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Red Ken: Jewish Reporter Acted Like "Camp Guard"

Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 1:49:00 pm PST

The lunatic Mayor of London, “Red Ken” Livingstone, let his antisemitism run free on Wednesday evening: Jewish reporter acted like camp guard, says mayor.

KEN LIVINGSTONE was accused last night of having “lost the plot” after an angry confrontation with a Jewish journalist who, he said, was behaving “just like a concentration camp guard”.

The Mayor clashed with Oliver Finegold, a reporter from the London Evening Standard, on Wednesday night at a party marking the 20th anniversary of Chris Smith becoming the first openly gay MP.

His “concentration camp” remark came after being told that the reporter was Jewish, it was claimed.

It is also alleged that he told the reporter to “work for a paper that doesn’t have a record of supporting Fascism” — a reference to the pro-Hitler stance in the 1930s of the Standard’s stablemate, the Daily Mail.

The episode has raised fresh doubts about Mr Livingstone’s judgment ahead of the general election, in which Labour had hoped he would play a key role in winning back support among disillusioned voters.

A spokesman for Mr Livingstone accused the newspaper of “harassment of a predominantly lesbian and gay event”. He said: “In these circumstances it is hardly surprising that the discussion between the journalist and the Mayor escalated.”

The Mayor seems to see no disparity between his support for “a predominantly lesbian and gay event” and his support for Sheikh Yusuf al Qaradawi—who would execute gays and lesbians.

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1 noshariaincanada  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 11:50:52am

I sincerely hope Blair distances himself from the buffoons in his party.

2 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 11:51:43am
3 mommydoc  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 11:52:18am

RedMad Ken.

4 Sir Lurksalot  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 11:53:45am

I'm sure some University here would like to hire him as a professor.

5 chris_l  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 11:54:54am

OT - Lileks for FCC chairman

Sign the petition

6 Mr Pol  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 11:55:32am

Paging bigel...

7 metal man  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 11:57:43am

Is the only way for these people ever to win an argument to call the other person a name. Doh thats right that is their only argument. But to call a Jew a holocaust camp guard seems extreme.

8 Mr Pol  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 11:59:11am

#7 metal man

Did you know that Red Ken's mother was in a camp? She was a guard's German shepherd.

9 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:00:31pm

Brit LGFers: You really need to do something about this man. How the hell did he get elected, anyway?

I propose a steel-cage death match between Red Ken and Rudy Giuliani.

10 Bob G.  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:00:33pm

"I may be a simpleton of a mayor, but there's one thing that I know and that's I loathe Jews."

/apologies to Andy Partirdge

11 Megan  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:00:58pm

Judging by what we know about Red Ken, are you sure he didn't mean it as a compilment?

12 Capt. Queeg  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:01:51pm

This is the sort of thing that drives me nuts about the left: their cognitive dissonance. The likes of Babs Boxer, e.g., who are self-described feminists and alleged champions of women's rights, but find them selves opposed to the liberation of women around the globe. One is left just scratching one's head...

13 ORD neighbor  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:01:57pm

#8 Mr Pol

I think you will have to bring apologies (and treats) to most canines for comparing them so invidiously. :)

14 metal man  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:03:08pm

#8
In that case his argument was impecable as compared to what his mother taught him "woof woof bark jew woof woof bark"

15 religion of bacon  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:03:10pm

I think that Mr. Livingstone needs to be rehabilitated by being forced to watch South Park The Passion of the Jew with his eyelids propped open a la Clockwork Orange...

16 Dave Ray  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:03:31pm

Comrade Ken is in a world of his own...he's a running joke now...he should really go back to fancying newts.

What a wanker (and I mean that in the British sense).

17 Bob G.  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:05:37pm

#16

Dave Ray

Are you comparing Red Ken to Gussie Fink-Nottle?

18 Mr Pol  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:05:38pm

#13 ORD neighbor

Hey, it's not my fault Red Ken is a son of a bitch.

19 zombie  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:06:12pm

If you were an alien from outer space looking at light waves coming from the Earth with your super-powerful telescope, this is what you'd see:

You focus on Germany in the 1930s, and people paint swastikas on Jewish businesses, and confront Jews while giving Nazi salutes.

Then you focus on anywhere on Earth in 2005, and you'll see people scrawling swastikas on Jewish buildings, and giving Nazi salutes in the direction of Jews.

As an alien, you'd think that the two scenes would reflect the same attitudes. But if an Earthling came up to you and said, "No no no, you've got it all wrong. In the '30s, people were saying, 'We're Nazis, and we don't like you Jews.' But in 2005, what they're saying to the Jews is, 'You're Nazis, you Jews, and we still don't like you.' You see, there's a huge difference," what would you think?

You'd look at the Earthling quizzically, and say to your fellow alien, "This specimen seems to be intellectually dysfunctional."

20 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:06:13pm

Dave Ray,

There is more than one, the British, meaning for wanker?

21 Rufus Lee King  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:06:43pm

London's Stooge is falling down, falling down, falling down...

22 Mr Pol  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:08:58pm

#19 zombie

"This specimen seems to be intellectually dysfunctional."

A fair assessment of the average lefty.

23 Hari Seldon  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:09:13pm

Zombie...so true...How much have we changed in 50 years?

as i think about it...its alot les then we think

24 Dave Ray  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:09:16pm

I was under the impression that in the US wanker just meant idiot or fool (in Charlotte I was in the airport shop and there was a sports jersey with the word emblazoned on it...I think it was a college team)...whereas in the UK wanker is a derogatory remark accusing the person of too much "self-satisfaction"...if you see what I mean.

25 BPP  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:10:54pm

12 Capt. Queeg

This is the sort of thing that drives me nuts about the left: their cognitive dissonance. The likes of Babs Boxer, e.g., who are self-described feminists and alleged champions of women's rights, but find them selves opposed to the liberation of women around the globe. One is left just scratching one's head...

...As opposed to the perfect consistency and intellectual integrity of the right.

/sarc

26 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:12:06pm

#24:

I was under the impression that the term wanker in Britain meant something similar to a jerk-off, or an idiot or a fool?

27 Mr Pol  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:12:18pm

#19 zombie

"This specimen seems to be intellectually dysfunctional."

See #25 for an example.

28 Earl  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:13:12pm

Toronto LGFrs- you all know who Mayor David Miller's tran-Atlantic political mentor is, right?

29 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:13:44pm

Dave Ray,

I learn something new every day. I thought wanker was one too caught up in autoeroticism (akin to numbnuts).

30 metal man  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:15:08pm

#27 Mr Pol
Perfect

31 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:15:53pm

Dave Ray #24,

Not wanting to ba wanker but after rereading your post, your definition and mine could be the same.

32 quark2  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:18:50pm

@6 MrPol

*LOL

33 Trumanite  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:19:13pm

Yeah, well why weren't these two at the party?

Al-Queda Whore/Lawyer and Michael Moore, Separated at Birth?

[Link: letsbecivilized.blogspot.com...]

34 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:19:19pm
35 TalkinKamel  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:20:17pm

#25 BPP

Captain Queeg, Post #12, actually raises a very good point, i.e., why do so-called leftist "feminists", such as Barbara Boxer, and others, oppose liberating women, and frequently support Islamofacist regimes in which women are cruelly oppressed?

It's a question worth answering.

36 quark2  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:20:19pm

@8 MrPol

*LMAO! Warn us next time!

37 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:20:25pm
38 Dave Ray  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:20:52pm

As I said perhaps it was me just getting the wrong end of the stick...

The term wanker is an offensive term in the UK...(you won't here it on pre-watershed TV or in the press)...and if you called somebody it in a pub...well, they'd be waking you up in intensive care. To "wank" is to masturbate so a "wanker" is someone who masturbates...not offensive as some words but the Brits are a funny bunch.

Was I right about the sports team?

39 the_real_american  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:22:23pm

So "you" are telling me that Jews can't be assholes?

Lets just face it. Only the jounalist in question and this mayor knows why they argued. in the first place.

That some unknown person "claimed" that all this happened because of etnicity/religion just don't cut it.

40 Geepers  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:24:42pm

the_real_american (#39),

And you know any of this, how?

41 whiterabbit  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:25:22pm

Somewhere in England a village is missing their idiot...

42 dennisw  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:26:13pm

Charles: I'm so glad you posted this little gem. Of course the reporter is Jewish with a last name like Finegold. Red Ken's sliminess is coming to the fore for all to see. This awful man is the mayor of one of the world's greatest cites? What madness!

43 Right Wing Nut Job  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:26:15pm

#23 Hari Seldon

Zombie...so true...How much have we changed in 50 years?

Or in the last 10,000 years? Human nature is what it is. The words morph over millenia, but not the evil that is always trying to invade our hearts.

44 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:26:21pm

#40 Geepers

And you know any of this, how?

Maybe we finally got an assholes expert. We badly need one.

:- )))

45 Catttt  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:26:27pm

25 bpp

...As opposed to the perfect consistency and intellectual integrity of the right.

Using a sarcasm tag, I see. Does that mean that you realize this is a disingenuous, generalized attempt to put words in someone's mouth (seeing that the Boxer comment was specific)? Or do I misunderstand?

46 Mr Pol  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:26:54pm

#39 the_real_asshole

Judenhass raising its ugly head again... Fact: Red Ken and you are assholes. That does not mean you're the only ones - it just means you're both full of shit.

47 Thom  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:27:21pm

#40 Geepers

It doesn't. It is just instinctively protecting its own.

48 Megan  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:27:25pm

Waiting for Ken's criticism for pro-Islamofascist media...

Still waiting...

49 Dave the.....  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:28:56pm
Captain Queeg, Post #12, actually raises a very good point, i.e., why do so-called leftist "feminists", such as Barbara Boxer, and others, oppose liberating women, and frequently support Islamofacist regimes in which women are cruelly oppressed?


Because Bush and the Republicans are for liberating the oppressed in those countries.

I don't have the link handy, but Congressman Ryan of Wisc says that he was told privately by Dems that they would like to work with Bush on Social Security, but Democrat leaders will not allow it. They have to oppose Bush on everything.

50 LouMinatti  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:29:06pm

(OT) Petition to Support Ward Churchill

[Link: www.petitiononline.com...]

I'm not sayin' what to do.

51 Mr Pol  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:29:56pm

#47 Thom

It doesn't. It is just instinctively protecting its own.

...by farting in our general direction.

Oh G-d, why did you make more assholes than human beings?

52 Catttt  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:30:24pm

I read a verbatem (from a tape) word-by-word of the incident, and I noted that at one spot, the mayor was slurring his words. Might he have been in his cups? Not that that would excuse him. It's just that this seems incredibly stupid.

53 Smith Space Technologies  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:30:44pm

5 chris_l
OT - Lileks for FCC chairman

Before I start looking for the info on Lileks to sign the petition what would the Longwave Club of America, and ARRL have to say about this person?

As for myself I am anti Broadband Over Power Line (BPL) you will be also when you start on this link

[Link: www.arrl.org...]

54 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:30:47pm

Dave Ray,

I used to play softball against a team callled the "nads." As you can guess the crowd would always cheer "go nads." It's as close to answering your question as I can.

55 Dave the.....  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:30:59pm

#19 Zombie


Good summary.

56 Renna  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:31:38pm

If someone is being an asshole, don't you call them asshole, instead of something dealing with their person?

Asshole.

57 Dave Ray  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:32:41pm

Bob:

haha...classic

58 Catttt  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:34:16pm

Bob, I love you. You make me laugh out loud a lot.

59 Rufus Lee King  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:34:40pm

39 the real american

That some unknown person "claimed" that all this happened because of etnicity/religion just don't cut it.

It matters little who started what in the dialogue. It resulted in the leader of a world city of Nazi persecution chiding a Jew as if his conduct rose to that of a Nazi. Way beyond a personal insult. Something tells me the reporter wasn't herding civilians into gas chambers at the time.

That kind of emotional attack, in taunting disrespect of the human suffering of his own country and of the Jewish holocaust victims, and your defense of it, is symptomatic of a kind of hateful ignorance that words by me or anyone else probably will fail to break through to.

60 Model4  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:35:33pm

In order to soothe their guilt over letting the Nazis arise and slaughter Jews, today's Europeans must turn the Jews into Nazis, so that they may be slaughtered again. I mean for the first time. I mean... see this is important, you have to follow me here... it's Nazis they're getting ready to slaughter, not Jews, the Jews are just forced into the roles of Nazis to make it easier.

OK, screw it, my head hurts. Europe's just awash with anti-Semitism, especially its left (gasp!). Well, then again there is the Muslim extreme right. And both sides seem deeply and madly in love with each other. And the prospect of not only killing Jews, but making it the just and noble thing to do.

Sure, it's disgusting and wrong. But "enjoy" it while you can. Because in the next 20+ years, you'll be hard-pressed to recognize Europe.

61 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:36:11pm
62 metal man  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:36:25pm

#39 the_real_american

So as a real american I can use the N word in an argument with someone or lets say the C word (try that with your spouse) and others will just see it as part of our personal conversation. I know there are inflamatory words that I cant use. As a mayor one would think he would know that too.

63 godfrey  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:36:27pm

Damn, 60 posts into the thread, and still no bigel.

64 AG in Houston  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:37:57pm
65 Mr. E. Train  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:39:19pm

Ok, we've covered the meaning of the word WANKER

Now please explain to the class the meaning of the words:

Puffter
Pom
Bugger


Somewhere I have an entire dictionary of slang and insults. Stuff going back to the 1500's in some cases. Gotta dig that up.

66 Catttt  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:41:00pm

39

Lets just face it. Only the jounalist in question and this mayor knows why they argued. in the first place.

Ahem. Actually, no. It was taped, so it is a matter of public record. The mayor got all huffy when asked a very simple question (e.g., how was the party). Other people at the party, including the gentleman whose come-out was being celebrated, had no problems with the reporters.

67 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:41:14pm

Dave Ray,
cattt,

Thanks. Most of the lizards, well all actually, brighten my days.


godfrey,

I think bigel avoids some topics now, as do I.

68 Dave Ray  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:42:40pm

Puff: Or poofter...a homosexual

Pom: The Australian version of Limey (ie those whingeing Pommes)

Bugger: well I think that one's obvious, although it's not as offensive depending on where you are in the country.

69 TotallySirius  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:42:43pm

#50 Lou

They have a whole 79 signatories.

It is another mandate on the order of Babs Boxer's on-line petition.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha

70 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:42:58pm

Mr E. Train,


Sorry. I b**ched at Kelly earlier for doing the same thing.

71 TotallySirius  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:44:05pm

poofter is part of the name of an imaginary town in Wyoming.

Poofter's Froth,Wyoming plans ahead
-FZ

72 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:44:07pm

#50 LouMinatti

Petition to Support Ward Churchill

Thank you.
The lizards could, I repeat, could, have a look.

They are getting funny signatures...
Of course, I am a gentleman, I would never..., never...

73 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:44:52pm
74 Sean II  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:45:02pm

#39 The real American

It would cut it for you if you knew the History of this Ken character.

75 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:45:04pm

#69 Totally Syrious

Nope, they have 80 signatures, Osama Bin Laden included.

76 hepcat  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:45:37pm

another day, another public idiot.

77 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:46:21pm

Dave Ray,

"Bugger: well I think that one's obvious, although it's not as offensive depending on where you are in the country. "

...or where you are in the equation...

: /

78 Studsup  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:46:39pm

People like Red Ken have no problem associating with any cult, murderer or tyrant so long as that cult, murderer or tryant has a hope of bringing down the status quo that people like Red Ken love to hate. Somehow, these types think that having aided Islamism to topple free and largely capitalist societies, they will naturally fill the vacuum caused by Islam's success in toppling the status quo. Actually, the 5th column generally finds itself rounded up and executed by their welcomed conquerours/liberators.

I think of the Ukranians who suffered so horribly before WWII at the hands of Russia and Stalin and who helped pave the way for the German offensive and occupation. Not long after the Germans pushed the Red Army out, the Germans gradually rounded up the Ukranian 5th column that assisted them and then imprisoned or killed them.

I cannot fathom why the LLL thinks that Islamists, were they to become ascendent, would let the LLL run the show.

79 maven  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:47:55pm

The word 'alleged' is unecessary since BBC Radio London played the tape of the conversation.

Ken ranted at the reporter that he was behaving like a Nazi. The reporter replied that he was Jewish and found the assertion he was a German War Criminal to be offensive. "Ok then" said Ken "You are like a concentration camp guard who is being paid to follow orders".

80 Rufus Lee King  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:48:59pm

A quick search of the_real_american's (of #39) posts confirm he is on the other side all the way.

-The Iraqi elections are nothing to be proud of.

-Al Jazeera is superior to Fox News.

-Iraqis still living abroad show Saddam's overthrow to be no real improvement.


Totally in line with his defense of calling a Jewish reporter a prison guard, upon hearing that he is Jewish.

81 ted  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:49:11pm

60 Model...your point is excellent..but i disagree on one count...i believe Europe never had any guilt over the Final Solution, only disappointment Hitler couldnt finish...so, now, they embrace the islamofacists, morph into Eurabia and get a second chance, as you point out, to finish the job a la Red Ken.

Where the hell is Bigel anyway ?

82 quark2  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:50:21pm

@68

That is one of the terms I avoided at all cost when among my english family. *LOL

83 Dave Ray  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:50:56pm

Bob:

exactly...my mother always used to call me a a "silly little bugger" when I was younger and did something wrong...also "bugger off" is a more polite way to tell someone to F-off. I think it's a Brit thing.

84 RIP Ford  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:51:53pm

#50 LouMinatti

Looks like Beaker got in on the action too. ;)

85 TotallySirius  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:52:18pm

#75 P-L

I see they now have 81,he's gotten the support of Joseph Stalin.

Some fine character witnesses he's got there,eh?

86 quark2  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:52:51pm

@80 Rufus Lee King

The reporter should have rejoined him by saying he must also be a concentration guard, as he too follows orders.

87 TotallySirius  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:52:55pm

/pimf

82 signatories now

88 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:54:09pm

Dave Ray,

I think demographically, better than 2/3's of us can claim some Brit bloodline (better than Sitting Bull at CU). It IMO helps to explain the fondness we have for those expressions.

89 Thom  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:54:24pm

#51 Mr Pol

Let me know what He answers. I've been wondering that myself ...

90 MJ  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:57:08pm

It's getting to hard to keep up with all the antisemitism coming out of Britain nowadays.

91 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:57:23pm
92 Luigi  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:57:42pm
A spokesman for Mr Livingstone ...said “In these circumstances it is hardly surprising that the discussion between the journalist and the Mayor escalated.”


Why? Why is it hardly surprising? Because a non-liberal happened to show his face at a victim-fest? Such cheek!

93 TotallySirius  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:59:21pm

#39 t-r-a

Does it matter what they were arguing about?

The fact is that the assmunch mayor resorted to ethnic insults instead of using his brain.

Case closed,loser

94 RIP Ford  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 12:59:29pm

LOL I'm having sooo much fun with this petition. What an excellent way to end the week. Thanks. :)

95 Mr Pol  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:01:07pm

#89 Thom

Let me know what He answers. I've been wondering that myself...

The majority opinion is that there was so much shit going around...

96 blueroom127  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:01:18pm

The trolls come on, post somethng absurd and scamper away giggling hysterically at their own "genius". They really think that they're dropping bombs of irrefutable logic that leave us breathless and ashamed of being "right". they dare not stick around and be torn to shreds as that would ruin their pink fluffy little universe. If they stayed online and saw sense, they'd have to tell their LLL friends that, in fact, Islamofascists are bad and Bush stands for Freedom. Their world would collapse and they'd have to actually get real jobs instead of hanging out with moonbats at protests.

97 gomez  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:02:06pm

Lets not forget Kenny Boy wants to invite Castro to London to celebrate the 50th anniversary of his revolution.

Kan's on fire lately!

98 xbalanke  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:03:45pm

#75 Poitiers-Lepanto

They're up to 92 including at least two Eichmann's. (Beat me to it)

What a laugh, both the parodies and the serious ones.

99 metal man  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:04:38pm

#88 Bob with one O

My grandma and grandpa were straight off the boat on one side and I think that is part of why I find the "English" words so interesting (my ego was built on getting letters in the mail addresed Master Willliam" and why I was so addicted to Monty Python.

As to bugger it has many meanings but in the right context can be a real derogatory remark.

100 RIP Ford  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:05:26pm

Who signed Sean Pensky?

heard that this was where the hot, gullible college chicks were hanging out. Hello? Anyone?

LOL

101 Beagle  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:06:05pm

#25 BPP

...As opposed to the perfect consistency and intellectual integrity of the right.


I saw the "sarc", but you really need to identify the right-wing targets before dropping the ordnance. Fact is, I've tested moderate libertarian on every political spectrum test I've ever taken. Classical liberal is probably a good description for many of of the posters here. I'm very consistent in my political stands, in part because I love pointing out hypocrisy. Moreover, I'll admit when I'm wrong.

I understand why the Left wants to live in the past. Fighting against the KKK, John Birch Society, Moral Majority, and the cops in Selma circa 1965 is much easier than grappling with the complexities of modern politics. You don't want to acknowledge it, but GWB is actually a moderate in words and deeds. Bush passed the largest entitlement in decades, is lax on border control, overfunded public education, hasn't pushed his social agenda, only became a hawk after 9/11, and is far less overtly religious than most of our past presidents.

However, there is a noticeable drift to the far Left in the Democratic Party. Clinton's wing has been dethroned, leaving Boxer, Kerry, Kennedy, and Dean in charge. This is why Democrats are losing offices faster than mosques crank out jihadis. Trying to repackage socialism using different words is not going to solve the problem. We've seen it too many times.

102 RC neo-Jew  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:07:22pm

Ken Livingstone enjoying himself at another party.

The London mayor, Ken Livingstone, today denied being drunk at a party last month where a man fell following a scuffle and received minor injuries...

...Asked if he could remember what happened at the party, he said: "That's something I will deal with when I see the police, if they are going to investigate it."

103 religion of bacon  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:07:38pm

#100 Rip Ford

It definitely wasn't me. Nope. And I didn't do any of the others. No way.

104 Cognosus  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:08:29pm

Re: the Petition

Hot, gullible college chick: "Hiya, I'd love to get together, but I belong to the Raelian Honorary Priest"

LOL

105 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:09:25pm

metalman,

Indeed. They wanted something better. Sounds very familiar.

106 Dov  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:09:43pm

50 Even Ward Cleaver signed it 2 ahead of me LOL. Just reading the signatures was ridiculous

107 Gabba Gabba Hey  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:10:23pm

28 Earl

David Miller is a tosser. Just the thought of his smug mug--ARRGH! That guy deserves a dick punch.

108 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:12:04pm

gabba gabba hey,

ouch!

109 LouMinatti  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:12:27pm

#72 Poitiers-Lepanto, I agree. We shouldn't recommend that LGF readers visit this petition in support of Ward Churchill:

[Link: www.petitiononline.com...]

Nor am I recommending that LGF sign the petition, leaving snarky, sarcastic comments along the lines of "Cigar Store Indian" and "Ward, I'm worried about your beaver."

Why, that would be sooo wrong.

110 the_flying_pig  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:12:31pm

Talk about the most confused and very fucked up city mayor, that Ken Livingstone.

I nominate Ken Livingstone for the Worst Mayor of the Year!

Anyone second?

111 Earl  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:12:48pm

Stan Hemry- No thought can be imprisoned.

Hey, Stan- go with the groove, man. Just open your fool mouth and this bilge will just spew out. No worries about imprisonemnt here, nosirreee!

Man, this is just getting too Jonathan Livingstone Seagull to be believed...

(Monitoring) Chutch's petition has gotta be the FNDT.

112 RIP Ford  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:13:56pm

Excuse me while I go set up some yahoo email accounts.

113 Globular Cluster  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:14:35pm

England is only one step away from its own Dreyfus affair.

114 Rufus Lee King  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:15:12pm

102 RC neo-Jew

Sounds like Ken Livingstoned is issuing a cry for help, right before his upcoming election.

How do you spell relief? S-H-I-T-C-A-N-N-E-D.

115 Beagle  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:15:15pm

On topic:

Everyone and everything is reminiscent of the Nazis and Hitler, except the anti-Semitic socialists forming a Greater Europe. Odd. Diminishing the holocaust does not bode well for the future of our planet.

116 Thom  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:16:51pm

#112 RIP Ford

Just invent email addresses! It's fun!

117 Luigi  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:18:02pm

WND takes on my pet peeve -- MULTICULTURAL MADNESS

Multiculturalism – the reigning philosophy of American culture, where Satanists and witches are equal to Christians and Jews, where a rat is equal to a boy, where ruthless, repressive, backward cultures are equal to Western Civilization – is explored as never before in the groundbreaking February edition of WorldNetDaily's monthly Whistleblower magazine.


Diversity is apartheid.

118 religion of bacon  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:18:14pm

Anyone else having problems adding their signature to the petition more than... errr... a few times?

I tried clearing browser cache and cookies, but I'm still getting an error "Your petition does not appear to have been submitted from petitiononline..."

"Damn this fixed IP address! Damn it to hell!"

/Mr. Garrison voice

119 BPP  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:19:31pm

35 TalkinKamel

Captain Queeg, Post #12, actually raises a very good point, i.e., why do so-called leftist "feminists", such as Barbara Boxer, and others, oppose liberating women, and frequently support Islamofacist regimes in which women are cruelly oppressed?

No it is not a "good point". Feminists like Sen. Boxer do not "oppose liberating women". They oppose the use of US military force to overthrow foreign governments and it does not matter to them if that overthrow has the beneficial side effect of liberating women. Similarly, they do not "support Islamofascist regimes". They oppose US intervention to overthrow them. Opposing US intervention does not equal support for the enemy.

But nice try with the rhetorical sleight of hand.

As you well know, if the issue were JUST liberating women, then Iraq surely wouldn't have been the highest priority. And the Bush Administration would never have gone to war to just liberate women.

A better question is why feminists haven't made the plight of women in the Muslim world more of a priority overall. Feminism started to lose influence when it became primarily concerned with the complaints of middle class white women, most of whom lead lives of freedom and opportunity totally unrecognizable to 99% of the world's women. The cruel oppression of Muslim women is the perfect vehicle for those who care about women overall to assert their relevance.

120 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:19:56pm
The trolls come on, post somethng absurd and scamper away giggling hysterically at their own "genius". They really think that they're dropping bombs of irrefutable logic that leave us breathless and ashamed of being "right". they dare not stick around and be torn to shreds as that would ruin their pink fluffy little universe. If they stayed online and saw sense, they'd have to tell their LLL friends that, in fact, Islamofascists are bad and Bush stands for Freedom. Their world would collapse and they'd have to actually get real jobs instead of hanging out with moonbats at protests.

like seagulls, come across the boat, drop a load of shit, and fly off screaming like howard dean.

121 Thom  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:20:05pm

Alright, who's cracking wise as "Golden Shower Association of Anti-America"? LOL.

122 TotallySirius  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:22:27pm

Komrads, that petition is going down the pisser.

-J.Stalin

123 RC neo-Jew  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:22:43pm

Ken Livingstone is very, very fond of newts. (Scroll down to read Newtwatch by Ken Livingstone).

Among our quaint English expressions is one for someone who is drunk - "p*ssed as a newt". Coincidence?

124 DP111  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:23:23pm

OT but an interesting article by Horsefeathers

THE HERBERT LEHMAN PROFESSOR OF GOV'T AT COLUMBIA UNIV, EXPLAINS 9-11. GUESS WHO'S TO BLAME.

[Link: www.doctor-horsefeathers.com...]

What is going on in the world? Red Ken was always a bit of nut case. The years have made him even more of a nut job. But what worries me is the increasing dementia in the professoriat, particularly in ME and "liberal" arts faculties of major universities in America and Britain.

125 RebTex  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:23:31pm

BPP
It's odd that you mention militant feminist!
I always viewed them as a challenge!

126 Havoc  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:23:58pm

#113 Globular Cluster

Dang ! you learn the darndest things on LGF. The Dreyfus Affair.

The Fwench ... impetus and motivation for Herzl's book.

127 Earl  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:24:40pm

Man, Chutch has influence- he's got H.R. Pufnstuf's support.

[Link: www.70slivekidvid.com...]

128 religion of bacon  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:24:50pm

ok, whoever's getting obscene on the petition, I hope you're not an LGF'er, that's a bit overboard IMHO.

And whoever did "June Cleaver," you owe me a beer for throwing you an easy one.

129 Mr Pol  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:24:55pm

#119 BPP

More alarums and excursions...

130 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:25:53pm
131 Dov  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:26:16pm

110

I second the motion, all in favor say Oy

132 RIP Ford  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:26:31pm

#116 Thom

Just make them up? Sweet!

133 Hari Seldon  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:27:01pm

43 Right Wing Nut Job

to true...oh well..

134 PDM  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:27:18pm

#121 Thom,

LOL

135 feedupdem  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:27:27pm

Last New Year’s Eve, I was at a small dinner party where the subject of Red Ken came up. A visiting scientist from the UK was in attendance and boasted of having a warm place in his heart for this mad piece of work. I asked him what he found so admirable about this individual? – he proposes to for “gay rights” yet buddies up to people who believe gays should thrown from the nearest minnerette, he claims to be pro woman yet defends an ideology that considers them nothing but chattel. That the only thing he seems to be consistant in is his blatent jew hatred which explains his penchant for rimming up islamofascists and defending their sensitive natures against any type of media scruteny. This guy said that he admired Livingston and supports him to this day because he subsidized the underground service for London residents back when he was a student – and because of this it only cost him 10p to take the tube across London to White Hart Lane to see Spurs play. It pained me to see how cheeply some people can be bought. Then again, perhaps this was just the icing on the cake for him.

136 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:28:13pm

Oy!

137 blueroom127  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:29:23pm

BPP

"Foreign governments" is perhaps a too nice way of paying respect to a luntaic dictatorship with state sanctioned rape and murder of all dissent. But nice try. The Russians who liberated the Jews in aushwitz were not fighting for the Jews but that does not in any way diminish the benefit to the Jews.

And yes, opposing intervention is complicity thus supporting the enemy. Perhaps if you were being beaten up for your money you'd oppose someone interfering forcefully. You'd rather have a group of bystanders discuss your plight while doing nothing?

138 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:29:36pm

oy

139 mommydoc  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:29:42pm

Progress.

It's a start.

140 Thom  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:30:00pm

#128 religion of bacon

Well, yeah, but I did fix the quote for ya. :)

#132 RIP Ford

Unfortunately I have a fixed IP address so fun time is over. :(

141 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:30:15pm

TROLLY

They oppose the use of US military force to overthrow foreign governments

SHAME ON YOU MARXIST FASCISTS !
With that sentence you have offended the Great Generation which

OVERTHREW

adolf hitler

SHAME ON YOU

142 LSD  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:32:47pm

OT: CAIR & The Saudi Hate Connection

On January 28, 2005, the Freedom Houses’ Center for Religious Freedom issued a report that is of concern to all Americans who are rightfully alarmed over the influence of Saudi Arabian sponsored hate literature so prevalent in American mosques today.

The Dallas Morning News carried an interesting article on the Freedom House report.

Needless to say, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), which has received funding over the years with donations from Saudi individuals and organizations, had their spokesman, Ibrahim Hooper, ready with an explanation excusing this hate speech:

"The majority of the stuff they picked is in Arabic, a language that most people in mosques don't read, and I think we can rely on the common sense and good judgment of the American Muslim community that, if they are reading hate-filled rhetoric, they would remove it."

Really?

How does Dougie "Ibrahim" Hooper know the language "most people" in mosques read? There are many Arab speakers who use mosques in the U.S. - is it Doug's position these people are illiterate? Are we to understand CAIR would have no problem with a Christian church, built with funds provided by a foreign government with a proven record of funding, supporting, or justifying terrorism, providing its worshippers with written material that called for killing Muslims as long as it was printed in Spanish?

Would CAIR be silent to this?

Somehow, we don’t think so.

Instead, we think you would see Doug Hooper on television, complaining about the "intimidation" of poor Muslims by "racist" Christians, and speaking in fevered terms about their fear and intimidation and "Islamophobia."

The religious leader (Iman) of the Richardson, Texas mosque in the column admitted that some Saudi-supplied material does end up in his mosque, but defended his actions this way: (Imam Kavakci)

"I am not a police chief. I am not a district attorney. I am a religious guy... The Saudi approach is a problem, it’s a problem for me, here.”

Sure, it is a real problem for him. But not so much of a problem that he took this Saudi garbage off his shelves.

So…the religious leader of a house of worship fails to defend God’s house from hate and CAIR gives him a pass?

To ensure we are perfectly clear regarding our opinion on this point: The Freedom House report provides evidence that mosques in our country are run by people who are either willing dupes of Wahabi hate or complicit in this hate - and CAIR, once again, rises to the defense of hate.

When will we hold CAIR, and those who hate us, to the same standards as we hold the rest of civilized society?

Anti-CAIR

143 TotallySirius  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:33:52pm

Yu-mei Kissit

LOL

144 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:34:24pm

On the petition:

for some reason I can have multiple personalities and I don't get any problem.
Of course you need to invent a new email address every time.

145 RIP Ford  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:35:43pm

Man, I can't get mine to go through.

146 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:35:46pm

#119 BPP or whatever:

Fuck you very much.

Everybody:

Good night.

147 mommydoc  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:35:50pm

LSD (#140)

Great link.

When will we hold CAIR, and those who hate us, to the same standards as we hold the rest of civilized society?

When will we hold CAIR, and those who hate us, to the same standards that they insist we hold ourselves to?

148 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:36:33pm

i love trolls,
you can
roast them,
bake them,
sauate,
fry,
boil,
cut off heads and stuff.

serve with
mustard,
ketchup
cheese,
salt and pepper,

man i gotta go grab a subway meat ball.

149 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:36:38pm

#143:

Any relation to Yu Mei Sukkit?

150 PDM  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:36:53pm

#145 RIP Ford,

It seems to work again after closing the browser (so I've heard).

151 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:37:20pm
152 RIP Ford  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:38:22pm

Ah, no cuss words. Darn it.

153 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:39:03pm
154 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:39:13pm

Bigel,

" Peter Jewkiller Jennings, "

?

155 quark2  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:39:45pm

@109 LouMinatti


ROTFLMAO!

156 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:39:50pm

#150 PDM

so I've heard

That must be the truth, because it is the opening line of many Buddhist Sutras.

/No, trolls,

closing the browser


is NOT the opening line of Buddhist Sutras,
"So I have heard" is.

157 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:41:13pm

slice and dice,
serve with rice,

#41 generals troll chicken,

#52 hot troll soup,

#45 troll strips

158 Mr Pol  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:41:44pm

#156 Poitiers-Lepanto

You have to admit

closing the browser

would make a better opening line...

159 Gabba Gabba Hey  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:42:39pm

110 the_flying_pig

Oy and a dick punch for him too.

160 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:42:56pm

you can eat it,

but taste like shit

161 CCR  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:42:57pm

Why do gays vote for people who support their right to marry but not to live rather than people who support their right to live but not to marry.

162 TotallySirius  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:43:22pm

#119 bpp

"Opposing US intervention does not equal support for the enemy."

Bzzzt

Wrong again

Opposing the US DOES equal support for the enemies of the US.

163 metal man  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:45:48pm

Maybe on topic?

I think that one of the reasons europe has such problems with Jews and allowing itself to become Eurabia is that those that dissagreed with Jew hating and Dimmi thoughts left because of persicution in europe. Then after WWI there was anther wave of these sane people. Now all thats left are the haters and the dimmis (who go along to get along).

164 Dave Ray  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:46:32pm

"So, how exactly are Red Ken's views on Jews different from the British mainstream?"

Massively...hence the the British mainstream going all out on this story. Red Ken lives on the planet Red Ken...

165 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:49:15pm

#158 Mr Pol

LOL !

"On the Peak of the Vulture the Sacred Community was gathered, and they were surfing the Net..."

/I will be reborn an LLL for this... I hope not.

166 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:49:25pm

metalman,

That would indicate a level of logic (on the part of Euros) equaled only by academia here.

167 Paco from Sefarad  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:51:31pm

Well, I'm glad Charles finally decided to post about this. I've been trying to raise some interest in it for a few days now.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

&

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

168 Sarah D.  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 1:57:04pm

OT

Cruel law splits families

Canada can get away with banning handicaps, and we can't profile muslim men? This is crazy.

169 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:03:23pm

Seems "Chutch" has discovered the ctrl c.

170 Jheka  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:04:24pm

#166 Bob with one O:

Nothing new under the sun.

Just par for bigel.

171 metal man  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:05:48pm

#166 Bob with one O
Well I take it that I'm wrong then.

I just like things to make sense and europe dosen't make any. But I think maybe it is your point that the US didn't make any sense in the 90s as far as protecting jews and keeping us from dimmimitude.

172 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:07:50pm

Jheka,

Oh. I aleays saw Jennings as a James Bond wannanbe but...ah...Jewkiller threw me.

173 Spiritualized  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:07:52pm
174 mommydoc  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:13:55pm

Sarah D: It's even worse. Canada won't allow family disabled family members of citizens to emigrate, but welcomes with open arms moslem terrorists. There's another family whose name escapes me right now.

BTW, did you see my link above (that no one commented on)? [stamps little foot petulantly] Apparently that whore Rabinowitz at Hamilton was just forced to resign. It's a start.

175 metal man  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:14:34pm

I may be paranoid but am I considered (Metal Man) a troll?

176 Zack  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:16:06pm

Red Ken is a genocide fetishist.

Moonbat references to Nazis and Hitler result from projecting their pro-genocide (rationalized as "anti-war") sentiments on to their adversaries. "Anti-war" rallies for genocide exhibit the classic denial/projection pattern. The U.S. and Israel are favored projection targets whenever they take action against the perpetrators of genocide. Jihadis, on the other hand, provide moonbats with a vicarious erotic thrill obtained from hearing and reading about episodes of mass murder.

Moonbats outwardly deny their genocide fetish, but reveal an inner lust for it by going absolutely ape whenever there is effective action to prevent further genocidal episodes. Thus the extreme animus for Israel and the U.S.

177 Spiritualized  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:16:22pm

This arsehole has also signed a mock Israeli "apartheid" wall--it's in London somewhere--as if we needed any more evidence about which side he's on.

City Hall peace function calls for sanctions on Israel

Sanctions against Israel are necessary to inject meaningful impetus into the Middle East peace process, according to a new briefing being launched at the Mayor of London's Peace for Palestine reception by campaigns group War on Want.

You can give "war on want" a piece of your mind here:

mailroom@waronwant.org

178 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:16:57pm
179 PDM  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:18:28pm
he dated Hanan Ashrawi.

and survived!

180 Jheka  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:18:46pm

#172 Bob with one O:

Oh. I aleays saw Jennings as a James Bond wannanbe but...ah...Jewkiller threw me.

As it would any sane person. Personally, I prefer to reserve terms like "Jewkiller" to people who, you know, actually kill Jews.

181 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:18:57pm
182 mommydoc  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:19:10pm

PDM: Define survived.

183 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:20:43pm
184 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:21:34pm

metalman,

No, I'm agreeing a bit with you. Euros have been afforded the opportunity to sit back and observe the world because we've protected them. Go to USS Clueless and check out his reading room. Steven DenBeste has some really terrific essays there that will explain my point far better than I.

Academia here, aside from post communistic influences heldover from the 40's & 50's, has lived in an ivory tower protected by the very troops and ideals they've come to hate. Be it from recognition of their own impotence or whatever drives a child to deride their parents, I don't know. As Nicholson said in "A Few Good Men" - "you can't handle the truth." Academia that is, not you, metalman.

185 Jheka  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:21:44pm

#178 bigel:

I'm a moron for linking directly and with scant comment to your posts? Interesting.

And exactly which Jews did Jennings kill?

At least it's good to see you admitting that you were acting like a moron previously when you stated that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are my heroes. Then again, what harm in admitting the obvious?

186 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:23:50pm
187 PDM  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:24:02pm

#182 mommydoc,

Well, I only meant that he appears to be alive (mostly). :)

188 Earl  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:24:40pm

#174 mommydoc

Ahhh... la belle famille Khadr.

As evil, Jew-hating, West-hating, women-hating, welfare-ingesting, spawn-generating a batch of islamists as ever drew breath. (Fortunately, two of them are no longer drawing breath- it's a good start.)

But, because of the protections afforded by s. 7 of Canada's Citizenship Act, there is NO WAY that Canada can get rid of these evil creatures. And, to add insult to injury, the drafting of the Canada Health Act means that the littlest viper, crippled while advancing jihad in Afghanistan, is entitled to unlimited state-underwritten medical care.

Here's an idea. Why don't you move to Canada, write the Ontario boards, take Khadr Junior on as a patient, abrogate your Hyppocratic oath for five minutes- and sever his carotid artery.

189 Bob with one O  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:25:32pm

bigel,
jheka,

My bad, I've violated my rule. Good night all.

190 Q  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:25:45pm

I, for one, have NO IDEA who are #141 and 142 are. Not me, no siree.

191 Jheka  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:26:44pm

#186 bigel:

I bet the next time I attack Al-Jazeera, you'll rush to their defense too.

that would all depend on what you said about them. Not that I intend to make your head hurt by attacking you with nuance or anything.

By the way, you got a link to Jennings encouraging anyone, ever to kill Jews (or anyone, for that matter)? I'm sure we'd all like to see it.

192 mommydoc  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:29:54pm

PDM: I think she sucked out his brain. At least the morality center. Oh, wait, he didn't have one to begin with!

Earl: Thank you. Exactly the family I was thinking of. Wish I could do it. But, of course, they being good muslims and all, would never go to me, a female doctor.

Plus, I'm a gynecologist. Where's the carotid artery again? Sounds familiar...

193 Colt  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:31:30pm

FWIW, Livingstone used to work for the Evening Standard.

194 Dave Ray  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:34:55pm

"All I see "going all out" on this story is the Telegraph"

Bigel, your knowledge of the British media is about as in-depth as your definition of a "jew killer" then...

The Telegraph, The Times (which Charles linked to), This Is London (which I linked to in the thread before), The Evening Standard, The Mirror and The Sun have all carried the story...and I'm sure BBC London did as well (although as I'm based in South Wales...all I've had today is the Prince of Wales and Camilla rubbish)...along with many other local and nationals...add to that most of the UK conservative blogs I've visited have mentioned it...

Just admit it...your blinded by your own argument...you're just like Red Ken, just without the Marxist beliefs and an appreciation for newts.

195 Colt  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:36:25pm

Here's the transcript.

My favourite part:

Mr Livingstone: Arr right, well you might be [Jewish], but actually you are just like a concentration camp guard, you are just doing it because you are paid to, aren't you?
Finegold: Great, I have you on record for that. So, how was tonight?
196 TotallySirius  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:38:35pm

Check out #148

[Link: www.petitiononline.com...]

;-)

197 SoCalJustice  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:42:00pm

(#195) Colt

Mr Livingstone: It's nothing to do with you because your paper is a load of scumbags and reactionary bigots.

This from the guy who wrote had his staff write a "dossier" defending and supporting Yusuf al-Qaradawi.

Absolutely amazing. How he utters the phrase "reactionary bigot" without being struck by lightning on the spot is something.

198 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:42:05pm

Peter jennings has never killed any Jews, however the high school drop out from the Great White North has had sex with Hanan Ashwari.

That isn't a joke.


Maybe someone will link a picture of Ashwari. Would it be reasonable to speculate then that Jennings has strong homosexual tendencies but can't admit it to himself?

199 PDM  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:44:17pm

#192 mommydoc,

I think she sucked out his brain.

I think so too, but I don't want to comment on what goes on privately between consenting adults.

200 Colt  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:45:30pm

#197 SoCalJustice

The Qaradawi thing is bad enough. But Ken Livingstone used to write for the Evening Standard...

201 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:48:07pm
202 Earl  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:48:09pm

Thats Dr. Ashrawi to you, Ed.


[Link: www.sojo.net...]

I would rather be an onanist for a century than consummate anything with this swamp creature.

203 SoCalJustice  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:48:53pm

A communist food critic?

The thought of him getting all that free food on the backs of the fascist, reactionary bigots who work for and read the Standard just doesn't seem proper.

I'm sure he sleeps fine at night though.

204 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:49:24pm
205 RIP Ford  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:49:41pm

#196 TotallySirius

I'm now unable to view the signatures, is it still working for you?

206 Dave Ray  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:54:58pm

Bigel:

Marxism doesn't define Red Ken, ignorance and stupidity. From the dark old days of the GLC to the modern day he's been a prat. Hence the similarities.

"Oh, and while all those outlets may have covered the story, you can bet the BBC cast Red Ken as the victim and the evil Jooo reporter as the villain. "

Haven't even bothered looking at the Beeb, they're probably obsessed by the Charlie & Camilla crap.

207 Paco from Sefarad  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 2:59:48pm
208 SoCalJustice  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 3:05:12pm

Maybe Ken was just trying to say that this reporter guy bore a striking resemblance to Prince Harry...

209 Dave Ray  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 3:06:12pm

Paco:

Thank you...

Nice to see everyone is covering the story...contrary to claims made by our British media expert Bigel...and they're not blaming the journo either unlike said expert suggested...

210 Hila  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 3:13:20pm

#113 Globular Cluster

England is only one step away from its own Dreyfus affair.

Apparently England is not better than Frogistan. It's very disappointing and yet not surprising in the least.

211 Curious  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 3:16:38pm

Red Ken is a wanker.

(Not an original thought, I know, but the truth.)

212 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 3:17:25pm
213 Paco from Sefarad  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 3:28:00pm

#209 Dave Ray

Paco:

Thank you...

Nice to see everyone is covering the story...

Albeit 2 days late. Credit where its due; Al-Grauniad had it first.

#212 bigel

Paco from Sefarad

I know 0215 is an early bedtime for you, but most people on the planet are soundly asleep at that hour...

Why do you keep telling me to go to bed? As we get older our body needs less sleep you know ;-P

Shabbat Shalom!

214 MJ  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 3:35:58pm

Peter Jennings is, in fact, a long-time Jew-hater. Read any of the books released from the 1980's on which discuss media bias aginst Israel for information concerning Jennings. For example, Ze'ev Chafets "Double Vison" would be one such source as would " The Media's Coverage of the Arab-Israeli Conflict." by Karetzky and Frankel. Might also check check
camera.org which has a number of essays on Jennings and ABC News. For example:


July 1, 2002 by Andrea Levin

Jennings' World


The saga of another Jennings error in reporting on Israel, followed by the network’s outlandish rationalizations and its eventual, slippery correction, captures exactly the ethos of a media outlet that barely pretends to disguise its advocacy of the Palestinian cause.

ABC’s coverage is marred on nearly a daily basis by distortion, innuendo, error or omission of essential information. Even a brutal terrorist attack on Israelis such as the March 31 murder of innocent families at a Haifa restaurant prompted only perfunctory coverage before focusing on the distress of Palestinians and the activities of so-called "human rights activists" in Ramallah. The "activists" were actually pro-Palestinian agitators from Europe with little interest in the "human rights" of other Arabs or of murdered Israelis.

Palestinian violence is chronically downplayed by ABC. When a uniformed Palestinian militia member murdered two TIPH observers (Temporary International Presence in Hebron), ABC reported on March 26 that “Israelis and Palestinians are blaming each other for the first killing of an observer since the force was created eight years ago.”

Yet there was no doubt about the killer. One of the three observers, a Turkish national, survived the attack and immediately stated in an interview that his colleagues had been killed by a Palestinian firing on their vehicle. But no clarification by ABC followed on this story.

Protests to ABC about such chronic bias yield little redress. Only in instances of unambiguous factual error and intense public pressure will the network set the record straight, at least partly.

Peter Jennings’ erroneous March 20 report on a terrorist attack on a bus traveling from Tel Aviv to Nazareth is notable not just for the wrong information conveyed but for what followed.

In that broadcast, he stated that "seven people died, most of them Israeli Arabs." But none of the dead were Arabs; all were Jews. Most were young soldiers. One was a 75-year-old Israeli from Ethiopia, Mogus Mahento, who was on his way to pay a visit to the widow of a friend killed in an earlier terrorist attack.

CAMERA contacted the network on March 25 with a brief letter stating that ABC had aired “a mistake” and urged a correction.

After a month with no reply regarding the erroneous report, the network was again contacted and urged to correct the error. Finally, on May 9 an ABC Vice President replied:

As we have communicated to you previously, we believe that our extensive coverage of the current Middle East crisis has been balanced and fair. While we understand that your organization has strong opinions about the conflict, and, as such would almost certainly report these stories differently, we have a different mission and we continue to stand by our editorial selections.


The official then addressed the false report on the terrorist attack:

see the web-site for rest of article:
[Link: camera.org...]

215 BPP  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 3:54:40pm

162 TotallySirius

Opposing the US DOES equal support for the enemies of the US.

TotallySirius? I don't think so. TotallyFoolish is more like it.

So let me get this straight. Any time the US government engages a foreign government hostile to us, and someone says the policy is misguided, they're actually supporting our enemies?

So Quakers and Amish and others who oppose military activity as a matter of religious principle are actually on the side of our enemies?

So nationalist/isolationist types like Joe Kennedy Sr. or these days Pat Buchanan - they're actually rooting for our enemies to defeat us?

So Tom DeLay and the majority of Republicans who opposed the US intervention in Kosovo in 1999, they were actually on the side of Slobodan Milosevic?

216 SoCalJustice  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 3:58:34pm

(#215) BPP

I think Pat Buchanan is rooting for the insurgents in Iraq, yes.

It gives him more material to slam the dreaded "neo-cons."

217 MJ  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 4:13:51pm

#216

Buchanan doesn't really need any more material to slam the "Neo-Cons." He always has Henry Ford's Independent as well the the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

218 Morgan  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 4:41:52pm

Leftists, Muslims and Nazis are forming stranger and stranger alliances. Here is a petition to free Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel who is being held in Canada on a German arrest warrant for engaging in neo-Nazi activities. Who is behing the peition?

"The Our Call for the Release of Ernst Zündel Petition to The Canadian Envoy to the United Nations was created by and written by Dr.Ibrahim Alloush, Dr.Muhammed Abu Nasr, John Paul Cupp, Ziad Shaker elJishi, and Salih Manasra (anti_imperialist_solidarity@yahoo.com). "

[Link: www.petitiononline.com...]

219 hutchrun  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 5:09:54pm

My Sikh relatives in London call Ken Livinstone `musulman dha batcha`- lit: scion of muslims. They despise him.

220 Smith Space Technologies  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 5:35:40pm

[Link: dirwww.colorado.edu...]

Churchill, Ward L,
Faculty Office: 303-492-8852
339 UCB, Ethnic Studies
Ward.Churchill@Colorado.EDU

Hmmm Everything's a dollar Shop phone card COST: $1.00 + tax

OH MY (running off to the outhouse to drop some Professor Churchill's)!

221 TotallySirius  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 5:41:40pm

#215 bpp

"TotallySirius? I don't think so. TotallyFoolish is more like it."

How mature,go right for the personal attack and even that pitiful attempt shows your ignorance.

Sirius is a star aka "The Dog Star",the word you aimlessly sought is spelled S E R I O U S.

After that violation of the rules of political debate,I should disregard any further ranting from you but will respond to the remainder of your misguided post anyway.

YES

222 EE  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 6:34:38pm

"Red Ken" Livingstone seems to be so thoroughly imbued with Holocaust inversion, that it is a reflex action. One of the people he is sparring with turns out to be Jewish; so he immediately Nazifies him. This Holocaust inversion reflex is to my mind a form of anti-Semitism.



"Britain

February 11, 2005

Jewish reporter acted like camp guard, says mayor
By Tom Baldwin

KEN LIVINGSTONE was accused last night of having “lost the plot” after an angry confrontation with a Jewish journalist who, he said, was behaving “just like a concentration camp guard”.

The Mayor clashed with Oliver Finegold, a reporter from the London Evening Standard, on Wednesday night at a party marking the 20th anniversary of Chris Smith becoming the first openly gay MP.

His “concentration camp” remark came after being told that the reporter was Jewish, it was claimed. "

See that? The thing that precipitated this Nazification ad hominem was learning that the reporter was Jewish. That's a Holocaust Inversion Reflex. Holocaust inversion is a form of anti-semitism that is prevalent in the European Left.

223 transferthem  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 6:37:24pm

As an object fo livingstone's antisemitism, I would rather like to spit in his face, punch him on the nose, kick him in the goolies and dump him in gaza city wearing a Star of David.

224 Baldy  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 6:48:44pm

Disgusting. Also needlessly brings up the gay & lesbian thing. No excuse for this nimwit.

225 Londoner  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 7:00:10pm

NO paper has attacked our Socialist mayor more than The Standard.

Ann Coulter talks about this at legnth, the Left just can't handle critisism.

We on the Right are used to it, after all the Left runs most media and practically all electronic media in the UK. We shrug and move on.

The Left becomes hysterical when confronted with those who dare to doubt. I've seen it myself, I'm sure many of you have also.

Livingstone wants to build a 'new Socialist London'. He's has more press officers than the Prime Minister.

That's about all you need to know.

226 Beagle  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 7:01:00pm

#119 BPP

A better question is why feminists haven't made the plight of women in the Muslim world more of a priority overall.


By ignoring my e-mails.

227 Nannette  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 7:08:32pm

#222 EE

The whole incident was recorded on tape and shown on last night's news!

Red Ken is a known antisemite and supporter of Islamic Jihadists...

He is also a signatory to the Cairo Declaration calling for a one state solution to the Israel/Palestinian conflict... a conference that was organised by pro-terror, antisemite George Galloway...

Some good links:

[Link: www.melaniephillips.com...]

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

228 Nannette  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 7:27:15pm

#225 Londoner

Red Ken was responsible for the censorship of the Evening Standard and Daily Mail messageboards, when he logged any criticism of Islam or Islamist terror, took legal action, took them to the CRE and completely ignored antisemitic comments, where a Jewish poster was told they bathed in the blood of dead Palestinian babies...

229 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 9:00:23pm

#228 Nannette

I was in London when the GLC was closed down, and there was still only a Lord Mayor for the City...I know more of Red Ken than I would like. That he is still in office, and that he is the first elected mayor, to my recollection, is something I cannot understand. His Jew hate is so well known.

When is the next election? I have a sinking feeeling that he will be re-elected. Isn't he the one that got the congestion tax put in place?

Shabbat shalom! I have to go to sleep before my head falls onto the keyboard.

BTW, any reaction from the Government to his evil words? After reading about the level of Jew hate reaching 1930's proportion, I could cry.

230 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 9:11:23pm

As I say g'nite, I will leave you with the CV of Red Ken, from al- Independent, a Jew and Israel-hating alleged newspaper...it does have a lot of actually accurate info in this article:Multicultural capital turns on Livingstone over death-camp slur He is a piece of work. I hope that this latest slur will finish his political career.

231 Da Lai Lager  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 10:16:41pm

Mr. Livingstone, another insignificant little Jew hating worm I presume.

232 RC neo-Jew  Fri, Feb 11, 2005 10:54:21pm

Bigel

Did you mention Channel 4 news?

Here you are then!

Livingstone in Jewish 'slur'

They do put 'slur' in quotes, though.

A frequent, outspoken critic of Israeli policy, Livingstone has denied in the past that he is anti-Semitic.

Just like Channel 4 news.

233 Dave Ray  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 1:09:00am

RC Neo-Jew:

Ok so that's every media outlet...apart for the Tetbury Gazette that's covered the story...seems our British media expert took his eye off the ball.

234 leo (dissident view from Berlin)  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 1:54:46am

I've yet to see an account of any actual homophobia displayed by Mr. Finegold to understand why it's news that this happened at a gay prominents party. It appears to me that it's only news because Mr. Livingstone is not really out of the closet:

"Of all the mayor's many events and receptions, the Evening Standard chose to 'door-step' the people attending an event with a large number of lesbian and gay attendees, thrusting a camera into their faces as they left," Mr Livingstone's spokesman said.

Yeah, suck my camera! This is more pathetic than James McGreevey. Ken Livingstone was not hounded by the paparazzi like once Lady Diana, and that even though he has the same kind of intimate relations with leading Saudi thugs (who didn't attend this party however).

From a gay angle this incident is exspecially despicable, because basing Holocaust inversion on the cause of gay emancipation will fire back more deadly than the pink triangle. After Hitler had slaughtered most of the communist party, the remnants tried to topple the Nazi regime by campaigning against the most prominent gay in their ranks, but they only caused the Nazis to turn that campaign into nationwide anti-gay persecution, rather than being toppled. Now if the LLL succeeds to destroy the Western cultures from within by holding hostage the geopolitically homeless gay self-interest, the first thing the Islamists will do is to pick up everything that echoes Maxim Gorki's "kill the gays and you've killed the fascists" and employ the same Holocaust inversion against gays. What will Ken Livingstone do then, try to persuade al-Qaradawi of the virtues of Mohammed Atta's "don't ask, don't tell" lifestyle? That would finally put him into the footsteps of Ernst Röhm and his idea that the place of gays in society was not in normality but in all-male elite orders.

235 Ben B  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 2:02:25am

I just can't get my head round the rationale for the left's sucking up to Islam. The latter is a totalitarian belief-system which involves personal enslavement to a collective projected ego under the guise of a deity. Allah is collective ego on stilts; if you read the accounts of the terrorists this is plainly obvious: Muslim websites called the New Jersey murder of a Coptic family punishment from Allah.

I just don't understand it. Totalitarian cults usually hate each other.

236 leo (dissident view from Berlin)  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 2:07:01am

#235 Ben B -

I just don't understand it. Totalitarian cults usually hate each other.

There's nothing to understand there. They're all in the same business, human sacrifice, and the corporate identities of the various players converge until the biggest of them rolls up the whole market.

237 Ben B  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 2:11:26am

Oh, and, by the way, I wish someone would pull the chain and flush Komrade Ken away.

238 leo (dissident view from Berlin)  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 3:09:18am

#119 BPP -

Feminists like Sen. Boxer do not "oppose liberating women". They oppose the use of US military force to overthrow foreign governments and it does not matter to them if that overthrow has the beneficial side effect of liberating women.

A feminist to whom women's liberation is a side effect? That must be a fake. Why would she turn her mind into such a pretzel if it was not all about tyrant-hugging?

239 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 3:40:24am

Most lefty folks like to equate any Jew as a Nazi.

How Orwellian.

240 RC neo-Jew  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 3:41:38am

#233 Dave Ray

Ok so that's every media outlet...apart for the Tetbury Gazette that's covered the story...seems our British media expert took his eye off the ball.

Not in the Tetbury Gazette, eh? Are you certain?

I don't think it's in the Strathspey and Badenoch Herald either. Last time I was in that part of Scotland their headline was about the intense competition which was hotting up between porage makers for for the Golden Spurtle Award.

241 RC neo-Jew  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 3:51:10am

Maybe Red Ken should be invited to the Golden Spurtle competition.

1.30pm The Porridge Parade
The piper, millers, judges and entrants meet at the famous bridge for a complimentary dram to toast ‘The Porridge’ before proceeding to the Village Hall where the competition commences

After a few 'wee drams', with any luck he would fall off the bridge there.

242 Dave Ray  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 3:55:58am

RC neo-Jew:

It also missed The Orcadian, the Orkneys main daily newspaper. Seems the floral design for the Islands is of more importance...must be filthy degenerate Jew killers up there!

243 freestar  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 4:41:51am

NY nana thanks for the link.

Red Ken Out of Office NOW

He has lost the moobatting plotoid. He is orbiting moonbats lesser known moons, despicabat.

Red Ken Out of Office NOW

244 Paco from Sefarad  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 4:44:18am

Gays in the UK aren't too happy about Ken trying to draw them into it either.

Don’t Use Gays to Justify Abuse, Says OutRage!

OutRage spokesperson Brett Lock hit out at the Mayor, describing the comments a “patronising” to the gay community

“The Mayor's explanation that he was defending the lesbian and gay community from ‘media harassment’ comes across as patronising,” Locke said.

“We don't need the Mayor's protection to fend off a solitary journalist asking a simple question. We certainly don't want the Mayor stooping to anti-Semitic abuse in the name of defending lesbians and gays.

“This was a high-profile public event, which would obviously attract media attention. It is 2005 and openly gay people attending a City Hall celebration have nothing to hide. They have no reason to fear a journalist reporting the event.

“The Mayor's claim that he was defending the gay community strikes us as implausible and disingenuous.

“His sensationalist rhetoric cheapens the experience of Jews, gays, the disabled, Roma, black people, communists and others who were persecuted by the Nazis.

“Ken should not seek to embroil lesbians and gay men in his dispute with the Evening Standard.

And the ripples reach as far as Venezuela...

Supporter of Hugo Chavez, anti-Jewish and 'homophobic'? Must be Ken Livingstone!

Not long ago our mayor Ken Livingstone considered fitting to lend his 'credibility' and signature to a letter penned by a Tariq Ali entitled "If We Were Venezuelans...We Would Vote for Hugo Chavez". Said manifesto prompted me to call to Mayor's Livingstone office to express my concern and I also took the pain of sending him an email that to this day remains unanswered.

Ken Livingstone is the typical socially resented, double-faced, backward thinking, anti-establishment, anti-semitic, homophobic, extreme-left-radical Labour figure that one would encounter in a European political setting. His siding with Hugo Chavez demonstrates just that.

245 RC neo-Jew  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 4:48:55am

#242 Dave Ray

Well, Orkney is inhabited by trows - thought to be a variety of troll.

246 TalkinKamel  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 5:51:15am

#119 BPP

Um, so you don't think rape rooms, prisons for kids, women being murdered for their political views by the secret police and Uday and Quesay preying on the female population of Iraq was oppressing women?

Gee, who'da thunk?

As for why feminisists aren't more interested in helping women who are actually oppressed---my take on that would be that the modern day feminist movement was always flawed at its heart; much more about 60's "liberation", movement fads, trendy Marxism, the sexual revolution and, yes, massaging the egos of Middle-class women than it was about actually trying to help the female sex as a whole.

It's also, right now, very much about LLL Amerikkka hatred---which, I suspect is the real reason Bubbles and the rest of her feminist sisters hate the war in Iraq. (How much did these women---excuse me, "womyn" protest our bombing of Serbia? And wasn't America trying to replace a government there? Why weren't they up in arms about that? And why aren't they doing more to help black women in Dafur, and the Sudan? This isn't rhetorical, BPP; I think this goes right to the heart of why left-wing feminisits have become useless---when they're not downright toxic.

My final word on the feminists---I've got to agree with #238 Leo (dissident view from Berlin); if they can't rejoice at the liberation of women from a cruel, Islamofacist tyranny because America did it, then their minds are bent all out of shape!

247 Ben B  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 5:54:28am

Komrad Ken has a whiny voice that really belongs in Round the Horne. 'The Bona World of Jules and Sandy' comes to mind. Hilariously funny. [Link: www.johnbarber.com...]

248 Paco from Sefarad  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 5:58:33am

Watch for more on this story.

A man has been charged with conspiring to cause an explosion with intent to endanger life, Scotland Yard has said.

Salahuddin Amin, 29, was arrested at Heathrow Airport on 8 February after coming off a flight from Pakistan.

Police charged Mr Amin on Saturday under section three of the 1883 Explosive Substances Act.

He is to remain in custody and will appear at Bow St Magistrates Court on 14 February.

249 Paco from Sefarad  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 6:01:43am

Now updated...

Man charged with 'explosion plan'

A man has been charged with conspiring to cause an explosion with intent to endanger life, Scotland Yard has said.

Salahuddin Amin, 29, was arrested at Heathrow Airport on 8 February under the Terrorism Act 2000 after coming off a flight from Pakistan.

But police instead charged Mr Amin on Saturday under section three of the 1883 Explosive Substances Act.

He is to remain in custody and will appear at Bow St Magistrates Court on 14 February.

He is accused of unlawfully and maliciously conspiring with others to cause, by an explosive substance, an explosion of a nature likely to endanger life or cause serious damage to property, between 1 October 2003 and 31 March 2004.

250 Joel  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 8:40:54am

London was a great city once... before it was taken over by the Leftist Moonbats and Islamofacist loving PC crowd... I wouldn't go back there to visit if they paid me.

251 Jakester  Sat, Feb 12, 2005 9:07:53am

God, I really hate that guy!

252 yankev  Sun, Feb 13, 2005 10:14:19am

#183

Well, excuse me, Mr. Liberal Example of Enlightenment, but I think those who support and encourage such killing are guilty, too.

Bigel, as much as I agree with you about Jennings, I also agree its important to distinguish among the actual killers, the wannabees, the apologists and the enablers.

Can we agree on eg. Peter "I never saw a Jewkiller I didn't like" Jennings?

253 yankev  Sun, Feb 13, 2005 10:23:23am

#214
My favorite was his broadcast during the first gulf war, where the camera showed Israelis attending a classical music concert, gas masks in hand. Jennings commented "Well, they paid for their tickets, so I guess they had to go."

New Republic commented that if the story were about Brits attending a concert in the height of the blitz, Jennings would have lauded them as courageous or at least plucky; because these were Jews attending a concert while Iraqi missles (which Saddam had threatened to load with nerve gas) falling on their country, Jennings felt free to bring up old stereotypes about Jews being cheapskates.

254 yankev  Sun, Feb 13, 2005 10:25:42am
So Quakers and Amish and others who oppose military activity as a matter of religious principle are actually on the side of our enemies?

"Objectively, the pacifist aids the fascists." George Orwell, writing during the second world war.

255 yankev  Sun, Feb 13, 2005 10:28:53am
Holocaust inversion is a form of anti-semitism that is prevalent in the European Left.

It can also be found amoung the US left and among the liberal wing of certain mainstream churches in the US.

256 EE  Sun, Feb 13, 2005 6:25:45pm

#235 BenB
"I just can't get my head round the rationale for the left's sucking up to Islam. The latter is a totalitarian belief-system which involves personal enslavement to a collective projected ego under the guise of a deity. Allah is collective ego on stilts; if you read the accounts of the terrorists this is plainly obvious: Muslim websites called the New Jersey murder of a Coptic family punishment from Allah.

I just don't understand it. Totalitarian cults usually hate each other. "

There is an excellent book that explains the mindset of the Left, especially the far Left, and its willingness to ally itself with radical Islam. It's called Unholy Alliance, and it's by David Horowitz. Horowitz knows his subject intimately.

Here is what Former CIA Director R. James Woolsey wrote about the book Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left, by David Horowitz:

An absolutely superb book. Horowitz masterfully portrays the Hitler-Stalin Pact of our time. The totalitarian movements we defeated in the twentieth century have mutated. Now Islamist fanatics and today's far Left make common cause to the same end as their predecessors -- the destruction of freedom.
257 EE  Sun, Feb 13, 2005 7:53:55pm

re #256, this is from David Horowitz's book Unholy Alliance, concerning how Western leftists can support radical Islamism

These [radical Islamic] indictments [of America and its sins] are easily embraced by Western leftists. Less comprehensible is their support for the Islamic movements themselves, which represent so many values seemingly antithetic to their progressive creeds. But as previously noted, the history of the Western left shows that these are not the insurmountable obstacles they may seem. Radicalism is a cause whose utipian agendas result in an ethic where the ends outweigh and ultimately justify any means. Like the salvationist agendas of jihad, the Left's apocalyptic goal of "social justice" is the equivalent of an earthly redemption. A planet saved, a world without poverty, racism, inequality, or war -- what means would not be justified to achieve such millenial ends? By way of contrast, less ambitious reform movements are able to weigh gains against probable costs, and avoid the kind of excesses and atrocities endiemic to radical causes.

Horowitz goes through the history of the far left in his book. But the events of one period of time were very important in forging this alliance of radical Islamists and radical Leftists, Horowitz explains.

While the elements necessary for an alliance between American and Islamic radicals were present to some degree at the outset of the Middle East conflict, it was a confluence of events occurring in the last quarter of the century that allowed them to reach critical mass. These events included Iran's Islamic revolution, the creation of an Islamic jihad in Afghanistan in 1979, and the subsequent transformation of the Palestinian struggle from a secular movement inspired by fascism and Communism into a full-fledged Islamic holy war. The Islamic transformation of the Palestinian cause was completed during the second Intifada, when Yasser Arafat created the Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade and began the suicide attacks of September 2000.

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