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Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 9:08:52 am PST

David Holford has an update to his post about the British exam board requiring students to use “pbuh” after the name of Mohammed; he received word that this is not an official requirement:

“OCR will always put ‘peace be upon him’ after Muhammad in the form of an Arabic colophon as a mark of respect. However we do not expect candidates to do this.

A reference to this can be found on page 13 of the OCR GCSE Religious Studies Notes for Guidance.”

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1 Former CNN Watcher  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:10:09am

"Anyone who wishes may of course advertise his dhimmitude."

2 Powderfinger  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:11:31am
However we do not expect candidates to do this.

However, fatwas may be issued in such cases.

3 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:12:06am

Sorry for the early OT - but this looks like it will be a pretty good resource -

Discovering The Network - A guide to the political left

You have to register, but it only takes a second.

4 GW  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:13:46am

I Mo was so rightous, why is it required to constantly wish 'Peace be upon him'? I would think the rightous would have an automatic pass to paradise...

5 GW  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:15:51am

PIMF- That should read 'If Mo was so righteous'

6 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:16:56am

#4 GW

That's because, in the backs of their tiny little minds, they know he wasn't.

7 MohawkDaddy  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:17:02am

Piss Be Upon Him

8 Capt. Queeg  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:18:13am

We at the exam board have no balls, therefore we will prostrate ourselves with many-a 'pbuh'. Candidates are not required to follow suit, but stand warned.

9 Orbit Rain  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:18:37am

fair enough

10 American Values Pam  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:18:55am

Does this mean that students will be asked to include "Our Lord" after referring to Jesus Christ?

11 zombie  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:19:23am

I just got the same email from them. I'll post it here in full:

Thank you for your enquiry.

OCR has received several Religious Studies enquiries about whether or not candidates need to be putting 'peace be upon him' after the name Muhammad, due to comments made on a non-OCR website. The OCR response to this follows:

"This is incorrect. OCR will always put 'peace be upon him' after Muhammad, in the form of an Arabic colophon, as a mark of respect. However we do not expect candidates to do this.

An explanation of this can be found on page 13 of the GCSE Religious Studies Notes for Guidance.

The problem arose due to a comment made on a non-OCR website. This comment has now been removed."

Regards,

Scott Hilliard
Customer Service Advisor

OCR (Oxford Cambridge and RSA Examinations)
OCR Information Bureau
1 Hills Road
Cambridge
CB1 2EU
tel: xxx
fax: xxx
e-mail: helpdesk@ocr.org.uk
web: [Link: www.ocr.org.uk...]

12 csva  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:19:37am

For non-muslim british you have 2 options:
1)beheading
2)be-heading

Choose wisely!

13 Jiving  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:20:55am

“pbuh” could more accurately stand for 'paedo be upon him'.

14 Dr. Sanity  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:21:28am

Reminds me of when I was in Catholic school as a child and we all had to put under our name on every paper "JMJ" for Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.

15 quark2  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:21:30am

@3 RWC

Thanx for the linky. :)

16 scoreboard44  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:25:31am

Amazing.

17 Thom  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:25:51am
“OCR will always put ‘peace be upon him’ after Muhammad in the form of an Arabic colophon as a mark of respect.

Heh. Didn't do it that time, ya dumbasses!

18 quark2  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:26:14am

@11 zombie

So...is this their offical 'crawfishing'? :)

19 bouzouki  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:26:21am

PBUH - source of the term PooBah? :)

20 Studsup  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:27:33am

Well, that's been cleared up. I feel lot better now knowing that only the British government is obliged to comply with Islamic practices.

21 davic  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:28:17am

Still it is shocking the exam committee has itself to expressly endorse RoP by adding that phrase. Do they add accomodate other religions thus; unlikely. Fortunately in the US the 1st Amendment would probably prohibit such open endorsementof religion by the state; however, the ACLU would not file that lawsuit.

22 Beagle  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:28:24am
OCR will always put ‘peace be upon him’ after Muhammad in the form of an Arabic colophon as a mark of respect. However we do not expect candidates to do this.

This is still rank dhimmitude. Were I a candidate reading this statement I'd feel pressure to do the same thing. Not that I would do it. My track record proves I don't respond to academic pressure for groupcrapthink.

23 csva  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:30:34am

Starting monday all official documents of the UK will be available in the EU's new cross-border language: Arabic.

English documents will still be available on demand. But it will identify you as an uneducated intolerent infidel.

24 zombie  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:32:32am

Here's the email I just sent to David Holford:

Thank you for posting the updated entry about the pbuh controversy.

Because you did not specify exactly what you meant by the term "exam board" in your original posting, people jumped to the conclusion that you were referring to the national exam board OCR. Your new updated posting says this is not the case. Thanks for the clarification.

However, it is now not clear what the status of the story is. You write, "I never based my information on anything from OCR - I only said that was the exam board we used."

What exactly do you mean by "exam board we used"? Is it a group of people who set policy? Is it a textbook of some kind? Or...? And does this imply that the requirement to write "pbuh" is still in place, merely that people had misdirected their outrage toward the wrong "exam board"?

Hopefully you can post an update clarifying, in no uncertain terms:

a. Is there in fact a requirement that the students write "pbuh" in their papers about Islam?
b. If so, who, exactly, sets this requirement?

With such a clarification, you will either quell permanently the unwanted emails (if there is no such requirement) or at least redirect the outrage toward the parties actually responsible (if there is a requirement).

Thank you.

25 Amos (Zionist Minion)  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:32:41am

Gee, I don't know what all those people have against Mohammed (MSDMPLUBCTE)*.

*May the Scourge the Dirty Murderous Pedophile Left Us Be Cleansed from This Earth

26 FreeKeys  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:32:59am

PBUH?

Was this the inspiration for the title GRAND POOBAH, as in, we welcome his Royal Heinous, His Travesty, the Grand Poobah HIMSELF! ?

27 2X4 wielder  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:33:14am

OT -- From Portland IndyMedia: Ward Churchill yanked from UO Conference

The University of Oregon has canceled an appearance by University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill, who has come under a McCarthyist-style attack from the right wing for an essay about the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Churchill, an ethnic studies professor, was scheduled to appear at an April 1 conference on race and immigration issues in the post-Sept. 11 era. The UO's Wayne Morse Center for Law and Politics yanked him off the schedule, thanks to the braying of right-wing radio and TV personalities such as Bill O'Rielly, Lars Larson, and others.

Say what you will about Churchill -- I take issue with him myself. What is happening here is nothing less than a full-frontal attack on free speech and the right of dissent. The right wing is succeeding at shutting down and marginalising a vocal critic of the Bush administration and the policies of U.S. imperialism. I don't agree with everything Churchill says, and I'd be willing to argue with him myself over the "Eichmann" comment.

Nevertheless, there is a principle to be defended here. At the moment, Ground Zero is the supposedly "liberal" campus of the University of Oregon. Let's take the fight to them, comrades. The director of the Wayne Morse Center is Margaret Hallock. Her work phone number is 541-346-3699, and her email address is hallock@uoregon.edu. A web page listing other contacts with the center is located at:

[Link: www.morsechair.uoregon.edu...]

28 AU  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:33:39am

#17 Thom 2/15/2005 09:25AM PST


NOW THAT IS FUNNY! LOL & PIMP (pissing in my pants)

29 lykeios  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:34:15am

If I were required to do this, I think my fingers would "slip" and I'd write something like, oh, "c--t." Close enough... they've both got a 'u' in them.

30 Nigella  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:36:30am

#27 thanks for the imfo on the latest on churchill. i think the line in the piece where the writer calls for "comrades" to band together says it all.

31 Thom  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:37:13am

Uh oh ...

U.S. Ambassador in Syria Called Home for Consultation

In the old days, this presaged war.

32 iraqnophobic  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:37:46am

Gee, if elections have taught us anything, it is that repeated often enough, almost any statement becomes truth for a significant number of people. Thus Iraq was all about oil, and Karl Rove is W's puppetmaster.

So, when the authority figure, test-maker (and grade-giver) OCR alwaps gives the big Mo a PBUH, they are:
- covering their dhimmi arses, and
- leading some exam-takers to believe the proper way to think of Mo is with PBUH rather than with critical thought about the man, his beliefs and accomplishments, and his followers.

Try adding a blessing/valediction to George Bush's name, without expectation that others will do so, and see how long before it becomes a norm. Then phrase exam questions in that manner.


Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.” ROP my @$$.

33 gymnast  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:37:56am

OT. USA withdrawing Ambassador to Syria. Source Fox News Alert, just now.

34 Condor  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:38:56am

I have just sent an email to the OCR, inquiring if Mo is the only one to be given this type of respect; and whether or not
they also intend to give this kind of respect to other faiths.
If not, why the discrimination?

(If they reply--which I doubt--they're probably exasperated
by the response--but they didn't reckon with the blogosphere!--
I'll post it here. )

35 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:42:12am

#27

At the moment, Ground Zero is the supposedly "liberal" campus of the University of Oregon. Let's take the fight to them, comrades.

Let's take the fight to them, COMRADES! Aux barricades!

Toolhead.

36 steve  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:42:31am

#3 Great link, Thanks

37 Geepers  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:43:56am

Thom (#17),

Maybe they don't know the meaning of the word "always"?

38 iraqnophobic  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:44:56am

#33 - re: withdrawal of US Ambassador to Syria.

Sort of like a pardon for the Ambassador. Mark Twain on travel in Syria (from The Innocents Abroad):

"The last twenty-four hours we staid in Damascus I lay prostrate with a violent attack of cholera, or cholera morbus, and therefore had a good chance and a good excuse to lie there on that wide divan and take an honest rest. I had nothing to do but listen to the pattering of the fountains and take medicine and throw it up again. It was dangerous recreation, but it was pleasanter than traveling in Syria. "

39 Mike C.  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:45:51am

# 10

In your dreams.

40 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:46:07am

Don't you love how the Leftists, supporters of the World's Worst Imperialists, always accuse us of imperialist policies?

Back atchya, toolheads.

Meanwhile, in other news, the Senators were grilling Chertoff in the Homeland Sec. hearings, trying to make SURE he'd never, never, never be MEAN to the Jihadis. All sorts of witless blather about applying citizens' rights to enemy combatants.

41 JohnSteele  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:46:50am

“OCR will always put ‘peace be upon him’ after Muhammad in the form of an Arabic colophon as a mark of respect...

So what are they doing to indicate respect for Jesus, Abraham,
Confucius, et al? Or do they only respect Muhammad (/respect)

42 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:50:07am

P anties B e U pon H im

43 Megan  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:51:07am

Maybe instead of pbuh they should write pbul- please behead us last.

44 Thom  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:51:48am

#37 Geepers

LOL.

I'm still trying to understand this. They're actually using an Arabic colophon as an expression of their submission to mohammedanism (when they remember to). Even most moslems just use "pbuh".

But nooo ... OCR has to go the extra mile and proudly proclaim "Look how hard we can suck!"

But if they don't start showing the Tathgata, the Arhat, Samyak Sambuddha, Vidya-carana-sampanna, the Sugata, Lokavit, the Anuttara, the Purusa-damya-sarathi and Sasta deva-manusyanam, Buddha-Bhagavan, Shakyamuni Siddartha Guatama the proper respect, I'm going to go medieval on their asses!

45 Lewis  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:54:10am

#19 bouzouki

PBUH - source of the term PooBah? :)

Only Gilbert and Sullivan know for sure.

46 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:54:13am

#44

...and don't forget to add ha-kadosh barukh hu after referring to the name of G-d.

47 Luigi  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:54:22am

Everybody in the whole world knows it was the Syrians who killed this guy except for those unfortunate enough to be stuck reading the mainstream American media. Here's today's NY Sun

Syria Is Blamed in the Slaying in Lebanon

48 owls001  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:54:37am

How about this >>>Mohamad A.S.S.

49 Studsup  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:54:53am

#31 Thom -- "Uh oh ...

U.S. Ambassador in Syria Called Home for Consultation

In the old days, this presaged war. "

In these modern days, she was probably called back for precise instructions from State on how to give all proper assurances to Syria that any Syrian jihadis caught in Iraq will be afforded all US Consitutional rights, as well as prompt investigations of all US Marines, with a view to prosecution, engaged in killing any of them.

50 Sean II  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:55:16am
51 owls001  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:55:21am

assumed spiritual superbeing,

52 owls001  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:55:55am

How about this >>>Mohamad A.S.S

53 traveler  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:56:11am

#44 Thom

That's right, Thom -- open up a can of Medieval Whoop-Ass on those Dhimmis!

54 rebmiami  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:56:48am

Yes, they will revive the practice of adding "Our Lord" when referring to Jesus in their printed materials.


Right.


Can you imagine it?
Essay question:

"Various scholars now question whether Our Lord Jesus actually said many of the Gospel quotations attributed to him. Discuss."

It doesn't work. To accept the "Our Lord" renders incongruous the critical reading that follows. And that is the danger with the "pbuh" it amounts to an endorsement of the truth-claims Muslims make about him.

55 JohnSteele  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:56:49am

Email to helpdesk@ocr.org.uk

Gentlemen:

I see that you have clarified the position with regard the the OCR policy of placing "(pbuh)" following the name of Muhammad. It is gratifying that you do not expect candidates to do so.

However, this raises the question of what OCR will do to indicate corresponding respect for other religious figures such as Jesus Christ, Mary, Abraham, Confucius? Certainly these figures are due no less respect from you. One would think that in the home of the Church of England at the very least you would indicate your respect for Christian figures.

Do you plan to follow suit for other religions or merely express respect for Islam?

John Steele
Miami, FL

I'm starting a pool on the response. I have $2.00 on "nada".

56 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:57:17am

#42 BabbaZee:

P anties B e U pon H im

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!

57 AU  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:57:32am

I'm still awaiting the fatwa against me.

What is the fatwa lag time these days...a week, a month?

Here. I'll try again.

Mohemmed was a pedophile and a coward.

I'm waiting for the fatwa...it would be a point of pride for me to have an Islamic fatwa against my head.

Waiting...waiting...

58 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:59:54am

AP story said US ambassador also delivered a "harshly worded letter", which I think they said is called a demarche in diplo-speak.


Of course, the Syrians have been letting jihadis free acess into Iraq, IIRC.


So it wouldn't break my heart if we sent a little token of our displeasure, perhaps destroying all their nice Russian fighter planes.


I'd guess the IAF has given pointers to the USAF during theb years about the capabilities of the Syrian MiG fleet.

59 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:00:25am

#56 doppelganglander

Kvelling!

60 Luigi  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:01:15am

57 AU

What is the fatwa lag time these days...a week, a month?


Things have gotten worse lately with the advent of conservative blogs. The mullahs are taking cases as fast as they can but they're still backed up into the halls.

61 JohnSteele  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:02:20am

#58 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades ...
I'd guess the IAF has given pointers to the USAF during theb years about the capabilities of the Syrian MiG fleet.

While I'm sure we have had consultations with the IAF about the MiG, the USAF owns a few of our own so our guys have some first hand experience themselves. And no we did not buy them from MiG :-)

62 Studsup  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:02:39am

#47 luigi -- "Everybody in the whole world knows it was the Syrians who killed this guy except for those unfortunate enough to be stuck reading the mainstream American media."

Interesting article from The NY Sun. The French were typically slow to react with any statement implicating Syrian involvement, but "called for an investigation". I was surprised they did that even that much.

The Sun provides the answer. The victim was a billionaire and a primary financier of one Mr. Jacques Chirac.

63 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:03:16am

Holy Shiite! ! ! !

Look what Miss Trixie unearthed:

Secret weapon--monster Al Qaeda database

Terror database is secret weapon

SLEEPY Charleston, the South Carolina hometown of Rhett Butler in Gone with the Wind, seems an unlikely place to be on the front line of the global war on terror.

Yet on the third floor of a glass office building overlooking the Cooper river is a locked room that is straight out of a futuristic thriller.

Inside, a series of control panels with flashing lights and whirring hard drives comprise the master computer of the world's largest free-standing database of intelligence on Islamic terrorism. It could hold the key to dismantling Al-Qaeda.

"It's the best database on Islamic terrorism in the world," said a senior counter-terrorism official at the FBI.

64 gregopad39  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:04:25am

I thought it was poobah - as in grand poobah. That's poor old obsolete bastard arab hick.

65 Luigi  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:05:42am

The Sun is a welcome addition to the news scene in NYC. We're already graced with the NY Post which used to be considered a rightwing knuckledragger until they turned out to be right about everything.

66 Catttt  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:06:07am

What if it's not "the" Mohammed?

For example, what if it's Mohammed Jones? Do you have to write "Mohammed, PBUH, just went to the 7-Eleven for a pack of cigs"? Mohammed, PBUH, is taking a bath? Mohammed, PBUH, bought a new suit?

Hi, Mohammed, PBUH?

This is totally silly.

/Emily LaTella

67 Pickle  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:06:09am

Adding "pbuh" to Mohammad's name isn't a "mark of respect". It's a mark of submission.

Fucking idiots.

68 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:07:58am

"There's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over."
-Frank Zappa

69 Luigi  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:09:16am

63 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

Interesting that AQ story comes from Benador Associates. They represent VDH.

70 Geepers  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:10:08am

My problem would be that I would be forced to find every fucked up, blood filled, child raping, infidel hating, dog beating, woman demeaning, slavery supporting, lie filled thing the supposed "last" prophet ever said, spell it out and add a big fat fucking PEACE BE UPON HIM after each one.

And then dare these cowardly pansies on the British exam board to not approve me.

71 Studsup  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:10:10am

#63 Lady,

Boy I am sure glad that the FBI is doing such a great job of helping to keep the location of the facility top secret.

72 Maine's Michael  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:13:28am

BabaZee:

P anties B e U pon H im

Perfect!

May I propose:

Pedophile who Buggered Underage Hostages

73 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:14:17am

#71 studsup

I'm worried that the [bigoted word]s are going to go after Motley, the man who orchestrated all this.

At the least, they need to have backup copies of EVERYTHING.

It's shocking (but unexpected) that they've linked AQ and the Madrid bombings. To think that the Madrid murderers were in the same Hamburg meeting as the 9/11 murderers! ! !

What's really sickmaking, though, is that the CIA and FBI haven't fargin' done this research. Godalmighty.

74 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:14:34am

#72 Maine's Michael

Pedophile who Buggered Underage Hostages

Oh~ that's good!

75 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:15:10am

#69 Luigi

Benador also reps Charles Krauthammer.

76 Luigi  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:15:56am

63 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

That Ron Motley who is featured in the article is certainly an interesting character.

77 PDM  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:21:34am

BabbaZee

P anties B e U pon H im

Maine's Michael

Pedophile who Buggered Underage Hostages

You guys are coming up with some good ones today.

78 Golden Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:24:01am

Totally OT, but I was wondering:

Has anyone here heard the assassination of Rafik Hariri in terms of "chickens coming home to roost?"

Just wondering.

I think the first step towards regime change in (or at least some severe difficulties for-) Damascus.

I bet the Imbecile Son is sweating now.

79 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:24:45am

#77 PDM

I must be channeling Bob G LOL!

80 Golden Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:25:14am

Slight correction there:

Has anyone here heard the assassination of Rafik Hariri described in terms of "chickens coming home to roost?"

81 2X4 wielder  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:25:57am

#63 Lady of Shalott -- Not many people know that we have a new weapon in the war on terror. It's an artificial intelligence program called Cyc (product of Cycorp). This program has already predicted some types of terror attacks. It is really fascinating and it's producing real results. Combined with those terror databases it might be very useful. In fact I bet it already is.

Cyc-ing out the terrorists

Video: Cycorp founder' lecture: Computers versus Common Sense An Engineering Approach to AI

82 PDM  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:28:23am

#79 BabbaZee,

I just remembered, I have PBUH graphic.

83 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:30:46am

#82 PDM

LOL! Those chicks are too old for him!

84 big L  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:33:23am

Or how 'bout this--Dear World Economic Forum,
Send us the tape of Eason J.rebuking the US Military. We are loyal Dhimmis and use pbuh after Mo's name. We'd like to show it to the class.
Best 'n Pieces to you. OCR Exam Board.

85 Smit  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:33:54am

#82 PDM - My first thought, that girl on the left, well, damn, that swimsuit must be chaffing her.

Tankinis are much more comfortable.

86 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:35:14am
87 Darwin Akbar  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:36:48am

I posted this at the tail end of yesterday's thread, but it might be worth repeating.

IMHO, the proper acronym for the prophet Mo would be "fhatchcio"

Or "F- him and the camel he came in on."

88 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:37:32am

First mention of Panties Be Upon Him from an insomnia inspired late night rant about how Koran v.2.0 was revealed to the new prophet: the neighbor's barking labrador, 'Max', (Panties Be Upon Him).

89 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:40:09am

How about using CSMD after Mohammed.

I'll let others figure that acronym out, which shouldn't be difficult.

90 Studsup  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:40:29am

#73 Lady -- "It's shocking (but unexpected) that they've linked AQ and the Madrid bombings. To think that the Madrid murderers were in the same Hamburg meeting as the 9/11 murderers! ! !"

Dear Lady,

Where have you been? If you had been dutifully reading your NYT and listening to CNN and CBS then you would know that Bush was responsible for Madrid because he created more terrorists with his greedy bid to seize Iraqi oil while humiliating Arabs with lies about WMD and being members of an Axis of Evil. Furhtermore, any part of this that wasn't Bush's fault was then the fault of Donald Rumsfeld or Haliburton.

Get with the program!

91 Freedom Fan  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:41:18am

muhammad (PuuhhhBwwaaaUggHock) *spit*

Aloha Snackbar!

::there now I feel better- sorry hadta clear my throat::

92 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:42:00am

#88 NuclearTinkerbell

Great minds...

93 mglazer  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:42:51am

So..

They just do it for fun?

Whether individuals are forced to or not is bryond the issue

Rather the issue is that the organizational level has called it upon themselves to respect this diety as a deference and as opposed to others

That in itself is thoroughly disturbing

94 PDM  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:44:33am

#83 BabbaZee,

LOL! Those chicks are too old for him!

I know, but unlike Mohammed's, all of my models are 18 years of age or older! :-P
(As I recall, Mohammed liked them about half that age.)

95 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:46:53am

BabbaZee

The phrase, 'Allahu Akbar' needs some upgrade work now...

;)

OT - Drudge reports that Fwench and German families of tsunami victims are suing the US tsunami predictors. Nice.

96 Luigi  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:48:02am

OT -- The Entertainment Section

The Academy Awards are shaping up to be a large recruiting event for the Republican Party.

97 paxnhymn  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:48:55am

PBUH could also be Propaganda By Uncivilized Heathens!

98 Havoc  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:49:21am

OT- this thread is long enough for this.

The Iraq "Election Map" (from Instapundit)

If they can just get this thing to work for the next few years, and thru the Constitution writing and next couple of elections,

... the Mad Mullahs next door in "Nucular" Iran, may have a revolution on their hands against their thug brownshirt army of "Revolutionary guards"

99 Maine's Michael  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:51:51am

Allahu Akbar!

change to:

All-A-You Nutbars!

100 Freedom Fan  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:57:28am

Maine's Michael

Alleluja Aarvark!

101 TMF  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:57:49am

Anyone see this?

HITCHENS V. TARIQ ALI (TERRORIST LOVER) ON IRAQ HERE

102 Ed from Ohio  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:59:20am

PBUH = peanut butter underwear hat

103 ontevreden aubergine  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 8:59:20am

What has happened to Britian? What a nightmare...

104 Renna  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:01:16am

#98 havoc

Compare that map with the one here of the pre-Iraq Ottoman provinces. (scroll down)

Not an exact matchup, but interesting.

105 Ed from Ohio  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:01:49am

PENOWE

pedophiles not welcome

106 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:02:45am

#98 Havoc

What do you think the odds are that Iraq won't break itself in thirds?

Pre-Gulf II, I thought the logical post-conflict solution would be to divide the country along its ideological lines, but now I wonder if the point isn't just to keep the region unstable, in order to avert the formation of an Arab coalition.

107 Geepers  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:03:54am

Smit (#85),

My first thought, that girl on the left, well, damn, that swimsuit must be chaffing her.

Tankinis are much more comfortable.

I don't think subsequent chaffing should be the prime motivation in picking a swimsuit. ;-)

108 Maine's Michael  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:03:59am

103 ontevreden aubergine

I don't know why, but I always get hungry after seeing your posts.

109 Ed from Ohio  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:04:32am

PBUH = purple beef usually hurts

110 Rufus Lee King  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:05:17am

95 Nuclear Tinkerbell

Drudge reports that Fwench and German families of tsunami victims are suing the US tsunami predictors. Nice.

I see. An Asian natural catastrophe to Europeans in a French hotel was the fault of the US.

Since we seem to be the defacto caretaker of the planet to these infantile peoples, maybe we should just accept our fate as the heir apparent to the unworkable UN.

111 cathyf  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:06:47am

As a slight variation,

"Mohammed (Pedophilic Buggerer of Underage Hostages)"

fits the whole acronym meme slightly better.

cathy :-)

112 Ed from Ohio  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:07:33am

PBUH = please buy ugandan hookers

113 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:08:21am

celebrity death match between ed from ohio and Bob G for the court jester crown !

114 wermysted  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:08:22am

Doesn't "PbuH" refer to the very core philosophies of the Islam
Religious Heirarchy?


Procreation By Underhand Hegemony?

Punishment By Undisclosed Habits?

115 Earl  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:08:44am

OT, from the "How Much Does Allah Really Love Ya?" file:

Woman's veil catches fire, killing 59 in mosque

Tehran- A fire raged through a crowded mosque in Tehran during evening prayers yesterday after a female worshipper's veil caught on fire from a kerosene-heater flame.

At least 59 people died and more than 250 were injured, Iran's official news agency reported.

The Arg (shurely, Aaaarghhh?- ed.) mosque was filled with hundreds of worshippers, more crowded than usual because this is the Islamic Muharam, a holy period for Shiites.

Panicked people raced for the doors and smashed windows to escape the blaze, leaving burned shoes and women's black chadors scattered in the mosque's yard. (Presumably, those women who were caught chador-less were immediately stoned to death for corrupting public morals- ed.)

The mosque's walls were charred, carpets were burned and religious books, including the Koran, were destroyed. AP

Man, you don't want to get caught using these Iranian kerosene heaters- Georgia's president and couple of other recent cases show these things are lethal just. Of course, trying to function whilst wrapped up in a burqa must prove to be a never-ending source of daily inconveniences.

But, of course, it's all the Jews' fault...

116 Maine's Michael  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:10:28am

Psychotic Beheader of Unnocent Hebrews

(don't worry, these guys can't spell anyways)

117 Powderfinger  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:12:49am

#99 Maine's Michael

Naqba Akbar?

118 Rufus Lee King  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:13:14am

115 Earl

But we learned from the tsunami that when Allah kills scads of Muslims he's just punishing the infidels among them. So there must have been one in that mosque.

119 Maine's Michael  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:13:21am

Psychotic Buddy of Ululating Harpies

120 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:13:47am

#110 Rufus Lee King

Since we seem to be the defacto caretaker of the planet...

I don't even like the rest of the planet. I sure don't like this caretaker crap. Maybe the US can subcontract a global sitter?

121 beyerku  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:14:36am

OT-

Currently on "Counterpunch" we have Lila Rajiva comparing Churchill to Gandhi in their struggle egainst "empire."

[Link: www.counterpunch.org...]

122 Smit  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:14:43am

#107 Geepers

I don't think subsequent chaffing should be the prime motivation in picking a swimsuit. ;-)

Heh, Mmkay, but I have to say, those very high cut, high leg swimsuits are a nightmare if you actually want to swim.

123 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:17:08am

#119 Maine's Michael 2/15/2005 11:13AM PST

Psychotic Buddy of Ululating Harpies

How do I clean Earl Grey out of a keyboard?

124 V the K  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:18:11am

Presents Butt for Unusual Hedonism

Poofs from his Butt Unleash Horror

Prefers Buggery, Usually Homo

Prophet? Bull***t! Useless Hellspawn!

Perky Breasts Unfortunately Hidden

125 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:20:12am

Pubescent Boys Under Him?
Pubescent Boys Under Ham?

126 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:22:21am

#124 V the K

you slay me

127 Geepers  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:22:24am

Smit (#120),

Who said anything about swimming?

You're just supposed to lounge about and be excessively gorgeous. ;-Þ

128 GoatGuy  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:22:58am

I sent the following email along as well. About time y'all did something similar!


Dear Sirs and Madams:

I wish to register a respectful complaint at the one-sided policy of "honoring" Mohammed's name with the arabic flouret, and not doing so for the other great religious leaders of history. Simply put, the "peace be upon him" phrase is an sobriquet attached both habitually and rhetorically to Mohammed's name by Muslims among themselves, and needs no repetition in a secular context.

I ask that the OCR simply either raise all other religious entities to the same level of pseudo-respect, or to take Mohammed down to the level of impartiality that I would think is central to the OCR's broad educational programme.

Additionally, if it isn't too much trouble, a one or two line reply would be much appreciated.

Sincerely,
Xxxx X. Xxxx
St. Joseph's Catholic Church Chairperson
United States of America

Don't know if it will do any good, but we can always hope.

GoatGuy

129 Muck DeFuslims  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:26:54am

Mohamhead was a mass murderer, pedophile, rapist, terrorist, psychotic thief. Piss be upon him.
I'm Stupid Laugh At Me ™

130 Tweety  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:27:26am

"OCR will always put 'peace be upon him' after Muhammad, in the form of an Arabic colophon, as a mark of respect."

Mark of respect?

Respect has to be earned. What has Islam done in 1500 years that is worthy of respect?

131 V the K  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:31:01am

Pants Bulge = Underwhelming Hose

Panties Bring Unusual Happiness

Pig-Barf-Ugly Homunculus

Pathetic Butthead, Unendingly Hostile

Practices Beheadings, Urges Holocaust

132 Renna  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:32:46am

OT- Some Lebanese less than happy with their Syrian overlords.

Reuters - 1 hour ago

The Sunni Muslim billionaire's death in a car bomb blast on Monday has spotlighted Lebanon's troubled ties with its powerful neighbor

Troubled ties? Is that what we're calling it these days?

"This (Lebanese) regime is backed by the Syrians. This is the regime of terrorists and terrorism that was able yesterday to wipe out Rafik al-Hariri," Druze leader Walid Jumblatt

And although we've been accused of a backlash, this is what a real one looks like:

A crowd of mourners assaulted Syrian workers with sticks and stones near Hariri's brother's house in Sidon, injuring five of them. A Syrian lorry was set on fire in north Lebanon.
133 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:33:52am

#128 Goat Guy

Simply put, the "peace be upon him" phrase is an sobriquet attached both habitually and rhetorically to Mohammed's name...

I Always learn something here at LGF. Sobriquet is going to be my vocabulary word of the day. Used in a sentence: 'I'm going to throw the steaks on the grill. The sobriquets are red hot.'

134 tats66  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:34:04am

OT

That SCUMBAG Scott Ritter is now working for Al-Jazeera?!?!?

And apparently he totally slams the US and the military, even saying that it makes him sad to actually hope for US military failure in Iraq...

He also said that the insurgents are a legitimate, grass roots rebellion against the "american occupation forces"...

FUCKING BASTARD

135 Rufus Lee King  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:35:52am

120 Nuclear Tinkerbell

Maybe the US can subcontract a global sitter?

We had one. But she got caught getting oiled by the neighbors.

We need someone with a little more integrity. Are the Hells Angels available?

136 GoatGuy  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:35:54am

Paleolithic
Bombast
Undermining
Humanity

Pederast,
Bullshitter,
Usurer,
Homonculus

Pestilence
Bestowed
Upon
Humanity

Psychotic
Bombast
Uttering
Hhatespeech

Preffered
Busty
Underage
Hoares

One could write a program to invent these. LOL

GoatGuy

137 Buckaroo  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:36:11am

# 134 t

I believe you, but link please ...

Ritter was busted for child porn, correct?

Obviously the joke writes itself from here ...
:-)
:-)

138 Maine's Michael  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:36:47am
How do I clean Earl Grey out of a keyboard?

Find a keffiyeh!

139 helloworld  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:37:37am

hey i thought of one, may be really politically incorrect :)

muhammed (Punk Bitchass Unclean Hack)

there how was that?

140 Maine's Michael  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:38:11am

Prefers Boys Unless Hairy

141 mollyshark  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:39:05am

I think they should always have to hyphenate "G-D" as a sign of respect. Most English teachers appreciate hypens anyway. It should make a lot of people happy.

142 helloworld  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:40:14am

#140 Maine's Michael

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

ladies and gentlemen we have a winner!

143 trigger girlie  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:42:36am

It is really sad, but people like that forever ruined the meanings of the following words for me:

1) Liberal
2)Democracy
3) Humane
4) Tolerant
5) Multi-anything

I am sure there are more that I can't think of right now. These words have lost their original meanings for me, and now they make me cringe. *sigh

144 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:43:56am

Prototype Barbarian Uncorked Hellspawn

145 Muck DeFuslims  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:45:58am

Pillow Biter with Untreatable Hemorrhoids

146 Sheet o' Glass  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:46:56am

Pathetic Unwashed Boy-loving Homo

147 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:47:06am

#138 Maine's Michael

ewww! LOL

148 Sheet o' Glass  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:47:53am

translated in arabic it comes out right

149 Hulegu Khan  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:48:14am

As a selfless and dutiful service to Her Majesty's loyal Muslim subjects, HM Queen Elizabeth II will soon announce that in the spirit of her royal predecessor, King Henry VIII, Her Majesty will assume the British Monarch's God-given right to henceforth exercise authority as Head of the Muslim Church (Ummah), a.k.a., Caliph.

By this gesture Her Majesty ensures the tranquility of the hearts of Her loyal Muslim subjects and restores to them, in Her own Person, the institution of the Caliphate that Her Majesty's subjects have longed to revive since its demise in 1924.

God save the Queen.

150 Sheet o' Glass  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:48:17am

and beautiful

151 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:48:31am

#141 mollyshark

I think they should always have to hyphenate "G-D" as a sign of respect. Most English teachers appreciate hypens anyway. It should make a lot of people happy.

:D Too funny, and a good p-o-i-n-t, as well. Will the board be extending their Jewish friends this courtesy?

152 levi from queens  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:48:34am

Parasitic Beetles Under my Hijab

153 Eagle  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:50:03am

Way OT

Question : does the US still have troops in Saudi Arabia? I am having a heated discussion with a moonbat. (why a moonbat? i dunno, i just am)

Can anyone give me a link with this type of data? Also, the moonbat stated that "the US is the only country in the world with troops in foreign countries". Not sure why I bother...


Thanks so much in advance

154 Maine's Michael  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:50:41am
ladies and gentlemen we have a winner!

Thank you, thank you.

I've always striven for quality over quantity.

It's something my grandfather taught me.

I know he'd be very proud of me today.

155 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:51:21am

#152 levi from queens

hehehehehe

156 Muck DeFuslims  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:52:09am

Pecker Breath Unbearable Halitosis

157 Rufus Lee King  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:52:30am

143 trigger girlie

It is really sad, but people like that forever ruined the meanings of the following words for me

Another recent ruin is "going forward". If I hear another babbling bureaucrat unloading that meaningless cliche I will have to point out the counter-productivity of running the clock backward.

"At the end of the day" is another sure sign of a lack of originality. Get a clue folks, the ones who sounded good saying that aren't saying it anymore.

Any more?

158 levi from queens  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:56:19am

Eagle -- we have substantially withdrawn our troops from Saudi Arabia (not sure if they are 100% gone) -- other countries with foreign troops-- Russian in Georgia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. Canadian and several dozen others in Afghanistan. About 30 countries in Iraq. Syria in Lebanon. China in Tibet. France in Ivory Coast and several other countries in West Africa. Nigeria in Liberia. Turkey in Cyprus. Iran in Lebanon (via Hezbollah), About a dozen countries in Bosnia and Serbia. Cuba in Venezuela. Many countries in Rwanda and Congo.

159 Mike C.  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:56:52am

You know, there's just one thing that keeps popping into my mind everytime I read threads like these. And that is that damned few people have any respect for or appreciation of Charles. I mean, hey - I like a good joke of the non-PC variety as much as the next knuckle-dragging wingnut, but people, there should be limits that we impose upon ourselves. You know, Charles does some seriously good work via this blog, but as we all know, it is cherry-picked to a fair-thee-well to depict Charles as a hate-filled racist. I personally don't see that in Charles' posts, but the comments sure do evoke that from time to time. And we are just handing freighter loads of ammunition to the other side every time we make such a post. I just wish everybody would keep that in mind before hitting that "post" button. It isn't Zombie or zulubaby or Iron Fist or even bigel that is going to be held accountable for any vituperation here, regardless of how well-justified that vituperation may be. Only Charles' name is on the masthead, and everything that's posted here is going to be laid squarely upon him - count on it. We are all guests here in Charles' house, and we should be mindful of that when we post. I'm not saying I disagree with any particular post on this thread, mind you, but I just feel that this is something we should all keep in mind. And no, I don't have any particular limits in mind nor would I approve of any enforcement of limits per se. But I do think it would be great and, more importantly, of a great help to Charles in his conduct of his obviously important work here, if we would all just consider that issue, however briefly, before punching that "post" button. I guess I'm just in a pissy mood this afternoon because I have to leave home tomorrow. Sorry.

160 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:58:11am

Painfully Bottlenecked Urethral Hamsters

161 TMF  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:58:50am

#153

Our troops are still in SA but will be withdrawn now that there is no longer an imminent threat of genocide against the Saudis and destruction of the oil fields posed by Sadaam.

Yes, other countries have troops all over the world. Its called "NATO" and they are pretty much everywhere.

The moonbat may not have heard of it, but there are troops in Serbia/Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa, Europe, and other foreign type places.

162 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:00:26am

Mike C. (#159)

It isn't Zombie or zulubaby or Iron Fist or even bigel that is going to be held accountable for any vituperation here, regardless of how well-justified that vituperation may be.

I haven't even posted on this thread. What is your problem!? I'm getting really tired of this kind of crap. Worry about yourself and leave me out of it, okay?

I guess I'm just in a pissy mood this afternoon because I have to leave home tomorrow.

Good for you. Go find somebody else to dump on, I'm not interested.

163 jwpaine  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:01:09am

#27 2X4 wielder

That story was actually covered yesterday by World News Daily and posted to LGFers informal repository for all things WardChurchillian about an hour later.

164 Mr. Beamish  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:02:43am

PBUH = Puts Bombs Under Highrises

165 Renna  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:03:26am

From the sidebar:AP - 13 minutes ago

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) said Tuesday that Israel is prepared to make "painful compromises for peace," and has begun coordination with Palestinians on Israel's planned pullout from the Gaza Strip

Regardless on which side of the Gaza pullout debate you fall on (and may I add that some of those debates here have, for the most part, shown some of the most intelligent arguments and respectful disagreement that can be found on the web - echo chamber, my aunt fanny), you can't like the word "painful."

166 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:03:46am

Ligthen up, Mike C. I think Charles was seeking some humorous comments. Don't be so sensitive and worry about what others think of you. It's like those nabobs here in America who always fret about what the world thinks of us.

167 Maine's Michael  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:04:12am

MikeC

Hey with all the shit going on in the world, a little fun at the expense of mohamed (prefers boys unless hairy) is just what the doctor ordered.

Besides, LGF has gotten more popular as time goes on, despite the occasional sophomoric threads ( or perhaps because of them?).

Anyhow, what Z'babe said.

168 gymnast  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:05:01am

#159, Mike C. Your post sounds like some of the comments that I have heard at a meeting of a faculty committee when someone suggests that the committee should attempt to produce a product more in keeping with what the Department Chairman or Dean wants. Take your PC bullshit somewhere else. If a poster bugs you, address the poster.

169 bouzouki  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:05:18am

Pathetic
Belligerant
Underachieving
Humanoid

170 andthenblammo!  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:07:13am

Somewhere near Curzon Street there is a rug dealer with a big "90% Off Overstock Prayer Rugs" banner in his window. Maybe demand goes up next year.

171 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:07:48am

Mike C. - That urethral hamster thing... Charles is innocent. I take full responsibility for that, and every other horrible thing that I can think up from here out. Just give me a minute.

172 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:08:10am

Is it just me, or has anyone thought Mike C.'s lamentations in #159 are deserving of an Insta-Fisking?

Someone please have at it. I am, unfortunately, a little busy right now.

173 Joel  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:08:15am

Pigshit
Be
Upon
Him

174 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:08:32am

Like I care what the left think of me anyway. I have no respect for them, think they're mostly insane, but now I should worry about how they perceive me? Especially for something I didn't say? Whatever. Grow up, worry about your own behaviour and leave me the hell out of it.

175 Rufus Lee King  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:09:25am

159 John C.

I feel like Gus Grissom after being John Glenned.

Kidding aside, I do worry about Charles taking the heat for all the sacred cows which are run through the grinder hereabouts. Now days, there are real safety issues involved.

Its one of the reasons why I give thanks every day we have this great place to vent and brainstorm, no matter the apoplexy it may cause.

But I do think we have an effect here in breaking new ground in meaningful discussions. I see a lot of the ideas, particular on Islam's barbarity, previously seen only here and a precious few other places, begin to percolate into media streams elsewhere. And for that, I think we should be forgiven our blemishes.

176 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:10:18am
177 PDM  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:10:52am

I just want to say that I take full responsibility for the semi-nude women in the graphic I posted. And if I'm requested to take them off of this blog and return home with them then I will do so.

178 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:11:16am

Forgive us our blemishes
as we forgive the flemish against us
and lead us not into inanity
but deliver us from evil
Amen

179 salt1907  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:11:17am

Maybe the students should insert photos of General Pershing after every reference to Muhommed. He had the real solution to this whole mess.

180 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:11:35am
“However we do not expect candidates to do this.


Candidate, who do do this may have their mark upgraded.

181 BabbaZee  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:11:43am

make that phlegmish

182 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:12:08am
183 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:12:39am
184 zombie  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:14:39am

#159 Mike C.:
I sorta see your point, but what I wory about much more is the self-censorship it implies. The asshats will hate us no matter what we post here. They don't need a reason. DUers and Kossacks can post unfathomable evil every hour, and they sure as hell don't hold themselves back.

Personally, I'm more concerned with raising the level of the average post regarding its journalistic importance. I'd like to see people spending some more energy tracking down details, and/or stirring the pot by sending emails and contacting people, etc. Jokes, like the ones on this thread, don't bother me in the slightest, however. Jokes are good, but they should be complemented with "citizen-journalism."

#162 zulubaby:
I think Mike C. was just using us as examples of well-known commenters, rather than pointing out what we personally had posted. What he was trying to say was, I think, that Charles and Charles alone would be held responsible for the comments of all his minions, and that no one else -- even well-known posters like us -- would be held responsible for the comments of others.

I think.

185 Mr. Beamish  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:14:43am

PBUH = petty barbaric unscruplous hypocrite

186 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:15:02am

Mike C., remember this post of yours?

You still haven't answered my question from that thread.

187 Roger  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:15:19am

#177 PDM, think you can handle that much responsibility?

188 Rufus Lee King  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:16:01am

we been phlegm-phlammed by the Flems again

189 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:16:41am

179, a most excellent solution.

190 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:17:11am

zombie, I don't care what he meant. He can speak for himself and himself only and take care of his own behaviour and that's it. I'm not interested in him being my nanny. I'm an adult. I'll do and say exactly as I please.

Not pissy with you, you understand, just a bit fed up with Mike C.

191 Roger  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:17:37am

#175 Rufus Lee King
#184 zombie

both good posts

192 Luigi  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:17:48am

159 Mike C.

You know, Charles does some seriously good work via this blog, but as we all know, it is cherry-picked to a fair-thee-well to depict Charles as a hate-filled racist. I personally don't see that in Charles' posts, but the comments sure do evoke that from time to time. And we are just handing freighter loads of ammunition to the other side every time we make such a post. I just wish everybody would keep that in mind before hitting that "post" button.


LGF is real life. It's what real people think. It is not ready for prime time. It is the blogosphere's dirty little secret. Now that the blogosphere is finding links from respectable places, it is notable that LGF rarely gets linked. And that is because, I think, of the nearly comically anti-Islamic rhetoric that appears here. Nobody with a job in media wants to be associated with it.

What are our stats here? How many similar sites have 2000 people online at any given time, and 90000 hits a day?

The country is at war with those who have chosen to war on us. The rhetoric here is no worse than anti-German and anti-Japanese rhetoric in WWII. It's probably similar pretty similar. Its just more public and it occurs in a venue where it shocks some people.

LGF is a creature of the times. Charles has provided a sounding board that is profoundly more honest that tv or the press. There are so many people who feel the same way as LGF posters. Remember, there are a lot more people reading than posting. I'm often embarassed by the over the top stuff, but more often I'm liberated by general sentiment.

193 Mike C.  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:21:18am

# 162 zulubaby

I'm sorry - I didn't mean to imply that you had posted on this thread or had ever posted anything objectionable on any thread. I was just using your nic as one of the undoubted "stars" of LGF posters, in an attempt to point out that, regardless of who posts, everything is laid on Charles when all is said and done. In all likelyhood, I should not have used your nic, or anybody else's for that matter, so I hearby extend my apologies to you, Zombie, Iron Fist and even bigel. This is not a great day for me and like everybody else, I do get inconsiderate from time to time. Again, my apologies.

194 PDM  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:22:00am

#187 Roger,

think you can handle that much responsibility?

Well, maybe not the one in the mask. :-P

195 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:22:09am
196 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:23:44am

193, your penance is five hours of Kos and five hours of DU.

197 Renna  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:23:44am

Yet another OT- (I'm not hat-tip fishing. The thread and real work are slow, so I'm cruising around)

A U.N. team monitoring sanctions on al-Qaida predicted Tuesday there will be an escalation in the brutality of terrorist attacks, saying the network remains determined to strike around the world.

Insert "Well, duh" or "water is wet" joke here.

"Al-Qaida is a phenomenon that observes no borders. It is even harder to track now than it was a year or two ago when it had a more coherent structure and leadership," Barrett said.

Does Mr. Barrett think it would be better if we had left the leadership and structure in place, so that they would be easier to track down, so that when we found them we could destroy their leadership and structure, but that would make them harder to find, so maybe not.

198 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:24:10am

Mike C., apology accepted. I appreciate it.

199 foreign devil  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:25:19am

#192 Luigi:

Good post! With some exceptions (profanity and anti-Semitic remarks) most people can post as they think on LGF. If it's not acceptable the other posters usually jump right on the hapless boob and hit them with the clue by four! So far, unless Charles deletes or a troll is outright banned because they don't figure it out, it's worked out well. LGF is free-wheeling and unrestrained by most posters choose not to use excess profanity since it weakens your argument, in any case!

200 Maine's Michael  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:26:15am

I want an apology too.

What am I, chopped liver?

201 hepcat  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:26:35am

Sorry folks: All Sold Out!
Caveman Club t-shirt

Yours truly,
Fred Flintstone
Grand PBUH
Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo's

202 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:28:09am
203 Roger  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:28:22am

#196 JammieWearingFool, brutal. Can't he just apologies to chopped liver too?

204 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:29:20am
205 jwpaine  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:30:56am

mildly OT:

I've noticed that DU/DKos take over 400,000 hits a day, while LGF takes about a quarter of that, and I wondered why.

My theory: Lizardoids come here for news, information and debate. Moonbats go there for comfort.

Just a theory.

206 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:32:18am

#200 Maine's Michael

I want an apology too.

Hell, I want a sobriquet. (My vocab word, thanks to Goat Guy.)

207 Catttt  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:32:27am

196 JammieWearingFool

193, your penance is five hours of Kos and five hours of DU.

Woah. Harsh! How about something easier, like five hours of roofing or five hours of reading tax tables? :)

208 Luigi  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:33:48am

205 jwpaine

I've noticed that DU/DKos take over 400,000 hits a day, while LGF takes about a quarter of that, and I wondered why.


Where are the stats? How do I learn to find that info?

209 PDM  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:34:14am

#200 Maine's Michael,


I want an apology too.

What am I, chopped liver?

Not just chopped liver. The best chopped liver.
That was meant as a compliment, but if you took it as an insult, please accept my apology.

210 Mike C.  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:34:16am

# 196 Jammiewearingfool

Heh. I already do that, by the way - well maybe over a two week period.

To the rest of the thread - Obviously I have hit a wrong note here. I didn't mean to offend zombie, or zulubaby or anybody else, and I most sincerly apologize for doing so. My concerns may not fit everybody else's pistols, and that's fair enough. It was wrong of me to use specific nics in my post even though those folks had not posted (at that time) on this thread or on this subject. As I said previously, I was just using those nics as easily-recognized 'stars' of LGF posters. More credit to them, and I am sorry to have involved them in my concerns.

211 PollyPrissypants  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:34:27am

#205 jwpaine

I've noticed that DU/DKos take over 400,000 hits a day, while LGF takes about a quarter of that, and I wondered why


They lie about everything else, so they probably have something rigged to make their number of site visits look higher...

212 zombie  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:35:34am

#192 Luigi

And that is because, I think, of the nearly comically anti-Islamic rhetoric that appears here.

It only appears comical if you don't understand the truth that backs it up. The problem is not with how much LGFers dump on Islam -- the problem is that the general world outside mostly has not yet seen what Islam is truly all about. If the world was accurately educated as to the true nature of Islam, then the comments on LGF would seem mainstream.

It would take a lot of work to enlighten every single drop-by lurker on LGF. And there are PLENTY of sites out there that expose Islam for what it truly is. Our jokey "over-the-top" comments are based on the foundation of already knowing the true realities of Islam. It's not simply ignorant bigoted ranting, as people on the LLLeft want the world to believe. It is they who are ignorant, not us.

LGF continues to grow, in numbers and in importance. The free range of ideas posted here may be harsh to some, but it is refreshing.

214 Mike C.  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:36:16am

# 198 zulubaby

Thank you. I appreciate that.

215 Renna  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:37:23am

#205 jwpaine

Several other theories about the traffic difference

A)There are just lots more moonbats than sane folk.

(too horrible to think about...next?)

B)Sane folks are spread out over 2 or 3 hundred really good anti-idiotarian blogs, moonbats only have 2 or 3.

but most likely:

C) Moonbats don't have jobs.

216 bouzouki  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:37:37am

When you care enough to cook the very best chopped liver.

217 Mike C.  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:38:01am

# 200 Maine's Michael

OK, OK - I'm sorry I forgot to mention your insignificant self. Heh.

218 jwpaine  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:38:09am

#208 Luigi:

Here.

219 Shammer  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:38:58am

PBUH= Pabst Beer Umpteen Hangovers

220 Luigi  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:40:06am

218 jwpaine

Thanks a lot.

221 Crusader  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:40:40am

"I've noticed that DU/DKos take over 400,000 hits a day, while LGF takes about a quarter of that, and I wondered why"

As I understand it, DK has "journal" sites included in the hit counter--ancilary sites set up by members there. As a result, their "total" isn't comparable to LGF, where 100 percent of the hits are directed to ONE site.

223 Momzilla  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:42:10am

#153 Eagle

Re:

"the US is the only country in the world with troops in foreign countries".

Ummm... Ivory Coast comes immediately to mind. That's your moonbat specimen's peaceloving French. They ARE not part of the UN peacekeeping force there, but there -- dare I say it? -- unilaterally in order to protect their own interests.

224 Catttt  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:43:42am

Persuasion based upon houri

225 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:44:31am

#124 VtheK

Prophet? Bull***t! Useless Hellspawn

Love it!

#200 Maine's Michael

Nah-you're the real deal.

227 Mike C.  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:45:16am

# 222 Renna

True. Oh, look ! Pigs flying by over a frozen Hell !

228 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:45:18am

Prefers
Boeings,
Unarmed
Hostages

229 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:46:03am

#159 Mike C.,

At the end of the day its the combination of what Charles posts and what people on the comment boards post that defines LGF. We are living in a symbiotic relationship here, notwithstanding that Charles is the main player.

There's plenty of people on LGF who've pissed me off, as I am sure that I've pissed people off too. There's also people who have stepped over the boundary, at least, the boundary according to me. Unfortunately, others may define their boundary in a different way. If someone steps over the mark, I'll point that out here if and when I see it. Others are then free to back me up, or disagree, or, for that matter, voice their own complaints about people stepping over the boundary - to which I can then voice my opinion. At the end there's going to be a consensus, and even if I don't agree with it, I'll accept it, or move to another site or whatever.

Yesterday, for instance, there was this idiot "kelly" who threatened someone on this board. To me that is a whole different ball game than calling for Paris to be "nuked" or whatever. Personal threats have no place here, so I voiced my opinion on that. One or two people agreed, others, including the "victim", did not. So fine, I'll have to live with that.

Ultimately, Charles is free to block anyone he feels has overstepped the mark. The only caveat I'd add to that is that Charles is evidently unable to scan all posts, hence, it is in large part up to us, collectively, to point out if and when we think someone has gone too far and point it out to Charles if and where that is possible.

230 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:46:07am

#153 Eagle
Ask your moonbat who's occupying Tibet. He might know.

231 zombie  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:46:32am
#221 Crusader 
DK has "journal" sites included in the hit counter--ancilary sites set up by members there. As a result, their "total" isn't comparable to LGF, where 100 percent of the hits are directed to ONE site.

If Charles somehow included all the hits to sites maintained by lizardoids, and added them to his total (as Kos does with Kossacks' sites), then I think his visitor total would be comparable to Kos and the others. The are hundreds of "parasitic" (not meant to be offensive) blogs and sites run by LGFers -- including my own site and plenty of great blogs by other talented minions -- that are somewhat related to or dependent on LGF.

Sheer visitor numbers can be manipulated in various ways, and don't always tell the whole story.

232 jwpaine  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:46:43am

#215 Renna

Yeah, I considered those theories, but they either made me despair for the future of the human race (A); or reminded me that shit spread thin makes fertilizer, while shit piled high makes fires (B) which again made me despair for the future of the human race; or made me glad that they were blogging rather than diddling each other and making more moonbats (C), which actually made me hopeful for the future of the human race.

So, being a cockeyed optimist and after much deliberation, I'll take C. But my "comfort" theory is still appealing...

233 fmfnavydoc  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:46:53am

Puts
Bombs
Under
Hundai

Puts
Bomb
Under
Honda

Pedophiles
Beheading
Unclean
Heathens

234 Mike C.  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:47:42am

# 226 Ed

Hey guy, any bad weather in store for Chicago tomorrow ? All is good here in the DC area, so I only have to worry about Chicago.

235 Luigi  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:47:48am

Jeez, Kos is getting your tax dollars with ads from PBS.

236 mardukhai  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:48:20am

/ot
Just when you thought that the Fwensh couldn't sink any lower...
French government looted a California insurance company of BILLIONS through a government controled bank:

Executive Life Case About to Go to Trial

The California insurance commissioner's lawsuit alleges fraud and conspiracy by the French companies that bought the crippled insurer in 1991.

By Marc Lifsher, Times Staff Writer

Thirteen years ago, then-California Insurance Commissioner John Garamendi boasted that he couldn't think of "a better gift for policyholders" than his sale of Executive Life Insurance Co. to a group of French investors.

The deal with banking giant Credit Lyonnais and MAAF Vie, a small Paris-based insurance company, ensured that Executive Life would be "rehabilitated" and that policyholders' investments were "secure," the commissioner told reporters in December 1991.

These days, Garamendi is singing a different tune. Back in office after an eight-year hiatus, the insurance commissioner is vigorously pushing a lawsuit filed by predecessor Chuck Quackenbush that accuses the French companies — and, by extension, the French government — of fraud and conspiracy. After six years of pretrial maneuvering, and barring a last-minute settlement, jury selection in the case is set to begin Wednesday in a federal courtroom in Los Angeles.

Garamendi claims that he was tricked into selling the crippled insurer and its depressed portfolio of junk bonds to Credit Lyonnais. The lawsuit alleges that the deal deprived Executive Life and its 350,000 policyholders of $2 billion in profit made by the French after the bonds rebounded in value during the 1990s.

"The Credit Lyonnais group profited mightily as a result of its fraud," Garamendi said recently. "This trial is about bringing justice to the policyholders and making sure the defendants are forced to disgorge their ill-gotten gains."

Because Credit Lyonnais was owned by the French government at the time of the Executive Life sale, a win by Garamendi in the courtroom could leave French taxpayers on the hook for billions of dollars in damages. And that possibility is aggravating already strained Franco-American relations.

News about the Executive Life case appears regularly on the front pages of major Paris dailies. The trial has attracted a phalanx of French reporters and is expected to rival the Michael Jackson child molestation case being tried in Santa Maria for the attention of French readers.

"It's a big story in France, and every development has been followed consistently and closely for many years," said Marc Levine, Los Angeles bureau chief for Agence France-Presse, the French news service. "But now that we're gearing up for the trial, interest is at an all-time high."

Read the rest -- We have such GREAT "allies"!
PS Tell Charles...

237 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:48:35am

song_and_dance_man (#202)

Let's send zulubaby as LGF ambassador to France to kick Chirac in the ass.

It would be my pleasure, and Maine's Michael as my deputy is a fabulous bonus.

238 fmfnavydoc  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:50:50am

Mike C

I'm in the Chicago area - today: Rain turning into light snow (up to two inches)

Tomorrow - Mostly Sunny 30*F

Next snow expected over the weekend

239 jwpaine  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:51:05am

#231 zombie

As a fellow "parasite" I have to agree. Tho my site is new and single-issued, it could add to LGF's hits, and I'm sure there are other spin-offs out there that could add much more significant numbers if they were included.

240 Maine's Michael  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:51:17am
OK, OK - I'm sorry I forgot to mention your insignificant self. Heh.

Great, A backhanded apology. Do you not know that you are addressing the originator of the best sobriquet of the day?

Sheesh.

241 Tgregg  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:51:19am

OT

The DUmmies have found identical photos of nuke sites in North Korea and Iran on CNN.com. CNN has since posted a message saying they accidently used the Iran photo in the NK story, but the DU is going apesh@t over conspiracy theories.

I guess the conspiracy would be that North Korea doesn't really have nukes? But CNN felt obliged to lie like a rug to support BusHitler, so we can. . . what? Nuke Korea? All aided by CNN and the rest of the MSM?

That's some serious mental illness there. Maybe somebody should push them a little more over the edge, and post something like this:

"Since the constitution prohibits three consecutive presidential terms, perhaps BusHitler will seize control of the government prior to the `08 elections and declare martial law. Then he'll nuke the middleast, outlaw gays and shoot all the liberals. After that, he'll bring on the apocalypse."

I bet they'd buy that theory in a hearbeat.

242 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:52:30am

zombie

It would be interesting to tally LGF parasitic blog numbers and run those side by side with actual hits. For the MSM who rely on 'numbers only' for blog credibility, it might force them to reckon Kos mathematics with reality.

243 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:55:52am

Palestinians
Bomb
Unless
Hudna

244 Muck DeFuslims  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:55:59am

Have the Saudis declared they are 95% sure that Israel was behind the Hariri assassination bombing in Lebanon yet ? What's taking so long ?

245 bouzouki  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:57:00am

Mention of Charles on today's Best of the Web Today

246 Shammer  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:57:09am

PBUH= Persistent Bloggers Ultimate Headlines

247 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:57:59am

#235 Luigi

I think the Kinsey book publishers are paying for that.

Btw, Kinsey's conclusions are specious at best, so just the right sort of thing for the Kos kids.

248 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:58:52am

My question to OCR: Why do you think this Mohammad character should be respected? Let's take the engineering approach and judge by results: This Mo guy, whoever he was, starts a religion which apparently causes people to hate themselves to the point of going nuts and flying airplanes into buildings. For this he deserves respect? Hello, OCR, what is your reply?

249 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:00:40am

Pigs,
Beer,
Unhelpfully
Haram

250 reader  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:01:52am

Remember when a bully would grab some unfortunate soul in a headlock and force them to say something humiliating just so they could feel good about themselves? Same thing. We're dealing with thugs, bullys who wrap themselves in religious garb, people who can't stand the truth, since they must know deep down how badly it reflects on them. The difference now is there are enough of us here who know how to get out of a headlock, and even many who can reverse it.

I don't think I'm being over-the-top in this statement. Islam, the belief system I am implicating, has always been about thuggery and the intimidation that goes with that, forcing and imposing a servile behavior upon their non-Muslim populations. This is a necessary condition for Islam, and an unconditional demand, if it is to thrive and overcome non-Muslims' ways. Its deeply ingrained in their culture, their laws and their traditions. This needs to get out, this understanding of the character of Islam, especially now that Muslims and various Muslim groups are attempting to take this act to the west, in their new self-imposed garb as the victimized, increasingly persecuted ethnic minority, a role they are learning to adapt since 9/11, which is a position from which they hope to turn the tables on non-Muslim societies, as they seek to construct a basis for their own sharia law. The dhimmi populations of the Middle East, the real oppressed, victimized and discriminated against group remain, after centuries of unending brutality and inhumanity, essentially invisible, still too afraid to speak out for fear of stirring up violence or having to face a life of increased hardship by seeking greater equality.

251 Geepers  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:02:06am

NuclearTinkerbell (#242),

For the MSM who rely on 'numbers only' for blog credibility,

HA!

The MSM has been lying about their own numbers for years.

And now advertisers are starting to sue over it.

252 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:02:55am

#240 Maine's Michael

Do you not know that you are addressing the originator of the best sobriquet of the day?

Maine's Michael: The Sobriquetor
:)

253 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:03:38am
254 jlfintx  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:04:15am

I guess someone has already used the U for underage? Sorry that is the only letter that stuck out for me.

255 griepenm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:06:28am

can we please open up registration for crying out loud?

256 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:06:39am

#251 Geepers

Lets hope they'll start suing Kos as well soon.


Btw, since we talked about this last time, I did dream about fellow lizaroids yesterday, so I am beginning to worry, just a little bit anyway.

The other thing that I keep doing at work is that I use HTML tags while writing stuff in Word. That, I am worried about...

257 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:08:41am
258 tats66  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:09:01am

[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

Read Ritter's article for Al Jazeera where he claims the US started death sqauds, which is why the insurgency started!

259 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:10:11am

And yet more BS from the island nation:


'McLibel' pair win legal aid case

Two activists should have been given legal aid in their long fight against a McDonald's libel action, a court says.

The European Court of Human Rights said the lack of such aid effectively denied the pair the right to a fair trial.

Helen Steel and David Morris, from north London, dubbed the "McLibel Two", were found guilty in a 1990s trial of libelling the
company in a leaflet.


Just having to look at the highlighted words makes me sick.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

260 coastygirl  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:10:30am

They still put J.M.J. at the top of classwork at my daughter's school. I asked her why, and she said it's for "good luck" I'm thinking it's intended for something more along the lines of keeping J.M.J. in their thoughts and deeds or something. If any Catholics here can give me a better explanation, I'd appreciate it, as we didn't do this when I was in school.

261 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:11:31am

I wonder what Elizabeth I would have thought of all this?

262 jwpaine  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:12:04am

Pig-poking
Bacon-fearing
Ululating
Headchoppers

263 not neo just conservative  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:12:09am

Way OT but important.

The young Marine who shot the wounded terrorist during the takedown of Fallujah is apparently being brought up on charges. There is a petition online supporting this young man at:

[Link: www.petitiono...]

Please take a moment and sign the petition.

Thanks,

not neo

264 Geepers  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:12:10am

Occasional Reader,

P-90's
Bring
Ummah
Hardship

265 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:12:57am

#253 S&Dman

This is one of the reasons why Mr Islam "won" the case:


Peace award

They also pointed out that Mr Islam was recently presented with the Man for Peace award by a group of Nobel Peace Laureates.


[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

266 LSD  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:14:08am

OT:

Does anyone have further information on the Shooting at the upstate N.Y. BestBuy?

What I'd like to know is how/why TWO National Guard Recruiters were shot (and one other civilian) and no followup by any press?

Anyone?

267 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:15:30am

#264 Geepers: You are, like, sooo totally insensitive...!

268 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:16:29am

#258 tats66

WTF was this idiot doing looking for WMD in Iraq?

By the looks of it Ritter probably helped Saddam hide the damned stuff.

269 levi from queens  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:16:38am

266--lsd -- it was a whacko (not a terorist) per this morning's NYPost.

270 Maine's Michael  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:17:33am
It would be my pleasure, and Maine's Michael as my deputy is a fabulous bonus.

There's no way I'm going all the way to france to see Chirac unless I can bring my baseball bat into the meeting with me, and circle around behind his desk, slowly talking "yes, mR. Chirac, your foereing policy is indeed sans pareil. . . in fact, it is genius . . . THWACK!


/drifts off into reverie

271 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:18:25am

hm


Kelly Bundy, because I had pointed out the obvious (that her rather limited intellect relegates her to jobs generally performed by illegal aliens, such as lawn mowing, or to topless bars) posted a "witty" retort that I must spend all my money on prostitutes, and did my wife know.

Hardly a threat, just a pinhead's idea of a putdown.

272 eeevil conservative  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:19:10am

THIS IS INSANITY!

I think they should start writing God as the Jews do--- G-d. then they can follow it with Baruch Atah Adonei (sp?)

273 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:19:19am

Maine's Michael, you can do whatever you want. We're going there to kick his ass. Imagine what fun we're going to have!

274 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:20:07am

#270 Maine's Michael:

slowly talking "yes, mR. Chirac, your foereing policy is indeed sans pareil.

Wouldn't a quick lecture about la travaille en equipe be more appropriate for the occasion?

275 Geepers  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:22:09am

hm (#256),

LOL, you're getting there.

I used to take a lot of martial arts, one of things that became a habit was stopping and bowing before you go into class; cha ryut, kyung yet (come to attention and bow), When I did this rushing to class one day I knew I had become too preconditioned.

I don't think I ever did dream in Korean though.

Chinese on the other hand, ...

276 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:22:54am

#254 jlfintx

I guess someone has already used the U for underage? Sorry that is the only letter that stuck out for me.

B sticks out for me. Belial. Ba'al. Beelzebub.

Or maybe P? Pestilence. Plagiarist. Pedophile. Polygamist. Polytheist. Primordial. Pondscum. Prophet. Pederast.

277 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:23:43am

Probably
Bought
Underoos [for]
Harem


[okay, Charles, it's really time for a new thread]

278 jwpaine  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:24:19am

#271 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades


The trolls are attacking lizardoids for spending all their money on prostitutes, and also threatening to tell their wives?!

Great Googly=moogly!

/spending all my money on prostitutes

279 not neo just conservative  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:24:58am

Broken link at #263 above. Here's a working link:

[Link: www.petitiononline.com...]

280 leftover54  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:26:10am

OT:


Sempre P.C. !

281 Bob with one O  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:26:51am

Maine's Michael #270,

Wasn't that from an Al Capone movie?

282 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:28:25am

#271 Ed,

Thanks for reading my (rather long) post, I didn't mean to drag you back into this, hence I didn't mention your nic and just called you "victim", emphasis on the scare quotes. ;-)

Fortunately, you didn't take it all that seriously, I respect you for keeping your cool.
To me, threats, no matter how badly veiled, are still threats and have no place on LGF. Luckily, it doesn't happen all that often.

283 TMF  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:29:02am

Last night Brian Williams, c-sucking retard that he is, referred to the Hariri assassination as the possible beginning of a "new cycle of violence" in the middle east.

Am I nuts or is that a backhanded slap at Israel, somehow?

Is there any violence, in the limited mind of the MSM that isn't somehow part of a moral equivocating "cycle"? Is there such a thing as just plain old TERRORISM anymore?

284 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:29:21am

I guess I'll stop spending all my money on man-whores and contribute, instead, to the 'Send zulubaby and Maine's Michael to Fwance Fund.'

285 Bob with one O  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:30:25am

Ed,
hm,

Thanks guys. I thought I logged onto yesterdays thread.

286 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:31:14am

I see we have recalled our US ambassador from Syria for consultations. Looks like W has solved the crime.

287 Mike C.  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:32:14am

# 229 hm

I more or less agree with you. But I've seen Charles get hammered for comments he's not directly responsible for. And that bothers me. Yes, I agree that this is a most wonderful open forum, and I wouldn't have it any other way. But I do find it disturbing that even the worst post of the month gets laid directly upon Charles. And I do worry about it. Maybe my worries aren't warranted, but hell - even paranoiacs have enemies. Anyway, just chalk it up to my overly-worried attitude and a bad day.

288 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:32:48am

I caught Kelly's attempted put down of Ed. Not only was it nasty, but it wasn't even funny. Just -lame.

289 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:34:15am

#275 Geepers

The thing that worries me most is the HTML tag thing.

The other day I actually wrote an office memo with the various bold and italics symbols. (which I can't demonstrate here for obvious reasons)
Fortunatley, I discovered it before anyone else did.

290 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:35:53am

#285 Bob with one O

You're welcome :-)

291 deja vu  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:37:31am

FWIW, I sent the following e-mail to OCR:

Dear Mr Hilliard,

You state:

"... OCR will always put 'peace be upon him' after Muhammad, in the form of an Arabic colophon, as a mark of respect. However we do not expect candidates to do this.

I am interested in why OCR deems it desirable (or necessary) to append a mark of respect to the prophet of one religion. As I understand it, appending (pbuh) after Mohammed's name is a requirement reserved for the followers of Islam. No 'respect' is warranted for those who do not subscribe to this religion.

Am I correct in assuming that OCR is a secular organisation, not affiliated to any faith? Your 'mark of respect' for Mohammed would suggest that OCR is an Islamic institution. If that it not the case, why is only one faith being singled out for special treatment?

I await your comments with interest.

(not holding breath)

292 Mike C.  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:38:01am

# 238 fmfnavydov

Thanks. I think. Well, if I can just land there on time, it really doesn't matter when the departing flight takes off, as that will be my final flight. I can always just sit in the bar and drink myself silly unti take-off.

293 Maine's Michael  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:38:15am
Wasn't that from an Al Capone movie?

Exactly. Except me and Chirac weren't in it.

294 Bob with one O  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:39:44am

I don't think kelly is the ogre we think kelly is. hm alluded to this a while back and I'm starting to agree.

295 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:41:07am

TMF

"Am I nuts or is that a backhanded slap at Israel, somehow?"

There are always slaps at Israel these days, backhanded or otherwise.

CAUTION pointless, rambling reminiscing follows:

Back in the late seventies there was a wargame put out by Avalon Hill called GULF STRIKE. This was before computers took over and you had paper, maps, cards and dice. It simulated a Mid East crisis and the opening phase of the game involved the players throwing down cards representing their political moves in the run up to war. The Arabs had something like three DENOUNCE ISRAEL cards. You played this card when you had nothing else. Thus it became a joke amongst us nerds, and yet the card is still getting played thirty years later.

OK, I guess you had to be there. BUT I did warn you.

296 Q  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:41:23am
the U.S. authorities had been right to refuse Islam entry to the country.

If only.

297 Roger  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:41:39am

Pernicious
Brutal
Unsolicited
Headache

298 reader  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:42:22am

2X4 wielder (#81),

I wish I understood that project better. I know enough to know that is probably the most interesting ongoing project in AI, and has been for some time. There are other projects, other goals. Ray Kurzweil talks about eventually having the nanotechnological capabilities to observe the brain inside the body well enough to finally understand how it works, which will in turn allow them to finally construct a human-like AI. That really seems like science fiction. Another group of researchers I just read about are trying to teach computers to read. Computers are already astoundingly good in limited skill set domains, where the parameters and symbols used are set, such as in predicting stocks, making medical diagnoses, playing chess, employing various gaming strategies (including war games), etc. Its when they confront broader, more complex areas like language and common sense knowledge (CYC's approach), the stuff that children can master, that computers trip up on.

My guess is we'll eventually get there, but I don't it will ever be a human intelligence. It will be something different, better in some ways, not as good in others.

299 Rednek  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:44:06am
300 Bob with one O  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:46:37am

Perilous
Beast
Unchainedfrom
Hell

301 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:48:07am

#300 Bob with one O

Good one! :)

302 Renna  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:48:35am

OT - The President intends to nominate C. David Welch, of Virginia, to be Assistant Secretary of State (Near Eastern Affairs).

Here's the thread on him, to refresh memories that need it. here

I suppose we can send any suggestions to replace Mr. Welch as ambassador to Egypt to president-at-whitehouse-dot-gov. ;-)

303 Bob with one O  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:48:41am

rightasrain,

Thank you.

304 OC Chuck  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:48:59am

Pork, bacon, und ham

305 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:49:53am

#287 Mike C.

My post was meant more as something supplementary to, rather than as a rebuttal of what you wrote.
I'd certainly feel very shitty if Charles had to take the heat for something outrageous that I had posted.

Anyway, I suppose you shouldn't worry too much about it since you're unlikely to be someone who gets Charles into trouble with impertinent comments.

But I certainly do think that it is our collective responsibility to speak up when people here say things which are out of order. The outcome will be an ever changing consensus of what people here accept and what they do not accept.
Luckily, as of right now, the lizards are a pretty forgiving bunch.

306 Tim in PA  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:50:05am

Heh. Anyone notice they didn't put the 'pbuh' in their statement?

307 jhs  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:50:06am

from Debka

Syrian Military Intelligence Eliminates Hariri and Reform Hopes for Lebanon

[Link: www.debka.com...]


In War Crisis, Hizballah, Palestinians, Poised to Line up behind Pro-Syrian Lebanese Government

[Link: www.debka.com...]

As the opposition begins to fight back for the brutal slaying, the whiff of war hangs over the country that was wracked for 15 years by civil bloodshed up until 1991.

308 OC Chuck  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:50:52am

My guess is that if Charles had a problem with our posts, he would say something about it.

309 Geepers  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:51:15am

hm (#289),

Just re-read that post, I stopped and bowed once going to class at OSU. Everyone stopped and looked at me. They probably all think I'm Buddhist. (Hmmm, I did kinda have a Mohawk at the time.)

I see posts all the time at other sites or here that have the reverse of the correct <> or [] tags displayed.

"Preview is your friend, grasshopper."

That, or listen to Longfellow. (Follow my football ;-)

310 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:51:37am

Mike C.
I sincerely hope you have a good trip tomorrow. Airline travel is so stressful. After waiting in endless lines, being delayed, rerouted, groped by security, and subjected to crying infants, not to mention closed breathing systems filled with strangers' germs and viruses, I (occasionally) (secretly) hope for an attempted highjacking, just so I have a target to vent on. Richard Reid would not make it off the plane.

Remember: If you leave this life without having been issued a fatwa, you need to re-evaluate your morals. (Of course, you'd already be dead... So you should evaluate your morals now so you get your fatwa prior to check-out time.)
:)

311 Roger  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:53:00am

#306 Tim in PA, meet #17 Thom:-)

312 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:54:15am

I think we should advocate the position that "peace be upon him" is insufficiently pious. I mean, this is the Prophet we're talking about, is "peace" really enough? I propose instead that Mo' should always be referred to as "peaceful, tolerant, universally intelligible". The reference would be abbreviated textually as follows:

"The Prophet Muhammad (ptui)..."

313 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:56:12am

#309 Geepers

Wow, how do you do that?

When I type those bracketty type things which, on my keyboard, are next to the M-key, nothing shows up on Preview.

314 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:58:04am

#311 Roger

LOL.
I totally missed that.

315 Mike C.  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:58:30am

# 305 hm

I find it impossible to imagine that you would ever be the source of an embarrassing post. You're one of the most rational on here, in my humble opinion.

Charles,

Is there some way to automatically kick off a new, generic thread when you're out actually living your life or riding the "Cycle of Violence" ? The last few late-night open threads are a good idea, and give us early-morning lizardoids somewhere to congregate until the rest of the minions wake up. But sometimes the threads do get overloaded. Not saying anything is wrong with the current set-up, mind you, just wondering if it couldn't be improved a bit by your obviously superior web-fu. I'll shut up now.

316 Bob with one O  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:59:46am

Mike C,

Good luck flying tomorrow. Don't forget (like you will, duh)to thank a soldier or Marine (or any servicemember) if you see one in a terminal or one on your flight.


OC Chuck #308,

He has in the past. Specific posts have been deleted as well as the poster themselves being banned. Comments have been made as to the nastiness of threads too.

317 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 11:59:50am

I'm not to worried about anyone telling my wife I frequent topless bars/whorehouses. I leave the house at 6:15, get home from work between 6 and 7 depending on traffic and how late I stayed, I rarely go out by myself on weekends, and I'm in bed most weeknights by 10.

It doesn't hurt that we both keep up the checkbook and pay the credit cards. If I was spending money whoring or visiting ta-ta bars, she'd know.

318 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:00:26pm

#312 Occasional Reader

"The Prophet Muhammad (ptui)..."

ROTFL! :)

Ah, fun with acronyms...

Years ago, I knew a group at work that was asked to come up with a name for itself (a meaningful name with an associated acronym.)

Every single suggestion was something along the lines of...

Software Hardware Integrated Team Support

The list went on and on (every single one was a funny acronym.)

Their manager was not amused, but those of us nearby thought it was hilarious! :)

319 Aladin Sane  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:00:45pm

Okay, I'll try...

Prefers
Barney
Underwear
Himself

320 Mike C.  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:00:50pm

# 309 Geepers

Does that post mean you spent time in Stillwater ? Good ground water hydrology group there.

321 Geepers  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:01:25pm

Occasional Reader (#267),

Moi?! Parole il n'est pas aussi.

322 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:02:05pm

Yeah
east coast (US) morning log ons are a challenge when all we got is last nights leftovers. You guys shouldn't stay in bed so late.

323 longwinger  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:04:54pm

I thought Islam's favorite quote was, "first the jew and then the gentile" ?

324 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:05:43pm

Speaking of air travel
I once flew on a soviet era Yak 36 airliner. On final approach the cabin filled with white mist which looked initially like smoke. I don't know how they managed that one...

325 Bob with one O  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:06:31pm

Peacekeeper,

5:00pm eastern the threads slow down and get quiet.

326 Renna  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:07:44pm

BOb with an O

At least until they install wireless internet service up and down the highways.

327 Aladin Sane  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:07:55pm

OT

#325 Bob with one O

I still chuckle at "Bob, James Bob."

328 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:08:22pm

Yeah, I should go home now. Where my lousy dial up modem makes returning to LGF virtually pointless. I'll miss you guys.

329 Geepers  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:09:42pm

Mike C. (#320),

¿Me no comprehendo, ground water hydrology?

OSU Ohio State University.

We're the Buckeyes!

330 Bob with one O  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:12:09pm

Renna,

Then insurance rates will go up because lizards try to type and drive.


Mr Bowie (aladin sane),

I don't know, #319 got me to spray my screnn.

331 Aladin Sane  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:13:47pm

#330 Bob with one O

Sorry about the screen. I was thinking there ought to be a way to start one with proctological...

332 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:16:17pm

#315 Mike C.

Thanks for that.
Admittedly, I do make the occasional impertinent comment, especially involving the term asswipe.

It's a probably a relic from watching too much Beavis and Butthead in my mid 20s. As infantile as that may have been, it was certainly most enjoyable. I especially enjoyed the fact that most people thought/think that B&B is a leftist cartoon, when, in fact it's the exact opposite. Btw, the same goes for South Park.

Have a good flight tomorrow, hope you'll be on one of those planes with in-seat TVs!

333 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:16:23pm

#331 Aladin Sane

Your post gave me this image of Mohammed in Underoos or something (which, yeah, did a number on my computer screen, too.) :)

334 Geepers  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:17:17pm

hm (#313),

Wow, how do you do that?

Damn, pretty soon you'll want to know the difference between a:

Quote Box

and a:

Quote Box

335 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:18:29pm

OT - It looks like a Shi'ite named Ibrahim al Jaafari will be the next Iraqi Prime Minister. Does anyone know why he is described as an "Islamist" (rather than "Islamic") by Yahoo News ?

336 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:20:12pm

#332 hm

the same goes for South Park.

A friend of mine breaks into his Eric Cartman voice at the drop of a hat.

It is so funny! :)

337 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:21:13pm

#334 Geepers

LOL.
In fact, I think I asked that of S&D man the other day, but he didn't oblige...

And yes, I do want to know. :-)

338 TMF  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:23:36pm
339 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:23:52pm

#336 rightasrain

My greatest pleasure in South Park comes from the fact that all my LLL friends think that it expresses their political persuasion.

340 Bob with one O  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:25:21pm

PIMF screen

341 Aladin Sane  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:25:26pm

#338 TMF

WTF? It's about time W found those pictures of Kerry with that goat!

342 Loflyer  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:26:36pm

The more I read about the British, the more it looks like “Animal farm” or “1984”. The American liberals should look at England before embarking down the path of Political Correctness. The Brits used to have a lot of common sense, but you can hardly see it nowadays. It’s a miracle that Blair had the guts to go into Iraq with the US. I predict Britain will become the first Islamic republic in Europe.

343 Bob with one O  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:27:43pm

aladin sane,


Proctology
Butts
Up
High

344 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:28:00pm

#339 hm

My greatest pleasure in South Park comes from the fact that all my LLL friends think that it expresses their political persuasion.

LOL! :)

Although I didn't see the South Park movie, friends told me that it showed Saddam upsetting and scandalizing Satan by being so morally filthy. They didn't elaborate on how. :)

Yeah, I'd say that's more on our side than on the LLL side (to have Saddam being worse than Satan.) :-)

345 Ariana  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:28:20pm

Geepers, you're a buckeye?

346 Beagle  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:29:52pm

Geepers,

It's a small world. Do you live near Zebulon Road?

347 Aladin Sane  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:29:57pm

343 Bob with one O

Um, okay. How 'bout

Proctological
Bemusings
Urge
Hemmaroids

Or this well know piece of ME folklore

Peppered
Balls
Urgently
Hot

348 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:32:10pm

#338 TMF

LOL.

At first I dreaded the fact that for the first time in a long time we were going to have to see the losing candidate in a presidential election on an almost daily basis.

However, I now think we are going to have a lot of fun with this clown for the next couple of years.

When's the next Senate Iraq vote?

349 Bob with one O  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:32:26pm

Prefers
Being
Undressed
Hourly

350 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:32:59pm
351 Mike C.  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:34:43pm

# 316 Bob with one O

I don't thank them. I buy them a meal, pay for their drinks, whatever. Only right, don't you think ?

352 smill1953  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:36:10pm

OT--Charles--
I tried to post this on the Gift-to-Kim-Jong-Ill topic, but I couldn't get the comments to open up.
FYI, you made the Best of the Web today...

The Eason Jordan kerfuffle is really getting silly now. Blogger Charles Johnson points to a 1997 "report" from KCNA
[Link: www.kcna.co.jp...] (second item), the North Korean "news" agency, titled "Gift to Secy. Kim
Jong Il from CNN official":

*** QUOTE ***

Secretary Km Jong Il received a gift from Eason Jordan, President of the Newsgathering and International Network of the CNN
of the United States, who is on a visit to Korea. Eason Jordan asked Kim Yong Sun, Chairman of the Korean Asia-Pacific
Peace Committee and Secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea Central Committee, to convey the gift to Secretary Kim Jong
Il.

*** END QUOTE ***

Curiously, Johnson does not question the veracity of this report, even though it comes from an official arm of the North
Korean regime. Talk about your biased MSM outfits! Where are all the bloggers demanding full disclosure of the KCNA
author's conflicts of interest? (Why, the author isn't even named!)

As it turns out, there is some corroboration for the KCNA "report." It comes from Scott Fisher
[Link: www.1stopkorea.com...] , an American expat living in Seoul, who visited North
Korea in 2002 and wrote a lengthy travelogue that appears on the Web site 1stopkorea.com. Fisher visited the "Kim Jong Il
Shrine," near the Chinese border, where gifts to the "dear leader" (or is it "great leader"?) are on display:

*** QUOTE ***

Ever wonder why CNN seems to be the only Western news organization regularly allowed into North Korea? The next room
perhaps offered a clue. In the "Gifts from America" room a whole section of one wall is taken up by gifts from CNN. A few
engraved plaques, a coffee cup (yeah, a freaking coffee cup!), a logo ashtray, etc. Probably at most a couple hundred bucks
worth of crap that nonetheless get pride of place in the museum--for they reveal obvious signs of respect from a world
famous news organization.

*** END QUOTE ***

That's it? In April 2003, when Jordan admitted suppressing news [Link: www.opinionjournal.com...] so as
to maintain access to Saddam Hussein's Iraq, that was a genuine outrage. Now bloggers are attacking Jordan for giving a
dictator crap?

353 reader  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:36:20pm

TMF (#283),

Better to call that on spin cycle.

354 Beagle  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:36:25pm

#342 Loflyer

I predict Britain will become the first Islamic republic in Europe.

They have brutal competition in Sweden, France, and Spain. My money is on France.

355 Bob with one O  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:37:25pm

Mike C,

You the man!

356 Mike C.  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:37:26pm

# 329 Geepers

Uh, doh ! Sorry - ten years of living in Oklahoma warped my mind.

357 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:37:28pm

S&D man,

In that case it wasn't you.
Thanks & I'll make sure to use it advisedly.

358 foreign devil  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:38:18pm

#250 reader:

Excellent analysis! Very well said. I recommend everone read post #250!

359 Mike C.  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:40:45pm

New thread, new thread ! Move up ! Move up !

360 Studsup  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:42:24pm

#307 jhs,

Interesting how the attempt to move to greater democracy and independence in Lebanon through non-violent political means was received by the Islamists.

This is one more example of why I doubt that the Palestinian Arabs will ever coexist with Israel. The moment that some Arab political leader with the clout to actually achieve it, steps up to actually agree to it, he'll be slaughtered by other muslims.

Why isn't the LLL up in arms about the Syrain occupation of Lebanon? Where is the outrage over this event? There will be none because the LLL and the DNC are essentially allied with the Jihadists in a common interest of hating Christians, Jews and Americans. Any effort to democratize the middle east helps the USA, so the LLL and DNC can't support it. They'd rather give aid and comfort to Jihad.

361 rightasrain  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:43:32pm

#250 reader

Excellent analysis!

The dhimmi populations of the Middle East, the real oppressed, victimized and discriminated against group remain, after centuries of unending brutality and inhumanity, essentially invisible, still too afraid to speak out for fear of stirring up violence or having to face a life of increased hardship by seeking greater equality.

This, of course, is the primary problem with the existence of Israel (from the Muslim perspective.)

Jews lived as dhimmis under Islamic rule for 1400 years.

Now Jews are free in the Middle East (in a Jewish state.)

Aside from the Jew-hatred they would have felt anyway, the fact that Jews now live as a free people in the Middle East is something that Islam can not tolerate.

362 Bob with one O  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:46:34pm

rightasrain,
reader,

Interesting. I must admit my ME history isn't up to par but that is very good.

363 Ariana  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:49:56pm

#104 Renna
Nice catch

So, since Ottomans Sultans were also Sunni that meant the Shiia in those areas have had a long history of Sunni overlords
What about the era between the Ottoman rule, when the British and French were setting up rulers?

Also, I've been under the impression that part of northeastern Iraq was once part of the Savavid (Shiite) Empire after the fall of the Abbasid Dynasty. This perception came from looking at the Ottoman vs Safavid Dynasty maps but if anyone can verify that info, I be appreciative.

364 hm  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:51:31pm

#354 Beagle

I predict Britain will become the first Islamic republic in Europe.

They have brutal competition in Sweden, France, and Spain. My money is on France.


Don't forget the Dutch, in fact, judging by that story where Dutch schoolkids were forbidden from displaying a Dutch flag so as not to offend "anyone", they must be the early front runners.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

365 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 12:52:40pm
366 Geepers  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:02:41pm

Ariana (#345),

Geepers, you're a buckeye?

No.

But I did go to OSU. ;-)

367 Beagle  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:03:18pm

#364 hm

I thought the butchering of VanGogh, threats to Wilders and Ali might be enough to awaken the Dutch. Much of the spin seems to blame Muslim atrocities on those who point them out. All Europe may be a lost cause if they don't flush out their head gear. The United States is only slightly better.

368 Egfrow  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:05:24pm
“OCR will always put ‘peace be upon him’ after Muhammad in the form of an Arabic colophon as a mark of respect.

So, the OCR Machine is a Dhimmi then. How does the OCR feel about this? Religious studies should be left to religeious institutions. The OCR Machine should but a Cross or Hail Mary prayer after every time the name Jesus appears in a report or document also. . . or Maybe the OCR should stop and meditate a few minutes after encountering the word Buddha. British Twits!

369 Ariana  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:08:15pm

#184 zombie, I think he meant it that way too, I think
besides zula, everyone loves you :-)


Zombie, a good example is that article by the chronicle of Higher Education that I posted earlier I'll repeat it

Here


I was very excited that they reconized LGF for kicking off the Churchill investigation first, but frustrated that they pulled off a quote that focused on someone "kicking the door" in anger instead of the valid insights and discoveries. It's hard not to vent to friends but unfortunately the world watches, including the media now

370 Ariana  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:11:13pm

Ok anyone want a laugh at Indymedia's lastest conspiracy >

If we are being payed off, All I want to know is HEY WHERES MY PAYCHECK? :-d

Indymedia accuses LGF and others of being on the PAYOLA

371 Sevoguy  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:15:37pm

They follow a false prophet.

372 Aladin Sane  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:22:06pm

Pulls
Boner
Under
Handed

373 Bubble Girl  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:22:56pm

Show me the money!

374 Bubble Girl  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:23:54pm

Aladin Sane #372

I regret now reading this thread from the bottom up, didn't realize quite what you were up too... LOL

375 Bubble Girl  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:25:34pm

Ariana

It just goes to show, it's a bitch working a story, someone comes along and does their edit, and, poof, all your hard work... hatchet job!

376 Studsup  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:26:26pm

#370 Ariana -- "Ok anyone want a laugh at Indymedia's lastest conspiracy >I

f we are being payed off, All I want to know is HEY WHERES MY PAYCHECK? :-d

Indymedia accuses LGF and others of being on the PAYOLA "


Ariana,

You mean you've not been getting your extra ration of gamey buttocks?

377 Geepers  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:26:51pm

Bubble Girl,

Show me the money!

I got as much as your G-string can handle.

"What?"

"No I'm not."

"Hey, ... get yer hands off me!"

378 Loflyer  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:29:32pm

I don’t see France going Dhimmi, at least not at first. The French are so damn egotistical they will never allow such a foreign culture to take over. The French aren’t logical about their enemies, Once the Islamics start taking over the Dutch and British the French will wake up and it will be very messy. France will then run to the US for protection, they know the UN is useless for security.

379 levi from queens  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:32:29pm

mardukhai on the perfidious french at #236. I wouldn't be sure that the French are wrong here. The only evidence is that the LATimes and a notrious LLL politician say so. At the time of sale, Garamendi was empowered to gather and hold all-available information. Its hard to see how the French could have more information (barring some conspiracy with the Millkens who surely correctly believed the bods would rebound.) The unwind of the annuity payments was surely at the order of the CA Insurance department. The French bought the junk bonds in a different entity taking the risk that they would fall further in value and in exchange were entitled to the entire upside.

The CA insurance department has been scandalously mismanaged for over a decade and is a major source of the state's fiscal problems. If they screwed up the reorganization of 1st Exec. Life, it seems late to me to be asserting any unfairness. I'm sure Credit Lyonnais was the high bidder for the bonds.

380 Bubble Girl  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:35:32pm

Geepers @377

SMACK!

381 Bubble Girl  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:36:37pm

You guys are wrong, it's not payola, it's crayola... If I knew how to post in color, I'd show you...

382 Ariana  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:37:12pm

Studsup

Everyone else receive their buttock but me? I am wounded

Bubbles... yes, yes

the story really happens on the editing floors of movie producers and news media lords. I remember a recent article where someone wrote about the editing technique using headliners to place an emphasis missing from the acutual article

383 Ariana  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:42:47pm

The Next Armstrong Williams: Caplis accepted “payola” to attack Ward Churchill
by brubaker Wednesday, Feb. 09, 2005 at 9:58 AM

here's the entire conspiracy post Good for a belly laugh

"An anonymous tipster working with, what was referred to as, a “faith-based think tank”, claims that KHOW/Clear Channel’s Dan Caplis accepted a “gift” from the unnamed group to spread the biased Ward Churchill story in an attempt to “frame the left”, the anti-war movement, and the 9-11 truth movement into “one package”. The person also stated this was a ploy to set-up an “Ideological Enemy” on “American Soil” and to re-invent Ward Churchill as a “sacrificial lamb”.

Details are sketchy.
The claims made by the tipster, if true in whole or in part, would suggest that the neo-conservatives are digging in their heels for another cointelpro-style battle in the homeland. Ward Churchill could be an ideal candidate for the neo-cons because of the fissure created in so many camps such as free speech, 9-11, racism, Native American rights, and the growing anti-Iraq War sentiment. Others have noted that this may be an attempt to push America back toward the right by evoking the emotions of 9-11. With the administrations campaigns to wage wars abroad waning on the world stage, a war at home may be up the neo-cons sleeves to eradicate or minimize their political enemies, which neatly falls into all of the above mentioned issues.
The fervor, credited with originating with Caplis, does follow the pattern of “talking points” that are handed down from producers to talent in both radio and television newsrooms (see “Outfoxed” for reference.)
It is also interesting to note that Ward Churchill has been at the forefront of ousting the governments CoIntelPro (Counter Intelligence Program) and has been critical of the lefts failure to react to repressive government tyranny, making him a very visible and controversial target of many groups.

The tipster also claimed to have tried to break the story elsewhere but is afraid for his/her life.
The FCC is currently investigating another DJ, Armstrong Williams, for accepting $150K to push Bush administration propaganda.
Caplis may have also violated ethics laws as well because both he and his co-host, Craig Silverman, are licensed attorneys.

The IMC has received this information second hand from a supposed corporate newspaper source who is being barred from running the story and has no further information regarding the whistleblowers or if any of the claims can be verifiable."

colorado.indymedia.org/feature/display/10164/index .php
[Link: colorado.indymedia.org...]

384 Aladin Sane  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:43:02pm

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385 Geepers  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:43:22pm

Bubble Girl,

SMACK!

[bragging]

"Yeah so what? I got smacked by one of the hottest LGF chicks there is."

[Next day work]

"Yes, Miss Girl. No, Miss Girl. Yes, I'll get right on that."

386 Bubble Girl  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:45:23pm

Geepers

Owee, my hand still hurts... lol

Next time Buster, it'll be the heel...

387 Bubble Girl  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:46:55pm

384 @ Aladin Sane

Better! Much better...lol The other one we could submit to Arrested Development...lol

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388 Bubble Girl  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:48:25pm

383 @ Ariana

Ariana,

“faith-based think tank”

what in the hell is that?

389 Egfrow  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:50:00pm

Previously the MSM was treating bloggers like a passing fashion trend. With light hearted banter and amusement. Now, they are in fear mode. The rules of the economy that have allowed the MSM to enjoy a monopoly on thier trade have changed and they have not adapted to it by ignoring the signs. Search engines like Google and thier ever growing copycat clones such as ,Yahoo, A9, and MSN have made it much easier to find relavent topic material inside blogspheres. The information economy has changed but the MSM has not. The same holds true for all the media companies.

1. Movie Industries attacking throwing adolecsent programmers in prison for creating software to enable fair use of thier products. Moives being copied at (vcr quality) and spread over the internet.

2. Music Inudustry is attacking it's fans and customer for shaing music with friends and others like bootleg tapes. They are suing children and dead people in desperation instead of adapting.

3. Televsion and Radio are fighting againts streaming audio and video programs because they are loosing demographic advertising control in thier regions. They shold be happy about exposure for thier clients but they are not.

4. Cable TV and Broadcast are fighting Tivo and it's likes to prevent the bybassing of thier advertisin campaigns and scheduled content blocks. Tivo is making thier efforts usless. Espcially when they don't know when you are acutally watching the program you recorded.

5. Now the News Media will be behaving in the same protectionist manners.

390 Ariana  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:51:47pm

Guys

Go check this

lgf Post on another thread and someone tell me if they can duplicate all the lgf posting that way?

391 jhs  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:52:25pm

#360 Studsup

-Interesting how the attempt to move to greater democracy and independence in Lebanon through non-violent political means was received by the Islamists.

Yeah! Who knew?!?! They are SO damned consistant aren't they?
You just can't erase centuries of the general populations obedience to the teachings of muhammed.As for the Palestinian Arabs,they will only coexist with Israel to kill as many of them as possible in the name of their belief.

-This is one more example of why I doubt that the Palestinian Arabs will ever coexist with Israel.

Why every Jew in Israel sees this,and many leaders of nations also see this and still attempt to force a peace with such people hell bent on Israel's destruction,and beside that, their own government leadership continues to make MORE "painful" concessions with such an enemy[WHILE THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED DAILY] is MORE beyond belief then when a muslim says islam is a religion of peace.

-Why isn't the LLL up in arms about the Syrain occupation of Lebanon? Where is the outrage over this event?

short answers:Preferred Ignorance.Self absorption.The brainwashed never wonder.

392 Ariana  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:54:10pm

bubbles,

The new argument is to insinuate that all criticisms emerge from the "rapturlites" their term for the religious right in Congress, Bush and any neo con.

393 Bubble Girl  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:56:05pm

Ariana

Ohhh... okay I get it..

The Rapturites, I don't know, that sounds like a kinky commune or a really bad pop band...

394 Geepers  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 1:59:28pm

Bubble Girl (#388),

“faith-based think tank”
what in the hell is that?

'Round these parts they're mostly called Seminary Schools.

"Though in the Middle East I think they call them Rifle Ranges".

395 Ariana  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 2:03:30pm

Bubbles,
It's based on a misrepresentation of comments by Watts about the Book of Revelations and the Christian teaching about the signs indicating the Last Days and an event called the Rapture. Lots of books on it and lots of diverse viewpoints. The new attention currently has resulted from one of the main predictions, the rebirth of Israel and several other events.

At any rate, certain lll writers are spreading the accusation that Christians want to see the environment destroyed because it would hasten the advent of the Last Days and the coming of Christ..

Therefore, their argument attempts to accuse Christians of deliberatly destroying Nature. It's a sickening and diobolical attempt to demonize a group of Americans.

I keep looking for Nero and his fiddle .. some things never change

396 Aladin Sane  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 2:17:04pm

Sorry Bubbs,

Palpitates
Butt
Using
Hamsters


BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

397 Bubble Girl  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 2:24:03pm

Ariana

Where have I been? And to think it used to be Haliburton...I know some "Rapture" People... I used to know em before they were replaced by the Pod people... But I hadn't heard the New Theory...

398 daughter of patriots  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 2:28:26pm

#115 Earl

The mosque's walls were charred, carpets were burned and religious books, including the Koran, were destroyed. AP

Do you think God is trying to tell these folk something IMPORTANT?

399 daughter of patriots  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 2:39:50pm

OT/ slightly:

Cat Stevens wins libel award from British press

featured on Jihadwatch.

400 rtheyserius  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 3:45:20pm

Let's see...

Door #1: Mohammed(pbuh)

Door #2: Mohammed(dmbfck)

Which will it be?

Contestent #1?

"I choose door number two!"

BZZZTTT!

I'm sorry, our Muslim panel of judges says, CUT OF HIS HANDS!

"AAAIIIGGgg/ggghhhHHH!"

Contestant #2?

401 jwpaine  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:23:25pm

#383 Ariana


Oh, puh-leeeze!

402 biff  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 7:54:08pm

Mohammed, mhrih

403 zombie  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 9:00:16pm

#369 Ariana 

#184 zombie, I think he meant it that way too, I think besides zula, everyone loves you

If by "zula" you mean zulubaby -- as far as I know, we're on the best of terms! I don't think she was pissed at me, just pissed at the comment. zu and I have never once exchanged harsh words, or anything even approaching them.

Ariana, thanks for pointing out that link to the Chronicle of Higher Education posting -- interesting to think that folks are reading my posts so carefully!

I forgot to thank you earlier for pointing out that link.

404 britman  Tue, Feb 15, 2005 10:45:56pm

Praised By Uneducated Heretics

405 GordonMcStraun  Wed, Feb 16, 2005 2:48:56am

FWIW, this story is not entirely true...the following was posted on the NG uk.politics.misc earlier today...

"
On seeing your post I followed the question up by phoning OCR -- 01223 553311 -- and asking them.

Their official response is that the story's rubbish. They've had a lot of calls about it, apparently.

They say that they customarily put an Arabic colophon meaning 'peace be upon him' after Mohammed's name in course materials relating to Islam, just as they refer to 'G-d' in course materials relating to Judaism. They do this out of respect to the sensibilities of Muslim or Jewish students and teachers but they most certainly don't expect candidates to do the same.

I've tried posting this info to 'littlegreenfootballs' but you need to be registered with them so to do and they aren't accepting registrations at the moment. If anyone is registered with them I'm sure they'd welcome the correction.
"

406 Spalding Fatty  Wed, Feb 16, 2005 3:00:02am

"I'm sure they'd welcome the correction"

An unsubstantiated assumption.

Ostensibly the correction to which you refer appears atthe head of ths thread. yet apparently here the outrage continues independently of the facts.

407 GordonMcStraun  Wed, Feb 16, 2005 4:12:34am

#406 Yeah, I noticed the alteration to the thread title just after I posted the correction. Doh!

Still, everyone likes a good rant.

408 zulubaby  Wed, Feb 16, 2005 6:54:32am

Ooh, just in case there's any confusion, I adore zombie! I don't want there to be any doubt about that.

409 Ariana  Wed, Feb 16, 2005 8:29:56am

Zombie and Zulubaby,
Hi, I just caught up with this thread.

That's what I deserve for leaving out the punctuation. Leave out the commas and leave out the meaning

I meant to communicate that I agree with zombie's remark about Mike. I think he was using well known names just for an example. Also, that neither Mike or anyone at LGF would intentionally attempt to attack Zulubaby, since everyonel loves zulubaby. She's considered a "sweetheart" by one and all

Thanks Zombie, I found that very interesting too. I think the comments section is being examined by a larger audience. Guess that means I shouldn't "kick the door" to vent anymore.

Btw. would you explain the mirror site? I don't understand how it can exist

410 GoatGuy  Wed, Feb 16, 2005 10:58:54am

UPDATE!
UPDATE!
UPDATE!
UPDATE!
UPDATE!

I received a reply to the email! Here it be:

Dear Mr Goat,

My colleague has provided a new response to this issue, as follows.

Thank you for your query about whether students taking the Religious Studies syllabus need to be putting 'peace be upon him' after the name of Muhammad. The information found on a non-OCR site is not correct. OCR itself shows respect for all religions. In the Islamic section of the Religious Studies syllabus, that respect is demonstrated by the use of the Arabic colophon which indicates 'peace be upon him' after the name of Mohammad. We do not expect students to do this.

Regards,
Customer Service Advisor
e-mail: helpdesk@ocr.org.uk

Well How about that. A nice generi-response. I've sent back another missive in greatest respect (how else to gird them to reply?) As follows:

Dear Mr. Hilliard,

I am truly quite pleased to have been sent your response. Parenthetically, I also received your interim response yesterday -- again thank you.

Unfortunately for both of us, the colleague's reply is a generalized answer to what must have been quite a sudden flux of electronic mail messages on this matter.

Without giving umbrage, note that it addresses use of a colophon in the context of giving 'due respect within the guidelines of OCR policy'. It does not address whether giving such 'respect' is rhetorically disingenuous: Few Hindus would refer to Lord Krishna (in Hindi) as simply Krishna, and few Nepalese Buddhists would refer to The Serene Buddha (natively) as Buddha.

In the context of a comparative religious studies section, is there anything at all disrepectful in using the religious leaders' names without habitual embellishment? I certainly see none such, for you and I good man could talk endlessly about Krishna, Buddha, Mohammed, Jesus, God, Dionessus, Sypiphone, Johah, Micah, Nahum, Habbakuk, and so on without ever needing to add a single colophon, sobriquet, floret or ecumenical nose-gay.

And there you have it. A satisfactory reply to that -- becomes a satisfying and sound stance for the Oxford Cambridge RSA Examinations office to hold. The impartial answer given is just a bit thick on the sauce, thin on the meat.

Respectfully and attentitively yours,

The Goat


GoatGuy

411 Baldy  Thu, Feb 17, 2005 4:31:42am

This is nuts.


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