Yo Joe! er...sorry. First!

(this book is not permitted to go home)

Gee, I wonder why?

9/11 - the best thing to happen to islam in a looong time.

This is part of the war. That indoctrination will paralize with doubt those who receive it. It must be stopped.

Whoo-haa! Let's JUMP on this one!

Not any of my kids would be put through that. It's time the masses faced the system and made it straighten up. Islam my ass we cant teach religion period and to make an exception for Islam. NO FVCKING way

Ok, riddle me this: How is this not violating the separation of church and state?

They can't have a Nativity scene... they can't have Christmas programs or sing Christmas carols... they can't display a menorah... but they can teach Islam?

What kind of f**king double standard is this?

the question(s) are;
A) Why is this book now allowed to come home?
B) When is the section of Christianity and the report on Jesus?
C) When are the Jewish speakers?
D) All Of The Above

Good G*d, how deep is the rabbit hole?

Can you just imagine if we brought in some good ole boys to talk about the virtues of Jesus and teach the kids about his life as based on the wisdom of Houghton-Mifflin?

Those people who whine about separation of church and state probably don't get the problem with this.

Good grief Charlie Brown - members of the RoP have made it to Arizona?

Holy Dhimmitude, Batman

Where is the ACLU on this?

Oh, that's right, the ACLU doesn't hate religion. They just hate Christianity.

#7 Steffan

What kind of f**king double standard is this?

It's called 'dhimmitude.'

And we can't even say " One Nation under God" but a pedophile like Mohammed is to be shown to us as a PROPHET.

#3 Thom, not. No equation there. More like thesewere the best thing to happen to islam's students.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Wow! Can the Thomas More legal people help here?

#7 Steffan

I thought the same thing...they brought in prayer rugs and taught the children how to pray? How is THAT not in violation of separation of church and state?

E-mail Rush, O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, et al. with the link to this story. We need to shine the light of public exposure on this clear violation of the First Amendment.

shouldn't the ACLU have a fit over this ?

oh wait, it's only christians they can't stand

Why to parents put up with this crap?

Where is the ACLU on this one. Oh yeah, I forgot, it's the Anti Christian Legal Union.

I'd be filing a lawsuit so fast, it would make Mustafa's beard catch on fire... Home schooling is not an answer. This shit has to be stopped.

#7 I'm for real separation of church and state, the people who usually complain about it, are fundamentally anti-American, and that's why they allow Islam to be white-washed in this fashion.

recitations from the Koran

What was recited? The thing that makes you muslim? This is very scary.

e=mailing now...

(this book is not permitted to go home).

That's the first thing that jumped out at me. When the educrats try to hide what they're doing, you know they're up to no good.

Someone needs to form an organization specifically dedicated to opposing Islamic indoctrination at all levels of American academia--from primary on up.

Pickle ~ Daniel Pipes does this to a large degree

Answer from the supposed opponents to teaching about *cough* christianity *cough* religion?

*crickets*

Anyone?

*Crickets* *dog barking*

Gee, sounds like my backyard in the summer. *sigh*

Freaking double standard. Oh I forgot, thats standard operating procedure...silly me.

Okay I am done with the sarcasm...for now.

I'd like some confirmation on this report. Oh, I can believe it, all right but I'd like some proof to show others.

I've noticed a pro-Islamic attitude in the press and in Hollywood. My wife tells me 3 cop shows, last week, had the "Russian mob" as the evil doers. Never does she see a Muslim as anything but a falsely accused party.

Why do Muslims get the benefit of the doubt? I’ve asked that before:
[Link: libertyandculture.blogspot.com...]

Imagine having Daniel Pipes, Robert Spencer, Serge Trifkovic, or Ibn Warraq lecture on Islam in the public schools. You can just hear the outcry about it being one-sided (i.e. the truth).

Never have we fought a war while praising the enemy’s ideology.

"Michael H. Hart's top 100 list of the most influential people in the history of the world was presented to teach that Muhammad was #1, Sir Isaac Newton was #2 and Jesus was #3"

Whoa -- Jesus actualy beat out Lenin, Stalin, and Marx!

/"the tag"

As a parent of 2 six year olds who will be middle-school age before I know it, I would never let this shit fly! I would make enough noise that the curriculum would be changed, even if it's for my kids only! When are the vouchers coming?

#23 CrimsonFisted, very. Someone could easily have their kids come home declaring allah is the only god and Mohammed is his only messenger. Start paying the dhimmi tax mom and dad or else.

I wish they would let me find the passages to recite along with some comparative theology.

From this review of this textbook's whitewashing of Islam.

According to the History Alive! The Medieval World and Beyond front matter, the chief author-advisor on Islam is Ayad Al-Qazzaz, professor of sociology at California State University, Sacramento. Al Quazzaz is a Muslim apologist, a frequent speaker in Northern California school districts promoting Islam and Arab causes.

. . .

History Alive! The Medieval World and Beyond's lessons titled "Jihad" and "Shari'ah: Islamic Law" are extracted below. They come from the student edition, copyright 2005, pages 101 through 103. They should put speculation to rest about what California's seventh-grade students may learn about Islam. At the very least, the passages are incomplete. More precisely, they are dishonest. Neither passage explains the essentially religious nature of the subject. It ignores any challenge to international security and western-style law. The treatment is lyrical and loaded, echoing and copying the language of domestic Islamist tracts . . .

First-class dhimmitude.

They're getting around the separation of church and state by teaching as history. next thing you know, there will be terrorist training camps in our public schools. talk about some DUMB ASS school authorities.

Wow! And all hell breaks loose if someone tries to put up a creche or menorah in a public school.
Slightly off topic, it's interesting that the islamo propaganda mentions Christian anti-semitism. While it's past existence can't be denied, modern Christian leaders have gone to great lenghts to eradicate this sentiment among their adherents. However. many people attribute the current wave of anti-semitism and anti-Israel/pro-Pali sentiment in Europe as being nothing more than "classic" anti-semitism. Any thoughts?

Just emailed O'Reilly.

However, Across the Centuries has been shelved and the school is piloting a brand new book from Teacher’s Curriculum Institute, aka TCI, titled History Alive! The Medieval World and Beyond (this book is not permitted to go home).

Now, I only went to public school until the 5th grade... but it is my understanding that school books are SUPPOSED to go home so that you can do... home work. or study. at home.

logically, either the school does not want to lose books, or they do not want families to see the content of these books.

IF they do not want to loose this book, THEN they would deal with it as any book, charging a fee for loss.

IF they do not want families to see the content of this book, THEN parents should give a choice to the schools: "I see the book, or my kid leaves your school"

if it were my kid (assuming I had a kid... which I dont... :: sniff sniff :: ) I would not let a school use ANY book that I cannot have brought at home. I don't care if it is a book my Martin Luther, CS Lewis, or even Billy Graham.

My Kid, My Rules.

The challenge is apparent... Arizona Lizardoids (especially those with kids on public schools), what are you going to do about it? The truth you know may set you free, but only if you act on that truth and make fighting back a habit.

Why does the writer say that complaints are an uphill battle? Becauses the local chapters of the enemy's camp (that's the Islamic "you will be absorbed" collective...) scream "Intolerance!" when your schoolboard considers correcting this problem. This may be an unconventional world war against radical Islam, but the conventional tactic of "overwhelming show of force" can win these types of battles, one city and state at a time.

Go man, go. There's an army of right-thinkers ready to back y'all up!

#35 xlibseezlight

I am a Jew and I see Christians supporting Israel and Jewish ideals far more often that I see Jews doing it.
We are at war with Islam. Jews and Christians worship the same G-d, have the same core values (torah/old testament).
We should be together on this.
I am a huge supporter of Christianity.

Okay, this is jsut way over the line. A book that can not be brought home? How is little infidel Jimmy and Judy supposed to handle their homework if the book can not be brought home?

Having people come in and perform Islamic prayers. Unless the kids know Arabic, especially the phrase that converts an infidel to a good Moslem; the mind boggles at the trap. Since to renounce Islam means to be executed. And 7th Grade is about the time when a child is supposed to accept his/her faith in a formal fashion, like reading from the Qu'ran/Koran.

This is a gross violation of that chimera the socialists love to use against Christianity, the vaunted 'separation of church and state.'

Time for another Rathergate/Churchill blogstorm. To paraphrase Prokofiev, "Arise ye people!'

We are giving up ground in the war of ideas: our children.

I was looking at the website

[Link: www.historyalive.com...]

Browsed through the materials offered and became less concerned. This is five sections from a book that I believe contained 35. Each section highlighting a certain area of the world during the middle ages.

This included all continents. By the time the little 7th grade kiddies get through with this class, Islam will be just another piece of unimportant information going thru their little heads.

I would suggest however, a full frontal assault just to be sure.

#19 MoonbatBane

E-mail Rush, O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, et al. with the link to this story. We need to shine the light of public exposure on this clear violation of the First Amendment.

I wish I could believe that Rush or O'Reilly would touch this story... but I don't think they would.

Mike Gallagher (spelling?) would take this story. so would Dennis Prager.

Dennis would REALLY like the story... He's big on issues with education.

Maybe Mike Regan?

Whoa, can you imagine the uproar if there was a request to teach about Jesus Christ and Christianity?

The school board is to be held responsible. Do it now, do it loudly, and make it VERY public.

Someone needs to shine a little light on the committee
responsible for choosing this text. And whoever decided to keep this from PARENTS needs to be identified, and give an explanation.

Table of contents of book in question is here:

[Link: www.historyalive.com...]

ichael H. Hart’s top 100 list of the most influential people in the history of the world was presented to teach that Muhammad was #1, Sir Isaac Newton was #2 and Jesus was #3.

You know that list is a complete crock, as there is no mention of Charles in that list.

#47 Innismir , yep, that is proof positive:-)

#39 Babba Zee
I agree completely when speaking about this wonderful country, but am perplexed about EUROPEAN anti-semitism.

#35 xlibseezlight

Also - it is not Christian europe that is dhimmified - it is socialist/secular/left wing Euros.
Christianity has been in decline in Europe for over 100 years.

#46 Max Darkside

Interesting that Islam gets 5 chapters... but no ther relgion is noted... they don't go into detail of the Japanese religion, but they talk about Japan..

And they don't talk about christianity, just the affect it has on the European areas. I'd be a touch critical about the 'unbiasedness' of what they DO say.

school choice school choice school choice school choice

Wait till you hear a 7th grade teacher explain that the next big debate in schools is whether it's necessary to teach handwriting anymore because everything is going to be done on computers. If that doesn't make your head spin...

There is a maliciousness in schools now that willfully pushes these things. Didn't Newsweek (sympathetically for the NEA) have a recent issue about What teachers hate most about parents?

What did Michael Crichton call the new Media/Liberal complex?

Hate. Parents. Religious instruction. Illiteracy.
It's so weird. It's quite a jump from condoms on bananas class to prayer rugs. That they are messing with the next generation's minds is putting it mildly.

#50 BabbaZee

I'd go so far as to say that they never fully recovered from the "Great Reformation"

Of course, I was raised Lutheran, so I might be a touch biased ;-)

Babbazee

I myself, love the jewish peoples. Being a christian, I could do nothing but understand the prinicpals behind your religion.

I also like Kosher hot dogs. Coached a girls basketball team two years ago (my daughters) that had Hebrews, Chaldean Iraq's and a bunch of Gentiles on the team.

Quite the interesting mix. We all had a great time. Nobody died, except us. We won one game.

#49 xlibseezlight

Back in the way back machine there was a CHristian component to anti-semitism - it was preached from the pulpit in some places then as it is preached in the Mosques today.
Those days are long gone - White supremacist Christians are a tiny minority.
So our eastern european and russian immigrant ancestors were much in fear of the Euro-Christians due to that history, which is part of the reason people got freaked about the passion, as it is an exact replica of the medival passion plays which were then used to incite violence agaisnt Jews.
However those days are (mostly) over and the majority of Christians that I have ever met are not overtly or intentionally anti-semetic, many are outright zionists.

AND...just heard that the US itself is pushing..encouraging...FUNDING...the learning of Arabic...at the same time Hebrew is to take a second position to the learning of Arabic. Change in STATUS. Not announced but under the radar.

Add to that a Statement about 2 years ago at a State Dept Briefing..that Israel IS and ISNT Americas Ally. Change in Status again..and again under the radar. No one reported on it..and no one objected...really.

Add to that..that the US IS Establishing a Full Legal ARMED Palistinian State. All of a sudden American Stated Policy REVERSED without any discussion...and despite 30 years of assurances to American People and Jews.

Are we getting the gist of this by now? Getting a CLUE to whats going on? to the direction of the future Policy of the US? Hmmm? Like..we GET IT already. How bout YOU?

Is this the direction YOU want American to go? Guess so...no one is stopping this.

#52 wanumba

There is a maliciousness in schools now that willfully pushes these things. Didn't Newsweek (sympathetically for the NEA) have a recent issue about What teachers hate most about parents?

I thought I saw that. I thought it was a joke or something... I guess they hate the whole idea that the parents should have a role in the education of the child?

#54 scoreboard44
Glad there were no fatalities! LOL!

unreal... it is truly mindboggling how orwellian the public schools now are.

#53 lancekates
;-)

35 xlibseezlight

Re: any thoughts about the antisemitism identified as coming from the Christian sects . . .

Yup. It's the old divide and conquer strategy. The hateful ideology of Islam is a well worn war machine.

The History Alive series is apparently very popular for both public and homeschooling. Googling it will turn up plenty of hits.

I've never seen this book or any of the series. If this one or others are a problem, you might want to look at the curriculum for your local school because it wouldn't be surprising if they use some or all of this series.

and the most ironic part is that the usefull idiots for the ropers would be the first ones terminated if the ropers were to gain complete and total power

My 13 year old daughter knows all about the ROP and will not sit still for one moment of this at her school. We would know right away if this crap went on in our school district.

My wife and I read this on another thread yesterday and are
seriously considering home schooling.

Babbazee

We kept are chins up as much as possible...

It helped us actually look taller on the court. The two little Iraqi girls were absolute dolls and just did whatever they were told.

It was good year. I...just might break into song.

#64 Americain

Do it - you won't regret it.

#42-

The problem with this book is that it isn't just teaching about Islamic contributions to humanity, it's teaching them about Islam. I didn't see the book offering up lesson plans about Taoist contributions, or even about Taoism. And where's the section about Hindus? It's called a slippery slope...

#65 scoreboard44
It was a ver-ree good yeeeaaahhh...

It's not a violation of the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment, obviously, because Islam is not a religion. It is a death cult.

Or, maybe it is a race, because if you criticise Islam you are labeled a "racist".

Or, maybe it is a political movement, one that is the embodiment of of the ultimate liberal ideal: devoid of morality, anti-christian/anti-jew, anti-western, totalitarian government, complete control over people's lives.

But, please, don't think about it as a religion.

Well, the Wahhabization of US Islamic Schools is well underway and this is a good place to mention this. A fellow by the name of Kamal Nawash of "Free Muslims Against Terrorism" was on FOX earlier today talking about the case of the guy caught who was trained in the school in Northern Virginia. This fellow went to the same school with him and says that in at least 50% of more of Islamic schools and mosques there is anti-US sentiment being preached. He didn't really want to be pinned down but admitted that at least 50% would be anti-US in sentiment.

#61 saywhat?

Yeah, I agree... lets not forget that Christians' main focus (Jesus) was a jew.

Now, granted, there were (and maybe are) some people in the christian church (small c) that still hate jews because of whatever reason they think the bible says... but that doesn't make it a christian movement because the bible does NOT teach 'hey... see those jews? lets hate them!"

even thinking of "white supremists" as the 'chrsitian jew haters' is a stretch... a Christian would not hate a Jew. end of story. don't care who says what where or when.

Remember who the first christians were. Jews.

#72 lancekates
Remember who the first christians were. Jews.

Exactly.

Babbazee

"Thunk!" "Thunk" "Thunk!" Right on target.

God...I "sniff" miss Frank.

#71 Ploome

by the way, muslims belive that once someone has been told about islam and then does not convert to islam, they are DELIBERATELY DENYING THE TRUTH, and are considered an enemy of islam

I own a Qu'ran... and I"ve read it cover to cover. I still know that its wrong. Let them come kill me.

#7 Steffan

Forget the legal standard "wall of separation between church and state" coined by Jefferson in 1803 when the Danbury Baptists wanted a national day of fasting.

This is, I say again, clear-cut, no-doubt-about-it, establishment of religion per the First Amendment. Any court which permits a public school to lead children in Muslim prayer and grade them on the results is a shari'a court, or dhimmis extrodinaire. The case law is crystal clear on this issue.

The First Amendment has two parts. One is the free exercise clause (one's chosen religion). The second is the no establishment of religion clause. Leading children in prayer while attending class is the textbook, hornbook, case law, perfect example of establishment of religion.

The horrible dangers associated with this practice are all too obvious. In Islam, apostasy is punishible by death. This penalty can be enforced by any Muslim. No fatwa is necessary, as we've seen so many times before. Not that it's difficult to get a fatwa for murder. I think they are pre-printed with blanks for the name to save time.

Just be sure not to teach, or even show the 10 Commandments.

/Moonbat off

Seriously, anybody with children, or grandchildren in school needs to pay close attention to what these youngsters are being taught at school. Visit, look at the text books, ask questions of the teachers about their assignments and make sure they know you are watching. If I had a student in this class, I would demand to see the text book and to be present in class while it is being used. Some years ago we found out that our child was being taught some nasty heavy metal music in 2nd grade music class but the moonbat teacher refused to teach the national anthem. We got our child out of that class pronto.

#74 scoreboard44
Me too! There is nothing more hilarious than William Shatner's version of "when I was 17" though...I nearly died when I heard it.

#66 BabbaZee

If my wife can keep her sanity with 3, we will.

We put up with this in Northern Virginia (Herndon) not too long ago (Charles ran a thread on it). Kids from the Islamic Academy were going to go around and teach the kids in public schools about Ramadan. I must have written 5 letters to various authorities and never got an answer to any of them.

Is Thom still on the thread? He has a friend in Richmond he was going to ask about this.

#56 Vickie

Some of the funding for Arabic and other Middle Eastern languages stems from our huge deficit of interpreters and translators. As we found out after 9/11, we were way behind the curve on that one.

#56 Vickie:

To learn Arabic now is to give us an 'ear' on the enemy--or people who can read what they are saying. Without that we can only rely on word-of-mouth intelligence which is often filtered through the messenger's biases. Obviously a whole nation of Hebrews (even if they were trying to bomb the US) would still not equal the number of Arabic-speaking terrorists. And of course, Isreal is not the threat--Islam and especially Arabic-speaking Islamists are!

PIMP! Israel - not Isreal. Sorry!

#79 Americain
She can do it ! Good luck!

#75 lancekates

I own a Qu'ran...

And you haven't burned it yet? ;^)

As I asked on Rantburg, what other books are they providing they won't allow the students to bring home?

Time to run for the school board if you're in that area.

#72 lancekates

Remember who the first christians were. Jews.

[can of worms]
If it weren't for the Apostle Paul, and the revision of all the gospels to appeal to the Romans, this would be crystal clear to everyone.
[/can of worms]

When they come to:

Qur’an 4:157 “‘We [Jews] killed the Messiah, Jesus,’ but they killed him not, nor crucified him. It appeared so to them (as the resemblance of Jesus was put over another man and they killed that man). Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself. Those who differ with this version are full of doubts. They have no knowledge and follow nothing but conjecture. For surely they killed him not.”
Qur’an 4:171 “O People of the Book! Do not exaggerate in your religion; nor speak lies of Allah. The Messiah, Christ Jesus, the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not ‘Trinity.’ Cease and Desist: (it is) better for you: for Allah is one Ilah (God). (Far it is removed from him of) having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. The Messiah is proud to be a slave of Allah, as are the angels, those nearest. Those who disdain His worship and are arrogant. He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer)…. He will punish with a painful doom; Nor will they find, besides Allah, any to protect or save them.”

Qur’an 4:47 “O you People of the Book to whom the Scripture has been given, believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming and verifying what was possessed by you, before We destroy your faces beyond all recognition, turning you on your backs, and curse you as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be executed.”

Bukhari:V4B55N657 “Allah’s Messenger said, ‘Isa (Jesus), the son of Mariam, will shortly descend amongst you Muslims and will judge mankind by the law of the Qur’an. He will break the cross and kill the swine [Jews] and there will be no Jizyah tax taken from non-Muslims. Money will be so abundant no one will accept it. So you may recite this Holy Verse: “Isa (Jesus) was just a human being before his death. On the Day of Resurrection he (Jesus) will be a witness against the Christians.”’”

How will the public school teachers answer questions about who are these 'People of the Book' or swine? Answer: we can't speak about that because the Anti Christian Legal Union ACLU will get me fired?

This sounds like a lawsuit is in order. Any bets the ACLU will jump in?

Americain - lanceskates

No need to own one anymore, Thank G-d.

[Link: www.sacred-texts.com...]

I actually burned mine on 9/11. Made me feel damn good, too. Didn't want it in the house.

#86 Americain

no.. crazy thing... wouldn't burn. then there were haunting evil voices..

kidding..

I have a belief that to better one's opponent, one must understand the opponent. In my realm of influence (religion) that means that I have to learn their religions.

So I study Islam, Taoism, Agnostic thought, Atheism, etc.

I USED to even have the Book of Satan... but that disappeared. I think my mother (afraid that I was in a cult) threw it away before I left college. pity. that was a fun one. Granted, most who would call themselves 'satanists' wouldn't really follow it... but it still had decently listed pillars.

All: I'm just interested in how Montgomery County School system is handling Jewish Hi Holidays and other Jewish Holidays. When I went to schools in DC... if you took off for two days of Rosh Hashonna and One Day of Yom Kippor...you were just ABSENT. (its on MY PERMANENT RECORD) Of course there were NO days off...you didn't dare stay home the day of Pasach.

Later when I was teaching..they finally relented and they allowed Jews an excused absence for ONE DAY of Rosh Hashonna. (RS is a TWO DAY Holiday)..and the ONE day of Yom Kippor. (wasn't that ever so nice of them...shouldnt we be ever so grateful that was ALLOWED?)

Pesach time, where Jewish Children should be HOME helping the family prepare for this wonderful holiday..NO change..NO excused absence.

IF anyone has children in Public Schools in Mont. County or DC...tell me what the policy is NOW. Id be interested. I just cant figure out how to CALL up MCPS and ask them that question.

See if I can find their "Calander"...but if you know...please inform me.

Oh...I dont remember Jewish Children being allowed SEPARATE periods of the day to pray...in full Orthodox Dress...No excusing for washing hands before eating and saying the prayers before eating..Like in the Graham Cracker and Milk break..at around 10:30 and before LUNCH. The entire school didn't come to a screeching STOP while Jewish children did their "thing". WHAT a DIFF.

#88 Beagle

f it weren't for the Apostle Paul, and the revision of all the gospels to appeal to the Romans, this would be crystal clear to everyone.

Perhaps. but I"m thankful for Paul ;-)

Of course, the church in rome was not started by paul OR Peter... now THAT'S a can of worms

This really is the story of late...the brainwashing of children...children who grow up to believe that killing is a proper first-order of action...picture it manifesting from wherever it comes from...and through whatever name you wish to call it...the teachings that allow killing as a useful tool, that teaches elevation is preceded by dimminishing. No, that's not all of some, just a part of all. I say its up to each to handle themselves, and if not society will talk to you...not the other way around.

that's just me

#86 You do know that muslims believe that the koran won't burn? Someone should try it.

From the Fatwa Bank of IslamOnline.net, given by Sheikh Muhammad Saleh Al-Munajjid on 29 Aug. 2002, "Who are the Jews and Christians to be Rewarded by Allah?"

Basically, only the Jews who were faithful to the Mosaic Law prior to the coming of Muhammad, and those who converted to Islam are in Paradise. Same for the Christians--only those who follow the teachings of Islam through conversion are able to be rewarded. "The Qura'nic verse [from Al 'Imran:85] is a clear-cut statement that Allah will not accept any way or deed from anyone, after sending His Final Messendger, except those that are in accordance with the laws of Muhhammad..."

The majority of Middle Eastern Muslims believe exactly this. And this is what is coming to Arizona and every other state where there is a sizeable Muslim population. The problem is not bin Laden. The problem is traditional Islamic theology. Islam is a real threat to the lives of all who disagree with its teachings.

#92 lancekates

My mother, who was raised as a catholic but is descended from Jews, was a satanist. No I am not kidding. I read ALL of that crap as a kid just to stay one step ahead of her, and I still hae alot of it in my library for reference.
I have gotten a hell of an education just trying to protect myself from lunatics, starting with her!

Not much off topic :

Iranian Regime Arrests Several Members of Pasdaran Corps.

Several members of the Pasdaran Corps Revolutionary Guards, have been arrested by the Islamic regime on charges of forgery of official documents and unofficially for not supporting the regime.

In reality, arrests are taking place at this time because the armed wing of the regime has been touched by a wave of popular discontent and many of its? members have fallen silent or open critics of the regime they are supposed to protect.

Two years ago, General Dozdoozani and several of his officers were executed when they openly opposed the Islamic regime by issuing an open letter entitled "We the Combatants." In this letter, these icons of the Pasdaran Corps were declaring that they were ashamed to wear their uniforms, which has become a symbol of oppression and corruption.

In addition, several hidden opposition cells have recently been dismantled within the Pasdaran Corps. Within the last year, leaders of the Islamic regime fearing, apparently, a putsch attempt or an active role of some units alongside the people in the event of a general uprising.

Here in the "Great Pacific Northwest" (it is picturesque, but little else could be described as "great") the Democratic mayor of Portland, Oregon, the extremist Vera Katz, employed at least one of the Portland 7 (domestic Muslim American terrorists) on her personal staff for many years and promoted him a couple times. There can be no doubt that these budding Muslim terrorists got an earful of anti-American propaganda from Katz herself ("Your people are persecuted by an imperialistic American foreign policy!"..."Muslims are victims of genocidal racism!").

Hard as it is to believe, the schools here, particularly at the university level, are even worse. One endless loop of scathing propaganda demonizing America. Ideological diversity/dissent is not tolerated.

Note to parents: If you are blissfully ignorant of how your children are being indoctrinated & brainwashed, you should start home-schooling...NOW.

#72 lancekates, Jesus is more the the main focus of islam than people realize. Just from a 'different perspective';-)

#96 Carolyn

Mine went up in flames just fine on 9/11.

These sorts of books and teaching curriculum are often foisted onto the school district through the use of the Delphi Process. Originally developed by the Rand Corporation in the 1960's to determine a group's priorities it is now a means by which Leftist and Multi-Cultural groups use the Hegelian Dialectic to insert their doctrine into the school district without the knowledge of a majority of the parents in the district.

As originally envisioned the Delphi Process was a great way to find group consensus. However, it relies on the moderators to be fair and honest. When the moderators and facilitators are, in fact, the employees/volunteer of a special interest group it is highly susceptible to the use of the Hegelian Dialectic.

This is what is happening in Tulsa, Oklahoma with the Tulsa Talks! program. Instead of the consensus building techniques used by legitimate companies this program is being sponsored by Study Circles Resource Center, Facing the Future: How should we move forward after 9-11? program. The Tolerance.org Responding to Hate at School program and the Interfaith Alliance’s Meetup program.

Typically what happens is that a local branch of one of these organizations will approach the District with an offer to help facilitate a series of meetings and discussions designed to deal with the concerns of the District such as Hate Crimes, Racial Prejudice, and Religious Tolerance. However, instead of developing programs which promote tolerance they become active proponents of the issue in question. In the case of Tulsa it was the Tulsa Interfaith Alliance which began the process. The fear that they played on was the growth of other religions in a predominantly Evangelical Christian town.

Instead of finding a means to encourage tolerance the goal is to actively promote Islam!

All of these organizations are either Useful Idiots or willing accomplices of the Radical Islamic Fundamentalists. The Interfaith Alliance’s stated goal is separate Church and State to the greatest degree possible. Yet more often than not we see the result to be the introduction of books such as in the Scottsdale District or even Audra Shabazz’z outright Islamic proselytizing program. Wherein children actually say the words that adherents of Islam believe makes you a convert! And we all know what the punishment for a Muslim who is apostate is.

The NEA's love of multi-culturalism makes them the perfect dupes. Like all such misguided liberals they think that they are promoting peace while what they are really doing is unlocking the Sally Port so the barbarians can enter the castle.

#33 Ben F

Wow, that report was written at Columbia. Why haven't these right-wing nuts been rooted out, and kicked out of Columbia?

/heavy sarcasm

for your review

History Alive! The Medieval World and Beyond table of contents

Two words: Home school!

This makes me absolutely sick. What are these people thinking? Who is making these bonehead decisions? They need to be strung up and held accountable!

And when I tell people I'm sending the kids to private school, they agree with some kind of statement like, "Yes, some of the rough kids they have in public school...sigh." As if I'm sending them because of bullies. Good gravy.

Had some discussions with my local school this summer. A whole group of 'em in a room. The two most striking things they had to say were:
1) having a child feel good about themselves is much more important than being challenged, and
2) how it makes us laugh when parents always think *they* know what is best for their children, when *we* really do.

Almost in those exact words.

This is not new. I've mentioned it before, but it deserves repeating: I experienced the same thing as a sophomore in high school back in 1990. Our world history class discussed three things (that I can recall): the French Revolution, Islam, and the Holocaust. We had a field trip to an "Islamic Center" (read: mosque). We had to memorize the five pillars. We learned about the evil Christian crusaders. We did not discuss any Jewish traditions in our conversation about the Holocaust, however.

So move along. Nothing to see. And the low voice continues to pulse subliminally from the loudspeakers, "Sleep. Sleep. Sleep."

#81 Sarah D.

re: "we were way behind the curve on" Arabic translators.

Only partially agree . . .the govt. has ample opportunity to hire Israeli's who are multi-lingual (fluent in Arabic) but do not for PC reasons. I wish I could find the link . . .was posted sometime during the election.

#98 BubbaZee

Then you understand where I"m coming from with my studies. :-)

#101 Roger

Yeah they do, but without the Diety of Christ, he's just a lunatic. or an outright liar.

Islam calls him a prophet, so surly he isn't lying... so therefore they think he's a lunatic... which fits the Islam precident

#98 BabbaZee, Wow! Amazing! What may I asked put such a strong spirit for truth in you? There must have been many angels watching over you.

Arabic FIRST: Yeah..I get the reason for that..Translating and all that...Lots of Arab Countries we have to do BUSINESS with..

BUT...put it together with the REST of what I wrote. Theres a definate DIRECTION to where US Policy in the ME is going.

It aint going where most Americans WANT it to.

#3 Thom
9/11 - the best thing to happen to islam in a looong time.

as insane as this statement may seen at first, thom is actually right. this actually increased intrest in islam among the nutjobs all around the world. but can you imagine if a jewish or christian group committed this act? we would NEVER hear the end of it from the MSM and LLL maniacs.

Yes, Muhammad, the excrement-eater who raped little 6 year old girls, was the greatest human who ever lived. Numero Uno.

He is adjudged so by today's academics because he personified the deepest desires of The Left.

Irrationality...check. Murder...check. Genocide...check. Anti-Christian...check. Pedophile...check.

#110 lancekates, but that's not what they claim. They claim that Jesus is a slave of allah and will be against Christians when he returns. See Qur’an 4:171 posted in #89. This is more significant than Jesus just being another lunatic.

As part of the separation of church and state debate, perhaps there is opportunity here to argue that only by acknowledging that islam is not a religion would such a textbook be ok.

I only say this as a point of argument, not in any way meant to support the use of textbooks/lesson plans with such content.

There is opportunity to forcefully, and publically present the view that islam is actually a fascist system of control, a position supported by both islamic texts and history, up to and including recent history.

Once that argument is won, and given the experience of WW2, use of the textbook cannot be allowed. Both islam and nazis are to be treated with the same contempt in the classroom.

There is opportunity here that forces coverage in the LameStreamMedia.

#72 lancekates

Last summer, I alternated between reading the koran and the
Holy Bible and boy, what a difference!

Babbazee, I wish I had seen that. Fire is appropriate for Satan's book.

#113 helloworld, I still disagree. See #16. There is no equation there.

I have no objection to learning about the contributions Islam (or Islamic cultures, anyway) has made to the world. Spain was heavily influenced by the Moorish conquest, especially in words added to the Spanish language, and its gorgeous architecture.

But if we don't balance that with "Some Muslims today, like some Christians in the past, are taught that they must kill anyone who doesn't believe the way they do - and every time you hear about a bombing somewhere in the world, it's likely it was caused by a Muslim who believes killing is the way to make God happy" then we do our children a disservice.

I homeschool. I used to have some (Suffi) Muslim neighbors, whose daughter was my daughter's best friend. It was very hard, after 9/11, to explain that some Muslims had just killed thousands of American people, but our neighbors were not bad people. The whole Sunni vs Suffi vs Wahabi thing is a little too complex for a 5 year old.

I have read elsewhere - because this whole History Alive! thing has come up before now, I'm sure I read it months ago - that in other chapters of the book, they covered other religions for a similar length of time, and that it was only one teacher, not the whole school district, who did some of the crap with prayer rugs etc. I'm sure he thought it was 'enrichment'. Does that excuse the whitewash? Not to me. But it might make the reality a little less extreme than our assumptions and fears.

#85 ploome hineni

Deadly serious . . .indeed!

*A spokesman for CAIR, Ibrahim Hooper, said the donation from Prince Alwaleed will likely be used for his organization's Library Project, a venture the group's Web site says is to "put quality materials about Islam in all 17,000 public libraries in the United States."*

For $150, CAIR will send a package of 18 books and tapes about Islam to a library. The package includes such books as "Servants of Allah"; "Silent No More: Confronting America's False Images of Islam," and "Reel Bad Arabs: How Hollywood Vilifies a People."

CAIR's site says, "Balanced and accurate materials are not always available or affordable," and it asks potential donors to "help educate your fellow Americans about Islam as a religion of peace and justice that has a rich civilization and culture."

Mr. Hooper said his organization is "hoping to hit every single library in the next year." The group claims to have received 1,518 sponsorships to date.

A spokesman for the New York City Public Library, Herb Scher, said he was unaware of books being sent to the city's libraries from CAIR. "Our procedure for getting things is pretty systematic, and there's a procedure for how books are selected. So even if people were offering books for free, it would still have to go through the review procedures," Mr. Scher said.

CAIR is also planning to embark on a public relations campaign, which will include advertisements in newspapers.

*The campaign will be "mainly in defense of the Prophet Muhammad," Mr. Hooper said, "because the Prophet has been smeared so much by the likes of [Christian evangelists] Franklin Graham, Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggart, we feel it's necessary to have a counterbalancing campaign to show what the Prophet Muhammad really stood for in terms of his moral and ethical leadership."*

CAIR's propaganda

I called TCI Customer Service Center - (800) 497-6138
and compained as a parent of four about the presentation of
Michael H. Hart’s top 100 list of the most influential people in the history of the world showing Muhammad #1, Sir Isaac Newton #2 and Jesus #3.

History sure has changed since I went to school.

Charrlllesss...I already posted about this and emailed you the links yesterday. My original post on this topic contained a link I had uncovered to the actual content of the course: Here it is again.

I'll re-post my original comment here, since it's appropriate:

Daniel Pipes has a contribution from a reader about Islamic indoctrination in the Arizona Public Schools using a PC multi-culti textbook:

[same quote from Pipes' site as above]

I managed to track down the Web site for that exact lesson plan in the textbook they were using in that class. The book is called
History Alive! The Medieval World and Beyond:

Unit 2: The Rise of Islam

Lesson 7
The Geography of the Arabian Peninsula
In a Response Group activity, students examine four environments—the desert, oases, the coastal plain, and mountains—to discover how they affected ways of life on the Arabian Peninsula.

Lesson 8
The Prophet Muhammad
In this lesson, students learn about the life of Muhammad and the rise and expansion of Muslim rule. In a Writing for Understanding activity, students create an illustrated manuscript that retells the story of Muhammad’s life in their own words.

Lesson 9
The Teachings of Islam
In a Problem Solving Groupwork activity, students learn about the beliefs and practices of Islam.

Lesson 10
Contributions of Muslims to World Civilizations
In a Social Studies Skill Builder, students read and learn about the contributions of Muslims to world civilization in such areas as science, geography, mathematics, philosophy, medicine, art, and literature.

Lesson 11
From the Crusades to the Rise of New Muslim Empires
In a Problem Solving Groupwork activity, students learn about the causes and effects of the crusades through role playing and class discussions.

You can just imagine what the role playing and class discussions are like:

Teacher: OK, Jimmy, you be the Crusader, and Billy be Saladin.
Jimmy: I am the brave Crusader, here to reclaim this land for Jesus!
Teacher: No, Jimmy, that's not right. Try again.
Jimmy: I am an evil imperialist here to exterminate the brown peoples of the world!
Teacher: That's better. Billy, it's your turn.
Billy: Die, infidel! The crusaders are the sons of pigs and monkeys!
Teacher: Billy, were you paying attention in class? Start from the beginning.
Billy: I am the savior of the oppressed! The dusky proletariat shall arise and seize the means of production from the ivory-toned overclass in their ivory towers!
Teacher: Very good!

#111 Roger

I can't say, other than I was surely blessed. I have always had very strong faith (although for a quite a few years there, I had misplaced it)
But as a child I just had this ability to see through it - and know that G-d was with me. I could feel it, I knew it, like you know when you're thirsty. I couldn't define it properly in the context of a "faith" yet, but it was there all the same. I went through alot of spiritual gyrations before I found my Judaism.
And I feel it again, Like i did then, and that's the miracle, because 7-8 years ago I wouldn't have thought it possible.
And I see my mother as a great lesson in what not to be. She really did more for me than I could ever explain, despite the fact that thiswas never her intention!

#118 Carolyn
Amen Sister. It was a cleansing experience.

#122 Show Me Sam, are the Beatles and/or Elvis on it?

#117 Americain

Indeed. BIBLE: Hey... be nice to people.

Qu'Ran: Hey... kill infidels, they weren't worthy.

its a subtle difference, I know... but I'm glad that schools are teaching the more life-loving one...

< gag >

#110 lancekates

Indeed I do. Go to that sacred text websites - it's an awesome reference and quick too for quoting in writing. I use it all the time.

The dhimmification of America was well underway years ago. The liberal academics and screeching hysterics among the nation's Op-Ed writers planted those seeds decades ago, fertilizing the ground for all that we see today. We are merely witnessing the final germination of those poisonous seeds.

"We'll get you through your kids!" Indeed. They have been as good as their word.

#124 BabbaZee, I'm glad for you and for all of us because of what you contribute:-)

#128 bubbazee

I use some of those sites.. but there is something about having a hard copy in front of you when quoting. besides... its hard to read from the computer in bed, and I do alot of this joy reading (if one can call it that) before bedtime... makes for intersting dreams.

#128 bAbbazee

I just relized that I was giving you a wrong vowel. so I will replace it with the correct vowel.

but hey... in another few decades, you'll be thanking me for the vowel movement.

(sorry, bad joke, I know... but I'm sappy... couldn't resisit... and i'm BORED at work. and I need a new job in Oklahoma.)

130 Roger
Aww shucks. Thanks! [blushes]

131 Lance
Yes I am an incurable bibliophile - 6,000 plus in the house and growing, and the feel of the book is half the experience, I agree. But when I write I do use that site quite alot.

#132 lancekates
LOL!

People! There is something we can do and its all very simple. Ask your children when the class will be discussing Islam (usually the teacher passes out a syllabus). Then on the day(s) Islam is taught, you have a right as a parent to sit in and observe what the teacher does. I'd bring a video camera just in case further proof was needed. At that time, you can inspect the textbook that is not allowed home. You can also question the "guest" lecturers. For example, the first question I'd ask of any "Islamic scholar" (seems like an oxymoron) is: "Do you believe that Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state within it present borders free from terrorist attacks?" The answer will be quite telling. I'd also make sure that my child knows the truth about Islam, and of course, I'd confront the teacher if he was telling obvious lies about Islam. BTW, this is why MY kid is going to a private Jewish school. SCHOOL VOUCHERS NOW!

#131 lancekates, me, it doesn't matter what I read or watch; I sleep without remembering any dreaming. But I'll wake up because of the subtle sound difference of a skunk eating my cat's food placed in the same room approximately 3 feet from my bed. But the cat can eat and I don't wake up.(The skunk comes in thru the cat door and a skunk doesn't smell unless they want to).

#133 BabbaZee

I used to have a few bibles, but now I have a nice one that shows a few different versions at once. and one that is called a "Rainbow Bible"

I have a greek New Testament.

a copy of the LXX

and some works on Paul by FF Bruce.

And a copy of a GREAT book called "THe BIble: God's word for the biblically inept."

That's about it for Christian stuff.

#136 Roger

I'll assume that you have a pet skunk.. otherwise I wouldn't be alarmed by what its eating... i'd be alarmed by its existance in my house.

My uncle used to have pet skunks. Only got 'shot' once by one that he thought was too young to be loaded.

Our tax dollars...hard at work in the public school system...funding our own destruction.

Crimson Fisted, Post #23 and Anna, Post #40 both bring up an interesting point:

Are these kids reciting the prayer that makes you officially Moslem? There's a danger here. Any Lizards can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that reciting these words AUTOMATICALLY makes you a Moslem, whether you actually understand the implications of what you are saying or not! A non-Christian reciting the Apostles' Creed does not automatically become Christian; a non-Jew reciting the Shema ("Hear O Israel") does not automatically become Jewish, but I believe that reciting a certain prayer accepting Allah and his prophet does, indeed, make you Moslem, according to Islam!

So, now, are any kids who may have recited these words going to be considered apostates, if they don't start worshipping as Moslems? Is some group like CAIR going to demand their parents give these kids an Islamic education, or convert themselves---or hand their kids to some "nice" Moslem family, who will raise them properly? (If the parents refuse, they are, of course, racist, and Islamophobic.) We live in a crazy world, people, sillier things have happened!

This whole thing could open a gigantic can of worms!

These people who push this crap are the minority, they get away with it because people dont vote in school board elections. I can almost guarantee that Scotsdale is in a Red County. Start voting these people out and things will change.

#131 lancekates, I've used [Link: www.quran.org...] but it looks like it is on borrowed time. It is by the guy that claims the quran is mathematically arranged so that it can't be tampered with or 'reformed'.

This is one of the reasons my children have received a combination of home schooling and private, parochial education over the years. I'm praying that they pass the exams to get into the local Catholic prep otherwise its home school for the high school years as well!

The top two home school curricula, IMHO :

www.K12.org

launched a few years back by Bill Bennett, it should have a high school curriculum in place for the 2005-2006 school year

www.calvertschool.org

A brick and mortar private school in Baltimore, Maryland which developed one of the first distance learning programs for elementary school in the US.

Not enough room to give the praise both of these programs deserve. This is how school should be. There are many other excellent home school programs out there. In my state, Illinois, home schooling is a breeze...no proctored tests, no monitoring by local school systems, etc. Each state's laws vary...some are more fascist about it...the NEA wants to eradicate it altogether.

The only way to prevent Islamofascist incrimentalism from taking over our public schools is to start screaming NOW at legislators and school administrators (not all of them are complete idiots, it just seems that way), and for parents to once and for all refuse to be bullied and bufalloed by the monsters who manipulate and brainwash in the classroom. There is no excuse for the parent in this story to allow his child to stay in that classroom for one more minute. He should stand in front of the teacher's face and tear the textbook to shreds. I would; I have.

All part of the plan:

Understanding Jihad
Dr. Israr Ahmad

In endeavoring for the establishment of the ascendancy of Islam over all other systems of life, members of the Islamic movement will have to go through the following stages:

* Passive Resistance, enduring all verbal and physical persecution without retaliation;

* Active Resistance, challenging the un-Islamic system when there is enough strength available to do so;

* and finally, the Armed Conflict (or a non-violent and disciplined popular movement)

This is the essential prerequisite for Islamic Renaissance, as it constitutes the only methodology to generate the dedicated and committed man-power to undertake the Jihad for the establishment of the domination of Islam over all other systems of life, all over the world.

[Link: students.washington.edu...]

(Link has since been removed by Washington University)

It appears parts of Arizona are currently in Phase 2.
 

#142 Roger

Yeah, but he probably also thinks that the Qu'ran is true.

and that the sky is puke green.

#123 When do they cover honor killings, fatwas, rules for wife beating? Rules and methods for cutting off hands, feet, and tongues? The number of virgins in paradise distributed to martyrs? And especially Islam's prohibition of other religions, all clearly set forth by Muhammad.

#138 lancekates, nope. not a pet. Midnight marauder. That's why I wake up. What interest me is that I can't be in too deep of a sleep but never remember any dreams.

The exploitation of children this way is outrageous. The political and religious battles need to be fought by adults. Using the children should be unacceptable.

Let's be blunt. There are two missionizing religions in the world: Christianity and Islam. What is being done is to use the schools to provide missionary activity for Islam, by indoctrinating school children, and using the authority that teachers and the school system has, and their power over the children. It also takes advantage of the gullibility of the children, and their inability to hear or read a second opinion.

Their parents do not even have the right to see what the indoctrination is all about. The books are not allowed to be taken home. So it is being done with as much secrecy as possible.

The Left has an alliance with radical Islam, so do not expect any help from the Left. That includes the ACLU, which today is a radical Left organization.

There needs to be organized a body of lawyers who are talented in Constitutional and other law, and are willing to fight this. And such an organization of lawyers needs to be funded by the public. Perhaps legislators can help in defending the school children from the intrusion of religious indoctrination into their schools.

#143 Coulterclone

Bill Bennett is a pretty good guy. I don't know if his radio show is national or not, but I know its here. I can see why he got tapped to be the head of education...

He is, however, almost creepy with how calm he is.

As I mentioned on another thread, one need not have to read about the outcomes of Muslim rule and sharia such as mass poverty, enslavement, misogyny, subjugation of infidels, dhimmitude, wars of conquest, intolerance of gays, enforced dress codes, etc. Conveniently we have a living museum of such data and conditions in the current Middle East. (save Israel). Since a religion forged in seventh century Arabia has remained virtually unchanged since then, young schoolchildren and their dhimmi seeking teachers can actually see for themselves what this "textbook" ignores,...er I mean describes.

Of course the female teachers would have to suit up in a black tent, and the female children could not walk unaccompanied by a male relative, but hey, why read about history when you can live it?

And finally, what is with the prayer rug in the school and "learning to pray?" Where is Michael Newdow and his ilk in the ACLU (American Crescent Liberties Union). I don't suppose that next we will have Hindu teachings and prayer, Catholic prayer, and other religious sects in the schools for the multi-culti morons who run these madrassas, er, I mean public schools.
This must be stopped.

OT -- POTENTIAL NEW THREAD

Copt-kller used ATM card -- several times! why won't the prosecutor publish the pics that must be there from those visits to help catch the murderer?!

Islam, like Hitler, has achieved many bloodless conquests. A special thanks to the school teachers of Arizona and elsewhere.

Funny, while there were Hitler Youth associations in America in the 1930s (the "bunds," I believe they were called), I don't recall taxpayer dollars subsidizing them or the Hitler creed being taught and instilled in public schools.

#147 Roger

I only remember a FEW dreams... most of the time, within an hour of waking up, I only remember if I had strange dreams or not.

#120 Chotii

I have no objection to learning about the contributions Islam (or Islamic cultures, anyway) has made to the world.

Neither do I.

Now if we could just think of one.

You mean they kids were made to write up their own biographies of Mo-man, including his pedophilia, rape, schizophrenia, illiteracy, anti-Semitism, and slaughter?

What a brave move against islamofascism! We can all rest easy knowing our children are learning the nature of our enemy!

oh... a bowdlerized "life" of Muhamad?

Nevermind.

Vickie -

About U.S. pushes Arabic: Study of language now tops Hebrew

Read the entire article . . .towards the end it offers the following:

"The Washington-based Center for Applied Linguistics said that despite increased federal funding only 70 U.S. elementary and secondary schools — most of them private Islamic schools -- have been teaching Arabic."

#123 Zombie

LOL! You're Christian/Saladin role-playing game is a hoot!

(And, by the way---how can anybody learn anything, about history or anything else, by "Class discussion?" and "Role playing?")

#154 Thom

Now if we could just think of one.

Its a stretch, but how about:

1.) Motivated the US to shake off its Liberal-induced apathy and start whupping up on evil.

2.) Showed us that ugly men in beards (i.e. BinLaden) are still ugly.

3.) Raised American suspiscion of what's being taught in its own schools. (This article wouldn't have been written 10 years ago)

that's about all I got boss.

#137 lancekates

I have a new testament, an apochrypha, a few different Christian versions of the bible, but the bigger part of the religious collection is Torahs and the Jewish commentaries on torah, I have most of the major sgae's commentaries, the Zohar, the Book of creation, etc etc etc ...infinity!
I have plenty on Islam and on paganism and occultism, many volumes on Native American religions (I lived with a Lakotah sacred-man as a student all of 1986)

Contribution of islam: beheading bound captives on the internet. Suicide bombings, machine gunning little kids in their carseats, have I forgotten anything?

#152 Firebreather

There were German American Bunds. My relatives used to go "break up" their parties in a violent and un-PC like way.
heh.

Daniel Pipes is my hero... I love his work.

However, I'd like to caution everybody, including the parent of the 7th grader, not to take too much stuff out of context. I mean, we haven't actually seen the book.

Here's the curriculum contents, though. [Link: www.teachtci.com...]

I mean, quite honestly, it's really hard to write history without a bias. Quite often partisans are the most knowledgeable on a subject, because they're motivated to be. That's OK, I think, as long as multiple points of view are offered. Although a bad teacher can ruin that by rushing and not pointing out the multiple points of view. Or having enough interesting classroom discussion about the bias of a particular unit.

Overall, looking across the entire curriculum, there's plenty of time spent on Christian and other points of view. Nothing about Judaism, but you know, it's supposed to cover from the Fall of Rome through the Renaissance and Reformation, across the entire world, and that's a lot of stuff to cover. As a Jew, I find that disappointing, but not surprising, when I remember how they taught the history of the Middle Ages when I was a kid.

And it isn't surprising they don't talk about modern Islamic violence... They don't even cover the murders that created the first schism in Islam and the two biggest modern branches of Islam (Suni and Shi'a). The whole curriculum is uniformly and unrealistically "politically correct." In the Americas unit, they don't appear to talk about the conquest of the Incas or Aztecs, just their "rise" and "achievements." Silly. Nowhere are "conquer" or "war" or "kill" or "murder" or "assassinate" or "burn at the stake" or any of those nice, yummy, controversial violent words used. They mention the "salt trade" in Africa, and do a whole game exercise about it, but they don't appear to say anything about sugar in the Caribbean, or slavery.

I guess history is nothing but happiness and peaceful cultural exchange, right?

As for the indoctrination excercise, compare:

Lesson 8 The Prophet Muhammad In this lesson, students learn about the life of Muhammad and the rise and expansion of Muslim rule. In a Writing for Understanding activity, students create an illustrated manuscript that retells the story of Muhammad’s life in their own words.

to

The Spread and Impact of the Reformation In a Problem Solving Groupwork activity, students learn about three groups that broke from the Catholic Church during the Reformation and how the church tried to stop the spread of Protestantism.

No exercise telling the life of Martin Luther in their own words?

Hm.

Anyway, obviously I'm not being an apologist for such a wonky curriculum, but I'm just cautioning people to honor Daniel Pipes' exceptional scholarship by being as equally meticulous as he is, that's all. Let's not go bananas vilifying something based on incomplete information...

I would be really interested to know who wrote Unit 5, and who funds TCI...

#157 Talkin

(And, by the way---how can anybody learn anything, about history or anything else, by "Class discussion?" and "Role playing?")

In my college courses they always wanted us to do this... It always seemed to me to be lowering the potential intelligence of all students.

If I already know the answers, and just need 'class disscussion' to bring it out, why am I paying 1300 per credit to take the course? I expect pithe lecture, intelligently chosen reading material, and extensive testing.

Class discussion is REALLY just a way for the teacher to just plan less work. And no, I'm not being biased, I spent time as a teacher in wisconsin...

There should be an opposing and equally aggressive and well connected organization of people who are willing to stop the Islamization of our school children and of our public schools.

There is. There called private schools and home schooling. Support vouchers so these alternatives can become available to everyone.

08:30 - 09:00 Death to America Chant

09:00 - 10:30 Death to Israel Chant

10:30 -10:45 Recess

10:45-12:00 Taqqiya

12:00 - 13:00 Lunch

13:00 - 14:00 Beheading with sharp knife - wives and fellow muslims

14:00 - 15:30 Beheading with dull knife - infidels

15:30 - 1600 Beheading with plastic spoon -Jews

Bill Bennett has his Achilles heel as the MSM pointed out with their sensational stories about his gambling habits last year. I think that his calm demeanor rattled them enough to make them drop the story. I would like to see him wrap his hands around the necks of people like Maureen Dowd and squeeze really really hard but, unlike going to Las Vegas and playing poker, that activity would be illegal. I try to review his Book of Virtues series from time to time to keep on track (the children's books are especially good) but my fingertips do get itchy everytime I walk past a copy of the New York Times.

When they get particularly itchy I turn to LGF and my keyboard. Thank you, Charles.

#163 Rayra

Google strikes again!

# 160 C

Buzzing prayer rug!

:-)

Maybe Chotii thinks we should be conquered by the Moors so that we get more words and a change in architecture.

[Link: www.worldandihomeschool.com...]

Good resource for those who are home-schooling

#167 Coulterclone

Well, gambling, in my opinion isn't 'evil' . . . especially not by the standards of people like MSM... (looking the other way while Saddam kills people, just to keep your offices in his backyard sound familiar?)

but being addicted to gambling, or gambling away money you need for other things.. I'd get a touch cranky there.

But hey.. we'll all allowed a vice or two...

#169 - LOL

ot - President Bush in his inaugural address said the US is responsible for advancing democracy (rough paraphrase)...and later said we will help people who want democracy...we have well over 1,000 us soldiers dead in iraq to advance his fantasy...what are we going to do with lebanon - either he wants to advance democracy or he wants to appease syria...

I've said this before, but in case some of you haven't had the chance to read, please see below.

When I was in college, I was a Political Science major with a minor in Italian. Part of my core was to take a class on Eastern religions. I saw in the coursebook that this meant learning about Buddhism, Taoism, Shintoism, Hinduism, etc. We spent the first 2 weeks learning about Buddhism, Taoism, Shintoism, Hinduism, Zoroastrism, Sikhism, and Jainism. Weeks 3 through 16 were all Islam all the time. I asked the teacher if there was a reason why we hurried over the other religions, and were concentrating on Islam. His response was that Islam was the most important of the Eastern religions. I pointed out that Islam was not noted as part of the course in the coursebook catalog. He reminded me that syllabi are subject to change at the discretion of the professor, and he chose to focus on Islam. It was 14 weeks of the most biased and disinformed tripe I had to sit through. A lot of focus on what the "spirit of the Koran means", and nothing about what it SAYS. I got an A, but I felt dirty.

#159 BabbaZee

I'd love to go spend time learning the ways of my Indian tribe (unlike our good friend Ward, I actually AM American Indian)

but there are too few left who know 'the old ways' . . . the tribe has become too small and too secularized. a pity. but such is life.

The only answer is to teach your children the truth at home. As one poster stated "home schooling isn't an option" Not all of us can do that. But we can tell our children the truth about Islam, and other issues that come up.
My child came home with an assignment to write about the Jewish religion. They picked different religions out of a hat and had to do research and a presentation. Since all the major and a few minor religions were accounted for I didn't have a problem with the assignment (age is a factor, she's in high school) She knew enough to trade when she drew islam.

Two things the parents of these kids can do is: Go and sit in the classroom when this is being taught, and look over the books.
Find out why, and insist on a valid answer, the books cannont be taken home. It had better be a good one.
File a class action suit against the school for allowing prostylizing through history lessons to be allowed.
Find out if these kids are not unbeknown to themselves actually being converted as moslems through some of the "lessons" being taught.
I would be all over that school and the peopel teaching this crap, as well as the people who published this shi'ite.

Muslims no doubt have a problem with the curriculum... how did Newton beat out Saladin for #2 and how the hell did Jesus Christ rank #3, ahead of Osama, various caliphs, Arafat, and other Muslim Greats?

This outrage justifies more Islamic violence, no doubt.

Oh, and "zero" was not - I say again, not - invented by moslems.

(Just wanted to pre-empt that wrongly oft-claimed contribution.)

#177 lancekates

The sacred ways of the Lakotah make me think they may very well be a lost tribe. The basics were very very jewish, and some of the ceremonial stuff was eerie. Plus, once I had tanned no one could tell the difference between them and me...coinkydink? you decide! LOL!

#178 harley

She knew enough to trade when she drew islam.

LOL.

#179 quark

I'd agree with that, except that the NEA has its own pocket lawyers to keep it safe.

Schools get money based on the number of kids there, and how well they do.

Remove kids, and they lose money.

You know, there is a middle ground between whitewashing of Islam as is apparently happening in Arizona, and the relentless negative crap presented as fact often on LGF. # 69 Solomon X's comment is one example on this thread, which is notable for having less of the usual anti-Islamic venom than some other threads I've read here.

Daniel Pipes, Bernard Lewis, perhaps even Robert Spencer agree that Islam has not been an unrelieved pox on the world since Mohammed's Day One. And these people are the heroes of what I would call the "Islamic Reality" movement, which has come to more prominence after the events of September 11. 2001.

This parent is not going to get anywhere with her school district by calling Islam a Death Cult. She will get somewhere if she presents a reasoned, intellectually-based counter-point to the whitewashing of the textbook and the Islamic speakers.

Proposing that the school district introduce texts from Bernard Lewis would be a good start.

#166 Maine's Michael

LOL!

#182 BabbaZee

Well, its well known that the American Indians came over on an Ice plain from Russia to Alaska and moved south.

I do wholeheartedly believe that some 'remnant' of the other 10 tribes became part of this.

so I'm not suprised at all.

OT re the new ad.

Thanks for the temptation, Charles. I now want the hematite necklace. Sigh.

#176 BronchialStatue

Islam is an "Eastern" religion?

It's official: I have now heard everything.

#188 Cattt

Thanks for the temptation, Charles. I now want the hematite necklace. Sigh

does the necklace come with the lady? or is that too "mail-order bride' ish?

#187 lancekates

G-d did promise to scatter us all over the earth - so it never suprised me either...;-)

#187

I do wholeheartedly believe that some 'remnant' of the other 10 tribes became part of this.

Lance, you should try being a Mormon, then. That's what their whole religion is all about... (dodges flames)... I mean, that's one of the stories their religion is based on...(dodges flames)... stories, did I say stories? I mean truths, truths! Ow ow ow...

- singed seaweed

#166 Maine's Michael--

Precisely. Although you left out 'haram' and 'halal' dietary guidelines, the rest of the school day seems ideal and will no doubt raise many wondeful mujahideen for the eternal jihad.

#189 THom

I was told that I wouldn't make a good Youth Pastor (by a prof in college, where I was learning to be a youth pastor) because I had too much of a focus on helping the youths develop mentally and spiritually...

NOW you've heard everything.

175,

That punk is a pusillanimous pipsqueak.

#185 Martinsmithy
Proposing that the school district introduce texts from Bernard Lewis would be a good start.

I agree. But I also agree that Islam is a death cult. However if I were in that school district, I would not approach it that way with them either.

#192 Sentient

I know. I've read it.

Just because the book is wrong doens't mean it doesn't contain SOME true things.

190 lancekates

I seriously doubt that the lady can be purchased, at least not for the price of the necklace, and I would have to fight her for the necklace, if she was delivered with it.

#192 Sentient Seaweed
Puleeease! LOL!

182 BabbaZee
Thats why hollywood used jews to portray Indians in the old westerns.

#198 Cattt

If she does, you take the necklace... and if she's nice, trustworthy, honest, and conservative, I'll take the girl.

# 175 R

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

What a loooserrr

"He is now visiting friends in Germany and awaiting his "other than honorable" discharge papers."

Hmm, they wouldn't be a group of Middle Eastern immigrants in Hamburg, would they?
:-0

#163 Rayra, well his title " There Was No Need
For World War II" is right but his first paragraph blew it. The Germans should have chosen not to forgive Hitler his tax debt.

In 2004, it was discovered that Hitler had spent years evading taxes on income from sales of Mein Kampf and owed the German government 405,000 Reichmarks (equivalent to $8 million at 2004 exchange rates) by the time he took power and the tax debt was forgiven

wikipedia

Wher is the phoney ACLU? This is BS.

175

That kid is a lot of things, smart ain't one of 'em.

#185

Read the koran for yourself, and ask yourself whether the overwhelming violence of islam is compensated for by a few scattered bits stolen from the Jews and Christians.

To garble a famous quote, "all that is good in Islam, was copied from the Jews, and all that is evil was Muhamad's own invention."

To the extent that Islam glorifies hatred, death, torture, and oppression, the scattered fragments of decency do nothing to vitiate its evil. It is, for me, and unmitigated evil.

#194 lancekates

Touché.

LOL.

#200 contractem
LOL!

#197 lance

Just because the book is wrong doens't mean it doesn't contain SOME true things.

AWESOME QUOTE! I'm going to use that from now on.

On Sale Now!
The Book of Mormon
Just because the book is wrong doesn't mean it doesn't contain SOME true things.

Heck, why not:

On Sale Now!
The Koran
Just because the book is wrong doesn't mean it doesn't contain SOME true things.

On Sale Now!
The Holy Bible
Just because the book is wrong doesn't mean it doesn't contain SOME true things.

Might as well cover 'em all... LOL

#207 Thom

I'm Still not a Youth Pastor. I kind of got run out when the prof I mentioned took over as head of the department. suddenly every step i took pushed me two steps back.

I was even failed in a course where I got an A on EVERY graded item, and missed fewer classes than were allowed. but I was still given an F because he (the same prof) didn't think that I took the course seriously...

a course on philosophy of educational ministry...

Thom,

Help me out here. Who contributed the "zero", and where do I research this? Thanks.

Good thing that the kid Rayra links to in 175 didn't try Islam...

#209 Sentient

well, I don't know about the Bible... but that's my bias being a christian and all.

But there are truths that can be pulled out of most spiritual books... otherwise people wouldn't put any stock into them at all, beyond the mindless zeal faze..

Ok what school in Scottsdale? I am in Tempe and I am studying to be a public school teacher..I want to know were to go to counteract this crap!

#211

from Wikipedia (pbui)

History

The numeral or digit zero is used in numeral systems where the position of a digit signifies its value. Successive positions of digits have higher values, so the digit zero is used to skip a position and give appropriate value to the preceding and following digits.

By the mid second millennium BC, Babylonians had a sophisticated sexagesimal positional numeral system. The lack of a positional value (or zero) was indicated by a space between sexagesimal numerals. By 300 BC a punctuation symbol (two slanted wedges) was co-opted as a placeholder in the same Babylonian system.

The Ancient Greeks were unsure about the status of zero as a number: they asked themselves "how can 'nothing' be something?", leading to interesting philosophical and, by the Medieval period, religous arguments about the nature and existence of zero and the vacuum. The paradoxes of Zeno of Elea depend in large part on the uncertain interpretation of zero.

By 130 Ptolemy, influenced by Hipparchus and the Babylonians, had begun to use a symbol for zero (a small circle with a long overbar) within a sexagesimal system otherwise using alphabetic Greek numerals. Because it was used alone, not as just a placeholder, this Hellenistic zero was the first true zero in the Old World. In later Byzantine manuscripts of his Syntaxis Mathematica (Almagest), the Hellenistic zero had morphed into the Greek letter omicron (usually meaning 70).

But the late Olmec had already begun to use a true zero (a shell glyph) several centuries before Ptolemy in the New World (possibly by the fourth century BC but certainly by 40 BC), which became an integral part of Maya numerals. Another true zero was used in tables alongside Roman numerals by 525 (first known use by Dionysius Exiguus), but as a word, nulla meaning nothing, not as a symbol. When division produced zero as a remainder, nihil, also meaning nothing, was used. These medieval zeros were used by all future computists (calculators of Easter). An isolated use of their initial, N, was used in a table of Roman numerals by Bede or a colleague about 725, a true zero symbol.

The first decimal zero was introduced by Indian mathematicians about 300. An early study of the zero by Brahmagupta dates to 628. By this time it was already known in Cambodia, and it later spread to China and the Islamic world, from where it reached Europe in the 12th century.

That Seven Windows model is really hot.

Way better than the Comies Aren't Cool girl.

#175 Rayra

LLL kid joins Army to 'change it from within'. Freaks and flees recruit training after 9 days.

That reminds me of the friend of my girlfriend who joined the service last year because she wanted to "represent peace." Those words are still like fingers on a chalkboard to me. Couldn't she have just joined the circus to make sure the elephants get enough walks?

This is meant as a reply to DP111 and others at LittleGreenFootballs. I thought of posting it on my own blog, but since we’ve had an ongoing discussion on this blog for some time, I think it is right to post it here:

The 1400 year war

“Should I stay or should I go”? That’s a tune by British rock group The Clash. With the ongoing Islamization of Europe, it could become the theme song for a whole generation of Europeans. But even in the United States, I’ve seen several signs of blatant dhimmi mentality lately, from CAIR sensitivity training of the FBI to the Bush administration paying retired Palestinian terrorists. Despite the fact that 3000 Americans were murdered in a few hours, and that the population of Muslims in the US is less then that in Europe, the media in US is truly cowed into submission. There is nothing like the trenchant articles on Islam that are common in The Telegraph. The slaughter of the Armanious family in Jersey is far more gruesome in its scope then that of Theo van Gogh. Yet this slaughter has not raised any concerns in the MSM in the US; quite different to what happened in Holland and Europe, where van Gogh’s murder opened more eyes than Beslan and the Madrid bombing did combined. The US is only a few years behind Europe in dhimmification. Besides, if Europe goes under, then the bells will definitely toll for the US as well, as Islam with Eurabia would become even more dangerous. To put it in another way: I’m not sure Islam is something you can run away from. The Armanious family no doubt thought they had finally left the Islamic nightmare behind in Egypt. And yet, it caught up with them and killed them even in the mighty USA.

Perhaps the only sensible solution is to stand your ground. The fight against Islam is global, and postponing it only aids the Islamic forces. I have been following Iranian ex-Muslim Ali Sina for some time now, and he rejects any possibility that Islam can be reformed. Unfortunately, the more I study Islam, the more I think Ali Sina is right. The idea of spreading democracy in Iraq makes sense only if you believe Islam can be reformed. Otherwise, it is dangerous nonsense that will cost the West precious time and money during our fight for survival. Erdogan's new Turkey shows that Islam keeps coming back. Despite Ataturk's attempts to deprive it of a political role for almost a century, secularism is failing. President Bush has failed to identify the Islamic enemy by calling it a “War on Terror”, not a War against Islamic Jihad or radical Islamism. It worries me that so many people even on this supposedly “lunatic” forum at LGF don’t understand this. European left-wingers never understand anything, but when even American right-wingers don’t get this, Western civilization is in trouble.

I have said several times on LGF that I fear this war could go nuclear, and was asked by some whether I am an apocalyptic person. No, I’m not. But I understand what Islam is. It was creating havoc more than one thousand years before Communism, Fascism or Nazism were even invented. There may have been more barbaric cults in existence, such as that of the Aztecs. But they were not as widely spread across several continents as Islam is. Christian Europe has had its dark moments, but it showed an ability to progress, and correct some of its mistakes. Islam has never to this day shown even the slightest hint of reform. Given its longevity, extensiveness and destructiveness, I’d say that naming Islam the largest and most stubborn enemy of human freedom in history isn’t hyperbole. Add to this the fact that we today have the most dangerous weapons ever created. The combination of mankind’s most destructive weapons and its most dangerous enemy makes the possibility of the greatest war in human history more than just paranoia.

Arizona Public Schools Teach Islam You gotta be shi*tin me!

#109 saywhat?

the govt. has ample opportunity to hire Israeli's who are multi-lingual (fluent in Arabic) but do not for PC reasons. I wish I could find the link

I very much doubt that our government in hiring many non-Americans into our nations security fields. As I also doubt the Israelis are hiring Americans in the Mossad.

# 215 pb

"pbui"

ROTFLMAO!
:-)

#185 martinsmithy

I no longer have complete faith in Bernard Lewis' judgement as pertains to Islam -- he may be a Middle Eastern scholar, but may be the wrong one to call Islam what it is: A Deathcult. This link (below) was first brought to my attention by LGF. Bat Ye'or may be a better choice.

More recently, Middle East Studies doyen Bernard Lewis predicted Europe’s inexorable Islamization by no later than the end of the 21st century, during a July 28, 2004 interview published in Die Welt. He also emphasized the crucial role of shared European and Arab Muslim “envy” towards the US in driving the poor relations between the Americans and the emerging Euro-Arab bloc of nations. Despite his iconic status, which caused these remarks to reverberate on both sides of the Atlantic, Lewis’ utterances lacked substance, and their foreboding tone oddly contradicted sentiments he has expressed repeatedly in his writings. Lewis has extolled the scientific and cultural achievements of Islam 22, and he is a champion of Ottoman ecumenism 23. Why then wasn't his prediction about Western Europe's transformation into predominantly Muslim societies accompanied by an air of enthusiastic impatience, as opposed to gloomy resignation? Surely the fact that ecumenical Turkey's looming entrance into the EU will accelerate this process should be a source of particular joy, even pride, for Lewis.

There are logical, if not particularly flattering explanations for Lewis' simplistic (i.e., compare Lewis’ Die Welt interview, to these recent interviews here and here, by Bat Ye’or) and at the same time, paradoxical statements. Bernard Lewis remains oblivious to the reality that the Euro-Arab alliance he refers to vaguely is in fact a formal polity, not some ill-defined group of nations coming together informally due to a shared “envy” of America. Instead, Eurabia- a bona fide political entity- operates with the assumption of superiority- cultural, intellectual, and moral- abetted in no small measure by the writings of historians like Lewis himself, with their exaggerated claims of Muslim cultural and scientific contributions, and their invented, roseate narrative of Ottoman “tolerance”. Does Lewis really think that Ottoman or Persian miniature art is anything other than crude when compared to contemporary paintings and sculptures created in Western Europe, from the Renaissance, onward? Is he not cognizant of this unassailable truth (established by leading historians and sociologists of science) about the origins of modern science-an organized, empirically directed effort to explain natural phenomena through theory construction and testing? – “…it is indisputable that modern science emerged in the seventeenth century in Western Europe and nowhere else”.

Here's the link: Review of "Eurabia" by Bat Ye'or

I know you advocate population swaps, their non-Muslims for our Muslims, and separation. I want separation from the Islamic world, too. But is this possible in a globalized world? I’m not sure.

I will postulate that Europe will be saved because it has to be saved. The alternative is unthinkable. What Europe will be like after this struggle is anyone’s guess. The best scenario would be a newly invigorated Europe, once again on the right path after straying away from it for generations. Worst case, it would be so devastated by wars that it would never fully recover. Norway probably isn’t the worst country to be in during all this. Being the world’s third largest exporter of oil, next to Saudi Arabia and Russia, should ensure our income for the time being. Maybe it will take the loss of a European country to Islam or civil war in order to galvanize the rest of Europe against the Islamist threat. There are several countries on the shortlist of candidates for this, and Sweden is definitely one of them. Of course, should Sweden blow up, the trouble will spill over into my country. We're next door, and we have some Muslims, too. The situation is pretty surreal, actually. I come from a safe, sleepy country where the nanny state is so elaborate and all-encompassing that people kill themselves out of sheer boredom. And then one day, I wake up staring into the eyes of an enemy my ancestors fought almost 1400 years ago, before European nation states even existed. I don’t believe in any religion, but the whole scenario does sound like some kind of test. We’ve grown weak and decadent, unworthy heirs of a great civilization. We will have to grow some backbone fast, or lose the very freedoms we take for granted. And we will deserve it if so happens.

Should I leave for the USA? I've been thinking a lot about it, and the jury is still out on that one. For my own, short term interests, I have no doubt that I would be better off in the USA. What holds me back is first of all a sense of duty. I don't always like Europe, but that doesn't mean I would enjoy watching it fall to Islam, would it? I will feel like a pretty big chicken if I leave the continent of my ancestors at the very time it is threatened with extinction. I agree with Hugh Fitzgerald of Jihad Watch that Europe may still be saved, but a lot of that responsibility will fall on people like me. If non-dhimmis who understand the Islamic threat stay and fight, Europe will survive. If people like me leave, Europe is toast. I know that sounds awfully melodramatic, but it is nevertheless true. I honestly don’t know where I will be five years from now. Last year, I was determined to leave Europe. Now, I am less sure. It is not impossible to be in the USA and still fight for your country. Just look at our Italian friend Oriana Fallaci. But I have this little voice in my head telling me that somebody should indeed be leaving Europe, and it isn’t me. It’s an annoying little continent sometimes, but it’s my annoying little continent. Maybe Jacques Chirac doesn’t care about handing the cradle of Western civilization over to Mustafa Muhammad from Somalia, but I do. And I’m not the only one. Perhaps I am needed here.

This is the final phase a 1400 year war. Islam has tried, and failed, to conquer Europe since the 7th century. In some ways, it is closer to achieving that goal now than it has ever been. I disagree with the notion some people have, that Europe is already lost. We still have a window of opportunity to act, but it is closing fast. By the time my children grow up, it will indeed be too late. It will be have to be us doing the job, or it will be nobody. We didn’t ask for this fight and we didn’t start it, but we can make sure we finish it. There are some things you shouldn’t let your grandchildren inherit. Islam is on top of that list.

#217 Doss

Not sure if the wisdom was on purpose or not, but yeah, you're dead on.

Of course an elephant gets enough walking... they set up the circus and walk all day long during the show and the 'ride an elephant' ride.

In the same way, the US military does "represent peace" in that they kick the piss out of people who would do wrong.

looky

218 Norwegian kafir

The spectre of Iran with 10,000 nuclear warheads and ICBMs is frightening to contemplate. Of course they'd be hard pressed to get that many nefore they started shooting them off.

Learning about beheadings must promote self esteem, unlike Tag

Of course the slower, less coordinated kids will be the first to die. I don't get it - seems like the same lesson, to me.

#211 neverpayretail

Looks like #215 has ya covered. This link is pretty good as well.

# 223 N K

"I will feel like a pretty big chicken if I leave the continent of my ancestors at the very time it is threatened with extinction"

Don't -- you cannot save a continent by yourself -- Come make us stronger to confront the gathering threat!

I've investigated "Across the Centuries" published by Houghton Mifflin. It's a joke -- errors on every page, and Jews are almost entirely missing from the whole Houghton Mifflin series.

If "History Alive!" is worse -- GOD HELP US!

#224 lancekates
I was being facetious about the elephant walks, and any wisdom coming from my direction is purely coincidental.

#124 BabbaZee

I really appreciate your comments on finding your own faith. I went through something similar as a Christian, and had that humbling yet exhilarating experience when one realizes that God has been taking care of you all along. As someone much smarter than me once said, to those who have faith no explanation is needed, to those who don't no explanation is possible. God speed.

"Okay class, today we're going to jihad against Ms. Smith's 1st Grade class and build a mosque on top of their recess area. Oh, what now, Jennifer?"

"Tommy pulled my hair!"

"Tommy, did you pull Jennifer's hair?"

"Jennifer is lying!"

"Jennifer, do you have two males who can corroborate your accusation against Tommy?"

"No..."

"Then you have no right to accuse Tommy. Yes, Tommy?"

"May I rape and beat Jennifer now?"

"Again?"

#233 Doss

Sometimes that the best kind of Wisdom... when we try to FORCE it, bad things happen.

OT: Discover the Network

#178 Harley,

The only answer is to teach your children the truth at home. As one poster stated "home schooling isn't an option" Not all of us can do that. But we can tell our children the truth about Islam, and other issues that come up.

Well, that's what I've been trying hard to do the last couple of years. No pro-islam revisionist history yet, but a good bit of politically corrected history and an inadequate teaching of the basis for our country. My kids learn 10x more about Martin Luther King than they do about all the Presidents combined (my youngest has a hard time believing MLK wasn't a president, since he's the only American who has days devoted to him in the curriculum...). So, I correct their errors, talk to their teachers when necessary, and teach my kids about Washington and Lincoln and what makes America great (and no, you can't just sum it up with "tolerance").

I believe the public schools should be used to form educated, patriotic citizens. My kids' school has lots of immigrants, and they should be learning about what makes this country the land of opportunity that it is. Instead, we celebrate their cultures and minimize our own. I don't know how we will survive as a free country if our own schools act ashamed of our history and culture.

#233 Doss & lancekates, but I got a chuckle at how neatly that fit:-)

#234 3 wood

Thank you - and you too!

If this is what is going on in the public schools, it truly is time to drop the operations in Iraq and other mid-eastern regions, and bring the troops home, because if we've allowed the RoP disease to infiltrate this far into our country, it is pointless to continue any effort to spread freedom anywhere. For as soon as it is established, our country, overrun with Islamic lunatics will simply go in and take that freedom away from them.

This is because conservatives are nothing but a large group of people who will sit around and bitch about all the bullshit that the liberals are destroying this country with, but not get up and do a damned thing about it.
And I don't want to hear any of the "write to your congressperson" bullshit either. Those fuckwads don't give a flying rats ass about anyone in this god-dammed country than themselves. Even our president whom I still have hope in (however foolish that is) is turning a blind eye and deaf ear to the simple problems such as the fact that Mexico and Canada are only separate from the US in name. Our borders are no-existent except for the patrol routes walked/driven by a few brave citizens who risk thier lives every single day trying to fight a battle they are loosing a zillion to one.

If we are not willing to apply our 2nd amendment rights in a massive way, nothing will ever happen. How is it that we are so gung-ho about our soldiers killing off the assholes who are trying to ruin the New Iraq (which is good that they are doing such a great job.), yet we are afraid to do what needs to be done here in the United States. We have allowed crack-smoking corrupt judges and far to many lawyers drag our system down to where our kids are being slapped with charges of terrorism for writing stories that involve killing zombies.
We are far beyond the hope of ever rescuing this country by the same old tired dead-horse means we hear about everywhere. That being writing to congress, trying to pass laws, [b]playing nicey nice[/b]
With our schools teaching Islam as the new world order, we are now beyond any hope of saving our once great nation, even if we kill off the liberals in a massive civil war. Because said war will never even get off the ground, because there are still to many conservatives with thier heads up their asses screaming about how America's Liberty and Freedom includes the [i]Rights[/i] of the liberal assholes to have thier free speach and all the hate and lying they spew which is deliberately directed at destroying America.
The gunsmith has made his guns for everyone, and has successfully sold them to people who will use those very guns to kill the gunsmith.

Buy a fucking prayer rug and learn to like it, America is Dead.

201

A nice offset for the floor humper.

My trips to Scottsdale on business left me with the impression it is a high income area. Money seems to make some people stupid.

I would be supprised to see this in Phoenix but who knows. I don't live there but Scottsdale didn't seem like an ultra-left cesspool.

#34 Southernborn

They're getting around the separation of church and state by teaching as history. next thing you know, there will be terrorist training camps in our public schools.

What are they gonna call that - P.E.?

# 243 rs

Well, they were always using that set of monkey bars in the training videos ...
:-)

Take a look at the balance here -- "No Jews and Dogs Allowed" in the TCI curriculum.

TCI History Alive! The Medieval World and Beyond -- Contents

241 JonB

"
So hoist up the John B's sail
See how the mainsail sets
Call for the Captain ashore
Let me go home, let me go home
I wanna go home, yeah yeah
Well I feel so broke up
I wanna go home

This is because conservatives are nothing but a large group of people who will sit around and bitch about all the bullshit that the liberals are destroying this country with, but not get up and do a damned thing about it.

Wee! Opposite day!

I loved this when I was a kid.

Pooks

This is why my child goes to private school.

#185

Venom is a rich word to use when Newsweek's front cover blasts "What teachers hate about parents".

How about what parents "dislike" about being told they are the problem when:
recess is cancelled
sports are cancelled
wound up kids stuffed into chairs for hours and get excited then are sent home with a demand that they be put on Ritalin.
Parents are told not to expect kids to read by age 8
Whole language requires a kid to memorize the entire dictionary in order to be able to read
Social studies books give Patricia Schroeder (D-Co... formerly) a full page and George Washington a paragraph
Elementary kids are given condoms to put on bananas instead of studying history
Santa Claus is told to take a hike while Halloween becomes the biggest event in the school calendar
Elementary math course has gender issues as the number one goal instead of...math
Just a few...

Now, inexpicably, it's suddenly so important to study on prayer rugs.
There is so much screwed up here, the "Islam" aspect is just a detail, really. It boggles the mind. People have been willing to concede that if a public school is trying to cater to everyone, then try and be as neutral as possible, so out goes the Christian heritage. So, after all that anguish and debate, up pops another religious instruction that gets installed without any debate whatsoever. Gee that shows the schools have a lot of consideration for the families. Do they care that this course requires many of the children to violate their own religions' commandments? You may always think of CHristians, but what about the Hindus, the Buddists? You don't think they are not represented in US schools?
Sounds like stick it to the parents and their kids to me.

Now, concurrently in the news, some families opted out of the public and sent their kids to private schools, one in Alexandria, VA, which interestingly, was teaching a radical Wahhabism. Their top student is in jail right now for plotting violence against our Head of State. Hmm.
A public debate in Scottsdale would have been appropriate, before the course was implemented, but the community was denied that right. Why?
Is it any wonder that people are annoyed and alarmed?

So hoist up the John B's sail
See how the mainsail sets
Call for the Captain ashore
Let me go home, let me go home
I wanna go home, let me go home
Why don't you let me go home
(Hoist up the John B's sail)
Hoist up the John B
I feel so broke up I wanna go home
Let me go home

Say what: Thats just how it STARTS. A study of how "policies" are develped and implemented is a good idea for everyone here. Its dry..its not "sexy" but it is manditory if you want to know what your ...that YOUR country and MY Country will look like in about 15 years.

Lets see if I can do an outline..and introduction to this. Then you are on your own to investigate...

Start small and slow, preferably in a less noticable area of the country, (not always tho) and find good NOBLE PRACTICAL REASONS for this policy. Can include..safety, and children, and health, and business, and TOLORANCE, ...blah blah blah. From there this POLICY is defined as "Successful" and should be EXPANDED COPIED by OTHER entities (including Govnt and Military) and/ or in other States. Then it does makes its way OVER the RADAR, INTO THE MAINSTREAM,...along with supposedly LEGIT RESEARCH by Universities and THINK Tanks. also defining this new "policy" as needed and highly successful and GOOD for American Understanding of Others and BUSINESS...blah blah ..again.

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Library Project: Very good example of how this is happening. Semi UNDER THE RADAR...many people have NO idea this "Library Project" Mega Funded is even going on and further, they have NO idea what these "books" will say. And IF they dont like it..Librarians will be waaay too FREIGHTENED to object to anything. Once in a while, IF a Jewish Librarian picks up one of those books and reads something that :
1. Isnt true
2. Is Antisememtic
3. Is AntiChrisitan (betcha they are going to vet for AntiChristian comments real hard and expunge anything that might offend Christians..)
That Librarian will have to think long and hard before he or she objects to it. (Book burning..Free Speech...and all that CRAP)

Same with Teachers with similar "Islamic Funded " Materials provided to them by so called Islamic CIVIL RIGHTS GROUPS.

I just did a Google for the History Alive! textbook and Michael Hart. It's later than you think.

How so, Uncle BigBad?

A public school and the book "is not permitted to go home"? My, my...tax dollars at work!

Scottsdale is not the only place where this is being taught. Just check out the website:

[Link: www.teachtci.com...]

Frankly this may be a good program and the teacher altering the lesson plan. I don't know, but if I were Teachers' Curriculum Institute and looking out for my best interest I surely would be looking into this.

This group does however have a link to:

The Islamic Affairs Department at the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia in Washington, D.C.
[Link: www.iad.org...]

"In addition to its educational publications, the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia has now constructed this informative website about the religion of Islam. The main sections are Islam, Qu’ran, Pillars, Sunna, and Prayers. Visitors will find a wealth of materials, and some sections will be most helpful to teachers. This site also offers some unique features, such as Spanish and Arabic translations and a link to calculate local prayer time. All the resources make this a valuable tool for studying Lesson 9: The Teachings of Islam."

Go figure!

The bright side of this is that thanks to public schools, when these kids will know the following things about Islam when quizzed

Moe Hammed lived in a cave where he talked to angles.

He wrote a whole book called the Kormorant.

He thought that God was only god and that he, Moe Hammed was his profit.

Moe Hammed invented rugs for praying but later the Persian stolded his idea.

What if more conservatives ran for their local school board and took an active interest in what's being taught?

PIMF

At the very least the school system should have met with parents and had the books available for viewing.. IF the district is using the ENTIRE curriculum, it seems to be fairly well balanced although not much emphasis is placed on the role of Christianity in the development of our culture. If only the Muslim section is being taught, the parents certainly have many reasons to complain.
Arizona has a very strange school system and, possibly parently involvement is not required. In Virginia it is state mandated that parents have the opportunity to view any textbooks being considered for adoption.

Scottsdale has lost its mind. On Brit Hume's Grapevine

New Names

Students in Scottsdale, Arizona are learning the importance of language after the superintendent changed the names of many jobs in the school system. Students who ride the bus don't have bus drivers. They're now "Transporters of Learners." And complaints that once went to the Assistant Superintendent now go to the "executive director for elementary schools and excelling, teaching and learning."

While the superintendent says the titles are a statement on how much Scottsdale values learning, one human resources expert told the Arizona Republic that the changes "make her want to gag." But the school receptionist likes the changes. She is now officially known as the "Director of First Impressions" and says she loves her new title because "It sounds so important."

After living overseas for many years, where non-citizens had to pay for private schooling for their children, I find myself opposed to "public schools" as they have become in the US. The original "public schools" in the US were cooperative -- parents grouped together, hired a teacher, built a schoolhouse. Every parent contributed to the costs; non-parents contributed if they wished.

Parents have pretty much abdicated their responsibility for educating their children -- left it to the state, the city or district, the "professionals." There are hardly any parent voluteers in the classroom or school activities, the PTA, the school board, etc. In my teaching experience (pre-overseas job), few parents oversaw homework, and some were remiss in reviewing, signing and returning quarterly report cards.

When parents abdicate responsibility for their children, there's always someone ready to jump in and control your and your children's lives -- whether that's some islamofascist organization, as we're seeing here, or the local dope dealer out to make a bundle hooking kids in the neighborhood.

Forget "vouchers." You pay for what you get. When parents take full responsibility for their children -- and their children's education -- they have complete freedom in choosing the kind of education that's best for those kids. Private school, parochial school, homeschooling, educational co-ops... Lots of possibilities. And without the huge taxes funding "public" schools, parents will have more dollars to spend on more suitable but less costly education.

#70 renna

Please see

Exploding the Self-Esteem Myth

from the Scientific American, no less!

Not only is the idea silly and overblown, it actually produces intellectually weak students who think that any piece of garbage they create is wonderful and who cannot accept criticism.

USA Today also had an article challenging the goofy theory a couple weeks ago:

Yep, life'll burst that self-esteem buble

I was IN school and then Teaching when Israel was THE Little Valiant Country..And was ANYTHING near to this going on? NO WAY JOSE.

The only Info on the ancient ME taught in Public School was the GLORY of ANCIENT EGYPT. It is as if Jews and Israel (a specific Country with a specific people and culture and history) wasn't even there. We didn't exist as an Ancient Culture separate and apart from CHURCH teachings. (Thats examining Israel and Jews from someone Else's point of view and not taught in Schools of course.)

Now..are WE included in Ancient History? I don't even know. And how ARE we included? OUR actual history..or someones else's view of our history? No idea..What IS going on in Public Schools about Israel and Jews...(we all know there is some nod to teaching about the Holocaust..)

Real interesting to me. Its to WATCH and see just what IS going on sponsored by the Govnt..Fed and State.

Vickie - well said.

#220 Sarah D re:

I very much doubt that our government in hiring many non-Americans into our nations security fields. As I also doubt the Israelis are hiring Americans in the Mossad.

Disagree. The FBI refuses to hire Jewish translators. The issue is described at length in this frontpagemag.com article
celebrating 9-11 at FBI
By Paul Sperry
FrontPageMagazine.com | February 11, 2004

>comment by: 5763
> Subject: and yet the FBI refuses to hire Jewish translators
> Comment: There are alot of Jewish refugees from Arab countries such as Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Yemen, etc and the FBI has a discriminatory policy of not hiring them despite the fact that the foreign language is their native tongue and they are Americans and they have a unity of interest with the US. The description is Sephardic Jews or Mizrahi Jews which means Jews not from Europe as the Ashkenazi are. There is an organization which has kept track of the number who have applied for jobs and the number who got jobs and the count was zero.

#218 Norwegian kafir --

I have been following Iranian ex-Muslim Ali Sina for some time now, and he rejects any possibility that Islam can be reformed. Unfortunately, the more I study Islam, the more I think Ali Sina is right. The idea of spreading democracy in Iraq makes sense only if you believe Islam can be reformed. Otherwise, it is dangerous nonsense that will cost the West precious time and money during our fight for survival. Erdogan's new Turkey shows that Islam keeps coming back. Despite Ataturk's attempts to deprive it of a political role for almost a century, secularism is failing. President Bush has failed to identify the Islamic enemy by calling it a “War on Terror”, not a War against Islamic Jihad or radical Islamism.

I agree. And I've said so here on lgf. islamofacsism must be totally discredited, repudiated and consigned to the dustheap of destructive, hate-filled and evil ideologies. The quran forbids "reform:" thus islam cannot change. It can only be destroyed before it destroys everything -- including, ultimately, itself. islamofascism is the gravest evil ever perpetrated upon Earth.

#261 ibu guru, and before they had the resources and built the school, they used the church buildings all the while having a clear understanding of the separation of church and state compared to today's LLL and ACLU.

Say what: Thanks...I think Im going "off" again..all over this board. I dont know what set me off. lolol

But Im right...see if Im not right..Let time pass.

I dont like the DIRECTION of what Im seeing AT ALL. I dont like the Patterns I see developing.

Its on BOTH sides of the Political Spectrum.

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Another thing. Do we HAVE TO start talking about Hillary NOW. Cant we wait a damn YEAR? Cant we have a vacation? from this for a damn YEAR?

The book that was shelved "Across the Centuries" is the book that Congressman Tom Tancredo brought to Washington and blasted the publishers regarding revisionist history.

The book was used in my son's class as well. I read through it and got so pissed off that I wrote a letter to the principal.

It contains over 70 pages about Islam and ONE about Christianity. Nothing on Judaism. Several pages on Buddha and a small something on Hinduism.

My son's teacher (to her credit) skipped the entire section.

The book is pure crap!

It also states that 5,000 black soldiers won World War II.

Don't the parents in a school board/district have any say in this matter?

#264 saywhat?

Please address what I wrote.

I very much doubt that our government in hiring many non-Americans into our nations security fields. As I also doubt the Israelis are hiring Americans in the Mossad.

You're reply is that the US government won't hire Jewish translators. I see this as a separate issue. While I agree that the policy (if it is one, I have no idea) is stupid, this in no way fixes the problem of needing arabic speaking intelligence folks for years to come.

The NSEP is dedicating money to college students who are pursuing needed languages. The younger this process starts, the better. At this rate, it will take, at a minimum five years to get a rookie trained. And this is with "in-country" indoctrination.

You believe that the problem can be fixed by hiring American Jewish arabic speakers (though in the beginning you specified Israelis). I think that we need to focus on ramping up our education system to handle the intelligence needs of the nation, now, and in the future.

Here is a brief discussion about the Muslim propaganda in textbooks

Islamic Connection

#250 Peacekeeper: Not sure what angle you are aiming for there, be it insult or compliment. Which ever, It missed.

#247 Pookleblinky: Is it truly opposite? Please show me the light, as I'm having a very difficult time finding any news items based on events here in the US that prove the liberal-slamic agenda is being stopped dead in its tracks. Every so-called victory for the Republicans is only a small blip as the Liberal lunatics simply bring in more lawyers and try from new angles (such as the idiot who keeps trying different methods to screw over the Pledge of Allegance because he's an Athiest). If you fight a battle with leaches, you need to get out of the water they come from first before you can start saving yourself.

As someone who is never going to see anything from social security (except for the deduction on the paycheck), and who's religious beliefs will soon be illegal based on the bible being labeld as "hate speach", how am I supposed to have hope? How am I supposed to look forward to a futre that is simply not going to be there if things continue as they are.

I honestly thought there was hope for our country in the days after 9/11. Not because I was hoping for it to happen, but because in the aftermath of that event, people actually seemed unified. Yet it was something less than six months later we were back to the SSDD way of life. Back to listening to liberals talk about how it was Bush's fault, or that the Republicans and the VRWC planned 9/11. Calling us Nazi's and the like.
So how am I supposed to have a happy view of the world when my country is being bled to death by people who have nothing but evil in thier minds and hearts?

#223 norwegian kafir

But I have this little voice in my head telling me that somebody should indeed be leaving Europe, and it isn’t me. It’s an annoying little continent sometimes, but it’s my annoying little continent. Maybe Jacques Chirac doesn’t care about handing the cradle of Western civilization over to Mustafa Muhammad from Somalia, but I do. And I’m not the only one. Perhaps I am needed here.

You are needed, my brother. And I think you're right, it is a test. May God bless your efforts.

#272 JonB
G-d commands us to be joyful. You must find a way.

My son had comparitive religions in social studies last year (7th grade). They covered Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, and Greek mythology as far as I can recall. There may have been others. They were all covered as information and no indoctrination. I was amazed that a Los Angeles school could be so even-handed. I was very happy.

AAACKKK! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

From the TCI website:

"Lessons and activities are based on three well-established theories

Multiple Intelligences – According to Howard Gardner’s revolutionary theory, every student is intelligent – just not in the same way. Because everyone learns in a different way, the best activities tap more than one kind of intelligence. Gardner has described these seven intelligences: verbal-linguistic, logical-mathematical, visual-spatial, body-kinesthetic, musical-rhythmic, interpersonal, and intrapersonal..."

That seals it. The specious shoddy, anti-intellectual Howard Gardner theory has invaded mainstream textbook study. We are doomed. Gardner's theory purports to equate the athletic talent of a Cal Rapkin Jr. to the creative writing talent of Shakespeare...calling them both innate and equal "intelligences".

In Bill Bennet's book, "The Educated Child" Bennet writes:

"This multiple intelligences theory has won hordes of followers in American schools. Consultants rave about it. Educators hold seminars to discuss it. Hundreds of schools claim to be based at least in part on multiple-intelligences pedagogy. After all, it fits neatly with so many ideas that are at work in education today. It celebrates diversity, relativism, and egalitarianism: each child can be intelligent in his or her own way and they're all equally valuable. It encourages self-esteem and downplays competition...And of course some intelligences don't really lend themselves to objective measurement so conventional tests must not be relied upon too much. This mostly nonsense. Intellectual intelligence of the traditional sort is surely not all that matters when it comes to getting a good education--hard work, for example, is also valuable... it's also true that children may gain important skills and knowledge through different classroom approaches. That's why great primary-school teachers bring to bear a whole arsenal of methods...none of that, however, means that we need "a new definition of human beings, cognitively speaking" as Gardner says. Despite some educators' infatuation, the scientific community had found no evidence to support the idea that there are several different sorts of "intelligences". Most psychologists and others who study intelligence view this theory as opinion, not science."

SO...we have a bunch of unscientific anti-intellectual text book writers peddling their anti-intellectual unscientific tripe about an unscientific anti-intellectual religion/culture to a bunch of anti-intellectual unscientific educators. The whole bullshit cycle is complete.

In the 1930s in Nazi Germany, the unscientific anti-intellectual theory of Eugenics was taught in schools. Until 1900 bleeding as a cure for disease was taught in medical schools; creation theory is currently taught as a "science", most educators believe that global warming is entirely the result of the misuse of the earth's resources by man, depite the lack of proof--and it is taught as fact in science class. If you are black, Spanish-surnamed, Latino, American Indian or Muslim you are given preferential treatment on tests, entrance exams and application review in most universities in this country. If you are a white Christian, a Jew, Japanese, Chinese or Korean, you are not, and you are considered "culturally insensitive" if you object to these affirmative action policies. As far back as the 1950s Columbia University's College of Physicians and Surgeons questioned the overabundance of Jews entering medical programs in the U.S. and sought ways to reduce their numbers.

For years institutionalized education in this country has been run be people that belong in institutions. Trouble is...once main stream Americans finally realize this, our children will be praying five times a day to a false God and calling for the death of our way of life. Its almost too late.

Double standards and double speak galore. It is ok to shout separation of Church and State when we are talking about the word God, as long as it's the "Christian God" we are talking about. Christian prayer or a tablet of the ten commandments in front of a court house -- heavens forbid. But in the name of cultural advancement, let's be sure to sanction Islam as the left will adopt ANY position that is counter culture in the name of enlightnment and free speech. One more case being made by the L3s who practically run our school systems under this caustic double standard.