an African-American is a Muslim ?
you mean a black person is a Muslim...

don't they realize that Arabs (Muslims) were the first to sell African blacks into slavery outside of Africa ?

don't they realize that Arabs (Muslims) were the first to sell African blacks into slavery outside of Africa ?

Sticking it to the whitey overrides everything else.

Just who's being un-Islamic here?

Unfortunately, the female is...really sad.

What he meant to say is when this is an Islamic state ...

My question is how can any woman who has supposedly studied the Koran in depth still want to be a Muslim?

Hell, if this were an Islamic state, being murdered by mob rule would be the least of her worries. Hell, she'd probably welcome death.

I bet everyone just stood around with their mouths hanging open when he spewed that garbage too.

Your vagina precludes you from etermal repose. -Muhammerhead

“If this was an Islamic state, this woman would be hanged, she would be killed, she would be diced into pieces.”

RoP ...d'oh

being murdered by mob rule would be the least of her worries

I beg to differ. Being infibulated would be a big worry.

"These people do not represent Islam,” said the clearly furious Nussruh. “If this was an Islamic state, this woman would be hanged, she would be killed, she would be diced into pieces.”

Yeah Nut-ssruh, but you certainly do (they forgot to mention he left in a huff to go watch some beheading videos).

And this country will never be an jislamic state!

The journey into the 21st century begins with a single step. First it's leading a sermon, then what? The right to vote?

I will note that she teaches at VCU
- in a red state.

Speaking of VA schools, ODU (alma mater) just gave up the lead to Mich. State - bummer...

VDH on John Batchelor radio show right now (770 WABC in NYC )

is it the Koran or Hadith that says women are less intelligent and less trustworthy (and thus their testimony has less weight in court than men's).

If this woman is an Islamic scholar, how does she resolve that?

death to Islam.

French style surrender and appeasement not working in the Philippines:

RP believes 7 al Qaeda affiliated terrorists planning bomb attacks against Christian churches.

Nothing says "Religion of Peace" like blowing up the kufr during the most solemn week of their religious calendar.

Men and women praying together, sheesh! How heteronormative.

ed she prob holds a more moderate view

ok last time im gonna repost this

when and why ddi charles decide to minimale his envolvemnet in the comments section?

#8 Rufus Lee King

Muhammerhead?!?

LOL!

Apart from any other Islamic crime she committed, I read elsewhere that she chose to commit her Islamic crimes in a New York City Cathedral (not St. Pat's) no less. Talk about adding insult to injury --. Got to believe that place has just made some whackout Islamic terrorist's "A List" for mass murder and destruction. Remember that charming Islamic terrorist sympathizing Columbia University Professor DeGenova -- you know, the man that earnestly wishes that America suffer a million Modgadishus? He may get his wish now, sort of, right in his own neighborhood. But, hey Prof, this is what you wanted, no?

“These people do not represent Islam,” said the clearly furious Nussruh. “If this was an Islamic state, this woman would be hanged, she would be killed, she would be diced into pieces.”

such progressive people aren't they?
may Wadud's actions lead to some kind of islamic enlightenment - for the betterment of all. no more beheadings, no more personality cults by megalomaniacs, no more death cultish worships, no more calls/yearnings/fantasizings of an mega islamofascist caliphate...

#15 Jeff S.

What's WABC's web site? Do they stream?

Linky please!

"a" should be "an" - pimf

Charles was feeling poorly earlier, hence some poor etiquette earlier on unsupervised thread.

Apparently he ate some bad Sheperd's Pie.

Don't know why That reminds me: Driving into my subdivision today, passing the natural gas field that borders my neighborhood, I drive past three animals and think"-man, those are the smallest cows I have ever seen". Then I think, "sheep"?

I back up, and its three deer, grazing near right against the fence. So I roll down the window, and try to talk them, and they just stare at me for about a minute, then they turn and go bounding away.

Although I have seen live deer a couple of miles from the house, and a dead buck as roadkill in my subdivision, these were the first live deer I have seen in my neighborhood.

One thing for sure, that Nussruh fella' sure has a better handle on Islam than Amina Wadud. Those mixed gender worshipers had better get themselves straightened out too or the blasphemy schredder's going to be a part of their future if that Nussruh fella' has anything to say bout it.

the moderate muslims ?

#29 Ed

these were the first live deer I have seen in my neighborhood.

And you couldn't engage them in conversation? Were they not interested in the weather?

#31 AI

Bummer, dude!

#27 Ward Cleaver

Try wabc 77

“If this was an Islamic state, this woman would be hanged, she would be killed, she would be diced into pieces.”

Yes, and I'm sure it would be done in a very peaceful way.

Wow, WABC has Warner Wolf? I remember when he did Monday Night Baseball on ABC.

Ah, they've also got the great Dr. Levin.

moderate Islam ?

just say NO to crock !

#37

Sorry, dudette.

LGF, please do not call Islam the religion of peace. It's an oxymoron.

It should be properly called the Death Cult of Peace and Submission.

Thank you.

#41 the_flying_pig

The term Religion of Peace is always used with an implied heavy sarcasm.

Hence the term, Religion of Peace MY ASS!, or ROPMA!

#41 the_flying_pig

It's entirely sarcastic, I can assure you.

I'm fond of "ROPMA" myself.

#33 Ward Cleaver,

Good one! LOL

Amina Wadud, an African-American professor of Islamic studies at Virginia Commonwealth University and author of “Qur’an and Woman:, Rereading the Sacred Text from a Woman’s Perspective”

Yeah, I'll bet that would be interesting.

Raping and enslaving pre-pubescents after killing their families, cutting their genitals 'but not too much (hadith attributed to Mohammed)', covering up, being not seen and not heard, except when its time to cook, make children, or get beaten (without breaking bones, mind you).

Yeah, there's a lot of deeper meaning and potential for personal growth there, if only the modern islamic woman would look at it again from a fresh perspective.

Must have been a hell of a coup for Virginia Commonwealth University land this puppy. They get an affirmative action three-fer: black, female, and a muslim. And does it ever show in the product.

Ward Cleaver,

GMTA

@20 Hari Seldon

In being redundant and spamming every thread...I have an idea for you, since you refuse to do your own research. Why don't you email Charles and ask him directly your question.

#29 Ed -- Here in suburban/urban Essex County, NJ the deer literally roam the neighborhoods. My kids walk by them on the sidewalks on the way to school. I've been within ten yards of them live. They move on when it suits them. They have no fear. And why should they? The PC PETA terrified politicians and 2nd Amendment haters won't deal with the menace. You can't keep a garden, Lyme disease runs rampant, but you can't touch a deer without doing hard time in State Prison. Welcome to the independent socialist democratic republic of New Jersey where governors are appointed, not elected.

#41 the_flying_pig

It's an oxymoron.

Oh, like the term "diversity professionals". I read that one this week, on an intranet site at work. Freakin' hilarious.

#49 Stop Hillary

Silencers and a Quik-Cut slaughtering diagram. And electric chainsaw would help too if ya'll have big deer up there.

Mark the freezer packages "beef".

@49 Stop Hillary

Lymes Disease...if you or one of your family get it, sue the county. That is just blatant disregard for the safety and health of the public. Maybe if a child gets gored by a rutting buck and stare at a multimillion suit they'll change their tune.

#47 Rayra

Fantastic! Thank you :-)

OT

Still looking weak for accumulating snow in Northeastern cities Sunday night. After the equinox, a manly storm is required to make it snow hard enough to overcome the warming of Spring and accumulate snow on pavement and cancel school.

Parts of Minnesota had enough snow to cancel school, but I don't pay attention to the Upper Midwest. Ditto Denver. When I was in Denver once for a job interview, I read that the city is warmer on average than NYC in the winter, gets about the same amount of snow, and has less vertical relief than NYC.

Yes, one gets a magnificent view of mountains from Denver, but the city is flat, especially driving out to the airport.

Don't get too excited about Denver either. Everything in that city gave me painful electric shocks.

SE Texas gets pretty unstable tomorrow afternoon, 2500 J/Kg CAPE and LI of -6 to -8^oC, but while 0 to 6 km shear of 50 to 60 knots will support storm organization, 0 to 3 km helicities at/below 100 m²s^-2 (or less than 100 Joules/Kg) means tornado threat will be low compared to hail.

Now, the best action Monday looks to be a little further north, perhaps centered on North Texas and Oklahoma, mainly along and east of I-35.

Helicity Monday afternoon is forecast by the 0Z NAM to be above 200 J/Kg generally east of I-35, nearing 300 m²s^-2 near Shreveport and Texarkana, with the most unstable LI, -8 to -10 ^oC in East Texas and -4 as far north as Tulsa, and CAPE above 1000 Joules/Kg east of I-35 as far north as the Kansas-Oklahoma state line, and in excess of 2500 J/Kg in East Texas.

Not a perfect setup for a Mega-Tornado outbreak, but enough instability and shear for the first real tornado outbreak of Spring 2005.

[punchline]

... thankfully this is not an islamic state ...

[/punchline]

RE#20

Go to bed now Hari, you are not making sense, and the adults are tired of you.

Cults never grow up..they just fade away.. or strike out in a new direction. I bet the orginal kool aid death cult of jim jones still has a few die hard followers ..who sit arround and day dream about the great times they had when the kool aid wasn't posioned. when they grow old and die the cult he started will end..lets hope the ROP someday has that same fate. this woman wants a new direction..we will see..I doubt she will get followers, but if she does more power to her.

> “These people do not represent Islam,” said the clearly furious
> Nussruh. “If this was an Islamic state, this woman would be hanged,
> she would be killed, she would be diced into pieces.”
>

But, he at least he didn't say that women are less talented (on average) at science and math than men are. THAT would get him in trouble.

Correction: If this were an Islamic state, this woman would NOT be hanged, killed, and diced into pieces. Rather, she would be hanged, diced into pieces, and killed. (It is un-Islamic to dice up an already dead body.)

I thought it said:

Amina Wadud, an African-American professor of Islamic studies at Virginia Commonwealth University and author of “Qur’an and Woman: Beheading the Sacred Text from a Woman’s Perspective,” It's time for me, namesake of a great President, to go to sleep. Meds working now...

“I don’t want to change Muslim mosques. I want to encourage the hearts of Muslims, both in their public, private and ritual affairs, to believe they are one and equal,” said Wadud before the service.

I'm thinking this woman never actually read the Koran. Maybe she took a course in "The Multicultural Glory of Islam and Why It is So Superior to The White Man's Imperialist Christianity" and just read what PC textbooks had to say about the Koran. "Muhammad was an early feminist. He liberated women from the tyranny of lookism by having them cover their faces." She bought the ivory tower view of Islam and now she's out in the real world of Islam running around saying infidel stuff like women are "one and equal."

Sooner or later, multi-cultie-we're-all-wonderful-except-the-white- man has to colide with Islam's actual doctrines, which have nothing to do with PC bunny fluff.

If this was an Islamic state, this woman would be hanged, she would be killed, she would be diced into pieces.

He lives in the United States. What is wrong with this picture?

Now pretend Christians went around saying crap like this.

OT: The Queen of War & Violence Hugged a Sumo Wrestller in Japan Today.

#54 Ed Mahmuod

Would you please tell me the forcast for northern calif. for the next week? That is north or Sacramento... ;-)

To 61...Excellent post Donna and oh so sadly true!

Regarding this honest Muslim's reply as to what would happen to this lady in an Islamic state, I think she would actually be stoned for playing the part of Imam right?

#61

Boy, is she in for a rude awakening.

For deer.. silencers are out (federal felony) but a nice crossbow.. would work. theres always drive by shootings..they never seem to catch the ones who shoot people that way.. doubt they would deer shooters either.. but god help you if your soo bad a shot you hit a house or a kid . and what about loud music.. like i listen to in my neighborhood from cars.. how do deer feel about the F and N words maybe they would move away..another law that doesn't get enforced much you can try to run off our wild life friends. as for lime desease I agree sue the hell out of any city county or state that allows that kinda deer herd to infect the population.. write your representives there and find out how much Taxes deer pay..and let them know your going to pay the same as them since they live in your yard.

RE#64

That's north (OF) Sacramento. pimf?

BBC only tells us that Nussrah said she would be hanged... they omit the chopping...

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

"She is tarnishing the whole Islamic faith. If this was an Islamic state, this woman would be hanged," one man, Nussrah, told the Associated Press.

For any doubters, note this man truly believed what he was saying.

Islam has a looong way to go before we can be sure it has been defanged. If only their 'sacred' book didn't read like a bad copy of 'Mein Kampf' fuzed with nursery rymes and wives tales.

JFM

47 Rayra

the photo showing Kerry with a shotgun shows what a dumbass he is

one of the most basic rules of gun-wielding is

NEVER PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER UNLESS YOU PLAN TO SHOOT and you are looking at what you're going to shoot

he's just standing there giggling with a shotgun in his hands and his finger on the trigger

stupid, stupid, stupid

that's how gun accidents happen

Pretty rainy in NorCal next few days. Short breaks here and there, but generally wet.

Home on a slow interweb connection, but quick look at 18Z DGEX suggests pretty wet, especially just south of Sacramento and toward the coast Wednesday. Starts drying out Thursday as rain shifts south and east into SoCal and the deserts.

DGEX also suggests another tornado outbreak I-35 corridor next Friday, Texas and Oklahoma.

Interior NorCal temps mid-upper teens Thursday, lower 20s by Friday afternoon. Temps near 25^o in North Texas Friday will help generate more instability.

A co-worker recently told me about his cousin, a trophy wife whose hobby seems to be marrying doctors - and changing religions. She was raised Catholic, then she married a born-again Christian physician and became born-again. Left him for Dr. #2, a Jewish surgeon, and converted to Judaism. Got bored with that, met Dr. #3, a cardiologist from SA, married him, converted once again, and moved to Dallas.

My co-worker says the divorce from the second guy was very bitter. That, plus the undoubted influence of her latest religion and present hubby, have made her a raging anti-Semite. Gary said he can't even talk to her for 5 minutes without her going on about how "her eyes have been opened to the truth" about the awful Jews.

Well, when she gets sick of wrapping her pretty, empty head in a hijab and decides to move on to the Sikh internist down the block, she'll be in for a nasty surprise. Because I doubt hubby and friends will let her just leave Islam with her son in tow. It's not a faith you can just dabble in for a few years and drop. The Believers won't let her.

Don't know much about Islam, but I learned today.. Muhammed's first wife was a rich widow..many years older then him..but who paid for his camel trips into the desert. Saw so many ties to sKerry I wonder if (skerry) will be a prophet in 1000 years..assuming ketchup face's money holds up for another election run.2008.

68 Rayra

What a bunch of Bastards, but I'd expect it from SF.

#74 Ed

Thanks for the info. Trying to figure out when to go back to work.

Me and severe- SPC just posted today's 0600Z SWODY1 an hour early.

Me- SE Texas gets pretty unstable tomorrow afternoon, 2500 J/Kg CAPE and LI of -6 to -8oC, but while 0 to 6 km shear of 50 to 60 knots will support storm organization, 0 to 3 km helicities at/below 100 m2s-2 (or less than 100 Joules/Kg) means tornado threat will be low compared to hail.

SPC has greater than 2 but less than 5% probabilty of tornadoes within 25 miles of a point in SE Texas, and greater than 15% but less than 25% for severe hail (dime sized) and winds greater than 58 mph (about 100 km/hr) within 25 miles.

...SERN TX AND SRN LA/MS...
A TRICKY FCST FOR SEVERE TSTMS ACROSS THESE AREAS TODAY AS FOCUSING MECHANISMS FOR STRONG ASCENT OVER THE REGION WILL REMAIN A BIT AMBIGUOUS. AS MENTIONED ABOVE...AXIS OF WEAK LOW LEVEL CONVERGENCE ASSOCIATED WITH THE UPPER SHORT WAVE TROUGH AND SURFACE CYCLONE CROSSING THE MIDWEST WILL MOVE INTO THE LWR MS VLY DURING THE DAY. STRONGER FORCING FOR DEEP LAYER ASCENT ALONG THIS FEATURE WILL LIKELY BE LOCATED OVER THE MS VLY AREA FROM NERN LA INTO NRN/CNTRL MS EARLY IN THE PERIOD WHERE PHASING BETWEEN A MIDDLE STREAM SHORT WAVE TROUGH AND A SRN STREAM IMPULSE WILL OCCUR. INSTABILITY EAST OF ANTICIPATED ONGOING CONVECTION IS NOT EXPECTED TO BE PARTICULARLY HIGH GIVEN PRESENT AIR MASS AND LIMITED HEATING DUE TO CLOUD COVER.

CLEARING AND WEAK SHORT WAVE RIDGING AFTER THE PASSAGE OF THESE FIRST MID/UPPER LEVEL DISTURBANCES WILL ALLOW FOR STRONG DESTABILIZATION ALONG THE RESIDUAL LOW LEVEL BOUNDARY FROM LA WWD TO THE TX COASTAL PLAIN BY AFTERNOON. SURFACE TEMPS IN THE 70S AND DEWPOINTS IN THE 60S...TOPPED BY RELATIVELY COOL AIR ALOFT...WILL RESULT IN SBCAPE VALUES POSSIBLY APPROACHING 2000 J/KG FROM VCT TO HOU TO LCH. GIVEN THIS MAGNITUDE OF INSTABILITY...AND THE PRESENCE OF MODEST WLY MID LEVEL FLOW ATOP WEAK LOW LEVEL WINDS...ANY DEVELOPING STORM WILL HAVE A GOOD CHANCE AT PRODUCING LARGE HAIL AND HIGH WINDS.

A COUPLE OF SCENARIOS ARE POSSIBLE WHICH LEAD TO THE GREATER PROBABILITY OF SEVERE STORMS. 1) EARLY ACTIVITY ALONG THE BOUNDARY OVER SWRN MS/ERN LA...AND ASSOCIATED WITH THE LEADING SHORT WAVE
TROUGHS...BACKBUILDS INTO STRONGER INSTABILITY AND BECOMES SURFACE-BASED FROM LATE MORNING INTO THE AFTERNOON ACROSS PORTIONS OF CNTRL/SRN LA...AND/OR 2) PERSISTENT CONVERGENCE AND HEATING ALONG RESIDUAL BOUNDARY...OR OUTFLOW FROM MORNING CONVECTION... PROVIDES A FOCUS FOR LATE AFTERNOON/EVENING CONVECTIVE INITIATION FROM SRN LA INTO TX...AHEAD OF THE NEXT APPROACHING SRN STREAM SHORT WAVE TROUGH. SHEAR AND INSTABILITY IN EITHER OF THESE SCENARIOS WOULD SUPPORT A FEW SUPERCELLS OR SHORT LINE SEGMENTS WITH WIND AND HAIL LIKELY. IF BOTH SCENARIOS BECOME INCREASINGLY LIKELY...HIGHER SEVERE PROBABILITIES WILL BE REQUIRED WITHIN THE SLGT RISK AREA

I see Nussruh's response as central to the dysfunction of Muslim males.

Seperated from pre-puberty into male only and female only groups, the males don't know how to respond to a woman as anything more than a thing, an owned and subservient object, a penis-receptacle, dirty, debased and half as good as a man.

The relative advancement of America's womanhood, altho not yet complete, is SO FAR BEYOND the strictly proscribed confines that they're accustomed to that they feel terribly threatened AND unable/unwilling to deal with their own threatened feelings.

Hence the 'honor killings', rapes and weekly state-sanctioned killings for the poor men who were caught molesting or abusing boys or girls. The princes and rich among the Muslims cover their crimes, but the lowly are forced to pay a terrible price for being raised in a culture of sexual oppression!

I'll try to get off my Patty binge.

If you never been... Go!

[Link: pweb.jps.net...]

This place is unforgettable.

#80 Iron Fist

Where have you been all day? (retorical question) Could have used your help with a little POS named pit...somethingorother.

“If this was an Islamic state, this woman would be hanged, she would be killed, she would be diced into pieces.”

Wow the female slice and dicer, saw that on TV...$19.95 AND they tossed in a bomb belt, for the first 100 callers Plus you got a second slice and dicer for free.

Ahhh those crazy islamics...still up to their 'necks' in fun.

The greatest threat Islam faces today is not the non-muslims but psychopaths like "Nussruh".

#82 freedomplow

Where is that from? It looks a lot like where I live.

Test

83 Robert D

Dang, there was a troll on earlier? and I missed it?

#88 Kragar:

That's a matter of some debate. People have different definitions of what a "troll" is and, apparently, those definitions are quite expansive in some cases.

Check out today's huge and ugly thread to see what I mean.

89 Jheka

at 1500+ posts, I think I'll pass on that thread. I'll just say that a troll is like porn, hard to explain, but you know it when you see it.

mmm, porn.

ROPMA

don't they realize that Arabs (Muslims) were the first to sell African blacks into slavery outside of Africa ?

If they were rational, maybe!

don't they realize that Arabs (Muslims) were the first to sell African blacks into slavery outside of Africa ?

Wait a sec! Do you mean what the liberal education system about it being whitey's fault is a lie? But what about all the guilt they've been trying to weigh me down with? Is it all lies as well? DAMN THEM!

/sarc

As I tell my friends, They hide that kind of information in books.

#88 Kragar

I'll have to leave it to the experts, but, when a person will not pay attention to what 95% of the people are saying and keeps spouting their version, without answering directly, that's a troll. Please don't waste your time and try to go back to the 1400+ comments on that post. It was a bad free for all.

#47 Rayra
OT - W fans get a load of this great photo-comp contrasting Bush and Kerry -

Man, I never realized that Kerry was such a DORK.

It's rainin' like hell up here, and scheduled for tomorrow too, Rayra -- I wouldn't be surprised if the SF ANSWER rally is a washout. Hope the weather's going to be OK for the one in LA -- for a rare sighting of the reclusive moonbatticus austrocalifornicus. Maybe with your help, they'll become an endangered species soon.

Hey, did anyone watch Nightline tonight with that prick Muslim comic? Just the teaser made me so sick and angry I couldn't watch it. Here's a couple of his "jokes":

"Blacks say they can't get a fair trial in this country. Well, Muslims can't get a trial in this country."

"If Americans want Muslims to stop hating America maybe they should stop killing them."

What a jackass.

96 tigger2005

I would respond with:

What would a Muslim know about fair trials anyways?

and

If Muslims want Americans to stop hating Muslims maybe they should stop killing anyone who disagrees with them.

#57 BingoBunny
Cults never grow up..they just fade away.. or strike out in a new direction. I bet the orginal kool aid death cult of jim jones still has a few die hard followers ..who sit arround and day dream about the great times they had when the kool aid wasn't posioned.

Strange that you mention that, BingoBunny! I got a pre-release copy of a new book about the Jim Jones cult right here, and -- you guessed it! -- it's PRO People's Temple. The author -- a 9th-degree moonbat, needless to say -- lavishes praise on the "social justice" blather that Jones was always spewing. To the author, Jonestown was sort of like a left-wing Ruby Ridge -- the big mean white man's government forcing the black revolutionaries into an act of suicidal bravery.

I wish I was making this up, but I'm not.

Also, people outside the Bay Area don't know that Jim Jones was a huge Democratic Party fundraiser and was a favorite of not just Jimmy Carter but Rosalyn Carter too!

Ah, memories.

PS -- It was Flavor-Aid, not Kool-Aid. Little-known detail.

Grape.

Would someone please send Rayra a personal invisibillity belt? Can't believe he doesn't have one already. Supply chain is a mess.

If this was an Islamic state, this woman would be hanged, she would be killed, she would be diced into pieces.

But he left out the ritual holy rape. Folks, this is a sign of moderation!

(OT) If you selfish NEOCON BASTARDS would support Pacifica Radio, "we wouldn't be in places like Iraq, we wouldn't be basing the largest part of our global economy on weapons manufacture, people wouldn't be starving to death in the Congo, they would be fed."

You bastards!

BTW, did you know that Pacifica suckles off the public teat? I thought they were funded purely by fellow moonbats, but no. They do get a chunk of cash from you and me. Read all about it here:

[Link: www.chron.com...]

#100 Iron Fist

No, you aren't cuddly soft - at all!

I like the way I hear how she won't feel anything. Anyone out there who has come back from the dead, please chime in on that issue.

And - I like the way they claim that dehydration causes euphoria. Met many folks who have gone without water for a week that would be willing to repeat it as an experiment?

Not.

OT

Iceland to Grant Ex-Chess Champ Fischer Citizenship

I wonder which diplomatic ties the Japanese favor more closely, the US or Iceland? Hmmm, that could be a real stumper there.

Anyways, the criminal charges would still be pending, so granting him another citizenship really doesnt mean a thing.

#103 Iron Fist

Actually, I was thinking of the biggest and best: The Stalin Belt.

There IS no history!

#100 Iron Fist

That one was of the female gender. She said her and her husband once talked about "the decision". And about your other point of what quality of life is about, I agree with you. In my younger years I thought I was invincible. Welcome to reallity, we all get older and change our minds. Sorry, rambling... Stick with the Harley and your way of life.

Ooooh, here's a photo ol' Jerry wishes that everybody would forget:

Jim Jones with Jerry Brown

Tapes of phone calls between Jim Jones and Rosalynn Carter.

There's photos of Jones with the Carters too -- too tired to track them down at the moment.

#105 Sarah D.

I have a saying about dying. I hope it will not offend too many. I don't know if there is a hereafter, but nobody I know has come back to tell me it's there. So I will fight my ass off to stay alive as long as I can. (part of that was quoted from someone that I do not remember) Don't want to be chutch like...:-)

Am I some type of deciphering machine?

I will bestow upon you what I call my most beloved:

Butthead!

StaliN PalMs?

#112 Robert D

Seems perfectly reasonable to me! When the time comes, it comes. I don't want some pissed off ex, or family member, or lawyer, or goverment lackey to make that choice for me.

"It's better to burn out than fade away."

#114 Iron Fist

You are only making it worse!

:-)

Well, folks, the Union Square BE-IN this afternoon, on the second anniversary of the Iraq war, only drew 250 protestors against the war/occupation/interim gov't/democracy.

And sang "Whatever It Is, I'm Against It!" (well, they Should have).

This is pretty funny, considering they bragged beforehand that they'd turn out some 20,000.

119 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

This is pretty funny, considering they bragged beforehand that they'd turn out some 20,000.

Thats what photoshop is for.

#118 Iron Fist

Come on down - russian studies start in the Fall.

'Night all!

You beat me to Sarah. Nite all.

It means that We Won.

Incredible.

NYC did turn out some 200,000 morlocks and moonbats a couple of years ago to march against the war, I think right after we'd WON the damn thing in three weeks.

They are such cretins.

A cell of them exists on Houston Street, between Mulberry and Mott, with posters saying "Our Troops Out of Iraq Now!" and other such edifying ideas. But even here, one of the epicenters of Bush-hatred, they can only scare up 250 in the whole city who'll even bother.

These are the retards who go to the square with pro-Philistine posters on weekends and bother the Farmers' Market-goers.

So who is still up then?

No one?

Then I hereby claim this Thread as mine, all must bow to me, master of the Thread. BWAHAHA

(yes, its a very slow night at work)

NOT SO FAST.

CURSES!

I see my nemesis Q has arrived but not so fast. For I have

a little suprise for you.

Well, that seems to have taken care of Q.

OT - I saw a anti-war protest in Melbourne, Australia Friday evening, the good news is that only about 1000 moonbats attended.

HA! You'll have to do better than that!

Zounds!

Now you have done it Q. You're forcing me to release ...

The Deadly Beards of ETRO!

A representative of the Religion of Peace™ also showed up, to call for Amina Wadud’s death. In New York.

pretty much says it all

I mean wtf!

Apparently, the Bearded ones have done their job.

A Google search on "Amina Wadud" is quite interesting: [Link: www.google.co.uk...]

Both she and ol' Nussrah seem a bit nuts to me. Cult members often want to make a macedoine out of each other. Example: [Link: www.netcomuk.co.uk...]

“These people do not represent Islam,” said the clearly furious Nussruh.

So what then IS true Islam? Men clergy only? Women clergy allowed? Sunni? Shia? Sufi? Ahmadiyya? Wahhabi? Koran-only? Koran+Sunnah? Greater jihad? Lesser jihad? Religion of peace? Religion of justice? Terror? Non-terror? Sharia? Non-sharia? yadayada...

And too many Muslims have the nerve to blame media and the rest of the world for misunderstanding and misinterpreting true Islam, when Muslims haven't even settled among themselves what it is, even after 1400 years. Is it any wonder why we non-Muslims are confused about Islam?

"...she would be diced into pieces."

Oh, I get it now!

Islam is the religion of pieces.

"He's right of course."

Of course.

And what would the outcry be from the liberals in this country if a Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson had in engaged in such murderous rhetoric? Heaven only knows, but it's not the heaven with 72 whores waiting for self-righteous Jihadist "martyrs".

Morning, all. Long day in the office here.

# 136 doubledip

Actually, and in admittedly some limited aspects, one could easily say the same of Christianity.

139 Mike C.

None of that "moral equivalance" nonsense.

# 140 Kragar

Hey guy, no moral equivalency claims here. I was just commenting on doubledip's statement that muslims couldn't figure out what being muslim consisted of, and my personal observation that the same could be said for Christianity. Or Judeism of Buddism, for that matter. Sorry, don't know enough about the other major religions to comment. But that has no moral implications, and I'm not trying to justify any muslim actions of any sort, anywhere, anytime.

#141 Mike C.

Good morning/evening, needless to say I agree, most (if not all) religions have as their main objective advancement of interests of specific groups of people.

Mike,

From the New Sceintist:

13 things that do not make sense

OK, time for an early morning laugh. If this doesn't strike you as pretty damned funny, nothing will. Iowahawk, eat your heart out ! Reality has left you in the dust again.

Erratum #142

A definite article went missing there.

Mike,

They're cowards, they'll vote for it.

The Froggies won't want to be the ones who brought this whole house of cards down. They'd rather blame it on the Brits or Danes or whoever else.

OT From this morning's New York Post

Amir Taheri

Taheri is a sorely underrated writer and one of the strong pro-US voices who gets published in the Arab press.

What a great opportunity to shut-off the spigot and chase these clowns outta Dodge, U.N. 'not in mood' for more change.

Good, good...neither are we. Here's your hat, what's your hurry?

I think that if the founding fathers of the United States could have seen forward in time to Mr. Nussruh, and others like him, they would not have included islam in their provision for freedom of religion, they would have banned it.

Why do we let people like Mr. Nussruh, whose ideas are so dangerous to public safety, stay in this country?

I know that there is the argument that we are a free country, and that a person may think as he likes, but to say such things as Mr. Nusruth says is an act, not a thought, and similar, I think, to 'yelling fire in a crowded theater'.

These guys have got to go; deported back to the sandy desert of Arabia.

I wish Congress would stop twiddling around with steroids in baseball, and pass some serious legislation to get these crazy islamics out of the country.

OT

The BBC's latest conpiracy theory, is perhaps one of its wackiest yet. Some excerpts:

Mr Aljibury, once Ronald Reagan's "back-channel" to Saddam, claims that plans to sell off Iraq's oil, pushed by the US-installed Governing Council in 2003, helped instigate the insurgency and attacks on US and British occupying forces.

"Insurgents used this, saying, 'Look, you're losing your country, you're losing your resources to a bunch of wealthy billionaires who want to take you over and make your life miserable,'" said Mr Aljibury from his home near San Francisco.

"We saw an increase in the bombing of oil facilities, pipelines, built on the premise that privatisation is coming."

Gee, those insurgents are upset about privatization, if only we'd known earlier...

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

# 143 hm

What a great link ! I'm passing that one around. Tetraneutrons ! Woo Hoo !

3 cheers for Amina Wadud. In the US there is freedom of religion, and the right to worship according to your conscience is protected.

It would be good if the egalitarian services conducted by Ms. Wadud could be televised and shown to a massive audience, hopefully including the Muslim population in the US, and in much of the world.

The subjugation of women in the Muslim world generally, including their treatment as second class citizens, is one of the pathologies of the Muslim world. If Muslim women were accepted as equals in conducting egalitarian religious services, that doesn't leave as much room for generally holding them in contempt does it?

The pathologies in the Arab world, and in the Muslim world, are so numerous that it may seem overwhelming to contemplate healing them. But the process has to start somewhere. The President's plan to bring political freedom and democracy is a start. Giving women the feeling of empowerment in the Muslim world, and promoting religious liberty in the Muslim world, may also be important ways to start ending the numerous pathologies in the Arab world and in the Muslim world.

Good for you Amina Wadud.

For now, it is an isolated incident. But I hope that it will be televised, so that it might become far more than just one mostly ignored candle in the vast darkness of the Muslim world.

“These people do not represent Islam,” said the clearly furious Nussruh. “If this was an Islamic state, this woman would be hanged, she would be killed, she would be diced into pieces.”

I couldn't have put it better myself - is the MSM waking up? I'm glad Charles linked this, I heard the same story on BBC Radio last night, but they didn't give any airtime to chirpy ol' Nussruh or his ilk. They spun it like "Look - Islam's changing, so all you Islamophobes can STFU." So I guess the answer to my question is "probably not".

OT

Sheesh, I have the in-laws round, take a night off the PC and miss out on one of the biggest flame-grilled threads I've ever seen - hope things have calmed down a bit now. In a way I'm glad I missed it. It's VERY sad to see Jheka get hate-mail for essentially standing up for the right of someone to present their POV. But at least I got to see inside the head of one of LGF's more intriguing posters, BBCrackMonkey...

BUT...

FAO Sarah D., Promethea and others.

Whilst the cinders were cooling over here I got off my skinny ar$e and managed to get some nice shots of the University College London antiwar pajama-party moonbats. I've got to run now to meet my gf's dad (it's his birthday so no skulking away taking shots of idiots with Bushitler banners on the full march for me unfortunately) - but when I get back I'll try and post all the pikkies I have on a temporary blog or somesuch, perhaps with some rather unsympathetic commentary.

All in all a bit of a p1ss-poor protest, but still some nice pali-chic, a cardboard tank and some of the ugliest-looking mf's you've ever seen. The only shame is that the girl who handed me a Stop-the-War flyer who had the hairiest armpits I've seen on man, woman or beast appears to be immune to digital photography - either that or my camera simply refused to take such a hideous shot :)

Oh and I had the worst Irish flu I've ever had yesterday, which, judging by the state my comments of Thursday night was perhaps somewhat predictable :P Catch you all laters, I'm off to enjoy the sunshine!

How do you have a counter prayer service? Is that where you try to pray louder so that God will ignore the other prayers? I'm amazed they didnt accuse the zionists of being behind this. It seems like something that the zionists and infidel crusaders would be behind - equality.

I love it when Muslims attempt to explain how women are equal in Islam: They are equal in a different way, a superior way to the West, where women are used for sex and lust. In Islam women are made equal by being completely covered, submissive, and unable to lead prayers. Being a man, I clearly do not understand, so if some women could shed some light on this issue for me , I would appreciate it:

In the west, are you used as an object of lust and sex? Are you degraded? By being allowed to vote, and go to college, and become doctors and lawyers, priests and politicians, are you being suppressed? Would sharia law clear up all these problems? That way we could stone you to death if you did something silly like leading a prayer, or bringing shame to our family by going to that PiKA party. That's equality.

All muslims are equal, just some are more equal than others.

OT:

Palestinians Worried at Report Jews Buy Church Land

Now their are a few choice quotes from this article that really are very interesting.

"These lands are Palestinian lands, not lands from Crete or Greece," Marwan Toubasi of the Greek Orthodox Central Council told reporters.

So it seems that a Church that has owned the land for hundreds of years suddenly (or maybe in 1964 or 1967?) loses the right to do with it, what it please's.

"This matter clearly reveals Israel's plan to judaize Jerusalem," said Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurie in response to the Maariv report.

Ah I see Ahmed, the Jew's have to "Judaize" Jerusalem just to get connection. I guess thats why he's number 2 in the PA he's the second biggest denier.

More morning humor. From the new issue of Weekly Standard. Read it all. I laughed myself sick.

#155 manker

Oh, he is #2 all right.

Hopefully, Charles has the 7W girl providing him with fluids and "mothering"
I notice she seems to be missing this morning.
Sigh...lucky man if it's true

#157 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Whose #3, I want to know who will be next to a see a helfire up close and personal after Abbas and Ahmed intergrate the terror groups into the PA.

159 manker

#2 is an American joke. #1 is slang for urinating, #2 is slang for pooping. like if you have to go to the bathroom, "be right back, got to take a #2".

So I was calling him a shit.

“If this was an Islamic state, this woman would be hanged, she would be killed, she would be diced into pieces.”

Islamic Freak -or-
Leftist? (referring to anyone with whom they disagree)

sure, it the "religion of peace". But I really do see why leftists are so sympathic with these people and their cause.

"it's"

#160 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OH! I didn't get the joke, it's hard to get those things over the internet.

Somehow in the turmoil we have lost sight of Saint Pancake and her contributions. Let's take a moment and reflect

Remembering Rachel

Liberal Larry helps to put her in prospective

Is there something wrong with me brain if I find him funny?
In a sick irreverent way.

If anyone wishes to do so, an email of support to Dr. Wadud may be sent to her at:

wadud@wvu.edu

It may be the first and last email you ever send to her. She is black. She is uncovered. She is a woman. And she is an apostate from islam. The gates of ijtihad slammed shut a millenium ago. Nussruh is merely making a SBO.

Almost inconceivably (as she is an islamic studies prof (?)), in earlier e-correspondence with her, she acknowledged candidly that she had no idea what the Umdat al-Salik was. I sent her my usual links, and urged her to buy it and understand the consequences of her actions. I also encouraged her in her fight against the islamists, and wished her well.

The Sunni Shafi'i shari'ah, or the Umdat al-Salik

My ususal exhortation that every lizard buy this work of fiqh, so as to be able to credibly comment on islam.

164 Village Idiot's Apprentice

Nothing is wrong with enjoying Liberal Larry. I find it funnier when people think he is for real. They always miss line like:

We buried her there in the Mao Tse-Tung Memorial Zen Garden, her screams of "I'm still alive, you dopehead freaks!" ringing in our ears.

# 166 Kragar

Nothing is wrong with enjoying Liberal Larry.

Oh, yes there is. Two words for you - Sylvia Brown.

She ended up holding this prayer service at a church after three mosques turned her down, and the art center she planned on having it at received bomb threats.
[Link: cbsnewyork.com...]

Still doggedly off-topic, assuming there is a topic anymore. A rather different Second Amendment issue in this morning's Houston Chronicle. If anybody runs into Iron Fist, relay it to him - he's always interested in this sort of thing.

#168 TS

And you think this would have told her something, but nooo. . .

LLL's allegiance to their strange little dream world, even when it butts up against reality, is truly amazing.

OT (yes I know this is the second one, but this topic seems pretty dead already):

With friends like these who needs enemies?

And with enemies like these who needs friends?

I still have a hard time getting my brain around the fact that the Hollywood elite, and the MSM doggedly support the very same religion that would slit the elite throats for being apostate whores and infidels, and shut the MSM down immediately if the RoP was in power here. Nothing like embracing those that would want to kill you.

Has anyone ever written an alternate history novel based on the supposition that RoP was the dominant force in the western world, and where the progress of the world would be today if that happened?

Sort of like the article "A world without Israel"

As an aside, IESpell recognizes RoP as a word, and if you misspell it, the program spots it. Wonder where the program got its dictionary from.
Interesting

#173 Village Idiot's Apprentice

I still have a hard time getting my brain around the fact that the Hollywood elite, and the MSM doggedly support the very same religion that would slit the elite throats for being apostate whores and infidels, and shut the MSM down immediately if the RoP was in power here. Nothing like embracing those that would want to kill you.

I don't get it too, in Israel it's worse. The threat is right there (literally next door) and we still have groups like b'stelem, peace now, and meretz. Or better known as BS, kill me now, and meretz (hey it's an insultment to call any sane person a member of that party).

I guess the realization will come evantually, but it's sad that so many must die before it comes (or before people stop listening to the apologizers and friends of terror).

(OT)

I just totally lifted this from Roger L Simon's blog.

[Link: rogerlsimon.com...]

The international left's concern for human rights turns out to be nothing more than a useful weapon for its anti-Americanism. Jeane Kirkpatrick pointed out this selective concern for the victims of U.S. allies (such as Chile) 25 years ago. After the Cold War, the hypocrisy continues. For which Arab people do European hearts burn? The Palestinians. Why? Because that permits the vilification of Israel -- an outpost of Western democracy and, even worse, a staunch U.S. ally. Championing suffering Iraqis, Syrians and Lebanese offers no such satisfaction. Hence, silence.

Good news everybody!

While the tornado threat doesn't improve, between 2 and 5% chance of a tornado within 25 miles of any point in Southeast Texas, the severe hail (greater than 3/4" size) has been increased from greater than 15% to greater than 25%, and the threat for damaging hail, greater than 2" (5 cm) is now in excess of 10% within 25 miles of any point.

Winds greater than 50 knots (~100 km/hr) has increased from greater than 15% to greater than 25%.

Selected quote from latest (13Z) SWODY1

12Z SOUNDING FROM LCH SUPPORTS 09Z RUC FORECAST OF MAINTAINING MODEST CAPPING NEAR H85 THROUGH MUCH OF THE DAY. HOWEVER... COMBINATION OF SURFACE HEATING...WEAK CONVERGENCE NEAR SURFACE FRONT AND INCREASING VERTICAL MOTION AHEAD OF NEXT SYSTEM SHOULD ALLOW THUNDERSTORMS TO DEVELOP FROM THE LOWER MS RIVER VALLEY INTO PART OF CENTRAL/ERN TX INTO LATER THIS AFTERNOON. FORECAST SOUNDINGS INDICATE AIR MASS WILL BECOME MODERATELY UNSTABLE WITH DEEP LAYER SHEAR AROUND 40 KT...SUGGESTING STORMS WHICH DO FORM WILL BE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS. MOST LIKELY SEVERE THREAT WILL BE FROM LARGE HAIL...SOME OF WHICH COULD BE QUITE LARGE NEAR THE TX COAST PLAIN WHERE VERY STEEP LAPSE RATES AND RICHER
BOUNDARY LAYER MOISTURE WILL SUPPORT STRONG INSTABILITY. STORMS MAY DEVELOP INTO MULTICELL CLUSTERS OR SMALL LINES AND SHIFT ESEWD OFF THE TX COAST AND INTO THE LOWER MS RIVER VALLEY OVERNIGHT ...AHEAD OF FAST MOVING SHORTWAVE TROUGH.

Monday should have a more widespread severe outbreak (East Texas, northern Louisiana, Oklahoma, Arkansas, maybe southern Kansas and southwest Missouri) and low level wind shear should be much stronger, meaning tornado threat will be much higher than today.

#175 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs

The thing I would love to see is Bush wearing a Cowboy hat and boots, and shaking hands with the next Iraqi prime minister.

But a very good article, I'm glad he freely points out that "human rights" has in essence become the new "racism" card. The person is no longer a "racists" he's a "human rights abuser".

#173 VIA

Has anyone ever written an alternate history novel based on the supposition that RoP was the dominant force in the western world, and where the progress of the world would be today if that happened?

No need to fictionalize. We've recently seen it implemented. It was the Taliban in Afgahnistan.

It's a shame that this thread appears to have died- it is noteworthy. Professor Wadud is likely to accomplish what Irshad Manji is unwilling to do- die for her beliefs. It will be fascinating to watch the reaction by ACLU, NOW, MSM, etc. when a black, unveiled, feminist muslima is butchered for voicing publicly in the US, apostate views of islam.

#174 Manker

I really just don't get it. We are heavely infested with LLL's where I live (Baltimore) and when you talk to them, it's like there's nothing there as far as in depth understanding of what the RoP actually stands for. I am by no means a well studied person on the topic, but it's like they don't even have a clue.

Sorta like " Hey, that non-homonormative lifestyle you live, change..or die. That church covered dish supper you go to.. forget about it. Freedom of religion..toss it out the window. Freedom FROM religion..thats gotta change too".

Sorta like a 6th grader talking to a toddler, we just aint on the same level.

I've included several other articles about Amina Wadud in this post:

Woman leads Muslim prayer service in New York City

Hey Earl,

Thanks for posting that book about Shari'a law again, I saw that when you posted it awhile ago, considered buying it, forgot about it, later wanted to read it pretty bad, then couldn't find the link again. Now 'twill be mine!

Do you study Arabic by any chance?

RE my #180
OOPS
Homonormative =Hetronormative

Well, not really, but you get my drift.
probably mis-spelled both of them, too.
PIMF

#165 Earl

My ususal exhortation that every lizard buy this work of fiqh, so as to be able to credibly comment on islam.

I took your advice on this a few months ago and I agree, all lizards should get this book. It is a big help in understanding the Qu'ran

#180 Village Idiot's Apprentice

I think it also has a lot to do with being in the "in" crowd and conforming. Being a LLL today is the "cool" thing to do. Thats why when you ask something like 90% of the LLL protestors they don't know anything. Most of those people when you talk to them are completely ignorant, the most common phrases are something such as "stop 50 years of occupation", "Israel started the 67 war", and most famously "Israel the aparthied state and it's wall". That last one always drives me nuts, I guess Israel is the first aparthied state to have arabs on both sides of the wall, in the military, and in the parlament.

Iron Fist-

I got your e-mail.

Sorry for being gullible.

This is what she is up against:

[Link: www.wluml.org...]

The article discusses how she was treated at a talk in Toronto in February and is frank about the disrespect shown her because she is a Black female. She was accused of not knowing Arabic when she stated that she cannot support certain things in the Koran, such as the chopping off of hands.

I hope she is taking precautions, because I think her life is in danger.

# 176 AI

Well, despite ample opportunities, I've never been inside an active mosque. The main mosque in Muscat was open to visitors, and I was told it was worth going just to see the rug that reportedly cost $ 5 million. But I feel uncomfortable doing things like that. I didn't fell particularly comfortable going into Catthedral de Notre Dam, either, but I went. I always feel like I'm trespassing in those situations.

#189 Amy

This woman could be butchered just like Theo Van Gogh, on a street corner in New York, with CNN video taping it, and either you would never hear about it, or it would be reported as nothing more than a mugging gone bad.

And no, I am not hoping that anything happens to her.

hee hee, hee hee...heh

Of course the MSM will give the representatives of the RoPMA a free pass.

VIA #192-
Exactly.
And the people posting here who are calling her some kind of ignorant racist obviously have no intention of allowing the facts to interfere with their rhetoric.

Note to owners of 7 Windows;

I don't look at your ad to choose jewelry.
Bring back the woman with the narrow eyes.

I also don't buy Penthouse for the articles.

#182 American Infidel

You make a good point. The Dems and fellow Euro-leftists ARE indeed shameless.

OT
Going out to shovel 20" of snow off my sidewalk, when is winter going to quit Ed Mahmoud abo al Qahoo Martyr Brigades!

#183 sphinx

Thanks- well done on the purchase. It is remarkable the reaction one gets when one pulls out the Umdat and starts quoting back at an islamist or a moonbat, islamic fiqh. They just cannot believe that a khufr has this knowledge- it is just devastating in argument, as it represents irrefutable islamic jurisprudence. Heck, in my experience, most muslims have no idea where shari'ah comes from, or what it entails. They just slurp down the poisonous pablum served up by their (oft-unqualified) mullahs. I have also used excerpts from the Umdat in correspondence with moonbat MSM players- I personally take credit for three MSM personalities in Canada adopting an anti-islamist cant over a period of ~18 months (yes, I am serious about this).

No, I am not yet studying Arabic- I tried to get into a first year university Arabic course this year, but (significantly) it was over-subscribed. I am not sure if this is because some of the smarter undergrads want to get jobs with CIA, DHS, CSIS, RCMP, or if converts to islam want to get a better flavour of the Qur'an. I'll be semi-retired in a couple of years, and will take up Arabic then. If I have any acuity for the language, then I'll make myself even more of an "enemy of God" for the islamists ;)

#186 [engineer]

Yup, I know. You have become a powerful anti-islamist force by doing so.

NOTE: I am still looking for an English-translated, Shi'ite jafari shari'ah text, if such a thing exists. Please post if anyone has a source.

Amy

I honestly don't know enough on her stance to comment.

But I do know that if you don't tow the RoP party line, they publicly state that you need to die.

I kinda have a problem with any group that considers that little item a tenant of faith.

There are alot of people in this world that I don't agree with at one level or another, but I don't think that cutting off heads really solves the problem, only silences the opposition.

And if it involves the RoP, forget about the MSM covering it in an effective manner.

#191 AI

I bought it new. Heck, it's only $30, and for that you get ~1300 pages of well-organized, thoroughly-annotated, well-translated fiqh. Frankly, by legal textbook price standards, its a bargain.

And- it ain't gonna be revised anytime soon. Heh.

I once toured a really cool Hindu temple in Singapore that had a kick-a$$ blue skinned multiple armed woman riding a tiger while slashing at people with swords.

I also did the Buddhist temple tour when I was in Bangkok. There was a 1 ton solid gold Buddha. Cool story, when the Khmer invaded, the Siamese monks coated the Buddha with clay to fool the Khmer into not stealing it.

It worked, the Khmer never caught on, and may have killed the monks, so nobody knew what the Buddha was really made of until a chunk of clay peeled off.

Also a giant reclining Buddha at another temple.

Reminds me, I saw a female Buddhist monk, a middle aged Asian woman with a buzzcut wearing the orange robes at Home Depot last month.

Not my sense of style, but it doesn't raise the hair on the back of my neck like the Ninja women I've seen at Krogers.

Winter ends tomorrow in the early morning.

#204
Thanks Ed

#178

GW deserves a Nobel Peace Prize. But oh yeah – Nobel Peace Prizes only go to leftist approved losers.
So maybe not...

After two years of attacks on him as a historical illiterate pursuing the childish fantasy of Middle East democracy, he was entitled to claim a bit of credit. Yet he declined, partly out of modesty

#206 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs

and leftists approved terrorists

As an aside

We now know what a professor has to do to get fired around here.
Yeah, I know it's CNN. But what the heck.

Hey anybody watching those anti-war protests going on in britain and the rest of the world

They are sooo pathetic. The signs fall into 3 basic categories

1. Bring the troops home

I guess the LLL is so desperate to make Iraq a failure they want to pull out troops just to blame the ensuing chaos agaisnt Bush and the Heroes who fight their.

2. Free balistine

I don't see how that has anything to do with "anti-war" protest, but hey since the LLL says that Israel controls and is the imperialists stand in of the US (at the same time) they should be included in the protest. Anyways whats a LLL protest without demonizing Israel and calling for a second holocaust.

3. No war in Syria/Iran

The "pre-emptive protests", which I must say are hypocritically ironic. I thought the protestors two years ago were protesting agaisnt pre-emptive action. I guess those rules only apply to everyone but themselves.

Hey everybody:

sorry bout being so annoying spamming the threads, I was way over tired and way out of it when I posted it.

quark2: ya maybe I'll e-mail him but I actually dont even remember why I was posting about that so Probably won't

Iron Fist : sadly I can't Blame alcohol for this one I blame little sleep + no caffeine. Oh well

Again sorry LGFers

#191 American Infidel

Were you able to obtain NEW copies of the book or were they USED?

Mine was new. Got it from Amazon.

Islam divides the world into two zones: Dar ul Islam, the community of Muslims and Dar ul Harb, the community of infidels, which translates literally as the place/house/abode of war. As a consequnce, Islam demands in its theology that permanent war be fought by Muslims against non-Muslims, the results of which are, as historian Samuel Huntington famously described it, that everywhere in the world that it encounters any other way of life Islam has "bloody borders." Whatever that is different that Islam encounters - Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, paganism, even Communist atheism - is subject to violence, terrorism, and attack. The reason for that consistent bad behavior is simple: that which is not Muslim is that which is to be conquered and enslaved.

Lest you think this is somehow obsolete religious theory, here's a quote from the Islamic newspaper "Al-Muhajiroun," on January 27, 2001:

"Upon the establishment of the Islamic State, the whole world will potentially be Dar ul Harb since the foreign policy of the Islamic state is aimed at conquering the world...once the Islamic State is established anyone in Dar ul Harb will have no sanctity for his life or wealth hence, a Muslim in such circumstances can then go into Dar ul Harb and take the wealth from the people unless there is a treaty with that state. If there is no treaty, individual Muslims can even go to Dar ul Harb and take women to keep as slaves."

And here's a quote from less than a year ago from Muslim cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed "I believe the whole of Britain has become Dar ul-Harb...the infidel has no sanctity for their own life or property."

So clearly this isn't just ancient religious theory, this is what the these people believe today, and this is why we are their enemies, whether we want to be or not. As Auden put it in the aptly named "There Will Be No Peace":

"You must live with your knowledge.
Way back, beyond, outside of you are others,
In moonless absences you never heard of,
Who have certainly heard of you,
Beings of unknown number and gender:
And they do not like you."

Islam is anything but the religion of peace: Islam is the religion of permanent non-stop 24/7 war against all who are not Muslim.

What can we do about that? Fight back hard, stop them cold, and take Auden's advice to heart:

"There will be no peace.
Fight back, then, with such courage as you have
And every unchivalrous dodge you know of"

OT

Just talked to eeevil conservative:

Bo Gritz just got arrested in St. Petersburg.

About Bo

#192 VIA

This woman could be butchered just like Theo Van Gogh, on a street corner in New York, with CNN video taping it, and either you would never hear about it, or it would be reported as nothing more than a mugging gone bad.

Or, we'd have Ibrahim Hooper explaining how it's an expression of religious freedom, protected by the First Amendment.

# 198 AI

I DID go into Notre Dam. And into the Niew Kirk in Delft (William of Orange's tomb is there) and many others besides. But every time I do so, I fell vaguely uncomfortable. To me, such places are just tourist locations. But to others, it's their house of God, and I always feel like a trespasser. Felt the same way the other week going to the Buddist temple complex here.

# 209 Iron Fist

Long time, no hear ! Glad you spotted the post, the article and the link. I just knew you would find it of interest.

Well, lizardoids, that's it for me. Gotta get up in a mere 5.5 hours and go to work, so color me outta here.

#218 Sarah D., they arrested him?!?!?!

What next? A gay imam?

Like chicken soup; it couldn't hurt.

Gay fuslims unite! Protest in the arab street! Demand equal representation: a gay imam!

Then duck!

Where's Aisha when we need her?

Am coming really late into this thread. Did not dare to get into the Schiavo one last night.

#221 Roger

Yes, apparently this is what he wanted to happen.

#222 American Infidel

Looks to me like things are heating up. Sherri said that a subpoena wasn't served to Terri yesterday, but should be today.

#226 Sarah D., for what? Being a tourist? How does that help? Shouldn't the judge be arrested according to the citizen's arrest?

In this case he is up against loiyers. Not like marksmen in the FBI who were glad when something stops them from follow lowsy orders. The loiyers will just laugh and stick him in jail. It will take a large crowd to help?

#222 American Infidel

"I am just crushed about Terri Shiavo, my mom and I were blubbering this morning".

Me too. Her husband was awarded over a million in the malpractice suit. My understanding is that one of his "pledges" in the suit was to stay married to Terri and care for her. As soon as he was awarded the $$$, he then tried to get her care stopped including refusal of treatment for infections.

To me, this is murder, plain and simple. And the legal system is letting him do it. He wants her DEAD.

#228 Roger

Here's what I understand about the citizens arrest: Bo stopped in Tallahassee and filed the arrests with the Governor. The Governor then sends them to the local sherrif's department to enforce.

I have no idea what they arrested him for, Sherri didn't say and I forgot to ask - but I'm pretty sure this is what he wanted to happen.

“I don’t want to change Muslim mosques. I want to encourage the hearts of Muslims, both in their public, private and ritual affairs, to believe they are one and equal,” said Wadud before the service."

Great news -- the opening shots of a possible Islamic reformation, and led by American women. That's entirely fitting. Good on ya, girls!

This Amina Wadud -- "African-American professor of Islamic studies at Virginia Commonwealth University" --is a piece of work -- a self-proclaimed post-modernist -- browsed her site, larded with po-mo-speak:

"I myself am a postmodernist, so I tend to say this is a postmodernist resurgence, in that all of postmodernity has been about rethinking or reconfiguring the past so that it's commensurate with a much more pluralistic and dynamic future."

"Postmodernism has allowed us to understand that unity across the planet will be much more diverse -- and that includes Islamic diversities."

Unity will be more diverse, got that? She's directing her po-mo, feminist, American university liberal ire at the dad-gum patriarchy -- but the Islamic one this time. Gotta love it! Finally the University Left rises up to do their part in the war on terror! -- and they do it not by coming over to our side, but by spouting the same goofy claptrap that drives us to distraction... well, it's going to drive middle-eastern Muslim men insane! (I mean, even more insane, if that's possible)

We're bringing out our big guns now, boys, our dreaded po-mo-feminist-college-elitist-liberal-progressivi st Big Berthas! Stand thee back! Okay, I laugh, but this is good work the woman is doing -- that these tough broads are doing -- and I wish them well. It's high time Muslim women stood up and demanded to be treated as equal human beings. It's also high time they stood up and demanded an end to the practice of Human Sacrifice -- of Martyrdom -- in Islam, and also an end to the practice of Jihad. (You've got your work cut out for you, ladies.)

Who knows where this may lead, but it is promising. Remember well the date -- this may be the beginning of the Islamic Spring.

The Reaction: Gathering together to pray

Some tried to breach the gates. When retired Army Col. James "Bo" Gritz of Sandy Valley, Nev., dressed in a leather Harley-Davidson jacket festooned with patches and medals, went to try a kind of citizen's arrest of whomever in the hospice, he was refused entrance.

I imagine he continued trying.

# 229 A.I.:

I am afraid for my country, because I don't see anyone in law enforcement (police, DA's, etc...) standing up and saying this is just wrong wrong wrong...

A very pertinent point. It appears as though society's moral relativism has come home to roost.

I still can't get over the fact that they are going to starve and dehydrate Terri to death. And doing this without benefit of a trial nor any appeals. This troubling case represents the amoral sickness in our Government which is taking hold in society from conception to the deathbed. And the future looks disquietingly bleak.

#235 American Infidel

"This is a bad day in Americas history, a very bad day..."

I agree. I keep praying for a miracle.

Sherri has pics of the arrest up.

FYI - Gritz was arrested for attempting to bring Terri Shaivo a glass of water.

#232:

I hope she has a guard... Because the ROP executioners are probably after her!

Activists keep vigil for brain-damaged woman now without feeding tube

It explains why Bo was arrested.

#139 MC

Actually, and in admittedly some limited aspects, one could easily say the same of Christianity.

Oh, most certainly! And I say that as a Christian myself...amen!

The difference I see with Islam is how it's so often touted by its adherents as the "perfect, complete way of life". Christianity does not advertise itself as a "perfect, complete way" in the slogan-like manner Islam does. Furthermore, Islam intends to spread this "perfect, complete" way in the form of government to run the affairs of everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim. What, after all, is an Islamic country other than one governed by this so-called "perfect, complete way"? Using this definition, there is no Christian country. There is no country that uses the Bible as its Constitution, not even the U.S. (despite those who fight for the 10 Commandments to be posted in gov't buidings, which I vehemently oppose). Nor is there anything in the Bible that decrees it must be implemented as a governmental document the way Muslims feel the Quran should be. Thank God! As a Christian, I accept the diversity of doctrine and opinions in my faith as a part of human nature and I feel the Bible confirms that (e.g. recording disagreements in the early church and among apostles). Frankly, I wholeheartedly embrace the "fracturedness", the imperfections of my faith. I believe the Bible allows room for opposing points of view. OTOH, I don't think Muslims can tolerate that very well, because of concepts like tawheed and sharia.

My point is that if Islam is so perfect, so complete, so filled with answers on how to run government and every aspect of society, it should prove that by surpassing every other faith in cohesiveness, oneness, and doctrinal standard. But it doesn't, and the things I listed in my previous post is a way to show Muslims that Islam isn't as perfect and complete as they dogmatically claim it to be. I feel once they let go of this "sharia" idea, they won't be falling all over themselves trying to implement "perfect" government on whole societies instead of just focusing on changing one's self, which is why I believe they're so frustrated at the present moment.

#68 Rayra - That is appalling. That article should be spread across the internet.