- Hillary.

209 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:43:42am

Rufus Lee King (#200)

They should start running now.

Anyone else hear about how Clinton apparently wants to be Secretary of State should his dear wife become president? And why? So he can finish off what he started in the Middle East. Keep him away.

210 RickZ  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:44:31am

# 206 rightasrain:

It's nothing more than a shoddy philosophy student on bad mescaline.

GAZE

211 madawaskan  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:44:32am

rightasrain-

Sometimes if you ask them Canadian trivia questions they vaporize.

Molson's or Labatt's

Coffee Crisp or Smarties

212 Renna  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:45:00am

#206 rightasrain

I'm waaay ahead of you on that GAZE. Even this response to you seems more than it deserves. :-) It makes me laugh though.

213 Thom  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:46:50am

I still want to know where Good and Evil are.

214 Mr Pol  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:48:35am

#213 Thom

I still want to know where Good and Evil are.

In the box with Schroedinger's cat. Don't look, or you'll kill the kittie!

215 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:50:30am

#209 zulubaby

Anyone else hear about how Clinton apparently wants to be Secretary of State should his dear wife become president? And why? So he can finish off what he started in the Middle East. Keep him away.

When he thought Kerry might win [I still twitch at this thought - ugh!], Clinton wanted to be the head of the UN.

It doesn't surprise me that he might be considering Secretary of State if his wife won.

Let's keep them both away.

They are Ugh and Double-Ugh (but I can't tell which is which.)

216 AtlasShrugged  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:50:52am

205 madaswakan (whatevuh)

How much do you want to bet that the Dem Confirmation inspired the Chavez "Congratulations" to Condi Comment?

One sharp sideway glance from her and his little dick would fall off
PUTZIOTARIAN!

217 cf martin  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:51:04am

The Serpent makes me pine for nodroG!

218 madawaskan  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:51:18am

Thom-

One wonders where Good and Evil are enjoying their "Objective existence in reality".

Canada-

Evil=No Hockey Good=Coffee Crisp


/just joking

219 yochanan  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:54:41am

the beer in qubec city is much better molson and labat are just bud in fancy bottles
and now that they are own by the evil coors

220 RickZ  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:55:30am

# 208 zulubaby:

One word -- Hillary.

I always thought that she'd divorce Billy after he left office, if nothing more than to show that she is an independent woman. Since she hasn't, one can only suspect that her revenge for not divrcing Billy must be a lower level of hell, not that Hillary without revenge is not pure hell.

221 madawaskan  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:56:38am

Atlas Shrugged-(est tu aussi dyslexia-aussi moi)

Venezeula=putziototalarianship.

Last night the state departmnent website is still holding it forth as a shining example of democracy.

222 madawaskan  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 10:59:09am

yochanan-

Okay

Alpine or Schooner's

223 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 11:00:32am

#220 RickZ

I always thought that she'd divorce Billy after he left office, if nothing more than to show that she is an independent woman. Since she hasn't, one can only suspect that her revenge for not divrcing Billy must be a lower level of hell, not that Hillary without revenge is not pure hell.

I would imagine that Hillary is holding onto Bill for politics/image.

She probably told him that she'd Bobbitt him or something if he messed her up again, though.

Bill looks like a guy in fear of losing it, that's for sure. :)

224 madawaskan  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 11:03:09am

Yochanan-

Ah ha! You are talking Brador.

You are RIGHT .

225 RickZ  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 11:07:33am

# 223 rightasrain:

Bill looks like a guy in fear of losing it, that's for sure. :)

I'm sure she's blocked certain cable channels, like Playboy, the pay-per-views, Foxnews. I would also imagine that she only let's Billy use the computer in her presence, then checks the cookies. Life must be hell for a sexaholic 'on the wagon'.

226 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 11:11:24am

Hello The Serpent...you are really boring me to tears.

I must remember to make an archive of some of your posts and when I have insomnia, read some of them over again so I can fall into a deeep sleeep. Do you have anything REAL to say? Your constant regurgitations of Philosophy 101 are so tedious. Honestly, get a life.

#167 tomet

Thanks. I got your e-mail :)

#173 pookleblinky

LOL! And ditto.

#191 TalkinKamel

Thanks! I didn't have to fish too too hard for the honours...

227 riverofpearls  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 11:13:45am

213 Thom 2/1/2005 12:46PM PST
I still want to know where Good and Evil are.

In a man's heart.

228 riverofpearls  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 11:18:07am

227 riverofpearls 2/1/2005 01:13PM PST
213 Thom 2/1/2005 12:46PM PST
I still want to know where Good and Evil are.

In a man's heart.

Men get to choose between right and evil. It's called FREEDOM given by the Lord God to everyman.

229 tomet  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 11:58:39am
230 tomet  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 12:04:19pm

#226 WriterMom

What you said about serpent...just what I was thinkin'

231 yochanan  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 12:17:55pm

sleeman & boreale

232 transferthem  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 12:18:44pm

I'm afraid that the left has always been worthless. When it espoused socialist economics it was proved worthless when the Soviet Bloc fell as a result of just such economics. And now it gets its rocks off by opposing anyone who is strong - corporations, the west, America, Israel, G-d. Worse still, it actively supports anyone it deems weak - islamofascism, arabs calling themselves palestinians, third world dictators, terrorists.

It supports those it deems weak even if they are not weak (I imagine we all remember the pro sadam demos when
America finally decided to terminate his regime). It immediately finds some suitable excuse for any terrorist act, be it Israeli 'occupation', some imagined slight on islam, or just anti Americanism and/or antisemitism.

Ward CHurchill is the tip of a rotten iceberg. The left are trying to destroy democracy by illegitimising anyone who has an argument they don't like. And the left routinely resorts to violence (go to any western university campus and try to organise a pro Israel rally).

I am rapidly coming to believe that the left and the terrorists of islamofascism are one and the same enemy of freedom, democracy and free speech. Every time I look, the difference is less obvious. Right down to a refusal to accept election results as being the will of the people.

233 yochanan  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 12:19:39pm

chemey ale red label

234 cantrecant  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 1:02:45pm
will there be an increase or decrease in goodness in Iraq and in the world?

Every thinking sophisticate knows that good/evil is a pathetically outdated concept that has no place in the discussion, now get this debate back to oil and American Imperialism immediately!

235 rokbassist  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 1:02:52pm

I urge everyone to go see the film "Hotel Rwanda" - it chronicles very well the manner in which the Democratic administration of Bill Clinton and the UN completely ignored and abandoned the people of Rwanda while they were butchered by the hundreds of thousands. Anybody seeing that movie and being outraged or saddened by what happened there cannot be, in any good conscience, against what we've accomplished in Iraq in freeing the people there of the butchery and savagery of Saddam and his henchmen. To be against the freedom of the people of Iraq while supporting through ignorance or abeyance the genocide in Rwanda, is just plain evil. As pointed out in the article, the Left fits that mold, from Rwanda, to Iraq, to Stalin, Mao, etc.

236 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 1:48:01pm

rightasrain (#215)

They are Ugh and Double-Ugh (but I can't tell which is which.)

LOL, the difference is very subtle.

More ...

Helms Pleads to Keep Clinton Out of U.N.

""I'm sure you might agree that putting a left-wing, undisciplined and ethically challenged former President of the United States into a position of such power would be a tragic mistake," wrote the 83-year-old Republican, who left office in 2003 after five terms.

The Associated Press obtained a copy of the letter Tuesday. It contains a petition asking President Bush to "rebuke all efforts by Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and every other liberal in Congress to push for Bill Clinton to become Secretary-General of the United Nations."

I have to agree.

237 riverofpearls  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 1:50:30pm

Sometimes I feel like plucking a few chickens while someone else heats up some tar.

238 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 1:52:19pm

RickZ (#220)

I always thought that she'd divorce Billy after he left office, if nothing more than to show that she is an independent woman.

She wants power more than anything and really, what better way to punish Bill than to force him to continue to live with her every day. They deserve each other.

239 vickie  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 1:57:49pm

I wonder whats going on with Clinton. Either he is cheating or he has SOME CASE of Carpel Tunnel. Its one or the other.

240 yochanan  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 2:26:42pm

rokbassist

Hotel Rwanda shows the moral bankruptcy of the following the U.N. the euro esp the beligans, and madiline albright her voice is in the movie.

The u.n. had 3,000 armed peace keepers and they were ordered not to shoot. They may not have been able to stop it but they could have saved 100,000's who were murdered before the tutsi rebels could get to the capital city. In the movie it showed the fear of the United STates military by the hutu general leading the genocide. We might not have been able to get ground forces in there quickly enough but a b-52 raid on the general base would have sent a strong message. Might even have stoped it


We should be doing more in the Sudan but that does not relieve clinton et al of the complete moral failure

241 pishposh4567  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 3:20:45pm

Speaking of the "worthless left..."

...except for the fact that he's sitting on a treasure trove of petroleum that he's pledged to use in the pursuit of "social revolution."

242 blackpajamas  Tue, Feb 1, 2005 3:44:14pm

If you want a lifetime supply of intellectual ammunition to combat Leftists, I suggest grabbing a copy of Daniel Yergin's The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money, and Power.

Irwin Stelzer even mentions it in his article The Axis of Oil this week...

243 Julmudgeon  Wed, Feb 2, 2005 9:24:18am

Drudge today directs us to Ariana Online,

"Post-Election Buzzkill: Why Iraq Is Still A Debacle" in which Ariana huffs about a number of horrors, after each of which she repeats "And the election doesn't change that." True, Huffy, the election doesn't change the past. It changes the future.


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