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British Dhimmitude Watch

Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 9:18:04 am PST

Religious Education students in Britain must now include the letters “pbuh” (“peace be upon him”) in parentheses every time they write the name of Mohammed, according to teacher David Holford.

Religious Education in most schools in the UK is about comparative religion. There are six statutory religions in teaching RE. The law says that Christianity has to be the dominant religion taught in RE. Schools then choose amongst Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Hinduism, and Buddhism to fill out the rest of the curriculum. My school does the first three. These four religions are taught in years 7, 8, 9 (the same ages as 6th-8th grade in the US).

At GCSE* we do one of the Christianity papers and one of the Islam papers (with corresponding essay coursework). Now I don’t have a problem teaching comparative religion generally. I think it is a good thing for both children and adults to know about other religions and understand the cultures around them.

The potential problem has arisen in teaching about Muhammad. The exam board requires that every time Muhammad is written, the letters “pbuh” in parentheses be placed after it. This is shorthand for “peace be upon him”. The writer therefore prays a blessing upon him everytime his name is written, as is the custom of Muslims. So I have to tell my students (over and over if there is any hope of them remembering) that they must bless Muhammad every time they mention his name.

For most, if not all, of my students, this will be no problem. Few, if any, have any religious convictions whatsoever. It’s not so bad that I have to tell them to do something that I would find reprehensible. However, I am expected to model what they should do to reinforce their learning. I will never pray a blessing upon Muhammad. To do so would be to repudiate my faith. It would imply I believe the Shahada (the Muslim declaration of faith) even if those hearing or reading it were unable to infer this.

I do not wear my faith on my sleeve when I teach RE. When students ask me if I believe in God, I tell them. If they ask if I am a Christian, I tell them. If they ask which variety of Christian I am, I tell them. I never do more than honestly answer their questions. And I would never insist that non-Christian (Muslim or otherwise) students make the sign of the Cross at every mention of the Holy Trinity, even though that is part of the tradition of my religion.

UPDATE at 2/14/05 9:33:06 am:

This Specimen Paper from 2003 at the exam board’s web site (PDF file) actually uses Arabic script for the blessing:

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1 Sarah D.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:20:10am

This is crazy. Actually, it's beyond crazy.

2 Sarah D.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:20:57am

Who sits on this exam board?

3 knotboy  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:21:38am

I am speachless.

4 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:22:45am

holy dhimmitude batman

5 Sarah D.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:23:28am

Dave replies to a poster:

In the Islam GCSE exam, you must follow the Islamic practice. I can't imagine that there would be a test question that would offer you the opportunity to put (pbuh) after other names.

Again, this is crazy.

6 True German Ally  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:23:32am

That's truly incredible

7 Joel  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:23:40am
8 Joel  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:24:24am

A better post Call it Eurabia now

9 Thom  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:24:27am
There are six statutory religions in teaching RE. The law says that Christianity has to be the dominant religion taught in RE. Schools then choose amongst Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Hinduism, and Buddhism to fill out the rest of the curriculum.

Well then, remove islam from the list of choices. It's a gutter death cult anyway.

P.S. Fuck mohammed.

10 gavindow  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:24:45am

G-wah?

11 Working Grunt  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:25:05am

I agree with Sarah D. ...

This is crazy

12 voletti  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:26:16am

WTF?!?!?!

13 bigel[deleted]  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:26:22am
14 Joel  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:26:52am

The Prophet Mohammed pig shit be upon him.

15 Bob with one O  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:26:53am

Henry VIII is rolling over in his grave.

16 BIG  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:26:55am

Muhammad (pbuh) was a murderer, rapist, and a pedophile.

(You see, even I can do this pc thingy!)

17 trigger girlie  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:27:59am

Maybe we should just stop complaining and watch Euro..Eurabia slowly descend into the pits of Islamofascist hell.
To tell the truth, I can't wait for the day to come when we can say: "told you so!" The sooner, the better, and the bigger the impact will be.

18 Korora  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:28:04am

Welcome to LGF, TGA!

19 Dave the.....  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:28:06am

I'll say the obvious.

This changes it from teaching the religion to forcing you to practice it.

20 Paco from Sefarad  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:28:57am
The writer therefore prays a blessing upon him everytime his name is written, as is the custom of Muslims. So I have to tell my students (over and over if there is any hope of them remembering) that they must bless Muhammad every time they mention his name.

Dhimmitude indeed!

Piss be upon Muhammad and the camel he called "mother"!

21 SlothB77  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:29:33am

Has Ward Churchill thought of this?

OT

Blogosphere Politics
By Michael Barrone


[Link: www.usnews.com...]
Teaser:
Going into the 2004 election cycle, just about everyone said the Internet was going to change politics. But no one was sure how. Now we know...
...So what hath the blogosphere wrought? The left blogosphere has moved the Democrats off to the left, and the right blogosphere has undermined the credibility of the Republicans' adversaries in Old Media. Both changes help Bush and the Republicans.

22 scorched earth 138  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:29:51am

...
WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT OSCAR BRITANIA?!

23 billhedrick  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:30:29am

I guess if I were a Catholic in these classes, I'd put "JMJ" on top of all my class papers.
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.
.
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Note to non-catholics, we used to put this (Jesus, Mary, Joseph) on the top of all our work pages in catholic gradeschool

24 thinkingmom  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:30:39am

No adherent of Judaism or Christianity can do this without violating their religious beliefs. It's seeking a blessing on a false prophet. How can this be imposed on students? It is inherently intolerant. The hypocrisy of those who espouse "multi-culturalism" is showing. Disgusting.

25 Joel  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:30:42am

The UK is well on its whay towards dhimmitude. The British unfortunately have lost their manhood ever since Margaret Thatcher (peace be unto her) stepepd down in 1990.

26 Paco from Sefarad  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:30:52am

#13 bigel

You're up early bigel... can't you sleep?

27 PDM  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:30:53am

I almost wish my kid was Britaish Religious Education student.
Ah, the fun we could have.

28 peggie  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:30:55am

looks like time for a lot of head bowing after the name jesus. keep it up until some parent or official praise be to allah demands that such infidel behavior stop. head bowing and cross signing - let the games begin. time to push back - whether it's teddy the swimmer, kerry the almost winner, hillary the transformer.

29 Kantana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:31:03am

Muhammad ?
Pbuuuaaarrrgghh...

30 sandspur  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:31:17am

OT From FOX News
Faulty heater ignites mosque fire in Iran, killing 35.

Didn't the heater that killed the Georgian Prime Minister recently come from Iran?

31 Thom  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:31:18am

Did you really need all those periods?

32 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:31:45am

Over my cold dead body would any child of mine conform to this asinine requirement. What's next, making the English girls wear the veil so the Muslim boys won't rape them?

*spit*

33 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:32:04am

#27 PDM

Yes I had the same thought!

34 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:32:20am

Hmmm, PBUH could stand for a lot off things-

Piss Be Upon Him


being one of them.

35 plutosdad  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:32:47am

Wait a minute, is that not mixing religion and the state? I know in Europe they are not as strict about that, but come on, this is ridiculous!

It's "comparative" religious studies, which means you study and compare them all. It is not "Islam is the best" studies, or "we are afraid to piss them off" studies.

I think this is even more insulting to Muslims. It's like saying "we think you are all crazy and will kill us, so we don't piss you off"

36 j-damn  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:33:22am

I suggest putting "THE ONE TRUE" in front of all mentions of the Christian "God" from now on.

After all, fair is fair.

37 Julmudgeon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:33:23am

OT, but someone on lgf was predicting this just in the last couple days: (this from Drudge)


FEC May Tighten Restrictions On Internet Political Activity
Mon Feb 14 2005 10:38:41 ET

The Federal Election Commission next month will begin looking at tightening restrictions on political activities on the Internet, ROLL CALL reports Monday.

The FEC is planning to examine the question of how Internet activities, when coordinated with candidates' campaigns, fit into the definition of 'public communications.

Specifically, the FEC is planning to examine the question of how Internet activities, when coordinated with candidates' campaigns, fit into the definition of "public communications." While coordinated communications are considered campaign contributions and therefore subject to strict contribution limits, current FEC regulations adopted in 2002 carve out an exemption for coordinated political communications that are transmitted over the Internet.

38 bigel[deleted]  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:33:52am
39 zombie  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:33:56am

My favorite variation on this, invented by some evil LGFer a while ago (I forget who), is

PBUH = Penis Be Up in Him

40 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:35:36am

Prickly Cactus Up His?

41 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:36:12am
42 Joel  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:36:27am

The UK and the rest of Europe is in a post Christian phase. Soon they will be begging their Islamic masters for tolerance, however they should not hold their breath.

43 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:37:00am

IS THIS FOR FUCKING REAL?

sorry...MOVE alONg...nothing to see here...

44 zombie  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:37:15am
exam board requires

What we've really got to do is get to the bottom of this "exam board." Can some minor bureaucrats really enforce demon-worship nationwide? What kind of madness is this?

45 j-damn  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:37:19am

OT:

The United States is preparing strategies to choke off nuclear-armed North Korea's few remaining sources of income, a report said.

Good. Enjoy eating all that enriched radioactive crap, Kim Ding-dong.

46 Ben B  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:39:09am

Here we go again. The wonderful world of PC teaches that all belief systems are of equal merit. It is not true.

I've read the Upanishads and the Koran. The Upanishads contain extraordinary insights. The Koran is a self-serving cult-script preaching hatred of everything outside itself.

When can we ditch this cant that preaches the equality of all belief systems?

Mahomet, (and I'll add 'pbuh' because he needs it in view of his life's events) during the latter part of his life was petrified by fear of the Torment in the Grave, which is a kind of foretaste of Hell. Now, would a real prophet be petrified by such a thing? [Link: hadith.al-islam.com...] and [Link: www.islamonline.net...]

47 Mr Pol  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:40:47am

#39 zombie

That was coined by Bob G.

48 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:41:00am

And what if you don't do it?

49 Paco from Sefarad  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:41:09am

#38 bigel 

LOL!

its always around 4:30 here... almost time for a cup of tea.

Meanwhile back on topic; isn't it alarming the number of posters on David Holford's blog who would be quite happy to say "pbuh"...

50 William  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:41:19am

OT:

Here's a 7-minute video created by Avenger Red Six, a tanker patrolling Fallujah:

[Link: candc.mirror.unitedemailsystems.com...]

Note: the video is 75MB, so if you are at work, and intend to download later at home, please don't download twice, and waste twice the server bandwidth.
 

51 traveler  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:42:15am

I feel sorry for that teacher. This "exam board" is really thick as a plank.

52 Sandy P  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:42:46am

Via Lucianne:

[Link: www.torontofreepress.com...]

Call It Eurabia Now

53 LouMinatti  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:44:19am

(OT) BUSH NOT WELCOME!

Our German friends are getting ready for important protests against George Cowboy Nazi Bush.

[Link: www.notwelcomebush.de...]

The site's in German of course, and there is also a message forum. I am not saying anyone should post messages to the forum along the lines of "Have you accepted dhimmitude yet?" or "Don't you have any Jews to hate?".

Some of our other German friends have put together an even nicer website.

[Link: www.bushinberlin.de...]

Rather than looking for a productive job, they will be busy spending their days making paper mache effigies of the Dreaded Bush.

54 thepoguemahone  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:46:14am

Why would German lefties look for a job?

55 AU  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:46:34am

I want a fawta against me!

It would be a point of pride to have a fawta against me.

So here it goes:

Mohammed was a charlatan, a liar, a rapist, a pedophile, and he could neither write or read. May he burn in hell all while he eats pig shit.

Please issue a fawta against AU. PLEASE! It needs to come from a 'respected' IMAM. I want it to be a major fatwa. No small timers please.

56 Thom  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:46:52am

#52 Sandy P

What is that hideous ad blocking the story?!

57 Bob G.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:47:08am

I think it would be fine if they modify it slightly to say, "peace be upon him, for a fucking change," or "peace be upon him if he'll call off the g*d damn jihad."

58 Moses Cleaveland  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:48:37am

WWJD?

59 zombie  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:48:40am

Here's some info on this mysterious "exam board":

OCR was formed in 1998 from the University of Cambridge Local Examination Syndicate and RSA, which means that OCR offers an extremely broad range of qualifications, with the integrity, quality and assurances that you would expect from an organisation with such a respected heritage. Over 600 staff work for OCR on sites in Cambridge, Coventry, Birmingham and in six Regional Offices. Add to this the thousands of examiners, verifiers and consultants that mark, assess and write qualifications, and it will be recognised that we are one of the major organisations in the country.

It's practically impossible to penetrate the thicket of bureaucracy.

60 Bob with one O  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:49:48am

Perverse B*tch Up His

61 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:49:57am

A little drop of poison every day.
The patient doesn't feel anything.
Every day.

A very little drop of poison.

Any reaction will be "exaggeration", and "poisonphobia".

Fifty years from now, there will be no Western World, no Freedom, no civilization.

62 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:50:10am

P edophiliac
B astard
U nderling
from
H ell

63 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:51:00am

#58 Moses Cleaveland

scream yell throw the desks everywhere and chase the dhimmis with a whip

64 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:51:08am

To me this whole "pbuh" thing has always smacked of uncertainty on the part of the Mahometans. If he really were the perfect man, the model to be emulated for all time, Allah's prophet and the last prophet to all mankind, couldn't they assume that peace is indeed upon him?

After all, believing Christians don't say "Jesus (pbuh)" every time the name comes up.

I suspect that they suspect that their man is really roasting on a spit in hell, and maybe if they say pbuh long enough and loud enough, he might get to take a vacation in purgatory.

Just sayin'.

65 denbike  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:51:27am

I never heard of that one, "not swallowing saliva"!? Boy that is one strict fast. How does that work? Lots of spitting? A drool cup?

66 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:51:36am

@46 Ben B

What will be equal is when all of the unbelievers are headless.
Making all equal in death.

No matter how loud we scream, and point to the obvious there are those who will willingly Not see. They have been a long and slow march of death, only when they've reached the end will they know where they are with no return.

It's just too much to be bothered in their soft, fat, secured little bubble to heed the warnings.

67 hepcat  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:51:53am

Excellent article from Moment Magazine

Who Hijacked Islam?
There are many responses to this seemingly simple question. One Muslim scholar believes radical 18th century Wahhabism, promoted by Saudi Arabia, has heavily influenced Osama Bin Laden and other contemporary Islamic terrorists...
68 Ben B  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:52:31am

#55 AU

I'll issue a fatwa against you. There. It didn't hurt a bit, did it?

69 PDM  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:52:34am

#33 BabbaZee,

No reason that dhimmitude education (or expulsion from it) can't be fun too. :)

#40 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades,

Prickly Cactus Up His?

Pipe Bombs Up His

70 zombie  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:53:18am

Here's a general email to contact this "exam board":

helpdesk@ocr.org.uk

Complete contact info can be found here.

OCR Head Office

Head Office is responsible for all policies and the overall administration within OCR.

Perhaps they could informed of the meaning of the word "dhimmitude."

71 Dave Ray  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:53:49am

The exam board in question have a reputation for screwing up, never in this way...but you've got to ask yourselves why they employ idiots.

The kids should take a leaf out of my Comprehensive education...miss out RE all together and bunk off down to the local arcade (if only there were GCSE's in Street Fighter 2)...

72 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:54:08am

This is a subject that I would be willing to write a letter about-or an e-mail to somebody about what a fucking stupid idea this is. Mind you-if the intention is to empower the Muslims of the UK and make them all feel like they have balls of steel-then it's the most effective thing to do.

I have to believe, though-that there are enough sensible Brits out there who are not aware of this and would be revolted, too.

Islam-shoved down your throat and up yer wazoo courtesy of the British educational system. Feh.

73 On the Mark  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:54:18am

Perhaps they should also not say or write the full "GOD" as is the tradition of the Jews. There are many other traditional things that they should also be forced to observe. Obviously, since they are now being forced to follow the traditions of the religions they are studying, as opposed to just studying them.

With the current attitudes, Europe is destined to be Eurabia anyway. We should simply prepare ourselves to be facing and fighting a new enemy across the Atlantic. Because when all infidels in Europe are living in Dhimmitude (as is the plan of the fundamentalist Muslims, and sanctioned in the Quran), we'll have to go rescue their sorry butts again. And rescue we will...sad as it might be to have to do so. Once again, we'll spill American blood to save the Europeans from that which they refuse to save themselves. (Can you say "History 101?")

World Debate

74 Jon a Brit in Euroland  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:54:26am

Please post the email of the "exam board", and of the chairperson of the board. I think they should read the reactions to their lunatic ideas... only in polite form ... of course.

Jon

75 hornet  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:54:43am

They know mo is in hell, and they think that if they can get 100,000,000 pbuh, that would transfer him out. But it will not work. More correct would be (dthf).

76 zombie  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:55:23am

#47 Mr Pol

#39 zombie
That was coined by Bob G.

I should have guessed as much! He's rapidly becoming our reigning comic mastermind.

77 necklace of shoes  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:56:21am

I was in catholic school, 4th grade, mid 60's.
Our assignment was to go home and find out what religion both our parents were.
The next day a girl innocently gets up and says "My father told me to tell you he's a Communist."

78 William  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:57:13am
Who Hijacked Islam?

All evidence points to: no one.  Bin Laden et al are strictly adhering to islam, they're not "hijacking" it.
 

79 hornet  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:57:26am

dthl = damned to hell forever

80 Jakester  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:57:42am

PBUH = puke bile upon head!

81 JohnSteele  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:57:46am

The English like to be noted for 'fair play'. Why doesn't Mr. Holford tell his students to place a small cross after the name of any Christian figures, a small Star of David after Jewish figures, etc. This way everyone is treated equitably and the Brits get to uphold 'fair play'.

Do I think Mr. Holford would be reprimanded? Most certainly but he can at least take the moral high ground in the meantime.

82 GoatGuy  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:58:49am

Pestilence
Bestowed
Upon
Humanity

GoatGuy

83 lazytart  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:59:24am

I wouldn't do it.

Ever.

That simple.

Thank G-D for the USA.

84 hepcat  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:59:47am

pbuh? Doesn't this stand for Poo-Bah? Of which, Fred Flintstone was the Grand Poo-Bah of the Loyal Order of the Water Buffaloes, Lodge No. 26.

85 zombie  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:00:22am
#72 WriterMom
This is a subject that I would be willing to write a letter about-or an e-mail to somebody

#74 Jon a Brit in Euroland 
Please post the email of the "exam board", and of the chairperson of the board

You wishes are my command:

helpdesk@ocr.org.uk

See my post #70 above.

86 PDM  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:00:40am

#81 JohnSteele,

Why doesn't Mr. Holford tell his students to place a small cross after the name of any Christian figures, a small Star of David after Jewish figures, etc.

Because there may be Muslims in the class and bloodstains are impossible to remove from text books.

87 zombie  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:02:24am
#82 GoatGuy

I like your acronym too. A classic.

88 ErnieG  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:03:01am

I wonder if it works both ways. (That's a rhetorical wonder... we know dhimmitude is a one-way street) In other words, are Muslims allowed to bless non-muslims, or non-muslim entities? According to the Imam, They are not. The specific question was whether it would be permissible answer the phone with the traditional blessing:

Can Muslims answer the telephone with "Asalamualaikum"?

Bearing in mind that we dont know if a non Muslim is on the other end? If Muslims cant answer the telephone with "Asalamualaikum", than how should a Muslim answer a telephone? a telephone at ones home for example


Answer 7043

Salaam is invoking peace on another person.

Saying Assalaamu Alaykum to a non-Muslim is incorrect. Therefore, if one is unsure who the caller is, he/she should not answer the telephone with these words, but rather some other method should be adopted.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

89 paxnhymn  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:03:59am

(sigh)

this is just the beginning, folks. It's like I've been saying ever since I came back from that hellhole called the Arabian penisula in '91...

Is--slum IS the one world religion mentioned in The Book of Revelation!

Like Joni mitchell said" Slouching towards Bethlehem to be born"...

I feel sorry for our children..

90 True German Ally  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:04:06am

#18 Korora

Thanks for the welcome!

91 AW  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:05:50am

I wonder if Colt of Eurabian Times can confirm this. He's a high school student in the UK, AFAIK.

92 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:08:13am

#85 zombie

Yeah, baby! Thanks...just brewing up the right combo of words for my little note...

93 JohnSteele  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:08:23am

#86 PDM
Ouch

94 AW  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:08:40am

eh, wrong acronym. IIRC, not AFAIK :-P

95 zombie  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:09:03am

As far as I can tell, the British exam board called "OCR" is the equivalent of the US organization that administers the SATs, called the "College Board." A group of educators who develop testing standards that most school districts and universities give the stamp of approval to. Thus, it's not really "national policy," but rather a nationally consented-to standard. If enough school districts and universities complain, it can be changed. Not sure of how likely that is, though.

96 farng!  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:10:35am

388 Ernie G.

Muslims do, however, say "peace and blessings" after saying the names of Moses, Mary, Jesus, and others from the Old and New Testaments.
Why? Because they were actually Muslims, and were persecuted by You Know Who...
Muslims will believe anything...

97 packsoldier  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:11:14am

Pig feces be upon him...


#89
Joni Mitchell? I'm pretty sure Yeats said it first.

98 milford421  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:11:42am

#4 BabbaZee.

LOL

How about all the students also be required to write JMJ at the top center of their papers and describe some of the Christian beliefs in detail just the same.

99 big L  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:11:57am

Looks like we are going to go back to EUrope and clean up the mess again.

100 farng!  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:11:57am

Sorry.

That's #88.

101 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:12:11am

If the West doesn't declare war to islam it's the end.
If it does, we are told it could be the end.

Between "IS" and "being told it could be" the choice is easy.

Politicos, wake up, we are falling into the pit !

102 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:12:53am

#98 milford421

Yes. And I want an essay from them on the ten trials of Abraham while we're at it!

103 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:14:13am

BTW, that was:

"Poitiers-Lepanto 101"


:-)))

104 packsoldier  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:14:36am

William Butler Yeats, "The Second Coming"

Turning and turning in the widening gyre

The falcon cannot hear the falconer;

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

The best lack all conviction, while the worst

Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;

Surely the Second Coming is at hand.

The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out

When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi

Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert

A shape with lion body and the head of a man,

A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,

Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it

Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again; but now I know

That twenty centuries of stony sleep

Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,

And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,

Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

105 Super Fly  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:15:02am

HOLY SHIT!

That's insane!

106 paxnhymn  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:16:13am

89 packsoldier

yep...I just like JMs style...:-D

I'm amazed I can still smile watching this scum slowly aproach the threshold of America!

107 Super Fly  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:19:31am

This would be like forcing to Jews to write "INRI" every time they write "Jesus".

Absolutley insane.

108 Globular Cluster  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:20:22am

At this resolution the symbol looks like a rabbit fucking a goat.

I approve.

109 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:21:44am

#106 Paxnhymn

I'm amazed I can still smile watching this scum slowly approach the threshold of America!

Nope, the beast is already well established inside.
Just waiting for orders.

110 Super Fly  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:23:33am

The best I can bring myself say about Mohommed is "May G-d have mercy on his soul".

111 trip  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:24:36am

Actually, I have no problem adding pbuh behind that despicable name -

"Muhammed - pbuh (piss be upon him)"

112 OddsOn  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:25:48am

Don't forget Eason Jordan - PBUH. Er, maybe that should be RIP. Nope. How about just Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish.

113 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:26:38am
114 ibrodsky  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:27:55am

I don't have anything against most Muslims, because the vast majority have never read the Koran in a language they actually understand.

But Muhammed is another matter. His list of "achievements" include developing arguments in favor of rape, wife-beating, murder, and slavery.

115 MikeL  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:29:44am

Having to write "PBUH" is crazy. I'd write "TASBUH" for "torture and sorrow be upon him" instead. But having to write "PBUH" is no more riduculous than feeling obligated to write "G-d" just so some nutball Lubavicher won't get pissed of at a Reform Jew like me.

116 Earl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:29:49am

The more I study islam, the more strongly I am drawn to the Christian Gospels. Even a quick read of M,M,L or J, and one has the basics of a model life to follow in Jesus.

Three years of studying islam, and I become ever-more-horrified at the fascistic, violent, misogynistic and theologically-imperialistic nature of the belief system. The malevolence of the godhead and the psychopathy of the 'prophet' are chilling.

117 Ann_Observer  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:30:51am

I posted a slightly different version of the following 'Top 10' list a few months ago. Seems appropriate to run such a list again.

The Top 10 meanings of PBUH as applied to Mohammed:

#10  Produces Believers Unthinkingly Hostile

  #9  Parties Before Undertaking Homicides

  #8  Prison Bitch, Ugly Ho

  #7  Perverted Bastard Undeserving Homage

  #6  Proudly Beheading Unbelieving Hostages

  #5  Phenomenally Boring, Unremittingly Humorless

  #4  Providentially Banished Unto Hell

  #3  Pretentiously Bloviating Unctuous Homunculus

  #2  Prefers Butts Up High

And the #1 meaning of PBUH as applied to Mohammed:

  #1  Prophet? Bullshit! Unholy Huckster!

118 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:32:42am

#115 MikeL

some of us write G-d out of respect (FYI and I am nowhere near Orthodox)
bad comparison
unless of course the Rabbi comes to your school and forces it on secualr and christian kids...
not gonna happen!

119 Renna  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:37:32am

It is bad enough when a significant minority of people accept living as second class citizens, dhimmis, but the exam board in Britain is choosing to make the majority second class subjects of the minority, with the excuse of "tolerance" and the reality that they are afraid of upsetting a minority that has a habit of bloodshed.

120 Thom  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:38:06am

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

- Winston Churchill

---

Perhaps the exam board should ponder on that for a while, before surrendering.

121 FabioC.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:39:41am

I'm just gazing into the unfathomable depth of this abyss of idiocy and suicidal multi-culturalism. Better I finish my simulation of a chemical reactor.

122 mglazer  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:40:36am

Is this decree legally enforcable in England?

If so that country has been completely overtaken by the orcs!

123 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:41:31am

@106 paxnhymn

I'm not doing much smiling over this catastrophe in slow motion.
Having family involved in this on a daily basis can be worrisome.
Since they've chosen to bury their heads up their butts, I've started developing a habit of not worrying over them. The only ones now I'm concerned for are the minor children being lead by their parents into a bloody storm. They should be ashamed of themselves for ever opening the doors allowing the criminal and terrorist element to enter their country. Whole sections of major cities are now unsafe and no go areas, something that's not been seen on the island in a very long time. No one is safe over there now, except for the treacherous moonbats that caused this crap.
They can afford to use taxpayer monies to buy themselves protection.

124 Catttt  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:41:46am

!

Mohammed - who was an asshole.
Mohammed (pooey be upon his ass).

Mohammed (PBUHA)

Sue me, Britain.

125 MichaelMooreSucks  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:42:00am

I'd tell them to fuck off because I wouldn't write that shit.

126 elvis  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:42:37am

Pus Be Upon Him.

127 dennisw  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:44:32am

Don't this beat all! PBUH, this Arabian loon who foisted off his hallucinations as divine revelations?

128 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:45:01am
129 dennisw  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:45:31am

Sarah-
Who sits on this exam board?
British dhimmis

130 SpiritOf1683  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:46:54am

If anything seems to sum up the shameful mentality and rabid antisemitism of a lot of people who live in Britain - just click this: [Link: www.greatdebate.co.uk...] On this board, anyone who defends Jews, or roasts Zarqawi can expect nothing but mouth-foaming abuse.

131 Orbit Rain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:47:54am
Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

...oh yeah... "Religion of Peace" my ass...why don't they brainwash their children with "blessings upon the devil" for the satanists while they're at it?

132 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:50:33am

This is what happens when there is a decline in Christianity. They know not what they do.

133 Submariner  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:51:50am

117 Ann_Observer

FOTFLMAO

A couple of thoughts, y'all:

1) I know how to pronounce "pshaw" but how do you pronounce "pbuh?"

2) IMHO, this is a total slam against the Islamists. Since the students are not being directed to write out the entire phrase, they can attach any wording they want to the accronym. I would make Ann-Observer's list, no, strike that. Make this entire thread mandatory reading for them.

3) My offering - "Prolapsed, Bigotted, Ulcerated Hemorrhoid"

134 PDM  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:51:57am

#117 Ann_Observer,

Some of those are great. But this one:

#6 Proudly Beheading Unbelieving Hostages

is perfect.

135 yankev  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:53:39am
If he really were the perfect man, the model to be emulated for all time, Allah's prophet and the last prophet to all mankind, couldn't they assume that peace is indeed upon him?

They actually got that one from the Jews, who write or say alav (aleha in the case of a woman) Ha'Sholom --upon him (her) peace -- when speaking of the departed, and particularly when speaking of Moshe Rabbeinu, alav haSholom, whom we believe to be the chief of all prophets. You can see this usage in the writings of the Rambam (Maimonidies), among others.

Tell me, do the British schools enforce this usage in connection with the name of Moses? Somehow I doubt it.

For someone like Mohamed, I would be more tempted to add yemach shmo, or perhaps yemach shmo v'zichrono.

136 nachtwacht  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:54:22am

Pb: lead
U: uranium
H: hydrogen

Mohammed: father of the thermonuclear Edsel.

137 John B  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:02:05am

I suppose you can just avoid the name Mohammed and refer to him as "the pedophile".

138 paxnhymn  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:06:47am

137 JohnB

(ahem!) That'd be "Schizophrenic pedophile" please!

139 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:06:52am

#137 John B
too easy to them confuse him with michael jackson and woody allen LOL

140 LightGreyFencing  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:16:11am

Just clarify that "pbuh" means "Poo Be Upon Him".

141 Scipio  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:20:57am

Notice that they use the Saudi government's transliteration "Makkah."

I'm guessing that in the Judaism unit, they just talk about Jerusalem.

142 pookleblinky  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:28:40am

The dogs of Blog are hungry for a new target.

Let's focus on this one case, pounce upon the dhimmis of this one little area in Britain, and try to change their idiocy.

On my blog, I will focus on this. If enough people chip in, our directed anti-dhimmi Rovian mind-rays ought to have some effect.

Who else wants to kick some British bureaucratic ass?!

143 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:28:59am

O/T

BBC producer shot dead in Somalia after fatwa issued

From the Telegraph, with thanks to Sebastien and Twostellas: A BBC producer has died after being shot in the Somalia capital Mogadishu yesterday just weeks after an Islamic cleric reportedly issued a fatwa against westerners entering one of the world's...

Full article:

"War is deceit" ~ The "Prophet" Muhammad, he of the P estilence
B estowed U pon H umanity (goat guy's PBUH)

144 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:30:01am

Link didnt take: [Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

145 pookleblinky  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:32:45am

Oh-

The slimy lisping Pedophiliac thug Before whose black moon-stone the mUhamettans fear to expose their naked buttocks for fear of eternal rape in Hell.

146 Ann_Observer  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:34:00am

#133 Submariner

#134 PDM

Appreciate the acknowledgments.

147 yesandno  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:35:07am

In WWII Great Britain held and fought the Great Evil of the time. And when the war was over, these children of War went out and gave birth to this ruling generation of Brits. And how unlike their parents they appear to be. Their parents would be ashamed.

Seems like there are more that emulate Chamberlain then Churchill...who would have thought?

Pbuh is simply another attempt at the usless concept of "tolerance". I do fear for the future of all who live in Europe...and I am a little concerned for some on this continent as well...

148 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:35:24am

#142 pookleblinky

Possible proof of directed anti-dhimmi Rovian mind-rays? ;-)
[Link: www.rednova.com...]

149 evildoer  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:35:37am

WWJD

for a Klondike Bar?

150 Jorgen  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:36:45am

I can safely say that I will add the PBUH the day Muslims are peaceful. Hell would freeze over long before that happens.

151 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:37:20am

Two words:

home school

152 crabtree  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:37:43am

When exactly did the Brits turn into a nation of wusses? First they docily give up the right to defend themselves in their own homes, then laws against insulting Muslims, and now this?! Winston Churchill must be spinning like a top.

153 pookleblinky  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:37:53am

Did anyone see the comments on his blog?

So you're just going to grumble to everyone you know (and don't know) but still do what you're told? How English of you, Dave. You should consider some American options:

(a) Ignore the rule, and if anyone complains, tell them to *** off.

(b) Openly flout the rule, and tell them to *** off.

(c) Complain to every media outlet you can think of.

(d) Sue.
Posted by: AT at February 14, 2005 07:14 PM

154 RC neo-Jew  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:39:08am

OCR is one of a number of examination boards. Here's a list of them:

Examination Boards

I don't know whether the others are as dhimmi as the OCR appears to be.

I think we should demand that all the kids get up out of their places and genuflect every time they write 'Jesus'. And maybe light a candle and cross themselves.

Jewish kids excepted, of course, because they don't try and force their religious practices onto us. Similarly Hindus, Sikhs, Bahai...

155 pookleblinky  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:41:46am

#152 crabtree

That goes back a long time. Remember Mark Twain said in about 1880, "The English are mentioned in the bible: for the meek shall inherit the earth."

The English were the worst people tbe conquered by. Think about it: these bland people come, don't even bother to change your custums or language; they only ask that they get a special area to themselves to drink tea and eat crumpets. Then they ask for some military to protect the people drinking tea and eating crumpets. Then before you know it, your nation is over-run with bland bad-teethed people wearing khakis and demanding tea!

156 brakes  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:42:04am

It seems to me that these children are too young to be studying comparative religion at all. It should be up to their parents what religion the children learn. If people want to learn about other religions when they're adults that's fine, but it should be voluntary.

157 pookleblinky  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:43:04am

PIMF

...to be conquered by...

158 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:48:57am

PBUH

Well, c'mon. It's simple intimidation, no third rate bureaucrat wants to risk getting his throat cut. Another step on the road to Sharia.

159 crabtree  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:51:11am

#155 pooklebinky

Interesting you should mention Mark Twain. I just read his "The Innocents Abroad" which is the narrative of the first trip to Europe and the Holy Land strictly for "tourism". He was underwhelmed by the Holy Land sites, and as for his opinion of the Muslims--well, let's just say he would feel right at home posting here. He thought they were an ugly, unpleasant, useless people and considered it a blessing that nothing was visible of the women except occasionally the eyes!

160 helloworld  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:53:46am

like bigel's been saying all along, it's OVER for europe. OVER! they're just prolonging their suffering by not totally giving in like good slaves to the prophet of shitlam. have fun while you're "freedom" lasts europe, you'll be weeping bloody tears soon.

161 Gabba Gabba Hey  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:54:27am

Another dangerous bit of ground gained. Will no one tell them to piss in their collective hat and wear it backwards?

162 christheprofessor  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:56:25am

Makes me ashamed to be of part English ancestry. Does England not have a modern equivalent of Winston Churchill?

163 Beagle  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:57:44am

#116 Earl

The more I study islam, the more strongly I am drawn to the Christian Gospels.

Ditto. The DaVinci Code flap and Dead Sea Scrolls have had a similar effect. Controversy, not to be confused with beheading the infidel, makes religion much more interesting.

164 Scipio  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:02:48am

pookieblinky #153:

That was mine.

165 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:03:47am

#135 yankev

For someone like Mohamed, I would be more tempted to add yemach shmo, or perhaps yemach shmo v'zichrono.

My Hebrew's rusty, er, non-existent save for a few phrases. What's that mean?

166 Ed from Ohio  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:04:43am

did that seriously say "not swallowing saliva"

do they spit for 40 days?

167 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:05:33am

I learn so many interesting yiddish words here.

168 helloworld  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:05:59am

#159 crabtree

for anyone who cares, here's a link to mark twains book innocence abroad:

[Link: www.mindspring.com...]

it's the whole book available online for free

169 Ed from Ohio  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:08:21am

Why do we allow these people to bully everyone around

i'm SICK of this shit

someone needs to stand up to these insane muslims and their cowardly left wing enablers

170 FabioC.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:08:54am

#160 helloworld

Those pesky Founding Fathers: they could have avoided war and sufference by just reaching a compromise with the King.
Did they really need to revolt and declare indipendence?

See, I'm using your own arguments.

171 Kyriakon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:12:38am

With recent developments such as this, which are simply part of a larger blossoming of political correctness into full-blooded dhimmitude and Islamic indoctrination, an important question must be raised:

Is there no means of redemption for the late continent of Europe?

Though I cannot hope to understand why, it is painfully clear that Europe (now clearly worthy of the epithet Eurabia) has forever abandoned clear-sighted moral certitude for a muddled, post-modern illusion that plays directly into the hands of some of the most vile forces on the planet.

What is left? What more can go wrong? Christianity is declining at a disturbing rate, Islamism is growing rampant, anti-Semitism is on the rise, and the nations of Europe are turning to unassimilable waves of immigrants to support their socialist programs in light of birth rates below replacement levels. All this, and not so much as a whimper is heard.

172 helloworld  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:15:32am
See, I'm using your own arguments.

huh? if the euro's wont fight for their land and culture, they may as well surrender now! and i don't know if you've noticed but they are NOT willing to defend their culture, they just want to kiss islamofacist ass.

173 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:18:19am

#171 Kyriakon

There is one thing we have going for us:

Bring a very small light into a very dark room and the illumination is far greater than you might expect.
All the dark in the world is not enough to extinguish even one light. But one light can extinguish all darkness.
If you think of the good and evil currently locked in battle on the planet in terms of darkness and light, as light we have enormous power. As darkness they have only one fate - to be extinguished.
It is the job of every believing person of Judeo-Christian heritage to strive to be the one light.

174 pookleblinky  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:18:35am

#168 Helloworld

Thanks! I am a bookhound, and I've only recently begun reading books in electronic format.

Scipio- good post! Great nic!

I posted an excerpt from Dave's blog onto mine; I am going to try to take down this policy.

175 Northern Virginiastan  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:19:18am

Absolutely revolting. A cousin by marriage told me that Muslims were exempt from religion classes that everyone else had to take in her school (which was chartered by Henry VIII) in Coventry, England. Now non-Muslim student will have to affix PBUH at every mention of Muhammad.

176 Momzilla  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:23:17am

Weirdness! Seems like the followers of Islam wouldn't WANT "infidels" blessing their prophet in that way. The only real sacrament my particular flavor of Christian religion follows is the communion or Lord's supper, and that is for believers only. We don't judge who is, or who is not, a believer and leave that to the individual to decide whether they are "partaking unworthily." But to require it of someone who doesn't accept the meaning of it actually defiles the sacrament.

Do they happen to have a rule requiring that all written reference to the Lord be written G_d so as not to offend the Jews present?

177 Bilgeman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:24:07am

If I know the Limeys, they'll MEAN:

"Piss Be Upon Him".

Cheers;

178 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:25:06am

#132 redstateredneck

Re church membership;

contrast the dismal figures for England with the robust figures for South Carolina, my home state.

In Census 2000, S.C. turned in the following--weekly churchgoers, 75% of the adult population. 94% of South Carolinians are Christians, and about 5% of those are RC. The rest, Protestant.

Salt of the earth. :-)))

179 SpiritOf1683  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:28:54am

#162 christheprofessor

Makes me ashamed to be of part English ancestry. Does England not have a modern equivalent of Winston Churchill?

Sad to say, a modern day equivalent of Winston Churchill would become a figure of fun in "don't give a damn" Britain today. You only need look at the scorn that was poured on Tony Blair for going into Iraq. This, and the anti-Bush, anti-Blair, anti-US, anti-Israeli and antisemitic bile seen on other messageboards like [Link: www.greatdebate.co.uk...] and the BBC Five Live and Today messageboards. Eichmann would have been so proud of them if he were alive today to see them, just as they would give so much comfort to Zarqawi if he ever reads them. No wonder people see Britain and Europe as a lost cause.

180 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:31:30am

heh...

Tehran Mosque Blaze Kills 38, Injures 200

What were they saying about not playing with fire?

181 Bilgeman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:33:11am

"Poo-poo Be Under Him"?

"Prick Be Under Hand"?

"Puke Be Upon Hebrews"?

"Pizza By Uncle Hamid"?

So confused, this could even be made into a new cola brand.

(Caffeine beginning to wear off).

Cheers;

182 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:34:27am

#180
from your link:

ISNA reported the blaze started in the section set aside for women. Television said 20 of the dead were women.


"My mother and two sisters were inside and I do not know what happened to them," said a girl called Manizheh, sobbing.


Mohammad Sharifnia, a doctor, said many of the burns were caused by the quick-burning acrylic material used to make chadors. He saw many people with lacerations from broken glass. Others had broken legs after hurling themselves from high windows.

183 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:34:39am
184 deja vu  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:37:56am

#156 Brakes

It seems to me that these children are too young to be studying comparative religion at all.

I agree, but would go further and say that this subject should be taught only at tertiary level. I am suspicious of the real motives of those pushing comparative religion on children anyway. I would suggest it is, in reality, a Trojan Horse; indoctrination hiding under the cover of so-called 'tolerance' for all faiths but with a bias towards Islam. If that is not true, why isn't equal status and respect accorded to other faiths?
Comparative religion is (or should be) an academic study not a vehicle for proselytizing. Appending pbuh after Mohammed's name is a requirement for beliving Muslims only. It is outrageous that all should be required to give meaningless and hypocritical 'blessings' to someone they don't believe in.

185 crabtree  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:38:18am

#168 helloworld

Great link! The Holy Land starts in Chapter 41 with the arrival in Syria.

186 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:38:36am

A Democrat friend of mine, and soi-disant feminist, said to me, "What right do we have to object to the burkas? A lot of those women want to wear the burkas."

I was dumbfounded.

Many women in misogynist societies, esp. the moslem ones, which are the worst on the planet, actually look to the women in the West to help them throw off their chains. How bitterly disappointed they would be if they could hear my friend's callous remark.

I also think it's disgraceful that NOW and other women's rights orgs. have said NOTHING to celebrate the emancipation of millions of women in the ME by the good old US of A. Sod the lot.

187 Bill K.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:39:19am

Who would have thought that the British would leading the Europe in subjugating themselves to Islam? It seems like every week a new example of this humiliating submission surfaces.

At the rate they're going Britain will become another one of those pestiferous Islamic Republics by the end of the year.

188 deja vu  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:43:20am

#173 BabbaZee

All the dark in the world is not enough to extinguish even one light. But one light can extinguish all darkness.

Excellent post!

189 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:46:59am

#178 Lady of Shalott

In Census 2000, S.C. turned in the following--weekly churchgoers, 75% of the adult population. 94% of South Carolinians are Christians, and about 5% of those are RC. The rest, Protestant.


Similar figures for the Great State of Mississippi. Guess there's something to that 'American by birth, Southern by the Grace of God'.

190 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:49:57am

#188 deja vu

Thanks!

191 Mary in LA  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:51:17am

Submariner asked:

1) I know how to pronounce "pshaw" but how do you pronounce "pbuh?"

Well, I dunno about you, but I pronounce it "pee-boo."

Mohammed Pee-Boo.

Yup, that's about right.

192 Mary in LA  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:52:42am

Sorry, forgot to link to the original question.

#133 Submarinerasked...

193 Bill K.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:52:52am

How about this as the flag of the Islamic Republic of Britain:

The Union Jack with the large star and crescent moon of Islam on a green background right in the middle.

194 NY Nana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:56:46am

#165 Cato the Elder

For someone like Mohamed, I would be more tempted to add yemach shmo, or perhaps yemach shmo v'zichrono

The Hebrew is roughly equivalent to : may his name be obliterated, and is useful and appropriate also, when writing h***, peres, chumpsky, etc. A proviso: h*** is in a class by himself. No one in our history could ever even approach his evil, and I am not making light of the name I would never write out.

In Yiddish, we tend to be far more pithy, and some of the very best curses are Yiddish curses! These are mild, BTW. I can post a lot of others, but might bring the whole thread down! :)

195 Attaboid  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:58:34am

Are you allowed to save 'pbuh' as a keystroke macro? I need a ruling on this.

196 Idle Fellow  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:59:42am

I agree with the use of other meanings for (pbuh) - it's like the Catholic use of 'equivocation' during persecution.

e.g. St. Athanasius was asked "Have you seen Athanasius?", and responded "He is close to you!" so they continued on their way.

You're not lying!

Also, if they're going to use (pbuh) in Islam class, they could at least use A.D. and B.C. in Christian class, rather than CE and BCE.

197 Studsup  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:01:24am

"Pbuh" could just as easily stand for "pox be upon him".

198 Pronghorn  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:02:02am

#194 NY Nana, after many hours of laughing with lizards I don't feel cursed at all ? (read some of the curses from your link but got hung up on that one) Thanks!

199 paxnhymn  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:05:08am

Just think...

When and if Prince Charles EVER assumes the throne he will be , His Dhimmitude Al-Charles, Sultan of New Qatar


sheesh!

200 Tim in PA  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:05:46am

I have no problem including the "pbuh" when talking with or writing to a friend or aquaintance who is a Muslim -- I've known quite a few, with all the international students you get at large universities.

I don't even have a problem with professors advising the students in a comparative religion class that leaving it out will tweak Muslims.

But, I will NEVER put up with any person or organization telling me that I MUST use it. Especially not the my university or the state.

201 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:09:11am

An interesting morsel from the immortal (and funny) Mark Twain, in Innocents Abroad.

"We went out toward the north end of the city to see the place where the disciples let Paul down over the Damascus wall at dead of night--for he preached Christ so fearlessly in Damascus that the people sought to kill him, just as they would to-day for the same offense, and he had to escape and flee to Jerusalem.

"Then we called at the tomb of Mahomet's children and at a tomb which purported to be that of St. George who killed the dragon, and so on out to the hollow place under a rock where Paul hid during his flight till his pursuers gave him up; and to the mausoleum of the five thousand Christians who were massacred in Damascus in 1861 by the Turks.

"They say those narrow streets ran blood for several days, and that men, women and children were butchered indiscriminately and left to rot by hundreds all through the Christian quarter; they say, further, that the stench was dreadful. All the Christians who could get away fled from the city, and the Mohammedans would not defile their hands by burying the "infidel dogs." The thirst for blood extended to the high lands of Hermon and Anti-Lebanon, and in a short time twenty-five thousand more Christians were massacred and their possessions laid waste.

"How they hate a Christian in Damascus!--and pretty much all over Turkeydom as well. And how they will pay for it when Russia turns her guns upon them again!

"It is soothing to the heart to abuse England and France for interposing to save the Ottoman Empire from the destruction it has so richly deserved for a thousand years. It hurts my vanity to see these pagans refuse to eat of food that has been cooked for us; or to eat from a dish we have eaten from; or to drink from a goatskin which we have polluted with our Christian lips, except by filtering the water through a rag which they put over the mouth of it or through a sponge! I never disliked a Chinaman as I do these degraded Turks and Arabs, and when Russia is ready to war with them again, I hope England and France will not find it good breeding or good judgment to interfere."

202 Idle Fellow  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:10:00am

#193 Bill K

Sorry, the Union Jack couldn't be used in Eurabia - it's composed of three crosses - St. George's, St. Andrew's and St. Patrick's (IIRC).

I'd suggest a British lion, against a green background, with its tail between its legs.

203 Dov  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:10:37am

PBUH = Piss be upon him

204 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:11:14am

I'll be more than happy, I'll be ecstatic to show Islam that sort of respect just as soon as Muslims show that much respect for other religions. But the memory ringing in my ears right now is that of the Saudi leadership condeming terrorist by proclaiming that terrorists are just as bad as polytheists. That's showing some high quality respect for Hindus isn't it?

The moment all Muslim religious leaders proclaim a permanent truce with the rest of the world, no little hudnas, no more terrorism... That day I'll be happy to say "Peace be upon him" from dawn till dusk!

205 Thom  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:12:16am

#194 NY Nana

In Yiddish, we tend to be far more pithy, and some of the very best curses are Yiddish curses! These are mild, BTW. I can post a lot of others, but might bring the whole thread down! :)

That's never stopped anyone before! :)

206 el presidente'  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:14:27am

mohomed
P-Please
B-Be
U-Under
H-Hell

207 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:15:55am

More Twain, on Syria:

"Three or four hours out from Damascus we passed the spot where Saul was so abruptly converted, and from this place we looked back over the scorching desert, and had our last glimpse of beautiful Damascus, decked in its robes of shining green.

"After nightfall we reached our tents, just outside of the nasty Arab village of Jonesborough. Of course the real name of the place is El something or other, but the boys still refuse to recognize the Arab names or try to pronounce them. When I say that that village is of the usual style, I mean to insinuate that all Syrian villages within fifty miles of Damascus are alike--so much alike that it would require more than human intelligence to tell wherein one differed from another.

"A Syrian village is a hive of huts one story high (the height of a man,) and as square as a dry-goods box; it is mud-plastered all over, flat roof and all, and generally whitewashed after a fashion. The same roof often extends over half the town, covering many of the streets, which are generally about a yard wide.

"When you ride through one of these villages at noon-day, you first meet a melancholy dog, that looks up at you and silently begs that you won't run over him, but he does not offer to get out of the way; next you meet a young boy without any clothes on, and he holds out his hand and says "Bucksheesh!"--he don't really expect a cent, but then he learned to say that before he learned to say Mother, and now he can not break himself of it; next you meet a woman with a black veil drawn closely over her face, and her bust exposed; finally, you come to several sore-eyed children and children in all stages of mutilation and decay; and sitting humbly in the dust, and all fringed with filthy rags, is a poor devil whose arms and legs are gnarled and twisted like grape-vines. These are all the people you are likely to see.

"The balance of the population are asleep within doors, or abroad tending goats in the plains and on the hill-sides. The village is built on some consumptive little water-course, and about it is a little fresh-looking vegetation. Beyond this charmed circle, for miles on every side, stretches a weary desert of sand and gravel, which produces a gray bunchy shrub like sage-brush. A Syrian village is the sorriest sight in the world, and its surroundings are eminently in keeping with it.

"I would not have gone into this dissertation upon Syrian villages but for the fact that Nimrod, the Mighty Hunter of Scriptural notoriety, is buried in Jonesborough, and I wished the public to know about how he is located. Like Homer, he is said to be buried in many other places, but this is the only true and genuine place his ashes inhabit."

208 reader  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:20:21am

Muhammad was and always will be a

slaver
murderer
rapist
terrorist
pedophile
pirate thief
liar extraordinaire
genocidal killer and warmonger
plagarist (and a god-awful storyteller)
woman hater
Arab supremacist (against race, ethnicity, and religion)

209 Spiny Norman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:20:24am

#202 Idle Fellow

I'd suggest a British lion, against a green background, with its tail between its legs.

So sad, so true.

That thumping you hear is Sir Winston spinning in his grave.

210 Spiny Norman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:21:26am

Does anyone have any idea how many fatwas this thread has earned?

=^D

211 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:22:26am

. It hurts my vanity to see these pagans refuse to eat of food that has been cooked for us; or to eat from a dish we have eaten from; or to drink from a goatskin which we have polluted with our Christian lips, except by filtering the water through a rag which they put over the mouth of it or through a sponge!

It's a shame that our progressives who claim to be continuing the work of the generation that fought Jim Crow and other biggotry in our society turn full on lying pretense to ignore the fact that our problems with the Muslim world are rooted in the contempt, biggotry and hatred they level toward us.

How did it get to be that some prejudice is to be respected and protected?

212 OddsOn  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:24:38am

#210 Spiny

Oh, I supposed we could figure that out, but who really cares?!

213 Spiny Norman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:24:46am

The worst thing is, is that there are all those British soldiers and airmen putting their lives on the line, while back in jolly old England, politicians and bureaucrats are more than willing to surrender without a shot.

214 grayp  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:24:53am

#204 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar

I really couldn't decide which part(s) of your post to excerpt to make my contrary point, so please bear with me.

If facism in the guise of Nazi Germany had agreed to back off its expansionist lebensraum policy and to "show respect" for socialism and capitalism, would you greet a German who entered the room by coming to your feet, giving the Nazi salute, and speaking the words "Heil Hitler"?

My guess is that you would not. I could speculate/hypothosize more, but I don't want to "put words in your mouth". I would appreciate your response, tho'.

215 montanapatriot  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:27:37am

#73 On the Mark

If we should ever "rescue" Europe again, then IMO we should never again relinquish Europe. KEEP it...so we never again have to save their butts.

216 el presidente'  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:28:00am

#207,

Mark Twain painted a picture with words, like Churchill, they both knew how the muslim world was a scurge on the earth.

217 Spiny Norman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:28:21am

#212 OddsOn

*knock, knock*

Hey! There's an infinite number of fatwas out there wanting to discuss this script for Hamlet they've written!


(apologies to Douglas Adams)

218 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:28:26am

I am sure the threads at Charles' blog are monitored by many who have no love for him or his posters. :)
I do hope we cause extreme emotional reactions when reading the comments posted to the articles published here. It would be really nice to know, that cases of uber bleeding ulcers along with mighty migraine headaches have been inherited by those who monitor.

219 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:29:28am

214 grayp

Well since it will take a century or more before to tame Islam, there's no danger of me saying pbuh any time soon.

Ultimately the problem is Islam is simple. Those poor people think God has commanded them to be at war with the rest of the world. It's really that simple. They're not going to all change their minds about God's intentions and I'm not going to be praising Mohammad any time soon.

220 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:30:55am

I meant to write "Ultimately the problem with Islam is simple. "

Still I refuse to preview. Preview get the behind me!

221 montanapatriot  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:31:18am

#216 el presidente

So did Will Durant.

222 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:31:42am

Ever notice that Dhimmi rhymes with TIMMY! ?

223 grayp  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:31:44am

#219 Joshua

Well since it will take a century or more before to tame Islam, there's no danger of me saying pbuh any time soon.

Dang. And here I was looking for a good argument!

224 PDM  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:31:48am

#210 Spiny Norman,

Does anyone have any idea how many fatwas this thread has earned?

=^D

Hard to tell, but there's always room for one more.
Prophet of
Bloodsuckers
Upon
Humanity

225 moonsbreath  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:33:48am

I could have sworn that PBUH was a brand of peanut butter. Oh nuts!

226 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:35:00am

quark2: I have my doubts that we're monitored by many.
Do you supposed that there are intellegence services who have people whoes monitoring assignments include reading all the posts on LGF?

That sort of gathering would sure be a cushy job. I want the job of scouring Penthouse's letters section for possible intelligence material.

227 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:35:49am

Excuse me, but Mohammed S---s the big We--ie in H---.

228 PDM  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:36:16am

#225 moonsbreath,

I could have sworn that PBUH was a brand of peanut butter. Oh nuts!

Peanut Butter Upon Him

229 reader  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:38:29am

[from #208] I left out torturer and wifebeater. Hey, nobody's perfect.

230 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:38:42am

I don't have cable anymore. Has South Park taken Islam on yet? Or don't they have the guts?

231 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:41:22am

@215 montanapatriot


Nah...next time let's leave the whole of it like we left Dresden.
Let em sort through the rubble and dust for what's left of any value.
They'll be so busy trying to survive, they won't for many years
have the luxury they have now to be soft, flabby liars.

232 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:41:57am

#229 reader

Are there actual reports of Mohammad beating his wives?

That might be the detail that broke the camels back in progressiveland!

233 Bilgeman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:42:28am

#186 Lady of Shalott:

"A Democrat friend of mine, and soi-disant feminist, said to me, "What right do we have to object to the burkas? A lot of those women want to wear the burkas."


Think of all the unhappy transvestites there'd be...that insensitive bee-yotch!

Tell her the burkha makes her ass look fat.

Regards;

234 Thom  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:44:40am

#230 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar

They had The Profit in an episode where various religious figures were part of some Justice League. They made fun of Saddam Hussein and ObL.

That's about it, IIRC.

235 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:45:06am

#228

Peanut Butter Upon Him

Yes, that's how they got the rats to swarm in the movie Willard.

236 Thom  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:47:30am

Hell, they turned Moses into a giant spinning Cosmic Dreidel, fer cryin' out loud! But mohammed (piss be upon him)?

Nah. They'll take a pass.

237 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:48:49am

233 Bilgeman

Well when the Arabs tried to prevent the creation of Israel, there are reports of Arab troups dressing up as women so they could sneek up on Israeli troups.

Of course it was the Israelis who got the bad rap for shooting at women for that bit of perfidy.

But Arabs never follow the rules of war, then or now AFAIK

238 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:49:55am
I could have sworn that PBUH was a brand of peanut butter.


That's ackshully how it's pronounced south of the Mason/Dixon line.

239 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:51:10am

@226 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar


*LOL!

What I really meant is by the other side...you know arabby apoligists and toiletpaper terrorists.

240 Spiny Norman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:52:34am

#229 reader

[from #208] I left out torturer and wifebeater.

And father-raper!

This is starting to sound like Arlo Guthrie's Alice's Restaurant.

;^)

241 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:57:55am

#239 quark2

Well the other side has intelligence services too.

242 pilgrim shadow  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 11:58:42am

Speaking of dhimmitude...Nowak had a great cartoon about European appeasement last week.

243 Idle Fellow  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:00:56pm

Here's my entry in the contest for new UK flag:

[Link: www.idlefellows.com...]

Rough description: Field vert, with sanguine lion passant under argent estoile and crescent, motto underneath.

244 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:04:47pm

@241

Ummm..this is true.

245 transferthem  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:07:39pm

Personally, I like to refer to 'mohammedpig' and spit when its name is mentioned. Treat islam for what it is - a genocidal death cult, a cesspool of intolerance.

246 wermysted  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:08:08pm

In my RK (Religious Knowledge) classes in England (many years ago, well before the BLLLairite party came to power) no one listened anyway. Most kids were openly agnostic or outright athiest or spent the lesson listing to music, talking or generally d**king around... and I went to a great school where we had to go to Church every Sunday without fail.

I am sure there are plenty of alternate phrases floating around English Schools that purport to make up "pbuh".

247 Zack  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:10:35pm

Whoever would voluntarily allow this deserves the plague of psychotic throat-slitting jihadis they have invited upon themselves.

248 montanapatriot  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:26:21pm

#231 Quark 2

Okay, but let's salt it, e.g., Carthage.

249 Megan  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:26:43pm

I always thought "pbuh" was pronounced like your spitting.
Primitive Bloodthirsty Ugly Haters

250 Megan  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:28:57pm

What happens if a student doesn't write it? Will they be arrested under the Islamic Supremacy Act (the one that says they can't "offend" any religion- any religion meaning just Muslims, not Christians and Jews)

251 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:35:57pm

@248

Good enough, make them scrabble even harder.

252 Goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:39:49pm

I asked my husband, who went to an English grammar school (when they actually were competitive) and earned his masters and doctorate from Oxford for his reaction.

He explained that he could never repeat that as an oath because it is contrary to his faith, but he was pragmatic and honest enough to admit that he would be willing to write it on an exam if that was what was required to get the grade.

I could never do it, grade be damned [this, by the way, is the essential difference between the English and Americans]. I would get around it by never mentioning his name. Instead I would write, "The founder of Islam" or something similar.

I wonder how the exam board would react to "...whom some now believe was the antiChrist..."

Please don't attack my husband as a coward--he is anything but.

253 Idle Fellow  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:45:36pm

Actually, there's nothing really contrary to the tenets of Christianity to wish peace upon Mohammed.

254 Aisha  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:48:13pm

ULULULULLULULULULUL!

But this is not enough.

One day, insh'allah, the teachers will teach the students how to Islamically pluck or shave their hind and front private parts.

It is also important that the schools separate the girls from the boys.

Also, I recall that there is a school in California that has its students fast for the holy month of Ramadhaan, and describe their feelings as "Muslims" performing the Haaj. I think that they could do this in the same in the UK schools and that this is a positive development.

We could also teach the halal slaughter of animals and infidels. Although I've heard that PETA gets very upset about Kosher butchers, they don't get so upset about Halal butchers, because Allah Ta'ala commands us not to stand for any of that!

What about the correct way to fling rocks at homos and adulterers? Are we sending a generation of students out into the world without that essential knowledge?

Allahu Akhbar!

255 Barbara Skolaut  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:49:14pm

Instead of pbuh, would fhatchrio do?

[in case you can't figure it out, you know what the "f" stands for. The "c" stands for "camel."]

These people are beyond fucking idiots.

256 David  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:51:57pm
Actually, there's nothing really contrary to the tenets of Christianity to wish peace upon Mohammed.

I must confess that I like that fresco in the Florence cathedral - you know the one - satan leading Muhummed into hell. Boy does that get 'em steamed up!

I think Dali painted something on this theme too.

257 Thom  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:56:16pm

#252 Goddessoftheclassroom

A coward? Maybe not. Unimaginative, uninventive, submissive? Definitely.

#253 Idle Fellow

You mean as the obssessive-compulsive personality disorder displayed by moslems?

Please. It's nothing more than idolatry.

258 montanapatriot  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:07:17pm

#256 David

" must confess that I like that fresco in the Florence cathedral - you know the one - satan leading Muhummed into hell. Boy does that get 'em steamed up!"

Ohhh no...kiss that fresco good-bye !

259 DP111  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:09:28pm

Had a lovely meal with an excellent Australian red, it being Val day and all that. So with relaxed contentment, I though I would take a peek in LGF.

THIS IS absolutely ghastly. I cannot even think straight, on how to write to OCR at the moment. Indeed letters have to be sent to the PM and the Education Secretary.

One of the main weapons that Islamists have against us in the West, is ignorance of islam. This ignorance is particularly manifest in administrators in education. All they know about islam is what they have been told by islamists practising Taqqiya. It is these administrators, who in a fit of Political Correctness, or trying to be fair, bow to islamic pleas of the sort that we see today. A similar instance is here

Texas: Students attend CAIR conference on Islam

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

The idea of allowing CAIR to proseltyze among impressionable young Catholic schoolgirls, leaves me feeling cold with dread. I thought this was the worst case of dhimmitude until this idiocy by OCR.

Sincere thanks to all LGFers who have written, or intend to write to OCR about this astounding piece of dhimmitude. I'm so grateful that LGF and Jihad/Dhimmi Watch, are making us aware of the threat that we all face, particularly the threat to Britain.

We will win this war, even though it appears particularly dark at the moment, as there are really no other options. And when we do, it will be in no small measure due to Charles, Daniel and Robert.

260 Goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:13:01pm

Thoms

Submissive? Hardly. No more so than Henri IV, as in Paris is Worth a Mass or Macchiavelli, the Ends Justify the Means.

I rephrased the questions and asked him what would he do if our KIDS had to write that? Ah, now that was a different response completely.

261 David  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:16:07pm
Ohhh no...kiss that fresco good-bye !

Actually, the Italian police are forever uncovering Muslim plots to blow it up or deface it. Just a matter of time, I suppose!

262 Richard N  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:21:42pm

Is it possible to "inscribe" the Idiotarian of the Year award with "pbuh"?

Maybe we say "pbuh" every time we say "Micheal Moore", pbuh or "Jimmy Carter", pbuh.

Of course, in the best of western liberal tradition, the exact meaning of "pbuh" will be left to the individual.

Just thinking out loud here...

263 daughter of patriots  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:24:59pm

#523 Idle Fellow:

3 "You shall have no other gods before [a] me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments. -Exodus 20:3-4
264 daughter of patriots  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:26:59pm

PIMF - sorry, Idle Fellow #253. I've got typing dyslexia!

265 Idle Fellow  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:28:37pm

#256, #257

Seriously, I think Christian charity would allow us to pray for peace for our enemies.

Furthermore, we can't be sure that Mohammed isn't in heaven - maybe he converted on his deathbed ... you never know.

It's only God's place to judge someone, all we can really say is that things don't look good for him, and if he did repent, (as a Catholic) I'd say he'd be in purgatory a looong time.

266 Thom  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:29:30pm

#265 Idle Fellow

You chose your nick well.

267 Richard N  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:29:50pm

#194 - NY Nanna:
I don't think #15 on the Yiddish curse list is really a curse. Sounds like a blessing to me ;o) Maybe a rotating quote?

268 John B  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:37:11pm

Re: 139 Babbazee

You got me there. Very much a LOL. Thanks.

269 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:10:47pm
270 Edward  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:19:05pm

#256 David

Dante had a go at him, too. Inferno, canto xxviii:

22 No barrel, not even one where the hoops and staves go
Every which way, was ever split open like one frayed
Sinner I saw, ripped from chin to where we fart below.

25 His guts hung between his legs and displayed
His vital organs, including that wretched sack
Which converts to shit whatever gets conveyed

28 Down the gullet. As I stared at him he looked back
And with his hands pulled his chest open,
Saying, "See how I split open the crack

31 In myself! See how twisted and broken
Mohammed is! Before me walks Ali, his face
Cleft from chin to crown, grief–stricken.

34 All the others you see in this place
Sowed scandal and schism when they were alive,
And thus are now split wide. Each time we pace

37 Around this sad, painful road we arrive
Back at the devil who slices us up once more;
Each one of this mob has just enough time to revive

40 Himself and close up his gaping wounds before
He's subject again to that blade's cruel rip.

(from this site: [Link: home.earthlink.net...] )

271 Spiny Norman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:20:11pm

#265 Idle Fellow

Seriously, I think Christian charity would allow us to pray for peace for our enemies.

Of course, hate the sin, not the sinner. As long as it is voluntary, but I take issue with it being obligitory-- when "Inshallah" becomes part of the curriculum, I think we can safely assume England is doomed.

BTW, what's to stop a student looking to make a statement from putting (phuh) after the name of Paul, or any of the other Apostles, or after Moses or David, and so on?

272 Idle Fellow  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:40:34pm

#266 Thom

Thanks :-)

#271 Spiny Norman

Yes, I see your point about the compulsory aspect of it. That should be protested.

Nevertheless, Christians shouldn't feel any qualms about pbuhing if they do it in the right frame of mind.

I just reread Shusaku Endo's 'Silence' where a priest in Japan is made to stamp on an image of Christ in order to prevent the suffering of his followers ... it's your intent that makes it a sin.

BTW, did you like my flag design (#243)?

273 OC Chuck  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:43:10pm

Maybe they needed the students to use the letters "pbuh" because they kept misspelling or misprounouncing "peace."

Especially if you say it fast.

It might sound like "piss" or "peas" or something. And that just wouldn't do.

274 endotoxin  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:52:31pm

Reminds me of a theology professor I had my freshman year. She was a feminist and insisted we refer to God in our writings and speech as "he/she." I refused and turned ot just fine. I sure as hell would do the same if someone was to dictate to me that I had to bless Mohammed.

275 Bar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:06:04pm

While Christians live for the truth,
Moslems and everyone on the bus with them, die for a lie.

Mohammad is in hell right! What good does a blessing do him?

Beelzebub does not allow his subjects to be blessed.

276 reader  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:12:29pm

#232 Joshua,

I'm looking. Here's what the Koran says:

Sûrah al Nisa 4:34
"As for those women on whose part ye fear rebellion (nushuz), admonish them and banish them to beds apart, (and last) beat (adriboo) them. Then, if they obey you, seek not a way against them."

Muslims say he didn't practice this. I guess after all that raping and pillaging, murdering and slaving, stealing and thieving, rading and destroying, torturing and killing, lying and conniving, womanizing and marrying (29 wives?), he may not have had much time in his 23-year run to do much wifebeating. Then again, Muhammad didn't always follow what was written in his religion. So much for role models gone bad (does that sound like a new home video series?).

277 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:41:36pm
278 Catttt  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:46:15pm

259

The idea of allowing CAIR to proseltyze among impressionable young Catholic schoolgirls, leaves me feeling cold with dread.

Maybe some of the girls are like me (I'm sure some are) - I was so unimpressionable, I lasted one month in Catholic school before being transferred (thank God) to public school. To be fair, our nun was really unusually mean. Actually, I'll bet she'd hand CAIR their ass, if they got in her face.

279 Flanstein  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:12:29pm

And here I thought it was PISS Be Upon Him...

280 The Bruce  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:18:20pm

Poitiers-Lepanto:
A little drop of poison every day.
The patient doesn't feel anything.
Every day.
Any reaction will be "exaggeration", and "poisonphobia".

---

Exactly--and despite so many knowing the enemy's strategy, we hae been unable to stop them from succeeding--in Eurabia and in the US too.

The violence that's coming to the West is going to dwarf the Second World War. As other LGF'ers have warned, those who are not armed and trained had better do so as soon as possible.

281 Eric Blair  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 5:44:41pm
All injustice begins in the mind. And anomalies accustom the mind to unreason and untruth. Suppose I had by some pre-historic law the power of forcing every man in Battersea to nod his head three times before he got out of bed. The practical politicians might say this power was a harmless anomaly; that it was not a grievance. It could do my subjects no harm; it could do me no good. The people of Battersea, they would say, might safely submit to it. But the people of Battersea could not safely submit to it, for all that. If I had nodded their heads for them for fifty years I could cut off their heads for them at the end of it with immeasurably greater ease. For there would have permanently sunk into every man’s mind the notion that it was a natural thing for me to have a fantastic and irrational power. They would have grown accustomed to insanity.
-G.K.Chesterton 3/10/1906

...or instead of nodding the head, appending "pbuh" to the Holy Name of the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.

282 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:17:52pm

Wonder if exam-takers will be required to call Jews apes and dogs, too.

Creeping dhimmitude...

283 DocDale  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:23:11pm

AMDG

For the non-catholics, that's ad majorem dei gloriam. To the Greater Glory of God. Written on the top of every examination paper and assignment in many Australian catholic schools.

When Islam shows equivalent respect for every other religion, I'll happily do it for Mohammed.

/Loud rumbling noise as a large flock of pigs flies overhead.

Worryingly, Charles' link to Holford's site no longer works ('file not found'), and his entire site appears to be down.

Interesting.

Kind regards.

284 Roger  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:33:52pm

#282 The Sanity Inspector, they have to; to show their submission to allah:-)

285 Arabic Maven  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:00:45pm

Dear Charles,
The Arabic "sign" that appears next to "Muhammad" [UPDATE at 2/14/05
9:33:06 am] is the saying "salla 'llahu 'alayhi wa-sallam[a]", which
means "May God pray for him and grant him peace." It is
used exclusively after mention of Muhammad's name. The English
abbreviation "p.b.u.h,"which stands for "peace be upon him," is not the
translation of the Arabic phrase above. Rather, it is the translation
of the phrase "'alayhi 's-salaam," which does mean "peace be upon him,"
and which is used after "normal" dead people are referenced (i.e., not
after Muhammad is mentioned). It is the equivalent of the Hebrew "'alav
ha-shalom," which is , likewise, often used after mention is made of
someone who has died. While the phrase "'alayhi 's-salaam" could,
conceivably be used in a pro forma fashion, as a sign of respect, it is
not conceivable that someone would utter the phrase "salla 'llahu
'alayhi wa-sallam[a]"without being seen as voicing some [deep]
religious conviction. That non-Muslim students of Islam [who, I am
sure, are not all volunteering to be students of that religion, but
find they are forced to learn its details] are being coerced into
giving voice to Muslim religious sentiments, and, further, are being
deceived as to the precise translation and nature of what they are
pronouncing, is horrifying, outrageous, and contemptible. While no
Muslim student or teacher should be penalized for including additional
Muslim sentiments [as prescribed by Muslim law or custom], whether in
Arabic letters, in transliteration, or in [accurate] translation, it is
not reasonable to expect--let alone demand--that any non-Muslim, or even
irreligious Muslim, espouse, in writing or otherwise, such clearly
religious Muslim sentiments.
When the demand is made of Muslim students of Judaism in Britain to add "a'h" [i.e., "'alav
ha-shalom,"] after writing "Moses" [who is, after all, a recognized prophet in Islam],
or the equivalent expression after mention of Jesus [likewise a prophet according to Muslims], then maybe we can redirect outrage to other symptoms of dhimmitude.

286 Idle Fellow  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:50:02pm

#285 ... Arabic Maven, so a charitable reading of events could be that whoever prepared the specimen exam used a statement of Islamic faith rather than the 'pro forma' pbuh, which seems analogous to "R.I.P."

(it might be a bit early to assume that the intent is everywhere to use "salla 'llahu 'alayhi wa-sallam[a]" under the mistranslated guise of peace be upon him)

287 hector  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 9:38:49pm

#201 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

God Bless Mark Twain.

It is good to see that islam was recognised for what it was then - Winston Churchill also made some rather sharp observations on the inadequacy of that cult and it's languid unachieving followers.

UK obviously has been inflicted by PC influences recently but attitudes go full circle and when the population of this country realises how much piss is being taken then the resulting actions will be swift and decisive.

By the way is there a proper islamic way to pick your nose?

288 hector  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 10:53:41pm

#120 Thom

Well done Thom - you got Winston Churchill's opinion of islam!

289 jetziger  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:58:22am

Blair is already a convert - note the anti-Semitic publicity against Michael Howard and Oliver Letwin.

290 Darwin Akbar  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 5:15:01am

I have a new suggested blessing for the Prophet for use in the U.K. and elsewhere:

FHATCHRIO

which translates as "F- Him and the Camel He Rode In On."

291 D.C. Watson  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 6:06:28am

PBUH?

Pedophilic Bigoted, Undermining of Humankind


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