There comes a time when it's best just to shut your damn piehole. Jordan, that time is now.

He's learned the taqqiya / kitman gig.

"I do not believe the U.S. military is trying to kill journalists in Iraq"

"Since three of my CNN colleagues and many other journalists have been killed on purpose in Iraq"

Does Jordan suffer from Schizophrenia?
 

IOW, US soldiers are really quite good shots, and not the spray-and-pray maniacs that I and my colleagues have been claiming for the past 2 years.

it's being ignored because the Media know another cock up when they see one and would rather Jordan go away. The beating they've had this week so far has probably made the Media more thana bit gunshy

I disputed the “collateral damage” statement, saying, unfortunately, many journalists — not all — killed in Iraq were indeed targeted.

Evidence please. This is the first time I have heard anyone say that journalists were "indeed targeted" to be killed by anyone.

Good luck finding any mention of this story in mainstream news. It’s being deliberately ignored.

Proof please, Charles? Particular the word "deliberately."

Oh I get it, we peons are too stupid to grasp your "Nuance" Eason?

"Targeted" in military parlance means that the mission profile and oporders are geared to the target. Considering you are "allegedly" a senior newsie perhaps you may have oh I don't know picked up ANY military theory? Words mean things-if the US forces were "targeting" journalists you could stack you simpering fools like cordwood.

Maybe if the newsies were not in such an incestuous relationship with terrorists and insurgents they would not be in the vincinity of inbound ordnance?

Jordon seems to lay out some points that are worth investigating- I hope people at this site take seriously the issue of journalists being killed in Iraq even if you don't like the messenger.

J.S.

[Link: voicesofreason.info...]

Fucking weasel.

Resign already.

#7 Gordon

Oh goodie. Stupid is here. Perhaps you could explain how a story could be inadvertently ignored?

That gave me a migraine about halfway through...

Can you say 'backpedal'?

Once upon a time these little 'slipups' never saw the light of day. Another case of MSM hypocrisy.

Knew it! What a freaking weasel! This guy has GOT TO GO!

#7 Nodrog,

Well considering that the blogs are all over this and Jordan acknowledges that *gee maybe I stepped in it" and there are ZERO stories in the MSM maybe that is *proof*?

You move the goalposts a lot...

How'd you like President Dean's SOTU last evening?

By the way; the closest event I can recall that was remotely near the definition of "targeting" journalists was the Reuters cameraman that was shot by US troops because they mistook his camera for a shoulder fired missile.

Methinks Eason Jordan has been consulting with Seymor "The Government is being run by an 8 person cult" Hersh.

"One of the ways -- one of the things that you could say is, the amazing thing is we are been taken over basically by a cult, eight or nine neo-conservatives have somehow grabbed the government." - Seymour Hersh speaking at the Steven Wise Reform Synagogue

Captain Ed has been a Eason Jordan blogging machine since Hugh Hewitt asked bloggers to look into his statements.

I think Gordon is JFKerry:
He voted for Bush before he voted against him!

It doesn't matter what Mr. Jordan says after the fact. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. The damage to our American military and their integrity was already done. The words of Eason, spoken in Davos, have already resonated thru-out the "we hate America" world-wide media as a validation of their beliefs.

Jordan is playing with semantics now. The excuse doesn't fly.

CNN is just al-Jazeera in English.

Somebody put this little Eichmann, braying into his microphone, out of our collective misery. CNN won't distance itself from him. Therefore, CNN is the Gestapo.

TEST

#12 Thom: Did the MSM "deliberately" ignore the story of your mental breakdown?

There are a lot of stories the MSM ignores. I'm honing in on the word "deliberate." I'm telling Charles to prove it. He didn't even say "I suspect this is deliberate." He said it was deliberate as fact. I'm asking him to prove his fact.

Have you figured it out yet, Thom?

And yet ...

... according to reports I [Eason Jordan] believe to be true journalists have been arrested and tortured by US forces

As long as he can fan the flames of anti-Americanism and perpetuate the myth of the United States' inherent evil , his job is done.

I imagine Eason Jordan is in his office with his fingers in his ears shouting,"LA LA LA LA LA LA! I can't hear you! LA LA LA LA LA!"

#7 Gordon

Proof please, Charles?

You want Charles to prove that a story is not being reported? LOL!

Targeted, collateral, oops. Twelve? Whatever. Considering how these scums have been attempting to smear and destroy the good reputation of our military and obstruct the mission...I'd say twelve is just a good start. Let these sanctimonious bastards reap what they sow.

#19 Eric MN

Part of the Captain's rebuttal:

While I appreciate your response, I find it singularly inadequate. Just in terms of the one incident in Davos, your characterization of the debate fails to match with the two independent sources we have already seen. The first source, Forumblog, tells us that your forum was videotaped. Where is the transcript? Why don't you simply produce that, or a videotape on CNN, with the portion of your statement? Surely CNN has the resources to track the tape down. The fact that your own news service fails to make that information available causes me to discount your characterization.

The good Captain is right on target with his response to Jordon's BS statement.

Bizarre gas poisoning "accident" kills Georgia PM

I wonder if this is one of those accidents like a bowl full of dioxin getting dumped someone's soup while he is meeting with the head of the secret police.

#26 Nodrog,

Hey Nodrog you and Kos ran the Moonbat 15 back in November...

how'd that race end up again?

Trying to play damage control while being silent on the tube means at least Clinton News Network is "deliberate".

#29 Colt: My point exactly. Charles can't prove it. And when Charles can't prove something, he should state it as if it were a fact.

#8 sven10077:

I agree. Notice the slipping of the Big Lie into the apology, rendering it completely specious. As you say, "targeting" has a specific meaning, which completely negates the rest of the apology. Either journalists are being killed by the US Military in a planned and purposeful way--i.e. "being targeted", or they're simply victims of collateral damage and honest mistakes. You can't have it both ways.

On a football field, the guys facing you are the enemy. If a spectator wanders onto the field, he's got no right to whine about getting sacked.

(#7) Gordon

Proof please, Charles? Particular the word "deliberately."

When the chief of a major news network (or newspaper) is involved in some kind of controversy, it's a pretty safe bet that editors at other major news outlets are aware of it.

The only thing that executive producers and news execs follow more than their own audience is their competition.

There's nothing in the Washington Post on this - which is a little unsurprising because their main media reporter, Howard Kurtz, also has a show on CNN called "Reliable Sources." If a higher up at ABC or CBS made the same remark as Jordan, I bet he would have written about it though - this kind of thing is right up his alley. He was pretty fair on Dan Rather and memogate, as major newspaper reporters went.

So this is a special case for him, because he works for Jordan and has a conflict. Still, another WaPo media writer could have picked up the story...

The last NY Times story involving Eason Jordan is from September 2003.

The two most important papers in the U.S. are ignoring the story - and it would be shocking if they were unaware of it.

RAWK! Deliberate! RAWK!

#26 Gordon

They are aware of the story, but they are not reporting it. Have you figured that out yet?

Oh, Gordon is back from the hajj. Wonder who Gordon had in mind when he stoned the devil with those little pebbles in Saudi Arabia.

Jordan is doin' his best impression of a crawfish.
Words, like a bullet, are not retreivable once they're fired off!

Thus...He now walks around with a target on his back.

How stupid to accuse something like this in the first place.

Some people just don't know when to stay in their burrow.

#34 Gordon

Are you actually claiming that they are unaware of this story? Can you really be that dumb?

nodroG is cornering Charles...oh...oh...no he doesn't corner him! False alarm. Relax. Wasn't even close. Had more to do with nodroG lack of logic.

#33 Sven: CNN is a small and diminishing portion of the MSM.

Charles didn't say CNN was deliberately ignoring the story, he was saying the entire MSM was deliberately ignoring the story.

Back in the early 20th century some would have called this techniqute "The Big Lie."

OT

Another MSM tour de force, from the Toronto Red Star:

Zerby's baaack!

Lousy syntax? Check.
Incoherent argument? Check.
Spouts LLL mantras? Check.
Reflexively anti-American? Check.

Must be another Pulitzer-calibre piece by Canada's own Antonia ("Hey, can I have that last piece of baclava?") Zerbesias.

Don't get me wrong, I'm just as suspicious of Eason Jordan as everyone else...I think he probably did intend to malign our military. But it sure would be nice to have a transcript, or a video clip, or something with which to confirm Jordan's actual remarks. It doesn't sound, though, like this part of the Davos conference was being recorded in any way.

#26 Gordon

Please prove to us that the story is not being ignored. You don't like the word "deliberate"? Fine. Accuse Charles of redundancy, then.

ig·nore ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-nôr, -nr)
tr.v. ig·nored, ig·nor·ing, ig·nores
To refuse to pay attention to; disregard.

Youn can't refuse to pay attention to something that you don't know exists.

Let's all chip in and get this guy a dictionary. It seems to be his downfall more often that not. Typical LLL: doesn't believe words have any meaning...

#45 Gordon

Look. You can't prove that something does not exist. So, all you have to do to refute Charles is find a story in the MSM about this uproar.

Until you do that, maybe you could stop squawking and derailing the thread with your idiocy.

#35 JWPaine,

Thanks.

It just galls me, that any newsie has the gall to pretend the US military is "targeting them". If US forces were unleahsed on the press there would be the highest turnover ever seen in their ranks. There are times I wish we would help the embedded reporters with the terrs "calm down a bit" with directed fire, but at the end of the day we must suffer their idiocy so as to maintain our way of life...

Eason will have to forgive me if I save my tears for the people who are there executing our policy on behalf of the American people, and not bottomfeeders leveraging for marketshare.

It is true that a U.S. Representative slapped Eason Jordan down on this one. I still am amazed it was Rep. Barney Frank (D, MA)!

#40 Firebreather

Oh, Gordon is back from the hajj

LOL!

That explains the smell.

Shaddap, nodroG.

There's a huge difference between "deliberately targeted" and "mistakenly targeted." That Jordan would use the former and pretend it is the same as the latter (and only after being caught) fits in with how low a regard they have for the public.

The MSM not interested in this? How can it be?

/thermal sight: ON/

nodroG: GAZE

(Lizardoid Minions: Note the green vapor spewing from it's mouth. On the planet MoonBat, that is known as 'speech'. However, on THIS planet, it is known as trollspeak, or more commonly, bullshit.)

#54 Powderfinger

D'oh. I had no idea that Charles asked us to ignore the idiot.

Guess what, Gordon?

Eason doesn't understand what collateral damage means, apparently.

#33 nodrog

I just did a search on CNN.com for "eason jordan statement". Four hits, but nothing recent. Searching "eason jordan", 26 hits, nothing newer than 04/11/2003.

It appeared to me that the use of the word "deliberate" was an acknowledgement of the usual MSM tendency to NOT report on subject matter that displays them in a bad light.
Like a code of "honor" among theives, the MSM tend not to report on items that BLATANTLY show their bias.

Bush allowed these reporters to be "embedded" (like lice in a dog's matted hair) with our troops.

All troops were trained and debriefed about how to handle these sacred cow journalists-- to risk their lives to protect the embedded lice and to treat them with kiddy gloves at all times.

The military would never invite a scandal by deliberately shooting the embedded lice.

But the embedded lice keeps trying to destroy the animal it inhabits, eating at the flesh of the military, sucking its blood to sustain itself.

Memo to Bush administration: This is the thanks you get from the media for your openness and naivete.

Never Again.

#5 Jewels (aka Julian)

it's being ignored because the Media know another cock up when they see one and would rather Jordan go away. The beating they've had this week so far has probably made the Media more thana bit gunshy

Do they really? G.I. Joe doesn't think so. ;)

#47 Sloan:

It doesn't sound, though, like this part of the Davos conference was being recorded in any way.

Not buying it. A boatload of newsmakers gather at a conference to say newsworthy stuff with a boatload of journalists looking for things to report... and no one was taking notes or recording anything?

Nope, just more liberal CYA. Seen it too many times.

#61 RebTex

It appeared to me that the use of the word "deliberate" was an acknowledgement of the usual MSM tendency to NOT report on subject matter that displays them in a bad light.

Well said...

#55 Model 4

Kinda a like " I mistakenly stuck my foot in my mouth" instead of "I deliberately stuck my foot in my mouth".

One of those thingy's.

One is an example of just bad manners.

The other is an example of being from the deep south...as in...
"Peter and Tweeter were out back, chewing on each other's feet."

My dog smells well. my dog also smells good.

On further consideration, I have to say that Jordan shows enormous contempt for the general public with his use of the word "targeted." The man's a journalist, someone who allegedly knows what words mean and how to use them. To slip that into an "apology" shows the greatest of duplicity.

OT: has anyone in the MSM called Jf'nK on his delivering "guns to the Khmer Rouge" comment last Sunday?

#64 Model4,

Think Wannsee Conference...

there may be "notes" but none of the participants particularly wants them read in all likelihood.

ScoreBoard
Peter & Tweeter?!

OT OT OT

From Debka:

Sudden upsurge of Palestinian terrorist incidents Thursday afternoon shortly after Abbas announced Palestinians had accepted ceasefire.

Fifteen-year old Palestinian boy with concealed bomb-belt apprehended at Hawara checkpoint outside Nablus on West Bank. He was heading for suicide attack. In Gaza Strip, 40 kilo bomb discovered and dismantled near Sufa crossing.

#9 jscorce
Anyone can allege, can accuse. You have to provide something, some bit of evidence to back an accusation. Mr. Eason has not. On the contrary, he is back pedaling and playing the semantics game.

Does anyone recall Eason Jordan lifting a finger when the press offices of Palestinian newspapers are ransacked and razed by crazed terrorists operating in the W.B. and G.S. because the newsspapers were critical of Yassir Arafat and the terrorist organizations?

The terrorists destroyed cars with the reporters in them. They burned down offices. They beat editors. They kidnapped journalists. They beat women. This was all in 2004.

Most journalists romanticize the terrorists and have a similar desire to achieve "martyrdom" (only without dying as the terrorists do).

Out in the combat zone, a kind of transference takes place, whereby journalists seek to "live out" the martyrdom of their romanticized, underdog heroes ("heroes" is exactly how they see themselves).

Because the military is targeting journalists, many reporters feel they too are being targeted. Basic transference.

Last names Van Meter...it's an inside family joke.

Because the military is targeting journalists, many reporters feel they too are being targeted. Basic transference.

Uh, Firebreather, you sure that's what you meant to write?

No doubt, Daniel Pearl was beheaded by vicious marines.

Perhaps if they didn't stand 3 feet away from the terrorists while taking pictures of them firing rockets at American soldiers there would be less journalists killed. Then again, what do I know.

#32 Ed

Bizarre gas poisoning "accident" kills Georgia PM

I wonder if this is one of those accidents like a bowl full of dioxin getting dumped someone's soup while he is meeting with the head of the secret police.

Yep, when I read it last night, I wondered if the KGB was present...

Them Rooskies sho' be accident prone. If I were a suspicious person, I'd believe somebody be helpin' 'em on their way to the great beyond.

#34 Gordon
#29 Colt: My point exactly. Charles can't prove it. And when Charles can't prove something, he should state it as if it were a fact.

Dear Gordon:

Why don't you prove that the story is being reported by the MSM?

Here's a Google News Search Result For "Eason Jordan".

How many MSM news reports do you see on this story, moron?

I don't even see anything from Fox!

63 journalists killed in Iraq were the victims of “collateral damage.”Does this Eason Jordan dude provide references to each journalist and case reports on their deaths?

Sorry, I screwed up my post #73... (Military targeting journalists, therefore reporters feel they're being targeted).

"Targeting journalists" should've read "targeting terrorists."

I know you'll all understand the Freudian slip, especially when it's increasingly difficult to distinguish between the two.

If you type Eason Jordan's name into Google News, you get entries from:

1) Hugh Hewitt
2) NRO
3) FrontPageMag
4) Powerline
5) Weekly Standard
6) Powerline (again)

Nothing from a purported mainstream or non-ideologically slanted outlet.

Still waiting for LGF to be added to Google News. Stinky Beaumont's gotta step up his lobbying efforts.

I know you'll all understand the Freudian slip, especially when it's increasingly difficult to distinguish between the two.

LOL Firebreather!

Hey!
Did ya'll hear?
Kinky Friedman is runnin' for Governor of Texas!

Assuming that the journalists were not actually working with the terrorists.Wouldn't the best descrption of this be "friendly fire" incidents.

So let me get this straight: if my neighborhood has been plagued by violent break-ins; and early one morning in the pre-dawn hours, I hear a prowler in my yard, get a gun, and shoot the prowler; but if it turns out to actually be the milkman;

Then, according to Eason Jordan, I'm "targeting milkmen"?

off to Rush. gotta go.

#85 gwlaw99, yea, but that is a big assumption!

#68 sven10077: Remember when Kerry was crashing and burning on the snow slopes and abusing a member of the Secret Service, in the presence of a pack of reporters? Yet... no pictures or footage of that made it to air or into print that I recall. Or Kerry said that he had the support of "foreign leaders" for his candidacy, but when this upset people the reporter said "Uh, wait, I guess I mistranscribed the tape. He said, err, 'more leaders.' Please pretend that makes sense and doesn't raise the same concerns." Or Terezzza says "unamerican" in a speech, yells at a reporter minutes later saying "I never said 'unamerican!'", yet the MSM chooses not to point out her obvious lie, even when footage exists. It goes on and on.

Needless to say, GOP/ conservative figures do not get the same respect/ whitewash.

#79, actually at least some of the news companies keep themselves out of Google (I don't know how). So to search the MSM properly, you have to go to their own search engines.

I just searched "Eason Jordan Davos" at the NYT site. Nothing recent.

Eason Jordan Davos

But that's the way you have to see what they've really got.

Now that my Man, the Reverand Al, has sucessfully pulled off his PETA scam, enduring him to the millions of his supporters on Oregon college campus's, He figures it's time to add some new talent to His campaign staff and this Eason Jordan is just the kind of public opinion shaper that the Rev' can use. Al senses that the impending unemployment of this CNN dude provides an opportunity to add a world class prevaricator to his staff on the cheap.

Al says that "Eason Jordon epitomizes many of the values that a Democrat politition must hold dear in the struggle to assume power in this great nation" and with his connections to the Middle East, " Jordon can be a great help to the Sharpton steamroller by bringing the Islamist vote to his mainly Christian Campaign".

The Rev hopes that Jordon can quickly get to work on adjusting the perceptions that resulted from Als ecumenical references to some goverment statistics the Rev commented on yesterday.

If the Nodrog ever had a major league fastball (for a pinko liberal), it's sure lost its edge.

It's like a 39 year old pitcher with a 78 MPH heater, trying to survive the final spring training cut by throwing a bunch of junk up to the plate. Nodrog's batting practice "fastballs" are getting whacked all over the park.

Go back to KOS, Nodrog, otherwise known as the minor leagues, where you can have amateur hour with other washed-up has-beens and never-weres.

Anybody got access to Lexis-Nexus? I don't know how frequently it's updated, but it has pretty much everything in print (at least, it did back when I was in grad school...)

#89 Model4,

much as I respect the blogs as a place to engage MSM bias in judo, and not to undersell the influence that the boggers exerted against Rather I suspect that the press will be HAPPY to ignore the blogs until we get radio to start jawing about it.

The blogs need to act as a fact checking and early warning system for radio so that radio can influence the non-net savvy who don't see blogs...

The MSM/LLL relationship has gone from "love affair" to incestuous...

Wow. Captain Ed just lambastes him.

I always knew from my own experience that leftists tended to dominate university and college campuses and that the people to whom they were teaching their values and views had to end up somewhere. So, obviously they end up in the media, entertainment industries and government bureaucracy (which explains the State Department). It is interesting though that economics departments and business schools tend to remain completely untainted by this crap for surely what are good practical reasons. Even the Prime Minister of Turkey noted the other day, in response to Islamist overtures, that "There is no such thing as Islamic Economics."

It is what used to be called the Humanities (i.e history, literature, political studies, theology, philosophy, etc.) that has been most contaminated by the leftist contagion. It is only in the humanities that one can spout the most ridiculous nonsense and be acclaimed as a genius. Just this morning I read an article lamenting the absence of "black thought" from school curriculums. What the heck is "black thought"? Does this presuppose the existence of "caucasian thought" or "native american thought"? Does this mean that there should be "black" science similar to the Soviet Union's Lysenkoism?

Irrationalism is running rampant in the universities and colleges. As G.K. Chesterton said, "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing. They believe in anything."

Say Bostonian, your nick implies you need to employ zombie's modus operandi:-) living a faux moonbat life!

#84 RebTex

Hey!
Did ya'll hear?
Kinky Friedman is runnin' for Governor of Texas!

Dang, I'd sure like to hear "They ain't makin' Jews Like Jesus Anymore" as a campaign theme song.

That's one candidate I could get behind.

#96
I just stay quiet and smile a lot.

Also, I try to stay out of Cambridge.

And now that I've mastered Eason Jordan logic (#86), let me see if I can take a crack at Gordon Logic:

So the MSM are inadvertently ignoring an incredibly inflammatory statement, made by the head of the world's largest news organization, at the highest-profile event on the planet?

This "Gordon" person is one strange dude.

Why does anyone entertain him? He's obviously mentally ill.

Kinky Friedman is runnin' for Governor of Texas!

I'll be voting for him.

OT, but holy shit:

Friday Prayers at the United Nations

UNITED NATIONS, 31 January 2005 — Every Friday at a penthouse hall above the Dag Hammarskjold Library at UN headquarters in New York, one can hear the Adhan, recitation from the Holy Qur’an, and Khutba.

Muslim UN staff members and delegates can be seen arriving at the penthouse hall to offer Friday prayers. The arrangements have been made specifically for Muslims affiliated with the United Nations, who wish to offer Friday prayers.

Did anybody know this before?

#95 Mentat

...It is interesting though that economics departments and business schools tend to remain completely untainted by this crap...

I wish that were true, however, even B-schools are drifting leftward. I recently had to (sadly) tell an old friend (who is an Marketing prof) to FOAD because he turned into a LLL troll.

I have worked closely with the U.S. military for months in an effort to achieve a mutual goal: keeping journalists in Iraq safe and alive.

(sarcasm on)

Since, of course, it is the responsibility of the U.S. military to ensure the safety of "journalists" in a combat zone as if said "journalists" were merely on holiday at Wally-World. Further, this responsibility certainly extends to the circumstance where said "journalist" is taking a photograph (from no more than ten feet away, and with the knowledge and permission of his subject) of the enemy firing on U.S. troops from a concealed position.

(sarcasm off)

NOT!

We must also not miss the subtext of Mr. Jordan's comment. Does he demonstrate any interest in keeping the flesh and blood of the U.S. military safe? No! Not unless we are to follow the CNN agenda of quitting and allow the traditional "culture" (a.k.a. tribal warfare, tyranny, slavery...) of the region to blossom into its own natural perfection (read "Hell").

#79 (Craig)

You can whittle down the list a bit by quoting Eason Jordon (so that only stories where the 2 words appear together are displayed) via

link

You are quite correct that none of the MSM outlets appear. Having said that, why doesn't foxnews at least show up? Surely, liberal media bias can't be the reason (foxnews hardly fits that label) and they did put the wood to that Ward Churchill idiot in pretty thorough fashion.

My guess is that some MSM outlets are looking at this but realize that with Jordan's current weasel words making the rounds only a transcript, tape or video could elevate this story beyond "he said, she said". In short, I'd say that without that transcript it's a bit premature to claim the MSM is deliberately avoiding the story. Gordon is right on this one.

#94 sven10077:

much as I respect the blogs as a place to engage MSM bias in judo, and not to undersell the influence that the boggers exerted against Rather I suspect that the press will be HAPPY to ignore the blogs until we get radio to start jawing about it.

We'll see. The recent signs have me quite optimistic. CNN and MSNBC have been featuring left-wing bloggers like Wonkette, Kos and Sully. Fox News has had on bloggers and mentioned others.

The other day Rush was mentioning blogs and their impact positively, which means he now understanding where they fit in. At first he only saw them as a person new to them would see the "average" blog. Some young person posting all by themself about their day at class, what bands they like, etc. Of course some waxed indignant ("that means he's seen LGF and snubbed it!"), but it wasn't the case. So when the Big Dawg is making positive mentions to his audience of working folks across the spectrum of the American populace, that's very encouraging.

Blogging has come very far into the public spotlight in a relatively short span of time, especially when its technology seems like a backwards step on the surface. "A page with text with news and commentary you say? Whoop de doo!" I think it will progress very nicely.

If anyone has access to Lexus-Nexus that would be the place to go. I'm home sick (no, really!) or I'd be all over it at the office.

Bostonion - Cambridge is precisely where my W'04 sticker AND my Support the Troops magnet were ripped off and stolen, respectively. Shocking, I know.

Eason Jordon releases a...

Damn! I can smell it from here!

Bostonian - oops my bad - didn't mean to call you an "onion"

"When someone aims a gun at someone and pulls the trigger and then learns later the person fired at was actually a journalist, an apology is ppropriate and is accepted, and I believe those apologies to be genuine"-Jordan

Which journalists in Iraq have been killed by aimed gunfire?

Names please?

Waiting;

I turned on Rush, hoping to hear about Eason Jordan, but so far not a word.

#100 JammieWearingFool

This These "Gordon" person kids is are one some strange dude dudes.

Why does anyone entertain him them? He's They are obviously mentally ill.

:-)

#105 YogSothoth

Glad you made it up from R'lyeh!

#100 JammieWearingFool

Why does anyone entertain him? He's obviously mentally ill.

Good question. But I don't think we're entertaining it so much as it's entertaining us - after all, it IS fun to poke it with sharp sticks...
;^)

#106 Model4,

Oh I agree that Blogs are a growing force.

Sorry if I did not make clear I was discussing THIS case in particular. Jordan is fortunate the majority of the rest of the samizdat media is busy with the SOTU...

OT)

Matthews is saying that the "hug was staged"...

Matthews: Hug was staged

The hilarious thing is he is such a rotund fu**ing hypocrit he is...

Beijing billy was MASTER of the staged event...

witness his antics at Omaha Beach on the D-day events

Eason Jordan is a lying incompetent.

Don't force him to resign. Let him keep beavering away incompetently at his job; let him drive more and more of CNN's audience away.

Eventually CNN will merge with Al Jazeera and the mask will completely fall away.

Eason Jordan, Serial Slanderer
From Hugh Hewitt

There is also the nugget uncovered by Peter Cook and publicized broadly by Ed Morrissey, that in late 2004, Jordan accused American troops of torturing journalists:

"'Actions speak louder than words. The reality is that at least 10 journalists have been killed by the US military, and according to reports I believe to be true journalists have been arrested and tortured by US forces,' Mr Jordan told an audience of news executives at the News Xchange conference in Portugal."

Eason Jordan is a serial slanderer of the American military, and he upped the charge from torture to murder this week. He's a senior exec at CNN, which is indifferent to his slanders. Perhaps because they play well where they are intended to? More Jordan, from a 2002 interview:

"The reality is that we are a US-based news channel, but that doesn't mean we're American in perspective with our international service. In fact the person who oversees all our international outlets is not an American at all, he's British, and we hired him from the BBC several years ago. There are more than fifty nationalities of journalists who work at CNN International producing that service. If we were to move CNN's base to Egypt maybe they'd say we're Egyptian—you have to be based somewhere. It's the people who produce the channel and the people who provide the reporting who are really responsible for it, and those are people from all over the world, the very best journalists and program makers we can find. No matter what CNN International does, as long as CNN's headquarters is in the United States people are going to say, well, it's an American service. But the reality is that it's an international service based in the United States, and we don't make any apologies about that."

In agreement that Jordan's feet should be put to the fire by his "Peers" to provide proof or apologize and resign.

But would "Ted" really care ?

Hi, Rayra!

I'd pay good money to see you and Easton square off somewhere!

What are the odds we could arrange it on 60 Minutes? ;^)

#15 song_and_dance_man 2/3/2005 08:33AM PST

Can we all 'deliberately' ignore Gordon.

Nah, I think I'll "indavertently" ignore Nodrog. LOL

What an idiot - collateral damage refers to any unintended victims of military action intended to kill enemy soldiers

If your reporters are in a room and the military thinks they are not reporters, but might be enemy soldiers - and aim's deliberately at the room in an effort to kill those enemy - then they reporters are collateral damage

Unless Eason has some evidence the military intended to kill reporters - he should STFU

Or at least have the class to go out and forge some documents that "prove his case" - paging Mr Rather

Not Gordon again.

You're so freaking lazy. Here, start reading, from bottom to top. It's amazing how Gordon always manages to come out on the wrong side of the issue, supporting the wrong people. How many years on LGF and he remains clueless? Must have a thick head.

In 1999, Eason alleged CNN journalists were targeted ("singled out") for violence by Serb forces.

KURTZ: Eason Jordan, one group of your CNN reporters in Belgrade had their hotel door knocked down as they were in the process of being expelled, had their car set on fire. This is pretty rough stuff going on. Do you have the impression that CNN, in particular, is being singled out by Serb security forces, and why might that be?

EASON JORDAN, CNN EXECUTIVE: Well, there's no question CNN is being singled out for this. For one reason, CNN has a long history in the Balkans and is not the most favorite network of the hard-line leadership in Yugoslavia.

Secondly, we're being watched in Yugoslavia, which is a -- at a time like this, frankly a disadvantage. We would rather not be seen in the war zone just because it brings out the hard-liners who really come down on us with a ton of bricks.

KURTZ: And yet at the same time, if I can follow up, that CNN reporters, along with most other Western journalists, were being expelled from the country, you were allowing certain Serb leaders -- the Yugoslav foreign minister, for example -- to come and make their case on your network. Why would you give them access if they're not giving your reporters access?

JORDAN: We're committed to balance. We owe it to our viewers to present a balanced picture, and if the Yugoslav leadership is going to make itself available to us, then we will allow them to share their views with our viewers around the world.

I should make one point, though. The Serb media has vitriolically lobbed bombs at CNN, saying that we cheered the start of the bombing, saying that we opened champagne bottles when the bombing began. And the Serb television has even said that CNN's leadership should be charged for war crimes.

JORDAN: Well, you know, there are also American commentators who are observing that this kind of war is good for our ratings.
[Source: The Press Goes to War (March 28, 1999) CNN RELIABLE SOURCES, Transcript # 99032700V50]

Nice! It's all good... "for out ratings."

Don't expect to find Eason blaiming Clinton's military for Serb targeting of CNN journalists.

Uh oh ...

Muslim anger at Dutch imam plan

And we all know what happens when the RoPers get angry.

If jounralists wish to stay out of harms way and not get killed, stay home...they certainly arent the sharpest tools in the shed.

#115 sven10077:

Matthews is saying that the "hug was staged"...

Hmm, wonder what a grieving mother who lost her war hero son could do to an ass like Mathews if she chose to reply to his accusation?

I think YogSothoth's got it right, there's just not enough goods to nail Jordan to the wall, so it would be unwise on many levels for a news organization to try to make an issue of it. Although once again, were he a conservative forgeries could be used to assign both words and deeds to him, and the media would have no problem with it.

The other day I heard a sad clip, think it was on Rush and think it was from CNN (sorry so fuzzy on this). It was during coverage of the Iraq election, and whomever was talking was praising the bravery of the reporters in Iraq, and no one else. Nope, not the Iraqi citizens, not coalition forces, but the reporters who are (relatively) coddled and protected, and largely stay hunkered down in safe zones waiting on their stringers' reports. Of course if you're of the mindset that US soldiers are deliberately targeting reporters, kind of explains how one could think this way.

Eason Jordan is a liar.

#71 Mary

#9 jscorce
Anyone can allege, can accuse. You have to provide something, some bit of evidence to back an accusation. Mr. Eason has not. On the contrary, he is back pedaling and playing the semantics game.

jscorce has a total of 5 comments - each linking to his own web-site. 'Nuff said.

#95 Mentat

Sorry folks, I misquoted Erdogan. He actually said:

My views on the Common Islamic Market was considered positive during my bilateral meetings in Saudi Arabia,” he said. “This issue has been raised in the past. The economy does not have any religion. One of the most important instruments of economy is money. Efforts to base money on ethnicity will lead to negative results. And the globalisation process in the world will, of course, reject these results.

[Link: www.ntvmsnbc.com...]

Since three of my CNN colleagues and many other journalists have been killed on purpose in Iraq, I disputed the “collateral damage” statement, saying, unfortunately, many journalists — not all — killed in Iraq were indeed targeted. When someone aims a gun at someone and pulls the trigger and then learns later the person fired at was actually a journalist, an apology is ppropriate and is accepted, and I believe those apologies to be genuine. But such a killing is a tragic case of mistaken identity, not a case of “collateral damage.”

Wow. So journalists aren't being "deliberately targeted" they're just being "targeted". Intellectual heavyweight Eason Jordan is not. This guy makes George Soros look like Socrates.

Eason lied! Journalist died!

OT

Don't let your loved ones give you a "sherry enema"
Sorry, but too sad/funny not to share. And the phrase that comes to mind?
"With friends like her, who needs enemas?"

#105 YogSothoth 2/3/2005 09:20AM PST

My guess is that some MSM outlets are looking at this but realize that with Jordan's current weasel words making the rounds only a transcript, tape or video could elevate this story beyond "he said, she said". In short, I'd say that without that transcript it's a bit premature to claim the MSM is deliberately avoiding the story. Gordon is right on this one.

Gordon is right about what? He demands that Charles provide proof that the MSM is deliberately ignoring this story. Here is his post:

#7 Gordon 2/3/2005 08:30AM PST

Good luck finding any mention of this story in mainstream news. It’s being deliberately ignored.

Proof please, Charles? Particular the word "deliberately."

YogSothoth, are you claiming that the MSM is inadvertently ignoring the story?

They're ignoring the story. Period.

Gordon is belching the usual leftist spin, then fleeing the debate - or trying to defend himself under a different username, which wouldn't surprise me in the least.

900 Palestinian Prisoners to Gain Freedom

At the bottom of the article ...

The army said it arrested a 16-year-old Palestinian youth carrying explosives and a homemade gun and bullets at a checkpoint near Nablus, in the West Bank. Witnesses said the youth had been bragging to people at the checkpoint that he had an explosives belt.

900 released from jail and at least one on his way in. The Palestinians are insane, their own worst enemy.

When someone aims a gun at someone and pulls the trigger and then learns later the person fired at was actually a journalist, an apology is ppropriate and is accepted, and I believe those apologies to be genuine. But such a killing is a tragic case of mistaken identity, not a case of “collateral damage.” That is the distinction I was trying to make even if I did not make it clearly at the time.

Well, newsflash, you ain't all that clear yet. So lemme get this straight: I can aim a gun at somebody and pull the trigger but if it is a journalist all I have to say "dang, sorry 'bout that, I thought you wuz from the IRS" and everybody will pat me on the back and say "there, there, don't get all upset, we understand 'bout these mistaken identify things. Oh, better reload 'fore you go."

Somebody needs to go over these rules for killin' again. Apparently I am behind in my reading.

What was the difference between "mistaken identify" and "collateral damage" again? I don't really think I'd care all that much once I was dead. I always thought that "collateral damage" was what happened if the neighbor decided to shoot his ex-wife and her boyfriend while they was shoppin' and I got accidently killed in the Wal-Mart. I thought "mistaken identify" was if the drunked up fool thought I was his ex-wife and killed me.

#134 Submariner

I just scared the dog.

#132 Dirk Diggler

Intellectual heavyweight Eason Jordan is not. This guy makes George Soros look like Socrates.

Further proof that great wealth and great intelligence do not go hand in hand. Soros may have been a whiz at currency trading, but is seems that pursuit must have damaged the rest of his brain. As for Jordon, he should remember the old adage

Tis better to be silent and thought a fool than speak and prove it.

Being a military guy I can say that I don't see why it should be our responsibility to keep a bunch of journalists, bent on destroying our good name, safe in a combat zone.

If Eason is so worried about his safety tell him to stay home.

The fact is, he's scared of the military, not because they are out to get him, but because he and his ilk vilify the military on a daily basis, so he thinks they're out to get him because that would be what he would do if the tables were turned.

#123 zulubaby--

No sense in re-engaging Nodrog, your sworn and mortal enemy. It's more interested in sticking pins into its little zulubaby doll, or whatever it does.

Also, it's still recovering after the long flight back from Mecca.

Dang, I mistakenly identified the "f" as the "t" in my typin'. Time to get back to work 'stead of wastin' time procrastinatin'.

#127 Model4

I think YogSothoth's got it right, there's just not enough goods to nail Jordan to the wall, so it would be unwise on many levels for a news organization to try to make an issue of it.

Baloney. There are respected people quoting the asshat. The asshat is denying he said what he said, and poorly at that. It is a story, and given the nature, size, and scope of the asshat's organization, it's a HUGE story. Or should be.

115-sven10077--Staged events? not only Omaha but Hil and Bil in Hawaii with the romance photos.

Plus for phony--the video of bill laffing it up at ron Brown's funeral until he saw the camera..then pretending to drop a tear and wipe his eye.

--Diane Sawyer asked mrs Norwood if she staged or rehearsed the hug...Geesh-with so many stories out there that are real.

Over and over the MSM try to tear down W. and over nad over the Msm look like fools. (Remember the day that the Rater gate memos were supposedly typed the office was closed due to Mother's day,a sunday.)

OT.

RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL

Firebreather (#142)

Also, it's still recovering after the long flight back from Mecca.

LOL! Should we have a party, play loud music?

#123 Zulubaby

RE: Gordon

You remember many years ago on the gradeschool playground, the little "t_rd" who nobody seemed to like, who would start some vile argument then run to a teacher or the principal for protection ...

that was Gordon.

In his child-like way, he likes to stir up useless Sh_t just to irritate you and waste a lot of peoples time, this time begging the question to prove a negative. He's hardly around later to answer for it ... ever notice ?

Charles keeps him for amusement, but don't waste your time on him, he's a 7 year old walkin' around in a 35 year old body.

145 Big L...

well I am certain that the TANG secretary/CO were SO concerned over Lt. Bush that they felt the need to go in on a holiday to type it up...

/moonbat off

Yeah it is just funny wathcing them froth at the mouth about stuff that they do every time they get power...

146 Jonny,

O...M...G...

But I don't know why that surprises me, Iran being The Islamic Nation, and Islam being the ROPMA.

#146 Johnny

You need to pick up the pace a little pal.

You just getting around to reading news from 12/14/...2001 ?

#144 Old Buick Tanker 2/3/2005 09:44AM PST

Baloney. There are respected people quoting the asshat. The asshat is denying he said what he said, and poorly at that. It is a story, and given the nature, size, and scope of the asshat's organization, it's a HUGE story. Or should be.

Exactly.

Look no further than here.

Which is referenced here.

Two different individuals are reporting what Jordan said, including a former CNN journalist.

Well, if the journalists were CNN employees, you couldn't call it "friendly fire."

#148 Havoc--

Yeah, I have a vivid mental image of that poor Gordon kid, endlessly tomented in the schoolyard. Now it's trying to take its revenge in a much bigger schoolyard, still trying to exorcise those long-ago demons.

As an aside, greetings to the musical Mrs. Havoc. Oh, to have been a young Brahms luxuriating in Clara's arms...

#115: "Matthews is saying that the 'hug was staged'"

This is such a failure of imagination on Matthews's part.

Does he really think that there are no people in Iraq who mourn their dead?

Does he really think that none of those people might share a bond with Americans who've also lost their own?

Does it find it so incredible that the bond itself might rest in part on the common role of Saddam Hussein?

Matthews speaks without thinking.

When a story is on the newswire and not a single MSM outlet carries it,the only conclusion is that they are ignoring the story.

Case closed.

Its here, the book we've been waiting for. The Myth of Islamic Tolerance, a collection of essays by some of our favorite authors, including Bat Ye'or, and edited by Robert Spencer [see his site]. I'm going to make sure this gets into some of our local libraries, just as I have many other authors' titles. If it helps get it on the shelves, simply donate your own copy. Most libraries operate from very tight budgets. I've done it both ways. Libraries take books that circulate. That's the bottom line.

Eason Jordan is upset he can't plot murder with his buddy Uday any more.

I read on LGF yesterday that there is both a video and a transcript of Eason's speech...plus the speech was attended by lots of public figures and heavyweights like Barney Frank and David Gergen, not to mention other terror-sponsoring journalists.

If somebody is not forthcoming with either the video or the transcript, then that is DELIBERATE. If the video exists and it is being withheld, that is DELIBERATE.

It's called burying the evidence, something the media is very, very, very accomplished at.

Havoc,

Ouch! You're right, and I need to enhance my Date-and-Currency-Checker (tm).

10 points off of on my "Altar of U.S. Imperialism"... ;^(

#159 FB,

That is why I used the Wannsee conference as an example.

I respect that Barney Frank "stood up to Jordan", but that said this smells of 'conspiracy'.

Rayra #116

You make a very important point. The chattering bloviation heads - having no concept of how things work, and don't work in the real world - hold reality hostage to their gross assumption that outcomes are ALWAYS the result of specific intention or specific, intentional negligence. Their sheltered view of the world IS that simplistic and will always fail to provide any significant depth of understanding.

In war, people die in an *unfair* way. My brothers give their lives in order to enhance the security of my children's future and afford others (to whom we owe nothing) the priveledge of living in a civil society in their own land.

#95 Mentat

The absence of "black thought"? I think I heard that one on the radio this morning. Imagine the poor kids who hear this nonsense, and conclude they cannot think using their brains, but instead using their skin color. Who is the final arbiter of what is acceptable "black thought"? Who determines what whites are allowed to think?

Sad. Welcome to higher education!

#157 reader---

I asked 2 metropolitan area libraries about Bat Ye'or's forthcoming Eurabia...and they got back to me that they have no intention of ordering it or carrying it.

Doesn't dovetail with their "agenda," apparently.

Also the emotions were truly high for both of them. Why would Matthews go with "They had to have been instructed ahead time to hug"? It was incredibly more likely to happen than not. Going by probabilities in making an educated guess? Matthews must have other influences than logic.

Havoc,

Charles keeps him for amusement, but don't waste your time on him, he's a 7 year old walkin' around in a 35 year old body.

I imagine Gordon to be about 75 or so, not 35.

#155 Bostonian,

The sad thing is that the pain and respect was likely real.

Saddam Hussein destroyed a lot of GI's marriages and caused them a lot of grief with his intransigence necessitating round robin 180 day rotations for 10+ years.

Not all wounds are mortal.

not that I am trying to equate the supreme sacrifice with the emotional grief the entire Persian Gulf era caused.

#136 zulubaby

900 released from jail and at least one on his way in.

It's déjà vu all over again...

This is not about Gordon...this is not about the word deliberately.

Jordan has equated the word "nuance" with the word "lie". That is because there is so much empty space in the cranial cavity, things just knock about against each other and change meaning before getting spit out.

He can backpeddle all he wishes. His original statement stands and we all get to interpret as we wish, not as he wants us to. Had he meant to say it differently he would have. The rest is BS.

"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool then to open it and remove all doubt." Don't know who said that, but it applies. ... applies to Gordon as well...

#102 Thom

Didn't know it before, but I have been suspicious of the UN for some time now!

Mr Pol, I wonder if it will ever end. The madness and chaos, I mean.

#172 zulubaby

I don't think it will.

sven10077--

Is it possible Barney "stood up" to Jordan because Jordan refused his advances? (OK, that's a cheap shot).

But seriously, why isn't Barney being interviewed by the MSM about this? (Well, we know the answer).

He's an unimpeachable liberal source, after all.

Slightly OT-

Seems the MSM was recently a bit too eager to nail Blair over doodles initially attributed to him, but later found to belong to Bill Gates.

#174 Firebreather, deliberation on the part of the MSM?

#154 Firebreather

Don't get ME goin' on that one, ... in Brahms dreams ... and in his drippy letters.

The Lovely and Talented Mrs. Havoc, Plays the Brahms piano Fantasy, but other than that, ... he could never satisfy her.

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

#170 yesandno

Mark Twain? Not confirmed, just sounds like something old Mark would say...

#171 Eagle

North America's premiere mosque

#167 Zulubaby

Unfortunately, Gordon and others of his ilk come in all ages, sizes, sexes, colors...

#167 Zulubaby

Hmmm ... yah, early onset of senile dementia could explain it.

I imagine Gordon to be in his early 50s, but there's a simple reason for that...15 years ago I worked with a moonbat bartender/screenwriter-wannabe named Gordon. It was about 5'3" inches tall, overweight but not fat, with thick black hair. He/it adored clueless democrats, was extreme in all his/its thinking.

Now, whenever Nodrog posts, I picture the real Gordon I once knew, argued, and debated with.

Here's something for a laugh, especially you outdoorsie types

Why people don't dive with their kayaks

175

Don't even know a Yankee doodle when they see one.

sorry

OT: Remember the Oct. 15^th, 2003 terrorist attack? 3 US citizens killed, one US diplomat wounded... Well, State Dept. got over it.

It seems to me that when one ignores something, one always does it deliberately.

You have to know that it's there to "ignore" it. Otherwise you're just "unaware" of it.

To ignore something is a choice.

The MSM cannot possibly be unaware of the Eason Jordan flap. They also cannot possibly be unaware of the explosive nature of his accusations. The U.S. military with a policy of killing and even torturing journalists? That's bigger than Abu Ghraib! Yet, no stories anywhere. The MSM has clearly chosen not to give it any attention.

Charles could have just said "It's being ignored" and meant the same thing. But it's pretty common today for people to add "deliberately" for emphasis.

nodroG is really fishing here.

#186 tigger2005

I don't think we need to prove CNN is aware of the story - and they're not reporting it.

#176 Roger-- Yes, deliberation from the MSM...who would've thunk them capable of such calculated duplicity and cynicism, huh? Certainly not us!

#177 Havoc--- Given the "romantic" times, I think it possible that Brahms and Clara "did it," especially after Robert went bonkers. And while Brahms isn't known for his symphonies, I actually esteem the 3rd and 4th pretty highly, and enjoy them more than his "academic" works.

BTW--Eason's explanation is "surprisingly" lame?

Really, Charles, what kind of explanation did you expect?

When Vulcans Go Bad

#118 Rayra

Oy vey.

LOL! Yiddish suits you.

#192 Pulchritudinous Patriot

Funny, BTW they just canceled Star Trek...

The Swift Vets story and Rathergate were ignored by the MSM for weeks, but their hand was forced by talk radio/bloggers, and they eventually ran the stories (while simultaneously trying to debunk them and smear the vets & bloggers).

I think the Eason Jordan thing could play out similarly...if we get a massive e-mail campaign going against CNN, the talk radio guys burn up the airwaves, and we keep kicking it around here on the Net.

Give them MSM a week or so to begin reporting it...uh, I mean downplaying/minimizing it.

#191 tigger2005

Eason's explanation is "surprisingly" lame?

Yup. Even "I misspoke" would have been better.

what kind of explanation did you expect?

Not an 'explanation' that basically says 'I'm totally insane and can't speak English', anyway.

#194 Peacekeeper...

Too bad, although I stopped watching when ST:TNG ended.

I just love that Jean-Luc Picard..;~sigh~

#188 - Firebreather

Given the "romantic" times, I think it possible that Brahms and Clara "did it," especially after Robert went bonkers

Lot's of things are "Possible" including a bunker under the Denver Airport with a secret Nitrogen Chamber and a Lizaroid Master from another planet.

C'mon ... The Schumanns were two of the most famous people of their time... and she had kids. Only proof you have is some drippy musings in Brahms letters.

This younger man older woman thing has got to stop, let go,
, it will come to no good ...

Except in my case, the lovely and talented Mrs. Havoc is older , by a little .

#123 Zulubaby: Your little link to the LGF Eason Jordan shrine didn't address by question to Charles one little bit. And then you ad your usual ad hominems.

Either you're thick, or you're so schooled in Apartho-logic that it's impossible to wash out.

Iran wants peace and happiness everywhere. Beards on all the men and sheets over the women. Who can argue with that.

Charles:

Have you, by any chance, been able to get a copy of a video or transcript of the event in which Mr. Jordan made the remarks?

I have not.

I agree with Gordon in the respect that to say that the MSM is 'deliberately' ignoring the story is harsh, considering the lack of real evidence that there is corroborating the story. To report the story without hard evidence would be something akin to what CBS did about the President's ANG records.

OT...

It is my firm (and horrified) belief that Hillary Clinton will be our next President.

Think about it.

1. The only real competition she will have at the primary level is John Kerry, who has proven himself to be a delusional lying traitor over and again. The blogosphere stands ready to thoroughly trash Kerry with his own speculative fiction.

2. Anti-war, anti-rationality John Dean (Yeearrrggg!") is going to head the DNC.

3. Bush has a number of policies that even his supporters don't care for, including profligate domestic spending, an unfinanced border security coupled with the unpopular "wishful thinking" work passes for Mexican laborers. Plus, Social Security reform, while necessary, is going to be a major issue in the years to come--thanks to Dem Demagoguery ("democrat" "demagoguery"--a coincidence? you be the judge) and the increasing population of retiring Baby Boomers.

4. Hilary is positioning herself as a "Moderate."

The set-up is complete. With no viable Republican competition on the horizon, and no realistic Democrat to challenge her, Hillary can easily (and with some "reluctance") save the Democratic Party from the stranglehold of the far Left. In addition to a relieved and unanimous Democratic vote, she'll get the Anybody-but-a-Republican vote, the AARP vote, even some of the Republican vote (those who disagree strongky with Bush's domestic policies but support him for his exemplary foreign policy).

It will happen. Pleasant dreams.

Back at ya, Immortal ;-).

Lest anyone suspect otherwise, I am most assuredly *not* Gordon. Look people, one of the things I like about being on our side of this debate is that we generally tend to be more scrupulous about using reason and logic than our opponents.
This is a good thing. Let me illustrate - I am pro-death penalty but used to use the argument "Well, I'd rather see them put to death than spend all that tax $$$ to keep them in prison for life". As it turns out, it actually costs more to kill them than it does to keep them in prison for life. Once I became aware of this fact, I ceased to use that line of reasoning in my arguments. If your point of view is based upon reason and logic you only dilute it by allowing it to be associated with non-rational thinking.

Now, the hypothesis here is: "The MSM is deliberately ignoring this story". Certainly that is a possible conclusion, but is it the correct one? Well, given that foxnews has no track record of burying stories that paint leftists in a bad light one has to either assume that they've made an exception in this case or that some other reason is the correct one.

Are all of y'all who are in disagreement with me prepared to explain why foxnews has deliberately buried this story?
Are you prepared to predict that foxnews will continue to not cover it should a transcript, video or tape become available?
If not, why not?

Let's leave bad reasoning that happens to bolster one's point of view to the leftists, shall we? We're on the right side here folks, our point of view doesn't need this sort of "help" to win out in the end.

@200 Nodrog

Well I see mr.snarky himself has graced Charles' site once again with his illformation.
Sure wish someone would do some dental work on you boy, maybe that'd shut you up for awhile. Better yet send you packing to the realm of VFI.

#200 Gordon

"#123 Zulubaby: Your little link to the LGF Eason Jordan shrine didn't address by question to Charles one little bit. And then you ad your usual ad hominems."

I agree with with you Gordo! You deserve some UNusual ad hominems.

In Jordan, they love Eason Jordan for his name. Muslim Jordanians just think Eason Jordan is the greatest westerner there is, even better than Robert Fisk and Michael Moore...and Eason's sociopolitical views are exactly the same as most Muslims. They're all "victims" of America. Their mutual victimhood and perceived martyrdom has forged quite a spirit of camaraderie.

It's a mutual admiration society. I wouldn't be surprised to see Eason in a headdress, with a goatee, mounting a camel, holding a Koran, to curry more favor with his adoring audience.

Jihad now. Jihad forever. It's Eason's credo.

OMG...the spirit of Gordon is moving me-I mean-moving my bowels...Gaaa. I can't control it...it's sending a message...

It says: "ZULUBABY-oh child of apartheid-and right wing Jooo-how dare you try to duel with MOI the master of the blogosphere-and compete for the attention of THE LIZARD MASTER?"

Now it's crying-I can't figure out what it's saying...wait-I think I'm getting another message...

"ZULUBABY-GET USED TO IT...President Kerry...".

That's all I can pick up now-I've lost the frequency now.

Apartho-logic

Fuck off, Gordon.

#202 PS,

To report the story without hard evidence would be something akin to what CBS did about the President's ANG records.

Sorry I disagree, there is nothing being said about wanting the MSM to use their happy magic time machine and gin-up some forgeries to sex up their story. The MSM has more than they run on many stories with, and why would Jordan be engaging in damage control if not for a brushfire that needed putting out? The MSM should at a minimum be investigating the story and interviewing attendees while keeping viewers abreast of the issue.

They are failing in their reporting duties with as much aplomb as they exceeded them in the Memogate affair.

"strongky"?

PIMF

Shoulda been "strongly"

A pox on the chiclet keyboards on laptops!

I believe that the Defense Department should instruct every branch of our services that logistical support and protection for CNN correspondents and staff should be denied. The purpose of the order is to protect the reputation of our military services. No more armed guards and transport for reporters, camera crews etc. The less contact our military has with CNN, the fewer opportunities for CNN to slander and undermine our military and its mission.

As for CNN staff and stringers embedded with terrorist units, well, they take their chances along with the rest of their terrorist friends and allies.

WriterMom, LOL! He is so lame.

nodroG-

What the f*** are you on? Where is your proof that the story is not being ignored by the media?

Put up, or shut up...

#200 nodroG

CNN is aware of the story, and knows it's a story, as the lame 'explanations' prove. CNN is a news organization whose job is to report stories. They have chosen NOT to report this one. In other words, CNN has deliberately ignored this story. And CNN is part of the MSM. Hence, the MSM have deliberately ignored this story.

#210 Rayra

Transfer. And devastatingly aggressive counter-battery fire on any subsequent lobbing of ordnance over the borders.

Won't happen.

@204

Lest anyone suspect otherwise, I am most assuredly *not* Gordon.

Oh, I dunno know. You've been here a couple of months, posted 3 times and struttin' around like you own the place already.
You might fool some of the people about who you are.

OT

Did anyone else see this Cox & Forkum cartoon?

ya just gotta laugh at such sanctimonius misanthropes. LOL
GAZE

#211 sven10077

Sorry I disagree, there is nothing being said about wanting the MSM to use their happy magic time machine and gin-up some forgeries to sex up their story. The MSM has more than they run on many stories with, and why would Jordan be engaging in damage control if not for a brushfire that needed putting out? The MSM should at a minimum be investigating the story and interviewing attendees while keeping viewers abreast of the issue.

Agreed. Irresponsible news agencies are out there and they do run with much less. However, it is those same irresponsible news agencies that have agendas so glaring that they would ignore the story if it hurt their cause. Responsible news agencies will investigate...get a copy of the transcript...contact Mr. Jordan and ask that he appear in rebuttal or submit a response...THEN run with it.

#209 zulubaby -- "Apartho-logic".

I find that to have been a rather nasty insult coming, as it did, from this blog's resident infidelophobe.

Gordon,

Your fastball, such as it was, has lost about 20 MPH. You're just getting by on junk. And everybody is whacking your junk over the center field bleachers. Batting practice fastballs don't cut it in the Big Leagues.

Oh dear that Gordon chappie! One imagines a nightmare scenario where he ends up as your dinner partner at a party and you have to listen to his boring tautologies for a whole evening because the host had it in for you and deliberately* placed you there .
BTW isn't there a group called journalists without borderrs which publishes annual statistics about journos being killed on the job? The numbers are quite significant.
*That's deliberately

This is Just Plain Wrong Man...

As you can see I am having a slow day at work.

OT: Skateboard accident on the Moon!

Even in 1/6 gravity, accidents happen. Please, kids, wear your safety equipment at all times!

(This link expires at midnight on 02/03/05 - after that, you'll have to look in the APOD archives for this to make any sense...)

#225 Millie Woods

Among the self-proclaimed Fwench 'elites' there is one game I find both disgusting and very funny: the Diner de cons. The idea is, for a group of self-proclaimed 'elites', to each invite to a dinner one person (not a member of the 'elites'), and make it as stupid a person as possible. The player who invited the most stupid person wins.

nodroG, what are you doing Saturday evening? I'm inviting you for dinner.

pookle-

That kicks ass! And I believe that particular jackasses name is Gordon!

#217 Mr Pol

Good point.

Gordon...

Charles isn't REPORTING the news...he is providing commentary.

Commentary is exactly that. He calls it as he sees it. He believes, obviously, that the MSM in general is deliberately ignorning the item.

I would argue that with MOST msm outlets it is probably not deliberate. MOST would prefer to see CNN sink completely, and I am sure that if a transcript or video of the event becomes available, FOX, particularly, would be all over it.

#228 Mr Pol

I saw a movie (French) with that plot! People actually do that?

I'm inviting krazykounselor.

has anyone in the MSM called Jf'nK on his delivering "guns to the Khmer Rouge" comment last Sunday?

An excellent question.  Looks like a big "NO" so far.
 

#199 Havoc--- OK, I can live with Brahms and Clara being platonic. But Wagner's first wife was older than he was...and don't forget Shakespeare and Anne Hathaway. Older women "know things."

/Another guy with an older wife (3 years)

It must be nice being a big shot at CNN and never having to worry about ever being called to account for anything that you say by the MSM.

#200 Gordon

Put a cold compress on your forehead and ask mommy to put you in the crib for your afternoon nap. Someone's a cranky little fella...

#231 Thom

I saw a movie (French) with that plot! People actually do that?

Yes. Hence the movie.

I'm inviting krazykounselor.

Against THE nodroG? Hah!

Ok, last one...I need to stop with the Starbucks already

There is no Hell, there is only France

#233 Firebreather

OK, I can live with Brahms and Clara being platonic.

For Chopin and George Sand, there is proof it wasn't platonic. Listen carefully to the mazurkas, and you'll hear her moving under the piano.

#237 Mr Pol

But just look at my idiot!

#202 pilgrim shadow:

To report the story without hard evidence would be something akin to what CBS did about the President's ANG records.

Not even close. Stories and angles within stories are reported all the time where there is no "hard evidence" but there are witnesses to the events. That's a far cry from using a partisan nutjob with a dubious and unverifiable story, describing him as "unimpeachable" while cloaking him in anonymity, helping him work with a political party in an ongoing campaign, and dismissing every credible expert and witness who says the evidence is forged and/or erroneous.

Seriously, how did you even think about equating the two?

I picked up my local fishwrap the other day and I saw a story about how the IDF murdered a 10 year old Palestinian girl. Their only source was some Hamas guy that says it was Jews that killed her. Nice big headlines on the article.

Yesterday I read on the internet about how a Palestinian was arrested for her murder. It seems it was impossible for her to be shot by the IDF and she died because some moron fired his gun in the air.

So I pick up my fishwarp and expect to see a retraction...

THe MSM only reports what it wants to report. This is a story they don't want to report. It is like a tree falling in a forest, if they don't report it, it will never make a sound.

@233

/Another guy with an older wife (3 years)

Hey, there ain't nothing wrong with that. :)

#234 Rayra

polite well-worded equivocating crap is still just that.

complete bullshit. We've got at least two corroborating witnesses - a Lib congressman and a former CNN co-worker of Jordan's - and a huge historical trail of similarly phrased accusations about 'military targeting journalists' uttered by Jordan.

#240 Thom

One comment. No stamina.

relax hon

Believe what you like, quark2 - but a quick email to charles and an examination of the his apache log will prove otherwise.

As far as "strutting around like I own the place" I don't guess you believe in sharpening ones wits with actual debate. You know, the reason so many leftists get obliterated during political arguments is that they are so insular. It is trivial for a left-leaning person to *never* encounter the very best reasoning from the right - not possible for us on the other side of the aisle. I personally think that it is a feature (rather than a bug) to test your skills against the very best your opponents can muster, how otherwise can you really know the strength of your arguments?

Have you never heard the phrase: "Is your line of reasoning so feeble that it cannot withstand criticism?". Is this not exactly what we excoriate the defenders of islamofacism for doing? Do we not revel when cretins like Ward Churchill come face-to-face with people not in his "amen corner" for the first time? Are we like him or the people who hand him his ass?

"And today in sports... Gordon, AKA "Nodrog," has been placed on irrevocable waivers for the purpose of giving him his unconditional release. Nodrog was acquired 2 years ago by LGF for a mop, 2 Hefty Bags, and a can of Drano. For 2 years, LGF regulars played Fungo with Gordon, and Gordon worked as a ball retriever and batting practice dummy...

but now an aging Nodrog, once LGF's resident Court Jester, serves no particular purpose..."

This thread has gone from being about Eason Jordan's dissembling to being about nodroG's snideness and his ability to send LGFers into a tizzy.

We've got better things to talk about.

#240 Thom

"YogSothoth" looks promising... what do you think?

#234 Rayra

But it could have been produced on an IBM Selectric Composer using 4 different type balls and a slide rule... You can't prove it wasn't, right?

/oblivious

#245 Mr Pol

One comment hell! Go, and see stupidity in full bloom. :)

Gordon is on the menu...quick-buy stock in Immodium.

#253 Thom

Ouch. OK. I'll invite Kos. So there.

I'm not arguing that the story has no credibility.

If you are familiar with my posts...I'm far from an apologist for any LL news organization. When we hit them with the Rathergate scandal...we didn't do it with innuendo and with 'he said / she said' crap...we hit them with the facts...right between the eyes. If you want to see this guy get fired and run out of town, you don't do it with the information we have right now.

But I would BET that somebody...somewhere...has a video. And I, for one, would LOVE to get my hands on it. I'd love to back up the things that have been said with fact...and slam it down his dhimmi throat!

#239 Mr. Pol---

Only a French woman could be named George.

OT: Major terrorist attack thwarted today in Jerusalem. Hudna, anybody?

#257 Firebreather

Her real name was Aurore Dupin.

Check out the Washington Post on that unbelievable moment during the State of the Union when the

When the video becomes available...assuming there were people in the audience and one of them thought to bring their camcorder...and decides he/she wants to make a few bucks...

It'll be on Drudge...it'll be on Fox...then sooner or later it'll pop up on the rest of the MSM EXCEPT, of course, CNN.

Sorry if this has already been posted.

'Celebrity Backlash' Helped Re-Elect Bush, Actor Says

"The Democratic Party has to make a decision of which way they are going to go. If they want to go the way of Howard Dean, if they want to go the way of [Al] Sharpton, if they want to got the way of [Dennis] Kucinich, that is a choice that the party makes and I think they will forever condemn themselves to minority status," Silver said.

A big Thank You to Michael Moore for helping get Bush re-elected!

#260 Rayra

Lock the gates. Cut off the utilities and Israeli-provided humanitarian support.

Won't happen. Which means

Let the murder factions there rip out their guts for a few years.

won't happen either.

#264 Mr Pol

Won't happen

Still a great idea though...

#264 Mr Pol

Wont happen

Not in the NEAR future...but in the long run, the Palestinians will have to be DEFEATED. Its the only thing they really understand.

Mr Pol (#258)

OT: Major terrorist attack thwarted today in Jerusalem. Hudna, anybody?

Look at this crap -- Abbas Says Palestinians Will Call Cease-Fire Feb. 8

I mean if he's calling for a cease-fire, why not do it right now, today? Does anyone actually believe that the Palestinians can give up their addiction to Jewish blood?

#259 Mr. Pol---

You're right...but she also smoked cigars.

#251 Mr Pol

Hmm. I am partial to the sanctimonious ones ...

YogSothoth - are you free Saturday? We're having a dinner party in Gay Paree. Mr Pol is quite handy in the kitchen, so you'll have a great time.

#261 William

This is nothing but anti-Bush liberal bias.

When a dog pees on a fire hydrant, is it vandalism?

It isn't clear to me what Jordan hopes to gain by distinguishing between collatoral damage and mistaken identity. Both result in the undesired, accidental death of a non-combatant.

#268 Firebreather

You're right...but she also smoked cigars.

So did Monica. Well, OK, she didn't exactly smoke 'em...

#267 zulubaby

I mean if he's calling for a cease-fire, why not do it right now, today? Does anyone actually believe that the Palestinians can give up their addiction to Jewish blood?

Just another diversion to try and perpetuate the illusion that they will really participate in negotiations. This is just a BS ploy to buy more time and generate more sympathy from the Pali lovers...

If someone is shot, obviously they must have been fired upon. When you fire a weapon you are always targeting something even if you aren't aiming at the thing you are targeting, or even aiming at anything at all for that matter. Thus, journalists are being targeted in Iraq. That's what I meant. I was simply misquoted. Look at the little monkey.

/Eason Jordan

#272 Globular Cluster

It's called BACKTRACK

weak, desperate, feeble attempt...
before the video comes out...
and I think it will come out.

#272 Globular Cluster

It isn't clear to me what Jordan hopes to gain by distinguishing between collatoral damage and mistaken identity. Both result in the undesired, accidental death of a non-combatant.

He's attempting to deny that 'journalists' were actually embedded with terrorists - while at the same time trying to blame the US.

OT?

Gordon- this seems appropriate

Apartho-logic?

I expected better.

Yeah "another woman" sort of misses the meaning of what went on...

I think at least ONE Iraqi said, "thanks from the grateful people of TWO nations"...

the press sure has a tin ear.

@251 MrPol

Yep. :)

Look here is a good reason why.

If you are familiar with my posts

Yeah all 5 of them. OooAaah!

Think it comes with replaceable parts? *lol

We can argue all day about what kind of journalism standards are necessary before running with a story.

Why would anyone believe that if FNC had their hands on information potentially damaging to CNN they wouldn't come out with both guns blasting?

Actually, if you read what this idiot wrote, he doen't even know what he says.

It's a mess of internal contradictions. Why was he reacting to Frank's observation of "collateral damage" if they were indeed killed by mistake.

Because he is an idiot, and he doesn't want to admit it.

There is a "smoking gun" on Eason Jordan even if the videotape and transcript are burned... Celebrities like Frank and Gergen, who attended the speech, can attest to what was said, if they wish to.

As good liberals, they can sugarcoat the comments or instruct us on how to "interpret" what Eason said ("I think...what he MEANT to say...was...").

But very visible people can reconstruct the speech, if not verbatim, than the crux of it. They probably wouldn't put their own credibility at risk by lying to cover up for a sack of shit like Eason Jordan.