Was the artist just saying Screw the koran?

A first?

Hmmm so in America, we have Jesus on the cross in a pool of urine, and all sorts of things, and we leave them up even when people protest.

But God forbid the Muslims get offended. Especially if they make threats.

And the Dems want us to be like Europe, with no freedom of speech.

Yes, let's focus on one plague at a time.

yee-haw...

I wonder what moonbat math will force them to decide...

the "christ in urine" crowd should be enraged that the government just caved and is acting as censor...

the "multi cultis" will preen about how well they have done to foster such "enlightened tolerance"...

the list goes on.

Museum director Jette Sandahl said the painting was removed because it was detracting attention from the exhibit.

“We were having so many conversations with the audience about that painting, and it was getting more and more intense,” Sandahl said.

Then why not move it to another exhibit? One would think that if an art exhibit was meant to increase awarness about HIV, perhaps another exhibit about Islam could foster debate on those issues.

This was dhimmitude, pure and simple.

I'm trying to complete the math on this one.
THey have 9,000,000 people.
They got 700 complaints.
I'm no Pathagarus,but...
That's less than 1/100th percent?!
Get real!

A painting depicting a couple making love while covered in Quranic verses was removed from a Swedish museum this week after hundreds of complaints, some threatening, from Muslims who found it offensive, officials said Thursday.

OK, threats are over the line but, I can't fault them for being offended by the exhibit. I'm sure I would be if it was my religion.

Wouldn’t want to “shift the focus.”

Wouldn't want the museum blown up either...

did I say that out loud?

No, by all means, capitulate. Why don't they just run the white flag up the pole now?

So is the artist now in hiding?

Does this mean muslims don't have sex with the koran in the same room?

7 RebTex

That's less than 1/100th percent?!

Yeah, but that 1/100th is made up of the "gun you down in the streets, slit your throat like dogs" minority.

Not saying they should have caved, just pointing it out.

I wonder how much longer it will before they are asked to remove the cross from their nation's flag. I'm not being sardonic.

!Hola Burbuja Chica!

The exhibit was spending too much time conversing about a deadly pathology that strikes down innocent people in the prime of life instead of focusing on AIDS.

Art auction time!

Buenas noches, El Guapo ...

Como esta?

I put that chances between slim and none, but wonder if things like this are causing Europeans to rethink their nihilism. "Maybe there are such things as right and wrong, and maybe there are lines that shouldn't be crossed casually in the public square." Still, I can't picture them applying similar concern or courtesy to something that went out of its way to be controversial or shocking to Christians. Don't even want to think about Jews in this context (shudder).

With no standards (or vague notions) for acceptable public standards and discourse, suffering inevitably follows. Once this is recognized, one then has to ask why everyone isn't entitled to similar consideration.

Thorny issues no doubt, made even worse when the gubment is involved. But it certainly isn't black and white.

Bubble Girl
I've got my heels up & a belly full of dinner!
What could be better?!
You?

#15 BobG

Great post.

The exhibit was spending too much time conversing about a deadly pathology that strikes down innocent people in the prime of life instead of focusing on AIDS.

Wasn't it Sweden that bin Laden said he had no reason to attack?

Yeah, because they are perfect multi-culti Dhimmis

I wonder if the Swedish authorities would give similar consideration to Jews or Catholics who raised a similar objection? I suspect not.
/start sarcasm On the other hand, this actually is a sort of insult to Muslims, they have to humored because they are unable to excercise as much tolerance as those of other faiths? /end sarcasm

It's a slippery slope. You can't just go around depicting a couple making love while covered in Quranic verses. Next thing you know, they'll be showing women driving.

RebTex

Me Too!

One ton to-ma-tah
he grew a one ton to-ma-tah
one ton to-ma-tah
he grew a one ton to-mat-tah...

obviously not the same board that refused to remove the elephant dung/crucifix painting...lets ship the board from the Brooklyn museum over there

Don't get me started...again!

altogether now
everyone channel Robert Mapplethrope

I have to side with those who made the complaint. Based on what I read in that article, (and i acknowledge that it is far from a total picture) it would appear that the purpose of the painting was to be offensive (I'm sure that an art critic would say "controversial"). I wish that museums in the US were more easily influenced, especially the ones funded by the taxpayers.
That still leaves the question of what this painting had to do with HIV anyway.

#23 BobG

LOL

Parson

I can't help but wonder if it were a picture of extremists cutting off some infidel's head with verses of the Quaran across it, there wouldn't be a murmur... Just sayin...

#24 BG

I certainly hope you're not alluding to my weight...

But a picture of the Virgin Mary covered with elephant dung is just fine?

If I weren't a gentleman, I'd be swearing a blue streak right now.

When the moslims flex their muscle even more in saying rennaisance masterpieces are also offensive...along with their nude scuptures...then they'll advance onto the libraries..etc...

Quark2 We can stop'em there
or wait & TRY to stop'em here

Killer Tomato

LOL LOL

Last night we were talking about what kind of music Kerry likes, i.e., Puff the Magic Dragon, and Blowin in the Wind. I couldn't remember the name of the song, Guantanamero and someone else told me, then said you could sing it as One ton tomato

LOL

Killer Tomato

But on the other hand if you are a one ton tomato, then your nic is right on!

#31

Let's be clear. It's one thing to cover the Virgin Mary in elephant dung, another to cover a naked couple in bullshit.

Bubble Girl
Can you say Little Shop of Horrors?

#34 Bubble Girl

That was me!

Any idea which Koranic verses were displayed? The work would actually be compelling, if the Koranic phrases used were the ones that instructed men to dominate their women, and how only virgin women can gain entrance to heaven, and how women are to be treated like property, and how men should have many wives. I can see that fitting in the AIDS theme.

That said, the whole thing seems like a "Submission" copycat.

Don't worry about our libraries, the Boulder Public Library had the Abstract Penis Exhibit in their foyer...

OT
An Afgan aircraft is missing
It was carrying 100 passengers.

Traveler

Yeah, one ton tomato, yeah!

OT
Shiite slate leads in initial Iraq election returns

(Baghdad, Iraq-AP) Feb. 3, 2005 - Partial results are in from this week's Iraqi elections, with returns from Baghdad and five predominantly Shiite provinces.

As expected, the United Iraqi Alliance, backed by the Shiite Muslim clergy, has won nearly 70 percent of the 1.6 million votes certified so far.

#34 Bubble Girl

Oh, OK. Just checking!

Music Kerry likes? Gee, I dunno, Vietnamese folk songs? I thought I heard someplace that he'd been over there...

The real problem is that those 700 people all went home and slapped their mothers.

About a year ago the Swedes sponsored an antisemitic art exhibit. The Israeli ambassador tried to end the show. The Swedes told the Jews to shut the fuck up.

The Swedes are sons-of bitches.

I don't give a damn about them.

Here's the story on LGF on the Swedish antisemitc art exhibit:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

A smart Muslim would buy it and destroy it. Perhaps they had a shortage of smart Muslims there.
:-P

#45 Bob G.
Maybe it was just 27 people that complained 27 times each?

Bob G.

LOL... you're on a roll.

Or maybe it was 2 people who complained 350 times each...

I can understand Muslims being offended by this, just as I could understand the feelings of Christians offended by "Piss Christ" or that statue of the Virgin Mary covered in dung. The point is that Muslim complaints are the only ones the LLL's listen to. Why? 'Cause they know angry Christians aren't going to slit their throats or send a suicide bomber over to blow up the exhibit.

Koran verses covering a couple making love is inappropriate. The verses should be covering the scene of an "honor" killing or a woman being beaten or a 12 year old girl being genitally mutilated,...,:-(

A clearcut case of Stockholm syndrome.

Hey, last month when the Horizont documentary on the Muslims in The Netherlands, and Theo Van Gogh, was posted on the Web, there was a mention in it that there was going to be a documentary about Islam on Swedish television in January.

Has anybody heard about the show, and whether it really aired?

47 PDM

Why pay good money when death threats work just as well? The muslims are just going with whats been working for them so far.

Another celebrity gives the Nazi salute, Jeanne Garafolo.

What part of freedom don't you get, Ms. Garafolo?

OT, but related to Muslims and their "pious" lifestyles --

I just finished the 3rd book of the "Princess" trilogy, where a Saudi Arabian princess (there are thousands of royal family members) smuggled her life story out under a pseudonym and told of the horrors of this male-dominated society. They are strictly forbidden to have liquor or cigarettes or satellite TV -- and they all sneak it in. They even fly in prostitutes on private jets for lots of fun, then ship them back to Paris. They have harems of sex slaves, young girls as old as 8 being held against their will...

Oh yeah, and if you decide your daughter has "dishonored" the family, you can drown her in the family pool if you want.

But don't dally with that prostitute too long because you might be late for morning prayers!

Such a peaceful religion...

#53 song&dance_man

That's all well and good, but when it comes down to Shari'a Swiss Cheese... well, then we're gonna have a problem.

#55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir),

Why pay good money when death threats work just as well? The muslims are just going with whats been working for them so far.

Sad, but true.

ot - For having 24 hour news channels they sure are avoiding quite a few news items lately.

Perhaps this would have been preferable to all:

* At the Trapholt Art Museum in Denmark, an artist named Marco Evaristti displayed 10 live goldfish, each swimming in its own blender. Museum visitors were given the option of turning on the blender. Seven goldfish were liquefied before the police pulled the blenders' plugs.

#62 Julmudgeon

Are you advocating putting Korans in blenders?

Because if you are, I'm cool with that.

Julmudgeon
At the risk of sounding like a Red Neck...
Exactly HOW is that art?!
It reminds me of the "scrap steel wads" the major cities buy to decorate with.
Displayed on a major street, it's called "art".
Piled in someone's yard, it's called a zoning infraction!

RebTex

One mans garbage is another mans art?

@33 RebTex

You remember that old WWI song? 'Over There'?
It's always better in someones elses backyard.

But we've got enough of the vermin here now, that I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing some action here too.

Performance Art

"...It shifted the focus from HIV and AIDS, which is what the exhibit is about.”..."

Whatever!

#56

Garofolo is something else. Nov 3 on Air America she already was calling for impeachment. She really doesn't get it. Why is someone always shoving a microphone in her face?

I find Moslems offensive. Can we remove them now?

CrimsonFisted
I have an answer for that question, but there are Ladies present!

Garfalo

You know what they say about show business:

It's lonely at the bottom..

#71

hahahahahaha!

Remember the pool of blood homage to suicide bombers that was protested by the Israeli diplomat to Sweden. He knocked a light into it when he was in Stockholm.

They never removed and as a matter of fact the swedes were quite proud of the work they had accomplished. I will try to dig the article up it was on honest reporting a while ago.

Shouldnt Sweden have appeased their Jewish population?

I do have to say thought that the Swedes have managed to have the mosque on Söder Malm stop the call to prayer. It was the most silent mosque I had ever seen.

Swedens Turks and Palis were the worst behaved people I had ever seen as immigrants. After living there for a while though I can see how their attack plan towards arabs are. They will revert to genocide in true European fashion if they (Arabs) stepped over the line.

But in Brooklyn NY it's perfectly OK to smear feces on a picture of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and call that art. When the Catholics complain the BMA tells them to get lost and profits wildly from the exhibition.

Here is the linkSwedish Art Outrage

And let's not forget, that when the art was insulting to Jews, the LLL came to its defense and roundly criticized the Israeli ambassador's reaction to the vile display.

[Link: debka.com...]

LLL Double Standards for all to see.

There wasn't just elephant dung on the picture of the Virgin Mary. There were also dozens of little photos of ... er ... female private parts, very graphic. No one mentioned it out loud, but it was there in all the photos.

The Brooklyn Museum folks were very proud of themselves. But, as we all know, hurting Christians' feelings, according to the Leftists, is a good thing.

69 Crimsonfisted

Why is someone always shoving a microphone in her face?

Well, if it was me, it would be to serve as a gag.

Everyone knows that it's ok to mock christians and their beliefs. After all current wisdom says that they are responsible for all the world's ills. A white religion to give backing to white people so they can colonize the world and abuse the peaceful people therein. If it wasn't for that we would all be living in peace and harmony together.

//removes tinfoil hat

LLL Double Standards for all to see.

Jews need to make themselves look like an oppressed minority for that to happen. Israel should disarm for sympathy points.

63 Kragar and 64 RebTex

I'm not advocating or condemning. Just threw it out there. (I like some weird art, some not.)

On more serious level, here's this:

Koranic duels ease terror
By James Brandon | Contributor to The Christian Science Monitor
SANAA, YEMEN – When Judge Hamoud al-Hitar announced that he and four other Islamic scholars would challenge Yemen's Al Qaeda prisoners to a theological contest, Western antiterrorism experts warned that this high-stakes gamble would end in disaster.

Nervous as he faced five captured, yet defiant, Al Qaeda members in a Sanaa prison, Judge Hitar was inclined to agree. But banishing his doubts, the youthful cleric threw down the gauntlet, in the hope of bringing peace to his troubled homeland.

"If you can convince us that your ideas are justified by the Koran, then we will join you in your struggle," Hitar told the militants. "But if we succeed in convincing you of our ideas, then you must agree to renounce violence."

The prisoners eagerly agreed.

Now, two years later, not only have those prisoners been released, but a relative peace reigns in Yemen. And the same Western experts who doubted this experiment are courting Hitar, eager to hear how his "theological dialogues" with captured Islamic militants have helped pacify this wild and mountainous country, previously seen by the US as a failed state, like Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Since December 2002, when the first round of the dialogues ended, there have been no terrorist attacks here, even though many people thought that Yemen would become terror's capital," says Hitar, eyes glinting shrewdly from beneath his emerald-green turban. "Three hundred and sixty-four young men have been released after going through the dialogues and none of these have left Yemen to fight anywhere else."

(That's about one-third of the article.)

81 Psyduck

Israel should disarm for sympathy points.

Wow, think how much sympathy Israel would get after the Syrians, Iranians and other Arab states annihilated them? Great idea.

or did you just forget the /sarc tag?

This from about two-thirds down in article:

Some freed militants were so transformed that they led the army to hidden weapons caches and offered the Yemeni security services advice on tackling Islamic militancy. A spectacular success came in 2002 when Abu Ali al Harithi, Al Qaeda's top commander in Yemen, was assassinated by a US air-strike following a tip-off from one of Hitar's reformed militants.

Julmudgeon
This guy sounds like quite a poker player!

or did you just forget the /sarc tag?

If you cant see it dripping from my comment, Kragar this is for you.

/sarc

#86 Psyduck

Thanks.

The reason I wanted to make sure; I saw the same reasoning going on at an IMC thread, that if Israel were to be seen as weaker than the neighboring states, the other nations would no longer feel threatened and then there would be peace.

Typical LLL logic there

#85 RebTex

Yes, kind of like our Delta Force plays poker sometimes:

The Differential Theory of Special Operations Forces

(Snake Model)

Upon encountering a snake in the Area of Operation (AO):

* Paratrooper: Kills the snake.

* Armor: Runs over snake, giggles, and looks for more snakes.

* Infantry: "Look, a putty cat. Come 'ere kitty . . . Ouch! Hey, that's not a kitty cat."

* Infantry (alt): "Ugh! Me see snake. Me like snake. Ouch! Me no like snake."

* Army Aviation: Has GPS grid to snake. Couldn't find snake. Back to base for crew rest and the club and some sort of drink called "The Snake"

* Ranger: Plays with the snake, then eats it.

* Ranger (alt): Assaults the snake's home and secures it for use by friendly snakes.

* SEAL: Expends all ammunition, several grenades and calls for naval gunfire in a failed attempt to kill the snake. The snake bites the SEAL then retreats to safety.

* Corps Artillery: Kills snake, but in the process kills several hundred civilians with a massive TOT with three FA BDEs in support. Mission is considered a success and all participants are awarded Silver Stars. (Cooks, Mechanics, Legal Clerks etc.)

* Marine Recon: Follows the snake and gets lost

* Combat Controller: Guides the snake elsewhere.

* Pararescue: Wounds the snake in first encounter, then feverishly works to save the snake's life.

* Special Forces: Makes contact with the snake, builds rapport, wins its heart and mind, then trains it to kill other snakes.

Julmudgeon
Wow!
That was a long way around the block!

I hate to appear to defend this creep but why is firing Ward Churchill OK because what he said is offensive and removing a painting in Sweden that offends Muslims knuckling under. I do not want to see paintings that I find offensive to my Christian heritage. I would not to see a painting showing a painting depicting a couple making love while covered in verses the Psalms or the Gospel of St Luke. I think it is just as reasonable for Muslims to want offensive painting removed as it is for us to want Ward C fired.

The difference, which must be acknowledged, is the extent to which each group will go to achieve its goals. I think few if any of us would do to Ward C what a radical Muslim did to Theo van Gogh that is the issue not the desire not to have your religion defamed
Seee other Topic

Judging only by the description, I can see where somebody might see it as offensive. Threats of violence are over the top, but put Bible versus instead of Koran versus, I can kinda see the complaitant's view.

#88 Julmudgeon

ROFLMAO.

What about Pysops? Or do they use the same MO as Special Forces?

#77 Stop Hillary

Glad you posted that link. That was the first thing I thought of. When you slander Israel and Jews, the exhibit has to remain to "stir debate." When the Muslims complain, take it down or heads will roll (literally, unfortunately).

I bet these islamofascists didn't protest at the exhibition in which an arab calling herself palestinian genocide killer was shown floating triumphally on a sea of Jewish blood. Or the post Sbarro Pizza restaurant massacre exhibition recreating all the blood and guts on a 'palestinian university' (LOL) campus. Or the numerous exhibitions, all in the name of artistic freedom, which deeply insult Chrisitanity.

They give it out. Now they should take it on the chin. I'd say insulting islamogenocide is very laudable and we should be doing more of it.

How about a deal? When islamofscism stops burning Israeli and American flags, we'll stop any exhibitions of couples rooting to verses of the koran.

Wow, Sweden has more Muslims than Australia does even though their total population is less than half of ours. Any normal person would wonder why they flock in droves to countries that don't even speak English as their main language, let alone Arabic. But of course a person who knows better understands that they are not moving to these countries to fit in, but rather to take over.

Thank God the Australian government isn't this stupid to just freely open our doors to anyone who wants to come in.

94 Charles Tisse

Well, the fact that Europe is a lot more accessible (just geographically) than Australia probably has something to do with that as well.

Here's the painting in question, BTW;

[Link: img74.exs.cx...]

96 Xipe

OK, I'd want it taken down simple because it looks like crap.

#95 Kragar

They still have to fly on a long plane trip to get to Western Europe. Australia has the country with the biggest Muslim population in the world just above it. And South Asia is not far off either.

Its all to do with our immigration policies. Sure there are a hell of a lot more Muslims here now than there used to be, but not anywhere near to the same extent as what is happening in Europe.

MJ #46

That's right. Vile "art" insulting, or even advocating and/or praising violence against Jews or Christians is not only tolerated but lauded as "brilliant", "bold", and "open minded". But, offend the priviledged group (muslims) and the piece will be taken down - don't wish to offend, you know.

These people are beneath contempt.

+Photi

#96 Xipe

I thought it was this one?

Sweden's selective adaptation of freedom of speech and freedom of artistic expression will come back to bite it on the backside.

#92 transient

What about Pysops? Or do they use the same MO as Special Forces?

No.

(I didn't write it. If you like, you can put something in there about PYSOPS dropping leaflets on the snake.)

#15 Bob G.
The exhibit was spending too much time conversing about a deadly pathology that strikes down innocent people in the prime of life instead of focusing on AIDS.

Bob G., you've done it again. Pure incisive comedy gold.

They flock to Sweden because of its social welfare. Sweden is probably the most socialist government in western Europe. Its also the least nationalistic, culturally, which leaves them open to the kind of self-hatred only political correctness can fully exploit. Thus, you have the perfect storm of European nations, in a country ripe for the picking by forever power-seeking, dissembling Muslims willing to play the oppressed/distressed minority card until they can assume control (where in Muslim history have Muslims been the oppressed peoples by non-Muslims?). Where will western Europe be in 30-40 years? That's the question I keep wondering about. Is Europe Bridget Nielsen or Atilla the Hun? One way or the other, the response is going to probably be extreme, and all of it will come back to America.

Meantime, trucks are free to drive across the Mexican border unimpeded. Its only a matter time before the next 9/11. I'm predicting, actually expecting, a set of stinger missile attacks to kill or cripple the airline industry or a series of dirty bomb attacks in major cities. When they ready, expect something big. Our border is sheer madness. Border agents are now getting shot at daily (this violence has gone way up), Muslims are being caught running across -- you know the rest. The only respite I see is many citizens are finally starting to speak out; they're finally beginning to understand, like Muslims, that when you want change, you have to give it some shout.

way OT

some breaking news that apparently hasn't hit the wires yet:

i have no news source as of yet.

my sister-in-law is from nepal, and this e-mail came to me tonight from my mom in palos verdes, california:

"apparently the King has shut everything down and
(our friend) is stuck there until things return to normal.
Jay Pal (my nepali brother-in-law) called Bandana (my nepali sister-in-law) tonight, from the American Embassy, to let them know what's going on. All communications into and out of the country have been stopped (except for the American Embassy). He thinks things will be quite chaotic for a while. He was on travel and called Bandana from Bangkok yesterday.
He was able to fly into Kathmandu today (almost all flights have been suspended). The world is in such turmoil!"

i know they have been fighting the maoists for years, and i assume this is related.

anyone heard anything about this?

I remember everyone here applauding when Zvi Mazel vandalized the piece in Sweden. Would a "smart " Muslim have damaged it rather than bought it, like Mazel did :)

I'd tell them to remove that painting too. 2 people doing it with Koran verses tacked on their bodies? What a lousy piece of art!

A man and a woman in the throes of passionate love-making is the absolute last thing I associate with Islam.

#106 Lance Stein

Ah yes, the "turn off the lights" vandalizing. Scary stuff. I remember all the death threats the local jewish community sent to the museum as well.

Grow up.

I wonder if a manure covered Moe-hommed would stay up as long as the manure covered Virgin Mary did?

Liberals and their "art" (fully official SCARE quotes) are just trying to be edgy, until someone threatens the use of a dull knife.

I find "edgy cowardice" such an interesting LLL characteristic.

Maybe we should fund a psych study of that rather than the mating habits of Algerian Camel Fleas.

Seriously.

If someone who is the curator of a show removes a work of art because she has had complaints that may be for any number of reasons:

a) s/he is a spineless coward
b) s/he is looking for some media coverage
c) both of the above

What does this have to do with Sweden as a country?

#93

There is a difference between vandalizing and protesting. I would say that sending a letter and protesting is a far more civilized way of doing things than vandalizing a work of art.

111 enoughalready

Yes, I agree, sending death threats and threatening the staff is much more enlightened than turning off some lights.

/sarc

#112

Oh, you mean there were no death threats sent in the other case? I can assure you, there were large numbers of them.

#113 enoughalready

I see your point, I mean, its not like the Muslims would ever actually act on those death threats and maybe kill the artist or museum staff in cold blood on the streets as a warning to others, like the Jewish community is known for.

Whoops, I think I might have switched those around.

This is the Euro socialist attempt to portray Islam as oppression through their art.

I say it should be encouraged. It's kind of anti-intellectual, but Europe has been such for a long time now.

In the US, our artists are putting Judaism and Christianity in the gutter and celebrating cultural suicide in the name of art.

The artists these days are nothing. They woudn't know art if it bit them on the bottom.

Apparently the phrase 'getting to know someone in the Biblical sense' has no Quranic equivalent.

#117 Totally Berserk

I think "getting to know someone in the Quranic sense" means you're about to kill them

OT: Denmark Scores - Arabs Seethe, Threaten
[Link: www.washtimes.com...]

The London-based al-Quds al-Arabi blasted comments by Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, which it said were in "eager defense of Israel" when he said that Israel was surrounded by enemies who wanted to throw Israel in the sea. In its editorial, it said that Rasmussen had committed a "blatant historic and political mistake," accusing him of presenting a "fascist interpretation of Western democracy. ... It is a shameful interpretation," and demanded that he apologize to the Arabs and take back what he said. The independent Palestinian-owned daily argued that "such provocative positions that support aggression and the bloodshed of weak and defenseless people, justifying the massacres against the Palestinian, serves extremism." It said the Arabs did not seek to push Israel or the Jews in the sea, adding that Rasmussen was basing his comments on ignorance, backwardness and racism that is "full of hatred towards the Arabs and Muslims, and which is rooted in his mind and blinding him from seeing the reality." The paper described the Danish prime minister as a "danger to Denmark and its international reputation," insisting that he had put the security of his country in danger by making it a target to extremism and extremists. It said it hoped that the Danes would not elect him in the next polls in order to "bring back to the country its nice face that we and the entire world know."

Meanwhile, here is an interesting Islamic phenomena from the culturally enriched streets of London.

The Muslim Boys

"This is how gang member Winston describes "conversion". "You got to be Muslim to be in our group," he tells me. "If you not down [cool] with Muslim, we visit your home, maybe strip you naked in front of your f***ing mother, we put a gun in your mouth. We give you three days [to change your mind], then, if you not down with it, we f* * * ing blow"

(No, not that, it means they shoot you in the head...)

It's only "shifting the focus" when it's threathening. Otherwise its seen as free publicity.

A man and a woman in the throes of passionate love-making is the absolute last thing I associate with Islam.

however, a man and an unwilling boy - that's more like it

I agree that the artwork was tasteless and should never have been put up. That said, the double standards with this piece of dreck and the piece of dreck commemorating the murderess at Sbarro are really clearly shown here. You can't oppose one being shown without opposing the other - and be consistent.

Lance Stein #106 - why is it that people like you pretend to take a Jewish name? The "vandalism" of Mazel included turning the lights off above the disgusting piece of "art", not anything more.

Here’s a little bit of good news from Scandinavia, just to let you know not everybody has lost their mind up here in the frozen waste on the edge of the world.

The Danish prime minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, got the leftist halalhippies knickers in a twist when he declared his understanding the Israel didn’t live up to all UN security council resolutions, that Israel, unlike her neighbours, is not run by a remorseless dictator. That this made a difference and that we had to acknowledge that Israel is surrounded by enemies which want to throw them into the ocean, that Israel has a special (his)story. And she has to be firm/harsh in her defence.

[Link: www.bt.dk...]

On preview I see PDM already posted it. Ahh. what the heck, now I wrote it.

What did you expect? The #1 European tradition is surrender.

Slightly OT:

Today I stumbled across this "review" of Apple's new mac mini. As I was reading it (to get the full effect you really have to read the linked page) and something occurred to me: This review is just like reading Oliver Willis bloviating on politics. :¬)

#104 Reader

Thanks for posting that. I was trying to remember and couldn't. But I know from talking to the Swedes at work that it's basically true. Most of them want to move here permanently. And the biggest part of it is to get away from the taxes.

#7 RebTex

Doesn't matter. I've picked up a couple of things working with the Swedes:

1) They've got the worse case of "Not invented here." that I've ever seen, which really isn't relevant to this conversation.

2) They HATE confrontation. They will turn 90 degrees and try to go around a problem rather than face it head-on and solve it. And if the problem pops up again, they'll try another detour.

Gustavus Adolphus must be spinning in his grave...

#120 Gordon McS -- "(No, not that, it means they shoot you in the head...) "

What's to worry about? England has disarmed it's law abiding citizens and the government will protect them. In fact, the government is so sure that it will protect them that they will prosecute and imprison anyone who would have the audacity to defend themselves.

Nope, this gang is no threat. The real threat is law-abiding citizens owning their own firearms and you know it. Rest easy my friend, you are safe, your Lord Mayor Red Ken says you can bank on it.

It's touching to see some defending the moslems' objection to this piece of "art", knowing full well that they (moslems) would never lift a finger to condemn, e.g., a crucifix in a jar of urine being passed off as "art".

One of the things that will help the moslems towards their goal of cultural hegemony is that they have so many willing defenders amongst people who really should know better.

Every concession, every point yielded, is a defeat. If we don't stop losing, well ... we'll lose, won't we?

#119 PDM

Aren't the Islamists touchy when faced with the truth. And we see that pustule-faced POS from Al Quds on our tellys all too often for our own good.

And yes, the world (except Sweden, Holland etc) knows, or should know the nasty face of Islam only too well, because the nasty face is the only one that exists, and has done so for 1,400 years.

#120 Gordon McStraun

Doesn't this prove we are long overdue for a roundup of this lawless pile of shit, and that it is time we sent them out on the next Gitmo-bound banana boat?

#11 Obi-Wan:
Correct. It proably mean they don't have sex with the Koran in the same room. Both Muslims and Jews get squirrely with their Holy books around.

For example, I believe it is against Jewish law and Muslim law (they are quite similar in many cases) to read the Bible/Koran in the bathroom, for example, or when taking a dump, or when naked, etc.

Also, it is against Jewish law to do anything funky with anything having Bible passages written on them, and particularly, anything that mentions any of the names of God. I suspect that is where the Muslims got their horror of Bible passages on naked, fornicating bodies.

I know some of the ultra-Orthodox Jewish guys could help me out here, some of the West Bank and Gaza guys. You muslims, too. What are your Bible-handling, Bible-reading rules?

Christian are just dirty and don't have any self-respect anymore. [Thank you, secularizers of America. You have done your nasty job on us. Now go home.]

I actually saw this art thing at the World Culture Museum in Göteborg (a few blocks from my flat)...but didnt think to much of it. There were plenty of stranger things...like dildos nailed to a board...and clothing made of condoms...

I saw a site a while back that had various toys that were named and shaped after religious icons. I wont post the link because...yeah...just email me if you want it (doubt there will be any serious takers). I think they only rib on (no pun intended) the Buddhists, Christains, and Hindus though...but I cant check since I am on a work connection...

Oh, but when the Swedes exhibited that tasteless piece of "art" glorifying a female suicide bomber (the cute little sailboat with her picture on the sail floating on a sea of blood), the Swedes refused to remove it on the basis of the artist's "freedom of expression." It was up to the Israeli ambassador to (literally) pull the plug on that obscenity, which had the Swedes sputtering in outrage.
Maybe if Jews threatened to blow up Swedish institutions exhibiting such crap (though we would never do such a thing, because we are who we are and are better than our enemies), we'd get the same consideration and attention to our feelings that Muslims do.
Disgusting double standard, as usual.

Sweden huh?

I was kinda expecting/hoping France would be the first Western nation to fall to Islamofascism.

How cool would that be? Pierre's getting their heads chopped off at the base of the Eiffel Tower for infractions against the Shari'a.

Of course, wine would be illegal and atheists would have too die. Between America and Israel we could accept as refugees any French Jews dumb enough to remain til th end.

Just think, we could see a resurrection of the "French Resistance"...three guys, one gun, and no ammo.

I just want it to be televised...Afghanistan under the Taliban on the Seine. Oh happy day.

I'm guessing maybe they were worried about their throats being slit or museum being blown up.

Instead of following up on the threatening complains and prosecuting those resposible, they withdraw the exhibit.

I hope they are aware this doesn't negate the threats but in fact rewards them.

Dhimmis!