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Tue, Mar 8, 2005 at 9:22:08 pm PST

Anti-American billionaire George Soros is in Spain, where the government agrees with his insane leftist appeasement philosophy: US terrorism approach ‘creates hate’.

US billionaire financier George Soros today slammed as dangerous Washington’s strategy to fight terrorism, saying it was creating anger and resentment around the world.

Speaking on Spanish radio station Cadena Ser the day an international conference on terrorism opened in Madrid, Soros said Spain had “a very different response to terrorism - a healthier response”.

The Hungarian-born businessman, who spent millions last year opposing US President George W. Bush’s re-election, said US policies had had negative consequences.

“Producing innocent victims creates anger and resentment. And this anger and resentment feeds terrorism,” he said, according to the station’s Spanish translation of his English comments.

In Iraq, he said, “there are more people wanting to kill Americans than there were before. These people didn’t think like that before the Americans arrived and did what they did. The attitude of creating innocent victims creates terrorists. It’s as simple as that.”

Soros was among more than 200 personalities, leaders and experts attending the conference on terrorism under way in Madrid.

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1 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:23:19pm

Healthier response = total acceptance of dhimmi status.

2 Scipio  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:23:41pm

Evil comes in all shapes and sizes.

3 Spiny Norman  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:25:20pm

Capitulation is so much healthier, don't you think? Let's all run and hide, shall we? Maybe the nice Islamists will only go after the J... *ahem* Zionists.

4 Grumpy Tory Student  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:25:28pm

Just like Hungary had a very healthy response to Nazism by collaborating?

What a ---. For someone who claims to know a lot about Nazism, having lived under it and all, he scares the hell out of me.

5 Grumpy Tory Student  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:26:41pm

Hm... come to think of it, I wonder what he thinks if we point out that his lefty antics create a hate among the right wing.

Perhaps that's reason to stop being such a dick?

No, that would be asking too much of him.

6 Rust Never Sleeps  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:26:44pm

Sorry to go OT already, but this is important enough:

German Neo-Nazis admit plan to bomb Jewish community centre

(yes, I know it's The Independent.)

7 tomthorn  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:28:55pm

It's getting to the point where I almost think he's purposely supporting bad leaders and bad ideas so that he can make even more money shorting currencies. I mean, what else describes his outright idiocy?

8 Doss  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:29:42pm

What is that guy's major malfunction? In spite of his billions he seems miserable.

9 Scipio  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:30:38pm

#4 GTS, his maternal grandfather was a wealthy, Catholic Magyar who collaborated with the Nazis. He got forged identity papers for his daughter and her family so they could ride things out pleasantly in Budapest.

Explains a few things, no?

10 JohnSteele  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:31:31pm

Keeps his name in the limelight. Maybe its as simple as an inferiority complex.

11 Americain  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:31:34pm
“there are more people wanting to kill Americans than there were before.

And those are commies, fascists, islamofascists, totalitarians and over all bad guys.

Is this not to be expected when confronting evil?

12 # 17  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:32:06pm

Soros is an ALF.

That is an arrogant, lazy, fool with severe personality defects. He is a deeply unhappy person, and not being happy and content with his own life, is spending time and money in the pursuit of satisfying his ego.

He personifies the old adage that money doesn't buy happiness.

13 conservative.eyes  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:32:08pm

Prime Minister of Kosovo Resigns'

Kosovo's guerrilla-turned-prime-minister Ramush Haradinaj was charged with war crimes yesterday in a move that could provoke renewed ethnic conflict across the Balkan province.

In an attempt to prevent the outbreak of violent protests against the indictment, more than 1,000 extra troops, including 500 British Royal Green Jackets, have been flown into Kosovo in the past few days, increasing Nato's presence to 20,000.

14 Grumpy Tory Student  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:33:32pm

Wow.

I was just taking his own words from a TIME magazine interview from about a year back.

...

That explains a lot.

...

So what you're telling me is soon we'll see, announced on al-Jazeera, that Soros has always been a Moslem, that he'll be moving to Tehran and forging papers for everyone he likes? Part of the old Persian Soros Clan, that kind of thing?

15 Percopius  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:33:52pm

“there are more people wanting to kill Americans than there were before."

No, there are more Americans wanting to kill thier enemy than before, you twit.

16 susanita  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:34:29pm

I spent years of my life studying Spain. How sad that I can never bring myself to go back?

Being an angry victim is bad now? Soros thinks being mad about being raped and trying to protect yourself makes you a target for more rapes?

Wake up Spain!

17 jskelly  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:34:58pm

Soros is a deranged man, kind of like the fools going after Ann Coutler for daring to call Helen Thomas an "old Arab" ... [Link: www.politicaledge.us...]

18 LynnBo  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:36:27pm

I can't believe enough dopes exist to even listen to a convicted currency fraud felon, let alone grant him a platform and believe/agree with the words that pass through his fraudulent lips!

Jeez. Incredible.

19 rcris5  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:37:04pm

A man who has made millions raping the currencies of poor starving third world countries is lecturing the Bush administration on how its' policies create hate. No shame.

20 Percopius  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:38:41pm

#17

How stupid and typical. Helen is exactly an old arab. Shows you how facts are mutable in the LLL world view.

21 Tim McNabb  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:38:42pm

I'd like to know why a billionaire who rapes nations on currency shorts gets a pass with the left.

Tim McNabb
fivehundredwords.com

22 Grumpy Tory Student  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:38:52pm

I'd love to see the exact nature of the conference Soros is attending...

*puts on French accent*

Okay, when they strap a bomb on their torso, pretend to be dead so they can take out a couple of US soldiers, we immediately have to take up and expand on where Saddam left off and pay the family for this poor tragedy.

Here are your honourary headscarves and copies of the Koran. Oh, and a copy of Shari'ia... I will read out a list of the things no longer permitted...

*takes off French hat*

No puedo explicarlo bien en español, pero no apoyaré a Soros ni españa. Espero que morirá (más o menos) tan pronto que posible.

23 madawaskan  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:41:12pm

Dear George Soros-

We love you very much keep up the good work. Friends forever-

sincerely,

Basque Seperatist ETA...


p.s.-because you are special this letter is "safe".../SARC

24 Spiny Norman  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:43:54pm

#21 Tim McNabb

I'd like to know why a billionaire who rapes nations on currency shorts gets a pass with the left.

Because he feeds them their pabulum by the shovelful.

25 Scipio  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:44:51pm

#14 GTS:

Soros's grandfather did it. Nothing wrong with that: you gotta do what you gotta do. What's wrong is his proclaimed moral superiority for being a "Holocaust survivor" and ignoring the shady stuff that went on in his family (the collaboration part) while most everyone else of the Jewish persuasion was being incinerated and Raoul Wallenberg was sacrificing his life to save tens of thousands of HUngarian Jews.

26 freedomplow  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:46:24pm

I'm trying to keep up. Might have to multi-thread.

nyt positioning themselves with a preemptive strike. i thought they were against that sort of thing.


OT... sorry. or am i?

27 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:48:05pm

#21 Tim McNabb

I'd like to know why a billionaire who rapes nations on currency shorts gets a pass with the left.

Because, as long as guys like Soros are around, the Left will always have a "poor, oppressed minority" to take advantage of.

28 plutosdad  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:49:38pm

They forgot the rest of his speech:

He added "terrorists much prefer the innocent victims of Saddam in Iraq, Syria in Lebanon, and France in the Sudan"

29 BurbankErnie  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:50:27pm

The newly elected DNC Chairman Dr. Howard Dean is also in attendance at this Terrorism Conference. I cannot wait to read the transcripts from his speech.

30 keefe  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 7:53:53pm

"200 personalities"? Such as...

Mark Juergensmeyer, the director of international studies at the University of California.

Jerrold Post, a professor of psychiatry and international affairs at George Washington University

Louise Richardson, the dean of the Radcliffe Institute at Harvard

UN Secretary General Kofi Annan


Khaleej Times Online

31 rorschach  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:01:31pm

How could someone who is so adept at making money, (a skill that's eluded me thus far), be so infernally ignorant?

32 keefe  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:03:09pm

And just for you, Grumpy :

Kim Campbell

33 shev  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:05:05pm

OT: So that Tchechen leader who was allegedly killed today was a terrorist or what ?

34 Smith Space Technologies  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:05:58pm

#8 Doss
What is that guy's major malfunction? In spite of his billions he seems miserable.

My dog pissed on his leg while I pissed on his other leg but what I think pissed him off was an American Eagle that droped something nasty on his head

35 Malleus Dei  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:06:51pm

It's HEALTHIER to roll over and appease when threatened by evil? Mr. Soros, you need to acquire at least a passing acquaintance with history.

36 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:07:57pm
his maternal grandfather was a wealthy, Catholic Magyar who collaborated with the Nazis. He got forged identity papers for his daughter and her family so they could ride things out pleasantly in Budapest.

Explains a few things, no?

O, my God. It sure does. IOW, they were shaven-headed collaborators, quislings, who watched the other Jews get deported to the gas chambers. No wonder this sod is so effed up.

But it doesn't explain Sore-ass's ruthless destruction of the finances of country after country to further stuff his bloated moneybags with the misery of others.

He has the appetites of Shelob the Great.

37 plutosdad  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:08:20pm

#31 rorsach

Because he never ran his own business, he never earned his money the hard way

He made it by shuffling paper and making bets

Just like Warren Buffet. He never really started or managed a business. He bought them, then let their former owners continue running them. He got somewhat involved in the newspaper business for awhile. But the impression I get from him is that he too, made his money off of other people.

That is why both of them spout anti-capitalist BS. Not realizing they would not be where they are today if it weren't for capitalism making possible the companies started and run by other people that they invested in.

38 Belize042  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:10:37pm
Soros was among more than 200 personalities, leaders and experts...

...who have no personality, can't lead their way out of a paper bag, and are only experts at failure and idiocy.

39 quark2  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:10:52pm

G'nite all. :)

40 DocDublU  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:11:12pm

Ever notice you never see Soros and Rove together? Could it be? We need some photoshop comparisons, stat. Soros is so repulvise that he simply must be a GOP plant, deep deep under cover. No one could be this silly without really trying.

41 freedomplow  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:11:15pm

for the du crowd. soros could end all suffering in the world if he would give his money to the u.n.

42 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:12:54pm

#17 jskelly

WOW! I had no idea that that old hag Helen Thomas was Lebanese! Born in Detroit of Lebanese immigrant parents--that, too, explains a LOT.

No wonder she hates Bush so much. Anyone who would bring democracy to the Old Countries ... er, uh...

I have to confess I don't understand the Morlock mind. If indeed they have one.

43 hutchrun  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:16:01pm

Soros is a bloody ignorant fool. Take a lesson from how the Indian Govt. put down the Khalistanis. it wasn`t done by sucking up to the terrorists.

It is people like soros, Democrats, Spain etc who instigate the terrorists through their apologies. There should be no mercy shown. That is seen as weakness. Don`t try fighting a 7th century war with the Geneva convention.

44 Axiom  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:16:54pm

Just last month Georgie Boy was in Jeddah telling the oil ticks to break the dollar by forcing oil prices higher.

45 Axiom  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:18:30pm

#37 plutosdad

That is correct. Neither Buffet, nor Soros, has ever created anything that contributes to GDP.

46 RBMN  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:20:04pm

I hope it works out for him as well as this did:

From:
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

October 20, 2004 -- Mr. Soros has described the Nov. 2 elections and the defeat of Mr. Bush as "the central focus of my life." To that end, he has routed millions of dollars to coalition members, key among which are MoveOn.org, an anti-Bush Internet-based advocacy group, and America Coming Together (ACT), which is dedicated to get-out-the-vote activities for Democratic candidates, particularly this year. Coalition members are using thousands of paid workers and volunteers, armed with bar-coded identification sheets, to target undecided and potential Democratic voters door to door, and at shopping centers, grocery stores, street festivals, sporting events, naturalization ceremonies and hip-hop concerts from coast to coast. The America Votes registration drive has been the beneficiary of millions of Soros dollars, and records show two coalition members, MoveOn.org and ACT, have accounted for nearly $15 million alone in cash contributions from Mr. Soros and his business partner, Peter Lewis.

47 Axiom  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:20:20pm

Recall that Soros was gangbusters for war in the Balkans throughout the 90s.

I've never been hunting, but I'd love to bag me a warmongering dove.

48 transferthem  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:22:33pm

A self hating Jew is still a self hating Jew even if he is very rich.

I agree with soros that appeasement is more efficient - only one side has to pay to blow the other side up and, let's face it George, whatever the west does, the islamonazis aren't going to stop blowing us up.

So what George is saying is this. Save millions on military expenditure and try to be nice to them. Go and meet bin laden in some neutral city like Munich and see if he will sign a piece of paper proclaiming 'peace in our time' in return for, say, france and germany. In fact, if Geaorge manages to get hold of a good portfolio of Zyclon B futures, there could even be money in it. And the muslims will just start to love us all!

Hey, it worked in 1939...didn't it?

49 sunberry  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:23:55pm

Ugh. No less than two weeks ago, I had a professor inform the class that George Soros was one of only a few individuals who was a personal achiever as well as a betterer of humanity. He talked about how GS has committed himself to the spread of democracy around the world (Um...sure). One of his examples of how GS generously strives to help the world? The creation of Moveon.org. Oh yes. With a straight face. Honestly. I would have laughed, but my brain was still reeling.

50 Globular Cluster  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:25:53pm
What is that guy's major malfunction? In spite of his billions he seems miserable.

Good question. My guess is that he suffers from a guilt complex about his wealth, wherein he feels compelled to prove to the world that despite his wealth (which he is loth to relinquish), he is different from other members of his set (as if they are all the same), and cares more about the oppressed than they do.

In order to resolve this torment, he desperately seeks their approval by indulging their fantasies of blame, believing them in the process.

"Billionaires are people too, and some of us relate to you. I still have street cred, look!, here is some money."

It's actually kind of sad.

51 snowblind  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:25:58pm
Soros was among more than 200 personalities,

And I bet Soros was about dozen of the personalities all by himself.

52 7000 romaine  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:30:46pm

these morons still don't get it--like mentalward churchill and his ass kisser bill maher--they are out and out marxists or at the very least cultural marxists--and therefore think that terrorism is caused by the oppressive economic travails of the underclass--ignorant of history--they know nothing of the wahabbi/salafi revival of the caliphate/jihad mission of the world imperialistic movement of death cult islam-they aspire for peace--the peace of the collabo slave or the grave--it would be sad if it wasn't so dangerous

53 transferthem  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:31:16pm

It's amazing how conferences on how to stop terrorism always start on the premise that any method will do as long as it doesn't involve fighting the terrorists.

Why not just call it a conference on appeasement? A 'bend over for bin Laden' conference.

Silly old me always thought that the way to beat terrorists was to kill them before they kill us.

54 Grumpy Tory Student  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:31:47pm

#25: I agree completely... my complaint is extremely similar.

#32: Huh?

55 Right Brain  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:33:21pm

Nevermind what Soros is saying, instead watch what he is doing, keep one's eyes on the currency of the country that he is deriding, he will always being buying it in order to make a greater profit. If he is running down the USA one can bet he is buying American dollars in vast quantities. He is the ultimate profiteer, the ultimate cynic, the ultimate misanthrope.

56 neverpayretail  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:35:58pm

OT - first blogger admitted to White House press briefing

fishbowlDC at White press briefing

57 VerticalSwordsman  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:43:34pm

Just goes to prove that having a pisspot full of money says nothing about one's intelligence. Bin laden didn't exactly rise out of the ghetto -- like many high profile terrorists, he comes from a wealthy family. The jihadis would still want to slit my throat and replace the Constitution with the koran even if every muslim drove a Lexus and had a house in the suburbs.

58 pookleblinky  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:45:44pm

#56

Zombie posted on this before.

Protagonist at Wyatt's Torch also posted on this.

Agh- I need to sleep, blog, and write, all simultaneously!

Cursed finite days!

59 Abu Maven  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:46:23pm

NY Slimes attempting to praise Bush:

It now seems just possible that Mr. Bush and aides like Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz were not wrong to argue that the "status quo of despotism cannot be ignored or appeased, kept in a box or cut off," as the president put it in a speech at the National Defense University here.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

So "now" it is "just possible" that Bush was "not wrong"? Two months ago it was totally impossible that Bush was not wrong?

60 2X4 wielder  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:54:39pm

For people who was not really sure just what Soros is all about. Go to CSPAN.org and search for the name Soros. There you will find a link to video titled Sen. Hillary Clinton, George Soros & Howard Dean at Take Back America Conference [10/28/204]. This is a very instructive program about the Left and Democrats. You will have to skip around in the video to find the Soros part though the whole program is very informative. Soros talks about his precious Open Society project when he isn't confused and rambling. Lots of Moral Relativism and Multiculturalism taken from his hero (Karl Popper). You kind of have to read between the lines to understand what the point is.

Even the first part of the video which is a benediction by a black minister is revealing. One really funny part is the entrance of the guy who will introduce Howard Dean. They play a Elvis song in the background and you will hear a very Dean-like Yearrrggghhh! from The King. I wondered if that was a meant to disparage Dean (by Hillargy & her supporters?) or if this was supposed to equate Dean to the coolness of Elvis. It is quite easy to hear.

61 metal man  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:55:57pm

Soros sold his soul to the devil for money. Now he is rich but has nobody that likes him (without getting paid). Now he is bitter and want's to punish everyone for his mistake. The only way to do that is to destroy America and all she stands for. If any LGFer were looking for a group you could lead (lieing is allowed) in this direction where would you start your search for minnions?

62 Robert D  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:56:55pm

#53 transferthem

Let us never forget, we are there to kill them, so we don't have to kill them here.

63 Axiom  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 8:58:11pm

#60 2X4 wielder

Dean doens't need any help. He disparages himself repeatedly all by himself.

64 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 9:03:24pm
65 Doss  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 9:09:52pm

#34 Smith Space Technologies
I think a bird dropped something in his head.

66 vero  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 9:12:59pm

“Producing innocent victims creates anger and resentment. And this anger and resentment feeds terrorism


I got $10 bucks that the Asshat Soros doesn't get within 10 miles of a train while in Spain.

Of course, that is just a guess/

67 2X4 wielder  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 9:15:18pm

#63 Axiom -- LOL, very true.

BTW I just reloaded the video from CSPAN and the Yeargh is at about 1:40, The song starts at about 1:39 and has the words "a little less talk and a little more action." Just in case you love hearing the Dean Scream. I know I do. Dean begins his talk (no action) right after that.

Soros starts at about 0:38 mins. He is a very poor speaker so that might put you to sleep. Many times he loses his train of thought and flounders.

68 piniella  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 9:15:29pm

#60 2X4 wielder 3/8/2005 10:54PM PST: "Lots of Moral Relativism and Multiculturalism taken from his hero (Karl Popper)."

This shows your PROFOUND ignorance and sloth. Popper wrote compelling defenses of Liberal Democracy, most notably The Open Society and It's Enemies, and was unalterably opposed to authoritarianism and totalitarianism.

Please show Popper the courtesy of not mentioning his name again until you understand his writings.

69 piniella  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 9:19:33pm

"Our policies in the Middle East fuel Islamic resentment," Vice Adm. Lowell E. Jacoby, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, told the Senate panel. "Overwhelming majorities in Morocco, Jordan and Saudi Arabia believe the U.S. has a negative policy toward the Arab world."

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

70 Iron Eagle  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 9:28:26pm

This is unbearable.

Why is this man free to walk in Spain?

Why is he not in jail for sedition?

71 chevalier de st george  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 9:29:30pm

Dear George
thank you for all the millions you have spent on making sure that the American people re elect george Bush.
And thank God your money making skills are not on par with your political skills.

72 2X4 wielder  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 9:31:30pm

#68 -- obviously we have a Liberal in our midst, or a confused Conservative. Popper was a Moral Relativist. You can't deny that. Moral relativism is the keystone of modern Liberalism. Liberalism has dramatically changed from it's inception. You will not find many people on any side of modern politics that are pro-totalitarianism (which I never mentioned). Listen to Soros on the CSPAN video, he is very very pro-Popper and talks constantly about him and his Relativism. Then tell me if you agree with his interpretation of Popper's philosophy. I was only addressing the Moral Relativism aspect of Popper and how much Soros loves him.

73 doubledip  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 9:49:03pm

In Iraq, he said, "there are more people wanting to kill Americans than there were before. These people didn't think like that before the Americans arrived and did what they did. The attitude of creating innocent victims creates terrorists. It's as simple as that."

The 9/11 terrorists ---

15 from Saudi Arabia
2 from the United Arab Emirates
1 from Lebanon
1 from Egypt

None of their countries were attacked by the U.S. Yet they wanted to kill Americans anyway. These middle-class terrorists, privileged to come to America and could afford 1st-class OW air tickets, were innocent victims of whom?

Their terroristic attitudes were created by radical Islam, Mr. soros.

As a result, there are more Americans (and non-Americans) wanting to expose radical Islam than there were before. These people didn't think like that before the 9/11 terrorists arrived and did what they did. The attitude of creating innocent victims creates people fed up with radical Islam.

It's as simple as that.

74 freedomplow  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 9:49:48pm

Warning! (graphic)


This (is not freedom)... we all kill together on this tiny thing.

[Link: www.zonaeuropa.com...]

This (is freedom)...we all live together on this tiny thing.

[Link: ottawa.rasc.ca...]


freedom...

liberation from slavery or restraint or from the power of another.

75 freedomplow  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 9:58:30pm

show freedom! this is the time we show the way!

76 carridine  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 10:04:18pm

(See back of neck) "Please place boot here!"
(See front of neck) "Please slice here!"

/soros

77 freedomplow  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 10:10:57pm

cute. give up, go to du. (lame a**)

78 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 10:13:38pm
79 manker  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 10:21:57pm

OT:


"Israel's failure to fulfill its commitments is endangering the truce we achieved with the other factions and provides an excuse to those who are against the peace process," Abbas said in a speech before the Palestinian Legislative Council in Ramallah.

What has Abbas done to help the peace process?

These are all the things Israel has done

Can anyone find a link that actually shows Abbas doing anything, besides criticising Israel, and "saying" that he will talk with the terrorists.

80 freedomplow  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 10:24:34pm

a tad ( )runk. sorry. best wishes to the free.

81 baldrick  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 10:24:37pm

"Producing innocent victims creates anger and resentment."

It's funny that the arguments the moonbats use against the US can be turned around on them just as easily. The 9/11 attack stirred up a lot of anger towards the jihadis. The "violence never solves anything" crowd doesn't understand that the phrase "reap what you sow" applies to jihadis as much as anyone else.

82 bourgeoishippy  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 10:26:25pm

Apparently he hasn't been reading the news from the middle east lately. Too bad. Let him slip into (wealthy) irrelevance.

83 2X4 wielder  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 10:30:45pm

#81 baldrick -- actually it applies more to them. We westerners have given them almost everything they have. If not for us inventing cars and electricity and discovering their oil and buying it from them, they would be wandering the desert doing what ever nomadic primatives do. Now they drive cars and talk on cell phones and watch TV. Other than owning oil, I can' think of anything they have done for the world.

84 rightasrain  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 10:30:57pm

#79 manker

Abbas is threatening that terror will start up again if Israel doesn't get into final negotiations asap.

It's to the Balis' advantage if they can get Israel into final negotiations while they still have terror capability, so Abbas is using terrorism as a threat.

His reference is about Israel "providing an excuse to THOSE WHO ARE AGAINST THE PEACE PROCESS" to hit Israel again.

Sharon won't fall for this. No final negotiations will happen until terrorism isn't an option for the Balis anymore. Otherwise, it's always part of the conversation (ie, the Balis will always have the "Give us what we want or we'll kill you" option.)

The terror option has to be stopped.

85 rightasrain  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 10:32:18pm

"Speed up the road map or we'll kill you" isn't surprising coming from good ole "moderate" Abbas, of course.

It was to be expected.

86 2X4 wielder  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 10:38:10pm

#84 rightasrain -- hehe. I love it when people call them Balis or Balistineans. Many people don't know that Palestineans can't pronounce 'Palestine'. They can't say 'P' and so replace it with 'B'. The Romans named the region Palestine. So much for ancient heritage. There are no real Palestineans.

87 metal man  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 10:45:41pm

#69 piniella 3/8/2005 11:19PM PST

I've never seen my last name in a post before so I feel compelled to write a response.
2 points They will either hate us forever if we roll with the status quo of the past 30+ years or we can change tack.
I believe you are saying the winds of hate blowing from the ME are against us. Well any good sailor would change tack in that situation. We have been gliding along on the winds of hatred going further and further off the course of peace since the Beirut attack against our marines.
The Captain of that time said stay the course the winds will change. We continued on that course until the 1st WTC bombing, again the Captain said stay the course the winds will change.

TheWTC attack on 9/11/2001 proved the winds were not going to change so our new Captain said tack right and we stared to move against that evil wind. Tacking is a slower more difficult process but gets us closer to our destination the island of a Constitutional Republic from which Democracy can be planted .

We will have to wait to see if it can grow in this soil ravaged by the winds of evil but the shoots of young plants are beginning to show. Where there was no hope now there is much. The soil seems to grow richer each day and if these fields are left to the forces of natural law they will flourish into productive, happy areas that will spread the weed of hate no more.

I applogize for the sapiness, mixed metaphors and length but got a wild hair.

world." A better article on Arab hatred of the us By a Jacoby

88 rightasrain  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 10:46:50pm

#86 2X4 wielder

It's amazing, isn't it, that so many people refer to them as a people when there has never been a history of this people prior to 1968.

Even the UN never mentioned an ancient "Palestinian people" until after they were invented in the late 1960s.

RFK was killed by a "Jordanian" in mid-1968.

Sirhan Sirhan was born in Jerusalem.

89 2X4 wielder  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 10:59:58pm

#88 rightasrain -- yes, from my anthropology class in college I learned that ancient cultures named themselves. Most of the the time, the name would translate as, The People or Human Beings. The modern Palestineans call themselves after the term some Roman Emperor put to the region to annoy the Hebrews who were a pain in his side. The area was previously called Judea (by the Romans) I think. If there had been a Palestinean people they would not have used a Latin term to name themselves.

90 rightasrain  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 11:06:06pm

#89 2X4 wielder

If there had been a Palestinean people they would not have used a Latin term to name themselves.

You're absolutely right.

When people tell me that they are a real people, I ask them why they forgot to name themselves and their nation.

Every little offshoot of a splinter of an offshoot of a splinter terror group has a fancy Arabic name.

If they can think to name a few guys plotting to blow themselves up, why didn't this "people" take a moment in the last several thousands of years to name their whole nation? :)

91 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 11:08:01pm

There were more German soldiers who wanted to kill Jews after the Warsaw ghetto uprising, Soros.

92 rightasrain  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 11:11:20pm

Destroying an entire nation's economy creates hatred, Soros.

Have you used your billions lately to go back and repair any nations that you've damaged?

93 Miggie  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 11:19:32pm

There are few human qualities that are worse than ingratitude. Soros seems to have no comprehension of that basic fact.

If he doesn't like it here, he should take his billions and his fat ass and big mouth and go someplace else and never come back here again.

He is as hateful as the "counter- recruiters."

94 rightasrain  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 11:25:39pm

After all the damage he'd done in the world, he decided that he'd been thinking way too small.

So he set his sights on trying to damage America.

On November 3rd, my second happiest moment was a three-way tie in wondering how Kerry, Moore and Soros felt when 60+ million people blew a very large raspberry at the whole bunch of 'em. :)

95 2X4 wielder  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 11:33:52pm

Soros had said that if Bush won the election, "I shall go into some kind of monastery to reflect. ... I will be asking what's wrong with us.''

If only.

96 rightasrain  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 11:38:35pm

Imagine if every billionaire in America announced that they felt the need to decide the next Presidential election.

"I'm Joe Billionaire and I didn't become this rich without figuring that it ought to give me the right to determine the outcome of the next U.S. Presidential election. Don't bother campaigning or voting. It's all up to me now and I'll let you know my decision when I'm ready."

The ultimate reality show. :/

97 2X4 wielder  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 11:48:26pm

#96 rightasrain -- esp imagine if said millionaire was not a Liberal. Imagine the wails from the Left. "Plutocracy!" The Right thinks of Soros the same way we think of LaRouche. A few bricks short of a full load. Pay him little mind.

Not to harp on Mutliculturalism and Moral Relativism too much, but have you noticed how it does not apply to Conservative culture? Everyone is right in their own way except Republicans and Conservatives. How nuanced.

98 rightasrain  Tue, Mar 8, 2005 11:55:44pm

#97 2X4 wielder

Everyone is right in their own way except Republicans and Conservatives.

Yeah, even mass murderers are 'right in their own way' (with their own personal 'my truth' stories that bring a tear to the eye for libs) but libs are stone cold when it comes to Conservatives.

99 manker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 12:31:51am
In Iraq, he said, “there are more people wanting to kill Americans than there were before. These people didn’t think like that before the Americans arrived and did what they did. The attitude of creating innocent victims creates terrorists. It’s as simple as that.”

Except that Saddam celebrated 9/11, and was spewing hatred of the US well before the invasion of Iraq.

And Syria and Egypt are back at the old tricks

Syria: Jews use hot pokers to gouge Palestinians' eyes, Damascus releases updated 'Protocols' book filled with canards about 'treacherous' Zionists

100 2X4 wielder  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 12:33:34am

#98 rightasrain -- I know, those poor murderers. What did they ever do to deserve their fate. Heck, Charlie Manson never even killed anybody (that we know of) and he is still locked up after all these so many years. Just for asking his friends to cut open a pregnant woman as a ritual sacrifice to Satan. I say a prayer for him every night. (well ok, I lied about that last part). We must save the murderers. Oops, sounds like I am spouting off about Palestineans again.

101 BBEV  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 12:43:12am

This guy is a real asshole. BUSH WON already. And get the hell out of America. I would like to ask him “ At what point do you stop turning the other cheek “. 3000 Americans killed on 9-11 , next it would have been 100,000. Could we than respond or just do nothing. Remember George those that turn bombs into plowshares will soon be plowing for those that don‘t.

102 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 1:05:01am

#100 2X4 wielder

Libs are intellectually, emotionally and spiritually bankrupt - they're like a psycho-blender with only two settings:

1. Maudlin crybaby who over-emotes about absolutely everything to the point where he or she becomes hysterical about the slightest setback (and then gets together with others to congratulate each other about how hard they've each cried.)

2. Completely and utterly vicious.

103 insane_kufr  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 1:12:05am
“there are more people wanting to kill Americans than there were before. These people didn’t think like that before the Americans arrived and did what they did. The attitude of creating innocent victims creates terrorists. It’s as simple as that.”

If we look at each statement by George we can see that they are all speculation presented as fact: there are more people wanting to kill Americans than there were before, really? Does George attempt to back this statement up with anything like statistics, or any quantifying proof? No.
But, it convenienently(sp?) sounds spot on lefty.

These people didn’t think like that before the Americans arrived and did what they did.

oh yes they did, the difference is that the Americans hadn't presented themselves in their neighborhood before.

The attitude of creating innocent victims creates terrorists. This is the old stand by canard about American's as "war criminals", we can't engage in a conflict
ANYWHERE in the world without being branded "war criminal". A hard cold fact of life is that a combat zone is by definition a LETHAL ENVIRONMENT!
If you're concerned about you and your families welfare and safety - GET THE HELL OUT!

104 LC LaWedgie  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 1:14:04am

NASCAR Hires former Kerry-Edwards 2004 Campaign Mgr:

NASCAR announced the hiring of Marcus Jadotte to manage NASCAR’s national media outreach efforts. Jadotte will be based in NASCAR’s Daytona Beach headquarters and will be responsible for strategic planning and execution of all media outreach efforts nationally.

[Link: stratos.motorsport.com...]

105 2X4 wielder  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 1:24:19am

LC La Wedgie -- eggzellant! I will have to file that away for future use. How Red State of him. I guess a LLLeopard can change (flip-flop) his spots if it is convienient. Too funny!

106 Terrye  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 1:30:44am

I take it when Soros is talking aobut terrorism he is talking about jihadis. So far the Spanish have failed to give into ETA. Maybe he is saying they should.

The man can not make that kind of money and be stupid, but then again Einstein coud not drive a car.

107 rednaxela  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 1:37:33am

#103 insane_kufr

Indeed. The false premise that all these leftist wackos base their conclusions on is that anyone who practices terror must have been victimized at an earlier stage.

108 rednaxela  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 1:39:13am

#106 Terrye

There's a lot of very stupid, very rich people out there.

Being one certainly doesn't exclude the other (and vice versa).

109 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 1:52:37am

Certainly a picture to have fought and fight for: Iraqi women attend a Baghdad rally Tuesday calling for women's rights, a secular government and an end to the U.S.-led occupation of the country. Women make up 31 percent of Iraq’s new parliament, Reuters reports.

I salute all of those who have fallen whose ultimate sacifice made that picture and day possible.

(P.S. For Cnn & al-Reuters: The U.S. no longer occupies Iraq, today the Ock-U-Pay-Tion is at the behest of your beloved terrorists. Can you understand that? Simply put is says, ‘F-U-C-& Y-O-U!’)

110 Live_Free_Or_Die~!  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:08:33am

OT - yesterday I followed some links from the Car story, somehow found myslef in a maze of US Military is BAD, US is BAD, etc type websites... well when I finally got disgusted enough I start closing links... when on 1 I noticed a Paypal Donate button.

Since all those sites had me in an evil mindset I decided to donate... but I donated .05 cents... and since Paypal charges .35 cents per transaction my "donation" actually ended as a negative .30 cent charge...just a little thing but it did make me smile.

But maybe I shouldn't post this out in the open... so delete if you wish Charles.

111 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:11:26am

#110:

Heh. I'm smilin' too.

112 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:12:03am

Mr. Idiot Soros, let me untwist your reasonong for you: Terrorists, by killing innocent people (3,000 of them on 9/11)
have created healthy hate and resentment which already is motivating the brave people of the world -not including you apparently- to wipe out the terrorists. There. see if your brain can contain this thought.

113 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:22:56am

george and his monies are always around for a good laugh.

remember his millions donated to the democrats.

BHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAH.

george ill join you

for say, 5,000,000 us dollars.


please call me at 1-800-dum-asses.

114 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:27:17am

Uhm, I'd like to set up The Soros Center for the Study of the Root Causes of Terrorism...

Call me, Georgie...

115 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:29:24am

#114 Golden Jerusalem

Call me, Georgie...

LOL! :)

Good afternoon, Golden Jerusalem!

116 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:31:21am

#104
NASCAR Hires former Kerry-Edwards 2004 Campaign Mgr:.

well, i figure he will be right at home,
nascar only goes around in circles anyway.

117 Roger  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:32:59am

I suppose it never would occur to Soros that terrorism creates hate?

118 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:37:32am

#115 rightasrain:

How you doin'?

If I didn't have this damned cold, which has turned my brain into mush, I'd problably be able to think of a title for the first study issued by The Soros Center for the Study of the Root Causes of Terrorism...

*sniffles* :-(

Wait, how 'bout:

"Charity and Kindergartens" - How the West Misunderstood the Hamas

Hmmm?

119 kstagger  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:41:10am

Soros who? Oh that guy who blew millions backing a losing canidate. Yeah, his word is good for uh, nothing.

120 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:44:07am

#118 Golden Jerusalem

If I didn't have this damned cold, which has turned my brain into mush, I'd problably be able to think of a title for the first study issued by The Soros Center for the Study of the Root Causes of Terrorism...

Yeah, I know how ya feel about the cold.

I was figuring last week that the entire Jewish community in my state has the same cold, but now I think it's the entire state that has it (I'm hearing my same cough everywhere I go.)

Now I'm thinkin' that this same cold has made its way around the world! :(

The Soros Center for the Study of the Root Causes of Terrorism...

Heehee! Not sure about titles for the study, but I'll help you put some thought to it if we can split the first couple Soros millions. :)

121 alkmyst  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:48:05am

Verdicts from the SEC fraud committee:

Martha Stewart: 5 months and house arrest, severe limits on her right to return ti run her business.

George Soros: Free as a jaybird.

Maybe the blogosphere might find out who's making the judgements on what constitutes fraud here?

122 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:50:47am

#121:

Hi alkmyst,

I saw your response on the other thread about the disengagement BTW.

As far as Soros goes, wasn't he convicted of insider trading in France, or does he also have a similar conviction in the US?

I only heard about the France thing, where he wound up paying a fine of EUR 2.2 M.

123 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:54:00am
Now I'm thinkin' that this same cold has made its way around the world! :

bird flu, perhaps?

AAA!


Just kidding, of course. It sucks though, that much is sure.

124 DBN  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:54:01am

Maybe it already exists, but it would be nice to see some of the major bloggers post (or start a new blog) a tally sheet of Soros' money-making activities and the impact (financial, social, etc.) that it has on the countries that he's fleecing. These activities could then become major talking points for Republicans/Conservatives in upcoming elections for tying together Soros and the Democratic Party "platform".

125 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:56:21am

#123 Golden Jerusalem

Just kidding, of course. It sucks though, that much is sure.

LOL!

Yeah, I'm most of the way through it now, I hope.

Best wishes on feeling better yourself, Golden Yerushalayim!

126 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:56:41am

He's right, it does create "hate".

As in, I hate him.

127 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:57:50am

#124:

Well, he certainly managed to f*ck up old England, that's for sure.

From my narrow egoist perspective that worked out pretty good, as I spent some time in London back in 1992 and got an app. 25% discount on currency exchange, courtesy of Georgie-boy.

128 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:59:09am

OT

Crowe Shocked by Al-Qaeda Kidnap Threat


Hollywood superstar Russell Crowe was stunned to discover he was a kidnap target for Muslim terrorist group Al-qaeda. The Federal Bureau Of Investigation warned Crowe and a number of other big screen stars prior to the 2001 Academy Awards that Osama Bin Laden wanted to kidnap them - nine months before Bin Laden spearheaded the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington DC. New Zealand-born Crowe says, "That was the first conversation in my life that I'd ever heard the phrase al-Qaeda. And it was something to do with some recording picked up by a French policewoman, I think, in either Libya or Algiers. I don't think that I was the only person. But it was about - and here's another little touch of irony - it was about taking iconographic Americans out of the picture as a sort of cultural-destabilization plan." Following the warning, Crowe was accompanied to the Oscars - where he picked up the Best Actor award for Gladiator - by FBI agents, who also guarded him while he shot subsequent movies A Beautiful Mind and Master And Commander. He jokes, "I never fully understood what the f**k was going on. Suddenly it looks like I think I'm f**king Elvis Presley, because everywhere I go there are all these FBI guys."

http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2005-03-09/

129 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:00:53am

#125 rightasrain:

Yeah, I caught it from my oldest son, who's now better, so I guess another 2-3 days and I'll be past the worst.

This year has been an annus horribilis as far as colds and flu go. Hell, I even had an ear infection back in December.

It's been a cold winter here, so I guess that might explain it.

130 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:02:47am

#128 Hila

Ok, I guess I need to issue an apology to Russell Crowe for what I was thinking on the night he had those FBI bodyguards at the 2001 Academy Awards.

I admit that I thought he rented them to look cool. :(

Sorry, Mr. Crowe, sir.

131 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:06:02am

Good morning (or whatever), LGF. As I mentioned some days back, Tongue Tied is back to it's regular self (the guest blaggers are gone), and, as always, there are some gems. A sample:

Back to You, NCAA

Students and administrators at the University of North Carolina at Pembroke are resisting pressure from the NCAA to change the name of their team name, the Braves, to something less racially offensive, reports the Associated Press.

The NCAA has compiled a list of about 30 schools with Native American logos, nicknames or mascots that it wants replaced. But UNC-Pembroke officials said the Braves logo is part of their heritage, and wouldn’t ya know it -- they’re right.

The university campus is in the center of the region the Lumbee tribe calls home and was founded exclusively for Native Americans in 1887. It’s didn't integrate until 1953, and about 20 percent of current students are Native American.

"The thing about it athletically was, when it was all American Indians, the leaders at the school and the student body referred to themselves as Braves," Athletic Director Dan Kenney said. "Nothing has changed. Our community wants that link back to our origins."

Heh. Where's Chutch when you need him ?

132 conservative.eyes  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:07:22am

Nepalese Waiting for a Democratic Leader

"More than a month after King Gyanendra took over control of Nepal and imposed a state of emergency, many Nepalese are craving democracy, despite disillusionment with the country's first 14 years of democratic rule."

133 hm  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:07:28am

#127 Golden Jerusalem

Actually, he inadvertently saved Britain's ass.

That day spelled the end of Britain's EURO ambitions which in turn was the basis for the economic strength evidenced now.

I just read the other day that those 3 countries who opted out of the EURO, i.e. Denmark, Sweden and the UK, are at the top of the EU growth and employment statistics.

134 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:08:21am

#128 Hila:

Hey, ma einianim betel aviv?

At gam metzunenet?

135 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:12:02am

#133:

Yes and no. It was his speculation against the GBP, which busted up the EMU cooperation on currencies and allowed the Pound to float.

But OTOH the impact on the British economy was pretty devastasting and led to a recession, lotsa people losing jobs, businesses going under, real estate market crashing, etc., etc.

The Eurozone is a joke, though. The Growth and Stability Pact should be renamed as the "Stable Zero-Growth Pact".

136 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:12:05am

# 133 hm

Right you are. And there you are ! Wondered if the morning crowd had shifted during my enforced absence. Where's Mr. Pol ?

137 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:13:18am

#134

Hi Golden Jerusalem,

It rained a bit, but it's not cold. The winter was very short this year. What a lame winter!

Ani lo metzunenet, ata ken? Misken, targish tov.

138 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:13:33am
139 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:15:36am

#130 rightasrain

Hollywood is on the target list, how ironic.

140 Smit  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:15:44am

Morning all!

OT - This is a positive developement. Men in Bangladesh pledging not to throw acid over women.

Dhaka men in acid attacks protest

Oh and Mukhtar Mai, the pakistani woman gang raped to collectively punish her family has set up a foundation to build schools in the tribal region, and has already set up a girls school.


Mukhtar Mai Girls' School

141 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:15:45am

#131 Mike in Beijing:

Good evening (must be 9:12 PM),

Yeah, that's rich. It's like Jewish fans of Tottenham Hotspur in the English Premiership cannot call themselves "Yiddos", because that's racially offensive as well.

PC in its ultimate consequence, it's truly absurd.

142 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:20:19am

Golden Jerusalem & Hila,

Thanks for today's Hebrew lesson!

I got it! :)

143 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:20:43am

# 138 American Infidel

Ah, If only a "tank" had indeed opened fire and sprayed them with a few hundred rounds of .50 BMG. We wouldn't be hearing word one out of her. Hell, they'd still be looking for itty-bitty bits of her scattered over several acres. While it is most certainly true that Darwin Ahkbar, remember also that F=MA. And F bloody well rules.

144 Mr Pol  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:20:59am

OT:U.N. must accept Hezbollah, Annan says

UNITED NATIONS -- The United Nations must recognize Hezbollah as a force to be reckoned with in implementing the U.N. resolution calling for the withdrawal of all Syrian forces from Lebanon and the disarmament of the country's militias, Secretary-General Kofi Annan said Tuesday.

"Join the UN, travel the world, screw the Jews, meet exotic children... and rape 'em"

145 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:21:14am

#137 Hila:

Hmm, I thought the winter was really cold and rainy this year.

I could've sworn, we've had nights with temperatures around 8 Celsius.

I had to fire up the mazgan with the heat thru the winter. Nice electricity bills ensued :>((

Then again, I've only been in this country for about seven years, so my basis for comparison is limited. Although I visited Jerusalem as a kid back in 1981 and there was snow, which kinda blew my mind.

/Toda. Ze y'avor.

146 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:22:11am

#142

Where are you from rightasrain? Do you know Hebrew well?

147 hm  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:22:45am

BTW, it has come to my attention that students of History at the University fo Melbourne are being given lectures titled:

"Since the Predator Came: A Survey of Native North America since 1492"

In preparation for the course, students have been instructed to read:

From a Native Son: Selected Essays on Indigenism, 1985-1995

By none other than our old friend Ward Churchill

Unfortunately the students who pointed this out to me have asked me not to complain directly since they fear that by doing so, the issue may be traced back to them.

Anyway the Head of the History Department is called Professor Charles Zika, and can be reached here:

c.zika@unimelb.edu.au

The lecturer of the course in question is called Dr. Glenn Moore and can be reached here:

g.moore@history.unimelb.edu.au


Since the course will start next week, please do feel free to let these people know how you feel about the required reading for the American History class and, for that matter, how you feel about the native son. (and as always, keep it clean!)

148 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:24:05am
149 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:24:55am

#145 Golden Jerusalem

You are from Givataim, right? Jerusalem is much colder and they have snow too. I hate them! I want snow too. TA is not cold, we had a few cold days but that's it.

Are you from originally?

150 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:25:13am

#146 Hila

ani americait. ani mevinah ktsat ivrit. loh kolkach tov.

151 Beagle  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:25:30am

Let's review, shall we?

Soviets invade Afghanistan (1979). Jihadis go crazy, come from all over Muslim world (Earth to them). Much of the modern jihad movement cut its teeth in Afghanistan.

Carter doesn't back Shah of Iran (1979). Calls Khomeni a "man of God". Crazy Islamists have first major victory in modern era.

Jihadis (HizbAllah) kill Marines in Beirut (1983). Reagan runs away.

Gulf War 1990-1. Saudi Arabia pisses off Osama for picking U.S. to defend Saudi Arabia from Saddam over Osama's ragtag band of jihadis.

In 1993 there is the first WTC attack.

In late 1993 Clinton runs from Somalia after al Qaeda trained jihadis put an end to the humanitarian food turned manhunt mission. Les Aspin had previously said armored vehicles would provoke the Somalis so our troops had to fight with Humvees and choppers only. I like to remind people that stupid political decisions get our troops killed more often than anything the actual troops do.

In 1996 Islamists blow up American (Saudi) barracks in 1996.

In 1996 Clinton refuses to take out Osama in Sudan for "lack of probable cause". Later he refuses to attack Osama because some low-level Arab royal is in the area.

In 1998 Osama blows up two U.S. embassies in Africa.

In 2000 Arab al Qaeda terrorists with help from nation-states and Yemen in particular use a shaped charge to attack the USS Cole.

During the entire so-called peace process Clinton allows Arafat to work with Islamists and attack Israel so he can work on his 'legacy' by forcing Israeli concessions for no reduction - actually a massive increase - in violence. Syria, Iraq, and Iran become even more major players in terrorism than they were before.

*That's a tiny list of some of the notable events*

Bush elected. Sworn in January, 2001.

NOW the jihadists are pissed? What, exactly, were they before?

152 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:25:50am

#144 Mr. Pol:

How thoroughly unexpected and predictable.

I wonder if Kofi's gonna be going to the funeral of terrorist Maskhadov (Beslan massacre "mastermind") in Chechnya as well?

After all, Maskhadov was once the head of a "legitimate political party" once.

We were jokin' about that last night. Doesn't seem so far-fetched, after all.

153 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:26:12am

# 141 Golden Jerusalem

Good evening (must be 9:12 PM),

Yup, just about right.

Yeah, that's rich. It's like Jewish fans of Tottenham Hotspur in the English Premiership cannot call themselves "Yiddos", because that's racially offensive as well.

OK, you gotta help me out here, 'cause I'm not Jewish. Is that term "Yiddos" derived from Yiddish or something ? Also, I don't follow ANY sports, and most certainly not soccer, or as I like to refer to it, "the game with no season."

154 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:26:30am

PIMF:

"Unexpected", replace with "expected"

155 Smit  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:27:27am

OT - Melanie Phillips is under attack by David Duke.

Apparently he has attacked her on his website for condemning London Mayor "Red Ken" Livingstone & his anti-Semetic rants. I refuse to go to his site.

Melanie's post about it is here.

Ever reasonable, Melanie states;

Duke's rantings graphically illustrate what has long been apparent -- that there is now an extraordinary axis linking neo-Nazis or white supremacists, the left and radical Islam, who come together in their hatred of Israel and the Jews.

What I wonder is, if the impossible happens and the neo-Nazis, communists and Islamists (but I repeat myself) win... who will win the later fight between those three groups?

156 hm  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:28:46am

#135 Golden Jerusalem

Like yourself, I lived in London during the early 90s and my distinct impression was that the economy was heading south at that time anyway.

Leaving the ERM is the best thing that could have ever happened to the UK. God only knows why they joined in the first place.

If anything, leaving the ERM considerably shortened the recession.

157 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:29:25am

#150

Haivrit shelach tova meod. :-)

158 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:31:47am

#149 Hila:

In the immortal words of Mik Jagger:

You can't always get what you want

Well, I've seen enough snow in my life, it's kinda lost it's novelty.

I'm originally from Denmark. Lots of snow there, lately.

#153 Mike C:

"Yid" is originally a derogatory Russian term for "Jew".

The fans took to calling themselves Yiddos to counter racist abouse from other teams' supporters.

BTW, "soccer" does have a season. The English season runs from August thru May, but in countries with hard winters they do a winter break, etc.

159 AW  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:31:59am

The winter was very nasty in Jerusalem, and it's not over.

Forecast: 1-5 C on Shabbat.

160 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:32:15am

#157 Hila

Lo lo lo lo lo... :)

Aval todah rabah!

161 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:33:55am

Hila,

One thing I learned in Israel is that one never just says "Lo."

It's "Lo lo lo lo lo..." :-)

It took me forever to wrap my tongue around that, too.

It's easier to say "No no no no no." :)

Now I can say it, though.

162 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:34:09am

131 Mike C.

My daughter and some friends formed an intermural dodge ball team that she devised the name for (it's good that she can contribute something since she can't play the game):

The Jayzens.

What's the Jayzens? The Jews and Asians. That's who's on the team? Mostly. So when we get our asses handed to us, we can at least say, "That's ok. We get good grades!"

Hard to be PC when you have a wicked sense of humor.

163 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:35:29am

rightasrain:

Was I talking to you about this (maybe I'm confused?), you're plannig to make aliyah?

164 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:36:14am

#163 Golden Jerusalem

Ken ken ken ken ken... :)

Yes, I'm moving over later this year!

165 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:36:17am

# 145 Golden Jerusalem

Although I visited Jerusalem as a kid back in 1981 and there was snow, which kinda blew my mind.

Gosh, guy, if you live in a climate where it doesn't snow every year, you need to either gain some altitude or get further the hell away from the equator. Not that I'm a big fan of snow per se, but no snow usually = no Fall.

# 147 hm

Ah, there you are ! Yeah, disgusting, ain't it ?

# 148 American Infidel

Force = Mass times Acceleration

166 hm  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:37:10am

#151 Beagle

Carter doesn't back Shah of Iran. (1979)


That's a somewhat euphemistic description.

167 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:37:22am

#158 Golden Jerusalem

Denmark, eh? Well then I'm sure you are sick of snow, you must like the hot weather here. How is Denmark? I've never been there.


#159 AW

Yeah, I know, Jerusalem has a real winter, unlike us here in TA. :-(

168 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:38:40am

#164 rightasrain:

Yeah, I thought so. My brain's not all mush :>)))

Are you planning to study or work in a profession?

169 Beagle  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:38:42am

It's brutally cold here, 12 degrees (um, C). We almost had a Winter. My lime tree is producing so much I haven't bought any at the store in months. I could cover it with a pillowcase four years ago.

Plus, we stole the 2000 election. How can you beat that? What should I do with the boxes of Gore ballots in my garage?


/Waiting for DU post quoting me.

170 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:39:46am

#168 Golden Jerusalem

Work in a profession (already set up.)

171 Joel  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:40:17am

As I posted several weeks ago, Soros is so evil that he reminds me of a villain in a James Bond movie.

172 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:41:11am

rightasrain

Ken, ken, ken. At tzudeket. We want to make sure we are understood. ;-)

173 peggie  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:42:02am

155 smit admittedly, i haven't invested much time looking at dufar but, i vaguely remember an article about sudan and dufar. the christians who were the first victims of this conflict were aiding the new victims. the point that was being made was that the newer victims were used by the government to eliminate the first. now the hammer is being used against them. black islamists used to kill or displace black christians and animalists. now the black islamists are too black, so... perfect example of what will happen if the 3 groups were left. they'll turn on each other. ot, but isn't there oil in sudan...seems i heard something to this...would it be islamists killing and torturing for oil as opposed to u.s.

174 southernborn  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:42:17am

we need a constutional amendment for proven enemies of the united states. and thats a proven enemy if i ever saw one. would someone take out the trash

175 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:42:30am

What a coincidence! It's 12 degrees (F) here. My lawn is producing so many snowballs I can't keep up, and to think that only five months ago I was mowing it. Nope, don't get no better than this.

176 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:42:43am

#164 rightasrain

Mazal tov!

177 greenmamba  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:42:52am
Producing innocent victims creates anger and resentment.

No poo Poirot! 3,000 x 9/11 victims are an example. America is angry. Now move.org aside little George, there's work to do.

178 hm  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:43:00am

#165 Mike C.

The worst of it is that these kids are too afraid too voice there concerns with the relevant people for fear of being given bad grades or similar treatment.

That's what this has come to. It perpetuates this cycle whereby the people running the universities are able to continue living in a their little vacuum.

I just hope some of the folks here will take the opportunity to write to those people and let them know hwo we feel about the native son.

Btw, anyone seen Ariana around here?

179 Beagle  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:43:43am

#166 hm

That's a somewhat euphemistic description.


Would you prefer I write a book? We lost valuable listening posts, gained a regime which was just as oppressive, and infinitely more hostile to the United States. The same nation which is now going to mass produce nuclear weapons to destroy Israel and establish a global caliphate. The same nation which cooperates with al Qaeda.

If the U.S. had backed the Shah the LLL media would have gone insane. It was a "student protest" after all. Their 1960's blinders were on then, and remain on now. However, if we had backed the Shah he likely would have remained in power. What happens after that is anyone's guess.

Nothing personal to anyone, but there are a whole bunch of Baby Boomers whose death would greatly benefit this nation.

180 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:43:46am

#172 Hila

We want to make sure we are understood. ;-)

Yeah, I got that impression when I was in Israel. :)

"Would you like extra tomatoes on that?"

"No thank you."

"Lo lo lo lo lo extra tomatoes."

"Righto!" ;-)

181 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:44:17am

#167 Hila:

Denmark's all right, I guess. I grew up around Copenhagen, which is very liberal. If I should compare, i guess I'd choose to compare it with Amsterdam.

Copenhagen is a beautiful city (in the summer). It's covered in snow now, though.

I prefer the warm weather here, even if the lachud kills me in the summertime.

funny thing is, I've grown more used to the heat and the cold feels much worse now.

When I was here back in 1998, I was swimming in the Med in early March!

No way in HELL I'd do that now!

182 alkmyst  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:45:46am

Good Afternoon, Yerushalyim Zahav and good morning rightasrain,

before we get into the thick of it today :-)
I'm at work and can only sporadically post. I'm with my professor right now going over stuff like this:

In this study, polyurethane/organically modified layered silicate (organoclay) nanocomposites were prepared
through in situ polymerization in the presence of organoclay. Phase morphology of the polyurethane/organoclay nanocomposite
was investigated by small-angle X-ray scattering (SAXS) and atomic force microscopy (AFM).

So I'll be a little preoccupied, because I barely get a break until about 5 PM EST

183 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:45:54am

#180 rightasrain

LOL, I think you are ready now to make aliya. ;-)

184 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:46:02am

# 158 Golden Jerusalem

Yid" is originally a derogatory Russian term for "Jew".

Ah well - see there ? I learn something new every day. They didn't teach that at St. Thomas Moore.

BTW, "soccer" does have a season. The English season runs from August thru May, but in countries with hard winters they do a winter break, etc.

Pardon my French, but bullshit. I travel all over the world at all times of the year, and believe me, there is ALWAYS fucking soccer on and in the news. Always. I most sincerely wish I was wrong, but I'm not. It just never ends. Oh yes, it may stop for a while in the UK or any other individual country, but believe me, it is always going on somewhere. All the damned time.

# 162 littleoldlady

Heh.

185 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:46:31am

#170 rightasrain:

Good for you. It's always best to plan well in advance. It's quite a change, I guarantee ya.

Where are you from in the States?

186 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:46:34am

#176 Hila

Mazal tov!

Thanks! I can hardly wait!

187 hm  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:48:23am

#179 Beagle

Naturally, I agree with all that you said.

It's just that not backing the Shah wasn't nearly as bad as backing the crazed oppostition in the name of "Human Rights".

188 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:48:32am

#185 Golden Jerusalem

Where are you from in the States?

East Coast, West Coast, and in the middle. :)

Seriously!

Blue, blue then RED state person.

189 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:50:47am

#184 Mike C:

Ah, but then you have the World Cup, the European championships and other regional titles for national teams every 2-4 years.

And pre-season friendlies...

And int'l qualifiers...

And various regional cup competitions...

And the South America seasons are different, so yeah...

I heard that soccer-craze is sweeping China as well...

190 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:51:47am

#181 Golden Jerusalem

I was born here and I'm not used to this hot weather. I like being in TA, but sometimes I feel like moving to the north becasue the weather there is better and there's actually fresh air there. Something that you can't find here in TA.

I can understand why you are more sensitive now to cold weather, it happens with many immigrants who come from cold countries.

191 AW  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:51:55am

#145 Golden Jerusalem

Let me get this straight.. you live in Israel, post under the nick "Golden Jerusalem" but haven't been to Jerusalem since 1981?

192 xlibseezlight  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:52:00am

#153 Mike C and #158 Golden Jerusalem:

I think the term "Yid" is a Yiddush word derived from the Hebrew word for Jew, "Yehudi". Also, I don't think it's necessarily derogatory, especially when used among Yiddish speaking Jews.

193 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:52:16am

#112 Ojoe

Mr. Idiot Soros, let me untwist your reasonong for you: Terrorists, by killing innocent people (3,000 of them on 9/11)
have created healthy hate and resentment which already is motivating the brave people of the world -not including you apparently- to wipe out the terrorists. There. see if your brain can contain this thought.

Yes, and I don't want anybody to lose track of the fact that they tried to kill @ 70,000 innocent people and may have succeeded if the planes would have (a) hit lower, and (b) hit later in the day, if the plane that was brought down in Pennsylvania had hit its target, and if the plane that hit the Pentagon hadn't hit a largely empty newly renovated area.

They also tried to kill tens of thousands in the first world trade center bombing. The reaction to that should have been devastating. I hope somebody is taking notes on this...when an enemy is trying their best to kill lots of your citizens and f*cks up, don't give them additional chances. Kill them.

194 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:53:09am

#183 Hila

LOL, I think you are ready now to make aliya. ;-)

LOL! :)

Not quite, but I'm gettin' there.

I guess I do already look ready, tho, because I couldn't believe how many people asked me for directions in Hebrew in Israel.

At first, I'd say, "Shalom?"

They'd say in English, "YOU'RE AMERICAN! WELCOME!"

Later, I learned to say real fast that I had no idea what they were asking and that I'm American (as if they couldn't guess.) :)

I had the time of my LIFE in Israel! No kidding!

195 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:53:53am

#182 alkmyst:

Damn! Now I understand why your nick is "alkmyst", LOL.

196 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:54:16am

#186 rightasrain

Have you already chosen a location here in Israel?

197 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:54:44am

# 182 alkmyst

In this study, polyurethane/organically modified layered silicate (organoclay) nanocomposites were prepared
through in situ polymerization in the presence of organoclay. Phase morphology of the polyurethane/organoclay nanocomposite

was investigated by small-angle X-ray scattering (SAXS) and atomic force microscopy (AFM).

OK, I got the small-angle X-ray scattering bit, but what is atomic force microscopy ? And what is an organoclay ? A 'clay' class silicate with carbon atoms included ? I'm just a plain old rock guy, myself.

198 TMF  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:58:20am

It happened over 3 years ago. In one day- ONE F'ING DAY, 3,000 completely innocent humans were slaughtered on our soil.

And people like Soros, and Chomsky, and HVT, and piniella, and all the little trolls who come to this site to spout their venom, have either forgotten completely, or simply do not give a crap.

To their diseased (and I use that term in the literal sense, I believe that these people are mentally deranged in one way or other) minds, this event was nothing more than a launching pad to rhetorically attack America. To blame. To finger point.

And 3,000 are gone. Forever.

Can you believe that?

IT boggles the mind, it really does. I will never understand these people. Never.

199 Smit  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:58:41am
200 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:58:48am

#169 Beagle

Plus, we stole the 2000 election. How can you beat that? What should I do with the boxes of Gore ballots in my garage?

Dang, could you Fed Ex 'em up to me? It's gonna be in the 30s tomorrow (shuddering in anticipation) and I think I'll start a bonfire out by the feed room and could use the paper to help start it. OTOH, maybe I could just burn the feed room instead of cleaning it out.

201 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:59:20am

#194 rightasrain

That's good, you are starting to blend in. :-)

It's easy to recognize American accents. I had an American lecturer, he had a very heavy accent, and the way he pronounced my name was hilarious!

202 mollyshark  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:59:23am

#150 rightasrain

Gum ani!

203 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 3:59:51am

#196 Hila

Have you already chosen a location here in Israel?

East or south of Yerushalayim (M.A. or G.E.)

Still looking, though.

204 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:01:05am

Multi-posting

#190 Hila:

Yeah, personally I'd like to live somewhere like the Galil or the Golan, but the work situation wouldn't allow it. Maybe I'll retire there some day :>))

#191 AW:

No, I was in J'lem with my family visiting from Denmark back in 1981. The snow and the cold blew my mind, I was expecting biblical type scenery like my Dad had told me about, when explaining Torah to me and stuff.

I go to Jerusalem every now and then to visit.

#192 xlib:

Yeah, sorta like how blacks can use the "N" word to eachoter, but "Yid" in Russian is definitely derogatory in meaning, as far as I'm aware.

205 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:02:32am

#175 Peacekeeper

What a coincidence! It's 12 degrees (F) here. My lawn is producing so many snowballs I can't keep up, and to think that only five months ago I was mowing it. Nope, don't get no better than this.

Wow! Can you put big ol' snowballs in a catapult and fling 'em at other people's yards? Seems like it would be way more entertaining than shoveling walks, and the kids would probably knock you out of the way to get ammo, I mean snow.

Maybe I ought to look into moving up north. Wonder if they have laws against flingin' snow.

206 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:03:14am
Plus, we stole the 2000 election. How can you beat that? What should I do with the boxes of Gore ballots in my garage?

Yeah, BBQ season here soon, too.

Send over a couple.

207 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:03:38am

#201 Hila

It's easy to recognize American accents. I had an American lecturer, he had a very heavy accent, and the way he pronounced my name was hilarious!

Yeah, but I still can't figure out how obvious an American accent can be with just one word: SHALOM! :-)

How in the world do I fracture this one word so badly that it's the only thing I needed to say for everyone in the room to know immediately that I'm American? LOL!

Someone in Israel told me that American accents are cute, but I think he probably meant comical. ;-)

208 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:05:51am

#202 mollyshark

Cool!

When?

209 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:05:51am

Good Morning.

The snow has ended anywhere people actually live, although a few flakes that won't stick but which are impressive for being in the Deep South in March will fall today. Decatur, AL reporting "mist" and 0oC, but I suspect that is an ASOS (automated station) and the "mist" is actually snow flurries.

Pretty manly windchills up north.


I won't worry about the possible Friday/Saturday New York/New England storm until this afternoon, so I should get some more work done today.

210 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:07:51am

#203 rightasrain

Jerusalem is beautiful. Even though I'm not a religious person, when I go there I feel a sense of... Holliness. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

211 AW  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:08:26am

#204 Golden Jerusalem

The derogatory term for Jews in Russian is not Yid, but жид, which sounds something like Zhyd

212 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:09:44am

#204 Golden Jerusalem

That's exactly the problem, no work. I'm hoping too to move there someday. I'll be devastated if we ever hand it back to Syria.

213 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:11:57am

# 189 Golden Jerusalem

Exactly. Would somebody please shoot me now ?

214 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:12:54am

#193 SwampWoman

Yes, and I don't want anybody to lose track of the fact that they tried to kill @ 70,000 innocent people and may have succeeded if the planes would have (a) hit lower, and (b) hit later in the day, if the plane that was brought down in Pennsylvania had hit its target, and if the plane that hit the Pentagon hadn't hit a largely empty newly renovated area.

They were aiming to knock the WTC sideways, which would have hit even more people (maybe 100,000 total.) It's chilling just to think about how much worse it could have been.

They also tried to kill tens of thousands in the first world trade center bombing. The reaction to that should have been devastating. I hope somebody is taking notes on this...when an enemy is trying their best to kill lots of your citizens and f*cks up, don't give them additional chances. Kill them.

The Feds (I believe) who had one of the first bombers in a helicopter after being convicted of the first bombing told him, "See, the WTC is still standing."

The man said, "For now." :(

I heard this after 9/11 - the Feds talked about this earlier conversation shortly after 9/11. This first bombing was ALSO trying to knock the WTC sideways (one building bumping into the other for both of them to fall sideways, which could have had the same devastation mentioned above.)

We should have attacked right then and there, you're right.

215 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:14:34am

#207 rightasrain

Yeah, but I still can't figure out how obvious an American accent can be with just one word: SHALOM! :-)

Hehehe, you have no idea how easy it is figure it out. It's cute and funny. It sounds like: SHALLLOOOM. LOL.

American accent *is* cute, but also very amusing.

216 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:14:43am

#211 AW:

Uhm, you're right.

But in the context of English football, I know opposing fans used to yell insults, which included "Yid", so maybe that's an English thing?

A phone call to a Russian friend confirmed what you're saying.

I stand corrected.

/ Damn LGFers, always factchecking your ass :>))

217 hm  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:14:49am

#213 Mike C.

The beauty of the game lies in its simplicity.

218 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:14:54am

#207 Rightasrain

Yeah, but I still can't figure out how obvious an American accent can be with just one word: SHALOM! :-)

How in the world do I fracture this one word so badly that it's the only thing I needed to say for everyone in the room to know immediately that I'm American? LOL!

I reckon in my case, it would be the first time I opened my mouth and said "Shalom, y'all".

Sorta like me sayin' "Y donde esta la cerveza?" but it comes out "eee dondaaay aaaystah la survayzuh, y'all?" and they say things like "que?" which apparently is the hispanic equivalent of "huh?"

219 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:15:25am

#210 Hila

Jerusalem is beautiful. Even though I'm not a religious person, when I go there I feel a sense of... Holiness. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

You bet I do!

It's wonderful!

220 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:19:26am

Swamp Woman

Shoveling, throwing, dumping snow into the road is a $100. fine. As for shooting at the neighbors- drops of water in an ocean. Mother nature is a real beotch. She used the wind last night to "redistribute" the snow back on my walk and driveway.

It's been so cold for so long we have lost several plastic manure rakes, they just get brittle and snap, and even one metal pitchfork. The tractor is stuck in a snowbank and I just can't muster the courage to dig her out and started. We have to use a mattock to get the big slider on the barn to open. The barn cats refuse to leave the tack room and now we have to monitor the dog so she just doesn't crap right outside the door and howl to come back in.

Still want to move north?

221 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:21:27am
#210 Hila

Jerusalem is beautiful. Even though I'm not a religious person, when I go there I feel a sense of... Holiness. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
You bet I do!

It's wonderful!

Sigh. Wish I could go somewhere. Dang, I even lost my retirement funds in this last business venture! Be awhile before I build up my bank account again. On the other hand, that prison thing that Martha Stewart was at looks like it was less strenuous/more enjoyable than some of the vacations that I've had. When I hit retirement age, maybe I can be convicted of insider trading, but I guess I have to get assets first.

222 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:21:48am

#213 Mike C:

C'mon, mate. Learn to love it! You can't escape the global reach of SOCCER!

HA-HAR! :>)))

#210, 212 Hila:

Jerusalem is a strange, magical place. I swear if I ever felt the presence of God, that was the place. It's inexplicable, especially seein' as I'm not religious in any organized sort of way.

The Golan is ours and should never be given away. I wanna go up there this spring, around Pesach. Such a beautiful place and the contrast to crazy congested Tel Aviv is completely mindblowing.

City life makes you almost forget about those places out there.

223 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:21:54am

#215 Hila

Yeah, but I still can't figure out how obvious an American accent can be with just one word: SHALOM! :-)
Hehehe, you have no idea how easy it is figure it out. It's cute and funny. It sounds like: SHALLLOOOM. LOL.

Really?

A friend of mine told me to say hi to dogs in Israel by saying "Shalom." No wonder that puppy in Netanya nearly laughed his butt off when he met me. ;-)

American accent *is* cute, but also very amusing.

Well, that's ok. Israelis are so warm to Americans (I honestly couldn't believe how warm and friendly!) So it's ok if we identify ourselves with our funny accents real fast. ;-)

224 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:25:26am

#218 SwampWoman

Sorta like me sayin' "Y donde esta la cerveza?" but it comes out "eee dondaaay aaaystah la survayzuh, y'all?" and they say things like "que?" which apparently is the hispanic equivalent of "huh?"

ROTFL! :-)

225 AW  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:27:16am

#216 Golden Jerusalem

Zhyd is derived from Yid, which means "Jew" in many Eastern European languages (and in Yiddish too, I'm guessing) and isn't always derogatory. In Russian it has become the equivalent of "kike" but in other languages (e.g. Ukranian) it's just means Jew.

226 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:28:03am

# 217 hm

The beauty of the game lies in its simplicity.

Once again, bullshit. The agony of the game lies in it's interminable lack of meaningful action. Plus the unbelievable insistence (at least in the Third World) of the sportscaster, regardless of native language, yelling "GOALLL..." for as long as he can possibly pump any air at all out of his lungs. That is, on those rare occaisions when a goal actually occurs. As stupid a tradition as exists in all of sport, and that's saying a lot. And when badly played (ever see a Qatar league match ?), it look more like some sort of super-volleyball game than what one might see in the UK. But I'm not really prejudiced. Soccer/football is nothing more than completely trivial show biz, just like American football, basketball, baseball, etc., etc., etc. My 5 year old grandson can play with a ball, ya know, so the diffference between him and any of these multi-million dollar a year "stars" is one of degree, not of kind.

227 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:28:40am

#223 rightasrain:

For some inexplicable reason, even after seven years, people tend to detect a hint of something in my accent and very often I get this sorta line when I tell them that i've come to live here from Denmark:

"Whaddaya NUTS?"

(This is typically in conversations with cab drivers)

Thing is, this is a great country and I love it here.

Even if the beginning can be a bit difficult, it's worth sticking it out.

228 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:29:08am

#222 Golden Jerusalem

TA can surely feel very claustrophobic at times. My friend from Jerusalem can't understand how I live in a place like this. Sometimes I can't understand either.

I love the north, it's my favorite, we should never give it back.

229 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:29:11am

#222 Golden Jerusalem

Jerusalem is a strange, magical place. I swear if I ever felt the presence of God, that was the place. It's inexplicable, especially seein' as I'm not religious in any organized sort of way.

It's a very strong presence!

They say that in Jerusalem, it's a local call to G-d, not long distance.

Everyone I know who's been there has felt it, too!

230 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:29:27am

#220 Peacekeeper

Still want to move north?

Um, I ain't exactly one to be fond of anything below 80 degrees. My husband, though, was ruined by spendin' several years in Germany courtesy of the DOD YEARS ago, and suffers mightily (so he says) in the summer heat mostly because air conditioning is too cold for me and I sneaky turn it off until about August (in Florida).

He has been saying that he would like us to move somewhere like Wyoming, or North Dakota; someplace that has about 2 weeks of summer. He said I should at least "consider" it. Thank you for helping me "consider" it. Instead of just sayin "are you out of your MIND?" now I'll say "are you out of your f*** mind?"

231 wanumba  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:32:47am

#214 rightasrain
#193 swampwoman

Dittos. My initial reaction to the news of 9/11 was fury - the very first reaction - Those ... did it! They failed the first time and they came back to finish the job they'd started. And fury for the administration that sat eight years not thinking they would come back. If I, out of the loop, could read about the stated objectives of that attack and about the loathing the terrorists have for symbols of what they interpret as "Western" dominance, so could the Democratic Administration at that time.
Bush's people came in much more clear-eyed, but were hampered by a delay in getting organized, thanks to the whiner Gore and having to clear out the remnants of unprofessional behavior - remember the keyboards with the missing W keys, the high school pranks left behind? We'll never know the sneakier things that were done to trip up the incoming administration. It was clear that we had an enemy that would return again and again until they got it they way they wanted. New Yorkers should be very serious about this wa; quite a few are, but a shocking number are not. The terrorists really did want +100,000 deaths in lower Manhattan.
If they can try it, they will. Bank on it.
Soros - wealth taker. Figured out a gimmick and worked it. He's not exactly of the business caliber of Bill Gates who built a business from the ground up.

232 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:33:50am

#223 rightasrain

A friend of mine told me to say hi to dogs in Israel by saying "Shalom." No wonder that puppy in Netanya nearly laughed his butt off when he met me. ;-)

LOL, you see, even the dogs identify your accents. ;-)

Israelis are warm to Americans because America is only Israel's true friend. Americans are always welcome here.

233 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:34:03am

#227 Golden Jerusalem

Thing is, this is a great country and I love it here.

Yes, it is. I know I will love living there, too.

Even if the beginning can be a bit difficult, it's worth sticking it out.

I'm sure it will be worth it!

Thanks!

234 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:38:36am

#228 Hila:

That's being a city boy/girl for ya.

When I lived in Copenhagen, same thing.

'Thing is when you live in the city you've got everything you need right there...except those wide open spaces and the quiet.

Even if Givataim is pretty quiet and full of zkenim

#229 rightasrain:

It's something else. I knew this one guy, an aussie, who went there and couldn't go there again. He said he felt too tense. Me, I enjoy visiting, but I don't go nearly as often as I would like to.

235 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:40:23am

# 222 Golden Jerusalem

C'mon, mate. Learn to love it! You can't escape the global reach of SOCCER!

Yeah. When it can be scientifically proven that hell has indeed frozen over. Let's put it this way. What's the most popular sport in France ? Soccer. I rest my case. On that note, there is only one country in South America where soccer is NOT the most popular sport. Which country ? No fair Googling !

236 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:40:36am

I am trying to figure out what a healthier response to terrorism is. Somebody he'p me out here. That statement just does not make any sense to me.

Now, if somebody said that my swamp stomping grounds had too many mosquitos and I needed a healthier solution (healthier for me) than dousin' the whole place with a cloud of DDT, to me a healthier solution would be gettin' rid of some of the standing water, putting fish in to eat the larvae, and encouraging toads, frogs, and birds to eat the adults so that the population of mosquitos would be naturally kept in check.

Seems to me that that is exactly what George et al. are doing. He's gettin' rid of the trainin' grounds, settin' up alternatives, and encouraging freedom for all. Maybe that is the unhealthy alternative according to Soros? Maybe he had in mind some kind of radioactive cleansing?

237 manker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:41:02am

#228 Hila,


I love the north, it's my favorite, we should never give it back.

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to correct you. We should never let it be invaded and re-occupied.

238 Luigi  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:42:46am

This website eyeonthepost notes that the WaPo consistently refers to Israel as "occupying" the West Bank while it refers to Syria having a "presence" in Lebanon.

This article is via a blog called Low Earth Orbit which was the first blog I ever followed.

239 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:43:08am

#232 Hila

Israelis are warm to Americans because America is only Israel's true friend. Americans are always welcome here.

It was an amazing experience to be greeted so warmly!

When I went to Europe years ago, I saw some American college students putting Canadian Maple Leafs on their backpacks (so people in Europe wouldn't know they were American.)

It was a lovefest in Israel - almost made me cry.

I told this one shop keeper "ani ohevet et israel" and he put his hands over his heart for me.

It was so unbelievable to be there (especially at a time when it wasn't clear yet that the terror was calming down.)

I would have moved over in that split second, if I could have.

240 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:43:36am

#235 Mike C.:

South America, as in from Columbia on down or does this include Central America?

Right off the top o' the old noggin', I'd say that futbol is the most popular sport in all the countries there, but...

It'd have to be a guess, Bolivia? If we include Central America, i'd say Cuba.

241 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:44:57am

Brain-dead billionaire George Soros popping off and saying something morally bankrupt and incredibly stupid is quickly becoming a "Dog Bites Man" story.

242 zonekeeper  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:45:09am

OT: I'm very sure its been said already, but the nice lady in the thosetshirts.com ad to the right sure has a nice...ummm...aft section.

How is everyone this morning?

243 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:45:12am

#234 Golden Jerusalem

That's the biggest advantage, in the city everything is handy. But sometimes you just want to get the hell out of there. I guess you can't have it all.

Even if Givataim is pretty quiet and full of zkenim

Hehe, it's a sleeping city. But hey, if you like it... ;-)

244 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:47:35am

Swamp Woman

Funny I have the same sort of argument with the little woman;
"can't we move somewhere with just a little less winter?"

The coldest temp (not windchill) I have ever experienced was here in Vermont. -47 degrees F. In full gear it is like getting dunked in water. The exposed skin on my face felt like it was getting a drill put through it. Brrr.

About the only thing we got on you guys is that we don't have to check the yard for poisonus snakes, fire ants, scorpions and gators every morning.

245 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:48:29am

#237 manker

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to correct you. We should never let it be invaded and re-occupied.

I stand corrected. You are right. There were times though, that the idea of handing it back was very real.

246 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:51:43am

#237, 245:

Ha'am im ha'Golan :>)))

Need I say more?

---

Givataim is cool. Crazy night life...er..well, no, not really...

247 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:52:48am

# 240 Golden Jerusalem

No, South America is South America, from, as you said, Colombia on down. In Venezuela, baseball is actually more popular than futbol. The same is also true in at least Guatamala and the Dominican Republic in Central America (I don't know about the rest) and in Cuba, which is, of course, a Caribbean country, not Central or South American.

# 239 rightasrain

Well, not a heart-stirring feeling, perhaps, but I once upon a time walked around the environs of Sterling, Scotland on such a rare day as to actually get a bit of a sunburn, and if I had had the money, I would have looked up a realtor and bought a place there that very afternoon. Don't remember whether they liked Americans or not, and didn't care. Lovely place.

248 manker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:53:42am

#245 Hila,

I stand corrected. You are right. There were times though, that the idea of handing it back was very real.

In my opinion it still is very real if people like peres get back into control. And even Sharon might do it.

I hope and pray that it never does, it truly belongs to Israel.

249 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:54:04am

#242 zonekeeper:

Aye, that she has. Arrr

250 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:54:22am

#239 rightasrain

When I went to Europe years ago, I saw some American college students putting Canadian Maple Leafs on their backpacks (so people in Europe wouldn't know they were American.)

It's very sad that Americans and Israelis have cover their true identity. Like we have something to be ashamed of.

I told this one shop keeper "ani ohevet et israel" and he put his hands over his heart for me.

We are very touched when people come to visit our tiny country, especially when things get rough. We really appreciate that gesture. It means a lot to us.

251 Americain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:54:33am

Good morning all.

OT

The former Lebanese PM calls yesterdays hezbollah backed protest a massive hoax

We all saw through the facade.

252 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:56:01am

#247 Mike C.

Well, not a heart-stirring feeling, perhaps, but I once upon a time walked around the environs of Sterling, Scotland on such a rare day as to actually get a bit of a sunburn, and if I had had the money, I would have looked up a realtor and bought a place there that very afternoon. Don't remember whether they liked Americans or not, and didn't care. Lovely place.

Sounds lovely!

253 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:56:45am

#247 Mikey in Beijing:

Venezuela

Damn!

I was thinking about that, based solely on the fact that Venezuela's national team always gets its ass kicked in qualifiers, never qualifies for the World Cup, and so on.

254 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:57:33am

#246 Golden Jerusalem

Ha'am im ha'Golan :>)))

LOL, another sticker you get to see on every second car.

Givataim is cool. Crazy night life...er..well, no, not really...

Oh yeah, crazy night life, especially when all the zkenim go play bingo. Wooohooo!

255 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:58:18am
We all saw through the facade

Everyone of us, save for the fools at the BBC, CNN, et al :>)))

256 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:00:35am

#250 Hila

We are very touched when people come to visit our tiny country, especially when things get rough. We really appreciate that gesture. It means a lot to us.

Thanks so much!

I'll do my best to find the same graciousness to offer visitors myself when I become an Israeli.

Kol tuv!

Lehitraot!

(Logging off for awhile...)

257 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:00:47am

#248 manker

I think even Peres abandoned the Syrian channel, at least for now. We got the Palis on the head right now.

It does belong to Israel, giving it back will be a huge mistake.

258 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:01:41am

#250:

It's very sad that Americans and Israelis have cover their true identity. Like we have something to be ashamed of.

Heh. Reminds me. I was in Denmark visiting last summer and had some pretty heated exchanges with people we met in cafes and bars when I'd tell 'em I'm from Israel.

Stupid LLL jerks. Some got all aggressive and stuff, while I just kept my cool and continued to provoke them with my well-honed argumentation technique...

HAH! It was fun. Thinking about it though, it could've probably gone terribly wrong...

259 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:02:58am

#256 rightasrain

Toda lach, for becoming one of us. :-)

See ya later.

260 Luigi  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:03:38am

Regarding the hoax demonstration by pro-Syrians in Lebanon, it should be re-iterated there are 800,000 Syrian workers in Lebanon

Lebanon's Prime Minister Offers to Step Down

The Arab daily Al Hayat estimates that 800,000 Syrian workers in Lebanon send home nearly $1 billion each year.


Syria occupies Lebanon, and colonizes them with their workers. It is perhaps the most textbook case of classic Marxist imperialism in the world today this side of Tibet.

The 800,000 Syrians in Lebanon can certainly be counted upon to show up at a rally that will keep them employed, and away from Syria.

261 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:04:13am

Grim news from Iraq (Well, grim from the perspective of a decent human being. Your average Kossack or DUmmy might exult in the fact that traitors and their families got what they deserved).

Iraqi "Minutemen" Massacres

Twenty of the corpses were found late Tuesday in a field near Rumana, a village about 10 miles east of the western city of Qaim, near the Syrian border, police Capt. Muzahim al-Karbouli said.

Each of the bodies had been riddled with bullets — apparently several days earlier. They were found wearing civilian clothes and one of the dead was a woman, al-Karbouli said.

South of Baghdad in Latifiya, Iraqi troops on Tuesday made another gruesome discovery, finding 15 headless bodies in a building inside an abandoned former army base, Defense Ministry Capt. Sabah Yassin said.

The bodies included 10 men, three women and two children. Their identities, like the others found in western Iraq, were not known.

Yassin said some of the dead men in Latifiya were thought to have been part of a group of Iraqi soldiers who were kidnapped by insurgents in the area two weeks ago, Yassin said.

262 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:04:27am

I've decided that I prefer to discuss the Golan issue in the context of giving it away rather than giving it back.

The latter use of words imply that someone may actually have a legal claim.

263 LthrNck  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:04:32am

#242 Zonekeeper: Aye, I noticed that one myself. It's like an apple... mmm apples!

264 manker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:05:37am

#257 Hila,


I think even Peres abandoned the Syrian channel, at least for now. We got the Palis on the head right now.

It does belong to Israel, giving it back will be a huge mistake.

Well this is to assume everything with the palis goes smoothly.

While this is kind of old, it still makes some good and disturbing points of how close Israel came to a massive middle east war.

[Link: www.discerningtoday.org...]

Honestly if a new wave of violence breaks out (which I hope will not, but most likely will), history could very well repeat itself.

265 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:05:37am

# 249 Golden Jerusalem et al

Aye, that she has. Arrr

Which brings up a very important point. With all due respect to those that celebrate various religious holidays and such, let us all not forget to prepare for the truly most important holiday on all the world's calanders, rapidly approaching now. I, of course, refer to "Talk Like A Pirate' Day, which, as always, is on September 19. Don't know how to talk like a pirate ? Then buy the book ! Silly persons !

266 Americain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:05:48am
Everyone of us, save for the fools at the BBC, CNN, et al :>)))

And let's not forget about our resident troll taryn.

267 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:07:50am

#258 Golden Jerusalem

And we can all thank the media for doing such a tremendous job in portraying us as the devils. I'm sure Denmark is full of LLL jerks. She is so liberal and tolerant and open-minded... What a bunch of hypocrites!

268 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:08:03am

OT; Iraq Insurgency (I think) this tidbit

[Link: www.media.ebaumsworld.com...]

Which is, as they say, "graphic and disturbing". I mean graphic and disturbing.

269 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:08:12am

#261 Dirk Diggler

The bodies included 10 men, three women and two children.

Something tells me that these news will not make the same big titles dedicated to the Italian commie "journalist"...

270 Luigi  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:09:13am

If you check out cnn right now, they have one of those posed pictures of a terrorist with an RPG. Its an AP shot with a terrorist posing for the camera. It absolutely proves collusion between AP and CNN and the enemy.

In case they remove it, here's the raw link to the pix.

This is treason as far as I'm concerned. the head of CNN ought to be in jail this afternoon in any reasonable country.

271 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:10:32am
272 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:12:33am

I'm on the nightrain
Bottoms up
I'm on the nightrain
Fill my cup
I'm on the nightrain
Ready to crash and burn
I never learn
I'm on the nightrain
I love that stuff
I'm on the nightrain
I can never get enough
I'm on the nightrain
Never to return - no

273 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:13:54am
I'm sure Denmark is full of LLL jerks

Yes, Sharon=Nazi terminology abounds...

274 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:16:02am

270 Luigi.


Thank goodness for the innnernut.

If the world was like it was 10 years ago, with the majority of Americans getting the majority of their information from Dan Rather and newspapers running al-NYT and al-AP stories. Pat Buchanan would be the voice of the American right. 9-11 would be a distant memory less than 4 years after it happened, the American voters would have dumped GWB for Jean Francois Qerie, the last American troops would have been withdrawn from Baghdad under fire, few Americans would have a clue Iran was rushing at breakneck speed toward nuclear weapons capability, and the majority of Americans would feel sympathy (well, even a bigger majority), perhaps even me, for the poor oppressed Palestinians who were being massacred by that arch-right wing thug Sharon.

275 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:17:14am

#264 manker

No one knows how it's going to develop with the Palis, of course we can only hope that this time it will be different. I don't hold my breath, but I really hope so that now when the fish is gone, things will change.

276 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:17:40am

Ed
"the poor oppressed Palestinians who were being massacred by that arch-right wing thug Sharon. "

You mean Shauron?

277 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:17:57am

All right,

I gots to go.

It's been a pleasure, as alway.

See ya'll! :>)))

278 alkmyst  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:18:18am

More lies from the proponents of disengagement national suicide: This time from the -ahem- highly respectable Jerusalem Post. Please take a look at the aerial photo... and if anyone can convince me that those are the same place, I'll send them a Paypal of $1000.oo right now.talia sasson's lies

Dror Etkes, Peace Now's expert on settlements, told The Jerusalem Post that there were three distinct periods in the development of the illegal outposts.

Well, it seems to me kinda obvious who's running the show in the PM's office these days. Who commissioned the sasson report again?

Oh, right. ariel sharon, that ultra-right wing uber-hawk. (spit).
talia sasson is isn't even fit to call herself Jewish, and this who he's asking to do a balanced report.

279 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:19:47am

Golden Jerusalem

Yes, Sharon=Nazi terminology abounds...

Ha yes, you gotta love their creativity. It always ends with the NAZIS. Israel=Nazi, Bush=Hitler.

280 Luigi  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:19:59am

Interesting to note, the saga of the commie lady and her mouth is gone gone gone gone gone from the front page of CNN and the BBC and MSNBC and Fox.

Now that photographs of the car are available it is time to drop the story. Like I said yesterday, that car was involved in a hit-and-run. The hit was blasted around the world quite successfully. Now we see the run part.

281 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:20:05am

278 alkmyst

your link didn't work for me. Got any recipes for stinkbombs?

282 Hila  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:20:52am

Byebye Golden. :-)

I gotta go too, it was fun talking to you all.

283 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:22:12am
284 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:25:12am

#244 Peacekeeper

About the only thing we got on you guys is that we don't have to check the yard for poisonus snakes, fire ants, scorpions and gators every morning.

We don't have to check the yard for 'em. Fire ants are always there. Scorpions are always there, but prefer to stay hidden. Don't stick yer fingers where you can't see (cuz the black widows, recluse spiders and poisonous snakes will likely be there, too). Don't step on the snakes and they'll leave you alone. Gators are easiest. Call the dawgs. If the dawgs don't come, a gator prob'ly ate 'em, so watch out.

285 Luigi  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:25:57am

From the Michelle Malkin column

Still, you would expect a country that once embraced the defiant spirit of Fabrizio Quattrochi -- the murdered Italian security guard taken hostage in Iraq last year who stoically told his assassins, "I'm going to show you how an Italian dies" -- to resist the Quisling impulse with every fiber of its collective being.
286 alkmyst  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:26:19am
#237 manker 3/9/2005 06:41AM PST

#228 Hila,
I love the north, it's my favorite, we should never give it back.

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to correct you. We should never let it be invaded and re-occupied.

Exactly, manker.

The sooner people (especially Jews) wake up to the fact that was never theirs to begin with then we can start getting back to real business on how to deal with invaders in our land.

I can only think of one good thing that might come from the disengagement national suicide PLO empowerment plan, and that is this:

The second that one single Jew is forcibly removed from their home, it creates the legal precedent that any citizen of Israel, Jewish or ARAB, can be forcibly removed form their home and relocated by the government.

To hold to anything less is blatant racism and discrimination, and personally, I've had enough of having to drive by arab villages. They smell like sewage, and should be relocated to somewhere far away from civilized people.

287 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:26:48am
South of Baghdad in Latifiya, Iraqi troops on Tuesday made another gruesome discovery, finding 15 headless bodies in a building inside an abandoned former army base, Defense Ministry Capt. Sabah Yassin said.

The bodies included 10 men, three women and two children. Their identities, like the others found in western Iraq, were not known.

Brought to you courtesy of the lovely people that Giuliana is busily lauding.

288 alkmyst  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:28:24am
289 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:28:54am

Swamp Woman

I say this with all respect, this song plays in my head when I read your posts

[Link: www.lyricstop.com...]

Lotsa luck with them gators!

290 manker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:31:20am

#275 Hila ,

No one knows how it's going to develop with the Palis, of course we can only hope that this time it will be different. I don't hold my breath, but I really hope so that now when the fish is gone, things will change.

I don't know while I hope it doesn't look good, the more Abbas opens his mouth the more he looks like this

291 manker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:38:56am

#286 alkmyst,

The second that one single Jew is forcibly removed from their home, it creates the legal precedent that any citizen of Israel, Jewish or ARAB, can be forcibly removed form their home and relocated by the government.

Ya that is a good thing. Thats also why the arab MK's "came late" and missed their opportunity to vote in the knesset when they voted on disengagement.

But it won't save them, just because they didn't vote for it. Doesn't mean Israel forgets about all the times the arab mk's told arab countries to attack Israel, not have relations with Israel, that Israel is evil, and *insert arab propaganda here*.

To hold to anything less is blatant racism and discrimination, and personally, I've had enough of having to drive by arab villages. They smell like sewage, and should be relocated to somewhere far away from civilized people.

Villages, I have yet to see any arab villages in Israel. They are like 5-6 arab villages all combined into one super village. And the thing about those supper villages is that they are designed exactly like the stuff the pali's live in the territories. They look unbelievably cramp. All the buildings are built on top of one another.

292 alkmyst  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:42:19am

Hila, Manker, how many lies can you spot in here:

Escaping Arafat's Shadow
By MAHMOUD ABBAS; MATT REES; JAMIL HAMAD Sunday, Mar. 06, 2005
[Link: www.time.com...]
For his first interview with an English-language magazine since taking
office in January, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas met with TIME's
Jerusalem bureau chief, Matt Rees, and correspondent Jamil Hamad last
Saturday in his West Bank office. After buzzing an aide for a cigarette (he
does not carry his own pack, believing, he joked, that "this keeps down my
consumption"), Abbas talked for an hour about his challenges.

TIME: What do you think will be the consequences for Palestinians of events in Lebanon?

ABBAS: It's clear-cut. President Assad said he will withdraw. But for us, we don't know yet the consequences. We don't know the demands of the Americans.

TIME: In Washington, many think the growing democracy movement in the Middle East comes from President Bush's pressure.

ABBAS: I don't think that we made democracy because President Bush pushed us. We decided that we should have a democratic process, and we did it without any pressure.

TIME: Now that you've been elected, your progress depends on your cease-fire with Hamas and Islamic Jihad, the Islamist groups opposing peace. How secure is it ?

ABBAS: I concluded a truce with Hamas when I was Prime Minister. After I became head of the Palestinian Authority, I conducted talks with them, and
they accepted without any pressure on them. It is a democracy. We have to
deal with them accordingly.

TIME: But when they launch suicide-bomb attacks like the latest one in Tel
Aviv?

ABBAS: They said they are not responsible and they'll stick to the
cease-fire. All of [the Islamist factions]. Even those that are in Damascus.

TIME: Who was responsible, then, for the Tel Aviv attack?

ABBAS: It was individuals. We arrested five. If you ask me who is
responsible, the Israelis are responsible. The bombers came from the suburb
of Tulkarem to Tel Aviv, crossing the wall. So who is responsible? The wall
and the Israelis.

TIME: Hamas won seats in municipal elections in January. Now the P.L.O. has an opposition?

ABBAS: This is proof that they are going to be a political party, which is
good.

TIME: Israelis and Americans are shocked to think Hamas could be in your
parliament.

ABBAS: Why not? They should be in the parliament. They will share
responsibility. Israel has more than 33 political parties from right to left
and in between.

TIME: What's your plan to reach a peace agreement with Israel?

ABBAS: We suggested to the Israelis and Americans to work in back channels on final-status issues while we are working on earlier phases of the road map. If we start now, we have a lot of time to work with the Americans to find ideas, to find compromises. But if we go [without preparation] to the
third [final status] phase of the road map, and then we get a make-or-break
situation like Camp David [in 2000], it's unworkable.

TIME: President Bush wrote Israeli Prime Minister Sharon a letter saying
that in a final deal, there will be no right of return and there will be
adjustments to the 1967 borders and the status of Jerusalem.

ABBAS: President Bush doesn't have the right to prejudice final-status
issues. These issues should be discussed in the final stages, not now. He
can't make commitments on behalf of the Palestinian people. It is our right
to say yes or no.

TIME: To get a final-status agreement, do you think you will have to make
unpopular decisions, unpopular compromises?

ABBAS: I promise any compromise will go to a referendum. People will accept it or not.

TIME: Do you think you can achieve a deal in one five-year presidential
term?

ABBAS: I have to do it because after that I won't be President anymore.

continued in next post...

293 plutosdad  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:42:40am

#151 Beagle

I like to remind people that stupid political decisions get our troops killed more often than anything the actual troops do.

294 alkmyst  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:44:02am
TIME: Yasser Arafat was a symbol for Palestinians around the world. Do you see yourself as a different kind of leader?

ABBAS: There are differences in our ways of thinking. I want to put
everything on the table, and you can take it or leave it. Even when I was
running for the elections, many friends advised me not to. But I said, "No,
I have to tell the people everything. Either they'll elect me or not."

TIME: Are you worried that might anger people? Are there threats against
your life?

ABBAS: Everybody is under threat. We are Muslims. We believe that when life comes to an end, it comes.

TIME: It's risky just to be a Palestinian?

ABBAS: It's risky. But it's also risky to be an American. You remember the Twin Towers. So if you believe in God, you won't be afraid.

TIME: You were born in Safad, in what is now Israel. How did it feel when
you went back for a visit in 1995?

ABBAS: Very sad. It's my country. I know every street and store. But now I'm not allowed to be there. That's life. I'm not asking for Safad. I'm not
asking to return there.

Oh yeah, buddy. We remember.

295 manker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:44:44am

#292 alkmyst,

everytime he [abbas] opens his mouth

296 foreign devil  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:45:06am

#283 Writer Mom:

Michelle always gets it, doesn't she? She's a pleasure to read.

297 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:46:28am

#289 Peacekeeper

Yep, that's about the size of it.

298 quark2  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:47:09am

OT

Fox News is talking about the software being used to spoof caller id on land lines. In other words don't trust the caller id, it might be a hacker or an identity thief.

299 foreign devil  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:48:20am

#294 alkymst:

"ABBAS: It's risky. But it's also risky to be an American. You remember the Twin Towers. So if you believe in God, you won't be afraid."

And we know where his $1.5 million home in Gaza is and I'm sure he won't be afraid either if he believes in Allah! [Whatever that is supposed to mean! Was it a threat? Who knows with the Arabs!]

300 alkmyst  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:58:29am
#295 manker 3/9/2005 07:44AM PST
#292 alkmyst,
everytime he [abbas] opens his mouth

I think it's actually part of the [arabass] culture. Must be sensitive to other cultures, you know... I especially like how says, "I'm not

301 big L  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:03:28am

10 JohnSteele-your words to g-d's ears... Soros is inferior and may well have an inferiority complex.

Like grumpy #5-said, it is his behavior that could create problems as well as the cowering Spaniards. Never have I been so disappointed to see Spans raising their arms as if in surrender.
In fact I saved the front page of the paper with that photo of them all in the Square in Madrid surrendering.
All they had to do is push back a bit and the local al Queds would fold like a cheap card-table.
But N-O-O-O! they have to elect a socialist door mat as PM.
I guess the King is a sap too.And the army. Disgusting.

302 alkmyst  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:05:26am

Ugh. lost my post there... anyway, here's a nugget o' fun:

The following are results from a Dialogue poll for Haaretz of a representative sample of 504 adult Israelis (including Israeli Arabs) carried out on the 1-2 March 2005, as published in Haaretz on 4 March.

Percent who said that the following are characteristics of Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon:
80% Leadership
44% Honesty
50% Trustworthy
55% Cynical
62% Crushing
62% Corrupt

So basically everyone knows he's a bully, and more people think he's corrupt than honest.

Also, please note, those of you who love to quote polls from Israel, that most Israeli press uses polls (And I see most of them) that are taken of ~500 adult Israelis (including Israeli arabs). That a pretty small number for any kind of real results, and as a scientist, I would throw most of these statistics right out.

As an Israeli, I would say that the smell in the air is that people want to get finished with the muzzlenazis, and the options so far haven't amounted to much in our favor. Most people just want it done, and most people would rather fight an enemy than a brother.

303 Victor  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:08:36am

Genius Soros says:

Spain had “a very different response to terrorism - a healthier response”...“Producing innocent victims creates anger and resentment. And this anger and resentment feeds terrorism."

It's hard to understand how an educated, adult human being can be so utterly ignorant, and can spout such utter sophistry to admiring audiences.

Reminds me of the economic sophistries Frederick Bastiat spent his life debunking -- one of the most famous examples being the "broken window" fallacy: a broken window, claims the sophist, is a good thing, as it provides employment for the glazer, who then has money to pay the butcher, who then... et cetera. Bastiat points out in clear, simple language how a broken window is actually a decrease in wealth, and as you're reading the force of his logic causes a lightbulb to go on in one's mind, and you realize that very simple errors of logic are routinely made, even by supposedly bright people -- for instance, whole theories of economics have been built on the "broken window" economic fallacy (Keynes, et al), even though a child can understand the foolishness of it.

So examples of intelligent people believing foolish things are legion, and are a constant and grievous source of trouble in our troublesome world, always have been, always will. Terrorists stupidly believe slaughtering innocents will bring them victory against the West -- George Soros believes surrendering to terrorists is the way to victory, and no force of logic or real-world examples will dissuade either from their irrational convictions.

(And it goes without saying that you and I are prone to this sort of thing too -- it's just the way the human mind works... or doesn't ;-)

304 foreign devil  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:09:28am

#280 luigi:

I think the blogs killed what la Sgrena had hoped would be another Abu Ghraib scandal with which to whip the Americans. Too bad! So sad! This time the bloggers spiked the story! :)

305 big L  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:13:27am

50-Globular cluster- maybe ted turner too.

306 EE  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:37:23am

Soros' prescription is: don't make waves. That is just the attitude that allowed the Saudi-Wahhabi hate-mongering to flourish in the world in all the madrassas that is finances. That is just the attitude that allowed Osama bin Laden to train global terrorists in Afghanistan. That is just the attitude that allowed the massacre of 9/11 to occur.

Soros is an expert at currency speculation. That's what made him a billionaire. That doesn't mean that he is an expert on how to defeat terrorism, how to oppose hatred, and how to end the dictatorships and fear societies that have an interest in generating hatred of an external enemy in order to keep themselves in power.

Soros' own economic plans might be better served by the attitude of "don't make waves". But that has nothing to do with the need of civilization for a new deal with regard to fear societies versus free societies.

307 alegrias  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:43:10am

#301 Big L

Before you trash Spain's military troops who didn't want to leave their mission in Iraq, remember the US has millions more appeasers/moonbat Kerry voters than li'l ol Spain.

Here in our Nation's capital they voted for Kerry and terror appeasement by 9 to 1.

And our media & universities are run by Ward Churchills who want us dead.

308 a1jeffery  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:04:35am

Looks like Soros missed this poll showing that Indonesian support of the U.S. War on Terror increased dramatically, while support for Bin Laden has fallen.

309 JHW  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:07:55am

Interesting comments from our friends in Israel, makes me want to visit a country where Yanks aren`t reviled. My education as to Israel and "Palestine" began over 30 years ago, when I discovered Commentary magazine.Since then I`ve been a firm supporter of Israel ,including financially in my small way as a blue-collar worker, and it`s gratifying to me that some of my youthful ideas have stood the test of time.Ther were some great Jewish writers and thinkers contributing to that magazine, and they were particularly prescient on the Cold-war and middle-Eastern issues.Shalom to all our friends in Israel.

310 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:18:31am

#309 JHW

Interesting comments from our friends in Israel, makes me want to visit a country where Yanks aren`t reviled.

It's completely amazing to be welcomed somewhere as an American!

You should go over for a visit!

Airfair isn't that expensive from America (considering that you're flying to the other side of the world.) I paid around $900 roundtrip on El Al from NYC without any special coupons (I made the trip completely on my own without being part of any sort of tour.)

Israel is green and lush in many places (hence, my question when I got to the Negev in springtime: "...but where is the desert?" when I saw the lush fields of crops everywhere.) :)

You wouldn't believe it!

It's a teeny place but there are a million things to see!

311 JHW  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:28:51am

#310 Thanks for that, I`m seriously considering it, might be able to swing it even on my low income. I`m from a rural area and had very little contact with Jewisj people until I went in the Army.A Jewish captain was my commander and I can truly say he had a tremendous influence on my life,he was the very model of what an officer and a gentleman should be,he knew how to chew you out without humiliating you, and instead teaching you to do things the right way and learning to think critically.He was not averse to explaining his take on Judaism to hicks like me from the boonies that really knew nothing about Jews or Judaism.Last I heard of him was a couple years ago, he made aliyeh.

312 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:33:04am

#311 JHW

Nice story!

Maybe you can get in touch with your former Captain!

I've got friends in Israel, too. It's really wonderful to have people show you around, but I had fun during the times when I was on my own, too!

I hope you can make it!

Thanks!

313 piniella  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 12:48:59pm

#72 2X4 wielder 3/8/2005 11:31PM PST : " #68 -- obviously we have a Liberal in our midst, or a confused Conservative. Popper was a Moral Relativist. "

You fail to grasp Popper's deep committment to Rationalism and Falsifiability. These ARE not the positions of a relativist.

314 EE  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 1:00:02pm

#308 a1jeffery
Interesting poll described in your link.

What does it mean? I'm hoping that it shows that the hatemongers can fool some of the Muslim world all of the time, and the hatemongers can fool all of the Muslim world some of the time, but they cannot fool all of the Muslim world all of the time. Good breeze blowing in Indonesia at this moment.

315 piniella  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 1:01:15pm

#198 TMF 3/9/2005 05:58AM PST: "IT boggles the mind, it really does. I will never understand these people. Never. "

I will never understand why the Bush Administration ignored all the warnings about an attack. I will never understand how someone who lied under oath can become Secretary of State.

I will never understand why the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency is considered to be a traitor.

316 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 2:09:22pm

Thanks for the absolutely lovely conversations with Israelis this morning on this thread!

It was all most delightful and I dream every day of the next time I'm there (especially when I move to Israel for keeps later this year or early next year!)

ani ohevet et Israel ! :)

317 abolitionist  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 4:39:34pm

#64 Rayra

'Will no one rid us of this troublesome ...'


With all due respect, you might want to back away from that, just a weee bit. It's kinda old. About 14 centuries.

318 Protagonist  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:38:40pm

#56 pookleblinky

Thanks for the plug. Sorry my blog is slow lately. I've got alot going on in a non-blog world which inexplicably functions independently of all known weblogs.


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