I'd say it is time to destroy the guy.

If he has footbulleted so many times that a simple two day analysis finds this perhaps LGF needs to get REALLY serious on it like with Thunder Dan.

How's about's the journalists grow a pair and learn how to defend themselves?

Oh. right.

Then they will have nobody else to blame for their own personal irresponsibility.

What is this moron doing, the Grand Tour of Asshattery?

Jordan delenda est. (non-violently, of course)

Forgot to send that one down the memory hole, didn't they?

CNN = Collaborationist News Network.

And here I was complaining to myself that they DONT shoot them. If I'd only know I would certainly have been in a much better mood.

They truly are positioning themselves for the 'International' market, where being anti-American is about all one needs on the résumé.

#6 addison: Yep. Ol' Eason sure seems able to let his hair down and breathe a little easier when speaking on European soil.

Don't you know that rich, white, elitist journalists are more important than Iraqi voters and children, and deserve more protection?/MSM

They not only want soldiers to place mission and lives at risk for what they believe is the more important matter of their reports, they also now blame soldiers for failing to protect them.

Please protect us, so we can report lies and distortion against you.

Didn't the terrorists in Iraq actually behead an Italian journalist? Anybody remember Daniel Pearlman? Do you hear any mention of these atrcoities?

The MSM certainly is the enemy.

The MSM needs to remember that silence when faced with something as irresponsible as this is the same as agreement with those positions.

Just think how much more balanced the news would be if this actually happened.

“Most were deliberately targeted for seeking out the truth. And in more than 94% of those cases, no one has been brought to trial,” Chris Cramer recalled.

(Anyone else think Cramer pulled that “94%” figure out of thin air?)"

Funny, that is exactly what I thought, well to be truthful I was thinking more that he pulled the numbers from his a$$

I just got a sick feeling in my stomach for having watched a single minute of CNN or CNN Headline News (when I wasn't watching FoxNews) since Eason Jordon's "I was a Saddam collaborator" confession in NY Times.

Damn them, and damn me for watching his network. I really like FoxNews, but I really do want foreign news reporting competition

Sooo...let me get this straight. Iraq is a quagmire and we don't know it because journalists never leave the Green Zone in Baghdad...(i.e. the elections this past Sunday, which the networks apparently used file footage of some other recent election in Iraq to convey the impression of high turnout). Any "good news" out of Iraq is simply neo-con propaganda?

And those journalists that do venture out of the Green Zone are whacked...not by any jihadi producers of snuff films, but by a covert Black Ops unit (answerable only to Mossad) from the U.S. military?

This crap just sends me beyond rage. I feel so helpless against these lying, traitorous, treasonous BASTARDS, and it infuriates me. WHY should we feel like there's nothing we can do? They are providing aid and comfort to the enemy! They are collaborationists! They ARE the enemy! WHY are they permitted to get away with this? Why do we put up with it? Their lies KILL American soldiers and civilians, and threaten this nation's survival! Why can't we try them, convict them, put them in jail and SHUT THEIR STINKING PIEHOLES UP?

11 Harley
In the immortal words of Homer "Well Kent, 71% of all statistics are made up. 84% percent of people know that."

This will not create any great love between our troops and their reporters. Can you imagine how this makes our guys feel? Getting their asses shot off over there and the press is stabbing them in the back at the same time.

What Cramer said is true -- there are journalists around the world in places like Latin America, the Middle East, and Asia who have been specifically targeted for telling the truth and have paid the price with their lives. Unless he was specifically pointing to the US military, Cramer should be left out of this.

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OT: US to train and arm Palestinian Troops.

Here we go again...Do they EVER learn?

RIce to Sharon: Grab your ankles, baby.

The latest stats show that sixty percent of the population no longer believes the MSM. The reason being this type of crap. Lets see, CNN was in possesion of information that was negative to Sadaam, but refused to publish due to fear of reprisal. Now they have hearsay information that the US military is killing journalists and they distribute it at a journalism conference? Obviously these guys are a lot more scared of Sadaam killing them than of the US military. Their logic is comical

On the other hand, the way CNN's ratings have been trending of late, they soon will no longer be in the catagory of "mainstream media." They'll be right up there with "The Daily Worker" and other such popular and widely-read crapola.

No wonder some nations hate us! These liars are responsible. If they had a drop of honesty in them they would publish the true stories... We don't go to war over oil or to gain more territory or any of the horrible reasons they are so quick to attribute to us.

Whoever said that if there were no lies there would be no wars was absolutely right.

They know they are lying when they tell these whoppers. I believe the Muslims with an agenda purposely tell lies to decieve the rest of the world. At the best, these MSM "news correspondants" want to believe these lies... they want to believe the worst about America so they suspend their critical faculties and pass along the lies. All this without regard for the consequences!

The MSM and CNN are circling the drain because of their obvious bias.

In the War on Terror, CNN is on the other side.

#20 Maine's Michael 2/2/2005 05:16PM PST
RIce to Sharon: Grab your ankles, baby.

peres to Rice: Back off - he's my bitch

Yellowdogs all.

Transcript of O'Reilly on Churchill is here.

Some of Churchill's better moments:

Bush, at least in symbolic terms, is the world's leading terrorist. He absolutely thumbs his nose at the rule of law. He's the head of a rogue state by definition, and it's a rogue state that dispenses carnage on people presumed to be inferior in some set of terms, whether they be racial or national or religious or otherwise, on the one hand, and of no particular utility to the empire, on the other.

Has ANYONE heard "reports...journalists have been arrested and TORTURED by US forces"?
In todays media climate, both national and international, I cannot believe that such a claim, if made in legitmate manner, from anyone even approaching a legitimate source, would not have thundered and echoed throughout the country, especially during the just-ended campaign, and in the halls of congress.
I have heard that there have been reporters killed by US forces, and, of course, the lefties will claim that those were intentional in some cases.
But TORTURE?
Time for a nice class action libel suit from the members of the military against Eason Jordan and CNN.
The classic defense against a libel suit by the media is an "absence of malice", but I think malice against the military of the US, on the part of Mr. Jordan and CNN has been amply demonstrated many times.
Can I be on the jury?

#7 Model4,

These journalists are lying in the exact manner that John Kerry and Hillary and Bill Clinton lie(d). They lie when they do not need to only to further promote themselves. Kerry, the vaunted Khmer Rouge gun supplier; Hillary, named after a man who had not yet climbed Mt. Everest; Bill, seeing churches burning in Arkansas that never burned...

If there were a bit of truth to any of these stories--Israelis targetting journalists, US torturing/assassinating journalists--they would be the largest news stories since, perhaps, the fall of the Berlin Wall, maybe larger. But the accusers have nothing to say on the record. Get them in front of a crowd hungry for anti-American diatribe and they spew like there is no tomorrow.

This is self-aggrandizement and politicking at the expense of the United States, the country they seem to so ruefully call home.

OT:

New reports from several Native American groups indicate that they are very unhappy with Ward Churchill - apparently he parades himself off as Cherokee, when he isn't Native American at all. They want him to stop and to shut up. I guess he should stick with the Che Guevara bit, it probably gets him more girls.

Maine's Michael (#20)

RIce to Sharon: Grab your ankles, baby.

I was afraid of that especially since Sharon has always had a crush on her. We're so fucked.

Self-important Eason "little snit" Jordan wants it to be true that U.S. military is targeting and capturing and torturing and killing journalists - so he can consider himself the high priest of the ink-stained / martyred wretches. CNN - King of the Victimized Reporteurs.

Without such alleged atrocity associated with his profession, he's just another so-so working stiff.

He seeems to be looking for first rank victimhood.

So - Eason - where are the facts to support these outlandish claims?

I have no doubt that journalists have died in this conflict - they do in every war - some even by so-called friendly fire. When reporters are embedded on both sides - or going it alone as "independents", they run the risk of getting caught in cross-fire or hooking up with the wrong side just when we are targeting the bad guys.

What are we supposed to do, Jordan? Just before we pull a trigger or push a button should we announce our intention and ask if any foreign, independent journalists are in the way? Perhaps we should tell them they have 2 minutes to skedaddle before we dump some HEP on their heads.

Running the risk of getting your butt shot at or killed in a war zone is expected. Does Eason Jordan think these guys are shopping at the mall?

Facts, Jordan - got some?

Does anyone know if the television ratings collected include post offices, airports, bus stations, and other public areas where CNN seems the default channel? (Anecdotally, I have never been in an airport or post office that did not have CNN on every set)

CNN -- or a LLL sockpuppet acting on their behalf -- has been going around posting their "statement" to blogs.

It would be funny if it weren't pathetic.

#15 elbarto
grin :-) I heard that

Frankly, I'm surprised everyone's taking this so well and speaking so civilly. I am in a cold, white, blinding rage myself.

@20 Maine's Michael

That includes the Golan Heights. In otherwords right back to the 'auschwitz' borders. There by leaving Israel viably dysfunctional due to it's being in two parts. But that's okay, it's only Jews ya know.
Apparently MsRice is also a Jew Hater.

... that journalists were being “deliberately targeted for seeking out the truth.”

And the truth is viewed from the template that all main stream journalists work from: the United States is evil*; the United States' Military is evil; the CIA is evil; corporations are evil, capitalism is evil; conservatives are evil and stupid; Bush is evil and stupid; the GOP is evil; dictators are inherently good but only do evil things as a response to the United States*; Democrats are good and smart; etc, etc, etc ...

From the inimitable Jay Nordlinger (at Davos):

Along the way, I've been giving you some media tidbits. (Don't deny you like them.) How about this one? A columnist for a major American newspaper greets George Soros with, "Well, we tried." I interpret that as, "We did our darndest to defeat That Man in November, didn't we?" I could be wrong — but I sorta doubt it.

Now this story might have a shred of truth if the press had taken some real losses in Iraq (with no disrespect to those who have lost their lives.)

So far it is only some unlucky unknowns who have bought the farm. If the US was really targeting the press the two photographers featured in LGF would have been whacked by now. Not to mention any of a good number of anti-Bush reporters who have spent time in Iraq. And lets not forget the reporter who started a huge mess with the Marine killing the terrorist playing dead. How is it that that guy is still breathing?

If he is not worthy of being targeted, who is?

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@36 tigger2005

Revenge is better served cold. :)

First RatherGate now this. We are seeing the Blog'sphere taking its place in our nations culture and politics. Fact checking the MSM and finding-promoting stories ignored by the same. When the folks in the MSN get hip to this fact, let it really sink in you just might see a slow change to a more honest, hard working less left leaning MSN.

After all, dishonest shills can only survive being Fisked hard and put away wet so many times before they throw in the towel and look for other work.

#37 quark2,

Apparently MsRice is also a Jew Hater.

I don't think so. She is certainly misguided on this, but I do not believe that her motivation is Jew hate.

Time to Ratherize Mr. Jordan.

Hope he enjoyed his career, cuz it's over.

#38 trendsurfer

And the truth is viewed from the template that all main stream journalists work from: the United States is evil

I don't see why you or Charles are making that leap. In fact, I don't see anything particularly objectionable about Cramer's comments.

By some counts, more than 1,200 journalists and media workers have been killed in the past 10 years, more than two thirds dying in their own countries.

"Most were deliberately targeted for seeking out the truth. And in more than 94% of those cases, no one has been brought to trial," Chris Cramer recalled.

If a journalist in a country like, say, Venezuela, Mexico, China, Nigeria, Sudan, etc. goes sniffing around into corruption, there's an excellent chance of that person getting killed. It happens all the time. The BBC article also mentions "insurgents" in Iraq deliberately targeting journalists. Does anyone doubt that? I read the BBC article twice, and I didn't see anywhere in it that Cramer suggested the US was targeting journalists.

Has anyone here ever watched CNN International? It is full of anti-American propaganda. They probably justify it to themselves that that's what their market wants, but when a European or any non-American sees the supposed "American" network CNN say negative things about the US, they believe it all the more. "Hey, if even the Americans admit that they murder and torture . . ."

When all that Europeans and others see of America are the lies from CNN and MTV, is it any wonder that people hate us?

#43 PDM  2/2/2005 05:43PM PST
#37 quark2, Apparently MsRice is also a Jew Hater.

I don't think so. She is certainly misguided on this, but I do not believe that her motivation is Jew hate.

I don't even know if its misguided. Its still up to the Palis to stop the terror. If they can't, land doesn't get delivered. I think this is a viable test of the Palis - one which I have no doubt they will fail.

If they can suppress the violence, then they have proven to the world that they can supress the violence, and when they revert to their old ways later, Israel and the U.S. have every reason to kick their ass.

I have no sympathy for journalists killed while "embedded" with enemies. They should be killed. If they are citizens of a coalition nation, they are guilty of treason.

If a journalist is killed in the line of fire, tough luck. You knew what you were getting into.

And oooh, torture? Why doesn't he photoshop a picture of his face onto the Abu Ghraib hood photo. That would prolly be good enough proof for the Guardian and most the LLLs out there.

In short... move over, Al-Jazeera.

I don't know about Charles. My comment was a generalization of the MSM in the United States. My leap is from observing the MSM since the time they drove Nixon from office.

#47 LiveFreeOrDie,

I don't even know if its misguided. Its still up to the Palis to stop the terror. If they can't, land doesn't get delivered. I think this is a viable test of the Palis - one which I have no doubt they will fail.

If they can suppress the violence, then they have proven to the world that they can supress the violence, and when they revert to their old ways later, Israel and the U.S. have every reason to kick their ass.

I just think that anyone who feels that giving the homicidal Hamites a state is going to bring peace is either misguided or a lying Jew hater bent on Israel's destruction. I like Condi Rice, and I feel she is the former.
G-d willing, I'm wrong, she is neither, and this is all diplospeak.

48

If a journalist is killed in the line of fire, tough luck. You knew what you were getting into.

I once met one of the journalists who has been killed in Iraq. He was a good guy. He did know what he was getting into, but to say "tough luck" about someone who was murdered is a bit callous, methinks.

a journalist that was traveling unembedded was doing so at his/her own risk. embedding with the enemy is even riskier. we're all adults. when people put themselves at risk and need the help of authorities, they usually get a bill for their rescue.

Anyone who believes this sewage would believe that CNN reporters eat puppies.

Utter nonsense. I look forward to Eason Jordon joining Raines, Blair, and Glass in journalistic oblivion.

It seems journalists like Eason are living in the same self-aggrandizing fantasy world as Kerry. Such people need to think of themselves as heroes, brave men (and women) fighting against a vast host of forces arrayed against them. And there's no doubt that there are some forces out there trying to do them harm--druglords in countries like Columbia, and Al Qaeda in various parts of the world. You'd think that kind of danger would be enough to make them feel like bigshots, performing feets of bravery and derring-do.

But it's not enough. To be really PC, they have to be fighting against the US in some way, too. It's not enough to trash Bush, I guess. Now people like Eason have to believe the US military is out to get them.

Now, if he has some evidence that this is so, I'd be outraged along with him. But in the utter lack of any such evidence (or even any attempt to provide it), I am outraged at him.

Funny, though, how Eason couldn't muster up the courage to defy Saddam when he was in power, but distorted CNN's reporting and whitewashed the Baathist regime in order to have the privilege of reporting from Iraq.

I guess that's what comes from trying to listen to the State of the Union message and write comments at the same time--"feets" of bravery and derring-do in post #54 above.

another CNN executive, Chris Cramer, told an audience that journalists were being “deliberately targeted for seeking out the truth.”

CNN wouldn't know the TRUTH if it bit them in their collective ass.

Which it has, more than once.

Rantwraith

I look forward to Eason Jordon joining Raines, Blair, and Glass in journalistic oblivion.

Hopefully Rather and Mapes won't be too far behind . . .

#56 Barbara Skolaut

Again, what exactly is inaccurate about Cramer's statement? Why is he being linked to Jordan, other than the fact that they both work at CNN?

As this recent drama unfolds, remember that it is merely a symptom of the central ethic of modern-day "journalism." That ethic is stated thus: "Journalism is not as much about reporting facts as it is about being an active agent of social change."

"When I grow up I'm going to be a (fill in the blank) and make the world into a utopian paradise! When the rest of the world sees humanity through my perfect eyes, we will all be enlightened, like me, and live happily ever after."

Most likely nouns to fill in the blank:

Writer
Lawyer
Journalist
Artist
Teacher

What an absolute load of shit! It's the "most esteemed journalist" from CNN and a bunch of other lemmings at CNN making these unbased claims. You would think that the rest of the MSM liars would have piled on and tried to steamroll this bullshit. But, no! It's CNN.

I don't see that Cramer's statements are about the US -- he said journalists are targetted, and journalists are targetted all over the world. Sometimes by totalitarian states. Sometimes by criminals.

As for Jordan, that's just his guilty conscience talking. He thinks that coalition troops should be trying to kill journalists, because the journalists have joined the enemy. Killing the enemy is what troops are supposed to do. Fortunately the coalition military has more sense and doesn't take Jordan's personal confessions as being applicable to journalists in general.

cathy :-)

If a "journalist" had been arrested and "tortured" it would be front and center 24/7 on CNN the NYT and every other media outlet. Eason Jordon apparently suffers from some pathology requireing treatment and it should be covered under his benifits plan at CNN. If this boy Jordan isn't insane, he is a criminal liar and CNN is complicit in either case.

We have all seen the videos of attacks on our tanks and trucks taken from the side of the terrorists. I doubt if many terrorists can record them as well as "journalists" who somehow ingratiate themselves with the terrorists to record the attacks. They then use the films for propaganda value. If these guys are killed in firefights or when we take out some guys planting a bomb or something they think we are "targeting" the journalists.

This "torturing" journalists is absolutely bogus. I'd like to see a list of exactly who these dead journalists are and which news organization they work for. My guess is that they are calling terrorist KIA's who carried cameras "journalists". Most likely Eason Jordan is simply making it up or grossly exaggerating something.

Would these be the same "journalists" that are also on the payroll of hamas and hezbollah? Would these be the same "journalists" who are embedded with terrorists so that they can get pictures of Iraqi poll workers being executed or fake car bombs? Would this be like the "french journalist" that took pictures of terrorists trying to shoot down an airplane and when questioned about it said that they thought it was a military plane and didn't realize it was a civilian airplane?

It seems to me that CNN, the UN, etc. know that their equipment, people, ambulances, etc. are being used by terrorists and that they allow it to continue in order to have access to the terrorists or cover up their depravity. It's a game the terrorists play, i.e. kill the soldiers, shoot at the soldiers and then toss away the gun and claim to be a "journalist." Eason Jordon is a liar who covered up Saddam's attrocities so that CNN could have access to the tyrant. CNN hasn't had any credibility since they allowed Jordon to continue working EVEN THOUGH HE KNOWINGLY REPORTED PHONY STORIES.

put up or shut up - give us some examples of this 'torture'. I'm willing to bet it involves eating MREs instead of the accustomed bagel with a mocha latte.

Oh the humanity!

This about says it all...

Hugh Hewitt wrote this morning, "One of the most senior news execs in the world tells a crowd of dignitaries from around the globe that the U.S. military targeted a dozen journalists for death, and there is no MSM coverage of that?... The collective refusal of MSM to mention Jordan's accusation is a tacit admission that this is a completely groundless and utterly false slander."

How far are these "journalists" (I use that term loosely) going to be allowed to go without being called out on the carpet for their actions? As a previous blogger mentioned, many of them are embedding themselves with the enemy for crying out loud! What the hell do they expect? I would no sooner embed myself with a group of terrorists and not expect to get shot at at some point than I would hang out in front of a crack house and be surprised to get caught in a drive-by shooting!

Jordan needs to cough up facts right quick, or resign. Better yet, fire his ass!

As far as the accusations. I quote the esteemed Jr Senator from Mass.

"Would that it were."

The use of the term 'MSM' is very deceiving. First of all, their candidate, that they wholesale supported in the last presidential election, lost, so they're not really main stream anymore. A better term to use is 'TSM' (Terrorist Supporting Media), which is much more descriptive of their philosophy and reporting bias. And Yes, indeed, they are the enemy of this nation - no question about it anymore. The best way to 'kill' them is economically. Make sure any company that advertises on their media is boycotted. Pretty soon they will be treated like a leper colony (no offense to any lepers in the audience), and will go out of existence. If companies realize that advertising with the TSM has the opposite effect of what they desire, they'll stop doing it. Heh.

Jordan needs to be fired. Pressure CNN.

This speaks a ton. (Georgia's chief justice honored by "open government award")

After graduating from the University of Georgia law school in 1958, he practiced law in Rome and LaFayette for seven years before being named the city attorney in LaFayette. He later was appointed Walker County attorney and special assistant attorney general for the state. Despite simultaneously holding three government posts during the 1980s, he hadn't yet learned to fully appreciate the importance of open government.

"I was more concerned with my governments not violating the statutes than how important open government was,"

the award's past recipients are Gov. Roy Barnes, Attorney General Thurbert Baker and CNN chief news executive Eason Jordan.

according to reports I believe to be true journalists have been arrested and tortured by US forces

Is Mary Mapes making phone calls again?

Back in April 2003, Eason accused Saddam of plotting to assasinate CNN journalists.
CNN executive: Iraq targeted network's journalists
... now? It's all Bush's fault! He's trying to kill us all!

Sounds like Eason not only mixes the KoolAid, but sometimes sips the recipe himself.

Jus' cuz yer paranoid don' mean they ain't out ta' git ya'!

These little Eichmanns at CNN, braying into their microphones, whipping foreigners into an anti-American frenzy and spreading their unique brand of defamatory bile...well, let's say "Some May Push Back."

All the "little Eichmanns" I've encountered in America reside on the Left. 95% of professors teaching in the liberal arts would qualify as little Eichmanns. And at least 90% of MSM "journalists" are little Eichmanns. They all bray incessantly from behind lecterns or microphones, spreading their cancerous ideology far and wide. A 9/11 targeting terror-sponsoring university professors and media mouthpieces would qualify as a legitimate response against their doctrinaire, totalitarian pronouncements (that inevitably lead to the murder of US troops, US civilians, and mass hysteria directed against America).

When I read/watch the lies from MSM, I sometimes get in so nasty a mood that I actually wish that the military did the things the MSM claim they do.