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-RetweetThe Anti-American Academy: Robert Jensen

Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 2:08:02 pm PST

Robert Jensen is a journalism professor at the University of Texas at Austin. He says the United States is a depraved criminal nation bent on dominating the world, and Ward Churchill is right.

Ward Churchill is right about 9/11.

I state that bluntly, even though I disagree with some aspects of the University of Colorado professor’s now-infamous essay, because so many (including some on the left) have defended his First Amendment rights while either remaining silent about, or condemning, the article’s analysis.

So, for the record: The main thesis Churchill put forward in “’Some People Push Back’: On the Justice of Roosting Chickens” is an accurate account of the depravity of U.S. foreign policy and its relationship to terrorism. Later I’ll return to my disagreements, but at a moment when right-wing forces have targeted not only Churchill but academic freedom and the left in general, it is more important than ever to stand firm on that point.

Malcolm X was correct, and it was appropriate for Churchill to quote him: Chickens do, indeed, come home to roost. And whether U.S. citizens want to acknowledge it or not, there likely will be chickens heading our way for years to come.

I take Churchill’s central thesis to be that (1) U.S. crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and war crimes around the world — from the genocidal campaigns against indigenous people on which this country was founded, through the post-World War II assaults (both by the U.S. military and through proxy forces) on the people of the Third World — are crimes, in legal and moral terms; (2) while contemporary non-state terrorism is a complex phenomenon, U.S. policies aimed at domination and control around the world are one of several key factors in spawning such terrorism; and (3) we must study that history and those connections if we want to prevent further crimes, whether committed by the United States or against U.S. citizens.

I also take a core assertion of Churchill’s essay to be that we citizens of the U.S. empire bear some collective responsibility for those crimes, depending on our level of power and privilege, and our capacity for resistance. As Churchill explained recently, he includes himself in that category, not as a perpetrator but as a member of movements that have failed to stop the crimes (just as I would include myself). Further, those people at the top of the power pyramid must accept their responsibility for those crimes, even if they are not directly involved in the planning and execution of specific criminal acts. The technocrats “at the very heart of America’s global financial empire” which U.S. policy serves, he wrote, are not innocent. (More later on how to understand the boundaries of that category.)

In case you missed it, he is a journalism professor. This is how he feels about the country that has provided him with a privileged, comfortable lifestyle, and this is what he’s teaching college-level journalism students.

He says Ward Churchill was showing his love when he called the murdered victims of 9/11 “little Eichmanns.”

For me, left politics — resistance to unjust impositions of authority and the struggle for a sustainable world that balances a deep yearning for individual freedom and a deep sense of responsibility for each other — is fueled by anger at the world as it exists, along with a love for people and an appreciation for the beauty of the non-human world. That righteous anger is powerful, as long as it does not slip into self-righteousness and stays in balance with that love. We can be glib about that struggle, but in reality the tension — inside of each of us and inside our movements — is not always easy to cope with. I wrestle with it every day.

Dorothy Day of the Catholic Worker Movement was fond of quoting a line from Dostoevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov: “Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing compared with love in dreams.” In the essay he wrote on 9/11, I believe Churchill was facing those harsh and dreadful realities, and I believe that essay was his attempt on that day to take love out of the realm of dreams and make it real in the world, in action.

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1 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:10:38pm

There's plenty more professors where this one's from.

2 noshariaincanada  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:10:49pm

gasp!

3 traveler  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:10:55pm

Okay, let's add UT-Austin to the list of moonbat farms...

4 pjammer  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:11:16pm

Good lord what an idiot. Love? LOVE!?

5 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:12:03pm

This was the guy on the Medved program right before the interview with Charles awhile back, right? (The one where many of us got to listen to Charles while writing in a topic here about it.)

This Jensen guy makes most barking moonbats look sane.

6 lancekates  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:12:06pm

I don't think he would like it if his family members died. but people of his ilk have a complete double standard.

"common folk' are evil people who deserve whatever drivel they get... but not my family and I... we're so totally different.


blah. maybe his 'little buddy' will fall off, and he'll still blame the evils of america.

7 bouzouki  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:12:44pm

Chickens do, indeed, come home to roost.

I always preferred my chickens to come home to roast.

8 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:13:19pm

Is anyone actually surprised at this stuff anymore?

9 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:14:25pm

#8 Cato the Elder
No. Just pissed off!

10 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:14:37pm

This Jensen guy should go find terrorists in Badgdad to hug.

They could have a party together and everyone would end up happy.

I'm sure someone would collect this Jensen guy's head when it was over.

11 Victor  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:14:53pm

"I love you, now die."

12 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:15:02pm

Let's not be McCarthytes now.

Otherwise we will get another fifty years of COMMIE DICTATORSHIP in the Universities and the media.

Let's try to do better than the Sen.

The spiders are out of their holes.

13 Adamski  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:16:04pm

What's the name of that in-the-works documentary that exposes all these professors as the US-hating leftists that they are?

14 FreakyBoy  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:16:10pm

I must live in a parallel universe America. I sure don't live in the one these guys do.

15 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:16:21pm
For me, left politics — resistance to unjust impositions of authority and the struggle for a sustainable world that balances a deep yearning for individual freedom and a deep sense of responsibility for each other — is fueled by anger at the world as it exists, along with a love for people and an appreciation for the beauty of the non-human world. That righteous anger is powerful, as long as it does not slip into self-righteousness and stays in balance with that love. We can be glib about that struggle, but in reality the tension — inside of each of us and inside our movements — is not always easy to cope with. I wrestle with it every day.

Dorothy Day of the Catholic Worker Movement was fond of quoting a line from Dostoevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov: “Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing compared with love in dreams.” In the essay he wrote on 9/11, I believe Churchill was facing those harsh and dreadful realities, and I believe that essay was his attempt on that day to take love out of the realm of dreams and make it real in the world, in action.

Reading this makes me very thankful I never spent any time following the Greatful Dead around dropping Acid all the time - or I might be writing confused bullshit like this in support of theocratic terrorism...

16 godfrey  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:16:48pm

Robert Jensen, Anti-American Idol

17 RoughRider  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:16:56pm
Okay, let's add UT-Austin to the list of moonbat farms...

Add? What do you mean "add"?

Austin is literally a Moonbat Haven in a state of relative sanity.

18 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:17:08pm
Robert Jensen is a journalism professor at the University of Texas at Austin.

Robert Jensen is a world class idiot. He has written columns for the Houston Chronicle for years. Believe me, this defense of Ward Churchill comes as no surprise to anyone remotely familiar with his work.

19 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:17:14pm

#8 Cato the Elder

Not really.

But there's nothing quite as satisfying as exposing another moonbat professor, after all, they are the ones who poison future generations.

20 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:17:16pm

"You chose your place in the class struggle. Now tip your head back, this won't hurt a bit."

21 TMF  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:17:21pm

One can only hope that his ultimate death is the result of a protracted and extremely agonizing disease, and/or terrorist attack.

22 Terrye  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:17:36pm

Chickens come home to roost, unless of course you have tenure. In which case you can be a hate mongering asshole and get paid for it.

What do they want? We abandon Israel;? Privitize major corporations? Shut down the military? What?

23 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:18:43pm

By the way I just heard Juan Cole interviewed as part of a News of the Iraq elections blurb. And so it goes.

24 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:18:43pm

And this brain-dead moron is one of the reasons why the MSM is traveling to the Far Left at Warp Speed, and why most Americans are starting to reject their 'objectivity' as nothing more than bias and political partisonship of the worst form. Let the moonbat bark his views and even more Americans will wake up to the dictatorial nature of their 'progressism'. Another Professor that would have made Papa Joe Stalin very proud.

25 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:19:01pm

The last lines of the quotation mean that the attacks of 9/11 have been an act of love ?
Is the guy a supporter of terrorism ?

He has a First right to say it and I have a First right to ask for his head.

26 Sol Roth  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:20:30pm

This anti-american, communist-progressive is a Texan-in-name-only. He, like many communist-progressives infesting Austin, are why REAL Texans will not live there voluntarily.

REAL Texans are individualists, not anti-american communists.

27 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:20:50pm

#25 Poitiers-Lepanto

The last lines of the quotation mean that the attacks of 9/11 have been an act of love ?

Exactly what the skanky Manson chicks said about cutting the baby out of Sharon Tate, a statement which was echoed by now PROFFESOR Bernardine Dohrn.

Evil is as evil does, Forrest!

28 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:20:50pm

Folks, there's this University of Illinois Law Professor by the name of Francis Boyle and this is what he has to say:

We should all recall how Muhamed Ali and other Black leaders educated us all to understand the racist nature of the Vietnam War. Well Whitey is at it again. This time Whitey is exterminating Brown people in Iraq in order to steal their oil.


[Link: www.counterpunch.org...]

29 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:21:07pm

#20 Who Watches the Watchmen?

What an attitude, don't you know that beheadings are part of "the circle of life!"

I command you to watch your Disney indoctrination film until you get it!

30 Bubbaman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:22:13pm

I think that the chicken metaphor is very apropos. It describes these so called "intellectuals" very precisely. While they hide in their academic ivory towers making pronouncements, we the common folk struggle to survive -living our lives guided by a code of morality and justice.

These trust-fund, 60's style dope-heads need to be taken down.

31 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:22:20pm

Really there weren't many moonbat professors in the Department of Petroleum and Geosystems Engineering.


However, I will admit what I could see publicly of the J-school was The Deadly Toxin, and it slanted further left than Dan Rather on a bender, but we weren't all moonbats.

Although I do recall the kerfuffle when the English Department wanted to replace the required freshmen composition class (which I tested out of, thankfully) with a class called "Oppression Studies". It never did happen.


I got drunk a lot in Austin 1989-1996.

32 jlfintx  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:22:26pm

Then again, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

33 BigDana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:22:34pm

#22 -- They want ALL of those choices you presented -- ALL of them -- at the very least. We're supposed to be feeling so guilty about all the wonderful things America is, that we'll surrender them all.

I'm not quite ready to do that, though; bet you're not, either.

34 JDGooseman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:22:36pm

I just found the best site. You all need to go read it in its entirity. It is a site of non-muslim(infidel) FAQ about Islam.

Some of my favorite lines are:

Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. Whenever such an anti-social element sees a Muslim, he should be terrified. It is true that the word ‘terrorist’ is generally used for a person who causes terror among the common people. But a true Muslim should only be a terrorist to selective people i.e. anti-social elements, and not to the common innocent people. In fact a Muslim should be a source of peace for innocent people.

and

It is mentioned in chapter 3 verse 52 of Al-Qur’an that Jesus (pbuh) was a Muslim.

Further, in chapter 3 verse 67, Al-Qur’an says that Ibrahim (pbuh) was not a Jew or a Christian but was a Muslim.

Read it all here.

35 jwpaine  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:22:44pm

What am I--chopped liver?

36 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:22:48pm

#23 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar

Boy, am I glad Jonah decided to let that one go.

37 rosh  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:23:27pm

Why can't these haters just move to any other country on earth and do their hating from there? I'd even let my taxes go towards a small absorption basket just to get them the hell out of here. Cause I'm generous that way.
Bring on the big academic brain drain. Please.

38 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:24:11pm

#30 Bubbaman

I think that the chicken metaphor is very apropos.

This was originally Malcolm X's line in reference to the Kennedy assasination. Not only are these subsequent statements evil, they are unoriginal...

39 2X4 wielder  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:24:14pm

Garçon! ... Bring me the LGF house special. I'd like my Robert Jensen well-done please. If he is still pink inside when he is served, I am sending him back. Oh, and hold the moonbat sauce. It gives me gas.

40 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:24:20pm

I told you guys :
it is the the Univ. of Texas at Austin (where this traitor works) that has the largest archive in the world about the "autonomous marxism", a particular trend of commies from which the Red Brigades stemmed.

Now I know who can have gathered that archive.

The puzzle is getting simple.

41 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:25:10pm

Is anybody seriously surprised that this POS is a journalism professor?

42 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:25:25pm
43 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:25:29pm

36 hm

Jonah ?

44 brent  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:25:41pm

I'm sorry, professor? Will this be on the test?

I mean, the journalism test, just in case the mescaline has totally kicked in.

Really - what in his journalism background empowers him for this rant, short of years of being immersed in hate. The genocidal campaign against the Indians? I'm more Indian that Churchill, and I don't hate us for that. Great Grandma, Native American, is long since over that.

Stick to teaching hiding bias - that's really gone downhill of late.

45 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:27:06pm
46 ted  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:27:13pm

As i said, now that the blogs have gutted the MSM, the propoganda spewing,neo-nazi islamofacist loving, terrorist pimping gulags known as "American Universities" are the next battleground...

47 pat  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:27:14pm

The moonbats rally. And in doing so demonstrate that they are idiots who have not heard or read a single word the Muslims have uttered. Fire his ass.

48 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:27:16pm

Well, Jensen thinks 9-11 was a bad idea. Not because the bond traders and stock brokers didn't deserve to die for their crimes against humanity, but because the attacks won't change the world.

But whatever one's analysis of that Eichmann-ness quotient, there's still a sentence in Churchill's piece that troubles me: "If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I'd really be interested in hearing about it." It's hard to read that as anything other than an endorsement of the use of deadly force against all those involved in "the mighty engine of profit' to which the military dimension of U.S. policy has always been enslaved," apparently at the level of stock traders and above. Many have condemned Churchill for this and suggested this comment was obviously crazy. I do not think it's that simple. If an economic and political system callously destroys human life around the world -- as corporate capitalism and fanatical U.S. nationalism do -- in a fashion not always visible to many in the system, what will change that morally unacceptable state of affairs? Is violence justified in the face of such a system? If so, what kind of violence can actually bring a more just world?

I am not a pacifist; I believe there are times and places in which the use of violence to prevent a greater violence or end deeply rooted oppression is morally justified. Certainly many of the revolutionary movements that struggled against colonialism met that test. The decisions one makes in such situations are neither simple nor easy.

But I think it is clear that the attacks of 9/11 don't meet the test. Can anyone imagine a scenario in which such attacks have a reasonable chance of leading to real justice in the world?

49 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:27:19pm

Charles et al,

remember our old "friend" Red Ken Livingstone and his Nazi prison guard jibe at a Jewish reporter the other day?

Well, he's not apologizing, quite the contrary:

"I could apologise but why should I say words I do not believe in my heart?

"Therefore I cannot. If that is something people find they cannot accept I am sorry but this is how I feel after nearly a quarter of a century of their behaviour and tactics."


[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

50 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:27:23pm

In reference to my #40: this is the link.
The materials gathered here would make the happiness of any European anti-terror unit:


[Link: www.eco.utexas.edu...]

51 Lokki  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:27:26pm

Sure the United States of America are evil, and all citizens thereof are evil... Never said that we aren't. However, if you get out the old Evil 'O Meter you'll find that we score very low compared to a lot of other systems out there.

The thing that always mystifies me is the silence about the problems of these other governmental systems from these guys. Why not mention Swaziland where the King just spent $820,000 on BMWs in a land where people earn a dollar a day? Why not criticize North Korea where the children are eating roots and leaves? What about the pollution in Romania when the Communists were in charge and whole cities were literally black with soot?

Where is the realization that, as bad as we may be, we're (at a minimum) no worse than any other form of government. America is expected to be perfect and if we're not then no other standard of comparison is permissible.

When I was in South America the people I worked with loved the American Governmental system. "You can write letter to the government and complain!", they'd tell me excitedly. "It usually doesn't do much good", I'd reply. "But, at least the government will respond to your complaint"

52 Terp Mole  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:27:40pm

Mike Adams proposed establishing The Robert Jensen deportation fund.

As of today, I hereby announce the establishment of the new Robert Jensen Deportation Fund. Once the fund has enough money to buy Jensen a one-way ticket to Iraq, we can contact Iraqi insurgents to let them know he is on his way to help defeat our troops.

Based upon my reading of Jensen’s work, I can tell that he is a brave revolutionary warrior. There is no sense in keeping him here in the evil American Empire, seething with anger against our troops. We should do everything within our power to help him bravely face those troops in combat. After all, he is the one who says that we should be “courageous” and “dismantle the American empire.” I look forward to seeing him face off against some of the Marines that he has tried to demoralize with his anti-American rhetoric. Good luck, Professor.

53 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:27:41pm

Jensen is just more of the moral decay and rot in our higher educational system.
He is of like mind that children and infants are also little eichmanns because they are future technocrats. A true hater of freedom for others, not including himself.
They do not apply the rule of sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose to themselves.
He needs the foot of the blogosphere leaving marks down his back.
More glaring exposure will show the public the cockroach he is.

54 Capt. Queeg  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:27:55pm

I get it. Love is the same as anger. That really clears things up. Now I understand today's Valentine's gift in the Phillipines.

55 eeevil conservative  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:28:19pm

#32 jlfintx

(GASP!)

LOL!

56 traveler  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:29:18pm
#17 RoughRider 2/14/2005 02:16PM PST

Okay, let's add UT-Austin to the list of moonbat farms...
Add? What do you mean "add"?

Austin is literally a Moonbat Haven in a state of relative sanity.

Guess I forgot the sarcasm tag...I thought it was obvious.

I've always referred to the town of Austin as "The People's Republic of Austin".

57 will_not_back_down  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:29:34pm

Another POS cap and gown, tenured probably. Hmm. Thinking of excerising my free speech with a professor hanging from my house.


Oh I love this part:

(More later on how to understand the boundaries of that category.)

Well atleast this puke is out in the open. Let all them rats come out. Where there's smoke there is fire.

Note to professor: We(Americans) are not to blame. Period. End of discussion. Your poisoning of our schools of journalism and ivy leagure are to blame. You Mr. Professor should have joined the peace corps and contracted malaria and suffered dearly. Maybe the night swets would have cooked your brain to a level were you would not be a burden on society as you are now, filling the world with hate and breading more minions to your LEFT communist alleginace.

58 Teacake!  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:29:35pm

Did anyone catch Art Bell last night? John Lear said Osama had nothing to do with 911 - that our government flew the planes in the tower just to turn America against arab muslims and to have control of the opium poppy fields in Afghanastan, because Osama was so successful in eliminating the drug trade there.

59 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:29:39pm

#43 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar

Oh, apparently you missed that.
Lucky you!

Jonah Goldberg had a bit of a spat with this Juan Cole character. And I am saddened to report that Cole seems to have gotten the better of Goldberg on this occasion.

60 rorschach  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:30:27pm
Ward Churchill is right about 9/11.


This is all we need to know about Jensen. The ensuing disclaimer is nothing but a shit storm slicker.

61 Dave Ray  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:30:30pm

OT

Ken Livingston censured in Nazi row

About time that little shit got some stick

62 ayatrollah  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:30:30pm

The cockroaches are scurrying for their 15 minutes

63 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:30:31pm

We have not to do with a SINGLE, or a few, moonbats, these are whole departments in our universities, these guys help each other to find tenures, by reviewing each other's publications, etc. etc..

These are , in the end, the guys who are calling the terrorists inside the USA to destroy us.

Old subversives who ride the tiger of islamofascism because their hate for America knows no limit.

64 FreakyBoy  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:30:32pm
[For me, left politics]...is fueled by anger at the world as it exists, along with a love for people and an appreciation for the beauty of the non-human world. That righteous anger is powerful, as long as it does not slip into self-righteousness and stays in balance with that love. We can be glib about that struggle, but in reality the tension — inside of each of us and inside our movements — is not always easy to cope with. I wrestle with it every day.

No doubt you do. Stay in balance with the love, man. Don't be glib about your movements. Appreciate the beauty. Cope, dude. Cope.

65 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:32:21pm

#61 Dave Ray

Yes, but notice the lack of an apology:

"I could apologise but why should I say words I do not believe in my heart?
66 scott in east bay  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:32:26pm

Anyone who has been in college, either in Humanities or Social Sciences, knows the drill: "America is bad. America has done nothing but bad things to everyone on the planet. Everyone on the planet, except Americans, is good. Only we are evil. And it's all our fault". Please feel free to go kill youselves now.

67 mikeyslaw  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:33:05pm

i had a brief conversation with someone ( i cant remember who it was, carolinagirl maybe) about jensen when the churchhill thing was just starting up.
believe me, we are mostly no-nonsense here, but u.t. (and a lot of austin, for that matter) has very over-the-line activists. methinks i will do a leetle research on him.

68 Shammer  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:33:50pm

Robert Jensen and Rahul Mahajan have an abundance of quality material.

/LLL off


Freelance writing

69 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:34:05pm

#48 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Reading that I see a parallel to ethnic-cleansers, oppressors and haters the world over.

Somehow they always start out from an insane and out of proportion belief in their own victimhood. Not just individuals but whole societies get caught in hysterias of exaggurated victimhood...

Of course that victimizers play victim always confuses people too lazy to tease out the threads of responsibility.

70 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:34:06pm

The next time jensen goes tubing down the perdenales river, I hope someone throws a moccasin in his lap, I hope it's me!

71 Sydney Carton  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:34:37pm

These professors are profoundly derranged. They are Marxists to the core, viewing everything from a lens of power and their abomination of the ruling class.

It is easy to dispell with their core argument: that the chickens come home to roost. The terrorists are fighting not against some American crime that we committed against ingegenous peoples, but against modernity and their realization that the world is becoming an increasingly small place and within that shrinking sphere Islam is facing the fundamental challenge of its survival - that it is a bankrupt and failing system while the traditional West is not, and that despite claims of superiority and power, Islam is a powerless and stagnant mire and consists of a profoundly pathological and dysfunctional society.

The West had nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with freeing people from such a social disorder. And that is why the terrorists fight - because they do not wish for change and they want to reinvigorate their idiotic dream of the pure Islamic state. This should be obvious to anyone who reads most good blogs, or LGF, for more than 5 minutes.

But these Professors are addicted to Marxism and its prism of seeing everything in terms of CLASS STRUGGLE and POWER. Thus, terrorism isn't a civilizational clash of modernity verses theocratic tyranny, but instead is the legitimite struggle of an oppressed people against criminal actors (who probably just want to steal their oil, those bastard capitalists).

And included in this prism of class struggle is an attack on those who are necessarily innocent: "Further, those people at the top of the power pyramid must accept their responsibility for those crimes, even if they are not directly involved in the planning and execution of specific criminal acts." Power Pyramid is another word for ruling class, and this nonsense would be obvious to anyone if these Professors had the guts to use the proper terminology.

Inevitibly, there will be a large segment of the population who accepts this sort of balderdash. Liberals in general like victimization because it gives them a sense of moral superiority, and to identify with a "strong horse" (to use Bin Laden's term) is a crime in itself. Better to have "solidarity" with the Muslims who are oppressed by the Big Bad U.S. of A.

Left unspoken are the practical results of this madness. Prof. Robert Jensen says that the technocrats are not innocent. This means that they are legitimite targets. Oh, I'm sure that he puts in appropriate disclaimers to say that MURDER is bad, but then again, maybe he doesn't. Who the hell can tell with Marxists these days? And why should we believe them, after a century of red communism killed off approximately 100 million people?

These suicidal nihilists will be the death of the West if they succeed.

72 David Simon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:35:16pm
Is there a difference between a run-of-the-mill stock broker who manages people's retirement funds and high-level traders who make deals that can change the value of a nation's currency and destroy people's lives?

Um, professor Jensen: George Soros is on your side.

73 Sandy P  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:35:36pm

Look at me!

Look at me!

He's pissed Churchhill's getting more coverage than he.

74 Dave Ray  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:35:48pm

hm:

If he refuses to apologise in front of the council...it'll cause a shitstorm...the Tories and Liberals will have a stick to beat him with. Plus the Board of Deputies of British Jews have made the main complaint, if he refuses to apologise what happens the next time he tries to suck up to them and the Jewish Chronicle at election time? Even Stonewall (the Gay pressure group) has complained...!

Livingston out and out now!

75 Beagle  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:35:52pm

I know Orwell is overused, wrongfully used, and almost used up, but this is too close to the Ministry of Love to not mention it.

I believe that essay was his attempt on that day to take love out of the realm of dreams and make it real in the world, in action.


Yes, Jensen is writing about comparing terror victims to the architect of the largest systematic genocide in modern history because they worked for a living.

Capitalism, Ward Churchill's justification for cold-blooded murder, fed the Communists when they couldn't feed themselves, provided them most of their technology, and black-marked consumer goods they couldn't produce themselves. People vote with their feet. You don't see rich tenured professors in the United States running to Cuba or North Korea.

76 Orbit Rain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:35:56pm

ooh...a moron journalism "professor" in Austin with a warped worldview? Why am I not suprised?

77 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:36:20pm

another schmuck for the line up. let's spread the love from this little cretin. aftera a bunch get fired maybe these cretins will get the message: Keep your poisonious crap to yourself

78 rorschach  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:36:31pm

#58 Teacake

I've stopped listening to Coast2Coast for that exact reason. Moonbat-ism can be entertaining for sure when talking about alien conspiracies or about the anti-christ living in Britain, but now it's just pissing me off.

79 will_not_back_down  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:36:34pm

Sounds like we need a new book putting all these crumbs in one basket and make it required reading for freshman at Chapel Thrill.

80 mglazer  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:36:41pm

Say it ain't so Texas!?

Go Longhorns!?!?!?

81 deanyc  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:37:56pm

The professor of peace and love. Still experiencing flashbacks from the brown acid at Woodstock, I see.

82 lottamia  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:38:07pm

According to David Horowitz: "Three assumptions underlie the arguments of the anit-American cult: (1) America can do no right (2) even the rights America appears to do are wrong (3) these wrongs are monstrous." If more people are aware of this agenda, it would help to defuse the anti-American movement. I say, expose them for their radical views and marginalize them. Attempts at censorship only make them martyrs. Thanks to Charles for bringing these to light.

83 FlyingTigress  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:38:09pm

Man... this moonbat adds new meaning to the concept of tough love.

"The Power Pyramid" -- is that Dick Clark's c. 1970s/80s televised game show, or, helping sponsor six friends (GO DIAMOND!) who become Direct Distributors?

84 the_real_american  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:38:38pm
(..)this is how he feels about the country that has provided him with a privileged, comfortable lifestyle, (..)

Provided him?
He went to school, graduated, then studied more or something, and got a job. You don't like that? So now he "owes" you something or what?

And priveleged, comfortable lifestyle?
Compared to what? Last I checked journalism professors don't earn that much if you factor in the number of hours they have spent on school and hours used each week. Moneywise journalism is a shitty major.

Remember that one of the reasons behind USA being quite rich is that USA is one of those countries with a working press.
You might not like the stuff they write, but that still don't make him owe you anything than doing what he belives is the right thing.

85 HULUGU  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:39:46pm

they should have a mad magazine comic strip on these guys--moonbat vs. moonbat--the hard left's alternative historical reality and desire for moral superiority and self congratulatory self righteousness knows no bounds--they're members of a not so secret cult that leads from the good intentions of the kumbayah world of oppression and struggle to the gulag and concentraion camp of the moral authoritarian and true believer--well according to this guy since i think he is a supporter of a world view which threatens my way of life with death and tyranny i can snuff him with impunity--just a thought

86 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:40:02pm

#59 hm

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

No read this the other day, I just forgot the guys name.

Anyway Cole managed to stay on the rails this time...

[Link: www.juancole.com...]

Cole sure is pathetic. He equates ending an oppressive MASS murdering regime and replacing it with democracy with "bring[ing] back slavery"

What the fuck do these creeps have instead of human values?!

87 security mofo  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:40:13pm

oh great, now all the barking moonbats are crawling out from under their rocks and are competing for their 15 minutes of fame by seeing who can come across as the biggest anti-US asswipe on the planet...who is up next?...

88 Luigi  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:40:45pm

He's a self-proclaimed leftist and he's dissatisfied with America. New? Everyone on the left wing is dissatisfied with America. Since he's a college professor he's expected to come up with some creative new rhetoric to justify his position.

This is the same boatload of sensitive bullsh*t that we hear from everyone on the left. There is nothing new here

U.S. crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and war crimes around the world — from the genocidal campaigns against indigenous people on which this country was founded,


bush=hitler
bush=hitler
bush=hitler

Get a new fu*king song. There is nothing new, creative, original, profound or convincing here. Its the same new left 60's bullsh*t repated over and over and over and over.

89 centaur  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:41:02pm

They are being challenged openly and it's making them crack. Never, never have they had their views challenged in the insular little worlds in which the reign.

What a joy to see them squirm. And how bankrupt their grand thoughts are exposed to be, once defended and re-articulated by them in the arena of real debate.

This must have been how Custer felt ...

90 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:41:33pm

#66 scott in east bay

Thank you G-d for my poverty stricken angst ridden abusive and parentless childhood which enabled me to avoid entirely the hallowed halls of university re-education and further forced me to become a self-educated, independent AMERICAN scholar!
Certainly the esteemed faculty at my fictional university would have lovingly taught me to think of my self as a VICTIM, to rail against the inevitable whitey that put me in this position (in my case, that'd my parents) and instilled a rift of moral relativism and confusion in me 5 miles wide and 8 miles deep.
Wheeew! Now THAT is an awful fate that I escaped!
THese pricks should be charged with child abuse.
No degree sure does suck on paper when trying to get a good job though...
:-)

91 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:42:28pm

#74 Dave Ray

Indeed, Livingstone out. He had his chance to say sorry, he didn't. He needs to go, now. I hope we'll get another thread on this.

Bet you Tony is really really ruing his decision to let this idiot back in the party.

At least when Berlusconi made his Nazi prison guard jibe it was directed against a German and he did say it in a humoristic way, i.e. "well, i know of an italian movie director who is looking for actors to play Nazi prsion guards and you just might fit the bill"

92 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:43:19pm
As a result of this teaching philosophy, I am sometimes criticized for being too political, both in the classroom and in public. I have been counseled by colleagues to try to be more neutral and objective. One prominent local journalist has even questioned my fitness to teach because of my public political activities.


Oh, really.
Statement of Teaching Philosphy - Robert Jensen.

93 rorschach  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:43:28pm

#84 The_real_american


Priviledged and comfortable, indeed. A college professorship is one of the world's all-time cush jobs...and they are paid VERY well for what they do.

Gee, I think I'll go on paid vacation...er, sabbatical for a year. (In my dreams)

94 PDM  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:44:28pm

This is a good anthem for loony liberal types in general, but the second verse surely reminds me of Ward Churchill.

Well-Intentioned Blues - from National Lampoon

I wish I was a Negro, with lots of Negro soul,
so I could stay true to my ethnic roots
and still play rock and roll.
If I was a funky Negro, eatin’ soul food barbecues,
I wouldn’t have to sing the middle class, liberal, Well-Intentioned Blues.

(Intentioned Blues, Intentioned Blues)

I wish I was an Injun, a grown-up Sioux papoose,
so when I get drunk on a beer and a half
I’d have a good excuse.
I’d be a noble savage, wouldn’t ever wear no shoes,
and I wouldn’t have to sing the middle class, liberal, Well-Intentioned Blues.

(Intentioned Blues, Intentioned Blues)

I wish I was a wetback on a strike in a lettuce patch
or a slant-eyed peasant with Viet Cong stashed underneath my thatch.
I’d only ever cross a picket line to pay my union dues
To keep on singing the middle class, liberal, Well-Intentioned Blues.

(Intentioned Blues, Intentioned Blues)

But I am not a Negro, (C’mon!)
not a red man nor a Mex. (Join me, kids!)
I’m a member of the oppressing color, language, age and sex.
I sympathize with the Arab cause; I feel for the put-upon Jew.
And I keep singing –

the middle class liberal –

humanitarian –

meaningful dialogue –

we are all responsible Well-Intentioned Blues.
(Intentioned Blues, Intentioned Blues)

95 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:44:31pm

#88 Luigi

Well, but if you're in high school in Rhode Island you get an A for making such enlightened conclusions.

96 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:45:41pm

#84 the_real_american

I've heard so many people use bullshit about the word "privilege" to shut people up and to avoid reasonable arguement that I can't stand the word anymore.

97 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:45:54pm

#86 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar

Exactly, which is why is was so disappointed in Jonah's lame response.

Anyway, glad its over, that moonbat didn't deserve the attention.

98 jwpaine  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:45:56pm

At least Churchill lost another lost another speaking gig.

99 scott in east bay  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:45:57pm

#84 - for your information, a full professor at University of Texas makes about $90,000 a year. And that's the low end of the faculty pay, as science profs make more. I'd call that a pretty comfy 'lifestyle'.

100 Bigsmoke  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:46:22pm
For me, left politics — resistance to unjust impositions of authority and the struggle for a sustainable world that balances a deep yearning for individual freedom and a deep sense of responsibility for each other


Mr. Jensen:

Welcome to political Islam where as a dhimmi, you will have next to 0 individual freedom and the only responsibility will be yours to fork over the jizya.

101 Patrizio  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:46:36pm

Off Topic

Ha'aretz does some excellent analysis on the Saudi hate propaganda and the corresponding Freedom House report, previously discussed to some extent right here in LGF by Charles

102 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:46:43pm

#96 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar

Better just ignore him, he's a well-known troll around here.

103 Megan  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:46:57pm
(1) U.S. crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and war crimes around the world... (both by the U.S. military and through proxy forces) on the people of the Third World — are crimes, in legal and moral terms;

The Third World won't bring itself up to Western, democratic levels, so of course it's America's fault and not their won. Through proxy forces? I thought the Jooos were the ones who "ruled the world by proxy"- a statement by the Malaysian(?) Prime Minister that I'm sure Jensen and the fake Indian agree with.

(2) while contemporary non-state terrorism is a complex phenomenon, U.S. policies aimed at domination and control around the world are one of several key factors in spawning such terrorism;

If anything we're doing is creating terrorism, it's giving $ to Muslims, and trying to use diplomacy with them. The Palestinians showed us on 9/11 that they are enemies of Americans, and we shouldn't treat them any differently than we did the Nazis.

104 Terp Mole  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:47:41pm

It is the height of hypocrisy to watch these professors and their unions claim that they have the right to say whatever they want-- yet are immune to criticism. Just as Highway 6 runs both ways, so does the public discourse in American society.

If a professor cannot restrain the urge to speak idiocy, what is there to stop students, alumni and the taxpayers who pay their bloated salaries from telling the professor that he made an idiot out of himself? Turnabout is not only fair play, it is, in this case, a constitutional right-- and a fiscal obligation.

Churchill and Jensen are frightened that people saw their comments for the garbage they were, got angry, and called them on it. Let's hope the taxpayers of Colorado and Texas act on Jensen's latest advise;

None of us should let go of that anger just because others are scared of it.


Turnabout's fair play.

105 Expat Canuck  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:48:05pm

I am ready to SCREAM!
For saying shit like this in public, this guy and the other brain surgeon (Ward) would be hung from the nearest lamp post in other countries. They are blessed to be living here. And they should shove their COMMIE crap back up their asses.

106 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:48:17pm

#98 jwpaine

At least Churchill lost another lost another speaking gig.


Instead, he'll be invited to sit next to James Earl Carter at the next DNC.

107 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:48:17pm

@70

I'll contribute the snake, we've got plenty to share.

108 traveler  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:48:51pm

#84 the_self-loathing_american

And priveleged, comfortable lifestyle?
Compared to what? Last I checked journalism professors don't earn that much if you factor in the number of hours they have spent on school and hours used each week. Moneywise journalism is a shitty major.

BINGO: Which is exactly why they need their 15 minutes of fame: they're jealous of the other occupations that pay more. All they have is their membership in "intelligentsia", so they play it to the hilt.

You see, egos that big need to be walked every day, or they languish. Self-worship is no fun unless someone's watching.

109 dcbatlle  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:49:00pm

It's just the same old Leftist litany of America's "crimes against humanity." And by that he really means capitalism, and "the West" in general. America is just the stand in for that.

As if terrorists give a rat's ass about the "genocide of indigenous" people, or "mossadeq." They've never in heard of any of that.

Notice he didn't mention anywhere as possible reasons for terrorism the stated Al-Qaida goals for a new Caliphate. You'd think they never heard of it. But they have. These tired old Leftists will NEVER mention that as a possible reason for terrorism. He thinks jihadis and Leftys hate us for the same reaons. What a loon.

110 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:49:26pm

#94 PDM

I think they've gotten over the "well intentioned" thing by now.

Is there a song that goes:

"Die, little Eichmanns, Die!
Jump out of the windows you capitalist pigs!
Allahs coming for your ass!"

That's more the speed of the current crop.

111 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:49:30pm

re my #102

that should say it, not he.

112 gymnast  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:49:35pm

The opinions of Churchill and Jensen will make the job of the "Annual Giving" fundraising campaigns amongst the alums at the Univ of Texas and CU just a bit tougher this year. A good topic for a dissertation would be to develop a model to determine the cost to the institutions of having these loose cannons rolling about the decks of the academy. Of course money is not important to these institutions when principle is involved is it? Let them eat cake.

113 AbuNafha2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:50:02pm

france refuses to put hezbollah on a terror list...

it's hard not to hate them, as charles puts it.
disgusting, european hypocrites ...

114 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:50:12pm

OT: Who's in Da White House? :D

[Link: www.evilconservativeblog.com...]

115 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:51:05pm

#99 scott in east bay

Maybe 84 is Teereezzaa and this paltry sum strikes her as a mere pittance? ;-)

116 skippyMoment  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:51:46pm

Apologies if this has already been posted, but there are two more stories on the Nutty Professor:

Is 9-11 prof a plagiarist?
Churchill writings said to contain passages 'almost identical' to those of other authors

Ward Churchill, the University of Colorado professor under fire for saying the victims of the 9-11 terrorist attacks were not innocent, is now under the microscope for the accuracy of his academic writings, including possibly plagiarizing material.


And this one:

Ward Churchill canceled again
University of Oregon dumps plans to have 9-11 prof appear at event

The University of Oregon has canceled plans to have Ward Churchill, the University of Colorado professor under fire for calling victims of the 9-11 attacks "Little Eichmans," speak at an on-campus symposium.

117 2X4 wielder  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:51:53pm
118 tanvec  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:52:03pm

1 more prof/school to put on the WTF were they thinking!? list. Sure, he can say what he wants, but he should still be fired for incompetence - just like Ward will be.

119 niall  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:53:07pm

Well, this should go a bit further in proving that an advanced degree is not necessarily a sign of intelligence.

120 jwpaine  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:53:26pm

#98

"lost another lost another"


sigh.

121 peggie  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:53:45pm

meanwile back at the ranch, ward was cancelled again - university of oregon. also, head of iranian hezbollah calls u.s. barking dogs and says they'll develope the bomb. worldnetdaily. of course, i would expect ward to cheer them on.

122 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:54:32pm

#113 AbuNafha2

Well, if the slaughter of tens of thousands of Sudanese isn't genocide, how could Hezbollah even be close to being a terror organization.

It's pretty much like we discussed here yesterday, the Europeans are promoting anti-Americanism at any price, including their own demise.

123 heliotrope  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:55:09pm

OK, can we agree that there should be a big rock somewhere that these people are compelled to visit once a year and run around it beating themselves the with book section of the Sunday Times? Then, when they have worked themselves into a fit of perfect understanding they can all join arms and wait for the feral attack on imperfect Americans by angry fur bearing animals.

The only problem is the location of this second Mecca. I vote for Boston.

124 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:55:32pm

#113 AbuNafha2 2/14/2005 02:50PM PST

France makes deals with Hezbolla. There's no one too low for France to deal with.

125 Rashomon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:56:09pm

When JERRY FALWELL gave his opinion about 9/11 the media were quick to distance themselves from him. And indeed some called him what he was - a religious idiot. But no one I could find was willing to take him to the mat and call for boycotts of his lectures and insist that he not get any more money from any one anywhere. Now he is a member of MSNBC.

Counter this with the remarks made by WARD CHURCHILL. He said stupid shit and the media distanced themselves from him. And now the likes of O'Reilly and his dogs are trying to get Chruchill fired, prevent him from speaking anywhere and insisting that no one anywhere go listen to him speak.

So the question is why does Jerry Falwell simply get a slap on the wrist and Ward Churchill get the full on witch hunt? Do you think Churchill will ever have a TV show on a major network?

126 Moonbat_One  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:56:20pm

The classic mistake the far-Left always seems to make; they think the Islamists hate America for the same reasons guys like Chomsky, Ward Churchill, and now this guy do. The Islamists aren't going to make some exception for commie journalism professors. They're just another infidel.

127 plutosdad  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:56:23pm

I wonder if he also criticizes France. Or Communist Russia, or China, for doing all those things he says the US has done.

I certianly have a hard time defending some of the leaders we have gotten in bed with during the Cold War, but come on, every industrialized nation has their skeletons.

Why to the libs never criticize French, Russian, or Chinese foreign policy? If they truly are concerned for the thirld world like they say, they would equally condemn those nations. But they don't.

I think their concern is just a mask for anti-Americanism. I'll eat my words if this professor has published statements about how unethical and immorall and illegal those other three countries' foreign policies are. But I doubt he has ever said it.

128 Luigi  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:56:47pm

Not only is their rhetoric tired and old, but they're always wrong. About everything! The left was wrong about Russia. Wrong about China. Wrong about Korea. Wrong about Cuba. Wrong about Vietnam. Wrong about Cambodia. Wrong about Granada. Wrong about Nicuragua. Wrong about El Salvador. Wrong about Iraq.

Gee, I wonder where he stands on Israel? Don't you?

Put him in a home. He's probably ready to retire. Call for a porter with a wheelchair and wheel him the f*ck out of the university and put him in a home.

129 jwpaine  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:57:03pm

Coulda swore everybody here was already aware of our compendium of Ward Churchill news and information and that's why I refrain from plugging it.

But I am now thoroughly disabused of that notion.

130 Keelie  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:57:07pm

I don't know about everyone else here, but I'm simply tired of these people and their malevolent stupidity...

If they hate the US so much (and I'm a Canandian who would love to live in the US), just get up and leave for greener pastures.

Seeya!

131 Carolina Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:57:25pm

#99 scott in east bay

And from what I've seen from housing prices in Texas (half what we pay in the Bay Area), $90,000 is real money!

132 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:57:40pm

#117 2X4 wielder

"In his research, Jensen draws on a variety of critical theories. Much of his work has focused on pornography..."

They paid him to study porn? :)

133 Beagle  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:57:53pm

#84 the_real_American

You don't understand the relationships. Churchill and Jensen are arguing against capitalism while taking every advantage of it. Intellectuals are the first to go when Communsts take over. Not that Jensen qualifies.

It's not that Jensen owes us anything. It's that Jensen is too stupid to see his life disproves everything he advocates.

134 HULUGU  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:58:08pm

actually if he wants to really know about blowback--i suggest jenkins get in touch with bin laden and zawahiri--those twats could teach this nitwit about chickens coming home to roost--from running armed struggle in a country to a dank cave living in fear of delta force 21 doing masturbatory fantasy videotapes--an iraqi kurd should stick a purple voting finger up this guy's fetid ass--except he'd probably like it

135 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:58:21pm

#125 Rashomon

That's probably because he's an Indian.

/

136 BabbaZee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:58:32pm

#123 heliotrope
I agree, while laughing hysterically!

137 moonsbreath  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:58:34pm

little traitors

138 rorschach  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:58:44pm

#125 Rashomon

O'Reilly and his dogs


Woof, woof.

139 TalkinKamel  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:58:59pm

#125 Rashomon

"Do you think Ward Churchill will ever have a TV show on a major network?"

Unfortunately, given the current insane state of the world, and the media, I'm afraid it's only too likely.

140 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:59:09pm

#133 Beagle

Troll alert!

141 heliotrope  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:59:15pm

#125 Rashomon

Ward Churchill is likely to turn up as a guest pitch artist on QVC. Will that work for you?

142 Carolina Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 12:59:59pm

#113 Abu

Makes you wonder, doesn't it? What are all these people smoking/sniffing/swallowing that makes them so effin' delusional and did they bring enough for everybody?

That article is just...oh man, words fail me (and that? Is saying something).

143 Mr. Beamish  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:00:01pm
I also take a core assertion of Churchill’s essay to be that we citizens of the U.S. empire bear some collective responsibility for those crimes, depending on our level of power and privilege, and our capacity for resistance.

You hear that, gang? We're all collectively responsible for the fact that Ward Churchhill's brains aren't splattered against the wall.

Speak truth to power, man!

144 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:00:26pm

Well, I thought I'd drop Professordid Jensen the Pres. of UT, and their Public Affairs office MY OPINION of Mr's Jensen and Churchill...

president@po.utexas.edu
utopa@www.utexas.edu
rjensen@uts.cc.utexas.edu

145 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:00:36pm

#139 TalkinKamel

Doesn't affirmative action apply to TV stations?

146 PDM  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:00:40pm

#110 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar,

I think they've gotten over the "well intentioned" thing by now.

Is there a song that goes:

"Die, little Eichmanns, Die!
Jump out of the windows you capitalist pigs!
Allahs coming for your ass!"

That's more the speed of the current crop.

LOL. That is more like it I suppose. 8)

147 gymnast  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:01:03pm

#125, Rashamon, Do you have a perceptual problem or a comprehension problem?

148 reader  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:01:12pm

lottamia #82,

I also like his statement about liberals, that they're really only liberal about 3 things: sex, drugs and taking other people's money.

149 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:02:07pm

Dave Ray,

Red Ken has been reported to some watchdog that has the power to suspend him.

Going to look for a suitable link now.

150 heliotrope  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:03:33pm

#125 Rasomon

I just called Jerry Falwell and he is praying for both Ward Churchill and you.

That's what I like about Jerry...he will do things that would never occur to me.

151 astroturf  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:05:21pm

To help give you an idea of what passes for avante garde cinematic art in Austin, I refer you to a locally-produced movie, "Barn of the Blood Llama". Try a Google search for it.

152 Bigsmoke  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:05:35pm

OT

Good reason to give up the Veil

153 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:05:37pm

#146 PDM

And I write that as [an appalled] well intentioned liberal.

These days they call well intentioned liberals, "neocons"

Sigh

154 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:06:00pm

Dave Ray,

Story hasn't been update in this version, but Ken has now been reported to the Standards Board for England and Wales.


Inquiries by the standards board can lead to locally elected officials being censured, suspended or in the most serious cases, disqualified from office.


[Link: www.jpost.com...]

155 Beagle  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:06:04pm

#125 Rashomon

You're not really comparing a religious leader to someone paid by the taxpayers for his 'ideas', are you? How the HELL can we organize a boycott of, or put pressure on, a frickin' CHURCH? By the way, prove PMSNBC pays Falwell. I don't trust nutjobs.

156 moonsbreath  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:06:23pm

Rashoman been tokin on the hash too long if he thinks Ward just says "stupid shit."

157 tronman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:06:27pm

Being a Texan , born and raised...I would like to appologize to the rest of the country that UTA would employ such a moron(I can only hope that he is a transplant and not a native).

Also...UTA just got an email expressing how disappointed I am that this is what they feel they should be teaching in journalism...perhaps if this is the case, all funding should be pulled and the university closed, students who wish to continue their LEGITIMATE education can transfer to either A&M or Baylor...all others will be transfered to Colorado or Berzerkly...

158 taryn  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:06:42pm

you made no attempt to disprove his thesis, charles. you just called him ungrateful.

159 Sydney Carton  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:06:43pm

re #132, rightasrain,

Anything that a normal, well balanced person would think is insanity is labeled by the Professorate as "critical theory" and thus is given legitimacy. Thus, studying porn, which any other person would view as an indulgence of lust, is instead elevated as greater than the study of Western literature.

Public shame of these people isn't enough. They need to be hurt where it counts. I'm glad Churchill is having his lecture tour cancelled, but there's gotta be more than that. I'm all in favor of firing him, and also firing this newest protoge. And then, after razing their classrooms and salting the earth upon which it stood, perhaps their former students can move to a new location and finally learn about the glories of their true Western heritage.

160 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:06:56pm

#152 Bigsmoke

Indeed, I wonder how the ROPers are going to explain Allahs intentions here.

161 Joshua Godinez  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:07:24pm
Dorothy Day of the Catholic Worker Movement was fond of quoting a line from Dostoevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov: “Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing compared with love in dreams.”

In other words "You can't make an omelette without breaking a few (chicken) egss"?

Jensen seems to endorse violence as a legitimate expression of resentment toward America. Does that mean he sympathizes with the soldiers of Abu Ghraib if they are acting out repressed anger regarding the murder of our troops and civilians? Unless he desires a world of chaos and murder he can't justify 9/11.

For all the pompous statement of solidarity with oppressed people these socialists and communists always seem to compete in the real world just like we all do. Awareness is useless without action. If he collects more than $1 over his necessary expenses then he's just a lying capitalist. Most of us have the decency to be honest capitalists.

What's wrong with trying to earn a dollar in a foreign land? Creating jobs in India is supposed to be a bad thing for the Indians? Paying the Congolese for their natural resources is a bad thing for Congo? Altruism and self-denial are not natural motivators, they are imposed by a moral code. In governmental terms they are enforced and you get the Taliban or Cuba. Unless brutal suppression of individual liberty is your vision of utopia, capitalism is the best way to achieve the most good with the most liberty. Fish or cut bait, Jensen. Move to Cuba or jump into the deep sea of the free market. Don't complain about your fat paycheck while trying to deny others theirs.

162 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:07:44pm

148 reader

I think Horowitz is like Huffington, he switched sides, but he too fanatical no matter what side he's on.

But being a died in the wool, crazy fanatic, he does have some insight into how fanatics think.

163 traveler  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:07:54pm

#125

It was more than a "slap on the wrist" and IIRC, Falwell apologized. And his remarks were in line with the mission of the organization he runs.

I think the University of Colorado took a second look at their "Ethics" professor and his representation of their school.

164 Abaddon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:07:59pm

As a native Texan, I am so sorry to see this idiot teaching at UT. Of course, Travis County (in which Austin is located) is a tiny island of Blue in a sea of Red on the election map. It's where all the moonbats in Texas fly to roost. Comments like this by a professor at my alma mater (Texas A&M) would not have been tolerated.

165 the_real_american  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:08:20pm

#93 and #99

So lets assume he makes $93000 or so, I don't know if that's correct but for the discussion...

So he now owes something to USA because he makes money!

OMG what happened to the old school conservatives? At least they were consistent about their view on income. If you earned money it was becasue of your own work. But know, in the view of the conservatives, those that earn something suddenly "owes their graditude" to the country and should support the current foreign policy. Fuck that.

It's almost like, oh wait, oh wait, it is almost like in pre WWII Germany (1936), those people that has a job in the governemnt should just STUF and do their "job" right.
Be grateful for what the state has given you and whatever ou do don't criticize the current politics.

166 Sgt. Mom  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:08:24pm

Great warks... we have enough of these guys to have a pinata/moonbat of the month! Once we get tired of batting Ward Churchill around, we can move on to fresh meat!

167 Renna  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:09:16pm

I know it seems like there are just too many moonbat professors to fight, but just like evil countries, let's take it one and a time.

Don't let up pressure on the emails to Churchill and local/national media but now add this guy. Write letters detailing exactly what he said.

We don't have to describe what a scumbag he is, just quote his own words, shine the light on the cockroach.

I trust the regular people of America to react accordingly if they just have Mr. Jensen's words and thoughts brought to their attention.

168 traveler  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:09:34pm

#165

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

169 Mike C.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:09:44pm

Sorry to be so wildly OT this early, and I promise that I'll go read my way through this thread in just a few. But if you don't already read INDC Journal, well you should. I refer to what is at this moment items # 2 and 3. Busted a gut, especially over the end to item # 3.

170 Mike C.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:11:44pm

RE # 169

Sorry, items # 1 and 3.

171 Beagle  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:12:18pm

#165 the_real_fucktard

Repeats same argument without responding? Check. Stupid Nazi comparison? Check. Ate lead paint as a child?

172 azul93gt  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:12:35pm

If lefties says that people are justified in committing terrorist attacks against the USA then how do they then complain when the USA retaliates against the terrorists with even greater lethal force? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Is it not? Some lefties have stated that the use of deadly force against unarmed innocent civilians is acceptable when a IIIrd worlder has a beef with the USA, but they'll march in the streets to denounce the use of force by the USA. These lefty Profs should realize that the use of terrorism as it escalates will become a losing proposition for the terrorist.

173 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:13:01pm

#169 Mike C.

Hi Mike, good to see you here.

While I type up a response to something you said earlier today, I'd like to point out #28 ;-)

174 Athos  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:13:04pm
In case you missed it, he is a journalism professor.

In the same mold as Eason Jordan is a journalism professional.

In the same mold as Bret Stephens, downing quarts of kool-aid and covering up for Eason Jordan in the WSJ, is a journalism professional.

In the last poll, journalists were a few above the bottom in some of the most reviled professions - you know, with insurance salesmen, used car salesmen, and politicians...so, I wonder, how much closer to the bottom have they become?

175 Roger  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:14:29pm

#170 Mike C., what the heck is an item?

176 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:14:42pm
we citizens of the U.S. empire bear some collective responsibility for those crimes, depending on our level of power and privilege...

Does this mean that I am justified if I kick his ass? After all he, as a tenured professor, has more power and priviledge than I do.

177 Sydney Carton  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:15:03pm

re: 165, the real american

Get a life. The man doesn't owe anyone anything, except perhaps gratutide at being able to say such outrageous things in public and have the force of law protect him against a lynch mob (very different from the Arab world where dissident sentiments can get you murdered in a heartbeat).

He got his degree, he's got his job. Fine. La de frickin' da. He can be an ass in public and piss on the ground that protects him and his livelihood. But spare me the indignation when people notice his ingratitude. And that's what it IS. INGRATITUDE. Because in a pluralistic and tolerant society, intellectual pursuits are thought of as a good thing, along with earning a lot of money and trying to better oneself. And while this little Marxist would send the technocratic rich to the guillotine first, he'd necessarily follow, as all despots of revolution eventually are consumed by the flames they stoked. If you espouse an ideology of murder in a society that practices liberty, don't be surprised when people call you a hypocrite.

178 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:15:09pm

#159 Sydney Carton

Good comments. Thanks!

Some years ago, a friend told me about taking a Sociology class from a Professor who was working on a project (with some other Sociology professors) on the study of strippers.

These old guys would go to one strip-joint after another to do their study.

The students thought it was a hoot. The Professors were clearly tricking their Universities into paying for their nights out with the boys while glaring at naked female body parts night after night.

It was cool with the kids, but what comes after? Professors studying their personal masturbation techniques as a University funded project?

Something is horribly wrong at too many of our universities.

179 ajackson  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:16:15pm

Thomas Friedman did a piece a couple of weeks ago. His had two related thoughts. The first was to reduce the bounty on Bin Laden, Zarkawi, et al to one cent and an autographed picture of Bush. The thesis was that more money's not going to bring these guys in, and when they're turned in - if it's not for a reward, but because the locals are sick and tired of terrorism, it's a moral (and PR) victory for us.

Part two was to take the money from the bounty and instead spend it to bring students from the Middle East to America to go to college. This is where I think he went off into the weeds. Given the moonbats on campus, it's a lot cheaper to let the students learn to hate America from Al-Jihad TV, then bring them here to learn it from the likes of Ward Churchill or Robert Jensen.

180 mollyshark  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:16:19pm

#164 Abaddon

I hope you're right. As a fellow Texan, it is frightening to find this kind of atrocity at a school like UT.

For those of you out of college for a while (I'm 1976 grad), were things this far off the scale when we were in school? I wasn't very political then. Maybe it passed me by since I was always stuck in a laboratory somewhere. I'm losing faith in the ability of the coming college generation to be able to revoke this insane thinking. Professors have a lot of influence.

And these people are in PAID GOVERNMENT JOBS! The irony.

181 Rust Never Sleeps  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:16:58pm
To right-wing forces: Feel free to take passages from this essay out of context to "prove" that I am anti-American, support terrorism, and use the classroom to indoctrinate helpless students in my demonic left-wing ideology designed to destroy our country.

Not enough of a challenge Jensen; the evidence is, as you acknowlegded, all over the place.

182 Rashomon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:17:03pm

150 heliotrope
Falwell is a dangerous man because he has followers [like you?] who believe what he says but then distance themselves when its convenient to do so.

#155 Beagle
Why do I need to prove Falwell makes any money? If you have a show one MSNBC you are obviosly reaching people from a network platform that is worth millions.
Still they would never hire Churchill and you know it. That's because the media ain't liberal let alone left.

Anyway it seems to me people can decide for themselves if someone is 'right' or 'wrong'. I've read Churchill - I'm on the left and it's pretty evident to me that Churchill's statements are very telling about his anti-American views. I disagree with his statements. But people should be trusted to make up their own mind about him or about Falwell.

I think Churchill and Falwell should both have shows in MSNBC. It could be interesting.

183 the_real_american  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:18:23pm

#133 Beagle

You don't understand the relationships. Churchill and Jensen are arguing against capitalism while taking every advantage of it.

Don't know about this Jensen guy, but Churchill seems to be arguing about the current form of capitalism. Big difference. He's not especially anti-capitalist but more anti-conservatism and anti corporatism.
And that is not even his main area as he is mostly ranting about foreign policy, culture and "internal affairs".

184 religion of bacon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:20:33pm

U.S. crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and war crimes around the world — from the genocidal campaigns against indigenous people on which this country was founded

Well hey then, what's his position on the whole reconquista thing, i.e. the position that Texas was "stolen" from Mexico and should be given (or taken) back? How can he possibly spout this kind of ivory-tower white-guilt crap while drawing a paycheck from the state of Texas and teaching at a university built on "conquered" ground?

I mean, if you're going to be a self-hating anti-American moron, at least be consistent about it. But somehow I don't think he's going to be calling for the abolition of the UT system...

185 Roger  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:20:46pm

#183 the_real_american, what capitalistic business model do you and your Churchil buddy propose?

186 traveler  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:20:48pm

#182 Ramadan

That's because the media ain't liberal let alone left.

You're cracking me up! Stop! My sides are hurting!

187 Bostonian  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:21:07pm

#123: "The only problem is the location of this second Mecca. I vote for Boston. "

HEY! Please no!

Berkeley would be far more deserving of such an honor.

188 Athos  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:21:34pm

#84 the_real_american

Remember that one of the reasons behind USA being quite rich is that USA is one of those countries with a working press.
You might not like the stuff they write, but that still don't make him owe you anything than doing what he belives is the right thing.

Actually, the role of a journalist is to report facts - be the first recorder of history and to present fact / information in a news item. They are welcome to present OPINION if it is clearly designated as an Op-Ed or Analysis - but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Ask any journalist today why they got into the profession. Most will not say money (your only good point) and most will also not say to report on history as it happens - but you will find most become journalists "to change the world" or some near facsimile of that. In other words - they aren't being journalists - but social activists trying to change the world not report on the events that are happening.

Ask yourself if the person in question was a far right evangelical Christian who was also a Journalism Professor, and pushed his religious / political viewpoint in his teaching - would you give that person a pass? No.

189 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:21:43pm

#183 Troll

Churchill seems to be arguing about the current form of capitalism

Churchill calls the workers of the Twin Towers little Eichmanns.
That is not arguing about nothing.
That is being a beast.

Probably paid by the islamofascist.
Period.

190 Bob G.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:23:03pm

I don't believe in academic freedom. Rather, people like Jensen should be confined to safe and non-threatening environments called "universities," where they can vent their delusions in a manner unburdened by the demands and responsibilities of the real world. The alternative is to have them living on the street or trying to fend for themselves in a competitive work environment, which is too cruel to contemplate for a civilized nation.

191 Crusader  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:23:15pm

This loon's home page has a variety of ways of contacting him:

[Link: uts.cc.utexas.edu...]

192 Bostonian  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:23:18pm

"... we citizens of the U.S. empire bear some collective responsibility for those crimes"

Collective morality--isn't that one of the hallmarks of fascism? I do think so.

193 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:23:55pm

#182 Troll

I'm on the left

No, you are a traitor like Churchill and the baby from Austin.

Hope you are hit by the next attacks of the islamofascists, your friends, not my family.

194 montanapatriot  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:24:47pm

#3 Traveler

Okay, let's add UT-Austin to the list of moonbat farms...


The Texas university system has been a moonbat heaven at least since the 70's, when my husband was teaching there.

195 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:25:34pm

Which crimes ?
Having created the freest Country in the world where the "oppressed" poor have as their only problem that they are OBESE ?

196 susanita  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:25:46pm

extremely OT
I just saw this at INDC and it cracked me up regarding the Jeff Gannon "scandal"

Even more photos show Jeff wearing the same silver watch with a black band that Jeff Gannon is known to sport. Some show that Jeff and Jeff Gannon have the same short and pointed eyebrows, same ears, same face structure, chest structure and nipples. Same wrinkles/creases in their stomachs when they bend forward. The resemblance is astonishing.

and a commentor wrote:

Can the inevitable, LGF style "nipple overlay shot" be long in coming?

Man, I hope so. me and my 13 year old buddies are just waiting to steal an Instalanche!


Posted by The Colossus at February 14, 2005 03:06 PM

197 Rashomon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:26:13pm

#189 Poitiers-Lepanto

Churchill calls the workers of the Twin Towers little Eichmanns.

For the record what did he say exactly and in what context?


#186 traveler

Keep laughing, it works better than seeing the truth.

198 DocDublU  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:26:24pm

It will be said that the election of 2004 marked the effective end of Democratic presidential politics for a generation.

With nitwits like Jensen and Churchill seen as legit Dem "thinkers" and the likes of Howard "Aaaahhh!" Dean running the party, the GOP "adults" have finally taken complete control of America's destiny for the next 50 years.

Thank God these shit-for-brains professors and nattering nabobs of stupidity have risen to their levels of incompetence. Their ascension to power and prominance coincides with the uttter failure of their ideas.

199 mccleansan  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:27:13pm

"Robert Jensen is a journalism professor at the University of Texas at Austin."

So this is merely his opinion by someone who is using the American system to their advantage, monetarily and politically. I always want to ask these people, what type of America do they want? What's interesting is to ask them where do you stand in that America? Would you be earning as much as you do now - or should we distribute that money to make it even for everybody...

I want to hear facts - not proselytizing - give me hard facts about the bad things America has always done - Give me one, and I'll show you ten good things.


"Chickens coming home to roost". So by this he must mean, for example, since we bombed Hiroshima - somewhere down the line we got it coming to us. But he wouldn't dare tell you about all the atrocities that the Japense commited - no that's silent - nasty America.

200 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:28:28pm

#197 TROLL

For the record what did he say exactly and in what context?

GET YOUR

CONTEXT

and put it where you enjoy it better.

Traitors.
The blood of the Victims of 9/11 screams from the grave against all of you.

201 odrady  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:29:12pm

#157 Tronman

all others will be transfered to Colorado or Berzerkly...

Whoa, we're all full up of moonbats here in Boulder; thanks, but no thanks...

Better yet, let's do send them to College Station just to see how long they last!

Howdy!

202 Sydney Carton  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:29:16pm

Robert Jensen
School of Journalism
1 University Station A1000
University of Texas
Austin, TX 78712-0113
work: (512) 471-1990
fax: (512) 471-7979
rjensen@uts.cc.utexas.edu

203 biff  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:29:43pm

So if the arab muslims were not sitting on so much oil, which the US aided them in discovering, mining, and capitalizing, would we then not be guilty of dominating, controlling, and causing them so much suffering? I never realized before reading this that we were guity, en masse, of such terror.

204 Rashomon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:30:00pm

#193 Poitiers-Lepanto

Typical fascist sentiment. Thanks for revealing your true nature.

205 TalkinKamel  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:30:56pm

#158 taryn

Read Beagle's Post #133, and Sydney Carton's post #177; they do a good job of pointing out this spoiled professor's lack of gratitude.

And if you don't agree with what Charles says---tell us yourself why you think this guy isn't a spoiled, pampered, academic, that he's actually displaying a deep and unselfish "Love" when he rants on about how much he disagrees with the country which has given him an education, a good job and which defends his right to get up on a soapbox and rant against it any time he pleases.

206 Mike C.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:31:36pm

Well, Dante may have been correct for his day and age, but it is obvious from this that at least one new and lowest level of hell needs to be dug to accomodate folks like this. I wouldn't want the likes of Hitler, Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot, much less ordinary child molestors, rapists and murderers, to have to spend all eternity with this sicko.

207 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:32:26pm

Mike C.,

You won't be surprised to hear that I agreed with everything you wrote this morning about our biggest problem being the errosion of the notion of limited government.

The thing I wanted to add was that in my experience, as someone involved with law, there's a power grab being orchestrated by some parts of the judiciary. Mind you, they are ably being assisted by legislators themselves.

In the US things arent that bad yet, although there are a lot of activist judges around. In the EU is has become policy to draft faulty and ambiguous laws so that the activist, federal, superstate advocating judiciary can "interpret" things the way it sees fit, i.e. the federal superstate way.
That's how these people have ended up with banana curvature regulations.

I see some of these developments in the US too, but I am not sure whether its intentional efforts by legislators, or, much more likely their ineptitude.
They draft bad laws, these bad laws then have to be put straight by judges and the result is, often enough, that government competences are expanded.
Luckily, there's the Supreme Court to put a stop to these things, but evidently that route doesn't always work.

In the EU, their ECJ is their Supreme Court and most of its members are Euro federalists of a deep conviction. The new Euro "Constitution" is probably the worst drafted legal document I have ever seen. As it turns out, this wasn't so much due to people's incompetence, but rather meant as an effort to ensure that the relevant provisions are all "re-interpreted" by the ECJ.

The one good thing about the US which makes me hopeful is that the US is probably the only country in the world with a relatively strict adherence to Montesquieu's notion of separation of powers. This balance is what might save the day since legislators are, mindful of their own powers, not willing to pass all their authority to the judiciary.
Having said that, unfortunately, there's also plenty of legislators who are chipping away at people's freedom of choice in the interst of lobbyists etc.
I have no idea how this is going to turn out but I'm glad there's people like you who are equally worried about it.

208 John B  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:32:54pm

So Robert Jensen believes the U.S. is a depraved criminal nation bent upon world domination. Any bets that, should the U.S. become isolationist again the same self loathing LLL moonbats would still hate the U.S.? Fuck 'em all.

209 Crusader  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:33:09pm

Rashomon: Who the f*ck are you to come here pretending that there might be a "context" in which its OKAY to refer to a group of victims as "little Eichmanns"?

You might want to back up on that statement of stupidity before continuing.

210 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:33:14pm

On the other hand, we must say that if these rats come out it is because the Pajamarines are smoking them out, and this is good.

Even the infestation of rats here tonight means that they are desperate.

Their hate against Freedom is now clear... and they need to discuss about CONTEXT when we are fighting a worldwide war to save Civilization from the islamofascists.

They will dream to be back in the time of McCarthy, soon, very soon.
This time we clean up.

The real left, not made of traitors, will come up early or later.

211 Athos  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:33:16pm
Don't know about this Jensen guy, but Churchill seems to be arguing about the current form of capitalism.


Churchill has a major issue with capitalism period - he hates capitalism.

Put that's not really the issue - Churchill is, and has, openly advocated and worked (his own admission & actions) with enemies of this country. Jensen is doing nothing more than throwing his loyalty in with Churchill, and against the values and standing of this country.

Sedition Act of 1918 anyone?

212 Pamela  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:33:48pm

His surname is Jensen?

Oh God I hope I am not related to him.

213 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:34:25pm

#169 Mike C.

EEEK! The crap from some Kos journal! ^O^ Jesus!

Well we can thank KOS for proving to the world that idiot dittoheads weren't just a right wing phenomina!

First there was Rush infesting USENET with his dumb self rightious dittoheads, and now there's KOS with an even uglier mass of brownshirt/revolutionary idiot kids. I hope the Democratic party kicks them out on their asses so hard it leaves bloody skid marks from here to the curb!

214 Roger  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:34:34pm

#204 Rashomon, what is your definition of fascist?

215 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:34:39pm

#123 heilotrope

The only problem is the location of this second Mecca. I vote for Boston. "

We already have a Mecca here in California. And it's out in the middle of one of the hottest, most God forsaken deserts on earth, just like the original one.

All we need to do is start spelling California with a "ph".


Mecca, Caliph-ornia

216 religion of bacon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:34:40pm

ok, so where's the online petition to save the daring iconoclastic thinker from the rabid evil conservative opponents of free speech?

The Churchill petition was a lot of fun. ;)

217 HULUGU  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:35:35pm

actually his ideal vision of the world is a summer camp with all the counselors and camp directors being himself and his buddies telling us campers what's good for us so we live in fulfillment and peace--in the real world this leads to to year one in cambodia and the killing fields--the evidence is there--that a guy that is a university professor doesn't see it--well its time for him to go out and get a real job or join the jihad as a muj to put his principles in action--put him in a car bomb and dial him up

218 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:35:43pm

#193 Poitiers-Lepanto
#200 Poitiers-Lepanto

#182 Troll
#197 TROLL


Thank you!

219 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:36:03pm

#204 Troll

Typical fascist sentiment. Thanks for revealing your true nature.

The stalinist pigs like you have ALWAYS used this same argument.

The only fascists in the world are the
marxist fascists
like you
the islamofascists like Osama bin Laden
the nazi fascists

WE are defending the ONLY truly free Country in the world.

FOAD

220 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:36:04pm
221 gymnast  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:36:29pm

#204, Rashon of shit. Standing in a hole while you peer out from under a rock partially explains your perceptual problem. That still leaves your difficulties with comprehension open to speculation.

222 GreatDane  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:37:18pm

#203

The arabs should get on their knees and pray to *spit* Allah *spit* that I have a huge 4WD with terrible mileage.

223 Rock the Casbah  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:37:20pm

OT:

why hasn't this been posted on LGF:

Syria kills Lebanon's former PM who supported democratic reforms

I think it's past time to go on some bombing raids.

224 SJKevin  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:37:22pm
resistance to unjust impositions of authority and the struggle for a sustainable world that balances a deep yearning for individual freedom and a deep sense of responsibility for each other

Beautiful words, Professor Jensen. This describes exactly why I switched over to the publican party in 2004.

225 Isobella  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:37:23pm

My husband works in the same department as Jensen.
From what he has told me, every semester the Communications Dept. rolls out these large sheets of paper where students can comment on the professors and their classes.

The world isn't completey going crazy - cuz there are usually more bad remarks about Jensen than there are good.

Jensen is a self-absorbed, attention seeking twit and everyone, minus him, knows it.

He spewed some hateful message right after 9-11 and the UT's President said Jensen was "a fountain of undiluted foolishness".

226 rorschach  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:38:29pm

#204 Rashomon


On the contrary, the sentiment being described by Pointers-Lepanto is decidedly ANTI-fascist, and I subscribe wholeheartedly.

227 Dave the.....  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:38:55pm
Priviledged and comfortable, indeed. A college professorship is one of the world's all-time cush jobs...and they are paid VERY well for what they do.


The professors I had that had been out in the real world for several years before going into academia, talked about how cushy the college professor job is. At least compared to being in private business. They appreciated their situation and didn't take advantage of it.

Now, these looneytune professors who would never make it in the real world, and piss on those of us who do...

228 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:39:25pm

Why don't these "teachers" (of what ?) and trolls, just f$#$ off and move to a "paradise" of their choice ?
If America is such a hell, just get out, thank you.

We don't want subversives helping the enemy, in the middle of a war for the survival of Freedom in the world.

They would love a world without the USA ?

Think Afghanistan...

229 Dave the.....  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:39:56pm
The left was wrong about Russia. Wrong about China. Wrong about Korea. Wrong about Cuba. Wrong about Vietnam. Wrong about Cambodia. Wrong about Granada. Wrong about Nicuragua. Wrong about El Salvador. Wrong about Iraq.

Shhh, you're not suppose to bring that up. Let's move on to the next hate America cause.

230 Dianna  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:41:04pm

Hey! LGF just got a mention on The News Hour!

231 Rashomon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:41:59pm

#210 Poitiers-Lepanto
I question if you are even an American. You're certainly a fanatic of some sort.

Anyway, the bottom line is Ward Churchill is an idiot. I concur. When I asked what context I meant literally what context. It was a question. I have since found it on google and yeah what he said was fucked up.

Now, are you and your dogs and the islamo fascist going to come get my family because I asked a question?

Go back to your compound - dog.

232 Mike C.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:42:21pm

# 31 Ed

You mean you missed the good times in Austin ? No Armadillo World Headquarters ? Bummer.

233 Athos  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:42:23pm

Rashomon

My, what a typical little moonbat...

Your first post is an effort to deflect the thread from Jensen's endorsement of Churchill's ravings by pointing the standard at Falwell - and for the most part people here call you on it.

You then try the "out of context" line of crappola - and you get called on it. (Do your own research - show us how / where it was taken out of context. Go ahead - people better than you have tried for weeks - and failed.)

Your next brilliant riposte - to call someone a fascist.

How intellectually dishonest of you - do you even understand who / what a fascist is? Take a look in the mirror after looking up the definition of fascism in a dictionary.

234 ajackson  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:42:25pm

Memo to public universities - take out your own garbage. If you don't the public will complain about the foul odor to the state legislature. Then they will help you take out the garbage. And you might not like what gets hauled to the dump.

235 Roger  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:42:54pm

#228 Poitiers-Lepanto, and Taliban!

236 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:43:02pm

#226 Rorschach
(nice nic ! don't show me any picture please !)

Thank you and thank you to all who have answered.

I love the smell of fried troll in the evening.


(BTW, I seriously doubt that these trolls have EVER seen a real fascist in their lives, and I do know what THEY would do if they would see one, but this is an old story and it's not interesting for the war we have to fight today)

237 TalkinKamel  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:43:17pm

#145 hm

No, no, NO, we are not even going to THINK about Churchill somehow getting on TV, via some affirmative action loophole, which brings me to. . .

#182 Rashomon

A Ward Churchill/Jerry Falwell show? G-d forbid! As both men are brothers under the skin, it would be:

THE DULLEST SHOW ON EARTH!

Churchill: "I HATE AMERICA, JERRY!"

Falwell: "I HATE AMERICA TOO! IT'S FULL OF SINNERS, WHO ARE DRAWING DOWN GOD'S WRATH!"

Church: "IT'S FULL OF LITTLE EICHMAN'S, WHO ARE DRAWING DOWN ISLAM'S WRATH!"

Both: "IT'S ALL ISRAEL'S FAULT!"

(Unless Falwell and Churchill can be trained to do something amusing, such as balancing balls on their noses, or playing "Lady of Spain" on bicycle horns, even people who agree with them are going to change channels before the first commercial comes on.)

OR IT COULD BE THE MOST INTERESTING SHOW ON EARTH! (But only for about two seconds)

(One of them says something to deeply offend the other, and, since both men are complete SOB's, they go berserk and start beating each other with chairs. Unfortunately, the technicians pull them apart before they can do too much damage to each other, and the show is immediately cancelled. "Mr. Holland's Opus" is shown in the rest of its time slot.)

Frankly, I'd rather sit through yet another WB Teen-angst soaper; you know, something like "DESPERATE WIVES OF SMALLVILLE WHO ARE THOROUGHLY CHARMED."

238 jwpaine  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:43:33pm

#197 Rashomon

For the record what did he say exactly and in what context?

You mean you're not even aware of what you're (so poorly) defending?

Go read the fucking essay first. Then at least you'll have risen to the same level of stupidity that Jensen exhibited in his essay.

239 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:43:54pm

#197 Rashomon

Churchill calls the workers of the Twin Towers little Eichmanns.
For the record what did he say exactly and in what context?

This has been printed all over the place. You really haven't seen it?

Do you harbor some belief that his words were taken out of context? What exactly will you do when you're shown to be wrong?

Here goes:

They did not license themselves to "target innocent civilians."
There is simply no argument to be made that the Pentagon personnel killed on September 11 fill that bill. The building and those inside comprised military targets, pure and simple.

As to those in the World Trade Center . . . Well, really. Let's get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break. They formed a technocratic corps at the very heart of America's global financial empire – the "mighty engine of profit" to which the military dimension of U.S. policy has always been enslaved – and they did so both willingly and knowingly. Recourse to "ignorance" – a derivative, after all, of the word "ignore" – counts as less than an excuse among this relatively well-educated elite. To the extent that any of them were unaware of the costs and consequences to others of what they were involved in – and in many cases excelling at – it was because of their absolute refusal to see.

More likely, it was because they were too busy braying, incessantly and self-importantly, into their cell phones, arranging power lunches and stock transactions, each of which translated, conveniently out of sight, mind and smelling distance, into the starved and rotting flesh of infants.

If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I'd really be interested in hearing about it.

[Paragraph breaks added to make Churchill's rantings a bit easier to follow.] *puke*

So whatcha gonna do, Troll? Do you think he was taken out of context for his remarks on the "little Eichmanns" who died in the World Trade Center on 9/11?

240 Octopus  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:43:56pm

OT(slightly)--Isn't it something, that the lefty-fringe is now in the business of outing and bashing gays, i.e. the Jeff Gannon story? Isn't this the bunch that's ready to crawl across broken-glass, with a red rubber ball strapped across their chops, for "diversity," and all that happy-crappy?

Re: the Jeff Gannon "x-rated" photos: MY EYES! AIIEEE!
I'm just glad I'm not gay. Men are not attractive, in their birthday suits.

A new title for the revolving LGF title-bar: "Surrounded by gay hookers!"

241 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:44:20pm

Rashoman

Great nic, great film...

242 traveler  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:44:27pm
#186 traveler

Keep laughing, it works better than seeing the truth.

Ramadan: Are you the official Dispenser of Truth? Apparently you haven't let any facts get in your way.

243 religion of bacon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:44:32pm

Here we have a photo of Jensen surrounded by various moonbat-prof fetish items:

http://www.dirckhalstead.org/faculty/images/jensen .jpg

Hmm, something tells me that the woman in the "genocide != justice" poster probably isn't Jewish...

Much of his work has focused on pornography and the radical feminist critique of sexuality. In more recent work, he has addressed questions of race through a critique of white privilege and institutionalized racism.

Can you get any more cliched and predictable?!?

244 braindirt  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:45:21pm
For me, left politics... yearning for individual freedom

Notice how carefully Jensen phrased this statement. He knows that in his ideal society, you'll always be "yearning" for freedom--- but you'll never have real freedom!

245 Athos  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:45:23pm
Jensen is a self-absorbed, attention seeking twit and everyone, minus him, knows it.

He spewed some hateful message right after 9-11 and the UT's President said Jensen was "a fountain of undiluted foolishness".

Isn't tenure wonderful.

So much for the accountability and responsibility that the other 99.991% of the working people have to accept.

But then, we need to remember that Freedom of Speech is a wonderful thing - it makes it much easier to spot the idiots and enemies.

246 Sydney Carton  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:45:25pm

One thing before I sign off...

This Professor ranted that he's angry at the world as it exists. I have always held the belief that these pissed off little pricks are mad that their egos weren't stoked in society. All in all, it boils down to envy at those who were more successful than them. And, to throw mud at them in the worst awful way, let's say that it's plain sexual envy. For lack of a better term, they're mad that the cheerleaders in high school and college never looked at HIM, and instead always looked at THEM. And you know who THEY are: the beautiful and the powerful and the strong. Those blonde babes never respected his intellect and his passion for issues, and those stupid jocks never understood how he viewed society. And he's saying to himself "NOW THEY SHALL PAY!"

Yeah, sure.

And on that note, time for me to have some St. Valentine's Day Fun with my cheerleader...

247 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:45:29pm

#231 Troll

Go back to your compound - dog.

Typical fascist language.

I am very proud to be called a DOG.
Dogs are beautiful, they never BETRAY. Contrarily to the marxist fascists.

I would not be very proud to be called wormtongue, like you ARE.

248 T_IT_UP  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:46:28pm

Another myopic moonbat professor spouting off. This is yet another great argument for abolishing the tenure system.

Jensen criticizes, but he offers no feasible alternative.

The chickens that come home to roost as a result of appeasement and/or pacifism, lay rotten eggs.

Shouldn't a professor be required to know a little bit about history and logic?

249 Geepers  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:46:43pm

Hey Charles.

On a report about the blogosphere LGF gets a graphic and a nice mention on The News Hour in conjunction with the Dan Rather scandal.

Now Jim Geraghty, David Gergen and Dave Rosen are discussing Eason Jordan.

250 Gabba Gabba Hey  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:47:45pm
to take love out of the realm of dreams and make it real in the world, in action.

So it was all about love, eh? In that case shall I send you a chocolate-covered cherry bomb to show you how much I care? Sorry, professor moonbat, but I sure as sh*t didn't feel the love on 9/11. Looks to me like you're the one that's dreaming.

251 foreign devil  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:48:09pm

Swell!...another walnut rolls out of a corner! Marooons!

252 JohnSteele  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:48:36pm

As I was reading Jensen's little exposition I was thinking back to an incident that occured to me in pre-Jihad Germany, back in the halycon days of the Red Brigade and Bader-Meinhof (I'm dating myself.)

I was working at Pan Am at the time and returning home from a business trip to Frankfurt. On my way to the plane I visited a bookstall for a few moments and then moved on to my flight. 15 minutes later a bomb went off in the bookstall, killing a dozen or so and blowing the glass wall off the terminal building.

I often think about this when confronted by the left and their arguments. I missed being sent to meet my maker by 15 minutes. 15 minutes later a dozen other people, people just like me, just going about their lives doing nothing to anyone, were not so fortunate.

I have no time for the looney left. They live in safety and security, behind a wall defended by "those babykilling American soldiers", safe in the belief that they are morally and intellectually superior to the rest of us. They believe that this will save them when the 'other guys' take over becasue the 'other guys' will immediately recognize their value and embrace them to their fold.

Until their heads begin to roll.


First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.
...Martin Niemöller

253 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:49:39pm

#224 SJKevin

Beautiful words, Professor Jensen. This describes exactly why I switched over to the publican party in 2004.

Same here.
Families, friends, worlds.

We are lucky indeed that they come out with their true face.
They just missed for a little hair.
They could have shut up a little while, ten years, twenty, and we would have been destroyed by the islamist invaders without a problem.

But HYBRIS is hybris...

254 TalkinKamel  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:49:46pm

#248 Poitiers-Lepanto

There is more than one warrior in the Old Testament named "Caleb", or "Kelev"---Hebrew for dog. Obviously, the Israelites considered "Dogs" to be tough, proud creatures, not slithering "wormtongues."

Therefore, you now have my permission to call yourself "Poitiers-Lepanto-Caleb"!

/Channeling Baldwin IV, the he-was-a-Caleb-himself Leper King!

255 smartalice  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:51:25pm

Didn't Charlie Manson convince his army of murderers that they were working out of love for their victims? Susan Atkins. in her jail house confession, said "you really have to have love in your heart to do this"..."this" is referring to her stabbing of the heavily pregnant Sharon Tate.

Me thinks the professor has morphed into "Animal Farm" mode...

256 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:51:43pm

#252 John Steele

I was working at Pan Am at the time and returning home from a business trip to Frankfurt. On my way to the plane I visited a bookstall for a few moments and then moved on to my flight. 15 minutes later a bomb went off in the bookstall, killing a dozen or so and blowing the glass wall off the terminal building.

You know, you show your true colors here, you don't discuss the

CONTEXT.

/sarc off

257 traveler  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:52:21pm

#194 montanapatriot

The Texas university system has been a moonbat heaven at least since the 70's, when my husband was teaching there.

Being a product of that very system, I would agree with you. But it didn't seem as vile as it is now.

There are many, many universities that are nothing more than incubation labs for moonbats. The difference is it's finally being exposed.

Two new books "Brainwashed" and "Freefall of the American University", blow the whistle on this outrage.

Times have changed since I was there: people aren't putting up with this crap anymore.

258 Firebreather  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:52:58pm

Contrary to what many of us may be inclined to think, "intellectuals" like Jensen, Churchill, and Chomsky are not morons. They know perfectly well what they're doing. Goebbels was no moron. Hitler was a mad, psychotic genius. Castro, Pol Pot, Mao and other utopian-totalitarians are said to have been titanic intellects.

For most academic intellectuals, the utopian-totalitarian impulse is irresistible. They see it in themselves and admire it in terrorists and other Left-wing heroes. But because they live in enlightened western countries, they have to ascribe the very attributes they recognize in themselves onto the states (America, Israel) that invite their boundless wrath.

The trick is keeping these jackbooted zealots from seizing absolute power. Because if they do, it really is the end of free speech. And conservatives will be horded into concentration camps, just like European Jews 60 years ago.

Academic intellectuals = Neo-Nazis.
Americans and Israelis= Modern Scapegoats for everything bad

259 bigel[deleted]  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:53:20pm
260 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:53:24pm

Bubbles,

great film, same troll...

261 susanita  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:53:28pm

Who was it that said that Marx created communism after his older brothers got rich and he didn't? He was mad because he was "the smart one"
I just wasn't fair...
There is some historian that actually backs that up.

So I just extrapolate this to all the professors. They just don't understand why they got left behind when they are so intelligent.

262 PSGInfinity  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:54:12pm

Good Evening...Any bets on how many comments this one generates?

BTW, I think his comments are delightful...for us. It's nice to have our enemieas declaring their true affiliations and beliefs. Makes the job of rooting 'em out easier...

263 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:54:28pm

#255 SmartAlice

Didn't Charlie Manson convince his army of murderers that they were working out of love for their victims?

It's a well known characteristic of the most severe forms of PARANOIA.

The marxist-fascists share it with their cousins islamofascists.

They OVERlove the world, they just want to free it from Satan.
Have you heard it at some trial of serial killer ?
It's common.

264 Rashomon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:54:49pm

Poitiers-Lepanto #193 wrote:

Hope you are hit by the next attacks of the islamofascists, your friends, not my family.

Now, just for the sake of argument. Isn't that not just pure hatred? Is that not a fascist or stalinist or maoist attitude?
True he may not be a literal 'fascist' any more than I'm a true communist or whatever we on the left are labeled these days.

Anyway, this guy wants my family dead because I ask a question that dares to make him think?

The real question is would Poitiers-Lepanto meet me face face to talk?
Answer: No. He's a coward most likely.


239 rightasrain
Thanks for finding that and posting it.

I agree Ward Churchill is an idiot who deserves what he gets. But so does Jerry Falwell.

265 TalkinKamel  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:55:17pm

#252 John Steele

Great post!

266 smartalice  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:55:35pm

I posted before I read all the other remarks...as always Poitiers-Lepanto was right on and I was just chiming in!

Poitiers, you ROCK!

267 bigdicksplace  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:56:01pm

That lying little shitbird needs his scrawny ass handed to him.

268 traveler  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:56:13pm
#221 gymnast 2/14/2005 03:36PM PST
#204, Rashon of shit. Standing in a hole while you peer out from under a rock partially explains your perceptual problem. That still leaves your difficulties with comprehension open to speculation.

I knew Rashon of Shit was an idiot when IT claimed to know the truth, by saying the media didn't lean left and wasn't liberal.

Related note: Blogs have been all over the TV today -- even CNN had a report on them.

Guess that non-left-leaning, non-liberal MSM is forced to recognized we've called "bullshit" on them.

269 Zack  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:56:18pm
...a line from Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov: "Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing compared with love in dreams." In the essay he wrote on 9/11, I believe Churchill was facing those harsh and dreadful realities, and I believe that essay was his attempt on that day to take love out of the realm of dreams and make it real in the world, in action.

Thus does a journalism professor rationalize his support and sympathy (at taxpayers' expense) for the forces of genocidal totalitarianism.

270 RepJ  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:58:22pm

Austin, TX is the most liberal city in south. It comes to no surprise that this prof said this. However, that being said, he's in the wrong state to be saying that 'stuff'.

271 car man tim  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:58:22pm

Teach em to read, send em to school, cringe when they speak, and pray that those in their care are as naive as the Prof. is.

Academe is the next war on TERROR.

-? years of pre school;
-8 years of grade school;
-4 years of high school;
-ad infinitum years of post secondary school;
-zero (0) years in anything that wildly resembles the "REAL WORLD"; What a resume'. Get a fu$%#ng life Prof.

"God forgive them, for they know not what they say", (or do they)?

This POS is paid for this tripe?

272 JohnSteele  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:58:36pm

#208 John B 2/14/2005 03:32PM PST
So Robert Jensen believes the U.S. is a depraved criminal nation bent upon world domination...

Not all of it, just the part that doesn't agree with him and his buddies.

273 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:59:01pm

Rashoman

I am from Austin, my family has been in Austin since the late 1800's. I am also Mexican. Those are the pertinent facts about me. And I am a Physician, and not a Republican.


The moonbats flew in from the Northeast. Austinites are not LLL's. Churchill has based his academic records on outright deceit and fraud. He can, and will be eventually dismissed from UC-Boulder for submitting false information on his employment records with the state of Colorado, UC is a state run facility. Submitting false information on state employment application is also an offense punishable by the law, so he could face charges, but probably won't. Before you defend this character's right to Free Speech, make sure you know "who" you are defending. He is a fake and a fraud, but since you want him on MSNBC he will fit right in with some of the other, "non" partisan opinionists... LOL

274 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 1:59:06pm

#254 Talking Kamel

Sire,

I must say that I get a lot of NAMES in the latest times...

But of course I will gladly bow my head for this (Nth) ceremony of naming me (something).

They are angry, aren't they ? It's such a pleasure !

275 susanita  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:00:40pm

#257 traveler and montanapatriot

I would dare say UT is getting better. I was there not to long ago when they decided to be the first school with race-blind admissions. There a plenty of rich kids from Dallas and Houston who will never be indoctrinated by these bozos.
It is, after all, in Texas.

Compared to the schools we read about here there is a lot of diversity there.

That said Jensen is a freak-show and turning out the future Dan Rathers.

276 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:01:36pm

#269 Zack

In the essay he wrote on 9/11, I believe Churchill was facing those harsh and dreadful realities, and I believe that essay was his attempt on that day to take love out of the realm of dreams and make it real in the world, in action.
Thus does a journalism professor rationalize his support and sympathy (at taxpayers' expense) for the forces of genocidal totalitarianism.

Yeah. Only by spitting on the ashes of thousands of innocent people who were mass murdered can journalism professors truly find love...

Ugh.

/eye-rolling this hard hurts

277 traveler  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:02:40pm

#275 susanita

Glad to hear it. It's been 20 years since I was there -- thanks for the update.

My son wants to go there -- but he won't take any crap like that.

278 Abu Maven  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:02:56pm

OT: LGF was just mentioned on the Newshour with Jim Lehrer. It is airing again now on PBS. Discussion of Easongate.

279 exredtory  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:04:44pm

And here's another one of them:

[Link: www.irib.ir...]


From the Iranian "world service," no less.

280 traveler  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:05:15pm
#278 Abu Maven 2/14/2005 04:02PM PST
OT: LGF was just mentioned on the Newshour with Jim Lehrer. It is airing again now on PBS. Discussion of Easongate.

This morning's C-Span call-in show had the topic "Are Blogs Changing Journalism?"

99% of the callers were enthusiastically saying "Yes, finally!"

And CNN had that as their topic this afternoon.

(But our Troll said to ignore all that...Move along, Move along, No Bias Here!)

281 denbike  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:05:21pm

Western businessmen, religous leaders, imperialists ended slavery


By Thomas Sowell


TO me the most staggering thing about the long history of slavery -- which encompassed the entire world and every race in it -- is that nowhere before the 18th century was there any serious question raised about whether slavery was right or wrong. In the late 18th century, that question arose in Western civilization, but nowhere else.

It seems so obvious today that, as Lincoln said, if slavery is not wrong, then nothing is wrong. But no country anywhere believed that three centuries ago.

A very readable and remarkable new book that has just been published -- "Bury the Chains" by Adam Hochschild --traces the history of the world's first anti-slavery movement, which began with a meeting of 12 "deeply religious" men in London in 1787.

The book re-creates the very different world of that time, in which slavery was so much taken for granted that most people simply did not think about it, one way or the other. Nor did the leading intellectuals, political leaders, or religious leaders in Britain or anywhere else in the world.

The dozen men who formed the world's first anti-slavery movement saw their task as getting their fellow Englishmen to think about slavery -- about the brutal facts and about the moral implications of those facts.

Their conviction that this would be enough to turn the British public, and ultimately the British Empire, against slavery might seem naive, except that this is precisely what happened. It did not happen quickly and it did not happen without encountering bitter opposition, for the British were at the time the world's biggest slave traders and this created wealthy and politically powerful special interests defending slavery.

The anti-slavery movement nevertheless persisted through decades of struggles and defeats in Parliament until eventually they secured a ban on the international slave trade, and ultimately a ban on slavery itself throughout the British Empire.

Even more remarkable, Britain took it upon itself, as the leading naval power of the world, to police the ban on slave trading against other nations. Intercepting and boarding other countries' ships on the high seas to look for slaves, the British became and remained for more than a century the world's policeman when it came to stopping the slave trade.

"Bury the Chains" carries this incredible story forward only to the time of the banning of slavery in the British Empire. One can only hope that either Adam Hochschild or someone else writes an equally dramatic and compelling book on the saga of the worldwide struggle against slavery.

Chances do not look good. The anti-slavery movement was spearheaded by people who would today be called "the religious right" and its organization was created by conservative businessmen. Moreover, what destroyed slavery in the non-Western world was Western imperialism.

Nothing could be more jolting and discordant with the vision of today's intellectuals than the fact that it was businessmen, devout religious leaders and Western imperialists who together destroyed slavery around the world. And if it doesn't fit their vision, it is the same to them as if it never happened.

As anti-slavery ideas eventually spread throughout Western civilization, a worldwide struggle pitted the West against Africans, Arabs, Asians and virtually the entire non-Western world, which still saw nothing wrong with slavery. But Western imperialists had gunpowder weapons first and that enabled the West to stamp out slavery in other societies as well as in its own.

There's more

282 smartalice  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:06:07pm
Who was it that said that Marx created communism after his older brothers got rich and he didn't? He was mad because he was "the smart one"
I just wasn't fair...
There is some historian that actually backs that up.


So I just extrapolate this to all the professors. They just don't understand why they got left behind when they are so intelligent.

Didn't Marx's father renounce Judaism because he was a civil employee and his religion was holding him back. Later coincedentally, Karl decided to create a philosophy which made everyone equal.
Any truth to this, Lizardoids?

283 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:06:26pm

##%$

The real question is would Poitiers-Lepanto meet me face face to talk?

Note taken.

You have not answered to my (not so little) joke:


(BTW, I seriously doubt that these trolls have EVER seen a real fascist in their lives, and I do know what THEY would do if they would see one, but this is an old story and it's not interesting for the war we have to fight today)

Not only you do speak like wormtongue, you don't even recognize a REAL person when you meet one.
Poor you.
Come back when you have fought as many fascists (not of your fantasy, real ones) as me.
How will I know ? From the fact that you will speak HONESTLY.

284 Hankmeister  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:06:55pm

Jensen is such a dimbulb. When he cites "the chickens will come home to roost", why doesn't he look at that from the perspective of it was Islamofascists who threw the first punch (I mean, 2600 innocent civilians with one blow out of the clear blue sky!) and now the chickens are coming home to roost with respect to them and the rogue nations who supported them.

When it comes to issues of tough love and righteous indignation, I prefer the Marine Corps saying: No better friend, now worst enemy.

285 heliotrope  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:06:55pm

Rashomon

Am I "follower" of Falwell?...no, just accepting of a fellow traveler.

However, I suspect that there is a far larger "horde" who would join the Falwell camp than the Ward Churchill camp.

Oh, I know, numbers do not tell the story. Your people have their numbers as well. How fondly we remember Saladin, Attila, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Jim Jones, Fedor the Bell Ringer, Rasputin, and other meglomaniacs and charismatics.

Let us know when your head is about to explode. Some of us would like to tune into Jerry Springer and watch it happen.

286 Hankmeister  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:08:14pm

Sheesh! That's "No better friend, no worst enemy."

287 traveler  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:08:40pm

IIRC, didn't Falwell apologize for his remarks? I could be wrong on that.

288 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:09:29pm

Yow! LGF mentioned on PBS? :)

If they ever start talking about posters here (in addition to talking about Charles), it's going to be hilarious. :)

"Then, in a statement issued by, um, Bubble Girl..."

"Excuse me, Jim, but that's DR. Bubble Girl, I believe..."

"Oh yes. DR. Bubble Girl... Anyway..."

289 Abu Maven  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:10:18pm

280 Traveler

Gergen was going on and on about how it was a "lynch mob" and "vigilante justice."

It wasn't until the very end of the segment that the Gerraghty (sp?) guy from the National Review mentioned that Eason was treated harshly because had made similar comments in Portugal and had also covered up Saddam's crimes. But he suggested it rather meekly...

290 Athos  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:10:44pm

#264 rashomon

Anyway, this guy wants my family dead because I ask a question that dares to make him think?

My 7 year old get's it - but you don't.

No one is wishing an attack on you - the point being made is that you are busy defending those who are defending and assisting the islamofascists who have attacked us, who have pledged to continue to attack us, and are working on methods and processes to attack us.

When an enemy stands up - you can either stand and fight it or you can join in and support what that enemy stands for.

Poitiers-Lepanto has only pointed out that you appear to have made your decision...and prefer to stand with those who are fighting and speaking out against us and what the country stands for - and that regardless of your support - the islamofascists don't care and only consider you, Churchill, and Jensen as 'useful idiots' and targets like the rest of us.

291 traveler  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:11:44pm

#289 Abu Maven

Sheesh! What a bunch of bulldogs! They don't know when the game is over, do they?

292 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:11:46pm

Littlegreenfootballs.com just mentioned on The Leher News Hour!
Go LOOK NOW!

293 Abu Maven  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:12:48pm

288 rightasrain

LOL --

I am waiting for the day that "the Bigel option" and "Bigelized" comes into general usage.

294 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:13:23pm

#292 quark2

Littlegreenfootballs.com just mentioned on The Leher News Hour!

What are they saying? I'm not near a TV.

Do they think we're cute? :)

295 Athos  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:14:08pm

#273 bubble girl

Submitting false information on state employment application is also an offense punishable by the law, so he could face charges, but probably won't.

I will venture that this will be the official reason for Churchill's dismissal from his position.

If it works for College Football Coaches - it should also work for Professors who have misrepresented themselves.

296 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:14:37pm

#293 Avu Maven

I am waiting for the day that "the Bigel option" and "Bigelized" comes into general usage.

LOL! :)

297 Bigsmoke  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:14:57pm

60 hm

A spark for the freedom of Iran

298 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:15:52pm

#290 Athos

Thank you for explaining to him.
I respect the intelligence of the Lizards and I don't explain what is clearly said.

But the trolls don't WANT to talk, they just want to JUSTIFY the intellectual crimes of the far left commies.

It's sad.

The Left, as well as the Right, has a precise role to play.
Wormtongues are not what Freedom needs.

299 JohnSteele  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:15:53pm

#256 Poitiers-Lepanto

Nearly being blown to bits is sufficient CONTEXT for me. I suppose you think that we should have reached out and tried to reason with Bader-Meinhof or the Red Brigade>

300 missouri boy  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:15:56pm

#264 rashomon

"isn't that not just pure hatred"

No ..according to Churchill and Jenson...it is just an expression of love!

How can anyone seriously defend people who hate the country and system that provides them with an above average income (large income)?

In Missouri , you eleminate dogs , that bite the hand that feeds them.

moboy

301 MarkD33  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:18:27pm

Jensen has been spewing this garbage for awhile now. He called F911 a conservative movie. Yes, you read that right. A conservative movie.

The claim that "Fahrenheit 9/11" is a conservative movie may strike some as ludicrous. But the film endorses one of the central lies that Americans tell themselves, that the U.S. military fights for our freedom. This construction of the military as a defensive force obscures the harsh reality that the military is used to project U.S. power around the world to ensure dominance, not to defend anyone's freedom, at home or abroad.

What Michael Moore Misses About the Empire

302 car man tim  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:18:40pm

Those who can't... teach.
Those who can't teach... administer.
Prof. Bob...Wendy's is hiring.

303 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:18:43pm

By the way, and to honor the Past, these trolls are a shame: IF I were a fascist, they SHOULD fight me to death.

Instead they don't.
They play with words.
In their hearts, nihilism has already won.

It is very very sad.

304 Hankmeister  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:18:48pm

#84 the_real_american

Remember that one of the reasons behind USA being quite rich is that USA is one of those countries with a working press.
You might not like the stuff they write, but that still don't make him owe you anything than doing what he belives is the right thing.

Sir, that's bullshit. In a recent commercial Brian Williams opined that his job was "to tell a story." I don't want some "journalist" telling me "a story". I want to hear the news straight up. If they want to spin it or embellish it, mark it as a commentary. That's the intellectually honest and professional thing to do.

The lamestream media is getting fed its butt because now there are other ways to get at the facts and witnesses behind headline news stories. The media can spin all it wants, but now there will be a new watchdog on the block who will hold the liberal news media syndicate's feet to the fire. The journalists who get their hands caught in the cookie jar only have themselves to blame when the light of truth is shone on such jaundiced journalism.

305 Bunker Buster  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:18:54pm

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over? Are these professors required to take tests to measure how much they hate America in order to get tenure, followed by at least three discernable diagnoses from DSM-IV? Where do they dig up these cretinous creeps?

306 SwampWoman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:19:57pm
He says Ward Churchill was showing his love when he called the murdered victims of 9/11 “little Eichmanns.”

Oh, NOW I get it. It was just a big ol' hand-made valentine heart to the American people. Just love those sentiments scribbled on the inside in crayon.

I think I deserve a better valentine. Hit the road, Ward and you, too, Bobby.

307 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:20:12pm

Oh...Charles! Mob Justice!

308 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:20:58pm

#299 John Steele

I was being sarcastic, because the troll had just asked me the

CONTEXT

of Chief BullShit statements.

Sorry.
Thank you for your precious post.

309 obageegee  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:21:24pm

Sang to the tune of Tim McGraw's Indian Outlaw

"1/64th Indian Outlaw"

I'm an 1/64th Indian outlaw
The ugliest man you ever saw
My job is to sit and jaw
I’m one of a kind

All my friends call me Chain Saw
The Village Idiot is my paw-paw
He gets his orders from my maw-maw
She makes him walk the line

You can find me at my podium
I'll be beatin' on my scrodium
Pull out the pipe and smoke you some
Hey and pass it around

'Cause I'm an 1/ 64th Indian outlaw
The ugliest man you ever saw
My job is to sit and jaw
I’m one of a kind

I’m lookin' for some trouble
I yell so hard I see double
I foam so much I bubble
Lord, watch me opine

I remember the twin towers
Rained down like showers
Because of the US powers
It was the white man’s kind

Cause I'm an 1/64th Indian outlaw
Ugliest man you ever saw
My job is to sit and jaw
I’m one of a kind

I meet with people like Gadhafi
Because I know the publicity’s free
I know because he’s just like me
I do it all the time

They all gather round my lectern
Late at night just to watch em squirm
In nothin' but my buffalo perm
I got 'em standin' in line

Cause I'm an 1/64th Indian outlaw
The ugliest man you ever saw
My job is to sit and jaw
I’m one of a kind

310 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:22:55pm

Kos is suspecting that there's a new Gannon in the WH press corps, someone by the name of "John".

This is what "John" allegedly asked of Scott McClellan today:

Q You talked about sanctions against Iran if they don't comply with dismantling their nuclear energy program. Sanctions, in the past, have proven to be a joke - that they didn't work against Iraq...


Sounds like a very reasonable question, only that Kos thinks that sanctions do work, and that therefore this guy must be the new Gannon.

Anyway, just wanted to give you all some advance warning of the next moonbat target within the DC press corps.

311 JohnSteele  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:23:38pm

#308 Poitiers-Lepanto

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

Not to self: Try to engage brain before typing

312 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:25:25pm

Obageegee #309

Wow. That was really, really good. Thanks...

LOL
ROFLOL

313 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:26:37pm

#311 John Steele

We ARE at war.
There is FRIENDLY FIRE.

:- )))

314 Rashomon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:26:39pm

273 Bubble Girl

I agree Churchill is problematic and perhaps may be fired for one thing or another. I do defend his right to free speech the same way I defend the free speech of anyone in America who simply has an opinion. If Churchill is the leader of a movement to overthrow the US then he most certainly should be arrested provided this can be proven. At this point he's merely someone who is talking like Jensen and like Chomsky.

Now the question is do they wield great influence because they teach at a University? Maybe. But I think we underestimate college students and their ability to think. Despite the views of Churchill, Jensen, Chomsky et al I have met no one who thought the attacks of 9/11 were deserved. Most all Americans were all in horror. The far left can say what it wants but most American will not listen to them. Some? Sure.

Does the far left constitute a threat to this country? In my opinion no more than the far right.


283 Poitiers-Lepanto
have EVER seen a real fascist in their lives, and I do know what THEY would do if they would see one

I can honestly say I've met people with fascist beliefs, but never a real Fascist - in the Nazi sense of the term. Or maybe I have but not everyone wears their politics on their sleeve.

However, until today I've also never had someone hope that me and my friends was hit by the next attacks of the islamofascists. That I consider a threat and a very serious one and not taken lightly.

315 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:26:53pm

Ya'll PLEASE tell me this excuse for a man is a transplant to Texas.

316 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:27:47pm

Swampwoman

You'd think someone with a nic of Rashoman, would remember the story, about how something can be looked at from more the one viewpoint?

It's an enigma... wrapped in a mystery...

317 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:28:23pm

#301 MarkD33

Jensen has been spewing this garbage for awhile now. He called F911 a conservative movie. Yes, you read that right. A conservative movie.

A barking moonbat so far to the left that he thinks Michael Moore's movie is conservative?

Sounds like we need a Richter scale for moonbathood:

The Richter scale is logarithmic, that is an increase of 1 magnitude unit represents a factor of ten times in amplitude. The seismic waves of a magnitude 6 earthquake are 10 times greater in amplitude than those of a magnitude 5 earthquake. However, in terms of energy release, a magnitude 6 earthquake is about 31 times greater than a magnitude 5.

If Michael Moore is an 8 on the Moonbat Richter scale, I don't even want to think about what Jensen is like as a 9. :-)

318 SwampWoman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:28:34pm

#309

I always hated that stupid Indian Outlaw song...until now!

319 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:29:34pm

@294 rightasrain

Mentioned when discussing the rathergate affair. :)

And we've been accused of mob justice. *lol

320 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:29:58pm

Buenas Noches, El Guapo

This is for you...

Do you have these:

Honky Tonk Heroes by Columbia Country Classics
The Best of Floyd Tillman
and
Los Lobos - La Pistola y El Corazon?

321 hm  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:31:36pm

#317 rightasrain

I think Howard Dean's DNC is still looking for some 9s for their new staff.

322 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:31:46pm

Bubble Girl
Yes. I have those & more!
Also, a lotta Texas Tornados, & Freddy Fender.
BTW...
Happy Dias de Amour

323 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:32:29pm

#319 quark2

Mentioned when discussing the rathergate affair. :)
And we've been accused of mob justice. *lol

Mob justice?

We hung his lies out to dry, not his neck.

Geeesh.

324 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:32:30pm

#314 troll

That I consider a threat and a very serious one and not taken lightly.

You see ?
We can understand each other pretty well.
Your beloved commies threaten the WHOLE Country, Freedom and Civilization and I take it badly.
You seem to take it badly when it turns upon you.

That means that I am right and you are in need of a serious reflection.
I doubt you can, but you could try.

I DID meet real fascists, with dogs, chains, knives, guns.
It's not so easy as the commies, paid by the islamofascists, state.
You need to be able to FIGHT.
Like in a world war against subversion and islamofascism.

325 endotoxin  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:32:35pm

At the end of the day I think that many students in places where there are morons like Churchill and this joker come to their own conclusions politically, just as many find that their faith is strengthened by the questioning that occurs during theology courses.

I had a moron sociology professor who I constantly refuted - and I had the documentation to back it up. I got my A and went on my merry way - her idiocy only strengthened my conservative worldview.

Part of the point of college is to see what systems are out there. Unfortunatlely, some don't quite figure it out. These idiots like Churchill can say what they want, but so can I.

326 endotoxin  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:33:28pm

PIMF - unfortunately

327 foreign devil  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:34:07pm

Jensen's not even a full professor; he's only an associate. Maybe he'll talk some more and get himself canned. He doesn't have tenure... :)

328 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:34:41pm

And if the troll does not understand the last one, I am without sin.

Buuh Bye

/but you never know, I could be here...

329 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:35:05pm

Rashoman,

Where have you been? I live in Colorado now... I have LLL's perched all around me, and I have heard, firsthand, how we, the United States deserved 9/11... One woman, who was in DC near the Pentagon, who heard the explosion of the plane hitting the Pentagon, told me this, that we deserved it... And she is not the only one...

I'm glad you compared Churchill to Chomsky... if Chomsky knew such a comparison were being made, he'd either kill himself or Churchill... You have vastly insulted Chomsky with that dumb remark... LOL LOL Just wait till he hears it.. LOL

330 SwampWoman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:35:08pm

#314

Now the question is do they wield great influence because they teach at a University? Maybe. But I think we underestimate college students and their ability to think. Despite the views of Churchill, Jensen, Chomsky et al I have met no one who thought the attacks of 9/11 were deserved. Most all Americans were all in horror. The far left can say what it wants but most American will not listen to them. Some? Sure.

Well, I have to admit that I thought most of my professors were terminally afflicted with stupid and doubted whether they could find their ass with both hands. And I have NEVER backed down from a professor in class in order to get a higher grade (and I usually brought the class around to my point of view except in an education class but even there when somebody brought up a spectacularly stupid socialist point of view, EVERYBODY in the class pulled their chairs out from between us so they wouldn't be wounded in the crossfire. It was kinda funny.)

331 Athos  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:36:09pm

#303 Poitiers-Lepanto

In their hearts, nihilism has already won.

I read somewhere yesterday or earlier today an essay that basically has decided that Europe, in particular Old Europe, has fallen so far into the dregs of socialism and nihilism has probably already lost the culture / civilization war - it just hasn't realized it yet.

With regards to the US - the future doesn't look as bleak - because while there are many here who are fighting against freedom, and who are making their pact in the guise of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" - there are many more who will not back down or allow the left to neuter them.

The fact is for the far left - without hope since the fall of the Berlin Wall - this country is moving further to the right and they are becoming more disenfranchised from reality despite their efforts to ally with the islamofascists in the hope of establishing their "cultural and political utopia".

332 Paul  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:36:15pm

Jensen is another 60s relic, just like Churchill amd Rabinowitz. They sit on their tenured asses and dispense the same crapola that we heard 35 years ago. Nothing is new except the thugs they are defending; once it was Mao and Pol Pot, now its al-Zaqarwi and bin Laden but its the same stale rhetoric, the same lies, and now mass murer as an act of love.

333 PSGInfinity  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:36:56pm

#317 rightasrain

Perhaps a differing curve? Something in an asymptote, perhaps?

After all, it seems to solve the Moore -> Jensen transition problem, and allows the Moonbat curve to fall away sharply, which is pretty close to what I've seen in real life...

334 No User  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:37:01pm

Serious question, can one absolutly hate this country and its economic system while still living and thriving in it without being the an achetype of hypocrisy?


OT
O'Reilly is doing some Easton Jordon stuff tonight…

335 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:38:15pm

OT:Why does nobody love the MSM? whining from the new yorker about peoples disgust with the MSM

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

336 Patrizio  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:39:07pm

Off Topic

Behold Zimbabwean dictator Robert Mugabe, darling of collectivism, leftism and anti-globalization activists all over the world:

Seems Mugabe was upset when Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice recently branded Zimbabwe -- along with Cuba, Iran, Burma, Belarus and North Korea -- as "outposts of tyranny."
"The white man is the slave master to her," he said in a speech Friday in Harare, according to Agence France-Presse. "She has got to echo her master's voice." Mugabe referred to Rice as "that girl born out of the slave ancestry, who should know from the history of slavery in America, from the present situation of blacks in America that the white man is not a friend."

Source

337 foreign devil  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:39:14pm

#310 hm:

It would be almost worth it to wind Kos up and set him off on some Bulgarian press type or someone just to see how far he'll go. But then again, that's cruel... :>

338 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:40:30pm

Bubble Girl

Don't forget Asleep At the Wheel, Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys. :)

339 BBEV  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:41:02pm

To all the Trolls,


Churchill has the right to spew all the BS he wants at anytime . But why should I , as a tax payer have to give him the money and the forum to do so . Farwell is not supported by my tax money nor any other money from me.

340 Rashomon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:41:05pm

325 endotoxin

Part of the point of college is to see what systems are out there. Unfortunatlely, some don't quite figure it out. These idiots like Churchill can say what they want, but so can I.

Voila! Well put.


#324 Poitiers-Lepanto

I promise not to call you a fascist if you promise not to call me a commie. Now maybe it's time to self reflect.

341 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:41:28pm

#309 Obageegee
Crap - beer went up my nose!

342 Athos  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:41:34pm
I can honestly say I've met people with fascist beliefs, but never a real Fascist - in the Nazi sense of the term.

See, you don't know the definition of fascism.

1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

Sounds like a lot of other governments beyond Nazism. Nazism is just one form of fascism. Communism is another.

343 Patrizio  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:42:13pm

Off Topic

Sorry for the double post, but check this small bit from the Washington Post:

In a budget that strictly holds down funding for domestic programs not related to homeland security, urban areas have plenty to complain about, too. Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley, a Democrat, went so far as to compare Bush to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorists, saying that with his budget "he is attacking America's cities."
344 foreign devil  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:42:31pm

#336 Patrizio:

"...the white man is not a friend..."

The black man has not been much of a friend to his brothers either, especially in Africa. He should know all about that, should Robert Megabe! Shame on him!

345 endotoxin  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:42:57pm

#336

Also OT

Kind of reminds me of that cartoonist Ted Rall who penned that cartoon portraying Condi Rice as the "house nigga" - what ever was the NAACPs response? I am sure they'll have something to say about Mugabe - NOT!

346 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:43:20pm

Quark2; Bubble Girl
Or Chuck Wagon & the Wheels
Vern Gosdan
Ray Price
...

347 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:43:20pm

#334 No User

That's what I think too, I just couldn't put it so succinctly like you have...

Thanks

Serious question, can one absolutely hate this country and its economic system while still living and thriving in it without being the an archetype of hypocrisy?
348 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:45:19pm

Bubble Girl
You're right.
If they think it's bad here, go to Belize & see how they live!
Squaller would be a step up!

349 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:46:40pm

Foreign Devil

Jensen is just an Associate, no kidding, alright! This is where my UT Alumni arm twisting skills come into play... Dry up that well, nothing like having alumni on your ass for someone like Jensen...

The ex-football alumni should do the trick...

350 thanna  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:48:39pm

Journalism schools have been in trouble for years. Case in point: at Boston University, one of my journalism professors - a WPO elitist, arrived at every class drunk - so drunk that he babbled incoherently. The students revolted - demanded his ouster - BU refused. I dropped the class. Halfway through the semester he was finally dismissed. And this was a Master's level class. (c. 1980). His Washington Post credentials seemed to be all BU cared about. Teaching ability, even coherence in the classroom, mattered not. The beat goes on - 25 years later.

351 SwampWoman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:49:00pm

Alright, RebTex and Bubble Girl: I didn't see no Lyle Lovett or Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jewboys in there...

352 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:49:04pm

Rebtex

Let's just truss em up with duct tape and run em down to the middle of Mexico City, drop em off in the middle of the night with no ID or money... LOL Spending one night in a Mexican jail is excellent for Attitude Adjustments... LOL

353 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:49:39pm

@346 Reb Tex

Don't forget Red Sovine...and our goodly johnnie come lately,
Lyle Lovette...who by the way does not live far from me.

354 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:50:19pm

Bubble Girl
That sounds like a fun weekend!
Except the "no dinero" part!

355 jlfintx  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:50:22pm

OT

Charles

Would you consider doing a weekend thread about:

Corporations (foreign and domestic) that are adversarial as it pertains to causes we care about-it does not have to be hot buttion issues like abortion or gay marriage, but those that are antithetical to the causes that help moderate to conservative issues, maybe at least to the WOT. Or alternatively, a way to discuss those companies that are helpful to this cause?

After all, there are likely companies out there that are antagonistic to the causes of Israel and I know that is an issue that is close to your heart.

356 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:50:41pm

Swampwoman
Rebtex
Quark2

Quick work compiling the Master Classics of Country...

George Jones's Greatest Hits... White Lightin...

357 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:51:56pm

Quark2
Now, that's one ugly guy!
Great entertainer...
But HARD to look at!

358 BBEV  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:51:58pm

Bubble Girl


Sounds like that comes from experience ;-)

Let's just truss em up with duct tape and run em down to the middle of Mexico City, drop em off in the middle of the night with no ID or money... LOL Spending one night in a Mexican jail is excellent for Attitude Adjustments... LOL
359 Geepers  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:52:14pm

This might give us a hint as to why LGF gets turned down by Google News:

Google employees gave $207,650 to federal candidates for last year's elections, up from just $250 in 2000 when it was still a start-up. And 98% went to Democrats, the biggest share among top tech donors, a new USA TODAY campaign finance analysis shows.

via Michele Malkin.

360 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:52:17pm

@351 Swamp Woman

Jinx!

And don't forget Rodney Crowell, my next door buddy and child hood friend.

361 levi from queens  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:52:18pm

335 great link and here's the end of the article:

This is what journalists in the mainstream media are starting to worry about: what if people don’t believe in us, don’t want us, anymore?
362 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:52:26pm

#333 PSGInfinity

Perhaps a differing curve? Something in an asymptote, perhaps?

Nice!

I'll take it. :)

363 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:54:07pm

Quark2
Stars on the Water

364 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:54:22pm

This guy Jemsen is so perverted that he equates love with the planes slamming into the world trade center, and the crushing of living human beings under tons of concrete and steel. I cannot even begin to imagine the terror of the buildings collapsing, and I'm an architect. His brain must be in hell.

365 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:54:59pm

@356 Bubble Girl

WHooo Hooo! Yeee up!

366 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:55:12pm

RebTex

I figure it's a new kind of Survivor... They have to stay in Mexico City for just 24 Hours, so it's called Survivor-24...

No money, no ID and no going to the Consulate for 24 hours. Sounds easy, hunh? LOL

One of them goes into a restaurant and orders a big meal then runs out without paying, in the US, no biggee, but in MC, well, how fast can you run with mad Mexicans with baseball bats after you in a strange city? So this fellow gets beat up and has to give them his Rolex for 4 dollar meal... Oh, the possibilities

367 JohnSteele  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:55:24pm

#339 BBEV

My feeling exactly. He has every right to think and say as he believes and we all need to protect that right. However I see no Constitutional obligation to provide a taxpayer funded forum on which to do so.

Bill Mahr lost his TV show when, after making remarks about the lack of cowardice shown by the 9/11 hijackers, the advertisers bailed. The left immediately started their rant of censorship without regard for the fact that censorship is a governmental function carried out with the benefit of the coercive ability of the state. Losing a TV show because the advertisers won't pay for you hardly constitutes censorship.

Besides, as in this case Bill Mahr had the Constitutional right to say what he did --- however there is no Constitutional right to a TV program on which to do i.t

368 Buckaroo  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:56:14pm

Apologies if someone has already come up with this idea:

Should we start aome sort of "roster" for the most egregious members of the LLL Anti-American Academy -- "The honor roll of academentia" ? I'm sure we could come up with 52 (like the Iraq most wanted deck), the question is who are the "right" 52? R. Jensen, W. Churchill, S. Al-Arian, N. Chompsky, H. Basan, who else?

369 DocDublU  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:56:25pm

More from Jensen's screed..

The policies of the U.S. government in the Arab and Muslim world -- not just those of the ideologically fanatical Bush administration, but consistently across Republican and Democratic administrations -- have created justified resentment of the United States. Among those policies are unconditional U.S. support for Israel's illegal and brutal occupation of Palestinian land, the ongoing presence of U.S. troops in the Middle East and U.S. support for repressive regimes throughout the region, and (before the illegal U.S. invasion in 2003) the imposition of harsh economic sanctions on Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands.

He is a well rounded moonbat, isn't he? He hits all the looney talking points.

370 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:56:29pm

Bubble Girl
Where do I sign up?!

371 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:57:53pm

Survivor-24
Winners get a Mexican-built Mercury!
The losers wake up face down in a water trough full of ice, & stitches across the lower back!

372 scorched earth 138  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:58:10pm

"from the genocidal campaigns against indigenous people on which this country was founded," And he's so wracked with guilt about this that he's NOT gonna give up his ivory tower, marxist master card, and clump of property to the nearest Indian tribe...
"through the post-World War II assaults (both by the U.S. military and through proxy forces) on the people of the Third World — are crimes, in legal and moral terms;" Oh yeah comrade professor, the US pig dog imperialists not allowing all of Korea to be turned into a Worker's Paradise was WRONG...Just think what kim jong il could do for the world if he held all of Korea...It's a cryin' shame Greece wasn't allowed to go Communist...
"U.S. policies aimed at domination and control around the world are one of several key factors in spawning such terrorism" Right on, power to the people, thousands of years of muslim imperialism, terror and depravity are the sane actions of a repressed religion...the fact their unholy koran gives them a divine mandate to attack the civilised world doesn't bother you in the least..Fvcktard!

373 zuckerlilly  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:58:15pm

Robert Jensen and Israel:

I Helped Kill a Palestinian Today

I helped kill a Palestinian today.

If you pay taxes to the U.S. government, so did you.

And unless the policies of the U.S. government change, tomorrow will be no different.

It is easy for Americans to decry the "cycle of violence" in Palestine, but until we acknowledge our own part in that violence, there is little hope for a just peace in Palestine or the Middle East.

The first step is to abandon the mythology that the United States is a "neutral broker for peace" in the conflict. A new report by the Institute for Southern Studies shows that in the one-year period after the Sharm el-Sheikh peace agreement in September 1999, the U.S. government pumped $3.6 billion worth of arms into Israel -- an odd policy for a country playing a supposedly neutral role.

So, when we hear on the news that Israeli tanks are rolling through the cities and refugee camps of the West Bank, we should remember those tanks were made in the United States and purchased by Israel with U.S. aid. The Israeli jets and helicopters used in the assault are American F-16s, Blackhawks and Apaches. Machine guns, grenade launchers, missiles and bombs -- made in the USA, paid for with our tax dollars -- are being used to crush the Palestinian people. That means we must face two realties:

(...)

Sotty for the link to "counterpunch"

Israel Must End the Occupation

While I was standing at the edge of a recent campus rally in support of the Palestinian cause, students supporting Israel passed out fliers. One of those students and I engaged in a spirited exchange that made it clear how different were our accounts of the problem and potential solutions. One of her points was that Palestinians have to prove they are serious about peace.

"Do you think Israel is serious about peace?" I asked. "Of course," she replied.

If that's the case, I asked, why has the number of Israeli settlers living in the West Bank and Gaza almost doubled since the Oslo peace process began nearly a decade ago? Given that those settlements are one of the most serious obstacles to a peaceful solution, why would the Israeli government -- during a so-called peace process -- expand settlements in territory it illegally occupies?

(...)

zmag.org

(...)

Israel's illegal occupation of the West Bank and Gaza since 1967 is at the heart of the conflict in the Middle East, and that occupation has been possible because of support the United States -- through Republican and Democratic administrations. We call ourselves the architects of the "peace process," but in truth we have for decades blocked the international consensus for peace, which has called for Israel to give up the occupation and demanded basic rights for the Palestinian people.

(...)

374 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:58:17pm

Bubble Girl,
RebTex,
Quark2,
Swamp Woman
Y'all got somethin' against Jerry Jeff?

375 Suzanne k  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:58:22pm

#348 - Reb Tex

Belize is heaven next to Guatemala!

Honestly, Jensen needs to go back and get a bigger shovel if he's gonna dish this stuff. The arguments are so convoluted it gives me a headache.

How old is this guy? I knew guys like Churchill in the late '60's - they were the wacko end of the hippie scale. Sheesh, most grew up.

376 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:58:26pm

@363 Reb Tex

I have in the past bored the lizardoids with regales of Rodney and his dad having jam fest in their backyard next door. :)
Always remember the time one summer a friend who lived across the street from us (Cleve), shooting Rodney through the leg with an arrow. *lol

377 JohnSteele  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:59:43pm

#354 RebTex
Bubble Girl
That sounds like a fun weekend!

So let's get this straigh --- you like the idea of being trussed up in duct tape and dropped off in a Mexico City alley by Bubble Girl?

Kinky.

378 Jheka  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:00:05pm

#116 skippyMoment:

O/T: Somehow Brick Manly saw our exchange earlier concerning his blog and he left a message for you in my comments. Ah, love, true love ...

379 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:00:05pm

Rebtex

Or you can't get a room for the night, and get caught pissing in an alley, with no money, then steal tamales from the tamale cart, then end up begging the police to please, please, have pity on you, as they lock in with the other 75 guys in a 20X20 cell with a bucket for a toilet...

380 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:00:48pm

Red State Red Neck
Jaded Lover

381 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:01:48pm

John Steele
It's a good start!

382 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:02:00pm

Redstateredneck

Here, we'll add it to the list, this one's a keeper... Thanks

383 Tanker J.D.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:03:17pm

So, there I was -

Paging through year's worth of sawmill invoices and I smelled it... The distinctive smell.

Well, not a smell, really, it was a sense. Like that spidey-sense. The LGF-Troll Patrol anti-troll sense.

I knew it was here!

384 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:03:35pm

Let's not forget
Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder!

385 ajf  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:03:57pm

There is no light between the terrorists and their supporters. They both deserve the same fate and the sooner the rest of us recognize this and act on it, the better off we are.

386 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:04:22pm

@374

Walker? Uh, no? :)

387 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:04:40pm

RebTex 363

Survivor-24
Winners get a Mexican-built Mercury!
The losers wake up face down in a water trough full of ice, & stitches across the lower back!

Quark2

Always remember the time one summer a friend who lived across the street from us (Cleve), shooting Rodney through the leg with an arrow. *lol

Man, you guys got me crying, lol, lol...

388 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:04:42pm

!Una mas cervesa, Por Favor, Senorita!

389 Tanker J.D.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:04:45pm

And a HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY to all the Lizardettes and Lady Lizards in the room!

390 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:06:07pm

Tanker JD @383

The Tanker is in the house, trolls, your itty bitty troll days are numbered!

391 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:06:32pm

Tanker JD
If Cupid shoots at me again, I'm shootin' back!

392 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:08:14pm

Now two I cannot stand. Mickey Gilley...ewww!
And Johnny leaping from bed to bed Lee ...*yech!

393 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:08:14pm

Tanker JD


Día de Valentine feliz a usted también, Petrolero...
394 Tanker J.D.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:08:36pm

391 Reb Tex

I dont' think that's the "Dr. Phil" answer.

LOL!

Bubble

It seems to be an old scent, though. I think's its retreated into it's dirty little cave...

395 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:09:09pm

Quark2
HUSH YOUR MOUTH!

396 Tanker J.D.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:09:34pm

393 Bubble

Danke, Blase Fraulein.

397 Scott  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:09:36pm

Save Ilario Pantano!


Site setup by his parents

Marine Charged with Murder...

To Lt. Pantano, the two Iraqis who came toward him despite his order in Arabic to stop were mortal enemies. Booby-trapped suicide bombers are killing Iraqis by the score and some have even feigned surrender in order to get close to U.S. soldiers. But the Corps views it as murder and filed charges against him Feb. 1."
398 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:10:05pm

And so, the thread has gone full circle, because I saw Jerry Jeff Walker and Emmy Lou Harrris at the University of Colorado in Boulder in 1976; if Ward Churchill was there, I didn't see him.

399 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:11:11pm

#373 zuckerlilly

"First, the current Israeli attack on West Bank towns is not a war on terrorism, but part of a long and brutal war against the Palestinian people for land and resources. "

This freaking bastard (Robert Jensen) is talking about a combat operation that happened as the direct result of a suicide bombing that targeted SENIOR CITIZENS AT A PASSOVER DINNER IN NETANYA (where 30 mostly grandparents, INCLUDING SOME HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS, were blown up so badly that their bodies just dissolved in the explosion.)

This bastard doesn't know the meaning of the word BRUTAL.

He supports terrorism as much as Hamas spokesmen do.

This guy should be dropped right into the middle of Baghdad with a sign on him that says, "I'm a liberal, so you guys will love me and not cut off my head, right?"

This guy is as much (or more) of a monster than Churchill.

Thanks for posting this, zuckerlilly.

400 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:11:23pm

Tanker

I think it was the vast amounts of humor that made it skeedaddle, you know how they can't laugh, can't tell a joke, find find anything funny to save their lives, so sad, so, so...sad!

401 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:13:25pm

RedStateRedneck


And so, the thread has gone full circle, because I saw Jerry Jeff Walker and Emmy Lou Harrris at the University of Colorado in Boulder in 1976; if Ward Churchill was there, I didn't see him.

How could you miss him, he was the wooden Indian statue holding a joint at the side of the stage...

402 No User  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:14:32pm

#367 JohnSteele

Agree completely.
I heard a good point on the radio once about how the free market system really belies the need for government censonship. The example given (and being young guy myself, one of the few I could even cite) was Janet Jackson's breast popping out during the super bowl. The government doesn't need a law that says "no titties shalt be shown during football," because when people are offending within our system the said offense will be fixed. Point in case—money talks.
I guess that idea relates to the left rediculously pointing to blogs as lynch-mobs—blogs merely showcase problems and news, the public backlash fixes them.

403 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:14:33pm

How do we get this Robert Jensen bastard fired?

404 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:14:34pm

Bubble Girl

Not too long after shooting Rodney playing "indians", Mr. Quickdraw shot himself in the leg doing a fast draw. *lol
Rodney was there, so that was his retribution...laffing all the way to the hospital. *lol

405 Tanker J.D.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:15:59pm

397 Scott

Thanks for the link.

From the story, it sounds like the guy has a lot of facts on his side...

Sometimes it so unclear why a command will take the steps it does in certain cases... It's too easy to say that the Command "must know something" in order to proceed the way it is. But, that's not apparant from the story...

406 SwampWoman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:16:40pm

#391 RebTex

If Cupid shoots at me again, I'm shootin' back!

I reckon Cupid might still have an arrer or 2 left in his quiver to shoot you in the ass again...

So if you are temporarily between marriages, how'd you celebrate Valentine's Day? (I'm supposed to be workin' on my expense report that I forgot to send in, not playin' on LGF so I gotta run soon.)

After writin' these expense reports, I figure that maybe I'll switch over to writin' some o' them there bodice ripper soft porn books. I figure that would take considerable less creativity than my expense reports...

407 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:18:31pm

Swamp Woman
I'm chin deep in one right now!
.
.
A horse back ride at sunset.
It was all I could come up with.
It seemed to work , though!
I can't stay long either!

408 T. Jefferson  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:19:01pm

Our whole education system is desperately in need of some free market competition. It is a crime to have to pay for an education as worthless as most kids are getting today.

409 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:19:14pm

#406 SwampWoman

You should write or go on stage, you are a great writer, funny, and insightful... Great stories...

Happy Valentines!

410 pookleblinky  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:20:02pm

OT

Has anyone here read Mark Steyn today?

It's a good basic axiom that if you take a quart of ice-cream and a quart of dog faeces and mix 'em together the result will taste more like the latter than the former. That's the problem with the UN. If you make the free nations and the thug states members of the same club, the danger isn't that they'll meet each other half-way but that the free world winds up going three-quarters, seven-eighths of the way. Thus the Oil-for-Fraud scandal: in the end, Saddam Hussein had a much shrewder understanding of the way the UN works than Bush and Blair did.

411 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:20:27pm

Quark2

Are we related? LOL

412 Tanker J.D.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:20:51pm

406 Swamp Women

After writin' these expense reports, I figure that maybe I'll switch over to writin' some o' them there bodice ripper soft porn books. I figure that would take considerable less creativity than my expense reports

Oh you mean like my Staff Duty Log was an LT...

413 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:20:56pm

Any of you make any of the Outlaw Concerts ? Willie, Johnny, EmmyLou and Waylon. I promise I didn't swallow all of that beer and chevas we guzzled. And I didn't inhale either! *lol

414 Catttt  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:20:57pm
"...'Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing compared with love in dreams.' In the essay he wrote on 9/11, I believe Churchill was facing those harsh and dreadful realities, and I believe that essay was his attempt on that day to take love out of the realm of dreams and make it real in the world, in action."


Harsh and dreadful reality of love? This on St. Valentine's Day? Sounds more like rape to me.

415 colosurfbum  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:21:57pm

I wonder if the far left realizes that they're chickens are comming home to roost as middle america both liberal and conservitive are fed up and done with the anti-americanism they spew forth. From Fonda to Churchill people have had enough and now they're "blow Back" is happening and , suprise suprise they are shocked.

416 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:22:14pm

RedState

I love Emily Lou...


Jensen is only an Associate, let's go after his Professor too! Two for one!

417 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:22:43pm

Quark2
I've made Willie's picnic...TWICE

418 foreign devil  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:24:08pm

#349 Bubble Girl:

You go girl! Check to make sure that's right, though! I got it off a link in this thread but I didn't check the date of the publication. I'll see if I can find it again and check it out.

419 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:24:13pm

#415 Colosurfbum
When I glanced at your nic, I thought it said
colostrum
hahaha

420 Luigi  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:25:18pm

Tragic death of BBC journalist Kate Peyton

A lovely young lady working for the BBC was gunned down in her prime on the streets of Mogadishu last week:

BBC producer shot dead in Somalia

It was a ROP hit. The tragedy is compounded enormously by the failure of the BBC to tell the truth about the death.

According to lastnightsbbcnews quoting the Telegraph, she was shot after a Muslim cleric

issued a fatwa against westerners entering one of the world's most lawless cities ... Somalia has been without a central government for 14 years. The capital is overrun with gunmen ... No westerners live in Mogadishu and correspondents who travel there normally hire at least 10 armed bodyguards. Islamic extremists have threatened to attack any foreigner.


Yet the BBC did not have the decency to print this truth for the sake of their lost colleague. Nowhere does the BBC reporting mention the ROP or the fatwa. Even in the name of their fallen comrade, PC uber alles. If anything can be lower than sh*t, its the BBC. And I know they're reading this.

421 antipilgerite  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:25:33pm

I suppose when Jensen writes crap like this he's expecting the reader's response to be something along the lines of "My God, this cultured, educated, tenured, intellectually superior man can understand the motives of the terrorists, even sympathise with them. This casts everything in a totally new light!". Little does he realise the reader's actual response is likely "What an asshole" or "Robert Jensen sympathises with Al-Qaeda? All the more reason to kill them."

The funny thing is, if someone who'd lost family in 9/11 beat Jensen's ass into the ground, I doubt he'd apply his "chickens come home to roost" theory to the pummeling.

422 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:26:49pm

Luigi
That's a real downer. : |

423 Obi-Wan  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:26:53pm

The citizens of The United States of America have built history's greatest civilization with the highest standard of living and the greatest amount of individual freedom ever known to humanity.

Unfortunately, this progress has come at a price: College professors.

424 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:28:00pm

#423 Obi-Wan

LOL

425 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:28:11pm

Happy Valentine's Everybody! I've got to go feed kids and dogs and husbands.

Later...

426 JohnSteele  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:29:07pm

420 Luigi

The simple reason for not mentioning it is that Eason Jordan told the BBC that Cheney and Rumsfeld hired Halliburton to subcontract the job the the US Army's 'Babykiller Battalion' to do the deed after Rove passed along the instructions from Bushitler.

/sarcasm ?

427 SwampWoman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:29:55pm

#417 RebTex

Quark2
I've made Willie's picnic...TWICE

I've never even been INVITED to Willie's picnic despite the fact that I've been a fan even in high school. Just an oversight on his part, I'm sure. So, did he have bbq beef or pork?

428 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:30:41pm

@411 Bubble Girl

Did we have the same neighbours? :)

429 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:30:43pm
#417

RebTex  2/14/2005 05:22PM PST

 Quark2
I've made Willie's picnic...TWICE

quark2 and bubble girl to Rebtex:

We're Not Worthy...
We're Not Worthy...

as we bow and scrape before him... LOL

430 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:31:41pm

Swamp Woman
Some get in without an invite.
The Texas Cattlemans Association usually provides tickets.

431 SwampWoman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:32:19pm

#409 Bubble Girl

You should write or go on stage, you are a great writer, funny, and insightful... Great stories...

Happy Valentines!

Wow! That's possibly the nicest thing anybody has ever said to me. Thanks!

Um, you ain't an M.D. psychiatrist on Charles' vast right wing staff that is here to minister to the feeble minded, are you?

432 Obi-Wan  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:32:41pm

#424 Bubble Girl

Think about it. The system that has bestowed the greatest benefit on its citizens is the one they want to destroy.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

433 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:33:10pm

Ladies!
Please!
You embarass me!

434 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:33:13pm

428 @ Quark2

@411 Bubble Girl


Did we have the same neighbours? :)


Wait, I'll check, nooo, we are the neighbors... LOL as Bubble Girl shoots her big toe off with a .22 waving to Quark across the pasture...

435 Catttt  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:34:07pm

406

I figure that maybe I'll switch over to writin' some o' them there bodice ripper soft porn books.

Ha!
They're supposedly less popular than they used to be, but they still sell like hotcakes. However, they tend to have flowers or a stately home on the cover and the hot picture hidden inside, so women don't get embarassed by the cover (don't ask me how I know this).

Blame Rosemary Rogers - she started it, supposedly, when "Wicked Loving Lies" was picked for publication when the editor was in a hurry to go on vacation. The editor supposedly said "It's junk, but I couldn't put it down."

436 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:34:24pm

If you've got the dinero, I've got a camero!
Good song!

437 jeff1999  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:34:31pm

OT

Sorry for the OT guys but CNN just did a pretty big piece on the effects of internet bloggers. A really fair piece, giving a lot of credit to bloggers.

More here.


Did anyone else see the first part of the show? (I know, I know it was CNN). Sometimes being a Canadian without Fox pays.

438 foreign devil  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:34:32pm

Bubble Girl:

Here's your quarry courtesy of "2x4 wielder". BTW, this was current in 2004 because they refer to one of his books published in 2004 so as of this past year he was still an associate prof. Go get 'im!

439 atlasshrugged  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:34:57pm
440 SwampWoman  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:35:04pm

#430 RebTex

Swamp Woman
Some get in without an invite.
The Texas Cattlemans Association usually provides tickets.

Um, if I wear my livestock clothes, the faint odor of sheep piss permanently emanating from my boots will probably either get me banned or hung by the Texas Cattleman's Association.

441 sonofsheldon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:35:17pm

OT
"Google employees gave $207,650 to federal candidates for last year's elections, up from just $250 in 2000 when it was still a start-up. And 98% went to Democrats, the biggest share among top tech donors, a new USA TODAY campaign finance analysis shows."

This is from an article in USA Today, which may help explain why LGF is not listed as a Google News source.

442 foreign devil  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:35:25pm

Bubble Girl:

Oops! Forgot to give you the link courtesy of 2x4 wielder.

[Link: journalism.utexas.edu...]

443 JohnSteele  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:36:14pm

436 RebTex

There are some truly strange people on LGF. No one here right now of course :-)

444 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:37:14pm

#428 Foriegn Devil

Muchas Gracias!

445 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:37:50pm

Swamp Woman
"the faint odor of sheep piss "
There's NO SUCH THING!
Kinda like billy goat beards, you know when one's around!

446 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:37:50pm

@421 antipilgerite

I really really appreciate your nic. :)

447 PDM  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:38:14pm
448 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:38:49pm

Ooops, posted this on wrong thread (except its OT anyway)

OT


Watching something on Nat'l Geographic Channel, and I was trying to figure out what a captain of a Canadian Coast Guard ice breaker sounds like, and I realize, hey, them Canadians almost sound Scottish.


Just wondering if the not quite American accent of the Canadians is due to a Scottish influence.

449 foreign devil  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:38:52pm

#440 Swamp Woman:

Would that be the incomparable "Eau de Ewe"? ;)

450 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:39:39pm

Malcolm X was correct, and it was appropriate for Churchill to quote him: Chickens do, indeed, come home to roost. And whether U.S. citizens want to acknowledge it or not, there likely will be chickens heading our way for years to come.

damn straight,
and if the chickens dont lay eggs, and support the farm.

we wring their friggin necks, and watch them dance all over the yard. pluck their feathers, and have chicken dumplins for dinner.

but malcolm x had more compassion for his people than either one of these bastards. he also wanted the jobs, saftey, and the education that america could provide.
old saying, dont kill the hen, or goose that lays the golden egg.

and another question, ass holes, how many black people died in the 9/11 attack.

he just rolled over in his grave when they quoted him.

451 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:39:44pm

#431 Swampwoman

Um, you ain't an M.D. psychiatrist on Charles' vast right wing staff that is here to minister to the feeble minded, are you?

Nope, I'm one of the feeble minded...

452 hadanuf  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:40:25pm

Jensen teaches little marxist "journalist" how to stuff radical ideas on society That is why we have people like Jordan.

453 foreign devil  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:40:32pm

#440 Swamp Woman:

Mayhap, "Eau de l'Agneau"? Better? Beats sheep ship,..sh*t, p*ss, whatever.!

454 skywarner  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:40:35pm

I am a journalist for several technically oriented magazines and periodicals.

The fact that this moonbat Robert Jensen is also a "journalist" - and a professor of journalism for that matter - simply makes me sick. His writings are not build upon facts. Instead, they are built upon the inept lies that swirl around his mind and the minds of the other LLL moonbats.

455 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:41:58pm

John Steele
You can't imagine what a Camero does for an average guy down South!

456 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:42:08pm

Atlas


"It's just not working out." ("My new boyfriend told me that it just wasn't working out between you and me.")
457 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:43:20pm

Rebtex


"We want different things." ("I want someone who can buy me a new car.")
458 foreign devil  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:43:32pm

#447 PDM:

Gaaagghh! My eyes!

459 christheprofessor  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:44:42pm

As a thinking professor, I'd like to dissociate myself with the moral relativism that "Professor" Jensen espouses. I haven't read the thread, but I find it interesting that his field is journalism -- not history, not politics, but journalism -- a field many enter to "make a difference," rather than to objectively report facts.

460 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:45:24pm

All the experts agree
Spanish is a loving tongue
But, she never spoke Spanish to me

461 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:46:31pm

@430 Reb Tex

The Texas Cattlemans Association usually provides tickets.

Yeah that's the argument me and hubby are having these days...which cattle to buy. He wants the corrente (hot rodeo cattle) and me wanting either seminthal or brahma mix. So then we can join the association...where' my tickets

/day before yesterday even!


Bubble Girl

*ROTHFLMAO! Did you sew it back on?

462 JohnSteele  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:47:05pm

455 RebTex

Once upon a time I used to understand the relationship between guys down here and Cameros. When I first moved here to Miami it was truly a Southern city.

Now it is anything but ... :-) [but I date myself again]

463 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:47:10pm

Si te guieres de verdad
Yi te da felicidad
Te de seo lo mas bueno para los dos
Pero si te hace llorar a mi me puesdes hablar
Estare contigo cuando triste estar

464 Hankmeister  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:47:17pm

Jensen and Churchill both remind me of something my dad used to tell me as a young teen: "Son, the only thing worse than an uneducated fool is an educated fool."

What the radical left and rent-a-ranters have been spewing since 9/11 has convinced me even more of the truth of this homespun axiom.

465 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:47:26pm

ChrisTheProf

Happy VD!

Another Bad Breakup line:


Paradigm Function Morphology: I've realized you just don't fit in my paradigm.
466 foreign devil  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:47:36pm

#448 Ed Mahmoud: stop changing your nic:

There's a HUGE Scottish influence all along the east coast, Newfoundland and down the St. Lawrence River right to Ottawa and even Toronto. HUGE. Their speech patterns and the singsong lilt where sentences end up in the air is very common here.

467 christheprofessor  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:48:52pm

From the good Jensen's web site:

Articles and essays on race, racism and white privilege
by Robert Jensen

Need I say more?

468 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:49:06pm

#447, pdm

lol

looks like a flock of chickens with their heads about cut off.

469 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:49:27pm

#461 Quark2

It's in a plastic cup in the fridge, I can't miss the Redneck show for a some dumbass toe...

470 christheprofessor  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:50:02pm

Hi Bubbles...

Happy VD? I hope you mean St. Valentine's Day... ;)

471 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:50:29pm

Quark2
The Corriente are easily kept & require less feed & pasture than most.
Their value stays high because they're used for ropin' steers.
We have Red Angus.
It's not as heardy, but brings more per pound on the hoof.

472 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:52:56pm

OT: The left have started up their 9/11 conspiracies again.
Here is a little something I found over at instapundit to help conbat the insanity: Facts.

[Link: www.popularmechanics.com...]

473 will_not_back_down  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:53:23pm

#439 atlasshrugged

Thanks Atlas.

Happy Valentines All Lizards!

474 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:53:34pm

#463 Rebtex

Un buen hombre de Tejas vale dos en el arbusto. Día De Valentines Feliz...

475 AU  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:54:04pm

OT:
But still on topic in regard to commie iditorians:

She no longer has an eating disorder. But nothing has cured her commie disorder.

[Link: entertainment.msn.com...]

476 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:54:14pm

@455 Reb Tex

Hey, them Camaros do wonders for us'n texican cowgirls too. :)
1992 RS Camaro (25th Anniversary) two owners, me and the guy who ordered it with shaved doors.

477 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:54:24pm

#472FreeSpeech
Screw'em!
Perpetual losers.

478 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:55:02pm

ChrisTheProf

LOL...

479 pookleblinky  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:55:26pm

Break up the Chomsky way!

480 PollyPrissypants  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:55:34pm

Happy Valentines Day to lizards everywhere!

I just can't bring myself to read anything to do with Jensen or Churchill today...*spit*

481 Austin Conservative  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:56:53pm

Jensen is a fucking idiot. Plain and simple.

OTH, he does help keep Austin Weird.

482 car man tim  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:57:30pm

Charles...

This thread is smokin, what have u done 2 us...and why?

Looney Tunes not. Charles...

483 hornet  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:59:03pm

Mob justice here is a beautiful thing. Learn from it and change. 24 is coming on now, gotta go.

484 christheprofessor  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:59:04pm

car man tim

obviously, this is the SVDDT...

485 HULUGU  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:59:19pm

i'm amazed and pleased that so many lizards watch the pbs newshour--whodda thunk it--rolling in the hay with the enemy--open minds--counter-intelligence ops--shows we look at all sides--how many moonbats would admit to watching fox news?--not many i daresay--good on ya

486 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:00:03pm

Bubble Girl
Feliz Dias de Amor

487 christheprofessor  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:01:58pm

Hey! If y'all keep speaking in Spanish et al, then I'm gonna speak in binary, dammit (the only other language I know)...

488 Hankmeister  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:02:05pm

These left-wing loons have their heads so far up their ivory towers they are of no earthly good.

It's about time their utopian house of cards come crashing down. And on the day they finally do wake up next to their strange Islamofascists bedfellows, they may quickly find their heads separated from their bodies. Wouldn't wish it upon them, but it would be poetic justice of sorts...you know, a house divided and all.

It's mind-numbing that the liberal socialists in this country played useful idiots to the Soviet Union for all those decades and now in the 21st Century they rush to be useful idiots for the Islamofascists. Go figure.

489 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:02:34pm

Quark2
Hot chicks in hot cars is a devistating combination!

490 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:03:24pm

@471 RebTex

My brother in law has a corriente , they use him for practice. He has two speeds. Stop and slow. *lol

I like the brangus type cattle too. Long ago I had a really good looking red bramah bull, called him Red Start Kikker. Then we had a gorgeous simenthal/beef master bull. When we sold him he weighed 2000lb. He didn't go for slaughter either.

If we had the corriente we could either lease them out, or sell them to rodeo stock broker like the Christian Brothers.

491 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:04:21pm

Chris
Sorry.
Just brushin' up for a trip!
Gotta knock the rust off if I hope to enjoy myself.

492 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:05:17pm

I have to calm down now, the top of my head has just blown off from laughing... and I have to take the toe out of the fridge, it's been floating in a plastic cup of Shiner Beer, down to the ER to get it sewed back on...

493 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:05:58pm

Quark2
ANYTHING with Brahma or Charlais in it requires a really GOOD fence.

494 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:06:33pm

RebTex

Hot guys in hot cars... lethal... to hot chicks...

495 loflyer  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:06:37pm

You have to wonder how these wacky professors got to these extreme opinions that so many of them display. Do they no longer interact with the rest of the American population? Or have the universities become the cloistered retreat of the extreme liberal where only liberal thoughts are sanctioned and all logic warped to the values of groupthink? I am hoping that more of these wacko’s will start spouting off so we can all see how warped many of academia have become. The most warped idea is that the US is the root of all evil in this world. These are the same folks that were telling us how good the Soviet Union was during the seventies and eighties. They had access to more information about the Soviets but selectively discarded all information that did not meet their pre-conceived ideas about communism. When the Soviets fell apart we found out how bad things really were in the Soviet Union. This was because the MSM was also selective in what they published about the Soviets. Nowadays the MSM is even more selective in stories dealing with the Palestinians, the Muslims and the ME in general. If it wasn’t for the Internet blogs most of us would be clueless as to what is really going on in the world, which seems to be the whole idea of the liberal agenda. Keep the population under liberal control by using the media to manipulate the opinions of the masses. You could almost call it thought control.

496 christheprofessor  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:06:59pm

#491 Rebtex

No problemo, mi amigo.. Or, as I like to say,

1000100010011101000011100101001010011110101010

497 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:07:05pm

#475 au


BOZEMAN, Mont. -- Actress Jane Fonda shared her struggle with bulimia and quest for physical perfection at a conference of teenage girls here, urging them to realize what it took her some 60 years to understand.

eating too much rice in north vietnam really screwed her up.

hanoi jane could have spent a couple of years in the hanoi hilton,

better than any fat farm the us could offer.

no offense to the brave americans that lived and died there.

498 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:07:37pm

Bubble Girl
Did I mention my 280zx TURBO?!
With T-TOPS?!

499 PollyPrissypants  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:07:54pm

494 BG
Ya got that right!

500 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:09:26pm

We once floated down the Colorado at night. Why at night? Cause we're pretty stupid... We stopped somewhere at a pasture and pulled out the canoe, then carried it towards a house with light... We kept hearing all this snorting and stomping around us...

When we got to the house, the guy there said the pasture was full of Rodeo Bulls...

501 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:09:42pm

Chris
REmember the joke...
There are 10 kinds of people.
Those that understand Binary & those that don't!

502 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:10:38pm

my last post,

both of them are double wide traitor trash.

503 EE  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:10:42pm

In his book Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left, by David Horowitz, the author devotes a chapter to one of the strands of modern neo-Communism, "The Anti-American Cult".

Noam Chomsky's demonic views and seditious actions would be of little interest -- intellectual or otherwise -- but for the fact that they have such wide support in academic circles, the popular culture, and communities abroad, where Chomsky's prominence is even greater than in his homeland. Critics of the Chomsky phenomenon often fail to appreciate that this is not so much the cult of an individual -- Chomsky is an impressivley boring speaker and middling writer (when he even bothers to write the books he turns out). The Chomsky phenomenon is rather the expression of an anti-American cult, for whose primitive hatred Chomsky performs a ventriloquist function. Chomsky did not spring into being de novo but is the product of a left-wing culture that had already traveled far down the path of fanaticism and the convicition that a nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal is really a Great Satan -- an empire built on slavery and dedicated to oppression and imperial conquest.
The scope of this cult is indicated by the proliferation of lesser Chomskys who feed the hungers of movement activists for anti-American litanies and rationales. Most prominent among these is Chomsky's intellectual twin, the popular historian Howard Zinn. Like Chomsky, Zinn has produced a corpus of work that is a cartoon version of American history in which the nation is pilloried as an evil empire. Zinn has even published a Chomsky-like tract of table talk on 9/11, blaming America and its alleged crimes in the Third World for the terrorist attack and characterizing the victim as a terrorist state.
.. Like Chomsky's rants, Zinn's book has been embedded by leftist academics in the collegiate and secondary schools curricula...
.. The political agenda of A People's History of the United States is already announced in its historical method. In an explanatory coda to his book Zinn explains to the reader that he has no interest in striving for objectivity, and that his intention is to view American history as a conspiracy of rich white men to oppress and exploit "the people." The so-called "people" are Indians and other minorities, especially blacks ("There is not a country in world history in which racism has been more important, for so long a time, as the United States"), women, and the industrial proletariat.
Zinn begins his narrative not with the settling of North America, or the creation of the United States as one might expect, but with a long chapter on Columbus's "genocide" against the native inhabitants, an event that even if it had happened as Zinn describes it -- was an act committed by agents of the Spanish empire more than a century before the English settled North America and nearly three centuries before the creation of the United States, which is also geographically well removed from the scene of the crime. It is Zinn's unintended way of announcing the tendentiousness of his entire project, which is really not a "history" of the American people but an indictment of white people and the capitalist system...
504 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:10:49pm

@489 Reb Tex


Yeah, the cops sure like stopping that car. *lol
All them dark windows you know. :)

505 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:10:55pm

I've done the Frio river.
Never in a canoe
Never at night!

506 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:11:12pm

RebTex

My brother had 280ZX, but no T-tops, a GTO, Javelin, and a Firebird...

507 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:12:24pm

IBM Keyboard
There ain't no trash in my trailer
Since the day I threw her outta here

508 Bubble Girl  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:12:28pm

#496 Chris

LOL

509 ttonn  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:12:35pm

WE are the chickens who are coming home to roost. 9/11 is being revenged bigtime thanks to W. If I hear one more lefty jerk-off use the expression "our policies" or "our failed policies" without giving a single example of precisely WHAT policy he is talking about, I am going to go postal.

510 car man tim  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:13:36pm

I'm in OIL (sorry, I don't set prices).

Can someone on God's green earth please tell me where the f&%k on this earth these pseudo-yahoo intellectuals could even faintly hold a job other than Academe?

Thank you.

Honestly...

YCHJCYAQFTJbox

511 Rashomon  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:16:59pm

#450 ibmkeyboard

Malcolm X was correct, and it was appropriate for Churchill to quote him: Chickens do, indeed, come home to roost.

It should be noted that Malcolm X said this in reference to the assassination of JFK. The meaning behind the term was basically, "Look I'm a black man and I really don't much care that the white president has been assassinated."

If you take that statement within context and apply it to what Churchill said it seems Churchill wasn't too upset about the attacks of 9/11. For that the man should be taken to task or maybe to the mat.

512 Grumpy Tory Student  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:17:04pm

I can't say I'm terribly surprised that this guy is a journalism professor.

It's become a default given that most of the rhetoric from leftist professors comes from those who really have no idea what the h-ll they're talking about. It seems to be a prerequisite for lefties to have opinions strongest when they know nothing about it.

Like my history prof who tried to debate economics, my lit major friend who tried to debate basic political science, my psych and philosophy major friend who tried to talk about historical approaches...

As my dad's friend said as he mocked the left, "I've already made up my mind, don't confuse me with the facts."

513 christheprofessor  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:17:28pm

#508 Bubbles, # 501 RebTex

“There are three types of people in this world, those who can count and those who can't.” Anonymous

514 Nahanni  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:18:32pm

Every state has an insane asylum.

In Texas it is the city of Austin.

515 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:19:13pm

410 pookleblinky

Send !that Steyn piece to everyone you know.

I know someone whos parents worked for the UN. I haven't had the courage to ask her if they're disillusioned.

516 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:19:56pm

Chris
That's funner 'n midgets runnin' track!
/Larry the Cable Guy

517 petermcc  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:20:44pm

It's the sign of the times with blogs, like LGF, being so popular. These college professors have had little to fear for so long that they have to come up with some really weird ideas to get noticed. "Getting noticed" was never all that costly in the past especially if the professor was on tenure. Now a well-known blog or two picks up some professor's rantings and before you know it the ranter is hoping to keep his job.

The beauty of this is that these folks are getting leveled by their own quoted words.

Is it conceivable that the universities in the Bush states may start to see a need to bring in more conservative professors?

518 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:21:20pm

John Steele: What a story! I'm very glad you made it out of that bookstore on time, instead of becoming a victim of Baader-Meinhof's "love."

There is one thing and one thing only that I can credit Jensen with: He frequently participates in the Frontpage symposiums run by Jamie Glazov. Those symposiums make for great reading when you have the time: a pair of anti-idiotarians square off against moonbats. Jensen's arguments are predictably, lame and nasty, and he gets his ass handed to him all the time, but at least he's willing to try and debate with conservatives. Glazov has trouble finding leftists with enough balls to participate. Not surprising - how would you like to go up against VDH? Pitting VDH against Jensen is like pitting Ali in his prime against Carrot Top.

Of course, it might very well be that Jensen is too stupid to realize he's getting his ass handed to him and thinks he's scoring big against the wingnuts. LOL!

519 godfrey  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:21:52pm

This is one post, late in the thread, and it won't amount to much, but I read all of this, and I read Drudge's latest link to speculation that the FEC is going to clamp down somehow (?) on "the internet" (i.e., Kos the Shill et al), and I can't help but recall my moonbat Ph.D. colleagues who said, irritated that I was always defending the concept of Fact, "We KNOW, we KNOW. It's POLITICS, you fool!" I'm convinced that Jensen and his ilk (like Kos) know perfectly well what they're doing, which is this: they want to increase the power and reach of the State by doing things that will cause the State to extend its power and reach to prevent them from doing it. That's why they "push boundaries," hold seditious opinions, etc. All of it is a ruse to increase the power of the State, which they then hope to run as ruling-class Mandarins. Simple thesis/antithesis work, and the creation of an apparat.

520 PollyPrissypants  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:21:56pm

513, 516 - RebTex and ChrisTP - you guys are really on tonight! Too funny...

521 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:22:07pm

Bubble Girl

Even hotter...blow your socks off (sans the toes) hot pickup trucks...hunk o man...wooohhhfff!
And I do mean serious trucks that can pull a dead or live weight load...hot sweaty torsos out in a sweet smelling hay meadow, right in the middle of a cutting...ah! :)

If you're serious about that toe...OMG!...travel mercies to the ER!

522 J.D.  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:22:43pm

This, I posted yesterday. Moonbat professors need to be exposed, but a lot of our kids are smarter you think. Take heart.

...There have always been conservative students on campus: more than a half-century has passed since a just-matriculated William F. Buckley published God and Man at Yale, lamenting his alma mater’s secularism and launching the author on his now-legendary career. But never has the Right flourished among college kids as it does today.

The number of College Republicans, for instance, has almost tripled, from 400 or so campus chapters six years ago, to 1,148 today, with 120,000-plus members (compared with the College Democrats’ 900 or so chapters and 100,000 members). And College Republicans are thriving even on elite campuses. “We’ve doubled in size over the last few years, to more than 400 students,” reports Evan Baehr, the square-jawed future pol heading the Princeton chapter. The number of College Republicans at Penn has also rocketed upward, says chapter president Stephanie Steward, from 25 or so members a couple of years ago to 700 members today. Same story at Harvard. These young Republican activists, trudging into battleground states this fall in get-out-the vote efforts, helped George W. Bush win. ...


On Campus, Conservatives Talk Back

523 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:23:56pm

Quark2
Does a pole truck count?

524 christheprofessor  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:24:15pm

#517 petermcc

Is it conceivable that the universities in the Bush states may start to see a need to bring in more conservative professors?

Don't count on it... The only way they will is when the taxpayer rebels against this leftist shit being funded by tax dollars. Then, we'll get balance...

525 t2139dldps  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:27:11pm

after taking a look at his web page. it's too bad that boys' daddy wasn't on the ut campus when charles whitman did his thing from the tower...

526 PollyPrissypants  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:27:33pm

Bob Beckel just said poor Eason Jordan was attacked by a bunch of lynch mob minded bloggers. That Jordan deserves benefit of the doubt and it's based on a blogger and we're throwing a 20-year career down the drain because of bloggers who shoot first and ask questions later. What a loooser.

527 jwpaine  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:28:05pm

#356 Bubble Girl

I didn't see Hank Thompson in there.
Or Johnny Horton.
Or Jimmy Dean
Or Charlie Pride
Or Connie Smith
Or Buck Owens
Or Merle Haggard...

528 christheprofessor  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:28:54pm

#520 PollyPrissypants

Glad you are enjoying it... We'll be in Las Vegas from the 16-20th, then in Palo Alto from ...

529 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:29:33pm

{Polly Pirssy Pants}
Jordan is the one that's thrown 20 years down the drain.

530 PollyPrissypants  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:30:26pm

#528 - oh goody...I'll start working on my backstage pass credentials!

531 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:31:14pm

@502 Reb Tex

The Frio, my mostest favourite river in Texas...then comes the Medina. :)

532 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:32:02pm

im sorry,
could not help myself,

roses are red,
violets are blue,
im a skisofrenic,
and so am I.

533 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:32:30pm

J W Paine
Long Black Veil
Big John
Kiss an Angel Good Mornin'
Tiger by the Tail
The Fugative

534 PollyPrissypants  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:32:49pm

#529 {RebTex}
So it's not our fault? Whew...I was weeping openly that I was associating with people who could be so cruel to an innocent person.

Yeah, right.

535 jwpaine  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:33:17pm

#513 christheprofessor

There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't.

536 christheprofessor  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:33:28pm

#532 ibmkeyboard

hey, if you are schizophrenic, be here and, be somewhere else...

537 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:34:50pm

#525
lol
would have probably missed the freak.

538 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:36:25pm

@523 Reb Tex

Um, depends on what you mean by pole truck :)

I like those Top Kick trucks too...about 5 tons with living quarters in the back. Yowza!

539 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:38:00pm

Quark2
::BLUSHING::
The big kind

540 jwpaine  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:38:21pm

#533 RebTex
Long Black Veil (lot of ppl, but I liked Cash's best)
Big John (Jimmy Dean)
Kiss an Angel Good Mornin' (Charlie Pride)
Tiger by the Tail (Buck Owens)
The Fugative (Merl Haggard--but he misspelled it "The Fugitive")


back at you:
Purple People Eater
Johnnie Reb
Rock Island Line
Six Days on the Road
The Auctioneer

541 christheprofessor  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:38:59pm

#535 jwpaine

Shouldn't it be, along the lines of the original quote, 11 kinds of people (damn, don't make me go all HEX on y'all!)...

542 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:39:03pm

hey, if you are schizophrenic, be here and, be somewhere else...

they were both awarded first prize,
but couldnt figure out who won.

543 car man tim  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:40:37pm

"We are advancing to the rear, and the enemy is retreating behind us".
Run Lizard, Run.

544 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:41:18pm

Chris
Have you ever flashed a PIC?

545 jwpaine  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:41:59pm

#541 christheprofessor


But 11 would spoil the symmetry of the "those who understand binary, and those who don't."

What would your third be for that line?

546 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:43:46pm

From the link to Steyn's piece in #515:

It's a good basic axiom that if you take a quart of ice-cream and a quart of dog faeces and mix 'em together the result will taste more like the latter than the former. That's the problem with the UN. If you make the free nations and the thug states members of the same club, the danger isn't that they'll meet each other half-way but that the free world winds up going three-quarters, seven-eighths of the way.

Only Steyn could look at the UN and come up with "it's dog shit mixed with ice cream!"

I love that man.

547 Stop Hillary  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:44:40pm

Let's get used to it. Every moonbat professor is going to make a point of outdoing Ward Churchill with hateful provocations. I have no problem with giving them attention. Sooner or later taxpayers will have their fill and students themselves will eventually rise and demand their ousters.

548 Freedom Fan  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:45:20pm
Robert Jensen is a journalism professor at the University of Texas at Austin. He says the United States is a depraved criminal nation bent on dominating the world, and Ward Churchill is right.

Yeaa. Keep Austin Weird.

( A t-shirt I saw at a Blues Festival last year).

::apologies Bubble Girl::

549 christheprofessor  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:48:00pm

#544 RebTex

Unless PIC has some meaning I am unaware of (e.g, truth to Dan Rather), then no...

#545 jwpaine

Yes, but, still, it's funny... Going back to the:

“There are three types of people in this world, those who can count and those who can't.” Anonymous

quote...

550 PollyPrissypants  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:48:05pm

In case you're by a tv, switch to Hannity and Colmes - they're about to interview the Captain who is going back to Iraq after losing his foot when his Humvee went over a land mine - incredible story

551 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:49:06pm

cash in one hand,
is as good as money in the other.

yoggie beara,
did i mispell his name?

552 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:49:17pm

Chris
PIC = Programable Integrated Circuit

553 car man tim  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:52:31pm

The Looking Glass

When you get what you want in your struggle for self
And the world makes you king for a day,
Just go to the mirror and look at yourself
And see what that face has to say.


For it isn't your parent, child, husband or wife
Whose judgment upon you must pass.
The fellow whose verdict counts most in your life
Is the one staring back from the glass.



You may be like Jack Horner and chisel a plum
And think you're a wonderful guy.
But the face in the glass says you're only a bum
If you can't look it straight in the eye.



That's the fellow to please -- never mind all the rest,
For that's who's with you clear to the end.
And you've passed your most dangerous, difficult test
If the face in the glass is your friend.



You may fool the whole world down the pathway of years
And get pats on the back as you pass.
But your final reward will be heartache and tears
If you've cheated the face in the glass.



~ ~ Anonymous ~ ~

Good night y'all. Happy V-Day 2005.

554 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:52:39pm

@539 Reb Tex

Custom paint job? Red with tan interior...black on black? :)

555 RebTex  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:54:16pm

Quark2
Actually, Silver on Bahama blue

556 Blackhorse  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 4:58:42pm

Robert Jensen sounds like another lonely man begging for attention.

557 quark2  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 5:15:49pm

@555 Reb Tex

Nice combo. :) Mine (dually) is red with grey interior.

558 KYAG  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 5:27:19pm

MA!

Git my vaarmint gun. We's got us a right big un yonder

559 richard mcenroe  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 5:30:06pm

So if Jensen believes we all bear some collective responsibility, when can we expect his suicide in expiation?

560 Jakester  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 5:41:17pm

He's as much of a fraud and a hypocrite as Churchill is. Let the little pussy put his money where is mouth is and join the struggle against us by the sword or devote his whole life to helping out the world's poorest!

561 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 5:42:37pm

Somebody grazes cattle on the gas leases in my neighborhood.

Every now and then one gets out somehow.

Reminds me of a funny story from my neighborhhod, about 3 years ago now, when a drunk guy was going an estimated 90 mph in a Corvette at 3 am on Kuykendahl and hit a cattle (I don't remember gender, but I wanna say cow).


Both cattle and drunk died.

OK, if you're that guys mom or something, or like cows, that story is kind of sad.

562 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 5:53:43pm

Austin is such a beautiful city, in the middle of the Hill Country. It's a damn shame that it's inhabited by nutjobs like Robert Jensen.

563 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 6:17:37pm

Robert Jensen said:

For me, left politics [...] is fueled by anger at the world as it exists, ...

That neatly illustrates something Wretchard over at Belmont Club said sometime back:
The greatest apostasy in Marxist literature has always been to find value in the present.

That also goes for Hillary's pledge of allegiance to "the America that can be".

564 Ariana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 6:41:59pm

Hello Charles and LGf ***

Guess what? Someone's writing articles about LGF and Ward Churchill at the Chronicle of Higher Education

Anatomy of a Free-Speech Firestorm: How a Professor's 3-Year-Old Essay Sparked a Controversy

The Chronicle of Higher Education ^ | February 10, 2005 | Scott Smallwood (requires membership to read but the article is posted and linked at freerepublic. They didn't get the timeline just right but they noted that LGF started the investigation

Faster than a Speeding Blog s

.."the news was picked up by The Post-Standard, a newspaper in nearby Syracuse, N.Y. The pressure on Hamilton would only grow over the next seven days. Administrators had been wrong: It wasn't going to be as bad as Susan Rosenberg. It was going to be a lot worse.
In the Internet age, that report in the Syracuse newspaper quickly reached far beyond upstate New York. A link to the article was posted on Little Green Footballs, a widely read conservative WeblogA link to the article was posted on Little Green Footballs, a widely read conservative Weblog, at 9:40 a.m., Eastern time.
Eleven minutes later a reader posted a comment, Mr. Churchill deserved to be shot in the face. And then just before 10 a.m., a different reader provided the professor's e-mail address. Before 11 a.m., another reader announced that she had just called the Colorado governor and had written letters to The Denver Post and the Rocky Mountain News. She followed up a few minutes later with contact information for the newspapers so that others could do the same.
Faster than a Speeding Blog. Linking to a simple article from Syracuse had unleashed the power of hundreds of individuals, all using Google to add little bits of information. Within hours, 500 comments about the matter had been posted on Little Green Footballs alone. Readers linked to old news releases about squabbles between Mr. Churchill and the American Indian Movement. They linked to Hamilton news releases about alumni who were killed in the attacks. Someone requested the name of a September 11 widow from Colorado who might have political clout.


Dear Google please take note

565 jwpaine  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:11:14pm

#564 Ariana


Nice.

566 Gadfly  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:16:33pm

Recipe: Add 1 unheard of leftist, Mix with anti-US hatred, (half)Bake for 30 minutes.

These types are going to come out of the woodwork for their 15 minutes now. Best thing is to ignore them as the "2 percenters" that they are.

567 Ariana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:20:11pm

jwpaine

They messed the timeline up but hey.. :-)

568 Jack Burton  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:21:58pm

I have a question for my own personal echo chamber.

Is this stupidity something new? or, has it aways been around and it's the advent of the internet that allows news of these clowns get around to the masses?

If I had a choice, I'd prefer that it's because of the information age, because that means we've become great in spite of morons like this.

569 Ariana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:23:46pm

I think it helps when the right questions are asked to guide the research and different people divide up the work. Rather like the concept of raising a barn or when a team prepares a law case

570 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:25:03pm

#569 Ariana

I think it helps when the right questions are asked to guide the research and different people divide up the work. Rather like the concept of raising a barn or when a team prepares a law case

It was an amazing thing to watch, I'll tell ya.

Good job!

571 Ariana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:29:40pm

thanks rightasrain

btw... I'm making a timeline and you're on it for making an important post.. first link to an important article

I thought it might be interesting to chronicle how a group can create and work together to produce an online investigation. So many many people made contributions.
and I am very excited to see LGF FINALLY getting the recognition it should have received days ago

572 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:32:30pm

#571 Ariana

btw... I'm making a timeline and you're on it for making an important post.. first link to an important article

WOW, thank you!

What article did I post? Are you sure it was me? :)

573 Ariana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:34:19pm

#568 Jack

Yes, primarily since the 60s. btw I was watching documentary on the Weather Underground and three of them now teach in universities and colleges. Others head organizations known for extreme left wing disruptions. These are the people that were bombing buildings in the 70s, but didn't receive any jail time

574 Ariana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:44:45pm

RightasRain

I'm sure, I walked through every thread and made copies of every post that made a first post of an article, a document and raised the important questions or made the important document analysis.

The reason why?
I wanted to support my argument that LGF posted much of the important information at least one-two days online before other articles and other blogs appeared using the same, documents, information and arguments. Who knows. I may end up finding I'm wrong, that's the catch. But so far.. I found lgf had realized the the real story ahead of anyone.

I've been able to document how early LGF was raising the right questions, researching and posting the pertinent information and in particular, making hard to access articles and documents available through links here. Considering its readership that information went out at lightspeed but without much acknowledgement.

575 jwpaine  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:45:10pm

Interesting editorial contrasting Churchill's Last Stand with Larry Summers' crucificion.

576 jwpaine  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:48:06pm

BTW:

Pirateballerina.com comes up on the first page of Yahoo (sometimes as Number One!) on a search of "ward churchill".


/self-congratulatory post

I also posted a link back to your Chronicle of Higher Ed. post, Ariana, in the introduction section of the compendium.

577 Ariana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:49:12pm

Of course with jwpaine's site up he now provides the motherlode of all lgf results and an ever expanding horizon of articles and new discoveries. Have you noticed how its showing up in google, yahoo and msm WC searches. It's in the top 5

Way to go jw btw Did you get your sweet lady a great present for VAL day?

578 Ariana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:50:48pm

jw, thanks

UP to #1 ? CONGRATS! Wow that's up from this afternoon :-D

579 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:53:01pm

#574 Ariana

Ok, thanks again!

I don't recall making a first post of any articles with regards to this issue, but I'm glad I did! :)

What you guys did was awesome, though!

I'm looking forward to seeing the timeline!

580 jwpaine  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 7:59:22pm

#577 Ariana:

Bought her 15 red roses, delivered to her office, of course. The vase itself cost as much as the arrangement (old tradition for us). Plus really squishy card with even squishier handwritten note inside. I tell her every day that I've been lucky since the day I met her (not schmoozing; a simple statement of fact).

581 Ariana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:00:24pm

#579 rightasrain

I had a great time working with everyone. It was a very high energy episode.

It struck me during the experience that this type forum attracts people that often have the right type of training to conduct a coordinated investigation. We could crosscheck our references, pose guiding questions, share analysis and bounce ideas off each other using real time speed. A very very powerful tool

582 evariste  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:02:32pm

Roger-to answer your question from the closed thread-yes I'm on the team at Winds of Change.NET and I'm sure Gary Farber of Amygdala still is too.

583 rightasrain  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:05:19pm

#581 Ariana

It struck me during the experience that this type forum attracts people that often have the right type of training to conduct a coordinated investigation. We could crosscheck our references, pose guiding questions, share analysis and bounce ideas off each other using real time speed. A very very powerful tool

Charles started making internet and journalism history (something reported by the MSM that brought down a network anchor!) and now LGF'ers like you guys are carrying on by making MORE history!

Exciting times!

584 jwpaine  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:09:55pm
585 Ariana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:14:18pm

#583 rightasrain
thanks :-)

So many lfgers constantly post their research on a broad spectrum of subjects. It's obvious that resources produced from hours of work by different individuals are part of the fascination of reading lgf. Those who focus on the occasional "door kicker" response as the sole attribute of these commenters are missing the secret of lgf. I pick up a great deal of hard to find resources and insightful ideas by reading the lgf commenters.

Yet, I agree, we have seen that an occasional coordinated approach can be very useful to produce results

586 Ariana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:15:58pm

jw

ah, hmmm

:-)

587 Ariana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:17:24pm

Hi evariste,

How's everything?

588 Ariana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:20:21pm

jw,
Good man

Women are like flower gardens, keep nurturing the plants and you reap the results :-)


Bought her 15 red roses, delivered to her office, of course. The vase itself cost as much as the arrangement (old tradition for us). Plus really squishy card with even squishier handwritten note inside. I tell her every day that I've been lucky since the day I met her (not schmoozing; a simple statement of fact).
589 jwpaine  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:22:43pm

IIRC, About the only non-LGF-generated documents of note on PB are the KHOW scans of Churchill's CU employment docs tipped to me by Joshua Sharf.

590 Ariana  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:28:23pm

jw

He's posted the PB link with your initials, but not with the site's name. Since you have posted his name and link on your site, why don't you ask him to return the favor? He appears to have made use of PB stuff. Surely he wouldn't consider it any trouble. It would be polite on his part.

591 trigger girlie  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:28:45pm

#532

AHAHAHAH! That was hilarious! LMAO!

Is that what Jordan says every day in front of the mirror? hehehe

592 evariste  Mon, Feb 14, 2005 8:49:31pm

Just groovy, Ariana :-) Thanks.

593 mardukhai  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:30:27am

Maybe Jensen would be happier in North Korea?

594 hector  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:35:41am

Robert Jensen:
Please get rid of him now.
Your left wing intellectuals are so bright that they miss the point (and the threat) completely.

Are all these 'professors' appreciated in the US as self-appointed apologists for their own perception of history?

Why on earth are they being paid for undermining the determination of a generation?
The freedom that they have and don't appreciate is something that is sadly lacking in muslim countries but that fact is patently ignored by these dangerous morons.

There is no place in Western Countries for Freaks like Jensen, Ward Churchill and Ken Livingstone.

595 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 3:20:34am

I suggest, Mr. Jensen, that you go do something useful, like build a building, and you will see how much sweat and fatigue you have to deal with to get something useful. Then go camping and see how really useful a building is. Then you wouldn't be so twisted, and yes, secretly happy about the terrorists blowing them up - never mind the 3,000 murders at the same time. This way you may begin to remove yourself from the state you are in: one pathetic and despicable SOB.

596 Jed  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 5:20:00am

It is amazing how much intellectually bankrupt depravity passes for intelligent thought nowadays.

597 johnb_nc  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 6:22:25am

Since Churchill and Jensen think the Islamofascists are right, they both need to go to Iraq and turn themselves in to the head choppers in order to face the justice they claim America is being handed in these terrorist attacks.

598 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 6:50:48am

Thomas Friedman (NYT) had a piece last week, I think, where he suggested that the reward for Osama be redirected to bring young Middle Eastern students to study in America.

As someone here pointed out (sorry that I don't remember where), these students would learn to hate America even more at our Universities than they would learn in their Middle Eastern nations.

If we end up with money to spare, though, we should use it to send OUR University professors (ones like Churchill and Jensen, anyway) to teach in the Middle East.

Preferably, they should go to the worst hellholes imaginable where the best they can do for accomodations include shared bathrooms and dirt floors.

THEN these guys can explain how much they hate America as they slog through raw sewage on their way to teach their classes.

We should allow them to bring shoes, though (even though some kids, like the ones in Gaza, trudge through raw sewage in their bare feet.)

This would be worth the expense (if we have some $$ to spare.)

599 Deva  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:47:09am

This professor does not realize that his supportive opinions cut no ice with Osama bin Laden. In his comments about targeting civilians in the 9/11 attacks he stated that if you live in America,work in America,and pay taxes in America you are a legitimate target in his eyes .That includes children,presumably because eventually they will grow up in America and support the system as well.So no matter how loudlly these idiots tear down the country whose freedoms they enjoy they gain no credibility with our enemies.

600 Crazy Diamond  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:49:45am

All the chicken metaphors are killing me! LOL! I know it isn't funny, but as soon as I read that "there likely will be chickens heading our way for years to come" I couldn't help imagining chickens sneaking across the borders with splodeydope equipment in little rucksacks. And wasn't there an old political saying "a chicken in every pot"? We've got our soldiers with a chicken in every crosshairs! Cock-a-doodle-BANG!

With that statement, this professor sure laid an egg.

So tell me, o ye Lizardoids, why did the Islamofascist chicken cross the road?

601 Tara Lane  Wed, Feb 16, 2005 5:40:11am

Ugh - I work at UT and get a paycheck from the same place as this guy. You wouldn't believe how much support he gets from students. Faculty tend to keep mouths shut; there are some here who have called him "left of left", whatever that means.

602 rightasrain  Wed, Feb 16, 2005 5:47:52am

#599 Deva

This professor does not realize that his supportive opinions cut no ice with Osama bin Laden. In his comments about targeting civilians in the 9/11 attacks he stated that if you live in America,work in America,and pay taxes in America you are a legitimate target in his eyes .That includes children,presumably because eventually they will grow up in America and support the system as well. So no matter how loudlly these idiots tear down the country whose freedoms they enjoy they gain no credibility with our enemies.

Osama has indicated that women and children are also targets because such individuals are the PROPERTY of men who pay taxes.

No comment from NOW about women being property and/or being accused of not being taxpayers. :/

603 rightasrain  Wed, Feb 16, 2005 5:52:26am

#599 Deva

You're right that Osama considers people like Jensen to be the enemy every bit as much as he considers us all to be enemies here.

Even if Jensen converted to Islam, his life still wouldn't be worth a plug nickel to Osama if there was a bomb to be blown up next to Jensen's sorry butt. Osama would figure Jensen would be getting virgins somewhere afterward anyway, even if he did care.

The 'value of human life' simply isn't a value that our enemies share with us.

Even our enemies' children's lives don't matter to our enemies.

We might as well be up against Terminators (robots from hell).


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