::invokes goodwin law:::

The Star Tribunes opinions are as valid as Stalins. Follow them and see where it gets you.

Don't you Rethuglican Eichmanns know that Hitler wanted an unbiased media!/LLL

But they are 'certified' journalists, they graduated from J-school. They and the Democrats have a God-given right to tell us what we think --- don't they? :-)

Maybe some of these boys crying wolf should actually be frog-marched to some work-camp for a three-year tour...if they could actually hold up to any "work".

Come to think of it, Minnesota is mostly Siberian-like in its climate for the majority of the year, so they'd have a pretty good headstart.

Spit.

Now imagine having to live in the squalor of this BS every day of your life...

Thank goodness for the internet.

Oh, yeah...it's kind of ironic to insinuate that Charles and Karl Rove want to "control" the Media and the Strib is just sticking up for the little man.

I ask you: on whose "media" can you interact with the "publisher"? On whose "media" can you actually present facts in which to back up said interaction?

Not the newspapers, that's for sure.

Would someone email me today's Right Wing mind numbed robot marching orders? My fax ran out of ink and all I got was streaks.

I love the smell of Hitler in the morning. It smells like -- victory!

attacking and discrediting independent journalism

Tha would be, like, Dan Rather saying his critics are driven by partisanship?
This comes from the same folks who believe in free speech unless it is (in their judgement) hate speech. Ward Churchill can talk about little Eichmans; but Columbus Day parades should be banned.
Ptui!

#8--are you related to the Janitor of Lunacy?

Its posters and readers are known for things such as cheering the death of peace activist Rachel Corrie and making bigoted comments about female Muslim tsunami victims.

Stop making bigoted comments about female muslim tsunami victims!

Boy, nothing like being able to substantiate your claim with hard evidence. What a vapid statement. I wonder what Lileks will have to say.
JWM

Hmm.. Comparing the "right wing" to Stalin, that's different...

I challenge Baker and the Star Tribune to prove it (they can’t, because I’ve never written or said anything like this), or retract it publicly.

Don't hold your breath...

Hope you're feeling better.

This article was pleasing.Does anyone else get satisfaction knowing how scared they are when they have to use lies to attack right wing blogs?

...So this female muslim tsunami victim walks into a bar...
JWM

people thinking for themselves? this is a bad thing.a very bad thing

Final score

Godwin's Law: 1
Minneapolis Star Tribune: 0

Sorry to be continuously off-topic -- I'm trying to be "ahead of the curve"! On the previous thread I posted about this topic, and now on this thread I'm posting about the next topic! Crazy. In any event:

OT

San Francisco Board of Supervisors votes to lower flags to half-mast to commemorate dead terrorists in Iraq. Luckily, the Mayor overruled the vote:

The weekend began with a controversy over the Board of Supervisors' decision to commemorate everyone who has died in the Iraq war, regardless of nationality, by flying the flag above City Hall at half-staff.

Mayor Gavin Newsom denied the request, arguing that the flag is to be flown at half-staff only when a prominent local figure dies or by order of the president or governor. Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi, who sponsored the resolution to protest the United States' involvement in Iraq, denounced the decision as "deplorable."

The anti-Americanism has gotten to this: city governments want to lower the flag in honor of those people who are fighting against our troops.
Un-frickin'-believable.

Don't you just love the far left maint stream media playing the victim?

If anyone would like to comment to the Star Tribune on this "opinion" piece, go here:

[Link: www.startribune.com...]

Scroll down to "Content", click on "News", and have at it.

This has been a public service provided by Not Neo, void were prohibited, all rights reserved

How dare this woman hurl these accusations. Karl Rove is going to hear about this.

i've been around the star-tribune my whole life. i no longer read it, however...it's just too blatantly partisan for my tastes. minneapolis is an odd place though. they believe things here that they don't even believe in vladivostok anymore.

Charles: Tamara Baker is Daily Kos before Daily Kos was Daily Kos. She is the editor of "American Politics Journal".

[Link: www.apj.us...]

She is left of Dean, Kos, Atrios. Her journal is among the more vicious you will find.

#17
i heard that one cept it started a little different

a female muslim tsunami victim, racheal corrie and a guy with a "cat" baseball hat walk into this bar...

I understand. What she means is that it is absolutuly vital that an independent press remain independent of facts, logic, and accountability.

#8
Nothing new today, world domination, strip away individual rights, kill kittens. Some o, same o.

How many female muslim tsunami victims does it take to change a lightbulb?
JWM

#25 axiom

Interesting web page she has there. It is, shall we say, a tiny bit unhinged.

...how much are they contributing to the stupidity of Minnesotans? Quite a bit from the looks of it...

I knew my FYI to you would get your blood pressure up.

Just shine some more light on the cockroaches, Charles. :o)

I caught that on powerline and --yawn --is the best word to describe it.

Imagine --news has now become blatant attacks on bloggers, or on anyone for that matter who they deem to not be --in their own opinion --a bona fide journalist.

Perhaps this is just one two possible stories... The first one contained facts, but was not interesting and didn't support the point of view of Tamara...

This version, however, is “something fresh so they will want to pick up the newspaper and read a story, even though the facts have been splashed all over the Web and widely broadcast.”

Ah...I love it when a plan comes together!

I find it odd that the same people who decry the power of Clear Channel also decry the news equivalent of plucky little independant radio stations.

Does anyone really think these writers read anything other than Kos and Eschaton, and draw their opinions of everything right-of-left (including the center) from there?

Wait, let me contract that:

Does anyone really think these writers read?

25 axiom

So, Tamara Baker herself is a "blogger" of the hateful leftist persuation, yet the Star Trib thinks she is worthy enough to print her attack on the so-called "right wing" blogs --which are, I am sure, any who do not subscribe to her opinion and ideology.

jwm: "So this female muslim tsunami victim walks into a bar..."

YEAH? THEN WHAT?!?

Let's see if I can get all three accusations wrapped up into one tidy little package:

"So, Herr Komrade, have you heard this one before? A rabbi, a capitalist, and a female Muslim tsunami victim are trapped on a desert island..."

David Brock, a former conservative activist who now runs a media-watchdog group called Media Matters for America, agrees with Franke-Ruta that Republicans' ultimate aim is the destruction of all objective reporting, so that they can say whatever they want, true or not, and get away with it.

Boatload of projection goin' on here.

And using David Brock, who once lied for the Right and now lies for the Left, to back up her argument just shows what a moonbat this Baker creature is.

The Strib must really be losing it these days. Minnesota, although still officially a blue state, is slowly becoming more and more conservative, despite the best efforts of the press. It was once solidly Democratic. That fact, and the presence of Powerline in their own backyard, is making them foam at the mouth.

#30 not neo just conservative

You have to read the journal on the Wayback machine. Tamara Baker has ok'd a number of articles that say John Ashcroft is a racist member of the KKK. She absolutely savages people with no regard.

Rayra: "ok, see you all later, I'm off to cover the Idiot Parade in Hollywood."

Wait! "Idiot Parade" where/when?

How is it that those on the LEFT can lie without repercussion?

Oh yeah – they have no shame - And a clear inability to fact check. But who needs to fact check when you’re a lefty? Lefties can pull stuff out of their ass and stake a claim.
Any claim. In fact, the facts just get in the way. The inmates at DU will defend, and the MSM will cover and or ignore.

Meanwhile, If any one who isn't a blatant leftwinger inadvertently lies or makes a mistake, they have to pay for it with constant scolding for weeks, months or years.

It's a classic case of the lefitst double standard. and so - the lazy fact devoid morally bankrupt left, strike again.

She still doesn't love you as much as she loves Andrew Sullivan or Zell Miller

Psycho Miller: They Can't Seem to Face Up to the Facts
Qu'est-ce que c'est? He makes those Bush twins look good! And just as the Bushistas claim that Psycho Miller's speech wasn't approved by the GOP...
... it turns out that's not what Uncle Karl said Wednesday night!
by Tamara Baker

Sept. 3, 2004 -- SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA (apj.us) -- Andrew Sullivan -- that's right, Andrew the Barebacking Tory Moralist SULLIVAN -- says it better than I can: (quotes AS about ZM)-Ed

Link 1

Google also shows she likes to review books:

Tamara Baker's comments:
If more Americans had read this book, Gore's margin of victory in 2000 would have been greater than the 540,000 lead he wound up with. A damning look at the GOP usurper Bushlet.

Link 2

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#38 Nancy

It's complete nonsense that the Star Tribune would print the byline "Tamara Baker lives in St Paul" without mentioning that she is the founder and editor of the American Politics Journal. APJ is to journalism what Jayson Blair is to reporting.

#40
you forgot rachel corrie

Charles, the moral pipsqueaks are after you.

yawn.

One female tsunami victim said to a second female tsunami victim, "what's that photographer doing with that camera?"

"Oh, he just wants to focus," said the second.

Puzzled, the second victim asked, "bof' us?!"

OK, so I went to American Politics Journal. Wow, I saw a "Bush = Chimp" reference. These people are very original! I have never heard that one before. It is very mature commentary!

Charles, there will come a time when the MSM must get it's nose bumped for libel and false statements against bloggers. They are doing it to see if they can. At some point the whole MSM must be put on notice that it isn't a very smart policy. You'll have to decide when and what issue is the best legal framework for letting them know they can't get away with it forever.

pimf!

the first victim asked "bof' us?!"

Her web site is complete with a Bush-chimp picture. Obviously an unbiased journalist from a great newspaper institution.

Boy I browsed her site and now I have to go offline and send my monitor out to be sterilized

Don't forget:

This female muslim tsunami victim goes to the doctor...

tsk tsk tsk

Off our meds are we Tamara?

I actually had a family live next to me where all the males were bipolar - seems it can be inherited - you could tell when one of them went off their meds. Tamara makes them seem lucid.

Goodness,

I didn't know she was PUBLSIHED at AMAZON !

She probably is in line for a Pullitzer...

NOT

I just emailed this to the Star Tribune at the email link provided:

The Opinion Piece Regarding LGF

"...‘Little Green Footballs,’ a right-wing blog whose founder, Charles Johnson, claims that he and not John Hinderaker’s PowerLineBlog was the first to lead the charge against Dan Rather last fall."

That is a false statement.

The days when you can foist such false statements on the public are over. We have our own media now and we're uncovering such falsehoods.

Get your act together.

In the meantime you're destroying your own credibility and your readership. Readership at the LA Times is way off due to just such biased and false statements.

You're a newspaper. Learn how to print the truth.

#8 The Sanity Inspector

Would someone email me today's Right Wing mind numbed robot marching orders? My fax ran out of ink and all I got was streaks.

The Karl Rove in my head said something like change diapers, warm bottle, change diapers, warm bottle...

But later in the afternoon I plan on squashing the free press like Hitler and Stalin with my thousands of secret police.

"Criticism and fact-checking using free speech = totalitarian dictatorships oppressing free speech"

/Insane leftist catechism which never stops despite the obvious inherent illogic

These people can't stand competition in the marketplace of ideas. This is what happens when mediocre minds get well-paid jobs in journalism.

PIMF

Pulitzer

Or

This female muslim tsunami victim is teeing off with an Irish priest one Sunday morning...

Charles Johnson, claims that he and not John Hinderaker’s PowerLineBlog was the first to lead

Do the Strib even has an editor checked for grammer errors?
Me thinks they dont has one.

Or

This female muslim tsunami victim gets stopped by a cop one day...

OT

2 hours ago the satellite derived CAPE values for SE Texas were approaching/exceeding 2,000 Joules/Kg.

Individual GOES satellite sounding for Houston.

Ledbetter profiler shows wind fields in SE Texas not particularly strong, minimizing tornado threat.

Still, these developing showers and storms in West Texas will find very favorable instability as they approach San Antonio-San Marcos-Austin-Georgetown metroplex.

Duh! I messed up and posting on the wrong thread. Should go here:

"The targets of the liberal blogosphere are conservative activists; the target of the conservative blogosphere is the free and independent press itself, just as it has been for conservative activists since the '60s."

What a crock of s**t!

The socalled "independent press" is so pissed that with the help of the bloggers, Americans have finally awakened to the smell of the MSM's liberal bias!

I've been around the MSM for over 30 years and trust me, at least 90% of the "independent press" lives, breathes, and writes liberalism. I did until Carter.

Interesting. The first time I clicked on the link to the article, I went straight to it. Now, they want me to register (it's free!). If you aren't registered and don't want to be, try this

Member Name: Bugmenot
Password: Startribune

Careful though, and make sure you've got your privacy controls set, Norton Web Security blocked an intrusion attempt as soon as I logged out.

Retract me previous statement -- didn't read in context.

But Charles you are right her website is ludicrous...

Everyone check out the article on Laura Ingraham, the brave author attacks her as the girl most likely "to perform drunken fellatio on her [Republican] friends from the Princeton Crew."

Now that is the kind of shrewdly adept political discourse worthy of the Strib's editorial page or Daily Kos (where that Gannon guy's sex life was a matter of National Security)

What a bunch of hate spewing a--holes...

The big thing left out, though Black hinted at it with his mention of right-wing blogs hounding the Star Tribune, is that the right and left halves of the blogging world have very different goals.

"The big thing left out"? My God. It sounds like it was written by a fourth grader.

Read the article (mercifully short, it was) and sent my polite, ladylike but chiding feedback.

Pity the clueless old stalinists at the Strib. Here they think they've got a solution to being plagued by truth-telling independent bloggers: find a witless lefty blogger to fight your battle by calling the new media "stalinist". Projection is the least of their psychological problems. Cognitive dissonance, anyone?

You can reach this charming woman directly at her blog:

editors@apj.us

Sticks and stones thrown by lunatics and crones.

#67 not neo

I also tried to reread her rant but was asked to register. F*** 'em I remember what she wrote.

She wrote about Trent Lott's statements. But what about the fact that only place I heard about WV's 'esteemed senator' robert KKK byrd telling Tony Snow that he knew some "White N***". The MSM loves the "feisty" byrd.

#68 American Infidel

When I logged off of their website, someone (I'm not saying the Star Tribune) tried to poach information off of my computer and my Norton Internet Security software caught the attempt and stopped it.

Would someone email me today's Right Wing mind numbed robot marching orders? My fax ran out of ink and all I got was streaks.

That's why you want to spring for the cranial implant. Sure it's more spendy than a fax, but you never run out of ink and there are no pesky documents to eat when the Valiant Members of the Free Press come knocking on the door.

Just a continous loop of instructions...

Must destroy free press...must destroy free press...must discredit Dan Rather...must oppress liberals...must laugh at female muslim tsunami victims...must destroy free press...

Charles:

You are in good company here. I know the guys at powerline have had this kind of thing happen to them before and if I remember correctly they got a retraction.

#79 American Infidel

I've got it set up to prompt me whenever my computer is accessed remotely. Sometimes it is completely innocent, like automatic updates, sometimes not.

What do you expect. The Strib will not even call the Cleveland Indians, the Cleveland Indians because it is offensive. They call them the Baseball team from Cleveland, or the Cleveland Ball Club. Same with the Washington Redskins.

I think you get the point that the only thing I read there is the sports page (which despite that bit of pc thuggery is actually quite good for the MSM - well if you like following Minnesota teams).

Interestingly, the Strib's internet edition had a relationship with the most reknowned Twins related blogger, the Twins Geek. The Geek after one season was uncerimoniously dumped because of the complaints from the staff writers that he was just a blogger and not a real journalist. Not surprisingly, the Geek's stuff outdid most of the MSM stuff.

The Strib is no differant than any other major newspaper, just read a opinion of Huffingtons in the LASlime on how illogical it is for Bush to accept any credit for what's happening in the ME. Her basis for this is, as far as I can tell is, That's what I think.

David Brock, a former conservative activist who now runs a media-watchdog group called Media Matters for America, agrees with Franke-Ruta that Republicans' ultimate aim is the destruction of all objective reporting, so that they can say whatever they want, true or not, and get away with it: "Their explicit goal is to get us to the point where there are blue [state] facts and red [state] facts."

Oh really? Seems to most with a brain, that "destruction of all objective reporting" is doing quite well under the weight of it's own fading power. Keep up the great work, Dan...ummm, Jayson...damn, Tamarra.

By the way, I think those at Powerline are about fed up with the "Red" Star Tribune.

It's not nice to libel and slander lawyers, is it?

LOL.

Not sure what kind of convention is going on at the Westin today here in the shopping mall/800 foot office tower/food court/ice rink complex, but many military types, USAF & USA. USA types in a variety of uniforms, cammies, office greens and some in the real fancy dark blue uniforms.

We haven't had a good convention here since the Conservative rabbis left a couple of weeks ago.

A swing and a miss!

The wacked out left wing.

Always goin' for the homer, always striking out.

OT
Charles, glad you are better.

Also, saw Tony Snow's name mentioned, which reminded me - remember to keep Mr. Snow in your prayers, while he undergoes treatment for colon cancer.

Thanks for the easy link to comments section Charles:

Regarding Tamara Baker's Opinion piece:

As a reader in San Francisco East Bay, I've followed Charles Johnson's 'LFG" blog daily for a couple of years:

Tamara Baker's statement that "‘Little Green Footballs,’ a right-wing blog whose founder, Charles Johnson, claims that he and not John Hinderaker’s PowerLineBlog was the first to lead the charge against Dan Rather last fall." is silly and blatantly false.

I've also edited all my children's draft English papers in High School. These Kids all got into selective colleges.

Tamara Baker's conclusion that: "In other words, Republicans for decades have wanted to control the press much as Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler did, by attacking and attempting to discredit independent journalism, and for them blogs are just the latest tool in their war." Wouldn't pass Sophomore (10th grade) English here.

You need to send her back to 8th grade to teach her how to construct the basic 5-paragraph argument essay.

You also need a "Truth in Advertising" disclaimer in the Headline of your paper... "The Star Tribune -- Suitable for new puppies and wrapping fish".

Could this be why the left blogs are so intent on making it their mission to attack "right" blogs?

Liberal and Leftist Bloggers Partnering With Mainstream Media
By Sher Zieve
MichNews.com
Mar 17, 2005
In a time when the leftist mainstream media is having increasing difficulty maintaining its monopoly on the news, the MSM are getting some needed and welcomed assistance. Liberal and leftist blog sites have offered to train and give needed ideas and assistance to their print and television brethren. The President of Democrats.com, Bob Fertik, has already helped the MSM with two conference calls. The participants who quickly acquired, and presumably used, Fertik’s call-in number include The Washington Post, CBS, MSNBC, Newsweek and the National Journal. These are just a few of the “news services” that would admit to it. Undoubtedly, there were more who wouldn’t.
One of the statements Fertik made was that ‘right-wing bloggers “invent” stories that more readily appear in mainstream media stories than do “progressive” (left-wing? Communist?) ones’. Really? The ‘right-wing bloggers’ invent stories?
The rest is at: [Link: www.michnews.com...]

She doesn't have a website. It's a troll booth.

Severe Storm Mesoscale Discussion for Central Texas.

Tamara Baker = Idiot

#74 bigel

So the female tsunami victim says "Yeah, it looks like Allah is pissed, but at least he didn't send a D-9! I'm gonna go find some breakfast."

Charles, my monthly check from Karl Rove is late (it usually comes, like clockwork, on the 15th). Can you find out what's happened to it? I need a new pair of goose-stepping boots.

/need i post a sarc tag?

Minneapolis = Moscow on the Mississippi.

If you are a conservative living in the Twin Cities it is not to hard to imagine that one is living behind enemy lines. The Twin Cities are a collection of true blue counties to the core, and it’s not going to change anytime soon.

Jim from the East Side

ps How many other lizards from the Twin Cities are there?

Just can't kill the Bush=Hitler "talking point" with a stick.

A couple of weeks ago some A-hole was comparing Auschwitz to Abu Ghraib. These people have no shame.

www.50thstar.blogspot.com/2005/03/more-absurd-nazi -analogies.html

#52 Gagdad Bob & #63 dak
female Muslim tsunami victim--- Islam dunk.

newsjunkie_ky #65

I agree. I would really like to one of these leftist idiots produce an example of a conservative figure silencing a liberal media source.

Thay cannot do it, although there are more than a few cases of the reverse, particularly in the area of campus newspapers.

She is projecting.

+Photi

Tamara Baker: Did Freepers Kill Nick Berg?

They just might be responsible for his death.

Golly gee whiz that Karl Rove sure rattles the cages.
But to get serious. I did my bit for lgf by sending a comment to the MST.
And I also took a peek at the dystopian web site run by Tamara B. Useless people like her are hateful in the true sense of the word.
The mind boggles at their approach to everything. Hell to alter the saying a bit hath no fury like a woman whose politics have been scorned by the majority.

I am going to put a link to American Politics Journal on my blog under "News from the Enemy" along with publications from the DPRK and the PRC.

I notices that the Strib uses an icon of a white star on a green field. I think that field should be red. Even so, it is reminiscent of the flag of North Korea.

+Photi

Read the article (mercifully short, it was) and sent my polite, ladylike but chiding feedback.

Cattt: I did the same. In other words, I treated the Strib with far more civility than they show towards others.

8

The Sanity Inspector  3/19/2005 09:53AM PST

Would someone email me today's Right Wing mind numbed robot marching orders? My fax ran out of ink and all I got was streaks.

LOL LOL

I am truly amazed that the "newspaper" that published this swill also is the home of James Lileks.

Then again, the LA Times publishes Michael Ramirez...

#20 zombie

Thanks for spotlighting the SF city craziness. Those folks are losing it altogether. Soon the tourism industry is going to pay a high price for this bizarre behavior. Their political inbreeding is starting to produce genuine imbeciles. No other way to put it.

I suppose just pointing out this truism makes me a right wing nut case. It's beginning to feel like a compliment.

Al

Tamara Baker & Maureen Dowd Exchange Emails Over the Clintons Accepting Gifts
Tamara uses the term Bush Junta, in her piece, and is upset Reps use supposedly satirical Dowd piece as proof of Clinton wrongdoing, as opposed to Clinton Dongwringing.

Forgive me, Spring is in the air.

There is a Free and Independent Press? Why do they charge 50 cents a paper and a 1.50 on Sunday, if it's free?

Baldy @ 108

LOL LOL

Roflol

Wow, there are oodles of whacky articles on Baker's site. The place is veritable treasure trove of silly things to slam the left about. My favorite is this post from National Lampoons' politics editor Steve Young:

Gee-elite-media-whillikers. You might as well say that infotainers like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, who have no real news experience or academic background to dissect complicated issues accurately, can't tell millions of fans the import of news and issues and how they should think about them! Tens of millions of believers will tell you that to silence those who tell them what to think would not only be immeasurably thoughtless, but it would leave them... thoughtless.

So only gen-u-ine brains like Young can do this? Accordingly then to Young only the properly trained people, who no doubt have the "correct" take on any given issue, are qualified to tell us what to think.

Shut down the blogs, people, Steve Young has finally enlightened us that we simply aren't equipped to make up our own minds about "complex" political "issues".

Why would they have a blatant Leftist write on this sensitive subject if the entire newspaper wasn't totally biased?

Caliphater @ 69

Everyone check out the article on Laura Ingraham, the brave author attacks her as the girl most likely "to perform drunken fellatio on her [Republican] friends from the Princeton Crew."

This excerpt of hers disturbs me... it is still considered crass and crude to speak, much less write, such in your face sexually explicit attacks... she is no better than Ted Rall... and she is supposedly a woman... As a woman, myself, I am deeply offended by this gross rhetoric from anyone, and especially someone who is noted as a "journalist." But doubly offended that it is another woman who stoops to this level... to attack another woman in such a vile manner...

#111 QM

You might as well say that infotainers like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, who have no real news experience or academic background to dissect complicated issues accurately,

In other words, they have not been Journalism School and properly indoctrinated...

*to*

Typical left wing prattle. As soon as you feel the arugement slipping out of your hands, throw in a refrence to Hitler, Stalin, Goebbels, Mussolini. Eichmann or any facist figure you can think of.

Bubble Girl

to be fair the garbage (2nd from top) came out of the mouth of a Jeff Koopersmith, "political analyst" extraordanaire. And for it to come from a man, IMHO, is even worse.

#113 Bubble Girl

Oh, no. It is very understandable:

Laura Ingram is much smarter *and* nicer looking than Tamara Baker. It makes perfect sense for Tamara to ad hominem attack Laura and accuse her of sexual misconduct. I've observed this behavior before when one woman thinks she has to degrade another because of her won insecurities.

Tamara Baker is a hack, an insecure hack and a lowlife POS. Snakeshit is higher on the evolutionary scale than she is.

She Thinks Iranian State-Controlled Media are a Good Source

Remember how Bush, in his press conference a week ago today, seemed to hint, smiling smugly as he did so, that WMDs would soon be found in Iraq?

Part of me half-wondered if Bush was arranging for "throw-downs" -- the police term for planted and/or otherwise phony evidence -- to be found. And, if so, when would they be found?

Yes, I know this sounds silly. But then I found I wasn't the only person with such thoughts. Check out this story, from Iran's Mehr News Agency.

this woman is an obvious "C.C.C."...classless, communist,c*#t

Is This The Same Tamara? It Says She's a Federal Employee?

I only pick up the Star-Pravda when I need to check out the help wanted section.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Sorry to be OT, but there is a BOGUS POLL ALERT!

They surveyed “adults” only! Yet, at the same time as this poll, Rasmssen has Bush’s JA at 52%. I know, Newsweak is horrible, but this poll is naturally getting a lot of pub.

Caliphater & Orson

Thanks Caliphater for setting me straight... on who the original writer was referring to Ms Ingram in such a blatantly crude manner...

Orson, I have seen other women LLL's "journalists" do the same so I can see how I jumped to the conclusion this little piece de crap came from her...

As for whether it is worse for it to come from a man or a woman.. First of all, it shouldn't even be written at all, like I said, it smacks of Ted Rall. But I now can't decide which is worse... I still lean towards it being "worse" coming from a woman, about a woman... I am in some ways a "feminist" in so much as I am glad to see that women have more opportunities than before... especially when it has been such a short time since women could not even obtain their own credit...

So for a "professional" woman to use sexually degrading false attacks upon another "professional" woman makes me think the woman making these remarks, is in some way, jealous, of the other woman... and is also a crude bitch with no manners to speak of...

Looks like Tamara Baker is taking cues from the Dave Berry School of Debate:

She has already filled some of the prerequisites for the the course:

1. Drinking Heavily
2. Making things up
3. Using obscure statistics
4. Compares your opponent to Hitler
5. Foam at the mouth (mine)

"I argue very well. Ask any of my remaining friends. I can win an
argument on any topic, against any opponent. People know this, and
steer clear of me at parties. Often, as a sign of their great respect,
they don't even invite me. You too can win arguments. Simply follow
these rules:

* Drink Liquor. (JD)

Suppose you're at a party and some hotshot intellectual is expounding
on the economy of Peru, a subject you know nothing about. If you're
drinking some health-fanatic drink like grapefruit juice, you'll hang
back, afraid to display your ignorance, while the hotshot entralls your
date. But if you drink several large shots of Jack Daniels, you'll
discover you have STRONG VIEWS about the Peruvian economy. You'll be a
WEALTH of information. You'll argue forcefully, offering searing
insights and possibly upsetting furniture. People will be impressed.
Some may leave the room.
* Make things up.

Suppose, in the Peruvian economy argument, you are trying to prove
Peruvians are underpaid, a position you base solely on the fact that
YOU are underpaid, and you're damned if you're going to let a bunch of
Peruvians be better off. DON'T say: "I think Peruvians are underpaid."
Say: "The average Peruvian's salary in 1981 dollars adjusted for the
revised tax base is $1,452.81 per annum, which is $836.07 before the
mean gross poverty level."

NOTE: Always make up exact figures.

If an opponent asks you where you got your information, make THAT up,
too. Say: "This information comes from Dr. Hovel T. Moon's study for
the Buford Commission published May 9, 1982. Didn't you read it?" Say
this in the same tone of voice you would use to say "You left your
soiled underwear in my bath house."
* Use meaningless but weightly-sounding words and phrases.

Memorize this list:

* Let me put it this way
* In terms of
* Vis-a-vis
* Per se
* As it were
* Qua
* So to speak

You should also memorize some Latin abbreviations such as "Q.E.D.,"
"e.g.," and "i.e." These are all short for "I speak Latin, and you do
not."

Here's how to use these words and phrases. Suppose you want to say:

"Peruvians would like to order appetizers more often, but they don't
have enough money."

You never win arguments talking like that. But you WILL win if you say:
"Let me put it this way. In terms of appetizers vis-a-vis Peruvians qua
Peruvians, they would like to order them more often, so to speak, but
they do not have enough money per se, as it were. Q.E.D."

Only a fool would challenge that statement.
* Use snappy and irrelevant comebacks.

You need an arsenal of all-purpose irrelevent phrases to fire back at
your opponents when they make valid points. The best are:

* You're begging the question.
* You're being defensive.
* Don't compare apples and oranges.
* What are your parameters?

This last one is especially valuable. Nobody, other than
mathematicians, has the vaguest idea what "parameters" means.

Here's how to use your comebacks:

You say - As Abraham Lincoln said in 1873...
Your opponents says - Lincoln died in 1865.
You say - You're begging the question.

OR

You say - Liberians, like most Asians...
Your opponents says - Liberia is in Africa.
You say - You're being defensive.
* Compare your opponent to Adolf Hitler.

This is your heavy artillery, for when your opponent is obviously right
and you are spectacularly wrong. Bring Hitler up subtly. Say: "That
sounds suspiciously like something Adolf Hitler might say" or "You
certainly do remind me of Adolf Hitler."
You now know how to out-argue anybody. Do not try to pull any of this
on people who generally carry wea
pons".

Tamara is a Dept of Agriculture Emplyee

Full disclosure here: I, myself, am a Federal employee. My agency, the US Department of Agriculture, lost several dozen good people at both 9/11 and Oklahoma City.

But the perps of one event get sympathy from the right-wing crowd, precisely because they're white males.

I must admit she is right to be furious at the types who harbored Eric Rudolph.

No female Muslim tsunami victims in this one, but...

A priest, a minister, and a rabbi walk into a bar.

The bartender says, "what is this, a joke?"

Is the Strib owned by a larger company such as Times-Mirror or Knight-Ridder?

Here is photo of Tamara (from my link in#121)
She looks like a Minnesota Molly Ivins

hmmm-she's also quite the liar. If that hag is 40 yrs. old I'll...oh, nevermind!

After reading some of Tamara's "work," I must admit to having a smile on my face. It's really wonderful to not be so angry. I'm happy knowing that I don't have to wake up every morning depressed, believing that the world around me is crumbling, and the only thing I can do to make my life feel worthwhile is spew unsubstantiated vitriol at my perceived enemies. Ahh, life is good!

I wonder if she sent my grandmother all of that USDA cheese. It looked awful.

#124 Bubble Girl

It's ok. Laura is also better looking and intelligent than Koopersmith too!

My family was almost destoyed by Stalin, and then Hitler took a crack, and nearly finished us off. How offensive could she be to compare anyone to BOTH of those people?

Bubble Girl,

How are you today 'Doc'?

This woman is an embarassment to journalism. Plain and simple. I wrote a letter to the editor of the Strib telling the copy editors to triplecheck her work in the future. As a former journalist, I can tell everyone not to hold their breath.

#121 Baldy

I'm 99.9% sure that is Tamara Baker.

However, I must question. Isn't it ironic that the Strib features an Op/Ed from a person they also featured in a separate voter profile?

Baldy -

She looks like a librarian who's been drinking vinegar all day.

Axiom - Yes. That seems dishonest. In a column, she says she's a Federal employee, the profile says:

Voter: Tamara Baker, 40, federal employee, St. Paul.

In the voter profile, she mentions FreeRepublic, and her columns mention it also. I would say it's oneand the same, and the Star-Tribune is being shady. I know of a reporter who was fired, because he used his own kids (without mentioning that fact) in a "kid on the street" review of a movie. It doesn't seem ethically honest.

Nam Grunt

Hey Nam! I am fine... How are you? You going to fish and barbeque this weekend?

Baldy @ 129

Oh nooo, a Molly Ivins Clone... Gack... I cannot stand Molly Ivins... she is one of the most hateful pieces of drek from Texas...

Baldy: Great. As if the original Texan version isn't bad enough, we have to have a Yankee Molly Ivins too,...,

She's just jealous of Laura I. because I highly doubt Tamara will ever get invited to perform fellatio on the Berkeley faculty. Even moonbats have standards.

No surprise she's a govt. employee, but that it's the Dept. of Agriculture is amusing. Hmmm, Tamara, which Presidential candidate was the overwelming choice of rural America,...,?

Notice in the Star Tribune voter profile, of a seemingly random group of voters, they omit the fact she writes for them.

Next, we'll hear she's a lesbian prostitute.

To avoid the need to register --I think this is the S.Trib photo of her?

Though not sure, the person in this photo looks much older than 40.

Tamara Baker ?

[Link: images.google.com...]

If she works for the USDA, then maybe she's just a freelancer - it's possible that she might not have had anything published before the election.

She could be the "sperm sample" nurse in The Right Stuff.

#140 Bubble Girl,

Just check my trot lines around 3am everynight on the Sabine river, caught a 11lb cat last night on it, cleaned it and stuck it in the freezer, other than that I'm just laying low this weekend. Still a little early to go off shore, but it's coming. :-)))

Miss Donna @ 142

She's just jealous of Laura I. because I highly doubt Tamara will ever get invited to perform fellatio on the Berkeley faculty. Even moonbats have standards.

LOL LOL

I agree with you on this one. We do not have to be smutty like Tamara and her ilk... Crude is still not Cool, and never will be...

American Politics Journal: Alexa Rating? "No Data" says it all.

Nam Grunt @ 147

Yum... catfish... fried or blackened with hush puppies... Man, do I miss the Gulf... glad you are close enough to go... I keep my shells and sand dollars in a clear bottle... BTW a guy got bit in half by a 20 ft shark off the West coast of AU today...

Frank IBC - I'm not a big stickler for such things, but I think I saw articles for the paper from before the election. If she were a Republican, and this was a conservative paper, it would be a scandal for the left. Of course, anything is nowadays.

FYI --for the compulsively curious --

In 1998, the Star Tribune became a subsidiary of The McClatchy Company of Sacramento, Calif., a publicly held (NYSE:MNI) company and the eighth largest newspaper chain in the country. The McClatchy Company: [Link: www.mcclatchy.com...]
.
Executive Profiles: [Link: www.startribunecompany.com...]

History of Star Tribune

[Link: www.startribunecompany.com...]

#150 Bubble Girl,

Ouch! bet that hurt, I always jump in the water to cool off when fishing offshore, but lately I refrain from that, I can't explain why, but sharks are getting closer to shore now and they seem to be bigger, freak of nature I guess.

To register for Star Tribune:
Username: bugmenot69
Password: Beranek

Bubble Girl: I have noticed that female moonbats are often very quick to make nasty comments about either the sex lives of women who are conservative or snide cracks about their looks.

They really shouldn't. Judging by the appearance of many female moonbats, they really, really shouldn't go there,...,

If Baker is 40, I'm the Queen of Romania.

(O.K., I'll go drink my bowl of cream now. Meow,...,)

#143 is a reference to the left's obsession with Jeff Gannon.

Another lie for the list of MSM lies of 2005. The MSM cannot fight back on Rathergate, so they invent lies on collateral issues.

Nam Grunt @ 153

Really? Down on Padre Island at Big Shell, it's about 30 miles south of Corpus, the beach is cut out, so there is a deep channel that runs right up to a bank, that falls straight down 10 feet... the shark run up in there, especially in the evening and at dawn... people caught tigers and hammers, whites, and bulls from there off of shark rigs they had mounted on their trucks...

This is why I never went surfing at those times... at any beach... anywhere...

The Horror . . . the horror . . . the horror

tamara

The Strib really knows how to pick their writers, I checked out her website and all I can say is "yikes".

Miss Donna @ 155

LOL LOL

If Baker is 40, I'm the Queen of Romania.

Miss Donna, how ironic is it that moonbatts won't let us kill a plague infested prairie dog but at the same time they can and will say anything to denigrate their "enemy?" They can and do use outright sexually degrading comments, they compare many to a monster, Hitler, with absolutely no shame... Moonbats are shameless...

Regarding the Hitler comparisons, check out VDH and other commentary at Musing Minds here:

[Link: kasobs.blogspot.com...]

myclonic jerk @ 159

AHHH My eyes...

#163 Bubble

You must NOT look directly at the snakes in her hair. Grab a Rosary and meet me at the Portal.

myoclonic jerk @ 164

ohhh, ohhh, am weak, so weak... threw some Holy Water on the screen... okay... better now... see you at the Portal...

#158 Bubble Girl,

Just be careful and respect nature hon.

Nam Grunt @ 166

Thanks Nam... so they still allow running trot lines on the Sabine?

#167 Bubble Girl,

Welll, you caught me, LOL!, let's just say my place is ok, since my friend is a game warden and 'nam Vet as well. "-))

Tamara Baker, the ultimate diplomat, responding to a reader's email in 2001

Notice the tone in the email written to Baker. Then look at Baker's response, which includes this:

Your man LOST. Your man is a crook. Your man is a fraud, a Potemkin-human, propped up by beings smarter and even greedier than he is himself. You are on the side of immorality and evil. Get over it.

OT

Will there be an SNDT? I went to bed last night before I had a chance to insult anyone or make an ass of myself...

Spunkman @ 169

Great post, I like this line from Tamara's response...

You are on the side of immorality and evil. Get over it.

Hmm, on the side of "immortality." How interesting. This is surely delusional thinking on her part. But if she isn't delusional, then how lucky we are... we are "THE IMMORTALS."

Yeah...

Aladin @ 170

Hey Aladin... I have no idea about the SNDT... I am going to go out into the world for a change... LOL LOL so it is up to you and others to carry on...

172 Bubble Girl

You will be missed, but we shall indeavor to comport ourselves with a sense of decorum in your absence.

Tamara crawled out of a well and ...

Oh wait, that was Samara, in The Ring.

Wow, she is a total nutjob. And a bigot. And a bitch.

Lefties think the fact that we want FACTS not OPINIONS is trying to stifle free speech.

Yet, they are the ones that promote PC speech, hate speech laws, "fairness" in broadcasting, and MoveOn.org is the one that wants the FCC to look into FOX. Kerry is the one that says we have "to do something" about media outlets that don't toe the party line.

God I can't stand these hypocrites anymore. AAAUUUGGGHHH!

Thank god we're going to get tough on the appellate court nominees to get some strict constructionists in there, to stop the control of free speech the lefties are trying to achieve.

 
#173

Aladin Sane  3/19/2005 01:59PM PST
172 Bubble Girl

You will be missed, but we shall indeavor to comport ourselves with a sense of decorum in your absence.

Thanks Aladin... Decorum, Supreme Insight and Wit...

176 Bubble Girl

Thanks Aladin... Decorum, Supreme Insight and Wit...

Can't vouch for witless, without you, but it'll damn sure be decorous!

LOL

For anyone that lives in Minnesota, write to the Strib's advertisers, not the editors. The editors don't care: they hate you.

If one more big advertiser pulls out like a few months ago, we might see some change for increased responsibility and truth at the Strib.

[Link: americandigest.org...]

PIMF

BG

can't vouch for Wit without you!

Sheesh, it's only my first glass of wine.

Hitler and Stalin, eh? What, no Pol Pot and Mao for good measure?

#129, Baldy

Tamara Baker is **40**? She looks like a 70ish woman who works in a school cafeteria.

Not that there's anything wrong with working in a cafeteria.

#155 It's Miss Donna V. to you

You are correct about female moonbats. For example the Wonkette is incapable of posting without some snarky sexual reference to Republicans.

Powerline has a great posting about teh Democrats being in "A Permanent Opposition" with Kerry-Edwards lawn signs still up, etc.

What an asshole:

"Its posters and readers are known for things such as cheering the death of peace activist Rachel Corrie and making bigoted comments about female Muslim tsunami victims."

Peace activist? What a bloody damned liar! Pancake Corrie was a exterminationist, fascist bitch who died defending an arms smuggling network. We never cheered her death, merely that she asked for it by diving in front of an armored bulldozer.

And who said anything about female Muslim tsunami victims? (Although I can't imagine them knowing how to swim very well.)

Typical leftist crap. (And yeah, I'm still a Democrat! Worse -- I'm a journalist and former labor organizer, like David Ben Gurion! Care to make something of it?)

Graphic from Baker's Website

What? George Stephanopoulos is one of those evil conservatives?

By the way, did anyone make fun of female tsunami victims?

I don't think it is disrespecting the dead to note that the society in which they were raised required that they walk around in clothing that would absorb a ton of water and prevent them from swimming.

And would never allow them to learn to swim.

That's making fun of them? No, that's saying that they would have been better off Buddhist or anything else.

The Horror . . . the horror . . . the horror

Hm. She's as ugly as her soul.

Would she be any better if she looked like a goddess? Probably not, though I'm sure some people would think she was a nice person... until she spoke or until they read her rantings.

She believes in abortion, too bad her mom didn't.

Hmmm. I didn't have to register. Not to read it and not to send this comment:

Is the air a little thin in St. Paul these days? Wherever did Tamara Baker get the idea that "'Little Green Footballs,' a right-wing blog whose founder, Charles Johnson, claims that he and not John Hinderaker's PowerLineBlog was the first to lead the charge against Dan Rather last fall."?

Had Ms. Baker bothered to review the entries at LGF on the day in question, she would have noted that Charles Johnson specifically and unambiguously credited PowerLine with having broken the Rathergate story. See especially the following two posts:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
("...as Power Line points out this morning, the documents (which can be found in PDF form at CBS News) are highly questionable.")

and

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
("Our first post about this, shortly after Power Line’s post, was at 8:30 am Pacific. By 8:30 pm Pacific, an investigation is underway at CBS.")

Of course in light of the absurdity of Baker's "analysis" in this piece (and everywhere else, actually), it's hardly surprising that she would stoop to outright fabrication to support it. She has nothing else.

Ms. Baker and the Star Tribune both owe Mr. Johnson, and your readers, a public apology.

Let's not hold our breath.

Tamara looks like the love child of Al Franken and Penn Jillette.

Apologies to Penn Jillette.

Tamara Schmara is a radical left-winger. Check out this sentence from the article:

"...While PowerLine tries to sound calmly professional, the Little Green Footballs blog is much more vicious in its conservatism. Its posters and readers are known for things such as cheering the death of peace activist Rachel Corrie and making bigoted comments about female Muslim tsunami victims..."

How can you be "viciously conservative". Isn't that a classic oxymoron from this MORON?

Ignore her, Charles! She has an agenda and she's "on mission" and "on message" so she's braindead.

Get a load of this line from the credits at the bottom of her site:

Data development by Gaudette & Associates.

b>Data Development? What's wrong with the plain truth?

Since the Nazi metaphores aren't working, the LLLs are trying a new tack...

"We are, in short, fighting Pol Pot on our own soil.", this was in reference to our president.

Oh, I get that fishwrap every morning. Gotta know what the enemy's planing, after all. Note that they charge 50 cents for their left-wing preachings, while the St. Paul paper only charges 25 cents and has a more balanced editorial section. And that the Red Star has finally found a new Reader's Representative (the former one was reassigned to being a part-time religious reporter and is (or was) suing for age discrimination.)

Charles,

I know Tamara Faye Baker up close and afar and yes she and her husband can really go El Cubo at times. She was a writer for Absolute Sound stereounkie magazine for years as a reviewer and a grad. I believe of the Univ. of Minnesota.

They also alienate every friendship around them that is not of their Stalinist political persuasion.

She is also a Federal Bureaucrat with last time I had heard at the Department of Agriculture with her husband at Social Security Administration.

They need a good fisking like Chutch at UC...